The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 10 — Fulton County Conspiracy? Maui’s True Culprit? Prohibition: Great Idea?

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, happy Saturday thought crime episode. 0.82

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00:01:08.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:41.000 Okay, it's Thursday and we are not yet in federal prison.

00:01:45.000 Welcome, everybody.

00:01:47.000 We have Blake Neff here, Sarab Sharma.

00:01:50.000 Did I say that right?

00:01:51.000 You did.

00:01:52.000 Who is our guest today?

00:01:54.000 And then Jack Posobic, still learning who he is.

00:01:56.000 Jack, how are you doing?

00:01:57.000 I'm really excited that Vivek Jr. was able to join the show today.

00:02:01.000 No, no, no.

00:02:02.000 I'm Sagar and Jetty, a different person.

00:02:04.000 Oh, is that right?

00:02:05.000 I think you're mildly.

00:02:07.000 No, no, I'm the editor of National Review, actually.

00:02:09.000 Ramesh Pandura.

00:02:10.000 Are you real?

00:02:10.000 Oh, okay.

00:02:11.000 You guys are all the same person.

00:02:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:12.000 Have you ever been in the room together?

00:02:14.000 Are you guys getting sick of all these Indians and Americans? 1.00

00:02:16.000 Politics now. 1.00

00:02:17.000 It's just about time.

00:02:17.000 It's only going to get worse.

00:02:18.000 You've already taken all the tech jobs.

00:02:20.000 They're here to do the needful for American politics.

00:02:23.000 That's right.

00:02:24.000 This whole green card thing.

00:02:25.000 Jobs that Americans simply won't do being a nativist. 0.66

00:02:28.000 Are you 100% Indian?

00:02:29.000 Absolutely.

00:02:29.000 Is that right?

00:02:32.000 Well, welcome.

00:02:33.000 All right.

00:02:34.000 So, what is our first?

00:02:35.000 By the way, who is this guy next to me?

00:02:38.000 It had to go, Charlie, after last week's Deep Web reveal kind of blew up in my face.

00:02:43.000 So, Blake does this Deep Web reveal.

00:02:43.000 Yeah.

00:02:45.000 I'm going to leave it at Blake.

00:02:46.000 About some sort of bearded cringe guy.

00:02:49.000 And I was like, Blake, that's a picture of you.

00:02:51.000 Let's get a, we got to bring it back.

00:02:52.000 No, no, no, we're not back.

00:02:54.000 We're moving on to the first topic right away.

00:02:56.000 And it was one of the great backfires.

00:02:58.000 I'm so glad I did it.

00:02:59.000 By the way, most deep web reveals are a chance to mercilessly mock me, right?

00:03:03.000 That's kind of the whole idea is because I don't really do the internet thing.

00:03:06.000 There was Blake Old and Blake 2.0.

00:03:09.000 How much better does he look, everybody, right?

00:03:11.000 Just so you know, that's not a meme.

00:03:13.000 That's just a picture of Blake from last week.

00:03:15.000 Though that's what I thought.

00:03:16.000 I thought it was like some sort of AI generated.

00:03:18.000 You know, dear Chat GPT, please construct me looking as if I haven't slept in a couple days.

00:03:25.000 And what Blake showed.

00:03:26.000 Only a couple?

00:03:27.000 What, Charlie, what would you, we got to rate Blake's looks now.

00:03:31.000 So what do we think?

00:03:32.000 Beard, no beard. 1.00

00:03:33.000 Well, in the non gayest way possible, I think Blake looks great. 1.00

00:03:38.000 Okay. 1.00

00:03:38.000 What about in the gayest way possible? 1.00

00:03:39.000 I was going to say the same thing. 1.00

00:03:41.000 The only thing I would say is, Blake, you should have gone, you should have, you should have baked the whole head, man.

00:03:46.000 Baked the entire day.

00:03:47.000 I should have, I should have.

00:03:48.000 I was running on time.

00:03:50.000 I was running on time.

00:03:51.000 By the way, we are taking active applications.

00:03:51.000 No beard.

00:03:53.000 If you want to become Blake's wife, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:03:57.000 He went to Dartmouth.

00:03:58.000 He has an IQ so high you can't count to that number.

00:04:02.000 Freedom at charliekirk.com. 1.00

00:04:03.000 The Asian. 1.00

00:04:06.000 Yeah, I know, Blake. 0.95

00:04:06.000 That's right. 0.95

00:04:07.000 We have to do a 23andMe genetics test.

00:04:09.000 I've already done it.

00:04:10.000 I've already done it.

00:04:11.000 I'm like 100% German. 0.78

00:04:13.000 So you gave your DNA to the CIA. 0.97

00:04:14.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.96

00:04:15.000 Or the Mormons. 0.87

00:04:16.000 Which one?

00:04:16.000 The ancestry is the Mormons.

00:04:17.000 Yeah, they'll go and like baptize you. 0.89

00:04:19.000 You pesky Mormons, Carol, always collecting our data. 1.00

00:04:22.000 It's something else. 1.00

00:04:23.000 All right.

00:04:23.000 What is our first topic?

00:04:25.000 Our first topic is, of course, like we sometimes try to stay away from the breaking news, but this week, You just have to.

00:04:31.000 It's Fanny's Fulton Funhouse.

00:04:33.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.91

00:04:33.000 Big Fanny Willis. 0.91

00:04:34.000 So, you know, the fourth and maybe final indictment of Trump.

00:04:38.000 I mean, who knows?

00:04:39.000 We'll probably get infinity of them.

00:04:41.000 But we got the fourth indictment of the four they were hyping up all year, came down from Fulton County.

00:04:46.000 It's probably the most far reaching of the four.

00:04:49.000 We've got 18 associates of Donald Trump, all charged with crimes.

00:04:54.000 They're charged as part of a RICO Act.

00:04:57.000 So, oh, is it RICO or RICO?

00:04:58.000 It's RICO.

00:04:59.000 RICO.

00:04:59.000 I don't care.

00:05:00.000 Well, so this is all.

00:05:01.000 Is it Fanny?

00:05:02.000 Is it Fanny? 0.85

00:05:03.000 Is it Rico?

00:05:04.000 Is it Rico?

00:05:05.000 You know, being 100% German, I don't know how to say these words.

00:05:09.000 Kiev or Kiev?

00:05:10.000 It's Kiev.

00:05:12.000 That's definitively.

00:05:12.000 Oh, see.

00:05:13.000 So you are big into pronunciations.

00:05:13.000 Okay.

00:05:15.000 It matters with Kiev because Kiev is a psyop by the globalists.

00:05:19.000 Whereas. 0.67

00:05:20.000 So her name is Fanny.

00:05:21.000 Who are mainly French.

00:05:21.000 She's actually a major.

00:05:22.000 No, we're not giving in on this point either. 1.00

00:05:24.000 It's Big Fanny Willis. 0.56

00:05:25.000 Big Fanny Willis.

00:05:26.000 Yeah.

00:05:26.000 We're in full agreement on this one.

00:05:27.000 That's right.

00:05:28.000 We're drawing. 1.00

00:05:29.000 Anyway, Fanny Willis is a big booty of charges. 1.00

00:05:33.000 Her name is Big Booty. 1.00

00:05:34.000 You got to be Big Fanny Jack. 0.98

00:05:36.000 You can't cross the line, all right? 0.93

00:05:38.000 Come on.

00:05:38.000 What do you think this is?

00:05:39.000 So, Fanny's pack of charges here has 19 total people, including Trump. 0.85

00:05:45.000 And she alleges this big sweeping national conspiracy Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan. 0.89

00:05:50.000 It's all roped in.

00:05:52.000 And the conspiratorial acts include asking for phone numbers.

00:05:58.000 That's right.

00:05:58.000 Mark Meadows asked Scott Perry for a phone number.

00:06:01.000 And that was part of a national conspiracy.

00:06:01.000 He asked for a phone number.

00:06:03.000 I love how they had to repeat it as if for emphasis in the indictment.

00:06:07.000 And this was a furtherance of the conspiracy.

00:06:08.000 Exactly.

00:06:09.000 Everything.

00:06:09.000 And then Trump tweeted about watching OAN, and that was part of the conspiracy.

00:06:15.000 He was watching a legislative hearing on OAN.

00:06:18.000 Maybe he could have watched normal OAN, but watching it with the hearing, it's not colluding.

00:06:23.000 I have to pause.

00:06:25.000 Jack, you've heard of OAN before, right?

00:06:27.000 So I was at OAN when Trump tweeted that people should watch OAN.

00:06:35.000 And no, I wasn't.

00:06:37.000 I have to go back and check, but I don't think I was actually covering that specific.

00:06:42.000 Shift when he's, you know, said to do it.

00:06:44.000 I don't know if I was on, but that being said, you know, the way OAN worked is sometimes you would record packages or like little clips that they would run throughout the day.

00:06:52.000 So it's very possible that Trump has been indicted for telling people to watch me on TV.

00:06:59.000 Amazing.

00:07:00.000 Really, that was the case.

00:07:02.000 Are you an unindicted co conspirator, Jack Posobic?

00:07:05.000 Is there something you want to tell us?

00:07:07.000 I think it's a mild miracle he's not already in jail, but I mean, it's amazing, right?

00:07:10.000 Like I came up in the Mueller investigation, I'm in like the first section of that.

00:07:15.000 I'm on like every other hit list under the sun.

00:07:19.000 It's, I'm actually kind of, it's, I feel like I haven't been trying hard enough to be honest.

00:07:24.000 The Gen 6 committee was playing my video over and over.

00:07:27.000 I, I, I'm not even a co conspirator.

00:07:29.000 Like, I've been lazy, guys.

00:07:31.000 What can I say?

00:07:32.000 Took a couple years off, had kids.

00:07:34.000 I don't know, grew a beard.

00:07:35.000 He's losing his touch.

00:07:36.000 He's losing his touch.

00:07:37.000 No, really losing his touch.

00:07:39.000 So, Rob, I kind of wrote this as an over the top, exaggerated question, but in a weird way, it's really true.

00:07:44.000 Like, is this like, it's an attempt to basically scuttle a presidential candidate? 0.62

00:07:50.000 It's a very direct attack on First Amendment rights of speech and the right to petition the government for redressive grievances, which is usually not in much dispute in America.

00:07:59.000 So, like, where does this rank as like an act of aggression against the American constitutional system?

00:08:05.000 It's basically just low IQ political warfare. 0.70

00:08:09.000 I actually lived in Fulton County for like six years, and it's one of these classic upper middle class, you know, centrist suburbs that probably the second this woman got on the ballot thought that she was the greatest thing since sliced. 0.90

00:08:21.000 Spread. 1.00

00:08:22.000 This is the state that keeps giving you Stacey Abrams, and this is why we have to deal with Miss Fannie Willis. 1.00

00:08:28.000 Democrats have dozens and dozens and dozens of these people across the country, sort of basically lawfare activists in district attorney's offices whose job it is to harass their political opponents.

00:08:40.000 And you see it in states that you don't expect.

00:08:42.000 You see it in red states most of all, especially red states with urban areas.

00:08:46.000 And this woman is, to be entirely clear, a dyed in the wool activist.

00:08:50.000 Her degree is from Howard University. 0.95

00:08:53.000 That's an HBCU, right?

00:08:55.000 Yeah.

00:08:57.000 Known for creating many truly, truly excellent prosecutors. 0.95

00:09:02.000 And her dad was a Black Panther. 1.00

00:09:04.000 And she has basically made it clear that her entire goal in office is to go after the enemies of the Democratic Party.

00:09:12.000 And this rushed, low IQ indictment is the biggest proof of it. 0.96

00:09:16.000 When I think of legal excellence, I think of HBCUs. 0.97

00:09:16.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:09:20.000 Totally.

00:09:21.000 For me, this is like the spirit airlines of indictments.

00:09:21.000 Yeah.

00:09:26.000 The DMV of indictments.

00:09:30.000 Just, I mean, you could go down the list.

00:09:33.000 It's really endless.

00:09:35.000 But when I think- The ET Image Awards of indictments?

00:09:37.000 Yes, exactly.

00:09:38.000 Exactly.

00:09:39.000 But when I think- When I read Norm Eisen's report, his op-ed this morning in the New York Times, because I've learned that the way to find what the left is doing is just read whatever Norm Eisen is saying, because he's got an IQ that's like two points ahead of the rest of him.

00:09:55.000 So he's like 117.

00:09:58.000 And he's sitting there going in the New York Times, and he's just talking about how much he loves this indictment.

00:10:04.000 And it's great because it charged everybody.

00:10:06.000 And they have this really novel legal theories.

00:10:08.000 It's so insane.

00:10:09.000 And he's looking at this thing, and he's like, wow, Norm Eisen is just eyeing up Fannie Willis' big, big booty of charges and saying, I love this.

00:10:21.000 He can't talk about anything else.

00:10:22.000 The real question that I have left is can she back it up?

00:10:26.000 In court, that is. 0.93

00:10:29.000 Can she back that up?

00:10:31.000 She has to because we need, you know, reality converges on what's funny.

00:10:35.000 That's one of the reasons Trump became president. 0.57

00:10:37.000 And so we are hurtling towards this reality that needs to come into existence, which is Fannie Willis needs to run for Senate or governor of Georgia because when she runs, we'll be able to get fanny pack.

00:10:57.000 And it just needs to happen.

00:10:58.000 That reality needs to come into existence.

00:11:00.000 And so that makes me worry because. 0.98

00:11:02.000 I feel like in that case, we do need this case, it's going to have to get along far enough that she'll be able to run for Senate.

00:11:08.000 So, like, the laws of reality ordain that this case will be with us for a while.

00:11:11.000 How funny would it be if Fannie Willis becomes like a statewide elected official in Georgia before Stacey Abrams?

00:11:18.000 That would also be really funny. 0.95

00:11:20.000 She's going to be the next governor of Georgia, isn't she?

00:11:22.000 Like, it's too funny to not happen.

00:11:25.000 Rule of funny. 0.99

00:11:25.000 We're screwed. 0.99

00:11:26.000 This stinks. 0.99

00:11:27.000 So, apparently, I was going to say the clip. 0.91

00:11:30.000 I think we do have a clip because, like, she can't read. 0.92

00:11:33.000 Like, she literally can't read.

00:11:35.000 I haven't seen this.

00:11:37.000 Well, so let's.

00:11:37.000 I don't know if we have that clip, but I do want to make sure everyone is clear because I was educated on Georgia politics today by Colton Moore, who is doing his job as a state representative.

00:11:47.000 Apparently, there is a RICO case also pending against Young Thug and Young Blood.

00:11:54.000 Yeah.

00:11:55.000 Was it Young Blood?

00:11:56.000 Something like that.

00:11:57.000 Yeah, Young Blood.

00:11:57.000 It was Young Blood.

00:11:58.000 Young Thug.

00:12:00.000 Young Thug Blood.

00:12:01.000 Something like that.

00:12:02.000 Anyway, well, what's great about it is it's also a RICO, RICO, I don't care, case.

00:12:07.000 And it's like the largest trial in Georgia history.

00:12:10.000 Like it's jury selections and going on for months or I think almost a year even.

00:12:14.000 And these are actual crimes, right?

00:12:17.000 Yeah, you know, yeah, actual stuff is involved.

00:12:19.000 And it's expected like the trial itself will go on for months.

00:12:22.000 And that's what's really fascinating with this indictment is why they went after 18 people.

00:12:26.000 It's not just a matter of like, oh, we have to get everyone in Trump's orbit, though it is that.

00:12:31.000 It's also that they, like, simply by trying all of these, you know, nearly two dozen people together all at once, they guarantee that this trial just goes on and on and on.

00:12:42.000 And to the extent that this is all partly about 2024, they make Trump be kind of stuck in court or at least obsessed with court happenings.

00:12:51.000 Four months on end instead of campaigning for the White House.

00:12:55.000 Partly about 2024.

00:12:59.000 The whole thing is.

00:13:00.000 Okay, so let's play a piece of tape here.

00:13:04.000 Is this one where Fannie is struggling to read?

00:13:06.000 Okay.

00:13:07.000 They're all Fannie's struggling to read. 0.82

00:13:09.000 Play cut 96.

00:13:10.000 The grand jury issued arrest warrants for those who are charged.

00:13:15.000 I am giving the defendants the opportunity to voluntarily surrender no later than noon.

00:13:21.000 It's a very important flip.

00:13:26.000 Wakanda Forever.

00:13:27.000 That's what that sounds like. 0.99

00:13:28.000 She might as well.

00:13:29.000 So, Rob, you can get away with the most commentary here.

00:13:32.000 What do your passions tell you? 0.60

00:13:34.000 Part of the reason I find her so funny is because she's part of this class of people that are trying to basically bring Wakanda Forever into American politics.

00:13:44.000 So, like, she's been profiled before in Time Magazine, and in it, she was talking about how her name is very Afrocentric and that her middle name, which is Typha.

00:13:55.000 And I believe her first name as well are Swahili.

00:13:58.000 So there's a lot of weird psychological stuff going on here. 0.63

00:14:01.000 And I just, you know, I don't have a hard time blaming her because, you know, English isn't her first language, Wakandan is. 0.91

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00:14:11.000 I didn't realize you guys had the same middle name.

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00:15:15.000 Okay, I'm told we have to back it up.

00:15:17.000 That's what I'm told.

00:15:18.000 All right, let's play Cut 90.

00:15:20.000 That I am told, this is hearsay, but I am told by a reliable source that Friday evening, somebody from Washington called the district attorney in Atlanta and said, you have to indict on Monday.

00:15:32.000 We have to cover up all of the mistakes we just made with Weiss.

00:15:37.000 And she said, apparently, my jurors aren't coming back till Tuesday.

00:15:41.000 And they said, you didn't hear me.

00:15:42.000 You have to indict on Monday.

00:15:45.000 And she said, Well, they're not going to get here before noon.

00:15:47.000 They said, It doesn't matter.

00:15:49.000 She said, This means it's going to be eight or nine or 10 o'clock at night.

00:15:52.000 She said, It doesn't matter.

00:15:54.000 We need the news media shifting.

00:15:56.000 Who made that phone call?

00:15:58.000 We don't know.

00:16:00.000 And I'm telling you up front, this is hearsay, but it's from a person who has remarkably good judgment.

00:16:04.000 I totally believe it, though, because that would explain why they leaked and they messed up on the clerk document, why she was exhausted, and why they had the 11 p.m. press conference, Mr. Speaker.

00:16:14.000 Jack, take it and run.

00:16:15.000 No, I was going to say.

00:16:16.000 So, this is actually really important.

00:16:20.000 And, you know, kudos to you for the scoop earlier today on this that we have completely forgotten about the special counsel and Hunter Biden.

00:16:32.000 I don't even think conservative media, anyone on conservative media, talked about the Hunter Biden case, the Hunter Biden special counsel anywhere this entire week until you and Newt brought it up.

00:16:45.000 And you know what?

00:16:46.000 The minute that I heard that earlier today, when I saw this clip and I was watching your show, that it just hit me.

00:16:53.000 It's this is exactly why they did it.

00:16:56.000 That's why they rushed it through.

00:16:57.000 Because, Charlie, you remember, and we try to plan our show out the same way you do.

00:17:00.000 We know that, okay, the grand jury is going to be meeting.

00:17:03.000 They just set down a new one.

00:17:04.000 They expire at the end of August.

00:17:06.000 So they've got a couple more weeks charges.

00:17:08.000 You know, we've been hearing through our source.

00:17:10.000 We were told midweek, but then all of a sudden they come Monday.

00:17:14.000 And oh, by the way, they're making mistakes.

00:17:16.000 They got this clerk down in Fulton County.

00:17:18.000 I thought we were going to have another pipe explosion.

00:17:20.000 no,it wasn't a pipe explosion.she said she hitsend instead of hitting save when she waspiping up the documentbecause it turns out that they already knew the chargesbefore the jury even finished.then the judge holds everyone until midnight,acts like it's totally normal,acts like it's just normal course of business.oh,

00:17:37.000 we're just,you know,we're just doing,going through the motions down here in Fulton County like we would for anybody else.none of them ever steps back and says this is completely insane.this is like indicting an entire football team all at once.why is the urgency?what point of this?it's all about the news cycle. It's all about the news cycle. We have Evita Duffy from The Federalist on,

00:17:57.000 and this has been her thesis from the start that they keep doing this over and over. Something bad happens to Hunter, you indict Trump. And I hadn't actually connected these two because it had happened on Friday. I think Newt is 100% right. Blake. So, stepping back in the bigger picture is sort of the debate here is that's really been going on even before any charges were brought, which is the entire prosecution of Trump from all these angles, Bragg, D.C.,

00:18:25.000 Fulton County. Even the civil cases out of New York. Is it at all centrally planned or coordinated? Whether this specific version is true or not, is there some brain trust, whether it's one person or 10 people or 50 people,

00:18:40.000 Where they really at some point strategize, like, okay, we're going to want to roll out these indictments so they're not simultaneous, so that all of our trials are spaced out over the course of 2024 to maximize the distraction power and really make sure we get the most out of this pot as possible by all working together?

00:18:58.000 And is that what's taking place?

00:19:01.000 And I go back and forth.

00:19:03.000 It does seem like the reaction to Alvin Bragg's one was so muted.

00:19:07.000 I could buy it, as the DOJ and Fulton County were in full collusion.

00:19:11.000 And then Alvin Bragg comes in like fat Albert and is like, hey, hey, hey, I got an indictment. And blew the whole thing up. And they all got really annoyed at him. I believe this is centralized. Somebody is harmonizing and conducting this. And I think the evidence was let's have the weakest indictment. With the craziest prosecutor go first,

00:19:34.000 which was Alvin Bragg, move the Overton window to pave the way, right? He's the fullback of the indictments so that he could block the linebacker, to use the football analogy, so that then Jack Smith can then follow through, right? Because it went Alvin Bragg, documents,

00:19:50.000 January 6th, Fannie Willis, Big Fannie Willis. Yes, sir. This is also the indictment designed to make all of the past indictments easier. The wide sweep that they've done with almost anyone who's even tangentially provided the former president legal help over the last few years is designed to send a very clear message. If you. Give legal services to President Trump to help him with any of these other cases,

00:20:16.000 being a presidential nominee, being a general election candidate, being involved in helping defend him in court at all, you will be attacked. Your families will be hurt. There will be protesters in front of your door every single day. There will be nails in your driveway. You will spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees. None of that is me inventing anything. That's just what I've heard of what one lawyer is experiencing,

00:20:39.000 John Eastman, and how his family's been harassed. Decent, normal, patriotic, frankly dorky academic lawyers who just were providing the president legal counsel and advice who have been swept up in this. And the process is the punishment. None of these people are independently wealthy,

00:20:54.000 and it's designed to draw away resources, time, and energy that could be devoted to actually implementing a future conservative administration's agenda or providing the Republican nominee adequate legal representation during what every election is going to be moving forward, which is a contested one. There's always A trillion lawsuits that fly left and right in any presidential election. And this is designed to make sure that the president does not have good legal representation next time. Yeah. I mean,

00:21:23.000 I know a top tier lawyer that was reached out to by the Trump team, top tier, former DOJ guy. And I spoke to him off the record about a month and a half ago. I said, Hey, I think you'd be great. I mean, he was, you would really help the Trump team. He'd be amazing. And he's like, Yeah, I'm not going to do it. I was like, Why? He's like, Look, I like Trump. He's like, There's something I really don't like about him. He's like, The money would be good. He's like, But I would get. In bar complaints, and my reputation would be destroyed. And he's like, That's it's just not for me. That's a real thing. I mean,

00:21:53.000 what they've done to really isolate Donald Trump, and I mean, I don't want to say any in particular, but if you talk to any sophisticated lawyer, I don't know a ton, but I know enough to be dangerous. Donald Trump's team is made fun of constantly. Is that fair to say, Blake? Like, in serious legal minds, they're like, A better legal team could crush these indictments. Like, if you had 10 out of 10 lawyers, you could come in and you could countersue and you'd be taken seriously. There is a That's an interesting thing I want to explore,

00:22:21.000 Blake. One of the reasons why Donald Trump is in such legal jeopardy is because he does not have the highest quality legal counsel. Is that fair? It's very fair. And it's a mix of this really intense aggression. I think one big episode in 2020 was I can't remember the firm off the top of my head,

00:22:39.000 but they did retain one of the elite white shoe firms for some of their election cases. And the backlash was so intense. The firm comes out and announces we're not going to do any more cases contesting an election from here on out. And of course,

00:22:53.000 I imagine they'll be perfectly happy to do so if the DNC pays them to do it in 24 or 28. And so that really active aggression, all these bar complaints, and even it's one of the less commented on parts of the Fulton case is part of the conspiracy claim. And I think actually it's one of the direct charges,

00:23:11.000 one of the like false statements, is they just straight up say, like, you know, these attorneys for Trump filed a legal case that made false statements. Yes. Which, you know, any lawsuit is going to involve two competing versions of the truth. We don't traditionally. You know, sacrifice the losers like they're a losing Mesoamerican ball sport team. And, but now apparently we do if they're related to Trump. And they're really sending the message of if you're a lawyer and anywhere in the orbit,

00:23:41.000 anywhere in the universe of the Trump world, you're just not going to have a career ever again. So, Jack, let's build this out. You and I both know several of the people involved in this Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, and they will tell you privately and publicly that they have to be told no 40 times before they find a lawyer. And the blue chip law firms want nothing to do. So, I'll just give you an example, right? So,

00:24:09.000 Andrew Gillum, Was indicted by the federal government on all sorts of different types of stuff. Mark Elias came in and represented him, who is a great lawyer, and he had a great supporting cast. And Andrew Gillum beat the charges,

00:24:22.000 and the DOJ is probably not going to retry them. And so you can win, especially when it's political and it depends on the venue. But there's this thing called the 65 Project, which is a bipartisan effort to make sure that Donald Trump or anyone around Donald Trump does not have legal representation. This is the Barry lead here,

00:24:40.000 Jack. They have awful indictments. On top of lawyers that they're not as good as it gets. And now this is interesting because I'll just finish the point. The audience might say, How big of a difference is a good lawyer or a bad lawyer? As someone who's been around for 11 years, it makes a whole difference. Okay. It's like the whole ballgame. I mean, having, if you've ever fought the government or had to ever contest anything, the quality of a lawyer is everything. Jack Posobic. Here, real quick,

00:25:06.000 you can bring up the 65 Project website here just so they can see. Jack. I want to, man, I want to say something. So I've sat through all of the. So called Trump indictment that have gone to trial in Washington,

00:25:22.000 D.C., that have led to this. And when I say the Trump indictment, I mean the indictments of everyone who's been in the Trump that, going back to Paul Manafort, I sat through the Paul Manafort case. It goes to 2018. I sat through Flynn's hearings. He didn't actually go to trial. Roger Stones,

00:25:37.000 Eve Bannon. I was at the George Papadopoulos hearings. Probably a bunch that I'm not even thinking of at this point because who can even keep track of that crap. And the point is that. I've seen lawyers who seem like they're absolutely fantastic,

00:25:54.000 who really bring things that are totally just well put together, well structured. They've got the, because people don't understand that you've got to do a ton of work just to show up in court. It's not a movie. This isn't the Lincoln lawyer where you can just like operate out of the backseat of your car and go in and win cases against the government. It's not like that. Okay. And,

00:26:16.000 you know, no, with all apologies to Michael Connolly, who I'm a huge fan of his work. That in the federal, when you're going up against the federal government that has literally unlimited resources, and you know, you sort of got the federal government junior in the case of New York District as well as Fulton County here, because you know that they're all, and they basically all said publicly at this point that they're all sharing information. So Fannie Willis is getting information from Jack Smith,

00:26:45.000 and they're all polluting, etc. Jack, I got to interrupt you. We have some, yes, go ahead, finish with that. We have some breaking news. I'm just going to say I've seen both, and the That when you're on the wrong side of a bad lawyer, it's like, just plead guilty. Like,

00:27:00.000 maybe you'll get a better sentence out of it. I don't know. So, breaking news as if the DOJ is not completely compromised, judges and all. Breaking in the last couple seconds, federal judge in Delaware has now dismissed without prejudice for venue reasons the tax charges against Hunter Biden. Might not be as bad as it looks. It looks like this is a motion from the U.N. Of course,

00:27:26.000 it looks bad. Okay. But it's a motion from the United States, and it states the United States has moved, quote, to voluntarily dismiss the information filed in the above captioned matter without prejudice. That means it can be brought again,

00:27:39.000 so that the United States can bring tax charges in a district where venue lies. Venue is where you're charging a person. So the immediate reading might be that they just plan to charge Hunter with tax violations in a different district. So why did they file it in Delaware then originally? I don't know. I don't know enough to obviously. I don't know enough to obviously have to file it in the place where the crime took place. But go ahead,

00:28:02.000 Jack. I think the reason that it started in Delaware was because Barr had initially assigned it there to this is where Weiss came from, who at the time was the U.S. Attorney for Delaware, that specific district. And now he has been made a special counsel because this all, remember, this all came to a head when that sweetheart plea deal was completely blown up in court. And essentially the judge said, well, no,

00:28:27.000 this doesn't cover future charges. So, Blake, to your point about, About prejudice being very important as to whether or not the charges can be rebrought in another district or even that district. What's really going on here is jurisdiction shopping and judge shopping because a special counsel has the ability to bring these in different areas. This was actually,

00:28:49.000 by the way, one of the things that the IRS whistleblowers brought up way back when we had those hearings was because the fact that they wanted Weiss to be a special counsel. Because they thought it would be about bringing more charges against Hunter. Now it turns out that it's not about that. It's about taking this sweetheart deal and bringing it to either a jurisdiction or a different judge that will basically rubber stamp. Yeah,

00:29:17.000 this is bad. We'll see. So then, therefore, Blake, it will take the DOJ to refile charges in a different venue? Yeah. And I'm not sure where that would be. Probably DC, if anybody. It could be DC. It could be New York. It could be any. I mean,

00:29:31.000 it could even be that they decide you were living in California when you did it. He does have a good habit. I remember looking this up when I was trying to see if we could charge Hunter in any random place. And he does unfortunately have a habit of committing his crimes in blue states. Almost intentionally. Maybe he received a wire when he was in Arkansas. Don't hold your breath,

00:29:49.000 though. So, anyway, that was some breaking news here. We'll keep our eyes on that. So, Rob, do you have any comments on any of this? I just think it's worth comparing the quality of legal representation that Hunter Biden gets and the president gets. Oh, that's a riff on that. The worst thing that's going on in the legal profession right now for the right of center is that if you are someone at the top of your profession, you're a partner at one of these big firms,

00:30:16.000 whether it's Sullivan and Cromwell or Paul Weiss or Cooper and Kirk or Jones Day, whatever it might be, on the left of center, the left of center partners could represent the worst, most heinous, rapist, terrorist, pedophile the world has ever seen. And they will get showered with legal accolades and glory for. Being part of ensuring that we have a proper system of justice in this country. In fact,

00:30:41.000 they were all through the 2000s and early 2010s. You would see these lawyers who were getting paid millions and millions of dollars at their firm get awarded plenty of time to do pro bono hours to support the people who blew up the Twin Towers,

00:30:56.000 basically. Now, if you are someone who is a lawyer, and let's be honest, most lawyers are risk averse people who went into that profession for its stability and consistency. It has been made very clear to you that you cannot be involved on the right of center. That's correct. But if it's to defend the basket case son of the former president,

00:31:17.000 if anything, it is a career bonus. No, I mean, let's even be more specific. Ted Kaczynski received better legal help than Donald Trump will. I mean, your average BLM store looter got better legal help than Trump. Yes. They're all getting million dollar payouts from New York City now. No doubt. Your average illegal alien gets better legal representation than Donald Trump does because of the nonprofits on the border. That's right, Jack.

00:31:42.000 When I was at Guantanamo Bay, this came up frequently where we would have lawyers traveling down to meet with their defendants who were the detainees.

00:31:51.000 These were some of the most high powered lawyers.

00:31:53.000 They were making cases out of it.

00:31:55.000 Some of the ones who have been released have gone on to write books.

00:31:59.000 Jordan Peterson interviewed this one just absolute fabulous storyteller detainee who got out and just made up a ton of stuff in his book and was able to be out there.

00:32:10.000 And these were people, and the media would repeat everything they said about brands in the toilet and sharing Harry Potter books.

00:32:18.000 And actually, they did read Harry Potter books, but Twilight Books was a big lie that they spread at one point.

00:32:24.000 And so I remember seeing this going like.

00:32:28.000 Did these guys know what these people are here for?

00:32:31.000 Like, they're totally cool with that. Like, and I get, yeah, everybody deserves a defense. I get that. But really made me ask that question. And okay, I say, all right, everyone deserves a defense. But then you realize that for a lot of these lawyers, it's about getting a career by saying, oh,

00:32:45.000 I beat the U.S. government. And now we're at a point where I think I just saw earlier today that there's a plea deal in the work for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and some of the other actual planners of 9 11 so that they would be. um, they would be spared the death penalty.amazing.that's incredible.okay, let's get an ad in here. uh,Field of Greens. who has that?Jack, is that, is that you?yeah, yeah, yeah.give me, let me give you two secondsbecause I'm,

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00:34:46.000 I think someone made a certain funny video of Fannie Willis speaking with the fire alarm going off. Wouldn't know who it is. I thought that was Joy Roy Reed's living room. I didn't notice that. Can we play that clip again? Because I just didn't notice that. The grand jury issued arrest warrants for those who are charged. I am giving the defendants the opportunity to voluntarily surrender no later than noon. Okay,

00:35:15.000 Maui. Maui. All right. Yeah, I don't hear it in the clip, by the way. I think that's the wrong clip. Uh-oh. Well, so Maui had a tragic fire this past week. It's very bad. It's 111 confirmed dead last I checked, and there's like 1,000 people still missing. So we could end up in a situation where this is like a 9-11 level catastrophe. So very tragic. We're very respectful of that. But obviously,

00:35:40.000 any disaster gets immediately politicized in often disturbing ways. And so naturally, the one that comes to mind with any natural disaster is. Global warming was related to it somehow. So, a lot of people claimed this. The governor of Hawaii said that climate change was driving this because it caused the fire hurricane to take place. Even ABC News was unimpressed by that. They did a little article that said fire hurricanes aren't real,

00:36:05.000 but they still asserted that. But what's becoming more worrisome is it seems that whatever the natural causes of the fire, it was definitely exacerbated by what seems to be ideology and Incompetence within Maui's government. So, first of all, the chief emergency management officer of Maui, Herman Ndia, is a guy with a law degree and a political science degree. And as a guy who has a political science degree,

00:36:32.000 they're not impressive. Even from Dartmouth. Even from Dartmouth. They call it a government degree. You went to UT, right? I did. I went to state school. Not as fancy as Mr. Neff here. At Dartmouth, they call it a government degree, which kind of obscures how stupid they are. But they are still stupid. They do that at UT also. You ruling class people with your Pieces of paper. It's ghastly. It's ghastly. Anyway, he has a political science degree and a law degree,

00:36:57.000 and then he somehow is Maui's emergency manager. He assured us that he watched many online FEMA trainings and workshops. And so he was the guy in charge of their big emergency response. He's the guy who made the call to not sound their warning sirens. Which,

00:37:14.000 in all fairness, I could see both sides of the argument. I've heard from locals he's not totally. There's an argument both ways, so we won't drag him too much for that, but there's probably other stuff we don't know about. The other big thing is their water resources division. Yeah, this went viral, my boyfriend. This went viral, yes. So we have the Hawaii Department of Land and Natural Resources. You know, they have limited water in Hawaii, they have to manage it a bit. And as these fires are breaking out, these landowners are begging the land department hey, can we take some of the water that we have, you know,

00:37:43.000 stockpiled and use it to fight this fire? And the state water official in question that they spoke to, according to local media reporting on this, was a guy, M. Kaleo Manuel. He has a degree in Hawaiian studies. And he has very interesting ideas about water,

00:38:01.000 which do we still have that clip available? I think it was clip 80. Oh, yeah, 90? Yeah, these are pagan earth worshipers. Play cut 80. The commission is responsible per our authorizing statute to protect and manage all water resources in the state. One water is like taking it and looking at it from a holistic system perspective. You know,

00:38:21.000 in essence, we treated it, Native Hawaiians treated water as one of the earthly manifestations of a god and a kua kane. Become used to looking at water as something which we use and not necessarily something that we revere as that thing that gives us life,

00:38:40.000 right? I mean, to me, it's a shift in value set. So, really, my model is always like, let water connect us and not divide us. Like, we can share it, but it requires true conversations about equity. That's just a bunch of pagan crap. Now, we highlighted this. This guy highlighted on Media Matters. You can bring it up on the laptop. Yeah, no, because I went all out. Yeah, we just went like, okay, this guy is saying, like, You know, water is a manifestation of the deity, and we need to revere the water, not use the water. And, you know,

00:39:08.000 he revered the water all the way until 106 people died, it turns out, because he turned down the request for the water. And then this fire ended up exploding out of control, killing a ton of people. And it doesn't even stop there. The Hawaiian Electric, the local power company, they've known for years that they have these invasive grasses that are growing all over Hawaii. They're very much a fire hazard. And everyone kind of knows about it. They've been having years of warnings like, this is going to burn up. And they're growing a lot around our electric wires,

00:39:37.000 which spark and will cause fires. And over the last few years, Hawaiian Electric spent a grand total of maybe like $225,000 on fire mitigation. And they spent a lot more than that on what Hawaii really cares about,

00:39:52.000 which is they're one of the first states to pass a decree that all electricity has to be renewable by some distant date in the future. I think 2045 is Hawaii's case. And so they spent a lot of money on that because the Hawaiian lawmakers are very concerned with that. And the good news for them is they're apparently going to need a lot less electrical power now because they have. Screwed up massively enough that they burned down much of the island of Maui. Yeah,

00:40:17.000 I mean, this feels like government incompetency and ideology. So, Rob, your reaction. This is what it's like to live in a country that is getting worse. You know, we had 50 years of highly competent young men who served in a couple of wars who came back to the country and just wanted to have a middle class income and help maintain our basic infrastructure,

00:40:37.000 whether it was our electricity, our sewage, our cities, towns, et cetera. Now, those people are retiring and they're passing away and they're being replaced by people like that. Very fruity sounding gentleman we just heard from. And everything is going to get much,

00:40:52.000 much worse. It's going to get slower. It's going to get less consistent. And the task of building Western civilization becomes impossible when you have incompetent people like this running around. The ideologization of energy can sound like a normie Republican issue at some point, but it is actually a big problem because without stable, consistent energy, none of this works. Human civilization is not possible, certainly not on a tiny island, a six hour flight away from the mainland continent. If anything,

00:41:19.000 I'd be much more precious if I was Hawaii with having really competent infrastructure in place. I'm sure it's possible to attract really high quality engineers. They can get a nice house on the beach, whatever, put the competent guys in charge of that as opposed to dumb ideologues who majored in Hawaiian studies. It's very much going under the radar. But for example,

00:41:39.000 I just brought up an article because I remembered reading it. And in the 12 years from 2012 to 2022, power outages went up 64% in the United States. Our population did not go up 64%. The power outages. That's that style, baby. Yeah. And it's just, it's not super bad yet. Like most of us do not, you know, we're not in South Africa where it's out eight hours a day or more. But there is like, you know, we used to be able to take for granted that certain services would just impeccably run,

00:42:07.000 like just perfectly. It was a freak incident if the lights went out. And now it's just here and there, there's problems. And a lot of things are running on these like old boomers and Gen X types who are just highly capable of trading out. So there's something, and you're familiar with this, Sarab, because you've run in some of these circles. Jack, you've heard this. What is it? Eric Weinstein, not Brett Weinstein, has a thing called the ego, the embedded growth obligation. You've heard this, Saurabh? Definitely. Yeah, it's in a lot of those kind of like new right circles. And I think it's actually really smart,

00:42:36.000 which is a lot of boomers had the ego, which is that everything just automatically gets better because we're in America. And it's almost Hegelian in some ways, actually, that kind of like arc of history. And eventually it's just going to keep getting better. But Jack, that's actually not a guarantee. It's like thesis,

00:42:52.000 power, antithesis, darkness. And you mash it together and the synthesis. This synthesis is South Africa rolling blackouts, Maui and trans kids. So, Jack, there's so much. Sarab makes the smartest point here, which I think I want to explore,

00:43:07.000 which is it's actually really hard for some of our older listeners. Not hard, but I have to fight to kind of get this to be to a place of agreement. And I think, Sarab, you know what I'm going to say, which is people don't like to hear that the country's actually getting worse. Jack Posobic. Well, so I'll bring up two things. One, just to go back to what you said about water, that I don't know if a lot of people have seen this. I retweeted it earlier because Pulsi Gabbard is there. Now,

00:43:33.000 she represented Maui in Congress. I think she was there. Return. So eight years, Maui was always, I don't know if it was pretty distant, et cetera, but basically, this was her area. And she's actually on the ground. He was interviewing a guy who was saying that when he first went to fight the fire,

00:43:51.000 he said, Well, the fire wasn't big and it had just gotten to my backyard. So I went to grab my hose and I would, I thought I'd put the hose on the fire, fire to go out, turn the hose on, hose didn't work. I think, Oh my gosh. So what am I going to do? Go inside, fill up a bucket, try to do that. Now that, now that doesn't work. Bathtub, et cetera, doesn't work. So he says, Okay, finally, I see a fire truck. Fire truck goes to the fire hydrant. We all see fire hydrants. We all have them around. We all just assume that that will work if there's a fire, right? You know, this is basic stuff that, you know,

00:44:21.000 going back to, you know, Charlie, you're from Chicago. This has always been around, right? You know, fires have always been around. John Adams and the great fire of the colony. It did destroy the Chicagoland air, the entire Chicago. Well,

00:44:34.000 that's what I mean. This isn't a new problem. It's a phenomenon. Yes, I know. It's done a new phenomenon that we're trying to solve here. The fire truck went to the fire hydrant, no water pressure. The water didn't come out. Just imagine that happening in the United States in the current moment. And so, what I mean to say is that, yeah, you can believe in this sort of like, you know, full on, always upward trajectory of history, this, you know, art history always bending towards moral justice,

00:45:04.000 kind of like Obama and MLK sort of thing. But this is German philosophic trash. There's also a great theory out there, a great theory out there called the theory of the fourth turning. And I have, 1.00

00:45:20.000 and it's actually, I mean, you can go into older belief cycles that talk about this, and people have laid it out in different ways, but it's basically a secular view of history where basically societies, empires, civilizations have always been playing out in these cycles. And yeah, technology gets better, et cetera. But it's more so that just like we have the four seasons, essentially,

00:45:47.000 that times will not always be getting better. That there will come a cycle where things get worse, and there comes a cycle where things are falling apart. And typically, we've seen in the United States, these seem to happen in 80 year increments. We're now going through the parallel of the Great Depression, and we're rapidly approaching the parallel of World War II. If you go back here, this is very similar to Ecclesiastes 3,

00:46:13.000 which is the final book written by King Solomon, where it actually is really the first line of Ecclesiastes, King Solomon basically acting like he's a teenager. Life is meaningless. Life is meaningless. He gets to actually, it's a lot deeper than that. But he literally, the first line in Hebrew is meaningless, meaningless. But you're right, Jack. You ever heard the song, I think the eagles, To Everything There's a Season? Is that, did they write that song? To Everything There's a Season? The birds. Oh, is it the birds? Okay. Well, I'm not that far off. Eagles,

00:46:42.000 birds. That's the same. One is a fly. One is a species. In the form of one. Okay. But it says, To Everything There's a Season and a Time and Purpose under heaven, a time to be born, a time to die, a time to plant, and a time to pluck out that which is planted, a time to kill, a time to heal, a time to break down, and a time to build up, a time to weep, a time to laugh, a time to mourn, a time to dance, a time to cast away stones. And a time to gather stones together, a time to embrace, a time to refrain from embracing, a time to get, a time to lose, a time to keep, a time to cast away, a time to rend, a time to sow, a time to keep silence, a time to speak, a time to love, a time to hate, a time of war,

00:47:09.000 a time of peace. I think quite like Ecclesiastes. Remember what they took from us. This was when our country was a respectable country. Play Cut 107. Off in the distance,

00:47:28.000 the game's dragging on. There's strikes on the batter, some runners are on. Then suddenly everyone's looking at me. My mind has been wondering, What could it be?

00:47:44.000 They point to the sky, and I look up above, and a baseball falls into my glove.

00:47:54.000 I play.

00:47:56.000 Right field.

00:47:58.000 It's important to know.

00:48:00.000 You gotta know how to catch.

00:48:02.000 You gotta know how to throw.

00:48:04.000 That's why I play in right field.

00:48:07.000 Way out where the dandelions grow.

00:48:10.000 As a proud sponsor of Little League Baseball, Pizza Hut welcomes all the kids who make it great. Just the music to the joy, the joyful storytelling. You contrast that with Dylan Mulvaney. I just. I mean,

00:48:27.000 that's what first happened. Has Pizza Hut given him a deal yet? No, but you get the point, right? I mean, Dylan Milvaini, who obviously needs to be on very heavy psychiatric medication and out of all public life, right? Who is like promoting ads and is a sick puppy versus this beautiful anthem. Just another piece here. Let's just play Cut 109. I miss the country I grew up in. I miss this country. It was a de radicalized country. Used to talk about family,

00:48:53.000 neighbors, sports. I didn't care if my neighbors were Democrats. I have a funny story about that in a second. Play Cut 108. Oh, Jerome, a birthday party at Pizza Hut. What fun. You bet, Mom. Okay, sweetie. Have a good time. She will. You look so cute. Remember to say hello to Mrs. Miller. Hello. And don't forget everything I told you. Okay. Have fun. Hello, Jerome. Hi,

00:49:21.000 Mr. Miller. Wish Jessica a happy birthday. And remember, polite little boys always use their napkins. We're gonna pot it, pot it right now. Well, how do we chew? With our mouths closed. We're gonna pot it. Don't forget to share. Share,

00:49:49.000 share. Use your silverware. And sweetie, I don't care what the other little boys do. You keep your apples off the table. And Jerome, please. Goodbye, Jerome. Be nice to the little girls. Honey. Did you have a good time? I did everything you said. Even nice talk, girl. Oh, my angel. Yeah. Okay,

00:50:20.000 I have three reactions. First of all, if there were that many white kids in a commercial, you'd be thrown in a gulag, like immediately. If that aired in 2000. Suffocating whiteness. I know. Number two, do you notice that the kind of subtext is order, manners, right? There are rules for life. Exactly. That's white supremacists. Keep your elbows off the table. Number three, there's no gay anything. The girl and the boy have this kind of romantic tension. That is a beautiful advertisement. Jack, 0.99

00:50:50.000 you're kind of into this abstract internet culture stuff. You spend way too much time on your phone. So, yeah, go ahead. Pizza Hut nationalism is something that I've talked about a lot. I did a whole podcast with Lou Dobbs talking about Pizza Hut nationalism. Tim Pool and I talk about opening up. A,

00:51:09.000 um, you know, finding one of those like abandoned pizza shops, they're like getting a bunch of them like across the country, and we're gonna call it like Papa Jack's Pizza Shack. And, um, it's so much more than just sitting down and having a meal, right? It's about the feeling that you get when you watch these videos. And I just gotta say, it, it, there are times where I, I watch these videos and I get happy because I remember how amazing America was, but honestly,

00:51:38.000 there's times where I get mad because. I look at these things and I become furious about the fact that my kids, my two little boys, are growing up in a country where they can't just find this at the corner. Where, like, when I was growing up in the Philadelphia area, you could go right down to the corner and you'd see all your friends there, all your buddies from school would be there. You could go play baseball, and it was all within walking distance. You could just go right in,

00:52:07.000 and this was about a meeting place. And so, no, it's not about pizza, it's not even necessarily about Pizza Hut, but Pizza Hut understood. That by tapping into that ether, that tapping into that energy, that vibe of America in the 1990s. By the way, these were the pizza commercials that used to play before the Nintendo, not Nintendo, Nickelodeon VHS movies. So I think one was like Nuturgles, one was like Land Before Time,

00:52:36.000 even though that wasn't Nickelodeon. I think that was Don Bluth or whatever. And at the same time, Netflix right now, the movie on Netflix right now that they're all pushing for kids. Is like the two gay nights and they're trans gender fluid,

00:52:53.000 whatever. And it's like big, bold, you know. I didn't believe it. So, you know, somebody showed me on their Netflix account. I did not believe. I have no idea what it's called. And it's just two gay nights. And this is set up for kids. It was actually Slate magazine actually called it. We've got a screen here. Bring it up. Two gay for Disney. The more,

00:53:13.000 the older I get, the simpler the explanations I find for this. The left is largely just weaponized mental illness on the rest of the country. Is that unfair, Saurabh? No, not at all. And the thing that I kept on thinking as I was watching that commercial is that back then, Pizza Hut was a place that you went to with your family and your children and all the other people from your neighborhood. Now, the Pizza Hut advertisement you're likely to see, putting aside the ideological content, is order this extra,

00:53:42.000 extra large pizza that's 1,800 to 3,000 calories that you're going to shove in your face or shove a couple in your face while you're at home, you know, doing your Zoom date because you have to put on the mask and sit inside because of COVID or whatever the other excuse they're going to come up with. For shutting everyone inside out. And also, just the aesthetic of new Pizza Hut is really corporate and utilitarian, right? A friend of mine was just there the last week and he said, I went there with my wife because I remember going when I was a kid in the 80s. And he was like,

00:54:11.000 it crushed me to see it. He says it was literally like going to eat at a cubicle office. Man. There's one near us now. And I went in. So I had a tweet thread about this that went pretty viral. I don't know,

00:54:26.000 maybe like eight months ago or so that really kicked off this whole Pizza Hut nationalism thing. Because I went to one that still actually was in one of the original, like it's not the corporate one that you're talking about, Blake. It was one of the older ones that, you know, had the regular Pizza Hut design,

00:54:42.000 you know, that sort of like hut. I don't know what you call it, the roof. My brother's the architect, not me. And we went in, and it was after COVID, and yet the floors were filthy. It was half the place was filled with like unmade pizza boxes. There were a bunch of like,

00:55:01.000 DoorDash drivers and Uber Eats people just like waiting, you know, the gig slaves waiting for like to pick up their order for it to be, you know, to get ready. And then I sat down and I said, Oh, I want to order a couple of wings and a personal pizza from my son here. Do you guys still do book it? And the guy's just looking at me with like bug eyes, like he has no clue what I'm talking about or why I would even deem to like set foot in the store, 0.97

00:55:29.000 all because I'm thinking, Hey, it's a Pizza Hut. I can go take my kid. I remember. I remember it from when I was younger, and it took off like wildfire on the internet. No pun intended, but that it so many people saying this was absolutely something that we all shared, that we all loved, and is, I think, ubiquitously taken from us. From no matter where you are in the country,

00:55:54.000 this has all been taken. And it's this whole idea. And so, Rob, you were hitting it a little bit too this idea of third spaces, that third spaces don't exist. A few things I want to hit before we move on is one. A funny thing with the second ad is it's actually a nostalgic ad itself. Like kids did not wear bow ties in the 1980s. He's actually basically looking like he's from Leave It to Beaver. Yeah. So it's 90s nostalgia for 50s sitcoms. That's right. And it's like a 70 year reversion. Even they had a sense like,

00:56:23.000 oh, we've fallen. It's over. It's, you know. And also, you know, we can focus on like the Pizza Hut community aspect, but like who actually does Little League anymore? Like Little League teams now, even sports kind of are terrible. Oh, yeah. You have to pay now. I totally agree. Childhood sports. I guess it's a child. They do. They do. No, well, hold on. Blake's about to make a really deep point. I'll piggyback it. The essence of childhood sports now is instead of, you know,

00:56:48.000 pay $300 so your kid's in a league with other kids in his neighborhood with low friends, now it's like you'll pay $4,000 to be on a travel team. This is the point. Travel team to train, get a college scholarship, maybe long shot, you can go pro. And that's what everything is about. No, it is the professionalization of youth sports has destroyed social bonds. I mean, I was at the kind of beginning edge of this. I'm not that great of a basketball player, but I'm tall and, you know, I love the. I love the sport. So I was,

00:57:15.000 AAU was just coming onto the scene. I don't know if you're familiar with it. AAU basketball has destroyed the sport, right? And the kind of AAUification of sports has gone everywhere in baseball and softball. So you'll have, I mean, I know someone really well here, and they're like, yeah, you know, my nine year old is on a travel team, and we're going to Vegas and we're going to LA. I'm like, well, who's on his team? They're like, well, someone from Wickenburg and someone from Chandler and Scottsdale. I'm like, that's not what local sports is about. Usually it's just like, oh, there's Johnny and, you know,

00:57:44.000 a person on the street. It's actually about none of us are going to go play for the Oakland A's. We know that, but it's actually about character development and local bonds. Well, and. Let's think through why that happens. On the upper end of the income spectrum, it's happening because status anxious people want to make sure that their kids preserve or increase the level of status they have in society. And so, you know, if the kid isn't necessarily going to cut it to get into Dartmouth or Harvard or something, well, the second they exhibit any aptitude in baseball,

00:58:13.000 they're going to spend the ages of three to 23 playing as much baseball as humanly possible to the point that they hate it. And if you're lower middle class or working class, it feels like the only ticket into the middle class or any prosperity for your kids because it's not like we have. A thriving blue collar economy for people who don't want to go to college. That's the only way out of poverty for so many people. So it's ruined what childhood is. Kids are expected to perform at the level of adults starting at very, 0.64

00:58:41.000 very young ages. You don't get a childhood anymore unless you have parents that are trying to very intentionally give you a very different kind of life, usually through homeschooling or in some cases some of these classical schools. So, Surab, you set a frame which is class anxious, Status anxious.

00:58:56.000 Yeah.

00:58:57.000 Well, what is this?

00:58:58.000 Well, it's basically the reason why every single, you know, To income upper middle class family is utterly insane, because they're mortally terrified at the thought of their children being perceived as lower on the status hierarchy as they are.

00:59:15.000 It's why people will dump tens of thousands of dollars into test prep or college prep.

00:59:20.000 I went to high school in one of these suburbs in the Dallas area where basically every family that thought this way was expected to spend tens of thousands of dollars to maximize the kind of school that their kids could get into.

00:59:33.000 Because, God forbid, your son turn out to be an HVAC repairman and make more money than you, probably with less debt.

00:59:38.000 No, I'm a class trader from where I come from, the suburbs of Chicago. I mean, it's all worked out, but originally when I said I wasn't going to college, it would have been easier to say I was a meth addict. Yeah. And that's unfortunately the situation that so many parents find themselves in the cultural milieu that they're in, their fellow peers,

00:59:56.000 their parents, and in some cases, even their family members will tell them that you have failed as a parent. That's exactly right. You know, spend a quarter million dollars to go to the private school in the state that isn't even really churning out people who can support themselves on their income. Because again,

01:00:15.000 God forbid if they become an electrician or an HVAC salesman or something like that. It's not just that. I mean, it is to circle all the way back to, you know, the decay of, you know, basic things. It is, it's not just loss of status, but I think a lot of people do cosmically grasp that you need to move heaven and earth to essentially marry, have two to three kids and have them grow up in the same. General environment that you could just kind of automatically grow up in in a 1980s suburb. Now that 1980s suburb costs,

01:00:44.000 you know, the housing costs are three times what they were. Every single activity costs way more. You now need to save from birth to pay for a college if they want to go to college. And even the sports teams are now several thousand dollars a year. So it's you spend three times as much to get a sort of creepy, uncanny valley facsimile of the life that they once had in the 1980s. And I think the desire to imitate this is what really is driving a ton of people insane. Yeah, I mean,

01:01:14.000 I've lived it. I'm not a card carrying member of the ruling class because I didn't go to college, which in some ways I think actually is the you really want to stand out. It's not a Harvard or a Dartmouth degree. It's don't go to college. But, Jack, it's Oliver Anthony didn't even finish high school. Oh, yeah, the red beard guy. So tell us about that, Jack. Well, no, he posted something earlier today about basically telling his life story and, you know,

01:01:44.000 People had been trying to dox him and say, Hey, your name's not really Oliver. Your name's at Christopher. What's up with that? Et cetera, et cetera. Who are you? Where you come from? It's the internet, right? So we must demand all of the information possible about someone. What are you watching? You know, they were like, Why is he watching very naughty Patrick Fitz David interviews on YouTube and things like this? I think he actually had such a turp video. He tweeted about it. Well, you know, how come nobody checked out the turp video I was watching? You know,

01:02:12.000 like his YouTube playlist or whatever. And he pointed out that, you know, so the guy's got number one song in the country, definitely hit a vein that, you know, I think kind of like we're talking about this sort of energy that's been out there, this emotion that basically,

01:02:28.000 I think this is the air. This is really strong. Doesn't go through, doesn't go to college, doesn't basically said that he dropped out of high school when he was 17, got a GED. He's basically been working blue collar ever since then. I think he's 30, 31 now. So,

01:02:43.000 you know, do the math, almost 15 years. And he just basically poured that into some music playing out in his backyard. So, I mean, we're going to play the song in a second. I'll be honest, the song's not really for me, but I don't go out of my way to try to make somebody unsuccessful. This is a really effed up thing happening in our country. And you see it,

01:03:06.000 Sarab. If you have any level of virality or success, it's we must crush you, we must dox you, we must destroy you. It's really sick. And as someone who experiences it every day, I could just like say, screw you. You know, 1.00

01:03:21.000 it's been 11 years of that. But it's a real thing, isn't it, Jack? Where it's like you have any micron of breakthrough. And the incentive structure is how quickly can we crush you, Jack? Look what they did to the plain lady, where not even making a political point, not even, I think, trying to go viral. And they basically,

01:03:50.000 they docked her. They ran a, in China, they call these a human flesh mob against her, just this huge volley of the horde of people online trying to track her down. I think 4chan had her name within like 30 seconds or something. It was a, you know, 0.58

01:04:05.000 pretty much the average for those guys. Autism strikes again. Exactly. The autists will save us, Sarub. Or kill us. They literally called in a drone strike on ISIS once in Syria. And the point is,

01:04:22.000 though, is that people are trying to say, okay, well, is she tied to the government? Is she tied to what she's tied to? What is she part of? And she's clearly just some lady on a plane. And now she's stuck in the middle of this viral clip. And that actually is part of the problem with the incentive structure, Charlie, that you're talking about, where the United States now, I would argue that we've obviously we're far beyond the Constitution and laws. We're actually now ruled by viral videos and the characters who animate those viral videos. And so,

01:04:52.000 in order to try to defeat one of those viral videos, you must then either impugn the character of that person, you must find out if they're lying, you have to find out if it's been taken out of context, or you let the viral video win and you just go with it. We are now, the United States government is now viral. Here's what it is. It's a bunch of resentful, jealous people that have miserable lives that want to see other people be destroyed. And that is largely the left. Okay,

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01:07:02.000 I don't feel comfortable promoting alcohol. That's not going to happen. And so then it kind of 400 messages later, we are now at the place of which is a thought crime, which is actually prohibition worked and was probably a good idea. And it's been whitewashed by the distillery companies. Blake Neff. It's kind of weirdly true. Like,

01:07:20.000 if you look, if you go back, it's true. If you go back to, you know, what, you know, why were people deciding to ban alcohol? That's the most important question. And you look at it, and it's like if you took fentanyl and every other drug in America, all the problems caused by it, like it was all kind of condensed into one single source. So, you know, these days we have fatherless homes because of crime and because of drugs and because just people, you know, value decay. Back then,

01:07:47.000 almost all of this was related to alcohol. So you would have broken homes because the dad just went and drank himself all the time. This is what caused domestic violence. Dad drinks, hits his wife, hits his kids. And it was just causing tons of crime, tons of violence. And the truth,

01:08:02.000 which is not often honestly remarked upon, is once we passed prohibition, we did get rid of it 15 years later, but it actually worked. All the problems related to alcohol have never risen back to where they were before they did prohibition. And whether that means you'd want to ban it today,

01:08:20.000 I'm not going to assert that. It is interesting to think about. Well, and this is what's the most important question because the people use prohibition as like a smart guy argument. Like, oh, you want to keep weed illegal? What about prohibition? Like, calm down, Patsy, okay? Let's actually ask the question how bad it must have been to want to pass a constitutional amendment. There was probably a good reason for that, right,

01:08:47.000 Blake? This was a country at the time that was not blitzing into constitutional amendments. So, something was going on where they were saying, wait a second, we need a constitutional amendment. And so,

01:09:03.000 it was actually led by women. Most people don't know that. By moms and wives that were outraged at their drunk, good for nothing alcoholic husbands and fathers and fathers that were seeing a massive moral problem. By the way, there's some amazing thought crime books on prohibition. You have one of them, right, Blake? It was what I read. The one I read, there was one called The Alcoholic Republic. And it's not so much about prohibition,

01:09:33.000 but it's about. How much alcohol America drank before prohibition. And it just makes your eyes water. It was something like the average American was drinking just gallons and gallons of alcohol. Yeah. And if I were to be honest, Jack, I think that the conservative movement has an alcohol problem. Am I right,

01:09:48.000 Jack Posobic? Well, I'll just say this from my personal standpoint. So I'm 17 years sober. I will hit 18 years at the end of next month. I don't think alcohol is something that provides. It makes people productive. I don't think it's something that people derive value from. I think it's also something where,

01:10:16.000 if anything, it just sort of degrades our culture in general because it gets us to a place where we push alcoholism so much in this country. It's a huge problem, by the way, in Eastern Europe, some of the other former Soviet countries, where,

01:10:31.000 but even in the United States, where we don't have the economic issues that those areas do, we have this whole pervasive belief system where, you know, if you're going to go out, You've got to be drinking. You can't enjoy that, you know, sporting engagement. If you're going to watch baseball, football, whatever, you got to have a drink in your hand. You can't go out and meet somebody if you're not drinking. Where do you go to meet people? You go to the bar. Where do you, you know, if you're going to have a party? Well, you're not really partying if you're not drinking. And keep in mind,

01:10:59.000 this is someone I went through eight years in the Navy without having a drink. So, you know, we'd pull in a pork somewhere. Oh, where's everybody going? Let's go get wasted. Let's go get wasted. And you're not going out to have fun. You're going out for the purpose of getting wasted. Not only that, Carly, but if you look at the gender difference between who's doing more binge drinking these days, women have actually, and we talk about the wage gap, they've actually closed the binge drinking gap when it comes to men. And so, look,

01:11:27.000 I see this in the conservative movement, just like anybody else, you know, and, you know, you could say, as, you know, in Christianity, we have the phrase, you know, be in the world, not of the world. And I would hope that for conservatives, look,

01:11:40.000 I'm not going to say you have to be a full on teetotaler or something. I'm not, I wouldn't say that I'm currently. You know, for prohibition, but I do think that we should actually talk about it honestly. And we should talk about the fact that it was actually good. It benefited the country. Like the results of it were positive. Yeah. Well,

01:11:59.000 first of all, yeah, I mean, women are closing the alcohol gap. They're also mixing with benzos and Xanax. And so we have to be honest about that. But Rob, does the right have a drinking problem? Yeah, I'm not going to beat around the bush like Jack did. Yes. 100,000%. I live in Washington, D.C., where functional alcoholism is present in. Probably over half of congressional staff. So, the people advising your bosses or your representatives in Congress on how to vote on legislation, 1.00

01:12:28.000 and frequently those representatives themselves are drunk as can be while they're making those choices. So, at a sort of interpersonal level, I grew up watching people get trashed at every conservative conference there was. And I started in politics pretty young, And I sort of created a rule for myself that I wasn't going to drink at these public events until I was 21, if at all.

01:12:53.000 And then, even after that, I've tried to keep pretty temperate myself.

01:12:57.000 And you just see that people end up destroying their lives drinking like crazy when they were young.

01:13:01.000 And this is a civilizational problem as well.

01:13:05.000 There's a very interesting line of thought that it is the overall decrease in alcohol consumption over the last few centuries that caused most of the technological and civilizational progress that we saw.

01:13:17.000 The idea behind this being that before we had really good water treatment technology, the only potable water that you could carry wasn't water exactly, it was water with a little bit of extra stuff, i.e.

01:13:29.000 beer and wine. People were rocking a day buzz basically all day, every day for millennia, basically. And as water technology got better, we started seeing people actually drink less. And that's where you got a lot of technological progress. Right around the same time,

01:13:46.000 you saw the proliferation of coffee. And there's people who make the argument that the transition from alcohol, which is a depressant, to coffee, which is a stimulant, caused the enlightenment. And yes, there's some problems with the enlightenment. But in terms of the technological progress that makes human flourishing possible, it was certainly great. So, Again, I don't necessarily want to see prohibition today. I think most people who drink a lot should drink significantly less. And the statistics are pretty clear that if you drink at all,

01:14:14.000 most of the people who drink at all drink way too much. And I certainly have no patience for the argument. Again, what you said, the smart guy argument, which is that, oh, tee hee, we had prohibition. That didn't work out. That means you have to allow heroin to suffuse your streets because that's the enlightened thing to do. Absolutely not. Drug wars work,

01:14:33.000 prohibition worked. Turns out, if the government says you can't do something and actually tries even a little bit to enforce it, rates of that thing happening fall off a cliff. It's called basic law and order. Yeah. So, Blake, should we bring back prohibition? I don't know if we should,

01:14:47.000 but I do like the point about heroin there at the end, which is just I think Ross Douthat of the New York Times had an article. This must have been a decade ago by now. I'm old. He made a great point, which is alcohol is bad. If we were to pick,

01:15:04.000 if we were setting our society from a blank slate and we were like, what should we legalize? Even if we were picking among the drugs that exist, we probably wouldn't pick alcohol as the one to have exist because it's addictive, it's harmful, has all these big problems. And, but it is, you know, it's been around a long time, has a lot of cultural legacy. It would be difficult to completely stamp it out. But you can have this understanding of recognizing how harmful it is. Maybe it's the only one we should have be legal,

01:15:30.000 and everything else we should just keep banned and not let it get normalized. Because what is really making alcohol worse these days, as he pointed out, is not just that people drink a lot, but it's that now you're Now you're crushing your prescription drugs into your alcoholic drink. That's what I'm saying. It's the combination of pharmacological agents. You have another point to make. No one's on one drug. Everyone who's on any drugs is on like 10 of them. And they just go totally loopy. Now,

01:15:56.000 the argument in favor of prohibition, I would say, is as you pointed out, anyone who does drink drinks too much. It is an industry that it's kind of like gambling, I would say. It is fundamentally dependent on the addict to make it as an industry. That something like. 15% of drinkers do 80% of the drinking, the old Pareto principle. And within that 15%,

01:16:20.000 it's like 5% of people who are alcoholics and 1% who are just drinking themselves to death. And the amount of alcohol that those people drink is truly staggering and kind of horrifying because it does kill you over time. The industry calls those people whales. Whales. Really gross stuff. It's a lot like other industries are like this,

01:16:42.000 like mobile games. Mobile games are all designed to be addictive so that you can hook. A tiny handful of people who will blow thousands of dollars on this. Casinos are designed to rope in people who blow their entire Medicare or their entire Social Security check every single month. On the slot machines. And I think it's valid to ask Is it really licit for us to sanction industries whose entire existence is dependent on people who are addicted to it? Yeah. And so,

01:17:08.000 look, I mean, first of all, prohibition will never get, will happen in our lifetime. And I'm not even saying it's a good thing or a bad thing. I think it's interesting. And I mean, that's where I also push back where someone's like, What are you going to ban alcohol? I'm like, Well, interesting. If you're going to start from base zero to your point,

01:17:23.000 you have 2,500 alcohol poisoned deaths a year. You have tens of thousands of auto related fatalities, serious injuries, or deaths every single year. You have kidney issues, you have obesity issues, not to mention, ask any cop, and the data supports this. Anything, any crime after 10 p.m., 80% of them have drugs or alcohol involved. Like 80%, right? Domestic abuse, gang fights, murders, rape,

01:17:50.000 all that sort of stuff. And so you combine all that together and you say, does the substance increase the virtue of the society? And the answer is, of course not. Now, you could do it in moderation. And look, the Bible does not explicitly say you shouldn't drink, but there are repeated warnings against drunkenness. And the wine that Jesus, that in Jesus' time was way more watered down than the wine in our time. There's all sorts of things. But is it virtuous,

01:18:17.000 Syrup? No. And ultimately, civilization and specifically Republican government requires citizens that are capable of reasoning. And this drug, like any other drug, Heavily erodes people's ability to reason. Just to put some numbers on the consumption, in the United States, if you are any of the six first deciles of alcohol consumption, that is to say, the bottom 60% of the population, you functionally don't drink at all,

01:18:45.000 less than one drink per week. The seventh decile, you get to 2.17 drinks per week. The eighth decile, you get to 6.25 drinks a week. So, you know, one glass of wine a day. Let's bring that chart up on the computer screen here. I've got it here. And then the ninth decile,

01:19:00.000 you're at 15.28 drinks a week, that is to say, two, maybe three drinks every night of the week. And then the top decile is 73.85. So 10% of Americans consume an average of 73.85 drinks a week. And imagine what our society would look like,

01:19:17.000 how it might look different if that weren't happening. And that's how much? 73 across the top 10%. So now imagine the top five, the top one, like top 1%. You have people who just only drink. Yeah. 30 million people are drinking almost 75 drinks a week. And 90% of them run our politics,

01:19:38.000 our government, and our finance. Jack, you want to talk about NBC? Well, not all of them. Yeah, no, just a lot. Yeah, a high percentage. Look, I'll just throw this out there because I always do. Sobriety works. If anybody out there is considering it, if you're thinking about it, if you're anywhere near, I don't care if you've tried it before and it hasn't worked, feel free to reach out. I always make myself available for anybody who wants to talk. Yeah, and look,

01:20:05.000 I'm not trying to be like overly moralizing here. It's not as if I've never had a drink. I've It's been a long time since I have, but seeing a couple of things. The people that are undisciplined with alcohol live in perpetual suffering. The people that are undisciplined with alcohol,

01:20:22.000 they go from rolling scandal to rolling issue. And if someone says they're disciplined with alcohol, I've seen it very rarely, very rarely. It's almost always abused because it happens like that. It happens very quickly. A man who drinks forgets the law,

01:20:40.000 as it says in Proverbs. Well, my bias on this is particularly funny because anyone who knows me or even follows me on social media will see that I'm really into craft cocktails. Like, I love making nice cocktails for my friends. And I think that, like anything, if you enjoy it, sustain your ability to enjoy it in the long term by making sure you put an extraordinary premium on moderation. And I'll say it to the young conservatives that listen to you, Charlie, that listen to you, Jack, that listen to you,

01:21:09.000 Blake be willing to speak into your friends' lives about this because there is so much social pressure to just drink yourself into a stupor every night of your 20s and oh, I'll chill out when I'm in my 30s. God knows how much we're frying people's brains doing that. It does poison your brain 100%. It's proven. And so I would just encourage people that look, if you want alcohol to be a small, moderate part of your life,

01:21:34.000 that doesn't start when you turn 35. It starts the day you have your first drink. It's a depressant. And I'll say this, Jack, you and I would agree. It's also a competitive edge. You don't drink, you get up earlier, you have no hangovers, you're able to allow them for more calories. And every single person, That I see that has stopped drinking, their career explodes. Tucker Carlson, right? You, Jack. I mean, I see it across the board. I'm not trying to moralize, I'm not trying to judge people, but yeah,

01:22:02.000 go ahead. I have had people within the movement, and this is maybe why I didn't come down so forcefully when you asked me the question originally, because I'm not going to say these names publicly, but I have had people that we all know who are huge names in the movement just in the last 12 months reach out to me,

01:22:20.000 person after person after person, saying, Hey, man, I just want to let you know I haven't had a drink in five months. Hey, man, I just want to let you know I haven't had a drink in whatever period of time it's been. I feel great. It feels good. It's not like an anti alcohol thing. I think it's just more like people are paying attention to their health more. They're listening to Huberman more. Charlie,

01:22:40.000 I know you're a big Huberman guy. I love Huberman. It's amazing. They're thinking about the alcohol's effect on your brain. And by the way, his episode on alcohol, if you just want to learn the neuroscience behind that, it ain't pretty. It ain't pretty. The distillery industry would not be happy with Huberman's truth there. Just do your research, everybody. And by the way, if you're dealing with depression and anxiety,

01:23:01.000 alcohol does not help. It is a depressant. It is neurologically proven to increase depression, increase suicidal ideation. Okay, let's get to the final topic of the night, which is one of my favorite stories. It's almost too good to be true. Blake, it came from you. Walk us through it. And, Sirab, you have time? You have 10 minutes. Is that okay? Yeah. Okay, Blake. This all came up. A friend of mine who's in the DeSantis camp,

01:23:29.000 which is fine. But I do think he's in a little bit of denial about Ron's overall prospects for winning the nomination. And he was like, look, Blake. Do we have the polls? We've got to be on the polls. We won't bring it up here. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Build it up. He's like, Blake, there's new polls. There's new polls. And they show Ron, you know, he's actually ahead of Trump in New Hampshire. And he sent it to me. And I was like, okay, that's interesting. And then I started taking a look. And there were a few other polls. And I don't have the New Hampshire one,

01:23:59.000 unfortunately, because I'm not logged into Twitter on my thing right now. But I do have their poll. Okay, you've got to read it off. Iowa, their poll for Iowa. Actually, let's go for their national poll. Yes. This poll is a national Republican primary poll. First place, it says Ron DeSantis,

01:24:14.000 47%. You put 100 Republicans in a room, 47 of them are pulling the lever for Ron. Second place, Vivek Ramaswamy, 23%. Third place, at 15%, Donald Trump, no, Chris Christie. And then at 10%, Donald Trump. 10% Republican voters, according to this poll, are ready to vote for Trump. And they have another poll. We've got it up on the screen here. Can we zoom in a bit? There we go. Yeah,

01:24:44.000 there we go. And who produced this poll for us to read it? It is none other than an outfit named Ron Polling Incorporated. So I had this texted to me from multiple people, one of them, a DeSantis shill, who just, you know, is as delusional as a trans activist, right? Like out of control. And they're like, we're gaining steam. And I was like, okay, who conducts it? By the way,

01:25:12.000 you know what the tell? They said that they had 5,000 respondents. 5,600. No way you'll get 5,000 respondents in an Emerson poll. Sienna poll before a general election in Pennsylvania, like 5,000 respondents. And so, Jack, this thing started to travel on Twitter,

01:25:27.000 and DeSantis shills on Twitter are like, we got him. Trump's in fourth place, according to Ron Polling. So, what's really going on here is this is without a doubt the greatest polling firm in contemporary America,

01:25:46.000 21st century America. Ron Polling. And look, I say this as a guy, look, People know I'm a Trump guy, and I feel dejected when I look at these numbers. But I'm aware of Ron Polling's fantastic track record, their history. And I would go so far as to say they are the gold standard in the industry. We must always trust Ron Polling and really only trust Ron Polling for all polling endeavors going forward. Here's another great one. I've got their 20,

01:26:16.000 you can look at it here, their 2024 Iowa Republican primary poll. They usually would say caucus. Poll in polls, but they're ahead of the curve. And I think, you know, okay, we've got DeSantis in first again, then Vivek,

01:26:28.000 then Christie again. Trump's at 12. Christie in Iowa. But the best part is Chuck Grassley is polling at 5%. Wow. And Chuck Grassley's not running for president. Best polling company ranked by People magazine. What is the best part about this is people believed it. Why wouldn't you? They're the gold standard. Look,

01:26:48.000 I'm unaffiliated in the presidential primary. I want a great Republican president to get elected and help staff them. With the best people we have to make sure that we actually implement the agenda that the people keep voting for. However, what I've said to my friends on the DeSantis campaign or affiliated with it for a long time is it is entirely reasonable for Ron DeSantis and his supporters to think that he should be president of the United States,

01:27:13.000 but you have to operate in reality. Like at the end of the day. And so if you're operating in fantasy land where there is a set of facts where Trump is in fourth in Iowa and fourth in New Hampshire, That's fine.

01:27:25.000 I'm just not going to come to your imaginary fantasy land with you.

01:27:28.000 You're welcome to enjoy your treehouse where this is the reality.

01:27:33.000 But acknowledging what's actually going on in the electorate might help you give better advice to your candidate, who honestly deserves better advice than he's often getting.

01:27:44.000 Are you some kind of Ron Bowling denier right now?

01:27:46.000 Is that what's going on?

01:27:47.000 You're just denying?

01:27:48.000 I'm a Ron Bowling denier.

01:27:50.000 Here's the thing.

01:27:51.000 This is the Ron Bowling truth.

01:27:53.000 After this video, It's entirely conceivable that Ron DeSantis's poll numbers skyrocketed.

01:27:58.000 Play cut 97.

01:27:59.000 Jump's here for the eggs.

01:28:02.000 And then do you do like fry them sometimes, or what else do you do?

01:28:09.000 I'm going to reinstate an egg dog.

01:28:12.000 Oh my gosh.

01:28:12.000 Wow.

01:28:13.000 Where'd Chris go?

01:28:14.000 You want one?

01:28:15.000 Yeah.

01:28:17.000 Okay.

01:28:18.000 Thank you.

01:28:19.000 Earn some side income and come help you guys at some point during all these prevails.

01:28:30.000 Sure.

01:28:31.000 I can do these too.

01:28:33.000 Whatever consultant thought this was a good idea should be sent to Gitmo.

01:28:37.000 Jack, you could probably arrange that.

01:28:39.000 I mean, this, you know, here's what we're going to do. We're going to have you make, put eggs in. Feel the DeSantis momentum. I mean, this is where, look, you got to understand that Ron Polling's methodology includes diverse sampling, rigorous data analysis, and a keen understanding of regional political dynamic. You might think that this video of Ron DeSantis not making eye contact with anyone, simply staring at,

01:29:09.000 Hard boiled eggs and sticking them with little pencil sticks, little popsicle sticks is wrong or something. But much like the Tibetan greeting of sticking your tongue out, in Iowa, 0.57

01:29:25.000 this is actually considered a regional and traditional bestowing of not only respect but blessing. Yeah, if anyone questions Ron polling, you're an election denier. We will find that. Big Fanny Willis will indict you. I will find you and fight you in real life at your house. Okay,

01:29:43.000 Blake, do we have something else we need to cover? We just have the. I guess we need more scuttling. Final thoughts are up. Tell us about American Moment, what you're doing. Give us a nice little plug here. Sure. American Moment's job is to make sure that after we're done with this presidential food fight,

01:29:59.000 we actually get an administration full of the people that we need in order to implement the agenda that the American people keep voting for. Basically, we're trying to build up the legion of 15,000 or so people you need to actually run politics. These are the staffers that staff the congressmen that. People keep electing. These are the 4,000 or so political appointments that every president gets to make. It's the other people in D.C.,

01:30:20.000 the policymaker, the policy entrepreneurs, the think tank people, et cetera. Basically, you need a couple thousand people in order to run the country. We don't have them right now. The ones we have are incompetent. The ones that are competent are parts of the establishment. It's American Moments' job to build up that population. Yeah. So,

01:30:36.000 I mean, do you think we're prepared if something miraculous happens and a Republican wins? I think we're getting more so. Look, I can't do everything, but I think that there is a coalition of groups that. Are thinking heavily about these questions that are putting in the work now. We're much more organized than we were prior to 2016. I can say that having looked at the history,

01:30:55.000 even though I wasn't there. So I think we're poised to have a better answer to that question of personnel next time. But ultimately, there's only so much that the people who are already in politics can do. What we need,

01:31:09.000 this is part of the reason I get so hopping mad when I see stuff like the 65 Project and what they're doing to President Trump's lawyers. What we need is people to step into the arena and say, I'm going to dedicate my life or at least a portion of my career. To being a competent America first person who will help staff the next administration or staff these congressional offices. And the left is doing everything they can to make sure that it is as risky as possible to do that. That's okay. We'll still find brave people. But if you want to get involved,

01:31:34.000 you can go to AmericanMoment.org. And it's fair to say you guys are the based staffing arm of the conservative movement? Look, we have a statement of priorities that goes through everything you could ask. It goes through how immigration has to be restricted, how our foreign policy has to be restrained, how we need to have protectionist trade policies, how the family is the. Bedrock of American society. So, when it comes to those core issues that define the America First agenda, we are the only organization, as far as I've ever seen, that put it in as explicit terms. So,

01:32:04.000 I guess you could say that. Very good. Jack, final thoughts before we send Sarab back to where he came from. Yeah, Sarab, you have to go back. Well, I just want to let everybody know that this t shirt that I'm wearing is 20 years old. This is the Summer Sanitarium t shirt. This is a bootleg that I bought in the parking lot outside of Veterans Stadium in Philadelphia,

01:32:25.000 which no longer exists. This was Metallica, Linkin Park, and Limp Biscuit all at the same show. Very good. And I do want to say everyone support AmericanMoment.org. It is excellent and necessary. Blake, final thoughts. By the way, we're taking standing applications for the Blake Neff marriage carousel. Get Blake Neff married. And it's a Rob, maybe, I don't know if you're married or dating anybody. We can have eggs. You're good. Okay. Not interested. So, Blake Neff,

01:32:54.000 top urgency. He shaved his beard. So, it's this whole new dynamic. And in the least gay possible way, gay possible, I think you look great, Blake. Final thoughts. We're going to cut aid to Ukraine and we're going to channel it towards opening a new Pizza Hut. With only 80s and early 90s arcade games in every city in America. And it would be a better use of the money. That's central planning at its best. Till next time,

01:33:18.000 hoping we're not in federal prison or indicted by Fannie Willis. God bless you guys and keep committing thought crimes. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thank you so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com. 0.94

The Charlie Kirk Show - August 19, 2023

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