The Charlie Kirk Show - January 18, 2023


They Are Out To Get You... But Who Is 'They?' with James Lindsay and Michael O'Fallon


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An incredibly insightful and helpful hour with James Lindsay and Michael O'Fallon. We talk about Yuval Harari, the World Economic Forum, and Davos. Who are these people and what are they actually trying to achieve?

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, it's Nana Charlie Kirk show an incredibly insightful and I believe helpful hour with James Lindsay and Michael O'Fallon.
00:00:07.000 We talk about Yuval Harari.
00:00:09.000 We ask the question of what do they actually want, the World Economic Forum?
00:00:13.000 Who is they?
00:00:15.000 We talk about many different aspects with Davos.
00:00:17.000 I encourage you to listen to this and take notes.
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00:01:43.000 Two extraordinarily smart people and clear thinkers.
00:01:47.000 First, we have Michael O'Fallon, who is a frequent guest now on our program from Sovereign Nations.
00:01:54.000 And then James Lindsay from New Discourses, also the author of a fabulous book, Race Marxism, and also a new book on education that I can't remember the title of, but he'll tell it to you, I'm sure, in a second.
00:02:03.000 James Lindsay and Michael O'Fallon, welcome back to the program.
00:02:06.000 Good to be here, Charlie.
00:02:07.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:02:08.000 So we're going to talk about the World Economic Forum and Davos all throughout this hour.
00:02:12.000 Michael, I think it would be helpful for you to kind of walk our audience through what is the World Economic Forum.
00:02:17.000 You have participated in these type of globalist gatherings.
00:02:21.000 You've had a kind of a first, first-hand, let's just say, experience.
00:02:27.000 Who are they?
00:02:27.000 What are they trying to achieve?
00:02:29.000 What are their motives?
00:02:31.000 Well, back in the 1960s and early 1970s, you had this push to try to start a revolution.
00:02:37.000 When it wasn't able to be sparked, you had folks such as Rudy Deutschke and others that looked back to Gramsci and as well, Herbert Marcusa, that basically said, what you really need to have is a long march through the institutions.
00:02:49.000 If you're going to have a communist revolution, if you're going to have a neo-communist revolution that we're experiencing today or a neo-communo-fascist, environment-fascist revolution, you're going to want to have a whole of participation of all society.
00:03:03.000 There cannot be one organization or pillar that does not participate in the revolution.
00:03:08.000 So you need to make sure that you're integrating yourself within corporations.
00:03:11.000 You have to integrate yourself within governments.
00:03:13.000 You have to integrate yourself within faith.
00:03:15.000 You have to integrate yourself within culture and the media and so forth to ensure that you have a pathway to be able to infuse the rest of the world really with the critical concepts that you have that mean that you need to destruct what was out with the old culture and in with a new culture as you transform our world and Western civilization into the vision that you have for the future, which is a vision without family.
00:03:42.000 It's a vision without profit, without really capitalism as we know it.
00:03:47.000 It's a vision where everything within society is controlled, a technocratic revolution.
00:03:52.000 And as well, it's a revolution to where you have each and every thought captive, if you will.
00:03:59.000 I mean, back in the Bible, we say every thought captive, but everything that we know, everything that we see, there is no privacy that it is understood by some central authority.
00:04:08.000 And once again, that that authority can be managed.
00:04:10.000 So if you're looking to have a, was a very successful society, a wonderful civilization that was being built, where people were able to really pursue their dreams, no matter what their dreams may be.
00:04:23.000 What you do is you truncate those dreams and you say, no, we know better for you and all of society for the common good.
00:04:29.000 And so what you start to turn to are plans and visions that will bring you to a point where you have a central control authority that's saying, you know, we need to have a managed economy to get rid of booms and bust cycles.
00:04:41.000 We need to have a managed faith that gets rid of radicalism, that really has a common cause for all of society.
00:04:48.000 We need to make sure that everybody has the same mind and the same thing to get rid of war. 0.84
00:04:52.000 We need to be in the minds of men.
00:04:54.000 That's really what you see happening in the culmination of what's happening in Doc.
00:04:58.000 Very quickly, Michael, then I'm going to get to James.
00:04:59.000 Who is they?
00:05:00.000 Who are these people?
00:05:02.000 Well, you think you'd take a look at a number of folks.
00:05:04.000 You would look at Klaus Schwab.
00:05:05.000 Klaus Schwab is the one that famously brought forth the concept of stakeholder capitalism, which is not capitalism at all.
00:05:12.000 It's neocommunism.
00:05:13.000 And what it's saying is that all these wonderful things that capitalism has built up, corporations, travel, all these things where people are making money for themselves and for their family.
00:05:23.000 What you want to do with that is you want to harness that energy and you want to make those things purpose driven for the sake of sustaining the future of transhumanism and as well transforming us into the vision of a neocommunist fascist society.
00:05:39.000 James, you have done, I think, the most work of any person on the planet understanding the philosophy and the history behind these ideas.
00:05:50.000 I'm just going to let you riff here.
00:05:52.000 The floor is yours.
00:05:54.000 All right.
00:05:55.000 Well, let's see what we can do.
00:05:57.000 I'll just add a little bit to what Michael said to start off.
00:05:59.000 The World Economic Forum is a club is what it really boils down to.
00:06:04.000 It's a who's who, elbow rubbing, networking up club where elites in industry realize that they could rub elbows with elites in politics, global governance, and they can create plans and partnerships and commitments to one another to be able to do this thing.
00:06:21.000 So to participate in the networking club, you have to participate by the networking club's rules.
00:06:25.000 And so what it is, is it's the strategic arm of this long march revolution that Michael was talking about to get the corporations on board and to get the corporations in partnership with governance and to get governance in partnership with other governors or governments so that these governments become something more and more like a one world government.
00:06:46.000 That's probably being facilitated by the now explicit partnership between the World Economic Forum and the United Nations.
00:06:53.000 But the goal is to, if you read their documents, as you should, they're pushing now more and more toward what they're calling global citizenship model.
00:07:02.000 And they're telling you that to be a global citizen means that you're satisfying and working to achieve the sustainable development goals, the SDGs of the United Nations Agenda 2030.
00:07:14.000 So sustainable becomes kind of the watchword of neocommunism.
00:07:18.000 It is the magic term.
00:07:19.000 It is the tyranny of the 21st century.
00:07:22.000 And really, if we are a little bit creative with how we understand how they use language, we understand that sustainable means sustainable agenda for them, sustainable power for them.
00:07:34.000 And so everything that Michael said explains what's happening.
00:07:37.000 But when he brought up Herbert Marcuse, for example, in the 1960s, this is where people get lost.
00:07:41.000 People understand the idea now generally of communism, and they know that it hates corporations.
00:07:47.000 And so then they see the banks and the corporations participating in this thing and they say, well, it can't be communism.
00:07:52.000 What they don't understand are the developments from Herbert Marcuse in the United States, and who's a member of the Frankfurt School of the critical Marxist movement in the 1950s and 60s and 70s.
00:08:03.000 And they don't understand the developments in Deng Xiaoping, who is the Chinese leader that took over in the wake of Mao Zedong.
00:08:11.000 Deng Xiaoping very famously said, I don't care if the cat is black or white as long as it catches mice.
00:08:17.000 So he doesn't care how the society is going to be organized.
00:08:20.000 Is it going to be purely communist?
00:08:22.000 Is it going to be purely capitalist?
00:08:24.000 It doesn't matter as long as it produces and maintains a system of control.
00:08:28.000 That's what he means.
00:08:29.000 Herbert Marcuse said, well, capitalism, advanced capitalism in the West, gave people a better life.
00:08:34.000 They're stable.
00:08:35.000 They're conservative.
00:08:36.000 They're counter-revolutionary.
00:08:37.000 They will never submit to a Marxist revolution.
00:08:41.000 So let's march into the institutions.
00:08:43.000 He said, we have to go in and counter-revolution and revolt.
00:08:45.000 He said, we have to go into the institutions.
00:08:47.000 We have to go in and do the job.
00:08:49.000 We become computer programmers and program computers, but we bring our ideology with us.
00:08:53.000 We bring our Marxism with us and infect those institutions from within by changing the policy, by changing the culture within to create that Gramscian counter-hegemony that will cause the institution to serve the neocommunist agenda. 0.91
00:09:07.000 Neocommunism accepts capitalism as a means to its end, which seems a little strange, but capitalism is a misnomer.
00:09:15.000 What they're actually after are property rights.
00:09:18.000 They want nobody to have property rights.
00:09:20.000 You will own nothing.
00:09:21.000 You will be happy.
00:09:22.000 Everything you have, you will rent and it will be delivered by drone, just like the World Economic Forum told us in 2016.
00:09:29.000 They've had other meetings where they explained, well, it doesn't make sense.
00:09:33.000 You don't want the product, they tell us.
00:09:36.000 You want the benefit of the product.
00:09:37.000 So why don't we keep the product and we'll lease you the product so you can obtain what you actually want, which is the benefit of the product in a more sustainable model.
00:09:46.000 We don't have to produce as much.
00:09:47.000 We won't waste as much.
00:09:48.000 We'll have a circular economy where we consume our waste like a snake eating its own tail.
00:09:53.000 These are the models that they're actually putting forth for this future.
00:09:57.000 And it will be managed by, as Michael said, the stakeholders who are the experts who understand climate change and climate action and inclusion and sustainability and diversity and equity better than you, better than everybody.
00:10:10.000 And what they have to do is just take away your property rights, including the right to your own body, as we learned through the pandemic.
00:10:16.000 They're going to take away your property rights in order to manage your life better for you and for everybody.
00:10:23.000 That is just the surface.
00:10:24.000 And that's really well put, James.
00:10:26.000 What you just said there is so interesting.
00:10:28.000 Private property is what they're after.
00:10:30.000 And I've been saying for many years, and it just doesn't seem to resonate with audiences because it sounds a little too abstract.
00:10:36.000 You cannot have liberty without private property rights.
00:10:38.000 It's impossible.
00:10:39.000 They are tied together.
00:10:41.000 If you are not able to defend what you own, the fruits of your labor, your consciousness, your time, your energy, you do not have liberty, period.
00:10:49.000 And boy, has that been a focus of theirs.
00:10:51.000 And I believe it is a focus.
00:10:53.000 That is why they're so focused on environmentalism.
00:10:55.000 Environmentalism is a means to the end to be able to obliterate private property rights.
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00:12:05.000 James, continue on that.
00:12:06.000 Why is private property so critical to freedom or liberty?
00:12:10.000 And what are they trying to achieve by abolishing private property rights?
00:12:15.000 Yeah, I'm really glad you brought that up, Charlie, because this is the essence of America.
00:12:19.000 This really has to be understood.
00:12:21.000 This is the essence of America.
00:12:22.000 Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence that we have inalienable rights granted by our creator, among them life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
00:12:30.000 Where did he come up with this strange phrase, pursuit of happiness?
00:12:33.000 Well, if you go back and read John Locke, who he was very familiar with, one of the great liberal thinkers who didn't get everything right, got some issues with that blank slate for sure.
00:12:41.000 Tabala.
00:12:41.000 We go back and read the tabula rasa, not so good.
00:12:44.000 But we go back and we read, what did Locke say?
00:12:47.000 He said that it's actually life, liberty, and property that have to be secured to secure liberty.
00:12:52.000 And property allows for the pursuit of happiness.
00:12:55.000 So that's the origin of that peculiar phrase in the Declaration of Independence at the heart of the American experiment.
00:13:01.000 And what John Locke realized is that if they can deprive you of your life, or they can deprive you of your liberty, so if they can kill you or jail you, or they can deprive you of your property so you can't house yourself, feed yourself, clothe yourself, take care of yourself, then they can control how you think, how you believe, how you worship, whatever they want, actually.
00:13:20.000 And so those three rights must be inalienable to a free people for those people to stay free.
00:13:26.000 And we don't have this new neo-communist agenda is compared with, say, the Bolsheviks in Russia or the communists under Mao is a little bit passive aggressive.
00:13:38.000 It's not coming out and attempting to show power flowing from the barrel of a gun.
00:13:43.000 It's not eagerly, it is locking up some people like the J6 attendees, but it's not going and depriving lots of people of their liberty.
00:13:50.000 What it is doing is very subtly removing and subverting their right to private property, their rights to property at all, so that they can force you to opt into your own tyranny rather than be forced into it in kind of old, cruder methods.
00:14:05.000 The passive aggressive way of describing it is so correct. 0.85
00:14:09.000 Opt into your own tyranny.
00:14:10.000 It's brilliant.
00:14:11.000 Michael, why does private property matter so much?
00:14:14.000 And it seems as if it's the central point of all of this.
00:14:18.000 This is why they want to have carbon emission standards, 15-minute cities.
00:14:23.000 Walk us through your take on the moral necessity of private property.
00:14:27.000 Well, there's a number of things.
00:14:28.000 We talk about private property, and James is correct.
00:14:31.000 As soon as you remove the aspect of personal possession or personal ownership of something, is that then they can have control because they are the ones that then can decide whether you need something or not.
00:14:43.000 Do you need that three-bedroom house with two bathrooms and an acre worth of land?
00:14:49.000 Or really is all that you really need, from our understanding, for the greater common good, is a room with a bed and a bathroom.
00:14:57.000 That's all you really need.
00:14:58.000 And we can have a common place that you can eat and we will provide the food for you.
00:15:02.000 So what you end up doing is ceding control.
00:15:05.000 I think the other aspect of this as well is generational wealth.
00:15:08.000 So if you're going to break the stream of generational wealth or familial wealth, what you would be handing down to your descendants is that if all of a sudden you're taking away private property, what is it that one generation is going to hand down to the other?
00:15:22.000 All of a sudden, that's going to disappear if that becomes communal.
00:15:25.000 And that's exactly what happened in China, is that in China, there is no ownership of property.
00:15:31.000 There are long-term leases, but that's not something that then I'm going to then hand down to the next generations and to my progeny.
00:15:38.000 So what you're doing is really breaking a cycle, not only with capitalism and the concept of liberty that James was referring to, but you're also beginning to destroy family.
00:15:49.000 And it also breaks what is a, which is one of the great advances of Western society, which is a preference on delayed gratification, which is if you, if there's nothing, if there's no reason to pass it down, why sacrifice today?
00:16:02.000 Just indulge.
00:16:04.000 And this idea of patience and of generational improvement is why one of the, not the only reason, but one of the main reasons why the West has been just an incredible success up until recently.
00:16:16.000 Your thoughts on this idea of delayed gratification?
00:16:19.000 Well, actually, I want to talk about how they're subverting your property rights.
00:16:23.000 If you own a car and they can turn it off remotely, they tell you you can only drive 15 minutes from your house 100 days a year and you violate that, they turn your car off.
00:16:32.000 We laughed when the Russians stole all those tractors from the Ukrainians and they disabled them remotely. 0.97
00:16:37.000 That's horrifying.
00:16:38.000 We saw it in the Canadian protests and it was horrifying.
00:16:40.000 You have your money.
00:16:41.000 You can spend your money on whatever you want, right?
00:16:43.000 No, not if it's a digital currency that they turn into coupons and vouchers.
00:16:47.000 What they're going to do is allow you to pretend you have your property when they retain the ownership and thus the control over it.
00:16:52.000 And they will control how you can use it, when you can use it, where you can use it.
00:16:56.000 So in fact, you appear or feel like you have property rights, but you don't.
00:17:00.000 You have a megaphone.
00:17:01.000 You have a Twitter account or whatever.
00:17:03.000 Yeah, get on YouTube.
00:17:04.000 But if you don't follow all of our community guidelines, we'll silence you.
00:17:07.000 They give you the illusion of property that they actually own and control.
00:17:11.000 And you opt in in order to be able to play because it's convenient.
00:17:15.000 It's a mirage.
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00:18:21.000 So, James, I'll start with you.
00:18:24.000 The World Economic Forum Elite, let's say John Kerry, does he believe he is doing good or is he sociopathic?
00:18:32.000 Like, I'm doing evil. 0.79
00:18:33.000 I want to tear the world apart.
00:18:34.000 I'm asking for a reason, but our audience largely said, no, no, these people think they're doing evil and they acknowledge it.
00:18:40.000 I don't know if I agree.
00:18:41.000 I think they've convinced themselves that what they are doing is the right, the righteous thing.
00:18:47.000 Your thoughts, James?
00:18:48.000 I want to know how weird I can get with this because if we accept the premise that these folks are Gnostic cultists, which I think is a necessary condition to understand in what they do.
00:18:59.000 Yes.
00:18:59.000 If we accept the proposition that these folks believe that they have secret hidden knowledge about how the world really works, what it's supposed to be, that in some sense, kind of if we talk about it in a religious sense, that they've seen an image of the mind of God and that they have a bigger plan for everybody, then the answer to your question is yes.
00:19:18.000 They are both evil and think they're doing good at the same time.
00:19:22.000 And they think they're doing good, but are knowingly doing evil because in that faith, the Gnostics have a different set of rules than everybody. 0.95
00:19:30.000 They know the mind of God and you don't.
00:19:32.000 And so they get to behave how they will, and they deserve to profit off of it, which is where we start to see the kind of evil aspects.
00:19:39.000 As a matter of fact, in the corpus hermeticum, they explain that people who have the nose, the mind or the gnosis, get to do evil while escaping the effects of evil because they have a greater understanding.
00:19:51.000 We call that understanding usually the greater good.
00:19:53.000 If they're working for the greater good, they can do things that are harmful in the moment because they know the deeper, more important thing down the road.
00:20:00.000 And they also deserve to profit off of it, even if it's exploitative, because they're the ones who understand and all of us plebs do not understand and need to be managed for our own good.
00:20:10.000 I not only think this explains all of their theory that they've written for hundreds of years, but I also think it singularly explains their behavior, their attitude, the way they talk to us, the way they tell us they need stakeholders to manage us for us.
00:20:25.000 We're not the stakeholders, even though we have a stake in their decisions.
00:20:28.000 We don't get to vote.
00:20:29.000 We don't have a say.
00:20:30.000 They have to have experts that they hand-select.
00:20:32.000 Well, those are people with the gnosis or with the nose, with the mind.
00:20:36.000 They've seen the light and they get to behave and act differently.
00:20:39.000 So the answer is they think they're doing good, but they get to be evil in the process and they're justified in doing so and deserve to be paid for it.
00:20:48.000 Michael, I want to get your reaction to this clip here.
00:20:51.000 I believe this all comes back down to Genesis 1 through 11.
00:20:54.000 And James and I have talked about this in great detail, which is they want to eliminate distinctions, especially the distinction of God and man.
00:21:02.000 This is not some sort of theory.
00:21:04.000 It's not some sort of, we don't have to go on some archaeological hunt to figure it out.
00:21:07.000 No, this is Yaval Harari, senior advisor to Klaus Schwab, saying, we need to turn humans into God.
00:21:15.000 Play 19.
00:21:16.000 The next big projects of humankind will be to overcome old age and death, to find the keys, the secret to happiness, and to basically upgrade humans into gods.
00:21:32.000 And I don't mean it as a kind of literary metaphor.
00:21:36.000 I mean it in the literal sense.
00:21:40.000 Michael, the literal sense that we can become gods.
00:21:45.000 Well, you think about this from the Christian perspective: is that in Christianity, we understand that we have God who is not made, who has made all things.
00:21:55.000 And then, in terms of our relationship with the Lord Himself, is that He has made the sacrifice.
00:22:02.000 And by having faith in that sacrifice that He made for us and the provision that it makes for us, is that then He indwells us.
00:22:09.000 It is His imputation of His Holy Spirit that's within us that then gives us life and allows us to live life in the way that we should.
00:22:17.000 What they're believing is they're actually turning this around.
00:22:19.000 So saying, No, we, man, are going to build God, and then we will build God in such a way, as you're referring to Genesis 1 through 11, is that we ourselves are going to participate in the building of an omnipotent, omnipresent, sovereign being who knows all things, who can think all things, that can think a million times faster than a human being.
00:22:41.000 He knows when you've been naughty, he knows when you've been wake, so you better be good for goodness sake.
00:22:45.000 And then, along with that, the transitioning of us humans, and that's what a lot of this is about.
00:22:49.000 It's not just an economic model, but it is the transforming of human beings into the next stage of evolution, transhumanism, basically a merging of us with that artificial intelligence that is the building of God Himself.
00:23:06.000 James, if I might, I'll just do something a little strange.
00:23:10.000 I want to read a short passage from a Hermetic religious script or scripture called the Poimandres, which is the first book of the Corpus Hermeticum.
00:23:18.000 This is just kind of cutting in here.
00:23:19.000 It says, Then, in due order, they ascend to the Father and they surrender themselves to the powers, and becoming the powers, they are merged in God.
00:23:29.000 This is the end, the supreme good for those who have had the higher knowledge to become God.
00:23:36.000 Well, then, why do you delay?
00:23:37.000 Should you not, having received all, become the guide to those who are worthy so that humans, so that the human race may be saved by God through you.
00:23:48.000 That's their religious scripture.
00:23:50.000 And when I hear John Kerry talk, or I hear Yuval Noah Harari talk, and we just saw, I hear that now.
00:23:57.000 Once I've read the scripture and imbibed it and understood it and understand where this mindset comes from and goes, that's what I see.
00:24:04.000 And I do believe that it is the attempt to elevate us out of this pathetic human coil and move into an ethereal digital kind of metaverse universe that eventually we become one internet of uploaded consciousnesses that's kind of astral in its projection.
00:24:18.000 And then we can have a full phenomenology of spirit and return to spirit and God.
00:24:24.000 And I actually looked through an arc of history.
00:24:26.000 I've invoked Hegel.
00:24:28.000 I've invoked the Corpus Hermeticum, which predates Plato, to kind of make this statement that says, this is what Yuval Noah Harari was talking about.
00:24:35.000 This is what Michael is describing.
00:24:36.000 And this is the project that the World Economic Forum has undertaken.
00:24:40.000 And that's why it's so important to understand where they think they're taking us.
00:24:43.000 I mean, and James, I've done a serious amount of reflecting, meditating, and researching since our conversation that we had at AmericaFest just about a month ago, where you introduced, and we spent about an hour and we really dialed this in.
00:24:55.000 So if anyone's interested, they should just check out that podcast.
00:24:58.000 That was really deep.
00:24:59.000 And you explained what is hermeticism.
00:25:01.000 You explained what is Gnosticism.
00:25:03.000 And it made sense, but it also, I thought to myself, so here are the world's most powerful people that are vesting their end game in wizardry.
00:25:14.000 Is that fair to say, James?
00:25:16.000 I think that's the only way to understand what's happening, that they're casting the world.
00:25:20.000 They wish to see like a spell upon us and getting us to agree to it until we're trapped in it.
00:25:25.000 I think that's the only way to understand what's actually happening.
00:25:29.000 And if you don't, it's like you have the ocean and you're playing around in the reflections on the surface.
00:25:34.000 You talk about their theories, the details of CRT, the details of queer theory, the details of Marxism.
00:25:39.000 You talk about it as an economic or political theory or a social theory, and you're dabbling around on the surface of a deep, deep ocean with deep rip currents that are going to drag us under and kill us.
00:25:51.000 In a very, and I said this on the podcast, and I've said it since, and I had some very angry emails from some pastors and some very good emails from some pastors.
00:25:58.000 That's how I know I'm saying something that is probably true, where I said, it is more dangerous.
00:26:05.000 I'm okay.
00:26:06.000 I'm more okay with somebody who says they don't believe in God than somebody who thinks they are God.
00:26:12.000 And in a strange way, James, you know, you're agnostic and you do appreciate the Bible and you're very honest about your metaphysical beliefs, but there's actually an opportunity for those of us, Michael, you're a Christian and I'm a Christian.
00:26:24.000 And James, at the very least, we aren't hermeticists and we aren't Gnostics and we can unify to destroy this ideology.
00:26:33.000 Michael, your thoughts?
00:26:35.000 Well, I think, first of all, it's rather jihadic in the way that they're doing this.
00:26:39.000 And so what you see as well is to see the transformation of men who have been trusted with their faith.
00:26:45.000 I'm not just talking about within Christianity.
00:26:47.000 I'm talking about within Islam.
00:26:49.000 We're talking about within the Baha'i Faith.
00:26:51.000 You're talking about within various other forms of faith that have all basically bowed their knee for the cause and purposes of forwarding this.
00:27:01.000 Now, whenever they're confronted with their forwarding of intersectionality, critical race theory, all the different tools or means to achieve what James has been talking about, they always deny and say, oh, no, we're not doing that.
00:27:12.000 And so forth.
00:27:13.000 The same thing like when you confront people in education.
00:27:15.000 But the fact is, is that people have been lying to you for decades as they've been introducing these ideas that are ecumenical in nature because the ecumenism really is centered upon critical social justice, a way of thinking that we're going to free the world or better the world, as opposed to bringing the gospel, let's say, from our content.
00:27:35.000 I want to play another piece of tape here, and one of you guys can help me understand this.
00:27:38.000 This is one, and I know the Bible teaching really well, but I'm not exactly sure what he means by this.
00:27:45.000 So I'm going to need some sort of a translator.
00:27:48.000 Play Cut 18, Yoval Harari saying that scientists will build a Noah's Ark for the elite, leaving the rest to drown.
00:27:55.000 I think I know what this means, and it would be democide.
00:27:58.000 Play Cut 18.
00:28:00.000 It pushes things in its own interests, even if it doesn't benefit the vast majority of the population.
00:28:08.000 This has happened so many times previously in history, and it's probably going to happen again.
00:28:17.000 One of the biggest dangers to the planet today is this technological utopia, because probably for the elite, it will work.
00:28:28.000 If bad comes to worst, then when the flood comes, the scientists will build a North Ark for the elite, leaving the rest to drown, the rest of the people and then the rest of the ecosystem.
00:28:42.000 But they are likely to be able to construct this technological North Ark, which is probably what much of the elite is counting on.
00:28:50.000 James, what is he talking about here?
00:28:52.000 I mean, it sounds very much like what we were just discussing, but it also sounds very much like he thinks that these poly crisis or multi-crisis or whatever the heck they're calling it now is going to destroy the whole world.
00:29:03.000 And the people who deserve to will be given an out.
00:29:08.000 They will be placed in a higher echelon of people and everyone else will suffer the wailing, the gnashing of teeth, or the drowning, depending on what the nature of the disaster is.
00:29:17.000 So it sounds very much like there are going to be a select group, a chosen and an elect, who get to progress on to the next phase of humanity and the rest of us not so good.
00:29:29.000 And of course, there's not a person on earth who thinks something like that who doesn't think that they are in that elite or elect group.
00:29:38.000 Michael, 30 seconds, what's your reaction to the new Noah's Ark?
00:29:42.000 Basically, is he saying a flood is coming, aka mass extinction?
00:29:46.000 Well, I'd agree with what James said.
00:29:48.000 This is referring to the polycrisis where crises are becoming normative, where you're starting to have preparation for people and doing public service announcements about what happens after a nuclear blast and so forth in New York City.
00:29:59.000 But as well, this idea, and this is what was introduced to me 12, 14 years ago, is that there's a change coming and there's nothing you can do to stop it.
00:30:07.000 If you come on board with us and help us, things will be good for you.
00:30:10.000 But if you oppose us, things will not go well for you.
00:30:14.000 Carrot or stick.
00:30:15.000 They capture you with the lie of inevitability.
00:30:20.000 There's so much inertia here.
00:30:22.000 You better get on the train, not on the train tracks.
00:30:24.000 And it's very persuasive.
00:30:25.000 It's incredibly persuasive.
00:30:29.000 James, how do we win?
00:30:31.000 One of the first things we have to understand is that there are big picture things to do and small picture things to do.
00:30:36.000 Small picture, you've got to figure out what's going on in your community, your family, the things that they want to target, and you need to nourish those.
00:30:42.000 You need to work in local government.
00:30:43.000 You need to get to know your reps.
00:30:46.000 You need to pressure your reps to do some of the bigger stuff.
00:30:49.000 But you've got to nourish that family.
00:30:50.000 You've got to protect your family.
00:30:51.000 You've got to build your neighborhood.
00:30:53.000 You've got to build your community.
00:30:54.000 You've got to take care of the local stuff.
00:30:56.000 And that stuff within everybody's reach.
00:30:57.000 But this big stuff can't be ignored.
00:30:59.000 And people get freaked out and they get nervous and they say, what can I do about that?
00:31:03.000 It's so big.
00:31:03.000 It's so huge.
00:31:04.000 They have so much money.
00:31:05.000 They're so remote.
00:31:06.000 Where is Davos on a map?
00:31:07.000 I don't even know.
00:31:08.000 And they don't realize that those people, this agenda depends so much on our buy-in, so much on our trust that if we spread distrust of them, which they are already feeling, they're already feeling 5,000 Swiss guards guarding the Davos meeting this year.
00:31:24.000 I've seen journalists.
00:31:25.000 I've spoken with people I know on the ground there.
00:31:26.000 Everybody's jumpy.
00:31:27.000 Everybody's tense.
00:31:29.000 They know nobody trusts them.
00:31:31.000 And if we don't trust them, just like with the vaccine, like Steve Bannon said at AmericaFest, 50 million Americans said no.
00:31:38.000 We won't repeat what exactly he said, said no.
00:31:41.000 And that threw a wrench in their works.
00:31:43.000 Well, if they roll out the next thing and 50 or 100 million Americans say no, because they know what it looks like and they know what it is, it disrupts their plans.
00:31:52.000 It wastes billions of their dollars.
00:31:54.000 These things have rolled out over years.
00:31:55.000 You waste lots of their time.
00:31:58.000 It actually works, but you have to tell people, expose this thing, inform people, and get them not to trust these large entities and not to downplay the importance of the agenda that they're trying to force on us.
00:32:09.000 Early disobedience is critical.
00:32:12.000 Early, early, early.
00:32:14.000 I mean, we look at every major totalitarian regime.
00:32:17.000 The regrets of the imprisoned, the regrets of the obliterated is always, I wish I would have done something earlier.
00:32:23.000 And the interesting thing is early intervention actually can be minimal.
00:32:27.000 It could be like, yeah, I'm not taking a shot.
00:32:29.000 It doesn't have to be as, you know, as overwhelming as I have to now go stop trains going to gulags.
00:32:35.000 Michael, how do we win?
00:32:37.000 Expose, defend, and defenistrate.
00:32:39.000 So first of all, expose what's happening.
00:32:41.000 Bring it to light, whether it be things that are actually happening at the World Economic Forum or within our own government, what's actually happening.
00:32:49.000 I think James has done a wonderful job in exposing a lot of these things, but his secret power is that he reads what they write.
00:32:57.000 He listens to what they say and then exposes it.
00:33:00.000 And so so many people are more caught up in what the stats were last night for their fantasy football team than what's actually happening that's disrupting and dismantling their world.
00:33:08.000 So that's exposing.
00:33:10.000 Defend.
00:33:10.000 You need to defend the system of the United States of America.
00:33:13.000 Defend our Constitution.
00:33:14.000 Defend our liberties.
00:33:16.000 Defend what we have and make sure that it's here for the next generation. 0.99
00:33:19.000 The last thing is defenistrate is that we need to take seriously those people that have been in charge in the corporate world, in the political world, and as well within the world of faith.
00:33:30.000 Those people need to be removed from their offices. 0.99
00:33:33.000 They've already shown that they were not responsible enough to take care of them.
00:33:36.000 They've been participating in this.
00:33:37.000 We even have Republicans that are at the World Economic Forum praising open borders and so forth as of this morning.
00:33:44.000 So you need to expose, defend, and defenestrate.
00:33:47.000 And that's really the only way that we get through this.
00:33:50.000 James, final thought, local matters, make sure your family's in order.
00:33:53.000 Learn, strengthen yourself.
00:33:55.000 Strong people are able to resist desperate regimes.
00:33:59.000 30 seconds.
00:34:01.000 The most important thing Michael just said with all of the important things that have been said is the defenestrate part.
00:34:06.000 I smiled when he said it.
00:34:07.000 I love that word.
00:34:08.000 We do have to remove people from power who have misused their power, who have abused their power, who have demonstrated that they won't be responsible.
00:34:15.000 You and I talked at AmericaFest about the parable of the talents.
00:34:19.000 Well, they're the guy with the one bag of gold who buried it in the ground.
00:34:22.000 Actually, they went and wasted it and came back and said, oh, Master, I've got nothing.
00:34:25.000 And so this is the character that the master says, throw him out.
00:34:30.000 Take his money and give it to somebody else. 0.93
00:34:32.000 Leave him outside.
00:34:33.000 These people must be removed from the power they've abused.
00:34:35.000 And if you want to appeal to the gospel, the gospel says so.
00:34:38.000 It's right there in Matthew.
00:34:39.000 Yeah, amen.
00:34:40.000 Also says it in Acts that we'll obey God, not men. 0.75
00:34:42.000 God bless you both.
00:34:43.000 James, phenomenal work.
00:34:44.000 Michael, I wish we could have more time, but this will impact and touch our audience in a very significant way.
00:34:49.000 It already has.
00:34:50.000 Thank you both.
00:34:51.000 Thank you.
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00:35:00.000 We'll see you guys tomorrow.
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