Cliff Maloney joins the show to talk about white identity and what it means to be a white person in America. Also, AOC tries to redefine white identity, but it's not so simple, is it?
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00:02:17.000So we had Trump nominee, Jeremy Carl, on the show the other day.
00:02:21.000He also is up for a nomination in Congress, and they really interrogated him because he wrote a book, The Unprotected Class, that's about how it's okay to discriminate against white people in America.
00:02:32.000Yes, kill all wits, it says on the cover.
00:02:35.000And they also, they specifically pressed him.
00:02:38.000I believe it was Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut was like pressing at him to define what white identity or white culture was in the context of things.
00:02:53.000Tell me how you define white identity and what you think is being erased about white identity.
00:02:57.000I am concerned with the majority common American culture that we had for some time that through particularly mass immigration, I think has become much more balkanized.
00:03:14.000So they went back and forth a little bit about that, but there's a bigger context of what's going on where some people have criticized the idea that it exists.
00:03:22.000And so AOC was, for some reason, at the Munich Security Conference.
00:04:06.000These are rich cultural heritages that are based on values and they are so much a part of what make our cultures and our societies what they are.
00:04:20.000Why do I feel like she's trying to strangle whiteness while she's talking about white people?
00:04:25.000I'm actually, I'm thinking of her like being, yeah, like a witch, like conjuring up like ball lightning.
00:04:39.000So I think that's kind of, that's the starting point for this conversation is what AOC was saying.
00:04:44.000She was saying there is German culture, there is English culture, French culture, Italian culture, whatever you like, but there's no such thing as white culture.
00:04:53.000And I think that's, I think that's an interesting question.
00:04:56.000And I think it's an important thing to ask because if you're most of, I think if you're most Americans, you're kind of a Euro-mutt.
00:05:05.000So I don't think any of us have a strong sense of being specifically Italian or Polish or whatever.
00:05:11.000And if we have any identity that's other than just big American, but with every other group in America, you know, we'll have American identity and subgroup identity.
00:05:32.000I don't necessarily think a white culture exists, but I think that we have laws that pretty much exclude whites or include everyone that is not white.
00:05:42.000And so you kind of have to think of it.
00:05:44.000Like Chris Murphy, this is going to sound weird because usually when I think of politicians, I really think that they have a deeper understanding.
00:05:53.000I think when he asked Jeremy, like, hey, do you, like, are you really thinking that whites are the most pervasive when it comes to racism against them?
00:06:02.000I think Chris Murphy buys the BS that he's been fed that, you know, whites have to have white guilt.
00:06:08.000And of course, you know, we have it better than everybody else.
00:06:11.000And he just, he believes what he's saying.
00:06:14.000And I just, I love when they kind of get called on this.
00:06:16.000So do I think there's a white culture?
00:06:19.000I think that there is enough out there that puts whites in a box, whether it's for good or for bad, that yes, we've kind of had this situation where, you know, I'm what?
00:06:28.000Scottish, Irish, Welsh, you know, we're all mutts, as you would say.
00:06:33.000But I don't ever identify with a white culture.
00:06:36.000I just think that in certain things, we just get lumped into that box.
00:08:10.000Yeah, but to say that there is no white culture because there's so many different factions of white culture, like German, Italian, French from the UK, is to say that there's no Spanish culture.
00:08:24.000Even though there's so many different factions of Spanish people.
00:08:27.000Well, genuinely, I think the most important point to illustrate that there probably is a white culture is if we were to say, is there a black culture in the United States distinct from just being American?
00:09:11.000I'm sorry, but I'll go to a football game in the South or in the upper Midwest or wherever, and all the white people celebrate that football game just about the same.
00:09:22.000Now, the Eagles fans may beg to differ.
00:09:26.000Cliff Maloney may feel like there's only one fan base that does it the right way.
00:09:30.000But it's like, we all know the same drinking games.
00:09:51.000But you can't fault us for the fact that this was established essentially from the turn of the last century into about the 1960s or 70s when there was no basic, no mass migration going on between the Great Depression and 1965.
00:10:08.000And that is when this great congealing happened.
00:10:19.000We were actually able to assimilate the Polish and the Italians and this second wave of white immigration that we experienced at the latter half, well, the last couple decades of the 1800s and the early part of the 20th century.
00:10:34.000But yes, there is absolutely a white culture, and that is all rooted in Anglo-culture.
00:10:59.000There's nobody in the world that is going to say this white American is like this Australian white person.
00:11:06.000Nobody in the world is going to say this Canadian, well, Canadian's a little bit different, or this British is like this American, because over the years, it's congealed and formed, as cultures do, they're living organisms, into its own thing.
00:11:23.000All you moon truthers, get off my back here.
00:11:27.000That won two world wars, that settled the plains, that built up a beautiful civilization, that built really rad cars and Hollywood and all this.
00:11:42.000All of this stuff is incredibly American.
00:11:44.000And to suggest that it doesn't exist is the height of insanity.
00:11:48.000And it's deeply infuriating, actually, which is why you're seeing the rise of a white identity in the United States.
00:11:54.000Well, I think that's actually that gets at what I would say is truly a white cultural practice in the United States, and there is a certain self-effacing aspect to it.
00:12:05.000So, for example, I would say it is specifically in America a white cultural trait to want to sort of efface race as a factor to someone else.
00:12:15.000Well, because we were done with it for so long.
00:12:18.000I think that's actually a little bit more innate than that because notably we kind of continue to do it even as we're nearly not a majority of the country.
00:12:27.000There is a desire to not have any bias towards an in-group towards your own group just for the sake of it.
00:12:36.000Every other group does every other group openly does.
00:12:39.000You can run the poll where it'll say, they'll ask people what do you on average rate different races as, and every race will rate their own high and white people low.
00:12:48.000And then white people are very careful to just rate them every race the exact same.
00:12:53.000I think that actually cultural practice is.
00:15:34.000It's that, like, go to a, I'll pick my favorite.
00:15:37.000I've been to a few heavy metal concerts in my time, and I went to, I went to a Judas Priest and Saxon concert in Judas Priest and Saxon in Washington, D.C. In Washington, D.C.
00:15:49.000And I'll say Washington, D.C. is a very diverse city.
00:15:52.000Any number of Hispanics and black people and Indians and whoever could have gone there.
00:15:56.000And I will say that was a very European crowd and one Native American.
00:17:07.000And I think you guys use me as a guinea pig to start here.
00:17:09.000And when I say, like, what I think of white culture, no, you're right.
00:17:14.000I mean, it's, it's, it's, I do think humans avoid assimilation, right?
00:17:19.000I mean, we, we, we want to be with people we look like, that we get along with, that we connect with.
00:17:24.000I mean, this is the big argument a lot of the migration in the U.S. is like, or around the world, you know, you look at Europe, like the refusal to want to assimilate.
00:17:32.000So, yes, I think you know white culture when you see it, or whiteness, or whatever you're saying.
00:17:37.000Um, but yes, Dawson's Creek, great reference.
00:17:41.000By the way, if people are confused about the B-roll right now, we're literally just flashing through B-rolls of white culture.
00:19:26.000Listen, I think race does sometimes matter.
00:19:30.000i mean just ask the nba but we what we're talking about is african-american over here you've been holding they've been waiting on that um um Didn't you say that Jesse Jackson was the guy who popularized African Americans?
00:19:51.000So, for example, I went to high school with a bunch of kids that were not white, but they kind of grew up in the dominant American culture.
00:20:00.000I didn't feel any separation from them.
00:20:03.000So, when you talk about multiculturalism, multiculturalism is where you celebrate all the groups staying distinct and they move here, and then you got the Indian neighborhood, and you're just going to celebrate the Indians and say, oh, the food or whatever.
00:20:16.000They've been sitting on a bunch of these, I can tell.
00:20:21.000But I mean, genuinely, to Ron Paul's point, probably, I didn't see what he said, but multiculturalism actually does make us weaker because we don't have a dominant central through line of our culture, shared values, shared morals, and shared heroes, shared myths, shared legends.
00:20:38.000And that's really, really, I think, what people don't like living around because they don't, they don't go to like if my kids go to school with those, those kids are those people's kids, they're not going to like celebrate Easter together.
00:20:48.000They're not going to, the, the holidays are going to be different.
00:20:51.000The, the language is going to be different.
00:20:56.000You want your kids going to school with a bunch of people that share the culture and share the holidays and share the interactions and that share culture more broadly.
00:21:04.000And I think there's actually a genuine weird fear that to acknowledge that there just might be some things certain groups just naturally, for whatever reason, like more than other people.
00:21:16.000Like there's going to be these going to black pilots again.
00:21:19.000No, no, there's going to be this like folk.
00:21:21.000There's going to be some folk concert.
00:21:23.000It's going to be a bunch of white people with guitars and they're going to be singing their folk songs and it's going to be really annoying.
00:21:34.000But I acknowledge it's a ton of white people who like that sort of thing.
00:21:37.000They love their Bob Dylan and whatever.
00:21:40.000And I know that these organizations are just endlessly having meltdowns because they're all white libs and they freak out because not enough people who aren't white libs like it.
00:21:49.000And nevertheless, that's white culture because it's something a bunch of white people like and want to do and will do if not blocked from doing it by things like having a gigantic politics related meltdown.
00:22:01.000Hey, I look white culture is so incredible that you have people that aren't white, Mexicans like Andrew.
00:24:35.000It's like there's a level of cool and swagger that black culture produces in America that's promoted by the media that is cool.
00:24:45.000This is why my theory behind Gen Z, Gen Z is adopting cowboy costumes, almost like they're a lot of them wear boots and they like to go to country concerts and rodeos.
00:24:57.000I think it's because they're looking for something that's defined.
00:25:00.000That's something that they could be like, oh, I can do that.
00:25:02.000I can wear those clothes and I can feel black.
00:25:05.000Black culture has created a whole thing around, especially around products and things like that.
00:25:48.000A final thought on this, and then we'll pivot to the next thing.
00:25:50.000If you want to get a good sense of what white culture is, go look at what Japanese people do when they're ripping off stuff from America because they're great at imitating American subcultures.
00:26:01.000There are Japanese people who really love the greaser subculture from the 50s, wear leather jackets, and have motorcycle culture.
00:26:12.000I guess that's an element of black culture there.
00:27:03.000those films are very suburban white culture of the 80s and they would definitely Home Alone didn't have a single black person in it Yes, it did.
00:27:12.000Wait, what are the other John Dudles movies?
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00:28:58.000This is a good transition point because John Hughes, sadly, he died.
00:29:01.000He retired pretty young and then died quite young.
00:29:04.000He was like out of Hollywood by the time he was 50.
00:29:07.000But we could make more John Hughes movies today because the AI that we've been covering ever since this show is created has advanced remarkably quickly.
00:29:16.000And we're now at the point where there are just absolutely terrifying AI recreations of every actor, every film you could ever imagine.
00:30:57.000Well, and the part of, well, part of what's amazing, though, is this gets into another cultural factor, which is we don't really generate new movie stars anymore.
00:31:05.000Like, who is a super famous movie star on par like on par with Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt when Timothy Chalame was?
00:32:47.000point is option in specific archetypes around actors and that's in the heavy decline and the point is tom cruise in in 2020 didn't help Tom Cruise.
00:33:26.000Well, this is the same with fast food restaurants and chains, I would make the argument.
00:33:31.000There's only so many that can make it into the marketplace, like new ideas.
00:33:35.000And people become so accustomed to that.
00:33:38.000It's like, McDonald's has grown huge, Subway.
00:33:42.000Like, Subway's not the best sandwich, but Subway's still the largest chain in America, or second largest or third largest chain in America, I think, first in food, because people just become so accustomed to something that they can't get off it.
00:33:54.000So how does that shrinks over time, maybe?
00:33:58.000But like, again, that goes back, I think actors is like, there's a branded actor.
00:34:02.000To Blake's point, you didn't see this in the past because the whole mechanism of delivering the new food, if you will, the new actor was so powerful that it would overcome the barriers to entry and we would get new entrants into the space.
00:34:14.000We don't really do that anymore because I think our attention is so diverted and so siloed.
00:34:19.000Everybody's balkanized, to use Jeremy Carl's word.
00:35:55.000Yeah, it is the best GIF or GIF, whatever you don't have to have that argument ever for door knocking, which is the Walter White, I am the one who knocks.
00:36:09.000No, there was somebody that did a took all of the seasons and did a super cut and put them into like three hours and made it like a cinematic movie and it was out on the internet.
00:36:22.000I think you can still find it like on Investigation.
00:36:24.000So you could just get straight into your veins, distill version.
00:36:27.000No, but they said, like, I didn't get a chance to watch it, but it's in like the dark web or like Pirates Bay or whatever you could do like that download it.
00:36:35.000But it's three hours and it's supposed to be incredible, like a full-length movie, but it's all like, and they've only taken the most important parts, but they edited it perfectly.
00:37:24.000It might be that all of the big legacy media outputlets are going to come in and get the courts to say you can't just take everyone's stuff and use it to make AI.
00:37:36.000But right now, they're stealing the best stuff that human beings have ever created and using that to generate their AI models.
00:37:43.000So if you block successfully what they're able to ingest, it would beg to, you know, it could be a way to block some of them.
00:37:52.000And that could be what's actually interesting is I can see a positive outcome here where that is actually what causes more original stuff to be made using AI.
00:38:01.000Because let's say they win and they say, okay, you can't use a bunch of this pre-existing stuff in the training data.
00:38:07.000As a result, AI becomes really bad at replicating Batman, Superman, Star Wars, what have you, but it's better at more generic stuff.
00:38:17.000And so they use the generic outputs to, okay, here's star battles, and it's totally different from Star Wars.
00:38:24.000It's interesting also to me that your Upper Midwest accents takes that word generic.
00:39:23.000This is Ana Paulina Luna, HR 7399, to prohibit users who are under the age of 13 from accessing social media to prohibit the use of personalized recommendation systems on individuals under age 17 and limit the use of social media in schools.
00:39:55.000You're getting that we all get to like pile on when you say something that we disagree with.
00:40:00.000Yeah, my views on this have vastly shifted in the last five years.
00:40:04.000You know, I used to be much more libertarian and think the government shouldn't get involved.
00:40:08.000But honestly, I think a lot of this stems from the idea that if there's one thing the government should do, it should be to protect those under the age of 18.
00:40:15.000You know, we've seen that with all the transition surgeries and all the woke BS with that ruining people's lives.
00:40:23.000I do think it's the one thing that the government should come in and set some parameters to make sure the kids are not getting mind-warped at 10 years old.
00:41:06.000like you i have children um here's the here we we kept our kids So my oldest kid is 17, which is crazy.
00:41:16.000He has had a phone since he was 12 or 13, which is kind of a phone.
00:41:24.000His mom wanted to have a phone because of getting a hold of him.
00:41:28.000But we had it on lockdown, so he couldn't download any apps.
00:41:31.000He was not allowed to download social media till he turned 16.
00:41:37.000So I'm kind of like okay with it because I personally in my own house was like, I don't think my, I didn't want my kids on social media before they turned 13.
00:41:44.000I don't think like I, if it was up to me, I probably wouldn't have given my kids, I wouldn't give my kids a cell phone until they're 16.
00:41:51.000But so what's I'm a little old school?
00:41:54.000Okay, one thing I think we could all agree on, and maybe we can't, I don't know, but I would think banning, so I'm like for full ban of tablets, devices, phones at school.
00:42:31.000When we talk about banning phones in schools, it's always the focus is on the kids, but we actually need to make the parents more normal too.
00:42:37.000Because when they've tried to do this in some schools, they get so much pushback from the parents who flip out.
00:42:42.000I can't immediately contact my child at all times.
00:42:46.000No, you can have a phone like in a backpack or something.
00:42:50.000But like, honestly, I don't even think it's your locker.
00:43:24.000So I just had this thought that came to me, and I don't really understand it.
00:43:29.000When my phone's on airplane mode, why can't I set a setting so that it automatically texts people who call me like and tells them that I'm on a plane if it's I'm on airplane mode?
00:43:38.000Anyways, this brings me to this point is we're not that far away from when kids are at school, there being an automatic setting that locks down their phone essentially by being there where you can still make calls like a foot phone.
00:45:03.000But you know, there's going to be all these civil libertarians like Cliff that are going to be already gaming out how this gets abused by the sensors or whatever.
00:45:16.000Schools, kids got to be learning from books, old school books.
00:45:20.000And here's the tension a lot of schools have run into is they'll institute a phone ban or a device ban in the school, but then they'll give them homework that requires a device in order to complete it.
00:45:33.000And so this is central tension is we tell all these schools, hey, no phones, none of this.
00:45:40.000But we also want you to be at the cutting edge of AI.
00:45:42.000We want you to be the cutting edge of programming and all these, you know, so how do you bridge that divide?
00:46:04.000All I can think is I don't know that there's any top AI person or really any top computer person in general who got there because of their public school computer programming class that they took to fill their elective in high school.
00:46:48.000Whole neighborhoods of Dallas, by the way.
00:46:50.000So Zuzu's Pedals has another Rumble rant.
00:46:52.000She says, we have so many videos of bullies beating up a kid in school, and it's the camera phone that happened to catch it so they could post it.
00:47:04.000Oh, wait, the camera phone was on waiting for it to happen to post it.
00:47:08.000So I think she's saying we shouldn't have social media in school because people are literally beating other kids up and posted on social media.
00:47:14.000I can see another black girl that just absolutely beat up that young white girl.
00:48:04.000But, but we probably, I mean, this is what happened during COVID, is that we saw a lot of what our students were learning across the country.
00:48:12.000I think it would certainly demystify a lot of what modern education is like.
00:48:16.000It's very clear a lot of people are attached to like one good teacher they had 30 years ago, and that informs their entire understanding of how modern education is.
00:48:25.000They totally black out all the bad ones.
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00:51:03.000I think this is really interesting because it kind of plays into another topic here.
00:51:09.000We're talking, of course, about civil liberties.
00:51:12.000We're talking about the concern that we might be censoring people if we put social media bans on people.
00:51:17.000By the way, this whole thing is happening at a court house, a superior court in Los Angeles, where Meta and Google are getting sued because a young woman named KGM, his acronym in the courthouse, is suing that they've made it too addictive and that she has depression, anxiety.
00:52:02.000So, but then we have Thomas Massey, who is a libertarian-minded Kentucky congressman who is now at odds with President Trump, basically the whole Trump administration.
00:53:40.000What I get mad at is that the Republican establishment always puts him in a position, or him plus a couple of the Freedom Caucus members, to be the ones that have to make the tough vote because they put up some sort of moderate bill, right?
00:53:55.000It's never Don Bacon that has to be the one or two no votes because the bill was too conservative or too Trumpy.
00:54:02.000And I think that's why I always do stick with Thomas because I think a lot of the things he's doing, people can argue, well, he's too principled and we only have a one or two seat majority.
00:55:40.000And, you know, he's been principled in Congress for years, but now it matters because we have such a slim majority.
00:55:46.000I will say, this is something I had forgotten about, but I remember being very upset about it at the time.
00:55:52.000And it's really irking me again to be reminded of it.
00:55:56.000Right after Charlie's death, they asked Massey about it.
00:55:59.000And he said everyone needed to turn down their rhetoric, but especially the president, where he complained, he said, there is a lot of rhetoric, and the president himself engages in it.
00:56:09.000He called it a hostile act to co-sponsor the Epstein resolution.
00:56:15.000And maybe I'm being nitpicky because it's something so personally close to me, but I don't really like that Massey took a left-winger murdering Charlie and said, yeah, but like, let's remember that the president got mad at me for co-sponsoring an Epstein resolution.
00:56:53.000I think he has a stellar personal sort of like, there's no skeletons in Thomas Massey's closet, if you will.
00:56:59.000But it does feel like he's become so animated, especially after Trump came after him.
00:57:06.000And maybe, listen, you know, I know that that probably came with personal cost.
00:57:11.000I know that that probably has increased his security detail.
00:57:14.000And I know that those wounds go deep, deep when you feel actually afraid for your own life because somebody of prominence is attacking you.
00:57:26.000But it does feel like he's kind of animated by this feud with President Trump, and it's kind of clouding some of the messaging, some of the judgment, some of what he majors on.
00:57:39.000And it does kind of feel like, you know, he's against us now.
00:57:45.000I mean, I would say he, there was that blow up on the internet.
00:58:11.000Same type of thing is that there's been this departure over the course of the last year during the next Trump presidency where there's just been some vitriol pointed at the president.
00:58:26.000And some of it's a little bit concerning to me because, and again, this is a similar type of conversation.
00:58:32.000And, you know, this isn't pointed at just pointed at Cliff here.
00:58:39.000But, you know, there's purest like Republican libertarianism where it's like, there's some things that I think Rand Paul and Thomas Massey have done that are exquisite and it's pulled the party more to the right and it's good and it's really, it's really healthy and it's really great.
00:58:59.000And I like the policies that some elected officials and legislative bodies have where they just vote no on everything because they don't believe that the government should grow and that they shouldn't be passing anything.
00:59:09.000And that's generally been the MO of Thomas Massey.
00:59:14.000Well, I know, I'm saying, but over the course of this last year in particular, there's been a little bit of a departure, but there's signs of this that are a little bit challenging because, you know, there was some, there's some jockeying, some brokering that happened in Kentucky that I don't like.
00:59:29.000And this is specific to these two gentlemen because there's a lot of like wheeling and dealing with the McConnell people.
00:59:35.000And like they basically had like, again, a truce in that state.
00:59:41.000And Cliff can speak a little bit more to this.
00:59:43.000I won't put him on the spot to speak to why, as to why, but like where Mitch McConnell really wouldn't attack Rand Paul, Ram Paul wouldn't attack Mitch McConnell.
00:59:51.000And, you know, and again, that was not like 100% because Rand Paul would have some words about policies that they, but they wouldn't attack each other.
01:00:02.000And I don't think that was helpful in Kentucky.
01:00:04.000Like, I think in Kentucky, you have two of the most pro-liberty guys.
01:00:08.000And at the same time, you have one of the worst representations of the DC swamp and Mitch McConnell.
01:00:15.000And now you have a situation, too, where it's like they've kind of stayed out of this race for, and I could be totally wrong about this, but from what I've seen, they've largely stayed out of this race to replace Mitch McConnell.
01:00:28.000And I'm a little bit more of like a pragmatist when it comes to this.
01:00:31.000It's like, we want the most conservative guy possible getting elected and use your muscle for good.
01:00:37.000I just think like my all this to say, instead of attacking Donald Trump, which you're not going to change the president by attacking Donald Trump if you're Thomas Massey, but what can you do at home?
01:00:46.000Well, you could get, you know, a really great guy elected into the U.S. Senate to replace Mitch McConnell.
01:00:52.000And are you spending all of your political capital to do that?
01:01:02.000Donald Trump told us that even though he had dinner with these kinds of people in New York City and West Palm Beach, that he would be transparent, but he's not.
01:01:16.000This is the Epstein administration, and they're attacking me for trying to get these files released.
01:01:22.000And again, I'm going to say President Trump has not been accused of anything criminal.
01:01:27.000I think there is a lot of truth to just, unfortunately, Massey's had friction with President Trump all the way back to his first term.
01:01:34.000Trump was trying to primary him out even then over he wasn't voting for stuff the president wanted.
01:01:39.000And I think a very real trend is when someone, when a lot of people, get in friction with President Trump, you can see some people they handle it better than others.
01:01:49.000Like there are some senators who've had big spats I think even Lindsey Graham's had some spats with Trump and he just he glides with it.
01:01:55.000He knows what he wants and he's very good at getting back in the president's graces and just deals with it and so on.
01:02:02.000Okay, sometimes Trump fixates on people and that's just how it is.
01:02:05.000But for some people they get in it with Trump and after that it just gradually curdles everything and it starts to consume everything about them.
01:02:42.000They put the, they buried the hatchet, as it were, and now Marco's like a rocket ship, whereas Thomas Massey he's, he's like you know, Appalachia he's, he's like a he's, he's an honor society guy.
01:02:56.000You're right that different people handle it differently, but I don't know that I'd associate You Been with burying the hatchet and not caring about that.
01:03:05.000Well, I think he cared, obviously, for a while, but he's much more sort of like sly.
01:03:10.000And I think, listen, they buried the hatchet.
01:03:32.000Yeah, so two major things to not push back on, but to at least respond with.
01:03:36.000Number one, I don't think Massey has changed in terms of his voting pattern at all.
01:03:41.000I think what's changed is that the margins are so narrow that now him being Mr. No ramifications for the Trump administration for passing legislation.
01:04:00.000Number two, I think the line in the sand, you know, the difference here is that when Trump decided to go all in against Massey, what do politicians do when they're fighting for their political life?
01:04:25.000So his path to getting re-elected is he can't align with Trump if Trump's going after him every single day.
01:04:32.000He's able to raise money on certain things because he's, you know, they're amplifying when he's, I don't want to say anti-Trump, but yes, I think we're seeing much more of the rhetoric.
01:04:42.000But I always say to people, like, what do you expect in your political life's on the line?
01:04:46.000Either A, you retire, or B, you fight to try to win.
01:04:50.000I think Thomas Massey wins his reelection with 55 to 60 points.
01:05:28.000That's like, so that's what's so frustrating is that, you know, Rand did the truce thing with Mitch, which was, and again, I'm not trying to put you on the spot, Cliff.
01:05:39.000So I'm not expecting a response from you because we love you and I want to do that to you.
01:05:45.000But it's like, you know, Rand could have used his political capital to go after Mitch, you know, all for all these years.
01:05:54.000And from time to time, I think it's easy.
01:05:57.000I think it's the cheap shot, you know, to go after the president.
01:06:01.000You know, it's a cheap shot to know that we only have a couple of a couple seat majority, you know, in both chambers, you know, and to use that, leverage that against the president's administration.
01:06:18.000It's the harder to go after the moderates.
01:06:21.000It's harder to take out the moderates and make this country a better place by going after the uniparty.
01:06:28.000And again, that's not to say that both of these guys haven't been warriors on that.
01:06:34.000It's they haven't been focused enough warriors.
01:06:37.000And the left is really good at going after our people in a focused way where they don't do this kind of stuff.
01:06:45.000They never, like, Joe Biden couldn't turn on a light switch in the White House by himself, you know, at the end of his term.
01:07:12.000And our side is like, our best warriors, you know, can't remain focused enough to go after the radical commie left and the uniparty who's aiding those guys.
01:07:22.000So that's my, that's my one big thing.
01:07:24.000And I know that's exactly what you're saying in so many ways, Cliff, is that like, I have that dream too, is that like, hopefully, you know, people will win.
01:07:32.000And that's what elections are for, primary elections are for, and then everyone can lay off and then they can be friends again.
01:07:38.000He's really good at being like, oh, well, you know, now we're friends again.
01:07:41.000And we figured out ways to work together.
01:07:44.000And he's always actually been really good at that.
01:07:46.000And he deserves a lot of credit if that happens.
01:07:48.000But I'm a little bit worried that, you know, if it goes the other direction, and let's say, you know, something bad happens and he loses, right?
01:07:56.000Like that people are going to be like, pick up, you know, take their ball and go home type thing.
01:08:01.000And the liberty community within the Republican Party is super important in a lot of different states for the Republican Party to survive and be good.
01:08:10.000And there's a big part of big elements of like kind of the neo, you know, Trump 2.0 world that we have here that I think is really unhealthy for the direction that we could go if we don't have them as part of the table.
01:08:26.000So I'm actually horrified by the idea that that could happen because I don't that I think that fractures the I think he's going to win.
01:08:47.000Like, so like you have a situation here where it's like, guys, the Republican Party has to realize we're kind of like kids in Jim in elementary school when we had that big, you know, that big parachute tarp thing that they made all American get.
01:09:03.000Talk about white culture full circle here.
01:09:05.000Like they made all of us like you lift it up and you pull it down and everybody's under there for a few seconds.
01:09:26.000What percentage of the conservative movement, Cliff, do you think is kind of like this liberty movement, this libertarian right, you know, segment of it?
01:09:36.000Well, I separate it by people that live in reality and don't, right?
01:09:39.000If you're not willing to vote Republican, then, you know, I don't put you in that camp of like, hey, you're a realist.
01:09:45.000You understand that losers don't legislate.
01:09:48.000Like either you get that or you don't, right?
01:09:50.000So I think it's probably a solid 10 to 20% of the Republican wing is what I would call still Tea Party libertarian.
01:09:59.000I mean, most people, this is not a shot at voters, but as we all know, most Republican voters are working class trying to put food on the table, taking their kids to basketball practice, right?
01:10:08.000They're not ideologues, but I think it is somewhere between 10, 10 to 20% that I would consider to be hardcore liberty slash Tea Party slash, hey, the debt's a problem.
01:10:23.000Like he used to be a little bit more libertarian-minded, but then he started raging against it because he thought a lot of bad ideas worked their way into the conservative movement because of it.
01:10:33.000But it doesn't mean that it's all bad.
01:10:35.000Some of the abstractions are pretty fun to think through.
01:10:38.000But yeah, to your point, if they're realist, then we can work with them.
01:10:42.000And the question with Thomas Massey is, if, say, you get a new president there, will he be able to work willing to work with like a JD Vance or Marco Rubio?
01:10:54.000I think 2028, JD Vance, God willing, gets in the White House, right?
01:10:59.000I think you're going to see a big liberty push.
01:11:02.000I think JD is going to embrace a lot of it.
01:11:04.000And that doesn't mean he's disagreeing with Trump.
01:11:05.000I'm just saying, I just think the timing of that, if Massey and Rand, I think the Freedom Clock is, I think JD is going to be one of the best presidents of our lifetime.
01:11:13.000And I think it's going to be a huge opportunity.
01:11:15.000But like Tyler said, if it doesn't happen under JD, it's not going to happen.
01:11:19.000I mean, I would argue for 30 or 40 years that the actual limited government wing has a voice.
01:11:25.000This is probably the biggest opportunity we have.
01:11:26.000And right now, everybody's fighting, which is a problem.
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01:12:40.000We talked about it a little bit the other day, but we really need to marinate in the lovely poetry of perennial Charlie punching bag Eric Swalwell.
01:12:48.000Who's, by the way, the leading they have, they do a jungle primary in California, and he's the leading Dem.
01:13:14.000I mean, he's just a, I mean, it is pervy, it is scary that that could be a governor.
01:13:21.000Like, if Eric Swalwell can become a governor, I was, I mean, in no, in no normal country do they let guys like Eric Swalwell become governor.
01:13:52.000He also did the, he did the Michelle Obama is going to run for president.
01:13:59.000That one didn't pan out as much, but the Trayvon hoax is a must-watch because he basically proves that the prosecution team in the George Zimmerman trial engaged in witness fraud.
01:14:11.000Rachel Gentel, they had her as Trayvon Martin's girlfriend, and she was a total imposter case.
01:17:51.000Okay, well, we're going to get a very different voice.
01:17:53.000This is him describing his trip to Cancun, which instead of being, you know, poetry voice has to be, I guess, dude bro voice.
01:18:02.000At each club, we did a stage show, usually karaoke to various popular summer anthems.
01:18:07.000But we were not limited to song and dance.
01:18:10.000One club asked a friend and me if we would be interested in being honorary guest judges of the largest swimsuit contest in Cancun.
01:18:18.000Being the opportunist that we are, we gladly obliged.
01:18:23.000Other perks included unlimited jet skiing the whole week, complimentary meals at fat Tuesdays, and a heavily discounted scuba diving trip to Cozumel.
01:22:12.000One of the Republicans needs to drop out and consolidate.
01:22:14.000And obviously, Charlie endorsed Steve Hilton.
01:22:17.000So Chad Bianco, we would just love for you to consolidate forces right behind Steve Hilton and make sure we got a Republican on that ticket.
01:22:26.000But I would argue I think the best chance is honestly that idea of like, because of the top two, the voter registration numbers, the reality is that for a Republican to win in the general is like almost is very difficult.
01:22:38.000I mean, you're like under a million votes.
01:22:41.000Yeah, but we got voter ID on the ballot too.
01:22:43.000There's going to be a lot that is going to generate a lot of energy for the I get it.
01:22:47.000What Cliff's saying is, like, that would be an awesome situation if, like, Steve and Chad manage to squeak out a situation where they make it through and in the top two primary.
01:22:58.000That may be the reason why Democrats want to eliminate the top two primary in a state like California is if that happens, because this type of thing may never happen again for a long time because Democrats are really good at like trying to game the system.
01:23:13.000Yeah, scare everybody out of the race.
01:23:15.000Usually, the Republicans in California, they'll run like 15 candidates, and then the Democrats run like one or two, and then the Dems end up a lot of times winning the top two in each of these in these races.
01:23:28.000This is part of the reason why the Republican Party has been eradicated in California, which is the top two primaries.
01:23:32.000Javier Becerra, you got Antonio Villa Rogosa.
01:23:35.000Do you know that Antonio, we're talking about last names with Galliego.
01:24:36.000We talked about Barack Obama and whether he confirmed aliens existed, whether aliens do exist, whether aliens should exist, whether it might be good if they destroyed us all.
01:25:32.000So, you know, we're pre-recording this.
01:25:34.000Obviously, as you can see, it is Ash Wednesday where I'm at.
01:25:38.000I am currently with the president right now, probably on Air Force One at the moment, flying with him around on this Board of Peace situation and then going down to Georgia for the speech that he's having over there, seeing if we're going to strike Iran anytime soon.
01:26:38.000So I don't know how safe it would be because if President Obama is telling the truth and the aliens are real, I'm pretty sure they could take out Air Force One like they're just swatting down a fly.
01:27:03.000Like they revealed themselves to Trump and he says, like, why didn't you reveal yourselves to Obama?
01:27:08.000And they're like, well, we needed to wait for a real president or like a more, or the aliens watch too much TV and too much movies and they only think it's a real president if he looks more TV appropriate.
01:27:21.000It's kind of like, wasn't that the plot of that Galaxy Quest movie?
01:27:23.000Like it was a civilization that based itself on watching Star Trek episodes that got beamed into space.
01:28:21.000Well, what's crazy, though, is the people who believe in like, so I'm 100% sure that Barack Obama is a huge Star Trek guy and more than likely a TNG guy, which is the next generation for people who, you know, are following at home.
01:28:34.000Because TNG is like, it's basically like Libchart Future.
01:28:41.000Are you just wildly speculating, Jack?
01:28:43.000Because I remember, I think right when he took office, there was some notorious white kind of all the guys soy facing, except Soy Face wasn't a meme yet, because he did the Vulcan salute to somebody at the event.
01:29:00.000That, you know, that, because, but for people who like believe in Star Trek as like a political ideology, they sit there and go like, well, wouldn't it be great if we had like, because there were a bunch of episodes in The Next Generation where they kind of like crap on capitalism and they say like,
01:29:16.000oh, we've, there's, there's one episode where a guy who's like a businessman was, I don't know, he's like cryogenically frozen or something and he gets he gets reanimated in the 24th century and he starts kind of talking about like business and stuff like that.
01:29:31.000And Picard is sort of like hoo-pooing him and say, oh, we've, we've outdone, we've, we've all, we've, you know, moved beyond such outdated versions of capitalism.
01:29:43.000And I remember money and we don't have those things anymore.
01:29:47.000I remember it's like one of the episodes for and they're like, we serve for the progress of science.
01:29:54.000I remember one of the few episodes I have seen, it was like he has he intervened.
01:29:59.000It was like someone was posing as a magical goddess who'd blessed this planet.
01:30:03.000And like Picard has to come in and, you know, he reveals that she's a charlatan because it's like they thought that she'd save them from destruction, but they'd saved themselves.
01:30:12.000And the way they'd saved themselves is they'd dismantled their backwards industrial economy and moved to an agrarian socialist economy.
01:30:19.000And this had saved them from annihilation.
01:30:22.000It might be one of the movies, actually.
01:30:41.000It's probably like democrat socialism more than communism directly because it's this weird idea that like, oh, if you remove scarcity, then everyone's just going to get along.
01:30:52.000And like the Klingons are bad because they just, they just don't go along with the rules-based order of the federation.
01:30:58.000And it's, it's, it's, it's like the globalist future.
01:31:01.000And they, they have this, and of course, the question comes up.
01:31:05.000It's like, how do you, okay, so how do you get rid of the scarcity problem?
01:31:08.000And the scarcity problem is, of course, resources.
01:31:12.000So competition for resources is what we have in the, in, in not just the U.S., the whole world, right?
01:31:17.000So this is why, you know, wars do tend to break out.
01:31:21.000We have scarcity of land, scarcity of minerals, et cetera, et cetera, right?
01:31:25.000So how do they get away with that in Star Trek?
01:31:29.000Literally, they had to come up with magic called, with, which is something called the replicator.
01:31:35.000And the replicator is this magical device, which again, they don't even try to explain in Star Trek that just gives you whatever food or whatever like drink or beverage or meal you want at like, you know, the snap of your fingers.
01:31:53.000And of course, Picard is always like, gee, oh, Ray, hot, you know, and it just gears.
01:31:57.000And it's like, well, well, what went in, like, like, even if you have a 3D printer, like you have to put something into it.
01:32:03.000Yeah, it's just a true perfect matter converter.
01:32:06.000And yeah, just magical post-scarcity situation.
01:32:09.000And it's, it's so funny because I know there's been other works of fiction where they develop the same thing.
01:32:14.000Like, oh, they have perfect post-scarcity.
01:32:16.000And some of them are interesting because a lot of those societies, the way they portray them is they get like total ennui, like nothing can give them interest or joy anymore.
01:32:24.000So like they literally like want to kill themselves.
01:32:52.000They have universal basic income on Earth.
01:32:56.000And it's like people just sort of like, but it's still like a wastrel kind of like waste of time and space.
01:33:03.000People don't really have jobs because, you know, it's sort of like, okay, well, we have this basic income and yet everything still sucks anyway.
01:33:09.000But then also Earth gets destroyed in that series and like nobody seems to care.
01:34:44.000I like the old, I forget, it may have been Carl Sagan or someone else who said, you know, if there isn't, if there isn't anything, that's an awful, awful big waste of space to, you know, and when you look at probabilities, you know, the probability of this many planets and galaxies existing in the universe would tend to, you know, tend to show that you that life could have arisen on other planets somewhere out there, and we just haven't found it yet.
01:35:13.000I also, you know, this idea of interdimensional type things, that there's higher dimensions that we don't know about.
01:35:31.000But at the same time, you know, I'm also not really, and I'll just say it, like, I'm not really a big believer in this whole like, you know, the UAPs and the government is secretly, the secret programs and stuff.
01:35:46.000And I just, I'm not, I'm not, and I say that as like a guy who is literally in the intelligence community that I'm like, I've just never seen anything that strikes me as credible there.
01:35:56.000Yeah, I guess I would just lean towards, I guess, man, I want to have a more decisive one since you're a little more on the fence.
01:36:03.000If I had to say, I'm going to go, I'm going to embrace like, I feel like maybe it just hasn't happened.
01:36:08.000Maybe I'd say probably no intelligent life out there.
01:36:11.000I kind of go towards, what's the big, who's the guy who predicted the singularity?
01:36:26.000Ray Kurzweil, he had an interesting take where he, since he believes in the singularity, he actually would argue humans are the first form of intelligent life that's ever emerged.
01:36:36.000And he believes it because he thinks kind of the singularity is, you know, super intelligence that would then, he thinks we would immediately permeate the whole universe.
01:36:43.000We'd kind of turn the whole universe into circuitry.
01:36:46.000And his argument is that that's so inevitable if there were intelligent life, that humans must be the first form of intelligent life because we don't see the evidence of that in our own galaxy or anywhere else in the universe.
01:36:59.000And I kind of, I'm sympathetic to that.
01:37:02.000I think, you know, there's the classic Fermi paradox.
01:37:05.000If it seems like there's a gazillion stars and there's even more planets orbiting those stars, it seems like it should have happened.
01:37:13.000And I think it might really be that Earth, like a habitable Earth-like planet that can have life, that is given enough time to become intelligent life that can then, and then that that in turn develops technology that is able to do things.
01:37:27.000I could lean towards that being the only ones who are out there.
01:37:42.000What are your top three great filters that are keeping civilization from going to the stars?
01:37:47.000Well, so these are the great, let me explain it for the audience.
01:37:49.000So the great filter theory is like kind of the response to this that says, that says, okay, well, what if there's a problem that exists?
01:37:58.000And this is sort of going back to that Star Trek thinking of, you know, industrial societies and being, you know, inherently destructive, that the great filter is that some, for some reason, societies only progress to the point where they're just about to, you know, embark on space travel and then something happens that either destroys the society, destroys the planet, kills all life, or just prevents them from being able to embark on that level of a society.
01:38:28.000So, I mean, you know, probably, you know, probably just that just nuclear war or something along those lines is just.
01:38:36.000Of course, by the way, relativity, just relativity itself is a huge problem.
01:38:53.000It's like you're reading the archives of like some historian in a lost civilization and he's like viewing the patterns and he's just like, we found this civilization and then we found another civilization on this other planet and all of them destroyed themselves.
01:39:04.000And every single one of them, it was, they reached a certain level of development and then they all started soy facing and dying, dying, the things growing out of their heads different colors and stopping, they cease to reproduce and all of that.
01:39:20.000Yeah, no, that reminds me of some of the those, what do they call them?
01:39:24.000The mouse, you know, the mouse utopia experiments where when a society gets to a certain point of self-sufficiency, that it becomes almost like it's, this is what we actually, this is the response, by the way,
01:39:38.000to the replicator argument that when a society has too many resources, when you eliminate the need for resource scarcity or you eliminate all resource scarcity, that this actually breaks down society because society is actually governed and along a hierarchy of resource distribution.
01:39:57.000And so when there is no competition, you get people who check out of society, you get low fertility rates, you get a, I'll just say it, they saw a rise in same-sex relationships again among the mice in these experiments.
01:40:14.000And you had people who were constantly worried about, or mice, I should say, mice, mice, mice, not people, who were constantly worried about their looks, who were trying to looks max, as the kids would say these days.
01:40:28.000And they lend themselves towards essentially destroying their society rather than, and it created a behavioral sync where they couldn't even raise kids anymore.
01:40:38.000And then the ones who did end up kids had not been raised by parents themselves and it just essentially destroyed their society.
01:40:47.000Man, your Angelo's message us, he's telling us about the dark forest theory.
01:40:52.000That is that the dark forest theory is that life is all over the place.
01:40:55.000Like every other planet has people on it.
01:40:57.000But the smart ones, aka everyone but us, realizes that you don't talk to everyone in space because if you do, it's like you're walking through a dark forest full of wolves and you're screaming, hey, everybody.
01:41:28.000I just saw in the chat that you put in the Fermi paradox.
01:41:32.000I wasn't even reading the stuff you're writing.
01:41:35.000That, yeah, so it's like, it's like, because we're not using our cloaking systems, you know, we're the ones who are going to get, we're the ones who are going to get wrecked when we might be.
01:41:45.000I mean, it does feel very like utopian in hindsight, where as soon as we get radio waves, we're just blasting them out into space.
01:41:52.000That we have SETI and we're just saying, hey, we're here.
01:42:15.000I showed my kids the first movie adaptation of War of the Worlds, the 1950s version with the long, the long necks that pop out and the heat rays just like blasting everybody.
01:42:26.000And what's interesting about that is like this even comes up in there where they first say, oh my gosh, this is, you know, it's first contact.
01:42:34.000And then it's like, you know, and then immediately they just start killing everybody.
01:42:39.000And it's like, and it's like, yeah, that's, that's probably something that could happen.
01:42:43.000And then the fact, though, that, so, you know, spoiler alert, even though this came out like 100 years ago, they get, they get killed by human bacteria.
01:42:51.000The problem, though, is, of course, what if the aliens have like Martian bacteria that we've never experienced before and they kill all of us, which could, which I think Stephen Hawking even talked about before, that just direct contact with alien life might be enough to kill us.
01:43:08.000That would be a darkly interesting, that would be like a good sci-fi horror thing, I think.
01:43:12.000Like there's first contact between two species and the end would just be they both mutually destroy each other.
01:43:18.000And like just of disease, everyone drops dead.
01:43:28.000I read the book and then a while ago, and if I remember correctly, that that was a huge issue they had where it was like, so it's, it's, you know, in the movie, it's going to be Ryan Gosling, but then they, so he's like in his pod and then he connects with an alien pod and they're communicating, but they can never, they can never leave their pods because they're worried about that.
01:43:45.000And so I'm thinking about what, since we're pre-taping this, we can't see the emails or messages, but I'm thinking of what has come in when we discussed this before.
01:43:52.000And I know a lot of people, they take the point of view that if aliens do exist, this is actually something we've heard.
01:43:58.000Tucker's talked about it, just the belief things we think are aliens are actually demonic entities, or that just in general, there can't be aliens because they're not mentioned in the Bible or scriptures.
01:44:10.000And so they can't exist for that reason.
01:44:16.000I think I would adhere, C.S. Lewis said this, that there's nothing really innately implausible that God could create non-human creatures that are still, you could say, human in the biblical sense, that they are ensouled beings because they have human levels of cognitive development, wisdom, whatever we would believe in that sense.
01:44:37.000I know I've also, I've mentioned this before.
01:44:39.000I've read short fiction that even speculates there could be aliens that exist.
01:44:43.000And because they exist, they also need their own version of the incarnation, which in theory is possible.
01:44:49.000People have speculated that Christ appears in the Old Testament.
01:44:56.000I know one take is that Methuselah is actually like an incarnate, a case of the incarnation.
01:45:03.000Not Methuselah, Melchizedek, that Melchizedek is like a Christ appearance in the Old Testament, or that when the three men visit Abraham, that that is the Trinity visiting him.
01:45:16.000It's interesting to speculate upon, in my opinion.
01:45:20.000Yeah, there's also a couple things in the Bible, in the Old Testament.
01:45:23.000Again, Ezekiel's wheels, of course, is like a common thing that people refer to, the wheels within wheels with eyes.
01:45:31.000And now some people say, well, that was angels.
01:45:34.000But then other people point out to say, you know, could that have been some kind of extraterrestrial being or extra-dimensional in this case, being?
01:45:43.000Elijah's chariot, of course, the chariot of fire that Elijah took to heaven.
01:45:51.000The Nephilim, which of course come up in Genesis, these sons of God or humans who mated with some kind of, did they mate with fallen angels?
01:46:00.000Did that turn into, you know, did that turn into something?
01:46:03.000And again, you know, of course, Tucker has talked about this.
01:46:06.000A lot of people, Joe Rogan has gotten into this, Mo Gibson, that, you know, could what we describe as aliens just be non-human life that's from another plane of existence.
01:46:19.000And so when I was talking about interdimensional or extra-dimensional earlier on, you know, the Bible certainly talks about beings from other planes of existence, ones which are benevolent angels and ones which are malevolent, which are demons, which we refer to.
01:46:34.000And so it's simply just, you know, I would say a point of view or a matter of perspective as to say, well, would those count as aliens or something like that?
01:46:42.000Because the Bible certainly does talk quite a bit about non-human entities.
01:46:50.000It's, I think it's what I always would caution people who say, like, oh, the Bible says emphatically that there can't be aliens is, among other things, I would just say, well, then what if we find them?
01:47:02.000Is that going to disprove the Bible for you?
01:47:19.000So they put the weird Mason eye on the U.S. dollar.
01:47:22.000But actually, I was messing with on a quick, quick side note, but since we're on the show, I might as well mention, long-term super listeners and OGs might remember that when Charlie spoke at the RNC in 2024, they were doing like theme nights at the RNC, and he was, his night was Make America Wealthy Again.
01:47:49.000And like you and I were there together.
01:47:51.000And because he spoke that night, they had, while he was speaking on the stage behind him, they were using like stock images of money and they happened to have the all-seeing eye like directly behind him when he was speaking.
01:48:07.000And I remember giving him so much crap about that.
01:48:09.000I was like, Charlie Kirk, Illuminati, confirmed.
01:48:52.000You know, a great historical note I love.
01:48:55.000The first political party in America, and I think maybe the first political party in like world history to have a political platform explicitly published, I believe was the Anti-Masonic Party, the Anti-Mason conspiracy party that the U.S. had in the 1830s and 40s, I think is when they grew out.
01:49:18.000If I remember it, I think the anti-Masonic party even basically evolved into like the same people who were into it.
01:49:25.000A lot of them were then in the Know Nothing Party, which then a lot of those people went into the Republican Party.
01:49:33.000And so fun, fun American political history there.
01:49:37.000You know, and I'll certainly put this out, you know, you know, Catholics, it is still on the books in Catholic doctrine that you cannot be a Catholic in good standing and be a member of the Freemasons.
01:49:57.000Alex Jones joining us all of a sudden.
01:50:00.000Well, Alex Jones, I remember he said once that the reason the Illuminati and the Masons aren't as powerful as they used to be is that they're just in control of the Intel community now.
01:50:14.000Yeah, you think about the purposes, like why that actually came out is that the Masons and their secret meetings were vectors for anti-religious sentiment.
01:50:25.000And it was almost like the secretive deep state group chats of their day that you could have these meetings and you would plot to overthrow the church, overthrow monarchy.
01:50:35.000And nowadays, yeah, you could just have that as your signal chat where you guys coordinate on how to undermine the trumpets.
01:50:50.000And so, and it made sense because if you, you know, if you spoke out against the crown when the crown was still in power, like you're, you're done for.
01:51:28.000secret societies in mexico secret societies all over the place but you're not allowed to join them you are your catholic in good standing societies freedom at charliekirk.com And if you're in a secret society, we should do like a late night episode where we do just like Art Bell style.
01:51:53.000If you, if anyone remembers the old Art Bell Coast to Coast AM, remember?
01:51:57.000I think that's still on air, isn't it?
01:52:00.000It's on air, but he hasn't run it anymore because he ascended to a higher plane.
01:52:34.000Tell us the Super Bowl winners, the rest of it.
01:52:36.000Please do because we need to make all the money.
01:52:39.000Tell us how the guy who brought us, who started this, tell us how Barack Obama is remembered in the Chinese language histories that they write about this country 200 years from.
01:52:52.000Because it's now the year of the horse in China that Draco Malfoy has from Harry Potter has now become like the mascot of the year of the horse.
01:53:30.000Yeah, apparently it's that his name, his translation is Mao Fu, and that basically means horse and good fortune, which they mean because I believe it's specifically, I believe it's specifically the year of the fire horse, and that is a bad luck omen.
01:53:46.000Yeah, that would be hua, like hua ma, hua as fire.
01:53:50.000Yeah, because it is specifically that year, and it's so severe.
01:53:54.000If you, if you check, like the number of births they'll have will drop by a third because no one wants to have a kid during the fire horse year because it is inauspicious.
01:54:02.000Could you imagine having a kid during the fire horse year?