00:00:54.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:34.000We do want to add in the NFL topic, which I think is interesting because in just a couple minutes, Patrick Mahomes and the Tans City Chiefs are going to kick off against the Lions.
00:03:56.000I don't think it was on Liberty Safe's bingo card that they would get boycotted.
00:04:01.000Jack, what's going on with Liberty Safe?
00:04:02.000Go through all the facts for the uninitiated in our audience.
00:04:05.000So I'll throw something out, just an interesting observation based on what you said before I go through the recap.
00:04:10.000But the interesting observation is: remember, from Liberty Safe's perspective, somebody at the company, probably not even the CEO, answered a phone call from the FBI, was asked to provide a passcode.
00:04:22.000They followed their protocol, provided the passcode, and they went on with the rest of their day.
00:04:43.000So they provided a passcode to the FBI for a January 6th defendant where they allude to possibly have being served with a warrant, though there's no actual information as to whether or not the safe was included in the warrant.
00:05:00.000It just says they were called and that they have a policy regarding warrants, but it doesn't do whatever the feds want.
00:05:08.000It doesn't actually say that there's any specific mention of the gun safe in Liberty Safe, their gun safes that have marketed towards conservatives, Second Amendment activists for a very, very long time.
00:05:25.000So in the statement, they also mention, we didn't have all the facts of the investigation, which is like, okay, so you said you were contacted by the feds and you didn't even think to push back or ask any basic questions as to what was going on.
00:05:43.000You immediately gave over the passcode to the safe, which is essentially a manufacturer's code that has access to everyone's gun safe.
00:05:53.000This is something that would go in for electronic, obviously not mechanical locks.
00:05:58.000So every gun safe that Liberty Safe owns, essentially, this means they can be opened with a phone call.
00:06:06.000So if you have a phone call and you repeat the magical incantation, you say the right things over the phone.
00:06:11.000And I got into it with people on Twitter today, them saying, oh, that would never happen to me.
00:06:17.000So, okay, what if you call up and I've got all the information about your safe and I'm not you and I asked them to give me the code and I'm, you know, I'm some teenager and I know mom and dad where mom and dad keep the receipts.
00:06:54.000So they arrested him and they hit the house at the same time.
00:06:58.000So this is two separate, it's two separate things we're talking about.
00:07:00.000Obviously, the gun safe is not at the strip mall.
00:07:02.000So they arrested him, which, by the way, not a pre-dawn raid.
00:07:06.000So I guess we got to give the FBI a little bit of credit here because they did conduct a pre-dawn raid in Utah against this 300-pound 75-year-old man who was posting Biden.
00:07:19.000They didn't make him abandon his baby inside the house while they like frog marched everyone out.
00:07:27.000I mean, they didn't give him the David Koresh treatment on this one.
00:07:32.000They actually picked him up what I would seem, it seems to me, at least is a very safe manner there on the street, even though they rolled in like, I mean, look at the way they're tactically, just for the podcast audience.
00:07:47.000He's Osama bin Laden, flak jackets and M4s with lasers and scopes on them.
00:07:54.000It's just like some, it's like some guy at a CVS.
00:07:57.000No, it's a show of strength intentionally, is what it is.
00:08:01.000It's we're in charge and you are not sure.
00:08:04.000We have to emphasize why this really stands out.
00:08:06.000Because, yeah, they did get a warrant.
00:08:08.000So, you know, if a warrant goes through all the way, you do generally have to comply with it.
00:08:12.000But the reason this stands out is what's a prominent liberal company out there, Apple, Apple Computers.
00:08:18.000And they've been battling for years with the FBI over what they, you know, when they get warrants, they say, we don't need to go along with all of these warrants.
00:08:26.000You know, we believe our phones should be secure for the people who buy them.
00:08:30.000And we're going to push back on these unless they're very legitimate.
00:08:33.000So they've been fighting for years over, you know, the government wants them to build a back door into all of their phones that the federal government can basically just pop it open, take everyone's stuff off.
00:08:47.000And then Apple's not a conservative company.
00:08:50.000They don't pander to conservatives at all.
00:08:52.000A lot of us have a lot of issues with Apple, and yet they still have this kind of old 90s liberal defiance of authority that is playing to the public's advantage in this case.
00:09:02.000Whereas this company that spent years catering supposedly to conservatives just folds like a house of cards.
00:09:09.000But at the same time, I think I am a little more sympathetic than a lot of people here in that I don't think I see like a big anti-conservative agenda.
00:09:18.000I think this is a case where a company, possibly even a low-level person at the company, didn't really understand how norms and expectations on the right have evolved so that we are more suspicious of government investigations like this.
00:09:31.000Yeah, but when a company is run and owned by people who don't care in the same way that that's the point is that they were purchased.
00:09:50.000Which is, you know, you just go, and this is what I always do whenever I see something happen.
00:09:53.000I'm like, well, is there maybe, and I agree with, I don't think it's probably necessarily something where it's like they were written in policy.
00:10:01.000They're like, the next time the FBI shows up, we're going to hand everything over.
00:10:04.000But if you don't have people at the top who answer these questions rapidly and are not people who actually care about the customer base, which I don't think the gentleman who runs this company now, that runs this investment firm, really actually cares about conservatives because we know that because his partners in it, he collectively have spent over $400,000 the last 10 cycles on Democrats.
00:10:32.000And so there's a lesson in here, which is, hey, if you're a conservative, you built a company that you want to be proud of and you want to see continue on even after you sell it.
00:10:40.000And that you can go, wow, I'm glad that they agreed to keep having Glenn Beck be my sponsor or my voice that tells everybody about how great my safe is.
00:10:50.000You better not sell it to people who are libs.
00:10:54.000And we should highlight the scale of this.
00:12:07.000Or the third, if they really would have been threatened, they could have done a press release.
00:12:11.000We are right now, I'm not going to tell you what customer, but the feds have come to us against our will, and we are being told to get our password and we refuse.
00:12:19.000Like they could have made a huge thing about it.
00:12:20.000Like senators could have gotten involved.
00:12:37.000It was like $250,000 or something because the feds were trying to get into Trump's account recently, the Jack Smith thing, and he missed the deadline.
00:12:46.000It was six figures, over six figures that he paid because he refused at first and then missed the deadline, ended up having to pay a bunch of people.
00:12:56.000Bring it up on screen, guys, if you can.
00:12:58.000We've got $350,000 because it dragged its feet in complying with a DOJ warrant.
00:13:13.000Money, like show me that you are willing to fight for the rights of your customers, regardless of who they are.
00:13:20.000Treat everyone the same, whether you've got a MAGA hat on or whether you're supporting, I don't know, some other person who's on the other side, right?
00:13:30.000Point is that companies, we would love to just go back to the normal playing field, but we can't.
00:13:36.000And so I'm not going to sit here and beg for fairness.
00:13:38.000I'm not going to say, oh, this isn't fair.
00:13:41.000This is, you know, this is hypocrisy, the double hypocrisy.
00:14:04.000They sent out a new statement this morning acknowledging we were right, saying, oh, by the way, now we have a whole new standard operating procedure.
00:14:26.000We got a lot of pushback because there are still a lot of people in the conservative, I would almost call it like the conservatarian movement that still believe like, oh, business should be able to do whatever they want and we should always support businesses and businesses.
00:16:28.000And it doesn't say it, but basically the whole thing is posto and Kirk are right.
00:16:32.000Jack, I think this, I think part of the outrage of this whole thing was people realized for the first time that there was a database with someone that they can't trust that literally has everyone's codes in it.
00:16:45.000And these guys are based out of the de facto gun registry of conservatives.
00:16:48.000Yeah, it's a de facto gun registry, but that liberals run it and it's in Utah.
00:16:56.000And you can't trust a lot of people in Utah.
00:16:57.000I mean, look at the governor for crying out loud.
00:16:59.000Spencer Cox is a very Spencer Cox and Mitt Romney.
00:17:02.000I mean, you're talking about these people put their trust in some bad people in Utah, right?
00:20:11.000And as a Christian, as a Christian, I can say I forgive them on a moral level.
00:20:19.000But at the same time, on an economic level, and when we're in a fight for our country, why would I support or promote a company like that that has already worked against my interest?
00:21:28.000There's a criteria that works for these things.
00:21:33.000When certain companies are woke or go crazy, it's really hard for us to like punish them.
00:21:39.000But when companies where the users are predominantly conservative and there's nothing that special about your product, like beer, then it's very, very easy for us to all of a sudden kind of throw it down, right?
00:21:53.000It's like, okay, you are reliant on right-wingers and you don't have that much brand loyalty.
00:21:59.000It's not like people say, I'm really going to miss my Liberty Safe.
00:22:03.000It's like, yeah, okay, you could get 900 different, right?
00:22:55.000There was a tweet yesterday that when Trump returns to office, he's going to turn Mar-a-Lago into a political prison like La Cathedral that Pablo Escobar had.
00:23:05.000And then he'll just go down and view members of the deep state there.
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00:24:58.000Honestly, they're a bunch of racketoos.
00:25:00.000Well, she met with this racketeer last week, caused a lot of people to worry, like, oh, they're going to roll out a new censorship regime and, you know, buddy-buddy with them.
00:25:09.000Instead, ban the ADL started to trend big time on Twitter.
00:25:12.000I think there were over 130,000 tweets for it last I checked.
00:25:16.000And then what really got crazy is Elon Musk got involved in that and he started replying to all these people bashing the ADL, being like, oh, this is very interesting.
00:25:24.000All those tweets, replies that he does.
00:25:27.000And now he says that he's blaming the ADL's attacks on Twitter/slash X for causing the company to not have its advertisers back, causing it to lose value.
00:25:37.000And he's saying he's going to sue it for billions of dollars in defamation damages.
00:25:44.000Is Elon Musk going to be the one who finally, you know, the ADL used to have like a lot of mainstream credibility.
00:25:51.000They lost a lot of it over the last few years over Trump, over Tucker.
00:25:55.000But could Elon Musk be the one who, you know, brings it down?
00:25:58.000Yeah, I mean, Jack, you and I have both dealt with these, you know, let's just say 501c3 organizations on the life.
00:26:06.000SPLC is probably more of your, has been more of your fight.
00:26:10.000I've actually probably fought the ADL more.
00:26:12.000I want just people, this is so nauseating.
00:26:15.000I'm not a fan of mine either, Charlie.
00:26:17.000Yeah, I want to play this piece of tape here.
00:26:20.000This is Jonathan Greenblatt, which, so he goes on CNBC and he's like, if you dare question that we are shakedown artists, you're an anti-Semite.
00:26:45.000I only say that because there have been folks who've looked at these situations and felt that they were being shaken down.
00:26:51.000Look, I think, let me be honest about that, right?
00:26:54.000I think it is a sort of anti-Semitic trope to suggest when Jewish people express a degree of outrage over anti-Semitism that somehow that's a shakedown because Jews are greedy.
00:27:05.000I don't believe in, and this is really to you, Joe.
00:29:36.000And so it's essentially the same kind of logic that you're taking yourself.
00:29:42.000Like, if I were to say, oh, you're just attacking somebody for being Polish, you're attacking somebody for being what?
00:29:48.000It's refusing to take any kind of criticism, refusing to take any kind of situation and playing it into your race, your ethnicity, your religion.
00:29:58.000This is the same type of thing that you see out of critical race theory, by the way, in critical race theory videos.
00:30:04.000I remember I was watching one, this video, some documentary about critical race theory and racism, everyday racism, right?
00:30:12.000And there was literally a situation where a woman was recounting almost exactly what Uncle Leo said.
00:30:19.000She said, well, you know, my, I was at a, this is a couple of years ago, but, you know, I was at a checkout line and I had to get, I had to get paid with a check.
00:30:29.000And the customer, you know, the clerk who was working with everybody checking us out said, to see my ID.
00:30:35.000She has to see my ID when I gave a check.
00:30:37.000But I was there with my sister, who's lighter skinned than me, and she didn't have to show her ID.
00:30:43.000And then they went on talking a little bit in the interview.
00:30:45.000And she says, well, you know, I don't usually shop there.
00:31:29.000So it's just, there's so much history that, you know, one thing that's very promising about this feud between Musk and the ADL is now like you can just highlight a lot of like the ADL has been doing this stuff for a long time.
00:31:40.000So Nate Hawkman, he's a guy on Twitter.
00:31:46.000And he has, for over a decade, the ADL used undercover spies to conduct a vast, coordinated, and potentially illegal campaign of espionage against the John Birch Society.
00:31:57.000So that was a right-wing anti-communist society in the Cold War.
00:32:14.000So they just had people infiltrating the John Birch Society, and they were doing things like they would essentially engineer fake John Birch Society meetings so that some major figure would show up that they wanted to get interviewed.
00:32:31.000I think they might have been tapping phones.
00:32:32.000So it was a lot of it was stuff that either got banned after it happened or was probably illegal at the time.
00:32:39.000And they were just doing this for years on end to, and they, you know, for the purposes of that they thought the John Birch Society, you know, was against their ideological interests.
00:32:48.000And they would do this to delegitimize public figures by tying them to the John Birch Society or by, you know, linking them with it.
00:32:54.000And then the other thing here, another tweet I have is from Michael Schellenberger.
00:32:58.000He's one of those guys who was getting the Twitter files.
00:33:00.000And he just highlighted this story from 1993, so 30 years ago, where California police discovered that ADL was operating what the Los Angeles Times called a nationwide intelligence network that kept files, quote, on more than 950 political groups, newspapers, and labor unions, and as many as 12,000 people.
00:33:21.000This wasn't just things like white nationalist groups.
00:33:23.000It was also Greenpeace, United Farm Workers, Institute for Palestine Studies, ACTUP, Association of Vietnam Veterans, and the Japanese Americans Citizens League.
00:33:33.000Much of this information was obtained illegally from law enforcement.
00:33:37.000And they eventually managed to avoid prosecution by donating $75,000 to anti-hate programs in San Francisco.
00:33:45.000Like there was evidence that they had sold information about anti-apartheid protest groups to the South African government, which, you know, before apartheid fell.
00:34:09.000They are America's, like, them and the SPLC are America's like two premier hate groups in terms of who actually fans hatred in the United States.
00:35:42.000Morris Steve was this direct mail kingpin.
00:35:44.000And he'd send these things where it's like, you know, the fourth Reich is coming and it's in America and they're going to reopen Auschwitz and kill all people.
00:36:00.000And that is, in fact, what real hate groups are.
00:36:02.000Well, and this is why, yeah, go ahead.
00:36:06.000What I would say, and, you know, is, look, I, you know, I'm going to do that whole stereotypical thing of like, I've got a lot of Orthodox Jewish friends, but I do, right?
00:36:15.000And I talk to them on a regular basis.
00:36:17.000And what I would say is those guys tend to be conservative.
00:36:42.000Why do you believe something that these guys don't even see at all?
00:36:46.000When they look at the American right, the conservative movement, Trump supporters, they don't see what it is you're talking about.
00:36:51.000They don't see what it is you're talking about at all.
00:36:54.000In fact, they disagree vehemently with what you said because they see the Abraham Accords, they see the Jerusalem Embassy, they see Jared Kushner and Ivanka, etc.
00:37:09.000Have a conversation and maybe you could actually come to an agreement on something instead of going in for these pressure campaigns and these crazy emotionally.
00:38:30.000The numbers one to 11, 109, 110, 12, 13, 13, 52, 13, 90, 14, 14, 22, 23, 18, 21, 2, 12, 21, 23, 23, 16, 28, 311, 318, 33, 6, 38, 43, 511, 737, 83, and 88 are all hate symbols.
00:38:52.000So there was a situation, by the way, a couple of weeks ago, Charlie, I know you remember this, where RFK Jr. tweeted something about the Secret Service, and people were actually claiming that because of the numbers in his tweet, it was a secretly coded hate message because some of the numbers in his tweet corresponded with numbers on the ADL's list.
00:39:14.000So this is what's important, and this is where we need to go a level deeper.
00:39:18.000This is how the SPLC operates in the ADL.
00:39:20.000So the ADL, whatever, the Anti-Defamation League is near the same amount of budget of Turning Point USA.
00:39:27.000We actually spend our money on real impact, right?
00:39:30.000We educate students, millions of people, events, and all that.
00:39:55.000And so they basically, they figured out that one of the great expenditures, one of the most effective expenditures on the left is to give money to these organizations, primarily the SPLC and the ADL.
00:40:06.000So the ADL has really, they have figured out that social media is going to be their thing.
00:40:11.000that they're going to lobby to social media companies saying anti-Semitism, anti-Semitism, anti-Semitism.
00:40:17.000The SPLC, their big thing is credit card processing, right, Jack?
00:40:25.000I mean, ADL has an agreement with PayPal, which, by the way, obviously ties into an interesting Elon backstory because, of course, Elon comes directly from what they call the PayPal mafia.
00:40:36.000This is also where Peter J. David Sachs, Peter Thiel, all that.
00:40:40.000There's also a huge line here where a lot of this organization from the ADL was originally bankrolled by the Pierre Omidyar and the Omidyari network.
00:40:50.000So the Omidyar network funded by him and a lot of the groups that went into this stop hate for profit, stop profiting from hate campaign originally to pressure advertisers, which was done on Facebook originally.
00:41:05.000Zuck, of course, cocked immediately on this.
00:41:08.000Elon is the one actually fighting back.
00:41:10.000A lot of the organizations are also funded by Pierre Omidyar.
00:41:20.000eBay buys PayPal 1.5 billion and really is the one that launched the PayPal mafia.
00:41:27.000So there's a lot of history here, a lot of background.
00:41:32.000And what you're actually seeing on a higher level, if you look at it that way, isn't necessarily Charlie, like the issues that you and I are talking about on the surface level here.
00:41:41.000There's actually a much higher level at the overstate level where it's a massive oligarch fight, massive billionaire fight.
00:41:47.000So Blake, talk about what you just said in the chat.
00:41:49.000So the distinction with, this is somewhat just off my memory of how it goes, but SPLC's big talent is they are, you know, they're all about we track hate groups.
00:42:01.000Yeah, you know, Moms for Liberty is a hate group.
00:42:03.000There's 15 white supremacist groups in Arizona or whatever.
00:42:06.000Out of Twitter's trust council, even under Jack Dorsey.
00:42:09.000And so they're the ones who kind of, so it's sort of this like, you know, you know, two fifths where what SPLC will do is they'll be the ones who say you're a hate group, you're a hate figure.
00:42:20.000So either your organization or your specific person.
00:42:23.000And then ADL is the one who seem to have more experience in leveraging that into you get banned from Twitter, you get, you know, you get no advertisers.
00:42:31.000They're kind of good at that institutional manipulation.
00:42:34.000SPLC, at least until a few years ago, had much more of that standing of being like, oh, well, they're experts on hate.
00:42:41.000You know, they track these hate groups.
00:42:42.000They're the ones who say hate incidents across America are up 45% because and all of that.
00:42:49.000And they've also gotten spectacularly rich off that.
00:42:52.000I think, in fact, they got, I think they got their endowment up to like 700 million at SPLC.
00:42:59.000They have this huge headquarters in Max.
00:43:58.000They have $723 million in total assets.
00:44:02.000Now, I just have to say, I'm impressed at how ineffective they are with this kind of, if we had this kind of resources at turning point, like game odds.
00:44:10.000That's like a liberal arts college worth of like impotently building up humans.
00:44:14.000I'm actually impressed that like actually, besides a couple of lists and lobbies.
00:44:18.000If the Finland had that much money, we'd all be working four days a week and living and like living rich off of foreign tariffs right now.
00:44:25.000Yeah, I mean, it's you go to the SPLC website, their hate watch, which is a joke, right?
00:44:31.000But this is what's important: they create fake standards to then go to companies that don't know any better to bully and intimidate them to stop doing business with us.
00:44:41.000So if you know about cancel culture deplatforming, it starts with these nonprofits where their full-time job is to do this.
00:44:51.000And keep in mind that whenever we bring up the SPLC, even though the fact that they were kicked out of Twitter's safety council, even under Jack Dorsey.
00:45:01.000So even on the previous iteration of Twitter, when it was like liberal woke Twitter, said, no, no, you guys are just ridiculous.
00:45:07.000They also inspired a mass shooting at a Christian organization, a psychotic individual by the name of Family Research Center, I think, right?
00:45:16.000Targeted, yes, to our Tony Perkins and a family research council.
00:45:20.000And Charlie, what he did, he went to the SPLC's hate watch map, looked up the closest location to him.
00:45:29.000And before he went there to kill everybody at the Family Research Council, and fortunately he didn't because there was a security guard who was armed, by the way, and a good guy with a gun did what he was supposed to do.
00:45:42.000Do you know why he stopped at the Chick-fil-A, Charlie?
00:45:46.000Because the Chick-fil-A funded the SPLC.
00:45:49.000Because the section before that, but yes, that is true.
00:45:53.000Because this guy, but no, you got to hear this.
00:45:56.000So this guy, Floyd B. Corkins, his plan was that he was going to kill everybody inside the Family Research Council and then smear Chick-fil-A sandwiches all over their dead bodies.
00:46:08.000So when he showed up, he actually had a bag of Chick-fil-A sandwiches with him.
00:46:17.000What could the Alabama Attorney General do?
00:46:20.000I mean, it would help to just be like, okay, you guys have $750 million and you have about 30 years of liberals saying like, wow, this organization's kind of bullcrap and lies to everyone.
00:46:30.000And they also had a big sexual harassment scandal four years ago, I think.
00:46:34.000And they were like, we're going to investigate this.
00:46:36.000We're going to hire Obama alumni to investigate this.
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00:50:25.000I actually don't trust him, but I do think that here's what I'll say: if you if you grow up in Chicago politics, okay, it is very well known that Obama's gay.
00:50:34.000Okay, have you listened to the music he likes?
00:50:36.000Yeah, I mean, but by the way, it's just I was heard from so many people.
00:50:40.000Have you paid attention to literally anything about Barack Obama?
00:50:44.000Yes, and so do we have any clip of Larry Sinclair?
00:51:21.000There was like some letter that came out recently that Obama had written to a girlfriend when he was in college.
00:51:27.000I think he was in the University of Chicago about how he fantasizes.
00:51:31.000I have sex with gay men every night in my dreams.
00:51:33.000And it's like in his handwriting and nobody disputed it.
00:51:37.000I feel almost like what's going on here is someone is sending a message to the Obama camp.
00:51:44.000And it wouldn't surprise me if it was like Hillary or maybe even Newsome, Hillary and Newsome working together to obviously send a message that all of this is going to come out.
00:51:54.000The other explanation that started this is that Chef was found dead in the lake, right?
00:51:59.000And that just kind of just got people.
00:52:37.000I had not even realized that the person who was communicating with me had been killed until a good two months after.
00:52:48.000Donald Young's own mother has repeatedly said that she feels that her son died to protect Barack Obama.
00:52:56.000Okay, and then let's continue with cut 74.
00:52:58.000The last conversation that I had had with Donald Young, he had actually come clean and said that he had been asked to call me and that his job was to get as much information from me as far as who I had spoken to, who I had given any information to, and to get that to them.
00:53:19.000He had told me to be careful, to watch myself, and to understand that the Barack Obama campaign was not in any way, shape, or form going to acknowledge anything or come out about anything.
00:53:33.000And he had made it clear that he had known Barack for quite some time and had had an intimate relationship with Barack for quite some time.
00:53:59.000He also was apparently openly gay and he was killed.
00:54:02.000And even though Chicago has, you know, what, 500, 700 murders a year, we're going to suppose that this one might have been that the Obama campaign, which didn't kill Larry Sinclair, despite him having sex with Larry Sinclair.
00:54:40.000She wasn't competent, but I think they would have tried.
00:54:44.000So the question is, Jack, is Barack Obama a gay cokehead?
00:54:49.000I mean, at this point, it seems like we've got a lot of evidence coming forward.
00:54:56.000And like I said before, I think that a message is clearly being sent to the Obama camp, the Obama family right now, whether it's from the Chicago machine or you got to understand that the Democrats operate, they are a machine of machines, a mafia of mafias, if you will.
00:55:15.000And so the Biden side of things was just sort of a, they have no actual power, right?
00:56:29.000And I think there was a reaction of a lot of people on Twitter, which was, is this, should we be talking about this actually?
00:56:36.000Like, you know, given we've got, you know, it's weird for him to go straight from interviewing like Victor Orban about like how to preserve your country as a citadel of Western Christian civilization against globalization and LGBT and mass immigration and all that.
00:56:51.000And then be like, and now we're going to go to this guy who says he didn't crack with Obama.
00:58:49.000If you've driven between Chicago and Milwaukee, you'll drive right by and you won't really even realize where you're at, but it's the middle of freaking nowhere.
00:59:54.000So, but, but, Jack, should this story matter?
00:59:58.000Well, I think it should matter for a lot of reasons, Charlie.
01:00:00.000I mean, when it's I said to somebody who was involved with the interview the other day when we were chatting about it, and I said, you know, it's amazing to me that the media will force feed us, you know, Donald Trump's second cousins, IT staffers, you know, roommate, and all of a sudden he's being charged over this.
01:00:19.000And we know all of these basic facts about Trump's life, his family, his extended family, turning them into stuff.
01:00:25.000But when it comes to a guy who's Barack Obama, who was president for twice as long as Trump was, right?
01:00:30.000You could ask any American basic facts about him, and they just don't know, right?
01:00:34.000There's this huge black hole about Barack Obama's past that has always been there and has never really been opened.
01:00:44.000And so I do think that we should actually ask questions about who our leaders are, how they got there, and how we as a country got to where we are.
01:00:53.000Yeah, I mean, they pulled up, you know, behind the scenes tape of Donald Trump.
01:00:59.000They probably listened to thousands and thousands of hours of Donald Trump on camera for decades.
01:01:06.000But like, again, like, I was just pulling up in there.
01:01:09.000Like, does anybody ever talk about, you know, Brock's Columbia roommate who happens to be gay and like isn't hiding in Seattle and never wants to talk to the press?
01:01:20.000You know, these, there's all this stuff.
01:01:22.000Like, I mean, whoa, is that you on the screen there?
01:01:30.000Tell us about your, what was it like being roommates with Barack Obama?
01:01:33.000Or as in 79, a down low, down low Barry.
01:01:39.000See, since the first day I was in the movement in the conservative movement, people in Chicago would be like, you know, Barack Obama's part of the down low gang.
01:03:11.000This is, I'll admit it's funny, but like I am meeting more and more people who believe this is literally true.
01:03:17.000And I do, I do have to put the rigs on this.
01:03:18.000Like, guys, we're projecting back here.
01:03:21.000Like, we have Michelle Obama's high school photos like in her yearbook.
01:03:25.000We have her thesis, as we've read on our, on the show before, which is, it's really bad psychobabble.
01:03:31.000And it's not, it doesn't talk about, you know, her being, you know, a biological male and struggling with that at Princeton.
01:03:37.000So it'd be quite the psyop for them to have covered that all up for years in advance, but it is funny.
01:03:44.000And, you know, so it will endure because it is funny.
01:03:48.000I mean, the one thing I will say that it reminds me of is that Obama admitted in his memoir that he smoked like a pack of cigarettes a day when he was in the White House.
01:04:02.000And yet you can barely find any photos of him.
01:04:06.000And we all know the White House is one of the most heavily, needily photographed areas in the entire country.
01:04:13.000Yet there's hardly any photos of this.
01:04:16.000And so this was a secret that the Washington Press, the White House correspondents, they were all in, etc.
01:04:39.000The idea that this guy could hide smoking and the media just wouldn't take photos of it and kept it a secret for eight years leads me to believe that, yes, there are lots of things that they would be willing to hide to protect their guys.
01:05:14.000Can you even remember what Obamacare did?
01:05:16.000It's just his entire presidency is just sort of this, like compared to Bush before him, compared to Trump afterwards, compared to even to Biden.
01:05:23.000It's just like the whole thing never happened.
01:05:25.000Like the movies that came out then barely matter.
01:05:27.000The websites that were big then are like all defunct now.
01:05:30.000Like there's no aesthetic changes whatsoever.
01:05:34.000That's the biggest diff the biggest difference is in the effect it had on race relations.
01:05:38.000Well, he had Obama talking about Obamacare, Kagan, and Sodomayor would be his.
01:05:42.000Yeah, and like the great awokening happens in his second term.
01:05:45.000But even that's much more in the staffing of the bureaucracy.
01:05:47.000And that's, but even that's much more associated with Trump who came after.
01:05:51.000Like Obama himself, it's just like, it's like the dude never happened.
01:05:56.000Other than on right-wing Twitter, where we still watch Johnny Hill.
01:06:00.000We barely, this is the first time we've actually talked about Obama in years.
01:06:05.000Like as long as you're talking is that anyone who spent time with him in the Senate, he's incredibly lazy.
01:07:23.000I'm not going to, dude, if your imagination can't fill in the rest, I'm not filling it in.
01:07:33.000I disagree with you guys on the legacy of Barack Obama.
01:07:38.000I think the greatest legacy that he has is guys like Eric Holder, who went on.
01:07:43.000I mean, the guys that actually have puppeteered this country now and have made such negative impact.
01:07:49.000And never forget, Eric Holder was originally put in by Ronald Reagan.
01:07:55.000So, you know, if there's one thing that I actually am very negative about Ronald Reagan about is that you just, you can't put anyone.
01:08:04.000This is why the conservative movement has to do.
01:08:07.000Well, I'm just saying, if there's one thing that I think has been the biggest negative impact in the country, Eric Holder came straight out of the Obama administration trying to manipulate our entire country.
01:08:42.000Oh, I was going to say that, Tyler, that could you imagine if we had the power of Google like 2014, 2013 back?
01:08:51.000Do you guys remember how good Google and YouTube search algorithms used to be, where you could actually type in whatever you want, and boom, you would get the information and you would even find information that was relevant to what you actually wanted?
01:09:04.000This is before all the force algorithms and the SEO and the advertising changed everything.
01:09:10.000You could find whatever you want on Eric Hold.
01:09:12.000It was an actual free internet that existed for this like this like brief shining moment.
01:09:19.000And now for anybody who's coming in in the TikTok era or the X era, they have no idea what they missed out on because the internet actually used to be amazing.
01:09:29.000And by the way, it's because of groups like the ADL, like the SPLC, like other people that have taken it away from us.
01:11:09.000And, I mean, the Biden administration is overwhelmingly a bunch of Obama reduxes, as you'd expect.
01:11:15.000But we do have one positive thing, which is the 10 seconds of Obama.
01:11:19.000He nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court.
01:11:22.000And I think the experience of sharing a court with Sonia Sotomayor for 15 years is probably a pretty big factor in why the Supreme Court did just strike down affirmative action in a lot of America's colleges this last summer.
01:11:36.000So we could have positive outcomes from the Obama personnel legacy, too.
01:11:40.000But definitely, I mean, Valerie Jarrett, who is, she's a hard worker.
01:11:44.000She was there from day one to the last day of the administration.
01:14:21.000And one of the lines you're set to deliver is that, are we going to follow the siren song of populism away from the timeless conservative principles of the Republican Party?
01:14:35.000Well, look, you look at this Republican field, whether it's my former running mate or some of his imitators.
01:14:42.000And there is a push in this Republican primary to move us away from our party's historic commitment to American leadership on the world stage, to a commitment to fiscal responsibility and reform in the face of a massive national debt crisis.
01:14:59.000And many of those people I shared the stage with, including my former running mate who wasn't there, want to marginalize the right to life and relegate it to a state's only issue.
01:15:08.000Okay, so Tyler, I'm going to throw this one to you first.
01:16:39.000Well, here's the deal about this subject matter here.
01:16:43.000Let's just focus on populism real quickly.
01:16:45.000There's like this desire for all of these like rhino, moderate, establishment, coke, weirdos to like brand populism as some kind of like real strong issue, issue-based ideology, which that's not the case.
01:17:05.000The case of populism is that we listen to the little guys.
01:17:32.000I said we could talk more about this against Brexit.
01:17:36.000And they villainize this term populism, which the left and the right both use, which just means that we're going to listen to the people and it's anti-establishment, right?
01:17:55.000Anti-foreign wars, anti-bringing in plastic, anti-keeping borders open.
01:17:59.000And like, you don't even, you don't even need to call it like populism if you don't want to.
01:18:03.000It's so much of it is just a tonal thing of like, hey, guys, I've been around for a long time and I'm tired of a Republican Party that essentially has ceded all moral high ground to the left in terms of what they're allowed to think and what they're allowed to say.
01:18:16.000And then also just like keeps shooting itself in the foot by like, oh, let's blow, let's blow up another Middle Eastern country again.
01:18:22.000And, you know, suddenly like that fake conservative ideology went on the outs.
01:18:28.000And so now Mike Pence has to try it out.
01:18:33.000So, so, Charlie, like you're in the biz, right?
01:18:37.000Isn't it interesting, though, how the way the term populism has really taken off in the last, yes, I don't know, seven, eight years or so, as opposed to the word conservatism, because it's really become, and you know, and Blake, I get what you're saying is you don't necessarily doesn't fit necessarily the textbook definition of populism, but it describes the difference and the distinction between whatever MAGA is and whatever came before.
01:19:05.000And, Charlie, do you have you seen that use of the term inside the party that way?
01:19:09.000Yeah, it's there's, I'd say this: the rank and the rank and file don't mind the term populism.
01:19:16.000A lot of think tank people and some donors really don't like it.
01:19:21.000And I'll tell you, they hate it because it goes against some of their invested corporate interests.
01:19:25.000Not all of them, we have plenty of donors that like it, but it's kind of a bell curve.
01:19:30.000You had a huge spike of what we would call populism, William Jennings, Bryan, Teddy Roosevelt, 100 years ago, and then you had real progressivism.
01:19:38.000But this is what's the most important thing: they thought they, being the bad guys, thought Bernie Sanders was going to be the populist person from a socialistic perspective.
01:19:48.000And the fact that the right has now used populism as a weapon drives them crazy.
01:20:12.000And they were talking about populism, which, again, a lot of these guys on that side start talking about populism about a niche thing.
01:20:19.000And the way that I look at populist philosophy, and this is just me, but the idea trying to turn it into a philosophy is that it just fills in all the gaps of the ideology, right?
01:20:31.000It fills in the things that people don't talk about.
01:20:33.000Everything that we, everything that Mike Pence is talking about, we agree with like 99% of the things he's talking about.
01:20:40.000His issue is that these populist ideas have taken precedent over the boring, archaic, non-needle-moving stuff that has allowed our country to slip.
01:20:53.000And so it's very simple, which is that, guys, Mike, we agree on almost everything.
01:20:57.000You're just boring and you're not focusing on all these other ideas that matter that have moved past, that are redefining, they're re molding, recrafting the conservative movement.
01:21:08.000And we can embrace some of these ideas and move the party forward.
01:21:12.000It's not changing anything about what we believe and most of the things that we agree on.
01:21:17.000But, you know, being anti-war makes a ton of sense.
01:21:21.000You know, that's that was a populist idea in the 70s by a lot of conservatives that came out of the 60s that helped shape everything that laid the foundation for the Reagan revolution that he loves to talk about.
01:21:33.000If it wasn't for those populist ideas, Reagan never would have become president and never would have had the chance to appoint Eric Holder.
01:21:41.000So, Blake, you have a thought on this?
01:21:43.000Well, so now I got some positive comments in the chat.
01:21:45.000So now I have to go into the normie mode that'll make them all hate me.
01:21:48.000And I do think there are hazards to populism.
01:21:53.000There is a reason I think we would all still say we are conservatives more so than we before we would say we're a populist.
01:21:59.000And the downside of populism can be like if you are focusing entirely on pandering to the masses, that can encourage like demagoguery.
01:22:08.000It can encourage like very short-term thinking, like, you know, delaying all student loan repayments essentially forever or trying to forgive them completely.
01:22:17.000I think that would be a disastrous mistake.
01:22:19.000I think all of us would agree on that.
01:22:22.000Something like the national, like, you know, when we froze all of the rents nationwide during COVID and kept, you know, there was a lot of pressure to keep doing that.
01:24:00.000And though at the same time, like I said before, I just don't think that we're necessarily following the textbook definition of populism.
01:24:08.000Because, okay, so the populist movement right now, the populist energy, put it this way, there's populist energy in the left and there's populist energy in the right.
01:24:15.000There's also populist energy that's kind of in the center, like your Glenn Greenwalds, your Michael Schellenbergers, a bunch of these people that just kind of pop Joe Rogan to an extent that just kind of populate this center that aren't necessarily part of either side.
01:24:28.000So when I'm talking about this populist movement that's actually, and Charlie, you've talked about this a million times, this realignment that's going on in the country, you could be an RFK supporter and like consider yourself a liberal maybe, but you're also against the big pharma companies and you're against mandates and you're against the Intel corporations and you're anti-war.
01:24:50.000And yet the Democrat Party doesn't represent you and elements of the Republican Party don't represent you because they have formed a two-party duopoly within Washington, D.C.
01:24:58.000And lots of people across the spectrum can see this.
01:25:02.000And so it does work for a, for just tactical purposes because we need a name to call that.
01:25:10.000And I would say there's populist right, there's populist center and populist left.
01:25:14.000And I think that's the middle where we can all mix because we do need some nomenclature so we can figure out how to make our way forward.
01:25:21.000And we can argue about whether or not we fit the doctrinaire version of it.
01:25:24.000What populism also does is it forces the institutional conservative intelligentsia to prove their points.
01:25:31.000And Trump, to his great credit, did this on three major issues.
01:25:36.000People were complaining and they were saying, hey, like all of our factories are closed.
01:25:40.000And they were never given an opportunity to really voice that concern because we were told that, okay, no, all the think tanks, the experts agree, it's good to send all of our stuff overseas.
01:25:50.000Trump was like, no, actually, have a seat at the table.
01:26:07.000Not overreaching against our principles, but also not being afraid to say, is there a time to use prudence to accomplish an aim or an objective or a goal?
01:26:17.000I mean, for example, should we break up big tech?
01:26:20.000Mike Pence, though, is using who are the, here's the port.
01:26:23.000Here's the most important thing, though, is that why is Mike Pence saying this, Tyler?
01:26:30.000Because his corporate donors don't like what populists want, which more than anything else, the through line of populism is a protection of the middle class.
01:26:40.000You're right with your concerns, Blake, but what they want more than anything else is a restoration and a preservation of the American middle class.
01:26:47.000Tyler, what are your thoughts on that?
01:26:50.000Yeah, I mean, I just think about how the founding fathers were populists and they didn't start that way, right?
01:27:22.000And it was because they listened to the little guy and they started talking about things that put their lives in danger.
01:27:28.000And, you know, that's really the story of a lot of, you know, I think human civilization that have done great things that have built Western civilization is that it's been listening to the people and standing up for the individual.
01:28:24.000So let's just kind of, in closing here, Jack, this idea of populism, we can admit it can go too far, but honestly, we have not even begun to act in a policy way on any of these things, right?
01:29:00.000I mean, I think the best way of squaring it is I wish we had a conservative movement that was more populist towards its populist faction of conservatism.
01:29:16.000But if you're too quote unquote principle while you ignore your voters, the principle for corporations for the sake of corporate, like a great example is we're never going to touch Google because our principles disobey us.
01:30:25.000That's why I'm talking about the way that I look at it, the simple way that I describe it to people is it fills in all the cracks of the things that are in between a lot of minor issues, a lot of new issues, a lot of novel issues.
01:30:37.000And if you don't have conversations about those things, you never move forward.
01:30:42.000Well, and this is what also scares about populism, and you agree with this, Blake, is that what Trump has been able to do is bring in new voters and change pre-existing political paradigms, right?
01:30:52.000So you could bring in white working class voters.
01:32:30.000I'm not even, I actually think that there's a good reason to say that sports gambling might be not biblical, but there's also a, there's a way to look at it where you can get so into it with so much research, so much data that sports gambling can feel more like an investment in an Apple or a Google or an ETF, a VIX, shorting a market than it does just kind of randomly throwing money on a room on the table.
01:33:05.000If our money was attached to the gold standard, if our money was attached to the gold standard, then it would be a sin.
01:33:11.000But because it's made up and fake anyway, it's all fake and gay.
01:33:16.000I think that's smart, but I think that there is a place if you look at it as investing, because there's people that invest in Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies.
01:35:53.000I think January is great because the college will apply.
01:35:55.000Sorry, Jack, we interrupted your Guam shout out.
01:35:58.000It was actually to a listener who sent us in a very nice email, Charlie, to Heidi in Guam, who says that she listens to the show every week on Saturday mornings when she's at the gym.
01:36:08.000And I just wanted to give her a shout out because she sent us such a nice email, and I used to be stationed at Guam.
01:36:12.000And, you know, the Northern Mariana Islands have been terrific for us.