The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 116 — What Is 'White Culture'? Eric Swalwell's Poetry? Thomas Massie, Friend or Foe?

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00:01:09.000 We're here, and it's Thought Crime Thursday, and helping us to navigate all of the various thought crimes is Cliff Maloney backed by Popular Demand.

00:01:18.000 Cliff, welcome back, man.

00:01:19.000 It's good to see you all.

00:01:20.000 It's been a while.

00:01:21.000 I know.

00:01:22.000 We needed a break from you, but now we're ready again.

00:01:26.000 Just kidding.

00:01:27.000 Good to be here.

00:01:27.000 Just kidding.

00:01:28.000 You know, we're going to talk about Thomas Massey later in the show.

00:01:31.000 So I think that's what we're doing.

00:01:31.000 Yeah, you've got to step up for your man.

00:01:33.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:01:34.000 A lot of people are getting very agitated about him.

00:01:37.000 But that's not where we're starting.

00:01:38.000 And by the way, Tyler Boyer is going to be joining us in just a minute.

00:01:40.000 Allegedly, we'll see.

00:01:42.000 He better get his ball.

00:01:44.000 I just saw him.

00:01:45.000 He's around.

00:01:46.000 We delayed our start for him.

00:01:48.000 He's got to hustle up.

00:01:49.000 So the first topic up for bids is white people.

00:01:55.000 What is white culture?

00:01:57.000 Which is another reason we had Cliff Maloney.

00:01:59.000 We needed to get America's mathematics.

00:01:59.000 Exactly.

00:02:02.000 We needed a white person to make sure. 0.93

00:02:04.000 We needed to make sure we had a white person around to discuss this topic. 1.00

00:02:07.000 I'm insufficiently white, apparently.

00:02:09.000 He's too Mexican. 1.00

00:02:10.000 No, but this is...

00:02:11.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:02:13.000 You've called that too.

00:02:15.000 So, no, we wanted to talk about this.

00:02:17.000 So we had Trump nominee, Jeremy Carl, on the show the other day.

00:02:21.000 He also is up for a nomination in Congress, and they really interrogated him because he wrote a book, The Unprotected Class, that's about how it's okay to discriminate against white people in America.

00:02:31.000 Kill all wits.

00:02:32.000 Yes, kill all wits, it says on the cover.

00:02:35.000 And they also, they specifically pressed him.

00:02:38.000 I believe it was Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut was like pressing at him to define what white identity or white culture was in the context of things.

00:02:49.000 In fact, we actually have that clip.

00:02:51.000 We could just show that real quick.

00:02:52.000 267.

00:02:53.000 Tell me how you define white identity and what you think is being erased about white identity.

00:02:57.000 I am concerned with the majority common American culture that we had for some time that through particularly mass immigration, I think has become much more balkanized.

00:03:09.000 And I think that weakens us.

00:03:10.000 And again, I'm not running away from that comment.

00:03:12.000 I'm not apologizing for it.

00:03:14.000 So they went back and forth a little bit about that, but there's a bigger context of what's going on where some people have criticized the idea that it exists.

00:03:22.000 And so AOC was, for some reason, at the Munich Security Conference.

00:03:27.000 I think we know what AOC was at.

00:03:29.000 Oh, yes, indeed.

00:03:30.000 And so she was there and she talked very incoherently about a lot of security topics, but she also talked about those darn whites. 0.98

00:03:38.000 And so we have this clip, 610.

00:03:43.000 There's a very big difference between whiteness and national, like your actual culture, right?

00:03:55.000 Whiteness is an imaginary thing. 0.91

00:03:58.000 Being German is real.

00:04:00.000 Being Italian is real.

00:04:03.000 You know, being English.

00:04:06.000 These are rich cultural heritages that are based on values and they are so much a part of what make our cultures and our societies what they are.

00:04:20.000 Why do I feel like she's trying to strangle whiteness while she's talking about white people?

00:04:25.000 I'm actually, I'm thinking of her like being, yeah, like a witch, like conjuring up like ball lightning.

00:04:29.000 It's getting different.

00:04:30.000 I also want to submit that it should be heritage.

00:04:34.000 I don't know why, but heritage is, I don't know.

00:04:36.000 Oh, something like that.

00:04:38.000 Heritage.

00:04:39.000 So I think that's kind of, that's the starting point for this conversation is what AOC was saying.

00:04:44.000 She was saying there is German culture, there is English culture, French culture, Italian culture, whatever you like, but there's no such thing as white culture.

00:04:53.000 And I think that's, I think that's an interesting question.

00:04:56.000 Does it exist?

00:04:56.000 And I think it's an important thing to ask because if you're most of, I think if you're most Americans, you're kind of a Euro-mutt.

00:05:05.000 So I don't think any of us have a strong sense of being specifically Italian or Polish or whatever.

00:05:11.000 And if we have any identity that's other than just big American, but with every other group in America, you know, we'll have American identity and subgroup identity.

00:05:19.000 So does a white culture exist?

00:05:23.000 And if so, what actually is it?

00:05:25.000 I think we need to throw Cliff Maloney in the hot seat.

00:05:28.000 Cliff, to you, you're first.

00:05:30.000 Does it exist?

00:05:32.000 I don't necessarily think a white culture exists, but I think that we have laws that pretty much exclude whites or include everyone that is not white. 0.56

00:05:42.000 And so you kind of have to think of it.

00:05:44.000 Like Chris Murphy, this is going to sound weird because usually when I think of politicians, I really think that they have a deeper understanding.

00:05:52.000 I think he believes what he's saying.

00:05:53.000 I think when he asked Jeremy, like, hey, do you, like, are you really thinking that whites are the most pervasive when it comes to racism against them?

00:06:02.000 I think Chris Murphy buys the BS that he's been fed that, you know, whites have to have white guilt.

00:06:08.000 And of course, you know, we have it better than everybody else.

00:06:11.000 And he just, he believes what he's saying.

00:06:14.000 And I just, I love when they kind of get called on this.

00:06:16.000 So do I think there's a white culture?

00:06:19.000 I think that there is enough out there that puts whites in a box, whether it's for good or for bad, that yes, we've kind of had this situation where, you know, I'm what? 0.94

00:06:28.000 Scottish, Irish, Welsh, you know, we're all mutts, as you would say.

00:06:33.000 But I don't ever identify with a white culture.

00:06:36.000 I just think that in certain things, we just get lumped into that box.

00:06:42.000 All right.

00:06:43.000 I'm proud to be white.

00:06:45.000 Okay.

00:06:46.000 But does it mean whether it's white culture?

00:06:49.000 Singing Sweet Caroline every wedding I go to.

00:06:53.000 Ooh, brutal.

00:06:54.000 With every white in the audience singing along. 0.88

00:06:57.000 But also, like, look, okay, like, all of us will band together on that one.

00:07:03.000 No, but.

00:07:04.000 At a wedding, I'll do it.

00:07:06.000 Resilience, determination, inevitable genius.

00:07:09.000 Like, take a 100 random Europeans from different countries.

00:07:13.000 So we got like Scotland, Wales, like different areas of even the UK.

00:07:13.000 Okay.

00:07:19.000 Take Slovakia, Hungary, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and put them all in Antarctica with everything they need to survive. 0.96

00:07:28.000 Leave them for 500 years and you come back to this great civilization.

00:07:32.000 And every single migrant in the world, every single Muslim, once they see this great civilization in Antarctica, will want to move there. 1.00

00:07:41.000 White people are great at building. 1.00

00:07:43.000 They're great at resilience, figuring out whatever they need to figure out.

00:07:47.000 They're great at surviving.

00:07:48.000 But here's the thing about white people. 0.66

00:07:50.000 Like, what are we of the world's population?

00:07:53.000 Like, 7%?

00:07:54.000 Something like that?

00:07:55.000 So America or white people? 0.59

00:07:56.000 No, white people.

00:07:58.000 It's like at like 10% now.

00:07:59.000 Maybe I think it's going down.

00:08:01.000 It used to be 35%.

00:08:03.000 Actually, Elon Musk tweeted about this.

00:08:05.000 It was like 35% at some point is high watermark.

00:08:08.000 And now we're down to like 10%.

00:08:10.000 Yeah, but to say that there is no white culture because there's so many different factions of white culture, like German, Italian, French from the UK, is to say that there's no Spanish culture.

00:08:24.000 Even though there's so many different factions of Spanish people.

00:08:27.000 Well, genuinely, I think the most important point to illustrate that there probably is a white culture is if we were to say, is there a black culture in the United States distinct from just being American? 0.51

00:08:37.000 We would obviously say yes.

00:08:38.000 There's a ton of cultural traits that make black people stand out from the rest of the country. 1.00

00:08:44.000 And they're still American.

00:08:44.000 There's still a lot of American cultural traits there that make black people, black Americans stand out from Nigerians.

00:08:50.000 Yes.

00:08:51.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:08:52.000 And, you know, what I would say, as Cliff said, like, there's laws that discriminate against us in America.

00:08:59.000 So clearly, white people are seen as being a discrete group if they can be discriminated against.

00:09:05.000 I'm going to cut through the noise here.

00:09:07.000 Of course, there's a white culture. 0.73

00:09:09.000 Of course there's a white culture. 0.59

00:09:11.000 I'm sorry, but I'll go to a football game in the South or in the upper Midwest or wherever, and all the white people celebrate that football game just about the same. 0.60

00:09:22.000 Now, the Eagles fans may beg to differ.

00:09:26.000 Cliff Maloney may feel like there's only one fan base that does it the right way.

00:09:30.000 But it's like, we all know the same drinking games.

00:09:33.000 We all know the same movies.

00:09:35.000 We all know the same songs.

00:09:36.000 We all know the same stupid line dances and all the things, even if you don't know exactly the words or exactly the steps.

00:09:41.000 Like we're aware.

00:09:42.000 There is absolutely a white culture.

00:09:44.000 It's a hegemonic, a hegemonic culture in this country.

00:09:48.000 That's what upsets them all, okay?

00:09:51.000 But you can't fault us for the fact that this was established essentially from the turn of the last century into about the 1960s or 70s when there was no basic, no mass migration going on between the Great Depression and 1965.

00:10:08.000 And that is when this great congealing happened.

00:10:10.000 We won a world war.

00:10:11.000 We started dominating the manufacturing around the world and productivity around the world.

00:10:17.000 And it just congealed altogether.

00:10:19.000 We were actually able to assimilate the Polish and the Italians and this second wave of white immigration that we experienced at the latter half, well, the last couple decades of the 1800s and the early part of the 20th century.

00:10:34.000 But yes, there is absolutely a white culture, and that is all rooted in Anglo-culture.

00:10:39.000 Why?

00:10:40.000 Because it was the Brits and the Scots and the Welsh and the Irish that all came together and created an Anglo-centric culture.

00:10:47.000 That's where we get our laws, our customs, our norms, our language.

00:10:51.000 We are an Anglo-culture.

00:10:53.000 We are an Anglo-white culture that's spiced up with a few different varietals from other parts of the world.

00:10:58.000 And it's a beautiful thing.

00:10:59.000 There's nobody in the world that is going to say this white American is like this Australian white person.

00:11:06.000 Nobody in the world is going to say this Canadian, well, Canadian's a little bit different, or this British is like this American, because over the years, it's congealed and formed, as cultures do, they're living organisms, into its own thing.

00:11:18.000 And guess what?

00:11:19.000 It's a beautiful thing.

00:11:20.000 It's a good thing.

00:11:21.000 It's a thing that landed on the moon.

00:11:23.000 All you moon truthers, get off my back here. 1.00

00:11:27.000 That won two world wars, that settled the plains, that built up a beautiful civilization, that built really rad cars and Hollywood and all this.

00:11:36.000 We have our culture.

00:11:37.000 We like baseball.

00:11:40.000 White culture likes baseball. 0.77

00:11:41.000 We like hot dogs.

00:11:42.000 All of this stuff is incredibly American.

00:11:44.000 And to suggest that it doesn't exist is the height of insanity.

00:11:48.000 And it's deeply infuriating, actually, which is why you're seeing the rise of a white identity in the United States. 0.95

00:11:54.000 Well, I think that's actually that gets at what I would say is truly a white cultural practice in the United States, and there is a certain self-effacing aspect to it. 0.66

00:12:05.000 So, for example, I would say it is specifically in America a white cultural trait to want to sort of efface race as a factor to someone else.

00:12:15.000 Well, because we were done with it for so long.

00:12:16.000 No, I don't even think it's that.

00:12:18.000 I think that's actually a little bit more innate than that because notably we kind of continue to do it even as we're nearly not a majority of the country.

00:12:27.000 There is a desire to not have any bias towards an in-group towards your own group just for the sake of it.

00:12:34.000 Every other group?

00:12:36.000 Every other group does every other group openly does.

00:12:39.000 You can run the poll where it'll say, they'll ask people what do you on average rate different races as, and every race will rate their own high and white people low.

00:12:48.000 And then white people are very careful to just rate them every race the exact same.

00:12:53.000 I think that actually cultural practice is.

00:12:55.000 I don't mean to go backwards on this.

00:12:57.000 So did Secretary Arubio do this at the Hofbruy house upstairs?

00:13:01.000 I don't think so.

00:13:02.000 Okay.

00:13:03.000 As long as that didn't happen, then we're good.

00:13:06.000 Dude, what?

00:13:07.000 Are you just doing a Hitler thing? 0.83

00:13:10.000 I'm not doing a Hitler.

00:13:11.000 How dare you say that?

00:13:13.000 I'm late.

00:13:14.000 The Hofbruj House in Munich is a great place for families to go and enjoy a great day.

00:13:20.000 Nothing historically important has ever happened there.

00:13:23.000 Nothing historic has happened upstairs.

00:13:25.000 No historic things have happened in Munich beer halls named the Hofbru House.

00:13:29.000 Okay.

00:13:30.000 Which they have one in Vegas, but I don't think it's a good thing.

00:13:32.000 But we're not even talking about his music.

00:13:33.000 I guess you have a Nazi upstairs. 0.88

00:13:35.000 But look, put an Australian, a British person, you know, us in a room with a bunch of Chinese, Kazakhstani, you know, Japanese.

00:13:46.000 What are the Kazakhstanis?

00:13:47.000 Africans.

00:13:48.000 And we will, all the white people will bond together. 0.80

00:13:51.000 We'll figure it out on the same page.

00:13:53.000 Me and the British person, you know, they'll come over and be like, oh, look, I love you guys.

00:13:58.000 Listen, I think Trump lost his mind.

00:14:00.000 But look, like, Trump's lost his mind, but like, we're on the same page.

00:14:05.000 Listen, common history, right?

00:14:07.000 Common history.

00:14:10.000 You're talking with a black British accent, though, right?

00:14:12.000 No, no, it's not.

00:14:12.000 Yeah, you are.

00:14:14.000 No, I was going to definitely say that.

00:14:16.000 Blink and I were just there recently.

00:14:18.000 Is that a black British accent?

00:14:19.000 No, it's not.

00:14:20.000 You have your best black British accent.

00:14:22.000 Well, they all sound the same.

00:14:23.000 So here's the deal.

00:14:24.000 No, that's not true.

00:14:25.000 Here's the deal, though.

00:14:26.000 What he's explaining is actually really true.

00:14:29.000 It's not that different races are not able to share the same culture.

00:14:34.000 It's the distance between culture actually is felt socially.

00:14:38.000 Meaning, I might have a really great black friend, and that's great.

00:14:45.000 But if you put me in a room full of strangers, I'm going to naturally share more in common with other white people from other countries.

00:14:51.000 And you see that play out culturally because the distance, cultural distance is shorter.

00:14:56.000 Yeah.

00:14:57.000 And that's okay.

00:14:58.000 We shouldn't be so afraid of that.

00:14:59.000 Culture is emergent as well.

00:15:01.000 So why do white people exist? 0.68

00:15:02.000 Are white people a discrete group?

00:15:05.000 Yes, they are, because everyone basically says they are.

00:15:07.000 Our statistics all say they are.

00:15:09.000 All popular discourse says they do.

00:15:10.000 And then are there things that are there cultural practices that white people in particular do in America?

00:15:16.000 And you know, you know there are because for the past five, six years, we've had endless freakouts over things that are too white.

00:15:24.000 I remember our national parks were too white. 0.86

00:15:26.000 Do you remember the black, the Smithsonian, the African American Museum that literally defined whiteness? 0.73

00:15:32.000 On top of that, but not even just that.

00:15:33.000 Not even just that.

00:15:34.000 It's that, like, go to a, I'll pick my favorite.

00:15:37.000 I've been to a few heavy metal concerts in my time, and I went to, I went to a Judas Priest and Saxon concert in Judas Priest and Saxon in Washington, D.C. In Washington, D.C.

00:15:49.000 And I'll say Washington, D.C. is a very diverse city.

00:15:52.000 Any number of Hispanics and black people and Indians and whoever could have gone there.

00:15:56.000 And I will say that was a very European crowd and one Native American.

00:16:02.000 I favorite Anglo-Saxon.

00:16:06.000 Yes.

00:16:08.000 Here is my career.

00:16:10.000 That's so unexpected.

00:16:12.000 This is my theory.

00:16:14.000 What was that one Supreme Court justice that said, you know, porn when you see it?

00:16:18.000 Whatever that is.

00:16:19.000 Oh, I can't remember who said it.

00:16:20.000 Someone.

00:16:20.000 But this is the thing.

00:16:23.000 And Cliff, I'm about to flash one of your favorites here.

00:16:27.000 You know whiteness when you see it.

00:16:29.000 Throw up 592.

00:16:31.000 Ron Paul.

00:16:33.000 Throw up image.

00:16:34.000 There it is.

00:16:35.000 Whiteness.

00:16:36.000 That is white culture. 0.75

00:16:37.000 Gavin News.

00:16:38.000 That is a family.

00:16:39.000 That is Dawson's Creek.

00:16:41.000 See, I knew Cliff was going to have my back.

00:16:43.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:16:43.000 A little shout out to James Vanderbeek, who we lost.

00:16:46.000 Good man.

00:16:46.000 A good family, man.

00:16:48.000 Six babies, by the way.

00:16:49.000 He had six kids.

00:16:50.000 God bless him.

00:16:50.000 Great, great white guy.

00:16:52.000 This is 10 out of 10 white guy.

00:16:57.000 It would have been so funny for us to rate people.

00:17:00.000 Dawson's Creek is our culture.

00:17:02.000 Cliff, do you agree that you know it when you see it?

00:17:05.000 Am I wrong?

00:17:06.000 No, you're right.

00:17:07.000 And I think you guys use me as a guinea pig to start here.

00:17:09.000 And when I say, like, what I think of white culture, no, you're right. 0.99

00:17:14.000 I mean, it's, it's, it's, I do think humans avoid assimilation, right?

00:17:19.000 I mean, we, we, we want to be with people we look like, that we get along with, that we connect with.

00:17:24.000 I mean, this is the big argument a lot of the migration in the U.S. is like, or around the world, you know, you look at Europe, like the refusal to want to assimilate.

00:17:32.000 So, yes, I think you know white culture when you see it, or whiteness, or whatever you're saying. 0.74

00:17:37.000 Um, but yes, Dawson's Creek, great reference.

00:17:41.000 By the way, if people are confused about the B-roll right now, we're literally just flashing through B-rolls of white culture.

00:17:48.000 Wait, it sucks.

00:17:49.000 No, Cliff has in the background.

00:17:51.000 He's got lots of white culture behind him right now.

00:17:53.000 He's got a Ron Paul sign.

00:17:54.000 Super white. 0.73

00:17:57.000 Did Ron Paul not appeal to the minorities?

00:18:00.000 I would say this.

00:18:02.000 I would say his policies could be appealing.

00:18:05.000 But if you looked in the Ron Paul Revolution between 2008 and 2012, it was a very white crowd.

00:18:14.000 You know, it was interesting.

00:18:16.000 I got mad because Ron, like always, was ahead of his time.

00:18:20.000 But in like 2018, he said at some event that like multiculturalism is bad.

00:18:25.000 And like all of these radical left libertarians were like losing it, you know, and like, I mean, he was once again ahead of his time.

00:18:33.000 But like, he's right.

00:18:35.000 Nobody was talking about that back then, right?

00:18:36.000 That the migration and just, you know, everyone thought, oh, well, you know, multiculturalism, hanging out with each other.

00:18:42.000 Of course, that's a good thing.

00:18:43.000 It was like the height of woke.

00:18:45.000 And he was like the one guy saying that.

00:18:47.000 So let me just be very clear.

00:18:48.000 On that note.

00:18:50.000 Wait, who's on the painting behind you?

00:18:53.000 Where am I?

00:18:53.000 Up here?

00:18:53.000 Yeah.

00:18:54.000 Hold on.

00:18:55.000 Yeah, right there.

00:18:56.000 All right.

00:18:56.000 This is a gag gift.

00:18:58.000 Let me figure out how to do it.

00:18:59.000 Are gag gifts white culture?

00:19:01.000 Hold on.

00:19:01.000 Of course.

00:19:02.000 Only white people give each other gag gift. 0.98

00:19:04.000 Is that Martin Van Buren?

00:19:06.000 Yes, it's Martin Van Buren.

00:19:08.000 I know that portrait.

00:19:09.000 White culture. 0.94

00:19:10.000 White culture. 0.94

00:19:11.000 I couldn't even see the face.

00:19:12.000 I could just see the pose.

00:19:13.000 I knew it was the pose of the face painted on Martin Van Buren's.

00:19:18.000 Yes.

00:19:19.000 Yes.

00:19:21.000 That was a great gag gift.

00:19:22.000 Nothing's wider than gag gifts.

00:19:24.000 All right, but here's what we're saying.

00:19:24.000 That's first.

00:19:26.000 Listen, I think race does sometimes matter.

00:19:30.000 i mean just ask the nba but we what we're talking about is african-american over here you've been holding they've been waiting on that um um Didn't you say that Jesse Jackson was the guy who popularized African Americans?

00:19:30.000 It does.

00:19:44.000 Yeah, African-American, that Jesse Jackson popularized that.

00:19:48.000 Which is news to me.

00:19:49.000 So here's the deal.

00:19:51.000 So, for example, I went to high school with a bunch of kids that were not white, but they kind of grew up in the dominant American culture.

00:20:00.000 I didn't feel any separation from them.

00:20:02.000 And this is the thing.

00:20:03.000 So, when you talk about multiculturalism, multiculturalism is where you celebrate all the groups staying distinct and they move here, and then you got the Indian neighborhood, and you're just going to celebrate the Indians and say, oh, the food or whatever.

00:20:16.000 They've been sitting on a bunch of these, I can tell.

00:20:19.000 This is fun.

00:20:20.000 Okay.

00:20:21.000 But I mean, genuinely, to Ron Paul's point, probably, I didn't see what he said, but multiculturalism actually does make us weaker because we don't have a dominant central through line of our culture, shared values, shared morals, and shared heroes, shared myths, shared legends.

00:20:38.000 And that's really, really, I think, what people don't like living around because they don't, they don't go to like if my kids go to school with those, those kids are those people's kids, they're not going to like celebrate Easter together.

00:20:48.000 They're not going to, the, the holidays are going to be different.

00:20:51.000 The, the language is going to be different.

00:20:53.000 Everything's going to be different.

00:20:54.000 And that's not what you want.

00:20:56.000 You want your kids going to school with a bunch of people that share the culture and share the holidays and share the interactions and that share culture more broadly.

00:21:04.000 And I think there's actually a genuine weird fear that to acknowledge that there just might be some things certain groups just naturally, for whatever reason, like more than other people.

00:21:16.000 Like there's going to be these going to black pilots again. 1.00

00:21:19.000 No, no, there's going to be this like folk.

00:21:21.000 There's going to be some folk concert.

00:21:23.000 It's going to be a bunch of white people with guitars and they're going to be singing their folk songs and it's going to be really annoying. 0.99

00:21:29.000 And I would hate it.

00:21:31.000 I actually hate that music.

00:21:31.000 I would hate it.

00:21:34.000 But I acknowledge it's a ton of white people who like that sort of thing.

00:21:37.000 They love their Bob Dylan and whatever.

00:21:40.000 And I know that these organizations are just endlessly having meltdowns because they're all white libs and they freak out because not enough people who aren't white libs like it. 0.58

00:21:49.000 And nevertheless, that's white culture because it's something a bunch of white people like and want to do and will do if not blocked from doing it by things like having a gigantic politics related meltdown.

00:22:01.000 Hey, I look white culture is so incredible that you have people that aren't white, Mexicans like Andrew.

00:22:07.000 Trying to pretend they are white. 0.84

00:22:10.000 No, I would actually say this.

00:22:13.000 So this is how America works.

00:22:15.000 Explain to us how America works.

00:22:15.000 White people.

00:22:17.000 America works very simple.

00:22:19.000 Black culture, white people try to copy all the time. 0.94

00:22:24.000 Yeah.

00:22:24.000 So they adopt a lot of damage in the areas.

00:22:27.000 You can say his name.

00:22:28.000 Just say his name.

00:22:29.000 Eminem.

00:22:30.000 Okay, good.

00:22:31.000 Clothing, all that stuff, like words that we say.

00:22:34.000 It's actually like white people trying to steal black culture.

00:22:37.000 White trash culture, Mexicans steal all the time. 1.00

00:22:42.000 All the time.

00:22:43.000 Just because they wear this.

00:22:45.000 I'm actually true.

00:22:46.000 I actually genuinely.

00:22:47.000 And one of my favorite things about Mexican immigrants.

00:22:50.000 They love pro wrestling.

00:22:51.000 They love monster trucks.

00:22:54.000 They love pizza parties at Pizza Hut.

00:22:56.000 Like, they love all of that stuff.

00:22:57.000 I love that.

00:22:58.000 I love that about parks.

00:22:59.000 They're going to go to park parties and parks.

00:23:00.000 Oh, my God.

00:23:01.000 They love stuff that is like fall and autumn.

00:23:03.000 I'm sorry about Saturday.

00:23:04.000 Saturday.

00:23:06.000 Saturday in California.

00:23:07.000 It's like you just don't try to try the parks.

00:23:09.000 Every park.

00:23:10.000 Don't even try to do it.

00:23:11.000 Fishing off like a dock.

00:23:12.000 Sunday on the bottom.

00:23:13.000 No, but I'm not sure.

00:23:13.000 Yeah, that's so true.

00:23:14.000 Oh, yeah.

00:23:15.000 On rivers, like just posting up along rivers and creeks and things like that.

00:23:19.000 What are some examples of white people stealing black culture?

00:23:22.000 I'll jump in.

00:23:25.000 This was me in high school.

00:23:26.000 You guys should see photos of me in 10th grade.

00:23:28.000 Oh, very, very, how do I put this without offending my white Philadelphia?

00:23:34.000 High school outside of Philadelphia.

00:23:36.000 Let's put it that way.

00:23:37.000 And I had to assimilate and I had to try.

00:23:40.000 I had the huge stud earring, just my left ear pierce.

00:23:45.000 I would wear the foo boot pants.

00:23:47.000 Yeah.

00:23:47.000 Here's some big baggy pants.

00:23:50.000 But the number one thing that I changed is I wanted to play cards and gamble at lunch.

00:23:56.000 And only the black folks were like out there actually doing this. 0.98

00:24:00.000 And so I had to assimilate and join the culture and play tunk to try to gamble some lunch money.

00:24:06.000 So that was a lot of fun.

00:24:08.000 I can just imagine.

00:24:09.000 I can just imagine Blake with his or Blake.

00:24:11.000 Cliff with his foo boo pants and his stud earring, like smoking a black and mild out there gambling at recess.

00:24:17.000 High school, high schoolers are peak are peak white kids trying to adopt black culture. 0.91

00:24:24.000 It's yeah, because of rap, it's rap, listening to rap music.

00:24:28.000 But listen to me.

00:24:29.000 I also think that white kids have been told that their culture sucks.

00:24:32.000 And so they're looking for beyond that.

00:24:34.000 It's cool.

00:24:35.000 It's like there's a level of cool and swagger that black culture produces in America that's promoted by the media that is cool.

00:24:45.000 This is why my theory behind Gen Z, Gen Z is adopting cowboy costumes, almost like they're a lot of them wear boots and they like to go to country concerts and rodeos. 0.88

00:24:57.000 I think it's because they're looking for something that's defined.

00:25:00.000 That's something that they could be like, oh, I can do that.

00:25:02.000 I can wear those clothes and I can feel black.

00:25:05.000 Black culture has created a whole thing around, especially around products and things like that. 0.98

00:25:05.000 Like I belong to you. 0.98

00:25:10.000 Cars, specific cars, brands of cars, rims.

00:25:13.000 And our era, our era, remember, it went ribs.

00:25:17.000 Big subculture.

00:25:21.000 That came from black culture. 0.74

00:25:23.000 This entire era of American culture was a blight on my life and on America.

00:25:29.000 So come on.

00:25:30.000 Dr. Dre, chronic.

00:25:32.000 Come on.

00:25:32.000 Yeah, I have Cliff Scott.

00:25:34.000 I can think of all the songs I love off that album.

00:25:37.000 I definitely was at high school.

00:25:39.000 I don't know if it was like bumping.

00:25:41.000 Speaking of people in high school, a final thought.

00:25:45.000 A final thought on this.

00:25:47.000 And then we should.

00:25:48.000 A final thought on this, and then we'll pivot to the next thing.

00:25:50.000 If you want to get a good sense of what white culture is, go look at what Japanese people do when they're ripping off stuff from America because they're great at imitating American subcultures. 1.00

00:26:01.000 There are Japanese people who really love the greaser subculture from the 50s, wear leather jackets, and have motorcycle culture. 0.99

00:26:12.000 I guess that's an element of black culture there.

00:26:12.000 They also love jazz.

00:26:15.000 But they really are good at skateboarding.

00:26:20.000 So skateboarding, like Tony Hot, 80s California culture.

00:26:23.000 They pick up a lot of that stuff.

00:26:25.000 It's more of like a 90s, right?

00:26:26.000 80s, 90s.

00:26:27.000 No, I definitely listened to rap in high school.

00:26:30.000 You had like Dr. Dre.

00:26:32.000 Yeah.

00:26:33.000 No, mine was like Young Thug, Travis Scott, The Baby.

00:26:38.000 We got a dumbest baby. 0.99

00:26:41.000 All right.

00:26:42.000 The fact that we are laughing at it means we're part of white culture. 0.62

00:26:45.000 Oh, man.

00:26:45.000 We got a great baby from Zuzu's Petals.

00:26:49.000 We'll close it out with this.

00:26:50.000 $5.

00:26:51.000 1980s John Hughes movies were the best of things ever and appealed to white teenage audiences.

00:26:58.000 Now people would say these amazing movies aren't diverse enough.

00:27:01.000 That actually is a very good point.

00:27:03.000 those films are very suburban white culture of the 80s and they would definitely Home Alone didn't have a single black person in it Yes, it did.

00:27:12.000 Wait, what are the other John Dudles movies?

00:27:12.000 No, it did not.

00:27:14.000 John Hughes, he had 16 Candles, 16 Candles, Planes Trains, and Automobiles, Pretty in Pink.

00:27:20.000 People always say I look like Breakfast Club, Weird Science.

00:27:24.000 Yeah, was there a pinata and Breakfast Club?

00:27:26.000 I haven't seen the Breakfast Club.

00:27:27.000 I don't think so.

00:27:28.000 People always say I look like the kid from 16 Candles.

00:27:30.000 Uncle Buck.

00:27:31.000 Uncle Buck is amazing.

00:27:33.000 Okay, I can see you younger.

00:27:34.000 Fair enough.

00:27:36.000 Yeah, I used to see Ferris Pillar.

00:27:37.000 All of these things, all of those things are great.

00:27:40.000 My son looks a lot like him.

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00:28:58.000 This is a good transition point because John Hughes, sadly, he died.

00:29:01.000 He retired pretty young and then died quite young.

00:29:04.000 He was like out of Hollywood by the time he was 50.

00:29:07.000 But we could make more John Hughes movies today because the AI that we've been covering ever since this show is created has advanced remarkably quickly.

00:29:16.000 And we're now at the point where there are just absolutely terrifying AI recreations of every actor, every film you could ever imagine.

00:29:25.000 See Dance.

00:29:26.000 Sea Dance is the latest Chinese AI model that is being used for making these videos.

00:29:30.000 And we'll watch some clips here and you'll think, okay, that's not 100% the same as a movie.

00:29:35.000 But remember, everything you see with AI, it is like today's AI is the worst it will ever be versus the future.

00:29:44.000 That's kind of sad.

00:29:45.000 Get better.

00:29:45.000 Let's play some.

00:29:46.000 So let's go.

00:29:47.000 We have a fight between Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt.

00:29:51.000 $5.84.

00:30:08.000 So tell me, do you guys think that looked real?

00:30:10.000 Looks pretty good.

00:30:11.000 It looks like them.

00:30:14.000 It definitely did.

00:30:15.000 I was paying actors.

00:30:17.000 I could nitpick the fighting about it, but the actual, like, the face is 100%.

00:30:21.000 Do you think Sidney's gonna be 587?

00:30:23.000 Alrighty, let's do that one.

00:30:24.000 Smith fights a spaghetti monster.

00:30:26.000 I would watch this movie.

00:30:39.000 Tyler.

00:30:41.000 I would watch this movie.

00:30:43.000 I think I would find this movie entertaining.

00:30:45.000 I think my children would find that movie entertainment.

00:30:47.000 My worry is that there's going to be no creative art anymore.

00:30:50.000 Like actors will just sign a contract.

00:30:52.000 Wait, what about NIL for $10 million?

00:30:55.000 I don't think you need actors anymore.

00:30:56.000 You just create new NIL.

00:30:57.000 Well, and the part of, well, part of what's amazing, though, is this gets into another cultural factor, which is we don't really generate new movie stars anymore.

00:31:05.000 Like, who is a super famous movie star on par like on par with Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt when Timothy Chalame was?

00:31:13.000 Timothy Chalame.

00:31:13.000 Yeah, that's the only one.

00:31:15.000 And besides him, Sidney Sweeney.

00:31:17.000 Sidney Sweeney.

00:31:18.000 Oh, yeah.

00:31:18.000 Okay.

00:31:19.000 What's a Sydney Sweetie movie you've watched?

00:31:20.000 Dude, who are the new...

00:31:21.000 Okay, Glenn Powell is another one.

00:31:24.000 There's so much.

00:31:25.000 No, no, there's no Army Hammer.

00:31:27.000 He's in like one thing.

00:31:28.000 No, I mean, on terms of being, think, I actually don't know who that is.

00:31:32.000 My Teller.

00:31:33.000 Miles Teller, also he's used to.

00:31:35.000 I don't know who that is.

00:31:36.000 Maybe you're just watching Old Times.

00:31:37.000 I don't watch that many movies overall, but I mean, they might be famous.

00:31:40.000 They might be well paid, but on par with how big Brad Pitt was when he was 35, on par with how big Tom Cruise was when he was DiCaprio.

00:31:48.000 Like Leonardo DiCaprio, those guys are huge names and they've been huge name.

00:31:53.000 They were huge names in their 20s.

00:31:55.000 Every film that was released by them was like a big event.

00:31:59.000 Every Tom Cruise film is massive.

00:32:01.000 I don't think there's anyone out there where every film they make is a presumed tentpole big deal event.

00:32:07.000 Even Timothy Chalamet.

00:32:08.000 Sidney Sweeney.

00:32:10.000 Sidney Sweeney's movie's bomb.

00:32:11.000 She was in a movie that no one watched.

00:32:13.000 Partly movies are bombing.

00:32:15.000 Movies are dying.

00:32:16.000 That is part of it.

00:32:17.000 But I think this is all set up.

00:32:20.000 This is all set up to say.

00:32:22.000 He's doing research for ballot chasers.

00:32:25.000 This is all set up.

00:32:26.000 Hey, if we had an army of Sidney Sweeneys, we would never lose out. 0.82

00:32:29.000 This is all set up to say we don't have that many famous actors, but people are endlessly attached to the same old ones.

00:32:35.000 Tom Cruise is still making action movies.

00:32:37.000 And he's in his 60s.

00:32:37.000 He's in his 60s.

00:32:38.000 No, okay, that's not actors' fault.

00:32:40.000 That's not actors' fault.

00:32:41.000 It's not subscription models.

00:32:43.000 That's TV shows.

00:32:43.000 Yeah, basically.

00:32:45.000 It doesn't matter whose fault it is.

00:32:47.000 point is option in specific archetypes around actors and that's in the heavy decline and the point is tom cruise in in 2020 didn't help Tom Cruise.

00:32:59.000 I want to finish this thought.

00:33:00.000 Tom Cruise would, in the past, Tom Cruise, by the time he's 65, he would fade out of being this big action star.

00:33:08.000 But he keeps being one because he is the big brand name.

00:33:11.000 We basically can't make new action stars on par with Tom Cruise or Arnold or any of the ones we had in the 80s.

00:33:17.000 And that creates the opening where you just sell away Tom Cruise's AI rights and you just get Tom Cruise forever.

00:33:24.000 In fact, we could de-age him.

00:33:25.000 So we have 40-year-old Tom Cruise.

00:33:26.000 Well, this is the same with fast food restaurants and chains, I would make the argument.

00:33:31.000 There's only so many that can make it into the marketplace, like new ideas.

00:33:35.000 And people become so accustomed to that.

00:33:38.000 It's like, McDonald's has grown huge, Subway.

00:33:42.000 Like, Subway's not the best sandwich, but Subway's still the largest chain in America, or second largest or third largest chain in America, I think, first in food, because people just become so accustomed to something that they can't get off it.

00:33:54.000 So how does that shrinks over time, maybe?

00:33:58.000 But like, again, that goes back, I think actors is like, there's a branded actor.

00:34:02.000 To Blake's point, you didn't see this in the past because the whole mechanism of delivering the new food, if you will, the new actor was so powerful that it would overcome the barriers to entry and we would get new entrants into the space.

00:34:14.000 We don't really do that anymore because I think our attention is so diverted and so siloed.

00:34:19.000 Everybody's balkanized, to use Jeremy Carl's word.

00:34:22.000 Wait, can we claim?

00:34:24.000 Wait, can we watch 591?

00:34:25.000 Yeah, do it.

00:34:25.000 Sure.

00:34:35.000 Say my name.

00:34:37.000 Heisberg you're holding is mine So for those watching that later, that was Captain America and Scarlett Johansson from the Smarlack Women. 0.98

00:35:07.000 I can't remember her superhero title.

00:35:09.000 And it was Heisenberg from Breaking Bad, the Ted Rock show.

00:35:13.000 They did not cross over in real life.

00:35:15.000 Brian Cranston.

00:35:16.000 But now they have crossed over in the world of AI movies.

00:35:20.000 And then Scarlett Johansson beat him up.

00:35:22.000 You remember that was a really big thing?

00:35:23.000 Did you ever watch Breaking Bad?

00:35:24.000 No, Charlie used to give me such a dude.

00:35:26.000 It's like the greatest thing.

00:35:27.000 It's watched.

00:35:28.000 Best television show in his life.

00:35:30.000 How did you make it through all of COVID?

00:35:30.000 I can make it even more.

00:35:32.000 You didn't watch Breaking Bad?

00:35:33.000 I can make it even worse.

00:35:34.000 I watched two episodes of Breaking Bad and didn't find it that interesting, and I stopped.

00:35:38.000 Ooh.

00:35:40.000 Listen, I did lock down a day.

00:35:42.000 I judge every single opinion you ever have from here on out, Blake, by the fact that you couldn't get through two episodes of Breaking.

00:35:49.000 I got through two and then I didn't really want to watch it.

00:35:51.000 Should we watch it together?

00:35:52.000 If you want, I guess.

00:35:53.000 Let's go.

00:35:54.000 Cliff, get in here, man.

00:35:55.000 Yeah, it is the best GIF or GIF, whatever you don't have to have that argument ever for door knocking, which is the Walter White, I am the one who knocks.

00:35:55.000 What are you thinking?

00:36:05.000 You got it.

00:36:08.000 That is my point.

00:36:09.000 No, there was somebody that did a took all of the seasons and did a super cut and put them into like three hours and made it like a cinematic movie and it was out on the internet.

00:36:22.000 I think you can still find it like on Investigation.

00:36:24.000 So you could just get straight into your veins, distill version.

00:36:27.000 No, but they said, like, I didn't get a chance to watch it, but it's in like the dark web or like Pirates Bay or whatever you could do like that download it.

00:36:35.000 But it's three hours and it's supposed to be incredible, like a full-length movie, but it's all like, and they've only taken the most important parts, but they edited it perfectly.

00:36:46.000 I'll believe that when I see it.

00:36:47.000 By the way, we're supposed to be like, people watch it and people were like raving about it.

00:36:52.000 It was like big deals on the internet.

00:36:53.000 By the way, since we had that Breaking Bad clip, this is where we're headed.

00:36:56.000 Sony actually just sent Byte Dance, who are the guys.

00:37:00.000 I believe, is Byte Dance the company that was also behind TikTok?

00:37:04.000 Well, they also are behind the Sea Dance model.

00:37:06.000 And they got a letter from Sony that says, you have to take all of our Breaking Bad and Spider-Man stuff out of your AI training data.

00:37:13.000 I'm sure China will get right on that one. 0.99

00:37:16.000 But I think that's the future.

00:37:17.000 It's kind of interesting that the great blocker on AI development might not be computer chips.

00:37:23.000 It might not be science.

00:37:24.000 It might be that all of the big legacy media outputlets are going to come in and get the courts to say you can't just take everyone's stuff and use it to make AI.

00:37:34.000 It's garbage in, garbage out.

00:37:36.000 But right now, they're stealing the best stuff that human beings have ever created and using that to generate their AI models.

00:37:43.000 So if you block successfully what they're able to ingest, it would beg to, you know, it could be a way to block some of them.

00:37:52.000 And that could be what's actually interesting is I can see a positive outcome here where that is actually what causes more original stuff to be made using AI.

00:38:01.000 Because let's say they win and they say, okay, you can't use a bunch of this pre-existing stuff in the training data.

00:38:07.000 As a result, AI becomes really bad at replicating Batman, Superman, Star Wars, what have you, but it's better at more generic stuff.

00:38:17.000 And so they use the generic outputs to, okay, here's star battles, and it's totally different from Star Wars.

00:38:24.000 It's interesting also to me that your Upper Midwest accents takes that word generic.

00:38:30.000 Generic or something?

00:38:30.000 What is it?

00:38:32.000 Generic.

00:38:33.000 Generic.

00:38:34.000 I say it with a long E.

00:38:36.000 This is my white person folk way.

00:38:38.000 This is a different white culture. 0.84

00:38:39.000 I don't recognize this white person.

00:38:40.000 My white culture is pronouncing things the way God intended, the way a South African. 0.99

00:38:44.000 I think this kind of melds really well with the next topic.

00:38:46.000 Social media ban for kids.

00:38:48.000 I think this is fascinating.

00:38:50.000 Well, we can't quite move on to before we do that.

00:38:53.000 We have to have the GOAT and the Exploding Gas Station. 0.89

00:38:55.000 So really quick, play 588, The Exploding Gas Station.

00:38:58.000 I'll take those, please.

00:38:58.000 Sure.

00:39:00.000 You need to pay for those.

00:39:01.000 Oh, I seem to have forgotten my money.

00:39:14.000 You would ban children from accessing social media to view that clip?

00:39:18.000 I just think it's a fascinating debate, and we should have it.

00:39:21.000 Why don't we play 598?

00:39:23.000 This is Ana Paulina Luna, HR 7399, to prohibit users who are under the age of 13 from accessing social media to prohibit the use of personalized recommendation systems on individuals under age 17 and limit the use of social media in schools.

00:39:38.000 So there's three parts to that.

00:39:40.000 If you're under 13, no social media at all.

00:39:43.000 To prohibit the use of personalized recommendation systems on those under 17 and limit the use of social media in schools.

00:39:51.000 Is this good or bad, Cliff Maloney?

00:39:55.000 You're getting that we all get to like pile on when you say something that we disagree with.

00:40:00.000 Yeah, my views on this have vastly shifted in the last five years.

00:40:04.000 You know, I used to be much more libertarian and think the government shouldn't get involved.

00:40:08.000 But honestly, I think a lot of this stems from the idea that if there's one thing the government should do, it should be to protect those under the age of 18.

00:40:15.000 You know, we've seen that with all the transition surgeries and all the woke BS with that ruining people's lives. 0.91

00:40:20.000 Cigarettes.

00:40:21.000 Yeah.

00:40:22.000 Guns.

00:40:23.000 I do think it's the one thing that the government should come in and set some parameters to make sure the kids are not getting mind-warped at 10 years old.

00:40:23.000 I'm on board.

00:40:34.000 Not a Republican government.

00:40:37.000 What's your take?

00:40:38.000 A Republican government should not do that.

00:40:40.000 My take.

00:40:40.000 Some people would be so pissed.

00:40:42.000 My take is that social media.

00:40:45.000 My take is that social media was a mistake.

00:40:48.000 We should ban all social media.

00:40:50.000 And if someone tries to recreate it, they get the death penalty.

00:40:53.000 Okay.

00:40:56.000 You're caught with like an Instagram-like app in your home computer lab.

00:41:01.000 Tyler has kids.

00:41:03.000 Tyler.

00:41:04.000 I do.

00:41:04.000 To ban or not to ban.

00:41:06.000 like you i have children um here's the here we we kept our kids So my oldest kid is 17, which is crazy.

00:41:16.000 He has had a phone since he was 12 or 13, which is kind of a phone.

00:41:24.000 His mom wanted to have a phone because of getting a hold of him.

00:41:28.000 But we had it on lockdown, so he couldn't download any apps.

00:41:31.000 He was not allowed to download social media till he turned 16.

00:41:37.000 So I'm kind of like okay with it because I personally in my own house was like, I don't think my, I didn't want my kids on social media before they turned 13.

00:41:44.000 I don't think like I, if it was up to me, I probably wouldn't have given my kids, I wouldn't give my kids a cell phone until they're 16.

00:41:51.000 But so what's I'm a little old school?

00:41:54.000 Okay, one thing I think we could all agree on, and maybe we can't, I don't know, but I would think banning, so I'm like for full ban of tablets, devices, phones at school.

00:42:05.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:42:06.000 Or restaurants.

00:42:07.000 And they basically found that within about six months, kids start acting like students did like in 2000 or 2005.

00:42:15.000 So they revert back.

00:42:16.000 They actually get their attention spans back.

00:42:18.000 They're cool and they start smoking cigarettes.

00:42:20.000 Yeah, they're gambling out in the quad with Black and Miles and Cliff.

00:42:25.000 They're playing pogs.

00:42:27.000 They got pog.

00:42:28.000 Pogs came back?

00:42:29.000 Wow.

00:42:29.000 They talk about banning.

00:42:30.000 Yo-yos.

00:42:31.000 When we talk about banning phones in schools, it's always the focus is on the kids, but we actually need to make the parents more normal too.

00:42:37.000 Because when they've tried to do this in some schools, they get so much pushback from the parents who flip out.

00:42:42.000 I can't immediately contact my child at all times.

00:42:46.000 No, you can have a phone like in a backpack or something.

00:42:50.000 But like, honestly, I don't even think it's your locker.

00:42:53.000 Keep it in your locker.

00:42:53.000 Yeah, you can't do it.

00:42:54.000 I think it would be an old-fashioned way.

00:42:56.000 If your parents need to reach you, call the school.

00:42:59.000 Well, yeah, but they're going to push back because of school shooting.

00:43:02.000 Beepers.

00:43:02.000 Whatever.

00:43:03.000 You know.

00:43:04.000 Teachers.

00:43:05.000 Whatever.

00:43:05.000 Well, honestly, what they should do is you can have a phone, but it has to be a flip phone.

00:43:10.000 It has to be a dumb phone, not a smartphone.

00:43:12.000 No, just keep it in your locker.

00:43:13.000 You can access it at lunch.

00:43:14.000 No, but if there's no school shooting, you in theory couldn't get it.

00:43:17.000 If there's a school shooting, them having the phone isn't going to save their life.

00:43:20.000 Can I blow your mind right now?

00:43:22.000 Like you said.

00:43:22.000 We're not that far away from.

00:43:24.000 So I just had this thought that came to me, and I don't really understand it.

00:43:29.000 When my phone's on airplane mode, why can't I set a setting so that it automatically texts people who call me like and tells them that I'm on a plane if it's I'm on airplane mode?

00:43:38.000 Anyways, this brings me to this point is we're not that far away from when kids are at school, there being an automatic setting that locks down their phone essentially by being there where you can still make calls like a foot phone.

00:43:53.000 You can't do any of the data.

00:43:55.000 Like you could probably, a state could probably pass a law, but it's like the technology is not that far off.

00:43:59.000 No, it's probably there already.

00:44:00.000 You can just do it.

00:44:01.000 You're there.

00:44:03.000 You can't do data.

00:44:04.000 You have airplane?

00:44:04.000 You got airplane mode?

00:44:05.000 You have school mode.

00:44:06.000 Yeah, so there should be a little toggle.

00:44:09.000 Yeah, but that's, you can't do an opt-in.

00:44:11.000 It has to be like once you're in there.

00:44:12.000 You can force, but they could force it with the GPS.

00:44:14.000 Tyler's right.

00:44:15.000 You can do this.

00:44:15.000 So there's a company called Brick.

00:44:17.000 Okay.

00:44:18.000 And so it like sticks onto your fridge.

00:44:21.000 And so a lot of Gen Z people are addicted to social media.

00:44:24.000 So they buy this company called Brick.

00:44:26.000 And what you do is when you get home for the day, all you do is you take your phone and you touch it to the brick.

00:44:32.000 It's like a little box.

00:44:33.000 And it automatically shuts off and locks all social media on your phone for six hours or five hours or two hours.

00:44:39.000 You can preset it.

00:44:41.000 So there can be companies that once you enter school, you brick your phone at the door.

00:44:46.000 So no social media is allowed.

00:44:48.000 No texting is allowed.

00:44:49.000 Only a phone call to your parent.

00:44:51.000 Like only phone calls are.

00:44:52.000 Only phone calls.

00:44:53.000 That sounds awesome.

00:44:54.000 Yeah.

00:44:54.000 So you can do that.

00:44:55.000 That is a thing.

00:44:56.000 Tyler's right.

00:44:56.000 So there's to like a sin where they touch the brick and they can't talk for six hours.

00:45:00.000 Here's the central intention.

00:45:01.000 But this is totally plausible right now.

00:45:02.000 Like we should be able to do that.

00:45:03.000 But you know, there's going to be all these civil libertarians like Cliff that are going to be already gaming out how this gets abused by the sensors or whatever.

00:45:14.000 I think schools.

00:45:14.000 So here's my baseline.

00:45:16.000 Schools, kids got to be learning from books, old school books.

00:45:20.000 And here's the tension a lot of schools have run into is they'll institute a phone ban or a device ban in the school, but then they'll give them homework that requires a device in order to complete it.

00:45:33.000 And so this is central tension is we tell all these schools, hey, no phones, none of this.

00:45:40.000 But we also want you to be at the cutting edge of AI.

00:45:42.000 We want you to be the cutting edge of programming and all these, you know, so how do you bridge that divide?

00:45:48.000 How do you square that circle?

00:45:51.000 Because our kids are getting good at these things that'll be the tools of the future when they're young.

00:45:57.000 But if you block them from developing those skills, then we're not going to be leading those fields.

00:46:02.000 Yeah.

00:46:03.000 No, I agree.

00:46:04.000 I don't know.

00:46:04.000 All I can think is I don't know that there's any top AI person or really any top computer person in general who got there because of their public school computer programming class that they took to fill their elective in high school.

00:46:18.000 I don't know.

00:46:19.000 It's also emergent.

00:46:20.000 It's tough to know exactly where the next iterations are going.

00:46:24.000 I mean, the AI world right now is essentially progressed by about 200 engineers across the world.

00:46:29.000 There's like 200 people that are just in India.

00:46:32.000 Like literally 200 people that are advancing the field dramatically.

00:46:38.000 So it drives the best computer engineers.

00:46:41.000 That makes it good.

00:46:42.000 It makes me feel like I'm back in Dallas again.

00:46:46.000 Got to see you.

00:46:48.000 Whole neighborhoods of Dallas, by the way.

00:46:50.000 So Zuzu's Pedals has another Rumble rant.

00:46:52.000 She says, we have so many videos of bullies beating up a kid in school, and it's the camera phone that happened to catch it so they could post it.

00:47:00.000 And no social media in school.

00:47:04.000 Oh, wait, the camera phone was on waiting for it to happen to post it.

00:47:08.000 So I think she's saying we shouldn't have social media in school because people are literally beating other kids up and posted on social media.

00:47:14.000 I can see another black girl that just absolutely beat up that young white girl. 1.00

00:47:19.000 On the other hand, it exposes those.

00:47:21.000 It does expose things.

00:47:22.000 I think a lot of crazy left-wing teachers get caught because of recordings in school. 0.89

00:47:26.000 Well, that's why we should just have cameras in classrooms. 0.85

00:47:29.000 Well, how about you keep the camera on and you keep the phones on and everything else is off?

00:47:34.000 What if all classrooms were just a permanent panopticon?

00:47:37.000 You could just log into any class in America and watch it.

00:47:43.000 Every single teacher is 100% of the time just visible to everyone.

00:47:46.000 We would smoke out a lot of wokeys that way. 1.00

00:47:48.000 We would smoke out a lot of things generally.

00:47:51.000 Woke teachers couldn't do anything.

00:47:52.000 The most conservative teachers would have like woke parents down their neck. 0.99

00:47:57.000 Like, yo, why are you saying this about the Constitution?

00:48:02.000 It would be mayhem, actually.

00:48:04.000 But, but we probably, I mean, this is what happened during COVID, is that we saw a lot of what our students were learning across the country.

00:48:10.000 People were outraged.

00:48:12.000 I think it would certainly demystify a lot of what modern education is like.

00:48:16.000 It's very clear a lot of people are attached to like one good teacher they had 30 years ago, and that informs their entire understanding of how modern education is.

00:48:25.000 They totally black out all the bad ones.

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00:51:03.000 I think this is really interesting because it kind of plays into another topic here.

00:51:09.000 We're talking, of course, about civil liberties.

00:51:12.000 We're talking about the concern that we might be censoring people if we put social media bans on people.

00:51:17.000 By the way, this whole thing is happening at a court house, a superior court in Los Angeles, where Meta and Google are getting sued because a young woman named KGM, his acronym in the courthouse, is suing that they've made it too addictive and that she has depression, anxiety.

00:51:34.000 By the way, all of which is true.

00:51:35.000 Young women, especially that go on social media, have massive spikes in anxiety and all this stuff.

00:51:39.000 So there is a downside.

00:51:41.000 This is very real.

00:51:43.000 But it rubs up against their delusional.

00:51:47.000 Who is?

00:51:49.000 Women on the internet. 1.00

00:51:51.000 They are.

00:51:52.000 That's all they are doing.

00:51:53.000 They're definitely not doing great.

00:51:55.000 They are not doing great.

00:51:56.000 Jim Bros and a lot of women are not in a great place. 0.99

00:51:56.000 No. 0.99

00:52:01.000 That's true.

00:52:02.000 So, but then we have Thomas Massey, who is a libertarian-minded Kentucky congressman who is now at odds with President Trump, basically the whole Trump administration.

00:52:13.000 I mean, they love to tee off on this.

00:52:15.000 Well, is that what's going on?

00:52:17.000 Because, so we did get, I wanted to get this.

00:52:19.000 So JM Denton donated $50.

00:52:21.000 Thank you very much, JM.

00:52:23.000 And he said this: Thomas Massey is a grandstander.

00:52:27.000 His principles are only present when convenient.

00:52:31.000 See his votes against funding the wall.

00:52:34.000 And what those show.

00:52:35.000 Meanwhile, his principles didn't stop Biden's continuing resolution.

00:52:39.000 So that's what JM says.

00:52:40.000 I will say to that point, Thomas Massey did not seem to care about the Epstein files when President Biden was in office.

00:52:49.000 Yeah, what do you have to say, Cliff?

00:52:53.000 Sounds like your number one best friend is being criticized.

00:52:57.000 Cliff's going to be like that.

00:52:59.000 GC this week, the episode.

00:53:00.000 He's like, on what's going on?

00:53:02.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:53:04.000 I can't answer the question.

00:53:06.000 You're my cut out.

00:53:09.000 It's breaking up yours. 0.88

00:53:11.000 I'll say, I love Thomas Massey.

00:53:13.000 He loves Thomas Massey.

00:53:15.000 There it is.

00:53:16.000 I do love Thomas Massey.

00:53:18.000 I think on the Epstein thing, I think a lot of people have cherry-picked some of the, well, he wasn't that vocal during Biden.

00:53:26.000 He was able to get it through.

00:53:27.000 The president signed the bill.

00:53:29.000 I think there's been a lot of drop balls here.

00:53:31.000 I think there's a lot of things that, you know, we could have done differently.

00:53:34.000 Massey could have done some of the things differently. 1.00

00:53:38.000 But I think it's so easy for people.

00:53:40.000 What I get mad at is that the Republican establishment always puts him in a position, or him plus a couple of the Freedom Caucus members, to be the ones that have to make the tough vote because they put up some sort of moderate bill, right?

00:53:54.000 It's never Don Bacon.

00:53:55.000 It's never Don Bacon that has to be the one or two no votes because the bill was too conservative or too Trumpy.

00:54:02.000 And I think that's why I always do stick with Thomas because I think a lot of the things he's doing, people can argue, well, he's too principled and we only have a one or two seat majority.

00:54:12.000 Okay, you could make that argument.

00:54:14.000 But like, why aren't we testing the moderates instead of having to test the people that I would argue are much more America first?

00:54:22.000 That bothers me.

00:54:24.000 That's a fair point.

00:54:26.000 I hear that.

00:54:28.000 I'm trying to think of actual examples.

00:54:30.000 Tyler might know this better than I would because you run the scorecard over a turning point action.

00:54:34.000 Oh, I can give you, I can give you Tommy Massey's current score.

00:54:40.000 Are you interested?

00:54:41.000 Yeah.

00:54:42.000 While you're pulling that up, do you buy into this whole theory that he's changed since he got remarried, Cliff?

00:54:48.000 I was at his wedding, so I think I'm positioned to answer this.

00:54:52.000 No.

00:54:53.000 And I don't appreciate certain people taking shots at his new wife.

00:54:57.000 She's wonderful.

00:54:58.000 And I think a lot of people have kind of cherry-picked.

00:55:01.000 I'll say this, and he might not like that I say this, but at the ceremony, they talked about his ex or his wife next away, Rhonda.

00:55:08.000 And I thought it was beautiful because a lot of people try to jump on the fact that he got remarried too quickly.

00:55:15.000 He was one of the best husbands to Rhonda, the best days of the people.

00:55:18.000 I totally believe that completely.

00:55:20.000 That I've ever met.

00:55:21.000 And he did everything right.

00:55:22.000 Started dating Carolyn a couple, you know, after she passed away.

00:55:27.000 So that bothers me a lot that people have kind of gone low on that issue.

00:55:31.000 And what's Carolyn supposed to do? 1.00

00:55:33.000 You know, when these things are blown up, like, she has no way to respond.

00:55:37.000 And so, no, I don't think he's changed at all.

00:55:38.000 He's one of the best people I know.

00:55:40.000 And, you know, he's been principled in Congress for years, but now it matters because we have such a slim majority.

00:55:46.000 I will say, this is something I had forgotten about, but I remember being very upset about it at the time.

00:55:52.000 And it's really irking me again to be reminded of it.

00:55:56.000 Right after Charlie's death, they asked Massey about it.

00:55:59.000 And he said everyone needed to turn down their rhetoric, but especially the president, where he complained, he said, there is a lot of rhetoric, and the president himself engages in it.

00:56:09.000 He called it a hostile act to co-sponsor the Epstein resolution.

00:56:15.000 And maybe I'm being nitpicky because it's something so personally close to me, but I don't really like that Massey took a left-winger murdering Charlie and said, yeah, but like, let's remember that the president got mad at me for co-sponsoring an Epstein resolution.

00:56:32.000 I didn't like that.

00:56:35.000 Yeah, it seems like, so Cliff, I actually totally ascribe to a couple things.

00:56:40.000 I think Thomas Massey is a remarkable man.

00:56:43.000 I think he is unique.

00:56:45.000 The stuff he does at his home, living off the grid.

00:56:48.000 That's all cool.

00:56:49.000 That's all very cool.

00:56:50.000 And I think he was a great husband.

00:56:51.000 I think he's a great family man.

00:56:53.000 I think he has a stellar personal sort of like, there's no skeletons in Thomas Massey's closet, if you will.

00:56:59.000 But it does feel like he's become so animated, especially after Trump came after him.

00:57:06.000 And maybe, listen, you know, I know that that probably came with personal cost.

00:57:11.000 I know that that probably has increased his security detail.

00:57:14.000 And I know that those wounds go deep, deep when you feel actually afraid for your own life because somebody of prominence is attacking you.

00:57:23.000 I understand that intimately.

00:57:26.000 But it does feel like he's kind of animated by this feud with President Trump, and it's kind of clouding some of the messaging, some of the judgment, some of what he majors on.

00:57:39.000 And it does kind of feel like, you know, he's against us now.

00:57:45.000 I mean, I would say he, there was that blow up on the internet.

00:57:48.000 I actually was confused about it too.

00:57:50.000 He voted no on the rule, but he eventually voted yes on the Save Act.

00:57:53.000 So I think some of it gets lost in disinformation online.

00:57:57.000 But that's my vibe.

00:58:00.000 Yeah, I would say this.

00:58:02.000 You know, Thomas Massey's actually been a friend of the organization for a long time.

00:58:05.000 He spoke at a lot.

00:58:06.000 He spoke at a ton of turning point events.

00:58:08.000 Came on our show.

00:58:09.000 Similar to Ram Paul.

00:58:10.000 Came on the show.

00:58:11.000 Same type of thing is that there's been this departure over the course of the last year during the next Trump presidency where there's just been some vitriol pointed at the president.

00:58:26.000 And some of it's a little bit concerning to me because, and again, this is a similar type of conversation.

00:58:32.000 And, you know, this isn't pointed at just pointed at Cliff here.

00:58:39.000 But, you know, there's purest like Republican libertarianism where it's like, there's some things that I think Rand Paul and Thomas Massey have done that are exquisite and it's pulled the party more to the right and it's good and it's really, it's really healthy and it's really great.

00:58:59.000 And I like the policies that some elected officials and legislative bodies have where they just vote no on everything because they don't believe that the government should grow and that they shouldn't be passing anything.

00:59:09.000 And that's generally been the MO of Thomas Massey.

00:59:12.000 Well, he's crossed some lines.

00:59:14.000 Well, I know, I'm saying, but over the course of this last year in particular, there's been a little bit of a departure, but there's signs of this that are a little bit challenging because, you know, there was some, there's some jockeying, some brokering that happened in Kentucky that I don't like.

00:59:29.000 And this is specific to these two gentlemen because there's a lot of like wheeling and dealing with the McConnell people.

00:59:35.000 And like they basically had like, again, a truce in that state.

00:59:41.000 And Cliff can speak a little bit more to this.

00:59:43.000 I won't put him on the spot to speak to why, as to why, but like where Mitch McConnell really wouldn't attack Rand Paul, Ram Paul wouldn't attack Mitch McConnell.

00:59:51.000 And, you know, and again, that was not like 100% because Rand Paul would have some words about policies that they, but they wouldn't attack each other.

01:00:02.000 And I don't think that was helpful in Kentucky.

01:00:04.000 Like, I think in Kentucky, you have two of the most pro-liberty guys.

01:00:08.000 And at the same time, you have one of the worst representations of the DC swamp and Mitch McConnell.

01:00:15.000 And now you have a situation, too, where it's like they've kind of stayed out of this race for, and I could be totally wrong about this, but from what I've seen, they've largely stayed out of this race to replace Mitch McConnell.

01:00:26.000 And that doesn't help.

01:00:28.000 And I'm a little bit more of like a pragmatist when it comes to this.

01:00:31.000 It's like, we want the most conservative guy possible getting elected and use your muscle for good.

01:00:37.000 I just think like my all this to say, instead of attacking Donald Trump, which you're not going to change the president by attacking Donald Trump if you're Thomas Massey, but what can you do at home?

01:00:46.000 Well, you could get, you know, a really great guy elected into the U.S. Senate to replace Mitch McConnell.

01:00:52.000 And are you spending all of your political capital to do that?

01:00:56.000 No, he's not spending it.

01:00:57.000 He's doing this instead.

01:00:59.000 Watch this clip.

01:01:00.000 603.

01:01:01.000 That's what bothers me.

01:01:02.000 Donald Trump told us that even though he had dinner with these kinds of people in New York City and West Palm Beach, that he would be transparent, but he's not.

01:01:14.000 He's still in with the Epstein class.

01:01:16.000 This is the Epstein administration, and they're attacking me for trying to get these files released.

01:01:22.000 And again, I'm going to say President Trump has not been accused of anything criminal.

01:01:27.000 I think there is a lot of truth to just, unfortunately, Massey's had friction with President Trump all the way back to his first term.

01:01:34.000 Trump was trying to primary him out even then over he wasn't voting for stuff the president wanted.

01:01:39.000 And I think a very real trend is when someone, when a lot of people, get in friction with President Trump, you can see some people they handle it better than others.

01:01:49.000 Like there are some senators who've had big spats I think even Lindsey Graham's had some spats with Trump and he just he glides with it.

01:01:55.000 He knows what he wants and he's very good at getting back in the president's graces and just deals with it and so on.

01:02:00.000 And others they're very aware.

01:02:02.000 Okay, sometimes Trump fixates on people and that's just how it is.

01:02:05.000 But for some people they get in it with Trump and after that it just gradually curdles everything and it starts to consume everything about them.

01:02:14.000 You know what the difference is?

01:02:15.000 You're totally right.

01:02:16.000 And we go back to white culture I was thinking of, like Albion Seed or whatever right, how actually he's a border. 0.51

01:02:22.000 It's because he's a border no, so here's the thing.

01:02:24.000 Look at, compare Thomas Massey's reaction to Trump attacks to Marco Rubio's.

01:02:31.000 Marco Rubio Latin, little Cuban, so you can do it if you want, although that's a Mexican. 1.00

01:02:38.000 So, but the point is he's let it roll off.

01:02:41.000 They put it.

01:02:42.000 They put the, they buried the hatchet, as it were, and now Marco's like a rocket ship, whereas Thomas Massey he's, he's like you know, Appalachia he's, he's like a he's, he's an honor society guy.

01:02:56.000 You're right that different people handle it differently, but I don't know that I'd associate You Been with burying the hatchet and not caring about that.

01:03:05.000 Well, I think he cared, obviously, for a while, but he's much more sort of like sly.

01:03:10.000 And I think, listen, they buried the hatchet.

01:03:13.000 That's the bottom line.

01:03:14.000 Massey has got that honor culture.

01:03:17.000 And Trump came after his honor.

01:03:19.000 And he's going to, like, you don't just bury that hatchet.

01:03:22.000 Yeah.

01:03:23.000 He's from Kentucky.

01:03:24.000 He's from, I think, is that where the Hatfields and McCoy's were?

01:03:27.000 Well, I think that was West Virginia, wasn't it?

01:03:27.000 Go ahead.

01:03:29.000 Same type of country.

01:03:30.000 Yeah, but it's similar.

01:03:31.000 Yeah.

01:03:31.000 Go ahead, Cliff.

01:03:32.000 Yeah, so two major things to not push back on, but to at least respond with.

01:03:36.000 Number one, I don't think Massey has changed in terms of his voting pattern at all.

01:03:41.000 I think what's changed is that the margins are so narrow that now him being Mr. No ramifications for the Trump administration for passing legislation.

01:03:50.000 It's real, right?

01:03:51.000 Ron Paul voted no for years, but guess what?

01:03:53.000 We had a 20-seat advantage for most of the time that he was in, right?

01:03:56.000 Or they were in the minority and just it didn't matter.

01:03:59.000 So I think that's number one.

01:04:00.000 Number two, I think the line in the sand, you know, the difference here is that when Trump decided to go all in against Massey, what do politicians do when they're fighting for their political life?

01:04:11.000 Right?

01:04:12.000 They're going to figure out ways that they can kind of push back.

01:04:14.000 And this is not a shout at Thomas, but we teach this, right?

01:04:17.000 What do politicians care about?

01:04:18.000 They care about getting elected, re-elected, and elected to higher office, right?

01:04:22.000 That's all.

01:04:23.000 Even the good guys.

01:04:24.000 That's what they do.

01:04:25.000 So his path to getting re-elected is he can't align with Trump if Trump's going after him every single day.

01:04:32.000 He's able to raise money on certain things because he's, you know, they're amplifying when he's, I don't want to say anti-Trump, but yes, I think we're seeing much more of the rhetoric.

01:04:42.000 But I always say to people, like, what do you expect in your political life's on the line?

01:04:46.000 Either A, you retire, or B, you fight to try to win.

01:04:50.000 I think Thomas Massey wins his reelection with 55 to 60 points.

01:04:54.000 That's what I think.

01:04:55.000 I could be wrong.

01:04:56.000 Oh, I think he's going to win.

01:04:58.000 And, you know, over the next couple of months for the May 19th primary.

01:05:02.000 But I think if he wins, my dream, let me say this.

01:05:08.000 I'll say this for Rand and for Thomas.

01:05:10.000 My dream is we get through this cycle, you know, we can make amends, bring together more of a better coalition that's America first.

01:05:17.000 I know you guys laugh about it now, but there have been a lot of people that have kind of come full circle.

01:05:22.000 And I'd like to expose the moderates, not the people that are far right.

01:05:27.000 But that goes back to my point.

01:05:28.000 That's like, so that's what's so frustrating is that, you know, Rand did the truce thing with Mitch, which was, and again, I'm not trying to put you on the spot, Cliff.

01:05:39.000 So I'm not expecting a response from you because we love you and I want to do that to you.

01:05:45.000 But it's like, you know, Rand could have used his political capital to go after Mitch, you know, all for all these years.

01:05:54.000 And from time to time, I think it's easy.

01:05:57.000 I think it's the cheap shot, you know, to go after the president.

01:06:01.000 You know, it's a cheap shot to know that we only have a couple of a couple seat majority, you know, in both chambers, you know, and to use that, leverage that against the president's administration.

01:06:18.000 It's the harder to go after the moderates.

01:06:21.000 It's harder to take out the moderates and make this country a better place by going after the uniparty. 1.00

01:06:28.000 And again, that's not to say that both of these guys haven't been warriors on that.

01:06:34.000 It's they haven't been focused enough warriors.

01:06:37.000 And the left is really good at going after our people in a focused way where they don't do this kind of stuff.

01:06:45.000 They never, like, Joe Biden couldn't turn on a light switch in the White House by himself, you know, at the end of his term.

01:06:55.000 And his party wasn't attacking him.

01:06:57.000 They're like, oh, he's so great.

01:06:59.000 You know, we're going to miss him so much.

01:07:01.000 Was so no, but no, he no, that's not what they said.

01:07:06.000 They were like, that was so brave of him to step down.

01:07:10.000 Like, that was so brave.

01:07:12.000 And our side is like, our best warriors, you know, can't remain focused enough to go after the radical commie left and the uniparty who's aiding those guys.

01:07:22.000 So that's my, that's my one big thing.

01:07:24.000 And I know that's exactly what you're saying in so many ways, Cliff, is that like, I have that dream too, is that like, hopefully, you know, people will win.

01:07:32.000 And that's what elections are for, primary elections are for, and then everyone can lay off and then they can be friends again.

01:07:37.000 And Trump's really good at that.

01:07:38.000 He's really good at being like, oh, well, you know, now we're friends again.

01:07:41.000 And we figured out ways to work together.

01:07:44.000 And he's always actually been really good at that.

01:07:46.000 And he deserves a lot of credit if that happens.

01:07:48.000 But I'm a little bit worried that, you know, if it goes the other direction, and let's say, you know, something bad happens and he loses, right?

01:07:56.000 Like that people are going to be like, pick up, you know, take their ball and go home type thing.

01:08:01.000 And the liberty community within the Republican Party is super important in a lot of different states for the Republican Party to survive and be good.

01:08:08.000 And they're a big part of Maha.

01:08:10.000 And there's a big part of big elements of like kind of the neo, you know, Trump 2.0 world that we have here that I think is really unhealthy for the direction that we could go if we don't have them as part of the table.

01:08:26.000 So I'm actually horrified by the idea that that could happen because I don't that I think that fractures the I think he's going to win.

01:08:33.000 I think he's going to win.

01:08:34.000 Yeah, I think he's going to win too.

01:08:35.000 But I mean, your point's made.

01:08:37.000 He makes the coalition stronger if we can all sort of sing from the same song.

01:08:41.000 But yeah, like to Cliff's point, if they don't come together, like we're still fractured as if he lost.

01:08:46.000 Right?

01:08:47.000 Like, so like you have a situation here where it's like, guys, the Republican Party has to realize we're kind of like kids in Jim in elementary school when we had that big, you know, that big parachute tarp thing that they made all American get.

01:09:03.000 Talk about white culture full circle here. 0.52

01:09:05.000 Like they made all of us like you lift it up and you pull it down and everybody's under there for a few seconds.

01:09:11.000 Everyone's like, we're all friends.

01:09:12.000 Everything's great.

01:09:13.000 Like everyone's, but it takes everybody to do that together for it to work.

01:09:17.000 That's a big tent party you just described.

01:09:20.000 It's a PE parachute party is what it is.

01:09:23.000 PE parachute party.

01:09:24.000 I mean, I don't like big tent.

01:09:25.000 We're a PE parachute party.

01:09:26.000 What percentage of the conservative movement, Cliff, do you think is kind of like this liberty movement, this libertarian right, you know, segment of it?

01:09:36.000 Well, I separate it by people that live in reality and don't, right?

01:09:39.000 If you're not willing to vote Republican, then, you know, I don't put you in that camp of like, hey, you're a realist.

01:09:45.000 You understand that losers don't legislate.

01:09:48.000 Like either you get that or you don't, right?

01:09:50.000 So I think it's probably a solid 10 to 20% of the Republican wing is what I would call still Tea Party libertarian.

01:09:58.000 It's not 50%, right?

01:09:59.000 I mean, most people, this is not a shot at voters, but as we all know, most Republican voters are working class trying to put food on the table, taking their kids to basketball practice, right?

01:10:08.000 They're not ideologues, but I think it is somewhere between 10, 10 to 20% that I would consider to be hardcore liberty slash Tea Party slash, hey, the debt's a problem.

01:10:18.000 We need less government.

01:10:20.000 I wish it was more.

01:10:21.000 That's right.

01:10:22.000 Charlie used to rage.

01:10:23.000 Like he used to be a little bit more libertarian-minded, but then he started raging against it because he thought a lot of bad ideas worked their way into the conservative movement because of it.

01:10:33.000 But it doesn't mean that it's all bad.

01:10:35.000 Some of the abstractions are pretty fun to think through.

01:10:38.000 But yeah, to your point, if they're realist, then we can work with them.

01:10:42.000 And the question with Thomas Massey is, if, say, you get a new president there, will he be able to work willing to work with like a JD Vance or Marco Rubio?

01:10:52.000 No, no, no.

01:10:52.000 It's an interesting question.

01:10:54.000 I think 2028, JD Vance, God willing, gets in the White House, right?

01:10:59.000 I think you're going to see a big liberty push.

01:11:02.000 I think JD is going to embrace a lot of it.

01:11:04.000 And that doesn't mean he's disagreeing with Trump.

01:11:05.000 I'm just saying, I just think the timing of that, if Massey and Rand, I think the Freedom Clock is, I think JD is going to be one of the best presidents of our lifetime.

01:11:13.000 And I think it's going to be a huge opportunity.

01:11:15.000 But like Tyler said, if it doesn't happen under JD, it's not going to happen.

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01:12:38.000 Well, we wanted to read this.

01:12:40.000 We talked about it a little bit the other day, but we really need to marinate in the lovely poetry of perennial Charlie punching bag Eric Swalwell.

01:12:48.000 Who's, by the way, the leading they have, they do a jungle primary in California, and he's the leading Dem.

01:12:53.000 I'll take it.

01:12:54.000 The sad thing is, I'll take it.

01:12:55.000 There's some really bad Dems in that pile.

01:12:58.000 Who's the girl we were talking about? 0.95

01:12:59.000 Porter?

01:13:00.000 Yeah, Porter.

01:13:01.000 I can't make fun of Torch.

01:13:03.000 A lot of people got upset because we made fun of Katie Porter's appearance too much.

01:13:06.000 So I will not make any comments on Katie Porter's appearance.

01:13:09.000 Listen, listen, you won't see.

01:13:11.000 You call ugly ugly, all right?

01:13:12.000 And Eric Swalwell is stupid.

01:13:14.000 I mean, he's just a, I mean, it is pervy, it is scary that that could be a governor.

01:13:21.000 Like, if Eric Swalwell can become a governor, I was, I mean, in no, in no normal country do they let guys like Eric Swalwell become governor.

01:13:33.000 Yeah.

01:13:34.000 Well, we're not a normal country.

01:13:35.000 We're the United States of America.

01:13:37.000 What I love about this story, by the way, is that Eric Swalwell's old poetry was discovered by a big favorite of mine.

01:13:42.000 It was conservative filmmaker Joel Gilbert.

01:13:45.000 That name will not mean anything to anyone, but Joel Gilbert did the Trayvon hoax.

01:13:51.000 Does anyone know about that one?

01:13:52.000 He also did the, he did the Michelle Obama is going to run for president.

01:13:59.000 That one didn't pan out as much, but the Trayvon hoax is a must-watch because he basically proves that the prosecution team in the George Zimmerman trial engaged in witness fraud.

01:14:11.000 Rachel Gentel, they had her as Trayvon Martin's girlfriend, and she was a total imposter case. 0.98

01:14:18.000 They were faking everything.

01:14:18.000 And he proves it's stone cold.

01:14:20.000 You can find it.

01:14:20.000 I think it's on YouTube somewhere.

01:14:22.000 You can watch it.

01:14:23.000 Proves it's stone cold.

01:14:24.000 Anyway, this guy went.

01:14:26.000 He's a great friendly autist, as I like to say.

01:14:28.000 He's really a big details guy, really dives into it.

01:14:31.000 And he went and he dug up all the old college writings of Eric Swalwell, which includes this lovely poem that he published.

01:14:41.000 If you have children watching this show, for whatever reason, you may want to lead them away.

01:14:45.000 It is not entirely appropriate, but it is funny.

01:14:48.000 Hung over from Burgundy.

01:14:51.000 And their beauty was.

01:14:52.000 Can we get a music track here?

01:14:53.000 Yeah, if we can get, if we have any smooth jazz or something, look at that guy.

01:14:58.000 Romance music.

01:14:59.000 Picture this man reading this.

01:15:01.000 Imagine this man on a stage.

01:15:03.000 He's doing this at a poetry slam at whatever school.

01:15:07.000 Campbell University.

01:15:08.000 Hungover from Burgundy.

01:15:10.000 And there beauty was, formless and magnificent.

01:15:14.000 A flurry of limbs and nails.

01:15:17.000 She chased and I ran.

01:15:20.000 I chased and she ran. 0.98

01:15:22.000 Atop my hotel, she stopped, and I leapt for cloth and tan.

01:15:27.000 My anxious arm, she bit.

01:15:29.000 My scar is beautiful.

01:15:31.000 While I screamed, she bent her lips to mine. 1.00

01:15:34.000 Kissing till veins imploded and exploded.

01:15:39.000 Till blood rolled down our chins.

01:15:42.000 For bounded mouths cannot speak of parting.

01:15:46.000 In the morning, I awoke beside Beauty's shadow.

01:15:50.000 Her form sloppy, her legs pale, my scar lost, my lips cracked and dry, and we groaned simultaneously.

01:16:00.000 Gosh, this is gross.

01:16:03.000 Is this like weird, like, vampire sex stuff?

01:16:05.000 Yeah, why is he biting?

01:16:06.000 Is there blood?

01:16:07.000 I think they're drinking wine, so it's burgundy, and it gets them animated.

01:16:11.000 But then they bite each other.

01:16:14.000 that's how i read it yours is way too yours is way giving it way too much credit This is weird.

01:16:21.000 He's probably some weird.

01:16:23.000 He's like rubbing himself peanut butter in the middle of the night.

01:16:27.000 He's some goober.

01:16:29.000 There's something weird.

01:16:30.000 He likes like female books, like vampire books. 0.99

01:16:33.000 I bet he reads that trashy, like, what do you call those?

01:16:36.000 Those romance novels that are basically female poor and hard-looking romance novels? 0.94

01:16:40.000 He does that.

01:16:41.000 Yeah.

01:16:41.000 Then he has that.

01:16:42.000 Then, you know, he actually wrote an op ed in the Campbell newspaper saying, I'm not a Republican, nor am I a Democrat.

01:16:50.000 Is there really a difference between an elephant and a donkey?

01:16:55.000 He also did columns on his spring break trips and stuff.

01:16:59.000 He talked about going to Cancun.

01:17:01.000 Just a little bit of a damn thing.

01:17:03.000 Why does this say the conservatives companion?

01:17:05.000 I'm not sure why.

01:17:06.000 I'm not sure why.

01:17:08.000 Don't forget.

01:17:09.000 Did he consider himself?

01:17:10.000 He might have.

01:17:11.000 I think he might have rejected all labels.

01:17:13.000 Maybe he was the most conservative guy they had at Campbell University in 2000.

01:17:16.000 This is a good sign for California if he wins.

01:17:20.000 But here's the thing.

01:17:22.000 I can't tell who's uglier, Eric Swalwell or Katie Porter.

01:17:27.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

01:17:28.000 Show that picture of him.

01:17:29.000 Come on.

01:17:31.000 He's pretty freaky.

01:17:31.000 He's got like...

01:17:33.000 There's some like smoothness going on.

01:17:37.000 Describe him, Andrew, with the music.

01:17:38.000 It just looks like... There's just something...

01:17:44.000 The wrinkle of the chin.

01:17:45.000 There's like fat in the wrong places or something.

01:17:48.000 I can't.

01:17:48.000 I don't know.

01:17:49.000 It just, it just, I don't know.

01:17:51.000 Okay, well, we're going to get a very different voice.

01:17:53.000 This is him describing his trip to Cancun, which instead of being, you know, poetry voice has to be, I guess, dude bro voice.

01:18:02.000 At each club, we did a stage show, usually karaoke to various popular summer anthems.

01:18:07.000 But we were not limited to song and dance.

01:18:10.000 One club asked a friend and me if we would be interested in being honorary guest judges of the largest swimsuit contest in Cancun.

01:18:18.000 Being the opportunist that we are, we gladly obliged.

01:18:23.000 Other perks included unlimited jet skiing the whole week, complimentary meals at fat Tuesdays, and a heavily discounted scuba diving trip to Cozumel.

01:18:34.000 Yeah.

01:18:35.000 And he goes on like that for several pages.

01:18:37.000 So we have Eric Swalwell.

01:18:41.000 The most horrifying picture ever taken was this one of a Swalwell and Ruben Gallego shirtless on camels.

01:18:41.000 Yeah.

01:18:50.000 We got it.

01:18:51.000 We're just about to put it up.

01:18:52.000 There it is.

01:18:54.000 The Swalwell on a camel.

01:18:56.000 Oh yeah.

01:18:57.000 All right.

01:18:58.000 Who's that other guy?

01:18:59.000 Is that Ruben Gallego?

01:19:00.000 That's Ruben Gallego.

01:19:01.000 That's Fatty Gallego.

01:19:02.000 That's amazing.

01:19:03.000 I can't remember.

01:19:04.000 That's Ruben Maureen Lorena.

01:19:05.000 So I think that's a good idea.

01:19:06.000 That's his actual name.

01:19:07.000 That's his dad, his cartel name.

01:19:09.000 And Barack Obama.

01:19:10.000 Do you know this?

01:19:11.000 Hold on.

01:19:11.000 Is that Ralph Ruben at the bottom of the post?

01:19:14.000 Ruben Gallego.

01:19:15.000 Ruben's Mikhail.

01:19:17.000 That's Malik.

01:19:21.000 No, no.

01:19:22.000 But no, Ruben, his actual name is Ruben Maureen Lorena.

01:19:28.000 He changed it because his dad's a cartel felon.

01:19:33.000 Didn't he like lose his wife or something when she was pregnant?

01:19:37.000 So, no, this is how crazy it is.

01:19:38.000 Ruben's actual name that he just changed like a handful of years ago.

01:19:42.000 His name's Ruben Maureen Lorena.

01:19:44.000 His dad was a cartel pawn.

01:19:47.000 He's like got thrown in the slammer.

01:19:48.000 It's like a total, like, it's like a real thing.

01:19:51.000 Like, you can Google it.

01:19:52.000 It's like everywhere.

01:19:52.000 This all makes sense.

01:19:53.000 And he changed his name to his stepdad's name or whatever.

01:19:56.000 Gallego.

01:19:58.000 Marries Kate, who is the mayor of Phoenix.

01:20:02.000 Her name's Kate Gallego now.

01:20:06.000 And then they got divorced, and she kept his name.

01:20:09.000 So she's Mayor Gallego. 1.00

01:20:11.000 That wasn't even a blood name.

01:20:12.000 He just changed his name.

01:20:14.000 But that probably helps her get elected as a Democrat. 1.00

01:20:17.000 I mean, it's just an easier name to remember.

01:20:17.000 Oh, yeah.

01:20:19.000 So didn't he dump his wife when she was pregnant, though?

01:20:23.000 It's like a whole thing.

01:20:25.000 Yeah.

01:20:25.000 Okay.

01:20:26.000 And then the other thing is, so I ran into, so I was doing a Fox hit in D.C.

01:20:31.000 And I'm walking out and there's like a, there's NBC, there's all these other outlets that are there.

01:20:36.000 I'm walking out and I go past Ruben Gallego.

01:20:40.000 And I didn't even recognize him at first.

01:20:41.000 I just heard people talking off to my side.

01:20:43.000 Oh, he's only four feet tall.

01:20:45.000 And yeah, he's very short.

01:20:46.000 That was the thing that shocked me.

01:20:48.000 You can easily miss him.

01:20:49.000 Yeah, it's how short he was.

01:20:51.000 And I heard a guy just swearing up a storm, like swearing like a sailor.

01:20:55.000 Bra, bra, bra.

01:20:56.000 Like three or four, like in a row.

01:20:58.000 And I look over, I'm like, dude, that's Ruben Gallego is just swearing like a sailor, right?

01:21:03.000 In the lobby of, you know, to get into the Fox Bureau.

01:21:05.000 And I was like, well, that fits.

01:21:08.000 And now that I hear that he has cartel ties.

01:21:10.000 This is unrelated.

01:21:11.000 Did you see that?

01:21:12.000 Did you see all those love handles that Eric Swalwell was hanging on to?

01:21:16.000 Throw it up again.

01:21:17.000 I don't want it to be thrown up again.

01:21:19.000 They were sharing a camel at one point.

01:21:21.000 I feel like right into the Egyptian sunset.

01:21:26.000 It was just Eric Swalwell and Ruben Gallego.

01:21:29.000 I feel like Swalwell needs a bro.

01:21:31.000 Dude, what if it's top two?

01:21:33.000 It's top two.

01:21:34.000 Obviously, we want a Republican to advance in California, but what if Swalwell could get both of the top two spots?

01:21:40.000 Because we could have dude bro Eric Swalwell and we could have tender lover Eric Swalwell.

01:21:46.000 And then California voters could choose between AI Swalwell. 0.98

01:21:50.000 We could have AI conservative, the conservative option or whatever he called himself.

01:21:54.000 This has been wonderful.

01:21:57.000 Last question.

01:21:58.000 Is there any chance that two Republicans get the top two or is that match?

01:22:03.000 Totally possible if the Democrats don't drop out.

01:22:05.000 Yeah, if they just keep splitting the vote.

01:22:07.000 There's a chance, but I mean, it's very slim.

01:22:10.000 What needs to happen?

01:22:12.000 One of the Republicans needs to drop out and consolidate.

01:22:14.000 And obviously, Charlie endorsed Steve Hilton.

01:22:17.000 So Chad Bianco, we would just love for you to consolidate forces right behind Steve Hilton and make sure we got a Republican on that ticket.

01:22:26.000 But I would argue I think the best chance is honestly that idea of like, because of the top two, the voter registration numbers, the reality is that for a Republican to win in the general is like almost is very difficult.

01:22:38.000 I mean, you're like under a million votes.

01:22:41.000 Yeah, but we got voter ID on the ballot too.

01:22:43.000 There's going to be a lot that is going to generate a lot of energy for the I get it.

01:22:47.000 What Cliff's saying is, like, that would be an awesome situation if, like, Steve and Chad manage to squeak out a situation where they make it through and in the top two primary.

01:22:58.000 That may be the reason why Democrats want to eliminate the top two primary in a state like California is if that happens, because this type of thing may never happen again for a long time because Democrats are really good at like trying to game the system.

01:23:13.000 Yeah, scare everybody out of the race. 0.98

01:23:15.000 Usually, the Republicans in California, they'll run like 15 candidates, and then the Democrats run like one or two, and then the Dems end up a lot of times winning the top two in each of these in these races.

01:23:28.000 This is part of the reason why the Republican Party has been eradicated in California, which is the top two primaries.

01:23:32.000 Javier Becerra, you got Antonio Villa Rogosa.

01:23:35.000 Do you know that Antonio, we're talking about last names with Galliego.

01:23:38.000 His last name used to be Tony Villar.

01:23:41.000 You.

01:23:41.000 And he literally changed it to get the Hispanic vote when he ran for LA mayor to Antonio.

01:23:46.000 Beto O'Rourke, Robert Francis O'Rourke became beto.

01:23:49.000 Meanwhile, Rafael Cruz goes by Ted.

01:23:52.000 I think that that is like the greatest illustration of American sort of politics in that.

01:23:58.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:23:59.000 You get Hispanics always picking up on white trash. 1.00

01:23:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:24:04.000 Charlie would never call her Ana Paulina.

01:24:07.000 Like Wayne.

01:24:08.000 He just would call her Ana Paulina because that was her name.

01:24:10.000 And then she added the Luna to run in Florida.

01:24:13.000 That's neither here nor there.

01:24:15.000 This has been fun.

01:24:16.000 Cliff, thanks for joining us tonight on our Thursday Thought Crime.

01:24:21.000 And Tyler.

01:24:22.000 And actually, I missed a few, so I'm excited to be here.

01:24:25.000 Yes, no, it's a lot of fun.

01:24:26.000 But you know, who wasn't here was Jack, and he's been on every single episode.

01:24:31.000 So he wanted to make sure he would get involved.

01:24:33.000 So we did do a segment.

01:24:35.000 What'd you talk about?

01:24:36.000 We talked about Barack Obama and whether he confirmed aliens existed, whether aliens do exist, whether aliens should exist, whether it might be good if they destroyed us all.

01:24:45.000 Trump chimed in on that today.

01:24:47.000 He did, but unfortunately.

01:24:48.000 Obama just, you know, disclosed some classified material, and he shouldn't have done that.

01:24:53.000 He might bail him out.

01:24:53.000 Big trouble.

01:24:54.000 And thanks to class.

01:24:56.000 We don't have time travel abilities, so we weren't able to hit that, but we hit a lot of other very fun stuff.

01:25:00.000 So we'll make this transition by throwing to that guy himself, Obama.

01:25:06.000 Obama.

01:25:08.000 Are aliens real?

01:25:10.000 They're real, but I haven't seen them.

01:25:13.000 And they're not being kept in Area 51.

01:25:18.000 There's no underground facility.

01:25:21.000 Unless there's this enormous conspiracy and they hit it from the president of the United States.

01:25:28.000 Jeff.

01:25:29.000 Whoa.

01:25:30.000 So I want to let everyone in on this.

01:25:32.000 So, you know, we're pre-recording this.

01:25:34.000 Obviously, as you can see, it is Ash Wednesday where I'm at.

01:25:38.000 I am currently with the president right now, probably on Air Force One at the moment, flying with him around on this Board of Peace situation and then going down to Georgia for the speech that he's having over there, seeing if we're going to strike Iran anytime soon. 0.87

01:25:57.000 So doing all that stuff.

01:25:58.000 It occurs to me, Jack, like by the time people remiss if I missed a thought crime.

01:26:02.000 So here I am virtually.

01:26:04.000 It does occur to me, Jack, by the time people see this and hear this, like you, we might be like deep in it.

01:26:09.000 Like you might be on the plane as they just like blow up Tehran or whatever. 0.98

01:26:15.000 That could be like really dramatic event.

01:26:16.000 Look at it this way.

01:26:17.000 Like if there's anywhere you want to be, it's Air Force One, right?

01:26:19.000 It's like literally the safest, like the safest plane you could be on.

01:26:22.000 It's designed to establish.

01:26:24.000 But Jack, it's not where you want to be.

01:26:26.000 You would want to be with us covering it live because I assume we've got to be going live if that does in fact happen.

01:26:32.000 So we'll see.

01:26:33.000 Well, we certainly know that that's what Charlie would have wanted.

01:26:36.000 Yes.

01:26:37.000 Go live.

01:26:38.000 So I don't know how safe it would be because if President Obama is telling the truth and the aliens are real, I'm pretty sure they could take out Air Force One like they're just swatting down a fly.

01:26:51.000 Well, so here's the thing, though.

01:26:52.000 If he knows aliens are real, but they haven't revealed himself to Obama, then it's sort of like, have they revealed themselves to Trump?

01:27:00.000 Does Trump know about the secret?

01:27:02.000 Maybe.

01:27:02.000 What if they did that?

01:27:03.000 Like they revealed themselves to Trump and he says, like, why didn't you reveal yourselves to Obama?

01:27:08.000 And they're like, well, we needed to wait for a real president or like a more, or the aliens watch too much TV and too much movies and they only think it's a real president if he looks more TV appropriate.

01:27:21.000 It's kind of like, wasn't that the plot of that Galaxy Quest movie?

01:27:23.000 Like it was a civilization that based itself on watching Star Trek episodes that got beamed into space.

01:27:30.000 I think you're right.

01:27:30.000 I haven't seen that in forever.

01:27:31.000 I think you're right, though.

01:27:32.000 It was something like that.

01:27:36.000 Don't play dumb with me, Jack.

01:27:38.000 I know that you're watching.

01:27:39.000 I've watched every single episode of Star Trek.

01:27:42.000 I know you.

01:27:42.000 You're going to.

01:27:43.000 I've watched.

01:27:44.000 Okay, so I've watched all of TNG.

01:27:46.000 I've watched all of Deep Space Nine, which is, of course, the best trek.

01:27:51.000 And I've watched most of Enterprise.

01:27:54.000 But not the original?

01:27:56.000 I've not watched all the original, no.

01:27:58.000 All right.

01:27:58.000 I've seen probably movies except Beyond, like the most recent of the J.J. Abrams movies.

01:28:05.000 Okay.

01:28:05.000 I've seen, I think I've seen about 15 to 20 TNG episodes, and that's it.

01:28:11.000 Believe it or not, Jack, I am not a big Star Trek guy.

01:28:14.000 Wow, that is weird.

01:28:15.000 That is, I didn't, I had not have you pegged for that at all, as a matter of fact.

01:28:19.000 I'm a man who's full of surprises.

01:28:21.000 Well, what's crazy, though, is the people who believe in like, so I'm 100% sure that Barack Obama is a huge Star Trek guy and more than likely a TNG guy, which is the next generation for people who, you know, are following at home.

01:28:34.000 Because TNG is like, it's basically like Libchart Future.

01:28:39.000 And it's like, it's like the comedy.

01:28:41.000 Are you just wildly speculating, Jack?

01:28:43.000 Because I remember, I think right when he took office, there was some notorious white kind of all the guys soy facing, except Soy Face wasn't a meme yet, because he did the Vulcan salute to somebody at the event. 0.74

01:28:55.000 Yeah.

01:28:56.000 He totally did the thing.

01:28:57.000 Yeah.

01:28:57.000 No, he totally did this.

01:28:58.000 He played that up.

01:29:00.000 That, you know, that, because, but for people who like believe in Star Trek as like a political ideology, they sit there and go like, well, wouldn't it be great if we had like, because there were a bunch of episodes in The Next Generation where they kind of like crap on capitalism and they say like,

01:29:16.000 oh, we've, there's, there's one episode where a guy who's like a businessman was, I don't know, he's like cryogenically frozen or something and he gets he gets reanimated in the 24th century and he starts kind of talking about like business and stuff like that.

01:29:31.000 And Picard is sort of like hoo-pooing him and say, oh, we've, we've outdone, we've, we've all, we've, you know, moved beyond such outdated versions of capitalism.

01:29:43.000 And I remember money and we don't have those things anymore.

01:29:46.000 Yeah.

01:29:47.000 I remember it's like one of the episodes for and they're like, we serve for the progress of science.

01:29:54.000 I remember one of the few episodes I have seen, it was like he has he intervened.

01:29:59.000 It was like someone was posing as a magical goddess who'd blessed this planet.

01:30:03.000 And like Picard has to come in and, you know, he reveals that she's a charlatan because it's like they thought that she'd save them from destruction, but they'd saved themselves.

01:30:12.000 And the way they'd saved themselves is they'd dismantled their backwards industrial economy and moved to an agrarian socialist economy.

01:30:19.000 And this had saved them from annihilation.

01:30:22.000 It might be one of the movies, actually.

01:30:24.000 It was definitely an episode.

01:30:25.000 I remember because it was when it was on Spike TV back.

01:30:28.000 It's like similar to that.

01:30:29.000 But it's not.

01:30:32.000 It's very clear that Next Generation is extremely anti-religion.

01:30:36.000 It's extremely, it's again, it's just very communistic.

01:30:40.000 It's very social.

01:30:41.000 It's probably like democrat socialism more than communism directly because it's this weird idea that like, oh, if you remove scarcity, then everyone's just going to get along.

01:30:52.000 And like the Klingons are bad because they just, they just don't go along with the rules-based order of the federation. 1.00

01:30:58.000 And it's, it's, it's, it's like the globalist future.

01:31:01.000 And they, they have this, and of course, the question comes up.

01:31:05.000 It's like, how do you, okay, so how do you get rid of the scarcity problem?

01:31:08.000 And the scarcity problem is, of course, resources.

01:31:12.000 So competition for resources is what we have in the, in, in not just the U.S., the whole world, right?

01:31:17.000 So this is why, you know, wars do tend to break out.

01:31:21.000 We have scarcity of land, scarcity of minerals, et cetera, et cetera, right?

01:31:25.000 So how do they get away with that in Star Trek?

01:31:28.000 Magic.

01:31:29.000 Literally, they had to come up with magic called, with, which is something called the replicator.

01:31:35.000 And the replicator is this magical device, which again, they don't even try to explain in Star Trek that just gives you whatever food or whatever like drink or beverage or meal you want at like, you know, the snap of your fingers.

01:31:53.000 And of course, Picard is always like, gee, oh, Ray, hot, you know, and it just gears.

01:31:57.000 And it's like, well, well, what went in, like, like, even if you have a 3D printer, like you have to put something into it.

01:32:03.000 Yeah, it's just a true perfect matter converter.

01:32:06.000 And yeah, just magical post-scarcity situation.

01:32:09.000 And it's, it's so funny because I know there's been other works of fiction where they develop the same thing.

01:32:14.000 Like, oh, they have perfect post-scarcity.

01:32:16.000 And some of them are interesting because a lot of those societies, the way they portray them is they get like total ennui, like nothing can give them interest or joy anymore.

01:32:24.000 So like they literally like want to kill themselves.

01:32:26.000 They want to just like.

01:32:27.000 Well, that kind of happens in the Expanse, actually.

01:32:29.000 Okay.

01:32:29.000 So in the Expanse series, which I'm actually not a fan of, but I have read all of it and seen all of it.

01:32:35.000 It's a long story.

01:32:37.000 I have a love-hate relationship with sci-fi, as you can tell.

01:32:41.000 They're like, Jack, have we seen every episode of The Next Generation?

01:32:43.000 Yes.

01:32:43.000 Do you like it?

01:32:44.000 No.

01:32:45.000 But then why did you getting back?

01:32:51.000 So they have the same thing.

01:32:52.000 They have universal basic income on Earth.

01:32:56.000 And it's like people just sort of like, but it's still like a wastrel kind of like waste of time and space.

01:33:03.000 People don't really have jobs because, you know, it's sort of like, okay, well, we have this basic income and yet everything still sucks anyway.

01:33:09.000 But then also Earth gets destroyed in that series and like nobody seems to care.

01:33:12.000 Again, it's a long story.

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01:34:15.000 Let's get back to the original.

01:34:16.000 Obviously, some people are like, oh, Obama has confirmed that the aliens are real.

01:34:21.000 I find it unlikely he would reveal it that way.

01:34:24.000 But I guess, why don't we ask, Jack, do you think that aliens are real?

01:34:29.000 Especially both alien life generally and intelligent life of any kind?

01:34:33.000 And if not, why not?

01:34:34.000 We could explore that.

01:34:36.000 Do you have a belief on that one?

01:34:39.000 I'm open-minded on it, right?

01:34:42.000 I think it's possible.

01:34:43.000 I certainly think it's possible.

01:34:44.000 I like the old, I forget, it may have been Carl Sagan or someone else who said, you know, if there isn't, if there isn't anything, that's an awful, awful big waste of space to, you know, and when you look at probabilities, you know, the probability of this many planets and galaxies existing in the universe would tend to, you know, tend to show that you that life could have arisen on other planets somewhere out there, and we just haven't found it yet.

01:35:13.000 I also, you know, this idea of interdimensional type things, that there's higher dimensions that we don't know about.

01:35:20.000 Perhaps there's something going on.

01:35:22.000 Totally open-minded to all that stuff.

01:35:24.000 Love reading about it.

01:35:25.000 Think it's super cool.

01:35:27.000 And I'm not one of those people who's like, oh, it couldn't possibly exist.

01:35:30.000 So no, I'm not like that.

01:35:31.000 But at the same time, you know, I'm also not really, and I'll just say it, like, I'm not really a big believer in this whole like, you know, the UAPs and the government is secretly, the secret programs and stuff.

01:35:46.000 And I just, I'm not, I'm not, and I say that as like a guy who is literally in the intelligence community that I'm like, I've just never seen anything that strikes me as credible there.

01:35:56.000 Yeah, I guess I would just lean towards, I guess, man, I want to have a more decisive one since you're a little more on the fence.

01:36:03.000 If I had to say, I'm going to go, I'm going to embrace like, I feel like maybe it just hasn't happened.

01:36:08.000 Maybe I'd say probably no intelligent life out there.

01:36:11.000 I kind of go towards, what's the big, who's the guy who predicted the singularity?

01:36:19.000 What's his name?

01:36:21.000 Like the singularity is near guy.

01:36:23.000 It's not Fermi, is it?

01:36:25.000 Ray Kurzweil.

01:36:26.000 Ray Kurzweil, that's who it was.

01:36:26.000 Ray Kurzweil, he had an interesting take where he, since he believes in the singularity, he actually would argue humans are the first form of intelligent life that's ever emerged.

01:36:36.000 And he believes it because he thinks kind of the singularity is, you know, super intelligence that would then, he thinks we would immediately permeate the whole universe.

01:36:43.000 We'd kind of turn the whole universe into circuitry.

01:36:46.000 And his argument is that that's so inevitable if there were intelligent life, that humans must be the first form of intelligent life because we don't see the evidence of that in our own galaxy or anywhere else in the universe.

01:36:59.000 And I kind of, I'm sympathetic to that.

01:37:02.000 I think, you know, there's the classic Fermi paradox.

01:37:04.000 Where is everybody?

01:37:05.000 If it seems like there's a gazillion stars and there's even more planets orbiting those stars, it seems like it should have happened.

01:37:13.000 And I think it might really be that Earth, like a habitable Earth-like planet that can have life, that is given enough time to become intelligent life that can then, and then that that in turn develops technology that is able to do things.

01:37:27.000 I could lean towards that being the only ones who are out there.

01:37:30.000 But like you, I don't think.

01:37:32.000 Well, but then there's the other corollary to that is, of course, the great filter, right?

01:37:36.000 The Kardashov, the Kardashiov scale.

01:37:39.000 So which I guess needs.

01:37:41.000 What's your great filter, Jack?

01:37:42.000 What are your top three great filters that are keeping civilization from going to the stars?

01:37:47.000 Well, so these are the great, let me explain it for the audience.

01:37:49.000 So the great filter theory is like kind of the response to this that says, that says, okay, well, what if there's a problem that exists?

01:37:58.000 And this is sort of going back to that Star Trek thinking of, you know, industrial societies and being, you know, inherently destructive, that the great filter is that some, for some reason, societies only progress to the point where they're just about to, you know, embark on space travel and then something happens that either destroys the society, destroys the planet, kills all life, or just prevents them from being able to embark on that level of a society.

01:38:28.000 So, I mean, you know, probably, you know, probably just that just nuclear war or something along those lines is just.

01:38:36.000 Of course, by the way, relativity, just relativity itself is a huge problem.

01:38:40.000 Jack, I mean, I think we can agree.

01:38:43.000 Wouldn't the greatest great filter be libtards? 1.00

01:38:48.000 Yes, exactly.

01:38:50.000 Just like we, you know, we found.

01:38:53.000 It's like you're reading the archives of like some historian in a lost civilization and he's like viewing the patterns and he's just like, we found this civilization and then we found another civilization on this other planet and all of them destroyed themselves.

01:39:04.000 And every single one of them, it was, they reached a certain level of development and then they all started soy facing and dying, dying, the things growing out of their heads different colors and stopping, they cease to reproduce and all of that. 0.94

01:39:20.000 Yeah, no, that reminds me of some of the those, what do they call them?

01:39:24.000 The mouse, you know, the mouse utopia experiments where when a society gets to a certain point of self-sufficiency, that it becomes almost like it's, this is what we actually, this is the response, by the way,

01:39:38.000 to the replicator argument that when a society has too many resources, when you eliminate the need for resource scarcity or you eliminate all resource scarcity, that this actually breaks down society because society is actually governed and along a hierarchy of resource distribution.

01:39:57.000 And so when there is no competition, you get people who check out of society, you get low fertility rates, you get a, I'll just say it, they saw a rise in same-sex relationships again among the mice in these experiments. 0.91

01:40:14.000 And you had people who were constantly worried about, or mice, I should say, mice, mice, mice, not people, who were constantly worried about their looks, who were trying to looks max, as the kids would say these days.

01:40:28.000 And they lend themselves towards essentially destroying their society rather than, and it created a behavioral sync where they couldn't even raise kids anymore.

01:40:38.000 And then the ones who did end up kids had not been raised by parents themselves and it just essentially destroyed their society.

01:40:43.000 That's a great filter right there.

01:40:47.000 Man, your Angelo's message us, he's telling us about the dark forest theory.

01:40:52.000 That is that the dark forest theory is that life is all over the place.

01:40:55.000 Like every other planet has people on it.

01:40:57.000 But the smart ones, aka everyone but us, realizes that you don't talk to everyone in space because if you do, it's like you're walking through a dark forest full of wolves and you're screaming, hey, everybody.

01:41:10.000 and then the wolves come and eat you.

01:41:17.000 That's dark.

01:41:18.000 Wow.

01:41:19.000 Is that like the soundtrack?

01:41:19.000 What was that from?

01:41:21.000 So because we're not, you know, so we're not stealthing ourselves.

01:41:27.000 Oh, wait.

01:41:28.000 I just saw in the chat that you put in the Fermi paradox.

01:41:32.000 I wasn't even reading the stuff you're writing.

01:41:35.000 That, yeah, so it's like, it's like, because we're not using our cloaking systems, you know, we're the ones who are going to get, we're the ones who are going to get wrecked when we might be.

01:41:45.000 I mean, it does feel very like utopian in hindsight, where as soon as we get radio waves, we're just blasting them out into space.

01:41:52.000 That we have SETI and we're just saying, hey, we're here.

01:41:55.000 Is anyone else out there?

01:41:56.000 We're sending the Pioneer Probe with those naked people on it. 0.82

01:41:59.000 And we put Beethoven on it, I think.

01:42:03.000 We put a recording on it, all of that.

01:42:05.000 And then we're sending that out there.

01:42:07.000 And yeah, you can just imagine it gets found by the deep space version of.

01:42:13.000 Dude, we were just watching.

01:42:15.000 I showed my kids the first movie adaptation of War of the Worlds, the 1950s version with the long, the long necks that pop out and the heat rays just like blasting everybody.

01:42:26.000 And what's interesting about that is like this even comes up in there where they first say, oh my gosh, this is, you know, it's first contact.

01:42:32.000 This is great.

01:42:34.000 And then it's like, you know, and then immediately they just start killing everybody.

01:42:39.000 And it's like, and it's like, yeah, that's, that's probably something that could happen.

01:42:43.000 And then the fact, though, that, so, you know, spoiler alert, even though this came out like 100 years ago, they get, they get killed by human bacteria.

01:42:51.000 The problem, though, is, of course, what if the aliens have like Martian bacteria that we've never experienced before and they kill all of us, which could, which I think Stephen Hawking even talked about before, that just direct contact with alien life might be enough to kill us.

01:43:08.000 That would be a darkly interesting, that would be like a good sci-fi horror thing, I think.

01:43:12.000 Like there's first contact between two species and the end would just be they both mutually destroy each other.

01:43:18.000 And like just of disease, everyone drops dead.

01:43:20.000 And like that, that's the takeaway.

01:43:23.000 I've never encountered that, and I wonder if it's been written.

01:43:25.000 That's coming out.

01:43:26.000 This is like a huge part of it.

01:43:28.000 I read the book and then a while ago, and if I remember correctly, that that was a huge issue they had where it was like, so it's, it's, you know, in the movie, it's going to be Ryan Gosling, but then they, so he's like in his pod and then he connects with an alien pod and they're communicating, but they can never, they can never leave their pods because they're worried about that.

01:43:44.000 No, that's interesting.

01:43:45.000 And so I'm thinking about what, since we're pre-taping this, we can't see the emails or messages, but I'm thinking of what has come in when we discussed this before.

01:43:52.000 And I know a lot of people, they take the point of view that if aliens do exist, this is actually something we've heard.

01:43:58.000 Tucker's talked about it, just the belief things we think are aliens are actually demonic entities, or that just in general, there can't be aliens because they're not mentioned in the Bible or scriptures.

01:44:10.000 And so they can't exist for that reason.

01:44:14.000 I guess I would push back on that.

01:44:16.000 I think I would adhere, C.S. Lewis said this, that there's nothing really innately implausible that God could create non-human creatures that are still, you could say, human in the biblical sense, that they are ensouled beings because they have human levels of cognitive development, wisdom, whatever we would believe in that sense.

01:44:37.000 I know I've also, I've mentioned this before.

01:44:39.000 I've read short fiction that even speculates there could be aliens that exist.

01:44:43.000 And because they exist, they also need their own version of the incarnation, which in theory is possible.

01:44:49.000 People have speculated that Christ appears in the Old Testament.

01:44:53.000 He's just not identified as Christ.

01:44:56.000 I know one take is that Methuselah is actually like an incarnate, a case of the incarnation.

01:45:03.000 Not Methuselah, Melchizedek, that Melchizedek is like a Christ appearance in the Old Testament, or that when the three men visit Abraham, that that is the Trinity visiting him. 0.62

01:45:16.000 It's interesting to speculate upon, in my opinion.

01:45:20.000 Yeah, there's also a couple things in the Bible, in the Old Testament.

01:45:23.000 Again, Ezekiel's wheels, of course, is like a common thing that people refer to, the wheels within wheels with eyes.

01:45:31.000 And now some people say, well, that was angels.

01:45:34.000 But then other people point out to say, you know, could that have been some kind of extraterrestrial being or extra-dimensional in this case, being?

01:45:43.000 Elijah's chariot, of course, the chariot of fire that Elijah took to heaven.

01:45:48.000 Could that have been a UFO?

01:45:49.000 Could that have been a spacecraft?

01:45:51.000 The Nephilim, which of course come up in Genesis, these sons of God or humans who mated with some kind of, did they mate with fallen angels?

01:46:00.000 Did that turn into, you know, did that turn into something?

01:46:03.000 And again, you know, of course, Tucker has talked about this.

01:46:06.000 A lot of people, Joe Rogan has gotten into this, Mo Gibson, that, you know, could what we describe as aliens just be non-human life that's from another plane of existence.

01:46:19.000 And so when I was talking about interdimensional or extra-dimensional earlier on, you know, the Bible certainly talks about beings from other planes of existence, ones which are benevolent angels and ones which are malevolent, which are demons, which we refer to.

01:46:34.000 And so it's simply just, you know, I would say a point of view or a matter of perspective as to say, well, would those count as aliens or something like that?

01:46:42.000 Because the Bible certainly does talk quite a bit about non-human entities.

01:46:49.000 Exactly.

01:46:50.000 It's, I think it's what I always would caution people who say, like, oh, the Bible says emphatically that there can't be aliens is, among other things, I would just say, well, then what if we find them?

01:47:02.000 Is that going to disprove the Bible for you?

01:47:04.000 And sometimes I'll get away from it.

01:47:06.000 That doesn't mention America.

01:47:07.000 Yeah, the Bible is, that's why someone said that's why America is unbiblical.

01:47:10.000 That's why America is a demonic entity. 0.68

01:47:14.000 America's, well, the Masonic something like that. 0.90

01:47:18.000 It's not biblical.

01:47:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:47:19.000 So they put the weird Mason eye on the U.S. dollar.

01:47:22.000 But actually, I was messing with on a quick, quick side note, but since we're on the show, I might as well mention, long-term super listeners and OGs might remember that when Charlie spoke at the RNC in 2024, they were doing like theme nights at the RNC, and he was, his night was Make America Wealthy Again.

01:47:49.000 And like you and I were there together.

01:47:51.000 And because he spoke that night, they had, while he was speaking on the stage behind him, they were using like stock images of money and they happened to have the all-seeing eye like directly behind him when he was speaking.

01:48:07.000 And I remember giving him so much crap about that.

01:48:09.000 I was like, Charlie Kirk, Illuminati, confirmed.

01:48:14.000 And he was like, I'll just say it.

01:48:16.000 He was like, he was like, he was like, I asked them about that.

01:48:19.000 I said, could we just get like an American flag or something?

01:48:23.000 They were so sold on this, you know, no, it's, it's, it's wealth, it's money, that's a picture of money, that's something on it.

01:48:29.000 And it's like, it's like, gosh, you know, do you guys know how the internet is going to react to that?

01:48:36.000 But then, of course, Blake, what if it was actually the Illuminati behind the whole thing to begin with?

01:48:44.000 Man, I feel like Illuminati conspiracies have really have petered out a bit.

01:48:48.000 That was so big.

01:48:49.000 Fallen off.

01:48:50.000 Yeah, it's totally fallen off.

01:48:50.000 Totally fallen off.

01:48:51.000 There was so much of that.

01:48:52.000 You know, a great historical note I love.

01:48:55.000 The first political party in America, and I think maybe the first political party in like world history to have a political platform explicitly published, I believe was the Anti-Masonic Party, the Anti-Mason conspiracy party that the U.S. had in the 1830s and 40s, I think is when they grew out.

01:49:18.000 If I remember it, I think the anti-Masonic party even basically evolved into like the same people who were into it. 0.95

01:49:25.000 A lot of them were then in the Know Nothing Party, which then a lot of those people went into the Republican Party.

01:49:33.000 And so fun, fun American political history there.

01:49:37.000 You know, and I'll certainly put this out, you know, you know, Catholics, it is still on the books in Catholic doctrine that you cannot be a Catholic in good standing and be a member of the Freemasons.

01:49:49.000 You can.

01:49:49.000 Or I think any secret society, correct?

01:49:53.000 Yes, Obama is the Antichrist.

01:49:57.000 Alex Jones joining us all of a sudden.

01:50:00.000 Well, Alex Jones, I remember he said once that the reason the Illuminati and the Masons aren't as powerful as they used to be is that they're just in control of the Intel community now. 0.75

01:50:12.000 Oh man.

01:50:14.000 Yeah, you think about the purposes, like why that actually came out is that the Masons and their secret meetings were vectors for anti-religious sentiment.

01:50:25.000 And it was almost like the secretive deep state group chats of their day that you could have these meetings and you would plot to overthrow the church, overthrow monarchy.

01:50:35.000 And nowadays, yeah, you could just have that as your signal chat where you guys coordinate on how to undermine the trumpets.

01:50:41.000 These things did exist.

01:50:42.000 And they existed for a reason.

01:50:44.000 And there certainly were conspiracies to overthrow monarchies.

01:50:47.000 Like we saw them.

01:50:48.000 We saw them happen in real life.

01:50:50.000 And so, and it made sense because if you, you know, if you spoke out against the crown when the crown was still in power, like you're, you're done for.

01:50:58.000 You were out.

01:50:59.000 You know, the same way that there are, you know, many secret societies.

01:51:03.000 It's like, it's like there's secret societies in China right now.

01:51:06.000 There are, you know, secret societies in Russia, I'm sure.

01:51:11.000 Gosh.

01:51:12.000 Secret societies in Russia.

01:51:14.000 You have any Russian music?

01:51:17.000 They got nothing.

01:51:17.000 Got nothing.

01:51:18.000 Heartbreaking.

01:51:19.000 All right.

01:51:20.000 Secret societies in really, guys.

01:51:26.000 Really?

01:51:27.000 The Jeopardy?

01:51:28.000 secret societies in mexico secret societies all over the place but you're not allowed to join them you are your catholic in good standing societies freedom at charliekirk.com And if you're in a secret society, we should do like a late night episode where we do just like Art Bell style.

01:51:53.000 If you, if anyone remembers the old Art Bell Coast to Coast AM, remember?

01:51:57.000 I think that's still on air, isn't it?

01:52:00.000 It's on air, but he hasn't run it anymore because he ascended to a higher plane.

01:52:03.000 I think George Nori runs it.

01:52:07.000 But he used to do these things where he'd be like, he'd be like, all right, time travelers, call in.

01:52:11.000 It's time traveler hour. 0.82

01:52:12.000 If you're a time traveler, call in.

01:52:14.000 And people would call in.

01:52:18.000 So good.

01:52:19.000 Best content.

01:52:20.000 So if you're in a secret society, send us your email.

01:52:22.000 And if you're a time traveler, also, please send us your email.

01:52:26.000 Tell us what bets to make.

01:52:28.000 Tell us how to win all the prediction market stuff.

01:52:33.000 Tell us everything.

01:52:34.000 Tell us the Super Bowl winners, the rest of it.

01:52:36.000 Please do because we need to make all the money.

01:52:39.000 Tell us how the guy who brought us, who started this, tell us how Barack Obama is remembered in the Chinese language histories that they write about this country 200 years from.

01:52:50.000 Have you heard that?

01:52:51.000 By the way, have you heard that?

01:52:52.000 Because it's now the year of the horse in China that Draco Malfoy has from Harry Potter has now become like the mascot of the year of the horse.

01:53:02.000 Why Draco Malfoy?

01:53:05.000 Because like Mafu is means like that's how you say horse in like horse year or horse something in Chinese.

01:53:16.000 And so it's like the same as the way his name is transliterated.

01:53:20.000 So if you go, I'm dead serious.

01:53:22.000 If you go and look up anything about horse year in China, it's like Draco Malfoy is everywhere.

01:53:29.000 Okay, then.

01:53:30.000 Yeah, apparently it's that his name, his translation is Mao Fu, and that basically means horse and good fortune, which they mean because I believe it's specifically, I believe it's specifically the year of the fire horse, and that is a bad luck omen.

01:53:46.000 Yeah, that would be hua, like hua ma, hua as fire.

01:53:50.000 Yeah, because it is specifically that year, and it's so severe.

01:53:54.000 If you, if you check, like the number of births they'll have will drop by a third because no one wants to have a kid during the fire horse year because it is inauspicious.

01:54:02.000 Could you imagine having a kid during the fire horse year?

01:54:05.000 Couldn't be me.

01:54:06.000 Couldn't be me.

01:54:07.000 All right, but they're telling us, they're telling us we're at time, Blake, tell us we're at time.

01:54:12.000 Of course, I've got all the time in the world because I only exist virtually in this space, or do I?

01:54:17.000 Perhaps I am a time traveler because I am a time traveler.

01:54:21.000 You're hearing me yesterday from tomorrow.

01:54:25.000 Whoa, think about that.

01:54:27.000 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and commit more bug rock. 0.94

The Charlie Kirk Show - February 21, 2026

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