The OG crew is back in studio for the first time since last week's episode, and they are joined by special guest Tyler to talk about Mischief Night, the Catholic Church, and a very special guest who has no idea what it is.
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00:03:05.000But what I found out after the show that no one had told me this before, that apparently my grandmom used to participate in Mischief Night.
00:03:17.000Like we would all go down to the cornfield and we'd get a bunch of corn and we'd shuck it and we'd get the kernels and set them up into like bags and throw them at the neighbors' houses up and down the block.
00:03:30.000And I'm like, Nana was doing Mischief Night.
00:05:48.000So, but Blake, I feel like you've been making a lot of points about the third worldism of it all, right?
00:05:53.000Like how Zoron's actual fundamental ideology is an antagonism towards the West, an antagonism towards whiteness, European-ness, whatever you want to call it.
00:06:04.000And this song just felt like a total, I heard it and I was like, Blake's right.
00:06:08.000Yeah, which is funny because the song is whatever.
00:07:12.000It's like, you guys should literally just listen to us because we called it.
00:07:16.000And then he gets up there and he starts talking about the, was it the Ethiopian aunties and the Bengali wine cooks and the Ibuelas and the taxi driver?
00:07:27.000And it's like, no, that's literally what the right has been saying the entire time that he was going to do.
00:08:34.000My family's back home in Kenya, and how I see how things are going on, like with families being separated as a human being, as a mother, separating families, especially children from their mothers or fathers.
00:09:07.000Voted for Virginia Democrat candidate, Abigail Spanberger.
00:09:09.000So she votes for a Democrat because she's an immigrant from, she's a Muslim immigrant from Kenya who doesn't like our immigration policies.
00:11:26.000So I find his speech really, really infuriating.
00:11:30.000We have let in so many immigrants, and New York City has been the recipient of so many immigrants that it is, it no longer, we don't control it.
00:12:41.000And plus, voting for Mamdani, they're not going to want to take the British administration to come in and potentially arrest them for that.
00:12:54.000Like, even, you know, people who just are here from foreign countries, very briefly, don't they're just not invested in American politics for the most part.
00:13:02.000I feel like this is a great task for the civil rights division at the DOJ to identify.
00:13:14.000Send in the DOJ and feel free to indict every single person who illegally voted because who voted is a public record?
00:13:19.000I think Harmeet Dylan is the right woman for the job.
00:13:23.000She should move forward on identifying how many 100%.
00:13:26.000We should arrest everyone who votes illegally.
00:13:29.000We should indict and arrest everyone who votes illegally.
00:13:31.000Especially because they're the sort of community that, you know, when you go after James Comey, James Comey is going to be able to have like a ton of lawyers and he's ready to like fight a big legal throwdown.
00:13:41.000But if you're correct and thousands of people cast illegal ballots, you can totally indict a huge number of them.
00:13:49.000And it's both expensive to try to defend all of them and it will like put the fear of God in these immigrant communities who mostly like the guy who's like the PR campaign event would be huge.
00:13:59.000The PR campaign would be like, don't do this.
00:14:04.000And again, even if it's hundreds, to your point, which is like, you're in like the most conservative position on that, right?
00:14:17.000Hundreds of people getting in big trouble for this is a big deal.
00:14:21.000So I would say go ahead and do that if that's the case, but I don't, I get, I guess I get annoyed because it's often a sort of automatic take from the right that they just assume this is happening.
00:15:17.000Here's what I want to explain, though.
00:15:19.000They were certainly the people who built New York City and the skyscrapers.
00:15:23.000There is a fundamental difference between the people who came as settlers, the people who came as colonists, and the people who are coming, to use Blake's phrase, as the gimmigrants, as the people who are coming to take from the society that Mamdani specifically stated was and is his political agenda, which will be the next political agenda going forward.
00:15:47.000And I'm not gonna, by the way, if New York wasn't built by European settlers, why is it called that?
00:16:55.000And actually a lot of the mystique of America being built, being a nation of immigrants came out of that wave.
00:17:03.000And it actually changed the way the nation talked about itself.
00:17:06.000And there was concern even about letting in those cultures.
00:17:10.000Now, we know in retrospect they assimilated very well because they happened to be mostly European, mostly Christian.
00:17:15.000No, even then, even then, it actually like it needed a big lift to do it.
00:17:20.000Well, in World War I and the aftermath, we basically quite aggressively cracked down on vestigial, non-assimilated elements of a lot of European immigrants to the U.S.
00:17:56.000This substack basically makes the case that it's semi-miraculous that we were able to assimilate these people because of the greatness of America, but also these huge cataclysmic events like World War I and World War II.
00:18:09.000But it did end up creating this narrative that America is a nation of immigrants, which made way for the 19, the heart seller.
00:18:17.000Yeah, which then gave them a foothold to say, hey, we're just a nation of immigrants, and so it doesn't matter where you're from.
00:18:24.000Well, that's not at all how we got from point A to point B. Point A was we're Anglo, we don't want Italians and Irish and Poles.
00:18:31.000Then it was like, well, we just defeated the Nazis and saved the Western world, so I guess they're cool now, and we're all one nation.
00:18:38.000And everybody's like, well, we did it once, we can do it again.
00:18:42.000That's like three standard deviations from like assimilating European Christians and Catholics to, oh, we can have somebody like Zoramandani, who's a Muslim from Uganda slash Indian descent.
00:18:55.000To me, the most important thing about it is just that he ran pretty aggressively on and overtly on what you might call, you know, race communism, where he's going to say the objective of my administration is to target people who are white.
00:19:11.000You can't leave out the fact that where did he hold his I mean, I don't know if these were rallies, but they were his last public appearances right before the election on Saturday night and Sunday night in New York City.
00:19:42.000You know, because there is voters on there.
00:19:43.000Bring it up, but like, you know, it's an important thing where we bring up that, you know, we'll call him the, you know, foreign, the Muslim socialists, but like the Islam part is actually not a core part of his identity.
00:19:57.000It's not part of like the way it was part of Muhammad.
00:19:59.000Yeah, this is why calling him a jihadist is kind of washed.
00:20:24.000It's like the old SML spit where anytime you talk about like whenever we're talking about Latin America, they suddenly have to have these weird fake accents.
00:20:30.000No, no, no, yeah, Finner was just talking about Finnery was just talking about it.
00:20:35.000And I came on and I was like, I was like, ah, yeah.
00:20:51.000And I think we need to, and just to put a pin on this, because I do want to get to some of these other topics.
00:20:57.000And we did promise a little bit of a spicy topic that we do need to fight for the story of who actually built America's cities and who actually built America's greatness.
00:21:07.000And no, it was not like just this sort of vague all immigrants built America story.
00:21:20.000That's why I brought up that sub stack is because we changed the myth, the story that we told ourselves as a nation after that first wave of early, it was late 19th, but mostly early 20th century wave of immigrants.
00:21:46.000And to just continually say to ourselves, we can keep assimilating and keep a nation, I think is a fool's errand.
00:21:54.000But this is what, this is, when you talk about the myths that we tell, the story, reclaiming the story, this is Jennifer Welch to Mehdi Hassan at Zoron's victory party saying, you know, if it was all white people in here, it'd be boring.
00:22:06.000And Americans have no culture except multiculturalism.
00:22:50.000Europeans actually have a tremendous amount of culture.
00:22:52.000Americans have a tremendous amount of culture.
00:22:54.000To the extent that they say this, it's because like these awful people come in and like demean them, deny they like have any sort of cultural status as a way to justify dispossessing and displacing them.
00:23:45.000And beyond that, and beyond that, it's like the United States of America, the nation that gave us rock music, Hollywood, the nation that gave us Mark Twain, the nation that gave us, you know, stories like Paul Bunyan, the nation that gave us Daniel Boone, the nation that gave us Davey Crockett, the Alamo, infinity number of things.
00:24:20.000No, it's not really a culture unless I can make some obnoxious Instagram posts about being immersed in like a different name for your grandmother.
00:25:30.000Vienna is a beautiful city, has a ton of historic nature to it.
00:25:34.000But you can tell very rapidly the places that have been defaced and replaced with Middle Eastern influence that have completely rebuilt over the top.
00:26:55.000You know, we can puncture, we can like, and it's like go through the elephant in the room.
00:26:58.000A lot of American urban culture was wiped out because we had white flight in the 60s because of the last time libs got like total cultural domination and they decided to quadruple the crime rate overnight and have riots run everywhere.
00:27:12.000You know, when it happens in other countries, it's called ethnic cleansing when that happens.
00:27:17.000But I guess in America, it was just like, I guess the people who left were bad because they didn't want to be murdered.
00:27:22.000Like we've literally done an entire podcast.
00:27:24.000Yeah, like you go to Detroit and it's just like, oh, there's all these beautiful abandoned homes and all the people just had to leave, I guess.
00:27:30.000Yeah, so I mean I experienced this in a very small way in my hometown where, you know, ethnic whites, you know, Italian, Irish, and Polish like myself, and Section 8 came in and crime came in and then it became a sanctuary city.
00:27:48.000And this is, you know, right outside Philadelphia.
00:27:51.000And they just, you know, block busting obviously was a huge part of that.
00:27:54.000And that's almost exactly what happened to my family, where this tight-knit, not like working class area, but tight-knit, great architecture.
00:28:03.000Yeah, where you want to, while we're on this topic, because I think you're going to be able to do that.
00:28:05.000The Bronx used to have one of the largest Jewish populations in the United States.
00:28:09.000If I was king of the world, I would force America to have to, you only had three options for architectural styles.
00:28:16.000Art Deco in the major cities, neoclassical, or Gothic.
00:28:28.000Every town should have its Queen Anne Revival.
00:28:30.000Those are the fun houses that have the little turrets and stuff.
00:28:33.000But that being said, Blake's got a point, though, because you just keep importing people from parts of the world that have no care about that whatsoever.
00:28:42.000You're just going to get the extended favala of India or like Brazil or whatever.
00:29:09.000TikTok offers opportunities for respectful exchanges of ideas.
00:29:13.000And through that, opportunities for community, not to talk over each other, but to talk with each other.
00:29:18.000On TikTok, you'll find creators who teach and encourage a carpenter passing on his craft, a mom explaining how to make a budget stretch, or a gardener showing us how to bring a backyard back to life.
00:29:29.000Different stories, but the same drive.
00:29:32.000The desire to connect and to understand.
00:29:45.000It gives everyone a seat at the table, a place to speak, to listen, and to remind each other of what connection really looks like.
00:29:52.000Conversation build connection, and connections build communities.
00:29:58.000We have to commit to going to the next topic here, but I will say what's interesting, and I've never thought about it.
00:30:03.000I have thought about it, but I've never articulated it before, is that even white flight, Blake, have you ever noticed that your whole life it's been talked about as if it was like the white people's, like they get judged there for you?
00:30:14.000Yeah, it's their white people are bad for everything.
00:30:18.000So and by the way, as a great segue, when I appeared on Tucker's tour last year in Pennsylvania, he specifically asked me to tell my story.
00:30:29.000And we did that in Reading, Pennsylvania, which was pretty much 20, 25 minutes from where I grew up.
00:30:35.000So the whole, you know, everyone in the area is we're in the Northeast and everyone in the area knew what I was talking about and knew about these different trends and these different pressures that we were all experiencing about how we completely just blew up these communities.
00:30:50.000And like I lived in a town where the people on my block were all the, you know, all the adults on my block were the people that my father had played with as kids when he grew up on the same block.
00:31:02.000So like I grew up in the same house that my father grew up in and that his sisters grew up in and that we had had for, it was built in 1901.
00:31:11.000And this was like beautiful wood architecture.
00:31:14.000Tyler, we had stained glass sliding doors in our dining room.
00:31:19.000And that was like, I still want to go back and buy them actually because I drive by the house a lot.
00:31:23.000And Tucker brought this up to say, hey, look, you know, this is not like an approved topic, but it's something that happened to a lot of people.
00:31:33.000And it's like, and I've talked to like Jeremy Carl, like I've talked to Jeremy Carl about this, and he's like, I totally get where you're coming from with your politics because you just want to get your hometown back.
00:31:45.000And that's really all it boils down to for me.
00:31:47.000It's like they took from me some, like, I always define success as like, you know, not like the amount of dollars in my bank account or whatever.
00:31:54.000It was just like having a nicer house in my hometown.
00:32:10.000This happened in the 90s, early 2000s because, oh, we got tough on crime.
00:32:14.000And so investment came back in, money came back in, prices went up.
00:32:20.000There was so much ink spilled, books written about cultural displacement for the urban minorities, right, during that time.
00:32:26.000But when the shoe was on the other foot and white communities get displaced because of crime that is expanding outward into white neighborhoods or ethnic white neighborhoods like you grew up in Philly, there's zero compassion on that cultural experience.
00:32:41.000There's zero acknowledgement that bad policy has led to more violent neighborhoods and run down degraded neighborhoods.
00:32:54.000And so Tucker, so yeah, I'll set the stage.
00:32:57.000And look, you know, that was kind of my segue point was that of all the things that, you know, I was expecting to talk about on, you know, on a live, it was a live podcast, but also a live show, a huge stadium, Santander Arena in Redding, absolutely sold out.
00:33:12.000And Tucker's like, I just want you to talk about your hometown.
00:35:42.000It's not all men, but it's largely young men.
00:35:45.000Many have had some kind of interaction with Turning Point in a negative way.
00:35:51.000And in most cases, I would say, do not feel warmly invited mainly around the Israel issue because Turning Point historically has been a pro-Israel organization.
00:36:04.000And a lot of these young men, their single issue, if you can say there's a single issue, is their distrust or just outright hatred for the state of Israel.
00:36:21.000And then you have a number of other layered things on top of that, which are some issues on race.
00:36:59.000I know we didn't pull up your clips, but I know Charlie wasn't talked about a lot, but I do think they mentioned him a little bit in the other thing that caused a lot of pushback.
00:37:13.000There was a lot of pushback because Tucker said essentially that he just, I think the exact quote was he despised Christian Zionist.
00:37:24.000And then so that was a huge, a huge bone of contention for the evangelical community, especially the dispensationalists that believe that the current nation state of Israel is prophetically foretold of in scriptures and that they do represent sort of a very important prophetic timeline piece, the current nation state of Israel to God's ultimate plan for humanity, right?
00:37:53.000So you've got this whole dynamic going on.
00:37:56.000I want to say that Tucker ended up going on Dave Smith's podcast and walked that back, that he despises Christian Zionists.
00:38:07.000What he said was he was upset that there was bombings of Christian churches in Gaza and that people did not apologize, that he feels they were intentional.
00:39:13.000So, I mean, Blake, I think you said it really well.
00:39:17.000And I hate to keep putting you on the spot here, but You have a history with Tucker, and that's why I think there's, you know, I don't want to say you're being cynical or something, but you're just, you didn't have high hopes for it.
00:39:28.000No, so it's like, I mean, when you watch it, you kind of, it basically went as I about expected it to.
00:39:39.000He does, if you watch the whole interview, it's about two hours long, I think.
00:39:44.000He does at some point, you know, he questions Nick, like, okay, you seem to sort of have a somewhat hate-based ideology, or like he kind of paints entire groups all the same way.
00:39:58.000And, you know, he pushes him a bit on that.
00:40:25.000But there's still a lot of stuff that you could talk about.
00:40:28.000So you're having Nick Fuentes on, who, among other things, is famous for this long-running feud with Charlie Kirk.
00:40:34.000Well, Nick Fuentes, within the past month, basically said, you know, everyone's thinking this, you know, Erica Kirk looks extremely happy that her husband's dead.
00:41:08.000And I think he just didn't, he didn't ask about that.
00:41:11.000He didn't ask about some of the stuff he said about JD Vance.
00:41:14.000And I think more broadly, he let, especially in the early part, he definitely just seeded the stage for Nick to give his narrative of his life, where basically I'm just a normal America-first guy, and then the Jews just were constantly messing with me and sabotaging me, whether it was Ben Shapiro or various other people, which several of those people came out and said his narrative was a misleading, self-aggrandizing lie.
00:41:43.000But he basically just kind of let him tell that.
00:41:45.000And it's clear Tucker approved of that narrative.
00:41:48.000That basically he was buying into, oh, yeah, those darn Jews just came in and messed with Nick because he, you know, wanted to have America-first foreign policy.
00:41:59.000Okay, I think there's probably a few other things he did that made people not like Nick.
00:42:05.000Or dig into, okay, Nick, you have a lot of burned former colleagues who don't like you for this reason.
00:42:12.000There's like weird things where people say he has like a lot of associations with like outright sex predators and stuff.
00:42:28.000You know, Tucker, you picked at Ted Cruz because he didn't know enough super abusive.
00:42:33.000He didn't know enough facts about Iran.
00:42:34.000Could we pick up Nicola Fuentes for saying he loves a guy who killed tens of millions of people, possibly?
00:42:41.000Millions of Christians, including them?
00:42:43.000I mean, we care about the fate of Christians here.
00:42:46.000Or do they only matter when they're in Gaza?
00:42:47.000The Stalin thing really bothered me because I think that accentuated that there was like an overlooking of like it created.
00:42:55.000The look of the scene, when it happens, is that he had an environment where he wanted to only mildly question Fuentes and then he was caught off guard when Fuentes said something that was really freaking bad and he's like I listened to the whole.
00:43:08.000I listened to the whole uh, both this interview and when Tucker was on Dave Smith and and I think Tucker also mentions this on Dave Smith and just, and he I'm trying to remember this from memory but he sort of said like I was caught so off guard that I wish I had said something and and that he didn't.
00:43:24.000So he did actually yeah, but we've all seen Tucker on yeah yeah no, I'm not disputing that, I'm just saying that's.
00:43:31.000Seen Tucker and again, maybe his frame of mind was he was being his friend.
00:43:35.000I can totally buy that his frame of mind is like he's giving this guy a shot and he really believes he's extremely talented and that maybe his outreach can guide him to a better, more tucker like version of Nick Fuentes.
00:43:49.000And honestly, you know, I hate even spending this this much time on on it, but I, and there's a part of me that thinks that that was like his goal and I'm not agreeing with that.
00:43:59.000I'm just saying I think that that that was kind of the goal, like a big brother, because because of that whole stalin situation and again I'm not, I'm not saying that's okay, I'm not saying that like that's what I would have done.
00:44:10.000Charlie wouldn't have done that right, like you want the Tucker, who's like excuse me Stalin yeah, like what?
00:44:16.000Yeah, what are you talking about really?
00:44:17.000Like a guy who kills tens of millions of people, including millions of Christians.
00:44:20.000Like how could, how could Christian priests, how could your, how could your ideological centering be around Stalin and explain that to us?
00:44:30.000Because I think actually that epitomizes and I think if if, if the guy was here right now, he would tell you the same thing.
00:44:37.000Part of his ideology is he agrees with an authoritarian, you know, slightly communist version of whatever his current worldview is, and that's part of the reason why he thinks so greatly of him.
00:44:53.000I know that that's not, that's not Tucker's worldview, I know that that's not his position.
00:44:58.000We know Tucker and I actually do buy that.
00:45:00.000He was probably so caught off guard by that and his headspace was in another place entirely, probably what you were saying that he was trying to, but it shows that he doesn't really know who this guy is and what that that movement is.
00:45:10.000We've gotten to know that movement and again, like we know, they exist in the aura of whatever right, but we totally disagree with like the whole.
00:45:19.000There's a whole communist faction that's underlying, with a lot of these guys that are outright communists, that think that like, the 1917 revolution's great and we saw elements of this come out which, by the way, um uh, what's his name?
00:45:34.000And, by the way, that's Hassan Piker, said that at the Mondani um uh victory party.
00:45:39.000was talking about how he actually said i wish the united states had not defeated the soviet union and so we i do this horseshoe theory although i don't i don't think that all kids realize they're signing up for that when they follow these guys And again, I think that there's an element here where maybe like maybe Tucker's not totally aware of that existence, but I think he is now.
00:46:02.000They should be aware that there's a whole communist angle to that entire movement that we totally disagree with, and that there's nothing there that you could possibly ever commend.
00:46:39.000In the interest of just fairness, so the only time that I think Charlie came up at all a few times, which were a few times, three or four times in it, and I'm going through the transcript right now.
00:46:51.000You know, it's them speaking out against violence.
00:46:56.000It's Nick saying that never should have happened, that Charlie was a conservative guy, relative moderate.
00:47:20.000And he even said that they actually had a really good part where they were talking about, and I say good in relative terms, but I thought it was good that this narrative got out that when they were talking about Tyler Robinson and talking about some of these new revelations, which we haven't even done on Thought Crime yet, of the Discord messages and some of the, like, the, there's like this leaker now in the Tyler Robinson friend group.
00:48:12.000You know, this psychoactive substances, make-believe reality of the internet, totally disconnected from the real world.
00:48:17.000And I think they enter into this delusional state.
00:48:19.000I think that's where the shooter in Minneapolis, I think that if Tyler Robinson is found guilty, there's these interesting screenshots about him and his transgender boyfriend.
00:48:29.000If that's true, I'd imagine it's not dissimilar with the guy who showed up.
00:48:32.000And, you know, and he's talking about the time there was a guy who tried to, you know, allegedly try to kill Nick as well, was, you know, was in kind of one of these like almost fugue states and was talking.
00:48:42.000So they were talking about political violence, right?
00:48:44.000They were talking about political violence and being extremely against it.
00:48:47.000And, you know, obviously that's what makes the Stalin comment weird, but that was the only time they brought up Charlie directly in the whole interview.
00:49:01.000Listen, I just want to point out that they did actually discuss Tyler Robinson kind of in depth.
00:49:05.000Yeah, and I just want to say something as well, though, too, is that and we should talk more about that because the radicalization elements and the drug use and this leaker is like actually a big development.
00:49:16.000But I would say that, you know, here, you know, I saw a lot of people like on social media basically sharing a speaker graphic from before Charlie even died of Amphest.
00:50:00.000If you put Charlie against a corner and you tried to back him up against a wall, he would defy any moral blackmail that you can imagine.
00:50:09.000It was the one thing that I saw time and time and time again from Charlie, especially in the last couple of years.
00:50:15.000Like when you tried to coerce him or control him or emotionally manipulate him, like he would have defied the heck out of you just to defy you and not be controlled by you.
00:50:57.000And, you know, where it goes from here, you know, Tucker could change his entire mantra and everything else, right?
00:51:06.000But there is still always going to exist a friendship and a memory that exists with those two gentlemen.
00:51:13.000And we are way too close to the death of Charlie Kirk to be flying off the handle and making preconceived conceived notions about people and where their head's at.
00:51:29.000And again, that's not to say that you're not going to disagree with him more later on or you're not going to, or that you're always going to be in the same place that you were the day that Charlie was taken off this earth.
00:51:43.000But you're always going to have that same bond that exists there and that respect that everyone should have, mutually respecting anyone that loved Charlie that much and that Charlie loved equally.
00:51:56.000Because again, Blake's worked for the man has vocally disagreed with him in this segment that we're talking about.
00:52:04.000He could still have all that existing.
00:52:06.000I think you're the only one who worked for both, actually.
00:52:08.000And I want to say this is just, and this finished with this is just to honor Charlie's life by honoring that relationship.
00:52:17.000And that doesn't necessarily mean you have to agree.
00:52:20.000We get emails about this and I respond to some of them where I just say, like, I mean, Charlie faced a lot of pressure to deplatform Tucker a lot.
00:52:29.000And he consistently pushed back on that.
00:52:31.000And I don't know how Charlie would have reacted to this Nick interview in this world where it happens while he's still around, which could plausibly have happened, I think.
00:52:42.000I don't know how he'd have reacted to that, but we know how he responded to other things that made people pressure him.
00:52:47.000And I'll be honest, I think Charlie probably would not have liked this interview that Tucker did.
00:53:11.000But then the question is, the second aspect of this is, would it have risen to the level of what all of these, you know, this caterwalling cacophony of whatever, you know, Greek choir saying, now turning point must do this.
00:53:43.000In my opinion, there is about a hundred iterations between those two polar extremes.
00:53:49.000And yes, I think I expressed this the first time we talked about it, Blake.
00:53:53.000You could be disappointed in the way somebody talks about it, but to or conducts an interview.
00:53:58.000But to Tyler's point, while respecting the relationship and the friendship that is authentic, and by the way, I have a friendship with Tucker.
00:54:17.000And beyond that is to understand that we, exactly, Tyler, Charlie has barely been gone from us.
00:54:24.000And to think that we are in a position where that feels morally right to sort of upset the apple cart and change something that was so fundamental and so publicly expressed multiple times and privately expressed about these are his wishes.
00:54:43.000And if somebody thinks that you're going to emotionally coerce us or morally blackmail us to do something, especially this soon afterwards, like, you know, go pound sand, honestly.
00:55:50.000And we're sitting here going through all of this.
00:55:54.000And then people are coming in trying to make demands and trying to make people say, oh, you know, this is about, you know, this is about what are you going to do?
00:56:02.000It's like, well, how about we're just going to honor Charlie's wishes?
00:56:38.000How about you pick up a phone and you call people instead of trying to just tweeting at them or even get or even better, get to work, do something productive.
00:56:53.000He actually married my wife and I at our wedding.
00:56:57.000But he used to say, the meaning of life is relationship.
00:57:00.000Relationship with God, relationship with one another.
00:57:03.000And I so believe that, actually, because, you know, and when we talk about this, we're talking about it in the context of, like I said, I have a friendship with Tucker.
00:57:14.000Charlie has a friendship with had a friendship with Tucker.
00:57:17.000Jack, you have a friendship with Tucker.
00:57:49.000So, listen, and by the way, that means something to me when I'm talking about some of the evangelicals that are upset or some of the Jewish friends that are upset.
00:58:55.000And but what is much rarer in the higher of the virtues is being a philosopher, being a statesman, being a coalition builder.
00:59:03.000And he was very, very clear that the mission of Turning Point is to not be ankle biters, not to be performative social media artists, is none of that stuff.
00:59:12.000It's to be coalition builders and statesmen and philosophers.
00:59:15.000And by God's grace, we are going to pursue that mission on Charlie's behalf and on Turning Point's behalf and for the country's behalf because listen, like there's a lot of people that want to tear each other down.
00:59:28.000And I'm just like, again, I'm going to say it.
00:59:32.000And we're going to try and keep the darned coalition together if it's the last darn thing any of us do.
00:59:36.000And there's something that Tyler said that it just has to be brought up, the timing of this, is they launched all of this at the time we were having an election.
00:59:46.000At the time that we were having a contentious election, a couple of key races.
00:59:49.000So we just talked about Mamdani in New York City.
01:00:05.000So we're supposed to unite with those people now.
01:00:07.000We're supposed to harmonize with them.
01:00:09.000And all of these people spent their time infighting, spent their time ankle biting, attacking, you know, attacking one another and doing this infighting.
01:01:01.000But isn't it weird that this happened just a few weeks before this election?
01:01:08.000I mean, I'm just going to tell you, I'm not going to be the conspiracy theorist here, but I do believe there's a lot of funding and a lot of pushing and pulling.
01:03:31.000And also, just social media has been great.
01:03:33.000I think people have learned a lot about the true nature of like crime in America just from social media.
01:03:38.000They've learned a lot about what life is really like in a lot of parts of American society they're not a part of.
01:03:43.000And what we've had with the freak out over SNAP funding, over EBT possibly being, well, I guess actually being suspended now with the government shutdown ongoing is people have gotten a direct encounter with how some Americans who are on government programs basically relate to these government programs.
01:04:02.000Both, you know, SNAP supplementary nutritional assistance program, the idea, you know, food stamps, the idea, you know, you're using these to get what you need to survive.
01:04:10.000And what people are learning is there's a lot of people who are on SNAP who don't work and don't really want to work and feel entitled to not work.
01:04:18.000There are people who have figured out the not exceptionally difficult task of converting food stamps into literally anything else you want to buy stamps and all of that.
01:04:28.000And we have amazing clips of them doing this.
01:05:29.000That's Charlie telling us what we should want in like a country that has, of course, our Christian values and we don't want people to be left behind, et cetera.
01:06:42.000Is she on EBT or she's making fun of people who are?
01:06:46.000making fun of them i think we book her on the show do we have some i want the people yeah 328 And I just really want to know why these restaurants and why these supermarkets aren't giving out free food during this government shutdown.
01:07:42.000I'm telling you, this is going to be a thing.
01:07:44.000People are going to start, instead of stealing groceries from the stores, they're going to start watching people go to their cars and they're going to take all of their groceries.
01:07:55.000And you know what the store are going to do?
01:08:43.000So this guy does videos and he goes around and he's the cart police or he calls him something.
01:08:49.000And so he waits and they when they don't put their car away, it's like a big magnet and he slaps down their car when they're driving away.
01:08:57.000This is like the should put your cart away and people get this is like a more heroic guys.
01:09:02.000It's like those guys who are just sticks in their car that just says like you you are a like it's like basically a bad citizen for not putting your cart away.
01:09:12.000What if they worked that hard at being a human being?
01:09:15.000No, they spend more energy yelling at this guy than they put in the car away.
01:09:18.000And he just runs away from it's not even like citizenship versus non-citizen.
01:09:22.000It's like if you do not put the cart away, you are no better than a mere beast.
01:09:26.000Wait, there's what separates us from the animals.
01:09:29.000Wait, guys, there's another clip here.
01:09:31.000It says, so 321 is like double printed on the clip sheet, but there's one that says complain someone's complaining about having to use their own money.
01:10:35.000So there's part of that, but I think there is also just we kind of have a robust pool of Americans who don't really want to work, I guess, or try to work.
01:10:46.000Well, this is the whole thing with, and you see this with the Obamacare subsidies and healthcare, too.
01:10:50.000Once you put subsidies in an economy into a marketplace, removing those is almost impossible.
01:10:57.000People adjust their spending habits to this new reality, right?
01:11:02.000So if they're entitled and their sense of entitlement.
01:11:06.000Yeah, but they've gotten a more expensive place to rent or they've got more subscriptions per month or their new TVs or whatever the thing is that their monthly budget now.
01:11:17.000So you can't pull it back without them feeling like the government and the Republicans and Trump are hurting me.
01:12:31.000I'd say, hey, you know, here and there.
01:12:33.000Anyway, so we're at the hospital and we have our kid.
01:12:38.000And down the hall is this Mexican dude who doesn't really speak much English, also at the hospital having his own kid.
01:12:46.000And so my wife, knowing that these guys are, you know, probably a little bit poor, she said, you should go offer to buy them like some meals or something like that.
01:13:15.000Like my wife's an American citizen, but since I'm like an immigrant, that the state of California has paid for all of our hospital bills and they've given us a monthly stipend.
01:14:22.000Sometimes they'll just do like the two Americas thing.
01:14:25.000And there is, there's a lot of people in America who kind of like it's become a lifestyle to find different ways of being on the dole.
01:14:36.000And it's like people don't even occur, like obvious things.
01:14:40.000So you can like people will take like there's a pretty well-developed economy for swapping SNAP, swapping EBT benefits for monetary equivalent things at, you know, some small rate of depreciation on it.
01:14:55.000And, or like underground economies for selling shoplifted goods.
01:15:00.000There's places where it's just routine, like, oh, I can get this good cheaper because someone is going to shoplift it for me.
01:15:06.000They'll make requests for something to be shoplifted for them and then they'll buy it more cheaply.
01:15:10.000And there's this whole, you know, in the kind of the underclass of American life where this happens.
01:15:16.000And having a nicer country, you can't just write off the underclass because everything's on a spectrum.
01:15:21.000How nice your city is to live in is heavily dependent on how quality or low quality like your bottom 5% of people are.
01:15:31.000Are they just, you know, do they have lower end jobs or do they have no jobs at all?
01:15:36.000Are they basically like, are the criminal people locked up or are they kind of allowed to roam freely and detach people?
01:15:42.000All of these things make a difference in how quality your life is.
01:15:45.000And, you know, the SNAP EBT stuff does matter.
01:15:47.000It matters a lot whether people on the lower end are purely kind of just living off government money or if they are working some kind of job.
01:15:57.000Well, and then in the vein of that, let's play Clip 329.
01:16:03.000It's so crazy that the president have a felony.
01:16:06.000Your baby daddy had a felony, but he can't have no job.
01:16:10.000And that's how people got to be on food stamps because baby daddy can't get no job because he got felonies and that requires you to go get on food stamps, right?
01:17:13.000The word got out circa 2020 again with TikTok and everything.
01:17:17.000Do these things and you can get past the Border Patrol in the U.S. You know, say you're under 18, even if you're over.
01:17:23.000We have tons of accounts of 30-year-olds ending up in high schools.
01:17:27.000You know, you can say one of these five stories will make you have a credible asylum claim, and then you'll get a court hearing.
01:17:34.000It'll be a while from now, and no one will follow up if you don't show up to it.
01:17:37.000So the word gets out on how to exploit the system.
01:17:41.000And in far too many things, we have a system that was basically the honor system.
01:17:46.000And, you know, it might have worked when honor had a lot of currency in America, and now it doesn't.
01:17:52.000Yeah, this is also, by the way, it gets us back to the Mamdani, right?
01:17:57.000It gets us because if we're going to import Gimmigrans to this country, that's the song, then, and who don't have that same sense of honor in their home cultures, who don't even have the concept of earning in their culture because they only have a concept of obtaining and receiving and having.
01:18:16.000Well, or, you know, a grievance-based ideology of hating.
01:18:23.000Because white Europeans have been such a vile scourge upon the world for so many centuries now that we have to take back what was.
01:18:30.000Then all of these systems completely fall apart.
01:18:33.000However, however, there may be a little bit of a silver lining here, perhaps some hope, because this is going to flip the entire conversation around.
01:18:43.000This program is keeping a lot of people unmarried, uneducated, don't want to, you know, do anything that will hinder the opportunity with their chance to lose their benefits.
01:18:56.000Only in America do we have people that have $1,200 iPhones checking to see if their snap benefits hit.
01:19:05.000Anyone who's on welfare, not for a disability, but because they can't provide for themselves, should not have the ability to vote in our society.
01:19:25.000Perhaps there's a silver lining that some people are actually pointing out that, no, these programs are big problems.
01:19:31.000And how many times did Charlie point out that the Great Society program, which goes back to his much maligned criticism of LBJ's 1960s programs, has completely destroyed certain communities in this country by bringing in big government, which goes back to the original turning point slogan of big gov sucks, that big government becomes dad and therefore you don't need dad.
01:19:56.000It destroys the families because it destroys your, it kind of destroys your ability or your incentive to behave responsibly, right?
01:20:03.000So if the government's going to come in and backstop you on everything, then it creates moral hazard, right?
01:20:08.000Why would you behave responsibly if you know the government's just going to give you everything?
01:21:12.000I think this is a good place to wrap up because if you insert this stuff into the culture, it's so difficult to extract it.
01:21:19.000And one of the things that I love when you talk about is the you probably got some of this during the Great Depression and the New Deal, right, Democrats.
01:21:28.000But then in the 60s, again, you had this new wave of government subsidies and handouts and welfare programs.
01:21:36.000Explain the difference between before and after, the American psychology of what it meant to take welfare and the honor and the dishonor that that was.
01:21:45.000And then after, how long did that happen?
01:21:46.000Well, one of the saddest things, one of the saddest things in hindsight to read is when they're rolling out the Great Society, which is LBJ's big welfare state thing, they would run into the problem that a lot of Americans would, out of pride, refuse to sign up for government programs.
01:22:05.000It was considered shameful to go on the dole.
01:22:09.000And when you think of how immensely successful America was for so long, you've got to think a society where it is shameful to go on the dole is probably going to be more successful than one where there is no shame.
01:22:24.000When there's no shame about being dependent on other people, to be dependent on the collective, then people are more likely to do it.
01:22:32.000And when you do that, it's a habit that you sink into.
01:22:37.000And one of the most important parts of maturity, and that a lot of people realize when they grow up, is you kind of, you become what you are based on what your habits are, what you do every single day.
01:22:48.000And if it is a habit, if it is a habit to take advantage of every way of getting free money, then it can become a habit to exploit this or to get as much of it as possible and to avoid other socially beneficial ways of making money.
01:23:07.000In the long run, you just have a worse society, a worse country.
01:23:10.000But I'm just going to, like, it still comes back, though, to mass immigration because there are parts of the world where what we would consider scamming, what we would consider gaming the system, lying for benefit are not necessarily considered shameful at all.
01:23:27.000Yeah, or at least certainly when abstracted out.
01:23:29.000A big thing that is not universal is this sort of sense of general obligations towards all of society or like the state apparatus.
01:23:39.000There are a lot of people who come from societies that are that are insular and clannish.
01:23:43.000And so you couldn't cheat your brother, your cousin, yeah, your person who's in your group in Afghanistan.
01:23:51.000But you can do anything to someone who's outside of that group.
01:23:55.000That's how probably everybody was 10,000 years ago.
01:23:59.000It was a rough process to change that.
01:24:00.000One of my buddies who was deployed to Afghanistan, I remember we were having this conversation just talking about the cultural differences, Eastern, Western.
01:24:09.000And he was saying that in America, it's considered corrupt for you to hire your family from a government position and give them contracts and take care of your family.
01:25:19.000But basically, instead of going with respect, we're not going to screw these places up because they're too precious to humanity.
01:25:26.000We go, let's just import a bunch of people that have no idea what the heck that culture is or where it came from.
01:25:32.000Some of this is self-inflicted because one of the traits of sort of that is like a universalizing outlook on life.
01:25:37.000A persistent, a persistent arrogance of a lot of arrogance of like, you know, historically like English, German, like European peoples is sort of the assumption that everyone is innately like them.
01:25:50.000This is still a critique we make of liberals.
01:25:52.000They like assume everyone in the world is sort of a Brooklyn liberal waiting to like come out after you like chip away at everything.
01:26:02.000Yeah, well, that is kind of the liberal assumption that people are inherently good.
01:26:36.000America is kind of like in the 20th century, maybe even the 19th century, is the blue banana writ large.
01:26:43.000It's sort of like the innovation came from this country.
01:26:46.000And instead of having a respect for the primordial goo that makes up this country, the foundational elements, the societal core, the culture and the character, we've just said, oh, screw it.
01:26:58.000We're going to open the doors and throw open the doors.
01:27:00.000There's a line, I think, from some French leftist, but I can't remember for sure, that is like, behind any great fortune is a great crime.
01:27:07.000And this is basically a very third world outlook to have.
01:27:14.000It's a world where there is not like progress and industry and modern stuff.
01:27:18.000And it kind of is a world that often makes sense if you're from a backward society.
01:27:21.000Yeah, if you're from a society where everyone is kind of roughly equally leveled and all of your wealth just sort of probably comes from like being a renter, a rentier, like an owner.
01:27:31.000Like, yeah, you might have to do something pretty bad to get a great fortune.
01:27:33.000This is like an idiotic book, Guns, Germs, and Steel.
01:27:39.000But in real life, it's like, okay, actually, no, if you wanted, behind a great fortune, if you're in America in 1955, what's behind your fortune?
01:27:48.000Probably that you or someone in your family developed and created something of enormous value to millions of people.
01:27:57.000So you enhanced the Besimer process for developing steel.
01:28:01.000You figured out a way to sell ice cream to millions of people and you could make it in a factory.
01:28:07.000It's innately that like wealth coming from value creation.
01:28:11.000And the more value you create, the more benefits that accrue to you.
01:28:15.000And that is the winning combination that worked in America at its peak, that worked in the UK at its peak, that worked in a lot of countries when they're peaking.
01:28:23.000And it's actually why, you know, China is rising now.
01:28:25.000And China's gotten better at adding value to things.
01:28:27.000That's why Charlie loved Elon Musk, candidly.
01:28:30.000Because instead of making wealth selling financial instruments and pieces of paper and finding a way to exploit or predict the market, he's actually making physical objects.
01:28:39.000Yeah, he developed an incredibly innovative electric car.
01:29:28.000Yeah, well, so part of this, by the way, the reason I feel like that is the blue banana is actually mostly a historically like urbanized zone.
01:29:34.000That has always been a very high population density.
01:29:36.000And so now you have these other big cities is what's going on there.
01:29:39.000But it also, that historical blue banana is also just, if you look at, you know, you can read the history of European science and industry and philosophy and all the big innovations.
01:29:49.000And they just come, it's not even, they come from Europe.
01:29:52.000They come from a remarkably narrow slice of why isn't there?