The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 12 — Boycott the NFL? Liberty UnSafe? Is Obama Gay?

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:01.000 Thought crimes, where we speak the truth.

00:00:05.000 Unedited. 0.97

00:00:06.000 Is Obama gay? 0.99

00:00:08.000 Yeah, we spend some time on that one. 0.97

00:00:11.000 We talk about the NFL and whether or not you should watch football and more.

00:00:17.000 Some pretty provocative topics this week.

00:00:20.000 And also pence and populism.

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00:00:31.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:00:31.000 Here we go.

00:00:32.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:34.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:00:36.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:40.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:43.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:44.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:45.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.

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00:00:54.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:02.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:06.000 Okay, everybody, welcome.

00:01:07.000 What episode number is this?

00:01:09.000 Number 12, Charlie.

00:01:11.000 Are you kidding me?

00:01:11.000 I know.

00:01:12.000 Three whole months.

00:01:13.000 That's three more months than we should have gotten.

00:01:15.000 That's unbelievable.

00:01:17.000 Blake Neff is with us.

00:01:18.000 I have to say, Blake Neff is the most.

00:01:21.000 He is the fan favorite.

00:01:23.000 I've never seen a guest like Blake Neff.

00:01:26.000 Loved by the audience.

00:01:27.000 Tyler Boyer.

00:01:28.000 Also hated by the audience.

00:01:30.000 Well, that was important.

00:01:31.000 I am the most, as you say.

00:01:33.000 I am the most.

00:01:34.000 Just the most.

00:01:36.000 And then Jack Pesobic.

00:01:38.000 Jack, how we doing?

00:01:41.000 Charlie, we're doing great.

00:01:42.000 I would say, though, rapidly becoming the fan favorite is Tyler's mustache.

00:01:47.000 You know, we're only in September.

00:01:49.000 It is not No Shave November yet, but that thing is literally getting its own zip code.

00:01:55.000 I guess when we're all in the gulags, that thing is going to have a sell next to Tyler's.

00:01:59.000 It's going to need to sell by itself.

00:02:00.000 We're going full handlebars.

00:02:03.000 But by September, he'll be the Kaiser, and by December, he'll be a Civil War general.

00:02:08.000 We should bring back Mutton Chop. 0.93

00:02:10.000 Blake, you should go to Mutton Chop.

00:02:12.000 Yeah, you should.

00:02:14.000 Okay, now we need to move on.

00:02:15.000 All right.

00:02:16.000 Everyone in the comments.

00:02:17.000 Should Blake go Asian? 0.96

00:02:19.000 I mean, should he throw Mush and Chop?

00:02:22.000 No, he should go full Lennon.

00:02:24.000 Lennon?

00:02:25.000 What should be the full channel?

00:02:26.000 What is Luigi doing here?

00:02:28.000 I thought that was Tyler, but I see Luigi's here.

00:02:30.000 I'll take the tall, skinny one.

00:02:31.000 That's fine.

00:02:32.000 So we have several topics.

00:02:34.000 We do want to add in the NFL topic, which I think is interesting because in just a couple minutes, Patrick Mahomes and the Tans City Chiefs are going to kick off against the Lions.

00:02:42.000 I'll be fully transparent.

00:02:43.000 I said this on the radio show today.

00:02:45.000 I have a tension with this.

00:02:47.000 I struggle because I love football and I hate the NFL.

00:02:50.000 And so it's like a constant wrestling match.

00:02:53.000 Listen, the most important guy on the Chiefs is Harrison Butker, who has been to our office.

00:02:58.000 He's amazing.

00:02:58.000 No, he's been to our office.

00:03:00.000 Has he really?

00:03:00.000 Yeah, he's been here.

00:03:01.000 Yeah.

00:03:02.000 Yeah, he's been here.

00:03:03.000 He's a super winger.

00:03:04.000 Great dude.

00:03:05.000 Great dude.

00:03:06.000 So, and he was hurt last year for a little bit.

00:03:09.000 Anyway, we'll talk about the NFL, but most importantly, oh, are we starting with Liberty Unsafe? 0.98

00:03:14.000 I thought we were doing Obama gay cocaine. 0.99

00:03:16.000 Soon enough. 0.99

00:03:17.000 But for now, it's Liberty Safe.

00:03:19.000 Get right to it.

00:03:20.000 Jack, it seems as if if a company, an organization, dares to activate the Pesobic Kirk matrix, it doesn't go well.

00:03:31.000 You could add, I mean, we have like a list of things that target a Green Reaper meme.

00:03:38.000 Just likely New Hampshire, is that if you activate, because we have another group chat that they don't even know about, right, Jack?

00:03:44.000 It's kind of like our boycott chat.

00:03:45.000 No, we don't.

00:03:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:47.000 Jack always denies it.

00:03:48.000 And all of a sudden, it's like, we want, Jack, we have created this kind of thought crime sword of Damocles.

00:03:54.000 You could fall at any moment.

00:03:56.000 I don't think it was on Liberty Safe's bingo card that they would get boycotted.

00:04:01.000 Jack, what's going on with Liberty Safe?

00:04:02.000 Go through all the facts for the uninitiated in our audience.

00:04:05.000 So I'll throw something out, just an interesting observation based on what you said before I go through the recap.

00:04:10.000 But the interesting observation is: remember, from Liberty Safe's perspective, somebody at the company, probably not even the CEO, answered a phone call from the FBI, was asked to provide a passcode.

00:04:22.000 They followed their protocol, provided the passcode, and they went on with the rest of their day.

00:04:26.000 They had no idea what was going on.

00:04:29.000 They had no idea that the Kirk Poso sword of Damocles was about to fall down on them because they didn't even pay attention.

00:04:39.000 They actually said in their statement, right?

00:04:40.000 In the statement.

00:04:41.000 Okay, now I'll go back.

00:04:43.000 So they provided a passcode to the FBI for a January 6th defendant where they allude to possibly have being served with a warrant, though there's no actual information as to whether or not the safe was included in the warrant.

00:05:00.000 It just says they were called and that they have a policy regarding warrants, but it doesn't do whatever the feds want.

00:05:06.000 That's their policy.

00:05:08.000 It doesn't actually say that there's any specific mention of the gun safe in Liberty Safe, their gun safes that have marketed towards conservatives, Second Amendment activists for a very, very long time.

00:05:22.000 Are we going to play the thing now?

00:05:23.000 Or you just want to play it on the talk?

00:05:24.000 Okay.

00:05:25.000 So in the statement, they also mention, we didn't have all the facts of the investigation, which is like, okay, so you said you were contacted by the feds and you didn't even think to push back or ask any basic questions as to what was going on.

00:05:43.000 You immediately gave over the passcode to the safe, which is essentially a manufacturer's code that has access to everyone's gun safe.

00:05:53.000 This is something that would go in for electronic, obviously not mechanical locks.

00:05:58.000 So every gun safe that Liberty Safe owns, essentially, this means they can be opened with a phone call.

00:06:06.000 So if you have a phone call and you repeat the magical incantation, you say the right things over the phone.

00:06:11.000 And I got into it with people on Twitter today, them saying, oh, that would never happen to me.

00:06:16.000 I would never do that.

00:06:17.000 So, okay, what if you call up and I've got all the information about your safe and I'm not you and I asked them to give me the code and I'm, you know, I'm some teenager and I know mom and dad where mom and dad keep the receipts.

00:06:28.000 Boom.

00:06:28.000 Now I got all your guns.

00:06:30.000 How about that?

00:06:30.000 Is that safety?

00:06:32.000 So this is January, this is Jan Sixer.

00:06:35.000 And then I think are we, are we going to play the footage?

00:06:38.000 Because I know the B-roll.

00:06:41.000 It's incredible.

00:06:41.000 There's two pieces of footage.

00:06:43.000 There's this footage of the cars, I think, at his home.

00:06:45.000 And then this one with the Fed boys who it seems at a strip mall that they found him, right, Jack?

00:06:52.000 Is that correct?

00:06:53.000 So there's two things.

00:06:54.000 So they arrested him and they hit the house at the same time.

00:06:58.000 So this is two separate, it's two separate things we're talking about.

00:07:00.000 Obviously, the gun safe is not at the strip mall.

00:07:02.000 So they arrested him, which, by the way, not a pre-dawn raid.

00:07:06.000 So I guess we got to give the FBI a little bit of credit here because they did conduct a pre-dawn raid in Utah against this 300-pound 75-year-old man who was posting Biden.

00:07:19.000 They didn't make him abandon his baby inside the house while they like frog marched everyone out.

00:07:25.000 It really is.

00:07:26.000 I'll give them credit for that.

00:07:27.000 I mean, they didn't give him the David Koresh treatment on this one.

00:07:32.000 They actually picked him up what I would seem, it seems to me, at least is a very safe manner there on the street, even though they rolled in like, I mean, look at the way they're tactically, just for the podcast audience.

00:07:44.000 Who do you think you are?

00:07:47.000 He's Osama bin Laden, flak jackets and M4s with lasers and scopes on them. 0.99

00:07:54.000 It's just like some, it's like some guy at a CVS.

00:07:57.000 No, it's a show of strength intentionally, is what it is.

00:08:01.000 It's we're in charge and you are not sure.

00:08:04.000 We have to emphasize why this really stands out.

00:08:06.000 Because, yeah, they did get a warrant.

00:08:08.000 So, you know, if a warrant goes through all the way, you do generally have to comply with it.

00:08:12.000 But the reason this stands out is what's a prominent liberal company out there, Apple, Apple Computers.

00:08:18.000 And they've been battling for years with the FBI over what they, you know, when they get warrants, they say, we don't need to go along with all of these warrants.

00:08:26.000 You know, we believe our phones should be secure for the people who buy them.

00:08:30.000 And we're going to push back on these unless they're very legitimate.

00:08:33.000 So they've been fighting for years over, you know, the government wants them to build a back door into all of their phones that the federal government can basically just pop it open, take everyone's stuff off.

00:08:42.000 Like they had with WhatsApp.

00:08:43.000 And Apple's been suing over this, you know, to not have to do this for years and years.

00:08:43.000 Yeah.

00:08:47.000 And then Apple's not a conservative company.

00:08:50.000 They don't pander to conservatives at all.

00:08:52.000 A lot of us have a lot of issues with Apple, and yet they still have this kind of old 90s liberal defiance of authority that is playing to the public's advantage in this case.

00:09:02.000 Whereas this company that spent years catering supposedly to conservatives just folds like a house of cards.

00:09:09.000 But at the same time, I think I am a little more sympathetic than a lot of people here in that I don't think I see like a big anti-conservative agenda.

00:09:18.000 I think this is a case where a company, possibly even a low-level person at the company, didn't really understand how norms and expectations on the right have evolved so that we are more suspicious of government investigations like this.

00:09:31.000 Yeah, but when a company is run and owned by people who don't care in the same way that that's the point is that they were purchased.

00:09:37.000 They're purchased.

00:09:39.000 And you want to go through that?

00:09:41.000 Yeah, I mean, it's not a ton of investigative work here that we did, but we'll take credit for it.

00:09:48.000 Just going to FEC.gov.

00:09:50.000 Which is, you know, you just go, and this is what I always do whenever I see something happen.

00:09:53.000 I'm like, well, is there maybe, and I agree with, I don't think it's probably necessarily something where it's like they were written in policy.

00:10:01.000 They're like, the next time the FBI shows up, we're going to hand everything over.

00:10:04.000 But if you don't have people at the top who answer these questions rapidly and are not people who actually care about the customer base, which I don't think the gentleman who runs this company now, that runs this investment firm, really actually cares about conservatives because we know that because his partners in it, he collectively have spent over $400,000 the last 10 cycles on Democrats.

00:10:31.000 This is what you get.

00:10:32.000 And so there's a lesson in here, which is, hey, if you're a conservative, you built a company that you want to be proud of and you want to see continue on even after you sell it.

00:10:40.000 And that you can go, wow, I'm glad that they agreed to keep having Glenn Beck be my sponsor or my voice that tells everybody about how great my safe is.

00:10:50.000 You better not sell it to people who are libs. 1.00

00:10:54.000 And we should highlight the scale of this.

00:10:57.000 We checked out their data.

00:11:00.000 They were bought by this company, Montamoy Capital, I think is the name of it.

00:11:04.000 That was the first problem because Montamoy is in Massachusetts.

00:11:06.000 Yeah, they're in Massachusetts.

00:11:07.000 And then you can look at senior people at Montomoy who they've donated to.

00:11:11.000 And I think you have to go back to 2012 or so to even find a Republican who was worthy of a single center.

00:11:16.000 There was one guy.

00:11:17.000 They own a gun safe.

00:11:18.000 No, no, no.

00:11:19.000 So these guys are from Massachusetts.

00:11:21.000 There was one guy that gave Mitt Romney 10 bucks in 2012.

00:11:25.000 Yeah.

00:11:26.000 You can't even make this up.

00:11:27.000 You can just look through it.

00:11:28.000 We've got like Maggie Hassan for New Hampshire, $2,900.

00:11:31.000 We have Raphael Warnock.

00:11:32.000 We have $2,900 to $2,900.

00:11:34.000 We have Mark Kelly for Senate, $2,900.

00:11:38.000 Catherine Cortez Masto for Senate.

00:11:40.000 This person is doing deep cuts in their donations. 0.56

00:11:43.000 Their max donations.

00:11:44.000 Fedderman for Pennsylvania.

00:11:46.000 They gave maximum to the official national puppet of the United States.

00:11:50.000 Tim Ryan.

00:11:52.000 Who is terrible.

00:11:53.000 Ugh.

00:11:55.000 Mark Kelly.

00:11:56.000 And so, but I think that some people are saying, well, Charlie, how should they have reacted?

00:12:01.000 Well, in one of two ways.

00:12:02.000 They could have sued.

00:12:03.000 You can sue when you get a subpoena or a warrant.

00:12:05.000 You could also just negotiate.

00:12:07.000 Or the third, if they really would have been threatened, they could have done a press release.

00:12:11.000 We are right now, I'm not going to tell you what customer, but the feds have come to us against our will, and we are being told to get our password and we refuse.

00:12:19.000 Like they could have made a huge thing about it.

00:12:20.000 Like senators could have gotten involved.

00:12:22.000 Just tweet it.

00:12:23.000 Yeah, just be like the FBI right now is telling us to get into our safe, one of the safes of our customers.

00:12:29.000 We don't do that.

00:12:30.000 We are going to lock ourselves inside one of our own safes to remember Elon paid what, how much of a fine was it?

00:12:30.000 We're not doing that.

00:12:37.000 It was like $250,000 or something because the feds were trying to get into Trump's account recently, the Jack Smith thing, and he missed the deadline.

00:12:45.000 And I forget the number.

00:12:46.000 It was six figures, over six figures that he paid because he refused at first and then missed the deadline, ended up having to pay a bunch of people.

00:12:56.000 Bring it up on screen, guys, if you can.

00:12:58.000 We've got $350,000 because it dragged its feet in complying with a DOJ warrant.

00:13:06.000 Jack Smith versus Elon Musk.

00:13:06.000 There you go.

00:13:08.000 And who knows if that drives all the other things.

00:13:10.000 Money where his mouth is.

00:13:11.000 Money where his mouth is, right?

00:13:13.000 Money, like show me that you are willing to fight for the rights of your customers, regardless of who they are.

00:13:20.000 Treat everyone the same, whether you've got a MAGA hat on or whether you're supporting, I don't know, some other person who's on the other side, right?

00:13:30.000 Point is that companies, we would love to just go back to the normal playing field, but we can't.

00:13:36.000 And so I'm not going to sit here and beg for fairness.

00:13:38.000 I'm not going to say, oh, this isn't fair. 0.94

00:13:41.000 This is, you know, this is hypocrisy, the double hypocrisy. 0.51

00:13:44.000 No, no. 0.83

00:13:45.000 Mutual escalation. 0.97

00:13:47.000 So if you are going to work with the feds, we're going to destroy you. 0.96

00:13:49.000 Simple as that. 0.98

00:13:50.000 Simple.

00:13:51.000 Yep.

00:13:51.000 And so, but here's the tell.

00:13:53.000 Here's the kicker.

00:13:54.000 Because I had some people text me, you know, when Jack, you and I initiated the Death Star.

00:13:59.000 Some people say, Charlie, you're being unfair.

00:14:01.000 You're being unfair.

00:14:02.000 Here's the kicker, Jack.

00:14:04.000 They sent out a new statement this morning acknowledging we were right, saying, oh, by the way, now we have a whole new standard operating procedure.

00:14:11.000 Oh, wait.

00:14:12.000 Okay.

00:14:13.000 So we broke your will.

00:14:14.000 24 hours.

00:14:15.000 Now you now admit we're never going to do this.

00:14:18.000 We have a new process.

00:14:20.000 So, Jack, read the two contracts.

00:14:21.000 It's a story in kind of two parts.

00:14:23.000 First part, we get asked.

00:14:25.000 We got a lot of pushback.

00:14:26.000 We got a lot of pushback because there are still a lot of people in the conservative, I would almost call it like the conservatarian movement that still believe like, oh, business should be able to do whatever they want and we should always support businesses and businesses.

00:14:40.000 I'm just going to do this stuff.

00:14:42.000 You know, and here, so look at this.

00:14:45.000 At Liberty Safe, we are dedicated to safeguarding the rights and privacy of our customers.

00:14:49.000 It's a promise that remains deeply personal to our employees and leadership.

00:14:53.000 Our company, one of America's oldest, blah, blah, blah, blah, fundamental rights, blah, blah, blah.

00:14:57.000 Here we go.

00:14:58.000 Here we go.

00:14:58.000 We've, okay, we've long adhered.

00:15:00.000 It's an industry standard of maintaining a secure database and factory set combinations.

00:15:00.000 All right.

00:15:05.000 That's what I'm trying to say.

00:15:06.000 It's not just us.

00:15:07.000 Industry standard.

00:15:08.000 This practice helps customers.

00:15:12.000 And then, oh, wait, there's actually a page three where they get into the new one.

00:15:16.000 It's not there right now.

00:15:17.000 But then in page three, so they put out a one-page statement.

00:15:21.000 Oh, yeah, here he is.

00:15:22.000 They put out one page statement at first.

00:15:23.000 That wasn't good enough.

00:15:24.000 Then they go back.

00:15:25.000 There's this huge, the Kirk Posto sort of Diamocles comes down.

00:15:28.000 Then they put out a three-page statement.

00:15:31.000 We've listened to our customers and update our products and practices in response to their evolving needs.

00:15:38.000 Evolving needs.

00:15:40.000 Evolving needs.

00:15:41.000 24 hours of backlash.

00:15:43.000 It empowers our customers with greater control over their information.

00:15:49.000 Now, this is bolded.

00:15:50.000 Effective immediately.

00:15:52.000 Existing customers can visit www.blah blah blah and fill out the form to have records that have their access codes expunged.

00:16:00.000 Why should you opt out?

00:16:01.000 This should be an opt-in.

00:16:03.000 This should be an opt-in.

00:16:04.000 It should not be an opt-out thing.

00:16:06.000 You should not have this when you sign up.

00:16:08.000 Every single person who buys a Liberty Safe should be made sure they understand what the system is.

00:16:12.000 They give an option.

00:16:13.000 Do you want to opt in or do you want to opt out?

00:16:15.000 It's probably a lot easier to not have to maintain a database, by the way, of all the records.

00:16:19.000 So you opt out, you opt out, right?

00:16:20.000 But give people the option when you purchase.

00:16:23.000 So, right there, it's and then it says customers take control, et cetera, et cetera.

00:16:27.000 And then blah, blah, blah.

00:16:28.000 And it doesn't say it, but basically the whole thing is posto and Kirk are right.

00:16:32.000 Jack, I think this, I think part of the outrage of this whole thing was people realized for the first time that there was a database with someone that they can't trust that literally has everyone's codes in it.

00:16:45.000 And these guys are based out of the de facto gun registry of conservatives.

00:16:48.000 Yeah, it's a de facto gun registry, but that liberals run it and it's in Utah.

00:16:56.000 And you can't trust a lot of people in Utah.

00:16:57.000 I mean, look at the governor for crying out loud.

00:16:59.000 Spencer Cox is a very Spencer Cox and Mitt Romney.

00:17:02.000 I mean, you're talking about these people put their trust in some bad people in Utah, right?

00:17:07.000 Yep.

00:17:08.000 You know, saying that some of the worst political actors.

00:17:10.000 Some of the worst actors we have in America.

00:17:12.000 Like, you have to do it.

00:17:15.000 And so there's like a, and I'll, and I'll give the Mormons credit.

00:17:17.000 The Mormons have a granite vault that's supposed to be like second to none. 0.89

00:17:21.000 It's like almost is it a Liberty safe?

00:17:23.000 Colorado Springs, like almost there.

00:17:25.000 It's almost area fixed.

00:17:26.000 I can get into it.

00:17:26.000 It's Liberty Safe.

00:17:27.000 But it's not, but that's the thing.

00:17:29.000 That's the thing.

00:17:29.000 It's like there's somewhere, it's just some goon that has like everybody's code sitting on a hard drive somewhere.

00:17:36.000 It's just like, I can't get over this.

00:17:38.000 They told literally the whole world how to get into everybody.

00:17:41.000 They've told everyone to attack us in Utah.

00:17:44.000 And have you been to Utah?

00:17:45.000 Is it the dirty sodas?

00:17:46.000 Is that supposed to be this happen?

00:17:48.000 They have soda shops, and that's it.

00:17:50.000 That's the only thing I trust out of Utah is the soda shop.

00:17:52.000 Does Jack not know the dirty sodas?

00:17:54.000 So delicious.

00:17:55.000 I've never been to the name.

00:17:56.000 I've never actually been to Utah.

00:17:57.000 You've never been to Utah.

00:17:58.000 Well, Jack, let's do something.

00:18:00.000 Let's do some deductive reasoning here, Jack.

00:18:02.000 Why would there be soda shops and not bars in Utah?

00:18:05.000 You can't buy out right because it's dry.

00:18:07.000 There you go.

00:18:08.000 It's the driest state in the country.

00:18:09.000 Ice cream, soda shops, and soaking.

00:18:13.000 We won't even get into that part.

00:18:15.000 No, no, no.

00:18:17.000 Okay, we need to get out of this topic.

00:18:19.000 ASAP.

00:18:20.000 I regret everything I've said.

00:18:21.000 Utah culture, you have to understand.

00:18:23.000 But this is this is that they basically, you're exactly right.

00:18:26.000 They open up the door.

00:18:28.000 They open up the door to tell everybody, come into Utah and figure out everybody's codes.

00:18:37.000 That's not a defensive, that's not a defensive state.

00:18:41.000 It's a diet cola over ice with coconut syrup, lime juice, and a bit of half and half.

00:18:46.000 That sounds horrible.

00:18:47.000 No, it's delicious.

00:18:48.000 Absolutely.

00:18:49.000 I'll get you one next time you're here.

00:18:50.000 We have all the places here.

00:18:52.000 But look, if they get rid of Mitt Romney, I'll trust Utah a little bit more.

00:18:55.000 Maybe they can have codes to saves.

00:18:59.000 That should be the breaking point.

00:19:02.000 In my opinion, dirty soda.

00:19:05.000 You say this tastes, you drink this on purpose.

00:19:07.000 They drink it on purpose.

00:19:08.000 They sell millions of dollars.

00:19:10.000 Don't judge until you've had it.

00:19:11.000 Don't judge it.

00:19:12.000 This sounds like something that I would make like when I was 12.

00:19:15.000 And my dad would take me to McDonald's and I would like put all the sodas together and mix them up.

00:19:20.000 Yeah, we call those suicides in South Dakota.

00:19:24.000 We used to say that.

00:19:25.000 Look.

00:19:25.000 And then put the salt and pepper in, a little ketchup, some hot sauce.

00:19:28.000 No, not basically sounds about.

00:19:30.000 No, we're just talking about creamer in your soda.

00:19:35.000 That's what they'd all say.

00:19:36.000 Yeah.

00:19:36.000 That's what they all say.

00:19:37.000 Anyways, we won't trust Utah.

00:19:39.000 We will not trust Utah until they get rid of Mitt Romney.

00:19:41.000 You're not allowed to keep everyone's backdoor codes on a laptop.

00:19:49.000 Utah just cutting loose now.

00:19:51.000 Yeah, so Jack, here's a moral question.

00:19:53.000 Then we'll go to the next topic.

00:19:55.000 Should we forgive a company?

00:19:56.000 Should we forgive Liberty Safe that in 24 hours they flipped?

00:19:59.000 Should we show them mercy?

00:20:03.000 Oh, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie.

00:20:05.000 You know, a lot of people have brought this up and a lot of people have said, should we show them mercy?

00:20:10.000 And here's the question.

00:20:11.000 And as a Christian, as a Christian, I can say I forgive them on a moral level. 0.62

00:20:19.000 But at the same time, on an economic level, and when we're in a fight for our country, why would I support or promote a company like that that has already worked against my interest?

00:20:29.000 It makes no sense.

00:20:30.000 So on a personal level, sure, I can forgive you and I can say I forgive you.

00:20:34.000 You feel like you've done wrong, but I'm never going to support you again.

00:20:37.000 And I'm never going to forget what you did.

00:20:40.000 And more than likely, I will find a company that does support my values and continues to support my values.

00:20:46.000 And I will go and support them.

00:20:47.000 And case in point, we're actually having Seifert on the show tomorrow.

00:20:50.000 Yeah.

00:20:50.000 And I don't see any repentance in their statements.

00:20:53.000 I don't see anything that we were wrong.

00:20:54.000 They're like, we updated it based on.

00:20:57.000 You know, that's a big part of reconciliation, right?

00:21:02.000 I mean, you have to.

00:21:02.000 Reconciliation, you must atone is a big problem.

00:21:05.000 And I don't see much atonement.

00:21:05.000 Yeah.

00:21:06.000 It says, oh, we've updated our practices based on our customers' needs.

00:21:09.000 What changed in the last 24 hours?

00:21:09.000 Oh, really?

00:21:11.000 There's one line to draw.

00:21:12.000 That's it, Charlie, which is if they sell the company to a conservative, then everybody can go back to Liberty.

00:21:20.000 That should be the dividing line.

00:21:22.000 I mean, but here's John Jr.

00:21:24.000 Here's why this Liberty or something.

00:21:26.000 So there's a criteria.

00:21:28.000 There's a criteria that works for these things.

00:21:33.000 When certain companies are woke or go crazy, it's really hard for us to like punish them.

00:21:39.000 But when companies where the users are predominantly conservative and there's nothing that special about your product, like beer, then it's very, very easy for us to all of a sudden kind of throw it down, right?

00:21:53.000 It's like, okay, you are reliant on right-wingers and you don't have that much brand loyalty.

00:21:59.000 It's not like people say, I'm really going to miss my Liberty Safe.

00:22:03.000 It's like, yeah, okay, you could get 900 different, right?

00:22:06.000 It was like Benny thing.

00:22:08.000 No, he isn't anything.

00:22:09.000 Yeah, I mean, I guess he's working on it.

00:22:11.000 Yeah, Benny's trying to get it.

00:22:13.000 He texts us at like 5 a.m. and he's like, guys, I bought a home that had a Liberty Safe in it.

00:22:19.000 It's the size of a Volkswagen.

00:22:20.000 How do I get it out of my home?

00:22:22.000 I also like my suggestion.

00:22:24.000 No crane.

00:22:25.000 What I responded was, right?

00:22:27.000 He should do a whole video series trying to be hilarious.

00:22:31.000 Like trying to break it.

00:22:35.000 Like trying to chainsaw it.

00:22:37.000 Send us your comments.

00:22:38.000 Send us your emails.

00:22:39.000 How should Benny Johnson get rid of his Liberty Safe?

00:22:42.000 While we're talking about the comments, we do have that someone wants a promos code for Tyler Stash.

00:22:48.000 So we should look into that.

00:22:50.000 Pablo Escobar.

00:22:50.000 Yeah, promo code.

00:22:52.000 Probably Pablo Escobar.

00:22:55.000 There was a tweet yesterday that when Trump returns to office, he's going to turn Mar-a-Lago into a political prison like La Cathedral that Pablo Escobar had.

00:23:05.000 And then he'll just go down and view members of the deep state there.

00:23:10.000 All right.

00:23:10.000 Next one.

00:23:11.000 All right.

00:23:11.000 Our next topic here.

00:23:13.000 We've got Elon Musk versus the ADL.

00:23:16.000 Then we'll get to the one you want.

00:23:18.000 Just brace yourself.

00:23:19.000 We'll get to it.

00:23:20.000 We're on the Muskold.

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00:24:27.000 What is our second topic?

00:24:28.000 So now we've got, we were mentioning, you know, Elon Musk.

00:24:28.000 All right.

00:24:31.000 By the way, by the way, don't store your gold in a Liberty safe.

00:24:35.000 Just saying.

00:24:36.000 Yes.

00:24:37.000 Blake.

00:24:38.000 All right.

00:24:38.000 So we mentioned Elon Musk standing up to Jack Smith.

00:24:41.000 Well, he's got another one of his feuds going.

00:24:44.000 So ex-CEO, I hate the name X so much, but that's a topic.

00:24:48.000 That's what he's called it.

00:24:49.000 Ex-CEO Linda Yaccarino met with Jonathan Greenblatt of the ADL, formerly, I don't think they are the Anti-Defamation League anymore.

00:24:57.000 I think they are just the ADL.

00:24:58.000 Honestly, they're a bunch of racketoos. 0.99

00:25:00.000 Well, she met with this racketeer last week, caused a lot of people to worry, like, oh, they're going to roll out a new censorship regime and, you know, buddy-buddy with them.

00:25:00.000 Yeah.

00:25:07.000 We didn't get that.

00:25:09.000 Instead, ban the ADL started to trend big time on Twitter.

00:25:12.000 I think there were over 130,000 tweets for it last I checked.

00:25:16.000 And then what really got crazy is Elon Musk got involved in that and he started replying to all these people bashing the ADL, being like, oh, this is very interesting.

00:25:24.000 All those tweets, replies that he does.

00:25:27.000 And now he says that he's blaming the ADL's attacks on Twitter/slash X for causing the company to not have its advertisers back, causing it to lose value.

00:25:37.000 And he's saying he's going to sue it for billions of dollars in defamation damages.

00:25:42.000 So, you know, there's speculation.

00:25:44.000 Is Elon Musk going to be the one who finally, you know, the ADL used to have like a lot of mainstream credibility.

00:25:51.000 They lost a lot of it over the last few years over Trump, over Tucker.

00:25:55.000 But could Elon Musk be the one who, you know, brings it down?

00:25:58.000 Yeah, I mean, Jack, you and I have both dealt with these, you know, let's just say 501c3 organizations on the life.

00:26:06.000 SPLC is probably more of your, has been more of your fight.

00:26:10.000 I've actually probably fought the ADL more.

00:26:12.000 I want just people, this is so nauseating.

00:26:15.000 I'm not a fan of mine either, Charlie.

00:26:17.000 Yeah, I want to play this piece of tape here.

00:26:20.000 This is Jonathan Greenblatt, which, so he goes on CNBC and he's like, if you dare question that we are shakedown artists, you're an anti-Semite.

00:26:31.000 Play cut 44.

00:26:32.000 Can I ask a question?

00:26:34.000 Because I know this has been a critique of your organization and of many.

00:26:38.000 Were you seeking to have some kind of either role at Twitter or any kind of donations made or other things?

00:26:44.000 No.

00:26:45.000 I only say that because there have been folks who've looked at these situations and felt that they were being shaken down.

00:26:51.000 Look, I think, let me be honest about that, right? 0.85

00:26:54.000 I think it is a sort of anti-Semitic trope to suggest when Jewish people express a degree of outrage over anti-Semitism that somehow that's a shakedown because Jews are greedy.

00:27:05.000 I don't believe in, and this is really to you, Joe. 0.76

00:27:07.000 I don't believe in cancel culture.

00:27:09.000 I believe in council culture.

00:27:10.000 So someone makes a mistake, you help them fix it.

00:27:13.000 So it is a shakedown.

00:27:15.000 That's what they do.

00:27:16.000 And look, I'm not going to say what company this is, but there's a serious entrepreneur that everyone would recognize that I know.

00:27:23.000 And he was running a major company and he was confronted by one of these organizations, these nonprofits.

00:27:29.000 It was the organization for the blind.

00:27:31.000 And they came in and they said, okay, we want to learn about your company.

00:27:34.000 And he's like, oh, well, here's all the features that we have with our company for blind people.

00:27:38.000 And they weren't satisfied.

00:27:39.000 They said, well, you know, for a $25 million donation, this can be fine.

00:27:44.000 And they were like, well, we don't have any money.

00:27:45.000 And like, maybe in the future.

00:27:47.000 And within days, they sued in the whole media.

00:27:49.000 This is what happens.

00:27:50.000 A lot of these nonprofits shake down the Al Sharpton really perfected this.

00:27:54.000 Here is Jonathan Greenblatt at a diner exclusive footage, PlayCut 23.

00:27:58.000 Crazy.

00:28:00.000 Well, look at this.

00:28:02.000 I told them medium rare.

00:28:04.000 It's medium.

00:28:06.000 It happens. 0.91

00:28:07.000 I bet that cook is an anti-Semite. 0.85

00:28:09.000 He has no idea who you are.

00:28:09.000 He can't see you.

00:28:11.000 They don't just overcook a hamburger, Jerry.

00:28:14.000 Fine.

00:28:15.000 Anyway, the point I was making before Goebbels made your hamburger here is this.

00:28:20.000 A man like you could be dating women 20 years younger.

00:28:23.000 Blame me.

00:28:24.000 I thought about it.

00:28:25.000 But she is so perfect in every way.

00:28:28.000 I can't see a floor.

00:28:29.000 Well, keep looking.

00:28:33.000 All right, Jack, ADL, what is the danger that they represent to civil discourse?

00:28:39.000 Oh, the danger, I would really define it as a schticle of fluoride, Charlie.

00:28:45.000 It's a schticle of fluoride.

00:28:47.000 If you remember the Seinfeld reference, of course, this is Brian Cranston.

00:28:50.000 Before he went to Breaking Bad, he was Jerry's dentist in the famous, in the famous Jerry Seinfeld anti-dentite episode.

00:29:01.000 Pretty soon, you're going to say, pretty soon, you're going to start saying the dentist should have their own schools.

00:29:05.000 They do have their own schools.

00:29:10.000 Yeah, it really is.

00:29:11.000 And if you don't know the context, I guess this makes sense, but whatever.

00:29:14.000 Where he says essentially that he converted to Judaism just for the jokes.

00:29:19.000 That's kind of the punchline there.

00:29:20.000 He's like, it's our sense of humor that's kept us together as a people for 5,000 years, 6,000 years, even better, right?

00:29:29.000 And then he makes a joke about the Pope.

00:29:31.000 And he's like, no, it's okay, Jerry.

00:29:32.000 I used to be Christian, so I can do those too.

00:29:34.000 Or I used to be Catholic, whatever.

00:29:36.000 And so it's essentially the same kind of logic that you're taking yourself.

00:29:42.000 Like, if I were to say, oh, you're just attacking somebody for being Polish, you're attacking somebody for being what?

00:29:48.000 It's refusing to take any kind of criticism, refusing to take any kind of situation and playing it into your race, your ethnicity, your religion.

00:29:58.000 This is the same type of thing that you see out of critical race theory, by the way, in critical race theory videos.

00:30:04.000 I remember I was watching one, this video, some documentary about critical race theory and racism, everyday racism, right?

00:30:10.000 So everyday racism was one of these.

00:30:12.000 And there was literally a situation where a woman was recounting almost exactly what Uncle Leo said.

00:30:19.000 She said, well, you know, my, I was at a, this is a couple of years ago, but, you know, I was at a checkout line and I had to get, I had to get paid with a check.

00:30:29.000 And the customer, you know, the clerk who was working with everybody checking us out said, to see my ID.

00:30:35.000 She has to see my ID when I gave a check.

00:30:37.000 But I was there with my sister, who's lighter skinned than me, and she didn't have to show her ID.

00:30:43.000 And then they went on talking a little bit in the interview.

00:30:45.000 And she says, well, you know, I don't usually shop there.

00:30:46.000 I was visiting my sister.

00:30:48.000 Oh, so it's someone that your sister probably knows because she's gone there all the time.

00:30:54.000 And the reason they asked you for your ID was because they didn't recognize you and people don't usually pay by checking. 0.91

00:31:00.000 Anyway, it's just ridiculous. 0.68

00:31:02.000 You can turn anything into race. 0.51

00:31:04.000 And what's amazing, though, is if you actually look at that clip, Charlie, go back with Jonathan Greenblatt and Aaron Sorkin.

00:31:09.000 That Jonathan Greenblatt comes very, very close, right up to the line, I would say, of declaring Aaron Sorkin, who is Jewish.

00:31:18.000 Yes, an anti-Semite. 0.91

00:31:19.000 And an anti-Semitic unbearable. 0.98

00:31:22.000 He's like, yes.

00:31:22.000 He's right there.

00:31:23.000 He's right on the line.

00:31:25.000 So you have some tweets.

00:31:28.000 Yeah.

00:31:29.000 So it's just, there's so much history that, you know, one thing that's very promising about this feud between Musk and the ADL is now like you can just highlight a lot of like the ADL has been doing this stuff for a long time.

00:31:40.000 So Nate Hawkman, he's a guy on Twitter.

00:31:44.000 He used to write for some places.

00:31:46.000 And he has, for over a decade, the ADL used undercover spies to conduct a vast, coordinated, and potentially illegal campaign of espionage against the John Birch Society.

00:31:57.000 So that was a right-wing anti-communist society in the Cold War.

00:32:00.000 Sometimes got right about a lot.

00:32:01.000 But it was a lot right about a lot.

00:32:03.000 And I can't read the whole thread, but I encourage people to look it up themselves.

00:32:09.000 They were basically 30 years.

00:32:11.000 There's that too.

00:32:12.000 I'll get to that in a second, Jack.

00:32:14.000 So they just had people infiltrating the John Birch Society, and they were doing things like they would essentially engineer fake John Birch Society meetings so that some major figure would show up that they wanted to get interviewed.

00:32:26.000 They were spying on people.

00:32:28.000 They were getting like information.

00:32:31.000 I think they might have been tapping phones.

00:32:32.000 So it was a lot of it was stuff that either got banned after it happened or was probably illegal at the time.

00:32:39.000 And they were just doing this for years on end to, and they, you know, for the purposes of that they thought the John Birch Society, you know, was against their ideological interests.

00:32:48.000 And they would do this to delegitimize public figures by tying them to the John Birch Society or by, you know, linking them with it.

00:32:54.000 And then the other thing here, another tweet I have is from Michael Schellenberger.

00:32:58.000 He's one of those guys who was getting the Twitter files.

00:33:00.000 And he just highlighted this story from 1993, so 30 years ago, where California police discovered that ADL was operating what the Los Angeles Times called a nationwide intelligence network that kept files, quote, on more than 950 political groups, newspapers, and labor unions, and as many as 12,000 people.

00:33:21.000 This wasn't just things like white nationalist groups.

00:33:23.000 It was also Greenpeace, United Farm Workers, Institute for Palestine Studies, ACTUP, Association of Vietnam Veterans, and the Japanese Americans Citizens League.

00:33:33.000 Much of this information was obtained illegally from law enforcement.

00:33:37.000 And they eventually managed to avoid prosecution by donating $75,000 to anti-hate programs in San Francisco.

00:33:44.000 But it just went on and on.

00:33:45.000 Like there was evidence that they had sold information about anti-apartheid protest groups to the South African government, which, you know, before apartheid fell.

00:33:54.000 It goes on and on like this.

00:33:56.000 And, you know, obviously the ADL was created as an anti-hate organization, but, you know.

00:34:03.000 They became the monster that they purported to fight.

00:34:06.000 It's the old Nietzschean paradox.

00:34:08.000 They are.

00:34:09.000 They are America's, like, them and the SPLC are America's like two premier hate groups in terms of who actually fans hatred in the United States.

00:34:16.000 It's the ADL.

00:34:17.000 It's the SPLC in that they smear people.

00:34:20.000 They encourage hate against groups of people. 0.67

00:34:24.000 They do this to basically everyone on the right by saying like, oh, you are white nationalists. 0.99

00:34:28.000 You are racist. 1.00

00:34:29.000 You are anti-Semites. 1.00

00:34:31.000 You are this, that, that.

00:34:32.000 When your real offense is just you're not a liberal.

00:34:35.000 Yeah.

00:34:35.000 And so look, the ADL is primarily financed by secular Jews who truly believe, and this is not an anti-Semitic trope.

00:34:44.000 This is a fact.

00:34:45.000 They are primarily financed by secular Jews who actually believe that the American right is modern Nazi, like Hitlerian fascism. 0.81

00:34:55.000 And the ADL stokes this.

00:34:56.000 Yes, they stoke it.

00:34:57.000 They feed into it.

00:34:59.000 I have met some of these ADL donors.

00:35:01.000 We didn't get along very well.

00:35:02.000 You know, because I went to all sorts of events.

00:35:04.000 When you're growing an organization, you get invited to something.

00:35:07.000 You go to everything, right?

00:35:08.000 And so I would go to these pro-Israel events and half the audience would be really conservative.

00:35:13.000 Half the audience would be not so conservative.

00:35:15.000 And I would talk, I would be like the only Christian there.

00:35:17.000 Tyler, you remember this.

00:35:18.000 You went to some of them with us, right?

00:35:19.000 All over the country.

00:35:20.000 It was really interesting.

00:35:21.000 We were only a few Christian non-Jews there.

00:35:23.000 And some people were like in favor of the ADL.

00:35:25.000 And you talk to them and they're super, super liberal.

00:35:28.000 But beyond being liberal, this is before Trump.

00:35:30.000 They were super convinced that the American conservative community, pre-Trump, was like the burgeoning up of the Third Reich.

00:35:38.000 Totally.

00:35:39.000 It's sad.

00:35:40.000 OCLC was so good at this.

00:35:42.000 Morris Steve was this direct mail kingpin. 0.98

00:35:44.000 And he'd send these things where it's like, you know, the fourth Reich is coming and it's in America and they're going to reopen Auschwitz and kill all people. 0.97

00:35:52.000 It's deranged.

00:35:53.000 They are manipulating people by fanning hysteria.

00:35:57.000 Promoting, yeah, they manipulate emotions.

00:35:59.000 They promote hatred.

00:36:00.000 And that is, in fact, what real hate groups are.

00:36:02.000 Well, and this is why, yeah, go ahead.

00:36:06.000 What I would say, and, you know, is, look, I, you know, I'm going to do that whole stereotypical thing of like, I've got a lot of Orthodox Jewish friends, but I do, right?

00:36:15.000 And I talk to them on a regular basis.

00:36:17.000 And what I would say is those guys tend to be conservative.

00:36:22.000 They tend to be Trump supporters.

00:36:24.000 So what I would ask is, why, if you're an ADL supporter, if you're an ADL donor, go to an Orthodox Jew and ask them, why don't you see it?

00:36:39.000 Why do you believe something, right?

00:36:42.000 Why do you believe something that these guys don't even see at all?

00:36:46.000 When they look at the American right, the conservative movement, Trump supporters, they don't see what it is you're talking about.

00:36:51.000 They don't see what it is you're talking about at all.

00:36:54.000 In fact, they disagree vehemently with what you said because they see the Abraham Accords, they see the Jerusalem Embassy, they see Jared Kushner and Ivanka, etc.

00:37:04.000 You can go down the entire list.

00:37:05.000 But have you ever actually tried having a conversation?

00:37:08.000 It's all masking.

00:37:09.000 Have a conversation and maybe you could actually come to an agreement on something instead of going in for these pressure campaigns and these crazy emotionally.

00:37:19.000 And I get it.

00:37:19.000 It's emotional.

00:37:20.000 It's emotional.

00:37:21.000 I understand that it's emotional.

00:37:22.000 But talk to some people who are in your own community who don't see it and ask them why it is that they don't see it.

00:37:31.000 Maybe there could be something you could chat about.

00:37:32.000 And I just want to just reiterate something.

00:37:35.000 You go to ADL.org.

00:37:37.000 This is the supply and demand problem, who Douglas Murray has pinpointed perfectly.

00:37:41.000 And I know he's not a fan favorite of everybody.

00:37:43.000 I happen to really like Douglas Murray.

00:37:44.000 But Douglas Murray had this great quote where he says, there's a lot of Russia, Douglas Murray.

00:37:50.000 I happen to like Douglas Murray.

00:37:52.000 Douglas Murray, I do.

00:37:53.000 I think he's very smart.

00:37:54.000 He's not right about everything.

00:37:55.000 Whatever.

00:37:55.000 Douglas Murray would say, he'd say there's a supply and demand problem of racism and bigotry and hate in the West.

00:38:02.000 And you have these nonprofits that are funded under the premise of fighting hate.

00:38:06.000 And they have to find hate where it doesn't exist.

00:38:09.000 And so, Jack, can you go through the numbers on ADL.org where literally like one-fourth of all numbers are considered hate symbols?

00:38:16.000 No, it's a real thing where at adl.org, like number one through 11 and 15, 20, 30, 50.

00:38:23.000 Like, it's not a joke where you have like one third of all the numbers.

00:38:28.000 No, it's not a joke.

00:38:30.000 One, yeah.

00:38:30.000 The numbers one to 11, 109, 110, 12, 13, 13, 52, 13, 90, 14, 14, 22, 23, 18, 21, 2, 12, 21, 23, 23, 16, 28, 311, 318, 33, 6, 38, 43, 511, 737, 83, and 88 are all hate symbols.

00:38:52.000 So there was a situation, by the way, a couple of weeks ago, Charlie, I know you remember this, where RFK Jr. tweeted something about the Secret Service, and people were actually claiming that because of the numbers in his tweet, it was a secretly coded hate message because some of the numbers in his tweet corresponded with numbers on the ADL's list.

00:39:14.000 So this is what's important, and this is where we need to go a level deeper.

00:39:18.000 This is how the SPLC operates in the ADL.

00:39:20.000 So the ADL, whatever, the Anti-Defamation League is near the same amount of budget of Turning Point USA.

00:39:27.000 We actually spend our money on real impact, right?

00:39:30.000 We educate students, millions of people, events, and all that.

00:39:33.000 Tons of staff.

00:39:33.000 Tons of staff, right?

00:39:34.000 The ADL doesn't do, they have some programming and stuff.

00:39:38.000 So what do they do?

00:39:40.000 Okay, this is where it gets real.

00:39:41.000 This is where it's not just an annoyance.

00:39:44.000 They primarily spend their energy and their money on meeting privately with corporations to get them to stop doing business with us.

00:39:53.000 This is what the SPLC has done.

00:39:55.000 And so they basically, they figured out that one of the great expenditures, one of the most effective expenditures on the left is to give money to these organizations, primarily the SPLC and the ADL.

00:40:06.000 So the ADL has really, they have figured out that social media is going to be their thing.

00:40:11.000 that they're going to lobby to social media companies saying anti-Semitism, anti-Semitism, anti-Semitism.

00:40:17.000 The SPLC, their big thing is credit card processing, right, Jack?

00:40:21.000 Is that correct, Blake?

00:40:23.000 Like movement of money, banking.

00:40:24.000 It's a critical of both.

00:40:25.000 I mean, ADL has an agreement with PayPal, which, by the way, obviously ties into an interesting Elon backstory because, of course, Elon comes directly from what they call the PayPal mafia.

00:40:36.000 This is also where Peter J. David Sachs, Peter Thiel, all that.

00:40:39.000 David Sachs, all those guys.

00:40:40.000 There's also a huge line here where a lot of this organization from the ADL was originally bankrolled by the Pierre Omidyar and the Omidyari network.

00:40:50.000 So the Omidyar network funded by him and a lot of the groups that went into this stop hate for profit, stop profiting from hate campaign originally to pressure advertisers, which was done on Facebook originally.

00:41:05.000 Zuck, of course, cocked immediately on this.

00:41:08.000 Elon is the one actually fighting back.

00:41:10.000 A lot of the organizations are also funded by Pierre Omidyar.

00:41:13.000 Who is Pierre Omidyar?

00:41:14.000 He's a French Iranian billionaire, the founder of eBay.

00:41:18.000 What's the tie between eBay and Elon?

00:41:20.000 eBay buys PayPal 1.5 billion and really is the one that launched the PayPal mafia.

00:41:27.000 So there's a lot of history here, a lot of background.

00:41:32.000 And what you're actually seeing on a higher level, if you look at it that way, isn't necessarily Charlie, like the issues that you and I are talking about on the surface level here.

00:41:41.000 There's actually a much higher level at the overstate level where it's a massive oligarch fight, massive billionaire fight.

00:41:47.000 So Blake, talk about what you just said in the chat.

00:41:49.000 It's important.

00:41:49.000 So the distinction with, this is somewhat just off my memory of how it goes, but SPLC's big talent is they are, you know, they're all about we track hate groups.

00:41:59.000 You know, there's 15 and joke.

00:42:01.000 Yeah, you know, Moms for Liberty is a hate group. 0.97

00:42:03.000 There's 15 white supremacist groups in Arizona or whatever.

00:42:06.000 Out of Twitter's trust council, even under Jack Dorsey.

00:42:09.000 And so they're the ones who kind of, so it's sort of this like, you know, you know, two fifths where what SPLC will do is they'll be the ones who say you're a hate group, you're a hate figure.

00:42:20.000 So either your organization or your specific person.

00:42:23.000 And then ADL is the one who seem to have more experience in leveraging that into you get banned from Twitter, you get, you know, you get no advertisers.

00:42:31.000 They're kind of good at that institutional manipulation.

00:42:34.000 SPLC, at least until a few years ago, had much more of that standing of being like, oh, well, they're experts on hate.

00:42:41.000 You know, they track these hate groups.

00:42:42.000 They're the ones who say hate incidents across America are up 45% because and all of that.

00:42:49.000 And they've also gotten spectacularly rich off that.

00:42:52.000 I think, in fact, they got, I think they got their endowment up to like 700 million at SPLC.

00:42:59.000 They have this huge headquarters in Max.

00:43:00.000 $400 million.

00:43:01.000 I'll check.

00:43:01.000 Yeah.

00:43:02.000 The poverty palace, I think they call it.

00:43:04.000 Oh, is that right?

00:43:04.000 Yeah, that's the nickname.

00:43:05.000 Even with staff, because staffers, I mean, liberals have been attacking the SPLC for decades.

00:43:12.000 I'm basically saying something.

00:43:14.000 I'm not bringing it up.

00:43:15.000 I'm not saying $123 million.

00:43:18.000 Is Alabama, that's like a blue state?

00:43:21.000 Are they a purple state?

00:43:22.000 Where do they fall politically, Alabama?

00:43:24.000 I mean, Alabama, they, man, you're right.

00:43:28.000 I mean, they have the SPLC there, and it just, it functions without any harassment.

00:43:32.000 So I have to assume it's a blue state without doing any further research.

00:43:36.000 It's got to be, I mean, deep blue, right?

00:43:38.000 Deep blue.

00:43:38.000 I would assume it's one of the most Democrat states.

00:43:40.000 Tyler, they have one of their expenditures on their 990 as voting programs.

00:43:46.000 Yeah.

00:43:47.000 They spent $767,000 as a C3 on voting programs.

00:43:51.000 Yeah.

00:43:52.000 That's anyway, I'm sure that's all kosher. 0.53

00:43:54.000 But no, but this is what's important.

00:43:55.000 Yeah, you're right, Blake.

00:43:56.000 I mean, I'm just at a loss for words.

00:43:58.000 They have $723 million in total assets.

00:44:02.000 Now, I just have to say, I'm impressed at how ineffective they are with this kind of, if we had this kind of resources at turning point, like game odds.

00:44:10.000 That's like a liberal arts college worth of like impotently building up humans.

00:44:13.000 No, I know.

00:44:14.000 I'm actually impressed that like actually, besides a couple of lists and lobbies.

00:44:18.000 If the Finland had that much money, we'd all be working four days a week and living and like living rich off of foreign tariffs right now.

00:44:25.000 Yeah, I mean, it's you go to the SPLC website, their hate watch, which is a joke, right?

00:44:31.000 But this is what's important: they create fake standards to then go to companies that don't know any better to bully and intimidate them to stop doing business with us.

00:44:41.000 So if you know about cancel culture deplatforming, it starts with these nonprofits where their full-time job is to do this.

00:44:48.000 Jack.

00:44:50.000 I mean, that's exactly right.

00:44:51.000 And keep in mind that whenever we bring up the SPLC, even though the fact that they were kicked out of Twitter's safety council, even under Jack Dorsey. 0.95

00:45:01.000 So even on the previous iteration of Twitter, when it was like liberal woke Twitter, said, no, no, you guys are just ridiculous.

00:45:07.000 They also inspired a mass shooting at a Christian organization, a psychotic individual by the name of Family Research Center, I think, right? 0.92

00:45:16.000 Targeted, yes, to our Tony Perkins and a family research council.

00:45:16.000 Yeah.

00:45:20.000 And Charlie, what he did, he went to the SPLC's hate watch map, looked up the closest location to him.

00:45:29.000 And before he went there to kill everybody at the Family Research Council, and fortunately he didn't because there was a security guard who was armed, by the way, and a good guy with a gun did what he was supposed to do.

00:45:40.000 Charlie, he stopped at a Chick-fil-A.

00:45:42.000 Do you know why he stopped at the Chick-fil-A, Charlie?

00:45:46.000 Because the Chick-fil-A funded the SPLC.

00:45:49.000 Because the section before that, but yes, that is true.

00:45:53.000 Because this guy, but no, you got to hear this. 0.96

00:45:56.000 So this guy, Floyd B. Corkins, his plan was that he was going to kill everybody inside the Family Research Council and then smear Chick-fil-A sandwiches all over their dead bodies.

00:46:08.000 So when he showed up, he actually had a bag of Chick-fil-A sandwiches with him.

00:46:12.000 That's what the SPLC is up to.

00:46:15.000 So, Blake, how can we stop the SPLC?

00:46:17.000 What could the Alabama Attorney General do?

00:46:20.000 I mean, it would help to just be like, okay, you guys have $750 million and you have about 30 years of liberals saying like, wow, this organization's kind of bullcrap and lies to everyone.

00:46:30.000 And they also had a big sexual harassment scandal four years ago, I think.

00:46:34.000 And they were like, we're going to investigate this.

00:46:36.000 We're going to hire Obama alumni to investigate this.

00:46:39.000 That was never mentioned again.

00:46:40.000 That was entirely brushed under the rug.

00:46:42.000 So like, would it kill the Alabama AG's office?

00:46:45.000 Just, you know, detail a few lawyers onto that and see what they can dig up.

00:46:50.000 It seems like they have a lot of bitter ex employees. 0.99

00:46:52.000 So the other one.

00:46:53.000 Jason Keith is getting investigated for writing Uber black.

00:46:56.000 Yeah, by the Westchester DA, a local DA who should be worried about rape, murder, arson, theft, dogs urinating on the wrong lawn.

00:47:05.000 Like, that's what DAs do, okay?

00:47:07.000 Like, I don't know, someone going and smashing mailboxes, DA, okay?

00:47:10.000 Traffic violation, DA, DUI, DU, not, hey, I have a charity and I did Uber black one too many times.

00:47:18.000 By the way, he didn't.

00:47:19.000 Let's just be very clear.

00:47:21.000 And so, but our side doesn't fight.

00:47:23.000 That's how it is.

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00:48:38.000 All right, so many people are asking on thought crimes, and there are some rumble rants.

00:48:42.000 Charlie and team, what are your comments about the man who claimed he had sex with Barack Obama?

00:48:50.000 Let's play, I believe him.

00:48:52.000 Well, hold on, let's play this piece of tape. 0.86

00:48:54.000 Ryan has it, and this will establish cut 87, man who claims that he had sex with Barack Obama.

00:49:00.000 I want to start by thanking Harvey Weinstein for this.

00:49:04.000 Is possible because of Harvey?

00:49:06.000 Uh, he is a wonderful human being, a good friend, and uh, just a powerhouse.

00:49:13.000 I'm sorry, I'm sorry, that's Michelle Obama.

00:49:15.000 Just wrong, wrong clip.

00:49:16.000 It's totally the wrong clip.

00:49:18.000 Was that Whoopi Goldberg behind her?

00:49:20.000 Totally, Ryan.

00:49:21.000 I told you not to have that.

00:49:24.000 We have to be more precise.

00:49:26.000 Who was the other person the other day?

00:49:27.000 So, Larry Sinclair is obviously what we're talking about, not Michelle Obama.

00:49:30.000 No, no, that's Larry Sinclair, which we already talked about, which we already talked about too.

00:49:35.000 We brought up today.

00:49:38.000 What should we call it?

00:49:39.000 The town that it happened in Chicago?

00:49:42.000 No, it was, but it wasn't in Gurney.

00:49:46.000 Is that what they explained?

00:49:48.000 I swear that's the story, though.

00:49:49.000 It was in Gurney, Illinois.

00:49:51.000 Did it happen in Gurney, right near Six Flags? 0.97

00:49:54.000 That's like the weirdest place to have like cochead gay stories. 1.00

00:49:58.000 So, you have to tell everybody about Gurney. 0.97

00:50:00.000 You have to explain Gurney to people.

00:50:01.000 Okay, so before we get into that, I feel obliged to do this.

00:50:04.000 So, we had Jan Cox so four did pay for a Rumble rant.

00:50:07.000 A vote from you guys: Is Larry Sinclair legit?

00:50:11.000 Raise your hands, RNC debate style.

00:50:14.000 Uh, let's do it.

00:50:15.000 Raise your hands if you think about it.

00:50:16.000 We raised the hands and they took it off.

00:50:18.000 So, no one has that much detail.

00:50:20.000 He said, Gurney, Charlie, Charlie's pulling into Santa Son as he's looking forward to that.

00:50:24.000 Yeah, but let me tell you why. 0.77

00:50:25.000 I actually don't trust him, but I do think that here's what I'll say: if you if you grow up in Chicago politics, okay, it is very well known that Obama's gay. 0.58

00:50:34.000 Okay, have you listened to the music he likes?

00:50:36.000 Yeah, I mean, but by the way, it's just I was heard from so many people.

00:50:40.000 Have you paid attention to literally anything about Barack Obama?

00:50:44.000 Yes, and so do we have any clip of Larry Sinclair?

00:50:48.000 Have you seen him ride a bike?

00:50:49.000 Down low Barry, call him down low Barry.

00:50:52.000 Let's put Cut 81.

00:50:53.000 This is Barack Obama prancing around.

00:50:56.000 Yep, there he is.

00:51:01.000 It's quite an oppo-dump in case they were thinking of all of a sudden putting Michelle Obama as the new candidate.

00:51:07.000 Well, yes.

00:51:08.000 So, so a three-dimensional chess, Joe Biden campaign launches Larry Sinclair out.

00:51:14.000 Four-dimensional chess, right?

00:51:17.000 Because this isn't the first thing this has happened recently, right?

00:51:20.000 There's been a couple other.

00:51:21.000 There was like some letter that came out recently that Obama had written to a girlfriend when he was in college.

00:51:27.000 I think he was in the University of Chicago about how he fantasizes. 1.00

00:51:31.000 I have sex with gay men every night in my dreams. 1.00

00:51:33.000 And it's like in his handwriting and nobody disputed it. 1.00

00:51:37.000 I feel almost like what's going on here is someone is sending a message to the Obama camp.

00:51:44.000 And it wouldn't surprise me if it was like Hillary or maybe even Newsome, Hillary and Newsome working together to obviously send a message that all of this is going to come out.

00:51:54.000 The other explanation that started this is that Chef was found dead in the lake, right?

00:51:59.000 And that just kind of just got people.

00:52:01.000 Battlebork.

00:52:02.000 Right.

00:52:02.000 Of course, Blake says, nothing is here.

00:52:04.000 You're totally normal.

00:52:05.000 Chef's in the lake.

00:52:06.000 Obviously, it's totally normal.

00:52:07.000 We shouldn't even think about it.

00:52:09.000 If you do, you're committing a thought crime.

00:52:10.000 Okay, here's the clip I meant to Ryan play, not of Michelle.

00:52:16.000 Play Cut 73.

00:52:17.000 Donald Young is a choir director and a school teacher.

00:52:21.000 He was the choir director at Jeremiah Wright's Church in Chicago, the same church that Barack Obama went to.

00:52:28.000 He was also a very openly gay black man, but very well respected.

00:52:34.000 Did you know him?

00:52:35.000 I had never met him.

00:52:37.000 I had not even realized that the person who was communicating with me had been killed until a good two months after.

00:52:48.000 Donald Young's own mother has repeatedly said that she feels that her son died to protect Barack Obama.

00:52:56.000 Okay, and then let's continue with cut 74.

00:52:58.000 The last conversation that I had had with Donald Young, he had actually come clean and said that he had been asked to call me and that his job was to get as much information from me as far as who I had spoken to, who I had given any information to, and to get that to them.

00:53:19.000 He had told me to be careful, to watch myself, and to understand that the Barack Obama campaign was not in any way, shape, or form going to acknowledge anything or come out about anything.

00:53:33.000 And he had made it clear that he had known Barack for quite some time and had had an intimate relationship with Barack for quite some time.

00:53:40.000 He told you that.

00:53:41.000 Yep.

00:53:42.000 Okay.

00:53:42.000 So first of all, let's just get our facts straight.

00:53:45.000 This guy allegedly had gay sex with Obama. 0.98

00:53:46.000 So this meant, yeah, Larry Sinclair allegedly did stuff with Obama. 0.99

00:53:52.000 And then now he's saying Donald Young, who was a choir director at Jeremiah Wright's Church.

00:53:57.000 You remember that guy?

00:53:59.000 He also was apparently openly gay and he was killed. 0.80

00:54:02.000 And even though Chicago has, you know, what, 500, 700 murders a year, we're going to suppose that this one might have been that the Obama campaign, which didn't kill Larry Sinclair, despite him having sex with Larry Sinclair. 0.71

00:54:15.000 They took out Donald Young.

00:54:16.000 And so now we've got a murder conspiracy.

00:54:19.000 Got it.

00:54:19.000 It's the perfect crime.

00:54:21.000 I'll admit, I find that one a little dubious.

00:54:25.000 You know, I dislike Obama in a lot of ways, but I don't think his campaign was going around icing people before the 08 election.

00:54:34.000 For one, I think Hillary Clinton probably would have pointed that out.

00:54:38.000 Maybe not. 0.95

00:54:40.000 She wasn't competent, but I think they would have tried. 1.00

00:54:44.000 So the question is, Jack, is Barack Obama a gay cokehead? 1.00

00:54:49.000 I mean, at this point, it seems like we've got a lot of evidence coming forward. 0.99

00:54:56.000 And like I said before, I think that a message is clearly being sent to the Obama camp, the Obama family right now, whether it's from the Chicago machine or you got to understand that the Democrats operate, they are a machine of machines, a mafia of mafias, if you will.

00:55:15.000 And so the Biden side of things was just sort of a, they have no actual power, right?

00:55:21.000 They were a means to an end.

00:55:22.000 And so Biden's propped up there, but nobody actually cares about Hunter.

00:55:24.000 He's causing a lot of problems for people.

00:55:26.000 Nobody cares about Jill.

00:55:28.000 Sorry, Dr. Jill.

00:55:29.000 It's just true.

00:55:30.000 And certainly nobody cares about Joe Biden, but they want to use him because he polls well and his name polls well.

00:55:34.000 He's very well tested from his era with Obama being sort of Obama's buddy.

00:55:38.000 So it seems like a message is being sent to Obama from someone in terms of all of this.

00:55:45.000 That's why you're seeing all of this come out right now.

00:55:48.000 And my big question isn't necessarily, okay, does it hurt Obama?

00:55:53.000 My big question is who benefits?

00:55:54.000 Cui bono.

00:55:55.000 Who is benefiting from all of this coming out and why now, all of a sudden?

00:56:00.000 I guess the question is, do we benefit?

00:56:03.000 The reaction on Twitter has interested me.

00:56:05.000 Like the left has actually not really responded.

00:56:07.000 They're kind of ignoring it, right?

00:56:08.000 They're ignoring amazing.

00:56:10.000 And the right is actually, you know, decently split.

00:56:12.000 Obviously, we have to admit, this is all extremely funny.

00:56:15.000 Like the trailer, as Tucker released it, is super funny.

00:56:19.000 And it's just like, and then he put his arm on your leg, you know, all of that.

00:56:23.000 The obvious question is, what was he like on crack?

00:56:25.000 We all, obviously, we all like Tucker.

00:56:27.000 Tucker's really interesting.

00:56:29.000 And I think there was a reaction of a lot of people on Twitter, which was, is this, should we be talking about this actually?

00:56:36.000 Like, you know, given we've got, you know, it's weird for him to go straight from interviewing like Victor Orban about like how to preserve your country as a citadel of Western Christian civilization against globalization and LGBT and mass immigration and all that.

00:56:51.000 And then be like, and now we're going to go to this guy who says he didn't crack with Obama.

00:56:57.000 That there is, that there is.

00:56:59.000 Not just crack.

00:57:00.000 Play cut 31 for the trailer.

00:57:02.000 Blowing whistles.

00:57:04.000 You're just a guy who's in town for the night, and it sounds like you're looking to party.

00:57:07.000 Yeah.

00:57:08.000 Pulled up in a bar outside, and there's this guy that's introduced to me as Barack Obama.

00:57:13.000 I had given Barack $250 to pay for Coke.

00:57:17.000 I start putting a line on a CD tray to snort.

00:57:21.000 And next thing I know, he's got a little pipe and he's smoking.

00:57:24.000 So I just started rubbing my hand along his thigh to see where it was going.

00:57:28.000 And it went the direction I had intended it to go. 0.98

00:57:32.000 Even though you had sex with him twice, you did cocaine with him, watched him smoke crack twice.

00:57:35.000 You had no idea who he was.

00:57:37.000 I had no idea who he was.

00:57:39.000 The obvious question was: what was Obama like on crack?

00:57:42.000 Is it your sense that that's who Obama is? 0.58

00:57:43.000 Just transactional or that he's bisexual, or like, what is this?

00:57:47.000 It definitely wasn't Barack's first time.

00:57:49.000 And I would almost be willing to bet you it wasn't as long. 0.99

00:57:52.000 The guy's running for president and credible information comes out that he's smoking crack and having sex with dudes. 0.97

00:57:58.000 That seems like a story. 0.73

00:58:00.000 Well, it would be a story if the media really cared about telling people the truth.

00:58:07.000 All right.

00:58:07.000 Blake, awesome.

00:58:08.000 It sounds like he was a selfish lover.

00:58:10.000 Well, I don't, I don't want to get anything in return.

00:58:13.000 I'm just happy to make a man happy.

00:58:15.000 Like just very bizarre.

00:58:18.000 Just the tone of it is very like the dramatic music versus this guy who sounds like a family guy, that family guy creeper character.

00:58:27.000 So, Tyler, Gurney, Illinois.

00:58:30.000 Is that where this happened?

00:58:31.000 Gurney, Illinois?

00:58:34.000 I really wasn't paying attention to any of it until I heard Gurney.

00:58:37.000 Well, hold on.

00:58:37.000 That makes me believe it less, to be honest.

00:58:39.000 Like, what was Barack Obama doing up in Gurney, Illinois?

00:58:42.000 Rider rides.

00:58:43.000 He was riding.

00:58:44.000 He was riding lots of rides.

00:58:45.000 It's right near Six Flags.

00:58:47.000 It's like right on the border.

00:58:48.000 There's nothing.

00:58:49.000 If you've driven between Chicago and Milwaukee, you'll drive right by and you won't really even realize where you're at, but it's the middle of freaking nowhere.

00:58:56.000 It's the middle of nowhere.

00:58:57.000 It's like farms.

00:58:57.000 It's so far away.

00:58:58.000 I spent a lot of time.

00:58:59.000 We had an office right there.

00:59:00.000 It was a very important time there.

00:59:01.000 A lot of Gurney.

00:59:02.000 Very important time of my life.

00:59:03.000 Not Gurney, but Great Lakes is right there.

00:59:07.000 Yeah, Lake Michigan is there.

00:59:08.000 The Navy boot camp is right there.

00:59:10.000 No, that's right.

00:59:11.000 Right near Zion Benton.

00:59:12.000 You're right.

00:59:12.000 U.S. Naval Station, Great Lakes.

00:59:14.000 That is true.

00:59:16.000 So, Jack, does this matter?

00:59:18.000 I guess the question is: I guess Barack Obama has just been lying to us.

00:59:20.000 If it's true, I guess that's the next media spend story. 0.98

00:59:23.000 Who cares if he's gay? 1.00

00:59:26.000 You know who the real person who's mad is? 0.98

00:59:28.000 Pete Budajech. 0.99

00:59:29.000 He would be the first gay president. 0.56

00:59:30.000 Well, yeah, LBJ was. 0.95

00:59:33.000 And the thing is, is a lot of people wonder if Pete Buttigieg is really gay.

00:59:36.000 Yeah, Pete Buttigieg is more straightforward. 0.98

00:59:38.000 PJ was actually omnisexual because he would have sex with anything. 0.97

00:59:41.000 Who LBJ? 0.99

00:59:43.000 Yes.

00:59:43.000 I mean, given the stories you can read about LBJ, yeah, seems so.

00:59:48.000 Yeah.

00:59:50.000 It was really, he was really after he called it.

00:59:53.000 He was really after JFK.

00:59:54.000 So, but, but, Jack, should this story matter?

00:59:58.000 Well, I think it should matter for a lot of reasons, Charlie.

01:00:00.000 I mean, when it's I said to somebody who was involved with the interview the other day when we were chatting about it, and I said, you know, it's amazing to me that the media will force feed us, you know, Donald Trump's second cousins, IT staffers, you know, roommate, and all of a sudden he's being charged over this.

01:00:19.000 And we know all of these basic facts about Trump's life, his family, his extended family, turning them into stuff.

01:00:25.000 But when it comes to a guy who's Barack Obama, who was president for twice as long as Trump was, right?

01:00:30.000 You could ask any American basic facts about him, and they just don't know, right?

01:00:34.000 There's this huge black hole about Barack Obama's past that has always been there and has never really been opened.

01:00:43.000 It's just never been opened.

01:00:44.000 And so I do think that we should actually ask questions about who our leaders are, how they got there, and how we as a country got to where we are.

01:00:53.000 Yeah, I mean, they pulled up, you know, behind the scenes tape of Donald Trump.

01:00:59.000 They probably listened to thousands and thousands of hours of Donald Trump on camera for decades.

01:01:06.000 But like, again, like, I was just pulling up in there.

01:01:09.000 Like, does anybody ever talk about, you know, Brock's Columbia roommate who happens to be gay and like isn't hiding in Seattle and never wants to talk to the press?

01:01:20.000 You know, these, there's all this stuff.

01:01:22.000 Like, I mean, whoa, is that you on the screen there?

01:01:26.000 Got that big mustache.

01:01:27.000 Yeah, that actually grew my mustache.

01:01:30.000 Tell us about your, what was it like being roommates with Barack Obama?

01:01:33.000 Or as in 79, a down low, down low Barry.

01:01:39.000 See, since the first day I was in the movement in the conservative movement, people in Chicago would be like, you know, Barack Obama's part of the down low gang.

01:01:46.000 And I was like, come on.

01:01:47.000 And you start to hear it from more and more credible people, like state senators that served with him. 0.98

01:01:52.000 They're like, he's 100% gay. 1.00

01:01:53.000 And it's just like no one, I guess, really cared, Blake.

01:01:57.000 You're Normie on this.

01:01:57.000 So where are you at?

01:01:58.000 Yeah, but is it ride a bike?

01:02:01.000 As the resident Normie here, I don't really think Larry Sinclair is telling the truth, but I'm with you.

01:02:07.000 I'm not even convinced of him.

01:02:08.000 I think we have a lot of evidence to believe that Barack is a down low brother.

01:02:14.000 I think I actually was not that convinced by Larry. 0.98

01:02:16.000 He just kind of seems like a crazy person.

01:02:17.000 And Gurney, Illinois, lose me. 0.97

01:02:18.000 There's no way. 1.00

01:02:19.000 But I mean, I think Obama's gay. 0.99

01:02:22.000 So I think so. 0.98

01:02:25.000 I think there's a mountain of evidence. 0.70

01:02:27.000 Now, I guess, as we've said on our show, I don't know how much gay stuff he's done.

01:02:33.000 Now, here's the real question. 0.62

01:02:35.000 Here's the 5D chess.

01:02:36.000 Is the Obama camp leaking this out to increase Michelle Obama's likability?

01:02:41.000 I had a bisexual husband my whole life and we still made it work.

01:02:46.000 Plague Cut 64.

01:02:48.000 And do you think that the country will see the first, the United States will see the first gay president or the first woman president? 0.94

01:03:01.000 I'm sorry, she's a what? 0.99

01:03:03.000 A transgender. 0.93

01:03:04.000 We all know. 0.98

01:03:05.000 Oh my gosh.

01:03:07.000 It's so good.

01:03:10.000 Oh my God.

01:03:11.000 This is, I'll admit it's funny, but like I am meeting more and more people who believe this is literally true.

01:03:17.000 And I do, I do have to put the rigs on this.

01:03:18.000 Like, guys, we're projecting back here.

01:03:21.000 Like, we have Michelle Obama's high school photos like in her yearbook.

01:03:25.000 We have her thesis, as we've read on our, on the show before, which is, it's really bad psychobabble.

01:03:31.000 And it's not, it doesn't talk about, you know, her being, you know, a biological male and struggling with that at Princeton.

01:03:37.000 So it'd be quite the psyop for them to have covered that all up for years in advance, but it is funny.

01:03:44.000 And, you know, so it will endure because it is funny.

01:03:48.000 I mean, the one thing I will say that it reminds me of is that Obama admitted in his memoir that he smoked like a pack of cigarettes a day when he was in the White House.

01:04:02.000 And yet you can barely find any photos of him.

01:04:06.000 And we all know the White House is one of the most heavily, needily photographed areas in the entire country.

01:04:13.000 Yet there's hardly any photos of this.

01:04:16.000 And so this was a secret that the Washington Press, the White House correspondents, they were all in, etc.

01:04:23.000 We're all in on for eight years.

01:04:26.000 They maintained this, that people would go around.

01:04:28.000 And I remember from covering the White House when I was there in the Trump years, that you would just, you would see the president.

01:04:33.000 You'd see him going here.

01:04:34.000 You'd see him going there.

01:04:34.000 You'd see him at a meeting.

01:04:36.000 He lived there too.

01:04:36.000 He worked there, right?

01:04:37.000 So you'd see him around all the time.

01:04:39.000 The idea that this guy could hide smoking and the media just wouldn't take photos of it and kept it a secret for eight years leads me to believe that, yes, there are lots of things that they would be willing to hide to protect their guys.

01:04:52.000 And does it matter, Blake?

01:04:53.000 Does it, is this, is this something that matters?

01:04:56.000 In a weird way, I think the answer is no.

01:04:58.000 And it's not because it's because the entire Obama presidency is actually a black hole.

01:05:04.000 There's another guy on Twitter, Paul Scalis, the Lindyman guy.

01:05:07.000 Lindy Man.

01:05:08.000 He was president for eight years.

01:05:10.000 And what's his cultural impact?

01:05:11.000 What do you most remember about it?

01:05:13.000 It's like even Obamacare.

01:05:14.000 Can you even remember what Obamacare did?

01:05:16.000 It's just his entire presidency is just sort of this, like compared to Bush before him, compared to Trump afterwards, compared to even to Biden.

01:05:23.000 It's just like the whole thing never happened.

01:05:25.000 Like the movies that came out then barely matter.

01:05:27.000 The websites that were big then are like all defunct now.

01:05:30.000 Like there's no aesthetic changes whatsoever.

01:05:34.000 That's the biggest diff the biggest difference is in the effect it had on race relations.

01:05:38.000 Well, he had Obama talking about Obamacare, Kagan, and Sodomayor would be his.

01:05:42.000 Yeah, and like the great awokening happens in his second term.

01:05:45.000 But even that's much more in the staffing of the bureaucracy.

01:05:47.000 And that's, but even that's much more associated with Trump who came after.

01:05:51.000 Like Obama himself, it's just like, it's like the dude never happened.

01:05:56.000 Other than on right-wing Twitter, where we still watch Johnny Hill.

01:06:00.000 We barely, this is the first time we've actually talked about Obama in years.

01:06:05.000 Like as long as you're talking is that anyone who spent time with him in the Senate, he's incredibly lazy. 0.98

01:06:12.000 He's a very lazy person.

01:06:14.000 Now, that is not the case of Kamala Harris, like incredibly ambitious.

01:06:18.000 Obama's not that ambitious. 1.00

01:06:20.000 Obama Harris worked hard to sleep her way at the top. 1.00

01:06:22.000 No, she, she did it the old-fashioned way. 0.99

01:06:24.000 She did it with what, that guy's named Lamar or Jamal or Damar.

01:06:28.000 What was his name?

01:06:30.000 And with she with Slick Willie.

01:06:35.000 Yeah, Willie Brown.

01:06:36.000 Willie Brown.

01:06:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:06:37.000 And then she also, yeah, I mean, she slept with everybody on her way up. 1.00

01:06:40.000 She did it the old-fashioned way. 0.71

01:06:42.000 And I mean, like Gavin Newsom works very.

01:06:45.000 Yeah, yeah, that's right.

01:06:46.000 Monte.

01:06:47.000 That was close.

01:06:48.000 And so Gavin Newsom was doing everything he possibly, I mean, he's super ambitious.

01:06:52.000 Obama's lazy. 0.98

01:06:53.000 Obama's a very lazy person. 0.97

01:06:56.000 I interned with a senator a decade ago who played in the Senate Basketball League because Obama was famous for all his basketball shots. 0.97

01:07:04.000 Oh, he's so good at basketball.

01:07:05.000 He's like, Obama didn't even play basketball.

01:07:07.000 That was all fake.

01:07:09.000 Yeah, he's not even, and he can't even throw a baseball.

01:07:11.000 Definitely can't throw a baseball.

01:07:14.000 Now, do we have a video of his little limp wrist baseball throw?

01:07:18.000 Do you think him and Sinclair might have done other things with baseballs?

01:07:22.000 Like what?

01:07:23.000 I'm not going to, dude, if your imagination can't fill in the rest, I'm not filling it in.

01:07:33.000 I disagree with you guys on the legacy of Barack Obama.

01:07:38.000 I think the greatest legacy that he has is guys like Eric Holder, who went on.

01:07:43.000 I mean, the guys that actually have puppeteered this country now and have made such negative impact.

01:07:49.000 And never forget, Eric Holder was originally put in by Ronald Reagan.

01:07:55.000 So, you know, if there's one thing that I actually am very negative about Ronald Reagan about is that you just, you can't put anyone.

01:08:04.000 This is why the conservative movement has to do.

01:08:07.000 Well, I'm just saying, if there's one thing that I think has been the biggest negative impact in the country, Eric Holder came straight out of the Obama administration trying to manipulate our entire country.

01:08:16.000 And he's been doing it ever since.

01:08:18.000 And most of the things that we complain about every single day are the product of Eric Holder.

01:08:22.000 If you want to talk about Googling and not finding anything on the internet about anyone, try to look up where Eric Holder is today. 0.95

01:08:28.000 He's a thug. 0.96

01:08:29.000 He's an apparition. 1.00

01:08:30.000 You can't find him.

01:08:32.000 No one's tracking him.

01:08:33.000 And yet he's one of the most powerful, most influential people.

01:08:36.000 He's a construct past the Obama administration.

01:08:39.000 So your point.

01:08:40.000 I think that's a great point.

01:08:42.000 Oh, I was going to say that, Tyler, that could you imagine if we had the power of Google like 2014, 2013 back?

01:08:51.000 Do you guys remember how good Google and YouTube search algorithms used to be, where you could actually type in whatever you want, and boom, you would get the information and you would even find information that was relevant to what you actually wanted?

01:09:04.000 This is before all the force algorithms and the SEO and the advertising changed everything.

01:09:10.000 You could find whatever you want on Eric Hold.

01:09:12.000 It was an actual free internet that existed for this like this like brief shining moment.

01:09:19.000 And now for anybody who's coming in in the TikTok era or the X era, they have no idea what they missed out on because the internet actually used to be amazing.

01:09:29.000 And by the way, it's because of groups like the ADL, like the SPLC, like other people that have taken it away from us.

01:09:35.000 No.

01:09:36.000 And I just want to say this with a piggyback on that.

01:09:39.000 Guys like Eric Holder, they curate every single sentence that's on the internet about the guy.

01:09:46.000 And it's the same thing as Obama.

01:09:48.000 Every single thing.

01:09:49.000 If you watch it, they're a simulation, man.

01:09:51.000 You will never, you won't, you didn't even realize it's happening.

01:09:54.000 He's the same way.

01:09:55.000 What's that?

01:09:56.000 Buddha Judge is a creation.

01:09:57.000 They have a lot of this and it's and it's crazy.

01:10:01.000 It's unbelievable that no article doesn't even have the word pedophile.

01:10:06.000 Okay, so let's get to Barry Sotero, chief operating officer of the Tomb Gang and member of the down low club, play cut 92.

01:10:15.000 Commander in chief, clad in the white socks jacket and those jeans and lollipop curving, the Albert Pooh Holsten.

01:10:25.000 Well, they said lollipop.

01:10:28.000 They said it.

01:10:29.000 They said it.

01:10:30.000 Pooh holes and poo holes. 1.00

01:10:32.000 That's a gay throw right there. 1.00

01:10:34.000 That's a pretty gay throw. 0.97

01:10:35.000 By the way, what's with those jeans? 0.95

01:10:37.000 Can we play this again?

01:10:38.000 Here's Barrick Hussein, Barry Sotero, otherwise known as Play Cut 92 again.

01:10:44.000 Commander-in-Chief, clad in the white socks jacket and those jeans and Lollipop Curving, the Albert Pooh Holsten.

01:10:53.000 Well, who's the broadcaster there?

01:10:56.000 I don't know.

01:10:56.000 He was probably fired and found on a lake after that.

01:10:58.000 Yeah, he's like, no, I think the bike is more of an indictment.

01:11:04.000 The big legacy of Obama, you're right, is the personnel.

01:11:08.000 Is the bureaucracy.

01:11:09.000 And, I mean, the Biden administration is overwhelmingly a bunch of Obama reduxes, as you'd expect.

01:11:15.000 But we do have one positive thing, which is the 10 seconds of Obama.

01:11:19.000 He nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court.

01:11:22.000 And I think the experience of sharing a court with Sonia Sotomayor for 15 years is probably a pretty big factor in why the Supreme Court did just strike down affirmative action in a lot of America's colleges this last summer.

01:11:36.000 So we could have positive outcomes from the Obama personnel legacy, too. 0.93

01:11:40.000 But definitely, I mean, Valerie Jarrett, who is, she's a hard worker. 0.98

01:11:44.000 She was there from day one to the last day of the administration. 0.92

01:11:46.000 She never left.

01:11:47.000 Her number one job was staffing the agencies.

01:11:49.000 And she did a good job of that.

01:11:51.000 She did a great job of that.

01:11:52.000 That is absolutely true.

01:11:53.000 So final thoughts on this before we have a deep web reveal, too.

01:11:56.000 I'm sure we do, Blake, right?

01:11:57.000 We have a whole additional topic to hit before we even get to that.

01:12:01.000 Unless we're shooting that down.

01:12:03.000 Is it?

01:12:04.000 Well, how about we talk about, we could audible to the NFL, or we could talk about Pence versus populism.

01:12:09.000 That's a good one.

01:12:10.000 Which is the Deep Web Reveal?

01:12:12.000 It's a secret.

01:12:14.000 Because we went long on a couple other things, let's save this Deep Web Reveal because it's not a short one.

01:12:18.000 All right, yeah, then let's end with Pence and Populism because that's fun.

01:12:22.000 It's steady.

01:12:23.000 Let's end Pence.

01:12:24.000 How about that?

01:12:25.000 It's not as controversial as Barack Obama.

01:12:29.000 All right.

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01:14:01.000 Okay, let's play Cut 94.

01:14:03.000 Get it ready, guys.

01:14:04.000 This is Mike Pence, who refers to Donald Trump in a very specific way.

01:14:09.000 There's a lot here to unpack.

01:14:10.000 We'll spend the remainder of our show talking about it.

01:14:12.000 Tyler, I know, will have some very pointed remarks because he has been warning about Pence for a lot longer than I have.

01:14:19.000 That's for sure.

01:14:19.000 Play Cut 94.

01:14:21.000 And one of the lines you're set to deliver is that, are we going to follow the siren song of populism away from the timeless conservative principles of the Republican Party?

01:14:31.000 To whom are you referring?

01:14:33.000 Right.

01:14:35.000 Well, look, you look at this Republican field, whether it's my former running mate or some of his imitators.

01:14:42.000 And there is a push in this Republican primary to move us away from our party's historic commitment to American leadership on the world stage, to a commitment to fiscal responsibility and reform in the face of a massive national debt crisis.

01:14:59.000 And many of those people I shared the stage with, including my former running mate who wasn't there, want to marginalize the right to life and relegate it to a state's only issue.

01:15:08.000 Okay, so Tyler, I'm going to throw this one to you first.

01:15:12.000 My former running mate.

01:15:14.000 So that's a far fall from, you know, after the election ended in 2020.

01:15:21.000 This is important.

01:15:22.000 At the turning point USA Summit.

01:15:23.000 We talked about that at the turning point USA Summit, reiterating again and again, and we've heard this so many times.

01:15:28.000 How great Trump is.

01:15:29.000 He gives a Reagan quote, and then he says, my second favorite president behind Donald J. That's actually a great point.

01:15:37.000 Jack, you should do a glamour highlight reel all the times Pence was playing.

01:15:41.000 I said that literally 20, like that same line like 20 times.

01:15:45.000 The Trump Pence administration.

01:15:47.000 He does that weird loud whisper kind of thing.

01:15:49.000 He's a loud whisperer.

01:15:50.000 No, it's called fake stoicism is what I call it.

01:15:53.000 The Trump Pence administration is fighting hard to protect the border.

01:16:00.000 And under our administration, I told the president of Mexico, stop.

01:16:09.000 You stop right there.

01:16:10.000 It's got a weird, like, it's like this over-rehearsed, fake 1994 action movie president.

01:16:16.000 Yeah, it is.

01:16:17.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:16:18.000 It's like Michael Douglas, you know, in like a, in the tryouts for West Wing.

01:16:23.000 It's like, all right, he's just mainlining.

01:16:26.000 Come on, get it in.

01:16:27.000 Get it in there.

01:16:27.000 I will tell you.

01:16:29.000 Nope, try it again.

01:16:31.000 I will.

01:16:33.000 It's so, it's such an injustice to Michael Douglas.

01:16:35.000 It's so preachy.

01:16:37.000 West Wing was pretty preachy, too.

01:16:39.000 Well, here's the deal about this subject matter here.

01:16:43.000 Let's just focus on populism real quickly.

01:16:45.000 There's like this desire for all of these like rhino, moderate, establishment, coke, weirdos to like brand populism as some kind of like real strong issue, issue-based ideology, which that's not the case.

01:17:05.000 The case of populism is that we listen to the little guys.

01:17:10.000 You listen to the voters.

01:17:11.000 You listen to the voters.

01:17:13.000 It's not hard.

01:17:13.000 So every time, he cracks me up every time he said this.

01:17:16.000 They're trying to make a boogeyman out of populism constantly.

01:17:19.000 Because they don't want to listen to voters.

01:17:20.000 Well, because they just want to recreate this false conservative.

01:17:23.000 So what the voters have figured out is there was actually a fake conservatism that they overuse and nearly destroyed the term.

01:17:31.000 And this reminds me of the Tories.

01:17:32.000 I said we could talk more about this against Brexit.

01:17:36.000 And they villainize this term populism, which the left and the right both use, which just means that we're going to listen to the people and it's anti-establishment, right?

01:17:46.000 That's all it is.

01:17:47.000 It's all it means.

01:17:48.000 And it's also just we don't want four branches of government, we want three.

01:17:50.000 Like it's really simple stuff.

01:17:51.000 It's anti-establishment, anti-elitism, anti-neoliberalism, right?

01:17:55.000 Anti-foreign wars, anti-bringing in plastic, anti-keeping borders open.

01:17:59.000 And like, you don't even, you don't even need to call it like populism if you don't want to.

01:18:03.000 It's so much of it is just a tonal thing of like, hey, guys, I've been around for a long time and I'm tired of a Republican Party that essentially has ceded all moral high ground to the left in terms of what they're allowed to think and what they're allowed to say.

01:18:16.000 And then also just like keeps shooting itself in the foot by like, oh, let's blow, let's blow up another Middle Eastern country again. 0.99

01:18:22.000 And, you know, suddenly like that fake conservative ideology went on the outs.

01:18:28.000 And so now Mike Pence has to try it out.

01:18:31.000 So populism is a big threat.

01:18:33.000 So, so, Charlie, like you're in the biz, right?

01:18:37.000 Isn't it interesting, though, how the way the term populism has really taken off in the last, yes, I don't know, seven, eight years or so, as opposed to the word conservatism, because it's really become, and you know, and Blake, I get what you're saying is you don't necessarily doesn't fit necessarily the textbook definition of populism, but it describes the difference and the distinction between whatever MAGA is and whatever came before.

01:19:05.000 And, Charlie, do you have you seen that use of the term inside the party that way?

01:19:09.000 Yeah, it's there's, I'd say this: the rank and the rank and file don't mind the term populism.

01:19:16.000 A lot of think tank people and some donors really don't like it.

01:19:20.000 They hate it, they hate it.

01:19:21.000 And I'll tell you, they hate it because it goes against some of their invested corporate interests.

01:19:25.000 Not all of them, we have plenty of donors that like it, but it's kind of a bell curve.

01:19:30.000 You had a huge spike of what we would call populism, William Jennings, Bryan, Teddy Roosevelt, 100 years ago, and then you had real progressivism.

01:19:38.000 But this is what's the most important thing: they thought they, being the bad guys, thought Bernie Sanders was going to be the populist person from a socialistic perspective.

01:19:48.000 And the fact that the right has now used populism as a weapon drives them crazy.

01:19:52.000 Drives them crazy.

01:19:53.000 The fact that we are now tapping into this because populism is a thermonuclear weapon.

01:19:57.000 Well, Ronald Reagan flirted with populism.

01:20:00.000 The same thing happened in England too.

01:20:01.000 I'm sorry.

01:20:02.000 But Jeremy Corbyn was considered a socialist populist, right?

01:20:07.000 Just like Bernie Sanders.

01:20:08.000 And then what happens?

01:20:09.000 Brexit happens.

01:20:10.000 And then they start talking.

01:20:11.000 He was on the wrong side of it.

01:20:12.000 And they were talking about populism, which, again, a lot of these guys on that side start talking about populism about a niche thing.

01:20:19.000 And the way that I look at populist philosophy, and this is just me, but the idea trying to turn it into a philosophy is that it just fills in all the gaps of the ideology, right?

01:20:31.000 It fills in the things that people don't talk about.

01:20:33.000 Everything that we, everything that Mike Pence is talking about, we agree with like 99% of the things he's talking about.

01:20:40.000 His issue is that these populist ideas have taken precedent over the boring, archaic, non-needle-moving stuff that has allowed our country to slip.

01:20:52.000 Yep.

01:20:53.000 And so it's very simple, which is that, guys, Mike, we agree on almost everything.

01:20:57.000 You're just boring and you're not focusing on all these other ideas that matter that have moved past, that are redefining, they're re molding, recrafting the conservative movement.

01:21:08.000 And we can embrace some of these ideas and move the party forward.

01:21:12.000 It's not changing anything about what we believe and most of the things that we agree on.

01:21:17.000 But, you know, being anti-war makes a ton of sense.

01:21:21.000 You know, that's that was a populist idea in the 70s by a lot of conservatives that came out of the 60s that helped shape everything that laid the foundation for the Reagan revolution that he loves to talk about.

01:21:33.000 If it wasn't for those populist ideas, Reagan never would have become president and never would have had the chance to appoint Eric Holder.

01:21:41.000 So, Blake, you have a thought on this?

01:21:43.000 Well, so now I got some positive comments in the chat.

01:21:45.000 So now I have to go into the normie mode that'll make them all hate me.

01:21:48.000 And I do think there are hazards to populism.

01:21:51.000 There are downsides to populism.

01:21:53.000 There is a reason I think we would all still say we are conservatives more so than we before we would say we're a populist.

01:21:59.000 And the downside of populism can be like if you are focusing entirely on pandering to the masses, that can encourage like demagoguery.

01:22:08.000 It can encourage like very short-term thinking, like, you know, delaying all student loan repayments essentially forever or trying to forgive them completely.

01:22:15.000 That's a populist thing to do.

01:22:17.000 I think that would be a disastrous mistake.

01:22:19.000 I think all of us would agree on that.

01:22:22.000 Something like the national, like, you know, when we froze all of the rents nationwide during COVID and kept, you know, there was a lot of pressure to keep doing that.

01:22:30.000 That's a populist measure.

01:22:31.000 That's the thing you can do for, you know, I shouldn't say freeze all rents, like freeze evictions.

01:22:35.000 You know, you can maybe do that for a month.

01:22:37.000 Doing it for years on end is like very damaging, but it's populist.

01:22:41.000 And, you know, saying, you know, that a problem with Pence is that he's boring and not entertaining.

01:22:46.000 You definitely do need entertainment to, you know, grip the masses.

01:22:50.000 There's a lot to be said for charisma.

01:22:52.000 Donald Trump won because he is like a world-class charismatic person.

01:22:56.000 But if you just put charisma above everything, you do get cults of personality.

01:23:00.000 You do get demagogues.

01:23:01.000 And you don't want those things because we are ideological people.

01:23:05.000 We don't just want to be cult followers.

01:23:08.000 I think Pence is mistaken in what he's saying.

01:23:11.000 And he's basically saying, I want to rewind the clock to 2012.

01:23:15.000 But I do think we should take it.

01:23:17.000 I don't want to say take under advisement from Pence.

01:23:19.000 That's painful.

01:23:19.000 That's excruciating.

01:23:21.000 But we should realize that we are not populists.

01:23:26.000 We are conservatives.

01:23:27.000 And we should always be careful not to worship the entertainment value of politics for the sake of itself.

01:23:34.000 Jack, is Blake right?

01:23:37.000 Well, I mean, I could nitpick on various things.

01:23:40.000 Like, I'd be interested in talking about student loans if the universities have to pay from their endowments, by the way.

01:23:46.000 I'd love that.

01:23:48.000 Right, right, exactly.

01:23:49.000 So, but at the same, and debt jubilee, of course, is the, you know, the number one golden option of populists throughout history.

01:23:57.000 It is political.

01:23:58.000 It absolutely is.

01:24:00.000 And though at the same time, like I said before, I just don't think that we're necessarily following the textbook definition of populism.

01:24:08.000 Because, okay, so the populist movement right now, the populist energy, put it this way, there's populist energy in the left and there's populist energy in the right.

01:24:15.000 There's also populist energy that's kind of in the center, like your Glenn Greenwalds, your Michael Schellenbergers, a bunch of these people that just kind of pop Joe Rogan to an extent that just kind of populate this center that aren't necessarily part of either side.

01:24:28.000 So when I'm talking about this populist movement that's actually, and Charlie, you've talked about this a million times, this realignment that's going on in the country, you could be an RFK supporter and like consider yourself a liberal maybe, but you're also against the big pharma companies and you're against mandates and you're against the Intel corporations and you're anti-war.

01:24:50.000 And yet the Democrat Party doesn't represent you and elements of the Republican Party don't represent you because they have formed a two-party duopoly within Washington, D.C.

01:24:58.000 And lots of people across the spectrum can see this.

01:25:02.000 And so it does work for a, for just tactical purposes because we need a name to call that.

01:25:09.000 So what is that?

01:25:10.000 And I would say there's populist right, there's populist center and populist left.

01:25:14.000 And I think that's the middle where we can all mix because we do need some nomenclature so we can figure out how to make our way forward.

01:25:21.000 And we can argue about whether or not we fit the doctrinaire version of it.

01:25:24.000 What populism also does is it forces the institutional conservative intelligentsia to prove their points.

01:25:31.000 And Trump, to his great credit, did this on three major issues.

01:25:36.000 People were complaining and they were saying, hey, like all of our factories are closed.

01:25:40.000 And they were never given an opportunity to really voice that concern because we were told that, okay, no, all the think tanks, the experts agree, it's good to send all of our stuff overseas.

01:25:50.000 Trump was like, no, actually, have a seat at the table.

01:25:52.000 You're right.

01:25:53.000 Same with war and same with immigration. 0.92

01:25:54.000 But I think you're right.

01:25:55.000 Of course it can engage in demagoguery, Blake.

01:25:58.000 We are populism while anchored in conservative principles is a lethal combination against the left, right?

01:26:04.000 Not pandering, but listening, right?

01:26:07.000 Not overreaching against our principles, but also not being afraid to say, is there a time to use prudence to accomplish an aim or an objective or a goal?

01:26:17.000 I mean, for example, should we break up big tech?

01:26:19.000 Of course we should.

01:26:20.000 Mike Pence, though, is using who are the, here's the port.

01:26:23.000 Here's the most important thing, though, is that why is Mike Pence saying this, Tyler?

01:26:30.000 Because his corporate donors don't like what populists want, which more than anything else, the through line of populism is a protection of the middle class.

01:26:40.000 You're right with your concerns, Blake, but what they want more than anything else is a restoration and a preservation of the American middle class.

01:26:47.000 Tyler, what are your thoughts on that?

01:26:50.000 Yeah, I mean, I just think about how the founding fathers were populists and they didn't start that way, right?

01:26:59.000 They didn't start that way.

01:27:00.000 They started like Mike Pence, which was they were loyal subjects to the crown.

01:27:05.000 They thought they were in America to do something special to live a really unique life, right?

01:27:15.000 But they revolted.

01:27:17.000 It was with a couple decades, everyone was in revolt, right?

01:27:21.000 That's what happened.

01:27:22.000 And it was because they listened to the little guy and they started talking about things that put their lives in danger.

01:27:28.000 And, you know, that's really the story of a lot of, you know, I think human civilization that have done great things that have built Western civilization is that it's been listening to the people and standing up for the individual.

01:27:42.000 That's the idea of America.

01:27:44.000 And if you ignore populism, if you ignore what the people want, it doesn't matter if it's good or bad, right or wrong.

01:27:50.000 That's what makes America beautiful, is that populism has the ability to survive here.

01:27:57.000 And if it was up to Mike Pence, I don't know if it would be, right?

01:28:01.000 Like if it was up to the neocons, I don't know if the individual would really matter at all, right?

01:28:06.000 So that's, to me, that's what is the defining element of who are the good guys in the conservative movement and who are the bad guys?

01:28:15.000 The ones that want to give a voice to the individual, the Jeffersonian idea that really is a populist construct.

01:28:23.000 Yep.

01:28:24.000 All right.

01:28:24.000 So let's just kind of, in closing here, Jack, this idea of populism, we can admit it can go too far, but honestly, we have not even begun to act in a policy way on any of these things, right?

01:28:39.000 We haven't even changed.

01:28:39.000 We've done tariffs.

01:28:42.000 I mean, we haven't built the wall.

01:28:43.000 We haven't massively deported these people. 1.00

01:28:46.000 We have this stupid gay war in Ukraine. 1.00

01:28:48.000 So I hear your objections, Blake. 1.00

01:28:50.000 I think they're legit and smart.

01:28:52.000 At the same time, I think populist energy, I wish we would act more like this.

01:28:57.000 I wish we would be actually more restrained.

01:28:59.000 Do you see that, Blake?

01:29:00.000 I mean, I think the best way of squaring it is I wish we had a conservative movement that was more populist towards its populist faction of conservatism.

01:29:08.000 Yes, that's exactly what it was.

01:29:10.000 Yes.

01:29:10.000 You know, if you, if you pander too much to overall populism, you're going to need principle and populism.

01:29:15.000 It needs to be both.

01:29:16.000 But if you're too quote unquote principle while you ignore your voters, the principle for corporations for the sake of corporate, like a great example is we're never going to touch Google because our principles disobey us. 0.99

01:29:25.000 Like that's stupid. 0.99

01:29:26.000 Okay. 1.00

01:29:27.000 That's literally looking at the destruction of something beautiful because you want to hide behind your quote unquote principle.

01:29:32.000 Well, the better example, I think, of like a principle within the conservative movement that's not necessarily always popular.

01:29:39.000 It's not a populist position has always been the pro-life stance of the conservative movement.

01:29:43.000 So in the Republican Party, in the platform, being pro-life has been there for a long time.

01:29:48.000 I don't know exactly how long, but it's been a really long time.

01:29:51.000 Since the 50s.

01:29:52.000 And so that hasn't always been the most popular position, but that's the position that you take.

01:29:57.000 That's a non-populist position that is important that we hang on to.

01:30:02.000 And there's many of those positions that still remain.

01:30:05.000 Again, this is where I thought.

01:30:06.000 I would say guns was like that.

01:30:07.000 Guns, right?

01:30:08.000 Even like we talk about, you know, solutions to protecting kids in schools and things like that, right?

01:30:14.000 Like where this is where people, debates come up, right?

01:30:17.000 Those are...

01:30:19.000 What's that?

01:30:20.000 I was going to say, the free speech is populist, though.

01:30:23.000 Yeah, free speech is populist.

01:30:25.000 That's why I'm talking about the way that I look at it, the simple way that I describe it to people is it fills in all the cracks of the things that are in between a lot of minor issues, a lot of new issues, a lot of novel issues.

01:30:37.000 And if you don't have conversations about those things, you never move forward.

01:30:41.000 You don't talk to people.

01:30:42.000 Well, and this is what also scares about populism, and you agree with this, Blake, is that what Trump has been able to do is bring in new voters and change pre-existing political paradigms, right?

01:30:52.000 So you could bring in white working class voters.

01:30:54.000 You can bring in Hispanics.

01:30:55.000 You can bring in low-prop voters. 0.55

01:30:57.000 That terrifies them, right?

01:30:58.000 They're like, whoa, why are you giving a voice to the people in Prescott?

01:31:01.000 Like, why do the people in Yavapai County, the voter turnout, Tyler, you know this?

01:31:07.000 The Russian belt. 0.71

01:31:08.000 It's up 20 or 30% than it was 10 years ago in these rural areas.

01:31:11.000 Like all of a sudden, they feel as if they're engaged because someone is actually fighting for them.

01:31:14.000 All right.

01:31:15.000 Final thoughts?

01:31:15.000 Let's go around the horn.

01:31:16.000 We'll start Blake, then Tyler, then Jack.

01:31:18.000 I'm just glad that we're getting out of here because it's halftime.

01:31:22.000 Is it already halftime?

01:31:23.000 It is already halftime.

01:31:24.000 The Chiefs are up 14 to 7.

01:31:27.000 Did you bet?

01:31:27.000 Of course not.

01:31:28.000 That is degenerate.

01:31:29.000 Oh, so you know what?

01:31:30.000 We should actually do a thought crime on the ethics of sports gambling.

01:31:35.000 That is a good idea.

01:31:36.000 Neither the body nor the mind, Charlie.

01:31:38.000 So do you invest in the stock market?

01:31:39.000 Yes.

01:31:40.000 Well, how's it different?

01:31:41.000 That involves ownership and an actual asset.

01:31:44.000 It is not merely like a standard.

01:31:46.000 Wait, hold on.

01:31:47.000 So you don't do ETFs or VIXs or any sort of speculative of market movement?

01:31:51.000 I don't think so.

01:31:53.000 Okay, but I'm just curious.

01:31:54.000 So you'll never.

01:31:56.000 The stock market is gambling, please.

01:31:58.000 Of course.

01:31:59.000 I mean, yeah, like just day trading.

01:32:00.000 Yeah, that's totally gambling.

01:32:01.000 No, but let's do the opposite.

01:32:02.000 I think sports gambling can be thought of as investing.

01:32:05.000 Investing in what?

01:32:06.000 Well, if you have information, everything's an educated guess, right?

01:32:10.000 Is that fair to say?

01:32:12.000 Look, I draft.

01:32:13.000 The stock market overall goes up, whereas long term, it can, you know, there's a pie that just goes bigger.

01:32:19.000 Whereas sports gambling is just winners and losers.

01:32:21.000 I think Charlie, as an industry that requires, not the economics.

01:32:25.000 As an industry, sports gambling requires addicts who ruin their lives doing it.

01:32:28.000 No, no, no, I totally acknowledge.

01:32:30.000 I'm not even, I actually think that there's a good reason to say that sports gambling might be not biblical, but there's also a, there's a way to look at it where you can get so into it with so much research, so much data that sports gambling can feel more like an investment in an Apple or a Google or an ETF, a VIX, shorting a market than it does just kind of randomly throwing money on a room on the table.

01:32:52.000 I just think it makes sports worse.

01:32:53.000 I think it makes, I don't like, I think it's trashy how the NFL is like, gamble, gamble, gamble, totally do this.

01:32:58.000 Oh, by the way, don't athletes can't bet on the sports, but it's just, it saturates everything.

01:33:03.000 But here's the thing, they do bet.

01:33:04.000 They bet on themselves every day.

01:33:05.000 If our money was attached to the gold standard, if our money was attached to the gold standard, then it would be a sin. 0.99

01:33:11.000 But because it's made up and fake anyway, it's all fake and gay. 1.00

01:33:16.000 I think that's smart, but I think that there is a place if you look at it as investing, because there's people that invest in Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies. 0.93

01:33:24.000 That is legit.

01:33:25.000 That's gambling more than investing.

01:33:27.000 I've seen it, right?

01:33:28.000 They're like, oh, this coin and this thing.

01:33:31.000 It's all fake.

01:33:32.000 Jack.

01:33:33.000 If it's fake.

01:33:33.000 Jack, are you a football guy, Jack, or not so much?

01:33:37.000 I mean, are you asking Jack the Philly guy who grew up B-A-G-L-E-S or like me personally?

01:33:43.000 No, I don't follow sports that closely.

01:33:45.000 And no, I don't gamble either.

01:33:47.000 I just drafted my fantasy team this week.

01:33:51.000 I don't do the fan.

01:33:51.000 I hate fans.

01:33:53.000 My friends and I from college, or from not going for college, from high school have been going since high school.

01:33:59.000 So we can't break it.

01:34:00.000 So half of us hardly play during the year.

01:34:03.000 We just like auto-draft and like do all this stuff, but we've kept it going.

01:34:07.000 But my boy Harrison Butker is on my team.

01:34:10.000 He's got his two for two tonight.

01:34:11.000 So I got two points.

01:34:13.000 All right, everybody.

01:34:14.000 Till next week, keep committing thought crimes.

01:34:17.000 It is your first full weekend of both college and NFL football.

01:34:22.000 We should do that as a thought crimes next week.

01:34:24.000 The ethics of watching something that hates you, even though you love the thing. 0.97

01:34:28.000 I'll tell you this: quick shout out to Heidi.

01:34:31.000 Let Tyler finish. 0.88

01:34:31.000 By the way, Heidi and Guam. 0.88

01:34:33.000 Let Tyler finish.

01:34:34.000 Oh, Heidi and Guam.

01:34:35.000 Oh, also, you're supposed to grow a mustache.

01:34:37.000 That came from the chat.

01:34:38.000 I'm not doing that one.

01:34:39.000 That's a British tube.

01:34:40.000 You have to grow the mustache, the chat.

01:34:42.000 What were you saying, Tyler?

01:34:44.000 The thing is here is that we talk all the time about sports going too far.

01:34:48.000 I think the same thing with gambling.

01:34:50.000 I think you can get way into sports.

01:34:52.000 I made the huge error of spending way too much money and going to all the finals, games with the Suns up to the finals.

01:34:58.000 Well, that's a good investment, though.

01:34:59.000 I disagree with you.

01:35:00.000 That's my kids.

01:35:01.000 If I didn't bring my kids to the game, I went to all the Cubs playoffs games when they won the World Series.

01:35:04.000 I'm the best money ever spent.

01:35:05.000 I get it.

01:35:06.000 I had like no money at the time.

01:35:07.000 It's only going to happen once it like.

01:35:09.000 I disagree.

01:35:10.000 That's a great thing.

01:35:10.000 It's not a mistake.

01:35:11.000 And so, but the thing is, like, you got to pull it back.

01:35:14.000 But that's entertainment more than gambling.

01:35:16.000 But October is the greatest month ever because you've got basketball.

01:35:20.000 The Cubs are going to be in the playoffs, probably.

01:35:21.000 You've got playoffs.

01:35:23.000 And if your team's in the MLB, then it's like awesome.

01:35:27.000 Yes.

01:35:28.000 And you got college football at a climax.

01:35:30.000 You got NFL.

01:35:32.000 Hockey is back.

01:35:33.000 And then you have MLB.

01:35:34.000 It's like so crazy.

01:35:36.000 It's like the greatest, you know, for a dude.

01:35:38.000 Though that's actually an interesting question.

01:35:39.000 What is the greatest sports month of the year?

01:35:41.000 It's October.

01:35:43.000 Not even close.

01:35:45.000 I would probably put January because that's when the Minnesota Vikings will lose in the playoffs.

01:35:50.000 And once again, it's like clockwork.

01:35:53.000 I think January is great because the college will apply.

01:35:55.000 Sorry, Jack, we interrupted your Guam shout out.

01:35:58.000 It was actually to a listener who sent us in a very nice email, Charlie, to Heidi in Guam, who says that she listens to the show every week on Saturday mornings when she's at the gym.

01:36:08.000 And I just wanted to give her a shout out because she sent us such a nice email, and I used to be stationed at Guam.

01:36:12.000 And, you know, the Northern Mariana Islands have been terrific for us.

01:36:15.000 Just terrific.

01:36:16.000 Yeah, according to Blake's Normie principled, he's like, we must give statehood to all square miles of America.

01:36:22.000 We should actually do a thousand.

01:36:23.000 Every country in the world belongs to America. 0.87

01:36:26.000 Are you serious?

01:36:28.000 It's a line from an old joke.

01:36:30.000 No, we got into the statehood thing.

01:36:33.000 Which one was the one that we disagreed on?

01:36:35.000 Northern Mariana Islands. 0.98

01:36:36.000 We should just make Guam a state. 0.98

01:36:37.000 Take Guam. 1.00

01:36:38.000 Mariana Islands. 0.88

01:36:39.000 No.

01:36:40.000 Don't make a mistake.

01:36:41.000 Make them a spam snow.

01:36:43.000 This is a very bad idea.

01:36:44.000 We would have immediately eight more Democrat senators.

01:36:47.000 Makes more sense than Puerto Rico. 0.74

01:36:49.000 It is the most corrupt.

01:36:50.000 It's controlled by like two families. 0.88

01:36:52.000 It's so bad.

01:36:53.000 It's so bad.

01:36:54.000 They would chase, all they have to do is chase like a thousand people.

01:36:56.000 It's like the North family and the South family. 0.84

01:36:58.000 It's hard.

01:36:58.000 Harvest 1,000 balance.

01:37:00.000 Well, next week, one of the next couple weeks, make a note, guys.

01:37:02.000 Eastern Oregon needs to be an interesting topic.

01:37:05.000 I do.

01:37:05.000 I like that.

01:37:06.000 Have you heard about the Greater Idaho?

01:37:09.000 Save it for next week.

01:37:10.000 I love it.

01:37:11.000 I love that idea.

01:37:12.000 I'm all on board for the greater Idaho people.

01:37:14.000 I love it.

01:37:15.000 And that California was, they try to break it into five states.

01:37:17.000 It's never going to happen.

01:37:18.000 But Greater Idaho could happen.

01:37:20.000 It needs to be approved by Congress.

01:37:21.000 We need lots of states, like Texas too.

01:37:23.000 Oh, and the Western Virginia Carolina part of Virginia.

01:37:26.000 The five counties of Virginia want to be part of West Virginia.

01:37:29.000 Okay, we got to go.

01:37:30.000 If you watch NFL, don't acknowledge it publicly, but enjoy.

01:37:34.000 See you next week.

01:37:37.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:37:39.000 Email us your thoughts.

01:37:39.000 As always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:37:42.000 Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - September 09, 2023

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 12 — Boycott the NFL? Liberty UnSafe? Is Obama Gay?

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