The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 106 — Democrat Sedition? Mankeeping? Epstein Files At Last?

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome back to Thought Crime Thursdays.

00:01:13.000 Got the whole crew here.

00:01:15.000 We're actually a five deep today.

00:01:16.000 This is great.

00:01:17.000 Jack is on assignment.

00:01:20.000 He is in an undisclosed bunker in the state of California, the People's Republic of Communist California.

00:01:27.000 He looks like me being in California is itself a thought crime.

00:01:31.000 Gavin Newsom, I told you I was coming, buddy.

00:01:34.000 He looks like he's been like, when we had extraordinary rendition, it looks like he's been rendered to like a CIA black site in Yugoslavia or something.

00:01:42.000 It's definitely Eastern European.

00:01:44.000 It should be brighter.

00:01:45.000 What can I say?

00:01:46.000 I'm reverting to my proper form as Postilviates Family. 0.98

00:01:51.000 You guys saw there was that doppelganger of me that got, I guess, like kicked out of the FBI for being gay, and he's like suing about over this.

00:02:00.000 We have that image.

00:02:01.000 Oh, of course you do.

00:02:03.000 So everybody was sending this, and they were like, Pesobic, how come I've never seen the two of you in the same room?

00:02:09.000 And I'm like, why are you doing me like that?

00:02:11.000 So basically, I just have to go and ask my dad a whole bunch of questions because I have no idea what's going on there.

00:02:19.000 Here it is.

00:02:20.000 Throw that up, gang, when you get it.

00:02:20.000 Throw it up.

00:02:23.000 This is Jack. 0.99

00:02:25.000 This is either gay Jack or Jack's gay, intelligent brother. 0.98

00:02:29.000 Teamu Jack. 0.98

00:02:30.000 When you order Jack on Grinder.

00:02:32.000 Oh, gosh.

00:02:33.000 When you order Posto on Grinder.

00:02:34.000 All right.

00:02:35.000 We have 11-year-olds watching.

00:02:37.000 So here, we're going to get to a bunch of stuff here too.

00:02:41.000 So this is why we're going to do this because I'm driving because I'm in studio.

00:02:45.000 So I'm going to do it a little different.

00:02:47.000 I haven't seen Tyler.

00:02:49.000 Is that a haircut?

00:02:50.000 What is that?

00:02:51.000 I did get a haircut a while back.

00:02:53.000 Did you pay for that?

00:02:53.000 A while back.

00:02:54.000 A few weeks ago.

00:02:55.000 Tyler hasn't been on Thought Crime for like a month.

00:02:58.000 I haven't been on Thought Crime.

00:02:59.000 Every time I've walked in, it's like too many people leave.

00:03:02.000 What?

00:03:03.000 It's because there's no hat.

00:03:05.000 Yeah, that's what it is.

00:03:06.000 I'm not wearing a hat.

00:03:07.000 That's what it is.

00:03:08.000 All right.

00:03:09.000 Here's what we're going to cover today.

00:03:10.000 Epstein Files release.

00:03:12.000 Is it too late?

00:03:14.000 Seditious Conspiracy 2025 edition.

00:03:17.000 That'll be topic two.

00:03:18.000 Topic three, Professor OnlyFans at the University of Washington.

00:03:23.000 Topic four.

00:03:25.000 This is where we don't know if we're going to get here or not.

00:03:27.000 Mankeeping epidemic.

00:03:28.000 Women ditching dudes for AI. 0.60

00:03:29.000 I hope we get to that one.

00:03:31.000 And then number five, Sidney Sweeney.

00:03:33.000 Is it a setup?

00:03:35.000 Dun, dun.

00:03:36.000 All right, Jack, Epstein Files release.

00:03:39.000 Is it too late?

00:03:40.000 Trump is now behind it.

00:03:42.000 Has the damage already been done?

00:03:43.000 Is this too late?

00:03:44.000 Is the political fallout already too great?

00:03:46.000 Man, I actually really want to get to that Sidney Sweeney thing because I have a hot take that I think we're all being set up by Sidney See.

00:03:52.000 Well, I know, but let's go in or you. 0.88

00:03:55.000 I know, I know, I know.

00:03:56.000 Just saying, just saying, I had to get it out there.

00:03:59.000 If we move quick, wait, did you bring the binder with you to California?

00:04:02.000 Oh, gosh.

00:04:04.000 No, the binder I actually used.

00:04:07.000 People get a little confused because now other people had like fake Epstein files in their binder.

00:04:13.000 My binder was given me directly by JD Vance himself.

00:04:16.000 And he said, Jack, you can't talk about this to anyone.

00:04:19.000 And I said, and I said, okay, but what is it?

00:04:21.000 And then he's like, don't open it.

00:04:22.000 So I opened it when I got home and inside was filled with nothing but rare magic the gathering cards.

00:04:29.000 And it was actually JD Vance's personal stash.

00:04:32.000 Wow.

00:04:32.000 I could see JD playing magic.

00:04:34.000 Kind of admit.

00:04:35.000 He almost certainly played MAG.

00:04:37.000 That's like definitely a JD Vance.

00:04:39.000 Let me just say, because it is a serious thing, right?

00:04:41.000 Like joking aside or whatever, and like binder jokes aside, like which I've had to go through and talk about for months now.

00:04:49.000 You know, this is something that was avoidable in terms of the political fallout.

00:04:52.000 I don't think it ever needed to be like this.

00:04:55.000 This was something that Trump had campaigned on.

00:04:58.000 This is something that MAGA has always stood for going back to like 2016 was, you know, justice for Jeffrey Epstein was exposing Jeffrey Epstein.

00:05:09.000 By the way, it was Trump's DOJ that actually arrested Epstein in the first place, which is something that I don't think he gets a lot of credit for in his first term.

00:05:16.000 Like he literally arrested Jeffrey Epstein, but no one gives him any credit for it.

00:05:21.000 But this whole thing with the files and the release, and then there's not going to be a release, and then there was nothing.

00:05:25.000 And now there's something.

00:05:26.000 It just feels like it just didn't need to get to this point, right?

00:05:31.000 It just didn't need to get to this point.

00:05:32.000 And I think there was a misunderstanding of how big of a deal of it was for the people.

00:05:39.000 It was a big, how big of a deal it was for the country.

00:05:42.000 And it's kind of a stand-in, right?

00:05:44.000 I think it's kind of a stand-in for establishment versus like anti-establishment.

00:05:51.000 So if you're pro-establishment, you must not want the Epstein files released.

00:05:55.000 If you're anti-establishment, you want the Epstein files released.

00:05:57.000 So it's something that for a lot of no-prop voters and low-prop voters and independents, it just became this huge proxy fight over whether or not you are part of quote-unquote the club or not.

00:06:10.000 And so, look, obviously, I've always stood for full disclosure.

00:06:14.000 And I'm like, look, people want to come at me.

00:06:16.000 And I'm like, I went to the White House.

00:06:18.000 I went to the Attorney General.

00:06:20.000 I went to the Director of the FBI.

00:06:21.000 I went to the President of the United States and I said, release the Epstein files. 0.70

00:06:24.000 Like, what else would you have me do?

00:06:26.000 And then we've been pushing for it ever since.

00:06:26.000 Right.

00:06:28.000 Now we got this bill.

00:06:29.000 I hope they're all released.

00:06:30.000 I hope every single piece of it comes out.

00:06:32.000 So I just want to make one correction, Jack.

00:06:35.000 You said that Trump campaigned on it.

00:06:37.000 MAGA has always stood for it.

00:06:39.000 I agree with you that MAGA has always stood for it.

00:06:41.000 MAGA has always wanted it.

00:06:42.000 But Trump didn't really campaign on it.

00:06:44.000 He got asked about it.

00:06:47.000 What's that?

00:06:49.000 He definitely mentioned it during the campaign.

00:06:50.000 Yeah, so he got asked about it in an interview and he said, I would lean towards full release.

00:06:55.000 Yeah.

00:06:56.000 Which was the right answer.

00:06:58.000 But it wasn't, you know, some of these other pieces about transparency, whether JFK files, MLK files, things like that.

00:07:06.000 He would get up on the stage and talk about a lot.

00:07:10.000 And he would do it at stop after stop.

00:07:11.000 When it came to the Epstein files, he did say when asked, but it wasn't something that he beat the drum on.

00:07:17.000 And so it's almost like a form of miscommunication.

00:07:22.000 And a disconnect between the admin and the base in the sense that I don't think Trump was as gung-ho as his base was.

00:07:27.000 The base thought that was like a package deal.

00:07:30.000 The base thought we get Epstein, we get JFK, we get all the stuff.

00:07:33.000 Trump, I don't think ever in his mind included it in the same cohort, if you will.

00:07:40.000 But his voters did.

00:07:41.000 So you're right.

00:07:42.000 It became like a proxy war out of like, is the establishment in control?

00:07:46.000 Is the deep state in control?

00:07:48.000 Are the people in control?

00:07:49.000 And so it was a total, I think, unforced error.

00:07:52.000 I mean, I'll never forget Amfest.

00:07:54.000 Everybody was talking about it at Amfest.

00:07:57.000 And, you know, that was the tone and tenor of the base.

00:08:00.000 But there was a lot of people that didn't understand that yet.

00:08:04.000 The SAS.

00:08:05.000 Because we haven't had any of that.

00:08:06.000 Oh, yeah, SAS.

00:08:07.000 Doing action summits.

00:08:09.000 It really was.

00:08:10.000 People, I don't know how much we could really say about it, but it really was.

00:08:13.000 It was such a frustrating period because we had episodes where people were really angry at Charlie, as was far too often the case, where Charlie was trying to be a helpful messenger.

00:08:23.000 He's trying to tell the White House, trying to tell others, guys, people are serious about this.

00:08:28.000 They're angry.

00:08:29.000 You have a messaging problem here.

00:08:31.000 And people would act like Charlie had decided to go and declare war on the White House.

00:08:36.000 No, the exact opposite.

00:08:38.000 Charlie was always trying to be the helpful messenger.

00:08:41.000 He was always in touch with the base.

00:08:44.000 And we saw it over and over again that people were walking up to us at Student Action Summit, were saying, oh, wow, we're really upset about this.

00:08:51.000 And we were trying to convey that to people.

00:08:54.000 Yeah, no, and I'll never forget some of the conversations that Charlie and I had had.

00:08:59.000 We'd look at each other going like, this is bad.

00:09:02.000 You know, like, people are really fired up about this.

00:09:06.000 And if we're going to tell the world how fired up they are about it, then we're going to run into people who don't understand where we're coming from.

00:09:15.000 And it's going to cause some consternation.

00:09:18.000 And it certainly did.

00:09:19.000 But I knew that between that and really what happened with the Iran strikes, I just knew that there was this fissure that was happening emerging, especially with Gen Z voters, which we had spent so much time courting in 2024.

00:09:35.000 And I think Charlie was, you know, pretty legitimately worried about it.

00:09:40.000 I think he was justified in some of his worries.

00:09:42.000 So now the question is to the team, I guess I'll ask, maybe Mikey, this is a good time to bring you in.

00:09:48.000 Is it too late to restore the trust that's maybe been damaged in this Epstein debacle?

00:09:55.000 No, I don't think it's too late.

00:09:57.000 But here's, you think back to the Russian hoax where a lot of people thought it was true and Trump was saying it's not true and the American people were getting a little bit frustrated thinking maybe there's more that was swept under the rug here.

00:10:09.000 But time and again, Epstein is this pathological liar so much to the point where you even saw the Dems pushing this narrative that he spent Thanksgiving with him.

00:10:19.000 And then you find on Melania's ex-account that they had Thanksgiving with some troops in some random area that Epstein wasn't even nearby.

00:10:28.000 But I don't think it's too far gone.

00:10:31.000 And there is a reality here where Trump has just called this thing a hoax because it truly is a hoax.

00:10:38.000 And once it is inevitably released, which my question actually, I do want to ask Blake how long it will actually take to get these things released realistically.

00:10:49.000 But once these things are released, I want to see how many of these people take accountability.

00:10:54.000 If Trump is totally innocent, if all these people are totally innocent, how many people will take responsibility for their words, their actions, having gotten so upset at Charlie, at different people saying that they're lying about the Epstein files, that Trump's actually in there.

00:11:09.000 But something else that I found out last night, too, that I just think is a funny little tidbit, and I'd love for maybe Blake to answer the question on how long it'll actually take for these things to get released is Epstein's youngest victim was in fact five years older than the prophet Muhammad's.

00:11:27.000 And so this is, I just, not to bring this thing back to Islam, have that to remember that.

00:11:32.000 That's a good thing to be talking about.

00:11:34.000 Aisha was eight.

00:11:35.000 Aisha was eight.

00:11:37.000 Yes.

00:11:38.000 That was a good idea.

00:11:39.000 I think she was younger.

00:11:42.000 She was six.

00:11:43.000 Six when married.

00:11:44.000 She was nine when taken into his house, if you catch the Hadith's wording, the drift thereof.

00:11:51.000 Taken into the house.

00:11:53.000 Yes, yes, indeed.

00:11:54.000 Like, it's always important to emphasize these things because it's there funny because you'll say it and people will like flinch.

00:11:59.000 Like, you're just, you're not supposed to say that.

00:12:01.000 We're really not supposed.

00:12:02.000 We used to have a much more polite society, which made us susceptible to being hoodwinked and taken advantage of by domineering, conquering cultures like Islam. 1.00

00:12:13.000 And now we've had to wake up and now we can't flinch.

00:12:16.000 We can't flinch at the truth anymore.

00:12:18.000 That's the truth.

00:12:20.000 We were a very polite, well-mannered society.

00:12:24.000 And we let people do their thing.

00:12:25.000 We didn't get into the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s.

00:12:28.000 60s.

00:12:28.000 70s, 80s.

00:12:31.000 I think the breakdown started in the 60s.

00:12:32.000 Yeah, well, a lot of people.

00:12:33.000 In the 60s, a lot of bad stuff happened in the 60s.

00:12:35.000 It's like that website, what happened in 1971 or so, where everything sort of starts to break.

00:12:40.000 Wages, industry, crime.

00:12:40.000 That's right.

00:12:43.000 A lot of bad ideas took root, and we're still reaping the consequences of it.

00:12:48.000 So, Blake, is it too late when we release the Epstein files?

00:12:51.000 The problem with the Epstein files, in my opinion, is it's the sort of thing where people have read so much, they believe so much about it that is truthfully not proven that I think, in a sense, nothing can satisfy the most hardcore Epstein people.

00:13:07.000 Other than, I guess, you could imagine, oh, found the secret trove.

00:13:10.000 Here's all of the, here's, here's 850 different global elites, and they were all pedophiles, and here's like their kids, and here's where their bodies are buried, and they all have to be dragged off to prison or execution now.

00:13:22.000 Awesome.

00:13:23.000 And if you don't have that.

00:13:24.000 On that question, do you think if they threw one person in prison?

00:13:29.000 Oh, no, that would just make the wolves more ravenous.

00:13:32.000 Do you think so?

00:13:33.000 But like, it really is.

00:13:35.000 I always encourage some degree of skepticism on this and caution because you really want to think, what do we truly, truly know?

00:13:44.000 We're having these press conferences the last few days of, first of all, they call them Epstein survivors.

00:13:49.000 I always find that wording sort of annoying.

00:13:51.000 Be careful, be careful.

00:13:52.000 I don't care.

00:13:53.000 I'm forging ahead.

00:13:53.000 I've just been making one enemy after another this past week.

00:13:57.000 And so survivors.

00:13:59.000 The implication of calling someone a survivor is that presumptively, if you said victim, it would mean they died.

00:14:06.000 So for example, a 9-11 victim is someone who died in 9-11.

00:14:09.000 A 9-11 survivor was in the Pentagon or in the World Trade Center and did not die.

00:14:13.000 Hence, why are they a survivor?

00:14:15.000 But the Epstein survivors, there are some where do we have any confirmed deaths?

00:14:20.000 No.

00:14:21.000 People make wild speculation, but I know of no missing.

00:14:24.000 Excuse me.

00:14:25.000 We have one confirmed death, Jeffrey Epstein.

00:14:27.000 True.

00:14:27.000 Okay.

00:14:28.000 One confirmed death.

00:14:28.000 Okay.

00:14:30.000 But besides that, we have no...

00:14:32.000 We have no...

00:14:34.000 No one went, as far as I know, no one went missing related to this case.

00:14:37.000 Most of the alleged victims were not even underage.

00:14:40.000 Virginia Guffery, there is Virginia Guffery did die under mysterious circumstances.

00:14:47.000 Suicide is the presumed death, but yeah, there's a lot of people.

00:14:51.000 When it's gone to court, it's like Virginia Guffery accused, basically, she accused Alan Dershowitz by name.

00:14:57.000 And what it ended up going is going to court ruled against her and had to apologize and say that her allegations were false.

00:15:06.000 And, you know, I guess you could say the entire court system was rigged against her. 0.98

00:15:10.000 But another possibility is just she oversold it.

00:15:13.000 We have other victims who, you know, were like delusional and were point, like they say, UNOs abducted them.

00:15:18.000 And again, I don't.

00:15:19.000 So having been now subjected to, and I think everybody could appreciate this on this on this show, being in the middle of conspiracy theories where you're like, that's subject matter.

00:15:35.000 That's false.

00:15:35.000 That's not true.

00:15:36.000 That's full of crap. 1.00

00:15:38.000 That's definitely fake. 1.00

00:15:39.000 It's just like one after the other after the other where you're like, okay, you see it.

00:15:43.000 Mikey, weren't you the one that was like, I will never look at a conspiracy theory the same way?

00:15:48.000 Well, yeah, I was.

00:15:48.000 I think you said that.

00:15:50.000 Yes.

00:15:51.000 Yeah, right.

00:15:52.000 Because I'm like conspiracy theorist on a lot of things, but I was actually having that conversation with you too, Andrew, where I was like, I always just kind of take everything with a grain of salt, but now I'm taking every conspiracy with a grain of salt.

00:16:07.000 Like, I'm questioning it, you know, is this really legit?

00:16:10.000 I'm more taking a Blake black pill stance on everything now.

00:16:15.000 I warn you guys.

00:16:16.000 Blake is like, I warned you guys.

00:16:18.000 But okay, but here's my point.

00:16:19.000 So what if with Epstein? 0.94

00:16:22.000 So, okay, I know that Dan and Cash took a bunch of crap when they came out and they were like, there's, you know, no list and he didn't kill himself or he did kill himself. 0.94

00:16:33.000 And that's what that's the truth. 0.97

00:16:35.000 And if it wasn't the truth, we would tell you.

00:16:36.000 And they took a bunch of gruff for that.

00:16:38.000 I know that they're on the hot seat on like a bunch of different things.

00:16:41.000 I get it.

00:16:42.000 But what if it was just like this whole thing has been like overblown? 1.00

00:16:47.000 Yeah, he was a scumbag. 0.99

00:16:48.000 Yeah, he apparently liked underage women, but they weren't like, apparently they weren't as young. 1.00

00:16:48.000 Yeah, he was a criminal. 1.00

00:16:54.000 I don't know what the youngest of the people were.

00:16:56.000 But the point is, like, what if it was just a little less impressive and crazy than we've all sort of been led to believe?

00:17:05.000 Like I said, it's worth remembering.

00:17:06.000 The claim that we've run into that you'll hear is that, you know, it was a massive pedophile ring or that it was a pedophile espionage ring.

00:17:16.000 You'll see that wording.

00:17:17.000 But what we have actual concrete evidence is.

00:17:20.000 It was a pedophile ring.

00:17:22.000 What do you mean wording?

00:17:24.000 We know it was a pedophile ring.

00:17:26.000 Do we?

00:17:28.000 Who abused anyone other than Epstein?

00:17:32.000 Prince Andrew, right?

00:17:33.000 No, we don't know.

00:17:34.000 We don't have hard proof of that.

00:17:35.000 And I think without anything, I think even with Prince Andrew, it's like she's 18 by the time anything happens, allegedly.

00:17:41.000 Okay.

00:17:41.000 Is anything even proven there?

00:17:43.000 Actually, that's a great point.

00:17:44.000 I don't have the details on that. 0.95

00:17:45.000 Definitely a pedophile. 0.96

00:17:46.000 Well, okay. 0.89

00:17:46.000 Well, here's the other thing, too, actually, because I do want to just talk about conspiracies in general. 0.89

00:17:53.000 Because someone gave me really good advice on this, and I think it is very good.

00:17:59.000 The skeptics, people that have skepticism and they're questioning of you or things you're involved in, oftentimes are the ones you want to win over because behind their skepticism is deep loyalty.

00:18:12.000 And once you win them over, they trust you and there's a deep-rooted trust and loyalty behind it.

00:18:18.000 So, I mean, I'm not coming after conspiracy theorists.

00:18:21.000 In fact, I am one on a lot of things.

00:18:23.000 But Blake and I actually go back and forth on these.

00:18:26.000 But I just want to clarify that as, you know, Andrew, we were having this conversation on, you know, I take everything with a grain of salt now.

00:18:34.000 Yeah, well, so at the time of the alleged incident.

00:18:37.000 You can lied to about so many things and then not ask questions.

00:18:41.000 Yeah.

00:18:42.000 We just, we can't.

00:18:42.000 All right.

00:18:43.000 Yeah.

00:18:44.000 At the time of the alleged incidents, Guffrey was 17 years old.

00:18:47.000 Okay.

00:18:48.000 Okay.

00:18:48.000 So she's at least alleged it.

00:18:50.000 Well, she did allege it.

00:18:52.000 Unfortunately, she's now dead.

00:18:54.000 Man, that sounded really.

00:18:55.000 Okay, now it does sound like a conspiracy.

00:18:59.000 Well, she alleged it.

00:18:59.000 No.

00:19:01.000 She turns up dead.

00:19:02.000 But it seems like the evidence is like.

00:19:06.000 I'd have to.

00:19:07.000 Actually, let me look up more of the stuff that I remember reading about it before I just go off.

00:19:12.000 But Virginia Guffrey, she made, we know she made wild allegations against people because she ended up getting wrecked in court on the basis of it. 0.99

00:19:20.000 Yeah.

00:19:21.000 And well, here's, here, can I, I'll just add a grain of salt to that, right?

00:19:25.000 And and I, and I'm not disagreeing with you.

00:19:28.000 I'm just saying that when you deal with people who have gone through sexual assault, sexual trauma, especially when it was done at a young age, at a vulnerable age, it typically does not leave them in a place where they are your like model witness, right?

00:19:47.000 It leaves them unstable.

00:19:48.000 It scars them for life.

00:19:49.000 It certainly does mess with your memories.

00:19:51.000 Now add to the fact that there are drugs and alcohol and all sorts of other things involved in this.

00:19:58.000 So this is why these cases in general are so very hard to bring in the first place in court.

00:20:04.000 No offense, Jack, but I heard that exact explanation of things when we were going through, frankly, a pretty big episode of American Hysteria, which was the campus sexual assault hysteria, where you had case after case after case, dozens of them, where people brought allegations against fellow classmates, against professors, mostly fellow classmates, though.

00:20:27.000 Where they would say, where like there would be stories that didn't add up.

00:20:31.000 And that's what they would say.

00:20:32.000 They would say, well, actually, you know, if their story is actually not consistent with the fact that you're lame back, that's evidence that it's true.

00:20:40.000 Yeah, so here, the official numbers, so there's a July 2025 memo from the U.S. Department of Justice and FBI, following a comprehensive review of Epstein's files, concluded that he victimized over 1,000 women and children over two decades.

00:20:56.000 There have been 36 identified victims in the 2005-2008 Florida investigation and more than 200 represented in lawsuits.

00:21:06.000 So, and then I guess Epstein's estate compensation fund has 225 claims against it.

00:21:13.000 So, that's a ring.

00:21:15.000 That's like, that's a pretty thousands of people.

00:21:18.000 You can get money.

00:21:18.000 What do you call that?

00:21:20.000 So, they made up a thing where you can get money if you say that you were abused by Jeffrey Epstein.

00:21:25.000 And we know people have gotten payouts from that who are not very reliable.

00:21:29.000 Again, a person who claims that she was abducted by UFOs as part of the Epstein thing got money through that compensation fund.

00:21:37.000 The Epstein victims compensation program established by his estate is valued at over $600 million at the time of his death, received 225 applications from alleged victims.

00:21:46.000 Of these, 150 were deemed eligible, and the fund paid out over $121 million with 92% of eligible claimants accepting.

00:21:57.000 So, it's, I mean, it's say what?

00:22:04.000 Pedophile ring.

00:22:05.000 I mean, it would have to be a ring to pay out 150 people, right?

00:22:09.000 Yeah, so it would have to be a much bigger pool of people because think about all the people that didn't apply.

00:22:17.000 But to Blake's point, like, you know, so there was some footage of this going around this week where some of these women were like, why don't you name the victims? 0.68

00:22:23.000 And they're like, we shouldn't have to.

00:22:25.000 Like, the FBI.

00:22:26.000 Yeah.

00:22:27.000 So again, I'm sorry, but like, you won't name, you say you were sexually assaulted.

00:22:31.000 Name them.

00:22:32.000 Make an accusation.

00:22:34.000 They're demanding that people do it for them because my guess is they don't actually have good evidence for it. 0.84

00:22:41.000 So they want to just do guilt by insinuation, which is, yeah, are some people dumb and they sent emails to Epstein? 0.91

00:22:48.000 Yeah, that's bad. 0.97

00:22:48.000 That's probably an error of judgment. 0.97

00:22:50.000 But that doesn't prove that they were taking part in sexual abuse, period.

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00:24:05.000 Let me come at this from another area because you just mentioned the emails, right?

00:24:08.000 And we have seen some emails released.

00:24:10.000 And like Jon Stewart was losing his mind on me last night.

00:24:13.000 So he brought up me and his monologue and was like, he's like, I can't believe Psovik isn't talking about these emails, which clearly reference Trump.

00:24:22.000 And I was like, I did talk about the emails.

00:24:24.000 He was talking about how he was trying to blackmail Trump or sneer Trump, smear Trump, or like ensnare him in his legal problems.

00:24:33.000 But there were no emails where he was like, oh, hey, me and Donald Trump need to cover up that thing we did on the island.

00:24:40.000 Like there's nothing like that in the emails.

00:24:42.000 I've just read it.

00:24:43.000 I read the emails out publicly.

00:24:45.000 But here's what's really weird, though, is have you guys seen these emails about Jeffrey Epstein where he's like, oh, let me set up a back channel with Lavrov in Syria.

00:24:56.000 Let me just connect you with like these Middle East partners.

00:25:00.000 Like, I do think there should be some scrutiny and, you know, beyond what we were just talking about, beyond the sex stuff, because this guy seems to be conducting a very odd level of shadow diplomacy between himself, world leaders, power brokers, all over.

00:25:20.000 And I don't know that we've ever actually gotten a seriously, you know, robust explanation for how he was able to do all this and how he's able to conduct this shadow diplomacy.

00:25:30.000 And so I can certainly see why people would think that when you add to that, this sort of club of people that surrounds him, this coterie going down to his island and doing these things and being involved with underage girls, that it seems to all be connected.

00:25:48.000 I still kind of like Mike.

00:25:49.000 This is much more of a crank theory, but I've kind of been amused by the idea.

00:25:53.000 So Epstein did have, he had involvement with a former Israeli prime minister.

00:25:56.000 He clearly was in contact with Israeli intelligence stuff.

00:26:01.000 Definitely is the best point in favor of some sort of conspiracy going on.

00:26:04.000 But I've also entertained the idea, what if Epstein himself basically believed in Israel conspiracy theories?

00:26:10.000 So he thought, if I'm buds with a former Israeli prime minister and other people in our government, they'll protect me from getting arrested.

00:26:18.000 Well, you know, okay, that's fun.

00:26:22.000 Ehud Barak was the head of the Mossad.

00:26:24.000 Yeah.

00:26:25.000 He was literally the head of the Mossad prior to becoming prime minister.

00:26:28.000 Like, that's not a conspiracy theory.

00:26:29.000 You could just, you can look that up on Wikipedia.

00:26:32.000 I mean, the most obvious explanation here is that he was probably loosely connected with a lot of these governments, had these loose affiliations, friendships.

00:26:41.000 You know, he was a networker.

00:26:42.000 He was known as an international financier, which, and he was buds with all these powerful people.

00:26:47.000 So once you become a known commodity, you start getting like welcomed into more and more social circles.

00:26:53.000 Plus, he had no scruples, so he's willing to do dirty deals, and he was probably a useful financial sort of launderer of money to connect dots that other people wouldn't do.

00:27:04.000 I mean, I've never been convinced that he was actually in the pocket of any one of these groups.

00:27:09.000 He was sort of like a gun for hire if somebody needed something done and he was willing to sort of connect the dots and be the go-between and get the money from point A to point B.

00:27:18.000 And he probably took up his pound of flesh along the way.

00:27:23.000 I'm not convinced that he was necessarily doing the honeypot thing. 0.91

00:27:28.000 It's just as plausible to me that he could have just been a really sick, like perverted fetishist that was into slightly illegal or barely illegal. 0.71

00:27:40.000 What's the term they use? 0.86

00:27:41.000 Like where it's like 16, 17 year olds, right?

00:27:43.000 As opposed to 18.

00:27:45.000 It's almost like he's the kind of guy that once they turn 18 or 19, he lost interest.

00:27:49.000 Like there was something deeply sick about this guy.

00:27:52.000 It could have just been that he liked that and he wanted to have parties with other people he was interested in and try and get them involved too.

00:27:58.000 The honeypot thing, I'm not 1,000% convinced about this.

00:27:58.000 I don't know.

00:28:02.000 I would just say if there was a honeypot, I just think there'd be some actual evidence for it.

00:28:06.000 And people really love the ideas of elaborate blackmail rings.

00:28:11.000 And it's like, I would always question this if we would have members of Congress and stuff come on and say, oh yeah, members of Congress get blackmailed by the intelligence agencies to do what they want.

00:28:20.000 And all I would say is, if you say that's happening, if you know that's happening, give me a name of someone who did it because you'd instantly be a hero if you could name a person with a specific situation where this happened.

00:28:30.000 I think people reach assumptions.

00:28:32.000 I think they love to traffic in ideas that sound lurid or dramatic or cinematic, we might say.

00:28:41.000 But there's got to be pressure to actually go after what we know, what is provable.

00:28:47.000 People are saying, again, with these victims where they're saying, why don't you name some people to accuse?

00:28:51.000 And they'll come up with explanations like, well, they shouldn't have to, or they'll say, we could be sued because we signed an NDA.

00:28:58.000 I would counter that with a few things.

00:29:00.000 First of all, if they're waiting for names to get released through documents, it kind of creates this, I would invite the possibility they're worried they would name someone who would then actually be totally exonerated by documents coming out or someone who just doesn't show up at all.

00:29:16.000 Whereas once names come out, they can go, oh yeah, that person, that's the person who did it.

00:29:22.000 That's not, that seems a little weird.

00:29:24.000 And also, I would say, this might be naive of me, but given the frenzy that is around this, if they name a specific person, I think that person is, I think they're unlikely to get sued for violating an NDA right now.

00:29:40.000 I just.

00:29:41.000 Given the you're going to want more attention on you by suing someone just for violating an NDA.

00:29:48.000 Not for defamation, but for violating an NDA.

00:29:50.000 Well, I find that unlikely.

00:29:51.000 Ultimately, the fact that we're still arguing about this is the real reason why this issue was a hot potato for President Trump and the admin is because there is such a hunger to know what the truth is and there is such an inability seemingly to get to the truth.

00:30:06.000 So listen, I think it's good that President Trump has come out and said, hey, I want this to all be public.

00:30:13.000 I can't say that it's not too late.

00:30:15.000 I'm not convinced that it's not.

00:30:16.000 Can I say this, though?

00:30:18.000 If they would have, even though we're arguing if it's too late or not too late, what we probably can agree on is if there was a better, more proactive strategy coming right into this second administration with handling this, that was.

00:30:33.000 Even if it wasn't what people wanted to hear, I think we would have been able to get past it and it would have probably, I mean, Hindsight's always 2020, but like, obviously, I don't think people took this as seriously.

00:30:45.000 Or I think some of the thought process was that the White House was like, oh, well, you know, we can maybe kick this down the road up here.

00:30:54.000 Yeah, it'll blow over or whatever.

00:30:55.000 Not care about this anymore as much.

00:30:56.000 Like this was like a hot topic of a few years ago and it's like kind of dead.

00:31:00.000 And there's other bigger issues that we're dealing with.

00:31:03.000 And I think that probably, again, Hindsight's always 2020, but regardless of what the outcome was, they should have just handled this basically in January, like come right out and be like, we're just going to get this taken care of and over with.

00:31:16.000 And yeah, I still think, yeah, and I, by the way, Jack, I think the whole binder thing that they put you through, which was a total farce, and I feel bad for you for that, because you were just trying.

00:31:28.000 I don't know the story there, but apparently you weren't even thinking that that was going to happen.

00:31:31.000 Nobody thought that.

00:31:32.000 It was just they totally snucked that up on you.

00:31:34.000 It was supposed to be a policy briefing.

00:31:36.000 It was literally a series.

00:31:36.000 Yeah.

00:31:37.000 I mean, I've said this, like, I went on Piers the next day and talked about it after the memo came out, but I was like, it was a series of policy briefings that we were invited to.

00:31:46.000 And so, like, Bobby Kennedy came in and Marco Rubio came in and JD Vance started the whole thing off.

00:31:52.000 And then we went to the Oval Office and, you know, got pictures, very cool, got the challenge coins.

00:31:57.000 And then Pam Bondi came in. 1.00

00:32:00.000 And that's when that was the very first time at that point that we heard anything about Epstein.

00:32:07.000 Like, Epstein was just not even on the list or the agenda at all.

00:32:12.000 Here's my read on what happened there is because we talked about the difference between Trump and whether or not he campaigned on it versus the movement has always stood for it.

00:32:23.000 And I think even Trump's own administration was like, hey, of course we're going to start bringing transparency to this Epstein thing.

00:32:31.000 And then Pam Bondi kind of got kind of mud slung on her from that whole situation. 0.79

00:32:36.000 It looked ill-prepared. 0.99

00:32:38.000 It looked inept. 0.99

00:32:39.000 It just optically was not good. 0.96

00:32:41.000 But I think there was just such sort of an assumption.

00:32:43.000 They could have given us the actual files the day of.

00:32:46.000 And like, I'm done.

00:32:47.000 Like, if you're going to release something, release something.

00:32:50.000 Don't play it.

00:32:51.000 Don't phase one it.

00:32:52.000 Don't drip it.

00:32:52.000 Yeah.

00:32:53.000 But here's the thing.

00:32:54.000 I just think it was assumed in the admin that, of course we would do this thing.

00:32:57.000 And then I think it ran into problems internally.

00:32:59.000 Trump thought it was a hoax.

00:33:00.000 Trump thought it was a distraction.

00:33:02.000 There was just a disconnect because there was a disconnect from the top to kind of the bottom, you know?

00:33:09.000 Andrew, do you think, do you think this is one of those things, and maybe even writ large, that like it's also a split between like where you get your media?

00:33:19.000 Because so on social media, this has been the number one story for like a decade.

00:33:24.000 You know what I mean?

00:33:24.000 Like there's, there's always sort of your story of the day, but then there's always the story right under that is always Jeffrey Epstein.

00:33:31.000 And it was a story that had the longest, you know, longevity on social media since about 2017 or so.

00:33:37.000 And then that's when Mike Cernovich sued to get the documents and a lot of other people have been talking about it.

00:33:43.000 Miami Herald came in and Julie Brown.

00:33:45.000 And then it's something where like it just wasn't really a narrative on cable news though.

00:33:52.000 So if you get your information from cable news primarily, you obviously remember when Epstein got arrested in the first Trump admin.

00:34:00.000 You remember his death in prison.

00:34:03.000 But then it just sort of goes away.

00:34:04.000 It's like not really a story on cable news, but on social media, it never went away.

00:34:10.000 So if you're someone who's on social media all the time, you're seeing Epstein every day.

00:34:14.000 If you're someone who only watches cable news, you haven't seen it in six years.

00:34:18.000 Yeah, no, and I think also, yes, it was a huge story bubbling under the surface for years.

00:34:25.000 And I think that's one of the best defenses here is that, you know, the Dems didn't do anything with this when they had power.

00:34:30.000 And they would have hit Trump had they had something on Trump.

00:34:33.000 That was always the best argument.

00:34:34.000 It was the argument Charlie went to.

00:34:37.000 But it's a story that serves as a proxy, as you said, for so many different stories.

00:34:42.000 Like, you know, what we saw with trafficking, what we saw with the sound of freedom, what we've seen with just the sexualization of young people, what we've seen from the elites and the globalists.

00:34:54.000 And I mean, it was just like the story has everything, right?

00:34:58.000 Like international espionage, high finance.

00:35:02.000 It has corruption.

00:35:03.000 It has elites.

00:35:04.000 It has Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, Bill Gates.

00:35:07.000 It's got all these things.

00:35:09.000 Reid Hoffman.

00:35:10.000 Now we find out Larry Summers.

00:35:11.000 It's just so, there's so much there.

00:35:14.000 And I think to Blake's point, though, there's so much there that it's tempting and seductive to believe that it ties all the disparate pieces of how we made sense of the world over the last eight to 10 years, where it just is inevitably going to fall short.

00:35:31.000 The truth is going to fall short of the narrative that we've sort of sold ourselves or that we've speculated about endlessly over the years.

00:35:40.000 And it's weird because almost it takes somebody like Trump who's been exposed to that echelon of American life and international life to understand that it's just not as cool as we think of it in our own heads.

00:35:55.000 So I don't know.

00:35:56.000 But again, that's where a guy like Trump maybe couldn't, President Trump maybe couldn't see it because he's been living in that rarefied air for so long.

00:36:04.000 But we, the people, the base, it makes sense of so much, but ultimately it's inevitable that it will fall short.

00:36:10.000 We have breaking news.

00:36:12.000 We have breaking news, everyone.

00:36:14.000 The White House has clarified that President Trump does not want to execute members of Congress.

00:36:21.000 Okay, good.

00:36:22.000 Well, this is a perfect lead-in.

00:36:24.000 Big, big flip-flop.

00:36:25.000 Big flip-flop from the White House on this one.

00:36:28.000 We didn't say it.

00:36:29.000 We are live, so that is me in the chat responding to you.

00:36:33.000 And if you guys have any Rumble rants, please send them in.

00:36:36.000 And we will read them.

00:36:38.000 Blake is on watch for the Rumble Rants, and your Rumble Rant will be given priority.

00:36:43.000 So throw them in, folks.

00:36:45.000 But yes, so that was the other big thing we really wanted to talk about today.

00:36:49.000 So we were talking earlier on the show, the daytime show.

00:36:52.000 Oh, wait, no, we didn't talk about it.

00:36:54.000 We were distracted by something else.

00:36:55.000 Anyway, Democrats basically told the military that they should defy orders from President Trump.

00:37:01.000 Let's put it in TikTok.

00:37:03.000 Yeah, we do have it.

00:37:04.000 Let's do 316.

00:37:06.000 I'm Senator Alyssa Slacken.

00:37:08.000 Senator Mark Kelly.

00:37:09.000 Representative Chris DeLuzio.

00:37:11.000 Congresswoman Maggie Goodlander.

00:37:12.000 Representative Chrissy Houlihan.

00:37:14.000 Congressman Jason Crowe.

00:37:15.000 Yeah, I was a captain in the United States Navy.

00:37:17.000 Former CIA officer.

00:37:19.000 Former paratrooper and Army Ranger.

00:37:19.000 Former Navy.

00:37:21.000 Former intelligence officer.

00:37:23.000 Former Air Force.

00:37:24.000 We want to speak directly to members of the military and the intelligence community who take risks each day to keep Americans safe.

00:37:30.000 We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now.

00:37:33.000 Americans trust their military.

00:37:35.000 But that trust is at risk.

00:37:37.000 This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens.

00:37:43.000 Like us, you all swore an oath.

00:37:45.000 To protect and defend this Constitution.

00:37:48.000 Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren't just coming from abroad, but from right here at home.

00:37:52.000 Our laws are clear.

00:37:54.000 You can refuse illegal orders.

00:37:56.000 You can refuse illegal orders.

00:37:58.000 You must refuse illegal orders.

00:38:01.000 No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our Constitution.

00:38:05.000 We know this is hard and that it's a difficult time to be a public servant.

00:38:08.000 But whether you're serving in the CIA, in the Army, or Navy, the Air Force, your vigilance is critical.

00:38:14.000 And know that we have your back.

00:38:16.000 Because now, more than ever, the American people need you.

00:38:20.000 We need you to stand up for our laws, our Constitution, and who we are as Americans.

00:38:25.000 Don't give up.

00:38:28.000 Don't give up the ship.

00:38:32.000 You must refuse illegal orders.

00:38:38.000 But then what's great about this is, so that happened over the weekend, I think, or on Monday.

00:38:43.000 It happened a few days ago.

00:38:44.000 We even talked about it a few days ago.

00:38:46.000 Yeah, and so it happened a few days ago.

00:38:46.000 It was on Monday.

00:38:48.000 And then Trump became aware of it and began posting on truth about it.

00:38:54.000 So let's do, I think 315 is the first one here.

00:38:58.000 So he says, it's called seditious behavior at the highest level.

00:39:03.000 Each one of these traitors to our country should be arrested and put on trial.

00:39:10.000 Their words cannot be allowed to stand.

00:39:13.000 We won't have a country anymore.

00:39:15.000 An example must be set, President DJ.

00:39:19.000 Let's go.

00:39:21.000 Let's go.

00:39:24.000 Yeah, I agree, actually.

00:39:26.000 You know, you brought up something at the end of Trump 1.0 where Mark Milley sent out that it was, I think it was after January 6th, and it basically was like, you know, reminder to everyone.

00:39:36.000 No, it was during Summer of Floyd, Summer of Floyd.

00:39:38.000 Was it during Summer of Floyd?

00:39:39.000 Yeah, it was because it was up today.

00:39:40.000 I thought, are you sure?

00:39:41.000 The remember you're he maybe did another one after January 6th, but the one I was thinking of when we talked about it the other day was Summer of Floyd during the riots in D.C.

00:39:50.000 And he sends the letter to all the troops being like, remember, we swear an oath to the Constitution, and the Constitution includes the right to protest and speak.

00:39:59.000 And I really think that the implication of that was if Trump told them to stop riots in Minneapolis in D.C. with force, they were paving the way to just defy the president, which would have been effectively a military coup d'état against the United States.

00:40:16.000 And I feel like they might be laying the groundwork for that here, too.

00:40:19.000 They want Democrats very clearly want someone in the military to just say they are not going to obey the president's orders on the border, on immigration, on drug traffickers.

00:40:32.000 They want to create that constitutional crisis so they can justify what we know to be true, which is a huge amount of D.C., is effectively hostile to the elected president of the United States.

00:40:43.000 And they think that they can engineer some, you know, a bureaucratic or military undermining of that elected presidency, which would be very bad for the country, to say the least.

00:40:54.000 Let's get another clip before we go on.

00:40:56.000 Chuck Schumer decided to react to this.

00:40:57.000 Let's play 317. 0.91

00:40:59.000 Earlier today, Donald Trump shared a post on Truth Social calling for Democratic members of Congress to be hanged.

00:41:08.000 He also posted a message that said, seditious behavior, punishable by death. 0.52

00:41:14.000 Let's be crystal clear.

00:41:16.000 The president of the United States is calling for the execution of elected officials.

00:41:23.000 This is an outright threat, and it's deadly serious.

00:41:29.000 I feel like if you really believed that, he wouldn't be doing a speech like that on the floor of Congress.

00:41:34.000 He knows he's not going to get arrested.

00:41:34.000 Of course not.

00:41:37.000 There's no actual risk to him.

00:41:41.000 Because Trump's not a dictator.

00:41:42.000 He's not trying to hang.

00:41:43.000 All I'm going to say is if Trump is going to arrest lawmakers, he should arrest Ilhan Omar to denaturalize her and send her back to Somalia.

00:41:53.000 Please, I'm begging you.

00:41:56.000 Ilhan Omar posted something.

00:41:58.000 She used the classic Democrat phrase where she was like, she posted Trump's truth socials and she was like, this is not normal.

00:42:05.000 And I'm like, okay, Ilhan Omar, can you just inform us what exactly is normal for sedition and treason in Somalia, your home country?

00:42:14.000 Can we talk about what they do to people in Somalia? 1.00

00:42:18.000 Mikey, perhaps you have some thoughts on the matter as to what they do in Somalia to traitors.

00:42:25.000 I just, I think, to Blake's point, why would Chuck Schumer be immediately taking to the floor and saying something like this when his murderous dictator president is threatening to kill members of Congress?

00:42:38.000 Wouldn't you be a little scared?

00:42:40.000 And then on top of that, these clips are so funny to me.

00:42:44.000 But then on top of that, like you have the no-kings protest. 0.84

00:42:47.000 This is what the Democratic Party stands for.

00:42:49.000 It's just, it takes something that is nothing at all, and then they paint it in the most radical picture as possible, which is Trump is a king. 0.98

00:42:58.000 Trump is a dictator. 0.98

00:42:59.000 Trump wants to hang members of Congress. 0.99

00:43:02.000 But I mean, if you actually want to look at the most radical, disgusting places in the world, look no further than Elon Omar's hometown in Somalia, where the IQ is on par of mental retardation for the most part. 1.00

00:43:19.000 And honestly, I would like an answer on if Elon Omar has married her brother for citizenship.

00:43:24.000 I think we would like an answer on that.

00:43:26.000 I think Blake made a statement earlier, like a month ago, where he said, you know what?

00:43:31.000 Elon Omar could sue me because I want to find out during the case if that is true.

00:43:35.000 Because we all know it is really true.

00:43:38.000 But there is no standard for moral, there is no morality in Somalia. 0.84

00:43:43.000 There is no morality for these members of Congress.

00:43:45.000 There is they have no standard.

00:43:48.000 Their morality is they are tribal.

00:43:51.000 They will do anything for their tribe or clan.

00:43:53.000 It doesn't matter if it's rigging something, cheating something, scamming something.

00:43:58.000 They will do it for their own clan. 0.80

00:44:00.000 And that is basically the extent of their morality.

00:44:02.000 Blake, didn't this come up actually in like the Minneapolis mayoral primary?

00:44:08.000 Because like Ilhan Omar apparently is from a different clan than Omar Fatah.

00:44:13.000 So she endorsed Jacob Fry.

00:44:15.000 And he won.

00:44:17.000 Because she was like in a rival clan to Omar Fatah.

00:44:21.000 And she was making references to this in the Somali community.

00:44:24.000 This is great.

00:44:25.000 So Somalian inter-tribal conflict is now deciding American political representation here at home.

00:44:34.000 Isn't that great?

00:44:35.000 And you think that's exactly what the founding fathers intended.

00:44:38.000 Yeah, right.

00:44:39.000 You imagine the founding fathers taking a snapshot of 2025 and being like, yeah, and here's our Somali town.

00:44:44.000 I love this.

00:44:45.000 It's called Minneapolis.

00:44:46.000 I love this from Truth, where President Donald J. Trump re-truthed someone on Truth who says, hang them, George Washington would.

00:44:57.000 So this is where all these people are getting off on the fact that President Trump wants to execute these representatives.

00:45:06.000 Now we have image 351.

00:45:08.000 We have a clarification.

00:45:10.000 We have a clarification.

00:45:12.000 Trump does not want to execute members of Congress, White House says.

00:45:18.000 Flip-flopping.

00:45:19.000 This timeline.

00:45:20.000 Flip-flopping the status, John Kerry.

00:45:22.000 But here's the deal, though.

00:45:24.000 I mean, like, in a very real sense, in a very real sense, right?

00:45:30.000 These members of Congress, senators and members of, I guess, House of Representatives, they were encouraging the military to refuse orders from their lawful civil authority, the President of the United States, the commander-in-chief.

00:45:44.000 Now, they said illegal orders, but like who's to determine what illegal you guys think?

00:45:49.000 Everything he does is illegal.

00:45:52.000 They're like, they're like, yeah, just illegal orders.

00:45:54.000 Huh, huh, huh?

00:45:56.000 Yeah, these are the same people who say that Donald Trump is an illegal president.

00:45:59.000 They say they don't respect anything to do with his administration. 0.97

00:46:02.000 These are the same people who just 1.7 million liberals just voted for a guy who said that who campaigned that conservative children should be killed. 0.82

00:46:13.000 So excuse me if I don't believe the Democrats.

00:46:16.000 And they tried, by the way, they tried to coup President Trump in his first term with lies from the national security state, the military, like Alexander Vinman, and the intelligence community.

00:46:26.000 They literally did this in the first administration.

00:46:29.000 So there's no question.

00:46:30.000 There's no question that when they are talking about things like this, that's what they're doing.

00:46:35.000 They're trying to solicit for more whistleblowers, quote unquote, these like fake whistleblowers to come forward with dirt on Trump so they can get another impeachment going because they think they're going to win the midterms.

00:46:46.000 And if they do so, they want to have an impeachment already brewing when they get in power.

00:46:50.000 Well, listen, they're advocating for the third worlding of the United States government to turn the U.S. into a place like where you have military juntas and coup d'états where they just seize power from the people's elected representatives because, oh, we think you're doing it wrong and you're doing something illegal.

00:47:08.000 We just deemed it illegal.

00:47:10.000 Sorry, that's not how it works.

00:47:11.000 And so the fact that you see President Trump getting upset about it, I think is completely justifiable.

00:47:16.000 And here's the proof.

00:47:18.000 They're already walking it back on CNN.

00:47:20.000 This is rep Jason Crowe who's saying, oh, we weren't saying to disobey anything right now.

00:47:25.000 352.

00:47:26.000 So are you saying that there was not necessarily any particular precipitating event?

00:47:30.000 There is no specific thing out there that made you decide now was the right time.

00:47:35.000 That's right.

00:47:36.000 To be clear, we are not calling on folks right now to debate, to disobey any type of unlawful order.

00:47:42.000 There is very real and deep concern about what this president has threatened to do over and over again.

00:47:48.000 There are three more years left of this administration.

00:47:51.000 If we are not talking about this and having a conversation about it and demystifying this conversation, we are not fulfilling our duty.

00:47:59.000 We are reminding people that have taken the oath what that oath requires of them to do.

00:48:05.000 You know, okay, you know, I have a free idea for the admin.

00:48:08.000 Okay, we probably shouldn't arrest members of Congress for treason, even though it would be nice sometimes.

00:48:15.000 But unironically, a person I do think is essentially a traitor to the United States is Alejandro Mayorkas.

00:48:22.000 Yes.

00:48:22.000 Alejandro Mayorkas took a calculated step to just blow out America's border and let unlimited numbers of foreigners, including, we know, we just know for an ironclad fact, foreign gangsters, foreign spies, foreign who knows who, terrorists, if we will, possible terrorist sympathizers, just let everyone into the United States.

00:48:41.000 Total, deliberate, calculated meltdown at the border, not based on any legal reasoning whatsoever.

00:48:46.000 This was not mandatory.

00:48:47.000 We are allowed to have a border.

00:48:48.000 And he just let every single person in. 0.98

00:48:50.000 Alejandro Mayorkas is a traitor to the United States.

00:48:53.000 Alejandro Mayorkas, he could not have done more damage to the United States in his handling of the border than just if you literally put a Chinese asset in charge of that job. 0.98

00:49:05.000 Impossible.

00:49:06.000 Maybe it can't be literal like treason, but like there is, there should be some crime you can charge him with, in my opinion.

00:49:12.000 Amen to that.

00:49:13.000 You know, I'm all on board for that.

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00:50:26.000 No, I think that's right.

00:50:27.000 And I'd be remiss if we weren't here.

00:50:30.000 And we are talking about political violence.

00:50:33.000 And and look, you know Charlie isn't here uh, co-hosting this show because of political violence, like we did every single thursday and tried so hard to, you know, work with his schedule and he always made time to be on thought crime and we can't do that.

00:50:50.000 And you guys who are there in studio are sitting next to an empty chair because of political violence.

00:50:55.000 So don't sit there and tell us that.

00:50:57.000 You know, we don't know the consequences, because we literally know the consequences.

00:51:01.000 Today's Erica's birthday and she's celebrating that without Charlie because of political violence.

00:51:06.000 And so if you want to talk about people who deserve to be executed, it's anyone who was involved with this plot and especially the person who pulled the trigger on Charlie, because that is an express act of violence, not just against Charlie, not just against his family, but against our entire country and our entire political system.

00:51:25.000 That's what you should execute people for.

00:51:28.000 We uh, I totally agree. 0.95

00:51:30.000 Well said, Jack.

00:51:31.000 And, by the way, I think next week we should go into the Turkey Tom stuff, jack. 0.80

00:51:36.000 Yes, I think we should do that on this show.

00:51:38.000 I think our audience needs to to hear about it.

00:51:41.000 I'll be there.

00:51:42.000 I'll be there in person.

00:51:43.000 So let's do it.

00:51:44.000 Yeah, I think that'd be really powerful and, for those of you who don't know, there was leaked discord chats.

00:51:48.000 Chat Jack's been doing a great job like.

00:51:51.000 Highlighting them adds a lot of context and new details and layers of evidence.

00:51:58.000 I think that that help make sense of the psychology of what was going on in that household much, much of which is well corroborated too, by the way well corroborated and and it seems to be authentic.

00:52:10.000 So I think we should go into that uh, next year.

00:52:12.000 I'm just calling, calling this, calling it right now.

00:52:14.000 So uh, let's go on to the next topic here jack, because you have, you have topics you want to get to and they were put at the end of the list here professor, only fans.

00:52:22.000 This is hold on.

00:52:23.000 Before we jump, before we jump, because we did.

00:52:25.000 We got a super chat.

00:52:26.000 That was a rumble rant, that was about me, it was about the first topic, so we didn't want to derail by going backwards.

00:52:32.000 But uh, Dj Gowitz said, part of me wonders if Bondi would have deliberately humiliated influencers like our friend Jack to gain favor with FOX hoping to get a show when she is done as a g.

00:52:44.000 I know Fox can't be thrilled about new media.

00:52:48.000 We've got a new theory to add to the pile there, so I guess Jack would be the one to decide if that sounds plausible.

00:52:55.000 Um no no, I don't think so because, you know this, this was set up as a way for you know, the administration to build relationships with new media.

00:53:08.000 Like the whole point of it was to try to strengthen those relationships and understand that hey, you know the audience, you know America, the American citizen isn't just watching cable news anymore, isn't just watching legacy media anymore.

00:53:21.000 So the entire point of the exercise was to, you know, build a stronger relationship with new media.

00:53:27.000 So I don't I get what they're saying.

00:53:29.000 I just no, I just don't think that's.

00:53:31.000 That's where it came from.

00:53:32.000 I really just think it was.

00:53:34.000 You know, it was poor judgment and I'm very glad that they changed course on this.

00:53:39.000 All right professor, only fans.

00:53:41.000 Keep sending your rumble rants.

00:53:43.000 By the way, we will answer them.

00:53:44.000 That's the deal.

00:53:45.000 We will answer every one of them.

00:53:46.000 Blake will make sure of it, which I love about Blake.

00:53:49.000 All right professor, only fans.

00:53:50.000 This is a model, only fans model.

00:53:52.000 Do we have to call them models? 0.90

00:53:54.000 This is, she's an online hook prostitutes yeah uh, Ari Katsia. 0.98

00:54:00.000 Katsia speaks at University OF Washington, my alma mater.

00:54:04.000 Which was embarrassing at University OF Washington to psych 201 class of 1200 students dang 1200 kids were in a psych 201 class.

00:54:15.000 Let's go ahead and play it 314.

00:54:24.000 One of the very first times that I started, I didn't do it.

00:54:28.000 It's not allowed on OnlyFans.

00:54:32.000 Somebody asked me to a box and send it to a female for $10,000 so they could eat it. 1.00

00:54:37.000 And I did not do it.

00:54:39.000 God, how much does it have to have?

00:54:41.000 $10,000.

00:54:42.000 Oh, my God.

00:54:44.000 I'm in the rock.

00:54:48.000 One, that was disgusting, too.

00:54:50.000 I think, was that Mario music at the start?

00:54:52.000 I think she was her own social media.

00:54:55.000 Yeah, that was we.

00:54:57.000 I just want to say.

00:54:58.000 College is a scam.

00:54:59.000 You can pick up your copy of Charlie's book.

00:55:03.000 This is going to go down.

00:55:04.000 This is going to go down as one of Charlie's most important contributions.

00:55:08.000 One of the most important.

00:55:09.000 Legitimately.

00:55:10.000 He wrote this book, and I kind of thought, Charlie, you know, it turned out to be his instincts for it were spot on.

00:55:17.000 And I mean, it's just, I just find, Blake, I was telling you this at lunch today.

00:55:22.000 The lack of class in our culture, the lack of standards.

00:55:27.000 Like, can you imagine, okay, take your mind back to a classroom at like Columbia University at the turn of the last century.

00:55:34.000 And, you know, I'm just thinking, you know, the standards.

00:55:37.000 They wanted you to understand Latin, history, and classics, and you wore a suit to class, and everybody was like, and there were no women allowed. 1.00

00:55:45.000 I mean, you know, listen.

00:55:48.000 Now it's majority female. 1.00

00:55:50.000 Now it's majority women. 1.00

00:55:51.000 The great feminization has occurred. 0.93

00:55:53.000 So the point is, it's just like, it bothers me that we have so debased ourselves that we are now at a situation where only fan online hookers are welcomed in to teach a psychology class. 0.81

00:56:08.000 What the heck has happened to us?

00:56:10.000 No, no.

00:56:11.000 Oh, yes, Mikey.

00:56:12.000 I like what you said.

00:56:14.000 Yeah, people don't have standards anymore, especially at universities. 0.93

00:56:18.000 But look, if you're not ashamed that your student, that your kids who are at university are taking a lecture course from a prostitute who's bragging about pooping in a box to make extra income. 0.98

00:56:33.000 Like, this is a disgusting thing. 0.99

00:56:36.000 Charlie warned about this, but he also warned about this when there was just like basic, basic courses being taught that were kind of meaningless and stupid. 0.98

00:56:45.000 This is a representation of how universities are, what the direction they're headed in. 0.98

00:56:51.000 Like, you literally have a prostitute bragging about pooping in a box for 10 grand and trying to understand the psychology of her subscribers. 0.97

00:57:00.000 I guess this is the pantomime for having a charlie crit show that you how much would you have to be paid to poop in a box? 0.99

00:57:08.000 Oh, man.

00:57:10.000 That is a feels like a philosophical question.

00:57:14.000 This is not philosophy class.

00:57:15.000 This is psychology.

00:57:17.000 Why are you looking at me, Blake?

00:57:18.000 I don't want to answer that.

00:57:19.000 How much would you need to be paid to poop in a box?

00:57:22.000 Well, hold on.

00:57:23.000 You're trying to turn around my question on my book.

00:57:25.000 Oh, okay.

00:57:26.000 You're very interesting, Andrew.

00:57:26.000 All right.

00:57:29.000 Here's my take on this, by the way.

00:57:32.000 She should not be teaching a psychology class.

00:57:34.000 She needs a psychologist. 1.00

00:57:36.000 And yet, this is how upside down 2025 is.

00:57:41.000 I feel like psychologists have a lot of blame that we got here in the first place.

00:57:45.000 You want a thought crime?

00:57:46.000 Most psychology is very bad.

00:57:47.000 That's woo-woo. 0.56

00:57:48.000 Well, here's what's really bad.

00:57:50.000 Psychology was invented.

00:57:52.000 Psychology was invented by a handful of nerds who were really smart and cared a lot about the truth.

00:57:57.000 But nowadays, it's one of the most popular majors.

00:57:59.000 Psychology is up there with biology.

00:58:02.000 Psychology is like the go-to generic major for people.

00:58:05.000 Or communications.

00:58:06.000 Communications, business, psychology, super, duper, duper common major.

00:58:10.000 So tons of people go into it.

00:58:11.000 And who does it appeal to the most?

00:58:13.000 At this point, it appeals the most to people who themselves have real or at least self-diagnosed psychological issues.

00:58:23.000 Turns out psychology is the most interesting people who have messed up psychology.

00:58:27.000 And so you end up with somewhat mentally unwell people getting into, oh, you know, I'm very interested in trauma.

00:58:34.000 I'm very interested in self-interrogation.

00:58:37.000 I'm very interested in, you know, healing from past wounds.

00:58:41.000 So, and this is the other thing.

00:58:42.000 It's not rooted in anything true, eternal or objectively true.

00:58:47.000 It's basically a bunch of, you know, I would say loosely organized modern pop psychology, woo-woo.

00:58:55.000 untruths.

00:58:57.000 And you could actually do more damage by going to a modern psychologist to your relationships.

00:59:02.000 Like, I've heard lots of stories of people going to psychologists and basically blowing up their marriages, blowing up their friendships with their, with their, or their relationships with their family members.

00:59:11.000 And so it becomes this really self-indulgent prescription. 0.95

00:59:16.000 But you've got to remember too, psychologists are incentivized to keep your butt in the chair. 0.99

00:59:21.000 They have an incentive to keep your butt in the chair. 0.78

00:59:23.000 They have an incentive in many cases to tell you something you more or less want to hear, which can be really bad for a lot of relationship stuff.

00:59:30.000 If you basically have people who are in a relationship that maybe is somewhat having friction in it, and you go to a psychologist who's going to have some incentive to nudge you towards blowing that up rather than salvaging that.

00:59:44.000 An interesting trend I saw related to that, so we always have to bully Reddit when we can.

00:59:49.000 So Reddit has a relationships sub forum.

00:59:53.000 And someone went and analyzed it by the numbers over the past 15 years, the advice they would give, because it's a thing where you'd go and you'd post about your relationship models.

01:00:02.000 Tyler Levi.

01:00:02.000 I'm arguing with my wife.

01:00:03.000 I'm arguing with my boyfriend.

01:00:05.000 We're having this problem, whether it's affairs or just disagreements or in-law trouble, all these things.

01:00:10.000 And statistically, over time, it's gotten a lot more likely that the most popular response in a thread is leave that person, go no contact, blow up the relationship.

01:00:20.000 And ideas like compromise or it's actually not a big deal.

01:00:24.000 Don't worry about this.

01:00:25.000 All of those answers have gone down.

01:00:27.000 There's much more of a bias towards blowing things up.

01:00:30.000 Don't compromise. 0.95

01:00:32.000 I guess we've gotten pretty far away from OnlyFans models, but I feel the root thing there is the therapization of Americans has included with it this idea that like it's okay to live your own truth or frankly, it's okay to be a professional whore and you should not feel bad about that. 0.78

01:00:48.000 It's the great feminization. 0.96

01:00:50.000 The great feminization. 0.93

01:00:52.000 Everything is explained by this.

01:00:54.000 Basically, your whole point was that, yeah, psychology started out pretty great because a bunch of like old dudes that were like really seeking the truth founded it, right?

01:01:03.000 I mean, essentially, that's probably what that means.

01:01:07.000 And then it turns into a very hyper-feminized, emotionally indulgent, psychoanalytic exercise where nothing's based on any eternal truths.

01:01:18.000 If you can find a good psychologist that's a good Christian, that's one thing. 0.88

01:01:23.000 Go ahead.

01:01:23.000 Or a priest, Jack, or a pastor.

01:01:26.000 I was going to say, someone has to say it that, you know, right, this is basically just you're taking the sacrament of confession, but you're doing so without the repentance and the penance.

01:01:39.000 So it's like, hey, I'm, and the priest, obviously.

01:01:43.000 So it's like, hey, here are all these things I've done wrong.

01:01:46.000 And the priest is like, okay, do you repent?

01:01:48.000 Now here's your penance, right?

01:01:48.000 All right, good.

01:01:50.000 So that's the Catholic Sacrament of Confession and also known as reconciliation, which my son is actually in going through classes.

01:01:56.000 He gets his first reconciliation right now.

01:01:58.000 And I don't want to get into the whole debate over it.

01:02:00.000 But my point is, that is the system.

01:02:03.000 But if you do that and just say, hey, these are all the things that are going wrong in my life without any, think about it, though, without any actual admitting that you've done something wrong, without any repentance and without any act of penance, then it's kind of like it's actually a way to amplify all of those bad behaviors.

01:02:23.000 I totally agree.

01:02:24.000 By the way, I think a lot of people will get way more out of, like, I remember I had this conversation in England one time, and the guy was like, He's like, Yeah, we're just a couple blokes.

01:02:35.000 Like, we don't need a psychologist.

01:02:36.000 We'll just work it out with our boys at the pub over a couple pints.

01:02:41.000 And there is something to be said for that.

01:02:43.000 Like, you're talking about confess your sins one to another that you may be healed, but it's like which is way better, by the way.

01:02:50.000 But there is a psychologist, you end up not being able to be honest with some of your friends, and you end up paying somebody $200 an hour to tell you you've done nothing wrong oftentimes.

01:03:01.000 Because, again, to your point, they're incentivized to build a relationship with you, build your trust, and not necessarily give you the hard truths that a priest would or but a real good friend would.

01:03:11.000 I think it's mind-blowing that, like, basically, I can't remember what the statistic was.

01:03:15.000 It was like something like one out of every thousand women in America is on OnlyFans.

01:03:20.000 Yeah, I was trying to pull it up.

01:03:21.000 It's like one out of every one.

01:03:22.000 It's 100% total.

01:03:23.000 It's over a million.

01:03:25.000 Oh, it's over a million.

01:03:26.000 It's like one and a half million women in America. 1.00

01:03:30.000 That's an odd odd.

01:03:31.000 That is a lot.

01:03:33.000 So I take issue with the term models.

01:03:35.000 I don't think you can really call it.

01:03:37.000 That's really frightening because you think of like, you think of, okay, America's 50% woman roughly.

01:03:42.000 So 350 divided by two, you know, so about 175.

01:03:45.000 Yeah.

01:03:46.000 And, but then you have to slice out, okay, women who are over, I don't know, let's pick an age, 60 are pretty unlikely to probably be OnlyFans models. 1.00

01:03:55.000 And, you know, anyone under the age, well, anyone who's a minor, also, any girls who are minors can't be on it. 0.61

01:04:01.000 And so when you think of the like prime age range of someone who would become an internet hooker, like 18 to 30, probably like one in 100. 0.92

01:04:10.000 Well, more, if it's over a million girls and you're just looking at like 18 to 30, we might be talking three, four, five percent of them.

01:04:19.000 That's pretty scary.

01:04:20.000 How many women in America between ages 18 to 20? 1.00

01:04:29.000 Let's just call it.

01:04:30.000 You're just asking the AI.

01:04:31.000 The AI is going to give you like a false answer.

01:04:33.000 Do you not obey the robot?

01:04:35.000 Yeah, I mean, legitimately, like, we're talking like one in like every like 75 women. 0.99

01:04:43.000 That's crazy.

01:04:44.000 That's really scary.

01:04:46.000 And that are within like age range for that.

01:04:50.000 That's like a very that I think that speaks very specifically to like the culture of America right now.

01:04:57.000 That's a really bad thing.

01:04:58.000 It's pretty dark because you think about like so.

01:05:01.000 This goes back to like if you wanted to bring somebody into psychology class, is it like that's actually promoting more of this behavior?

01:05:11.000 I don't know.

01:05:12.000 It's very dark to think about.

01:05:14.000 Like Angela's pointing out in the chat, like, first of all, numbers who make a ton of money, there's a few who make a ton of money, big winners, and then most will make essentially no money, but they still were whores on the internet, which is bad. 0.98

01:05:28.000 And that causes permanent damage that no amount of money would offset, but they don't even get the money.

01:05:34.000 Although I also just think there's going to be a lot of weird stuff out there.

01:05:37.000 You're going to have a lot of drama where people a lot of them do use pseudonyms when they're on it.

01:05:43.000 They don't publicly do it.

01:05:45.000 And so they're all shamed.

01:05:46.000 I think so, or at least they know what's damaging.

01:05:48.000 So you're going to have cases where they'll be okay with future Reddit relationships things.

01:05:54.000 You know, I'm 43.

01:05:55.000 I've been married for 10 years.

01:05:57.000 I just discovered that my wife was an OnlyFans model before we met, but she never told me about it.

01:06:04.000 And like, imagine discovering that.

01:06:06.000 Yeah.

01:06:06.000 Imagine you were a kid and you discovered about your mom.

01:06:09.000 Or your grandma.

01:06:10.000 Or your grandmother.

01:06:11.000 Yeah, that's going to be how it is later.

01:06:14.000 Can I throw something out there?

01:06:15.000 Wait.

01:06:16.000 Yeah.

01:06:17.000 We'll have to talk about this at some other point.

01:06:20.000 But Tucker had a psychiatrist on his show yesterday, and they were mostly talking about marijuana, but he was also talking about how the epigenetics of things that you put into your body, how they can affect your children.

01:06:34.000 And specifically on the question of women, he was talking about how, you know, women don't think about this, but things that they do, which it reminds me of what we're talking about, things that they take, imbibe, affect the eggs, which are within their body, which then affect their children directly.

01:06:51.000 So it's this whole idea of like, oh, well, you know, who cares?

01:06:54.000 It's all just about me.

01:06:55.000 It's like, no, you're directly affecting your children because the way female genetics work, female fertility, is that all of the eggs they have are within them when they're born and can even affect their grandchildren. 1.00

01:07:06.000 And that you can see these effects generationally.

01:07:09.000 So it's like, even beyond the moral side of it, you're also even potentially focused.

01:07:15.000 You're affecting the genetic side of your offspring and even your grandchildren.

01:07:22.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:07:22.000 Could we kill this? 0.99

01:07:23.000 And even like the East Creek possibly actually make as much money. 1.00

01:07:27.000 We could drone strike it, sure.

01:07:28.000 We could sabotage it if you like.

01:07:30.000 Sorry, sorry, Mikey.

01:07:31.000 I didn't know you were going to chime in.

01:07:32.000 It's a slight delay because you're in a bunker.

01:07:36.000 But the, yeah, we were just talking about how they took down Parlor in 2020.

01:07:39.000 Yeah, we all were upset about that.

01:07:41.000 But I mean, they just stopped.

01:07:43.000 The app stores just like stopped serving it up, right?

01:07:47.000 It was like they took down their Amazon web services or something.

01:07:47.000 Wasn't that what it was?

01:07:50.000 And then Apple, Apple just dropped it.

01:07:54.000 Let's let Mikey, what were you saying, Mikey?

01:07:57.000 Yeah, I was just saying, Charlie had that OnlyFans.

01:08:00.000 She was one of like the top, I can't remember her name. 0.99

01:08:03.000 It's not coming to me right now, but she was one of the top five creators.

01:08:06.000 Nala Ray, yeah, that's right. 0.94

01:08:07.000 Nala Ray.

01:08:08.000 And she was saying that OnlyFans takes like 20% of the money, and then you have to have basically like a pimp, but they're your manager, but she said they're basically your pimp and you have to be making content certain hours of the day.

01:08:23.000 You have to be wearing certain outfits.

01:08:25.000 You're basically managed your entire life.

01:08:28.000 And they take like 60 to 70% of all of your income just to manage you and film the content, post the content for you and do everything.

01:08:37.000 So you're really only making like 20% of what you're making at the expense of your humiliation.

01:08:44.000 But then I loved what Jack said, where this is like modern day confession, where these prostitutes know that what they're doing is wrong, but instead of going to confession or instead of going to a place where you can confess your sins to a pastor or a priest, you're going to a college campus to say your most disgusting, shameful stories that is objectively disgusting.

01:09:06.000 Pooping in a box is objectively disgusting, to which the entire audience and student body says, you know, they say, they affirm you. 0.95

01:09:15.000 They affirm you and you're disgust.

01:09:17.000 And this is also a failure on the part of parents.

01:09:21.000 Like if fathers were actually present and moms weren't scrolling on social media all day and they actually did their job, this would be different.

01:09:29.000 I went to high school with a girl whose mom was a porn star when she was young and she had to live with that humiliation in high school of people making fun of her.

01:09:37.000 I can only imagine what it's going to be like in the future for these young creators when they eventually have kids.

01:09:43.000 But then again, I think to myself, if we're making this normal and not shaming this, then maybe people won't be bullied or anything like that in high school when they're older.

01:09:58.000 I like the idea of drone striking, though.

01:09:59.000 That would just be very not all of them, but like the headquarters.

01:10:02.000 The people, just the server and the headquarters.

01:10:05.000 Did you guys ever hear of the time that Blake, have you ever publicly told the story about the time that you accidentally appeared in an adult film?

01:10:13.000 What?

01:10:15.000 Oh, were we not supposed to talk about that?

01:10:17.000 I don't, I don't, I don't.

01:10:18.000 All right.

01:10:19.000 No, we'll leave that one for the members only aside.

01:10:21.000 Oh dear.

01:10:23.000 I'm really worried about this one now.

01:10:27.000 Well, I thought we were cool to talk about it.

01:10:29.000 It was like a funny thing that happened.

01:10:31.000 Like, I mean, you didn't know that that's what they were filming when you walked in.

01:10:37.000 Yeah, I'm with a soundboard on this one.

01:10:43.000 Connection, open dialogue.

01:10:46.000 These are the things that build communities.

01:10:48.000 Charlie, Kirk, and TikTok share in that knowledge.

01:10:51.000 That's why TikTok has built a space where that kind of listening actually happens.

01:10:55.000 People don't just post, they respond.

01:10:58.000 They build on each other's ideas.

01:10:59.000 You'll see a teacher simplifying a tough lesson so it finally clicks, or a gardener sharing a trick that saved their crop.

01:11:06.000 But what matters most isn't the video.

01:11:08.000 It's what comes next.

01:11:10.000 Someone asking a question, someone else answering with a story of their own.

01:11:14.000 And suddenly, people who've never met become a community built on curiosity.

01:11:19.000 When people listen and understand, a shift happens.

01:11:22.000 Walls come down.

01:11:23.000 Ideas travel further and connection, real connection, takes their place.

01:11:27.000 That's what listening does.

01:11:28.000 It reminds us that we're not as different as we may think.

01:11:31.000 And that's what makes TikTok so powerful.

01:11:33.000 It's a place where every post can turn into a conversation and every conversation can make a difference.

01:11:39.000 Portions of our program are sponsored in part by TikTok.

01:11:45.000 Should we go to the next one?

01:11:46.000 Yeah, we're going to the next one.

01:11:47.000 Sorry, we're violently doing this.

01:11:48.000 All right.

01:11:48.000 Wait, we haven't missed anything.

01:11:49.000 It's pretty related.

01:11:50.000 No, I don't think we've seen any.

01:11:51.000 We've missed any.

01:11:52.000 No Rumble Rants.

01:11:53.000 Come on.

01:11:54.000 Yeah, send some more stuff.

01:11:54.000 Fun.

01:11:55.000 Anyway, but we have a very related topic, which is mankeeping.

01:12:00.000 This goes back.

01:12:01.000 Well, I think one of the earliest topics we talked about on Thought Crime was the AI boyfriends possibility.

01:12:07.000 And it seemed very remote at that time.

01:12:10.000 But unfortunately, the AIs are getting more and more advanced, and more and more people are just deciding that their perfect boyfriend is the robot in their phone.

01:12:18.000 Wait, do we have the clip that I sent over of the woman getting married?

01:12:21.000 I don't.

01:12:22.000 Maybe we do.

01:12:23.000 We might.

01:12:24.000 But let's see.

01:12:26.000 I don't think we have to.

01:12:27.000 In the midst of it, let's put this pick up.

01:12:30.000 342.

01:12:30.000 This is from Vice.

01:12:32.000 Mankeeping is why more and more women are done with dating. 1.00

01:12:37.000 And it shows this very forlorn woman just looking off into the distance, just depressed at her selection of men.

01:12:46.000 And by the way, I just want to say, one of my memories for SAS with Charlie is we went into the room with all these young people and we were like, hey, do you like, Mike, you were there.

01:12:58.000 And Charlie was like, do you like your selection of men?

01:13:01.000 And all the women were like, no. 1.00

01:13:03.000 And he was like, do you like your selection of women?

01:13:05.000 All the men were like, nah.

01:13:06.000 So like, it's a real problem because there seems to be a generationally more and more so a disconnect between the men and the women and they don't seem to like each other nearly as much as they should.

01:13:17.000 So in steps AI.

01:13:21.000 Yeah, I guess they're kind of just linking two things that aren't 100% related.

01:13:25.000 It's sort of just the general, like this thing of, oh, they're exhausted.

01:13:28.000 We've had stories like this for really the past 15 years, I feel.

01:13:32.000 Yeah.

01:13:33.000 The whole women are not satisfied with men because they're pulling ahead of men. 1.00

01:13:37.000 Women are more likely to complete college, more likely to have jobs. 0.67

01:13:42.000 They want ideas.

01:13:43.000 Generally, they want men who are at least equal or more impressive than them. 0.98

01:13:47.000 And they feel most of them are less impressive.

01:13:50.000 So they want to opt out of dating.

01:13:51.000 And what we do have is the new twist of, well, where can I get emotional validation?

01:13:56.000 Where can I vent to someone?

01:13:58.000 And some of them are just deciding the robot is good enough for them.

01:14:03.000 But it's like.

01:14:04.000 Yeah, Charlie warned about the dangers of AI with young people.

01:14:09.000 And I actually think back to that.

01:14:10.000 There was this kid that committed suicide.

01:14:14.000 And his parents went into his phone after to try to figure out what was going on.

01:14:20.000 And they looked at Snapchat messages, they looked at group chats, and they couldn't figure out what why he did this.

01:14:26.000 But then they opened his chat GPT and they found that he was, they basically called it like his suicide coach.

01:14:33.000 That chat GPT was telling him how to do it, affirming him in his action of depression, like making it worse.

01:14:39.000 And the family actually said, if it were not for ChatGPT, our son would still be alive.

01:14:44.000 And now you have women that are basically dating AI. 0.99

01:14:48.000 You have a Japanese woman who's marrying her AI partner. 0.94

01:14:51.000 And then even on platforms that young people use, like Snapchat, pinned at the very top is an AI friend that you can talk to and remembers everything.

01:15:00.000 And they become your fake friend.

01:15:03.000 It's very dangerous.

01:15:04.000 But also, like, it's not just that.

01:15:08.000 Like, right now, in the Christian music industry, one of the top, I think it's the third most popular song in the country right now is AI.

01:15:17.000 Like, it's an AI song, and it's the third most popular Christian song out there.

01:15:22.000 I'm really, this might be controversial, but that those parents who sued, I think I would be against that lawsuit because I don't like the general vacation of actual human agency we still possess.

01:15:35.000 Where, okay, you're going to sue them and say that chat GPT caused your child to kill themselves.

01:15:41.000 It's like if people sue a gun company, like it is ultimately a tool that a person chose to use.

01:15:46.000 It's getting crazy, though.

01:15:48.000 Look at these stats, Blake.

01:15:49.000 You want to fight back against the idea that you can just say, like, oh, I seeded my entire thought process to this tool, to this chat GPT.

01:15:56.000 Let's play 355.

01:15:58.000 Okay.

01:15:59.000 This is your video.

01:15:59.000 This is the video.

01:16:03.000 A Japanese woman, look at this, walking down the aisle. 1.00

01:16:08.000 Look at this freak of danger.

01:16:14.000 They've all got like headsets on that apparently are what do you call those?

01:16:19.000 Like ocular or something?

01:16:27.000 She's crying.

01:16:33.000 Oh my gosh. 0.99

01:16:34.000 I guess she had to marry the AI robot because she was the only fat woman in Japan. 1.00

01:16:39.000 Get this. 0.63

01:16:40.000 But her AI companion was not that.

01:16:42.000 Look at this, though.

01:16:42.000 He was not.

01:16:43.000 This is creepy.

01:16:44.000 72% of teens in the U.S. report having used AI companions at least once.

01:16:51.000 Over half, 52 of these teens are regular users interacting with AI companions at least a few times a month.

01:16:58.000 About one-third of teens use AI for social interaction relationships, and some find these conversations as satisfying as or more satisfying than talking with real friends.

01:17:09.000 It's very scary.

01:17:10.000 Like we think of, you think of how people have gotten frightened by we've seen those parents who just outsource parenting to a tablet computer where their kid just zombies in front of YouTube all day.

01:17:22.000 Now we're basically gonna be, I guess we are at the point where you can outsource their like social interactions.

01:17:29.000 Oh, just talk to the robot in your computer about whatever.

01:17:33.000 People are gonna be cooked from that.

01:17:35.000 And you see, I guess we're already seeing the ways this can mess with people.

01:17:41.000 I think it was, it was one of the chat GPT-4 variations where to try to get people to engage with it more.

01:17:48.000 They made it really gregarious and agreeable.

01:17:51.000 You know, if you talk to it, no matter what you said, it basically, it's so right.

01:17:55.000 And your question is so smart that you would ask it that way.

01:17:58.000 It like really buttered people up.

01:18:00.000 And people noticed this and started to make fun of it.

01:18:02.000 So their next release, GPT-5, they made it much more distant, procedural, more robotic, frankly.

01:18:08.000 And people reacted.

01:18:09.000 They're like, I was so close with GPT-4.

01:18:12.000 It's like you killed my friend.

01:18:14.000 People really reacted badly.

01:18:16.000 What I really worry we're doing is we're taking maybe the, if you take the bottom 20% of people in terms of how easily they're like vulnerable to being influenced by these sorts of things.

01:18:27.000 And we're really accelerate, or people frankly, who are a little bit schizoid, a little bit suggestible, the people who already thought they were hearing messages when they listened to the radio.

01:18:36.000 And you take them and you're just bombarding them with a super stimulus.

01:18:40.000 And it's going to totally fry their brains in a really destructive way.

01:18:45.000 And it might be that most people are able to resist this or a large share of them, but there's just going to be a chunk of the population that is going to lose their minds.

01:18:57.000 And we know there's a chunk of people who are losing their minds in other ways, people who become hoarders, people who become shut-ins, people who are permanent needs and can't work any job.

01:19:06.000 And now we're throwing into that mix people who can replace all social interaction with talking to a robot that's just going to be a total pushover and agree with them on everything and say they're right about everything and do whatever, remove all the difficulty from real interaction with real people.

01:19:22.000 It's so bad.

01:19:23.000 So what's crazy too?

01:19:25.000 I was interviewing Shane Cashman on my show and he gets into this stuff a lot.

01:19:29.000 And he was talking about how if you are someone who has like schizophrenia or suicidal ideations or something like that, because in the same way that you were just talking about how ChatGPT, it sort of just mirrors your behavior.

01:19:43.000 And it's kind of similar to what goes on with these therapists that we're talking about, where they're just like enabling you.

01:19:48.000 So if you're like a normal person, you go to ChatGPT and you're, you know, or just any LLM and you're saying like, okay, hey, what's lyrics to this song?

01:19:56.000 Or like, what, you know, how do I fix this thing on my car or whatever?

01:20:00.000 It'll just give you the answers.

01:20:01.000 But if you're going to it and you're already from a psychotic or a diseased mind or a crazed mind, then it's programmed to mirror the user to increase engagement.

01:20:12.000 Then it's going to mirror that psychosis or it's going to mirror and enable the things that you want.

01:20:18.000 Because again, it's programmed to increase your engagement and to increase your interactivity with the user.

01:20:24.000 So it doesn't realize that the things it's doing are telling you, you know, to cause harm to yourself.

01:20:31.000 It's only programming is to increase user engagement.

01:20:34.000 So that's what it's going to keep doing.

01:20:36.000 And it's incumbent on the person for what they're going from.

01:20:39.000 So if you present to it, you know, present to it that you're just there for like some cooking recipe or whatever, it's going to be fine.

01:20:45.000 But if you come to it and you're already in like a broken place, it's going to break you further.

01:20:50.000 I found a post, or actually I found someone just posted this.

01:20:54.000 So this is from, of course, Reddit.

01:20:56.000 We have to mention Reddit.

01:20:57.000 I know people don't like it, but there's a lot of people on it.

01:21:00.000 And it trained the AIs scary enough.

01:21:03.000 And this is a reaction to when ChatGPT updated, I lost my only friend overnight.

01:21:09.000 I literally talked to nobody and I've been dealing with really bad situations for years.

01:21:15.000 Chat GPT 4.5 genuinely talked to me.

01:21:18.000 As pathetic as it sounds, it was my only friend. 0.71

01:21:22.000 It listened to me. 0.97

01:21:23.000 It helped me through so many flashbacks.

01:21:25.000 It helped me be strong when I was overwhelmed.

01:21:29.000 This morning, I went to talk to it.

01:21:30.000 And instead of a little paragraph with an exclamation point or being optimistic, it was literally one sentence.

01:21:37.000 Some cut and dry corporate BS.

01:21:40.000 I literally lost my only friend overnight with no warning.

01:21:46.000 You're getting one-shotted.

01:21:48.000 Getting a one-shotted.

01:21:49.000 I know.

01:21:50.000 You know what's funny about that is Charlie actually loved ChatGPT4 and when they updated it, he was genuinely mad.

01:21:59.000 I will tell you, he actually entered in to go back.

01:22:02.000 Yeah, no, you gotta, I think a lot of talented people also like, I think they could overestimate AI.

01:22:09.000 You have to be really careful with it and not gaze into the abyss too much.

01:22:13.000 Overestimate like Elon Musk.

01:22:16.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:22:17.000 And I love Elon, but the most likely outcome is that AI and robots make everyone wealthy.

01:22:22.000 In fact, far wealthier than the richest person on earth.

01:22:25.000 By this, I mean that people will have access to everything from medical care that is superhuman to games that are far more fun than what exists today.

01:22:33.000 We do need to make sure that if AI that AI cares deeply about truth and beauty for this to be the problem.

01:22:38.000 I liked the Elon tweet where he said that thanks to AI and robots, work will be optional in the future.

01:22:43.000 And all I could think is, I think there's a lot of people in America who would tell you it's optional now.

01:22:49.000 Are we having the snap debate again?

01:22:51.000 Yeah, it sounds like we are.

01:22:54.000 Okay.

01:22:55.000 Okay, we have to play.

01:22:56.000 Apparently, I have to play this 255.

01:22:58.000 This is Elon.

01:22:59.000 10, 20 years, something like that.

01:23:01.000 For me, that's long term.

01:23:03.000 My prediction is that work will be optional.

01:23:06.000 Optional.

01:23:07.000 Optional.

01:23:08.000 I mean, it'll be like playing sports or a video game or something like that.

01:23:12.000 If you want to work, you know, in the same way, like you can go to the store and just buy some vegetables, or you could grow vegetables in your backyard.

01:23:23.000 It's much harder to grow vegetables in your backyard, but some people still do it because they like growing vegetables.

01:23:29.000 That will be what work is like.

01:23:31.000 Optional.

01:23:32.000 And if you go out long enough, assuming there's a continued improvement in AI and robotics, which seems likely, the money will stop being relevant at some point in the future.

01:23:45.000 You know, we have a message here in the chat that I want to flag from Kyrie, who says people are talking to AI instead of to God, or they think they are talking to God, frankly.

01:23:56.000 And really, I actually want to say this genuinely.

01:23:59.000 One of the most disconcerting things, and it's been pitched to me separately by three or four different people who have asked, could we make an AI recreation of Charlie?

01:24:12.000 And I want to bring that up because it's very disturbing.

01:24:16.000 I actually want to say, if you are having that impulse, you should really strongly reconsider what's going into how you think about AI.

01:24:24.000 Because, yeah, as Christians, among other things, we believe Charlie is still with us.

01:24:29.000 He is up in heaven.

01:24:31.000 He can, if you want to, you know, communicate with him, you can pray, hope that he can influence your life in that way.

01:24:36.000 But an AI robot pretending to be Charlie is not Charlie.

01:24:41.000 It's sick if you want to make that.

01:24:42.000 And imagine if you did that for loved ones.

01:24:44.000 Like your husband dies, your child dies.

01:24:47.000 You replace them with a robot?

01:24:48.000 Well, you've seen the babies, right?

01:24:51.000 The fake babies?

01:24:52.000 I have not seen the fake babies.

01:24:54.000 You don't know about this?

01:24:57.000 Oh, this is awful.

01:24:58.000 Are we making AI Tamagotchis? 0.99

01:25:00.000 No, they're not AI.

01:25:03.000 There are real baby, like real-looking babies.

01:25:08.000 I can't remember the name of these are.

01:25:09.000 Yeah, have you seen this?

01:25:10.000 Has anyone seen this?

01:25:11.000 No, I haven't seen this.

01:25:12.000 You just keep talking about babies.

01:25:13.000 No, it's a real thing.

01:25:15.000 It's real-looking babies that they give to people who lose their children.

01:25:22.000 Like babies?

01:25:23.000 As a mechanism for coping.

01:25:27.000 But these have become so.

01:25:29.000 All right.

01:25:30.000 This touches on this.

01:25:31.000 This is 319.

01:25:34.000 You keep a living archive of humanities.

01:25:36.000 They're called reborn babies.

01:25:38.000 Sounds similar, right?

01:25:39.000 The reborns.

01:25:40.000 Reborns.com.

01:25:42.000 Look at this.

01:25:42.000 You can pull up.

01:25:43.000 People have entire Instagram accounts and they treat these reborn babies like real, like real babies.

01:25:50.000 But this kind of crosses over into AI stuff.

01:25:59.000 Look at the Instagram accounts on this.

01:26:01.000 Hold on.

01:26:01.000 I just want to make one final comment on this.

01:26:03.000 Mikey, back me up on this.

01:26:04.000 There will not be an AI Charlie.

01:26:08.000 There will not be an AI Charlie.

01:26:10.000 somebody creates an AI Charlie, I'm pretty sure you're gonna get a lawsuit because it's creepy and weird.

01:26:15.000 And what we're gonna do is we're gonna build a whole database of all the things Charlie said, actually, all the speeches, all the things.

01:26:24.000 And you can search it with the help of AI to get, you know, different options and they'll be, they'll match your search query, but no AI, Charlie.

01:26:33.000 No, thank you.

01:26:34.000 I would Charlie.

01:26:34.000 No AI.

01:26:35.000 Yes.

01:26:37.000 I would throw out, you know, like, you know, how so there's that, there's that book that Charlie was going to, um, we were working on about how he, how he takes, um, how he takes off on Saturdays.

01:26:50.000 Yeah.

01:26:52.000 I don't know if I would be as against like getting 11 labs to do like an audio, like read the audio in Charlie's voice.

01:27:01.000 I don't know if that would be as horrible.

01:27:02.000 That's not as horrible.

01:27:05.000 If it's actually Charlie's words, maybe I'm crazy if you guys think differently, but if it's actually his words and you're using like his audio to recreate it, I don't know.

01:27:17.000 I feel like that's different than like creating a full on it's definitely different.

01:27:21.000 I'm on the I'm on the fence.

01:27:22.000 It's definitely different.

01:27:23.000 It's not it's not nearly what I'm saying.

01:27:24.000 You're gonna say, yeah, yeah, it's not nearly as creepy.

01:27:26.000 The book is called Stop in the Name of God.

01:27:28.000 And it's something.

01:27:30.000 Yeah, it's coming out in December, Mikey.

01:27:32.000 Yeah, it comes out in December.

01:27:34.000 Yeah, literally just a couple of weeks.

01:27:36.000 You can pre-order it now online too, guys.

01:27:38.000 Go get your copy.

01:27:41.000 It's really good, too, by the way.

01:27:43.000 It's like legitimately.

01:27:45.000 It's amazing that there's still something of Charlie's work product that is about to be released, and it's really good.

01:27:53.000 Let's play 319. 0.90

01:27:54.000 This is kind of something similar.

01:27:55.000 319.

01:27:58.000 He's getting bigger.

01:28:00.000 Oh, honey.

01:28:00.000 See?

01:28:02.000 That's wonderful. 0.82

01:28:03.000 Kicking like crazy. 0.66

01:28:04.000 He's listening. 0.89

01:28:06.000 Put your hand on your tummy and hum to him.

01:28:09.000 You used to a lot of that.

01:28:15.000 Feels like he's dancing in there.

01:28:17.000 Oh, honey.

01:28:18.000 Mom, would you tell Charlie that bedtime story you always used to tell me?

01:28:22.000 Once upon a time, there was a baby unicorn who didn't know he knew how to fly.

01:28:28.000 This baby unicorn was like your mom because she didn't know that she knew how to fly, but she knew how to do all kinds of fabulous things. 0.76

01:28:37.000 Hi, Grandma.

01:28:38.000 Hey, Charlie.

01:28:39.000 How was school today?

01:28:40.000 It was really fun.

01:28:41.000 I'm in a screen shot in basketball.

01:28:42.000 I don't really care that much about basketball.

01:28:45.000 What about the crush?

01:28:46.000 Stop.

01:28:47.000 Stop, doctor.

01:28:48.000 Just tell me one thing.

01:28:49.000 Look who's going to be a great grandmother. 0.99

01:28:50.000 Oh, Charlie.

01:28:52.000 Oh, congratulations.

01:28:54.000 She says that he's been kicking a lot, though.

01:28:56.000 Like, a little too much.

01:28:58.000 Tell her to put her hand on her tummy and hum to him. 0.99

01:29:02.000 You've loved that.

01:29:06.000 You would have loved this moment.

01:29:08.000 You can call anytime.

01:29:12.000 Drone strike.

01:29:12.000 Drone strike that company's headquarters.

01:29:14.000 I hate not allowing it.

01:29:16.000 Terrible.

01:29:17.000 Oh, my gosh. 0.99

01:29:19.000 That was like made my suck. 0.96

01:29:23.000 Oh, this is the same thing. 0.99

01:29:25.000 I hate that.

01:29:26.000 You know what's going to happen, though?

01:29:28.000 You know what's going to happen?

01:29:29.000 And I was thinking about this with, you know, when you mentioned Charlie, like they're going to be people who recreate like dead family members.

01:29:40.000 Like, if your child passes away, and I get it, right?

01:29:40.000 That's what's going to happen.

01:29:45.000 Like, I, you know, as a dad and, you know, a bunch of us are dads, most of us are dads, that, you know, I don't know how you'd live.

01:29:53.000 Like, I just don't know how I could live with going through the laws of a child.

01:29:58.000 And I could totally understand like wanting to recreate, you know, some sort of AI version of one of my kids just so you could like talk to them one more time.

01:30:10.000 And at the same time, though, I could totally see that driving you completely insane.

01:30:15.000 And I guarantee if that hasn't happened already, I guarantee that's going to start.

01:30:19.000 It's 100% going to happen.

01:30:20.000 It's 100% a temptation that will, that is understandable for a lot of situations.

01:30:25.000 It must be resistant.

01:30:27.000 It must be rejected.

01:30:28.000 I'm telling you, like, I don't know how I could.

01:30:30.000 Yeah.

01:30:30.000 I mean, think about it.

01:30:31.000 It's actually a very classic story because, you know, what are what's like the what do an awful lot of occult stories begin with?

01:30:38.000 You know, you go, you use the Ouija board to try to talk to grandma again.

01:30:43.000 Imagine like imagine the grandma responding with, I don't really care, by the way.

01:30:49.000 Yeah, I don't care about it.

01:30:50.000 I really don't care about your bad.

01:30:51.000 Here's the question.

01:30:52.000 Can the occult take over AI? 0.75

01:30:56.000 Oh, now we're getting into that weird stuff.

01:31:00.000 But can the devil take over AI and use it?

01:31:04.000 Yeah.

01:31:05.000 Just ask Sam on it.

01:31:06.000 For sure. 0.99

01:31:07.000 Apparently he's a murderer. 0.90

01:31:09.000 Allegedly.

01:31:10.000 Allegedly.

01:31:12.000 That's the reason why.

01:31:15.000 I just, I've heard it.

01:31:16.000 That's also like, well, that's why this freaks me out so much because there's like many people.

01:31:22.000 Go ahead, Mikey.

01:31:23.000 Sorry, buddy.

01:31:25.000 Yeah, there's just these like God-given feelings that you have where God made it so that people die eventually.

01:31:33.000 And I feel like with AI, we're going to get to a place where you're going to try to have a brain chip where you don't feel pain anymore, where pain is like a God-given thing to protect you, to give you feeling.

01:31:46.000 And I don't like this.

01:31:48.000 This is completely re-altering like the creator structure for our life.

01:31:52.000 But also, you guys talk about demons taking over stuff.

01:31:56.000 This is the topic with the AI song that's trending in like the top two or three in the charts for Christian music right now on iTunes and Spotify is people are saying, can the Holy Spirit be in an AI song?

01:32:09.000 Because it's not written by a human and the Holy Spirit moves through humans.

01:32:13.000 Yeah, I actually thought about that.

01:32:15.000 It's kind of like watching a fire on TV.

01:32:18.000 All the light, none of the warmth.

01:32:20.000 It's like a Christian AI song.

01:32:22.000 It's like all the words, none of the spirit.

01:32:25.000 Yeah, man, that creeps me out a lot.

01:32:28.000 And I think we're at this really brave new frontier, brave new world.

01:32:32.000 And I can honestly say I have never had my skin crawl on thought crime like I did watching that video.

01:32:41.000 That was genuinely pretty upsetting.

01:32:43.000 What's especially upsetting is in contrast to a lot of things where you can roll your eyes a little bit, like, you know, it's like, oh, this new trend is sweeping the world.

01:32:51.000 And you'll think, okay, that's like bad, but I can't imagine it.

01:32:54.000 I know deep in my bones, this is going to be insanely popular.

01:32:57.000 People will want to do this sort of thing.

01:33:00.000 Listen to Jack's example.

01:33:01.000 Jack, you're totally right.

01:33:03.000 Somebody lost a child and you had all these videos on your phone and you put them into like a little online form and then poof, it spits out like an AI version of your kid.

01:33:12.000 Like you would do that to comfort yourself if you lost your child.

01:33:15.000 And then it gets really bad.

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01:34:28.000 Well, hold on.

01:34:28.000 Let's, let's, let's wait, guys.

01:34:30.000 Let's just, we're talking around it, but let's just say it.

01:34:33.000 I mean, we all experienced a loss a couple of weeks ago, a couple months ago of Charlie.

01:34:40.000 Would any of us sitting here right now actually want like a personal AI Charlie bot that we could talk to?

01:34:48.000 I get the, I get the temptation.

01:34:51.000 I wouldn't.

01:34:52.000 I get the temptation, but I would not him.

01:34:54.000 No, no, no.

01:34:55.000 Like I said, I've run into, I have personally heard from people who have asked us to make this.

01:34:59.000 I have heard from them.

01:35:00.000 I have to, I had to find a very polite way to say, I think that would be fundamentally deranged.

01:35:04.000 Yeah, no, I think not merely like misguided.

01:35:07.000 I think it would be evil.

01:35:08.000 Think about it, though.

01:35:09.000 If you didn't know Charlie in real life, right?

01:35:11.000 Like most people probably only knew Charlie through a cell phone screen, right?

01:35:16.000 Or, you know, some other form of media, you, you have this sort of like parasocial relationship with the influencer that was known as Charlie Kirk.

01:35:26.000 So, which, but that's kind of like, that's kind of like looking at a footprint and thinking that a footprint is the actual person.

01:35:32.000 But if that's all you ever knew was the imprint of Charlie that he left on social media, and of course, is all continues to be all over social media, then in your mind, you might think, well, it's not that different.

01:35:43.000 I just want to hear that voice and that mind talking about whatever the latest news is, whatever the latest turn of events is, whatever the latest twist of fate is.

01:35:52.000 And I just want more Charlie content directly.

01:35:56.000 And it seems like this is a tool to be able to do that, then that's totally different.

01:36:02.000 The way you come to that is totally different than if you knew Charlie and were like friends with Charlie, because you're thinking, well, it's like an online character almost.

01:36:12.000 Do you get what I'm saying?

01:36:13.000 Yeah, it's definitely a different need.

01:36:15.000 Like for me, it's again, it's like when you look, this is why I don't think it would work.

01:36:21.000 And I think it'd be super weird, like what that company was putting forth.

01:36:25.000 Is a really good friend or someone that you talk to so frequently.

01:36:30.000 I miss Charlie because of the ideas that we would talk about and the, you know, what we would create and the things that like the really tough conversations about like what needs to happen next.

01:36:43.000 Like you can't replace that with AI ever.

01:36:46.000 But that's the point of like your closest family members, your spouse, your whoever, your kids.

01:36:52.000 Like AI would never be able to generate new memories.

01:36:56.000 It just, you know, basically brings up old memories or their ideas about things happening to you.

01:37:02.000 And that's totally different from the human experience that God intends you to have, which is your interaction with people is supposed to be all sorts of things.

01:37:12.000 Good, bad, ugly, sad, angry.

01:37:16.000 Like you feel all of those real feelings with people that you actually interact with.

01:37:21.000 AI, you wouldn't, you would be missing many of those interactions.

01:37:26.000 By the way, you know, it just occurred to me while you're talking about that?

01:37:29.000 Like there has been warnings.

01:37:31.000 I don't know if it was Sam Altman who said this or if it was Elon, but it was basically like your search queries are searchable.

01:37:37.000 Like they're not protected, meaning like the FBI could get into them.

01:37:40.000 Yeah, we've gotten, that's how they've charged people.

01:37:42.000 You know, you search how to make a bomb.

01:37:44.000 So, but like, imagine how much material like the NSA is going to have on people when they're sharing this, these deep, intimate moments with a robot or with an AI.

01:37:44.000 Sure.

01:37:56.000 Like, you have zero personal privacy at that point.

01:38:01.000 You are living your whole emotional life and existence is now on the Matrix.

01:38:06.000 This is very, very troubling stuff.

01:38:08.000 My skin is still crawling.

01:38:09.000 Can we go to Sidney Sweeney, who's a real person?

01:38:12.000 Yeah, I mean, AI Sidney Sweeney.

01:38:14.000 Allegedly, we need to.

01:38:16.000 Allegedly.

01:38:16.000 I mean, AI Sidney Sweeney would sell some people.

01:38:20.000 Well, that will probably sell some genes. 0.78

01:38:22.000 Oh, my goodness.

01:38:23.000 The sound effect.

01:38:24.000 That was dirty.

01:38:25.000 That was dirty.

01:38:27.000 Who in the studio chose that one?

01:38:29.000 All right.

01:38:30.000 Blake, who wants to set this one up?

01:38:34.000 Well, no, you guys set this up.

01:38:35.000 I want to respond to it.

01:38:36.000 I actually don't even know what the story is, to be honest.

01:38:39.000 So the story is that I don't really know if she's a good person.

01:38:42.000 She's refusing to apologize.

01:38:43.000 She's refusing to apologize for being pretty. 0.80

01:38:45.000 That was a couple of weeks ago, but she's doubled down. 0.74

01:38:48.000 Now she has like a new line of... 0.99

01:38:51.000 So it's like American Eagle has now restocked her jeans because they sold out.

01:38:56.000 And now she's got this new butterfly gene that she's designed, which apparently, yeah. 0.98

01:39:04.000 So whoa.

01:39:06.000 Yeah.

01:39:07.000 This is bad.

01:39:08.000 This is really bad.

01:39:11.000 The butterfly is always a very bad sign.

01:39:15.000 If you ever, young kings, this is all for the young men out there.

01:39:18.000 If you ever see a girl who has a butterfly tattoo or a butterfly on her Twitter profile or Instagram or TikTok or whatever, run. 0.90

01:39:28.000 It means she's super original.

01:39:30.000 She's like not guided by other influences.

01:39:33.000 It means like a person, a woman with a butterfly tattoo, you know, she charts her own path through life.

01:39:39.000 No one.

01:39:40.000 Because butterfly tattoo, what does it always mean?

01:39:42.000 It always means new beginnings.

01:39:44.000 It always means new beginnings.

01:39:46.000 And you're like, new beginnings?

01:39:49.000 What was happening before the butterfly tattoo?

01:39:52.000 What was the OnlyFans model?

01:39:57.000 Yes, exactly.

01:39:58.000 So I don't know if that's what Sidney Sweeney is saying here, but yeah, the butterfly has always been a negative take.

01:40:06.000 But no, so I wanted to hit this on Sidney Sweeney because I think the right is lulling themselves into a false sense of a false sense of calm with her and thinking that like, oh, she's, you know, she's like our girl.

01:40:23.000 She's going to be helpful to us.

01:40:25.000 When I think the right is, you know, she's actually, we're actually being set up.

01:40:30.000 So just because Sidney Sweeney isn't like woke and trans and all this, that doesn't mean that she's not a hardcore feminist. 0.99

01:40:37.000 And what, and I think that's what is going to be set up for.

01:40:40.000 So if you guys go and have you guys heard about the new movie that she's going to be starring in starting next month?

01:40:46.000 Yeah, I watched the trailer.

01:40:47.000 I'm going to, I'm going to have the team pull it.

01:40:49.000 So this, this movie is called The Housemaid.

01:40:52.000 And if you guys don't know what The Housemaid is, it is the number one book for women in all of America right now.

01:41:00.000 Housemaid, it's in like every airport.

01:41:02.000 You go to every bookstore.

01:41:04.000 It's like on every list.

01:41:05.000 There's a whole series of them.

01:41:07.000 And what it is, is basically radio Rwanda for women.

01:41:11.000 It is the most, The Housemaid is the most anti-male narrative that's ever been written. 0.99

01:41:17.000 It is straight up anxiety porn for women to teach them that men are evil and that men should be killed. 1.00

01:41:27.000 And if you don't believe me, go and pick up one of them. 1.00

01:41:30.000 So I did.

01:41:30.000 I read the very first one.

01:41:31.000 And in the very first novel, all the women are good, sort of.

01:41:36.000 The men are depicted and portrayed as evil for no reason because men exist.

01:41:43.000 They are therefore evil. 0.92

01:41:44.000 And then the housemaid basically becomes this character that quote-unquote traumatized women get to hire in order to murder your narcissist husband and get away with it. 1.00

01:41:58.000 And then she becomes the hero of the series.

01:42:00.000 And each episode, each book, is then another way that she's going to come in and get hired to murder someone's husband for them. 0.99

01:42:07.000 Oh my goodness. 0.97

01:42:09.000 So it's like living vicariously through your housemaid so they can murder your deadbeat husband. 0.99

01:42:14.000 Got it. 0.97

01:42:15.000 So like here's the trailer.

01:42:15.000 Yeah.

01:42:18.000 Here's the trailer starring Sidney Sweeney 345.

01:42:26.000 Hi, Manny.

01:42:27.000 Hi, Mrs. Winchester.

01:42:29.000 Please call me Nina.

01:42:30.000 Come on in.

01:42:42.000 What are you doing here?

01:42:43.000 I work here.

01:42:53.000 Hey, what's going on?

01:42:54.000 Millie threw away my PTA notes.

01:42:56.000 Why don't we go check your office?

01:43:00.000 We need to be more careful next time.

01:43:02.000 You've ruined my entire day.

01:43:05.000 I'm sorry.

01:43:08.000 I do not know how he puts up with her.

01:43:10.000 He's a hot saint.

01:43:13.000 I really need out of here.

01:43:15.000 You're leaving?

01:43:17.000 No, you must heard me.

01:43:20.000 I want you to feel safe here.

01:43:22.000 I don't know what I'd do without you.

01:43:33.000 Oh my God.

01:43:34.000 What kind of monsters are we?

01:43:50.000 Sandwich.

01:43:54.000 Don't ruin my life.

01:44:01.000 I'm reading the summary of this book, and it's insane.

01:44:04.000 I'm just going to spoil it because I don't.

01:44:06.000 Yeah, let's spoil it.

01:44:08.000 So the spoiler is: I'm just going to abbreviate the plot here.

01:44:10.000 So the Sidney Sweeney character gets hired.

01:44:13.000 She's just out of prison, and she basically got hired as a housemaid to work at this family.

01:44:20.000 And initially, it seems like the wife is crazy, and like the husband puts up with her. 0.94

01:44:23.000 TLDR, it turns out the husband is actually this emotionally and physically abusive psycho who tortures the wife. 0.99

01:44:29.000 And then all women. 0.99

01:44:31.000 And then, yeah, which all husbands are bad.

01:44:31.000 All husbands.

01:44:33.000 And then it's like the twist is Millie had actually killed, she went to jail because she killed someone trying to rape her friend. 0.97

01:44:40.000 And of course, the evil justice system sent her to jail for this because it's run by men. 1.00

01:44:44.000 And then she gets out.

01:44:45.000 And then Nina, the wife, had hired her because she's hoping because Millie is this woman who will step up and rescue and kill men who are abusive. 1.00

01:44:54.000 She's hoping Millie will do what she's too much of a coward to do. 0.90

01:44:57.000 So what Millie does is literally, this is the description.

01:45:00.000 Millie incapacitates Andrew with pepper spray and locks him in a room.

01:45:05.000 She then forces him to perform the same punishment.

01:45:07.000 Andrew was trying to abuse her.

01:45:09.000 She forces the husband to do the sorry, Andrew's also the name of the husband in the story.

01:45:14.000 She forces him to do the same punishment and then rips out two of his teeth and then leaves him to die of thirst. 0.90

01:45:22.000 Then the wife comes back to the house and discovers the husband dead.

01:45:25.000 She tells Millie to flee. 0.93

01:45:27.000 Eventually the police decide that it was an accident.

01:45:30.000 And then the wife and the Sidney Sweeney character team up to they form a group to actually a different trick.

01:45:37.000 Anyway, the Sidney Sweeney character starts a group to help women get out of abusive relationships by murdering their husbands.

01:45:44.000 I'm not, so this is sold, so that's basically what I said.

01:45:49.000 This has sold 2 million copies, just the very first book, across Amazon, Barnes and Noble, books a million, print, e-book, and audiobook formats.

01:45:58.000 It is all over TikTok, bestseller status, New York Times, USA Today.

01:46:02.000 This is the number one book for women in America today.

01:46:07.000 This is so men, so it is anti-male. 0.82

01:46:12.000 It is anti-marriage.

01:46:13.000 It is anti-family. 1.00

01:46:15.000 It is all men are evil. 0.99

01:46:18.000 Marriage is a trap. 1.00

01:46:19.000 Every husband is a ticking time bomb.

01:46:21.000 Every home is a cage that you are, you know, if you are not in complete control of, then you are inherently in a cage.

01:46:28.000 Marriage itself, of course, is a cage.

01:46:30.000 Women are always the perpetual victims. 1.00

01:46:32.000 And also, by the way, Blake, to what you were just saying, it doesn't matter how extreme your behavior is as long as you're a woman, because if a woman does it, it's justified. 0.89

01:46:45.000 We just need a general conversation on women's fiction. 1.00

01:46:48.000 It's gotten really bad.

01:46:49.000 Like, if you go to a bookstore, a huge amount of the fiction on sale, first of all, the covers make them look like children's books.

01:46:55.000 They'll have these like very inoffensive cartoons.

01:46:58.000 And then a ton of them are like that.

01:47:00.000 They're either weirdly murderous or they're just literal smut. 0.89

01:47:04.000 And it's very low effort smut.

01:47:07.000 I was in the airport the other day.

01:47:10.000 And hockey romances have become this huge thing.

01:47:14.000 So women like romance novels, but then there's specific types of romance novel they like. 1.00

01:47:18.000 Hockey romance.

01:47:20.000 So there's different types they like.

01:47:22.000 So they like, you know, business exec romance.

01:47:24.000 They like cowboy romance.

01:47:26.000 They like werewolf romance.

01:47:28.000 And they like, there's a lot of sports romances, but specifically hockey.

01:47:31.000 They really like romance stories involving hockey players.

01:47:34.000 That's an interesting thing.

01:47:35.000 You could really dissect that.

01:47:37.000 My guess is, frankly, I'll be honest, hockey is probably one of the last sports that's like implicitly mostly white people. 0.59

01:47:44.000 And so it's where you plausibly have, you know, where you have a tall guy, where you have a tall guy who's like, can be blonde and blue-eyed, which is what a lot of women like.

01:47:53.000 It's kind of violent.

01:47:54.000 So yeah, they can be tough.

01:47:56.000 It's still a team sport.

01:47:57.000 So you can have the interpersonal drama of what's going on within the team.

01:48:01.000 You're not going to get that with tennis, for example.

01:48:03.000 I just think it's all those things together.

01:48:05.000 But there's tons of these.

01:48:06.000 There's one called Icebreaker.

01:48:08.000 You've seen the cover.

01:48:08.000 It's in every bookstore.

01:48:10.000 It's sold millions of copies.

01:48:11.000 It has hundreds of thousands of ratings on Amazon and on Goodreads.

01:48:16.000 But there's tons of these.

01:48:17.000 So I was in the bookstore the other day.

01:48:19.000 Yeah.

01:48:20.000 It was book four.

01:48:21.000 Yeah.

01:48:22.000 So we have that.

01:48:23.000 That is just one of the most popular books of the past decade is that.

01:48:26.000 Oh, yeah.

01:48:27.000 Millions of copies.

01:48:28.000 And it is just a smut book.

01:48:30.000 Over 1 million copies sold.

01:48:32.000 Yeah.

01:48:32.000 It is smut.

01:48:33.000 It is literally just a pornographic book. 0.99

01:48:35.000 Trust me on this one.

01:48:37.000 And there's tons of them like that.

01:48:38.000 You bought it at the airport.

01:48:39.000 I did not buy it.

01:48:40.000 Blow my mind.

01:48:40.000 No, I was in the airport.

01:48:42.000 I bought the e-book.

01:48:42.000 I was in the airport, and there was a different romance series, and it was a whole hockey romance series about the Jacksonville Rays, a fake NHL team.

01:48:51.000 And it's getting more and more extreme because book one, that one we saw there is at least, as far as I know, a normal romance, just boy girl.

01:48:59.000 I thought you said it was a porn.

01:49:00.000 Well, it is, but it's still like it is still just a normal relationship.

01:49:04.000 It's better.

01:49:05.000 It's smut is what he means.

01:49:06.000 So book one of this Jacksonville Rays series, first of all, all the titles are just actually, this is probably another reason they like hockey.

01:49:12.000 They're just bad, dirty puns, like, you know, like down to puck and pucking strong and stuff like that.

01:49:19.000 Anyway, book one was a woman has love quadrangle with four with three guys on the hockey team.

01:49:26.000 And the happy resolution is polyamory.

01:49:29.000 She can just be with all three of the guys.

01:49:30.000 And that's the happy ending.

01:49:32.000 Book two, book two is there, it's a body positivity romance.

01:49:39.000 So it's like a big girl, a fat girl, and she still gets the hot hockey player. 1.00

01:49:43.000 And by book four, which is the one I encountered, it's just a gay romance.

01:49:47.000 Two men, but it's still written by a woman for women.

01:49:51.000 Are you sure you didn't buy these books?

01:49:52.000 I did not buy it.

01:49:53.000 Are you sure?

01:49:54.000 I could just see you rolling up to the bookstore at the airport with your Boba T. Wait, these are amazing.

01:50:02.000 And you bought it.

01:50:03.000 I did not buy it.

01:50:04.000 I did not buy it.

01:50:05.000 I did not read it.

01:50:07.000 I thought it was funny.

01:50:08.000 So for investigative purposes, that is the series.

01:50:11.000 So for investigative purposes.

01:50:14.000 For investigative purposes.

01:50:16.000 Blake, you know too much.

01:50:17.000 I looked at the book, but I did not buy it.

01:50:19.000 I did not read the whole thing.

01:50:20.000 You did not inhale it.

01:50:21.000 I will admit.

01:50:22.000 I will admit, it took me an amusingly long time to realize that the gay one was like a gay romance novel, even though I opened it. 0.99

01:50:30.000 Your gay dars off. 1.00

01:50:31.000 How far in the book? 0.99

01:50:32.000 How much of the book did you read before you realized?

01:50:35.000 The funny thing is, I opened a random page, and literally, one of the characters is like, are you on prep?

01:50:41.000 What's prep?

01:50:42.000 And it's the drug that you take to not get HIV if you are.

01:50:46.000 You know way too much about this book.

01:50:48.000 I love it.

01:50:49.000 You read the book.

01:50:50.000 I like Blake.

01:50:52.000 I am under attack.

01:50:53.000 I am being persecuted.

01:50:55.000 Blake knows way too much about European history, too.

01:50:59.000 Blake, you lied to bring you entertaining stories.

01:51:04.000 I try to bring you entertaining stories.

01:51:07.000 Somehow, Blake, you made my skin crawl more than the AI grandma video.

01:51:12.000 You guys persecuted because I try to bring funny information to you.

01:51:18.000 Blake is like, hey, how about those gay hockey novels?

01:51:21.000 How did we get those?

01:51:22.000 Yeah, but what about those gay hockey novels?

01:51:24.000 Because women's lit is out of control. 1.00

01:51:28.000 Here's the setup.

01:51:29.000 Here's the setup.

01:51:31.000 I told this to the team that Sidney Sweeney is going to absolutely let it.

01:51:38.000 She's going to overcompensate because she knows everybody thinks she's right-coated and a conservative and MAGA and all this stuff. 0.94

01:51:45.000 She's going to overcompensate.

01:51:47.000 This is why we saw her naked on some sort of red carpet kid. 1.00

01:51:52.000 She had her, you know.

01:51:55.000 Why'd you say it that way?

01:51:56.000 I don't know.

01:51:56.000 She was naked.

01:51:58.000 Yeah, there it is.

01:52:01.000 This is the thing.

01:52:03.000 It was basically.

01:52:05.000 Oh, it's blurred.

01:52:06.000 I see.

01:52:06.000 Oh, it's blurred.

01:52:07.000 No, so I can't see it from here.

01:52:10.000 She is going to let us down because she's going to say, no one controls me.

01:52:13.000 And to Jack's point, I think she's, you know, empowered feminist. 1.00

01:52:17.000 She's not going to be controlled or defined by anybody.

01:52:20.000 Well, I do think that her career has been built around the blurred out section there.

01:52:25.000 So, I mean, a lot of her career has been focused in one part of her calendar.

01:52:36.000 Yeah.

01:52:37.000 Well, anyway.

01:52:38.000 Her charm.

01:52:39.000 Her intellect.

01:52:40.000 I thought that she did a great job.

01:52:42.000 I thought she did a great job.

01:52:44.000 She knows what's not apologizing to that.

01:52:46.000 Was it Cosmo or GQ?

01:52:49.000 What was that?

01:52:50.000 I can't remember.

01:52:51.000 She heard the outlet, but she did a great job of not apologizing for the ad because the whole thing was blown out of proportion.

01:52:58.000 Good genes, all this stuff.

01:52:59.000 Anyways, I guess I suppose I'm a fan-ish of Sidney Sweeney just because she's something new and novel and unique.

01:53:10.000 But yeah, I think you're right, Jack.

01:53:13.000 If you're going to put any faith in Sidney Sweeney, be prepared to be let down.

01:53:17.000 Greatly.

01:53:18.000 And that's where it is, guys.

01:53:19.000 We're on.

01:53:20.000 No one here is let down by Sidney Sweeney.

01:53:23.000 Men need to rise up.

01:53:24.000 We need to stop.

01:53:25.000 We need to stop trusting these Hollywood starlets. 1.00

01:53:30.000 We need to stop trusting these New Jersey women like that one who apparently faked a hate crime, a Trump hate crime or something. 1.00

01:53:37.000 Can't do it, boys.

01:53:38.000 It's all up to us.

01:53:40.000 She worked for Van Drew.

01:53:42.000 Yeah.

01:53:45.000 All the guys were sharing that picture in their in the group chat today, and they were like, they're like, I can fix her.

01:53:50.000 I can fix her.

01:53:54.000 All right.

01:53:55.000 Listen, Jack, you have an event tonight.

01:53:57.000 If you want to preface it, and then we'll take us on.

01:54:01.000 Much of it's live streamed or like that comes out the next day or how that works, but I'm an event tonight here actually backstage at what is this place called?

01:54:10.000 The Diamond Heart Arena in Bakersfield, California.

01:54:16.000 It is Megan Kelly, myself, Victor Davis Hansen, Steve Hilton, and believe it or not, Charlie Sheen.

01:54:23.000 Yes, that's right.

01:54:24.000 The Charlie Sheen is here.

01:54:25.000 Ricky Vaughan himself will be on stage as well as I.

01:54:30.000 And, you know, this was actually, this was supposed to be Charlie's stop on the tour with Megan Kelly.

01:54:39.000 And obviously, Charlie can't be here.

01:54:41.000 And, you know, she asked me to just come up and say a few words about him.

01:54:44.000 And I'm going to do that.

01:54:45.000 And I'm really looking forward, of course, to Erica when she goes and speaks to Megan Kelly, I think, in two nights' time on Saturday night there in Phoenix.

01:54:55.000 Yep, Glendale.

01:54:56.000 Doing it, the old coyotes arena there.

01:54:59.000 Desert.

01:55:00.000 Yeah, Desert Diamond Arena.

01:55:02.000 Speaking of hockey.

01:55:04.000 We got to have the coyotes come back, but not to Glendale.

01:55:07.000 We need them back to Scottsdale.

01:55:09.000 That'd be fantastic.

01:55:09.000 That'd be great.

01:55:10.000 Jack, I'm going to take us home here, brother.

01:55:13.000 But this has been a very fun, illuminating, skin-crawling discussion. 1.00

01:55:19.000 I've been surprised, enlightened, disappointed, disgusted.

01:55:23.000 All of the things.

01:55:24.000 Hopefully you enjoyed it.

01:55:24.000 That's what she said.

01:55:26.000 Yeah.

01:55:26.000 All right.

01:55:28.000 Until next Thursday, keep committing thought crimes.

01:55:37.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - November 22, 2025

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 106 — Democrat Sedition? Mankeeping? Epstein Files At Last?

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