The Charlie Kirk Show - They Want You to Overreact — Live with Dr. James Lindsay at the TPUSA Pastor’s Summit

00:00:00.000 Happy Sunday, everybody.

00:00:01.000 A critical episode that happened at our TPUSA Faith Pastors Summit with Dr. James Lindsay.

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00:00:33.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:16.000 I know last evening was a wonderful night and we received some huge feedback.

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00:01:29.000 I like to kind of block off some periods of time in the schedule to kind of just see what the Lord has in store.

00:01:36.000 And many of you in the hallway were stopping me, and some of you were at CNP, the Council for National Policy meeting back in Florida, where a friend of mine, James Lindsay, and I spoke about the need of distinctions and what is CRT and what is this trans thing.

00:01:52.000 Now, so as you know, this is a pastor's summit.

00:01:56.000 And, you know, some people that, let's just say, are more critical than they are.

00:02:04.000 Let me be nice.

00:02:08.000 More critical than not.

00:02:10.000 They got really fired up because they said, okay, yeah, it's fine that 99% of all your speakers are Christians and pastors.

00:02:16.000 But why on earth would you have that James Lindsay guy come and speak?

00:02:21.000 And so James Lindsay is not of our faith.

00:02:23.000 He's an agnostic.

00:02:24.000 He's a wonderful man and he knows the word very well.

00:02:26.000 And I will say this, though.

00:02:30.000 Did every one of you that flew here demand that the pilots that were flying you were of your faith?

00:02:36.000 When you go for brain surgery, when you want to go get an MRI, do you want to?

00:02:41.000 Sometimes there are some people that have some wisdom to share about something really important.

00:02:47.000 And not only is he respectful, he says that without the church, you know, this woke stuff is going to take over everything.

00:02:53.000 He has a PhD in mathematics, actually not too far from here, University of Tennessee.

00:02:58.000 He has dedicated his entire life and his ridiculous intellect to reading every one of their books and understanding what drives this force.

00:03:08.000 Where does it come from?

00:03:10.000 He has a new book out called The Marxification of Education.

00:03:13.000 He has a book out called Race Marxism.

00:03:16.000 He actually wrote a book called Cynical Theories, all about what you're probably dealing with in your seminaries.

00:03:24.000 People are bringing up the different ideas of post-structuralism and post-modernism.

00:03:30.000 And he's incredibly entertaining.

00:03:33.000 And again, some people and the Christian bloggers that are not big fans of ours are going to be very critical of this.

00:03:40.000 But you know what?

00:03:41.000 I think we should all come with open ears and open heart and see what James has to teach us today.

00:03:46.000 Join us in welcoming James Lindsay, everybody.

00:03:52.000 As my cool age, James, welcome.

00:04:00.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:04:01.000 I brought you some Kool-Aid.

00:04:02.000 Don't worry, it's not for everybody.

00:04:17.000 So, James, it's an honor to have you here.

00:04:19.000 You know, we received the petition of hundreds of people demanding that we cancel you as a speaker, which I said they don't know who they're dealing with if they actually think I care about that.

00:04:32.000 So, James, welcome.

00:04:33.000 It's an honor.

00:04:34.000 You and I have traveled the country together, done a lot of things together.

00:04:37.000 You have focused your career now on defeating the Marxists and defeating the woke. 0.87

00:04:41.000 Tell us about your work and why it's so important that the church rises up.

00:04:45.000 Well, thanks, Charlie.

00:04:46.000 And, of course, you know, and you all should know, I'm humbled and flattered to be here.

00:04:51.000 I don't take it lightly that I'm invited to this thing that makes the internet very upset, that it's somehow out of character or whatever.

00:04:57.000 I do like coming to things that makes the internet very upset.

00:04:59.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:05:01.000 But I think that we are, and I think that we all know that Charlie was very prescient in naming his organization Turning Point, because we are facing a crossroads for America, but also for the American church.

00:05:17.000 And I was talking with Charlie, we did a podcast yesterday, and I pointed out to him that we kind of have this hundred-year-long arc that I think is very important for people to understand.

00:05:27.000 So, in the 1920s, a Marxist by the name of Antonio Gramsci laid out the plan for how we're going to infiltrate the cultural institutions and take them over from within.

00:05:37.000 This got called the Long March to the Institutions Later.

00:05:40.000 Mao Zedong employed something similar, or maybe the same thing in China, and it worked. 0.96

00:05:44.000 So, it's something very serious.

00:05:46.000 But what he said was that we have to infiltrate the institutions, particularly, he named five of family, religion, education, media, and law.

00:05:54.000 And you heard religions right there in the middle.

00:05:56.000 So, that's 1920s.

00:05:58.000 So, now we fast forward to 2016, which is pretty close to the 2020s.

00:06:03.000 So, about a century later, we have Klaus Schwab, the executive chairman of the World Economic Forum, saying that, of course, he wants to transform the world to some new economy of sharing and caring is the most recent quote, whatever that's supposed to mean, communism.

00:06:17.000 And he said that values, what drives a lot of what he does, especially the work of the World Economic Forum, has faith in its crosshairs, says the reason is because values cannot be justified by the intellect alone that requires faith, which means they have a deliberate program, and the Marxists have had a deliberate program, to infiltrate the churches, especially the American churches, because they know that they can't take over the United States of America from within unless they take over the cultural institution of the church,

00:06:45.000 which means they have to transform the church to something that it should not be, never was, and never will be if pastors stand up and understand the.

00:06:52.000 Are you saying, James, that there are secular socialists actively funding efforts to take over the American church?

00:06:58.000 They've been actively funding these efforts for a very long time.

00:07:02.000 They've been trying to find inroads.

00:07:03.000 I mean, there are documents even from the 1950s where they hauled before the House Committee on Non-American Activities.

00:07:11.000 People started to testify, and they started to talk about how the communists at the time, this was the 1950s, they were not that successful in infiltrating the American church, or at least not the Protestant one at that time.

00:07:22.000 And they said that they made these things called sucker lists. 0.96

00:07:25.000 And they laughed because they said that pastors can sometimes be the biggest suckers of them all, especially liberal pastors. 0.97

00:07:31.000 And they can transform the church from within. 0.54

00:07:33.000 So there's been a deliberate strategy, a deliberate enemy trying to take over this church.

00:07:38.000 Now, you mentioned my book, Marxification of Education, for example.

00:07:41.000 And so this is by a guy named Paolo Ferreri.

00:07:43.000 Paulo Ferrari, I talked about at the summit last year.

00:07:46.000 Paulo Ferrari, you'd think it's all about education because his books are things like the politics of education, the pedagogy, that means the theory of teaching, the pedagogy of the oppressed.

00:07:56.000 These are the kinds of things that he wrote, but his books actually contain entire chapters about the church and about how the church has to be transformed into what he calls the prophetic church, which is described as being prophetic in the sense that it builds the kingdom of God here on earth in solidarity with the oppressed.

00:08:14.000 So in other words, the Christian message, the church itself, has to be transformed, and they've had a deliberate program that they've been running for decades to do that.

00:08:22.000 And, you know, part of the issue, James, that has surprised so many people, I'm sure, in this room is the church was not prepared for the kind of mandatory woke pressure that happened in the summer of 2020, right?

00:08:35.000 Where you must now be demanding diversity.

00:08:38.000 I know so many of you in this room, you've been confronted by congregants or board members, and they say, why is it that you don't have people on stage that look like me?

00:08:47.000 Or why is it that you don't have more diversity?

00:08:50.000 How many of you have probably heard this once or twice or three?

00:08:52.000 A lot of hands going up.

00:08:53.000 James, where does this come from?

00:08:55.000 Because this is not Christianity. 0.97

00:08:56.000 This is something very dark.

00:08:59.000 Well, I mean, it comes from Marxism.

00:09:00.000 And so my work over the past maybe four to five years has been trying to get to the bottom of what Marxism really is about.

00:09:09.000 And Marxism ultimately, in my opinion, and we talked about this some, we can chat about this if you want.

00:09:14.000 I actually think it was a updating and replacement of the old Gnostic heresies.

00:09:21.000 So the idea is that there's this secret knowledge, and that if we gain this secret knowledge, mankind can save himself from himself, more or less.

00:09:28.000 We can elevate ourselves to the status we shall be as gods.

00:09:31.000 You mentioned Genesis 3 last night.

00:09:34.000 Yeah, and we're going to talk about that.

00:09:35.000 And just, James, I want you to slow down.

00:09:37.000 The Gnostic heresies. 0.97

00:09:40.000 Well, the Protestant church doesn't talk about that enough, honestly.

00:09:43.000 What are the Gnostic heresies?

00:09:45.000 So in the first and second centuries, there were a number of heretical Christians who set up a bunch of heretical interpretations of Christianity and the gospel and the Bible.

00:09:59.000 At the very bottom, what Gnosticism believes, and this will actually be a great segue to Marxism, believe it or not, because I think it's continuous.

00:10:08.000 But what they actually believe at the bottom is that when we read Genesis and we read about the Creator, that what the Creator actually is, is a different character entirely.

00:10:16.000 It is not the Almighty God.

00:10:18.000 That they know this secret.

00:10:19.000 It's a secret Gnostic belief that they have. 0.93

00:10:22.000 It's a hidden knowledge.

00:10:24.000 That there's actually a real God behind the character in Genesis that creates the world.

00:10:30.000 The Creator in Greek is demiurgos.

00:10:34.000 And so it's the demiurge is the word that they use for this.

00:10:36.000 But the demiurge is actually in the Gnostic faith, an evil demon that's sent to imprison man and at first in Eden. 0.89

00:10:44.000 And then after the snake comes, the serpent comes and tells Eve the truth about the world, imprisons him in the world to suffer all the iniquities.

00:10:54.000 And so if you can gain this secret knowledge of the imprisonment of man, then you can set yourself free.

00:10:59.000 Now, fast forward to from the first and second century.

00:11:04.000 So these are characters like the Sethian cult, the Manichian cult.

00:11:09.000 Some people have heard of these things, some people haven't.

00:11:10.000 Valentinian cult is the most famous of them that was put down by Irenaeus.

00:11:14.000 These are things that some people have heard of.

00:11:16.000 We fast forward, though, to say around 1800.

00:11:21.000 And what we have is some people, some German theologians that are working there in the Swabian region of Germany, of southern Germany.

00:11:28.000 And they have encountered these ideas because they picked up kind of a person of cool running through elite circles in Europe for a couple hundred years.

00:11:38.000 A new age movement took place in the end of the Middle Ages in Europe.

00:11:41.000 A lot of people don't recognize this, but it was literally their New Age movement.

00:11:46.000 But they're hip enlightenment times modernists, and they're looking at the world through a modern, not a pre-modern lens.

00:11:54.000 So, they're no longer thinking, wow, well, the spirit that's actually animating the world is somehow this transcendental thing.

00:12:02.000 And they place it instead in social science.

00:12:04.000 It's the social spirit, the zeitgeist, or the spirit of the times, or the Weltgeist, the spirit of the world in the original German.

00:12:11.000 And so, what happens is they start to work out this whole Gnostic concept.

00:12:16.000 But now, instead of the Holy Spirit being the Holy Spirit, it's the spirit of all the people moving the world around in trajectory through history.

00:12:22.000 And we have to transform history to what it was intended to be by God, the kingdom of God on earth.

00:12:28.000 And so, it turns out that they recreated the entire Gnostic thing, but stuck it in what we would now call sociology and economics.

00:12:35.000 Karl Marx comes along, and this is where it gets really important.

00:12:38.000 He says, Actually, do you know who has this power that's like the demiurge that imprisons the world and oppresses all the people to keep them from being like gods?

00:12:47.000 Well, the gods are the bourgeois class, and they imprison the proletariat, and you get the entire recreation of the Gnostic heresy. 0.96

00:12:56.000 But now, with social science and economics being the tool, so now that we've slowed down and caught people up, what happens is with Marxism, isn't he great, by the way?

00:13:06.000 I mean, so Christians can recognize immediately then that this is satanic very clearly, right? 0.99

00:13:16.000 It is the serpent was telling the truth, okay?

00:13:18.000 We know who we're dealing with now.

00:13:21.000 And so, what we're dealing with with Marxism is Marx said, Well, what has to happen, just like the Gnostics of old, is they have to awaken to a secret consciousness. 0.90

00:13:29.000 He called this socialism, a secret consciousness of how the world works.

00:13:33.000 This is how it actually works.

00:13:34.000 Class consciousness is the first step toward socialist consciousness, is the first step toward true communism.

00:13:40.000 What did he say?

00:13:41.000 Awaken, woke.

00:13:43.000 That's where the world woke comes from.

00:13:44.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:13:45.000 Thank you.

00:13:46.000 That's exactly what this is.

00:13:49.000 And then he said, What the proletariat, the oppressed, awakened oppressed, need to do is seize the means of production.

00:13:57.000 And for a century and a half, we have sat on our hands and not realized.

00:14:01.000 We thought, oh, he means factories, he means farms.

00:14:04.000 And technically, he did.

00:14:06.000 But for Marx, the reason that factories and farms and employment and all of these things mattered was because he believed economic conditions determine the character of man.

00:14:16.000 So, what he's actually saying is we need to seize the means by which man creates himself.

00:14:20.000 And he's explicit on this in his writings in 1844.

00:14:24.000 It's about how man creates himself, absent God, absent any other form of creation, and the mechanism is economics.

00:14:33.000 So, how do we get from there to 2020?

00:14:36.000 Well, that didn't work in the West because, as the communists writing in the middle of the 20th century, said, capitalism delivers the goods.

00:14:45.000 In other words, economic conditions don't work as a lever, an Archimedean lever, as they phrase it, to move the West into communism.

00:14:54.000 They don't work.

00:14:55.000 We can actually work hard, apply our talents, and prosper.

00:15:01.000 So, you can't use economic conditions to trick the West into this demonic influence.

00:15:07.000 So, they have to use other things.

00:15:09.000 So, they moved into cultural issues.

00:15:11.000 And so, they said, Well, you can use race, you can use sexual status, you can use sex and gender, you can use health and ability status, you can use all of these personal identity politics ideas, and we can leverage it that way.

00:15:25.000 So, instead now of saying that the world and man is created through economic conditions, they say that racism is systemic and it's upheld by an ideology of white supremacy that pervades everything.

00:15:36.000 And it's the necessity of a racial proletariat, the people of color, to seize the means of cultural production and rise up and overthrow to take over the production of man. 1.00

00:15:47.000 Well, guess what?

00:15:48.000 Like Gramsci said, the church is an overwhelming, powerful, absolutely central means of cultural production and cultural maintenance.

00:16:00.000 So they wanted to come in.

00:16:01.000 So, what you faced in 2020 was Marxists who had reappropriated this old Gnostic idea into economics and reappropriated it into race.

00:16:08.000 And then they put you on the spot, not knowing what you were facing, and said, Don't you think this church should be a little more diverse?

00:16:16.000 Because they dressed it up in nice seductive language, you know, like a capital D deceiver might do.

00:16:24.000 And then if you said, Well, I don't know, maybe it's a capital A accuser that shows up next and says, Well, you're a racist, and you know what you're dealing with if you stop and think about it.

00:16:34.000 But there's this huge historical precedent.

00:16:36.000 We're talking Genesis 3, historical precedent here.

00:16:39.000 And James and I have really harmonized on this Genesis 1 through 11 theme, which I encourage all of you to really take time with your congregations and do a deep study on it.

00:16:51.000 Because in order for the Marxists to succeed, they must obliterate the truths of Genesis 1 through 11.

00:16:59.000 And all the Bible, I believe, is breathed from God.

00:17:02.000 It's all inerrant, but Genesis 1 through 11 is the ballgame the Marxists find objectionable.

00:17:07.000 They do not believe Genesis 1:1.

00:17:09.000 They do not believe that the universe had a beginning with a purpose.

00:17:12.000 They think it's a series of accidents.

00:17:13.000 They don't believe Genesis 1:26 and 127 that human beings are made in the image of the divine.

00:17:18.000 And they certainly, James, do not believe in the distinctions that are set up in the first 11 books of Genesis.

00:17:26.000 The distinction between God and man, the distinction between man and nature.

00:17:32.000 Now, when James is talking about hermeticism or Gnosticism, the best example of this that will probably connect some dots for you is the heretical gospel of Thomas, where Jesus is everywhere.

00:17:46.000 He's in the stones, he's in the river, he is in nature.

00:17:51.000 Now, one of the themes of Genesis 1 through 11 is an unapologetic argument that God is above nature and he created nature.

00:18:01.000 That God is not within nature, it is different than every other river civilization belief of the Mesopotamians or the Egyptians.

00:18:10.000 They believed that the old gods, actually, you worship the sun, you worship the river, you worship the hills, you worship the mountains.

00:18:16.000 The Torah, the first five books of the Bible, the books of Moses, especially the first 11, the verse 11 chapters of Genesis, are saying, no, no, no, no, God spoke it into existence.

00:18:28.000 There is a hierarchy, and that in fact, actually, we're even above nature.

00:18:33.000 And the distinctions that are set up between the holy and the profane, between good and evil, between man and woman, these distinctions actually keep us free.

00:18:44.000 Distinctions are what is necessary for a civil society to flourish.

00:18:50.000 And James, you have a lot to say about this because distinctions is actually precisely what the Marxists desire to obliterate.

00:18:59.000 Well, they have to obliterate distinctions because the truth is in distinctions.

00:19:05.000 That I am not Charlie is true.

00:19:08.000 We are distinct from one another.

00:19:11.000 It's simply true, that I'm not this chair or whatever else, that I also can't change my sex through any magical alchemical process, as the target Satanist guy recently put on Instagram.

00:19:23.000 If you didn't know that, he put this graphic designer that's at the middle of all this target nonsense, evil, not nonsense, all this target evil.

00:19:33.000 The graphic designer that's in the middle of it has on his Instagram a skeleton with a bubbling cauldron and all the cute pink and blue and cute colors.

00:19:41.000 And it says, transition is alchemy.

00:19:44.000 And I agree, it is alchemy.

00:19:45.000 It's the hermeticism that Charlie mentioned.

00:19:48.000 And that Hermeticism is a Gnostic, not in the strict sense, but in the sense that it has secret knowledge.

00:19:54.000 It is an ancient Gnostic religion that is evil that seeks to obliterate all distinctions. 1.00

00:20:00.000 And in particular, both Gnosticism and Hermeticism, just like Genesis 3 said, seek to obliterate the distinction between God and man.

00:20:08.000 Marx's whole project starts with that man is his own God.

00:20:11.000 Man is his own creator.

00:20:12.000 And thus we can seize the means of creation of man and we can take man to a desired end.

00:20:18.000 For Marx, he says that this is that we're going to remember who we truly are.

00:20:21.000 Well, who is that?

00:20:22.000 He calls it a species being.

00:20:25.000 It's a weird phrase, but what he actually says is it's a purely, perfectly social creature.

00:20:31.000 Man, as an individual, exists for the species.

00:20:35.000 In other words, as a collective.

00:20:36.000 So we are actually to obliterate the distinctions between one another.

00:20:41.000 So this is what you see in China when Mao was taking over.

00:20:44.000 I've actually been to Beijing and seen some of these posters or murals are still painted on some walls.

00:20:49.000 It says things like man, woman, boy, girl, we are all the same.

00:20:54.000 Obliterating distinctions.

00:20:55.000 Those are some pretty important distinctions, by the way.

00:20:58.000 Dylan Mulvaney is obliterating the same one.

00:21:00.000 He doesn't pose as a woman, he poses as a girl. 0.96

00:21:03.000 Man, girl, we are all the same.

00:21:06.000 Think of the implication.

00:21:08.000 You're a smart crowd.

00:21:09.000 Think of the implications of where that goes.

00:21:12.000 Think of the implications of where that goes.

00:21:14.000 Of course, a young girl can consent because a 28-year-old man can be a girl.

00:21:20.000 This is going to happen in the next two to three years, everybody.

00:21:22.000 Widespread pedophilia, justification.

00:21:26.000 And that's not an exaggeration.

00:21:29.000 It's already here in many states.

00:21:32.000 And we've got to get more churches to probably speak about that.

00:21:35.000 So, James, but the distinction also between the state and the family.

00:21:39.000 Absolutely.

00:21:40.000 The public and the private, state and family.

00:21:44.000 What they need to destroy is every single distinction so that everything becomes a kind of a homogenous mix that's almost homogenous because they get to sit on top of it, direct where it goes, because, of course, they're the Gnostics. 0.96

00:21:59.000 They're the enlightened elect that know where history is supposed to go so that we can build the kingdom here to complete history.

00:22:06.000 And so they've got to get rid of this distinction between the state and the family so that you can't bring your values to your children.

00:22:16.000 You can't bring the loving bond that's unique between parent and child to your children.

00:22:22.000 And it's going to be replaced by their favorite thing in the entire universe, the amorphous blob that we call the institution, which at its largest in society is the state, which Hegel, who preceded Marx, said is the divine as it manifests on earth.

00:22:40.000 God as he exists on earth for this view is the state.

00:22:44.000 Now, James, you looking at this from an outsider, would you say clearly this is a theological debate that is occurring without most people and most pastors even realizing it?

00:22:58.000 It's absolutely a theological debate.

00:23:00.000 It is a debate that's logos versus pathos.

00:23:04.000 It's a debate that's pathos is emotion.

00:23:08.000 Pathological is the derivative of that word, by the way.

00:23:12.000 It's a debate of truth versus objective truth versus subjectivity, where subjectivity gets to rule.

00:23:18.000 Now, these woke kids, by the way, think that their subjectivity, my lived experience, right?

00:23:23.000 That's their subjective interpretation of after the Marxists told them what their subjective interpretation is of what they've experienced in their lives.

00:23:29.000 That's what makes it lived experiences that are just regular experience, is that it's had interpretation added to it.

00:23:34.000 They think that that's king.

00:23:36.000 Let me clue them in.

00:23:37.000 I know they're probably, well, some of them might be hate watching this, but let me clue them in.

00:23:42.000 Their subjective experience, according to what Mao said, is there are different things you do in different phases of the revolution.

00:23:48.000 Once these people take power, true power, their subjective interpretation doesn't matter anymore.

00:23:54.000 So this is a theological debate about objective truth versus, this is the deepest theological debate about objective truth versus subjectivity.

00:24:01.000 Because the people in charge are using the woke right now and their subjective feelings.

00:24:06.000 And then because it's subjective, once they get what they want, they can change what the subjective truths are that matter tomorrow.

00:24:12.000 And then if they don't like those, they can change them next week.

00:24:15.000 And if they don't like those, they can change them again.

00:24:17.000 And this is exactly what history has taught us when these people take over.

00:24:20.000 This is a theological debate, though, that also goes back, just like I mentioned, the first century and second century Gnostics.

00:24:27.000 This is the theological debate that the very heart, this is the very simplest thing, is, can man be God?

00:24:36.000 No.

00:24:37.000 That is the debate.

00:24:39.000 And you all know the answer.

00:24:41.000 But you have to unapologetically say the answer.

00:24:44.000 You have to stand up and say, this is why Charlie and I, despite our religious differences, get along perfectly.

00:24:49.000 Because Charlie, devout as he is, knows he is not God.

00:24:53.000 He's humble before God.

00:24:56.000 I know I'm not God.

00:24:57.000 And I'm humble before whatever the truth is, wherever that may lead me.

00:25:01.000 And I have to put myself down before it because it's a lot bigger and a lot more powerful than I am.

00:25:06.000 This is a very simple premise.

00:25:10.000 And as James and I joke around when we talk together, we all believe that there is a God and you are not him, right?

00:25:17.000 The people in charge don't believe either of those things.

00:25:19.000 And George Soros, George Soros, on the record, 60 Minutes 1992, was asked, what's your belief of God?

00:25:26.000 He said, well, man created God.

00:25:28.000 God did not create man.

00:25:31.000 Plainly and simply, right?

00:25:33.000 And I just want to just re-emphasize something James just said.

00:25:38.000 He's pleading with the church to tell, to have you tell your congregation that God's in charge.

00:25:47.000 That's the ask.

00:25:49.000 Where are we at, everybody, if that has to be the ask in America, right?

00:25:53.000 Please go back, American church, and say that man did not create God.

00:25:59.000 That's somehow controversial, I suppose.

00:26:01.000 But at the same time, James, the woke cannot coexist with a belief in the transcendent or the divine or a logos.

00:26:10.000 Well, they're self-transcendent.

00:26:13.000 They are self-transcendent.

00:26:15.000 The goal is actually for them to elevate themselves.

00:26:17.000 Look at what they do with this transition.

00:26:19.000 What do you do?

00:26:21.000 A delusion comes into your mind.

00:26:23.000 You decide that you're something that you're not.

00:26:25.000 And then you go and try to create yourself into that, right?

00:26:28.000 So you become the author of your own being.

00:26:32.000 Now, there's older terminology for this.

00:26:35.000 If you were to make a child, we know that that requires a man and a woman, by the way, here. 0.96

00:26:41.000 That's not a negotiable point.

00:26:43.000 If you were to make a child, there's an old word for that, begetting.

00:26:47.000 And so what the woke actually are trying to do is to seize the means of that and to self-beget.

00:26:53.000 They believe that man gets to self-beget on the individual level.

00:26:56.000 But in concert, what's transcended to them is the collective, the collective of humanity.

00:27:02.000 And so the collective of humanity all has to agree about how human beings get to self-beget.

00:27:08.000 And of course, the enlightened Gnostics in charge are going to have a self-beget into socialist man, the perfect species being. 1.00

00:27:14.000 Marx wrote about this, by the way.

00:27:15.000 You know this.

00:27:16.000 He said in his critique of Hegel's philosophy of the right, which he wrote at the end of 1843, he wrote that the critique of everything begins with the critique of religion.

00:27:27.000 All true critique begins with the critique of religion.

00:27:29.000 And this is the reason why.

00:27:30.000 That's his famous religion is the opium of the masses.

00:27:32.000 And a couple paragraphs down, he says that what religion has done is it has allowed man to put himself around, meaning God, a false son.

00:27:41.000 But what he needs to do is bring it back and make himself his own son that he centers, that he orbits around himself.

00:27:48.000 So, this is their goal.

00:27:50.000 Then, what do we end up with?

00:27:52.000 We talked yesterday about Gramsci.

00:27:53.000 I mentioned Gramsci earlier.

00:27:54.000 Gramsci says 100 years later or thereabouts, or 80 years later, socialism is precisely the religion that must overwhelm Christianity.

00:28:02.000 It's kind of a lie, by the way.

00:28:03.000 It underwhelms it, if you will.

00:28:05.000 It gets in underneath it and infiltrates and transforms it from within.

00:28:09.000 But this is exactly the battle that we're having.

00:28:11.000 This is the exact goal.

00:28:12.000 The criticism of religion, this picking at everything, is absolutely crucial to their agenda. 1.00

00:28:17.000 This is important.

00:28:18.000 So, it's the relentless criticism of institutions that exist.

00:28:21.000 That is the Marxist playbook.

00:28:22.000 Alinsky touched on this a little bit in Saulinsky's Rules for Radicals.

00:28:25.000 It's a little incomplete, but I think if you want to know the tactics that they're going to use against you, both on the macro and the micro, just read Saul Linsky's Rules for Radicals, of which the dedication to the book is dedicated to Lucifer.

00:28:41.000 Hillary Clinton wrote her senior thesis.

00:28:43.000 Barack Obama called him my mentor.

00:28:45.000 Saul Linsky, Chicago community organizer, wrote Rules for Radicals 13.13 was deliberate, by the way.

00:28:52.000 And I could just name some of them off for you right now: make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.

00:28:57.000 Keep the pressure on.

00:28:58.000 Find a target.

00:28:58.000 Personalize it.

00:28:59.000 Polarize it.

00:29:00.000 This is what they do every single day.

00:29:03.000 And again, it's not a complete list, not exhaustive, but part of deconstructionism, part of Herbert Marcuse, Michelle Foucault, Jacques Derrida, these 1950s, 1960s radicals that infected the baby boomer generation and really changed the ideological and philosophical trajectory of the West, is they believe whatever must exist, what, James, must be relentlessly criticized until you reduce it down to nothing, right?

00:29:27.000 They do that with the family, do that with marriage, they do that with virtue.

00:29:30.000 And their targets right now, this is why we're doing what we're doing.

00:29:34.000 I don't think Christians know how much money, funding, energy, and ferocity is coming towards the church. 1.00

00:29:41.000 You might think that, oh, we're fine.

00:29:43.000 You know, we have a great church, 700 people, 800 people, 2,000 people. 0.56

00:29:46.000 You know, okay, be careful because that youth pastor that you might hire that might have went to Calvin College might be a wokey ready as a parasite to come take over your church. 0.93

00:29:57.000 And it takes, so James, two things.

00:30:00.000 Talk about the relentless criticism.

00:30:02.000 Talk about how sometimes it just takes one, one wokey bacterial infection to take over a healthy body.

00:30:08.000 So first thing I'm going to say, actually, is I don't get to do this often, so I'm going to relish the moment.

00:30:13.000 I get to correct the brilliant Charlie Kirk.

00:30:16.000 I get to correct you.

00:30:18.000 The actual word that, I mean, he's not wrong, relentless criticism, all that exists.

00:30:22.000 But the actual quote from Marx is ruthless criticism.

00:30:26.000 Okay, for that.

00:30:27.000 That's what they're going to do to your close, though.

00:30:30.000 But this is true.

00:30:30.000 You need to understand how this is a distinction.

00:30:35.000 I'm holding you to your own rules.

00:30:39.000 He's using Alinsky on me.

00:30:42.000 This is an important distinction, though, because ruthless is their attitude.

00:30:46.000 Ruthless is their attitude.

00:30:47.000 Okay?

00:30:48.000 And so that is exactly how they proceed.

00:30:50.000 By the way, there's an update.

00:30:52.000 If you want to go, you can find Saulinsky's Rules for Radicals online for free. 0.84

00:30:55.000 You should read it.

00:30:56.000 You should understand the tactics of the people trying to come after you.

00:31:00.000 There's an updated version that's called Beautiful Trouble.

00:31:03.000 It's a lovely graphic book online.

00:31:06.000 It's beautifultrouble.org.

00:31:09.000 If you want to understand their strategies and how they try to provoke you, what their principles are, a principle, for example, is your target's reaction is your real action.

00:31:17.000 In other words, they're trying to provoke you all the time.

00:31:20.000 Another principle, if we go back, whether it's Marcuse that does it in 1972, whether it's Gramsci that does it, whether you see it in Beautiful Trouble, the idea is that you're actually supposed to, and this is what you're asking me about, the infiltration of, you say, the parasite.

00:31:33.000 And so in 2000, it's too bad we're not in Arizona for this.

00:31:36.000 I love when we're actually in Phoenix for this.

00:31:38.000 In 2014, there was a paper written, 16 maybe, there's a paper written at Arizona State University, which is why I love to do it in Phoenix, that's titled Women's Studies as a Virus. 0.62

00:31:50.000 That's the title of this paper.

00:31:52.000 And they explain that their strategy is actually modeled ideally off of the concept of a virus.

00:31:58.000 And what they say is that you imagine that you have, they, for whatever reason, pick a male student, but you have a student learning women's studies as elective courses in colleges and universities.

00:32:08.000 And they give the example: maybe he's majoring in biology.

00:32:11.000 Okay?

00:32:12.000 And they say that the virus is the ideal metaphor.

00:32:15.000 The examples of viruses that they compare themselves to in the favorable are AIDS because it suppresses the immune system, Ebola, and SARS.

00:32:27.000 They said also that viruses that cause cancer represent, and this is the word of the year, isn't it?

00:32:31.000 True transformational change.

00:32:33.000 And what they say is, you take that student and you get him to take a few women's studies classes so he gets the ideology in him.

00:32:40.000 And then when he graduates with his degree in biology and he goes off to a graduate student department or he graduates and he goes off to a lab, he brings that and infects the new cell, whether it's a new academic department, whether it's a laboratory, whether it's a workplace.

00:32:56.000 This is not something the church is magically immune to.

00:33:01.000 If there is no discernment, they understand perfectly well that if they were to say, bring critical race theory and intersectionality, maybe even elements of queer theory into the seminaries and train up pastors and youth pastors in these ideologies while they get their otherwise maybe sound theological teaching,

00:33:22.000 that they're going to be able to go get hired by churches and act as viral carriers, as disease vectors, to bring the ideology into your church, into your community around your church.

00:33:33.000 And this is so explicitly their strategy that not only have they written it down over many books, over many years, over an entire century, but they actually wrote a paper and said the best way to think of ourselves is as a virus that infects institutions.

00:33:47.000 You know what they said about conservatives in that paper?

00:33:49.000 There's a couple paragraphs.

00:33:50.000 Conservatism, they said, is like the immune system.

00:33:54.000 So that's why it's so important that we, and they said, and this is their words, that's why it's so important they said that we suppress it.

00:34:01.000 Because most of the time, the disease might infect the host, and if the immune system doesn't work, then the host will die.

00:34:08.000 But in this case, they don't explain how by magic, one might, hermetic magic, alchemy, transition is alchemy.

00:34:16.000 You might suppose.

00:34:17.000 They say, in this case, the disease will actually benefit itself and the host if the immune system is prevented from keeping it out.

00:34:27.000 That is their mentality.

00:34:28.000 So when you look at the attacks that are coming on your church, some of them are going to come very vigorously from without.

00:34:35.000 Others are going to come very, very subversively from within.

00:34:41.000 And when the idea, the strategy is to get you divided and arguing over these things inside your church.

00:34:47.000 So when the external pressure comes, they can crack you like an egg.

00:34:51.000 It's also to get the fight to happen in the church.

00:34:54.000 So when that external pressure comes, you have the guy.

00:34:56.000 Remember, your target's reaction is your real action.

00:34:59.000 So you have the guy that this finally gets mad and throws his foot down as, I'm not doing this in my church anymore.

00:35:05.000 This is, you know, we're not having people like this in our community.

00:35:08.000 They say, which he obviously means Marxists.

00:35:11.000 The media is not going to take it that way. 0.98

00:35:13.000 They're going to take it as these white supremacists don't want black people in their church. 0.97

00:35:17.000 He said, we don't want people like this in our community. 0.98

00:35:20.000 And that's exactly the game they play on you again and again and again.

00:35:23.000 So they're provoking you and subverting you from within.

00:35:26.000 Then they apply the pressure from without, and very, very few things can withstand that.

00:35:31.000 And this is my fear for many of you.

00:35:33.000 Many of you have growing churches because you were bold and courageous the last 18 months.

00:35:37.000 That means you're hiring more staff.

00:35:39.000 And that means you're hiring 23, 24-year-olds.

00:35:41.000 And they look great, right?

00:35:43.000 And they come, they might be a worship leader, worship director.

00:35:45.000 They might be a youth pastor.

00:35:46.000 Do you really know what they believe on this stuff?

00:35:48.000 Do you really know what they believe on critical theory?

00:35:51.000 Are they going to be a group text message to all the other younger people and the singles ministry saying, oh, yeah, that's Pastor Steve up there?

00:35:59.000 He's just doing his thing again as they're subterraneanly because they're trying to do this like a virus to deconstruct, to challenge.

00:36:06.000 And you might say, oh, I got it under control.

00:36:08.000 I could list you 30 pastors that lost their positions in the last year because they thought they had their church under control.

00:36:16.000 And a board schism or a youth pastor, worship director, and they said, oh, no, but we got to grow.

00:36:22.000 More campuses.

00:36:24.000 I have more fear for those of you that are growing right now because you're going to have to be expanding and they will infiltrate because they have taken over what?

00:36:33.000 The feeding institutions.

00:36:35.000 95% of seminaries in this country have been captured by the woke.

00:36:41.000 Completely captured.

00:36:43.000 And you might say that's an exaggeration.

00:36:45.000 You got to trust me on this, everybody.

00:36:47.000 It is beyond anything you could even, you could imagine.

00:36:50.000 And so, but James, you hit it perfectly.

00:36:54.000 So what is the best disinfectant to the parasitic bacterial infection that tries to take over the church?

00:37:01.000 It's truth.

00:37:02.000 It's truth and distinctions.

00:37:03.000 You absolutely have to stand in those things.

00:37:10.000 It's also knowledge.

00:37:12.000 You will be subverted if you don't know how you're going to be subverted.

00:37:15.000 And let me just add to what Charlie just said.

00:37:17.000 If you took a stand in the last three years and your church is growing, you know how communists work.

00:37:24.000 They make lists.

00:37:25.000 You're not just susceptible.

00:37:27.000 You're a target.

00:37:29.000 You are something that they know that they have to put energy and effort into.

00:37:32.000 Either to get your church to get subverted from within, what do they always do?

00:37:36.000 They either transform it to one of theirs or they destroy it. 0.99

00:37:39.000 So it's either going to be that or they're going to get somebody, they're going to work you guys up into some kind of a reactionary moment to do something stupid. 0.95

00:37:47.000 And the next thing you know, you got the IRS saying that you're a hotbed of domestic extremism or you got the DOJ saying you're a hotbed of domestic extremism, barking down your neck. 0.98

00:37:55.000 And then that's not going to stick to just you.

00:37:58.000 It's going to be Christianity at large is going to have that stuck on them as well.

00:38:01.000 So you've got to be extraordinarily vigilant.

00:38:06.000 You've got to know the truth.

00:38:08.000 The harder job is ours.

00:38:10.000 They only tear down.

00:38:12.000 We have to preserve and defend while also doing our regular job.

00:38:16.000 You have to know the scripture.

00:38:18.000 You have to preach the scripture.

00:38:20.000 You have to bring them to the truth.

00:38:21.000 You have to encourage.

00:38:22.000 You have to do all of these things.

00:38:23.000 But at the same time, you have to know how they operate.

00:38:26.000 You have to understand what they're going to do so that you can be discerning.

00:38:30.000 And you can see when that youth pastor or whatever it is says the first thing, then now you got your eye on him.

00:38:35.000 And then when he says the second thing, and you've got to start having strategies for how you're going to deal with him.

00:38:39.000 Are you going to get rid of him?

00:38:40.000 You know he's going to make a stink.

00:38:42.000 You know he's going to be a problem if you do.

00:38:44.000 Turns out, PS, if you want to figure out how to get rid of these people, saddle them with responsibility and hold them accountable to it, and they all leave.

00:38:54.000 You want more diversity in this place?

00:38:56.000 Okay, it's your job.

00:38:58.000 It's your job, and you're out in three months if you can't get it.

00:39:01.000 Go find it.

00:39:02.000 And they quit.

00:39:03.000 They all quit.

00:39:05.000 Give them responsibility and accountability.

00:39:07.000 And they are out the door going to go find a more susceptible host.

00:39:11.000 They're going to go find a cell with a dysfunctional immune system to go infect.

00:39:17.000 And I could tell you, the healthiest churches, I see so many here, and you're going to hear from them all throughout today of pastors.

00:39:22.000 The healthiest churches have elder boards and they have congregations where they know what they stand and why they stand for.

00:39:29.000 There's no mystery.

00:39:30.000 And my challenge for some of you, if you're here and you're attending and this might frighten you, what James is saying, like, wow, that's a threat.

00:39:38.000 And if you're not yet speaking out on this stuff, then it's going to take you by surprise.

00:39:43.000 And people say, well, I never knew where we stood on these issues because it's going to come and it's not going to end.

00:39:49.000 And this is a good segue.

00:39:50.000 Then let's do some questions, James.

00:39:51.000 We're about to enter Pride Month, right?

00:39:53.000 And they're going to put you all on defense in Pride Month. 0.61

00:39:56.000 This is what they do.

00:39:57.000 Your reaction is what?

00:39:59.000 It's their primary action.

00:40:01.000 It's their primary action.

00:40:02.000 So they're going to create fake and synthetic circumstances at some of your big churches, right?

00:40:09.000 Where they'll artificially bring a trans person and they'll say, what's your reaction? 1.00

00:40:13.000 And if you do not have a good way to respond to that, lovingly and truthfully, they'll film it and put it on the internet.

00:40:19.000 And you'll have protests outside.

00:40:20.000 If you think I'm kidding, this is how they operate.

00:40:22.000 These are trained agitators and activists.

00:40:25.000 And so, James, Pride Month, I think, is, I mean, Pride is a sin reclaim the rabbit.

00:40:32.000 We talked about that.

00:40:32.000 But you have an interesting theory that, and this is our last point that we'll do some questions, that they actually want a drag Floyd situation.

00:40:41.000 What do you mean by that?

00:40:42.000 Yeah, I think that there's a now.

00:40:44.000 Let me be very clear because Media Matters and these guys go nuts every time I say this.

00:40:49.000 I mean, Charlie and I talked about it at Amfest in December, and Media Matters had an article out before we got off stage.

00:40:54.000 It was amazing.

00:40:55.000 They were so upset.

00:40:57.000 That's incredible turnover.

00:40:59.000 Just so fast.

00:41:00.000 They were so mad.

00:41:00.000 So I know what I'm saying is probably based in truth because they reacted so quickly.

00:41:05.000 But the fact of the matter is, to be careful, your typical drag queen out there dancing around and doing these provocations. 1.00

00:41:11.000 And by the way, Christians, the L.A. Dodgers story already tells you who they're going to try to provoke into radical action.

00:41:18.000 They're going after Christians. 0.99

00:41:20.000 Expect, expect, I'm telling you, expect a lot of insults to your faith over the next two months.

00:41:29.000 This is an intentional provocation, everybody.

00:41:31.000 Intentional provocation.

00:41:33.000 Because the powers that be, and I don't think it's necessarily the guy on the ground in a dress and a wig or whatever, the powers that be would love nothing better than a reactionary moment where somebody loses it, lays hands on or a fist on or worse, a drag queen in this country. 0.97

00:41:50.000 And all of a sudden, you guys saw in 2020 what happens when they find the perfect sympathetic story with the enemy that they've ginned up.

00:41:58.000 In that case, it was the police.

00:41:59.000 In this case, it will be conservative Christians or conservatism across the board.

00:42:03.000 You can guarantee that if they can find a sympathetic story with a martyr at the center of it, with the big scary boogeyman that they've worked up as the monster that caused it, that we're going to have another summer of, I think the word is love, but that's how they use the word love.

00:42:19.000 Yeah, summer of drag.

00:42:20.000 Well, yeah, it's going to be summer of drag disaster. 0.99

00:42:23.000 It's going to be, well, this is why I call it drag Floyd. 1.00

00:42:25.000 Everything in some sense or another that followed George.

00:42:30.000 And I'm not talking about necessarily the riots.

00:42:32.000 Maybe those things will happen.

00:42:33.000 Watching every institution you can imagine bend at the knee and get down on their hand. 1.00

00:42:40.000 You're going to see Dan Kathy washing the high heels of a drag queen if this happens. 0.98

00:42:44.000 He runs Chick-fil-A, which none of you guys should, but Chick-fil-A has gone totally what.

00:42:47.000 Because they are going to bend every knee.

00:42:51.000 And so you're going to watch every knee and every institution bend of the pressure that they create if we fall for this provocation.

00:42:58.000 And you as pastors have a very strong obligation to pastor your flock to minimize the chance that that happens in your community.

00:43:08.000 And let me add to this, because I get accused of this a lot.

00:43:11.000 I'm not saying go into inaction.

00:43:14.000 I'm not saying sit on your hands.

00:43:17.000 I'm not saying anything like that at all.

00:43:20.000 I'm saying that there is a difference between strategic action and the reaction they're trying to provoke.

00:43:24.000 And if you have discernment and you can tell distinctions, you're going to figure out what that is.

00:43:28.000 And you're going to take loving Christian action in response, not wild, provoked action.

00:43:35.000 Like I told Charlie yesterday, these provocations are hideous.

00:43:40.000 The average American sees that they're hideous. 0.92

00:43:43.000 Almost every Christian that's not a woke Christian sees that they're hideous. 0.99

00:43:47.000 And they stay hideous. 0.86

00:43:48.000 And they hurt the left until they look sane by comparison to the reaction they generate.

00:43:53.000 Well, and you look at this, right?

00:43:57.000 The left's current regime, the secularists, they thrive on misrepresented viral moments that the media then, like the subway situation, the woman with the bike in New York City, Covington Kids with Nicholas Sandman, Kyle Rittenhouse, Floyd.

00:44:13.000 Realize you're living through a mass operation mockingbird intel agency creation to manipulate your emotions, the pathos against your logos to get you to do something out of fear, not of rationality or truth.

00:44:28.000 How many of these viral moments do we have to see that are then configured, edited, add sound with before we realize that they're playing with us to try to change the society?

00:44:40.000 So be ready for that in the next month.

00:44:41.000 Okay, let's just say that's what I'm saying.

00:44:43.000 This is a parallel.

00:44:44.000 You guys all know that you're not going to go attack an abortion clinic to stop abortion.

00:44:48.000 You're going to stand outside of it and pray. 0.75

00:44:50.000 Why can't the protest, if there's going to be a protest at all for these, and maybe it's held at your church and not on site where something stupid could happen or a provocateur or an embedded Fed or something could pull a false flag.

00:45:02.000 There will be a ray-ups at this drag stuff, everybody.

00:45:06.000 Why not pray for them?

00:45:08.000 Why not make it clear that you're praying for them peacefully?

00:45:11.000 We're praying for these people to come back to peace, to come back to truth.

00:45:14.000 We're praying for them to overcome the delusions of their minds.

00:45:17.000 We're praying for their health and prosperity.

00:45:20.000 We're praying for our country.

00:45:21.000 These kinds of things, when you read that you should turn the other cheek, this is what is meant, if I might be so bold.

00:45:28.000 You've insulted me here.

00:45:30.000 Go ahead. 0.96

00:45:30.000 Insult some more. 0.96

00:45:31.000 Show everybody what a monster you are. 1.00

00:45:34.000 And they lose when that happens. 0.99

00:45:37.000 It's beautiful.

00:45:38.000 Let's do some questions.

00:45:39.000 We have some mic runners.

00:45:40.000 Well, let's get to as many as possible and raise your hand if you have a question.

00:45:44.000 So we will start here.

00:45:46.000 Yes.

00:45:47.000 Hello, my name is Robert Euls.

00:45:49.000 And James, I met you last year at the pastor's conference.

00:45:53.000 And thank you so much for what you're doing.

00:45:55.000 I've probably listened to 300 hours of your new discourses podcasts.

00:46:00.000 And pastors, you need to listen to his new discourses podcast every day, if not several times a week.

00:46:06.000 You have helped me understand sincerely what's going on.

00:46:09.000 My little church meets in a plaza and we're two doors down from a gay bar.

00:46:14.000 We have church service at 10 a.m. and 4 p.m.

00:46:17.000 And their drag show contest starts around 5.30.

00:46:21.000 So when we're getting out of church, there they are sometimes prancing through the parking lot.

00:46:26.000 And you guys have so opened my eyes.

00:46:29.000 One thing you really help me with, because we do a lot of demonstrations, pro-life demonstrations, cultural warrior type demonstrations.

00:46:37.000 Would you please address Darvo?

00:46:40.000 Because you really helped me understand why they're trying to tick us off.

00:46:43.000 And what they want is for us to lay one finger on them.

00:46:47.000 And then it's us who will be in trouble.

00:46:48.000 You just briefly introduced it a few minutes ago.

00:46:51.000 If you talk about Darvo and what that stands for, I think that would help everybody.

00:46:55.000 Thank you.

00:46:55.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:46:57.000 Thank you for that.

00:46:57.000 Yeah, they have a number of tactics and strategies and tools that they use.

00:47:01.000 One of them is this kind of provocation.

00:47:03.000 They actually call it mid-level violence.

00:47:06.000 They want to get you to either do nothing, which you cannot do, or to overreact, which you also cannot do because they'll use it against you because their real action is your reaction.

00:47:16.000 And then if you react, Darvo is an acronym.

00:47:19.000 This actually comes from abuser psychology.

00:47:22.000 Like, how would you, if you had a domestic abuser, say a psychotic husband is abusing his wife and the wife says, you're abusing me, he goes into what's called Darvo.

00:47:34.000 It's an acronym.

00:47:34.000 It stands for deny, attack, and reverse the roles of victim and offender.

00:47:39.000 So this is what will happen to you if you react.

00:47:41.000 They will deny that they did any kind of provocation.

00:47:44.000 They will attack you for having been there in the first place.

00:47:47.000 And then they're going to say that they are the victim and that you are actually the offender.

00:47:52.000 They're going to reverse the roles.

00:47:53.000 Sounds like Kyle Rittenhouse, doesn't it?

00:47:54.000 It's exactly what happened with Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:47:56.000 It's exactly what happens again and again.

00:47:59.000 And it's exactly what will happen to you if there's a reaction.

00:48:02.000 So, you know, if you're in the situation of this kind, again, the provocation is there.

00:48:07.000 They have the upper ground.

00:48:09.000 If you walk out and either completely indifferent, like it's not happening, or you just keep your head down and pray, or you pray in those small vigil or whatever.

00:48:19.000 These things are very, very powerful, not passive actions.

00:48:22.000 I don't know what the right word is for this. 0.99

00:48:24.000 Passive resistance actions that make them look foolish. 0.99

00:48:28.000 You always want to reveal the fact that they, in fact, are the fool and that you, in fact, are not the fool. 0.99

00:48:34.000 And if you're based in the Lord, then that shouldn't be that hard because you have truth on your side.

00:48:39.000 Amen.

00:48:40.000 I agree, James.

00:48:41.000 You should say that more often.

00:48:43.000 I have a lot of things about this.

00:48:45.000 Let me give you another one because this comes up.

00:48:47.000 Sorry, I don't want to.

00:48:48.000 This comes up a lot.

00:48:49.000 A lot of people are very discouraged.

00:48:51.000 They're like, I hear this every day.

00:48:52.000 James, it's too late.

00:48:54.000 James is too late.

00:48:55.000 And you know what?

00:48:56.000 How much I love if it's a Christian who says, when other people say it, I've got to have this whole like thing.

00:49:01.000 If a Christian says this to me, it's so, I'm not being glib.

00:49:04.000 I honestly, genuinely mean it.

00:49:06.000 I'm speaking into their beliefs.

00:49:09.000 Why on earth would you doubt God's timing?

00:49:12.000 Have you not read Esther?

00:49:14.000 Are you not here for such a time as this?

00:49:17.000 This is so, so important for why the church is a unique element in being able to stand up to this because you have these teachings.

00:49:27.000 You have these beliefs.

00:49:29.000 That is what we're here at this conference to learn to do.

00:49:33.000 And I said once, I said, I wish more pastors had as much scriptural knowledge and clarity as James Lindsay.

00:49:39.000 And I got attacked like you wouldn't believe, but I will say it again.

00:49:42.000 All right, next question.

00:49:43.000 All right.

00:49:44.000 My name is Grant Raphael.

00:49:45.000 I'm from Hammond, Louisiana, and I'll be running for a state representative next election cycle.

00:49:50.000 Good for you.

00:49:54.000 And I also wanted to say I'm part of an organization called Louisiana Family Forum.

00:49:58.000 And so what we do in Louisiana, we bring a bunch of pastors to the Capitol.

00:50:01.000 We kind of show them the process of how bills are made, how they're voted on.

00:50:05.000 We introduce people to your legislators, your senators, your representatives on the local districts.

00:50:10.000 And I think it's a big deal because when we talk about Christians and pastors stepping into the gap, we tend to think about it on a federal, national, big-time level.

00:50:19.000 But what about our school boards?

00:50:21.000 What about our districts that we're in?

00:50:22.000 And so my question for you all is, what do y'all recommend for us where we're coming from all different states, all different areas?

00:50:28.000 When we go back home, how do we make that difference on our local school boards and districts?

00:50:33.000 Well, that's awesome.

00:50:34.000 Thank you for that question.

00:50:35.000 Thank you for running to serve your community.

00:50:38.000 And that's something people can do is they can start thinking about serving the community.

00:50:42.000 You actually already said, I belong to this organization.

00:50:44.000 These organizations can be started.

00:50:46.000 You might be the one that plants the organization.

00:50:48.000 And then I say this all over.

00:50:51.000 I don't usually say this for pastor groups or whatever, but I say this to political type people and to moms.

00:50:56.000 I work with Moms True Liberty a lot, for example.

00:50:58.000 And I tell them, what do average moms do? 0.54

00:51:00.000 What do average pastors do?

00:51:01.000 You know, I said earlier that you have to learn kind of how the woke think.

00:51:05.000 Read Rules for Radicals. 0.93

00:51:06.000 Read Beautiful Trouble.

00:51:07.000 Read some of their theories.

00:51:08.000 See what's in their head.

00:51:09.000 Understand their mentality.

00:51:10.000 You need to learn to read legislation.

00:51:13.000 You can't hold your lawmakers accountable.

00:51:15.000 You can't bring your biblical view to the state house if you don't know how to read legislation.

00:51:20.000 It's legalese.

00:51:21.000 You can learn how to read it, or somebody can.

00:51:23.000 You can meet.

00:51:24.000 You guys meet for Bible studies in small groups.

00:51:26.000 You can meet and study the founding documents of the United States.

00:51:28.000 You can meet and study the founding documents of your state.

00:51:32.000 These are actual civic duties.

00:51:33.000 There's no reason why you can't have a book club that focuses on the Declaration of Independence next week, for example.

00:51:39.000 Or not just at your Bible study.

00:51:41.000 Let's turn around and let's read the Constitution a little bit at the end and just see.

00:51:46.000 Maybe you separate the two, whatever you do.

00:51:48.000 These are things that you can do to start getting that civic engagement and to get that level of information up so that you can, when you join these groups or found these groups, you can start showing up and showing up informed and showing up useful because the legislative process, all these civic processes are slow and horrible and messy on purpose so that we don't lose control of our republic.

00:52:08.000 And so you've got to stay on the ball.

00:52:10.000 You've got to get organized.

00:52:12.000 You've got to have these organizations.

00:52:13.000 You've got to get money behind them.

00:52:15.000 You've got to start showing up and showing up with information and understanding of the process.

00:52:20.000 I listened to Byron Donald's talk a few weeks ago and he straight up said, if you don't stay on us, we will lose track of it.

00:52:25.000 There's too much going on.

00:52:26.000 If you think something's important in legislation, you need to get in there and be in there all the time.

00:52:31.000 But you've got to be informed.

00:52:32.000 If you're just some hillbilly showing up, it's not that good. 0.99

00:52:35.000 Two quick things.

00:52:36.000 TPSA Faith exists to help you guys better educate and empower.

00:52:40.000 And I encourage you to follow up with your representative.

00:52:42.000 And we'll be talking about that throughout.

00:52:44.000 I think you'll be blessed by it.

00:52:45.000 But the second thing is every one of you that are leading your congregations, you have to incorporate some sort of a civic ministry or a go-to item on weeknights, once a month, once a quarter, where you are presenting these ideas and you are challenging your congregation to stay locally involved.

00:53:01.000 It is not the most important thing your church will do, but it is very important, okay?

00:53:07.000 You need to be clear about the hierarchy, but it is very, very important.

00:53:11.000 Jesus is number one, and then you could decide where this comes down on the list, but to say that there is no place for it is incorrect theologically and I think spiritually.

00:53:19.000 Thank you so much.

00:53:20.000 Next question.

00:53:21.000 Yes, my name is Billy Dawes.

00:53:24.000 I'm one of those pastors that experienced an avalanche of wokeism and lost my position in the church.

00:53:30.000 Basically, I was discovered in Home Depot without a mask on.

00:53:36.000 My question is, we're hearing a lot about boycotts now.

00:53:43.000 Target, Disney.

00:53:45.000 Now I find out Chick-fil-A.

00:53:48.000 I can't get my chicken there anymore.

00:53:52.000 We've tried boycotts before.

00:53:55.000 What's going to make this any different?

00:53:56.000 Do you recommend it?

00:53:57.000 Is that something that we need to be supporting?

00:54:02.000 So two things.

00:54:03.000 The economy is in a far more fragile state than it was a couple of years ago.

00:54:07.000 So profits are shrinking.

00:54:08.000 And so any boycott is actually felt more right now by corporate America.

00:54:11.000 That's number one.

00:54:13.000 Number two, what makes this different?

00:54:15.000 I mean, Target's $108 billion company with 1,358 stores across the country.

00:54:21.000 They're holding emergency meetings.

00:54:24.000 They never should have said that because now all of a sudden we're like, oh, now there's blood in the water.

00:54:27.000 Now we realize that we can go after you.

00:54:30.000 And I'll be honest, what's different, and it is some, two things are different.

00:54:34.000 I think that the attitude, the spirit, the ethos, and the vigor of decent ordinary people is we are just so fed up and we're finally willing to draw a line.

00:54:43.000 I really see that.

00:54:44.000 I did not, it is a legitimate attitudinal shift that I did not see five years ago that I now see amongst a lot of people.

00:54:53.000 And the second part of this that I think is really important is that it involves children.

00:54:58.000 And it just, there's a much more tribal reaction when it involves children, which I fully support, by the way, where if you're going to, and James can riff on this for a second, I think he should.

00:55:09.000 It is not a mistake.

00:55:11.000 It is a strategy with precision to go after the grooming of children. 0.71

00:55:17.000 This is a movement of perverts who want to initiate your children away from a family bond into sexual encounters before they realize what's happening. 0.73

00:55:26.000 James, am I being hyperbolic when I say that? 0.98

00:55:28.000 No, you're exactly right.

00:55:29.000 I mean, you've said it well.

00:55:31.000 I don't need to belabor the point, but that's exactly what the program is.

00:55:34.000 And of course, it's designed to try to provoke a response that they can weaponize against us.

00:55:38.000 Now, breathe a little easier about Chick-fil-A because I got worse news for you that'll exonerate them a little bit.

00:55:45.000 What you're about to find out is that shorter like In-N Out Burger, every corporation's awoke.

00:55:50.000 They're all woke.

00:55:51.000 So our boycotts actually should be targeted and they create pressure.

00:55:54.000 Now, this is Alinsky, keep the pressure on that.

00:55:57.000 That's right.

00:55:58.000 So we've got a handful of these.

00:56:00.000 We're pressuring them hard.

00:56:01.000 We are not going to be able to successfully boycott every company, by the way.

00:56:05.000 And you're going to find out that the vast majority of companies are participating in this.

00:56:08.000 That makes the game something different.

00:56:10.000 And they are starting to see that we're in a different place.

00:56:12.000 We're not just more willing to draw the line that we actually know what's going on.

00:56:16.000 Two years ago, if I sat in front of you, maybe one year ago, and I said the letters ESG, I got 20 minutes of explaining to you.

00:56:21.000 And right now I say it, and most of you know, oh, this is some kind of weird scoring thing that these big entities and the globalists are using to mess around in the country.

00:56:30.000 Well, what it is is it's a social credit system that's working a cartel on our corporations, which means we see this very clearly and how it works.

00:56:36.000 The Bud Light protest or boycott actually exposed how it works, which means there's every reason in the world to start talking to your lawmakers and start talking to your attorneys general to start putting the pressure, get these executives.

00:56:49.000 Why did you do this?

00:56:50.000 See if you can get them to talk.

00:56:51.000 We are actually moving up the chain to be able to break the system that they are using.

00:56:56.000 Our corporations, some of them, I want to bring you a perspective shift.

00:56:59.000 You think that your corporation betrayed you?

00:57:01.000 I want you to imagine that you got a 15-year-old son and you live in a neighborhood in 1984 or something like this in New York City, and it's run by a heroin dealer, and the dealer knocks on your door and says, your boy is going to go sell this for me.

00:57:14.000 That's the position most of these corporations are in.

00:57:17.000 They are held hostage to a cartel logic.

00:57:20.000 We want to release, to free up, I don't want to use the word liberate, American productivity and growth again.

00:57:26.000 We want to break the cartel.

00:57:28.000 So if we put pressure on Anheuser-Busch and Anheuser-Busch happens to lose its little score, all of a sudden, it's corporate equality index score and its ESG rating.

00:57:37.000 All of a sudden, Senator Cruz can haul them in front of the Senate like he wants to and start asking pointed questions that reveal the whole scam.

00:57:43.000 So we are in a different knowledge position, not just a different cultural attitude, which means that we can act not just reaction, but with smart strategic action that might end this thing.

00:57:53.000 And it's a very different place to be.

00:57:55.000 But you can have your chicken.

00:57:56.000 They're all woke.

00:57:58.000 Find positive alternatives at publicsq.com, publicsquare app.

00:58:02.000 Every one of you should download the public square app.

00:58:05.000 They have tens of thousands.

00:58:06.000 It's a business directory of Christian patriotic businesses.

00:58:10.000 It's publicsq.com.

00:58:11.000 Download the app.

00:58:12.000 It is free.

00:58:13.000 They're growing like crazy.

00:58:15.000 They vet the companies.

00:58:17.000 The guy behind it's a dear friend.

00:58:18.000 He's a believer.

00:58:19.000 He actually goes to Pastor Juergen's Church, who's here somewhere, publicsq.com.

00:58:23.000 Okay, this will probably be the final question because I'm going to try to stay on time.

00:58:27.000 My name's Chad Green.

00:58:28.000 I'm a school board trustee at McKinney ISD in the state of Texas.

00:58:34.000 The only constitutionalist on the board.

00:58:37.000 We now have, after this last election, 340 constitutionalists in the state of Texas that are serving on school boards and trying to take those boards over.

00:58:47.000 So your staff member asked me to announce this.

00:58:50.000 We just in the last 30 hours passed the chaplain's bill in the state of Texas.

00:58:54.000 It is going and committed by the governor to be signed.

00:58:58.000 We will have chaplains in every elementary school, middle school, and high school in the state of Texas.

00:59:12.000 As well as HB 900 that Prevent all sexually explicit material from coming into the school has been approved and is going to the governor's desk.

00:59:24.000 And then SB 15 was passed that restricts the NCAA from allowing transgender athletes to compete against their counterparts and refuses to allow state schools to give scholarships to transgender athletes.

00:59:45.000 So my question is, being a chaplain and we have so many pastors here, this is so encouraging because we're, you know, just last night I'm sitting down at dinner.

00:59:55.000 I'm getting strategies of people that are being successful out there in impacting their community.

01:00:00.000 Is there something that we can all do together to put together a training for pastors on, hey, you need to have a legislative committee.

01:00:07.000 Here's how you set this up.

01:00:09.000 Here's who you contact to learn about how to read these things.

01:00:12.000 Here's the other actions you can do within the school.

01:00:14.000 Can we do that?

01:00:15.000 Just make sure you come to the afternoon sessions because we got David Barton, we have Rick Green, we got Rob.

01:00:21.000 They're going to walk through some of the details of that.

01:00:23.000 And you're right.

01:00:24.000 And that's what we want to try to offer you.

01:00:26.000 And we won't have time to go through all of it, but the buffet line will only increase with really amazing options throughout the afternoon.

01:00:36.000 So I'm sorry we're out of time.

01:00:38.000 We can't get to all the questions.

01:00:39.000 But James, any closing thoughts here?

01:00:40.000 Yeah, I want to end on that note of encouragement.

01:00:42.000 Listen to all these things that are getting passed, but even more importantly than all the successes legislatively, 340 constitutionalists are now on boards in the state of Texas.

01:00:52.000 Everybody got discouraged after the red wave allegedly didn't materialize in the election last year.

01:00:58.000 But if you stop and think about it and you stop and look and you look at where it matters at these local, these grassroots level elections, there was a gigantic red wave.

01:01:07.000 There was a gigantic wave to try to take this country back to the hands of good people that are under your pastorage or whatever it happens to be, if it's at your church, that are stepping up and getting civically active again.

01:01:20.000 So this is an incredible opportunity not to get discouraged, to feel very encouraged, and to step into the role of how are you at your church going to nourish the next guy who's going to step up into one of these roles?

01:01:31.000 How are you going to make sure that when he takes this role, this is something Charlie and I have talked about a lot, that what you do with civil power as a Christian is that you serve.

01:01:39.000 And you know what the order of the serving is, but that you're going to keep that servant mentality clear.

01:01:44.000 This is a role that every pastor can be doing to make sure that you're raising up the generation of grassroots leaders that are going to work their way up and going to be the state leaders.

01:01:51.000 They're going to work their way up and get into the federal apparatus.

01:01:53.000 And we're going to long march our way right back to a glorious nation.

01:01:59.000 James, I just want to say I think I speak for everybody here.

01:02:02.000 You're very special and you blessed us this morning.

01:02:04.000 And God bless you, James Lindsay.

01:02:06.000 Thank you, everybody.

01:02:10.000 Thanks so much for listening.

01:02:11.000 Everybody, email us your thoughts.

01:02:12.000 As always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:02:15.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - June 04, 2023

They Want You to Overreact — Live with Dr. James Lindsay at the TPUSA Pastor’s Summit

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