The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 11 — LIVE Reaction to the GOP Debate & the Tucker-Trump Interview

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, happy Saturday.

00:00:02.000 Rather long episode of Thought Crimes because we dissect the Republican debate in real time.

00:00:07.000 Jack Posobiec, Blake Neff, Tyler Boyer, Andrew Colvett, and I come in to this episode.

00:00:11.000 And then we have some reaction to the GOP debate in real time.

00:00:15.000 As always, you can email us freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:00:18.000 And before we go any further, do us a favor and download the Rumble app, r-u-m-b-le-e.com.

00:00:24.000 That is the Rumble app.

00:00:25.000 Check it out today, rumble.com.

00:00:28.000 Check it out today.

00:00:29.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:00:30.000 Here we go.

00:00:31.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:33.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:00:35.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:39.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:42.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:43.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:44.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:00:46.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.

00:00:51.000 Turning point USA. 0.65

00:00:52.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:01.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:04.000 All right, Jack Posobiec here.

00:01:06.000 We're live for a special live impromptu session of thought crime.

00:01:12.000 We are here.

00:01:12.000 It is debate night.

00:01:14.000 Now, normally we do these on Thursdays.

00:01:16.000 This week, we are doing it on Wednesday.

00:01:20.000 So right now we're in the pre-debate setup, but I want to also let you know that we've got a bunch of the gang.

00:01:27.000 Everyone is here.

00:01:28.000 So let's go back over to Phoenix.

00:01:30.000 Who we got there in the hot seat?

00:01:32.000 Andrew Colvett.

00:01:36.000 Andrew's in.

00:01:37.000 I'm in.

00:01:38.000 Blake, I'm in sunny South Dakota, where it feels like it's Phoenix because it was 106 degrees today.

00:01:44.000 But I guess that's either of you guys are actually in Phoenix then, huh?

00:01:50.000 Nope, nope.

00:01:51.000 We're waiting on Charlie to show up.

00:01:53.000 I believe he's.

00:01:55.000 I can't remember where he's at right now, but he'll be in time for the debate, I think.

00:01:59.000 He's coming.

00:01:59.000 I think he's coming.

00:02:01.000 He's got like a, I think he's doing family dinner for a little bit, but then he'll be here in a minute.

00:02:04.000 No, Charlie will be around.

00:02:06.000 We've got producer Andrew as well.

00:02:08.000 Yes, sir.

00:02:09.000 Here I am in the West Coast, holding down on the West Coast.

00:02:13.000 Can you guys see me, hear me?

00:02:15.000 Ah, there I am.

00:02:15.000 Yeah, yeah, now I got you.

00:02:18.000 Oh, the West Coast.

00:02:19.000 You guys get rain or what?

00:02:20.000 Did you get hit with that with Hurricane Hillary?

00:02:23.000 It was just a great little drink for the plants, Jack.

00:02:25.000 It was fine.

00:02:26.000 Much ado about nothing.

00:02:28.000 It reminded me when I went to Israel and they told me I was going to get blown up by a terrorist bomb or something, and everybody was living happily as could be, and things were fine.

00:02:37.000 So, anyways, and then did you, I don't know if you saw this, Jack, but all those images of Dodger Stadium, that was totally, they have almost like a reflective concrete top.

00:02:47.000 So it looked like it was flooding, but Dodger Stadium is completely fine in Los Angeles.

00:02:52.000 So unfortunately, God will smite them eventually.

00:02:56.000 Yeah, no, it's good.

00:02:59.000 Jack, we got a lot to unpack tonight, but you made a special request in the group chat, and I think it's a good one.

00:03:06.000 You're going to give us an update on what's going on in Russia before we get into all of the debate night stuff.

00:03:12.000 So as people file in, as the stream builds, tell us about that.

00:03:18.000 Right.

00:03:18.000 So we got news, and this was just as I was going to air with Human Events at the 2 p.m. Eastern show today, that essentially there was an assassination, it seems like an assassination of Pregozhin, the head,

00:03:34.000 or former head, I should say, of the Wagner group, this mercenary group that had been involved in years of operations with the Russian military or alongside the Russian military in Syria, in parts of Africa, and then most recently in Ukraine.

00:03:49.000 I think most famously, they were involved in the taking of Bakhmut, the city which ended up being a strategic choke point for a lot of the Ukrainian forces.

00:04:00.000 So they were fighting out that battle while Russia was building their defensive lines and counter defenses throughout the entire area that the entire area that they were able to control since the invasion of Ukraine last year.

00:04:15.000 So Progojin led this activity, right?

00:04:20.000 This about two months ago today.

00:04:23.000 Some people said it was a coup.

00:04:24.000 Some people said it was a fake coup.

00:04:26.000 Some people said it was a mutiny.

00:04:27.000 It was hard to say outside exactly what was going on whether or not it was real because he sends these tanks up through these main highways, main thoroughfares of Russia, and then eventually says that he's going to not take out Putin, but he's targeting some members of the Russian high command, the Kremlin high military command, Sergei Shoigu, the head of their government, or head of their military, rather.

00:04:52.000 And so all of a sudden, Putin says, okay, turn back and no harm will come to you.

00:04:59.000 Charges will be dropped.

00:05:00.000 We're going to send you off to Belarus. 1.00

00:05:02.000 We'll send you off to Africa. 1.00

00:05:03.000 You'll do other things, but all will be forgiven.

00:05:06.000 All will be forgotten.

00:05:07.000 Or so it seemed until about 2 p.m. today when his aircraft was shot out of the sky outside of Moscow.

00:05:17.000 And pretty much every source has come out now, Russian, Ukrainian, Western, all saying that it looks like this was shot down by an anti-aircraft missile.

00:05:25.000 And so it seems as though we got our answer as to whether or not the coup was real or not.

00:05:31.000 Hey, Tyler Boyer joins us.

00:05:33.000 Tyler, give us an update.

00:05:34.000 You're in Wisconsin.

00:05:39.000 How are we doing, Jack?

00:05:41.000 Things are looking ugly in Russia, huh?

00:05:49.000 We should just see the whole thing just really confusing everybody.

00:05:52.000 Do this whole thing in like Russian, broken Russian. 0.52

00:06:09.000 You're not at the debate.

00:06:10.000 Why don't you fill in the audience here for us?

00:06:13.000 Everybody's chopping up here on me, but hopefully you can hear me.

00:06:17.000 Yeah, I'm here actually in Milwaukee.

00:06:20.000 I tweeted out a few weeks ago that even though I'm on the RNC, I'm boycotting the debate because I don't think that any real conservatives should go support Fox News.

00:06:32.000 So I am in my hotel room hanging out with you guys on live stream here tonight while everybody's down watching the vice presidential debate at Pfizer Forum that's just a couple blocks away over here.

00:06:44.000 But I'm here in Milwaukee for RNC meetings that are in conjunction with the debate that's happening.

00:06:51.000 And yeah, it's just been really interesting.

00:06:53.000 It's been really funny to see everything kind of playing out here while we've been in Milwaukee for the last couple days.

00:07:00.000 You know, I think that it's just like it's such a clear and away situation now where everybody's just like understood that this debate and everything moving forward is really for the second spot.

00:07:12.000 And so it's going to be really interesting to see how the reaction is because I got a couple of things that I think are going to happen.

00:07:20.000 Blake's probably going to disagree with it, but we'll go and we'll see how that works.

00:07:25.000 So I don't know when we want to jump into it.

00:07:29.000 Well, then we've also got to talk about the fact that we have Tucker and Trump, which is going to be launching in about 15 minutes here.

00:07:36.000 So we're going to have to see if we can get some of that before the debate starts to see whether or not we can get some clips, have some salient moments here.

00:07:44.000 Because, of course, he's asked about his decision, and Tucker released a little trailer of it earlier, just a one-minute clip.

00:07:50.000 So, this was recorded several days ago at Bedminster, and there was that moment where I think one of the staffers posted a selfie with Tucker, and then she had to delete it.

00:07:59.000 But people kind of, you know, the cat was sort of out of the bag at that point that Tucker had been up at Bedminster to record this interview.

00:08:04.000 It looks like Trump was asked why he didn't decide to go to the debate.

00:08:08.000 And of course, we already knew that the charges were imminent.

00:08:11.000 I don't know if they knew that the arraignment would actually be happening tomorrow, so that one day after the debate.

00:08:18.000 But now, of course, we do know that.

00:08:20.000 And that really is going to be the big elephant in the room tonight.

00:08:23.000 You know, these candidates are going to be on stage in an eight-pack of these guys and gals who are going to be trying to have their breakout moment.

00:08:31.000 Well, at the same time, they know the frontrunner of the entire thing is being indicted by a local prosecutor tomorrow morning or tomorrow afternoon.

00:08:40.000 Guys, this is just a reminder for everybody that's just joining too.

00:08:43.000 Charlie's going to be joining us here live in just a little bit.

00:08:47.000 So we're excited for what's coming up.

00:08:52.000 Well, Tyler, you're there.

00:08:54.000 You were going around today a little bit.

00:08:56.000 Can you give us some color?

00:08:57.000 What was it like on the ground?

00:08:58.000 What was the mood?

00:08:58.000 What was the sense you were getting down in Milwaukee?

00:09:01.000 Let's get a little report from on the ground.

00:09:05.000 So the RC is meeting today.

00:09:07.000 It was a little crazy.

00:09:09.000 These things are always crazy, but they're doing the debate over at the Five Syrup Forum, which is where the Milwaukee Bucks play.

00:09:16.000 So everybody's kind of shuttling over there.

00:09:18.000 They went over there about 5, 5:30 is when most everybody went over.

00:09:22.000 And so they've just been kind of chilling and camping out.

00:09:24.000 But I've been really surprised.

00:09:25.000 There's really not that many members of the media that are here.

00:09:29.000 So I know they were all getting set up probably over at the forum, but I was expecting a whole lot more to be wandering around.

00:09:36.000 It's going to be really interesting to see what happens tomorrow.

00:09:39.000 I actually think tomorrow is going to be the most interesting day here in Milwaukee because everybody that's hanging out and hanging over are going to, all the media, everyone else are going to be wanting to get reactions.

00:09:51.000 And again, like I said, I'm ditching the debate.

00:09:53.000 We're watching it here together and commenting on it. 1.00

00:09:57.000 But, you know, I just think that this whole thing's stupid. 0.99

00:09:59.000 I mean, there's, you know, I'll just give you my take. 0.99

00:10:02.000 And I've tweeted this out quite a bit and talked about this.

00:10:05.000 I think the RC completely screwed this up.

00:10:08.000 There's two reasons for that.

00:10:09.000 One is nobody likes Fox News.

00:10:12.000 Everybody hates Fox News.

00:10:14.000 What they did to Tucker was disgusting.

00:10:15.000 They tried to silence Tucker Carlson.

00:10:18.000 And so I'm so happy to see Tucker just like sticking it to Fox tonight with Trump.

00:10:22.000 Like that's an incredible thing that they're doing.

00:10:25.000 And good for Trump for not just going along with the corporate Fox media that really hates us all.

00:10:34.000 I think that's a big deal.

00:10:36.000 The second thing, though, is this is most people don't realize this, but the sponsor, the key sponsor of this debate outside of Rumble is an organization called Young America's Foundation.

00:10:47.000 And the Young Americas Foundation was the original youth organization that kind of came about in a big way during the Reagan years.

00:10:56.000 Before that, it was really got founded in the 60s, but then took on new legs in the 80s and beyond that in the 90s.

00:11:04.000 They really dropped the ball and just became this kind of just like, you know, for all our listeners, all our viewers, to give somebody context, they became like kind of this neocon light type organization.

00:11:16.000 Anyways, long story short, they're a 501c3.

00:11:19.000 They're a nonprofit, and they're sponsoring this Republican debate, which is totally crazy to me.

00:11:24.000 But Mike Pence, after he came out of being vice president, basically went to work for them full-time.

00:11:30.000 He became a fellow of Young America's Foundation of YAF, and he was getting paid to be a fellow and speaking and doing all this stuff.

00:11:39.000 So I think it's absolutely insane.

00:11:41.000 You know, it doesn't matter that it's you know, Young Americans Foundation and they hate us because they're a bunch of neocons and they're mad that you know Turning Point got bigger than them and everything else.

00:11:50.000 That's not the point.

00:11:51.000 The point is, is that any organization that's paid one of the presidential candidates that's going to be on the stage, you know, shouldn't be shouldn't be one of the sponsors.

00:11:59.000 So, between that and Fox News being sponsors, I think it's totally insane that everyone just should just be cool with that because it's not cool.

00:12:09.000 And that's part of the reason why I'm not there.

00:12:12.000 And Tyler, so I do want everyone to know that we are going to be posting.

00:12:16.000 We're going to, you know, if the technical side of this works out for us, we are 15 minutes out, but we are actually going to be streaming the debate here.

00:12:24.000 And this is because Rumble also has the digital rights to this stream.

00:12:28.000 Now, we know that Fox News and this has been widely reported at this point, is making some claims that you could only show up to three minutes of the debate if you're on another stream, that only certain portions will be allowed, or three minutes, two times.

00:12:44.000 Yeah, that's ridiculous.

00:12:46.000 We have a thing in this country called the First Amendment. 0.84

00:12:47.000 We have a thing in this country called fair use.

00:12:49.000 We have a doctrine that is fair use for user reporting and commentary.

00:12:54.000 That's obviously what this is.

00:12:56.000 And when it comes down to it, I don't think there's anything more newsworthy than a debate for the Office of the Presidency of the United States.

00:13:03.000 These are long-standing, long-standing and well-known standards within the United States system, and we intend to uphold them.

00:13:12.000 Amen.

00:13:14.000 Yeah.

00:13:15.000 So, Tyler, walk me through something here for a second because you said the Young Americans Foundation is hosting the debate, but that's a 501c3, and this is a partisan event.

00:13:28.000 So, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that's something you're allowed to do.

00:13:33.000 You guys, everybody has to understand the background in this thing.

00:13:36.000 So, part of the reason why the Republican Party sucks so bad is that you got all of these beltway organizations that have existed forever that basically do a whole lot of nothing, right? 0.60

00:13:48.000 They've just taken, yeah, you want to talk about organizations that are grifty and grifters. 0.92

00:13:54.000 Like, basically, this entire sentiment of grifting comes from consultants that are in DC that live in Washington, D.C.

00:14:03.000 And what they do is they basically take a buck that gets donated by a donor and they pass it around eight times until everybody takes a cut.

00:14:12.000 And then, what's left is just a small percentage.

00:14:15.000 And this is what's totally insane.

00:14:17.000 This is, and this is actually something that Charlie and I talk about all the time.

00:14:21.000 And we try to avoid, you know, with Turning Point and everything that we do is you can't have all these consultants involved in your business.

00:14:30.000 You gotta, you gotta, every donor dollar that comes in has to go directly back to the people.

00:14:35.000 And that's what we've done, I think, so effectively at Turning Point and Turning Point Action, Turning Point USA, and Turning Point Action is every dollar that comes in, we put directly back into programming.

00:14:45.000 Well, you know, we actually have bodies out there.

00:14:48.000 We've got the largest field staff, we've got hundreds of people all across the country.

00:14:53.000 And so it's really frustrating when you see organizations like Young America's Foundation who basically did nothing.

00:14:59.000 They're known because they bought the Reagan ranch and they've been operating that for years.

00:15:02.000 And that's a God bless them for that.

00:15:04.000 That's a great thing.

00:15:06.000 But, you know, they were supposed to be the vanguard for years of the youth movement with conservatives.

00:15:11.000 And I'll tell you, when I was in college, which was about a decade ago, a little over a decade ago, I couldn't get in touch with these people.

00:15:20.000 I couldn't get help.

00:15:21.000 I couldn't get support.

00:15:23.000 And allegedly, they were telling donors that they were the preeminent force that was helping college kids and young conservatives get on their feet.

00:15:30.000 And you fast forward to today.

00:15:34.000 So the guy that used to run it, he got kicked out and they put it, Scott, they installed Scott Walker.

00:15:39.000 But we love Scott when he was a governor, and we worked with his family pretty closely on a number of different things years ago.

00:15:45.000 But, you know, he's kind of become this squishy guy who hangs out with Doug Ducey and Mike Pence.

00:15:51.000 And, you know, and he took this job, this gig at Young America's Foundation, where he's getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to virtually do very little.

00:16:00.000 And they decided, hey, this is our comeback moment.

00:16:03.000 We got to sponsor the debate.

00:16:04.000 Well, there's only one problem with this, guys.

00:16:07.000 A 501c3, a nonprofit, can't do partisan activities.

00:16:13.000 And in fact, this is like a really great spotlight on the great work that Charlie's done that we have done at Turning Point.

00:16:19.000 Andrew knows all about this because we spend all of our time worrying about this.

00:16:23.000 We don't do anything partisan on our C3 side.

00:16:26.000 We do nothing.

00:16:27.000 We don't even have candidates running for office for president speak as a C3 at the C3.

00:16:36.000 And so it's mind-boggling that Young America's Foundation is sponsoring a partisan debate because they're probably going to get busted by the IRS significantly. 0.93

00:16:46.000 This is like a really dumb thing to do. 0.84

00:16:49.000 And I'll tell you why it's frustrating. 0.98

00:16:50.000 Because, again, if I was just a nasty person and I hated yaff and I was like, oh, those neocons good, you know, stick it to them.

00:16:58.000 I would say that.

00:16:59.000 But the thing that's just frustrating.

00:17:01.000 By the way, I'm all for bullying neocons.

00:17:04.000 We should be bullying neocons as much as possible and as often as possible.

00:17:09.000 Yeah, but here's the deal. 0.98

00:17:11.000 They're making the entire conservative movement look bad because we all look stupid when organizations that are C3s make glaring mistakes like this. 1.00

00:17:21.000 And trust me, they're going to get hit. 0.91

00:17:23.000 The guys at the IRS, there's like a bunch of people that the IRS are ready to smack back on this thing because they sponsor this debate. 1.00

00:17:33.000 It is just so stupid. 0.96

00:17:34.000 And so, anyways, that's a little bit of like the background of what's going on here. 0.99

00:17:37.000 So I'm looking around.

00:17:38.000 I'm seeing this.

00:17:39.000 Like, there's C3 sponsor stuff on partisan debate.

00:17:45.000 Like we would, at turning point, we would never do anything like that.

00:17:48.000 At turning point, USA, we would never do anything like that.

00:17:51.000 And it's just so funny to me that's like they're probably going to end up getting majorly for this.

00:17:58.000 Yeah.

00:18:00.000 It's not even that they're paying one of the guys.

00:18:02.000 Like it would be one thing if you're paying Doug, right?

00:18:04.000 Doug Bergum, but like nobody cares about.

00:18:08.000 They literally pay Mike Pence, who's like the most detestable character in the conservative movement right now.

00:18:14.000 Again, you guys realize this the sponsor of the debate tonight on Fox pays Mike Pence.

00:18:22.000 How is that fair?

00:18:24.000 How is there any way that that's fair to all these other candidates?

00:18:27.000 I mean, they probably bet the questions through Mike Pence.

00:18:32.000 I wouldn't be, I would have doubted that.

00:18:34.000 But I do.

00:18:35.000 Yeah, we can, but I know we only have a couple of minutes left until the debate starts.

00:18:39.000 And I wanted to get this clip in of Trump and Tucker that we promised everybody.

00:18:43.000 That in because, guys, this is a huge moment, a huge moment for everybody.

00:18:48.000 It's clip 90, a huge moment for the country.

00:18:51.000 We've got the two, the best moderator in the country and the frontrunner for the primary who won't even be there.

00:18:58.000 Let's play that now, Clip 90.

00:18:59.000 Why aren't you at the Fox News debate tonight in Milwaukee?

00:19:02.000 Well, you know, a lot of people have been asking me that.

00:19:04.000 When you say there are people on stage who shouldn't be running for president, who do you mean?

00:19:08.000 Whatever happened to Mike Pence?

00:19:09.000 He's out there attacking you.

00:19:11.000 What is that?

00:19:11.000 Do you think Epstein killed himself sincerely?

00:19:14.000 Do you think we're moving towards civil war?

00:19:18.000 It's good to have you at Bedminster.

00:19:19.000 It's very nice.

00:19:20.000 I love it.

00:19:21.000 You're saying they stole it from you last time.

00:19:22.000 Why wouldn't they do the same this time?

00:19:23.000 Oh, well, they're trying.

00:19:24.000 They're going to be tried.

00:19:25.000 Mitch McConnell is trying to get senators to impeach me.

00:19:29.000 Crooked Joe Biden is so bad. 0.70

00:19:31.000 He's the worst president in the history of our country. 0.68

00:19:34.000 I don't think he's going to make it to the gate, but you know, you never know.

00:19:37.000 It started with protests against you, then it moved to impeachment twice, and now indictment.

00:19:42.000 Are you worried that they're going to try and kill you? 0.96

00:19:44.000 Why wouldn't they try and kill you? 0.99

00:19:45.000 Honestly. 1.00

00:19:46.000 They're savage animals. 1.00

00:19:48.000 They are people that are sick. 0.98

00:19:50.000 So do you think it's possible that there's open conflict? 0.98

00:19:53.000 I can say this.

00:19:54.000 There's a level of passion that I've never seen.

00:19:56.000 There's a level of hatred that I've never seen.

00:19:58.000 And that's probably a bad combination.

00:20:02.000 We're doing this interview, but we'll get bigger ratings using this crazy forum that you're using than probably the debate.

00:20:12.000 Wow.

00:20:14.000 So there's a lot there.

00:20:15.000 Obviously, the silver Civil War comments are going to get a lot of play.

00:20:21.000 I really want to hear what Trump's full answer is.

00:20:23.000 But can we just talk about how absolutely clean Tucker's logo looks?

00:20:27.000 Andrew, you've seen this?

00:20:29.000 Tucker on X. Tucker on X, but it's just like a slug that he's on.

00:20:34.000 He's taking X and it's making him new vengeance, Tucker.

00:20:39.000 He's got nothing but vengeance.

00:20:41.000 Tucker asked the questions that we all secretly text about in our chats, right?

00:20:46.000 Like all these chats we're a part of.

00:20:48.000 He's not secret anymore.

00:20:51.000 We asked the question openly.

00:20:52.000 Do you think Trump's going to get assassinated?

00:20:55.000 He asked it.

00:20:56.000 I mean, we talk about that kind of stuff because we're watching this region.

00:21:01.000 There's a lot of conflict in America.

00:21:03.000 There's a lot of conflict in America.

00:21:05.000 Do you think it's time for civil war now, Trump?

00:21:08.000 I mean, it's a big question.

00:21:10.000 I mean, obviously, we advocate for peace.

00:21:14.000 We advocate for peace.

00:21:15.000 We advocate for keeping the nation together.

00:21:16.000 We don't want to lose this beautiful thing.

00:21:19.000 We're not on team like rebel, right?

00:21:22.000 We're not trying to take up arms.

00:21:24.000 At the end of the day, it's a question that's out there.

00:21:27.000 Civil war?

00:21:28.000 Are we at a national divorce?

00:21:30.000 And I just, I mean, hats off to Tucker for going straight at it, which a lot of the polls would lead you to believe, the number one candidate for president in the country right now who's under indictment four different times, two at the state level, two at the federal level.

00:21:43.000 You know, bravo.

00:21:44.000 I can't wait.

00:21:46.000 By the way, everybody watching on the live stream, we are going to be clipping Tucker live.

00:21:51.000 We're going to pull out all the best parts, throw it up here.

00:21:53.000 We're going to react to it in the middle of the debate.

00:21:56.000 You're going to be able to watch the debate, and we're going to take some of the clips when they're right and throw them up.

00:22:02.000 We'll put the videos up anytime Asa Hutchinson is talking because we're going to do what we can.

00:22:10.000 You know, it's double duty, right?

00:22:12.000 So we're going to do what we can, folks.

00:22:16.000 So I guess I feel bad.

00:22:17.000 We've basically been prepping for half an hour and we haven't actually said anything about the debate itself.

00:22:21.000 Do we have anyone we think is going to surprise during the debate itself?

00:22:25.000 Like, is it just, is it going to be DeSantis versus Vivek?

00:22:28.000 And do we have a favorite of those two?

00:22:30.000 And why wouldn't it be Vivek?

00:22:32.000 Here's what's going to happen.

00:22:34.000 Here's what's going to happen in the debate.

00:22:37.000 Ron DeSantis is not a good debate guy.

00:22:40.000 He's not a good debater.

00:22:41.000 I hate that word, debater.

00:22:43.000 Not a great debater.

00:22:45.000 And he is absolutely going to crumble with everybody focusing on him.

00:22:50.000 Vivek is, I mean, we've seen him. 0.86

00:22:53.000 He's like a freaking genius when he speaks.

00:22:55.000 And so he's going to be able to work himself out of this whole thing the entire time.

00:23:00.000 So I think Vivek is naturally going to be the person because he's impossible to attack.

00:23:05.000 And he's already the insurgent candidate.

00:23:09.000 DeSantis is already flailing.

00:23:11.000 He can't debate.

00:23:12.000 And then Chris Christie's going to absorb. 0.82

00:23:14.000 He's going to suck up all the air in the room. 0.94

00:23:16.000 He's going to inject himself all night long.

00:23:19.000 And I don't know if you guys remember this eight years ago when some of the people that were on the stage would just like inject themselves and be like, oh, let me talk.

00:23:27.000 Like John Kasich and stuff.

00:23:29.000 They would just start doing that. 1.00

00:23:30.000 Chris Christie's probably going to do that.

00:23:32.000 So he's just going to become detestable.

00:23:34.000 Like he's already detestable.

00:23:35.000 Like as, you know, as he is, you know, he's like the guy at the front of the line in Duck and Donuts that's like buying four boxes of donuts and he's taking forever ordering each one.

00:23:45.000 So like he's going to be hated by everybody by the end of this thing.

00:23:50.000 That's my, that's my guess.

00:23:52.000 Christie's only purpose for being at this debate was to be like the one guy who just really energetically attacked Trump and Trump's not there.

00:24:00.000 So what's he going to do now?

00:24:03.000 Well, I think, I think what I haven't heard from anyone on the DeSantis side is that nobody's really taken a direct target on DeSantis ever in person.

00:24:15.000 You've seen, by the way, sometimes people in the audience will get up and ask him hard questions.

00:24:20.000 And he kind of has a tendency to snap.

00:24:23.000 He has a tendency to be very snippy.

00:24:27.000 I think he's thin-skinned.

00:24:28.000 I'm just going to say it.

00:24:29.000 I think he's thin-skinned.

00:24:31.000 And I think you have a real possibility that if Vivek is just going at him, you're going to have a potential situation like, do you remember when Tulsi Gabbard absolutely brutalized Kamala Harris at, I think it was, you know, I don't know if it was the first debate or second debate, whatever, but she just went in and like kamikazed herself to blow up Harris completely.

00:24:53.000 You could see DeSantis have a situation like that, either with Vivek being the one to just lay him out or potentially DeSantis imploding because of his own personality quirks.

00:25:05.000 And that's something that I haven't heard anyone on their side even discuss whatsoever, even in these leaked memos.

00:25:12.000 So what do you guys think?

00:25:14.000 Hey, Jack, yeah, yeah, gotcha.

00:25:17.000 What do we have a little bit of time?

00:25:18.000 So I got a call from, and by the way, the debate's about to start and we have our first Tucker clip coming.

00:25:24.000 So just bear with us on that.

00:25:25.000 This is a live show, live stream.

00:25:28.000 So bear with us on some of this.

00:25:30.000 So here, I got a call from a reporter the other day.

00:25:33.000 For those in the audience who don't know, part of my job is dealing with the media, dealing with the press.

00:25:40.000 They asked me, what does success look like for those on stage?

00:25:44.000 And my answer was simple.

00:25:45.000 Remain viable in 2028.

00:25:48.000 That's what success looks like.

00:25:50.000 Here we go.

00:25:51.000 We're just getting started.

00:25:52.000 Apparently it's Black Rifle Coffee Company is in the corner.

00:25:56.000 That's interesting.

00:25:58.000 Guys, can we actually up the sound so that the audience can hear?

00:26:03.000 There we go.

00:26:04.000 The battle as they battle for the GOP nomination.

00:26:07.000 Good evening, everybody.

00:26:08.000 I'm Martha McCallum.

00:26:10.000 And I'm Rhett Baer.

00:26:11.000 This is the very same stage on which the Republican choice for president will accept the party's nomination next summer.

00:26:18.000 The eight contenders are positioned by the order they sit in the polls, with the highest polling candidates in the middle standing center stage.

00:26:27.000 Florida Governor Ron DeSantis.

00:26:33.000 Next entrepreneur, Live Promising.

00:26:37.000 Yep, and thank Former Vice President Mike Pence.

00:26:42.000 Former South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley.

00:26:46.000 Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie.

00:26:50.000 South Carolina.

00:26:54.000 Former Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson.

00:26:57.000 And North Dakota Governor Dunbergo.

00:27:05.000 Some ground rules for tonight.

00:27:07.000 We'll ask the questions and then candidates get one minute to answer.

00:27:11.000 If someone is singled out, you get 30 seconds to respond.

00:27:16.000 And when the time runs out, we all will hear this.

00:27:21.000 Very pleasant.

00:27:23.000 So tonight these candidates have a big opportunity to break out of the pack and to explain why they are best prepared to be the Republican choice for president at a time when the likely Democrat nominee, President Joe Biden, is working to convince the country that with Bidenomics, things are looking up.

00:27:43.000 They call my plan Bidenomics.

00:27:46.000 I'm not sure they meant it totally complimentary way at the time.

00:27:50.000 But guess what?

00:27:51.000 It's working.

00:27:54.000 But is it?

00:27:57.000 More than 65% of Americans say the country is headed in the wrong direction.

00:28:01.000 And here's the reality for some voters we talked to here in Wisconsin this week.

00:28:07.000 We have noticed a dramatic increase in prices at the grocery store just across the board.

00:28:11.000 Yes, it's high.

00:28:13.000 And food is high.

00:28:14.000 A lot of people got here home because they can't buy food.

00:28:18.000 It's tough when you got mortgage rates at 78% versus two to three.

00:28:21.000 It's just you can't afford a house anymore. 0.54

00:28:24.000 Inflation is ridiculous.

00:28:26.000 It's killing us out here.

00:28:29.000 We sit here tonight.

00:28:30.000 The number one song on the Billboard chart is called Rich Men North of Richmond.

00:28:37.000 It is by a singer from Farnville, Virginia named Oliver Anthony.

00:28:42.000 His lyrics speak of alienation, of deep frustration with the state of government and of this country.

00:28:50.000 Washington, D.C. is about 100 miles north of Richmond.

00:28:56.000 These rich men north of Richmond, Lord knows they all just want to have total control.

00:29:03.000 Want to know what you think?

00:29:05.000 Want to know what you do?

00:29:07.000 And they don't think you know. 1.00

00:29:09.000 But I know that you do is your dollar hate shit. 1.00

00:29:13.000 And it's taxed to no pen. 1.00

00:29:15.000 Cause the rich men, they're rich men.

00:29:21.000 So Governor DeSantis, why is this song striking such a nerve in this country right now?

00:29:28.000 What do you think it means?

00:29:31.000 Our country is in decline.

00:29:33.000 This decline is not inevitable.

00:29:35.000 It's a choice.

00:29:36.000 We need to send Joe Biden back to his basement and reverse American decline.

00:29:44.000 And it starts with understanding we must reverse Bidenomics so that middle-class families have a chance to succeed again.

00:29:51.000 We cannot succeed as a country if you are working hard and you can't afford groceries, a car, or a new home, while Hunter Biden can make hundreds of thousands of dollars on lousy paintings.

00:30:03.000 That is wrong.

00:30:06.000 We also cannot succeed when the Congress spends trillions and trillions of dollars.

00:30:11.000 Those rich men north of Richmond have put us in this situation.

00:30:15.000 And finally, we need to lower your gas prices.

00:30:18.000 We're going to open up all energy production.

00:30:21.000 We will be energy dominant again in this country.

00:30:25.000 I showed it could be done in the state of Florida.

00:30:28.000 I pledge to you as your president, we will get the job done and I will not let you down.

00:30:37.000 Thank you.

00:30:39.000 Governor Christie, do you agree with Governor DeSantis just said there?

00:30:42.000 And why would you be better on the economy than him?

00:30:46.000 Well, look, I do agree predominantly with what Governor DeSantis just laid out.

00:30:50.000 I think that if you asked every one of us up here, that we would agree predominantly with what he just laid out.

00:30:55.000 Here's the difference.

00:30:57.000 The difference is that we're going to have to work and make sure that we sell these ideas and we able to be able to put ourselves in a position where we get a majority of the vote, not only by winning the Congress and the Senate in 24, but also by having someone who's had the experience of doing it.

00:31:16.000 Now, I was elected as a conservative Republican in a blue state with 61% of the vote with a Democratic Program.

00:31:24.000 What was your approval when you left?

00:31:26.000 And we still, through hard, strong decision-making, brought them around.

00:31:34.000 We cut taxes in New Jersey.

00:31:36.000 We cut debt in New Jersey.

00:31:38.000 We made sure that each and every time we were confronted with bad Democratic ideas, we stood and stopped them.

00:31:44.000 And when there were good ideas, we brought people together to make progress going forward.

00:31:49.000 Truth and accountability are the things we need to do to fight waste.

00:31:53.000 And I'd say the last thing is this, Brad.

00:31:55.000 We cannot sit by any longer and allow the kind of spending that's going on in Washington because every dollar they spend is a dollar that these people are not allowed to spend on their children and their grandchildren.

00:32:07.000 It's robbing our country and it's wrong.

00:32:09.000 Well, Governor, let me just follow up very quickly.

00:32:11.000 New Jersey, when you were governor, had the second lowest credit rating in the nation after Illinois, and it was downgraded 11 times.

00:32:19.000 Yep.

00:32:19.000 Yeah.

00:32:20.000 And that's what happens when you inherit a blue state that has done that.

00:32:24.000 But when you look at what we did on debt, Brett, in that state, we cut debt in that state, debt that had been left to us by three Democratic gubernatorial predecessors of mine who ran up that debt tremendously.

00:32:37.000 And what you also saw us do was to cut the unemployment rate in half.

00:32:41.000 It was over 10% when I became governor in 2010.

00:32:45.000 What we also did was cut pension payments to public employees to make sure that taxpayers were not being soaked by a public employee union system that was killing the taxpayer.

00:32:58.000 Thank you, Governor.

00:32:59.000 Governor Scott, I mean, Tim Scott, Senator Scott, excuse me.

00:33:02.000 The song also goes after welfare programs.

00:33:05.000 As a senator, now President Biden argued for freezing federal spending, this is back in the 80s, and dealing with sacred cows.

00:33:14.000 He does not talk about that anymore.

00:33:16.000 You have been a senator, though, for 10 years.

00:33:19.000 So what have you done to rein in the increasing size of government?

00:33:24.000 Well, thank you for the question.

00:33:26.000 Over the last several years, I've had an opportunity to vote against spending package after spending package after spending package.

00:33:33.000 What we also need to understand is that Joe Biden's Biden nominance has led to the loss of $10,000 of spending power for the average family.

00:33:44.000 When you see 16% inflation, your gas is up 40%, your food is up 20%, your electricity is up 20%.

00:33:52.000 We can stop that by turning the spigot off at Washington, sending the money back to the states, and allowing the decisions to be made at their own houses.

00:34:03.000 I helped write the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act in 2017.

00:34:07.000 We cut taxes for a single mom, like the one that raised me by 70%, for dual households by 60%, returning to the average family $4,000.

00:34:18.000 It's not the Washington.

00:34:20.000 We can't spend it.

00:34:21.000 That's good news for the American people. 0.90

00:34:23.000 Okay, but just to follow up, you did, during the Trump administration, you approved $4.4 trillion, $4.1 trillion, $1.7 trillion over the course of that administration.

00:34:33.000 That's a lot of money.

00:34:35.000 There's no doubt that during the Trump administration, when we're dealing with the COVID virus, but here's what happened at the end of our time in the majority.

00:34:43.000 We had unemployment, record low unemployment, 3.5%.

00:34:49.000 Population, 70-year low for women.

00:34:52.000 African Americans, Hispanics, and Asians.

00:34:54.000 Turn Tyler up a little bit.

00:34:55.000 All-time low. 1.00

00:34:57.000 But our inflation was too shit. 0.99

00:35:00.000 Under Joe Biden, we've seen the exact opposite. 0.99

00:35:03.000 We've seen inflation explode, which led to 12 Federal Reserve increases.

00:35:09.000 That's devastating homebuyers today.

00:35:13.000 Mr. Ramaswamy, you're listening to me.

00:35:15.000 If I may, hold on one second.

00:35:17.000 We're going to go ahead so I don't know if I get a chance to respond.

00:35:20.000 He didn't mention you specifically, but we'll be with you in a second, Mr. Vice President.

00:35:23.000 Mr. Ramaswamy, listening to all of this, why should voters choose you?

00:35:29.000 There's some more experienced politicians on this stage.

00:35:31.000 Mike Pence just got shut down.

00:35:33.000 A blank slate for people.

00:35:34.000 You're 38 years old.

00:35:36.000 You've said that you only voted in two presidential elections before this moment, this political race.

00:35:42.000 Here we go.

00:35:43.000 So first, let me just address a question that is on everybody's mind at home tonight.

00:35:47.000 Who the heck is this skinny guy with a funny last name and what the heck is he doing in the middle of this debate stage?

00:35:52.000 I'll tell you, I'm not a politician, Brett. 0.89

00:35:54.000 You're right about that.

00:35:55.000 I'm an entrepreneur.

00:35:56.000 My parents came to this country with no money 40 years ago.

00:36:00.000 I have gone on to found multi-billion dollar companies.

00:36:04.000 I did it while marrying my wife, Aporva, raising our two sons, following our faith in God.

00:36:10.000 That is the American dream.

00:36:12.000 And I am genuinely worried that that American dream will not exist for our two sons and their generation unless we do something about it.

00:36:19.000 And I do think Britain is going to take an outsider because for a long time we have professional politicians in the Republican Party who have been running from something.

00:36:27.000 Now is our moment to start running to something, to our vision of what it means to be an American today.

00:36:35.000 If you have a broken car, you don't turn over the keys to the people who broke it again.

00:36:38.000 You hand it over to a new generation to actually fix the problem. 1.00

00:36:41.000 That's why I'm in this race and we're just getting warmed up.

00:36:44.000 All right.

00:36:45.000 So you governor Haley.

00:36:47.000 So why are you better positioned to turn around this economy that we've heard all of these voters talking about tonight than Mr. Ramaswamy, who is a successful entrepreneur nationally right now?

00:36:58.000 He's beating you in the polls.

00:37:00.000 Well, I don't care about polls.

00:37:01.000 What I care about the fact is that no one is telling the American people the truth.

00:37:05.000 The truth is that Biden didn't do this to us.

00:37:08.000 Our Republicans did this to us too.

00:37:11.000 When they passed that $2.2 trillion COVID stimulus bill, they left us with 90 million people on Medicaid, 42 million people on food stamps.

00:37:20.000 No one has told you how to fix it.

00:37:22.000 I'll tell you how to fix it.

00:37:23.000 They need to stop the spending.

00:37:25.000 They need to stop the borrowing. 0.57

00:37:26.000 They need to eliminate the earmarks that Republicans brought back in.

00:37:30.000 And they need to make sure they understand these are taxpayer dollars.

00:37:33.000 It's not their dollars.

00:37:34.000 And while they're all saying this, you have Ron DeSantis, you've got Tim Scott, you've got Mike Pence.

00:37:40.000 They all voted to raise the debt.

00:37:42.000 And Donald Trump added $8 trillion to our debt.

00:37:46.000 And our kids are never going to forgive us for this.

00:37:48.000 And so at the end of the day, you look at the 2024 budget, Republicans asked for $7.4 billion in earmarks.

00:37:56.000 Democrats asked for $2.8 billion.

00:37:58.000 So you tell me who are the big spenders.

00:38:00.000 I think it's time for an accountant in the White House.

00:38:02.000 Vice President Pence.

00:38:04.000 I noticed they had to get the Indians to fight each other. 0.99

00:38:10.000 54% of voters say the cost of groceries is a, quote, major problem for them.

00:38:15.000 You blame the Biden administration spending for that increase.

00:38:18.000 But as vice president, your administration spent more than any prior, $7.8 trillion added to the national debt, $3.5 trillion of that before COVID.

00:38:29.000 So does that mean that you're part of the spending problem?

00:38:32.000 Well, first off, thanks for the question.

00:38:34.000 Thanks for letting me respond to a reference to our administration's record.

00:38:39.000 I'm incredibly proud of the record of the Trump Pence administration.

00:38:43.000 I mean, in four short years, we rebuild our military.

00:38:47.000 We revived our economy.

00:38:49.000 We unleashed American energy.

00:38:51.000 And we appointed three conservatives to the Supreme Court that gave the American people a new beginning for the right to life.

00:38:57.000 Now, Martha, you asked earlier who's the most best prepared for this job.

00:39:05.000 And I must tell you with all due respect to all of my friends on the stage, and even to one that's probably looking on.

00:39:11.000 I think unquestionably I am the best prepared, the most tested, the most qualified and proven conservative in this race.

00:39:20.000 I was a leader in the Congress of the United States.

00:39:23.000 I led Indiana where we balanced budgets and had a triple-A bond rating when I was governor.

00:39:28.000 And as vice president of the United States, we spent funding to backfill on the military cuts of the Obama administration.

00:39:37.000 And then we were there unpopular in 100 years.

00:39:40.000 All that was the first person in this race. 1.00

00:39:43.000 It's a fair week to deal with the long-term national debt issues.

00:39:49.000 You got people on this stage that won't even talk about issues like Social Security and Medicare.

00:39:54.000 Neem Vivek, you recently said a president can't do everything.

00:39:58.000 Well, I got news for you, Vivek.

00:40:00.000 I've been in the hallway.

00:40:01.000 I've been in the West Wing.

00:40:02.000 A president of the United States has to confront every crisis facing America.

00:40:07.000 Yeah, we know how you face crisis, Mike Spence, on the path to growth and excitement.

00:40:12.000 And restore fiscal responsibility, just as I did in Congress and as governor.

00:40:19.000 But we've had a response since I was named earlier.

00:40:23.000 I'm going to give Vivek first.

00:40:24.000 We'll get to Bohemond.

00:40:25.000 This isn't that complicated, guys.

00:40:26.000 Unlock American energy, drill, frack, burn coal, embrace nuclear. 0.64

00:40:31.000 Put people back to work by no longer paying them more to stay at home. 0.83

00:40:36.000 Reform the U.S. Fed, stabilize the U.S. dollar, and go to war.

00:40:41.000 The only war that I will declare as U.S. president will be the war on the federal administrative state that is the source of those toxic regulations acting like a wet blanket on the economy.

00:40:51.000 So I'm not sure I exactly understood Mike Pence's comment, but I'll let you all parse that out.

00:40:55.000 For me, it's pretty simple.

00:40:57.000 That's something a U.S. president can do with focus, and I'll deliver on it.

00:41:00.000 Well, let me explain it to you.

00:41:01.000 Let me explain it to you, Vivek, if I can.

00:41:04.000 I'll go slower this time.

00:41:06.000 You know, I sometimes struggle with the reading customers.

00:41:08.000 Look, I was a House conservative leader before it was cool.

00:41:13.000 I actually pushed a deficit reduction act.

00:41:15.000 There was a little national debt in the United States when I was the leader of House conservatives.

00:41:21.000 I balanced budgets and cut taxes when I was governor.

00:41:24.000 I mean, look, Joe Biden has weakened this country at home and abroad.

00:41:29.000 Now is not the time for on-the-job training.

00:41:32.000 We don't need to bring in a rookie.

00:41:34.000 We don't need to bring in people without experience.

00:41:37.000 We need to bring this in.

00:41:42.000 In 30 seconds, when you have a rebuttal.

00:41:45.000 And you are up, Governor DeSantis.

00:41:46.000 So here's the thing.

00:41:48.000 Why are we in this mess?

00:41:49.000 Part of it and a major reason is because how this federal government handed COVID-19 by locking down this economy.

00:41:56.000 It was a mistake.

00:41:58.000 It should have happened.

00:41:59.000 And in Florida, we led the country out of lockdown.

00:42:02.000 We kept our state free and open.

00:42:05.000 And I can tell you this, as your president, I will never let the deep state bureaucrats lock you down.

00:42:12.000 You don't take somebody like Fauci and coddle him.

00:42:15.000 You bring Fauci in, you sit him down, and you say, Anthony, you are fired.

00:42:22.000 There's no evidence that Bon DeSantis ever said anything about Fauci in 2014.

00:42:27.000 We're going to bring in December.

00:42:29.000 That's a good point, Jack.

00:42:30.000 That's a really good point.

00:42:31.000 DeSantis was not a good idea.

00:42:32.000 None of them have gotten their memorized pre-prepared slogans out of the way.

00:42:35.000 We can actually have a discussion now.

00:42:37.000 The reality and the fact of the matter is.

00:42:39.000 Is that one of yours?

00:42:40.000 Not really, Mike, actually.

00:42:42.000 We're just going to have some fun tonight.

00:42:43.000 And the reality is, you have a bunch of people, professional politicians, super PAC puppets, following slogans handed over to them by their 400-page super PACs last week.

00:42:53.000 The real choice we face in this primary is this.

00:42:56.000 Do you want a super PAC puppet or do you want a patriot who speaks the truth?

00:43:00.000 Do you want incremental reform, which is what you're hearing about, or do you want revolution?

00:43:06.000 And I stand on the side of the American revolution.

00:43:10.000 We're going to take control back here.

00:43:12.000 We need everyone to have a moment on the economy.

00:43:14.000 I think that's fair.

00:43:15.000 Can I address the controls?

00:43:16.000 There are two people who have not.

00:43:17.000 We're going to get back to that.

00:43:18.000 We are.

00:43:19.000 There are two people who we have not heard from yet.

00:43:21.000 So let's hear from Governor Bergam and then from Governor Hutchinson.

00:43:23.000 And I have to say, I'm excited.

00:43:24.000 Great thank you, Martha.

00:43:25.000 Okay, Doug Berg, of course, I'm from a town of three people.

00:43:28.000 It's a big deal to make it on this stage with all these folks.

00:43:32.000 But hey, can we play?

00:43:39.000 And I think I took a little too literally when they said 92 and bring about assassination, cut 92 from the Tucker Trump interview.

00:43:47.000 It started with protests against you, massive protests, organized protests by the left, and then it moved to impeachment twice.

00:43:54.000 Right.

00:43:55.000 And now indictment.

00:43:56.000 I mean, the next stage is violence.

00:43:58.000 Are you worried that they're going to try and kill you? 0.93

00:44:00.000 Why wouldn't they try and kill you? 0.99

00:44:01.000 Honestly. 1.00

00:44:02.000 They're savage animals. 1.00

00:44:05.000 They are people that are sick, really sick. 0.99

00:44:08.000 You have great people in the Democrat Party. 0.99

00:44:11.000 You have great people that are Democrats.

00:44:12.000 Most of the people in our country are fantastic, and I'm representing everybody.

00:44:16.000 I'm not just Republicans or conservatives.

00:44:18.000 I represent everybody.

00:44:19.000 I'm the president of everybody.

00:44:21.000 But I've seen what they do.

00:44:22.000 I've seen the lengths that they go to.

00:44:26.000 So he didn't say yes or no, but it sounded like he's open-minded to the fact that he could get assassinated.

00:44:35.000 Yeah.

00:44:36.000 Well, RFK Jr. has basically said the same.

00:44:39.000 Yeah.

00:44:40.000 Should we go back to the debate?

00:44:41.000 Oh, it's ASAP.

00:44:43.000 Conservative city that have a conservative record in the United States in Arkansas as governor.

00:44:50.000 I created a $2 billion surplus that I passed over to my successor. 0.86

00:44:55.000 And I made sure we trumped the size of government.

00:45:00.000 We have 14% fewer.

00:45:02.000 How about 93?

00:45:03.000 Didn't Epstein kill himself?

00:45:05.000 It was clear.

00:45:05.000 This is kind of far afield, but it was just interesting.

00:45:07.000 I read Barr's account of his time.

00:45:10.000 He wrote a book about it, his autobiography.

00:45:13.000 And in it, he lies about Jeffrey Epstein's death.

00:45:17.000 Clearly lies.

00:45:19.000 Do you think Epstein killed himself sincerely?

00:45:22.000 I don't know.

00:45:23.000 I will say that he was a fixture in Palm Beach.

00:45:26.000 Yeah.

00:45:27.000 I don't know what Barr said about it either.

00:45:30.000 I have no idea what he said.

00:45:31.000 What did he say?

00:45:31.000 He killed himself, probably.

00:45:33.000 He said he killed himself and that they were going to do this investigation.

00:45:35.000 They never did the investigation.

00:45:36.000 It's never been public.

00:45:37.000 And they hit it.

00:45:38.000 And like, why are they doing that?

00:45:39.000 And clearly, Barr knew, but why would Bill Barr be covering up the death of Jeffrey Epstein?

00:45:45.000 Bill Barr didn't do an investigation on the election fraud either.

00:45:48.000 Okay.

00:45:48.000 He said he did, and he pretended he did, but he didn't.

00:45:52.000 Talker's going there.

00:45:53.000 Talker's going everywhere.

00:45:55.000 Let's get the debate back up, guys.

00:45:58.000 More than a thousand people are still unaccounted for in Maui.

00:46:02.000 After the deadliest U.S. wildfire in more than a century, Hawaii's governor and White House officials said that climate change amplified the cost of human error.

00:46:13.000 And a tropical storm hit California for the first time in 84 years.

00:46:18.000 The ocean hit 101 degrees off the coast of Florida.

00:46:21.000 And in the last month, the heat wave in the southwest broke records nearly 50 years old.

00:46:27.000 So Alexander Diaz from Young America's Foundation has a question for you all.

00:46:32.000 Polls consistently show that young people's number one issue is climate change.

00:46:36.000 How will you, as both President of the United States and leader of the Republican Party, calm their fears that the Republican Party doesn't care about climate change?

00:46:44.000 So we want to start on this with a show of hands.

00:46:47.000 Do you believe in human behavior is causing climate change?

00:46:54.000 Look, we're not school children.

00:46:56.000 I mean, I'm happy to take it to score.

00:46:58.000 Alexander.

00:46:58.000 So do you want to raise your hand?

00:47:00.000 Let's hope this answers.

00:47:01.000 I don't think that's the way to do it.

00:47:02.000 So let me just say to Alexander this.

00:47:04.000 First of all, one of the reasons our country's decline is because of the way the corporate media treats Republicans versus Democrats.

00:47:12.000 Biden was on the beach while those people were suffering.

00:47:15.000 He was asked about it.

00:47:16.000 He said, no comment.

00:47:18.000 Are you kidding me?

00:47:19.000 As somebody that's handled disasters in Florida, you've got to be activated.

00:47:23.000 You've got to be there.

00:47:23.000 You've got to be present.

00:47:24.000 You've got to be helping people.

00:47:26.000 So we're doing this.

00:47:27.000 And here's the deal.

00:47:28.000 Let's just answer the question.

00:47:29.000 Is that a yes or is that a yes?

00:47:31.000 Is that a hand raise?

00:47:32.000 You do not.

00:47:33.000 I think it was a hand raise for him, and it's my hands are in my pockets.

00:47:36.000 No, I'm raising hands.

00:47:38.000 Let us be honest as Republicans.

00:47:40.000 I'm the only person on the stage who is involved.

00:47:42.000 I'm not being paid for it, so I can say this.

00:47:43.000 The climate change agenda is a hoax.

00:47:46.000 The climate change agenda is a hoax.

00:47:49.000 And we have to declare independent school.

00:47:51.000 And the reality is, the anti-carbon agenda is the wet blanket on our economy.

00:47:57.000 And so the reality is more people are dying of bad climate change policies than they are of actual climate change.

00:48:07.000 Hold on, hold on.

00:48:09.000 Is Governor Haley bought and patient?

00:48:12.000 I've had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds like ChatGPT standing up here.

00:48:21.000 And the last person in one of these debates, Brett, who stood in the middle of the stage and said, what's a skinny guy with an odd last name doing up here was Barack Obama.

00:48:32.000 And I'm afraid we're dealing with the same type of amateur Senate stage tonight.

00:48:39.000 Give me a hug just like you did to all the same type of amateur.

00:48:42.000 And you'll help elect me just like you did Obama too.

00:48:44.000 Give me that.

00:48:46.000 Hold on.

00:48:47.000 Hold on.

00:48:48.000 Governor Haley, would you like to respond?

00:48:50.000 Are you born in the world?

00:48:51.000 What I would like to say is the fact that I think this is exactly why Margaret Thatcher said, if you want something said, ask a man. 0.95

00:48:58.000 If you want something done, ask a woman. 1.00

00:49:05.000 First of all, we do care about clean air, clean water.

00:49:10.000 We want to see that taken care of, but there's a right way to do it.

00:49:14.000 And the right way to do it is, first of all, yes, is climate change real?

00:49:17.000 Yes, it is.

00:49:18.000 But if you want to go and really change the environment, then we need to start telling China and India that they have to lower their emissions.

00:49:25.000 That's where our problem is.

00:49:27.000 And these green subsidies that Biden has put in, all he's done is help China because he doesn't understand all these electric vehicles that he's done, what that does, half of the batteries for electric vehicles are made in China.

00:49:40.000 And so that's not helping the environment.

00:49:43.000 You're putting money in China's pocket.

00:49:45.000 And Biden did that.

00:49:46.000 So first of all, I think we need to acknowledge the truth, which is these subsidies are not working.

00:49:52.000 We also need to take on the international world and say, okay, India and China, you've got to stop polluting. 0.96

00:49:57.000 And that's when we'll start to deal with that.

00:49:59.000 Senator Scott, are you bought and paid for?

00:50:01.000 Absolutely.

00:50:02.000 Are you bought and paid for?

00:50:04.000 Are you bought and paid for?

00:50:05.000 Absolutely.

00:50:06.000 Here's what the American people deserve is a debate about the issues that affect their lives.

00:50:11.000 Going back and forth, being childish is not helpful to the American people to decide on the next leader of our country.

00:50:17.000 Wait a second.

00:50:18.000 Number two, as a kid who grew up in a single-parent household mired in poverty, I wondered, was the American dream real for kids who are devastated by poverty, devastated by the challenges of life?

00:50:31.000 I came to the conclusion that America can do for anyone what she's done for me if we focus on restoring hope, creating opportunities, and protecting America.

00:50:42.000 If we want the environment to be better, and we all do, the best thing to do is to bring our jobs home from China. 1.00

00:50:49.000 If we create 10 million new jobs in my Made in America plan, we will have a better economy and a better environment.

00:50:56.000 Let me tell you why I say that, Brett.

00:50:59.000 Do it quickly.

00:51:00.000 America has cut.

00:51:01.000 I'm a southern boy.

00:51:02.000 I talk slow.

00:51:07.000 America has cut our carbon footprint in half in the last 25 years.

00:51:13.000 The places where they are continuing to increase, Africa, 950 million people.

00:51:19.000 India, over a billion.

00:51:20.000 China, over a billion.

00:51:22.000 Why would we put ourselves at a disadvantage, devastating our own economy? 0.85

00:51:27.000 Let's bring our jobs home.

00:51:30.000 We have a lot of different topics to get to.

00:51:33.000 Yep, we do.

00:51:33.000 We thank you all.

00:51:34.000 Thank you, Senator Scott.

00:51:35.000 So coming up next, the candidates will weigh in on what could be a defining issue in the 2024 campaign.

00:51:42.000 All right.

00:51:44.000 That was admittedly way more fun than I was anticipating.

00:51:47.000 Way more fun.

00:51:48.000 A couple observations.

00:51:50.000 Vivek is coming out freaking swinging.

00:51:54.000 And I have to, I mean, the chat GPT line was solid.

00:51:59.000 I cannot believe that that audience was booing climate change as a hoax.

00:52:04.000 That shocks me to no end.

00:52:06.000 I have no idea who the RNC got to be in here.

00:52:09.000 Tyler, do you have any insight into who got invitations into that room?

00:52:12.000 Did we lose Tyler?

00:52:15.000 I think Tyler was having an audio thing, but I mean, Vivek coming in with just shots fired.

00:52:22.000 And honestly, I think Haley and Tim Scott both sounded like they faded.

00:52:27.000 They completely faded.

00:52:28.000 People don't want to hear the canned responses.

00:52:31.000 They want to hear the candidates going back and forth at each other because this is where you're actually getting the substance out.

00:52:39.000 And people say, oh, is it really substance?

00:52:41.000 Is it really positive?

00:52:42.000 No, no.

00:52:43.000 Show us you have the fight because if you're going to take on the deep state, if you're going to take on everything that the swamp in Washington, D.C. has to throw, you have to show you want it.

00:52:54.000 And I'm sorry to the guys who are like, oh, well, you know, down on the south, we talked about, you know, Tim Scott.

00:52:58.000 You know, I'm sorry.

00:52:59.000 You know what?

00:53:00.000 It isn't that.

00:53:01.000 It isn't the 1980s anymore.

00:53:03.000 We're not going to have that anymore. 0.98

00:53:04.000 You need to put up or shut up.

00:53:06.000 Do we have, I don't know how long this break is, but do we want to play some more of the Trump clips? 0.93

00:53:11.000 Yeah, we should.

00:53:12.000 I think we've got, let's play 94.

00:53:15.000 I don't think we've played that one yet.

00:53:17.000 A guy like Chris Christie, the guy left with a 8%, think of it, 8% approval rating in New Jersey.

00:53:22.000 Now he's running for president.

00:53:24.000 And he runs solely on the basis of, oh, let's get Trump. 1.00

00:53:27.000 He's like a savage maniac. 1.00

00:53:30.000 He's like a lunatic. 1.00

00:53:31.000 And that's all he talks about. 1.00

00:53:32.000 His poll numbers are very, very low.

00:53:34.000 He's about 2%.

00:53:35.000 What's he like?

00:53:36.000 You know him well.

00:53:37.000 I've been friendly with him over the years, but I couldn't give him a job because I just never trusted him very much.

00:53:44.000 I was just never one of his people that really trusted him.

00:53:48.000 I never gave him the job.

00:53:49.000 And that's one of the reasons he feels so hurt and so betrayed.

00:53:52.000 And I understand that.

00:53:53.000 I really do.

00:53:53.000 I understand it.

00:53:54.000 But I never gave him, you know, he wanted to be different things.

00:53:57.000 He was looking at different elements of the administration.

00:54:01.000 And we decided, I decided just I didn't want to, I didn't want to do it.

00:54:06.000 I think, listen, guys, I think Christie is eminently hatable.

00:54:11.000 I really do.

00:54:12.000 I found that chat GPT line.

00:54:14.000 It was a good, it was a good one-liner, but it actually made me kind of despise him even more.

00:54:18.000 And to Trump's point, he's got an 8% approval rating in New Jersey, and he thinks he's going to be president.

00:54:23.000 His moment is past, Jack.

00:54:25.000 That's my take on it.

00:54:26.000 Real quick, someone just told me that, no, I know we don't have it up, but someone just told me that Fox News played a climate propaganda ad, a Republicans for Ukraine ad, and a TikTok ad, TikTok, of course, being a Chinese-owned firm.

00:54:43.000 What in God's name has Fox become?

00:54:46.000 Well, you guys saw this YAF question.

00:54:51.000 So first off, what we were talking about, Yaff has their logo, their C3 logo, right next to this kid's head on the Republican debate, which is so crazy to me.

00:55:00.000 Like, this is so crazy.

00:55:01.000 It's a climate change question.

00:55:04.000 Did I hear that right?

00:55:05.000 I was messing with my head.

00:55:06.000 He said, How are you going to fight?

00:55:07.000 He said, How are you going to fight climate change?

00:55:10.000 He didn't ask, well, you believe in climate change.

00:55:12.000 He didn't believe.

00:55:12.000 He didn't ask you if you believed in anthropocentric climate change.

00:55:19.000 Basically, that humans are to cause.

00:55:21.000 No, he said, How will you fight climate change?

00:55:24.000 That's Young America's foundation that's illegally sponsoring this debate.

00:55:27.000 Oh, did I say that?

00:55:28.000 Oh, sorry.

00:55:29.000 Yes.

00:55:29.000 Yeah.

00:55:30.000 I mean, we talked about that earlier, Tyler.

00:55:32.000 I mean, the lengths to which Turning Point USA has gone to create a C4, to create a PAC, to fundraise for that, build a team around that, like a whole different staff around action to stay in the IRS's good graces.

00:55:46.000 And the fact that Yaff just goes in and just goes full RNC, full party endorsement is, I mean, and then you get that question.

00:55:55.000 I mean, I think back to Rush Limbaugh, and Charlie always remembers this.

00:55:58.000 Rush Limbaugh, one of his last public speeches was at a Turning Point USA event introducing President Trump, right?

00:56:05.000 It was his final speech.

00:56:07.000 It was the final speech.

00:56:08.000 I was there.

00:56:09.000 Yeah.

00:56:09.000 And the first thing he does, he comes up and he says, climate change is a hoax.

00:56:16.000 I have been waiting to say that for years.

00:56:18.000 And the room went crazy.

00:56:21.000 And now you have that, by contrast, Yaff going on getting their first questions about climate change.

00:56:27.000 Oh, dude.

00:56:28.000 I mean, very first question.

00:56:31.000 Oh, sorry, Tyler.

00:56:32.000 Go ahead.

00:56:33.000 I think we got your audio fixed.

00:56:35.000 I was just going to say, this is like the total yaff moment here.

00:56:38.000 Like, of course, Yaff is asking a climate change question at the RIC debate that they shouldn't be hosting.

00:56:43.000 This is crazy.

00:56:44.000 So funny.

00:56:45.000 Yeah.

00:56:46.000 I mean, it's this is, but here's my take: Vivek is winning.

00:56:49.000 Climate change.

00:56:51.000 Hey, guys, I think big picture, though, Yaff aside, Viveka's winning this.

00:56:55.000 He's coming out hot.

00:56:56.000 They're all coming after him because they know that he's just running away with it.

00:57:01.000 Pence is like, I'll say it slower.

00:57:03.000 And it's like, Pence, you are probably the slowest talker on that stage.

00:57:07.000 You do not need to say anything about it.

00:57:08.000 Wait, guys, I think they're back.

00:57:09.000 I think they're coming back.

00:57:10.000 Are they back?

00:57:11.000 Let's do it.

00:57:11.000 Do we have to go back?

00:57:13.000 Yes, we have to go back.

00:57:15.000 I want to go back.

00:57:16.000 Yeah, I was actually a joy.

00:57:18.000 They all have to go back.

00:57:19.000 They all have to go back.

00:57:20.000 Here's Neocon Haley.

00:57:21.000 Can't we all agree that doctors and nurses who don't believe in abortion shouldn't have to perform them?

00:57:26.000 Can't we all agree that contraception should be available?

00:57:30.000 And can't we all agree that we are not going to put a woman in jail or give her the death penalty if she gets an abortion? 0.64

00:57:36.000 Let's treat this like a respectful issue that it is and humanize the situation and stop demonizing the situation.

00:57:46.000 You're not mentioned, Vice President Pence.

00:57:48.000 Governor DeSantis, you signed a six-week abortion ban in Florida.

00:57:53.000 One of your biggest financial backers said that you need to, quote, shift to get moderates or you will lose.

00:57:59.000 What do you say to him and others who say politically that is a tough thing to sell nationally?

00:58:06.000 Well, I would say we sold the biggest election landslide victory in the history of the Republican Party in the state of Florida in 2022.

00:58:13.000 That's what I did.

00:58:14.000 We can win.

00:58:16.000 But second of all, look, you got to do what you think is right.

00:58:19.000 I believe in a culture of life.

00:58:21.000 I was proud to sign the heartbeat bill.

00:58:24.000 One of the most impactful moments of my life was when I heard the heartbeat of my oldest daughter in my wife's womb and then saw the sonograms of all three of my kids.

00:58:35.000 What the Democrats are trying to do on this issue is wrong to allow abortion all the way up to the moment of birth. 0.94

00:58:42.000 I know a lady in Florida named Penny. 0.99

00:58:45.000 She survived multiple abortion attempts. 1.00

00:58:48.000 She was left discarded in a pan.

00:58:51.000 Fortunately, her grandmother saved her and brought her to a different hospital.

00:58:55.000 We're better than what the Democrats are selling.

00:58:58.000 We are not going to allow abortion all the way up till birth, and we will hold them accountable for their extremism.

00:59:04.000 But just to be clear, Governor, would you sign a six-week ban federally?

00:59:08.000 I'm going to stand on the side of life.

00:59:10.000 Look, I understand Wisconsin is going to do it different than Texas.

00:59:14.000 I understand Iowa and New Hampshire are going to do different, but I will support the cause of life as governor and as president.

00:59:22.000 Vice President Pence, you're shaking your head.

00:59:23.000 You must have a mass.

00:59:24.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on, Senator.

00:59:26.000 Vice President Pence.

00:59:27.000 You're shaking your head.

00:59:28.000 Well, look, I'm not new to this cause.

00:59:33.000 After I gave my life to Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, go slower, Mike.

00:59:37.000 And I read, before I formed you and I knew you.

00:59:41.000 And see, I set before you life and death, blessings and curses.

00:59:45.000 Now choose life.

00:59:46.000 And I knew from that moment on the cause of life had to be my cause.

00:59:50.000 And I've been a champion for life in the Congress, a champion for life as governor and as vice president.

00:59:56.000 And to be honest with you, Nikki, you're my friend, but consensus is the opposite of leadership.

01:00:01.000 When the Supreme Court returned this question to the American people, they didn't just send it to the states only.

01:00:07.000 It's not a states-only issue.

01:00:09.000 It's a moral issue.

01:00:11.000 And I promise you, as President of the United States, the American people will have a champion for life in the Oval Office.

01:00:18.000 Can't we have a minimum standard in every state in the nation that says when a baby is capable of feeling pain, an abortion cannot be allowed?

01:00:29.000 A 15-week ban is an idea whose time has come.

01:00:32.000 It's supported by 70% of the American people, but it's going to take unapologetic leadership, leadership that stands on principle and expresses compassion for women in crisis pregnancies.

01:00:44.000 I'll do that as president of the United States.

01:00:49.000 So first of all, I will say it is in the hands of the people and that's where it should be.

01:00:53.000 But when you're talking about a federal ban, be honest with the American people.

01:00:57.000 We haven't had 45 pro-life senators in over 100 years.

01:01:01.000 So no Republican president can ban abortions any more than a Democrat president could ban all those state laws. 0.99

01:01:08.000 Don't make women feel like they have to decide on this issue when you know we don't have 60 Senate votes in the House. 0.77

01:01:15.000 70% of the American people support legislation.

01:01:20.000 But 70% of the Senate does not capable of experiencing pain.

01:01:24.000 We love power.

01:01:24.000 We're just going to take leadership.

01:01:26.000 70% of the Senate does not.

01:01:26.000 Hold on.

01:01:29.000 You have to be honest with the American people.

01:01:32.000 Let's get Governor Bergman for one minute here.

01:01:35.000 Oh, gosh.

01:01:36.000 But the Supreme Court did overturn Roe v. Wade.

01:01:39.000 And the result of that.

01:01:41.000 This is a sticky issue, by the way.

01:01:43.000 But again, I have to say that I think Nikki Haley, it's like the 1990s Republican Party called and wants its candidate back.

01:01:52.000 I do think, though, she presents well.

01:01:54.000 I think she's going to have a small but insignificant boost.

01:01:58.000 I don't know.

01:01:59.000 By the way, where's Vivek been in this?

01:02:02.000 They're like apparently ignoring Vivek on purpose now because he's causing a rustic. 1.00

01:02:07.000 He's not really made social conservatism a huge, a huge thrust of his either.

01:02:12.000 Well, guys, we're missing bergamentum here.

01:02:15.000 Oh, gosh, you're in the Dakotas, Blake.

01:02:18.000 Yeah, Blake's biased here.

01:02:19.000 You've got to find out about bergamentum.

01:02:20.000 He gave me $19.

01:02:22.000 The bergermeister.

01:02:24.000 Hold on, hold on.

01:02:24.000 We can turn it back up.

01:02:28.000 No, I think that's a phone charger.

01:02:29.000 Duties allowed to the federal government delegated to them by the states.

01:02:33.000 The rest are left to the states, or importantly, or to the people.

01:02:38.000 We need to get back to freedom and liberty for the people in this country.

01:02:42.000 And we can't have Republicans who fight for 50 years for this great cause and return it back to the states.

01:02:49.000 And then the next day they turn around and go, no, the feds should do that because the feds are stepping into people's lives.

01:02:54.000 They're stepping into people's businesses over and over.

01:02:57.000 We say that the Fed should be in on this one.

01:02:59.000 Where do we stop?

01:03:00.000 I say that we followed the Constitution and this is returned to the states.

01:03:03.000 This is where it should be.

01:03:04.000 But Governor Bergham, you signed a six-week ban.

01:03:07.000 You signed a six-week ban.

01:03:09.000 Governor Bergham, you signed a six-week ban.

01:03:11.000 So you're saying federally, it's all going to go to the states.

01:03:15.000 Yes, and what is going to work in New York will never work in North Dakota and vice versa.

01:03:19.000 That's why we face questions right here.

01:03:22.000 This is too important of an issue that I have to address.

01:03:25.000 First of all, the Supreme Court gave it back to the elected representatives, whether it's the states or whether it's the United States Congress.

01:03:34.000 So there is authority, and that's why President Biden is pushing for a Democrat proposal.

01:03:40.000 Asa and Bergham, like arguing on stage is not nearly as good as that was like Pence versus Christie.

01:03:52.000 I want more of that.

01:03:52.000 That was good.

01:03:53.000 I don't want to hear Bergam.

01:03:55.000 They should have just, the RNC should have just been like, yo, you don't have a chance.

01:03:59.000 Sorry.

01:04:00.000 We're going to up the threshold.

01:04:02.000 I think they, yeah, I mean, I think that they should have had a different way of going about this.

01:04:02.000 I agree.

01:04:07.000 Sorry, guys.

01:04:08.000 I don't know what's going on with the camera.

01:04:09.000 Like, I literally can't.

01:04:12.000 It's literally like the mustache of Milwaukee.

01:04:18.000 This is a Milwaukee mustache, Cam.

01:04:22.000 Yeah, just I don't know if we can back up the camera at all.

01:04:26.000 Yeah, but I have to like, I'm like, literally six feet away.

01:04:29.000 I'm like, literally.

01:04:31.000 What are we missing with the debate?

01:04:33.000 No, you know what?

01:04:35.000 This is like what the debates would be like if 2016 had never happened.

01:04:39.000 Okay.

01:04:39.000 This is what the debates were like in 2008, 2012.

01:04:44.000 This is the debt ceiling.

01:04:47.000 What about this is what all this is what all debates are like.

01:04:52.000 Because U.S. style political debates are just a mistake.

01:04:56.000 Like they're terrible sound bites.

01:04:58.000 They're basically aimed at the lowest common denominator of voter, which is like technically in America, you can have an IQ of like 60 and vote.

01:05:08.000 And so, you know, you get, are you dissing democracy again?

01:05:12.000 Yes.

01:05:12.000 Yes, I am.

01:05:13.000 And the truth is, it's just very depressing.

01:05:16.000 Like 50 years ago, if you watch a debate, it's higher quality.

01:05:20.000 And it's because like we didn't know the truth yet.

01:05:22.000 We hadn't created the internet that gave us Twitter and TikTok and Instagram. 1.00

01:05:27.000 That just revealed that everyone was terminally stupid. 0.99

01:05:30.000 And so, you know, they tried to appeal to the smarts of the people, but now we accept the truth, which is we're just going to get like stupid sound bites about Big Bird or whatever until the end of time. 1.00

01:05:40.000 So they also, in that timeframe, lowered the voting age.

01:05:44.000 They drastically allowed more people to vote that were never that never voted before.

01:05:48.000 We, you know, hold on, drastically open this up.

01:05:51.000 Well, they're getting into it.

01:05:52.000 They're getting to it. 1.00

01:05:53.000 Jack, just I was going to have you judge Nikki Haley just based on body language.

01:05:57.000 Should we listen to the next question?

01:05:57.000 All right.

01:06:02.000 Yeah, let's get into it.

01:06:04.000 Studio, let's bring the volume up.

01:06:06.000 They did accelerate during the pandemic and are still rising, actually.

01:06:10.000 Murders in Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, all up 30% between 2019 and 2022.

01:06:17.000 Homelessness is up 11%, the largest jump in recorded history.

01:06:22.000 Vice President Pence, a lot of this began in the COVID era.

01:06:28.000 How much of what we're seeing happening around this country is a result of those COVID lockdowns.

01:06:35.000 And is your administration in part to blame for how we got here?

01:06:39.000 Well, I think what's in part to blame is the Democrats have been talking about defunding the police for the last five years.

01:06:45.000 And we ought to be funding law enforcement, particularly in our major cities, at unprecedented levels.

01:06:52.000 I mean, it's extraordinary to think about the violence that's claiming innocent lives literally every week in every major city in this country.

01:07:00.000 And yet Democrats and liberal prosecutors in major metropolitan areas continue to work out their fanciful agendas, to do bail reform and go easy.

01:07:11.000 What we need is strong commitment to law enforcement.

01:07:15.000 We need leadership in Washington, D.C. that'll marshal the resources of the states, marshal the resources of the American people.

01:07:22.000 But let me also say it's about opportunity.

01:07:25.000 I mean, a lot of people don't know that those Trump Pence tax cuts that we got signed into law go away at the end of 2025 if we don't have a Republican president and a Republican House and a Republican Senate.

01:07:38.000 When I'm president of the United States, we're actually going to cut taxes further.

01:07:41.000 We're going to extend those tax cuts and we're going to close the federal Department of Education, block grant all that funding back to the states with a growing economy and educational choice and law enforcement.

01:07:54.000 We will bring our cities back.

01:07:56.000 Governor Christie, another issue.

01:07:58.000 This weekend here in Milwaukee, reports say there were 30 shootings and a number of them including kids.

01:08:06.000 Add that to the big increase in school shootings around the country.

01:08:09.000 Democrats blame this crisis on easy access to guns.

01:08:12.000 They also blame Republicans for blocking gun control legislation.

01:08:17.000 What would President Christie do?

01:08:20.000 You know, I'm proud of the fact, Brett, that I'm the only person along with Governor Hutchinson up on this stage who's actually running United States Attorney's Office.

01:08:27.000 I ran the fifth largest office in America in a state where there is significant urban crime.

01:08:34.000 And the problem is not going to be solved by more money.

01:08:38.000 The problem is that these prosecutors in these localities in the states are refusing to do their job and to arrest violent criminals.

01:08:47.000 So what a President Christie would do is appoint an attorney general who would instruct each of the 93 U.S. attorneys that they are to take over the prosecution of violent crime in every one of those cities that are failing to do so.

01:09:01.000 We have plenty of room in the federal prison.

01:09:03.000 Governor Christie just said he's going to have to clean up what's going on across this country in these individual cities.

01:09:10.000 Secondly, what we need to make sure that each and every one of these criminals under Christie Hutchinson.

01:09:18.000 And when Hunter Biden fills out a fake application, a false application for a gun permit, and then is facing a 10-year mandatory minimum, which was mandated by legislation sponsored by his father.

01:09:34.000 And then you have a Justice Department that walks away from those charges.

01:09:38.000 We're telling people that the law doesn't apply to everybody.

01:09:41.000 In a Christie administration, he would go to jail for 10 years.

01:09:44.000 What about a president Ramaswamy?

01:09:46.000 What is a president Ramaswamy? 0.99

01:09:48.000 Got to say we're going to give him the death penalty.

01:09:50.000 So the reality is we have a crime wave in this country and we know how to fix it.

01:09:54.000 The question is, do we actually have the spine to do it?

01:09:56.000 More cops in the streets who are on the streets able to do their jobs without looking over their shoulder for getting sued.

01:10:02.000 And we also have a mental health epidemic in this country.

01:10:05.000 Just over the same period that we have closed mental health institutions, we have seen a spike in violent crime.

01:10:11.000 Do we have the spine to bring them back?

01:10:13.000 I think we should as president.

01:10:14.000 I will.

01:10:15.000 But it's not just drugging up people in those psychiatric institutions with Zoloft and Saraquil.

01:10:20.000 It's a deeper issue.

01:10:21.000 I think faith-based approaches can play a role here, too.

01:10:24.000 We're in the middle of a national identity crisis.

01:10:27.000 And I say this as a member of my generation.

01:10:30.000 The problem in our country right now, the reason we have that mental health epidemic, is that people are so hungry for purpose and meaning at a time when family, faith, patriotism, hard work have all disappeared.

01:10:43.000 What we really need is a tonal reset from the top, saying that this is what it means to be an American.

01:10:49.000 Yes, we will stand for the rule of law.

01:10:51.000 Yes, we will close the southern border where criminals are coming in every day.

01:10:54.000 And yes, we will back law enforcement because we remember who we really are.

01:10:58.000 And that's also how we address that mental health epidemic in the next generation that is directly leading to violent crime. 0.61

01:11:05.000 Can I speak up to the question?

01:11:06.000 Governor DeSantis, really quickly.

01:11:07.000 Governor DeSantis, we don't have an identity crisis with that.

01:11:12.000 We're not looking for a new national identity.

01:11:14.000 The American people are the most faith-filled, freedom-loving, idealistic, hard-working people the world has ever known.

01:11:20.000 We just need government as good as our people.

01:11:22.000 Well, Mike, I think the difference is you might have some others that like you may have on the stage.

01:11:26.000 It's Morning in America speech.

01:11:28.000 It is not Morning in America.

01:11:29.000 We live in a dark moment, and we have to confront the fact that we're in an internal sort of cold cultural civil war.

01:11:36.000 And we have to rip the people with the failed government in Washington, D.C.

01:11:41.000 We just need government as good as our people again.

01:11:43.000 So let me just finish Slogan because I don't know what that slogan means.

01:11:47.000 We want you on the administrative stage.

01:11:50.000 That's actually how we translate it.

01:11:51.000 Crime has been on the rise in Florida, Governor DeSantis.

01:11:54.000 How do you stop crime?

01:11:56.000 Well, actually, crime's at a 50-year low in Florida.

01:11:58.000 We're mine.

01:11:59.000 We're happy with that.

01:12:00.000 Well, the statewide, it's a 50-year low.

01:12:02.000 And so here's the thing.

01:12:04.000 These hollowed-out cities, this is a symptom of America's decline.

01:12:09.000 And one of the biggest reasons is because you have George Soros funding these radical left-wing district attorneys.

01:12:16.000 They get into office and they say they're not going to prosecute crimes.

01:12:19.000 They disagree with the inmates start running the asylum.

01:12:22.000 There's one guy in this entire country that's ever done anything about that.

01:12:27.000 When we had two of these district attorneys in Florida elected with Soros funding who said they wouldn't do their job, I removed them from their posts.

01:12:27.000 Me.

01:12:36.000 They are gone.

01:12:40.000 And as president, as president, we are going to go after all of these people because they are hurting the quality of life and they are victimizing innocent people in every corner of this country.

01:12:53.000 And it will stop when I get into office.

01:12:55.000 Okay, one word here before the break, Governor Bergen.

01:12:59.000 Brett and Martha, I just thought it was interesting.

01:13:01.000 You asked your question about the problems we're having in big cities.

01:13:04.000 Nobody ever asked the question of what about the crime wave in small towns?

01:13:08.000 Because in a small town, neighbors help neighbors.

01:13:10.000 People understand each other.

01:13:12.000 If a farmer gets sick, everybody comes together and helps them get the crop off.

01:13:15.000 There's accountability, there's transparency.

01:13:17.000 One thing that I think this country actually got to, I have to say, in all fairness, Chris Christie had a good crime answer.

01:13:27.000 Doug Bergham is running for president of like 1932.

01:13:31.000 I understand the drug crisis in America.

01:13:34.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:35.000 Whenever you look at these, we put that back in the street.

01:13:37.000 And Trump even dimensions.

01:13:39.000 There's three simple words that can be helpful.

01:13:42.000 One, enforce the law.

01:13:43.000 It's like they have a secret deal or something.

01:13:45.000 Secondly, let's deal with the challenge of fentanyl.

01:13:49.000 And it's both about stopping the fentanyl coming from Mexico, but it's also about education of our young people, making sure that we have the tools that are needed for addiction counseling.

01:14:03.000 That's what we expanded in Arkansas as well.

01:14:05.000 Whenever you look at the underlying challenge of America, though, no one likes to see an America with smash and grab in our inner cities.

01:14:14.000 As president of the United States, that will stop.

01:14:18.000 It starts at the top with respect for our justice system that a former president who's under indictment has undermined by attacking judges, by attacking prosecutors, by attacking the system and saying he's a grieve.

01:14:33.000 And so we have to have respect for our justice system and the rule of law.

01:14:37.000 And it starts with the president of the United States.

01:14:40.000 And they have respect for us.

01:14:44.000 So, speaking of that, right now you are looking live at Fulton County Jail, where Fulton President Donald Trump will be processed tomorrow.

01:14:53.000 So, next, the candidates will have an opportunity to talk about the coming trials of Donald Trump.

01:14:59.000 All right.

01:15:03.000 All right.

01:15:04.000 Hey, guys, let's go ahead and play this yaff question.

01:15:08.000 I think it's 99, I believe.

01:15:12.000 Is that it, studio?

01:15:12.000 Is that it?

01:15:13.000 Dude, this is so.

01:15:17.000 This is so.

01:15:17.000 Can you play the yaff question, please?

01:15:20.000 Polls consistently show that young people's number one issue is climate change.

01:15:24.000 How will you, as both president of the United States and leader of the Republican Party, calm their fears that the Republican Party doesn't care about climate change?

01:15:32.000 So, we want to start on this with a show of hands.

01:15:35.000 Do you believe in human behavior is causing climate change?

01:15:41.000 Raise your hand if you do. 0.99

01:15:43.000 Okay, that was ridiculous. 0.50

01:15:44.000 This is a perfect example of why the old right never actually conserved anything. 0.89

01:15:49.000 This is the old guard.

01:15:50.000 What you're doing is you're adopting the positions of the left and then coming to it from a complete leftist perspective, putting it inside your presupposed question, saying the climate change is real.

01:16:02.000 Everything that you say about it is real, and we just need to fight because that's how it is.

01:16:06.000 And at least I think Vivek actually did call it a hoax after that, at least to the point where we're saying that it's climate change is some sort of apocalyptic future that we're all going to live in in dystopia. 0.71

01:16:16.000 It's ridiculous. 0.97

01:16:17.000 It's absolutely ridiculous. 0.93

01:16:18.000 And for Young America's Foundation, who is supposedly a conservative organization, what have you ever conserved for the last 50 years? 0.83

01:16:25.000 Maybe the people the last 50 years who conserved absolutely nothing, who put our country in the position and our movement in the position that it's currently in.

01:16:33.000 How about you step aside and it's time for some new guns to come in?

01:16:37.000 Tyler, I want to get your input on this.

01:16:41.000 No, I mean, I'm telling you right now, this is so crazy to me that Young America's Foundation.

01:16:48.000 This is the, this is the, this is why, like, people, I was trying to tell people when the RNC picked this nonprofit, Young America's Foundation, who we know so well, I knew this is what was coming. 1.00

01:17:00.000 A bunch of like rhino, weirdo, neocon questions that are super lame, super stupid. 0.99

01:17:07.000 Guys, there are so many things going on in the world right now. 1.00

01:17:11.000 And you have Young America's Foundation, the best thing they could come up with was a climate change question.

01:17:17.000 Like, what?

01:17:19.000 Yeah, I agree, Tyler.

01:17:21.000 Let's play Vivek's answer because this was interesting.

01:17:24.000 I felt like the audience booed when this happened.

01:17:26.000 Let's play it 97.

01:17:27.000 No, no, no, I'm raising a hand.

01:17:29.000 Let us be honest as Republicans.

01:17:32.000 I'm the only person on the stage who isn't bought and paid for, so I can say this.

01:17:35.000 The climate change agenda is a hoax.

01:17:38.000 The climate change agenda is a hoax.

01:17:40.000 And we have to declare independent school.

01:17:43.000 And the reality is, the anti-carbon agenda is the wet blanket on our economy.

01:17:49.000 They were booing the fact that he was calling everybody out.

01:17:53.000 Because, I mean, it's true.

01:17:54.000 Vivek has lost billionaire financiers to fund his candidacy because he hasn't towed the line on Ukraine, on climate, and a bunch of stuff.

01:18:03.000 So, I mean, he did receive $50,000 as a college graduate student from George Soros.

01:18:10.000 True story.

01:18:11.000 I know if you're going to pay a 29-year-old $50,000, I'd take it.

01:18:17.000 I mean, this is why Vivek's winning, though.

01:18:19.000 I mean, again, don't get me wrong.

01:18:22.000 Everyone in the chat chat, we know all the issues with Vivek.

01:18:26.000 We know all the issues.

01:18:26.000 We know the background.

01:18:28.000 It's sketchy.

01:18:29.000 There's a lot of things we disagree with Vivek about, by the way.

01:18:32.000 We won't get into all of them.

01:18:33.000 But let's focus on the reason why he's winning.

01:18:36.000 The reason why he's beating Ron DeSantis now in a lot of polls in a lot of places.

01:18:40.000 He's coming up in the rears in Iowa is because he's speaking to the base on these issues the right way.

01:18:47.000 He's the only guy on stage that was like forceful about climate change.

01:18:50.000 Like, this is a slam dunk.

01:18:53.000 It's crazy.

01:18:54.000 It's a generational dynamic that we're seeing play here.

01:18:59.000 It is the old, the old guerrillas versus the old Silverbacks versus this new guard and Vivek.

01:19:05.000 And to some extent, DeSantis, but DeSantis still feels flat-footed.

01:19:10.000 I can't, he can't, when he, his first answer, I thought he was going to get off the block really, really fast.

01:19:14.000 He was, he was passionate, but then he's kind of receded back into a flat-footed on-his heels posture, which is, I think, not doing him any favors.

01:19:24.000 Again, Vivek, just every time they come to him, he's throwing haymakers.

01:19:28.000 So let's see.

01:19:29.000 Are we back to the debate yet, guys?

01:19:31.000 Does our suffering resume?

01:19:36.000 Let's see here.

01:19:38.000 We're not going to miss the.

01:19:39.000 Okay, Charlie is now here in studio, apparently.

01:19:42.000 He's going to be seated in just a second.

01:19:44.000 He's been watching.

01:19:44.000 He's been commenting in our chat.

01:19:47.000 We're still at a commercial break, but Blake, what's your take?

01:19:50.000 Give us your take right now.

01:19:53.000 I mean, it's very funny how they have totally avoided Donald Trump until now the debate hosts are like forcing them to talk about him because there was a lot of chatter about how they would handle the elephant in the room.

01:20:04.000 And the answer apparently is they would prefer to not handle it.

01:20:07.000 And they would just, man, I just don't even know who they're pandering to with this.

01:20:11.000 We've got other than that, I'm mostly distracted by Chris Christie.

01:20:16.000 He's been indicted in four different states on 91 counts.

01:20:20.000 He will be processed tomorrow in Georgia at the Fulton County Jail for charges relating to the 2020 election loss.

01:20:27.000 You all signed a pledge to support the eventual Republican nominee.

01:20:32.000 If former President Trump is convicted in a court of law, would you still support him as your party's choice?

01:20:39.000 Please raise your hand if you would.

01:20:48.000 A little slow there.

01:20:49.000 A little slow there, Joe.

01:20:52.000 Hold on.

01:20:53.000 So just be clear, Governor Christie, you were kind of late to the game there, but you raised your hand.

01:20:57.000 No, I'm doing this.

01:20:58.000 Look, look, I'm doing this.

01:21:00.000 I know you didn't.

01:21:01.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:21:01.000 No.

01:21:02.000 What's the news?

01:21:04.000 Look, here's the bottom line.

01:21:07.000 Someone's got to stop normalizing this conduct.

01:21:12.000 Okay?

01:21:13.000 Now, and now, whether or not, whether or not you believe that the criminal charges are right or wrong, the conduct is beneath the office of President of the United States.

01:21:37.000 And, you know, this is the great thing about this country.

01:21:41.000 Booing is allowed, but it doesn't change the truth.

01:21:45.000 It doesn't change the truth.

01:21:50.000 No, I don't get in and respond.

01:21:52.000 Let's just speak the truth, okay?

01:21:53.000 Hey, Charlie.

01:21:54.000 President Trump, I believe, was the best president of the 21st century.

01:21:57.000 Good for Vivek.

01:21:59.000 And Chris Christie, honest to God, your claim that Donald Trump is motivated by vengeance and grievance would be a lot more credible if your entire campaign were not based on vengeance and grievance against one man.

01:22:14.000 People at home want to see people blindly bashing Donald Trump without an iota of vision for this country.

01:22:22.000 They could just change the channel to MSNBC right now.

01:22:25.000 But I'm not running for president of MSNBC.

01:22:27.000 I am running for president of the United States.

01:22:30.000 We're skating on thin ice, and we cannot set a precedent where the party in power uses police force to indict its political opponents.

01:22:38.000 It is wrong.

01:22:39.000 We wish to end the recognization of justice in this country.

01:22:42.000 30 seconds, Governor.

01:22:44.000 I'm sorry, 30 seconds, Governor Christ.

01:22:46.000 You make me laugh because you sit here in an answer.

01:22:51.000 You sit here and an answer right now.

01:22:59.000 You sit here and an answer.

01:23:03.000 Go ahead, Governor Christie.

01:23:04.000 Hold on, Governor Chrissy.

01:23:05.000 Hold on.

01:23:07.000 Just smiling through it.

01:23:08.000 So listen, the more time we spend doing this, the less time they can talk about issues we want to talk about.

01:23:15.000 So let's just governor Christie.

01:23:19.000 You sit here talking about how you want to stand up for the rule of law and law and order.

01:23:24.000 And the fact is that it can't be selective.

01:23:27.000 In your book, you had much different things to say about Donald Trump than you're saying here tonight.

01:23:31.000 That's not true.

01:23:32.000 Oh, it is very true.

01:23:33.000 That's not true.

01:23:34.000 It's very true.

01:23:34.000 I read it.

01:23:35.000 And I know behavior.

01:23:37.000 And it's a beautiful beer, Chris, and you're the sketcher.

01:23:40.000 You know what?

01:23:41.000 I know a lot better.

01:23:42.000 There's a difference between behavior.

01:23:43.000 And I know a lot better than you do.

01:23:46.000 You've never done it like you've never done anything to try to advance the interests of this government except to put yourself forward as a candidate tonight.

01:23:54.000 And here's the thing.

01:23:56.000 We've stood up for law and order.

01:23:57.000 I did it as U.S. attorney.

01:23:59.000 I did it as governor.

01:24:00.000 And I am not going to bow to anyone when we have the United States who disrespects the Constitution.

01:24:07.000 Did he get up?

01:24:11.000 He said, Martha, we have to call out the truth.

01:24:16.000 Martha, it's important to say that the president said, Donald Trump said, it's okay to suspend the Constitution.

01:24:24.000 Now, the oath you take is to preserve, protect, and defend, not suspend.

01:24:30.000 I will always stand up for our Constitution, regardless of the political pressure.

01:24:34.000 We have another question for you.

01:24:35.000 We're going to get everyone in on this issue, but I have another question.

01:24:38.000 I have another question.

01:24:39.000 Hold on, you will.

01:24:41.000 All right.

01:24:41.000 So President Trump's former vice president is on this stage tonight.

01:24:46.000 He has faced hecklers on the campaign trail over his actions on January the 6th.

01:24:52.000 On that day, the vice president moved forward with the certification of the election.

01:24:58.000 So do you believe that Mike Pence did the right thing, Senator Scott?

01:25:05.000 Do you believe he did the right thing?

01:25:06.000 Absolutely.

01:25:07.000 He did the right thing.

01:25:08.000 Number one.

01:25:09.000 Number two.

01:25:11.000 The fact that there's a crowd doing this, this is not a Republican.

01:25:14.000 I'm going to bring ourselves a bigger question about the weaponization of the Department of Justice.

01:25:19.000 When I'm president, the first thing I'll do is fire Merrick Garland.

01:25:23.000 Second thing I'll do, fire Christopher Wray, because we need Lady Justice to wear away. 1.00

01:25:30.000 That is not position confidence in our justice system. 1.00

01:25:35.000 17% of Republicans have confidence in our Department of Justice.

01:25:41.000 Here's why.

01:25:42.000 We keep seeing not only the weaponization of the Department of Justice against political opponents, but also Jay.

01:25:54.000 They're called domestic terrorists.

01:25:57.000 Firing down the FBI.

01:26:00.000 Mr. Ruby.

01:26:01.000 Mr. Ramsay.

01:26:03.000 Let me finish my comments.

01:26:05.000 Not only that, in addition to that, we see the SWAT team show up at pro-life activist homes with guns drawn.

01:26:15.000 Why do you keep funding the DOJ?

01:26:17.000 Uses their power, uses their authority, not just against political opponents, but against conservatives and conservative causes.

01:26:24.000 It is time for a change in America, and I will bring that change to the greatest nation on God's greatest.

01:26:32.000 We have it in the world.

01:26:32.000 Doing the Obama Jive thing.

01:26:34.000 Believe that Mike Pence did not.

01:26:35.000 He was doing like MLK.

01:26:37.000 This is what we need to do.

01:26:38.000 We need to end the weaponization of these federal agencies.

01:26:41.000 And I would do that.

01:26:43.000 I know, but here's the thing: this election is not about January 26th.

01:26:50.000 It's about January 20th of 2025 when the next president is going to take off.

01:26:55.000 I know what the Democrats would like to do.

01:26:57.000 They want to talk about all these other issues, but we've got to focus on your future.

01:27:01.000 We've got to focus on reversing the decline of our country.

01:27:05.000 I learned in the military I was assigned with U.S. Navy SEALs in Iraq that you focus on the mission above all else.

01:27:13.000 You can't get distracted.

01:27:14.000 So, Republicans, we've got to look forward and we've got to make sure that we're bringing the message that can win in November 2020.

01:27:25.000 Vice President Pence, relation to the president.

01:27:27.000 What do you think is to support the federal constitution of the United States?

01:27:32.000 I think the American people deserve to know whether everyone on this stage agrees that I kept my oath to the Constitution that day.

01:27:40.000 There's no more important duty.

01:27:42.000 So, answer the question thing.

01:27:44.000 I've answered this before.

01:27:45.000 So, yes.

01:27:46.000 Why are we Mike?

01:27:47.000 Mike did his duty.

01:27:48.000 I got no beef with him.

01:27:49.000 But here's the thing: is this what we're going to be focusing on?

01:27:52.000 I'm relieved.

01:27:53.000 Going forward, the rehashing of this?

01:27:55.000 I'll tell you, the Democrats would love that.

01:27:57.000 We still win if we let them get away with it. 0.87

01:28:00.000 I'm not letting Barbie hang out.

01:28:02.000 Please this crowd is so disconnected from the Republican base.

01:28:07.000 It's like a throbbing military.

01:28:08.000 We are in the city.

01:28:09.000 We speak hard about the Red Cross.

01:28:11.000 Former President Trump is beating you by 40%.

01:28:14.000 Our supporter is not showing up where Trump isn't is a pretty common theme.

01:28:18.000 Governor Hutchinson, you did not raise your hand.

01:28:21.000 I did not raise my hand because there's an important issue we as a party have to face.

01:28:26.000 Chemical castration, I said that Donald Trump was morally disqualified from being president again as a result of what happened on January 6th.

01:28:35.000 More people are understanding the importance of that, including conservative legal scholars who say he may be disqualified under the 14th Amendment from being president again as a result of the insurrection.

01:28:48.000 There's a smart guy, Lawrence Trump.

01:28:56.000 And so, obviously, I'm not going to support somebody who's been convicted of a serious felony or who has disqualified under our Constitution.

01:29:06.000 And that's consistent with RNC rules.

01:29:09.000 And I hope everybody would agree with me.

01:29:10.000 We're going to have to talk about it.

01:29:12.000 We're right about that.

01:29:14.000 Martha, can I answer the question?

01:29:15.000 Can I get in on it?

01:29:16.000 Okay.

01:29:16.000 I'd like to answer.

01:29:17.000 You know, I've already been in on it, Vice President Pence.

01:29:20.000 All right.

01:29:20.000 I'd like to answer the question you asked and not give a pre-canned speech.

01:29:24.000 Mike Pence stood for the Constitution, and he deserves not grudging credit.

01:29:32.000 He deserves our thanks as Americans for putting his oath of office and the Constitution of the United States before personal, political, and unfair pressure.

01:29:45.000 And the argument that we need to have in this party before we can move on to the issues that Ron talked about is we have to dispense with the person who said that we need to suspend the Constitution to put forward his political career.

01:30:02.000 Mike Pence said no, and he deserves credit for it.

01:30:05.000 Okay.

01:30:06.000 Governor Haley.

01:30:08.000 The fact that there's a clause.

01:30:10.000 How are we going to do that?

01:30:12.000 This is not.

01:30:14.000 Let's be honest.

01:30:15.000 I do think that Vice President.

01:30:16.000 This is a joke.

01:30:17.000 This shows what the RNC is.

01:30:18.000 I think that we need to give him credit for that.

01:30:20.000 But what I will also tell you is: look, I mean, when it comes to whether President Trump should serve or not, I trust the American people.

01:30:29.000 Let them vote.

01:30:30.000 Let them decide.

01:30:31.000 But what they will tell you is that it is time for a new generational conservative leader.

01:30:38.000 We have to look at the fact that three-quarters of Americans don't want a rematch between Trump and Biden.

01:30:45.000 And we have to face the fact that Trump is the most disliked politician in America.

01:30:50.000 We can't win a general election that way.

01:30:56.000 Yo, Nikki's...

01:30:58.000 Nikki's not popular either.

01:31:00.000 Happy to answer the question.

01:31:01.000 Mike Pence did the right thing on January 6th.

01:31:04.000 But I would have said you started off the top of the day.

01:31:06.000 I want to keep going.

01:31:07.000 Hold on.

01:31:08.000 Ukraine education.

01:31:09.000 We are.

01:31:09.000 China is the number one threat to our country.

01:31:11.000 I want to hear a Divek answer. 1.00

01:31:13.000 Yeah, just hold on.

01:31:13.000 Just keep it going.

01:31:15.000 What said about the future is time that it's just the you know who loves it?

01:31:18.000 Biden loves it, but China loves it when we're talking about the past. 0.90

01:31:22.000 As promised, we were going to spend a few questions on it, let people say what they wanted to say.

01:31:26.000 And now, indeed, we are moving on to the subject of the United States.

01:31:29.000 The U.S. has committed nearly 77.

01:31:31.000 Did I speak on this issue?

01:31:32.000 I was answered on this.

01:31:34.000 You did.

01:31:36.000 We thought you were done, but you please.

01:31:39.000 Well, Mike, why don't you say this?

01:31:40.000 Join me in the church that I'm going to go to the bottom of the street.

01:31:42.000 No, as a dog, Donald Trump, I'm the only candidate on the stage who had the courage to actually say it.

01:31:47.000 Bounce up.

01:31:49.000 Move our nation forward.

01:31:50.000 I remember that.

01:31:52.000 That's exactly what I'm saying.

01:31:54.000 You should be able to make a commitment the same justice system that was this.

01:31:58.000 What's the difference between you and me?

01:31:59.000 Yeah, I'm not a political politician.

01:32:01.000 That's the difference.

01:32:01.000 Who can answer a question?

01:32:02.000 I've actually given pardons.

01:32:04.000 When I was governor of the state of Indiana, it usually follows a finding of guilt and contrition by the individual that's been convicted.

01:32:11.000 So if I'm president in the United States, we'll give fair consideration to any pardon requests.

01:32:16.000 But if I may, if I may, you know, it's not about looking back at January 2021.

01:32:26.000 It's about January 20th, 2017.

01:32:29.000 I put my left hand on Ronald Reagan's Bible.

01:32:32.000 I raised my right hand.

01:32:33.000 And I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.

01:32:39.000 And it ended with a prayer, so help me God.

01:32:42.000 It was a promise that I made to the American people, but I also made it.

01:32:48.000 I'm so tired.

01:32:49.000 Oh, my God.

01:32:50.000 Every day for four years, I sought to keep that oath.

01:32:53.000 And everyone on this stage needs to make it clear whether or not they'll do the same if they earn this job and the confidence of the American people.

01:33:01.000 If it was clear why they have to be aware of the people who are not clear, I had hoped that the issues surrounding the 2020 election and the controversies around January 6th had not come to this, had not come to criminal proceedings.

01:33:14.000 I would rather they have been resolved by the American people and the American people alone.

01:33:18.000 But no one's above the law.

01:33:20.000 And President Trump is entitled to the presumption of innocence that every American is entitled to.

01:33:26.000 And we will make sure and extend that to him.

01:33:29.000 But the American people deserve to know that the president asked me in his request that I reject or return votes unilaterally, power that no vice president in American history had ever exercised or taken.

01:33:44.000 He asked me to put him over the Constitution.

01:33:47.000 And I chose the Constitution, and I always will.

01:33:50.000 I had no right to overturn the election, and Kamala Harris will have no right to overturn the election when we beat them in 2024.

01:34:03.000 Now we are going to go to other issues.

01:34:06.000 The U.S. has committed nearly $77 billion in aid to the Ukraine war.

01:34:10.000 It's going to get good.

01:34:11.000 Turn this up.

01:34:11.000 The administration is now investing in Congress to $24 billion more.

01:34:16.000 Regardless, of the specifics of that comes the nauseation of neural liberalization.

01:34:22.000 You would not support the increase of war funding to Ukraine.

01:34:28.000 We would not support it.

01:34:29.000 Europe needs to step up.

01:34:30.000 I mean, I would have Europe step up and Mr. Anaswamy.

01:34:35.000 Wow.

01:34:36.000 Only Vivague.

01:34:37.000 But you're saying every DeSantis answer is so bad to pull their weight.

01:34:43.000 Right now they're not doing it.

01:34:44.000 And I think we need to do it.

01:34:46.000 And I think our support should be contingent on them doing it.

01:34:49.000 And I would have support in China to be able to take China and do what we need to do with China. 0.75

01:34:56.000 Let's go Vivek.

01:34:57.000 You would not support an increase of funding to Ukraine.

01:35:00.000 I would not.

01:35:01.000 And I think that this is disastrous that we are protesting against an invasion across somebody else's border when we should use those same military resources to prevent across the invasion of our own southern border here in the United States of America.

01:35:15.000 We are driving Russia further into China's hands. 0.98

01:35:19.000 The Russia-China alliance is the single greatest threat we face. 0.95

01:35:22.000 And I find it offensive that we have professional politicians on the stage that will make a pilgrimage to Kiev to their Pope, Zelensky, without doing the same thing for people in Maui or the south side of Chicago or Kensington.

01:35:35.000 I think that we have to put the interests of Americans first to secure our own border instead of somebody else's. 0.60

01:35:42.000 And the reality is this is also how we project strength by making America strong at home.

01:35:48.000 We heard the names.

01:35:49.000 Governor Christie first.

01:35:50.000 All right.

01:35:51.000 Look, I did go to Ukraine, and I went to Ukraine because I wanted to see for myself who's funding my army to the free Ukrainian people.

01:36:02.000 And let me tell you, I want you all to look around this arena tonight and imagine that every one of these seats was filled.

01:36:09.000 And if every one of them was filled, there would still be 2,500 more children outside to make over 20,000 who have been abducted, stolen mothers and Chris Christie and brought trafficked on the southern border.

01:36:25.000 They can't fight their own families. 0.98

01:36:27.000 They have gouged out people's eyes, cut off their weird emotive neoliberal crap. 0.99

01:36:32.000 People in the back of the head, men, and then gone into those homes. 0.98

01:36:37.000 The daughters and the wives who were left as widows and orphans.

01:36:44.000 This is the Vladimir Putin.

01:36:47.000 This is the Vladimir Putin who Donald Trump called brilliant and a genius.

01:36:53.000 If we don't stand up against this type of automatic stand up against Joe Biden and Chris Christie, we will be next.

01:37:03.000 Hang on, Vivek.

01:37:04.000 Hang on.

01:37:05.000 My question is.

01:37:06.000 You were mentioning Governor Haley.

01:37:08.000 Vice President Pence was mentioned.

01:37:09.000 You had 30 seconds.

01:37:10.000 Yeah, well, let me be clear.

01:37:11.000 Anybody that thinks that we can't solve the problems here in the United States and be the leader of the free world has a pretty small view of the greatest nation on earth.

01:37:21.000 This is the biggest big, small neoliberal talking point.

01:37:25.000 That's Christie's deal.

01:37:26.000 We're starting for democracy for years.

01:37:28.000 The Reagan doctrine years ago made it clear.

01:37:30.000 We said, if you're willing to fight the communists on your soil, we'll give you the means to fight them there so our troops don't have to fight them.

01:37:36.000 But Vic, if we do the giveaway that you want to give to Putin to give him his land, it's not going to be too long before he rolls across a nation's domino theory embedded in the lie of neoliberalism in real time.

01:37:48.000 To go and fight him.

01:37:49.000 Shallow thinking Ukrainians fight and drive administrations back out of the country. 1.00

01:37:55.000 This is the entire Mitt Robbie campaign.

01:37:57.000 100%.

01:37:58.000 President Pence, I have a news flash.

01:38:00.000 The USSR does not exist anymore.

01:38:04.000 You're talking about the communists and the real communists that we have to address right now.

01:38:07.000 If you have any idea what Putin's aims are.

01:38:10.000 You've already spoke.

01:38:11.000 Now I actually have to plan.

01:38:14.000 He's going to say the real communists are in our government.

01:38:17.000 You've made your influence, Vice President.

01:38:20.000 I insulted him by calling him a communist. 1.00

01:38:23.000 He is a dictator and a murderer. 0.98

01:38:26.000 And the United States of America needs to stand against authoritarianism. 0.98

01:38:32.000 Mr. Ramaswamy, 30% respond.

01:38:34.000 The vacuum communists today is communist China.

01:38:37.000 And we are driving Russia further into China's arms. 0.94

01:38:41.000 The Russia-China military alliance is the single greatest threat we face.

01:38:45.000 Nobody in either political party is talking about it.

01:38:47.000 And I think this will be a non-Lutheran optimistic.

01:38:52.000 Mr. Vice President, we can't hear to give Russia in NATO.

01:39:01.000 And then somehow China will not think about taking Taiwan.

01:39:06.000 We achieve peace through strength.

01:39:09.000 Mr. Venus needs to stand for freedom.

01:39:12.000 Okay.

01:39:13.000 Here we go.

01:39:14.000 You will send your grandson to war. 0.84

01:39:16.000 When we hear this bell, that means your time's done.

01:39:22.000 So, Mr. Vice President, we appreciate your aggressiveness here.

01:39:25.000 30 seconds is 30 seconds.

01:39:27.000 Mr. Ramaswamy, you were mentioned.

01:39:29.000 You get 30 seconds.

01:39:30.000 So the reality is that today, today, Ukraine is not a priority for the U.S.

01:39:38.000 The fact that Vivek is being booed by Republican donors makes me love him, and you should support him too.

01:39:43.000 We cannot end it.

01:39:44.000 These are warmongers that have done nothing good for our country.

01:39:47.000 We want to get to the point where we're sending our military resources abroad when we could be better using them here at home to protect our own borders, protect the homeland.

01:39:55.000 All right.

01:39:56.000 That will be my top priority for our political.

01:40:00.000 So I do want to get to some other people because everybody, we respect everybody's time.

01:40:05.000 Who cares about Doug Bergam?

01:40:06.000 Governor Haley.

01:40:08.000 You did not raise your hand, meaning that you would support more funding for the Ukraine war.

01:40:14.000 You have said of Governor DeSantis that you didn't appreciate it when he initially called it a territorial dispute.

01:40:22.000 Why?

01:40:23.000 First of all, the American president needs to have moral clarity.

01:40:26.000 They need to know the difference between right and wrong.

01:40:29.000 They need to know the difference between good and evil. 0.52

01:40:32.000 When you look at the situation with Russia and Ukraine, here you have a pro-American country that was invaded by a thug.

01:40:39.000 So we want to talk about what has been given to Ukraine.

01:40:42.000 Less than 3.5% of our defense budget has been given to Ukraine.

01:40:48.000 If you look at the percentages per GDP, 11 of the European countries have given more than the U.S.

01:40:54.000 But what's really important is go back to when China and Russia held hands, shook hands before the Olympics, and named themselves unlimited partners.

01:41:04.000 A win for Russia is a win for China. 0.99

01:41:07.000 We have to know that.

01:41:09.000 Ukraine is the first line of defense for us. 0.81

01:41:12.000 And the problem that Vivek doesn't understand is he wants to hand Ukraine to Russia.

01:41:16.000 He wants to secure our borders.

01:41:19.000 He wants to go and stop funding Israel.

01:41:21.000 You don't do that to friends.

01:41:23.000 What you do instead is you have the backs of your friends.

01:41:26.000 Ukraine is a front line of defense.

01:41:28.000 Putin has said if Russia, once Russia takes Ukraine, Poland and the Baltics are next.

01:41:34.000 That's a world war.

01:41:35.000 We're trying to prevent war. 0.69

01:41:37.000 Look at what Putin did today.

01:41:38.000 He killed Pergozin.

01:41:40.000 When I was at the UN, the Russian ambassador suddenly died.

01:41:44.000 This guy is a COVID shot.

01:41:46.000 You are choosing a murder over a pro-American. 0.73

01:41:50.000 Stop talking about Anthony Fauci, I will.

01:41:54.000 First of all, first of all, Mr. Ramaswamy, you have 30 seconds.

01:41:57.000 Mr. DeSant, I wish you well in your future career on the boards of Lockheed and Raytheon.

01:42:04.000 Boeing came off of it, but you've been pushing this lie.

01:42:04.000 And you know what?

01:42:07.000 You've been pushing this lie all week.

01:42:08.000 You want to go and defund Israel?

01:42:10.000 You want to go to the United States?

01:42:13.000 I'm going to address each of those right now.

01:42:15.000 This is the falsehoods of a professional politician.

01:42:20.000 You're watching America lesson.

01:42:22.000 You have no foreign policy experience.

01:42:24.000 And it shows you.

01:42:25.000 You know what?

01:42:26.000 The storm policy experience that you all have shows in the horror.

01:42:32.000 So our relationship with Israel will never be stronger than by the end of my first term.

01:42:39.000 But it's not a client relationship.

01:42:41.000 It is a friendship.

01:42:43.000 And you know what friends do?

01:42:45.000 Friends help each other stand on their own two feet.

01:42:47.000 So I will lead Abraham Accords 2.0.

01:42:50.000 I will partner with Israel to make sure Iran never is nuclear armed. 0.76

01:42:54.000 But you know what I love about Israel?

01:42:55.000 And I've been there probably in the last 10 years more than most people on this stage.

01:42:58.000 You know what I love about them?

01:43:00.000 I love their border policies.

01:43:01.000 I love their tough on crime policies.

01:43:04.000 I love that they have a national identity and an iron dome to protect their homeland.

01:43:08.000 And so, yes, I want to learn from the friends that we're supporting.

01:43:11.000 And what puzzles me...

01:43:13.000 No, I want to learn from those that apply those to protect our homeland.

01:43:17.000 That's America.

01:43:17.000 That is the answer.

01:43:18.000 America needs Israel. 0.98

01:43:19.000 Okay, Governor DeSantis, Governor DeSantis, you mentioned that the territorial dispute.

01:43:25.000 Not only is it a president of the United States.

01:43:29.000 Your first obligation is to defend our country and its people.

01:43:35.000 And that means you're sending all this money, but you're not doing what we need to do to secure our own border.

01:43:42.000 We have tens of thousands of people who are being killed because what we're not handling votes.

01:43:48.000 And so I am going to declare it a national emergency.

01:43:51.000 I'm not going to send troops to Ukraine, but I am going to send them to our southern border. 1.00

01:43:56.000 Okay, that's the right answer.

01:43:58.000 That's the right answer.

01:43:59.000 Across the border, that's going to be the last thing they do.

01:44:02.000 We're going to use force and we're going to leave them stone cold.

01:44:05.000 We're actually going to move on to China.

01:44:07.000 We're going to talk about China, Charlie.

01:44:09.000 Governor Bergam, China has the biggest navy, the biggest army in the world.

01:44:14.000 Now they have warships off the coast of Alaska.

01:44:17.000 They are threatening Taiwan. 0.93

01:44:19.000 In coming years, China will have 1,500 nuclear warheads, it's believed.

01:44:24.000 The U.S. just arrested two sailors accused of spying for China within our military.

01:44:29.000 So the question is, how would you deter China as a president, Bergham?

01:44:35.000 Well, this is the number one issue we're facing.

01:44:38.000 And of course, we haven't been talking about it, and we act like that letting Russia win in Ukraine is like a gimme as opposed to a gift to China.

01:44:45.000 Russia has become China's gas station. 0.88

01:44:47.000 But how would we do it?

01:44:48.000 The Biden administration is a complete fail.

01:44:51.000 China imports 10 million barrels of oil a day more than any other country in the world.

01:44:57.000 They do not even have all the food they need to feed everybody in that country.

01:45:00.000 So they don't have energy security or food security.

01:45:02.000 But the Biden administration sends Blinken, Yellen over there.

01:45:08.000 They're over there.

01:45:09.000 They don't even bring up energy because they're too busy trying to kill the U.S. energy here.

01:45:13.000 And what we need to do is not meetings, not press releases, because something that would send a lot more than a press release is actually harpoon missiles.

01:45:21.000 We need anti-ship missiles on Taiwan. 0.55

01:45:24.000 The way that you have a war never start, which is the goal, the way you have peace through strength, is that you actually have strength.

01:45:31.000 You actually have deterrence.

01:45:32.000 And what we have in what we've got going on in Ukraine is an example of when deterrence fail.

01:45:38.000 What is an example there of Biden's disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan, the fact that he greenlighted Putin moving into Ukraine, and then now they see weakness, and when they see weakness, they make a move.

01:45:49.000 And we have to be strong, and we have to be strong, both in Ukraine, and we can solve the southern border.

01:45:55.000 Absolutely, we can do that.

01:45:57.000 Because guess what?

01:45:58.000 There's only 19,855 authorized people for the border patrol.

01:46:02.000 But they're not all staffed because the Biden administration doesn't enforce law enforcement.

01:46:06.000 But the Biden administration wanted to put 87,000 people in the IRS as opposed to giving the money and this for what we need to our own border patrol.

01:46:14.000 Okay.

01:46:20.000 Let's fire the 87,000 IRC. 0.95

01:46:23.000 If only we had a senator on the stage.

01:46:25.000 Oh, my gosh.

01:46:26.000 Look at the number of Border Patrol agents.

01:46:28.000 I just left Yuma, Arizona, about two weeks ago.

01:46:31.000 Another buddy's title from the American people from a national security standpoint is our southern border.

01:46:38.000 It has law to the death of 70,000 Americans because of fentanyl.

01:46:43.000 Plus, 6 million illegal crossings since President Biden has taken office.

01:46:50.000 And 200 people on our national security watch list have been caught at our border.

01:46:57.000 How many have not been caught at our southern border?

01:47:00.000 If we just spend $10 billion, we could finish the wall.

01:47:05.000 For $5 billion more, we could have the military-grade technology to surveil our southern border to stop the flow of fentanyl and save 70,000 Americans a year.

01:47:20.000 That should be the priority of this government.

01:47:24.000 And as the next president of the United States, I will make that border wall complete.

01:47:30.000 There are many more questions on China.

01:47:31.000 I do want to ask you.

01:47:33.000 I want to say I couldn't agree more.

01:47:35.000 It's not just the 70,000 from fentanyl.

01:47:37.000 We've lost 200,000 people to overdoses since Biden took office.

01:47:40.000 That's 300 people a day.

01:47:42.000 We're taking mass casualties.

01:47:44.000 And those aren't, that's a statistic, but these are sons and daughters, nieces and nephews that we're losing.

01:47:49.000 We've got North Dakota troops down there flying night helicopter missions from San Diego to the Gulf Coast, trying to stop these transnational criminal organizations. 0.75

01:47:57.000 They've got better funding on their side than we've got on our side.

01:48:00.000 Speaking of which, Governor Hutchinson, speaking of which, images from earlier this month, Governor Hutchinson with Mexico, Vice President Pence.

01:48:08.000 Images from earlier this month.

01:48:11.000 Vice President Pence, it really doesn't help.

01:48:13.000 I'm asking a question.

01:48:14.000 Earlier this month, it just got slapped.

01:48:18.000 I just showed suspected cartel members crossing into Texas with rifles.

01:48:23.000 Do you consider this an invasion?

01:48:26.000 That's a good question.

01:48:27.000 Do you authorize lethal force along that border?

01:48:32.000 There would be lethal force used by the Border Patrol law enforcement as needed to protect the border.

01:48:39.000 Absolutely.

01:48:40.000 When you look at the military, the military has to be used for intelligence gathering purposes.

01:48:46.000 This is not unusual.

01:48:48.000 Whenever I was in the Bush administration, we went down there and met with President Vincente Fox of Mexico and asked his help in going after the cartels.

01:48:59.000 And he looked at me and said they're a problem to us as well.

01:49:02.000 And so we joined together and we took down the Ariana Felix brothers leading the Tijuana cartel.

01:49:10.000 And that made a difference.

01:49:11.000 Ramon was shot and killed and Ben Amin was captured.

01:49:15.000 Cooperation makes a difference.

01:49:16.000 We cannot be successful going against the cartel unless we bring in Mexico as a partner. 1.00

01:49:24.000 We have to use economic pressure to accomplish that.

01:49:27.000 President Oberdor has not been helpful, and we have to use economic pressure that this administration is not using.

01:49:34.000 The rule of law has to matter on both sides of it.

01:49:37.000 This is critical.

01:49:38.000 I've done it.

01:49:39.000 We know what needs to be done.

01:49:41.000 The military has to be limited in its use.

01:49:46.000 After 9-11, we had the global war on terror.

01:49:50.000 And guess what?

01:49:51.000 We protected the border at the same time.

01:49:53.000 You can do that.

01:49:55.000 Let's go to Governor DeSantis.

01:49:58.000 So, as president, would you support sending U.S. special forces over the border into Mexico to take out fentanyl labs, to take out drug cartel operations?

01:50:10.000 Would you support that kind of American military use?

01:50:14.000 Yes, and I will do it on day one.

01:50:17.000 Here's the thing.

01:50:18.000 The cartels are killing tens of thousands of our fellow citizens.

01:50:24.000 You want to talk about a country in decline?

01:50:26.000 You have the cartels controlling a lot of part of your southern border.

01:50:30.000 We have to reestablish the rule of law and we have to defend our people.

01:50:35.000 The president of the United States has got to use all available powers as commander in chief to protect our country and to protect the people.

01:50:44.000 So when they're coming across, yes, we're going to use lethal force.

01:50:48.000 Yes, we reserve the right to operate.

01:50:50.000 How many more tens of thousands are we going to let to die?

01:50:54.000 I've met angel moms throughout this country.

01:50:54.000 I am sick.

01:50:56.000 I met a lady in Texas named Tracy, and her son took one Percocet that was laced with fentany, immediately died.

01:51:08.000 That is happening all across this country because of the poison that they are bringing in.

01:51:13.000 So as president, would I use force?

01:51:15.000 Would I treat them as foreign terrorist organizations?

01:51:18.000 You're darn right I would. 0.79

01:51:19.000 You know, Vice President Pence.

01:51:23.000 Vice President Pence, why would you be better at this issue than Governor DeSantis?

01:51:28.000 Governor DeSantis on the campaign trail refers to your administration as not finishing the wall.

01:51:34.000 Right.

01:51:36.000 Look, we secured the southern border of the United States of America and reduced illegal immigration and asylum abuse by 90%.

01:51:48.000 When Joe Biden took over, he threw open the southern border of the United States.

01:51:51.000 And the wave of humanity, the wave of fentanyl that's been eloquently described here is a wave of human tragedy across this country.

01:51:59.000 But Martha, you began this evening talking about who is best prepared to be the next president of the United States.

01:52:05.000 Who's been a politician the longest?

01:52:06.000 And I have to tell you what's happening.

01:52:09.000 I was there when we negotiated through the government shutdown and got the funding available to build the wall.

01:52:16.000 I was negotiating on Capitol Hill around the clock.

01:52:19.000 I negotiated the remaining Mexico policy on behalf of the President of the United States.

01:52:24.000 And AC, you're so right.

01:52:25.000 It's because we used economic pressure to bring the Mexicans to the table. 0.95

01:52:30.000 And they allowed us to have people wait in Mexico while they applied for asylum and ended asylum abuse overnight.

01:52:37.000 We got the Mexicans to deploy their National Guard to their southern border and to our southern border as never before. 0.97

01:52:44.000 And I want to promise you, as President of the United States of America, I will engage Mexico the exact same way, and we will partner with the Mexican military, and we will hunt down and destroy the cartels that are claiming lives in the United States.

01:53:02.000 Another issue that is related to this is that almost 7 million migrants have crossed this border, our southern border, during the Biden administration.

01:53:12.000 So, Governor Christie, what would you do about the 7 million who are here?

01:53:17.000 How would you handle them?

01:53:18.000 What would you say?

01:53:19.000 You'll say pathway to citizens.

01:53:20.000 The first thing we need to do is to stop any more from coming.

01:53:24.000 That's the first thing we need to do.

01:53:25.000 Then, the next thing we need to do with the folks that are here is to, again, as we've talked about all the days, we have to have law and order in this country.

01:53:35.000 We have to enforce the law.

01:53:36.000 And what that means is to make sure that people who come here illegally are not rewarded for being here illegally.

01:53:43.000 We have so many wonderful people from around the world who are waiting in line, following the law, to try to come here and pursue the American dream.

01:53:53.000 And those people are waiting and waiting and waiting because we haven't dealt with the problem of the folks who are here.

01:54:02.000 We have to have them detained.

01:54:04.000 We have to make sure that they are not rewarded for having broken the law.

01:54:09.000 And one last thing on this fentanyl issue.

01:54:12.000 With China, we can't take our eye off of that ball. 1.00

01:54:16.000 Yes, it's important that we secure the border.

01:54:19.000 Very important, as I just said.

01:54:21.000 But China is sending these chemicals to these drug cartels for them to create the fentanyl that is killing hundreds of thousands of our citizens.

01:54:31.000 The Chinese are engaging in an act of war against us, killing our citizens. 1.00

01:54:36.000 We better make that priority one in our conversations with China and to try to straighten that relationship out.

01:54:42.000 Because if we don't, we're going to lose more and more of our citizens.

01:54:45.000 I just want to clarify: would you send those people back?

01:54:49.000 Of course.

01:54:51.000 You'd have to.

01:54:53.000 We have a lot of issues that Americans care about.

01:54:55.000 Next up, we're going to talk about the crisis in education.

01:54:58.000 Christy says millions of American children.

01:55:01.000 Let's lower the debate stream.

01:55:05.000 Charlie, lead us.

01:55:07.000 No, I thought it was really interesting.

01:55:09.000 I mean, it just goes to show first what the Republican Party is about Trump.

01:55:13.000 I mean, outside of Vivek, if Vivek would not be in the race, it would be a complete agreement on money in Ukraine, soft answers on immigration, kind of kid gloves with the administrative state.

01:55:24.000 It's completely, completely different.

01:55:27.000 And was I processing that right?

01:55:30.000 Was the Young Americas Foundation commercial about climate change?

01:55:33.000 I mean, their little thing that they paid for?

01:55:35.000 Did I see that right?

01:55:37.000 Their ad was that.

01:55:38.000 It was like, what are you going to do to convince young people that you really care about the climate change?

01:55:45.000 Oh, my God.

01:55:46.000 Oh, my God.

01:55:47.000 I'm being told that there's a clip here.

01:55:49.000 This is not the premier youth organization on the right.

01:55:52.000 That would be Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action, Play Cut 98.

01:55:56.000 Polls consistently show that young people's number one issue is climate change.

01:56:00.000 How will you, as both president of the United States and leader of the Republican Party, calm their fears that the Republican Party doesn't care about climate change?

01:56:08.000 So we want to start on this.

01:56:09.000 Calm their fears that the Republican Party doesn't care about climate change.

01:56:15.000 That's like what a hit another group would do on YAF to discredit them.

01:56:20.000 To like have a guy ask that question with a big YAF logo right off to the point.

01:56:25.000 This is like literally like an SNL version of YAF.

01:56:28.000 It's like, it's literally if they were making fun of YAF on SNL right now.

01:56:32.000 It's so crazy.

01:56:33.000 Jack, are you back?

01:56:35.000 No, Jack.

01:56:35.000 Jack was having IFTA.

01:56:37.000 He's going to join us for the penalty.

01:56:38.000 Oh, he's back.

01:56:39.000 All right.

01:56:39.000 Okay.

01:56:40.000 He is here.

01:56:40.000 I'm here.

01:56:41.000 Yeah, no, I was having this weird IFB issue where basically I couldn't hear the debate when people were when there was crosstalk and it was just getting all mixed up.

01:56:47.000 Anyway, it's my thing, but I'll hear during and after.

01:56:50.000 Look, I have a question.

01:56:51.000 Does anybody know why it was that Governor Ron DeSantis also decided to skip the debate tonight?

01:56:58.000 Because I know that President Trump didn't show up, but I was really expecting Governor DeSantis to show up, and yet I have yet to see him do so.

01:57:08.000 Yeah, you know, Jack, my take on it, and I was reading some of the comments online.

01:57:13.000 A lot of people keep saying, DeSantis is doing fine.

01:57:17.000 He's doing fine.

01:57:18.000 And I think, Charlie, Charlie, you tweeted out something just a second ago.

01:57:23.000 I forget what you said exactly, but you were like, he's doing his answers are like technically correct, but he's just not having a standout moment he needed.

01:57:32.000 Yeah, but Vivek is soaring.

01:57:33.000 Vivek's answers about go back on the board of Boeing or Lockheed Martin, Nikki.

01:57:37.000 Perfect.

01:57:40.000 This is a tweet I just was forwarded by a friend by some, I think it's like a crypto guy.

01:57:45.000 Pence is so old.

01:57:46.000 He's still talking about defunding the police.

01:57:48.000 He needs new talking points.

01:57:50.000 He needs to call Chris Crispy a fat loser and to tell Vivek that his H-1B visa is about to run out to have a chance.

01:58:03.000 But okay, but the biggest takeaway I have, we're going to really dwell on this.

01:58:06.000 Guys, throw the debate once come back.

01:58:08.000 Is who the hell is in the debate audience?

01:58:10.000 Tyler, you and I know a couple really good people there.

01:58:12.000 But generally, Tyler, you're there.

01:58:13.000 Tyler has boycotted this.

01:58:15.000 This.

01:58:15.000 Tyler's in Milwaukee.

01:58:16.000 He had a ticket and he decided to be with us.

01:58:18.000 Tyler, I am getting angry at how disconnected this RNC group is with the Republican base.

01:58:25.000 Charlie, you have no idea.

01:58:26.000 I'm like walking around.

01:58:27.000 It's so funny.

01:58:28.000 Today, you'll be so proud.

01:58:30.000 I wore those little badges that Rana said.

01:58:37.000 I wore these on my jacket today.

01:58:39.000 You know, all the things that they trick old people with, you know, all the older. 1.00

01:58:47.000 So this is how scary it is.

01:58:51.000 So I printed out those emails, the fake awards that they give people on emails to get them to donate five bucks, and I wore them all over my jacket.

01:58:58.000 And I walked up, and some of the old people that are on the RNC were like, oh, how do I get one of those?

01:59:05.000 I'm like, oh, my God.

01:59:06.000 This is exactly.

01:59:07.000 This is manipulation.

01:59:09.000 This is terrible.

01:59:10.000 We need, like, it'd be such a free line.

01:59:12.000 It'd be such a free line if you just had like.

01:59:15.000 The bait is back.

01:59:16.000 Let's cut back.

01:59:16.000 Let's enjoy.

01:59:18.000 For 15-year-olds and 13-year-olds.

01:59:20.000 Governor DeSantis, you would eliminate, you said, the Department of Education.

01:59:25.000 But as president, would you still have a responsibility to fix this crisis as we see it?

01:59:31.000 Absolutely.

01:59:31.000 Which crisis?

01:59:32.000 The decline in education is one of the major reasons why our country is in decline.

01:59:37.000 We need education in this country, not indoctrination in this country.

01:59:42.000 You've got to stop with the scripted stuff, man.

01:59:44.000 Florida, we stood up for what was right.

01:59:46.000 First, we had schools open during COVID, and a lot of the problems that we've seen are because these lockdown states lock their kids out of school for a year, year and a half.

01:59:54.000 That was wrong.

01:59:55.000 We stood up.

01:59:56.000 I took a lot of fire for that.

01:59:58.000 I was pilloried by the media, but I stood for our kids.

02:00:00.000 And as president, I'll stand for you and your kids as well.

02:00:03.000 But we have to make sure that what our schools are doing is focusing on solid academics.

02:00:10.000 In Florida, we eliminated critical race theory from our K-12 schools.

02:00:14.000 We eliminated gender ideology from our K-12 schools.

02:00:18.000 And we have elevated the importance of American civics in teaching our kids about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

02:00:26.000 As president, I'm going to lead an effort to increase civic understanding and knowledge of our Constitution.

02:00:33.000 We cannot be graduating students that don't have any foundation in what it means to be an American.

02:00:39.000 Mr. Ramashwami, Mr. Ramaswamy.

02:00:40.000 It's DeSantis' strongest sweet spot.

02:00:43.000 Mr. Ramashwami, hold on, Senator Scott.

02:00:45.000 Ron DeSantis is who he is.

02:00:47.000 The Department of Education, the FBI, the ATF, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, the IRS, the Department of Commerce.

02:00:53.000 Many of these should not exist.

02:00:55.000 That's correct.

02:00:56.000 So to the education question, how would you deal with the crisis?

02:01:00.000 So look, we have a crisis of achievement.

02:01:02.000 Let's shut down the head of the snake, the Department of Education.

02:01:05.000 Take that $80 billion, put it in the hands of parents across this country.

02:01:10.000 This is the civil rights issue of our time.

02:01:12.000 Allow any parent to choose where they send their kids to school and the teachers' unions at the local level to allow public schools to compete and then revive our national identity where every high school senior should have to pass the same civics test that frankly every immigrant, including my mother, had to pass in order to become a citizen of this country.

02:01:34.000 And the fact of the matter is, look, there's a part of education policy that also rests with the family.

02:01:40.000 I didn't grow up, but you know, the word privilege gets used a lot.

02:01:44.000 Well, you know what?

02:01:44.000 I do have the ultimate privilege of two parents in the house with a focus on educational achievement.

02:01:50.000 He said it.

02:01:51.000 Every kid to enjoy that.

02:01:52.000 The problem is we also have a lot of people.

02:01:54.000 You're not allowed to become president here today. 1.00

02:01:55.000 You're paying single women more not to have a man in the house than to have a man in the house, contributing to an epidemic of fatherlessness. 0.99

02:02:03.000 I like being vague, but you're angry.

02:02:05.000 You can't get the education crisis as well because we have to Education starts with the family, and the nuclear family is the greatest form of governance known to mankind.

02:02:17.000 Governor Bargain.

02:02:18.000 Governor Hayes.

02:02:19.000 Your parents bring up so much caseloads. 1.00

02:02:21.000 Governor Hazy is playing in girls' sports is a women's issue for our time. 1.00

02:02:27.000 You said that even though you signed a ban on this in North Dakota, that there hadn't been one instance where it was actually needed.

02:02:35.000 Are you saying that you think that too much is made of this issue?

02:02:39.000 No, I'm saying in North Dakota, we made a priority of protecting women's sports, and we've done that in our state.

02:02:45.000 But I would absolutely do that.

02:02:47.000 But I do think when we start talking about education and we think that we're going to have a federal government one-size-fits-all, we're just completely losing track of the fact that education differs by state.

02:02:58.000 Some school districts are doing a fantastic job, some less so.

02:03:01.000 But the idea that every school district, state, and every teacher is somehow indoctrinating people is just false.

02:03:07.000 When I was building a company from scratch, you know, with small town kids, and we went, you know, grew up in a town of 300, but we built a global company in 132 countries with over 100,000 customers.

02:03:07.000 Whoa.

02:03:18.000 We listened to those customers.

02:03:19.000 We spent time with them.

02:03:20.000 We talked to them.

02:03:21.000 We did that.

02:03:22.000 And as governor, well, education is one of the biggest parts of the state budget.

02:03:25.000 So as a governor, I go.

02:03:27.000 I shadow a student.

02:03:28.000 The night before I find out the students, the student finds out I'm going to go to every class with them.

02:03:33.000 I don't sit and lecture school districts how to do it.

02:03:35.000 I go and see the experience.

02:03:36.000 And there's a lot of things that have to change. 1.00

02:03:38.000 But what needs to change is exactly who they are with women's classrooms. 0.99

02:03:42.000 We're doing it the same way we did it 50 years ago with innovation, not regulation. 1.00

02:03:46.000 I would get rid of the Department of Education.

02:03:48.000 I would give block grants to schools, but I'd give them on merit based on who's doing the most innovative.

02:03:53.000 I just got done holding the seventh annual governor's conference on innovation education.

02:03:57.000 You should see what the people are doing when you get, you cut loose the red tape, get the burden off their back.

02:04:02.000 They care.

02:04:03.000 Teachers in this country, the vast majority of them care about those kids.

02:04:07.000 They're working in low-paying jobs, and they're fighting for those kids and their families.

02:04:11.000 Governor Haley said that this is the women's issue of our time.

02:04:15.000 First, I'll tell you, as a parent, the one thing you want is for your child to have a better life than you did.

02:04:22.000 And we can talk about all of these things, and there's a lot of crazy, woke things happening in schools, but we've got to get these kids reading.

02:04:29.000 If a child can't read by third grade, they're four times less likely to graduate high school.

02:04:34.000 So we need to make sure we bring in reading remediation all over this country.

02:04:38.000 We need transparency in the classroom because parents should never have to wonder what's being said or taught to their children in the classroom.

02:04:45.000 Parents need to be deciding which schools their kids go to because they know best.

02:04:50.000 And let's put vocational classes back into the high schools. 0.96

02:04:53.000 Let's teach our kids to build things again.

02:04:56.000 When we do that and we allow that innovation, that's when it'll get back.

02:05:00.000 And yes, I will always say I'm going to fight for girls all day long because strong girls become strong women.

02:05:08.000 Strong women become strong leaders.

02:05:09.000 And biological boys don't belong in the locker rooms of any of our schools.

02:05:14.000 We're going to start the lightning round.

02:05:17.000 And the first question is going to go to you, Vice President.

02:05:20.000 So this is a lightning round of questions.

02:05:22.000 30-second answers, please.

02:05:24.000 President Biden will be 82 years old on Inauguration Day.

02:05:29.000 Nearly 70% of Americans say that he is too old to serve.

02:05:34.000 Should presidents have to pass a mental and physical test in order to serve Vice President Pence?

02:05:42.000 Well, it might be a good idea to have everybody in Washington, D.C. pass a mental test.

02:05:51.000 30 seconds, no.

02:05:52.000 The American people can make those judgments.

02:05:54.000 But let me say, I'm running for president of the United States because we don't need a president who's too old.

02:05:59.000 We don't care about Ukraine. 0.90

02:06:01.000 And we don't need a president who's too young.

02:06:03.000 We need a president who's been there.

02:06:06.000 We need a president who knows how Congress works, how the White House works, how we make it.

02:06:13.000 I was fighting against No Child Left Behind when Republicans were doubling the Department of Education.

02:06:18.000 I'll also shut down the federal Department of Education.

02:06:21.000 And when I was governor, we doubled the size of the largest school choice program in America, and we'll give school choice to every family in America.

02:06:31.000 So we're not in the White House.

02:06:32.000 This is a lightning round, Mr. Ramaswamy.

02:06:34.000 I think you were mentioned there.

02:06:35.000 You're 38.

02:06:36.000 You're the youngest on the stage.

02:06:38.000 You've said, and you just said you want a civics test or public service for those under 25 to be able to vote.

02:06:43.000 So the question is: do you want a mental acuity test for Presidents?

02:06:48.000 I keep the people this picture to tell the difference between somebody who's an automaton and somebody who's actually a thinking agent in the White House, which we don't have in there today.

02:06:48.000 I do.

02:06:57.000 And I will tell you, I want to address Vice President Pence's comment.

02:07:00.000 I think we do need somebody of a different generation to lead this nation forward.

02:07:04.000 Look at the way I've run this campaign.

02:07:06.000 Go into the south side of Chicago, to Kensington, in the middle of Philadelphia, where traditional Republican candidates don't go.

02:07:13.000 We have an opportunity to build a multi-ethnic working-class majority to deliver a landslide. 0.98

02:07:19.000 And I think I'm the only candidate in this race, young or old, black or white, to bring all of those voters along to deliver a Reagan 1980 revolution.

02:07:27.000 We're going to do it in 2020.

02:07:28.000 Same question, David.

02:07:29.000 I'm going to now vote in a presidential election until 2021.

02:07:33.000 I will answer that.

02:07:34.000 I will answer that.

02:07:35.000 30 seconds quick answer.

02:07:39.000 Everybody's going to get in a moment.

02:07:40.000 Listen, listen, we're getting control of the debate.

02:07:43.000 This is a lightning round, not rolling thunder.

02:07:46.000 Governor Hutchinson, you have 30 seconds on the same question.

02:07:50.000 On education, first of all, look at Arkansas.

02:07:52.000 We have to compete with China. 0.99

02:07:53.000 I built computer science education.

02:07:56.000 We led the nation.

02:07:57.000 We actually think they're doing education.

02:07:59.000 We're like global 1100 students.

02:08:01.000 We're going to have to get 23,000 students taking it.

02:08:03.000 This is how you compete with China. 0.96

02:08:05.000 As president of the United States, I will make sure we go from 51% of our schools offering computer science to every school in rural areas and urban areas offering computer science for the benefit of our kids.

02:08:18.000 And we can compete with China in terms of technology. 0.68

02:08:22.000 By the president of the United States, this is coming to you.

02:08:26.000 We're trying to do a quick round of different topics here.

02:08:29.000 So, Senator Scott, faith is on decline in this country.

02:08:33.000 You talked about it a little bit before tonight.

02:08:35.000 So, is there a role for a president of the United States in changing that?

02:08:40.000 What would you do to change that?

02:08:42.000 Well, our nation was founded upon the Judeo-Christian values that has made this the greatest nation on God's green earth.

02:08:48.000 I'm a big believer in Ephesians 3:20, that God is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or imagine.

02:08:54.000 Our responsibility should be to model the behavior we want others to follow.

02:09:00.000 On education, the only way we change education in this nation is to break the backs of the teachers' unions.

02:09:08.000 They are standing in the doorhouse of our kids, locking them into failing schools and locking them out of the greatest future they could have.

02:09:20.000 As president, Governor DeSantis, would you support some mandatory military service for all Americans?

02:09:25.000 I think it should be voluntary.

02:09:26.000 I'm somebody that volunteered to serve inspired by September 11th, and I deployed to Iraq alongside U.S. Navy SEALs and places like Fallujah, Ramadi.

02:09:37.000 And it's something that I think has taught me: you know, when you go in that type of environment, anything you have, your personal agenda, you check it out.

02:09:45.000 From the door, you go there, and it's about focusing on vision above all else.

02:09:50.000 The entire movement was going forward and done.

02:09:53.000 I just remember I would view this in the United States.

02:09:57.000 It's not about all these other side issues.

02:10:00.000 My sister's successful would have been here.

02:10:02.000 It's your future and reversing this.

02:10:05.000 We not take Trump for granted ever again.

02:10:07.000 I mean, this is all just the same thing back and forth and back and forth.

02:10:10.000 Governor Christie, do you believe that the recent spike in UFO encounters?

02:10:17.000 I get the UFO question.

02:10:19.000 Come on, man.

02:10:21.000 But, okay, we've been hearing a lot of, we've hearing a lot of testimony in Congress, and people are taking this a lot more seriously.

02:10:28.000 And we're hearing that, you know, there are things going on that people aren't aware of.

02:10:33.000 So, if you were president, are you a UAP, Chris Christie?

02:10:37.000 Level with the American people about what the government knows about these possible, and especially coming from a woman from New Jersey. 0.78

02:10:47.000 I think it's horrible that just because I'm from New Jersey, you asked me about unidentified flying objects and Martians.

02:10:55.000 We're different, but we're not that different.

02:10:58.000 Look, of course, the job of the president of the United States is to level with the American people about everything.

02:11:06.000 The job of the president of the United States is to stand for truth.

02:11:10.000 The job of the president of the United States is to be a role model for our children and our grandchildren.

02:11:17.000 And so, whether it was UFOs or this problem of education, and Tim's right, by the way, and I started this in 2010 by going right after the teachers' unions in New Jersey and drove them down to an all-time low popularity rating because they were putting themselves before our kids.

02:11:33.000 That is the biggest threat to our country, not UFOs.

02:11:37.000 Okay.

02:11:38.000 Well, coming up, we've got closing arguments.

02:11:41.000 Plus, right after the debate, Hannity is live from the spin room right here.

02:11:45.000 We're going to continue our stream too, everybody.

02:11:47.000 So, don't go anywhere.

02:11:48.000 We're going to all right.

02:11:49.000 So, Tyler, can you elaborate who the heck is actually in the audience here?

02:11:55.000 I mean, they're applauding like when Chris Christie says we need to like indict Trump.

02:11:59.000 Half the audience is applauding.

02:12:01.000 Who are these people?

02:12:02.000 Yeah, so let me.

02:12:04.000 So, on the floor is the RNC and the RNC guests.

02:12:08.000 So, that's the floor that's like right in front of the stage.

02:12:11.000 That's where my empty seat is, is right, right in there.

02:12:15.000 So, and then along the wings, you have all of the candidates have brought their as many people as they could.

02:12:22.000 I mean, this is Pfizer Forum.

02:12:23.000 This is where they play the Milwaukee Bucks games, right?

02:12:26.000 So, this is where I got carded by the NBA for standing up and counting down to Giannis.

02:12:32.000 So, this is a huge, huge venue.

02:12:35.000 They could basically have brought, they could have filled this thing with like 20,000 people.

02:12:40.000 They only brought a few thousand people, a lot of few thousand people in, and it's mostly campaign staff and supporters.

02:12:46.000 So, yeah, so to the point that I think Jack brought up, or I think Blake brought up here, was like, there's no Trump supporters in there.

02:12:54.000 And these guys are still getting booed about Trump stuff.

02:12:58.000 So, yeah, so each campaign gets tickets.

02:13:00.000 That's obvious, right?

02:13:02.000 And but then, but then also like the very moderate consultants get a bunch of tickets.

02:13:07.000 It's so clear because, I mean, we know the base super well.

02:13:10.000 The RNC has to answer for this.

02:13:12.000 This is not a Republican debate.

02:13:13.000 Donald Trump has 60% support in this primary.

02:13:17.000 6-0%.

02:13:19.000 It's more than that, Charlie.

02:13:21.000 It's more than that because of the undecided, the frontrunner always gets about 50% of the undecided.

02:13:28.000 Yes.

02:13:30.000 So there's about 20, there's about 15, between 10 and 15% underscores.

02:13:35.000 So Trump is really actually, I've seen polls between 60 and 65%.

02:13:39.000 He's actually closer to 70% now at this point, based off of the historical precedents of undecided voters.

02:13:47.000 Jack, you're here for a second.

02:13:48.000 Then we're going to cut back in when they get back.

02:13:49.000 Jack?

02:13:51.000 Yeah, one thing I've noticed, though, is clearly if you're talking about candidates with standouts, it's going to be Vivek.

02:13:57.000 But I've noticed that he and DeSantis have largely steered clear of each other.

02:14:01.000 I think he had sort of a pre-planned nickname for him.

02:14:05.000 You keep saying super packed puppet, super packed puppet, which is, it's okay.

02:14:09.000 I don't know if it really lands, though, because it's kind of wonky.

02:14:12.000 I don't, I just, as a nickname, the analysis there, I just don't think it's a great nickname.

02:14:16.000 It's something that you have to explain a couple of times.

02:14:18.000 And any nickname that you have to explain isn't a very good one.

02:14:21.000 But that being said, there really only seems to be one candidate who's got any fight up there, and that's Vivek.

02:14:27.000 The other ones, they only seem to, well, if we're fun with some of them, like Aza Hutchinson and Chris Christie, the only time they ever get actually activated is now, obviously, when Chris Christie sees a cream buff or when he gets the opportunity to attack Donald Trump.

02:14:41.000 So you can tell that these guys are absolutely being propped up by the same forces that want to see this ticket split to stop Trump from being able to scoop up the nomination.

02:14:51.000 But at the same time, you know what else I haven't heard from anyone?

02:14:54.000 An actual explanation of reading the room and understanding that none of these candidates are anywhere near in contention for actually winning the presidency.

02:15:04.000 It's like they're all going through this situation like it's completely meaningless.

02:15:08.000 And I just got to say, you know what?

02:15:10.000 Charlie, look, look, I thought this when DeSantis was giving a speech last year, what he said again.

02:15:17.000 Does he not understand that the Iraq war is incredibly unpopular?

02:15:21.000 That Americans are the same thing that took place. 0.99

02:15:26.000 At Turning Point Action Conference, 95% of our attendees said no more money to Ukraine.

02:15:31.000 And they're all like shocked, shocked that neoliberalism is on the way out, on the way out of the Republican Party.

02:15:40.000 Are they coming back?

02:15:41.000 They got to be because they're almost done and they have to get closing statements in.

02:15:45.000 Let's throw back to them, guys.

02:15:48.000 Not yet.

02:15:49.000 They're still doing Ukraine commercials.

02:15:51.000 Not a joke, actually.

02:15:52.000 So I just want to say one thing.

02:15:54.000 I cannot get over.

02:15:58.000 The most surprising thing for me tonight is the lack of DeSantis' show up.

02:16:04.000 Like he is just simply not elevating.

02:16:08.000 This is not his medium.

02:16:10.000 I mean, I love DeSantis in front of in a press conference, like ripping on reporters when he's the man.

02:16:16.000 But when he has to compete for alpha status, like I just, it's just not his medium.

02:16:20.000 And the guys on the team will tell you, I'm very, very favorable towards DeSantis in general.

02:16:27.000 And so I'm personally very surprised that DeSantis is just simply not wowing me.

02:16:34.000 He's not having his breakout moment.

02:16:37.000 He's a good governor.

02:16:38.000 He's not good at the one-upsmanship or debate or any of that.

02:16:41.000 That's right.

02:16:42.000 Yes?

02:16:45.000 Look, there's managers and there's leaders.

02:16:47.000 I'm just going to say it.

02:16:47.000 There's managers and then there's leaders.

02:16:49.000 Okay, let's cut back and then we're going to have a post-stream.

02:16:53.000 The second Republican presidential debate on September 27th.

02:16:57.000 It looks pretty nice there.

02:16:59.000 20 years ago, 70% of American adults said they were extremely proud to be an American.

02:17:07.000 That number has now plummeted to just 39%.

02:17:11.000 In his pitch to get to the Oval Office, President Reagan called America the shining city on a hill, a beacon of hope and optimism.

02:17:19.000 So in your closing statement tonight, please tell American voters why you are the person who can inspire this nation to a better day.

02:17:28.000 These are 45 seconds, and we begin with Governor Bergham.

02:17:34.000 I understand why America's hurting.

02:17:36.000 Biden's inflation is choking us.

02:17:39.000 I grew up in a small town.

02:17:40.000 My dad died when I was a freshman in high school.

02:17:43.000 My mom, widow of three, went back to work.

02:17:46.000 Every job I had growing up was one where I took a shower at the end of the day, not at the beginning of the day.

02:17:53.000 Our cities are less safe because of the fentanyl pouring into this country.

02:17:57.000 Our economy is being crushed by Biden's energy policies, which are raising the cost of every product you buy, not just the gasoline at the pump.

02:18:05.000 One thing that I'll do as president, I'll secure the border.

02:18:09.000 I'll get this economy sprinting, not crawling like it is right now.

02:18:13.000 And I would say that other thing is for sure.

02:18:16.000 When I'm on a horseback in the Badlands of North Dakota, it looks like the horizon is just limitless.

02:18:22.000 And when you can almost see beyond that horizon, you can see that this great country, our future is unlimited.

02:18:28.000 But we've got to focus on innovation, not regulation.

02:18:31.000 We've got to cut the red tape.

02:18:32.000 We've got to drive ourselves toward the way we win the Cold War with China is by growing our economy and through innovation.

02:18:38.000 And as president, I will bring out the best of America.

02:18:42.000 I will improve every American life.

02:18:45.000 You're back on your horse soon, Governor.

02:18:48.000 Governor Hutchinson.

02:18:50.000 Our nation is in trouble.

02:18:52.000 And it's in trouble because of failed leadership.

02:18:55.000 And the solution is not four more years of Joseph Biden.

02:18:59.000 The solution is not four more years of Donald Trump.

02:19:03.000 The solution is new leadership that can bring bold ideas to America and to bring out the best of America.

02:19:11.000 A president's number one responsibility is to bring out the best of our people.

02:19:17.000 That's what Ronald Reagan did.

02:19:19.000 And he did it with optimism and hope for our country, with a consistent conservatism.

02:19:25.000 That's exactly what I bring.

02:19:27.000 As president, I'll bring out the best of America in terms of individual responsibility, building our economy, in terms of securing our border, enforcing the rule of law.

02:19:39.000 I'll bring out the best of America in terms of our national character, our faith, and our hope for the future.

02:19:45.000 Join in this fight, ASA2024.com.

02:19:49.000 Senator Scott.

02:19:49.000 Thank you.

02:19:50.000 The website plug.

02:19:52.000 Thank you.

02:19:53.000 I was a disillusioned young man growing up in a single-parent household mired in poverty.

02:19:58.000 I wondered if the American dream was real for a kid like me.

02:20:02.000 I can stand before you today and say the dream is alive, it is well, and it is healthy.

02:20:09.000 I have the good fortune of a mom who works 16-hour days making sure we have food on our tables.

02:20:13.000 She taught me that if you're able-bodied in America, you work.

02:20:17.000 If you take out a loan, you pay it back.

02:20:19.000 You commit a violent crime, you go to jail.

02:20:22.000 And if God made you a man, you play sports against men. 0.92

02:20:29.000 I'm Tim Scott.

02:20:30.000 I'm asking you for your vote.

02:20:32.000 And if you're in Iowa, I'm asking you to caucus for me.

02:20:35.000 You can go to votetimscott.com for more information or to make a contribution.

02:20:41.000 Governor Chrissy.

02:20:42.000 But wait, there's Moe.

02:20:44.000 Thank you, Brett.

02:20:45.000 Thank you, Martha.

02:20:46.000 Look, everybody on this stage wants to be the next president of the United States.

02:20:50.000 And the only way that's going to happen is if we beat Joe Biden.

02:20:54.000 I'm the only one on this stage who's ever beaten the Democratic incumbent in the election.

02:20:58.000 I did it in a deep blue state, being outspent three to one.

02:21:02.000 Beating a Democratic incumbent is not easy.

02:21:05.000 The last Democratic incumbent president who was defeated was Jimmy Carter.

02:21:09.000 And he was defeated by a conservative governor from a blue state who knew how to get results, who stood for the truth, who cared about accountability, and stood strong and hard against waste.

02:21:22.000 Those are the very things that I did in my eight years as governor of New Jersey.

02:21:26.000 And it's exactly what I'll do as president of the United States.

02:21:30.000 Believe me, the Democrats want some other nominee who's never beaten the Democratic incumbent.

02:21:36.000 I'm the one who can win this race.

02:21:38.000 And if you give me the chance, I will restore our country by winning it.

02:21:41.000 Thank you.

02:21:42.000 Governor Haley.

02:21:46.000 Several weeks ago, I dropped my husband, Michael, a combat veteran from Afghanistan, off at 4 a.m. for another year-long deployment.

02:21:56.000 I watched him and 230 soldiers pick up their two duffel bags of belongings to go to a country they had never been, all in the name of protecting America.

02:22:07.000 If they are willing to protect us from there, we should be willing to fight for America here.

02:22:14.000 I will beat Joe Biden, and he knows that.

02:22:17.000 I will strengthen our economy and we'll bring this inflation down.

02:22:20.000 We will put transparency in the classroom.

02:22:22.000 We will secure our borders.

02:22:24.000 We will have the backs of our law enforcement and we will make sure we have a strong national security.

02:22:30.000 And once again, we will make sure we have an America that is strong and proud.

02:22:34.000 We have a country to save.

02:22:36.000 Go to nikihaley.com and let's get it done.

02:22:36.000 Join us.

02:22:41.000 Vice President Pass. 1.00

02:22:43.000 She definitely brought in her supporters.

02:22:47.000 Thank you, Brad and Martha, for this evening.

02:22:50.000 It's an honor to be here.

02:22:52.000 Joe Biden has weakened America at home and abroad.

02:22:57.000 The disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan, their war on energy, runaway spending that launched the worst inflation in 40 years, a crisis at our southern border, an assault on our values and liberties. 1.00

02:23:09.000 And the American people have had enough.

02:23:10.000 I need that pillow, Jack.

02:23:11.000 But I know we can bring it back.

02:23:13.000 But different times call for different leadership.

02:23:16.000 The Republican Party owes the American people the choice.

02:23:20.000 Proven leadership at the national level that knows how to move a conservative agenda forward.

02:23:25.000 We proved in the Trump Pence years you can turn this country around faster than you can imagine.

02:23:29.000 And I have faith we will again.

02:23:31.000 Because I have faith in the American people.

02:23:33.000 This whole decent, hardworking, faith-filled idea is a regular country.

02:23:37.000 And I have faith with the guns done with America.

02:23:41.000 And if we will renew our faith in one another and renew our faith in him who has ever guided this nation since we arrived on these wilderness shores, I know the best days for the greatest nation on earth are yet to come.

02:23:54.000 Thank you.

02:23:55.000 Mr. Ramaswamy.

02:23:56.000 I was born in 1985, and I grew up into a generation where we were taught to celebrate our diversity and our differences so much that we forgot all of the ways we are really just the same as Americans bound by a common set of ideals that set this nation into motion in 1776.

02:24:16.000 The diversity is not our moment to revive those common ideals. 1.00

02:24:21.000 God is real.

02:24:22.000 There are two genders. 0.94

02:24:23.000 Fossil fuels are a requirement for human prosperity. 0.97

02:24:27.000 Reverse racism is racism.

02:24:30.000 An open border is not a border.

02:24:32.000 Parents determine the education of their children.

02:24:36.000 The nuclear family is the greatest form of governance known to man.

02:24:40.000 Capitalism lifts us up from poverty.

02:24:43.000 There are three branches of government, not four.

02:24:47.000 And the U.S. Constitution, it is the strongest guarantor of freedom in human history.

02:24:52.000 That is what won us the American Revolution.

02:24:55.000 That is what will win us the revolution of 2024.

02:24:59.000 Thanks for letting me introduce myself tonight.

02:25:01.000 Thank you.

02:25:03.000 Governor DeSantis.

02:25:11.000 Governor?

02:25:12.000 This is our time for choosing.

02:25:15.000 We will send Joe Biden back to Santa Cruz.

02:25:18.000 That will be the decline of this country.

02:25:20.000 I'm a blue-collar kid.

02:25:22.000 I work minimum wage jobs to be able to make ends meet.

02:25:25.000 I understand the importance of the American dream, and I know how that slipped away from so many millions of Americans.

02:25:31.000 We'll restore it.

02:25:32.000 I'm a veteran who served in Iraq.

02:25:34.000 I know what it means to put service above self.

02:25:36.000 I'm also a dad and a husband to six, five, and three-year-old.

02:25:39.000 I understand the importance of protecting parents' rights and the well-being of our children.

02:25:44.000 In Florida, we showed it could be done.

02:25:47.000 I made promises, and I delivered on all of those promises.

02:25:50.000 2024 is make or break.

02:25:52.000 We're not getting a mulligan.

02:25:54.000 No excuses.

02:25:56.000 I will get the job done.

02:25:57.000 And as your president, I will not let you down.

02:26:00.000 God bless you all.

02:26:02.000 God bless you all. 0.99

02:26:05.000 Did he just say bullshit tonight? 0.98

02:26:08.000 And thank you to Milwaukee did. 0.99

02:26:09.000 Thank you, everybody.

02:26:10.000 We will see you on the campaign trail from debates to primaries to the general election.

02:26:15.000 Did Asa Hutchinson get a closing statement?

02:26:17.000 I don't even remember.

02:26:21.000 Let's cut.

02:26:21.000 All right.

02:26:22.000 Okay, well, that was quite a thing.

02:26:25.000 Welcome, everybody.

02:26:26.000 Now that the debate is over, we are going to give you our thoughts.

02:26:29.000 Let's just talk about the obvious.

02:26:33.000 The Republican Party without Trump is a total disaster.

02:26:36.000 Jack Posobiec, Charlie, you know, one of the things, and I said this on the show on Human Events earlier this week, that, you know, I was really looking forward to tonight was: okay, this is a look at the bench, right?

02:26:50.000 Four years from now, five years from now, six years, whatever it is, President Trump, after his second term, we're going to be looking at the Republican bench.

02:26:57.000 We're going to be looking at the movement.

02:26:58.000 And supposedly, these are the brightest luminaries.

02:27:01.000 And I got to tell you, some of them look like burned out bulbs up there sitting or like a, you know, a smoke detector where the battery hasn't been changed.

02:27:09.000 I mean, this is the best we have, really.

02:27:11.000 I mean, I see some, I will say, I see some lights.

02:27:14.000 I see some interest there, but by and large, this does not look like a good bench.

02:27:20.000 And I think that the Republican Party really needs to get its act together and start attracting new blood into the system because, quite frankly, if this is all we got, we're going to get absolutely bored going into 2028.

02:27:34.000 I thought the Republican Party could become a regional party again.

02:27:38.000 I thought Vivek was, Andrew, by far the winner of the debate.

02:27:41.000 He understood and read the room the best and the base.

02:27:45.000 And he's going to be the great beneficiary here.

02:27:50.000 Andrew?

02:27:51.000 Yeah, I think a couple things.

02:27:54.000 I think Vivek, hands down, stood out tonight.

02:27:58.000 I think unpopular.

02:27:59.000 This is thought crime.

02:28:01.000 Don't shoot the messenger.

02:28:02.000 It's just my opinion.

02:28:03.000 I think despite sounding like a complete neocon, you know, 90s, early 2000s, Republican, I thought Haley had a couple good moments.

02:28:11.000 I actually agree with that.

02:28:12.000 No, objectively, I agree.

02:28:13.000 I think you're right.

02:28:14.000 Yeah, I think Christie actually was entertaining.

02:28:18.000 This is something that gets under Blake's craw a little bit that we want somebody who can entertain and kind of hold the stage.

02:28:26.000 I mean, is that a qualification to be president?

02:28:31.000 No, not on its face, but if you combine that with know-how and experience, sure.

02:28:35.000 I thought Christie had a couple of good moments.

02:28:37.000 Yeah, but I would say Vivek, Haley, Christie, they all stood out to me.

02:28:44.000 I was entertained when they were on.

02:28:45.000 Honestly, I liked when Mike Pence got on almost as like a foil, though.

02:28:50.000 I again go back to this point.

02:28:53.000 I cannot get over how much Ron DeSantis completely did not show up.

02:28:58.000 And again, you guys know me in the chats.

02:29:01.000 The audience doesn't necessarily know all of my personal opinions.

02:29:05.000 I really, really like DeSantis.

02:29:08.000 I've since I was wavering on whether or not I was a Trump or DeSantis guy early in January, February.

02:29:14.000 I think like a lot of the base, we were sort of expecting to do more.

02:29:17.000 We had some conversations, all right, back around this time.

02:29:20.000 I remember some late.

02:29:23.000 I know our audience is going to like hate me for that.

02:29:24.000 We had conversations about that.

02:29:26.000 I know the audience is going to hate me for that, but I'm just being honest.

02:29:26.000 Yeah.

02:29:29.000 Like, I wasn't sure.

02:29:31.000 Okay.

02:29:32.000 I would say around March or April, I went back to saying, listen, Trump's got this.

02:29:36.000 He's got it.

02:29:37.000 And I'm really disappointed.

02:29:40.000 I was really disappointed when DeSantis did not come out with Alvin Bragg when that indictment fell down and did not stand up and say something very strong.

02:29:49.000 Instead, he kind of.

02:29:50.000 I think that was it.

02:29:51.000 That was the end of his campaign.

02:29:52.000 Yep.

02:29:52.000 Yeah.

02:29:53.000 He ended it right there for me.

02:29:55.000 And I remember I had a reporter call and I said, listen, you mark my words.

02:29:59.000 His polling is going to drop 20, 10, I said 10 to 15, maybe even 20%.

02:30:04.000 People laughed at you, Andrew.

02:30:05.000 Remember, people thought that you were, I mean, like, oh, but we know the base.

02:30:08.000 We speak to the base every single day.

02:30:11.000 They thought I was overstating the issue and I wasn't.

02:30:15.000 And so, again, as somebody that wants to retain DeSantis as a viable candidate for 2028, I want to see him excel.

02:30:23.000 I want to see him have these great moments.

02:30:25.000 I want to see him nip at the heels of Trump.

02:30:28.000 I still think this is Trump's moment.

02:30:30.000 I've become convinced that this is Trump's moment.

02:30:32.000 I want to see him nip at the heels, and I'm just not seeing that.

02:30:35.000 That's my biggest surprise.

02:30:36.000 I'm not surprised that Vivek came out as articulate and commanding.

02:30:40.000 But I was surprised the other candidates came after him as much as they did.

02:30:44.000 I will say that because he was sort of alpha on that stage and they were coming after him.

02:30:50.000 I don't know.

02:30:51.000 That's my take.

02:30:53.000 I'm surprised that DeSantis can't rise to this occasion.

02:30:53.000 I'm just surprised.

02:30:57.000 Glenn Greenwald has a great tweet, Jack.

02:30:59.000 Why don't you read it?

02:30:59.000 Because we're getting so many messages about the audience.

02:31:02.000 And Tyler, I want you to check it.

02:31:04.000 And remember, President Trump called this out when on the very same topic when President Trump was attacking the Reagan Library.

02:31:14.000 It was at the Reagan Library.

02:31:15.000 Yes.

02:31:16.000 And he was calling out Jeb.

02:31:18.000 Well, really, actually, no.

02:31:19.000 So he was in it with Jeb, and then he was calling out George W. Bush.

02:31:23.000 And he said, your brother lied to us and got us into the Iraq war lying about WMDs.

02:31:30.000 Then the entire audience turns on him.

02:31:32.000 The entire audience is booing.

02:31:34.000 And then Trump goes, That's all your donors.

02:31:37.000 That's what the RNC does.

02:31:39.000 They put your donors in here.

02:31:40.000 Listen to this.

02:31:41.000 Glenn Greenwald, who was at the debate tonight, sitting, I believe, next to Marjorie Taylor Greene.

02:31:45.000 Oh, great.

02:31:46.000 Glenn Greenwald just tweeted all the seats that are heard on TV in the middle at the front.

02:31:53.000 So where the microphones are.

02:31:54.000 So in the very front, you're where those microphones are.

02:31:57.000 They're reserved for big GOP donors.

02:32:00.000 Trump pointed out in 2016 when anyone criticizing Jeb got booed, the party establishment connived to maintain control.

02:32:08.000 We just see if we could actually find that clip.

02:32:10.000 I see Tyler's got his pieces of flair.

02:32:12.000 Required pieces of flair, sir.

02:32:15.000 Required pieces of flair.

02:32:16.000 Like a flare right there.

02:32:18.000 Did we spend $17 million on that at Turning Point X?

02:32:24.000 This cost me a dollar to make.

02:32:27.000 I made this for a dollar and I wore it.

02:32:29.000 And I think it's going to save the RNC maybe 10% of our fundraising budget if it was successful.

02:32:36.000 So I thought tonight that DeSantis was going to get attacked the way that Vivek got attacked because I thought DeSantis was going to have to step up.

02:32:46.000 DeSantis was nowhere to be found in this debate.

02:32:48.000 He took this so pedestrian, I think so pedestrian, he's going to drop even more of the polls.

02:32:54.000 Vivek came out as a fighter.

02:32:56.000 So he was the one that got attacked.

02:32:58.000 But Chris Christie did exactly what I thought he was going to do.

02:33:01.000 He tried to dominate the stage.

02:33:02.000 I think it makes him hated. 0.85

02:33:04.000 He's the villain.

02:33:05.000 He's the villain of this story.

02:33:07.000 And everybody else is kind of like forgettable.

02:33:09.000 Nobody remembers.

02:33:10.000 Nobody even thinks about Nikki Haley.

02:33:11.000 Nobody thinks about Tim Scott.

02:33:13.000 So, I mean, Vivek is going to come out and probably bounce like 5%, I think, out of this thing.

02:33:19.000 Yeah, go ahead.

02:33:21.000 If you made a list of the top 10 moments in this debate, would DeSantis even be in any of them?

02:33:28.000 I suspect, no, he just felt invisible to me, to be honest.

02:33:31.000 And that's what he needed.

02:33:34.000 It's what he needed to me.

02:33:35.000 He doesn't have moments.

02:33:36.000 Yeah, it's just.

02:33:38.000 He didn't need that.

02:33:40.000 He didn't need that.

02:33:41.000 DeSantis needed to show up and show that he was presidential material.

02:33:44.000 And I disagree with Andrew.

02:33:46.000 Andrew said that we need DeSantis to be, well, I'm not disagreeing with Andrew, but Andrew said, we need DeSantis to be the guy for 2028.

02:33:54.000 I'm telling you right now, everything I've seen out of DeSantis, he's the candidate from 2012.

02:33:59.000 There's no way he's ever going to get there.

02:34:01.000 He's never going to save it.

02:34:03.000 No, I'd say I think he's definitively done.

02:34:05.000 One, I don't think you're going to fix like Asperger's syndrome.

02:34:10.000 And two, like, it's just, he's going to have a 15% approval.

02:34:15.000 I'm not going to be waiting when all is said and done, Karen.

02:34:17.000 That's just how it happens.

02:34:18.000 This is how it unfolds within the Republican Party now.

02:34:21.000 Are you regrowing the beard, by the way?

02:34:23.000 No, I just, I am in South Dakota and I didn't bring a razor with me.

02:34:26.000 So just write it.

02:34:28.000 Girl mustache. 0.91

02:34:29.000 Grow my swingers. 0.82

02:34:31.000 And all right.

02:34:33.000 Do we have some Vivek clips?

02:34:35.000 I think we do, right?

02:34:36.000 We got some.

02:34:36.000 And by the way, there are some spicy Vivek Nikki Haley memes.

02:34:40.000 Very spicy Vivek Nikki memes, but we will not show them.

02:34:45.000 We will not show them.

02:34:47.000 You can't.

02:34:47.000 No, Charlie, I didn't send that to you for the size of the.

02:34:54.000 No, I'm actually going to go back and delete that now.

02:34:56.000 It's very, very spicy.

02:34:58.000 I already saw that.

02:34:59.000 That was an accident.

02:35:00.000 That was an accident.

02:35:01.000 I didn't mean to send that.

02:35:03.000 I already saved it.

02:35:04.000 I don't know what you're talking about.

02:35:06.000 So.

02:35:09.000 Charlie has an alternate Twitter, Twitter, and Telegram channel that no one will ever know.

02:35:13.000 I feel bad inside of these.

02:35:15.000 Play Cut 99.

02:35:17.000 Play Cut 99.

02:35:18.000 Vivek the Slayer.

02:35:20.000 And so the reality is more people are dying of bad climate change policies than they are of actual climate change.

02:35:27.000 Governor Haley, are you bought this down by 100?

02:35:30.000 Hold on.

02:35:31.000 Listen, listen.

02:35:32.000 No, hold on, hold on.

02:35:34.000 I've had enough.

02:35:35.000 I've had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds like Chat GPT standing up here.

02:35:44.000 And the last person in one of these debates, Brett, who stood in the middle of the stage and said, what's a skinny guy with an odd last name doing up here was Barack Obama.

02:35:55.000 And I'm afraid we're dealing with the same type of amateur Senate stage tonight.

02:35:59.000 Give me a hug.

02:36:01.000 Give me a hug just like you did to Obama.

02:36:04.000 And you'll help elect me just like you did to Obama too.

02:36:07.000 Give me that type of amateur.

02:36:09.000 I love the give me a hug.

02:36:10.000 I love the give me a hug just like Obama.

02:36:13.000 Just like you did to Obama and help him win the election.

02:36:15.000 Let's play cut 98.

02:36:16.000 Let's keep going through it.

02:36:18.000 What is that?

02:36:19.000 There was a meme flash.

02:36:20.000 No, then we'll do the meme flash.

02:36:27.000 That's it.

02:36:28.000 It's gone.

02:36:28.000 It's like Snapchat.

02:36:29.000 It's like it's Snapchat.

02:36:31.000 It shows it for two seconds and go.

02:36:33.000 And then go.

02:36:33.000 If you're listening on podcast, I don't know what to tell you.

02:36:38.000 This podcast is just a message.

02:36:39.000 This is so bad.

02:36:41.000 Just not going to make it.

02:36:42.000 Play cut 98.

02:36:43.000 Lord Indra strike down these neocon. 0.97

02:36:46.000 Play 98.

02:36:48.000 No, I'm ready to get raising hands.

02:36:50.000 Let us be honest as Republicans.

02:36:52.000 I'm the only person on the stage who isn't bought and paid for, so I can say this.

02:36:55.000 The climate change agenda is a hoax.

02:36:59.000 The climate change agenda is a hoax.

02:37:01.000 And we have to display our independent school.

02:37:04.000 And the reality is, the anti-carbon agenda is the wet blanket on our economy.

02:37:09.000 So what are they booing exactly?

02:37:12.000 Were they booing the idea that he wasn't the only one bought or were they booing the climate change thing?

02:37:17.000 Anybody?

02:37:18.000 I think he was boo.

02:37:20.000 I think they were boo.

02:37:21.000 Again, the donors remember what was said, right?

02:37:24.000 The donors are the front row.

02:37:25.000 And so he was saying, everybody here is bought and paid for.

02:37:29.000 And so the donors are going, boo, Vivek.

02:37:34.000 I'm never going to support Vivek.

02:37:35.000 I support Nikki.

02:37:37.000 Like, that's the first three rows, right?

02:37:38.000 Like, that's why Nikki has an overwhelming presence here.

02:37:42.000 Nikki remembers best friends with Rana.

02:37:45.000 Nikki's like Rana's BFF.

02:37:47.000 They like literally talk all the time. 0.81

02:37:49.000 So she has like a significant overwhelming presence in this stadium.

02:37:53.000 It's crazy.

02:37:55.000 Yeah, I mean, one of the top things I've received emails is just how disgusting the audience is, how the audience is just configured.

02:38:06.000 Cut 107.

02:38:07.000 This was play cut 107.

02:38:09.000 This is live.

02:38:10.000 Vivek responds to criticisms about his honor.

02:38:13.000 Play cut 107.

02:38:42.000 That's Chris Christie going for the bunch kids.

02:38:47.000 It's okay.

02:38:48.000 We're on Rumble, Blake.

02:38:49.000 We're not on radio.

02:38:50.000 Oh my gosh.

02:38:51.000 I shouldn't laugh that hard.

02:38:52.000 All right, so hey, I want to address, I want to address something with Vivek.

02:38:56.000 I'm getting a lot of this.

02:38:57.000 I think, Blake, you were mentioning you were in a chat that was having this response to Vivek.

02:39:01.000 I mean, a lot of people, and there was actually some comments, Charlie, in your Twitter feed about how Vivek comes off kind of like a young whipper snapper, like a twerp.

02:39:11.000 I think that chat GPT line.

02:39:16.000 Yeah, what's that, Jack?

02:39:18.000 No, I was just saying, yeah, there's a, there's a, there, I think there's a generational thing, right?

02:39:22.000 That same type of language.

02:39:24.000 You know, this guy comes across like a young whipper snapper.

02:39:27.000 I mean, like, look at the people on this show right now, right?

02:39:30.000 You know, I don't think any of us are over 40, right?

02:39:34.000 So to be clear, this was young friends of mine who were saying this.

02:39:37.000 They're all in like my age range.

02:39:39.000 And they were, it was that, like, it seemed like he was interrupting a lot throughout the debate more than other people.

02:39:45.000 And that the one line a friend of mine said is it was like he was really trying, he was like an aggressive salesman.

02:39:51.000 He was trying to sell me something in a way that was not entirely flattering.

02:39:55.000 On the other hand, I have a friend whose wife, until tonight, did not know that Trump had been indicted.

02:40:02.000 And she thought Vivek was great.

02:40:04.000 So we can take that for what we're doing.

02:40:06.000 I think the takeaway is total chaos.

02:40:08.000 Vivek won, but like there's no winner because Trump is up 50, right?

02:40:12.000 Yeah.

02:40:13.000 Right?

02:40:14.000 So, yeah, but Vivek showed something really important.

02:40:19.000 I think the turning point for Trump back in 2015, 2016 was when Trump showed that he could take on all these people at the same time.

02:40:29.000 So Vivek was up there.

02:40:31.000 Vivek was up there taking on Mike Pence and taking on Chris Christie and taking on Nikki Haley.

02:40:38.000 And so I'm telling you right now, what's going to come out of this is people are going to go, oh my gosh, I really like Vivek.

02:40:44.000 You know why?

02:40:44.000 Because he smiled and laughed at Chris Christie while he was going after him.

02:40:50.000 He smiled and laughed at Nikki Haley, who's a neocon, who was like arguing for Ukraine and world war.

02:40:56.000 He smiled and laughed at Mike Pence because Mike Pence said, I'll go slower for you because little brown man. 1.00

02:41:02.000 Like this is so bad.

02:41:04.000 It was like, what are you, the help Vivek?

02:41:07.000 Like, whoa, Mike.

02:41:11.000 It reminded me of that.

02:41:14.000 It reminded me of that.

02:41:16.000 Oh, go ahead, Tyler.

02:41:17.000 Go ahead.

02:41:18.000 I was just going to say this one thing. 0.96

02:41:19.000 Remember all the view when What's Your Face Osborne was like, Donald Trump, if you kick out all the Mexicans, who's going to clean your toilet?

02:41:27.000 It was like a much more, it was much more nuanced thing. 0.99

02:41:32.000 But it was like, basically, Mike Pence did the same thing in a much more nuanced way, which was like, I'll go slower for you, you dumb little. 0.98

02:41:41.000 In a serious country, most of these candidates would actually be scrubbing toilets rather than anywhere near their presidency.

02:41:47.000 But when it really comes down to it, I think one of the reasons that Vivek, and maybe this isn't for everybody, and I get that, but I think one of the reasons that he's able to resonate is that he's actually like some of these candidates talk about like it's some kind of bygone era, like it's the 1980s, and oh, we're just going to focus on the debt ceiling and we're going to focus on tax reform.

02:42:09.000 But he actually seems like he's dealing with the country as it currently is.

02:42:15.000 He feels like he actually lives in the world and is talking about things that are going on all around us.

02:42:21.000 I mean, he's the only one who actually addressed the prosecution of Trump in the way that I think it deserves.

02:42:27.000 What's funny?

02:42:27.000 It's funny.

02:42:28.000 This is so good show that Ryan put it up on screen.

02:42:33.000 A new picture has been found in the archives.

02:42:35.000 Oh, no.

02:42:36.000 Oh, no.

02:42:37.000 In 1992, Donald Trump was trying to build Trump Tower, New Delhi.

02:42:41.000 Oh, no.

02:42:43.000 Oh, no.

02:42:45.000 When he was trying to build Trump Tower, New Delhi, he bends over to a very awfully impressive young man and says, one day you will fight my fights for me.

02:42:58.000 You will be my vice president.

02:43:01.000 Okay, all right.

02:43:03.000 Go ahead, Bray.

02:43:04.000 Well, I think there is a question that will emerge.

02:43:07.000 There is a question that has to come out here, which is like, okay, Vivek did the best here.

02:43:12.000 DeSantis didn't do great.

02:43:13.000 So let's say that plays out.

02:43:15.000 DeSantis drops in the polls.

02:43:17.000 Vivek goes up, gains momentum.

02:43:19.000 We actually have to look towards a reality where Vivek is polling at 25, 30%.

02:43:24.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:43:25.000 They've got the narrative.

02:43:26.000 He's rising.

02:43:27.000 And so the question that they didn't ask him at this debate, and I wish someone would ask him, is one, like, okay, Vivek, you're the most pro-Trump guy of all these candidates.

02:43:37.000 Why are you running against Trump?

02:43:39.000 What is your reason to people vote for you over Trump?

02:43:42.000 And I'd kind of be interested in seeing that.

02:43:45.000 And I do wonder how does this entire primary play out if suddenly like now you actually have to pick between Vivek and Trump.

02:43:52.000 And it's not just Vivek as this like Trump cheerleader mascot guy in a field of 10 people.

02:43:59.000 Then Trump does what Trump does and Vivek will go down.

02:44:02.000 I'm just being honest.

02:44:03.000 Yeah.

02:44:03.000 But then I do wonder what will that look like?

02:44:05.000 You know, we've said all these nice things about Vivek and then Trump says something funny about Vivek's H-1B visa expiring and then it's just like, you know, blows up all of his popularity.

02:44:16.000 And then where are we then?

02:44:18.000 I don't know.

02:44:19.000 Okay.

02:44:20.000 I mean, you know, go to a piece of tape.

02:44:23.000 Go ahead.

02:44:24.000 I was going to make one point, though.

02:44:26.000 I mean, do we, you know, Trump said he kind of joked on True Social that he wanted to watch the first debate so that he could pick a see if any of them would make a decent vice president candidate.

02:44:35.000 Now, Charlie, you have publicly floated two names, I think, prominently.

02:44:39.000 Ron Johnson and Byron Donalds.

02:44:41.000 Byron Donalds and Ron Johnson.

02:44:43.000 Yeah.

02:44:43.000 Ron Johnson, kind of, we say it's his superpower because he's like super bass, but he's boring and can talk to like the people that were in that audience, right?

02:44:54.000 The donor class get Ron Johnson.

02:44:56.000 They could go like play around a golf with him at the country club.

02:45:00.000 But he's very, very based.

02:45:01.000 He's on our team.

02:45:03.000 And the Byron Donalds, besides that, do we, I mean, do we have any clarity?

02:45:08.000 If you're Donald Trump tonight, do you look at that audience?

02:45:11.000 Do you look at that stage and you say, who could be my number two?

02:45:16.000 Who could be my running mate?

02:45:17.000 None of them.

02:45:18.000 Not a single one of them.

02:45:20.000 None of you?

02:45:21.000 Not even Vivek?

02:45:24.000 Your best people up there are DeSantis, who's 2012.

02:45:29.000 You have Vivek, who's 2032.

02:45:31.000 You have Nikki Haley, who is a distant third, in my opinion, this 2000. 0.98

02:45:37.000 And everybody else is weak, is way too weak And useless. 0.99

02:45:47.000 Let's play. 0.99

02:45:48.000 Sorry, I was.

02:45:49.000 Yeah.

02:45:49.000 Let's hear this.

02:45:50.000 This was probably Vivek's best moment.

02:45:52.000 And honestly, the part that I was looking forward to, which is the foreign policy contrast.

02:45:55.000 Play cut 111, credits of Vivek Ramaswamy.

02:45:58.000 This takes courage.

02:45:59.000 And he was clear about it.

02:46:00.000 And all the other neoliberals, they're all on board for Ukraine first. 0.61

02:46:04.000 Play cut 111.

02:46:06.000 The U.S. has committed nearly $77 billion in aid to the Ukraine war.

02:46:11.000 The administration is now asking Congress for $24 billion more.

02:46:16.000 Regardless of the specifics of that plan, is there anyone on stage who would not support the increase of more funding to Ukraine?

02:46:27.000 We would not support it.

02:46:29.000 Europe needs to step up.

02:46:30.000 I would have Europe step up and do their job.

02:46:33.000 Mr. Ramaswamy.

02:46:36.000 Anyone want to take this?

02:46:37.000 Blake, you know, your own personal feelings side.

02:46:41.000 This is significant.

02:46:41.000 Only one candidate really stands with 95% of the voters.

02:46:45.000 Well, it really does.

02:46:46.000 It stood out to me the most that even on this very easy thing that DeSantis is just not like, he's not alert enough or not paying close enough attention to the questions.

02:46:55.000 So he just sort of has to pause and sort of awkwardly raise his hand.

02:46:59.000 And so he just gets wrecked on this extremely easy thing because Vivek has the energy to just throw his hand up really quickly.

02:47:06.000 And nope, I win this question now because I put my hand up the fastest.

02:47:10.000 And that stood out.

02:47:12.000 That's what stood out the most to me is that like this is an easy freebie where you could have at least tied Vivek on it.

02:47:20.000 And instead, you just let Vivek run away with it.

02:47:22.000 And he's like awkwardly being like, Europe, Europe has to step up more.

02:47:26.000 So wait, do you, what do you even want?

02:47:29.000 And it just looked very blah for him.

02:47:31.000 And that was what, that's what the debate was over and over for DeSantis.

02:47:35.000 It's not that his answers were specifically horrible.

02:47:37.000 They just weren't, they just weren't very good.

02:47:40.000 I, so I screenshotted that on Twitter and it's being, I mean, it's going pretty hyper-viral right now because, and I don't know if you have it.

02:47:49.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:47:49.000 Oh, yeah, the picture.

02:47:50.000 Let's hit that up.

02:47:50.000 We have it.

02:47:51.000 This moment.

02:47:52.000 Do we have the actual picture?

02:47:53.000 Yeah, I got it.

02:47:54.000 I put it.

02:47:54.000 I'm grabbing it.

02:47:55.000 I'm grabbing it.

02:47:55.000 I put it in.

02:47:56.000 Because this is, this really is.

02:47:59.000 All right.

02:47:59.000 Well, we'll talk about it.

02:48:00.000 But I think that when you saw that, it was a natural reaction.

02:48:06.000 And obviously, there are so many moments within these debates that are pre-scripted, that are pre-panned.

02:48:12.000 Every debate does it.

02:48:13.000 Every candidate does it.

02:48:15.000 And I really do think, by the way, that towards the end of the debate, I think DeSantis was getting tired.

02:48:19.000 I think he was getting gassed.

02:48:20.000 And he put his final disclosure quite scripted.

02:48:24.000 So this is a, this is a, and I wrote, this is the difference between a hand raise and a limp wrist.

02:48:31.000 And so you can see the two candidates of which I'm referring.

02:48:35.000 One has his hand raised just the normal way.

02:48:38.000 Someone raised their hand.

02:48:39.000 And the other one is sort of flippantly in the middle, you know, flailing his wrist around, saying, well, I want Europe to do.

02:48:49.000 And it exactly matches.

02:48:51.000 So his body language here actually matches his answer, which is his true answer, where he's not saying he doesn't have the ability to come down on one side or the other on Ukraine because on one hand, he wants to win the nomination.

02:49:05.000 And on the other hand, he is absolutely beholden to super PAC donors.

02:49:10.000 And Vivek Ramaswamy is right about this.

02:49:12.000 He's beholden to these donors who will not let him say that he is beholden to them.

02:49:17.000 And so he's caught in this weird sort of, you know, phantom zone where he can't actually come out and say what needs to be said about Ukraine.

02:49:26.000 Yeah.

02:49:27.000 Okay.

02:49:28.000 Let's play another piece of tape.

02:49:29.000 Anyone have a comment here?

02:49:30.000 We're going to go for a little bit longer, not too much longer, because we all have shows tomorrow.

02:49:34.000 But Tyler, please.

02:49:38.000 I was just going to say, You know, I think coming out of this thing now, you have clear, you basically have a clear four people.

02:49:47.000 I think everybody's going to dismiss Chris Christie as like a reasonable candidate, like even people that like him back east and in the northeast.

02:49:54.000 You've got, you've got Vivek, you've got Nikki Haley, you've got Tim Scott, you've got Mike Pence, and you've got Ron DeSantis.

02:50:03.000 So you got five.

02:50:04.000 And I think that's probably if the RC is smart, they'll narrow the field so they actually have a debate in the future and maybe can get Trump there.

02:50:14.000 But they're not going to do that.

02:50:15.000 And so what I think is going to end up happening is you're going to see more divide.

02:50:20.000 I think people are going to really come away from this thing and go, I miss Trump.

02:50:24.000 I want to see Trump.

02:50:25.000 I want to see more of Trump.

02:50:27.000 Like, I'm really angry at the party for not making this happen the right way.

02:50:32.000 And if Trump's smart, he's going to have a really important stage tomorrow to say, you know, I really would have liked to be there.

02:50:39.000 I think Vivek did a really nice job.

02:50:40.000 I think X, Y, and Z has normal responses.

02:50:44.000 But, you know, I have to be able to not just get attacked 24/7 by my own party.

02:50:50.000 And so when you can create that ecosystem, that space, that environment for me, where we can actually have a debate about the policies and issues that I've been talking about since day one, then I'll come.

02:51:02.000 But I don't think he's going to do that until they can demonstrate that.

02:51:05.000 And I don't think the RNC is capable of doing that.

02:51:07.000 I really don't.

02:51:08.000 Yeah.

02:51:09.000 And I mean, Tyler, just to go back, I just want to remind our audience, drumbeat, the basic stuff, the staffing and ballot chasing, that's what should have received a ton of attention, not, you know, whoever's opinion side.

02:51:22.000 Excuse me.

02:51:23.000 Charlie, you're exactly right.

02:51:25.000 Where was the discussion of how we're actually going to win in 2024?

02:51:29.000 Where was the discussion of ballot chasing, ballot harvesting?

02:51:32.000 That would have been a really good question.

02:51:35.000 Where's the discussion of election injection?

02:51:37.000 Well, let me actually talk about January 6th, but where's the question of challenges of getting these votes, these states down?

02:51:44.000 You know, we're talking strategy here, but we haven't even focused at all on the actual logistics and tactics of winning an election in the real world rather than saying, oh, well, I'm president.

02:51:55.000 I'm going to do this.

02:51:55.000 Yeah, when I'm president, everyone can have free ice cream.

02:51:57.000 But how the freaking people are going to be able to do that?

02:52:00.000 I want to blow up a bit about that, or it's like, I think it's not going to come up. 0.96

02:52:05.000 But like, Fox should get some crap for, you know, I know they did their best to manage the debate, but I thought the questions were actually very bad and not just like it was like often they were trying, it was what CNN or something would often do to try to set up Republicans.

02:52:22.000 Like, one, they throw in this like big abortion question to like really hotbox them and be like, are you going to sign your six-week ban federally? 0.89

02:52:31.000 Which is exactly what CNN does in 2012, where it's like, objectively, we just know that's not going to happen.

02:52:37.000 And so they're only doing this so they can be like, the extreme Republican Party won't stop talking about abortion.

02:52:43.000 But like, we don't have a question that's like, what are you going to do at the federal level over people having their kids taken by the California state government to tranny them?

02:52:52.000 Precisely.

02:52:53.000 Or like on immigration.

02:52:54.000 What happens though, Blake?

02:52:55.000 I mean, look, I will say, I think Brett and Martha, given the marching orders from corporate, did a good job.

02:53:00.000 Better at regulating the fire.

02:53:02.000 But Blake, why do we not have questions the Republican voters care most about?

02:53:07.000 This is a Republican primary debate, right, Blake?

02:53:10.000 Yeah, you'd think.

02:53:12.000 But even if it's not what most of them, because I feel like most of them would say, what do you want to hear about?

02:53:17.000 And they would be like, I want to hear about how they're going to stop the indictment of Donald Trump, which, okay, throw in the question about that.

02:53:23.000 And they kind of did.

02:53:23.000 Like, they asked about pardons, but they all should have asked, like, I do, I do think TV debates are kind of horrible because they're designed for very canned statements.

02:53:33.000 They're designed for sound bites and they're designed to just suck.

02:53:38.000 But you could at least try and be like, okay, you say you're going to stop the weaponization of the DOJ. 0.98

02:53:43.000 What are you going to do besides one of them said, I'm day one, I'm going to fire Merrick Garland.

02:53:47.000 Merrick Garland is a Democrat AG.

02:53:49.000 He'll probably resign anyway.

02:53:51.000 Like, who cares?

02:53:52.000 Oh, I'm going to fire Anthony Fauci.

02:53:54.000 Fauci's like 84 years old.

02:53:56.000 He'll probably be dead in 2025.

02:53:59.000 Why are we worrying about the government anymore?

02:54:02.000 Yeah, he's probably already retired.

02:54:04.000 I think that was Mike Pence, wasn't it?

02:54:05.000 And he said he was going to fire Chris Ray.

02:54:07.000 It was just there was definitely someone who was going to fire Fauci, and there was definitely firing Merrick Garland in there.

02:54:14.000 Yeah, Tim Scott.

02:54:15.000 Tim Scott said.

02:54:17.000 Is that Tim Scott?

02:54:18.000 All right.

02:54:18.000 Yeah.

02:54:19.000 Like, you're going to appoint a different attorney general?

02:54:21.000 Like, here's a question they could have asked.

02:54:25.000 Yeah.

02:54:25.000 Like, here's something I would love to know.

02:54:29.000 Yeah.

02:54:29.000 If we want to put some heat on the debate, just be like, what's your policy on legal immigration?

02:54:34.000 Like, that would be fun for people to know because we've asked him that.

02:54:38.000 And he's been like, I'm not, you know, I wasn't sure yet.

02:54:41.000 And I'd love to know that.

02:54:42.000 I'd love to have them talk about that.

02:54:44.000 And there's a lot of issues you can ask about and be like, hey, Republican candidates, give us your 15-second spiel on what you want to do.

02:54:52.000 And instead, like, it's, we deliberately are leaning into the lamest soundbite version of GOP politics.

02:55:00.000 And yeah, no surprise, if you do that, you're going to get a really lame soundbite version of GOP politics.

02:55:05.000 And it's going to be unbearable because none of these guys are as entertaining as Donald Trump is.

02:55:09.000 Donald Trump can make any debate exciting.

02:55:11.000 Like we could at least, I don't know.

02:55:14.000 It's just, I hate, I hate debates so much.

02:55:16.000 Honestly, though, I thought the one instance, and Jack, I actually would love your perspective as like, you know, the Catholic vote and Tyler as the kind of like, you know, the Latter-day Saint vote.

02:55:29.000 Well, I, I, I, yeah, exactly, right?

02:55:31.000 Yeah, there's the certain certain variations of Catholic.

02:55:35.000 I get that.

02:55:35.000 But I, I did actually find myself keying in on this abortion topic.

02:55:42.000 And a lot of them sort of like hemmed and hawed.

02:55:45.000 Nobody was willing to sort of like take up a very firm line, is my impression.

02:55:50.000 But, you know, I do think it's an open question for how do you handle it, right?

02:55:55.000 I mean, and I actually go back to Trump during the CNN town hall with Caitlin Collins when he said, you know, listen, it's a very sticky issue.

02:56:04.000 Acknowledge the fact that it's a sticky issue.

02:56:06.000 And then he said, I'm going to make the best deal for both sides.

02:56:10.000 I mean, that's a very Trump answer, but I, and I understand that that leaves a lot of wiggle room, but I think that's what he wants.

02:56:15.000 And I think we all understand that about Trump.

02:56:18.000 I don't know at this point, as somebody who's deep into the weeds on this, how we're going to handle the abortion topic when these propositions are getting shot down across the country.

02:56:30.000 I think it's an open political question.

02:56:32.000 I know we're all pro-life here, but how do we handle it politically?

02:56:35.000 I don't have clarity after this tonight.

02:56:37.000 So, Jack, you just put something on Telegram, and we're going to go about five or ten more minutes, probably five more minutes.

02:56:42.000 Jack, read us what you just put on Telegram.

02:56:43.000 It's really smart.

02:56:45.000 Look, I'm just going to say this.

02:56:47.000 Wait, I would have hooked both things on Telegram, but do you mean about the thing?

02:56:50.000 The last one, Donald Trump is being arrested by the Democrat.

02:56:53.000 Okay, yeah.

02:56:54.000 So Donald Trump is being arrested by the Democrats tomorrow for the fourth time.

02:57:00.000 And the candidates were up there shouting about school choice.

02:57:04.000 This is help me understand.

02:57:05.000 Help me understand if this is where we are.

02:57:08.000 Like, do you understand what time it is?

02:57:10.000 Do you understand what part of the movie we are in?

02:57:14.000 This is not the beginning of the movie where everyone's trying to have a conversation and figure out what's going on.

02:57:19.000 No, this is open political warfare.

02:57:23.000 This is the opposition candidate being put in change.

02:57:28.000 He's going to get a mug shot tomorrow.

02:57:30.000 He's actually going to be put up against a wall and have his photo taken like a common criminal.

02:57:35.000 And you've got members of his own party up there acting like it's all it's like it's all completely normal, normal course of business.

02:57:41.000 It's a joke.

02:57:42.000 It's an absolute joke.

02:57:44.000 And I'm this close to Fed posting about it.

02:57:48.000 Let's go around the horn.

02:57:50.000 Andrew, we're going to talk about this on our show tomorrow, Jack will as well.

02:57:53.000 But we really didn't talk much about the Tucker Trump interview.

02:57:56.000 What is the initial reaction, Andrew, on the Tucker Trump interview?

02:58:00.000 Well, I said it before, to Blake's point, where he was talking about how the questions just didn't address the heart of the issue.

02:58:07.000 I give Tucker credit.

02:58:10.000 I thought his promo was maybe better than the interview itself.

02:58:13.000 I have to say, his promo had everybody salivating over watching this thing.

02:58:17.000 But I think it was, I think some of the stuff, I mean, Tucker asked Trump, it's loaded as 113.

02:58:22.000 If you're asking, Charles, it's a longer clip.

02:58:24.000 We could play it.

02:58:24.000 But do you think we're moving towards civil war?

02:58:27.000 I mean, he asked about Epstein.

02:58:29.000 He asked about, do you think, are you worried about getting assassinated?

02:58:32.000 I mean, he asked some very, very pointed questions.

02:58:36.000 And so like hat tip to Tucker Carlson, I think he asked the right questions.

02:58:40.000 I think, you know, whether or not Trump's answer is satisfied, I think it's up to the audience.

02:58:45.000 I don't know yet.

02:58:46.000 I kind of, I'm going to disagree there where I think the temptation everyone falls into with Trump is they'll ask him, you know, do you worry about getting assassinated?

02:58:55.000 Do you work like, what do you, what's your thing on Epstein?

02:58:58.000 And what's your thing on JFK?

02:59:00.000 And they'll ask that because it's like, well, Trump's a really wild guy who says a lot of interesting things.

02:59:05.000 So if we also take the most wild, interesting questions and make him answer that, we'll get something amazing.

02:59:10.000 And it really almost never happens because he'll kind of just divert and talk.

02:59:15.000 He's actually insanely disciplined about the like 10, 12 wild topics.

02:59:19.000 That's what people actually don't like.

02:59:21.000 He's way more disciplined than even like your typical politician.

02:59:25.000 For sure.

02:59:26.000 And to complete the thought, what actually where you get the most interesting Trump things is someone good.

02:59:34.000 Where you get the most interesting stuff, not mine.

02:59:38.000 It's where you get the most interesting stuff is you'll get the most interesting Trump takes when you ask him like about policy stuff.

02:59:45.000 Like what's the most famous stuff he did in 2016?

02:59:47.000 Oh, what's my solution on immigration?

02:59:49.000 I'm going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for the wall. 0.98

02:59:52.000 Or this cycle where they ask him about drugs coming over the border and he just sort of wings it. 0.98

02:59:57.000 Yeah, we're going to execute the drug dealers.

03:00:00.000 And all those people I released from prison under criminal justice reform, if they reoffend, they're getting executed.

03:00:08.000 And we're getting wild stuff on sort of very mundane topics.

03:00:12.000 So what's sort of strange is I think the missed opportunity is if you ask Trump a very basic policy question, you'll often get a very interesting answer that can totally shake up the debate.

03:00:22.000 Like they would ask him about schools and he would just be like, yeah, you know, I think our public schools aren't doing great.

03:00:28.000 We should we should fire all the teachers.

03:00:30.000 We should make all the teachers nationwide reapply for their jobs.

03:00:33.000 You know, he'd just make up something like that.

03:00:34.000 And then five years from now, it'll be the GOP platform because of that.

03:00:37.000 That's a fun take.

03:00:38.000 I like that.

03:00:39.000 All right.

03:00:40.000 We are going to pick this up tomorrow, Jack.

03:00:42.000 You are, what, 2 p.m. Eastern every day, right?

03:00:44.000 2 p.m. Eastern.

03:00:46.000 And you could check our show at noon Eastern, 9 a.m.

03:00:48.000 So it's a couple hours from now.

03:00:49.000 We got to start show prepping.

03:00:50.000 Something tells me, Andrew, we're going to have a lot of content tomorrow to go through.

03:00:54.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

03:00:57.000 Hit the subscribe button, guys.

03:00:58.000 We'll see you next Thursday.

03:01:00.000 This counts as our thought crime for the week.

03:01:02.000 Obviously, went Wednesday as a live reaction.

03:01:04.000 I'm glad we did.

03:01:05.000 God bless you guys, and we will see you tomorrow.

03:01:09.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

03:01:11.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

03:01:15.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 26, 2023

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 11 — LIVE Reaction to the GOP Debate & the Tucker-Trump Interview

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