Dr. Charles Cornish Dale joins the show to talk about his new book, "The Last Men: Liberalism and the Death of Masculinity" and the decline in testosterone and its implications for society, politics, and the economy.
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00:01:09.000All right, folks, welcome to today's edition of Thought Crime Thursday.
00:01:14.000As you can see, I'm here in my tuxedo.
00:01:17.000No, I am not auditioning for on top of a wedding cake.
00:01:23.000Are you going to be a fan of the family?
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00:01:28.000No, I'm going to the premiere of Melania, which is going to be across town here at the Trump Kennedy Center in about an hour and a half.
00:01:55.000And I wanted to also introduce to the audience, I think you may know this guy.
00:02:00.000He's someone who has been out there on the interweb, someone who's also, by the way, was somebody who Charlie Kirk was a big fan of and was always sending me his stuff.
00:02:12.000So I wanted to get him on the show to try and get him on.
00:02:15.000His name is Dr. Charles Cornish Dale, but you may know him better by his online moniker as the Raw Egg Nationalist.
00:02:47.000So it's a follow-on from the Tucker Carlson documentary that I was in in 2022.
00:02:53.000So I was in a documentary called The End of Men about testosterone decline, about this civilizational decline in testosterone that we're seeing and its implications for men and also these broader implications actually for politics, for the political system.
00:03:11.000You know, what happens when you have a society that's full of men who have basically been drained of their masculine essence.
00:03:22.000So what you're saying is it's sort of like a reverse of what so many people think is going on in society.
00:03:29.000See, we think that liberalism, so some people say, well, liberalism is on the rise and that's why you're seeing these new diets, veganism, et cetera.
00:03:44.000But it's the synthesis of Maha and MAGA, really, like Trumpism.
00:03:49.000Yeah, well, I think for too long people have considered, before Maha in particular, people have kind of failed to consider the political implications of ill health.
00:04:00.000And they've really failed to consider the political implications of testosterone decline.
00:04:04.000So testosterone, various different, you know, like gold standard studies have showed that actually testosterone is declining in the US and actually throughout the rest of the Western world at a rate of something like 1% a year year on year.
00:04:16.000Now that might not sound like very much, but that's a quarter in 25 years.
00:04:23.000And yes, I mean, I mean, broadly speaking, I think that a lot of these trends that we're seeing today are actually downstream of this biological, this profound biological change that's happening to men and has been happening for decades.
00:04:41.000Among other things, you could talk about the rise of leftism.
00:04:46.000You could talk about political polarization.
00:04:48.000That's something I talk about in the book.
00:04:50.000Actually, as men lose their testosterone, I think they're more likely to become leftists.
00:04:56.000They're more likely to become leftists.
00:04:58.000So, Blake, you've obviously heard about this.
00:05:05.000Is this something that actually bears out?
00:05:07.000Well, it's funny because I'm of two minds.
00:05:10.000It does seem, obviously, we have, if you were to just look at society-wide, I feel like we might have reached peak soy boy or something actually in the past.
00:05:20.000Like, it felt like 10 years ago, there was that hipster, hipster aesthetic, the Redditor aesthetic.
00:05:28.000Now, when I think about, when I think about young people, I always think about the like the lifting cult guys.
00:05:36.000And it's funny because it feels like so omnipresent that you'd assume it's all over the place.
00:05:42.000But like 50 years ago, nobody was going out and lifting weights three times a week to be strong.
00:05:49.000Nobody was doing a lot of this really ambitious fitness stuff.
00:05:52.000But it does seem like testosterone was higher.
00:05:55.000I guess since we have the egg stir here, first of all, I guess a lot of people are going to ask why raw eggs specifically, but is it do you think it is primarily an environmental thing, or do you think it's a lifestyle thing?
00:06:10.000Or basically, can we act, can an individual fix the testosterone crisis?
00:06:14.000Or is this a gigantic scientific public health matter?
00:06:19.000Okay, so on the raw egg thing, then, yeah, so raw eggs, raw egg nationalism became a thing really in 2020.
00:06:26.000It's the reason I started posting on Twitter.
00:06:29.000There was this hashtag going around raw egg nationalism, and it was about people knocking back large quantities, slonking is the technical term, actually, slonking large quantities of raw eggs.
00:07:31.000But you can very easily knock back 50 raw eggs, you know, just drinking them.
00:07:37.000But then there's also the issue of preservation of the nutrients.
00:07:42.000So you get certain nutritional benefits when you consume eggs raw rather than cooked.
00:07:48.000It preserves the cholesterol in particular.
00:07:52.000And now we've been told for 100 years, you know, that cholesterol is very bad for you.
00:07:56.000But actually the opposite is the case.
00:07:58.000And thankfully now, RFK Jr. has upended the food pyramid and restored cholesterol-rich foods to their rightful place as the kind of building blocks of the American diet.
00:08:11.000But I think this is an individual and a societal problem.
00:08:16.000So there are definitely things that you can do as an individual to improve your hormonal health.
00:08:21.000And I regularly give advice on my Twitter account, on my Substack, and in this book.
00:08:27.000You know, there are simple things that you can do.
00:08:29.000Lifting weights, cleaning up your diet, learning how to cook, avoiding processed foods, sleeping better.
00:08:35.000Sleep is a big one, actually, that people really don't pay enough attention to.
00:08:40.000So there was a study that showed, for example, that if you double your sleep as a man from four hours to eight hours a night, you can double your testosterone levels because the vast majority of testosterone is produced at night during sleep.
00:08:54.000So if you don't sleep properly, you're not going to produce enough.
00:08:57.000But then there are these big, I think, societal problems, things like pesticides, herbicides in the food and water, PFAS chemicals, plastic chemicals, microplastics, environmental pollution, all that kind of stuff.
00:09:15.000And really, you know, that's something that government needs to be involved in.
00:09:18.000And that's why we need Make America Healthy Again.
00:09:21.000That's why we need this grand health campaign that centers on cleaning up the environment, educating people, improving herbicide and pesticide regulations, all this kind of stuff.
00:09:48.000Why is that the name of the book if this is the subject?
00:09:51.000Yes, well, so the book is actually kind of based, the book is kind of based on Fukuyama's end of history thesis.
00:10:00.000It's a kind of quite a bold reappraisal or restating of what Francis Fukuyama is saying happens at the end of history, you know, the triumph of liberal democracy over all other alternative political systems.
00:10:16.000Fukuyama talks about the triumph of liberal democracy as the victory of a certain kind of thymos.
00:10:24.000And thymos is this ancient Greek word that was used to describe spiritedness, the things that animate man, that give him motivation, that make him patriotic and courageous, etc.
00:10:36.000Well, what Fukuyama says is that actually the triumph of liberal democracy is the victory of one kind of thymos over another.
00:10:46.000And so, you know, in a liberal democracy, you can be recognized as equal with your fellow man, but you can't be recognized as better, which is a fundamental aspect, actually, of being a man, of masculinity, of thymos.
00:11:02.000It means that we've created a political system that is potentially at odds with certain aspects of the male character and psyche, the drives, the things that push men to succeed.
00:11:16.000So not only are we facing this kind of biological crisis where we're being pumped full of pesticides and herbicides and we're eating bad diets and we're not sleeping and we're exposed to blue light all the time and chronic stress, but also actually we've created a political system that is hostile to masculinity.
00:11:33.000And so The Last Men is this idea that actually we've arrived at the end of history and we've created a creature, a type of man, who is not fully a man.
00:11:44.000And so I post these quite quite big kind of filibusters.
00:11:47.000Wait, wait, so what you've done here, I think I figured this out.
00:12:06.000It's kind of a spirit or a lack of spirit or a hateful spirit and a resentment.
00:12:11.000So this is why you get, and you and I, you were on my show earlier today, and we were talking about the fact that they, so Tyler, did you see how they, I think I saw you tweeting about this, how they used AI on the Alex Predi photo to like kind of like make him look hot.
00:14:46.000He's an habitual mouth breather, too, I would imagine.
00:14:49.000He probably has some unpleasant habits.
00:14:52.000Don't really particularly want to look at his internet.
00:14:55.000Why is it that mouth breathing leads to that very tight neck that way?
00:15:00.000Well, what it does is if you, let's say you have an undiagnosed allergy as a child, if you habitually mouth breathe, as your skull is developing, your mouth is open, it pushes your jaw back, it recesses the jaw so that actually what happens is it looks like you don't have a chin, right?
00:15:18.000I mean, you do have a chin, it's just in the wrong position.
00:15:33.000What are you saying if they're perpetual?
00:15:35.000If you're like a child and you have like an undiagnosed pet allergy and you're constantly breathing through your mouth for like 10 years as you develop from a six-year-old to a 16-year-old, then yeah, your skull will not develop properly, your jaw will become recessed and you'll basically have no chin.
00:15:53.000I mean, you do have a chin, but it's in your neck and it's back.
00:15:56.000That is why people have that's why people are chinless.
00:15:59.000That's why if you see a chinless man, he probably is a habitual mouth breather.
00:16:03.000They say the same thing about eating hard foods when you're yeah, there's that too.
00:16:09.000So, I mean, you know, there's a lot of anthropological evidence.
00:16:12.000You know, in traditional societies, diet is much harder.
00:18:56.000These penguins are all heading to the open border to the right.
00:19:04.000But one of them caught our eye, the one in the center.
00:19:10.000He would neither go towards the feeding grounds at the edge of the ice, nor return to the colony.
00:19:19.000Shortly afterwards, we saw him heading straight towards the mountains, some 70 kilometers away.
00:19:28.000Dr. Ainley explained that even if he caught him and brought him back to the colony, he would immediately head right back for the mountains.
00:19:53.000One of these disoriented or deranged penguins showed up at the New Harbor diving camp, already some 80 kilometers away from where it should be.
00:20:09.000The rules for the humans are do not disturb or hold up the penguin.
00:20:14.000Stand still and let him go on his way.
00:20:21.000And here he's heading off into the interior of the vast continent.
00:20:27.000With 5,000 kilometers ahead of him, he's heading towards certain death.
00:20:36.000I could listen to Werner Herzog talk, narrate anything all day.
00:21:39.000So there are these, there are like redditors I saw who were saying like, oh yeah, the penguin represents the kind of deranged nihilism of capitalism where we're all just heading towards inevitable doom.
00:22:00.000The penguin embodies the Faustian spirit, the will, the desire to know, the desire to overcome, the desire to transcend and to achieve the transcendental, even at the cost of death.
00:22:13.000It's the great impulse that has motivated Western society, Western civilization, and brought it to greatness.
00:23:59.000And remember, why refi doesn't care what your credit score is.
00:24:02.000Just go to yrefi.com and tell them your friend Andrew sent you.
00:24:09.000Man, you're making it sound like we should just make the national, we should just change the national seal and have the suicide penguin as the official bird of the United States.
00:25:00.000We're not going to talk about the garbage he forgot to take out or, you know, the, you know, the laundry he was supposed to pick up right away or, you know, whatever it is.
00:27:50.000So, but the one thing that I wanted to get into as well, which kind of goes back to Alex Predi is Obama.
00:27:59.000Did you guys see this Obama statement that he put out, like in the wake of all this, where he's talking about, oh, we have to support our neighbors and what's going on in Minneapolis?
00:28:10.000Yeah, I saw it only because you sent it to me because, Pozo, I don't follow Barack Obama and actively hang on every word that he says, but I understand some people are a little different.
00:28:21.000Obama, we do do a show here, you know, and he's kind of like the leader of the opposition, but you know, whatever.
00:28:28.000So, so he had this link that he posted up, and he's like, here's resources that we can use to, you know, to support our neighbors.
00:28:40.000And it's weird because I guess neighbor is like the new comrade, the new Tovarish, right, Tyler?
00:28:46.000To that, they don't even refer to illegal aliens because they realize that illegal aliens and undocumented, it all just got too wonky and too silly.
00:28:58.000So now they're just saying neighbors, which is the weirdest thing.
00:29:04.000So it links to a Vox article where it says, how to help the resistance to ICE in Minnesota and beyond.
00:29:13.000And you scroll down and it's got all sorts of wild stuff.
00:29:17.000Yeah, it's got the normal like donate to legal funds and stand with Minnesota, which by the way, I'm pretty sure is very similar to the bail fund that Michelle Obama, or excuse me, Kamala Harris shared back in 2020.
00:29:32.000But then if you scroll down, you keep going down, This is the weirdest one.
00:29:39.000It says, there are other ways to volunteer.
00:29:43.000And my Pitbull is family has been helping vulnerable families take care of their pets, including when an owner is detained by ICE.
00:31:01.000Pit bulls are a giant, you know, killing machines out and about eating babies, which they're eating the babies other dogs won't eat, as they might say.
00:31:09.000And in fact, I think your friend Cremieu just had a situation with this.
00:31:14.000Yeah, Cremu, our friend down in Austin, he was attacked by a pit bull.
00:31:17.000And we were just learning today, one of our staffers, they had a parent who was attacked by a pit bull in the past.
00:31:25.000And I know our neighbor back in South Dakota, they had like a cousin who was killed by a pit bull.
00:31:32.000Like, it's amazing how many of these you can find.
00:31:36.000It was sort of, you have less sympathy because they, I think, were running like a breeding operation or they had some like large number of dogs.
00:32:36.000And so this has to do, and this is where people get really upset on this because it has to do with how pit bulls were bred, which happened originally in England.
00:33:34.000They were savage enough if you threw enough of them in a pit with a bull to kill a bull, or certainly to savage it in a very, very nasty way.
00:33:43.000So these are dogs that have been bred that are genetically predisposed.
00:33:52.000Well, I know, so this, of course, is the thought crime because every single time this happens, every single time we find a story like this, we get, I get flooded with comments.
00:34:03.000I should look in the live chat right now where people are saying, where people are saying, oh, that's just a bad owner.
00:35:17.000I mean, obviously, you get the like here, then you get the sort of people whining and crying and moaning and saying that it's discriminatory and that it's not the dogs, it's the owners and all the same stuff gets said.
00:35:29.000But yeah, they do exactly what they do here.
00:35:31.000They attack and kill people, kill women, kill children.
00:35:34.000So, Blake, what do we attribute this to?
00:35:37.000Because what are you saying and what we're looking up says the statistics are very clear on this, that this one breed is particularly violent.
00:35:49.000Well, what's really incredible headline after headline backing it up.
00:35:52.000Well, what's really incredible to me, it's like, okay, this dog is clearly a dangerous one.
00:35:57.000And what's remarkable and what I think makes this relevant is the truly pathological response that clearly a lot of people simultaneously, there are people who want to get a pit bull because they know it is a terrible dog and they like want to argue that the pit bull is not a bad dog, that it's like misunderstood or or whatever.
00:36:53.000And so people have to ditch them because they bite their toddler, but they don't want to put it down.
00:36:58.000And it's truly, it's an insight into the psychological state of a lot of people, not exclusively on the left, frankly, that they want to go out of their way to get the dog that is more dangerous for them, to get the dog that is more dangerous to other people, as I suppose, a form of pretty aggressive virtue signaling, either because they want to prove that it's the owner, not the dog, until they turn out to be the bad owner whose dog goes nuts.
00:37:28.000It's this true will towards ugliness, this will towards danger.
00:38:40.000Yeah, but I mean, how many, what I suppose you have to do is you have to do some kind of per capita analysis.
00:38:46.000But it's like every year and then we're like across the world.
00:38:49.000And like, I mean, there's that's part of it.
00:38:52.000I think pit bulls are an American thing.
00:38:54.000And like, and like America and its cultural imperialist sphere, I don't think you're going to find pit bulls if you visit Italy or something.
00:39:00.000But part of my point is I think that a lot of this actually goes severely underreported.
00:39:05.000I think there's a lot more pit bull attacks happening in America than we actually even know about because nobody ever talks.
00:39:12.000I tell you, I see a ton of this content.
00:39:14.000Yeah, I guess it would only go if it got reported to the hospital.
00:39:17.000There's probably a lot of people who just get bit and just tough it out.
00:39:20.000I mean, there's people, I mean, that I mean, again, yeah, like nobody ever gets held to account either.
00:39:24.000Like, where people, I mean, this happens a lot where dogs will attack.
00:39:29.000And you hear, obviously, about people suing each other over dog attacks, but there's also probably significantly more people who actually never sue their family member or whoever for a dog attack.
00:39:41.000Like, you're not going to sue your own family most of the time when you get attacked by a dog.
00:39:48.000No, and it's something where, like, I think, so obviously, right, the thought crime here is the question of the tabula rasso, right?
00:39:57.000This is the heredity, the you know, heredity, genetics.
00:40:01.000You know, is there a reason that, you know, people from certain countries are a certain way, you know, the Somalis, the, you know, Europeans, whatever.
00:40:10.000This is the thought crime that that comes up.
00:40:12.000You know, can you overcome your heredity?
00:40:15.000And certainly you were just talking about that with your book, is to say that there are lots of factors.
00:40:20.000It is kind of a hodgepodge of all these different things.
00:40:23.000However, there is still this innate nature.
00:40:26.000And twin studies have borne this out over and over and over again.
00:40:31.000Go read the book Blueprint if you want to check that out.
00:40:35.000But also, I think maybe if we're doing a PSA, it's, hey, guys, if your dog's not good around kids, get the dog out there before anything bad happens.
00:40:47.000And if you do have a pit bull, then maybe just don't bring him around kids.
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