The Charlie Kirk Show - They Hate You Because You’re Telling the Truth — My Interview with Tucker Carlson

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00:01:53.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:02:35.000 Tucker, welcome back to the show.

00:02:36.000 Thank you for having me.

00:02:38.000 I was just saying, you've been everywhere lately.

00:02:40.000 Well, we just launched this new venture, and in an effort to insulate ourselves from cancellation, we went with a subscription model.

00:02:49.000 And so I've just been out telling people about it for the last week and learning about the power of podcasts, which I didn't fully appreciate as a middle-aged man.

00:02:58.000 That almost all the interesting conversations in the world take place on podcasts.

00:03:02.000 Right here.

00:03:02.000 Well, I always do your podcast, but I didn't, I just wasn't fully aware of the breadth of podcasts and how many smart people were conducting them and listening to them.

00:03:11.000 I mean, I went on a couple of podcasts.

00:03:12.000 I got all these texts from like people I knew in childhood.

00:03:15.000 I heard you on some podcast I've never heard of.

00:03:18.000 And you're amazing.

00:03:19.000 I listen every week to the, it's so cool.

00:03:21.000 It's like this underground media.

00:03:23.000 Does now that you're learning about it, does it give you hope that different ideas can penetrate?

00:03:27.000 100%.

00:03:28.000 Yeah, because I mean, part of the problem with working in cable news, and I spent like 25, more than 25 years in it, is that it's totally self-referential.

00:03:35.000 You're in this little universe.

00:03:37.000 You know, you're on one channel.

00:03:39.000 There are a couple other channels.

00:03:40.000 You're watching what they say carefully. 0.97

00:03:41.000 You're monitoring some stupid website called Media IET, which has a total readership of like 1,100 people. 0.99

00:03:46.000 And they're all producers. 1.00

00:03:47.000 They're all producers.

00:03:48.000 And you somehow convince yourself, as one does when you live in a tiny little world.

00:03:51.000 I mean, if you were, you know, in a medieval French monastery in 1500, you would think that nothing that happened outside the monastery was important because your world is what matters.

00:03:59.000 And when you work in cable news, cable news is the world that matters.

00:04:02.000 And then when you leave, you're like, actually, this has no effect on anything.

00:04:04.000 Who cares what they're saying on MSNBC?

00:04:06.000 You know, I spent all these years being mad at MSNBC and CNN.

00:04:10.000 I worked to both of them, so I know from the inside how rotten they are.

00:04:13.000 And then I left, and I'm thinking, we've never had a TV at home, so I never watch it anyway, but I don't see the clips.

00:04:20.000 It doesn't seem to make any difference.

00:04:21.000 Their audiences are tiny.

00:04:23.000 Your podcast has way more listeners who are careful, close listeners than any show on CNN or MSNBC, maybe Fox.

00:04:30.000 So why are we spending this disproportionate attention on things that don't matter? 1.00

00:04:36.000 So I'm just so grateful to ignore all of that because it's dishonest and stupid. 0.99

00:04:41.000 Well, and you're right, the depth of the listener is completely different. 0.99

00:04:43.000 Completely.

00:04:44.000 So not only is the audience bigger, but one listener on a podcast is worth like 100 on cable TV because they listen on every word.

00:04:52.000 And the ear is different than the eye.

00:04:52.000 Of course they're worried.

00:04:54.000 I totally agree with that.

00:04:55.000 I mean, I'm a reader, not a watcher, so I completely agree.

00:04:59.000 Things that I read stick much longer than things I see.

00:05:02.000 Yeah, and things you listen, I think, because you're not distracted by all of the pretty people on TV saying things.

00:05:08.000 Do you think that, I mean, you and I have talked about this privately.

00:05:11.000 I've heard you say it publicly recently.

00:05:13.000 There are things that people are now saying on social media and podcasting that five years ago you weren't even allowed to think, let alone say.

00:05:20.000 It's happening at a rapid pace right now.

00:05:21.000 Yeah, everything is changing so fast that it's a little bewildering to me.

00:05:25.000 And it's not, I mean, I think it's positive in the sense that the truth is the only thing that matters.

00:05:31.000 There's so much lying in our country that it's bewildering.

00:05:35.000 So I'm 100% in favor of people telling the truth always.

00:05:39.000 And I think it's the key to strength is being honest in your personal life as well as your public life.

00:05:44.000 The downside of it from my perspective is it's so much at once.

00:05:49.000 I'm 54.

00:05:50.000 I grew up, obviously, in this country, and my father worked for the federal government, was a Marine Corps veteran.

00:05:55.000 You know, and we had our own views.

00:05:57.000 We were never liberal at all.

00:05:59.000 But I never questioned the basic honesty of a lot of institutions in my life, including the denomination that we belong to, the agency in the federal government my dad worked for, all this stuff.

00:06:11.000 I probably should have questioned it, but I didn't.

00:06:12.000 But if you're my age, you probably have shared my experience.

00:06:15.000 And now I'm learning in the space of like five years that a lot of it was a lie.

00:06:20.000 And some days it feels like all of it was a lie.

00:06:22.000 And not just those institutions, but the accounts they told us of our history.

00:06:26.000 It's like all completely distorted.

00:06:29.000 And to learn all of that at one time is just a lot.

00:06:33.000 And some days it feels oppressive to me.

00:06:36.000 It's like I just want to believe in something.

00:06:38.000 And I do believe in things.

00:06:40.000 And I believe in God.

00:06:42.000 I believe in my family and my friends.

00:06:43.000 And that's all pure and real.

00:06:45.000 But the rest of it often feels like a movie set that's just blown down in a strong wind.

00:06:49.000 And you see, this is fake.

00:06:52.000 It's freaking me out.

00:06:53.000 And I know that there are people in this room who have had that feeling.

00:06:56.000 You were saying this privately.

00:06:57.000 I hope you don't mind me repeating it, which is that when you do eight, nine, 10 hours a day of rigorous interviews, it does impact you.

00:07:04.000 I feel the same way.

00:07:05.000 Hugely.

00:07:06.000 Hugely.

00:07:07.000 You do become a product to your environment.

00:07:09.000 Of course you do.

00:07:09.000 And it's sort of like in my family growing up and now, so my whole life, our primary form of entertainment is dinner parties.

00:07:16.000 I always had a lot of dinner parties, people over to the house having dinner and talking and playing backgammon or whatever, but talking.

00:07:23.000 And I have been changed by a lot of those dinner parties.

00:07:26.000 You hear things, you learn from people's experiences or their observations, and it really stays with you a long time.

00:07:32.000 A podcast is that times like 100 because it's focused and intense and people come with specific knowledge they want to impart.

00:07:39.000 They've thought it through.

00:07:40.000 That's so interesting.

00:07:41.000 And if you have a, I mean, I did like five podcasts in one day this week or last week.

00:07:47.000 And by the end of it, I was just weighed down by all the thoughts that were kind of occurring in my head.

00:07:53.000 And my wife and I are four children are grown.

00:07:56.000 So we live in a very quiet environment.

00:07:58.000 It's like us and our many dogs, and that's it.

00:08:01.000 And, you know, have dinner, talk, all this stuff.

00:08:03.000 I was so distracted because I'm thinking about all the things that we talked about.

00:08:07.000 And it's super dark.

00:08:08.000 And it's just, I guess, I would just bottom line it and say all these bad things happening in a row, all this disclosure happening at once, all these realizations dawning on aware people simultaneously.

00:08:21.000 None of that is accidental.

00:08:22.000 Like we're accelerating towards something.

00:08:23.000 I don't know what it is.

00:08:24.000 Don't ask me like deep theological questions, but clearly something is afoot.

00:08:28.000 This is not a normal time at all.

00:08:29.000 And let's not pretend it is.

00:08:31.000 And so I don't think we can affect the outcome of most of these things, obviously, but we can affect who we are, and we can become stronger.

00:08:41.000 And we need to do that.

00:08:42.000 I really believe.

00:08:43.000 I don't know how to go throughout all of that.

00:08:45.000 Oh, by surrounding myself with people who are honest and loving.

00:08:49.000 I mean, I just, the barrier to entry into my world is very, very high.

00:08:52.000 It has nothing to do with status or anything like that.

00:08:54.000 One of my closest friends doesn't have a high school degree, you know, has never had a white co-worker on an asphalt plant.

00:08:54.000 I don't care.

00:08:59.000 You know, it's like not, so it's not that.

00:09:01.000 I don't care about that.

00:09:02.000 And as I get older, I care about it even less. 1.00

00:09:03.000 I don't care who your family is, and I definitely don't care what are some stupid school. 0.99

00:09:07.000 I went to Duke, Little Dylan's at Princeton. 1.00

00:09:10.000 I just threw up on myself.

00:09:11.000 Like, I grew up in that world, so I know a lot about it.

00:09:14.000 And I know that none of that stuff means anything.

00:09:17.000 And if you get the prize at the end, it's not worth having.

00:09:20.000 That it's all a lie, actually.

00:09:21.000 None of that means anything.

00:09:23.000 And so it's not that.

00:09:24.000 The barrier to my world is honesty and sincerity because I just can't deal with any more lying.

00:09:30.000 So when I'm in, and by my world, I mean, at dinner.

00:09:33.000 You know, we have a million friends and we love them all.

00:09:33.000 Yes.

00:09:35.000 We love them even more now than we did five years ago before the great sorting took place and before COVID happened and before you learned that your neighbors who you always kind of liked were actually kind of fascists.

00:09:45.000 You know, you didn't know that.

00:09:46.000 And I was kind of happy not knowing that.

00:09:48.000 I didn't want to know that about my neighbors.

00:09:49.000 I like my neighbors.

00:09:50.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:09:51.000 And they're like yelling at me about the vax or their stupid little masks or whatever they call them. 1.00

00:09:55.000 It's like, ugh, I don't want to know that about you. 1.00

00:09:57.000 It's like seeing you sleeping with your wife. 0.51

00:09:59.000 I don't want to know.

00:10:00.000 I don't.

00:10:01.000 I don't want to know.

00:10:01.000 I mean that.

00:10:02.000 By the way, just not that I'm a Bible scholar, but what were Adam and Eve punished for?

00:10:07.000 Ignorance?

00:10:08.000 Ignorance?

00:10:09.000 The greatest sin in our civil.

00:10:10.000 No, of course not.

00:10:11.000 Knowledge.

00:10:12.000 Eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

00:10:14.000 They were punished for knowing too much.

00:10:17.000 So we're on autopilot all the time.

00:10:19.000 We're like, oh, you know, I just need to know more.

00:10:21.000 And some days I'm like, I don't think I really do.

00:10:24.000 I don't want to see what you do in the bedroom. 1.00

00:10:25.000 I don't want to know your vax, your stupid vax opinions. 1.00

00:10:28.000 I don't want to know all that stuff. 1.00

00:10:29.000 But of course, now we do and you can't unsee it.

00:10:32.000 And so that's very sad.

00:10:34.000 But the upside is you decide, like, I'm just not going to, it's not even about the vax or BLM or whatever. 0.90

00:10:38.000 I don't be around liars anymore.

00:10:40.000 I'm only around honest people.

00:10:43.000 And as soon as you do that, then it's like, wow, my wife and I were talking about this this weekend.

00:10:49.000 It's like, you know, we've never had closer friends, people we respect more, people we love more, people we trust more.

00:10:55.000 It's not about me having a public job.

00:10:57.000 That's not even, it's not even about that.

00:10:58.000 It's just on a true personal level, you can't be close to someone who's lying about himself or anything else.

00:11:06.000 You know?

00:11:07.000 So I want to kind of go off that, Tucker.

00:11:09.000 You said it before, and it's worth repeating because it's so important.

00:11:13.000 The liars in our society generally get rewarded, if not at the very least, for sure.

00:11:18.000 But the truth tellers.

00:11:19.000 Of course.

00:11:21.000 The incentive structure is if you tell the truth, you get $180 million judgment or a billion-dollar judgment against you.

00:11:27.000 Oh, I've noticed.

00:11:29.000 Yes.

00:11:31.000 Yes.

00:11:31.000 I mean, it's obviously so distressing, but let me just, as I'm trying to now do, I'm trying to teach myself to do there is an upside, and let me just say what it is.

00:11:40.000 For one, it's confirmation that this is not a political struggle, okay?

00:11:46.000 It's not about politics, it's not about ideology.

00:11:48.000 It's not even about money.

00:11:50.000 It's something much, much deeper.

00:11:52.000 People are lying for the sake of lying.

00:11:54.000 Truth is abhorrent to them because it's true.

00:11:56.000 What is that?

00:11:57.000 Well, that's the battle between good and evil that's raged continuously since the beginning of time.

00:12:01.000 Okay?

00:12:01.000 Sorry.

00:12:02.000 You don't have to be a believing Christian, which I happen to be.

00:12:05.000 You could just be a sentient person and realize that that's what that is.

00:12:10.000 So don't be distracted into thinking, you know, this or that is some debate between Republicans or Democrats.

00:12:14.000 I mean, everyone's already figured out the Republicans hate their voters probably as much as the Democrats hate Republican voters.

00:12:19.000 Like they're all united in their hatred of people who vote Republican or who are married or who have normal children or whatever.

00:12:26.000 They hate the good things.

00:12:27.000 That's the bottom line.

00:12:27.000 They hate the good things.

00:12:28.000 And they hate, above all, truth.

00:12:31.000 So that's the first good thing about it.

00:12:33.000 The second good thing is it's like a super easy, handy guide to what actually matters and what's true.

00:12:38.000 If you want to know what's true, look around who's being punished and what are they being punished for.

00:12:43.000 And if someone's being, you know, all of a sudden, if they're leveling a billion-dollar civil judgment against a guy for a radio show, you got to find the transcript of that radio show.

00:12:52.000 Right?

00:12:53.000 And it doesn't mean every word in the radio show is going to be accurate.

00:12:57.000 Of course not.

00:12:58.000 By the way, I would say that this is true for, I mean, now that we're getting into the Bible, it's like it's true for, you know, the books of the prophets, like, or anybody who has crazy insight into things.

00:13:11.000 Often they're half crazy.

00:13:12.000 That's true. 0.83

00:13:13.000 I know some.

00:13:14.000 And like, you probably wouldn't want to invite them to dinner with your kids.

00:13:18.000 And they don't have great table manners.

00:13:20.000 And they do speak in a disjointed way.

00:13:22.000 And they are so intense about things.

00:13:24.000 They see things so clearly.

00:13:26.000 And by the way, I'm just, how honest do you want to be?

00:13:28.000 Some of the people we classify as mentally ill fall into this category.

00:13:31.000 That's true.

00:13:32.000 And I have made a lifelong habit of listening to people because I think they're interesting, even before I was a journalist.

00:13:37.000 And one thing I have noticed about people who are mentally ill is that, you know, they speak in disjointed ways. 1.00

00:13:43.000 But if you listen carefully, it's not all disjointed. 0.97

00:13:46.000 Some of it's just gobbledygook and crazy or whatever.

00:13:47.000 But if you listen carefully, you will sometimes find things that are like really true.

00:13:53.000 You know, they're like flashes.

00:13:54.000 And I'm not saying that we should call every schizophrenic a prophet.

00:13:57.000 I'm not saying that.

00:13:59.000 No, I'm.

00:14:01.000 But I also think that we should listen to everybody and recognize that truth flows from unlikely sources and you can't know what they are ahead of time.

00:14:10.000 And if you decide that only, and this is what they're trying to do, these are our trusted sources.

00:14:15.000 These are the oracles of truth.

00:14:16.000 This is the only place you're going to get the truth.

00:14:18.000 That is the opposite of what we should do.

00:14:20.000 We should be open to the fact, the demonstrated fact, that truth comes at us from directions that we cannot predict and from people we wouldn't suspect.

00:14:27.000 That is just absolutely right.

00:14:30.000 And anyway, so we should just acknowledge that if they're landing on you in a dog pile and NBC News and CNN and the Department of Justice and the whatever, the CNL president, all of them are denouncing you.

00:14:44.000 It's not because you're lying.

00:14:46.000 It's because you're telling the truth.

00:14:48.000 And I mean it too.

00:14:49.000 And I hate to say that because that's so dark and cynical, but it's just, it's factually accurate.

00:14:54.000 But the hopeful wrinkle, because it's been a little heavy and that's good, is that there are millions of people that now can at least for this moment start telling the truth thanks to Elon buying Twitter.

00:15:03.000 Thanks to the podcast space.

00:15:03.000 Amen.

00:15:05.000 Amen.

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00:17:05.000 I'll give you an example.

00:17:06.000 I'll just give you a great example, okay?

00:17:08.000 You were on cable TV a couple years ago, and I don't think you said the words, but you got close to talking about the great replacement.

00:17:13.000 Yeah.

00:17:14.000 And they came after you so hard, and they said we must take Tucker off air, and da, da, da.

00:17:18.000 I remember I defended something you said, and we lost advertisers and the whole thing.

00:17:23.000 And today it's just hilarious that that bothers them.

00:17:29.000 It's not happening, and it's good that it is.

00:17:31.000 Exactly.

00:17:35.000 Yeah, I mean, but now anyway, the point of the story is I just tweet out today that you're being replaced.

00:17:39.000 And everyone's like, man.

00:17:41.000 Yeah.

00:17:41.000 It's like all of a sudden, in some ways, the truth overton window is moving.

00:17:44.000 Vivek Ramasamy goes up on stage and says the great replacement is not a conspiracy theory.

00:17:47.000 It is the policy of the Democrat Party.

00:17:49.000 Three years ago, I mean, the cost of that statement three years ago.

00:17:54.000 What I'm getting at is you're kind of this trailblazer, Tucker, you especially, that has allowed other people to say things that otherwise we would have never been able to say before.

00:18:03.000 Yeah, I mean, and that is, that's a big deal.

00:18:07.000 The funny thing is, well, and I'll take that as a compliment, and I appreciate it.

00:18:10.000 No, I mean that as a sincere compliment.

00:18:12.000 But the funny thing is, I'm like incredibly moderate.

00:18:15.000 I'm like the most moderate person I've ever met in the true sense of the word moderate.

00:18:21.000 My parents got divorced when I was little.

00:18:22.000 I'm not for radical change because I don't believe all change is good, actually.

00:18:26.000 I think people can move backward.

00:18:28.000 I am a student of Rome.

00:18:29.000 I know that there were no aqueducts built in Europe for a thousand years after the city fell in the fifth century.

00:18:35.000 So I don't think that history is an endless, inexorable progress forward or up or toward enlightenment.

00:18:41.000 That's just not true.

00:18:42.000 That's a huge lie and a massive misconception.

00:18:45.000 So I don't think if we like reshuffle the deck, we're likely to get more aces every time.

00:18:50.000 We just don't.

00:18:51.000 And by the way, I liked growing up here and I was born in 1969, the year of the moon landing.

00:18:57.000 And just kidding.

00:19:01.000 I love saying that.

00:19:02.000 It just cracks me up.

00:19:03.000 By the way, I'm totally open-minded on that, but I don't know.

00:19:06.000 But anyway, the year of the purported moon landing.

00:19:10.000 And I lived in California, which was like the greatest state.

00:19:13.000 I mean, in my family, my mother's family came to California in 1850, and they were never stopped talking about it.

00:19:18.000 We're so proud we're from California.

00:19:19.000 It's hard even to imagine that world now, but they really were sincerely proud of it.

00:19:23.000 And we really felt like anyone who didn't live in California was like really unfortunate, sad.

00:19:29.000 Like they've had a bad diagnosis.

00:19:30.000 Like you don't want to talk about it.

00:19:31.000 You know, they have the C word.

00:19:33.000 They don't live in California because it was just so great.

00:19:37.000 And by great, I mean had a massive, the biggest middle class in the country.

00:19:40.000 It was super clean, which is really important.

00:19:44.000 And I know it's very Eurocentric of me to want cleanliness and order, but it's not just about, and those are European values, sorry.

00:19:51.000 But it's more than that.

00:19:51.000 It's bigger than that.

00:19:52.000 Those are godly values.

00:19:53.000 Yes, that's right.

00:19:54.000 Order is from God, and chaos is from his enemies.

00:19:58.000 So, but we had that.

00:20:00.000 We had very little corruption.

00:20:02.000 At least it was obvious.

00:20:03.000 You could get pulled over by the cops.

00:20:04.000 They're not going to extort you.

00:20:05.000 It was awesome.

00:20:06.000 And we had the most amazing natural beauty in the continental United States.

00:20:10.000 So I watched all of that collapse into this really unfortunate thing.

00:20:15.000 I don't want to overstate it, but it's almost impossible to overstate it.

00:20:18.000 It's a third world country.

00:20:19.000 It's not even a third world country.

00:20:20.000 I've spent a lot of my life in third world countries that I really love.

00:20:24.000 And it's less than that.

00:20:25.000 It's totally chaotic and horrible.

00:20:29.000 So my only view is: let's make it California in 1985.

00:20:35.000 And if that's like racist or radical, tell me how.

00:20:40.000 How is that radical?

00:20:41.000 That seems like the most moderate possible position.

00:20:44.000 I can't imagine anything more moderate than that.

00:20:47.000 And so that's my view of myself.

00:20:49.000 And last thing I'll say is that part of the reason that conservatives have trouble telling what they think is true in public is that they've been convinced that their views are like fringe or weird or embarrassing.

00:20:59.000 And I guess I'm autistic.

00:21:00.000 I've just never thought that.

00:21:02.000 I've never thought that for one second.

00:21:03.000 I always think I have really like sensible, middle-of-the-road, moderate views.

00:21:06.000 I don't want revolution. 0.99

00:21:07.000 Everything I've done in the past 10 years was to try and call people's attention to the fact we're going to get a revolution if you don't knock this crap off. 0.95

00:21:14.000 If you don't listen to people and restore democracy, which we do not have. 0.87

00:21:18.000 Democracy is a pressure relief valve.

00:21:20.000 It keeps people from getting crazy.

00:21:21.000 I don't want crazy people.

00:21:22.000 I don't want mob rules.

00:21:24.000 I don't want militia in the street.

00:21:26.000 I don't want a civil war.

00:21:27.000 So that's the radical position.

00:21:30.000 You know, calling, and a couple times in foreign policy, I'm sure no one here agrees with my foreign policy.

00:21:34.000 I do.

00:21:34.000 Which is out of step, thank you.

00:21:35.000 But I'm not going to defend it.

00:21:36.000 I'm just going to say I've never taken more grief than I did when I worked in my previous job for saying, like, maybe we could find a way to end the war.

00:21:44.000 Having covered wars, I know that they're really ugly.

00:21:47.000 Sometimes they're necessary.

00:21:48.000 But if you can end them, you should.

00:21:50.000 I think, by the way, that's a Christian value.

00:21:53.000 That's like one of the highest Christian values, bring peace. 0.84

00:21:55.000 I see all these freaking preachers on TV calling for war. 0.96

00:21:58.000 God can deal with them. 1.00

00:21:59.000 But I despise them.

00:22:00.000 I mean that.

00:22:01.000 But how does it get to be radical?

00:22:03.000 How is it considered radical to call for reconciliation?

00:22:08.000 It's like, it's crazy.

00:22:10.000 How is it considered radical to call for a restoration of the country to what it was 30 years ago?

00:22:16.000 Post-Jim Crow.

00:22:18.000 I mean, how is that raised?

00:22:19.000 It's not.

00:22:20.000 And I refuse to believe that my views are radical.

00:22:22.000 I don't believe they're radical.

00:22:23.000 They never have been radical.

00:22:24.000 And I just pray they never become radical.

00:22:27.000 But they're pushing me to become radical, is the truth.

00:22:29.000 They're pushing.

00:22:30.000 It won't stop.

00:22:31.000 And I mean, I grew up in a world where, like, I mean, I grew up in La Jolla, California.

00:22:34.000 Talk about freaky personal lives.

00:22:36.000 There was not one person in my town who had a normal sex life.

00:22:39.000 Not one.

00:22:40.000 And our view was: like, I don't want to know about that stuff.

00:22:44.000 You want to dress up like a girl and go ahead, man. 1.00

00:22:46.000 Just, you know, keep it out of my face. 0.99

00:22:48.000 And if you bring it to my kids' school, I'm going to beat the crap out of you, okay? 0.94

00:22:51.000 And that was like, that was a great arrangement that I would have been content to live with for the rest of my life.

00:22:58.000 But they wouldn't stop, and they won't stop now.

00:23:00.000 They're trying to tear down the monument to the peace reached in the Civil War.

00:23:06.000 And I'm looking at this, and I'm like, where are all the veterans or the descendants of Civil War soldiers, which would include me and you.

00:23:14.000 And why are we putting up with this?

00:23:17.000 I just don't, I don't get it.

00:23:18.000 So they're driving me to a position of resistance, which I did not want to occupy.

00:23:22.000 It does not match my temperament.

00:23:24.000 If you saw how I lived, you would know that there's nothing radical about me.

00:23:28.000 I can't wait to get off Twitter and go bird hunting.

00:23:31.000 You know what I mean?

00:23:32.000 I mean that, but they're making it impossible.

00:23:35.000 This is an important point.

00:23:36.000 So the people who should know better and allegedly do know better, they're stoking a revolution.

00:23:40.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:23:41.000 But then help me understand that.

00:23:43.000 It's going to come for them too.

00:23:44.000 They think they're immune to it.

00:23:45.000 They're going to go to Auckland or Zurich.

00:23:46.000 You spent a lot of time with the ruling class.

00:23:48.000 Oh, yes, I have.

00:23:49.000 So, but I can't properly explain this or understand it.

00:23:54.000 So, this was the insight that totally changed my life.

00:23:56.000 And my insights, I should warn you, are very small.

00:23:58.000 And they're reached about 20 years after the fact.

00:24:01.000 So, they're not really useful.

00:24:03.000 But this one did change how I think.

00:24:05.000 So, for the last 10 years, I don't know when this insanity started, second term Obama, I think, in retrospect, but I kind of missed a lot of that because I was just, I wasn't expecting it, right?

00:24:13.000 You never are.

00:24:15.000 And things started to get crazy, and I was like, oh, it's probably on the fringes or whatever.

00:24:18.000 And all this stuff happened.

00:24:19.000 And it took me years to figure out what it was.

00:24:21.000 And the whole time I was trying to put a rational overlay atop the news.

00:24:26.000 Like, we have 15 different isolated events.

00:24:29.000 These people are saying that they became women somehow through magic.

00:24:33.000 These people are calling for like invading a country that has done nothing to us.

00:24:38.000 All this was all happening at once.

00:24:39.000 And I was like, what does this all mean?

00:24:41.000 And if you do these things, you'll wreck the country that you occupy.

00:24:44.000 That's right.

00:24:45.000 And so for a while, it was like, well, they must all have foreign passports or bank accounts in some other country or I don't know.

00:24:50.000 They may have got a plan.

00:24:51.000 They're going to Bakers Bay.

00:24:52.000 Yeah.

00:24:53.000 This whole thing.

00:24:54.000 I was like, but then I realized, no, they don't have a plan.

00:24:58.000 They don't have a plan because it's evil.

00:25:01.000 It's not a political difference.

00:25:02.000 These are not policy differences.

00:25:04.000 These are things done for the sake of destroying, destroying the good, making it uglier.

00:25:10.000 I'm really interested in aesthetics and beauty because I think it matters almost more than anything else because it's a reflection of truth.

00:25:18.000 And so the march of ugliness across the United States is shocking to me.

00:25:24.000 It's shocking to me.

00:25:25.000 The buildings, driving through Phoenix, I'm sorry.

00:25:27.000 I saw these buildings and I almost said something to the people in the car with me.

00:25:30.000 I didn't want to be boorish because it's very easy for me to be, but I thought to myself, where are the architects and why aren't they in prison?

00:25:37.000 You could build something like, no, I mean it.

00:25:39.000 I mean it.

00:25:41.000 I mean it.

00:25:42.000 You're doing this to the rest of us.

00:25:44.000 How dare you?

00:25:45.000 And what's your name and why aren't you on trial?

00:25:48.000 And I mean that from the bottom of my heart because I think it really matters.

00:25:52.000 What you look at in your daily life forms you.

00:25:56.000 If you raised a child in a box with no stimulation, what would that child become?

00:26:01.000 Disabled.

00:26:03.000 If you raise a person in a society that's relentlessly ugly, where you're completely cut off from nature, which is the purest thing because God created it, then you will raise a totally different kind of person.

00:26:16.000 And if you have a society that imposes relentless, sterile, repetitive ugliness on its population, physically, I mean, physically, we can go see it.

00:26:24.000 Go drive back toward Charlie's headquarters where I just came from.

00:26:27.000 And there's a mall by the side of the road.

00:26:29.000 I thought, that's not an accident.

00:26:30.000 Someone is trying to offend me by building that.

00:26:34.000 But of course, it's not personal.

00:26:36.000 It's part of a much larger theme, which is evil has descended on the country.

00:26:40.000 There's no plan to escape it.

00:26:42.000 The people who are perpetrating it will themselves be consumed by it because that's the nature of evil.

00:26:47.000 No one gets out alive.

00:26:49.000 It destroys the vessel as well as the target.

00:26:52.000 And if you've ever known an evil person, you know they're not happy.

00:26:57.000 They are suffering too.

00:26:59.000 If there's someone in your life who is tormenting you, like actual torment, not that you disagree with or find annoying or whatever, but an actual evil person who's doing evil, is dividing people for its own sake.

00:27:09.000 You are not looking at a happy person.

00:27:11.000 I don't care how much money they're making doing it.

00:27:13.000 They are being destroyed too, because that's its nature.

00:27:17.000 And, I mean, how'd Judas do?

00:27:21.000 No, I'm serious.

00:27:23.000 But we don't need to go back to the New Testament to see examples of this because you can see them in your own life.

00:27:29.000 So it is evil for its own sake.

00:27:30.000 It will destroy the people through whom it is flowing, because that's what is through whom it is flowing.

00:27:35.000 That's right.

00:27:37.000 And I just don't have a death wish.

00:27:39.000 I don't want to serve evil.

00:27:40.000 I don't want to have anything to do with that.

00:27:43.000 I have run away.

00:27:44.000 I'm ashamed to admit it.

00:27:45.000 I just realized this yesterday. 0.99

00:27:46.000 I was like, these people are such cowards. 0.96

00:27:48.000 And I'm like, wait, I live in a town of 100 people. 0.98

00:27:52.000 You know what I mean?

00:27:55.000 I've run away.

00:27:56.000 You know, I should be standing in midtown Manhattan with both middle fingers raised.

00:28:00.000 No, no, no, no.

00:28:02.000 You know what I mean?

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00:29:13.000 I don't know.

00:29:14.000 I haven't written.

00:29:15.000 I'm about to give a speech for Charlie.

00:29:16.000 And of course, I haven't written or even thought about it.

00:29:18.000 I'm going to say a prayer and just go.

00:29:20.000 Do the architecture thing.

00:29:21.000 I have.

00:29:22.000 It's so freaking.

00:29:24.000 I want their names. 0.99

00:29:25.000 I want them in prison.

00:29:26.000 I do, and I mean it.

00:29:27.000 You should say it on it.

00:29:27.000 I mean it.

00:29:28.000 And the thing is, the first time I ever said this in public, it was like one of those, I was in, whatever, it's a long story.

00:29:33.000 I was in a foreign country.

00:29:34.000 It was early in the morning.

00:29:35.000 They're like, oh, would you, you know, because I didn't understand the language, we're here for your speech.

00:29:39.000 And I was like, oh, who's giving a speech?

00:29:41.000 They're like, you are.

00:29:42.000 You know, I mean, it was like four minutes preparation.

00:29:45.000 I was like, okay.

00:29:46.000 I threw in one of my Zins and just started going.

00:29:50.000 And I look around and like, we're in this, it was in Hungary and we're all these buildings.

00:29:55.000 And I was just like, oh, this is where I want to live because it's beautiful.

00:29:58.000 And so I just won this long riff about architecture, which is of zero interest to like 95% of the crowd.

00:30:03.000 They're like, who is this guy?

00:30:04.000 See, an architecture critic?

00:30:05.000 We're going to hear about politics.

00:30:07.000 That was it.

00:30:08.000 I gave the speech.

00:30:08.000 I get back to the United States and there are all these pieces about how I'm a Nazi.

00:30:12.000 A Nazi?

00:30:13.000 I don't think I'm a Nazi, actually.

00:30:14.000 I'm like, kind of the opposite.

00:30:16.000 I'm against that.

00:30:17.000 But because I guess Hitler was into architecture or something, but that's not really that, no, which I didn't know.

00:30:24.000 He also had a dog.

00:30:24.000 Yeah, he also had a dog.

00:30:26.000 Right.

00:30:26.000 And I have four, so I'm four times Hitler.

00:30:31.000 But it wasn't even about that.

00:30:33.000 It was about pointing out that the people who control our country, who finance its building projects, for example, are committed to oppressing us through ugliness, which is true.

00:30:45.000 They hated.

00:30:46.000 And they hated any expression of the desire for beauty because what is beauty?

00:30:51.000 Beauty is truth.

00:30:52.000 The truer something is, the more beautiful it is.

00:30:54.000 You will never, and no one ever has in the history of the graphic arts created a picture more beautiful than my Springer Spaniel's face, which is true.

00:31:03.000 Well, it was just true.

00:31:04.000 And I'm not going to bore you to my wife who says, no one wants to see your dogs.

00:31:06.000 Okay, I got it.

00:31:07.000 So I'm not going to show you a picture of my dog, one of my many dogs, but that is the most beautiful thing.

00:31:14.000 A child's face is the most beautiful.

00:31:15.000 You know, a sunset, all the cliches, a mountain, a white pine in snow.

00:31:20.000 Beat that, Roy Lichtenstein.

00:31:24.000 You can't, because nothing is prettier than that.

00:31:26.000 And to the extent that you cut me off from that, you're killing my soul.

00:31:31.000 And I go buy more ammo because that's where we're going.

00:31:34.000 If I mean it, if your agenda is to cut me off from nature and beauty, it's your program is inherently a lie.

00:31:44.000 And if you're imposing that on me and my children, the only point is to extinguish us or enslave us.

00:31:50.000 And I just don't think we understand the stakes at all.

00:31:53.000 And I think beauty aesthetics is a window into that.

00:31:56.000 Okay, that's how insane I am.

00:31:59.000 No, I think you're totally rational.

00:32:01.000 I'm not.

00:32:01.000 You're totally rational.

00:32:02.000 Mr. Carlson, you're totally rational.

00:32:04.000 It's like, leave my office, please.

00:32:06.000 And I totally agree.

00:32:08.000 The architecture at its best points up.

00:32:10.000 That's why the old buildings of Europe, because it would be to glorify God.

00:32:13.000 Yes.

00:32:14.000 And circle is the perfect shape because it has no starter ends, like God's grace and mercy for us all in eternity where we head next.

00:32:20.000 And buildings should elevate the soul, not depress us into utilitarianism or some sort of widget-based existence.

00:32:30.000 But the building materials themselves do that.

00:32:32.000 Well, that's true.

00:32:33.000 If you build, and I don't mean to attack this room or this conference center or wherever we are, I have literally no idea where I am.

00:32:37.000 I think I'm in Arizona.

00:32:39.000 But if a ceiling like that could not be devised by anyone who doesn't hate people, there is no reason for that.

00:32:48.000 There is no reason for a synthetic drop ceiling and recessed lighting.

00:32:53.000 It would be cheaper to take this room and clad it in hemlock or white pine or fir, I mean it.

00:32:58.000 And if you were in a wood-paneled room, you would feel, you would feel it because wood was alive.

00:33:05.000 And you can, and I won't live in a room that's not wood-paneled.

00:33:08.000 And by the way, it's literally cheaper than drywall.

00:33:10.000 I'm just telling you, that depending on the wood market, but if you're not choosy about your woods, you can get a softwood-clad room for cheaper than hanging drywall.

00:33:18.000 And the difference that it makes in your life is like unbelievable.

00:33:21.000 So why wouldn't you do that?

00:33:22.000 Well, because you want to send the message that the people sitting in the room are worthless.

00:33:26.000 And no, I'm serious.

00:33:28.000 They mean nothing.

00:33:29.000 And when I look up at the ceiling, I'm like, oh, life has no point.

00:33:34.000 And my death will make no difference at all, just like my life hasn't.

00:33:38.000 And I guess I will submit.

00:33:41.000 Do you have any SSRIs?

00:33:44.000 You guys, think about it.

00:33:47.000 By the way, I'm not kidding at all.

00:33:49.000 By the way, Roger Scruton wrote extensively about this.

00:33:52.000 He was on the cutting edge of it, which is aesthetics has this relationship with the citizenry.

00:33:56.000 Now, there's a question for you.

00:33:58.000 Do the aesthetics lead the people or is the aesthetics the reflection of the current culture or vice versa?

00:34:03.000 Well, nothing.

00:34:03.000 I mean, the people, unfortunately, are not responsible for almost anything that happens in their society.

00:34:09.000 And this is true for all societies.

00:34:11.000 And when I'm accused of being a populist, which I am not, I will just refer to like the last 3,000 years of recorded history and note that there's never been a society led by the majority.

00:34:22.000 You hope the majority can have some input through voting.

00:34:24.000 That was our promise, which is fake.

00:34:27.000 But the decisions in any society are made by a small group of people.

00:34:30.000 You're always going to have elites, like you just are.

00:34:32.000 That's the nature of it.

00:34:33.000 People are hierarchical, just like dogs are.

00:34:35.000 My dogs are very hierarchical, and they're very rigid about it and snobbish.

00:34:39.000 And you're not going to beat that out of people.

00:34:42.000 So the best you can hope for is an elite that loves the people or at least cares about them.

00:34:46.000 It's necessary, or else you don't survive.

00:34:48.000 No, I mean...

00:34:49.000 Or you live in some sort of...

00:34:50.000 Well, it's like cancer.

00:34:51.000 What is cancer?

00:34:52.000 Cancer is the process by which your own cells turn against your own body.

00:34:57.000 You can't catch cancer.

00:34:58.000 And they see it could probably inject you with it.

00:35:00.000 But in general.

00:35:02.000 That's fake, says Wikipedia.

00:35:04.000 Totally fake.

00:35:06.000 Yeah.

00:35:07.000 Jack Ruby just got cancer right before his second trial and died in less than a month.

00:35:12.000 Totally organic.

00:35:13.000 Anyway, he smoked bad at 58.

00:35:14.000 But anyway, but in general, you can't catch cancer.

00:35:19.000 It's your own body killing itself, okay, or turning against itself.

00:35:23.000 And that is what societies tend to do.

00:35:26.000 We're never going to be defeated by a foreign army. 0.99

00:35:29.000 We can only be undermined from within.

00:35:30.000 Everyone knows that.

00:35:31.000 Everyone feels that.

00:35:32.000 And we now have a ruling class that's totally intent on destroying what our ancestors built and killing the population.

00:35:37.000 It is this picture of the snake eating itself is what it is.

00:35:40.000 And it will destroy, you said, both the vessel and the target together.

00:35:44.000 So are you seeing some thing on the horizon, Elon Ackman?

00:35:48.000 Are some elites defecting?

00:35:50.000 Is it enough?

00:35:50.000 Is it going to cause some at least, let's just say, glitch in their plan?

00:35:57.000 You know, honestly, I've actually made money over the years just betting with people on presidential elections and stuff.

00:36:03.000 I feel like I'm pretty good at foreseeing obvious trends because they're obvious and because I try to look at the world like a dog.

00:36:10.000 I don't listen to everything.

00:36:11.000 I just kind of stare and note the obvious things.

00:36:14.000 You know what I mean?

00:36:16.000 But this is one case, and by this I mean the next 12 months, it's like a shower curtain.

00:36:20.000 I can see shapes, but I can't make them out.

00:36:23.000 And so I really don't know what is going to happen.

00:36:26.000 My strong sense is that the deception will increase and become really intense, and that a lot of the people you think are on your side are actually not, and whether they know it or not.

00:36:37.000 I'm trying not to use the term false prophet, but I think that that's real. 1.00

00:36:40.000 And well, of course it's real.

00:36:41.000 We've seen it a lot.

00:36:42.000 So I don't really know who those people are.

00:36:43.000 This is just my sense.

00:36:44.000 And I could be completely wrong, as I have been often.

00:36:47.000 But I don't see any sign of this slowing down at all.

00:36:51.000 And I just don't think that there is.

00:36:53.000 I think the developments that you mentioned, like Elon, I mean, that's a huge history-changing development.

00:37:01.000 But where does it go?

00:37:02.000 I really don't know.

00:37:03.000 Well, in some ways, it could only accelerate what might already be happening.

00:37:06.000 It actually might be an accelerant more than a remedy.

00:37:09.000 Dude, I'm so against that, too.

00:37:10.000 You see these reckless people online being like, what we need is a civil war.

00:37:13.000 It's like, do you know what that is?

00:37:15.000 They've obviously never visited a country that has been through a civil war.

00:37:20.000 I was just in Spain.

00:37:20.000 Their civil war ended in 1939, eight, nine, eight, I think, whatever.

00:37:26.000 It, you know, close to 90 years ago.

00:37:29.000 And that society is still ripped in half by the Civil War and in ways that are very, very obvious.

00:37:35.000 So our own country is still arguing about the Civil War.

00:37:37.000 Or I guess that argument's not allowed anymore.

00:37:40.000 We didn't take down the statues and call you a racist.

00:37:42.000 Yeah, it was treason.

00:37:43.000 Okay, yeah, treason.

00:37:45.000 So, which is insane.

00:37:46.000 Then why was no one hung for treason?

00:37:48.000 Half the country believed that it was a voluntary union, and the other half believed it wasn't.

00:37:52.000 So, okay, they had a difference of opinion.

00:37:53.000 They were all Americans, and many died on both sides.

00:37:56.000 So, to reduce it to some sort of fairy tale good and evil passion play is disgusting and really beneath us as a country.

00:38:04.000 But it has a purpose.

00:38:05.000 There's a reason they're doing that, of course, which was to erase American history and to indict your ancestors so they can indict you because they believe in collective punishment.

00:38:13.000 So, that's what's going on there.

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00:39:16.000 Anyway, look, I don't want radical behavior.

00:39:20.000 I really hope that my tongue will not be a vehicle for radical statements.

00:39:24.000 It has been in the past.

00:39:25.000 My wife always scolds me.

00:39:27.000 I don't want to be radical.

00:39:28.000 I want to be sensible.

00:39:29.000 I want to treat people as people, not as members of groups at all.

00:39:32.000 That's wrong.

00:39:33.000 And I'm never going to do that.

00:39:35.000 Maybe I'll get pissed and do it, but I will apologize.

00:39:38.000 And I want to make things better.

00:39:41.000 And the last thing I'll say is I think people have a lot in common because they're all people.

00:39:44.000 I really believe that.

00:39:44.000 I know you think I'm like playing Dr. Seuss or something, but I really believe that.

00:39:48.000 I think the race stuff is totally overblown to this day.

00:39:52.000 And I've heard I'm very hated. 0.97

00:39:55.000 I've never one time had any black person come up to me like, you're racist. 0.74

00:40:00.000 I hear all the time I'm a racist, which I'm not.

00:40:01.000 I'd admit it if I was.

00:40:03.000 I'm not.

00:40:04.000 The only people who have ever called me racist are like angry 49-year-old white female lawyers. 0.57

00:40:09.000 They're super convinced I'm a racist. 0.95

00:40:11.000 Every black person I ever meets, like, hey, man. 1.00

00:40:13.000 So I'm serious.

00:40:15.000 I mean, maybe, I don't know, but I can only tell you my own experience.

00:40:18.000 And I think most people don't spend all day mad about race.

00:40:21.000 And you don't want to live in a country where they do, trust me, at all.

00:40:25.000 So we have a lot in common, and I hope that people realize that before it's too late.

00:40:31.000 So you're about to address a bunch of young people.

00:40:34.000 There's a massive crisis with men in this country.

00:40:38.000 Yeah.

00:40:38.000 Yeah, that's for sure.

00:40:40.000 I have three daughters. 1.00

00:40:45.000 Talk about the crisis of masculinity in the West.

00:40:48.000 You know, it's hard for me because I grew up in not just a male-headed household.

00:40:52.000 I grew up alone with my dad and my brother.

00:40:54.000 So it was dudeville in my house.

00:40:57.000 And it's hard for me to talk about it without being judgmental because I just don't have any respect at all for passive men at all.

00:41:09.000 And we had this, I just don't.

00:41:12.000 And by the way, it's not helpful to be judgmental at all. 0.99

00:41:18.000 It's not helpful to be like, you're all losers. 0.95

00:41:20.000 How does that help? 0.95

00:41:21.000 It doesn't help at all.

00:41:22.000 And people are, you know, if you're a 24-year-old man, you're facing forces that I can't even understand because I just didn't grow up in your world, okay?

00:41:29.000 So you're under pressures that are profound.

00:41:31.000 And I don't want to be judgmental.

00:41:33.000 But clearly, we've totally destroyed the relationship between men and women completely, completely.

00:41:40.000 And for, I don't know, a short period, like 3,000 years, the arrangement between men and women was very, very simple.

00:41:46.000 It's straightforward and rooted in nature.

00:41:49.000 It was, you know, bear my children, sleep with me, you know, love me, and in exchange, I will lay down my life for you.

00:41:57.000 And that's called the patriarchy.

00:41:59.000 And it worked really well.

00:42:01.000 And we overthrew the patriarchy, and no one benefited. 0.99

00:42:05.000 And women are much unhappier than they've ever been. 1.00

00:42:08.000 There are surveys that show it.

00:42:10.000 And men are so lost that they're degrading themselves.

00:42:12.000 And killing themselves. 0.99

00:42:13.000 And killing themselves, if not losing themselves in weed and porn. 1.00

00:42:16.000 And so when I try to step out of my judgment and reaction, I feel deep sympathy. 0.82

00:42:24.000 But overturning not just the gender binary, the trans stuff, which is, I think, very significant, but it's also a little bit, if I can be, how honest do you want to be?

00:42:33.000 It's a little bit of a sideshow.

00:42:34.000 I mean, it's not a sideshow, but it's like, actually, we already gave up on the real battle, which is like, you should be able to have a single parent, you know, a single income family.

00:42:45.000 And it's not virtuous to send your kids to be raised by people who don't speak English all day. 1.00

00:42:50.000 I'm sorry.

00:42:51.000 And a lot of people have to do it.

00:42:53.000 And I feel sorry for them and I feel sorry for their kids.

00:42:55.000 And I know that they suffer when they do that.

00:42:57.000 But daycare is not a virtue.

00:42:59.000 It's a last resort.

00:43:00.000 And if you ask people, like, would you rather raise your own children?

00:43:03.000 Overwhelmingly, they say yes. 0.89

00:43:05.000 And the only people who don't say yes are upper income educated white women who I just dislike as a group. 0.63

00:43:12.000 I'm just going to say. 0.83

00:43:13.000 But whatever.

00:43:14.000 I said I was going to judge people as a group, but I don't do groups.

00:43:18.000 I'm married to one who's wonderful and she's the anomaly. 0.99

00:43:20.000 But everybody else who didn't believe the feminist stuff is like, I'd really kind of like to raise my own kids. 0.99

00:43:26.000 Like, isn't that why I'm on earth?

00:43:27.000 Is there anything more important than that? 1.00

00:43:29.000 Most women want that. 1.00

00:43:30.000 And if you deny them that and tell them that it's liberation, you're sick. 1.00

00:43:34.000 And by the way, go fight our wars for us.

00:43:36.000 Really?

00:43:36.000 I thought, call me crazy, the only reason we have wars is to protect our women and children from being hurt.

00:43:42.000 Wasn't that the truth? 0.98

00:43:44.000 So some foreigner doesn't rape my wife or take my children into bondage. 1.00

00:43:47.000 I thought that was the whole point. 0.81

00:43:49.000 And by the way, every other war in human history has been fought for that reason.

00:43:52.000 But all of a sudden, we're like, hey, girls, go defend us.

00:43:55.000 I just find it contemptible.

00:43:57.000 And it doesn't mean that the women who do it are contemptible. 0.85

00:43:59.000 I know a lot of them, and they're great people.

00:44:01.000 And most of them are from military families, actually, who admire their dad and they go do it.

00:44:04.000 And I love them.

00:44:05.000 And I'm not criticizing them personally.

00:44:06.000 I'm criticizing at all or devaluing their service at all.

00:44:10.000 I'm merely criticizing a society that would allow that.

00:44:14.000 And the last thing I'll say before I give the speech is I was in Iraq in 2003.

00:44:17.000 I'd advocated for that war and I really thought it was a good idea. 1.00

00:44:19.000 And I was meeting with this general in the green zone.

00:44:22.000 He goes, this amazing thing happened today.

00:44:23.000 And they're all horrible. 0.99

00:44:24.000 The generals are all like effeminate and weird and deceptive. 0.99

00:44:27.000 And this guy goes just amazing. 0.87

00:44:28.000 We're at dinner.

00:44:28.000 He's like, I was with this woman today.

00:44:30.000 She's whatever, enlisted army, and she had her legs blown off.

00:44:35.000 And amazingly, her husband was there, and it was such a touching moment.

00:44:37.000 She died.

00:44:38.000 But, you know, to see her service and to see, you know, the fact he could be there to watch his wife die.

00:44:44.000 Their kids are obviously stateside.

00:44:46.000 And I'm like, I was like, did you just tell me a mother, an American mother of children had her legs blown off?

00:44:53.000 Let's just stop there. 0.98

00:44:54.000 That's disgusting.

00:44:56.000 And any society that doesn't think it's disgusting is not a society I want to live in or whose values I share. 0.96

00:45:01.000 That's just disgusting. 0.80

00:45:02.000 Don't hurt women, period. 0.58

00:45:03.000 And I grew up in an all-male household, and that was rule one. 1.00

00:45:06.000 Protect women. 1.00

00:45:07.000 They're not here to get in bar fights on your behalf or to defend your country.

00:45:11.000 They're here to be protected.

00:45:12.000 That's your job. 0.99

00:45:13.000 That's your only job is to protect women and care for them and love them. 0.99

00:45:18.000 And if we're celebrating some woman getting her legs blown off because it's some sort of like statement about something in a war that turned out to be completely pointless and bad for us, you're a freak, okay? 0.98

00:45:29.000 And I got in a yelling match with this general in the restaurant in the green zone. 0.95

00:45:33.000 And I've never forgotten it.

00:45:35.000 And I've been angry about it ever since. 0.99

00:45:37.000 The same morality or lack thereof allows women in sports to be terrorized by men.

00:45:41.000 It's the same exact thing.

00:45:42.000 The same exact thing.

00:45:45.000 So, Tucker, kind of in closing here, you have the Tucker Carlson Network.

00:45:48.000 You've had.

00:45:51.000 Is that not what it's called?

00:45:52.000 No, I've just gone off.

00:45:54.000 I've just gone so crazy that I...

00:45:56.000 I hope I can reel it back a little bit for the speech, but I have a lot of...

00:46:02.000 This isn't being recorded, is it?

00:46:04.000 No, of course not.

00:46:05.000 The cameras are there just for good.

00:46:10.000 I'm not sure why.

00:46:13.000 You've had a 2023 you wouldn't have predicted.

00:46:17.000 Oh, yeah.

00:46:18.000 That's the cool thing about life.

00:46:20.000 You know, it's you think like everything, you know, that tomorrow is a pure extrapolation from today.

00:46:25.000 Current trends will continue.

00:46:29.000 And it's like, no, you know, you get killed in a car crash.

00:46:32.000 You win the lotto.

00:46:33.000 You get fired from the job you thought you were going to have forever.

00:46:36.000 It's all kind of awesome because it reminds you of how totally powerless you are and all this stuff.

00:46:42.000 Like, I'm the master of my own destiny. 1.00

00:46:44.000 Shut up, fool. 1.00

00:46:45.000 You're not the master of your own laundry room. 1.00

00:46:47.000 Like, this is stupid. 1.00

00:46:48.000 You know, it's like, what? 1.00

00:46:50.000 You don't have control over your life.

00:46:52.000 And the best you can do is the best you can do.

00:46:54.000 And that's it.

00:46:55.000 And so many things happen to you.

00:46:57.000 And that's like, that is the one, you know, getting up three times, take a leak of Millennium's the downside.

00:47:03.000 But the upside of middle age is like, you really get that.

00:47:06.000 You know, you just clapped.

00:47:07.000 Okay, you know.

00:47:10.000 But no, that's the upside.

00:47:12.000 Is you're like, no, I'm not in charge of my life or the world, you know?

00:47:16.000 And that's great.

00:47:17.000 That's liberating.

00:47:18.000 Well, Tucker, I know I speak for our audience here.

00:47:20.000 Thank you for your courage and thank you for everything that you are doing for our country.

00:47:24.000 Thank you.

00:47:25.000 God bless you.

00:47:27.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:47:29.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:47:31.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:47:33.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - December 26, 2023

They Hate You Because You’re Telling the Truth — My Interview with Tucker Carlson

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