The Charlie Kirk Show - March 21, 2026


THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 119 — Canceling Cesar Chavez? Downvote Buttons? Venezuelan Statehood?


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In this episode of Thought Crime, we discuss racism in modern sci-fi movies and TV shows, and why we should stop sending our kids to college. We also talk about the new season of Game of Thrones, and whether or not we should be excited about it.

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00:01:09.000 Welcome to this edition of Thought Crime.
00:01:14.000 You're making me think of Are You Afraid of the Dark?
00:01:17.000 If anyone remembers that, that's a good movie.
00:01:18.000 It's such a good show, rather.
00:01:19.000 So I got the Afraid of Darkness.
00:01:21.000 And I could control them.
00:01:22.000 I could control them with an app, and it's awesome.
00:01:24.000 You know, true story, the oldest memory I have of Phoenix.
00:01:27.000 I've been trying to do it all week.
00:01:28.000 The oldest memory I have of Phoenix is that I came here when I was like nine or so because my dad had a work trip here and I was at the Phoenician and I was watching the Are You Afraid of the Dark movie on the hotel TV.
00:01:41.000 There was a movie?
00:01:42.000 There was like a made-for-TV movie that was like two hours long.
00:01:46.000 And it wasn't a story.
00:01:47.000 The kids had to fight evil in real life.
00:01:50.000 So the Are You Afraid of the Dark that literally I think about all the time is the one where I think the kids turn into like dolls or something.
00:02:00.000 And they're do you remember?
00:02:02.000 Does anyone remember this one?
00:02:03.000 I don't remember that.
00:02:04.000 There's a dollhouse and the kids turn into dolls and their skin becomes porcelain. 0.87
00:02:10.000 Whoa.
00:02:11.000 Wait, no, I remember that.
00:02:12.000 Yeah.
00:02:12.000 Or something.
00:02:13.000 I do remember that.
00:02:14.000 I think about it all the time.
00:02:15.000 I remember.
00:02:16.000 I don't know why.
00:02:17.000 Like it just like it just stuck with me that it was like a really eerie.
00:02:20.000 And it was like a Ryan Gosling episode.
00:02:23.000 It was like 4 p.m.
00:02:25.000 You're like in a dark house.
00:02:27.000 You know, you're eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich after school and you're watching Are You Afraid of the Dark by yourself?
00:02:34.000 Like that was, that was America in like the 90s and early 2000s.
00:02:38.000 Yeah, he was.
00:02:41.000 Ryan Gosling was in the season five episode, The Tale of Station 109.1, which I am not familiar with.
00:02:50.000 Speaking of Ryan Gosling, the team has said that this new movie that he's in is pretty good.
00:02:56.000 The sci-fi one?
00:02:57.000 Yeah.
00:02:58.000 I don't know.
00:02:58.000 I can't really get into that because it's like the original, the first movie that guy made, The Martian, same author, is like one of the most Reddit books ever written.
00:03:08.000 It's like he names his base like Bass Ninja Pirate Monkey or something like that.
00:03:12.000 Yeah, so I've yeah, so I read the book for Project Hail Mary.
00:03:17.000 I thought it was a good book.
00:03:18.000 I'm definitely excited to see the movie.
00:03:21.000 The books, it's sort of like there's what does it say?
00:03:26.000 Like he's like the last person who has the chance to save the world and it's this mission and it's like the stars are going out.
00:03:35.000 So it is kind of like an environmental thing.
00:03:38.000 But then he goes into outer space and he needs this.
00:03:41.000 Was it racism that made the stars go?
00:03:43.000 And like the whole thing is about like their relationship, like figuring out how to like save the world basically to see if the aliens can figure out how to save everything.
00:03:52.000 That's pretty cool.
00:03:53.000 Are the stars going out because of racism?
00:03:55.000 Because that's kind of what modern sci-fi is usually about.
00:03:59.000 That's right.
00:03:59.000 All right, that's good.
00:04:00.000 Yeah, that means we wouldn't want them to avoid confronting systemic racism as the cause of all problems in the world.
00:04:07.000 We have a, I think, noteworthy, it's noteworthy.
00:04:10.000 Our first story has nothing to do with racism.
00:04:15.000 Really?
00:04:16.000 It's a big deal on it.
00:04:17.000 But it is sexism.
00:04:18.000 Well, depends how you look at it.
00:04:22.000 Well, that's what they claimed.
00:04:24.000 That's what this person's supporters claimed.
00:04:26.000 Well, let's get into it.
00:04:27.000 Blake, what's the story?
00:04:29.000 All right.
00:04:29.000 Well, we have, we're very interested in this one.
00:04:32.000 If you're wondering why, despite having no women on here, we're going in a true crime direction.
00:04:37.000 It's because there's a very direct involvement with another case we're all very interested in.
00:04:43.000 The case we are talking about is Corey Richens.
00:04:48.000 This is a true crime saga that's been unfolding in the state to our north in Utah.
00:04:54.000 And it's pretty fascinating.
00:04:56.000 It's got all that stuff that'll make a great podcast later.
00:04:59.000 In fact, I assume it's already made several good podcasts.
00:05:01.000 It's huge in the podcast.
00:05:03.000 Yeah, absolutely massive in the 2x chromosome podcast world.
00:05:07.000 Because Corey Richens, she is a mom, I believe, a Mormon mom in Utah.
00:05:13.000 And years ago, I think like in 2022, her husband in his 40s abruptly died.
00:05:21.000 And she wrote a children's book about the death and about, oh, overcoming this trauma with her children.
00:05:28.000 She got interviews in the press.
00:05:29.000 She was interviewed by an NPR station.
00:05:31.000 Like this was not even a throwaway.
00:05:33.000 This was people saw this story.
00:05:35.000 People read this book.
00:05:36.000 And then mere weeks after the book, yeah, Are You With Me?
00:05:39.000 That's the book there.
00:05:40.000 And then mere weeks after this book came out, the police came forward.
00:05:45.000 They'd been investigating it for a year.
00:05:47.000 And they say Corey actually murdered her husband.
00:05:50.000 She poisoned him.
00:05:52.000 Apparently, she was deep in debt.
00:05:54.000 She'd piled up a lot of debts.
00:05:56.000 And she thought if she murdered her husband, who was from a quite wealthy family, that she would inherit his estate.
00:06:01.000 She also took out a lot of life insurance policies on him.
00:06:05.000 And so she murdered him to get access to that and pay off her debts. 1.00
00:06:09.000 And thankfully, that failed.
00:06:13.000 She finally went to trial.
00:06:14.000 It took three years to go to trial.
00:06:16.000 And after about three hours, I believe a jury was able to convict her.
00:06:21.000 And I think, Jack, you're probably chomping at the bit to reveal why this is of particular interest to us.
00:06:27.000 Let's not do that yet.
00:06:30.000 Let's walk through the story first.
00:06:32.000 All right.
00:06:32.000 Okay.
00:06:33.000 Because that takes it in a different direction.
00:06:35.000 All right.
00:06:36.000 Okay.
00:06:37.000 But she, so a couple things I just want to add.
00:06:39.000 So I'm just kind of pulling this up.
00:06:42.000 The family was Mormon.
00:06:43.000 The family she married into was Mormon, but they claimed her defense claimed at trial that she herself was not.
00:06:50.000 Oh, and that.
00:06:51.000 And that's that important thing. 0.99
00:06:53.000 Like, Tyler, tell me, are Mormon wives like allowed to kill their husbands? 1.00
00:06:57.000 So her not being Mormon? 0.82
00:06:58.000 So this is secret lives of non-Mormon wives is what you're saying. 0.79
00:07:01.000 Secret wives of non-Mormon wives. 0.68
00:07:03.000 Secret lives of non-Maria women. 0.97
00:07:04.000 What is the Mormon church's position on spousal murder?
00:07:07.000 It's pretty strong.
00:07:08.000 You should do it.
00:07:10.000 Okay.
00:07:10.000 Reasoning is involved.
00:07:12.000 I like it when churches hold firm on it.
00:07:14.000 So yeah.
00:07:15.000 And then, and the other thing I want to add is that she also had an affair, which was a big part of this.
00:07:21.000 I think it was like the handyman.
00:07:23.000 And he actually testified at the trial about the affair.
00:07:30.000 And there's sort of like she had this real estate firm, like a house flipping kind of deal.
00:07:37.000 And that's where they had the affair.
00:07:38.000 But then also the husband from this wealthier family had a construction firm that was very successful.
00:07:46.000 And what came out was that she had been stealing money from his construction firm to try to shore up her company because, of course, she's got to be girl boss. 0.94
00:07:58.000 And that, you know, eventually it was caught.
00:08:01.000 And when it was caught, he didn't leave her, the husband, Eric, that he instead, you know, sort of did what he could to get the money back, wrote her out, and that then he wrote her out of the will.
00:08:12.000 So he like, like, wrote her out of this trust that they had a bunch of things in.
00:08:16.000 So that's what prompted her to then take this next level of taking out these life insurance and then making herself the beneficiary. 0.93
00:08:24.000 But I just want to add that she forged his signature and that came out at court as well, that she forged his signature and basically committed identity fraud of her own spouse.
00:08:37.000 Yeah, well, instead of just us joining on about it, we actually, our team did find several clips of Corey Richards on the book tour circuit.
00:08:47.000 Just like shamelessly, I guess we got to take a look at this.
00:08:50.000 Let's do clip one. 1.00
00:08:52.000 You know, we kind of, my kids and I kind of wrote this book on the different emotions and grieving processes that we've experienced last year and, you know, hoping that it can kind of help other kids.
00:09:05.000 I'm new to all of this, so kind of doing all, you know, research and reading books and things to try and understand, you know, not only how to grieve as a widow, as a wife, but also, you know, with my kids, how to help them, how to help them understand what just happened.
00:09:22.000 And the three C's is how I has visualize it.
00:09:25.000 And it's connection, continuity, and care.
00:09:28.000 Making sure connection is the one major one and making sure that their spirit is always alive in your home, you know, and memories are always brought up and doing things that your loved ones love to do, whether it's riding bikes or their favorite dinner and just constantly, you know, talking about them.
00:09:45.000 Explaining to my kids, just because he's not present here with us physically, that doesn't mean his presence isn't here with us.
00:09:52.000 He's, you know, here for birthdays and he's here for Christmas.
00:09:55.000 And, you know, and it's just comforting to them to know that, you know, they're not living this life alone.
00:10:02.000 So do you guys convict just off that?
00:10:05.000 Pretty much, yeah.
00:10:06.000 Yeah.
00:10:06.000 Yeah.
00:10:07.000 Did something, did that, I'm trying to actually think in my head, did something seem off there?
00:10:12.000 Or do I just think something seems off because I know what came out later?
00:10:16.000 Yeah, I just don't, I don't understand how you think you get away with something like that.
00:10:21.000 Like so she, I definitely went down the rabbit hole on this one a couple nights ago.
00:10:29.000 And she, what she was doing was she, I guess he, her husband would make these trips in Mexico.
00:10:34.000 And I think it was like a hunting trip and different things.
00:10:38.000 And she was trying to say that he had picked up a like a like a drug habit while he was down in Mexico.
00:10:46.000 And so the way she was trying to get away with it was to say, oh, he had this drug habit, but actually he, you know, it got the better of him.
00:10:54.000 It turned into an addiction.
00:10:56.000 And then he accidentally overdosed.
00:11:00.000 And so she was trying to say that it was an accident.
00:11:02.000 And my gosh, because they started pulling up her like Google searches, just regular Google search, like not even anything hidden yet.
00:11:15.000 And I mean, she had been using Google to search all this stuff.
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00:12:17.000 Oh, that's crazy.
00:12:18.000 She tried to poison him with a sandwich a few weeks before and it failed.
00:12:23.000 And so this was her second, she did it twice.
00:12:27.000 Yeah, she tried once. 0.71
00:12:28.000 And so she gets the fentanyl from she gets the fentanyl from her housekeeper and she called it the Michael Jackson drugs.
00:12:36.000 And she told the housekeeper who also testified against her, was like, look, I didn't know that.
00:12:42.000 She was like, I didn't know that I was getting this for murder.
00:12:46.000 I thought it was getting for her.
00:12:48.000 And she tried it the first time with this sandwich, this bagel sandwich.
00:12:53.000 And I guess he got sick.
00:12:54.000 He got a rash and he had a very strong reaction, but didn't die.
00:12:59.000 And detectives later found that he told his sister that he thought his wife was trying to kill him.
00:13:07.000 And they brought that up, that he had actually suspected that.
00:13:10.000 So, you know, maybe that should be one of the questions here: is that, you know, if you think your wife is trying to kill you, are you really going to continue accepting food from her?
00:13:20.000 Because unfortunately, I don't mean laugh, but it's, it's, because it's disgusting that he continued to.
00:13:27.000 She then got more drugs, put it in a Moscow mule, and that was the one that, you know, what's like more concerning than anything about this story is the fact that like the housekeeper, who I'm assuming is Hispanic, just was like, yeah, I can, of course, get fentanyl. 0.72
00:13:45.000 Like, what?
00:13:47.000 Like, you know, little Maria over there that doesn't speak a word of English. 1.00
00:13:50.000 Utah, you know, you can't get a drink at the bar, but you can apparently find fentanyl pretty quickly.
00:13:57.000 That's, that's an interesting, that's an interesting factoid in Utah.
00:14:03.000 Yeah, is this, so what's the, what's going on with the, so the scout, so she's cheating on him, she did identity theft, and it didn't take long for the jury to like come back with a ruling, right?
00:14:14.000 It was like pretty immediate.
00:14:16.000 Three hours before a capital case.
00:14:18.000 Three hours after not, and so this is, you know, kind of, it gets at since we'll be talking a lot about the Utah court system, the way some of these things can really drag out.
00:14:29.000 So the death occurred in 22.
00:14:31.000 She publishes her book in 23.
00:14:34.000 She gets indicted around then as well.
00:14:36.000 It takes three years for this case to actually go to trial.
00:14:41.000 Once it's actually on trial, the defense does not actually offer, it calls no witnesses.
00:14:46.000 They rest immediately.
00:14:47.000 So there's only the prosecution case.
00:14:49.000 Defense just instant rests.
00:14:51.000 And then a few hours of deliberation and the verdict is delivered.
00:14:55.000 And I'll admit, I find myself wondering, did they really need three years to get to this point?
00:15:02.000 No.
00:15:02.000 And I kind of suspect no.
00:15:04.000 And that gets at, as we know, why a lot of people get really frustrated with our legal system.
00:15:09.000 I don't think three-year murder trial processes were a common thing that we had 100 years ago.
00:15:17.000 Nope.
00:15:17.000 I totally agree.
00:15:19.000 But on the other hand, I do find myself impressed when you lay out all the evidence, the way they're getting, oh, well, the housekeeper said this.
00:15:25.000 And actually, we know everything her husband was telling people and why he thought he was getting sick and all of her web searches.
00:15:33.000 Wait, did he suspect?
00:15:33.000 I am happy.
00:15:37.000 Well, as Tyler said, I think he must not have suspected too much or he probably would have avoided continuing to consume things unless he had a death wish, too.
00:15:45.000 I mean, imagine that.
00:15:47.000 You're married to a wife and keeps trying to do it. 0.67
00:15:49.000 The detective said that he told his sister that he thought it was from his wife because I guess she made him the sandwich.
00:15:55.000 I mean, there had to be some level of that, you know?
00:15:59.000 Maybe, maybe, like, did he think maybe his wife just oopsa-daisy-drugged him?
00:16:03.000 Like, maybe she, maybe he thought she had a drug problem.
00:16:06.000 Maybe there was a really weird.
00:16:09.000 So, I'll just say this: that I saw a video after this where I guess it was from the day of his celebration of life, where, and they have three little boys.
00:16:23.000 I don't know if we said that, but they have three little boys at home, where it's the wife, the widow at this point, the murderous, and a bunch of his friends.
00:16:33.000 And they're like shotgunning beers in the kitchen, and the kids are around.
00:16:39.000 And the, you know, there just doesn't seem to be any, you know, remorse, certainly no remorse on her part, but also just it, it seems like it was a very party atmosphere kind of thing.
00:16:51.000 It seems that drinking was something that was extremely prevalent in the household.
00:16:58.000 And so, you know, to say that, oh, maybe she was trying to kill me. 0.96
00:17:02.000 I mean, I don't know.
00:17:03.000 I don't know.
00:17:05.000 It's just a little too, you know, a little too on the nose, I guess.
00:17:09.000 But at the same time, I don't know if we have that video.
00:17:11.000 It's just absolutely wild.
00:17:13.000 And I would like, I know we have a little bit.
00:17:16.000 Maybe we can, guys, what do you want to do?
00:17:18.000 Do you, I'd love to play the body cam because we have footage of this.
00:17:22.000 Let's play the whole thing.
00:17:23.000 We have like two minutes of it, but we can leave the mics open maybe, and just comment, because we have the body cam of the police arriving and we now know in retrospect that she's, you know, acting for the cameras and I think this is just just very, very interesting.
00:17:41.000 What do you say?
00:17:42.000 It's uh, clip six.
00:17:44.000 He's had two Epi's in our pan.
00:17:49.000 Two Epi's in our pan, blood sugar is 450 pounds.
00:17:56.000 Pam, do you want to come out here?
00:18:01.000 No history.
00:18:02.000 We have just been tested today.
00:18:06.000 What's your first name?
00:18:07.000 What's your first name?
00:18:12.000 Let's let them do their work in there. 1.00
00:18:15.000 What happened today when we, when you say we were fine what what, what time did you see him when he was alert?
00:18:31.000 We had a drink together at nine to celebrate something at work tomorrow.
00:18:37.000 Okay, we went to bed.
00:18:40.000 We went to bed with my kids.
00:18:42.000 We went to bed, our bed.
00:18:44.000 What time did you guys go to bed?
00:18:47.000 9 30 9 30 okay 9 45, and then what what uh, what allerged you to him today?
00:18:55.000 Right now, I just woke up.
00:18:58.000 I, when I sleep with my kids, wake up and I go back to my own bed.
00:19:04.000 I just crawled over on his side And he was laying in bed.
00:19:12.000 He was on his back on the bed and I didn't.
00:19:16.000 Okay.
00:19:17.000 And he was on, you said he was on his back?
00:19:21.000 Okay.
00:19:22.000 Where are your children now?
00:19:26.000 Don't you sleep in that room?
00:19:28.000 Two are awake with their ear to the door.
00:19:31.000 Yikes.
00:19:33.000 It's creepy.
00:19:35.000 That's what I mean.
00:19:36.000 And you hear the police officer.
00:19:38.000 He's professional.
00:19:40.000 He's asking questions.
00:19:41.000 I mean, obviously he's dealing with something horrible, but.
00:19:44.000 So she said that they had a drink the night before, and then he didn't wake up.
00:19:48.000 And that drink was the one she poisoned. 0.71
00:19:50.000 Yeah?
00:19:51.000 Yes.
00:19:52.000 And she also, at one point in the trial, they introduced a journal.
00:19:56.000 So I guess she was, she did journaling.
00:19:58.000 And this was also written in the journal that we had a drink tonight.
00:20:04.000 I guess you wrote the journal after they had the drinks.
00:20:08.000 And then we went to bed.
00:20:10.000 So, you know, thinking that, and then it's the next day that they, or I guess, you know, later that night where they have this scene.
00:20:18.000 So, I mean, it's just the fact of the matter is, and here's the reason this case matters, I guess, because there's so much evidence of guilt.
00:20:28.000 Not only the Google searches, but also there was a letter that she wrote from jail.
00:20:35.000 Blake, did you see this part?
00:20:36.000 I did not.
00:20:37.000 Letter she wrote from jail.
00:20:38.000 There's like so many weird layers to this.
00:20:40.000 It's like this entire case was invented to be a podcast for like Daisy to listen to.
00:20:45.000 Yeah, literally.
00:20:45.000 So she wrote a letter from jail like to her mother.
00:20:48.000 And I think her mother is actually retained counsel now because this is just so ridiculous, where she was instructing her mother on what to say to police or, you know, and to officials if they ever respond, you know, if they ever came up to her.
00:21:04.000 And the mother apparently like went along with it. 0.77
00:21:08.000 Like it's, it's, it's, it's the craziest thing that you, you cannot get away with crime and then leave all this evidence of your crime laying around for prosecutors to find.
00:21:21.000 And that's the key here.
00:21:23.000 And we're very lucky.
00:21:25.000 We're genuinely very lucky that criminal behavior is disgusting and evil and like it makes you lose your right to live, honestly, like your right to exist.
00:21:33.000 Wait, we should probably, this is something we should mention is, oh, do we found, do we have that video?
00:21:42.000 Yeah, so I want to hit this video, but there was like no defense.
00:21:45.000 Like they didn't even put up any defense.
00:21:47.000 We'll talk more about that in a second.
00:21:48.000 But there was like, when you get to the point in the trial, usually, so you have the, you have the prosecution side, then you have the defense side, then the prosecution rests, then the defense goes and kind of presents their counter case and they call some witnesses and they do what they can to present their, you know, walk you through their version of events.
00:22:05.000 Their defense never even did that.
00:22:06.000 They just said, no witnesses and we're not presenting a defense.
00:22:10.000 And we didn't mention that.
00:22:12.000 But I do think.
00:22:12.000 Yeah.
00:22:14.000 And they said, they said, you know, prosecution didn't make their case, so we're good to go.
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00:23:27.000 Let's play clip 21.
00:23:28.000 That's the one I was just talking about.
00:23:34.000 I'm back in the corner.
00:23:35.000 There we go.
00:23:36.000 Richard.
00:23:44.000 Gratured Look, Chachi said, Ron's trying to talk about sexy audience.
00:23:53.000 You're an Afghanistan warrior.
00:23:59.000 You are an Afghanistan warrior.
00:24:03.000 What are we watching there?
00:24:05.000 So, yeah, so I don't drink personally.
00:24:08.000 So I don't know what Normie Cole, like I don't understand Normie culture at all, but like take the case out of it, even regardless of what the context is here.
00:24:21.000 I just think that kind of behavior around children is a little bit, a little bit, a little bit off.
00:24:24.000 Like I don't think that's appropriate around kids.
00:24:26.000 I really don't.
00:24:31.000 Like if you're drinking a beer around a kid and you're in a cup or a bottle or something, like that's one thing.
00:24:37.000 But this like binging, binge drinking in front of children is this whole story is thought crime.
00:24:45.000 Binge drinking in front of children is not okay.
00:24:46.000 No, no, the thought.
00:24:47.000 No, ultimately, the reason we had to talk about this is because she was having an affair in addition to all her other reasons for this crime. 0.97
00:24:53.000 So it is quite literally a thought crime.
00:24:55.000 Is the guy she's having an affair with in the in that video?
00:24:59.000 That I don't know.
00:25:00.000 That I don't know.
00:25:00.000 What were you going to say, Tom?
00:25:01.000 He's the handyman.
00:25:02.000 No, I think you bring up a good point, Jack, is that the idea of, I think that American culture in general was far more covert, I guess, in family settings of like not, like, I've noticed this, especially in like group settings, is that you'll have parties or like, you know, type like block party type things, and they'll have like kind of a table that just has a bunch of alcohol at it.
00:25:28.000 And I feel like that isn't the way that things used to operate.
00:25:31.000 I feel like like early, earlier in American culture, even when we were growing up, it was, you never saw anything like that.
00:25:38.000 It was like, oh, you know, of course a dad or mom would be, you know, might have a beer or something, but they would pour into a cup.
00:25:46.000 And like, that was the concept of the red solo cup.
00:25:48.000 So it's like you would pour it and like you would, you would drink it and just kind of be on your own, not just kind of like out there, you know, hard liquor, things like that, especially with all of the different types of, you know, alcohol and different things that are out there now.
00:26:05.000 It's just, I think there's just like a looseness around that.
00:26:09.000 And then you add on top of that, again, just weed culture.
00:26:12.000 And I think this is part of the thing, you know, that we talked about with weed culture is that it just is so open.
00:26:18.000 And it's where people are kind of like, they make it their persona and it's a big deal to their life.
00:26:23.000 And drinking to a certain extent, like people kind of feel that way too.
00:26:28.000 And I just don't think that that, I think that's escalated dramatically over the last number of years.
00:26:32.000 And it's not healthy, particularly around the world.
00:26:35.000 Well, and you know why that is?
00:26:37.000 It's the extended adolescence.
00:26:38.000 It's because you have so many, you know, millennials, elder millennials are having kids now, but they haven't matured themselves to the point where they assume that, you know, the responsibilities of adulthood.
00:26:52.000 And they were like, oh, I'm friends with my kids.
00:26:54.000 And I want to be the cool dad and the cool mom.
00:26:57.000 And you know, like those are going to be the ones that allow their kids to have alcohol, allow them to have access to alcohol and all the rest.
00:27:04.000 And it's this extended adolescence that's killing everybody.
00:27:08.000 I think it's leading to a lot of problems.
00:27:10.000 I think it's horrible.
00:27:10.000 I think it's killing our country.
00:27:13.000 And it's something that I see with so many, you know, so many guys, 30s and 40s right now, where they're still just running around acting like children all the time.
00:27:22.000 And as far as that video, I'm looking at the picture of the guy who, so the guy who testified against her does kind of look like one of the guys in the video because he's got a red beard.
00:27:31.000 He's thinner now than the one in the video.
00:27:34.000 So I can't tell for sure if that's him.
00:27:36.000 Drinking culture makes you fat.
00:27:38.000 Because he's got that issue.
00:27:40.000 Drinking.
00:27:40.000 I want to get to Cesar Chavez.
00:27:43.000 That's what I want to get to because Cesar Chavez was super based on immigration. 0.90
00:27:47.000 Well, we don't want to be bragging about that, Andrew.
00:27:49.000 We can't be doing that.
00:27:50.000 Hold on.
00:27:51.000 We have to close this out.
00:27:52.000 I have mixed opinions about Cesar Chavez, obviously.
00:27:55.000 Before we get to that, we have to do the final plot twist judo flip here.
00:28:00.000 No, no, no, no.
00:28:01.000 I'm a fan of his immigration, anti-illegal immigration, anti-flooding the country with Hispanic illegals because he didn't want them to undercut the wages of the union workers. 0.98
00:28:13.000 Now, some of his other extracurriculars, obviously, Blake, take it away.
00:28:17.000 Hold on.
00:28:17.000 We have to get the final judo flip on this topic here.
00:28:22.000 Okay.
00:28:23.000 Fine.
00:28:24.000 Jack, Jack, we have to get the final note of notes.
00:28:27.000 Of course, we do.
00:28:27.000 In this case, real quick.
00:28:29.000 The reason that the case hits home for a lot of us, not just because it was in Utah, but because of one.
00:28:39.000 So I mentioned the defense in this case, which didn't exist.
00:28:42.000 I mentioned how the evidence was completely stacked against this woman, Corey Richens.
00:28:49.000 And I just feel so terrible for those children, by the way, to grow up without really a mom and a dad now at this point.
00:28:56.000 And the fact that the lawyer for the defense in this was Kathy Nestor and is Kathy Nestor.
00:29:04.000 And Kathy Nestor is also one of the lead state-appointed defense attorneys for Tyler Robinson.
00:29:13.000 And I'll just say this: that Kathy Nestor did not garner a strong reputation for herself when she was in court during this.
00:29:28.000 And I think a lot of people have pointed that out and could be something that we're going to preview pretty soon here.
00:29:36.000 I'm actually glad you did that.
00:29:37.000 That's fascinating.
00:29:38.000 Offense comes.
00:29:40.000 That's the big thing.
00:29:42.000 So what we're seeing here is potentially the style.
00:29:45.000 Now, it could be different, totally, totally could be different.
00:29:48.000 So this is the public defender.
00:29:51.000 Utah's a small state.
00:29:53.000 And the fact is that when you have these capital cases, there's only so many people that are available to be able to handle one of these cases.
00:30:01.000 And Kathy Nestor happens to be the same one in these two extremely high-profile cases, one of which obviously we don't have any connection to, but one of which we all have this connection to.
00:30:12.000 And so just to understand that this is what we're going to see.
00:30:16.000 So the same, not to go into all of it, but the same type of delay tactics that we've seen so far, trying to get rid of the prosecutor, trying to do all this other stuff, rather than actually discuss the evidence, trying to get cameras out of the courtroom, trying to block evidence or discussions of evidence in the courtroom.
00:30:34.000 That's all coming from the same Kathy Nestor who ran the defense for Hori Richens.
00:30:41.000 All righty.
00:30:42.000 So now we can talk about how you think Cesar Chavez is really based, Andrew, which you got to be careful.
00:30:48.000 Hold on.
00:30:49.000 You got to be careful about Cesar Chavez's based, Andrew, because Cesar Chavez. 0.95
00:30:56.000 I'm just saying he was, I think it's a, I get a crack up every time the left lifts up this guy like he was some civil rights icon, and then you find out, oh, he was beating the crap out of illegal immigrants so that they would get the hell out of America. 0.98
00:31:12.000 Andrew, Andrew, we just got to pause ourselves here. 0.99
00:31:14.000 We should not, we don't need to highlight the reasons that Cesar Chavez is based if we can highlight the reasons that Cesar Chavez, left-wing hero, is a rapist. 0.80
00:31:22.000 Which is what the big news is today. 0.88
00:31:24.000 I mean, I'm not laughing at that, but I see.
00:31:26.000 For those who have not seen it, we should explain what we're getting at here.
00:31:30.000 It's been coming out over the last few years.
00:31:31.000 What are you talking about?
00:31:32.000 But the New York Times has a mammoth story this morning.
00:31:37.000 Cesar Chavez, civil rights icon, is accused of abusing girls for years.
00:31:41.000 This feels like a blast from the past.
00:31:43.000 I feel like we got.
00:31:44.000 This isn't the same Cesar Chavez that like Barack Obama has been constantly holding up that like every single Democrat, like major Democrat talks about for all for all these years.
00:31:55.000 Yeah, or the same Cesar Chavez that has a holiday here in Phoenix.
00:31:55.000 Yeah.
00:32:00.000 Government offices will be closed on March 31st for Cesar Chavez Day.
00:32:04.000 Some schools will get a day off.
00:32:07.000 Tucson schools will have a day off.
00:32:08.000 Actually, I have no idea if that's a weekend date or not.
00:32:11.000 It is a Tuesday.
00:32:12.000 Yeah, they'll be closed in Tucson to honor this guy.
00:32:15.000 And I mean, we've got it right here in the New York Times.
00:32:22.000 The New York Times has covered extensive evidence to support accusations from a whole bunch of women. 1.00
00:32:28.000 And this is that Cesar Chavez was reportedly grooming and abusing girls as young as age 12.
00:32:35.000 The story opens with a very lurid account.
00:32:39.000 The man, Cesar Chavez, was one of the most revered figures in the Latino civil rights movement.
00:32:43.000 He was 45.
00:32:44.000 She, Anna Marguia, was 13.
00:32:48.000 She says she was summoned for sexual encounters with him dozens of times over the next four years.
00:32:55.000 And when she turns 18, he stops.
00:33:00.000 Yeah, it's like ascended Leonardo DiCaprio syndrome.
00:33:04.000 Well, hold on.
00:33:05.000 Yeah, actually, I feel unfair saying that because Leo DiCaprio, he just dates 20-something women.
00:33:09.000 But like, literally, yeah, cutting them loose.
00:33:11.000 That's a whole different dumps women when they turn before they turn 30. 1.00
00:33:15.000 Like, that's like his big thing.
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00:34:33.000 Yeah, so I mean, I've been looking.
00:34:35.000 We've got right here in Arizona, here's everything in Arizona named after Cesar Chavez.
00:34:42.000 We have Cesar Chavez Community Center in Levine.
00:34:45.000 We have Cesar Chavez Plaza in downtown Phoenix.
00:34:48.000 Cesar Chavez Community School.
00:34:48.000 Caesar Elementary School.
00:34:50.000 Cesar Chavez Elementary School.
00:34:51.000 Cesar Chavez building on the University of Arizona campus, Tucson, Cesar Chavez Boulevard.
00:34:56.000 A ceremonial street sign in South Phoenix, Cesar Chavez Cultural Center in San Luis, Cesar Chavez Drive in El Mirage, Hardin Cesar Chavez in Tucson, and a bunch of others.
00:35:07.000 And I mean, infinity of those in California.
00:35:10.000 I think there's a very major street they named after Cesar Chavez in Los Angeles.
00:35:15.000 I know there's been serious push in the past to have Cesar Chavez make it a literal national holiday so that they can have the Latino holiday in addition to MLK Day.
00:35:25.000 Well, so that's what I think is driving a lot of this.
00:35:27.000 Is I think there's like a need because you had like MLK for the black community.
00:35:31.000 You have like a bunch of MLK, uh, black, you know, heroes.
00:35:35.000 There's not a ton of Hispanic ones.
00:35:38.000 And so I think that's like the drive here is actually just to appoint somebody from the Hispanic community.
00:35:45.000 And is listen, I can say this without being racist because I'm quarter Mexican.
00:35:49.000 Okay.
00:35:50.000 Wait, I was going to say, like, what do you mean we have two heroes from the Hispanic community?
00:35:55.000 Andrew, you're sitting right there.
00:35:57.000 Yeah.
00:35:57.000 Andrew, how much do you look up to Cesar Chavez?
00:36:00.000 Like, growing up, did you write essays for school about how you wanted his immigration hardline position?
00:36:08.000 Although I don't advocate for beating up illegals, was very based. 0.86
00:36:14.000 And that's all I'm going to say.
00:36:16.000 No beating up illegals unless they attack cops. 1.00
00:36:20.000 But he did not want him. 0.93
00:36:22.000 And I always find that hypocritical position with the modern left that's like open borders to just be so laughable. 0.98
00:36:29.000 Every time they celebrate Cesar Chavez and lift him up, I'm always like, you know, he just like beat the crap out of illegals, right? 1.00
00:36:35.000 He didn't want them lowering the wages for Americans.
00:36:37.000 And you kind of think about this with Bernie Sanders.
00:36:39.000 Bernie Sanders used to be really tough on the border, and that kind of changed.
00:36:44.000 But we see that from Chuck Schumer, Hillary Clinton, like normies. 1.00
00:36:48.000 So Cesar Chavez is a great reminder of the hypocrisy of the modern Democrat Party.
00:36:52.000 So for that, he's useful.
00:36:55.000 So Blake, can you walk us through?
00:36:57.000 Because before we just laugh at the left, can you walk us through a little bit of just how is it that this story broke?
00:37:04.000 I mean, this is obviously something from a long time ago.
00:37:06.000 What's the, you know, what's the story of the story here?
00:37:09.000 Well, so I think I'd have to revisit because I know this is bubbling up in a few places, but the New York Times story dropped this morning, but I know people were already complaining about him a few days ago.
00:37:20.000 So I think what's really been going on is there have been women who have been starting to talk more.
00:37:27.000 And so I think the word was getting around that a lot was going to drop.
00:37:30.000 And the New York Times was pretty disciplined about it.
00:37:34.000 They cite two women, Miss Margua, and another woman, Deborah Rojas.
00:37:39.000 And they're talking about getting abused in the 70s when he was in his 40s and they were teenagers.
00:37:45.000 An investigation by the New York Times has uncovered extensive evidence for their stuff.
00:37:50.000 I believe they literally say they say somewhere in this article how many it was, but it's like a very large number.
00:37:58.000 And it just seems like a lot of people knew about it.
00:38:02.000 And like they just started talking about it.
00:38:04.000 I think, honestly, because of the ramping up in efforts to officially memorialize Chavez, that seems to have driven a lot of them to finally say something.
00:38:14.000 Great.
00:38:15.000 And so I'm looking at it right now.
00:38:19.000 It says one of them actually was Dolora Suerta.
00:38:22.000 And she was like his, that was like his public partner in United Farm Workers in UFW.
00:38:30.000 So, I mean, this is not someone who is just sort of a random, you know, random person.
00:38:37.000 This is exactly, you know, like his public co-founder of UFW.
00:38:43.000 She's 96.
00:38:44.000 And she's saying, yeah, she is publicly stating that he raped her multiple times in the 1960s, claims that both resulted in pregnancies.
00:38:55.000 She kept them secret.
00:38:56.000 She arranged for the children to be raised by under other families.
00:39:00.000 And she claimed that they were forced acts.
00:39:03.000 Then there's another, there's other women who came out and said that the abuse began around age 12 or 13 and included a rape at age 15 in the 1970s.
00:39:15.000 So, yeah, it's to your point that these women are now, because it's been so many years later, that some of them, I think, like for Dollar Suerta, that she's, you know, she's 96.
00:39:25.000 She's probably thinking that Papa doesn't have that much time left and wanted to, you know, wanted to come public with this to really correct the record.
00:39:34.000 Yeah.
00:39:35.000 It's like all the left-wing stars have fallen.
00:39:39.000 First, it was Harvey Milk.
00:39:41.000 Now it's Cesar Chavez.
00:39:44.000 I mean, you know, he was in his 40s, by the way, and groomed and repeatedly molested Anna Maguia.
00:39:52.000 Murguia.
00:39:53.000 Can't even say it. 0.97
00:39:54.000 Starting at age 13, continued at 17, and molested, then raped Deborah Rojas, groped at 12, raped at 15 while a virgin at UFW sites. 0.99
00:40:03.000 That's crazy. 0.97
00:40:04.000 Yeah, like literally like he's doing one of his marches.
00:40:07.000 Like, I guess he would have, he had a week-long march across California, and he was having this 15-year-old stay in his motel room during the march.
00:40:17.000 Like, he just has his side chicks.
00:40:19.000 They're literally underage teenagers.
00:40:22.000 Even at the time, like, often, you know, the excuse you'll always get, oh, it was an earlier time.
00:40:26.000 But, like, no, everyone would think this was incredibly disturbing, even in the 70s when this was taking place.
00:40:33.000 And it seems, oh, yeah, yeah.
00:40:35.000 The New York Times, they interviewed more than 60 people, including his top aides, to get to the bottom of this story.
00:40:41.000 Yeah, this is a very widely corroborated story.
00:40:46.000 Over 60-plus interviews, union documents, photos prompted immediate cancellation of Chavez Day events and honors.
00:40:54.000 So the dude's fallen from, you know, what's interesting, though, is like once you get to the saint level within the Democrat sort of progressive hierarchy of heroes, even allegations of sexual misconduct are not necessarily enough to bring you down, right?
00:41:13.000 So like MLK, there's allegations that he raped women and the FBI wiretapped him.
00:41:19.000 He had a different woman in every city he would go to for all these marches.
00:41:24.000 He had women in Vegas. 0.80
00:41:25.000 He had women in LA.
00:41:26.000 He had women in Boston, women in Florida. 0.78
00:41:29.000 And at least on one occasion, right, he, the allegation was a rape allegation, I believe, for forced sexual assault.
00:41:36.000 I think it was that he was in the room.
00:41:38.000 Yeah, the claim is the claim from the FBI who wrote an FBI write-up because they were recording King.
00:41:44.000 And the claim was that he was in a room with a bunch of pastors and some women, and that one of the pastors like sexually assaults a woman in the room.
00:41:53.000 And King is like watching and laughing.
00:41:56.000 That's such an odd description that I do wonder what literally would have been happening.
00:42:01.000 Supposedly, this stuff still could be released.
00:42:04.000 They keep delaying the release of it, but I don't know.
00:42:08.000 I'm in favor of transparency on public figures.
00:42:12.000 But man, we really dodged a bullet on this one.
00:42:14.000 I'm looking now.
00:42:15.000 I remembered this story from a decade ago.
00:42:17.000 There was an NPR story.
00:42:19.000 Cesar Chavez, the next Catholic saint.
00:42:22.000 I'm really glad they didn't go down that, go down that route.
00:42:25.000 Sign of the intervention of stuff with him.
00:42:28.000 Oh, that's an interesting question.
00:42:29.000 Okay.
00:42:30.000 So what if they make a saint out of Cesar Chavez, right? 0.97
00:42:33.000 But then they find out like a few years later that he was actually a rapist and a pedophile, too. 0.88
00:42:40.000 What happens then?
00:42:41.000 Can you like desanctify or does the church never get it wrong?
00:42:45.000 I don't really think you can undo it.
00:42:47.000 Like it's supposed to be dude.
00:42:49.000 So Andrew, that, like, that process.
00:42:49.000 So no.
00:42:52.000 So like, take a look at Fulton Sheen right now.
00:42:54.000 So, Fulton Cheen is someone who's up for sainthood, even though he passed away, I don't know, gosh, 50, 60 years ago.
00:43:02.000 That is all stuff that would come out during the canonization process.
00:43:08.000 Not if these women hadn't have come out with it. 1.00
00:43:11.000 No, but I'm saying that it is not something that is quick, is what I'm trying to say.
00:43:18.000 For the vast majority of people, Carlo Arcutis, you know, some people, it has moved John Paul II obviously has moved a little faster.
00:43:25.000 But for the vast majority of people who become canonized, it is an extremely laborious process where they do investigate all sorts of things like this or whether or not they were associated with anything.
00:43:39.000 I'm just saying, what if they weren't known?
00:43:41.000 They really dialed that back.
00:43:44.000 That was a criticism of, I believe, John Paul II.
00:43:46.000 He got, they used to have a position called, I think, literally the devil's advocate, and he would argue against the sainthood of somebody for that reason.
00:43:53.000 But that's part of the process.
00:43:55.000 But no, I believe John Paul II got rid of it.
00:43:57.000 And so we have a lot more saints getting made now.
00:44:00.000 And that's one reason you now, the one like the Pope will go to Japan and he'll just have like, here's 40 new saints because like they've streamlined the process and like Mother Teresa became a saint faster than usual.
00:44:14.000 France has changed a lot.
00:44:15.000 France has changed a lot, to say the least.
00:44:15.000 All right.
00:44:17.000 But one of the reasons that the traditional process is what I'm speaking of is so laborious.
00:44:22.000 Just one example of that is that there's currently only one male saint for the entire history of the United States of America.
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00:45:43.000 I'm just saying, what if you didn't know?
00:45:45.000 What if this Dolores or whatever gal's name is didn't speak up at 96 years old and you'd already made him a saint?
00:45:52.000 Is there a process for rolling it back?
00:45:56.000 So, I mean, I'm sure, I'm certain there'd be a process.
00:45:59.000 I'm just saying that it would be has it ever happened before?
00:46:02.000 There have never been sanctified.
00:46:04.000 There have sort of been saints where they've been saints where they have kind of stopped encouraging the celebration of them.
00:46:12.000 Yes.
00:46:12.000 But like as an example, there used to be medieval saints who would be child saints.
00:46:17.000 And the reason they were a saint was, this is awkward to say, but I'm not making this up, is they were children who were allegedly abducted and murdered by Jews.
00:46:26.000 And so those were saints that they had in the Middle Ages.
00:46:29.000 Unfortunately, there was a lot of anti-Semitism in the past.
00:46:32.000 Martin of Tours?
00:46:33.000 Over time.
00:46:34.000 I think Martin of Tours is like that.
00:46:36.000 There's definitely, I think there was one from the UK, I think like in Lincoln.
00:46:42.000 Yeah, Little St. Hugh of Lincoln.
00:46:44.000 That was from the 1200s.
00:46:45.000 So like, you know, alleged martyrs, where today we would say they were probably not martyred for their faith.
00:46:52.000 And I think if you wanted to take an edge case, you could say we could still say they're a saint because a saint really is just anyone who's in heaven and an innocent child who dies.
00:47:01.000 And we have every reason to believe they were innocent and pious.
00:47:04.000 No, wait, no, it's not.
00:47:04.000 It's not Martin of Tours.
00:47:06.000 I had that wrong.
00:47:07.000 There's a Martin.
00:47:08.000 Saint Hugh of Lincoln is definitely one.
00:47:09.000 But there's a lot of these.
00:47:11.000 And so you could still say they're still presumably a saint.
00:47:15.000 There is no reason to believe that they would be damned.
00:47:17.000 But they're probably not, we probably don't want to memorialize them because the reason for them being memorialized as a martyr was mistaken.
00:47:24.000 But we should be honest.
00:47:26.000 Like it is a real concern.
00:47:28.000 There was, I forget his name.
00:47:29.000 There was kind of a Simon of Trent.
00:47:32.000 Simon of Trent.
00:47:33.000 I was totally.
00:47:34.000 There was a Mexican founder of a religious order.
00:47:37.000 I think was it Legionaries of Christ, I think, where the founder of that group, after he died, there was a lot of agitation.
00:47:44.000 Oh, he should be a saint.
00:47:45.000 And then it also quickly came out that he had like a mistress of some kind.
00:47:49.000 And I believe he was a priest.
00:47:52.000 And so that is a reason to be careful with these things.
00:47:55.000 That is why we are very lucky they did not rush down the Cesar Chavez route or the route for the sainthood route for a lot of other people.
00:48:02.000 And as for the rest, we put our trust in the Holy Spirit, I suppose.
00:48:07.000 So according to Grock, according to Grock, that the Catholic Church has never formally decanonized a saint.
00:48:15.000 I was going to say, I haven't heard it, but the Russian Orthodox Church has, though.
00:48:19.000 And then it mentions, I could check, I don't know.
00:48:21.000 No, I looked it up.
00:48:23.000 And it says that, yeah, it's talking about how different feast days and different individuals have been, you know, downgraded and sort of the celebration of that saint has been downgraded.
00:48:36.000 But, you know, and it's, it's, and in those cases, it's, it's really more due to things like, you know, not being able to verify certain things about their life.
00:48:47.000 Like St. Valentine is a classic example of this, where St. Valentine, we all know Valentine's Day, St. Valentine's Day, but, you know, details of the actual Valentine's life are very, very spotty.
00:49:01.000 It's just not very well documented the way that the church would normally like for a saint.
00:49:06.000 So obviously we all celebrate St. Valentine's Day, you know, sort of in the culture, but it's not really emphasized in the church.
00:49:13.000 So be careful who you canonize, Catholics. 1.00
00:49:16.000 Yeah, be careful.
00:49:17.000 I mean, but will you?
00:49:20.000 We should remind everyone: remember yes, we can, the Obama line?
00:49:23.000 Well, if you're yelling, you don't.
00:49:24.000 But anyone who's my age or older, they remember yes, we can.
00:49:27.000 That is from Cesar Chavez.
00:49:29.000 That was kind of a literal.
00:49:29.000 Si se puede.
00:49:30.000 Si se puede.
00:49:32.000 And oh, wait.
00:49:33.000 No, I was a little bit right, by the way, because St. Martin of Tours was considered for removal of his feast day, but ultimately did remain as his maintain his feast.
00:49:43.000 I knew there was something about Martin Tours, but he wasn't a child saint.
00:49:46.000 I don't know.
00:49:47.000 So, okay, maybe there's whether they can get rid of a saint.
00:49:50.000 Can the left get rid of a saint?
00:49:51.000 Well, they definitely tear down people while alive.
00:49:52.000 Actually, can we get the left can get rid of saints?
00:49:55.000 Here's the easier thing.
00:49:56.000 Can we get his name peeled off of elementary school and a high school, public high school?
00:50:01.000 We should demand that people, we should ask.
00:50:02.000 We're literally in Phoenix.
00:50:04.000 We should just demand that people go into the next city council meeting to demand this.
00:50:06.000 Yes, this should be easy.
00:50:08.000 Wait, so I was doing this on turning point action.
00:50:11.000 New Cause du Jour.
00:50:12.000 Love it.
00:50:13.000 Like, what was Blake?
00:50:15.000 Who was the wasn't there a whole like Ivy League thing where they were trying to it was trying to get rid of Columbus's name from different things?
00:50:23.000 And there was like that whole, we have to remove the name Columbus from everything.
00:50:27.000 And then, you know, anyone was a slaveholder, so we had to get rid of like anything that says, you know, named after Stonewall Jackson or Robert E. Lee.
00:50:35.000 But then I was pointing out that Yale University is named for Elihu Yale, who was himself a slave owner.
00:50:47.000 I was saying that anyone who has a YALE degree or like I was looking up CNN reporters who had like YALE in their in their Twitter profiles and saying that you know how, how dare, because they were saying you benefited from slavery right?
00:51:00.000 So anyone who has a YALE degree benefited from slavery.
00:51:04.000 That, if you wanted to.
00:51:05.000 I think actually we have a commenter here Ray Dev points out, and I think it's actually worth citing.
00:51:09.000 I got someone to take it out of her box.
00:51:10.000 What's going on is he no longer fits their narrative and like, why is this only coming out now?
00:51:15.000 Come on, so I think it's actually sorry Andrew, I think this gets back to what you were trying to point out.
00:51:19.000 So when Cesar Chavez was feeling the need of oh, we've got oppressed laborers in the US and so we need more socialism or whatever for them, and also, you know they're Hispanic, so we need another reason to like elevate new heroes in that way, then Cesar Chavez was useful to them.
00:51:37.000 But, as more people are aware of oh, he also didn't like immigration.
00:51:42.000 There were other ways where you could say he was not in step with modern Lib narratives of open borders and so on.
00:51:48.000 Okay, now we can chuck this guy as part of our great process of getting rid of everyone before the year 2020, but I don't know that we want to race to to pick up Caesar Chavez, the the story looks pretty bad.
00:52:01.000 I'm not picking him up, but if they pick him up i'm gonna smack him for it, because I I think you were kind of picking him up a little bit there.
00:52:08.000 I think you were.
00:52:08.000 I think you were considering it.
00:52:10.000 No, definitely not, no bit.
00:52:12.000 Maybe maybe 25 20 yeah, maybe 25.
00:52:20.000 I'm all right with that.
00:52:21.000 Um hey, we have 10 guys to go.
00:52:23.000 I have a question for you.
00:52:24.000 I have a question for you, if on x, they included a down vote, would you support it?
00:52:31.000 Would you give a thumbs up to a thumbs down?
00:52:34.000 I think it's already being rolled out, isn't it they?
00:52:36.000 They teased it.
00:52:37.000 That's what we're talking about.
00:52:40.000 They haven't hit it yet.
00:52:41.000 I think my favorite take is like we should have a dislike button, but it should be just like voting.
00:52:46.000 It should be restricted to male, to uh property owning males and then their wives who have had children. 0.56
00:52:53.000 Yep, didn't they get rid of the uh youtube video?
00:52:58.000 Um yeah, about five years ago they got rid of dislikes. 0.99
00:53:01.000 So the quote, yeah, but then, like all the all the pepes went in and were like that's stupid. 0.99
00:53:05.000 So the anons made up their made up like a script to bring, be able to bring it back. 0.99
00:53:10.000 Yeah, but it's not the same.
00:53:11.000 I mean, the reason they got rid of dislikes was actually that was like a great element of the backlash to Peak Woke was it started happening because you'd get these incredibly horrible film trailers, tv trailers, game trailers and they or a really awful political ad and they would just get annihilated.
00:53:26.000 90 to 10 or 99 to 1, that level of ratio, like it's the true ratio as opposed to the, the fake twitter ratio of like comments to retweets or or whatever people go for, and so I think it'd be good to have that.
00:53:41.000 Like you can just get a direct measure of how much people are liking it.
00:53:44.000 But on admittedly, on x, like x is full of bots, so everything's going to get botted really hard.
00:53:50.000 It's going to get botted.
00:53:51.000 But here's the problem.
00:53:53.000 But, but there's another potential up upgrade to this, where that they're looking, Where you can set, and I like this, region filters.
00:54:02.000 So you could potentially set it up so that your tweet could only go to certain regions and that you could only interact with certain people from certain parts of the world.
00:54:13.000 So like America would be a region? 0.65
00:54:16.000 Nice.
00:54:16.000 Correct.
00:54:17.000 Yeah, I think it's like goes by continent, maybe, or, you know, I don't know exactly how it's going to happen yet, but I'm all in.
00:54:27.000 See, here's my big thing.
00:54:28.000 And I've said this publicly a few times because that's to do with the payouts because people are totally gaming the payout system on X. What you should have to do is that if, so the payouts are not by impressions.
00:54:38.000 A lot of people get this wrong.
00:54:39.000 Payouts are by replies.
00:54:41.000 Elon said this.
00:54:42.000 Everyone said this early on.
00:54:43.000 But then I see people complaining and saying, oh, well, I got this many impressions, but it's not about that.
00:54:47.000 It's about replies.
00:54:48.000 And by the way, verified replies.
00:54:51.000 So if you've just got, like, if you're just a slop merchant that's just like, you know, churning out the purveying of the slopaganda all day long, that you're not necessarily going to get that unless you get the verified replies.
00:55:04.000 However, comma, what I would say is that you should set it so that the companies that are advertising, that those ad dollars should only be able to go to regions that they want them to go to.
00:55:19.000 So if you're, you know, if you're an American-based company, you want that, you want those ad dollars going to American accounts that are reaching an American audience, right?
00:55:29.000 Like that's how basic advertising works.
00:55:32.000 So is that the way that it works?
00:55:34.000 Because if you've got an account that's on another part of the world that's affecting people in another part of the world, China's got 1.8 billion people, India's got 1.8 billion, whatever it is, that, but that is just a waste of money then.
00:55:48.000 So that pot of money should stay within the audience and the creators who are part of that audience.
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00:56:56.000 Tyler, you were going to say something and Jack cut you off.
00:56:58.000 No, I can't remember what I was going to say.
00:57:00.000 I think I was going to say something along the lines of the dislikes.
00:57:05.000 I think you're going to have these scenarios too where, I mean, we've seen this where certain content is targeted by people.
00:57:17.000 So it's by bots, but also there's meat puppetry that happens, what they call meat puppetry online, where someone will go to, so if you're targeting Blake, for example.
00:57:28.000 A lot of people are.
00:57:29.000 It happens.
00:57:29.000 They'll go to like a Telegram channel and they'll say, Blake just posted this.
00:57:33.000 Everyone go dislike it.
00:57:35.000 And that's a, you know, that's a sometimes a meat puppetry type scenario.
00:57:39.000 I mean, a lot of the big streamers will do that.
00:57:41.000 They'll just say like, oh, just posted this on X. Everyone go like it.
00:57:45.000 Yeah, go like it or dislike somebody else's stuff.
00:57:47.000 I think the problem on X is if it's, I think it's actually, I think it's actually a positive not to see everyone that likes something.
00:57:58.000 I think it should be public who dislikes it.
00:58:00.000 So as long as I totally understand all the arguments for not being visible of who likes it because that, you know, but I do think it should be public if you dislike it.
00:58:13.000 I do actually find that kind of interesting when you post something spicy on X and only you get to see who liked it.
00:58:18.000 And you're like, oh, so-and-so liked that.
00:58:20.000 It's like very telling.
00:58:22.000 Gives you a little lay of the land.
00:58:24.000 But I think it's impactful.
00:58:26.000 Like if you do, if they do do the dislike button, I think it's important to see who's disliking it because if you say something that's positive and people are just disliking it just for disliking its sake to try to make you look bad.
00:58:38.000 So like a bad political, like so someone on the right.
00:58:41.000 So let's say like this oftentimes will happen, right?
00:58:45.000 Is I'll post something that's super generic and then like a bunch of trolls will just comment on my stuff about something that's totally like unrelated on my on my fee has nothing to do with what I'm actually talking about.
00:58:58.000 They probably agree with what I'm saying.
00:59:01.000 Yeah.
00:59:01.000 So if you have a dislike button that's a secret though, a bunch of those trolls will just dislike it to try to make you look bad, even though they actually might agree with it.
00:59:10.000 But if it's public, then they have to live with that they disagree with it.
00:59:14.000 I haven't had been on Facebook for six years at this point and I don't really miss it.
00:59:18.000 But I will say what I did like about Facebook when I was still on it is they had, they were up to what, like six different Reacts.
00:59:25.000 You could have like like, dislike, kind of heart eyes react and like a few others.
00:59:30.000 I don't know.
00:59:30.000 I'm kind of a sucker for like a wide range of emote reacts.
00:59:33.000 Like if you've ever been in a, if you've ever been in like a Slack group for work or whatever, you've got a million different emotes.
00:59:38.000 Discord's got a million.
00:59:39.000 I am like an emote response maximizer.
00:59:42.000 So I think we should go all in on this for X and X should have dozens, if not hundreds, perhaps thousands, millions of potential emote reacts.
00:59:53.000 Maybe even have AI.
00:59:55.000 You could ask the AI to generate a custom emote response using Grok.
00:59:59.000 You could say, I can only react to this with an image of like a gigantic bald eagle eating out the heart of Caesar Chavez.
01:00:11.000 And then it just generates that for you as an emote.
01:00:13.000 And then you post that and other people can react the same way.
01:00:16.000 Well, that's, I mean, you have like a, that's like a sticker pack.
01:00:19.000 Like you go on, like Telegram has sticker packs and Signal has sticker packs.
01:00:23.000 Like like that's that's kind of already used on social media, just not Twitter.
01:00:29.000 I don't want stickers.
01:00:30.000 I want AI generated art.
01:00:33.000 I demand this.
01:00:34.000 In fact, if Elon Musk doesn't do this, I am going to I'm going to be slightly annoyed and then probably forget I ever made this request.
01:00:44.000 Amazing.
01:00:45.000 Well, Jack is going to be upset because we didn't get to his Val Kilmer thing, but Val Kilmer is being resurrected by AI.
01:00:53.000 Such a good story.
01:00:54.000 No, we nailed the, we got the, we got the Kathy, or sorry, Corey, Corey Richardson story in with, again, that's, that's Tyler Robinson's defense lawyer.
01:01:04.000 So just putting that out for everybody.
01:01:07.000 That potential, potential preview of things to come.
01:01:10.000 I dislike, I'm putting the down vote.
01:01:14.000 The Val Kilmer coming up as AI.
01:01:18.000 This was limited.
01:01:19.000 It's limited to just this show.
01:01:21.000 What's that?
01:01:23.000 Her client was found not guilty.
01:01:24.000 Excuse me.
01:01:25.000 Her client was found guilty in three hours.
01:01:27.000 Yeah.
01:01:28.000 Well, I will upvote that.
01:01:32.000 But wait, Val Kilmer, oh, Venezuela beat Team America.
01:01:37.000 That was the other topic we were going to get to.
01:01:38.000 Well, I think we're out of time on it.
01:01:40.000 So you just have to go up or down.
01:01:42.000 President Trump truthed after they won 51st state or statehood, something like that.
01:01:48.000 Do you want?
01:01:49.000 Oh, you're going, you're going thumbs down.
01:01:51.000 Yeah, I can't.
01:01:52.000 I can't.
01:01:53.000 See the humor of it, but no, just to warn everyone, wanting to make a state out of countries that have 30 million people who elected a socialist president.
01:02:01.000 No, no, there's a lot of people.
01:02:02.000 I don't want to get in 28 million people.
01:02:05.000 Like, we've seen the problems from the people who have moved from Venezuela to the U.S. 1.00
01:02:09.000 Now imagine the 28 million diehards who are like, no, I'm not going to leave Venezuela for the U.S.
01:02:16.000 No, no, they cannot come in.
01:02:18.000 This is one of the reasons that Greenland is such a good idea because the population is so low.
01:02:23.000 So, yes, is like, for example, is Cuba's strategic territory, obviously.
01:02:27.000 But the population's too high will cause too many problems.
01:02:29.000 Same with Canada.
01:02:30.000 Population is too high, too many migrants cause too many problems. 1.00
01:02:33.000 So vassalage, you know, there's certain things we could look at.
01:02:35.000 Greenland, on the other hand, 100% statehood.
01:02:39.000 Yeah.
01:02:39.000 Also, Greenland's bigger.
01:02:41.000 Like, if we got Greenland, we'd be bigger than Canada.
01:02:43.000 We'd be like approaching the size of Russia.
01:02:45.000 I think there's a lot of reason to get it.
01:02:47.000 Yeah, I think there's a lot of conservatives that are up in that part of the world that might move.
01:02:51.000 Like, guys, have you seen a Mercator projection?
01:02:53.000 Think about how huge we'd be on a Mercator projection.
01:02:55.000 Yeah, Venezuela's way too.
01:02:56.000 Can you imagine the illegal immigration into Venezuela?
01:03:00.000 Illegal immigration into Venezuela?
01:03:03.000 It would be insane.
01:03:04.000 Every Columbia.
01:03:05.000 I know Alaska and Hawaii kind of break this rule, but I do think you should have to be connected to the lower 48, generally speaking.
01:03:12.000 No, no.
01:03:13.000 Alaska, fine, whatever.
01:03:15.000 I'm actually the exact opposite in that America's shape. 0.53
01:03:18.000 The 48-state shape is actually a very good shape.
01:03:22.000 Like, it's very iconic looking.
01:03:23.000 It's got the right amount of smooth and jagged edges and all of that.
01:03:27.000 Like, it's a good shape. 0.78
01:03:28.000 So, like, when we see those maps where if we added Alberta, America would look stupid in silhouette if we added Alberta. 0.87
01:03:34.000 We'd have this big dongle on the end of it. 0.98
01:03:37.000 It would be awful.
01:03:38.000 I would like.
01:03:39.000 We really have to think about these things, guys.
01:03:42.000 Wait, but Tyler, what about Tyler?
01:03:44.000 What about the, well, we already have Florida.
01:03:47.000 What about the, you know, what about our plan for Arizona to get its beach?
01:03:51.000 Take it.
01:03:52.000 That little strip. 0.98
01:03:52.000 See that? 0.98
01:03:53.000 See, that wouldn't add that much onto the map.
01:03:57.000 So it really wouldn't change.
01:03:58.000 You could actually just drop.
01:04:00.000 I call that the teat. 0.93
01:04:02.000 That's an Arizona T.
01:04:04.000 It goes.
01:04:05.000 If you went straight across the southern border of Arizona all the way to the water, you could pretty much get it straight across the water.
01:04:12.000 So you really wouldn't notice that much.
01:04:15.000 So you could get some pretty aesthetic ends.
01:04:17.000 And I actually think that Arizona's border will have to extend all of the borders down more.
01:04:23.000 No, but it doesn't extend.
01:04:24.000 The southern border of Arizona already is flat all the way across.
01:04:27.000 They can go straight to water.
01:04:29.000 It goes up just slightly to dodge the water. 1.00
01:04:32.000 It's stupid. 1.00
01:04:33.000 It makes no sense. 1.00
01:04:35.000 Yeah, you're right.
01:04:36.000 No, it makes you know that we were.
01:04:38.000 It makes no sense why we're statistically upset about this.
01:04:41.000 Did you know that President Polk's original demand was for all of Baja and like a few more states?
01:04:46.000 Polk's demand was all the way down to past Durango? 0.58
01:04:51.000 It was basically like you would have gotten like Chihuahua, Sonora, like those almost all totally.
01:04:57.000 And then you get all of Baja.
01:05:02.000 No, but then you would also get what's the place where Ted Cruz went on vacation that everyone got upset about?
01:05:08.000 Cancun.
01:05:09.000 You get Cancun?
01:05:09.000 Cancun.
01:05:10.000 No, I don't want the other side.
01:05:11.000 Yeah, no, but Polkan.
01:05:12.000 No, but Polk wanted the Yucatan.
01:05:12.000 I don't want the Yucatan.
01:05:14.000 No, we don't need any of that nonsense.
01:05:16.000 No, but Polk just wanted the desert, and we should have got the desert.
01:05:19.000 No, Polk wanted the Yucatan.
01:05:21.000 But the Yucatan is like.
01:05:23.000 I don't want the jungle.
01:05:23.000 He wanted the jungle.
01:05:25.000 He wanted the jungle.
01:05:26.000 He had a little jungle feature.
01:05:27.000 Yeah, there's some interesting.
01:05:28.000 No, it's not just jungle, though.
01:05:29.000 That's the thing.
01:05:30.000 This would totally derail this, but they've used new LIDAR sensors to do some almost infrared style mapping of the jungle.
01:05:40.000 And there's all these ancient Mayan cities in there and stuff.
01:05:45.000 Okay, here's the problem.
01:05:46.000 If we absorbed the ancient Mayan temples, we would inherit the ancient Mayan curse, and that would curse the United States. 0.76
01:05:54.000 That's why most of the time, we would inherit the modern Mayans that would vote against us. 0.94
01:06:01.000 Like Cesar Chavez.
01:06:03.000 Yes.
01:06:04.000 And there we are, full circle.
01:06:06.000 We've done it, folks.
01:06:06.000 We always take us home.
01:06:09.000 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and commit more thought crime. 0.96
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