The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 109 — Tyler Robinson In Court

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00:01:12.000 Another edition of Thought Crime Thursday.

00:01:14.000 We've got breaking news hard and fast in the Tyler Robinson trial.

00:01:20.000 We're on with Blake Knepp.

00:01:22.000 What's up, Lake?

00:01:22.000 Howdy.

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00:01:23.000 Good to see you, Jack.

00:01:24.000 You as well.

00:01:25.000 And Cliff Laloney.

00:01:26.000 How are you, Cliff?

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00:01:27.000 Thanks for having me, gents.

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00:01:29.000 So the judge is currently ruling on information regarding and motions regarding whether or not cameras will be allowed in the courtroom for Tyler Robinson, who is the accused murderer of Charlie, our friend.

00:01:46.000 And I've been seeing a lot of information that Judge Graff made a ruling regarding Charlie's, regarding cameras in the courtroom.

00:01:54.000 However, people need to understand that the ruling that just came down, and I see this going viral online even as we speak, that was only about cameras in the courtroom today as pertains to this specific hearing and possibly pre-brief hearings in general.

00:02:11.000 There's also mention, and I've got this from a reporter that Graff wrote, just keeping stated, that we've set aside the 30th of January, and that might be the one want to say to argue our anticipated motion that's coming about keeping Courtney's out of court.

00:02:30.000 Cameras in the courtroom, I want to weigh in as well.

00:02:32.000 It will be on January 30th.

00:02:34.000 So on January 30th is the one that they're making that ruling for.

00:02:37.000 They're not making a ruling yet as of this time for the entire courtroom trial.

00:02:44.000 Blake Matthew, you've been watching this.

00:02:45.000 Is this your understanding as well?

00:02:47.000 Yeah, yeah, that seems right.

00:02:48.000 It went out in a few places that they'd already ruled, but that's not surprising.

00:02:52.000 Kind of everything about this case seems to take forever, which we complained about on the show today.

00:02:56.000 And I promptly got an email from another person who works in other murder trials.

00:03:00.000 And she said, it's just always like this.

00:03:03.000 She said she's seen absolute open and shut gangbanger shooting cases take two years to resolve.

00:03:10.000 And so that sadly might be like this even for something as basic as getting cameras into the courtroom, which we're all hoping for, I think.

00:03:18.000 Besides that, I guess the main thing we've gotten out of this, because people need something to feast on, is we do have really our first in a courtroom video footage of Tyler Robinson.

00:03:32.000 We have people analyzing his facial expressions because there's not too much to analyze otherwise at this point, whether his, whether the look on his face and profile, which we're showing right now, is he smiling?

00:03:45.000 Is he laughing?

00:03:46.000 A lot of people have had that interpretation.

00:03:48.000 I'll admit, I've only gotten a chance to look at it a few times.

00:03:52.000 I'm not sure I see laughing.

00:03:54.000 You can see a sort of grin a few times, but I could understand that someone said that it was otherwise.

00:04:00.000 And by the way, guys, I'm going to share in the chat right now.

00:04:03.000 I just got the Otter note with the full transcript.

00:04:08.000 So if you guys want to get it in.

00:04:11.000 But yeah, so, oh, excuse me, the media access, actually, January 30th is now moved because the hearing is still going on.

00:04:20.000 So they now move back to February 3rd.

00:04:22.000 So Blake, to your point, there we go.

00:04:25.000 They're just moving it out again.

00:04:26.000 They're moving it out.

00:04:27.000 They're moving it out.

00:04:28.000 I would say, though, if you have, does anyone have that picture of Charlie, or excuse me, Charlie, of Tyler Robinson, this, you know, where it's kind of zoomed in?

00:04:38.000 It's like a zoomed in picture of him.

00:04:41.000 And Blake, I'll, you know, to your point, I'll send it in the chat.

00:04:45.000 I didn't necessarily see him laughing in this video, but there's one spot where that, I mean, that's just definitely a smile.

00:04:53.000 And, you know, there are times where Brian Etton out of News Nation, who does a lot of this reporting, he said that, you know, sometimes it can be a tactic by defense teams to say, try to look more human, try to smile, try to humanize yourself with the jury or any potential jurors who might be watching.

00:05:11.000 So act normal.

00:05:13.000 And yet, when you see this specific image of him smiling and you see sort of the way that he's acting, I mean, to me, he looks very smug.

00:05:25.000 He looks very smug.

00:05:26.000 He seems, it's a grin.

00:05:29.000 It's a grin.

00:05:30.000 It's a smirk that you see in these images.

00:05:33.000 And we're going to get that up and show you guys in just a second.

00:05:36.000 But this is, I'm just going to say it, guys.

00:05:39.000 This was very, it was hard to watch.

00:05:42.000 All right.

00:05:42.000 I'm just going to say right now.

00:05:43.000 It was really hard for me to watch and see this guy yucking it up with his lawyers there at the table and grinning and certainly not looking remorseful, certainly not looking as though he's sad that we're in the proceedings for the death of a good man, the death of a father, the death of a husband.

00:06:03.000 He's just, you know, very nonchalant and having a good time, hanging out like he doesn't have a care in the world.

00:06:10.000 And, you know, I don't know the strategy or what, but I got very upset watching this earlier today.

00:06:18.000 And I, yeah, I can't even really say publicly what I want to say.

00:06:25.000 Cliff, I don't know.

00:06:25.000 What do you think?

00:06:26.000 What were your thoughts when you saw this video?

00:06:29.000 Well, I think this was a big moment for everybody, at least for me.

00:06:32.000 I mean, I texted Tyler about this when I first saw the image of him grinning.

00:06:37.000 I think the same thing.

00:06:38.000 The same exact thing.

00:06:39.000 In a weird way, I think all of us are dealing with this in different ways.

00:06:43.000 And it still comes in waves.

00:06:45.000 And sometimes it still doesn't feel real.

00:06:47.000 This was a moment, right?

00:06:48.000 When he seeing him like as an actual person, I'm not calling him that.

00:06:52.000 He's not worthy of being called a human being.

00:06:55.000 He's a piece of garbage.

00:06:56.000 But it really just made this thing real again.

00:07:00.000 And I think it was a moment, you know, to see him not just as, you know, hey, this prisoner who we saw briefly in the, you know, the prison garb, but now to be in a dress shirt and the tie, to have people surrounding him defending him.

00:07:15.000 You know, it's the justice system and it's going to play its way out, but it was tough to watch.

00:07:19.000 And let me just say this to everybody out there.

00:07:21.000 These trials are going to take time.

00:07:24.000 Okay.

00:07:24.000 It's going to be frustrating.

00:07:25.000 There's going to be so much that they have to prove that he is a person, that he was there, that there is a campus, the campus exists in Utah.

00:07:33.000 There are so many, I want to call them preliminary things, but things that for most normal folks, if you've never been into a criminal trial, if you've never seen one, there are so many mundane things that the prosecutors are going to have to prove that are real things.

00:07:47.000 And to us, it's so obvious, but in the court of law, you have to prove those things.

00:07:52.000 And so I do think we should be prepared for this to be a long, drawn-out battle.

00:07:55.000 But as Erica said, why not be transparent?

00:07:59.000 So that is the win that we're looking for.

00:08:00.000 We're hoping that this is all going to be on camera, not to glamorize him, but let the people see what this monster did.

00:08:07.000 And let's have an open trial so that there's full transparency.

00:08:11.000 I agree with Erica on that.

00:08:14.000 Yeah, I really think it's one of those things where there's a lot of, I think a lot of the issues we've encountered with what people say about this, it comes from. the psychic overload that there people have such strong feelings about Charlie and about what happened to him.

00:08:28.000 They need to engage with it.

00:08:30.000 They need something to react to.

00:08:32.000 And instead of having an unfolding trial with facts, instead of having all the truly, actually quite lurid information about Tyler Robinson and his private life, I think that could be satiating a lot of them.

00:08:46.000 But it's taking a long time because these court proceedings take so long.

00:08:51.000 And so they're getting diverted into other things.

00:08:54.000 I think it's a big argument in favor of we should, as a country, spend more on our justice system, have more prosecutors, more judges, whatever it takes to have faster hearings, faster trials, faster turnaround on this sort of thing, because this is a modern development.

00:09:11.000 You used to be able to do serious trials with serious evidence and serious proceedings within the last hundred years without nearly as much delay for this sort of thing.

00:09:23.000 There have been attempted assassins of presidents who are tried, convicted, in a fair trial, and in their cases, executed within a two, three month time window.

00:09:35.000 You don't necessarily need this to be that fast, but it feels very disappointing to me that anyone in a high-profile murder case is taking half a year before you're even getting to jury selection.

00:09:47.000 Yeah, and it's going to continue to drag out.

00:09:49.000 And that's why I'm saying that.

00:09:50.000 Like I agree with you, but I think it's our job to kind of set the expectation with viewers of the show and people that love Charlie.

00:09:57.000 This is not going to be a four-month thing, right?

00:10:00.000 This is going to take a long time.

00:10:02.000 There's going to be jury selection.

00:10:03.000 There's going to be tons of these just things that from an outside perspective, you're going to say, well, who really cares about that?

00:10:09.000 Why are they able to drag it out?

00:10:11.000 But that's part of the strategy.

00:10:13.000 And sometimes it's for the defense.

00:10:14.000 Sometimes it's for the prosecutors, you know, to kind of get the jury mad at the other side or to be frustrated.

00:10:20.000 But I think, you know, the other thing is selecting a jury in this case, you know, to have a jury that's not tampered or people that haven't seen this.

00:10:27.000 I mean, this is unprecedented, right?

00:10:29.000 Charlie was everywhere.

00:10:31.000 I think it's hard to find someone, especially now with the news coverage that doesn't know who Charlie Kirk is.

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00:10:48.000 And I think that's going to be a key part, you know, to what the prosecution has to do is to making sure that this isn't some issue that goes to a mistrial later because one of the jurors says that, oh, they weren't familiar with it or they don't know who Charlie is or they haven't seen any of these reports.

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00:12:28.000 So one thing that I'm getting from a friend of mine who was watching this and does some work in the true crime, you know, kind of like apologies files to watch.

00:12:39.000 So it says that Erica was officially made the victim in this.

00:12:46.000 And something that a lot of people have pointed out that could come up in terms of some of the firestorm, the media that's already going on, is the Utah witness intimidation law.

00:13:00.000 And I'll put that out right now.

00:13:02.000 So this is some, and by the way, this is something that comes up in a number of these cases when people have become, have followed them so closely, but then become so, shall I say, so targeted at witnesses and victims.

00:13:19.000 So here's what it says.

00:13:20.000 Under Utah law, a person committing witness tampering or intimidation, if they attempt to improperly influence the testimony of someone they know that might testify, attempt to prevent someone from testifying, threaten, harass, or retaliate against someone because of their role, engage in conduct intending to make a witness fearful, silent, or less cooperative with the justice process.

00:13:42.000 Utah specifically criminalizes threats, harassment, public accusations intended to discredit, public pressure campaigns that could chill testimony, retaliatory conduct towards victims or victim advocates or designated representatives, public statements, even online, can use the definition if the intent is to affect testimony or cooperation.

00:14:04.000 And so this is something that has come up in a number of these cases where you have this huge community that gets involved, but people have to remember that they are active cases.

00:14:16.000 And in fact, there are laws on the books that govern anyone who can get involved in anyone that is getting involved in these cases.

00:14:28.000 And that's serious.

00:14:29.000 That's a very serious thing.

00:14:31.000 And these laws have been on the books for a long time.

00:14:33.000 Blake, walk us through why we have laws like this.

00:14:36.000 I mean, we have laws like this because those are the things that people do to escape culpability for crimes.

00:14:45.000 And also, frankly, a part of it is also they're a way, like our glorious Supreme Court has made it difficult to execute people, unfortunately.

00:14:56.000 And so one of the ways they've gone about it is they've said you have to have some aggravating factors before we will allow a heinous perpetrator, traitor to face appropriate punishment for their crimes.

00:15:10.000 And so you definitely see facets of that throughout the indictment of Tyler Robinson, where they threw in that charge for doing something in the presence of a minor.

00:15:22.000 And I think the witness intimidation stuff comes into that because when you're doing stuff against witnesses, that's another thing that's considered a valid aggravating factor in cases.

00:15:33.000 And so you get those in play.

00:15:35.000 They're clearly, they structured the indictment in a way to make sure a court couldn't swoop in later and say there were no aggravating factors, so you can't try to bring the death penalty in this case.

00:15:47.000 I just want to clear up something, guys, because I have this.

00:15:49.000 So the official term is, and Maya Culpa, if I use the wrong term, she is recognized as the designated victim representative.

00:16:00.000 So she'd be officially recognized as a designated victim representative.

00:16:04.000 And so that means she has a right to attend the trial.

00:16:08.000 But as such, a lot of these witness intimidation laws could potentially, if the judge decides to, cover the designated victim representative as well, which means they cover Erica.

00:16:19.000 And I mean, Blake, to your point, there's a basic reason we don't want people intimidating victims in the trial because we want actual justice.

00:16:27.000 Well, for the same reason, we want actual justice.

00:16:30.000 So that's why these laws on witness intimidation also cover victim representative intimidation as well.

00:16:37.000 Yeah, and if I'm understanding this correctly, why I think this opens up a can of worms in a good way is because now all of a sudden, you know, look, defamation, all of us know, you know, some of the vile things we've seen and some of these horrific things that people say about us or anybody that's involved with Charlie or New Charlie, you know, the standard for defamation is pretty much impossible in the United States.

00:16:57.000 I mean, for public figures, it is pretty much something where to be successful in a defamation case against a public figure, it's just very rare.

00:17:05.000 But now, I'm hearing this and I'm thinking to myself, you know, now it makes it, I think, much more doable that if Erica or the state wanted to go after somebody that is literally threatening her in a way or defaming her in a way that could intimidate her as a potential witness or as the victim representative.

00:17:26.000 Am I saying that correctly?

00:17:28.000 Does that open the door where it's much more liable for somebody to go after somebody that now has that label?

00:17:35.000 Because with defamation, it's pretty much impossible.

00:17:37.000 Yeah, it can be.

00:17:40.000 It's ultimately up to the judge.

00:17:41.000 It's ultimately up to prosecutors in this case.

00:17:44.000 But yes, it does give her an official standing with the court and in the trial.

00:17:50.000 So what it means, and this has come up in other cases where in other parts of the country where people have been harassed, intimidated, and then taking it up with the court.

00:18:01.000 And they've gone back and found rulings on their behalf and said, look, you can't interfere with someone who's directly involved with a trial like this, what they view as a form of witness intimidation and actually tampering with a jury trial.

00:18:17.000 And by the way, you know, just from a personal perspective, I want everyone to comment on this file.

00:18:23.000 If you disagree, if you think if you're one of these people who is, I've been calling them the Robin Simps. 0.92

00:18:29.000 So the Tyler Robin Simps who actually support Tyler Robinson and they think that he's completely innocent and think that there's no way he could have done it and think this.

00:18:38.000 I want the Robin Simps to be out there. 0.55

00:18:40.000 I'm not calling for them to be arrested or charged or anything like that.

00:18:43.000 And I think they have a perfectly fine First Amendment right to be wrong.

00:18:46.000 But the Robin Simpson, people asking questions.

00:18:49.000 You have perfectly right to ask questions in this country called the First Amendment.

00:18:54.000 That said, people should be aware that these laws are on the book.

00:18:58.000 And that's just why I'm reading that.

00:19:00.000 Because very simply, I'm just reading here.

00:19:02.000 Victims have rights.

00:19:03.000 It's really simple.

00:19:05.000 There's a bill of rights for victims and it includes the victims and not the freedom to not be publicly harassed, intimidated abuse, protection from accusations, mobilization of followers to harass or attack.

00:19:15.000 And so this means that in a sense, and I'm reading this, Erica is now officially tied to the prosecution and the prosecution can take actions to protect her.

00:19:26.000 And that's just something that is going to be another feature of this case, I believe, going forward.

00:19:33.000 It's possible.

00:19:34.000 I feel like that would be what you're alluding to would be a stretch, but I guess I would probably appreciate it.

00:19:40.000 It's not a stretch.

00:19:40.000 It's the law.

00:19:41.000 Yeah, I mean, it's the law, but it would be, there's laws and then it's how do you use those laws?

00:19:48.000 I would be very pleasantly surprised if we saw it used in that way.

00:19:53.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:19:54.000 I'm just, I have no idea if it would or it wouldn't, but we have seen people face charges for victim intimidation before another state.

00:20:04.000 We have, we have.

00:20:05.000 I'd have to read more on what they specifically did in those cases, though.

00:20:09.000 Well, again, we're just talking about the liability.

00:20:11.000 So, the fact that she is now the official designation means that there are certain laws that apply to Erica that prior to this did not.

00:20:19.000 And if I had to ask you guys, how long do you guys think that this lasts?

00:20:24.000 I mean, what's a reason?

00:20:25.000 I mean, is it we talking about a year and a half?

00:20:26.000 Are we talking about three months?

00:20:28.000 Like, what's the prediction?

00:20:30.000 I mean, if you really want to know if it's a capital case, if he gets the death penalty, he could, this could be a 30-year thing.

00:20:37.000 You've seen how often they love to drag these things out.

00:20:40.000 Even without that, it's a great cause of the left to get people who have life in prison out on parole somehow, especially if it is life without parole.

00:20:51.000 We're given that promise all of the time, and it doesn't pan out.

00:20:55.000 You see these things.

00:20:56.000 They love to commute sentences.

00:20:58.000 Now, there are just people out there who love criminals.

00:21:01.000 They love letting criminals get out.

00:21:03.000 They love letting people who've committed heinous crimes roam free in society again.

00:21:08.000 So I feel rather unfortunately, I just can't truly imagine this being over over for tragically many years.

00:21:19.000 They'll find some way to perpetuate this case far beyond what it should be.

00:21:23.000 Do we have any intel on how he's funding his defense?

00:21:26.000 I mean, does he come from any money?

00:21:28.000 Like, is this, are these public defenders?

00:21:30.000 So it comes from a public pot of money.

00:21:35.000 And so he's given a public pot of money that was granted to him.

00:21:39.000 This is also under youth, governed by Utah law.

00:21:43.000 I could pull up in a second exactly about his legal team, but yes, it does come from a public pot of money.

00:21:49.000 And they did give him acc because it's a capital case.

00:21:52.000 They are then giving him access to a higher amount of funds they would if than if it were a, you know, if there were just a misdemeanor case, a felony case, a capital murder case, they are giving him access to far more funds because, of course, this is why the state wants this, because they don't want, let's say he's convicted, they don't want him to be able to come back around on an appeal and say, oh, I had ineffective, you know, ineffective counsel or something like that.

00:22:18.000 Got it.

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00:23:26.000 Well, here's something else I want to add, by the way.

00:23:28.000 So his parents, we are told reporters who were in the courtroom, including Dan News Nation, that his parents did attend the trial, as well as one of his brothers.

00:23:38.000 And sounds like his mother was very emotional.

00:23:41.000 It sounded like he was crying while she was waiting for.

00:23:45.000 There was a portion of this that was held behind closed doors while they were sort of making the arguments regarding the cameras.

00:23:52.000 And Brian Netton mentioned that his mother was all at one point.

00:23:56.000 They asked for the family to stay in the courtroom, but then the judge actually asked them to leave the courtroom during the trial phase or during that argument phase.

00:24:05.000 And he said the mother was outside the courtroom, out of the courtroom, just crying.

00:24:09.000 And look, I keep saying over and over, you know, for people who have been telling me that, oh, Tyler Robinson, the plants, you know, this isn't, this isn't real.

00:24:21.000 Well, it's sort of like, guys, his parents were the ones who turned him in.

00:24:27.000 And if they thought their son was innocent, that if he was falsely accused, you know, they have all the opportunity in the world to speak to the media.

00:24:34.000 The eyes of the world are on them today.

00:24:37.000 Not one of them walked up to media and said, my son is innocent.

00:24:42.000 We have Godwald famously referred to himself as a Patsy.

00:24:46.000 And you just don't see anyone from the family coming out and saying that they believe he didn't do it.

00:24:52.000 They believe he was innocent.

00:24:54.000 Just hasn't happened.

00:24:55.000 And it certainly didn't happen, but Ave had the opportunity to do so.

00:24:58.000 They did not.

00:24:59.000 And look, we see these images of Tyler Robinson, these sick images of him.

00:25:06.000 I've just found a new image, by the way.

00:25:07.000 I'm going to send it as well.

00:25:09.000 Just this sick image of him grinning.

00:25:12.000 It was very well, very clear that he's grinning and caught in 4K.

00:25:17.000 He just looks weird, too.

00:25:18.000 I guess that's not the best.

00:25:21.000 Yeah, there it is.

00:25:22.000 He really is.

00:25:23.000 He's grinning while Charlie's family is going to go through prisoners without the dad.

00:25:28.000 He's sitting there drinking.

00:25:29.000 Can we not talk about how he looks like Dado O'Rourke?

00:25:32.000 Has nobody made that comparison yet?

00:25:35.000 Today, he does.

00:25:36.000 Wow, he does come in.

00:25:37.000 Today, in that case, first time I saw that.

00:25:43.000 Jack, you made a good point.

00:25:44.000 I want to elaborate on it.

00:25:45.000 That ruling was interesting when they said, hey, we need to clear out.

00:25:50.000 We're going to make some decisions about cameras and we're going to have some debate on this.

00:25:53.000 And I don't want the public in here.

00:25:56.000 And they obviously, you know, the defense said, hey, we want to request the family can stay.

00:26:00.000 And the judge did not go with them, right?

00:26:03.000 The judge went with the prosecutors.

00:26:05.000 But I find that to be very, very interesting because a lot of times you'll see judges start to go one direction.

00:26:11.000 And if early on they're going the direction of, hey, we're going to, you know, be with the defense, that becomes a problem if you're obviously rooting for the prosecutors.

00:26:19.000 And so I think some of these early decisions can kind of show what type of temperament the judge is going to have.

00:26:26.000 And for the judge to say that Tyler Robinson's family does not get special treatment, they are not allowed to stay in the courtroom, that all members of the public have to leave.

00:26:34.000 I think that's a big win.

00:26:35.000 And I don't think we should glance over that.

00:26:38.000 That was a big ruling from the judge today.

00:26:41.000 And so one other piece for people to understand is that, so people are asking, will Erica testify?

00:26:50.000 And so likely, I mean, it's certainly possible anyone can call witnesses, but it's more likely that as a victim representative, that she will be giving a statement not during the trial phase, but there's two phases to a death penalty trial.

00:27:06.000 I mean, a death penalty trial in most states, including the state of the state of Utah, that the victim doesn't testify until, so there's a conviction.

00:27:16.000 Then there's another phase, which is the conviction phase, our first testimony brought in, and that's when you appear with the order public victim impact statement.

00:27:24.000 And those victim impact statements are the ones that come in there.

00:27:27.000 I'm told that we have a donation.

00:27:29.000 Yeah, well, we have, we have Cade in again.

00:27:32.000 He's a frequent donor.

00:27:32.000 So thank you again, Cade.

00:27:34.000 He says, hey, friends, hope you are well today.

00:27:37.000 And thank you very much, Kate.

00:27:39.000 We have a second one, but it's a lighter topic, so I would like, I don't want to hit it until we're ready to move on to the next one because I don't want to taint this very serious topic with it.

00:27:48.000 But we are aware of your earlier one.

00:27:52.000 Who was that from?

00:27:53.000 From B. Jordan.

00:27:54.000 We'll be reading off yours in a sec here.

00:27:56.000 But do we have anything else we want to hit on this?

00:28:00.000 I have one last question.

00:28:02.000 Do we think that he testifies?

00:28:04.000 Robinson?

00:28:06.000 I mean, technically, we don't even know if he has, he hasn't entered a plea yet, correct?

00:28:10.000 Not a formal plea, no.

00:28:12.000 Yeah, he might just plead guilty for all we know.

00:28:14.000 Yeah, he could.

00:28:15.000 So as far as we know, yes, he easily could just plead guilty.

00:28:20.000 And I'm looking at the chat.

00:28:21.000 Yeah, in the chat, just most people that are just appalled the same way that I am to see him smiling, to see him grinning, laughing it up.

00:28:32.000 Go ahead, man.

00:28:33.000 Lap it up.

00:28:34.000 Go ahead.

00:28:35.000 Keep laughing it up.

00:28:36.000 Lap it up as much as you want.

00:28:37.000 Please continue to do so.

00:28:39.000 Namarstan asked, can they have cameras in the courtroom or not?

00:28:42.000 They have not ruled on that for a trial.

00:28:44.000 He ruled that they could have cameras in the courtroom today for today's hearing, but we do not have a ruling on the overall trial.

00:28:52.000 We likely won't have that for many weeks.

00:28:55.000 That is the cursed reality we live in.

00:28:58.000 all want to see this move more quickly but that is the situation we have right now if both if both of the sides for the hearing the hearing is until february 3rd So we've got two months before we even get a next hearing on that.

00:29:16.000 Just, yeah, it's as stressful for us as it is for everyone else, I can assure you.

00:29:23.000 Yeah, and Blake, I actually, when you said 30 years, that kind of hit me in the gut, but you're right.

00:29:26.000 I mean, this thing could be a very, very long process.

00:29:30.000 I mean, it's truly horrible.

00:29:32.000 I once read in the 70s, there was a serial killer in Houston, and several of them, in fact, it was a group operation.

00:29:41.000 So one of them died and the other went to prison for life.

00:29:44.000 And due to some glorious quirk of the judicial system, that person is eligible for parole.

00:29:50.000 And so they literally were a group that abducted children and murdered them.

00:29:55.000 And every couple years, the parents of one of their last victims have to go to the court to present their arguments for why the person who murdered their child should not be out on the streets again.

00:30:07.000 And this will continue as long as they are alive.

00:30:12.000 And I just think about what a tragedy that is for a person who, like, their entire life was a waste.

00:30:19.000 They used it to destroy other people's lives.

00:30:22.000 And we preserve them for some reason.

00:30:26.000 I don't understand it.

00:30:27.000 I don't understand why we moved away from justice as a principle that our state can wield.

00:30:34.000 But that is what we have.

00:30:36.000 And it leads to a lot of re-traumatization of people like those parents, like Erica Kirk, like a lot of people.

00:30:43.000 Well, Blake, are you familiar with that case?

00:30:45.000 And Cliff, you might know this because it's Philadelphia of Mumia Abu Jamal. 0.51

00:30:49.000 Fry Mumia. 0.99

00:30:50.000 No, kill me.

00:30:53.000 Yeah, so Mumia is, this is a guy who, think about this.

00:30:56.000 He killed a police officer, Black Panther, so he shot a police officer in cold blood before I was born in 1980.

00:31:06.000 He killed him in 1981.

00:31:07.000 Then he sentenced to death in 1982.

00:31:10.000 And years and years and years go by.

00:31:13.000 20 years go by.

00:31:15.000 He's still alive.

00:31:16.000 He's still on death row.

00:31:16.000 He's filing appeals, filing appeals.

00:31:19.000 The widow of the police officer who is so young, Maureen Faustner, the wife of Danny Faulkner, widow of Danny Faulkner, is begging over and over for justice to be done on this.

00:31:31.000 And then eventually 30 years after the murder, because things have become so woke in the city of Philadelphia that in 2011, the prosecution simply agrees to change his sentence to life without parole.

00:31:44.000 So he gets life without parole, using GenPOP.

00:31:48.000 And this is what they can do there now.

00:31:49.000 He became sort of a quasi-celebrity.

00:31:52.000 You have like Rage Against the Machine and all these people coming in for him.

00:31:57.000 And so, Blake, to your point, this is a big problem when we wait so long to execute murderers that emotions fade, memories fade, people move on to other things and different narratives can get in.

00:32:13.000 In this case, they waited so long that the case was actually taken away.

00:32:17.000 The sentence was actually taken away.

00:32:18.000 And now we just have life in posting.

00:32:20.000 And there's a shortage of justice.

00:32:22.000 Like it, people, I think there is a psychic feeling across America that they think there's a lack of justice for things that have gone wrong.

00:32:30.000 You often hear that in reference to COVID, that lockdowns were obviously a catastrophic decision.

00:32:35.000 A ton of people suffered a lot.

00:32:36.000 And then nobody ever was really held accountable financially, criminally, socially even for what they did.

00:32:43.000 Like at a minimum, someone responsible for something that bad should feel a little ashamed to go outside.

00:32:49.000 And that never happened.

00:32:51.000 And I do feel that's one of the important arguments in favor of capital punishment.

00:32:56.000 There should be a high-profile way, something that goes on semi-regularly if you're in a society with crimes that reminds you people who do grave works of evil will be ripped out of society like the cancers that they are.

00:33:12.000 And I don't think it's a surprise that when you have a society afraid to execute the worst malefactors, you have a society that is increasingly detached from any principle of right and wrong whatsoever.

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00:34:30.000 Yeah, and look, I mean, I spent a lot of time, I mean, Trump's first term, the first step act, right?

00:34:34.000 A lot of people on the right, criminal justice reform, we were all about it.

00:34:38.000 But here's the big difference.

00:34:39.000 We were talking nonviolent.

00:34:41.000 And this is where I think a lot of people on the left have kind of lost it, not just with Defund the Police, but it becomes that any law on the books, you know, we need to have sympathy for those because the justice system is flawed.

00:34:52.000 And it's just not true, right?

00:34:53.000 Obviously, the justice system can be flawed, but this idea of like soft on crime across the board, it's kind of this vicious, like they're just all in on that.

00:35:03.000 And to me, like you said, when you have these things that are very, very much not what I would call nonviolent, these horrific crimes, I think it should be the opposite.

00:35:12.000 Like you said, we should make an example of these people.

00:35:15.000 And I took, look, I spent a lot of time being against the death penalty, probably 10 years.

00:35:19.000 And to be frank with you guys, this was probably the moment where I realized when something hit close to home with somebody that we knew That, you know, it's easy to theorize about that and to say, well, you know, I don't trust the government to kill somebody.

00:35:33.000 But in certain circumstances, it is very justified.

00:35:37.000 And obviously, I believe this is one of those.

00:35:39.000 We have got a question from a gibberish nation asked, can the feds go back and charge Robinson with causing Charlie to lose his federal rights by murder and thereby seek the death penalty if it is not obtained through the state court? 0.77

00:35:54.000 I suppose the most important question is, is that, do you guys know, is that a capital offense?

00:35:58.000 Deprivation of civil rights in that matter?

00:36:00.000 That would be an important question.

00:36:02.000 Obviously, we have seen.

00:36:04.000 You would have to charge him with a form of terrorism.

00:36:07.000 I believe would be a capital offense.

00:36:09.000 Yeah, that would be my guess.

00:36:12.000 I'm sure that that has entered their mind as a way, terrorism.

00:36:19.000 Maybe they could get some sort of federal murder charge.

00:36:22.000 They're always creative with those if they cross federal property to do it or something like that.

00:36:28.000 I wouldn't be surprised if that's on the table, but part of that is that's one of the things about it taking so long.

00:36:32.000 Are you going to suddenly come in and charge him if this verdict is finally reached a year from now, a year and a half from now?

00:36:40.000 That is something I'm not sure of.

00:36:42.000 I'm sure they would make a show of it, but again, by the time that would be done, you might be in a new presidential administration, might be a Democrat.

00:36:50.000 And let's be careful what we wish for.

00:36:52.000 Obviously, we want justice for Charlie, but you don't want to get in the habit of the federal government coming in and finding some law or something that they can.

00:36:59.000 I mean, what's John Stousle's book, Three Felonies a Day, right?

00:37:05.000 If the government wants to come after you, they can.

00:37:07.000 So I do want justice here, but let's just get the win here in Utah and not try to find a way that the federal government can come in and try to.

00:37:16.000 Yeah, the answer to the question is yes.

00:37:17.000 Of course, if the feds wanted to do it, they could try to do it.

00:37:20.000 It'd be unprecedented, but they could try to do it.

00:37:23.000 I don't think we want to be in the position where the federal government, God willing, it's not JD Vance after 28.

00:37:29.000 I don't want them backdating things and coming after us for random acts that they deem as some sort of federal offense.

00:37:36.000 No, but you can, I mean, you certainly can add that Jared Chauvin got federal charges added to his state charges.

00:37:42.000 So, I mean, this wouldn't be the first time that there were two sets of cases.

00:37:48.000 And I'm not saying it's prudent necessarily do so, but certainly just in a basic answer to the question, yes, the federal government can do that and certainly have the right to do that.

00:37:59.000 They did.

00:37:59.000 All right.

00:38:00.000 It looks like I just want to say, because they did donate, and we always try to read those.

00:38:04.000 I said I'd do it when we got to change topics, but the chat is super locked into this topic.

00:38:08.000 So I think we're staying zeroed in on the Robinson saga.

00:38:11.000 But I wanted to call this a, so B. Jordan, 24-563, donated $20 and said, appreciate the show, guys.

00:38:17.000 We appreciate you, Jordan.

00:38:19.000 Hoping the Sharon Moore situation might come up this week.

00:38:22.000 For those who don't know, the coach of Michigan football got caught, I believe, impregnating an undergraduate, not advised.

00:38:29.000 That would be an amazing topic, but we have a more serious topic that is very close to our hearts that does deserve our full attention this week.

00:38:38.000 But I agree, it is a very fun story.

00:38:41.000 And again, thank you for your support.

00:38:42.000 Thank you for tuning in.

00:38:44.000 But yeah, on this one, yeah, you're right, turning point.

00:38:49.000 We have to stay focused for Charlie.

00:38:51.000 We have to watch this case.

00:38:53.000 Anyone else?

00:38:54.000 Someone's just a Chad 89 says, Antifa being a terrorist organization could be enough for a federal charge.

00:39:02.000 I guess you would have to find, you would have to be able to prove that he even considered himself acting as an agent of Antifa.

00:39:10.000 So that would be something where if we have a very thorough look at his Discord messages, any chat groups he was in, you might be able to find that.

00:39:20.000 But if he's not, if he never uses Antifa to describe himself, if he's not in contact, that could be tough.

00:39:26.000 It's always, there are things that can bring you down.

00:39:29.000 So I don't, I guess I would encourage us to view this trial as by far our best shot to get the accountability we want for Robinson.

00:39:39.000 And we would only consider alternatives if that's just not going to come to pass.

00:39:42.000 That's my thought.

00:39:43.000 Yeah.

00:39:43.000 And also, as an example, the Maggioni case, depending on where you take this, you know, you got to make sure you have a judge that actually believes in upholding the law.

00:39:51.000 So Luigi Maggioni was charged under federal terrorism.

00:39:55.000 And the judge in that case, this liberal judge, actually threw it out.

00:39:59.000 So he threw out the terrorism charge because he said that, well, this isn't terrorism that when Magioni murdered the healthcare CEO.

00:40:08.000 And the judge, as a liberal, said that it wasn't terrorism because it was only murdering one person and that his actions weren't intended to cause harm or intimidation to others, despite the fact that he, just like Tyler Robinson, wrote political slogan on his bullet, had a manifesto, had all the intent in the world to spark what he called justice for, you know, these issues in the healthcare system,

00:40:37.000 inequality in the healthcare system.

00:40:39.000 And yet the judge said, and the judge actually imparted his ruling in that, because in the New York, this is even a state judge, so I have to, I may have to double check myself, but I remember it was a terrorism charge, and that's why I'm talking about it.

00:40:51.000 But he said that the way the statute was written was that it affected harm to civilians.

00:40:59.000 And under the statute, he ruled that healthcare workers don't count as civilians because that only means the public at large.

00:41:07.000 It was the most twisted ruling and the most twisted reading of the statute that I've ever seen.

00:41:12.000 And I'm like, this guy must obviously be a liberal to say that, oh, well, if you work for a healthcare company, you're not a civilian.

00:41:18.000 It's like, yeah, that's exactly how all marks was think.

00:41:21.000 Yeah, and one point I'll make, I mean, you know, I've seen a lot of these different cases where the law can say, you know, the sky is blue.

00:41:29.000 But if a judge says, hey, you know, today it's red, it's like, it really, once again, there are flaws in the justice system.

00:41:36.000 And some of these judges and some of the rulings, it can be as clear as day to all of us.

00:41:40.000 And, you know, I mean, these judges are elected, right?

00:41:43.000 Or they're appointed by somebody that we elected and that system's supposed to work.

00:41:46.000 But sometimes it's just broken and it stinks and you got to power through it.

00:41:50.000 And so I've been asked, say, what is the psychology of a Robin Simp?

00:41:57.000 And I'll ask you guys this.

00:41:58.000 So do you guys know?

00:41:59.000 So a Robin Simper.

00:42:00.000 So a Robin Simper is who, and not just ask questions about the public narrative.

00:42:06.000 You want to ask questions, you want to ask questions about evidence, ask questions about the FBI.

00:42:10.000 Fine, go ahead.

00:42:10.000 First Amendment right.

00:42:11.000 But there are people that are full-on Tyler Robin Simper who are just like, this guy didn't do it.

00:42:16.000 I don't believe the parents.

00:42:17.000 I don't believe any of it.

00:42:18.000 You know, he needs to get off.

00:42:19.000 We need to work to get him off.

00:42:20.000 That makes you a Robin Simper.

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00:43:33.000 And are you guys familiar with the term Pro-burgers? 0.63

00:43:37.000 Have you guys ever heard this?

00:43:38.000 PRO Burgers, PRO Burgers.

00:43:40.000 I only eat amateur burgers jack yeah, yeah.

00:43:43.000 So have you like?

00:43:44.000 Do you guys remember Brian Coberger as in, the murderer up in Idaho of those Sorari girls? 1.00

00:43:50.000 Oh oh, the guy who looks like uh, Richard Hinania, crossed with Josh Holly, and kind of looked a little bit like like Tyler Robinson, because y'all know who doesn't lie.

00:44:00.000 So the the pro burgers are a subset of the true crime community where they completely believe that Brian Coberger is innocent, that he was set up, that someone else did that, and they have formed it's kind of a mini cult.

00:44:16.000 They have this parasocial relationship with a variety of people who believe the pro burger cult and it's basically like a fandom cult of him.

00:44:26.000 They have shrines, they have song, they have like edits of Brian Coberger.

00:44:31.000 Obviously you see this a lot with Luigi Maggioni to a great extent um, and you see, you even see people taking trips to go and visit the places associated with Brian Coberger because they believed so strongly in his uh, in his innocence.

00:44:48.000 But it's beyond, it's so far beyond, just you know oh, I think this guy didn't do it.

00:44:54.000 It's literally become their identity because, I don't know, it's gotta be like you don't have meaning at home or you're disconnected and disassociated with life.

00:45:03.000 Um, it is female coded.

00:45:05.000 Sad to say, it's just true.

00:45:06.000 It's uh, it is very female coded where yeah, they will completely allow this to subsume their identity. 0.91

00:45:14.000 Well, what's funny is, I have to imagine really deep down, they would not want him to be innocent because clearly their actual thought is that he did do it.

00:45:23.000 They just this is weird to say they think it's hot.

00:45:25.000 I guess, like he's this dark killer person, like I don't think they would find this guy terribly interesting if he wasn't a murderer.

00:45:33.000 Hypristophilia what's that?

00:45:35.000 At one Hypothelia?

00:45:37.000 So hyprostophilia is a hybrid i'm sorry if my my audio is being um uh, messed up again.

00:45:44.000 So hybristophilia is a paraphilia.

00:45:46.000 It's a type of sexual attraction for people who commit serious crimes.

00:45:49.000 Uh, you saw this uh, with the, the Columbine shooters.

00:45:54.000 You see this with a variety of pillars.

00:45:56.000 You saw this with the Boston bombers Iltarzanayev, where people who are um, I believe it was um, oh gosh, there are certain Ted Bundy got married while he was still in jail and you know they.

00:46:08.000 They believe that they are super attracted sexually to bad boys criminals deviants, and they want those typical risky, you know risky relationships, and so they're attracted to criminals.

00:46:20.000 So yeah Ted Bundy, um i'm, it wouldn't surprise me if they were people who were attracted to Jeffrey Dahmer.

00:46:26.000 It's, it's absolutely a certain um paraphilia that's out there and it's this desire for intense, risky relationship.

00:46:33.000 Yeah, you mean, did Jeffrey Dahmer get letters in jail just saying like please eat me Jeffrey, please?

00:46:39.000 Yeah, and this is, this is why, you see, I mean a lot of the true crime documentaries.

00:46:42.000 It's kind of wild to me how many of these serial killers have so many lovers right that they're exchanging letters with um.

00:46:49.000 And it directly comes from, like you said that, that weird desire uh, to be with the bad boys.

00:46:54.000 If you will, you even get funnier version, funny subversions of that like um, didn't Martin Skrelli had that journalist fall in love with him while he was in jail?

00:47:04.000 And I think she did.

00:47:05.000 She leave her, she like left her boyfriend or even left her husband over it, and this was a purely non-physical relationship.

00:47:12.000 He was in prison the whole time and then he got out and I think they they quite promptly broke up once he was out of prison.

00:47:17.000 Weird, weird.

00:47:18.000 Oh yeah, so Martin Skrelli exactly, but Martin Skrelli did nothing wrong, so Jack's part of the cult.

00:47:24.000 I love it.

00:47:26.000 No, Martin Sprelly was not a murderer.

00:47:28.000 Martin Skrelly was a pharma bro.

00:47:30.000 Oh, okay.

00:47:30.000 Got it.

00:47:31.000 Got it.

00:47:31.000 Yeah, it's a little like his crime.

00:47:34.000 It felt odd.

00:47:34.000 I just felt like it wasn't spectacular enough to get a woman swooning for you over it.

00:47:39.000 But she was really into it.

00:47:41.000 And then he, man, I haven't heard about that guy since he kind of tried to get Baron Trump into that crypto thing.

00:47:47.000 But I guess that's getting a little off topic.

00:47:50.000 He's on Twitter.

00:47:51.000 I see him there every once in a while.

00:47:53.000 He does like spaces and stuff.

00:47:55.000 And guys, just do me a favor.

00:47:57.000 Throw that picture of Tyler Robinson up again from the court today.

00:48:01.000 Please do that.

00:48:02.000 Much of the depending on all of us.

00:48:03.000 Just do it.

00:48:05.000 Because there is something I want to say when we look at this picture.

00:48:09.000 This is not the behavior of a Patsy, guys.

00:48:13.000 This is not the behavior.

00:48:14.000 This is not the way it would look.

00:48:16.000 This is not the way that a person would comfort themselves if they were thinking, oh, I was set up.

00:48:21.000 Oh, I shouldn't be here.

00:48:23.000 Oh, you got to get me out.

00:48:24.000 I was falsely accused.

00:48:25.000 This guy doesn't look upset at all.

00:48:27.000 I didn't see in a single one of these images or videos, any image of him actually looking upset.

00:48:34.000 It's not there.

00:48:35.000 He's happy.

00:48:35.000 He's grinning.

00:48:36.000 He's smug.

00:48:37.000 He's smug about what he did.

00:48:39.000 And look, you know, say what you want about me.

00:48:41.000 I don't really care.

00:48:42.000 Honestly, I've never cared.

00:48:43.000 People call me all sorts of things.

00:48:45.000 But this guy's sitting there looking smug.

00:48:49.000 He's sitting there looking smug.

00:48:51.000 It's as simple as that.

00:48:52.000 The other thing that bothers me is the longer that this case goes, it's just going to continuously be more attention.

00:48:56.000 I mean, obviously, I want attention to honor Charlie, but it's just going to be more fodder for all the trolls, right?

00:49:02.000 Every time that this is live, every time it's out there, every time there's something new, and this grin, obviously, you know, the first time we're seeing him, it should make us all burn inside.

00:49:11.000 And I'm sure the people that, you know, praise him and the people that celebrated the death of Charlie, you know, they love seeing that, right?

00:49:17.000 This gives them something else to share, something else to celebrate.

00:49:20.000 And they're just pieces of garbage.

00:49:22.000 I'm going to continue to say that.

00:49:24.000 Absolute and utter pieces of garbage.

00:49:28.000 Plays you say you had something.

00:49:29.000 Yeah, well, we have a good message.

00:49:32.000 We have this one from Kyrie McAllen.

00:49:36.000 Another, I see her in the chat all the time.

00:49:38.000 Kyrie donated to 10 and says, please give us who love Charlie, his family, the Charlie Kirk show team, and all the teams of Turning Point some practical ways that we can share the arrows, as Ali Stuckey says, that are being directed at all of you.

00:49:57.000 You know, I think the best way is know the details of this case.

00:50:03.000 Read the indictment.

00:50:05.000 Charging documents are online.

00:50:07.000 The evidence against him is online.

00:50:08.000 And you can also go read, search a guy named Turkey Tom.

00:50:12.000 There's a video you can look up called, I believe it is The Man Who Killed Charlie Kirk.

00:50:17.000 Obviously, he's presumed innocent, but that is the title of the video.

00:50:21.000 Let me make sure I have that exactly right.

00:50:24.000 Okay, it is titled The Man Who Killed Charlie Kirk.

00:50:27.000 And there's also a, if you prefer reading, there's a substack post that you can find by the same person.

00:50:32.000 And what it gets into is it gets into the evidence about his personal life, his relationship with his boyfriend, the evidence, you know, that the stuff people have said is weird, such as him calling his boyfriend my love in their messages, the guy saying that is in fact how they talk to each other.

00:50:50.000 If you guys want to help share the arrows, learn those facts because the most common thing you see is you see the Robin simps, as they're calling them, who are going to just say, oh, he's a Patsy.

00:51:04.000 Oh, there's no evidence for this.

00:51:06.000 Oh, I think it's all fake.

00:51:08.000 In truth, I think they're saying this because this is a drawn-out process and not enough of it is on TV, basically, for them to feel like it's real.

00:51:18.000 But it is real.

00:51:19.000 The evidence in this case, we believe, is quite strong.

00:51:23.000 If we thought it was fake, if we thought they had the wrong guy, we would obviously be freaking out because we care deeply that the correct person be brought to justice for this.

00:51:34.000 So the best way you can share those arrows is know those facts.

00:51:37.000 So if it comes up in passing, you're able to say, oh man, did you hear about this?

00:51:43.000 Did you hear about the stuff that they were into?

00:51:45.000 Did you hear about this nesting?

00:51:47.000 Because it really is a bizarre case.

00:51:50.000 You could make a fascinating, there will be fascinating true crime documentaries about all of this one day because it is lurid.

00:51:58.000 It is incredibly upsetting to see the life, the lives that these people were leading and to think that this allowed a person to go and to just go and randomly strike down a person as great as Charlie.

00:52:12.000 So maybe you have your own thoughts, Cliff, but that's my thought on how to share the load.

00:52:16.000 Yeah, I mean, of course, referring to the public perception of what's happening in the trial, but I also want to say what would Charlie want us to do to share the arrows is to go do the work, right?

00:52:26.000 Obviously, I'm not always going to pitch that we got to be out chasing ballots, but I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't.

00:52:31.000 Get out there, you know, get involved.

00:52:33.000 Find a way to advance our cause when it comes to the political scene, when it comes to the ideology of trying to reach new people.

00:52:40.000 That's the way to share it, right?

00:52:41.000 I'm not saying you have to ignore the trial.

00:52:43.000 Obviously, we're all going to follow along.

00:52:44.000 We're rooting for justice for Charlie.

00:52:46.000 But at the same time, we have to double down.

00:52:49.000 We have to go out there.

00:52:50.000 Turning point has to survive.

00:52:52.000 Turning point has to thrive in terms of not just campus, but all the turning point action, all the efforts, the things that we're doing.

00:52:59.000 That's what this is all about.

00:53:00.000 And when I think about what Charlie would be telling me right now, it would be, yes, honor him, follow the trial.

00:53:07.000 But at the end of the day, we cannot get distracted.

00:53:11.000 And what I mean by that is not that we're going to not give him the homage that he deserves, but he would want us to do the work.

00:53:18.000 And so for all of you out there that have done certain things, whether it was 2024 or before, 2026 is coming up.

00:53:25.000 And that's a huge opportunity for us to get involved and to truly make a difference when it comes to figuring out ways to do the work as Charlie would want us to do.

00:53:35.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:53:36.000 Like in the end, a lot of the nastiest stuff that's said, it's said because it wants to hurt the mission.

00:53:44.000 It's people on the left who promoted, oh, actually a MAGA guy did this.

00:53:48.000 They say that for ideologically motivated reasons.

00:53:51.000 And people from other aspects do it.

00:53:53.000 They want to, ultimately, for whatever thing is going through their head, they want to tear down the things that Charlie fought for, the things that Charlie died for.

00:54:04.000 And so along with what I suggested, Cliff is absolutely right.

00:54:07.000 Do the work.

00:54:08.000 You want to be engaged.

00:54:08.000 If you're in Indiana, we've been talking about that.

00:54:11.000 They just had that vote on their redistricting map and it failed.

00:54:14.000 It failed not because of Democrats.

00:54:16.000 It failed because of Republicans.

00:54:18.000 And so we've been saying Turning Point Action will be taking action on that.

00:54:21.000 If you're in that state, that is an easy way to get involved with something right now that is relevant.

00:54:26.000 But I know other people are saying they want to find out other facts.

00:54:30.000 Some people mentioned Paramount Tactical.

00:54:32.000 I was just looking at their videos the other day.

00:54:34.000 They have great videos just talking about the details of the case, how we can know what happened or why some things people are saying about the bullet, for example.

00:54:43.000 There's been a lot of claims.

00:54:44.000 Oh, this bullet could not possibly have been what killed Charlie.

00:54:48.000 And there's some great Paramount Tacticals one.

00:54:50.000 There's other gun experts who've dived into that.

00:54:52.000 And believe me, you'll hear from more.

00:54:54.000 You'll hear more from us on that in just a matter of a few days.

00:54:58.000 But we have, I think, one more message here, and then we'll close it out because we have this hard out here.

00:55:05.000 EB Dim the 9th.

00:55:08.000 Ebdim the 9th.

00:55:09.000 I'll go with that.

00:55:10.000 Ebdim the 9th.

00:55:11.000 Be blessed in the Lord, brother Blake and crew.

00:55:15.000 Thank you so much for that.

00:55:17.000 Thank you to everyone who tuned in for this.

00:55:19.000 And we'll see you next week.

00:55:22.000 AmFest, I believe we're doing thought crime on stage at AmFest next week.

00:55:27.000 We encourage you to tune into that and tune in to every other part of Amfest.

00:55:31.000 Until then, and until always, keep committing thought crime.

The Charlie Kirk Show - December 13, 2025

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 109 — Tyler Robinson In Court

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