The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 121 — Back To the Moon? Bryon Noem's Bimbo Fix? Mt. Everest = Lame?

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00:01:17.000 Welcome to this Thursday edition of Thought Crime.

00:01:20.000 We are joined by Russ, Blake, and Cliff.

00:01:26.000 Hey, Cliff.

00:01:27.000 Howdy.

00:01:29.000 You too.

00:01:29.000 You're looking well, as always.

00:01:31.000 Nice hat on your head.

00:01:33.000 Which one's this?

00:01:35.000 You're like Tyler.

00:01:36.000 That's why you interchange with Tyler.

00:01:38.000 You guys have lots of hats.

00:01:41.000 This is the Win Poker World Poker Tour.

00:01:45.000 I think it says on there 2022.

00:01:46.000 Yeah.

00:01:48.000 The World Poker Championship.

00:01:48.000 Look at you, man.

00:01:50.000 I knew it was going to be something obscure.

00:01:51.000 Are you a card shark?

00:01:52.000 I didn't realize that, Cliff.

00:01:54.000 We'll get into that sometime, Blake.

00:01:56.000 I don't want to brag too much.

00:01:57.000 I try to also put that a lot.

00:01:58.000 You know, that's, yeah.

00:01:59.000 It's a card shark.

00:02:01.000 Something like that.

00:02:02.000 All right, whatever, whatever.

00:02:03.000 Enough niceties.

00:02:03.000 Guys, guys, guys, guys, we have something extremely important.

00:02:07.000 Clip one.

00:02:07.000 Run it.

00:02:09.000 Why do you want to be here?

00:02:10.000 Why do you love space?

00:02:12.000 Why do you love being a part of history?

00:02:14.000 We're going back to the moon.

00:02:16.000 That's why.

00:02:18.000 We're going back to the moon.

00:02:20.000 Guys.

00:02:21.000 Hold on.

00:02:22.000 All right.

00:02:23.000 Okay.

00:02:26.000 So, first of all, this is what Blake does with Strong Cell, too.

00:02:29.000 He always jumps the gun.

00:02:30.000 A couple things.

00:02:30.000 All right.

00:02:31.000 We're doing an early thought crime today.

00:02:34.000 We may get Jack in, but Jack is actually participating in the Turning Point event at George Washington University.

00:02:42.000 So hopefully he can call in because we want to talk about him going viral with Lord of the Rings last night.

00:02:47.000 I think it's important.

00:02:48.000 Hopefully we get him in.

00:02:48.000 Yeah.

00:02:49.000 Anyways, by the way, you came out smelling roses on that.

00:02:52.000 I got marked safe by Nerd Roddick and the crew.

00:02:52.000 I did.

00:02:54.000 I did not because apparently I just haven't watched it sooner.

00:02:58.000 Even though I said, pretty sure it's overtly Christian.

00:03:01.000 That was my direct quote.

00:03:01.000 It's true.

00:03:02.000 That was your take.

00:03:02.000 You did.

00:03:03.000 You guys are always looking good.

00:03:05.000 Anyways, you're going to call it DEI this week.

00:03:07.000 That's what I predict.

00:03:08.000 No, no, he's gonna do it a little bit on the gay side, but that's fine. 0.99

00:03:11.000 Okay, here we go.

00:03:12.000 Uh, we are doing an early thought crime with Cliff.

00:03:16.000 And yes, our first topic is Artemis Too Long.

00:03:19.000 Man, you know what?

00:03:19.000 Play it again.

00:03:22.000 Why do you want to be here?

00:03:23.000 Why do you love space?

00:03:25.000 Why do you love being a part of history?

00:03:27.000 We're going back to the moon.

00:03:29.000 That's why.

00:03:31.000 Oh, that kid is awesome.

00:03:33.000 You know, his parents like his dad's like, Where'd it go?

00:03:37.000 But you know, don't tell mom I taught you that word.

00:03:39.000 Oh, it's so great.

00:03:41.000 We're going back to the moon.

00:03:42.000 Some people are trying to black pill.

00:03:43.000 They're trying to be lame about it.

00:03:44.000 They're trying to be, ooh, we went back to the moon 60 years ago.

00:03:47.000 Yeah, but we're going to the moon again.

00:03:49.000 Well, did we go to the moon?

00:03:51.000 Yes, we went to the moon.

00:03:53.000 Yes, we went to the moon.

00:03:54.000 Wait, is anyone here a moon landing?

00:03:56.000 I don't get to have fun with any of the current conspiracy theories.

00:03:59.000 Let me have the 60s ones.

00:04:01.000 No.

00:04:02.000 So you're going to be like that, Andrew.

00:04:04.000 You're just going to say, let's play it.

00:04:06.000 And then I want Cliff to weigh in.

00:04:08.000 This is from 1969, allegedly.

00:04:12.000 Well, I guess either way, it's from 1969.

00:04:15.000 SOT 4.

00:04:18.000 Very, very fine grained as you get close to it.

00:04:22.000 It's almost like a powder.

00:04:24.000 Mount Mass is very fine.

00:04:29.000 I'm gonna step off the lamina.

00:04:33.000 It's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.

00:04:43.000 Oh, that looks beautiful to me, Neil.

00:04:45.000 It has a certain beauty all its own.

00:04:47.000 It does look beautiful, doesn't it?

00:04:51.000 Because it was on a soundstage in Burbank.

00:04:54.000 Just kidding.

00:04:55.000 Cliff, what's your take of Artemis 2 and us allegedly returning to the moon?

00:05:02.000 Yeah, I mean, listen, this is the one conspiracy I feel like is allowed these days because we've had enough time in between.

00:05:09.000 Now, I'm not quite there where I don't believe it, but I think with everything that's happened in the last 10, 15, 20 years, I would not be surprised if a couple of years from now we find out, hey, this baby was staged.

00:05:21.000 But I got to make one comment.

00:05:23.000 The kid reminded me, have you guys ever heard the story about the janitor, one that we were first trying to go to the moon?

00:05:29.000 Is this folklore or have you heard this one before?

00:05:31.000 I'm not familiar with this legend.

00:05:33.000 You're going to have to educate me.

00:05:35.000 Apparently, Kennedy or some high level politician was there and ran into a janitor and there was a camera on them.

00:05:44.000 And he said to the janitor, He said, What do you do here?

00:05:46.000 And the janitor said, I'm working to put a man on the moon.

00:05:50.000 And they talk about this at like, you know, like CEO or self help type seminars that like, you know, you want your team fully aligned.

00:05:58.000 That kid from that interview, he was locked in and ready to go.

00:06:02.000 Yeah.

00:06:03.000 Yeah.

00:06:03.000 That is actually a cool like leadership story.

00:06:06.000 You got the janitor who's like all in to clean the heck out of those.

00:06:09.000 Toilets because he thinks that he's helping to send somebody to the moon.

00:06:13.000 Really, we were just trying to win a PR war against the Ruskies.

00:06:17.000 Yeah, but we won it awesomely.

00:06:19.000 Yeah, even if it.

00:06:19.000 We did.

00:06:20.000 Okay.

00:06:22.000 Is it more bad?

00:06:23.000 Well, is it more cool?

00:06:25.000 Sorry, 11 year old.

00:06:27.000 This is a PG 13 show.

00:06:28.000 Is it cooler if we actually went to the moon or if we pulled off an entire, like.

00:06:35.000 Don't do this.

00:06:36.000 No, don't do any of this.

00:06:37.000 Don't do this devil's advocate stuff.

00:06:38.000 It's way cooler to go to the actual world.

00:06:40.000 It is actually cooler to fool the entire world that you went to the moon.

00:06:43.000 It's way cooler to go to the moon.

00:06:43.000 No.

00:06:44.000 I'm going to be honest.

00:06:45.000 I believe we went to the moon.

00:06:47.000 I'm very proud of that as an American.

00:06:49.000 But it is weird that it's been since 1969.

00:06:53.000 When was the last time we went to the moon?

00:06:55.000 It was like mid 70s?

00:06:56.000 Like 71 or 72.

00:06:57.000 I thought it was like 75.

00:06:59.000 We were going at like one every year or so, I think.

00:06:59.000 Am I off?

00:07:02.000 Anyways, it's just wild that it's legitimately 50 years ago that we.

00:07:07.000 And now we're not even landing on the moon, by the way.

00:07:09.000 Artemis 2, their mission is to slingshot around the moon's gravity, come back to Earth, and then by 2028, land somebody on the moon.

00:07:17.000 Yeah, I think the current plan is Artemis 4 is the one that lands on the moon.

00:07:21.000 Artemis 3 is going to be testing landing stuff in orbit around Earth, and then I think Artemis 4 is like.

00:07:27.000 They actually do it, yeah.

00:07:29.000 I just think conspiracy theorists have way too much leeway these days.

00:07:33.000 Well, I've made the observation that we went from trust the experts to only trust non experts that don't know what to tell.

00:07:42.000 And there's so many non experts.

00:07:44.000 Oh, gosh, the internet is Blake got into some fights with some non experts.

00:07:49.000 Oh man, last night.

00:07:50.000 Oh, yeah, are we going there?

00:07:51.000 Oh, if you guys want, oh man, we've got eight million.

00:07:55.000 This is what happens in Russ's, yes, dance, there's just dance.

00:07:59.000 There's just eight, you know, oh man, yeah, I'm sure every single person who is an expert on this at every single university, including in multiple countries, who'd have reasons to affirm otherwise, like they all agree on this thing.

00:08:09.000 But no, I bet this, like, podcaster who does MMA is, like, really, really on point with this thing.

00:08:16.000 He's definitely figured it out on the whole moon question.

00:08:19.000 Oh, I see.

00:08:20.000 Oh, wait.

00:08:21.000 I didn't even know that.

00:08:22.000 Rogan is.

00:08:23.000 Rogan is a big moon truther.

00:08:24.000 Is he a moon truther?

00:08:25.000 No, I've even seen tweets, like, people arguing that, like, a very real reason we're doing this mission may literally be to, like, Prove to Rogan that we can actually do it.

00:08:35.000 So, I have a family member who will remain unidentified that is a flat earther, like a legit flat earther.

00:08:45.000 Are they on like.

00:08:47.000 No, this is like a normal good person, like in a lot of ways.

00:08:51.000 This is why. 0.89

00:08:52.000 And not dumb, actually. 1.00

00:08:54.000 No, they're dumb. 1.00

00:08:57.000 About this, they are. 1.00

00:08:59.000 Cliff laughing.

00:09:00.000 About this, they are wrong.

00:09:01.000 Like, do they fly in planes?

00:09:03.000 What's that?

00:09:04.000 Do they fly in planes?

00:09:06.000 Well, so that I've had this conversation.

00:09:08.000 I was like, can you not see the curvature?

00:09:11.000 Like, if you're, if you're, if you fly, for example, from Seattle to London, which I did one time many years ago, I remember because it goes up towards the Arctic and comes down.

00:09:19.000 It's the shortest route.

00:09:21.000 And you could see the curve of the Earth very clearly.

00:09:25.000 And then you think about Artemis, like, how many things would they have had to engineer and just pre plan to fool people about the curvature of the Earth?

00:09:34.000 Because that thing was up there within like five minutes.

00:09:38.000 You could see every single commercial pilot is in on it because they plot out their courses apparently on the assumption the world is round, they'd have to do it quite differently if it wasn't.

00:09:47.000 Well, so, like, one of their points that they make is that you don't go like a lot of people fly over the Arctic, but nobody flies over Antarctica.

00:09:57.000 Are yeah, where would you be flying to?

00:09:59.000 I don't know, like maybe you were going from Australia, New Zealand to South America, yeah, and also there's probably no like airports you can land on there if anything goes wrong, yeah, but you couldn't land at an airport.

00:10:11.000 In the Arctic.

00:10:12.000 There's closer ones.

00:10:13.000 There's places you could like.

00:10:15.000 Usually, when you fly over, I don't think you're usually going over the North Pole.

00:10:19.000 Usually, you're doing more of a great survey.

00:10:21.000 I'm not sure.

00:10:21.000 I don't know.

00:10:23.000 In general, look at a map.

00:10:25.000 There's nothing in the South Pole area.

00:10:28.000 Antarctica is really far away, even from the southern tip of South America or Australia.

00:10:34.000 Also, I just can't imagine there's that many flights from Australia to Santiago, Chile, or whatever.

00:10:41.000 What's the expected time on this?

00:10:43.000 Is it like two weeks?

00:10:44.000 I mean, what are the expected time?

00:10:45.000 It's about 10 days.

00:10:46.000 It takes you like five days to get to the moon.

00:10:48.000 Didn't we hear that the bathroom malfunctioned?

00:10:51.000 Yeah, they fixed it.

00:10:52.000 They fixed it.

00:10:53.000 But you did have to worry about that because there's two women on this ship, and women need a lot of time in the bathroom. 1.00

00:11:01.000 We should have sent Mark Wayne Mullen up there.

00:11:04.000 He'd have been able to fix the bathroom pretty quickly.

00:11:06.000 Plumber Mark Wayne.

00:11:07.000 We should have sent Aerosmith on this mission because they were really good in the movie Armageddon.

00:11:12.000 There you go.

00:11:12.000 Oh, you're right.

00:11:14.000 It says, however, a few long haul routes in the southern hemisphere fly close enough to skirt or briefly enter Antarctic airspace, especially depending on winds and exact routing.

00:11:25.000 These typically offer distant views of the continent's edge or ice.

00:11:29.000 But this plays into their conspiracy theory.

00:11:31.000 Ice wall.

00:11:31.000 Because it's like, yeah, it's like a whole ice ring.

00:11:34.000 And so if you're flying close enough, you're just touching.

00:11:38.000 You could see the ice, but you don't fly over it to prove there's actually a cross.

00:11:42.000 What's their explanation for, like.

00:11:46.000 Some flights go east and some go west to get to the same spot.

00:11:52.000 You're going around like it's all a big flat disk.

00:11:55.000 Yeah, you're the disk spins.

00:11:57.000 I don't know this perfectly well.

00:11:59.000 I'm not the best guy, but the disk spins and they're flying around a disk.

00:12:02.000 And why do they believe this?

00:12:04.000 Which is why it makes sense to go over the North Pole because it shortens the distance, everything.

00:12:08.000 Just because the internet told them. 0.99

00:12:11.000 Yeah, that's yeah, I'm gonna go with the dumb. 0.99

00:12:14.000 I got three reasons here. 0.99

00:12:15.000 Grok's telling me why.

00:12:17.000 People don't fly over Antarctica.

00:12:19.000 One, no demand for direct routes, which is pretty obvious.

00:12:23.000 Safety and practical challenges, and then the lack of infrastructure.

00:12:26.000 There's only a handful of research military airstrips, mostly on ice, seasonal, and not equipped for large commercial jets.

00:12:34.000 We need an extreme.

00:12:35.000 Did you mention extreme conditions?

00:12:38.000 Yeah, I was going to say Antarctica has way more extreme weather.

00:12:40.000 Antarctica is way colder than the North Pole.

00:12:43.000 We sat in a plane for an hour waiting to get de iced just in Minneapolis.

00:12:48.000 So, God forbid, we're going over the North Pole.

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00:14:00.000 We have all these conspiracy theories about flat Earth, but we have a lot of cool stuff we could do with Antarctica.

00:14:04.000 We could go with At the Mountains of Madness, is actually a true account from H.P. Lovecraft, and if you fly over it, you'll unleash the Cthulhu horrors that will overrun humanity.

00:14:12.000 We could also say The Thing.

00:14:14.000 I think we did The Lord of the Rings on that.

00:14:15.000 We could say The Thing was a documentary, and that if we were to send planes to the South Pole, they could crash and allow The Thing to escape and consume all of humanity with its assimilative powers.

00:14:27.000 I have no idea what you're talking about.

00:14:28.000 You haven't seen The Thing?

00:14:30.000 Wait.

00:14:32.000 The thing?

00:14:33.000 You don't even know what I'm talking about?

00:14:34.000 I'm thinking of it.

00:14:35.000 He doesn't even know about the thing.

00:14:37.000 Cliff, you know what the thing is, right?

00:14:39.000 Uh oh.

00:14:40.000 Oh.

00:14:41.000 I don't.

00:14:42.000 You don't.

00:14:42.000 Ha!

00:14:43.000 No one.

00:14:44.000 Has anyone.

00:14:44.000 Okay.

00:14:45.000 Rumble chat.

00:14:45.000 Okay.

00:14:46.000 Back me up on this.

00:14:47.000 You guys have watched the movie The Thing, right?

00:14:50.000 Are you appealing to the chat for the movie The Thing?

00:14:50.000 Come on.

00:14:53.000 Yes, I'm appealing to the chat.

00:14:54.000 Who wrote it?

00:14:55.000 The Thing movie.

00:14:57.000 1982 horror?

00:14:58.000 Yeah.

00:14:59.000 The Thing, man.

00:15:00.000 It's where you can't.

00:15:01.000 Trust anyone because any of them is Kurt Russell's in it.

00:15:03.000 Yeah, Kurt Russell.

00:15:04.000 Oh, wait, I've seen this.

00:15:05.000 And it's the alien and it assimilates and poses as people.

00:15:08.000 And then they like.

00:15:09.000 It has to do with Antarctica?

00:15:10.000 Yeah, it's on an Antarctic base.

00:15:13.000 This is like one of the coolest movies ever.

00:15:30.000 And the Camp Doctor leads the camp crew in a desperate, gory battle against a vicious creature before it picks them all off one by one.

00:15:38.000 Andrew, you should do voiceover work.

00:15:40.000 It's very passionate.

00:15:41.000 Yeah, it's the movie that came out.

00:15:43.000 It was the cooler movie that came out at the same time as E.T. In a world.

00:15:49.000 You can't trust anyone.

00:15:50.000 In Antarctica.

00:15:52.000 In 1982, Kurt Russell leads a crew desperately attempting to fight back against an alien canine force.

00:15:59.000 And they didn't stop.

00:16:00.000 Oh, wow, that is pretty good.

00:16:01.000 Thank you.

00:16:01.000 Oh, wow.

00:16:02.000 Did you do.

00:16:04.000 You guys ever?

00:16:05.000 That wasn't scary.

00:16:07.000 It was beautiful.

00:16:09.000 You guys ever hear the.

00:16:10.000 I'm now diving deep into the Antarctica conspiracies.

00:16:14.000 And I had not heard this one before.

00:16:16.000 They're really secret Nazi bases.

00:16:19.000 And that's where Hitler escaped to. 0.84

00:16:20.000 I hadn't heard that before.

00:16:22.000 There's like a fun name for it, too.

00:16:25.000 It slows down the aging process.

00:16:27.000 He's the Batman villain known as Mr. Freeze.

00:16:30.000 Yeah, well, that too.

00:16:31.000 Yeah, they had like a name of it.

00:16:32.000 It's like, what was it?

00:16:34.000 Like New Swabia, New Schwabenland, they would call it.

00:16:38.000 And I believe in the moon landing.

00:16:41.000 I just want to be very clear because.

00:16:46.000 Okay, so accepting that the moon landing is real, is it, you know, we're all very excited for that kid, but is it sufficient that we are going back to the moon 60 years after we went for the first time?

00:16:56.000 We have way better film production now.

00:16:59.000 We can prove anything.

00:16:59.000 We do.

00:17:00.000 Everybody should be like, it's a hologram.

00:17:03.000 It's AI.

00:17:04.000 It's AI.

00:17:05.000 Is the mission tainted by us bringing a Canadian on this mission and not leaving him on the moon? 0.63

00:17:11.000 Thousand percent.

00:17:12.000 Yeah, we call it maple syrup Americans.

00:17:14.000 Yeah, what's that, Cliff? 0.95

00:17:16.000 It's a complete disgrace.

00:17:17.000 Complete disgrace.

00:17:18.000 I don't know how we let that pass.

00:17:20.000 Does he have an American flag on his shoulder?

00:17:23.000 Look at, and there's a woman, which got me. 1.00

00:17:26.000 Yeah, but let me say this, though.

00:17:28.000 I think the whole landing part is like, that's what's impressive.

00:17:33.000 I mean, obviously, you know, I'm not saying that getting to the moon is obviously impressive, but like, you know, what was it?

00:17:38.000 The ballpoint pen and the whole story, you know, of what happened and then getting off the moon.

00:17:43.000 Like, that to me is what, you know, you think, you think, what was the movie we were just saying?

00:17:47.000 Armageddon.

00:17:48.000 Like, you think about the landing part.

00:17:50.000 I do think that discounts the whole trip that they're not actually landing.

00:17:54.000 Well, you build up to it.

00:17:55.000 You build up to it.

00:17:56.000 It's still the first time.

00:17:57.000 That's why it's so weird we've already done it before.

00:18:00.000 Yeah.

00:18:01.000 We haven't done it for like seven years. 0.98

00:18:03.000 What's tragic is that America abandoned this, and we know why because America went all in on dumber stuff. 0.68

00:18:09.000 You know, Trump brought it back, and then Biden shelved it. 0.81

00:18:13.000 And Trump, if you know who really brought it back, amusingly, was Bush.

00:18:17.000 Remember?

00:18:19.000 Bush got really into like, we should go to the moon and land on Mars and stuff.

00:18:23.000 Well, Trump's really good.

00:18:24.000 They moved very slowly.

00:18:25.000 We should land on Mars.

00:18:27.000 This should be step one towards us going to Mars.

00:18:29.000 And we should also build a nuclear reactor.

00:18:31.000 Well, now we're in a race against China. 0.82

00:18:32.000 Because that's to take over the moon.

00:18:34.000 Yeah.

00:18:35.000 So China wants to essentially own the moon.

00:18:39.000 And we're like, we're going to do it first.

00:18:40.000 I don't know what kind of minerals are on the moon.

00:18:42.000 Like, could you mine the moon?

00:18:44.000 What's on the moon?

00:18:44.000 Oh, 100%.

00:18:45.000 I think everything.

00:18:46.000 I think anything that would have created minerals on Earth would have made them on the moon, too.

00:18:51.000 Oh, no.

00:18:52.000 There is an amazing show that I love on Amazon.

00:18:55.000 Prime or not Amazon Prime, Apple TV called For All Mankind, and it literally the whole point is like, what if the United States had won or lost the space race back in the 70s?

00:19:06.000 And then you kind of go through them landing on the moon, them putting a permanent base on the moon, then the race for Mars.

00:19:16.000 And there's a whole like the Cold War actually has a full on kinetic war on the moon.

00:19:23.000 Wow, it's kind of cool.

00:19:25.000 What if we were losing the space race to China and they were taking over the moon, would it be justified for us to blow up the moon? 0.74

00:19:39.000 Pretty sure that would have some downsides.

00:19:41.000 Yeah, that would have some serious consequences.

00:19:43.000 You guys can all be like, oh, no, don't blow up the moon.

00:19:43.000 Okay, okay.

00:19:46.000 Did you know there was an actual college professor who was obsessed with pushing the idea that we should blow up the moon?

00:19:52.000 Yes.

00:19:52.000 Really?

00:19:54.000 This is obscure.

00:19:55.000 Cliff, what were you going to say?

00:19:56.000 No, I was just looking at the Bush stuff because I'd never heard that, Blake.

00:19:59.000 And you're right.

00:20:00.000 His moon, this is W. Bush.

00:20:02.000 His moon goal was to return by 2020.

00:20:05.000 And then his Mars goal, which this is such a simple thing for W to say, was to use the moon, quote, use the moon as a stepping stone to get to Mars, which, you know, I get it.

00:20:18.000 But like, yeah, that was in 2004.

00:20:21.000 Vision for space exploration.

00:20:23.000 That was a brand name.

00:20:23.000 Yeah.

00:20:24.000 We're executing on Bush's vision in a variety of ways right now.

00:20:27.000 There you go.

00:20:29.000 An Iowa State mathematics professor, Alexander Abian, spent much of his career advocating that we destroy the moon, which he said would eliminate seasons, the wobble of the earth, and it would delete all associated events like heat waves, snowstorms, and hurricanes.

00:20:29.000 Yes, it was.

00:20:44.000 And he said that those who dismissed him were like those who dismissed Galileo.

00:20:48.000 So he said we should explode the moon.

00:20:51.000 And he was a mathematics professor, so he's smarter than all of us.

00:20:54.000 But speaking of things that are kind of cool, but also possibly lame, we also have very fascinating news out of another extreme part of.

00:21:02.000 Our universe, Mount Everest.

00:21:05.000 So, Mount Everest, the tallest mountain in the world, is in the news because Nepalese police have discovered a sinister Sherpa plot to poison Mount Everest climbers.

00:21:19.000 Apparently, they were spiking their food with baking powder or other things, causing them to fall ill so that they would then request a helicopter evacuation off of Mount Everest.

00:21:33.000 Extraordinarily.

00:21:34.000 Daunting, they would get a helicopter evac off Mount Everest, which is really expensive.

00:21:37.000 And it was a way to basically scam people into expensive helicopter evacuations off of Mount Everest.

00:21:44.000 That is extreme.

00:21:45.000 That is apparently it involved over 20 people, and it may have cost over 20 million dollars worth of expensive helicopter evacuations.

00:21:52.000 Guaranteed, it's like American insurance companies paying for it.

00:21:55.000 Oh, oh, totally, totally.

00:21:57.000 Yeah, we're like somehow the Somalians figure out a way to defraud us and the Nepalese. 1.00

00:22:03.000 It really is sinister.

00:22:05.000 Like, you think of what a cash cow just having Mount Everest is.

00:22:08.000 For the Nepalese economy.

00:22:10.000 And then these guys are like, no, it's not enough.

00:22:12.000 We have to do this insane scam on the people coming here to spend money.

00:22:15.000 Well, on top of it, too, like most of these people going up Mount Everest are rich people who are bored, anyways.

00:22:24.000 So it's like, oh, so you're going to scam them out of even more money.

00:22:27.000 Got it.

00:22:28.000 So the reason I wanted to bring this up is similar thoughts.

00:22:28.000 Roger that.

00:22:30.000 So, okay, they're scamming the people who climbed Mount Everest.

00:22:33.000 But the bigger idea, the thought crime idea, is climbing Mount Everest actually cool still?

00:22:39.000 Or is it actually kind of lame?

00:22:41.000 Yeah.

00:22:44.000 Let's be frank here.

00:22:46.000 The first guy to climb Mount Everest did it in the 50s, and he had to figure it out.

00:22:49.000 Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay, they had to figure out how to get to the top of the mountain.

00:22:54.000 And, you know, if.

00:22:55.000 They were going to die if they failed, and they had to do all the work.

00:22:59.000 But now you can just be a rich person and go climb Mount Everest.

00:23:03.000 You just, and it's the Sherpas, the local Nepalese, they do all of the hard work of figuring out.

00:23:07.000 They basically create the route up there.

00:23:10.000 You just, they guide you up the whole way.

00:23:12.000 And yeah, you can die, but a lot of people die every year.

00:23:16.000 Yeah, but you can also die in like a normal car crash too.

00:23:20.000 And I'm not a hero or brave for driving my car around Phoenix.

00:23:23.000 I think it's not exactly the same, but it is.

00:23:25.000 It's much deadlier.

00:23:26.000 Have you seen the Phoenix?

00:23:27.000 Drivers, it's bad.

00:23:28.000 It's bad.

00:23:29.000 The Nepalese, am I saying that right?

00:23:31.000 Nepal, say it however you want. 1.00

00:23:33.000 Nepalese, they, I mean, they are really impressive.

00:23:36.000 The fact that these guys go up and down, up and down, up and down, like they're impressive, they're impressive.

00:23:42.000 Yeah, they're impressive.

00:23:43.000 Not the rich white dude from the West is not so much.

00:23:47.000 Like, I remember about this was when I was in high school or so.

00:23:51.000 This guy became the first blind person to climb to the top of Mount Everest.

00:23:56.000 And yeah, you can say that's amazing, he's blind, but the other way you could phrase it is.

00:24:01.000 Okay, a blind person can do this.

00:24:03.000 It does sort of degrade the accomplishment for everybody else.

00:24:06.000 Yeah, and you know what's interesting about Mount Everest is that there's like a bunch of trash everywhere.

00:24:13.000 It's become really like dirty, the route, because so many people do it.

00:24:17.000 Well, and the standard thing is you use oxygen tanks and then you just chuck the metal tank.

00:24:21.000 It's there for the rest of eternity.

00:24:25.000 You're climbing with your climbing buddy and he gets tired, so you chuck him, his entire body, to the side to get to the top.

00:24:32.000 And abandon him.

00:24:34.000 And they do throw up the B roll of it.

00:24:36.000 It's a content warning here, but there's a lot of corpses on Mount Everest.

00:24:42.000 And in fact, some of them are important landmarks.

00:24:44.000 There's a Canadian flag.

00:24:45.000 Yeah, all right.

00:24:47.000 And this is what will happen.

00:24:48.000 You will get tired.

00:24:49.000 You'll be in the death zone, and you just get tired.

00:24:52.000 And the guides will say, You need to get up or you're going to die.

00:24:55.000 You have to keep moving.

00:24:56.000 But if you can't keep moving, they just ditch you there.

00:24:59.000 And if you're high up enough, you can't get that scam helicopter rescue.

00:25:03.000 So now you're making it sound cool to hike Mount Everest.

00:25:05.000 It's impressive.

00:25:06.000 If you hike Mount Everest, yeah, but it's also, again, it's that combo where the Sherpas are doing all the hard work.

00:25:13.000 So if you go out there and you just die and you're not doing the hard work to climb, you're just sort of hazarding high altitude and you might get altitude sickness and keel over.

00:25:23.000 It just sort of feels dumb to me.

00:25:25.000 It's the mountain climbing equivalent of getting into a cage and swimming with sharks. 0.64

00:25:33.000 Like, it's not.

00:25:34.000 I got the numbers here.

00:25:35.000 What do you guys think?

00:25:36.000 How many people die per year?

00:25:38.000 Yeah, how many people die per year?

00:25:39.000 I'm not sure I'm sold on this analogy yet.

00:25:41.000 I think it's.

00:25:42.000 I actually thought it was much higher.

00:25:44.000 Go ahead, take a guess.

00:25:45.000 Before you look it up, I got the numbers.

00:25:46.000 Take a guess, Blake.

00:25:48.000 Yeah.

00:25:48.000 I mean, I would say it's like it comes in bursts.

00:25:50.000 Like, there will be years where no one dies or one dies, and then there will be a bad storm, and maybe like 10 people die every year.

00:25:56.000 I would say average of one or two.

00:25:59.000 Last year was five, which is a pretty low number.

00:26:02.000 Eight deaths in 2024.

00:26:04.000 2023 had eight.

00:26:05.000 Deaths.

00:26:06.000 Holy moly.

00:26:06.000 And then the notable one was 2015.

00:26:08.000 There was a huge avalanche around base camp.

00:26:12.000 19 people died.

00:26:13.000 Wow.

00:26:14.000 That's lower than I thought.

00:26:15.000 I thought it would be much higher than I thought.

00:26:17.000 That's the worst of all.

00:26:18.000 You go to Everest and you just die in an avalanche at base camp. 0.99

00:26:24.000 That sucks.

00:26:25.000 I hadn't thought about it that way. 0.99

00:26:27.000 Womp, womp. 1.00

00:26:28.000 Yeah.

00:26:29.000 I mean, but I wonder how many of those were hikers and Sherpas or did the Sherpas that were like, we know how to avoid this?

00:26:34.000 It varies.

00:26:35.000 There are definitely accidents that will take out a lot of.

00:26:38.000 Sherpas.

00:26:38.000 Really?

00:26:38.000 It's just some girl named Stephanie just doing the check in list and what the Sherpa.

00:26:43.000 Now, 2014, there were 16 Sherpas because there was some sort of like that was, they were the only people that died that year.

00:26:52.000 There was some sort of ice ball collapse.

00:26:54.000 That was 2014, 16.

00:26:55.000 They're just getting back for all these Sherpa deaths that have happened throughout the year. 0.99

00:26:59.000 They're getting back at Whitey. 1.00

00:27:02.000 Yeah, I can kind of see that.

00:27:04.000 This is a dark story.

00:27:05.000 Yeah, this is, it's very dark, but no, we need comments.

00:27:08.000 If anyone has thoughts, is it lame to climb Mount Everest?

00:27:12.000 Let's see.

00:27:13.000 I don't think it's quite as lame as, you know, or like it's more harrowing than floating in a shark tank completely protected.

00:27:20.000 Because the only way you die that way is if you have some sort of like.

00:27:23.000 I mean, have you seen the videos of sharks getting stuck in there and.

00:27:28.000 Really?

00:27:28.000 And people literally like up against the back of the cage because the face got stuck in there?

00:27:32.000 Oh, no.

00:27:33.000 But I mean, I guess that makes some sense.

00:27:35.000 But it's not like if you're a small enough shark to get through a cage in a shark tank, you're probably not like a man eater kind of shark.

00:27:41.000 Andrew's the kind of guy he watches Jaws and the guy gets in the cage and he's like, I could do that.

00:27:45.000 It is scary.

00:27:47.000 He watches the Meg and he's like, Jason Stanton has nothing on me, man.

00:27:51.000 But at least the Meg is a fictional shark.

00:27:53.000 Jaws is a real shark.

00:27:55.000 Jaws is not a conspiracy.

00:27:57.000 Yeah.

00:27:58.000 Yeah, it's not a conspiracy.

00:27:59.000 Jaws is real and the moon landing's fake.

00:28:02.000 Andrew's just watching Jaws and he's like, they don't need a bigger boat.

00:28:06.000 I could take that out on a jet ski.

00:28:07.000 No, I definitely don't think so.

00:28:08.000 You know, Jaws rocked me to my core as a kid because one of the behind the scenes shows, Spielberg.

00:28:15.000 When they put the oxygen tank in the shark and then they shoot it, and then obviously the shark explodes.

00:28:20.000 And apparently, somebody technical on scene was like, Well, Steven, if you shoot an oxygen tank, it's not necessarily going to explode.

00:28:27.000 And he was just like, They'll believe that it explodes.

00:28:31.000 That was like his whole line for doing that.

00:28:33.000 Like, there's no, if you shoot an oxygen tank, it's not going to explode.

00:28:37.000 But by the way, the fact that he was just like, They'll believe it explodes goes back to the moon landing.

00:28:46.000 A good director knows what the audience will believe.

00:28:49.000 Mr. Kubrick, they'll never think this is real.

00:28:51.000 They'll believe we landed on it.

00:28:53.000 Honestly, the reason all the Kubrick conspiracy theories about the moon landing don't work is that knowing what we do about Stanley Kubrick, he would have made them redo the landing about 50 times before he'd be satisfied with the take.

00:29:05.000 So that's probably the best argument against that particular weird conspiracy.

00:29:09.000 Well, I actually, again, I believe the moon landing happened.

00:29:12.000 I just understand why some don't.

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00:30:22.000 Cliff, we have to start with you here.

00:30:23.000 Since you weren't a part of this conversation, do you believe the Lord of the Rings to be overtly pagan or not?

00:30:33.000 So let me give my political answer first.

00:30:37.000 You'll be very disappointed in me.

00:30:39.000 So, in a past life, I think Andrew might know this, but I was a math teacher and I taught in New Zealand.

00:30:46.000 And so I got to go to Hobbiton.

00:30:48.000 It was an interesting trip.

00:30:50.000 I had never seen the series.

00:30:51.000 So, talk about being a bad guest.

00:30:53.000 And somebody who cannot comment, I have no clue.

00:30:57.000 I've obviously seen clips, but I did not feel the Lord Jesus Christ when I was at Hobbiton.

00:31:03.000 That is my thought for this conversation.

00:31:06.000 You can score one for Jack right there.

00:31:08.000 Yeah, yep.

00:31:09.000 I don't get these takes where it's like it's pagan unless Frodo collapses on his knees and confesses Jesus as his Lord and Savior.

00:31:17.000 But admittedly, it went quite viral.

00:31:19.000 I got sent, I have friends in Europe who also don't know that I work on this program who were sending me that clip.

00:31:27.000 So let's remind people what it was.

00:31:30.000 Let's do clip 14. 0.99

00:31:31.000 I've heard people try to make the argument that Lord of the Rings is overtly Christian.

00:31:36.000 And I hate to burst the bubble, guys, but you're just wrong.

00:31:39.000 There's nothing overtly Christian about Lord of the Rings.

00:31:42.000 There's no church in it.

00:31:43.000 There's no faith in it.

00:31:45.000 There's no Christ figure.

00:31:46.000 There's none of these things.

00:31:48.000 And honestly, Lord of the Rings, if it's anything, Lord of the Rings is overtly pagan.

00:31:53.000 I would like the record to reflect that when I was nodding and smiling, it was because I've Heard that take before, not because I agreed with Jack.

00:32:01.000 I was going to say, Go get me that final frame.

00:32:04.000 This is my defense.

00:32:05.000 Give me the final frame.

00:32:06.000 My face goes like, he goes overtly pagan. 0.77

00:32:09.000 And I go, Because he was thinking he agrees with it.

00:32:14.000 Unless you were trying to hold back a sneeze.

00:32:16.000 Well, that was not what I was trying to do.

00:32:17.000 I was like, Huh.

00:32:19.000 Hmm.

00:32:20.000 All right.

00:32:20.000 Well, everyone got very spirited about it.

00:32:22.000 Everyone was ganging up on Jack.

00:32:24.000 They were all going after him.

00:32:25.000 And so he, I believe, he insisted he had to call back in.

00:32:28.000 Oh, he did defend himself.

00:32:29.000 So I think we've got him on hold.

00:32:32.000 Jack, are you there?

00:32:34.000 Are they still crying?

00:32:36.000 Are they still crying?

00:32:38.000 They're still crying.

00:32:39.000 Is that what's going on right now?

00:32:42.000 The Lord of the Rings, like, Lord of the Rings is Catholic people are still crying about this. 0.74

00:32:51.000 What's that I hear?

00:32:52.000 What's this I hear?

00:32:53.000 Oh, it's Jack's theme music.

00:32:55.000 It's the Lord of the Rings music.

00:32:56.000 Jack's favorite music.

00:32:57.000 He listens to this regularly.

00:32:59.000 All right, Jack.

00:33:00.000 What's weird is that, like, really. 0.98

00:33:04.000 So, what's really weird about this is that, like, really stupid people who don't have brain cells thought that I was saying that I didn't like Lord of the Rings or, like, that Lord of the Rings was bad or that I. Like, the amount of hallucinations and drugs that people were taking, kind of like the earlier Lord of the Rings fans who were the hippies. 0.97

00:33:27.000 It was just amazing to see all of these things that people responding to that I literally didn't say.

00:33:33.000 Because people forget what it is.

00:33:34.000 We were talking about this because of the Stephen Colbert sequel to Lord of the Rings.

00:33:39.000 And the whole point of it was me trying to explain why someone who's like an arch liberal would like Lord of the Rings, but then someone who's like an arch conservative like JD Vance would also like the same series.

00:33:52.000 And it's amazing to me that, man, not only did I burst the bubble, I burst it so bad that they're still crying about it.

00:33:59.000 And I've also realized that people don't know what the word overt means.

00:34:04.000 Where, yes, overt means on the surface level, which is actually something that was said by, wait for it, J.R.R. Tolkien, the writer of the series, who said that he eliminated religion from the series and it is not found until you review it further.

00:34:23.000 All right.

00:34:25.000 Do you buy this?

00:34:26.000 Do you buy his defense here?

00:34:28.000 I don't.

00:34:30.000 No.

00:34:30.000 What do you mean do I buy it?

00:34:31.000 It's just true.

00:34:34.000 Fair enough.

00:34:34.000 I don't know.

00:34:35.000 I just feel like this is.

00:34:37.000 I don't know.

00:34:37.000 I just think he's picking a fight.

00:34:39.000 He's picking a fight over the wrong thing with the wrong people.

00:34:42.000 I want to get the original one that wins.

00:34:46.000 I want to get the.

00:34:48.000 Send me the original post from Human Events.

00:34:52.000 Roger that.

00:34:53.000 I want to because some people brought up some good points, Jack, and I want to give you a chance.

00:34:58.000 It's amazing.

00:34:59.000 Go ahead.

00:34:59.000 I mean, I'm happy to respond to all the incorrect points that people were making.

00:35:04.000 You know, there were a couple, there were some people who came to your defense as well, like Joshua Lysak.

00:35:10.000 He had your back.

00:35:13.000 Let me see here.

00:35:13.000 I can't find the original.

00:35:14.000 New York Times multiple bestselling author, Joshua Lysak.

00:35:20.000 There it is.

00:35:20.000 Okay.

00:35:21.000 All right.

00:35:21.000 Communist.

00:35:22.000 It's like communist.

00:35:24.000 Okay, so let's just deal with the community note, Jack.

00:35:27.000 It says, in letter 142 to Father Robert Murray, J.R.R. Tolkien describes Lord of the Rings as a fundamentally religious and Catholic work.

00:35:37.000 So, in that letter, they clipped off the end of what he said.

00:35:41.000 He said it's fundamental in the sense that it's at the lower level, but he also says that he eliminated religion from the series itself and that you don't encounter it until you go into the lower level, like until upon the revision.

00:35:58.000 So he removed all of the overt elements of religion.

00:36:02.000 So all of the Lord of the Rings fans got really, really mad and decided to take their own favorite author out of context.

00:36:12.000 It's really sad, actually.

00:36:14.000 Why are you guys twisting the words of Tolkien if you love him so much?

00:36:17.000 This is interesting.

00:36:18.000 So, Tom Roswell, you can find him on X at Tom Rosell.

00:36:26.000 Sorry, Rosell, R O W S E L L. 1.00

00:36:28.000 He says, Pagan here.

00:36:31.000 Tolkien was Catholic and Lord of the Rings is pagan mythology repurposed and imbued with Christian morality.

00:36:37.000 It isn't actually pagan.

00:36:39.000 So it's kind of like a quasi, which is kind of what I think you were saying, actually.

00:36:47.000 And a lot of people made the point, Jack, that since Middle Earth and the whole theme is, what, 10,000 years before our current moment or something like that, it was like some mythological antiquity that it couldn't have.

00:37:02.000 Christ had not come yet at that point, so it had to be pre Christian, but it was imbued with Christian morality, pagan mythology imbued with Christian morality.

00:37:11.000 Would you agree with that presentation from this pagan?

00:37:14.000 I certainly would, because again, the pagan here is not understanding what I'm saying. 1.00

00:37:20.000 I didn't say anything about the morality of the series, I was talking about the overt surface level elements of the story dwarves, elves, knights, dragons.

00:37:33.000 Wizards.

00:37:34.000 Again, this is all pagan mythology.

00:37:37.000 Gandalf is basically a version of Odin.

00:37:40.000 You have a pantheon of gods and one higher god.

00:37:45.000 Again, this is all just pagan mythology.

00:37:48.000 As Tolkien himself said many times.

00:37:51.000 Gandalf is a guide.

00:37:52.000 He's not Odin.

00:37:53.000 He's an angel.

00:37:55.000 That's more of what Tolkien was saying.

00:37:57.000 But I did have to.

00:37:59.000 So Tolkien himself.

00:38:00.000 Well, don't lie.

00:38:02.000 Don't twist Tolkien.

00:38:03.000 Tolkien himself said that Gandalf is based on Odin.

00:38:08.000 In the sense of wandering, not in the sense of like actually like Odin, but the core of it is that, you know, as with Christianity, it's absolute truth.

00:38:21.000 Like Lord of the Rings is written with, at its core, absolute truth as in good versus evil.

00:38:30.000 Whereas in paganism, there is no like absolute truth.

00:38:34.000 There's just, there's relative morality, if that's the right word that I'm thinking of.

00:38:39.000 Somebody, this one got some play here.

00:38:42.000 It says, it's not like Norse mythology.

00:38:44.000 Okay, but that's the morality.

00:38:47.000 That's not, we're just talking overt.

00:38:51.000 Again, I didn't say anything about the morality.

00:38:54.000 Oh, I think he's got a delay.

00:38:56.000 That's still overtly.

00:38:58.000 The morality part is overtly Christian.

00:39:03.000 I know what overtly means.

00:39:04.000 I'm just saying, it's still overtly Christian.

00:39:07.000 It's expensive.

00:39:08.000 No, but that's a different, okay, but you're just making a different argument than I was making.

00:39:13.000 Okay.

00:39:14.000 Fair enough.

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00:40:08.000 I feel like if something's pagan, it's got to have actual pagan gods in it.

00:40:11.000 And there's only one god in Lord of the Rings, and it's explicitly like the Christian god.

00:40:15.000 So.

00:40:16.000 Yeah, but that's not true.

00:40:18.000 There are powerful creatures called the Velar that operate as sort of a pantheon of gods.

00:40:23.000 Okay, but like a velociraptor is a powerful creature.

00:40:25.000 It's not a pagan god.

00:40:26.000 No, but it's obviously like, to his point, it's magical or holds power.

00:40:30.000 Well, so is Narnia.

00:40:32.000 So is Narnia.

00:40:33.000 Narnia has.

00:40:34.000 Yeah.

00:40:34.000 It's supposedly a.

00:40:36.000 It's an allegory, right?

00:40:37.000 Right.

00:40:37.000 Narnia is an allegory of the Bible.

00:40:39.000 Has centaurs.

00:40:40.000 Oh, here comes the what about ism.

00:40:42.000 Here comes the what about ism.

00:40:45.000 Not even just that, but like.

00:40:46.000 No, but that's your point, Jack.

00:40:48.000 It has magical creatures, but it's, in your own words, it is a direct allegory of the Bible because it has Christ in it.

00:40:57.000 Well, actually, in Narnia, Christ is a lion.

00:41:02.000 I don't know that Christ is a lion in our world, but there's magical creatures in Narnia, unlike.

00:41:10.000 And unlike that, you would have to take that up with J.R.

00:41:15.000 Well, you would find yourself in disagreement with J.R.R. Tolkien then, because J.R.R. Tolkien said that Narnia is a direct allegory of the Bible.

00:41:24.000 So here's an interesting one, Jack.

00:41:28.000 This is from Oktoboyo.

00:41:32.000 It says it pulls most heavily from Norse mythology.

00:41:36.000 Take the Volsunga saga, for example, which revolves around.

00:41:40.000 Loci stealing a ring from a dwarf, which is then cursed to bring death and destruction to whoever owns it.

00:41:46.000 This also inspired Richard Wagner's famous Ring Cycle opera.

00:41:51.000 That's kind of an interesting one.

00:41:52.000 You know, I'm just still getting hung up on this point.

00:41:55.000 It has powerful creatures.

00:41:55.000 Okay, well, the Bible has those angels who fall to earth.

00:41:59.000 It's got the Nephilim.

00:42:01.000 It's got the devil and his angels are popping up in Revelations.

00:42:06.000 We have demons possessing people.

00:42:08.000 And yeah, God has power over them, but they are portrayed as existing.

00:42:14.000 Look, we can go around and around and split hairs on all this all day long.

00:42:21.000 And believe me, I'd love to.

00:42:23.000 I love this stuff way more than politics, as you can tell.

00:42:27.000 Obviously, we're all into it.

00:42:29.000 I like Tolkien.

00:42:30.000 I like Lord of the Rings.

00:42:32.000 I saw people accusing me of saying that I didn't like it.

00:42:34.000 I didn't say that at all, actually.

00:42:36.000 And what I was trying to get at, I guess, if anything, was that I think that for the current moment, we do need.

00:42:44.000 Things that are more explicitly Christian because we live in such a fallen society right now that we need things that aren't just Christian morality, like below the surface.

00:42:56.000 I'm talking about overt outward displays of Christianity and the Christian symbology.

00:43:05.000 I think that's really important.

00:43:07.000 And you see a lot of that in society today where people are bringing back those Christian symbols.

00:43:13.000 I'm talking about like.

00:43:15.000 What should we use as a tool to evangelize?

00:43:19.000 And as great as Lord of the Rings is, I just don't think it's great of a tool if you're explicitly trying to bring people to the cross.

00:43:27.000 I mean, it might be good as like a really, really outward gateway drug, but it has spawned so many pagans and neo pagans and Wiccans and elvish otherkin. 0.69

00:43:38.000 In fact, the word otherkin itself comes from Lord of the Rings fans who originally were like the hippies and the counterculture left.

00:43:47.000 So, you know, it's kind of a work that can be taken multiple ways.

00:43:52.000 And I've thought, as great as it is, you know, it's just not something that I would use for that function.

00:43:57.000 I mean, Stephen Colbert is a Catholic.

00:43:59.000 I mean, I'm not saying he's a good guy.

00:44:01.000 We're going to go wrong with that.

00:44:02.000 No, I think I feel like the best.

00:44:06.000 Oh, like Joe Biden?

00:44:07.000 Come on.

00:44:08.000 I'm just saying.

00:44:08.000 It's not like Colbert is distinctly self professing Catholic.

00:44:13.000 Well, okay.

00:44:14.000 So we have one more topic we want to get.

00:44:16.000 So I want to make one more final argument to Jack.

00:44:18.000 Okay.

00:44:19.000 And it's this.

00:44:27.000 Yeah!

00:44:29.000 That's great.

00:44:30.000 I have to say, though, real quick.

00:44:32.000 All right, Blake.

00:44:33.000 Well, talking about.

00:44:34.000 You got me there, Blake.

00:44:35.000 You got me there.

00:44:37.000 I have to say, though, specifically when it comes to evangelizing, I don't know any of my friends that are not Christian who would.

00:44:52.000 whose eyes don't glaze over the minute I start talking about anything that is fundamentally like.

00:44:58.000 In your face, spoon fed, like here's the gospel message right off.

00:45:03.000 Because growing up, my mom used to have these movies from Pure Flicks, and every single one is poorly made, but it's just the Bible thrown in your face. 0.97

00:45:15.000 And it just didn't work.

00:45:17.000 But something with Lord of the Rings is like you still have the opportunity to take something that is good material, it's a good book, it's a good movie, and you're able to walk through.

00:45:31.000 The elements of the gospel and the elements of Christianity with something like Lord of the Rings that a non Christian can get behind because they're not being just pummeled over the head with the gospel.

00:45:44.000 Like, we're supposed to be salt and light, we're supposed to be out there, we're supposed to be all of that.

00:45:49.000 And I agree with that.

00:45:51.000 But at the same time, most non Christians do not care to listen to the gospel message right off the bat. 0.99

00:46:02.000 You have to tease them in, you have to bring them in in some way.

00:46:05.000 Shape or form.

00:46:06.000 And that's what Lord of the Rings has done for generations, even just with the books, but then once the movies came out.

00:46:14.000 So that's all I'm going to say.

00:46:16.000 That's my final word on it.

00:46:17.000 I think my argument was a bit better.

00:46:19.000 Yeah, fair.

00:46:23.000 I'm not going to say it doesn't lead to conversions.

00:46:27.000 I mean, JD Vance, of course, is a great example of that.

00:46:30.000 You know, to steal, man, your argument that, you know, here's, and of course, JD's got a book coming out as well about his conversion and his like return to the faith.

00:46:39.000 And And we know that he has talked about Lord of the Rings in this context before.

00:46:46.000 And so I'm not going to discount anything of that.

00:46:49.000 And I'll point out that obviously that's a great example.

00:46:52.000 But at the same time, JD Vance is a unicorn.

00:46:55.000 And we do not have a lot of JD Vances.

00:46:57.000 You will not run across a lot of them.

00:46:59.000 So I wouldn't want to say that the unicorn is always the best way.

00:47:04.000 But you're right.

00:47:05.000 Obviously, the pure flakes stuff.

00:47:06.000 And I'm not knocking those guys at all.

00:47:08.000 But I get what you're saying in terms of the criticism there.

00:47:11.000 And no, I would also not hold up that stuff either.

00:47:14.000 A lot of the comments.

00:47:15.000 By the way, were that Tolkien never said that Narnia was too overtly Christian?

00:47:19.000 That wasn't the problem.

00:47:20.000 The problem was that it was too allegorical and he preferred more sophisticated or more vague, less on the nose.

00:47:28.000 Yeah, whatever.

00:47:29.000 You know, all of that.

00:47:30.000 Symbolism.

00:47:31.000 He was all there, all butthurt because Tolkien was an Anglican and everything. 0.75

00:47:34.000 I mean, that's splitting.

00:47:35.000 That's semantics.

00:47:37.000 We're talking about the same thing.

00:47:39.000 Like overt, allegorical, overtly.

00:47:43.000 Again, you're splitting here.

00:47:45.000 That's semantics.

00:47:45.000 It's the same thing.

00:47:47.000 All right, well, Jack.

00:47:49.000 We should be talking about VeggieTales and whether that went woke or not.

00:47:52.000 I'm looking for that opinion.

00:47:53.000 I'm not going to watch any VeggieTales.

00:47:54.000 Oh, it did.

00:47:55.000 It 100% did.

00:47:55.000 As somebody who grew up on VeggieTales, I'm sure it did, but.

00:47:58.000 Everything.

00:47:58.000 Okay, just don't watch VeggieTales made after 2003 or whatever.

00:48:02.000 Yes, yes.

00:48:02.000 Just watch the old ones.

00:48:04.000 All right, so the final topic is something.

00:48:07.000 Well, we got to.

00:48:08.000 Jack's got to bounce, we know.

00:48:09.000 Yeah, Jack's got to.

00:48:10.000 Jack's got to bounce, Jack?

00:48:11.000 Yeah, Jack's got to intro an event that's going on soon.

00:48:15.000 Does he have to bounce now?

00:48:16.000 I believe so.

00:48:17.000 I mean, I can hang.

00:48:20.000 I can hang for a little bit, actually, because we have, like, here.

00:48:26.000 I'm backstage at George Washington, and the event is filling up.

00:48:29.000 I see a ton of kids.

00:48:31.000 I've got, like, a camera feed.

00:48:32.000 A ton of kids are coming in.

00:48:35.000 Erica, the team are here.

00:48:36.000 Carolyn Levitt's going to be here.

00:48:38.000 I mean, this is going to be a huge event.

00:48:39.000 It's the kickoff of this is the turning point.

00:48:43.000 I can hang for, like, a couple more, maybe one more topic.

00:48:46.000 I hang for a couple more.

00:48:46.000 All righty.

00:48:47.000 Well, then you're very lucky because we have great images.

00:48:49.000 We're going to go from overtly Christian or pagan to overtly something. 0.68

00:48:53.000 All righty.

00:48:54.000 We're going to talk about.

00:48:55.000 We're going to talk about the most famous person from South Dakota.

00:48:58.000 There's two false gods in this picture.

00:49:00.000 We have to talk about the most famous person from South Dakota right now, and that is.

00:49:05.000 Oh, no.

00:49:05.000 Ryan, no.

00:49:08.000 Yeah, all right.

00:49:09.000 We gave you the option to jump.

00:49:11.000 I'm a big fan.

00:49:12.000 We gave you the option to bounce.

00:49:13.000 I'm a big fan of my home state, but there have been strange reportings and rumblings from it in the past week.

00:49:21.000 So many of us, myself included, felt a lot of sympathy.

00:49:26.000 For the husband of Christy Nome, because of the widespread rumors about her amorous activities with another person.

00:49:34.000 And he was at her hearing testifying before Congress when they were grilling her about this.

00:49:39.000 It was all very strange.

00:49:40.000 Everyone felt very bad, but someone didn't feel bad.

00:49:43.000 Instead, they just went and leaked his entire private life to the Daily Mail.

00:49:47.000 There are reports that she had been talking about this behind the scenes for a while.

00:49:52.000 It's very possible.

00:49:53.000 I don't know what the reports are, but apparently, just to catch people up on it, Brian Gnome has some sort of hobby, and that hobby is.

00:50:04.000 Look, we should be clear.

00:50:08.000 Which of us hasn't inflated a balloon and then shoved it down our shirt to pretend that it's a cartoonishly large pair of breasts so that we can then send a bunch of money to strippers because we have a bimbo vacation phase? 0.93

00:50:24.000 I'm getting notification.

00:50:25.000 It turns out I actually do have to go.

00:50:28.000 There's.

00:50:30.000 Situation I have to deal with.

00:50:32.000 Run, Jack.

00:50:32.000 Run.

00:50:33.000 Yeah.

00:50:34.000 You guys, man, you guys have a great time.

00:50:38.000 I'm out here with Turning Point USA.

00:50:40.000 I don't know if you heard of them.

00:50:41.000 Great organization.

00:50:42.000 I'm just going to be with those guys tonight.

00:50:45.000 Have fun with them.

00:50:46.000 I understand, Jack.

00:50:47.000 I understand.

00:50:48.000 All right.

00:50:48.000 I wish I could run.

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00:52:10.000 So, this is actually, this is kind of, man.

00:52:13.000 Why do you feel bad for him, Blake?

00:52:14.000 Well, I guess what I would say is it's very bad.

00:52:17.000 It is very bad. 0.65

00:52:18.000 It's gross. 0.97

00:52:18.000 It's basically transgenderism adjacent. 0.97

00:52:21.000 Like, we should honestly be happy he hasn't already truned out, as it were.

00:52:26.000 But at the same time, my understanding is he basically.

00:52:30.000 He was never leaking anything against his wife.

00:52:33.000 He was never doing anything publicly to humiliate her.

00:52:37.000 And there's something off about me that this is bad.

00:52:40.000 This is 100% bad, and he should not do it.

00:52:42.000 But he also was not a public figure.

00:52:44.000 He didn't hold any office.

00:52:45.000 He was an insurance salesman in, I think, Castlewood, South Dakota.

00:52:49.000 I can't remember the name because I've never been to it.

00:52:51.000 It's that small.

00:52:52.000 That's who he is.

00:52:53.000 And he just like blasted on the Daily Mail.

00:52:56.000 And in some sense, it's almost like blasting any random person for doing that.

00:53:01.000 And if this guy is not.

00:53:03.000 Publicly putting himself out there, if he's not a lawmaker himself, something feels very dark about just leaking all of that.

00:53:10.000 But that said, it is very gross.

00:53:13.000 So, this is what Ryan James Gurdesky was reporting. 0.97

00:53:16.000 He said, I mentioned on my podcast months ago that one of Trump's cabinet members was telling reporters off the record that her husband was gay.

00:53:23.000 I didn't name Nate Gnome by name out of respect for privacy, but to say she had no idea really flies in the face of what she was saying.

00:53:34.000 And Ryan.

00:53:35.000 This is a little bit different from being gay. 0.93

00:53:37.000 So, Ryan, well, it could just be, I don't know.

00:53:41.000 It could be part of the same sort of thing.

00:53:42.000 Well, what it is is based on what it is, it's autogynephilia.

00:53:46.000 That's what's going on with cross dressers.

00:53:48.000 It's that his kink is like that himself becoming the woman he is attracted to. 0.88

00:53:54.000 So, it's a particularly messed up form of being straight.

00:53:58.000 What he's saying is in the report, she's like a spokesman.

00:54:03.000 Foregnome basically says she's devastated.

00:54:06.000 She had no idea.

00:54:07.000 Please respect their privacy, kind of thing.

00:54:10.000 Saying she's devastated, and the family is blindsided by this.

00:54:13.000 They're asking for privacy and prayer, which is a funny way to put it.

00:54:17.000 Blindsided.

00:54:18.000 Maybe you could say that she was telling the truth, that she's blindsided by the fact that the report went public.

00:54:23.000 Okay. 0.99

00:54:25.000 Or she's blindsided by this revelation that her husband is dressing up with fake huge boobs. 0.99

00:54:30.000 Or she could just be not telling the truth. 0.99

00:54:31.000 Or she could just be.

00:54:32.000 Come on, guys.

00:54:33.000 We can't justify this.

00:54:35.000 This is demonic.

00:54:36.000 This is wild.

00:54:37.000 Who's just and what gets me?

00:54:39.000 No, no, I don't.

00:54:40.000 I mean, like, when we talk about it, it's like, all right, well, why would he do this?

00:54:43.000 It's weird.

00:54:44.000 And I got to say this I am always so impressed with how I always think, oh, you know, I've seen it all.

00:54:53.000 And there is something about political power.

00:54:55.000 And look, yeah, he might not be a public figure, but his wife's a cabinet member. 0.92

00:54:59.000 There's just something in the political world where these sexual deviants come out and it's like they're challenging or trying to do what.

00:55:07.000 Is not allowed.

00:55:08.000 It's almost like they're attracted to do things that are deemed not appropriate.

00:55:12.000 But seeing this story, I mean, I shouldn't even look at the photos.

00:55:16.000 The guy is weird.

00:55:17.000 He's got a problem.

00:55:18.000 And it's just, to me, it's almost hilarious that some of this stuff comes out because any normal person looks at this and is like, what the hell is going on in the political world in America?

00:55:29.000 Well, just to offer context, because we're going to have Libs bully Brian Know about this.

00:55:33.000 And yet we had to pretend for years on end that, what's her name in the Biden administration?

00:55:40.000 Rachel Levine, that Rachel Levine was like a totally normal person and totally a real woman.

00:55:45.000 Richard Levine, whatever.

00:55:46.000 Well, and then on top of that, Sam Brinton, totally normal dude.

00:55:50.000 While he's, I mean, at least what we'll say, Brian Gnome, nobody, at least he, so far, no one so far has accused him of stealing anyone's luggage.

00:55:59.000 I don't really want to take any Polymarket bets on what he might have been doing with his wife's clothes.

00:56:05.000 And if Cliff hates those photos, he's going to hate the ones coming up next.

00:56:09.000 This, oh gosh.

00:56:10.000 Wait, what?

00:56:11.000 Hold on.

00:56:12.000 What?

00:56:13.000 Uh, You know what?

00:56:14.000 I do my job well.

00:56:15.000 That's all I'm going to say.

00:56:17.000 I was asked and I. Asked by whom?

00:56:20.000 You know, I'm going to throw Angelo under the bus on this one.

00:56:23.000 He was like, hey, this will be funny.

00:56:24.000 I agree.

00:56:25.000 I thought it was funny.

00:56:27.000 Yeah, let's pull up photo 18.

00:56:31.000 Wait, what are we about to see here?

00:56:32.000 Oh, just wait.

00:56:34.000 It'll be.

00:56:35.000 Wait, there it is.

00:56:36.000 There it is.

00:56:37.000 What's that?

00:56:38.000 19?

00:56:39.000 Hold on.

00:56:40.000 Oh, 20? 0.66

00:56:42.000 That was disgusting.

00:56:44.000 Oh, 21. 0.98

00:56:49.000 This is pagan.

00:56:51.000 22?

00:56:52.000 Why did Cliff get such a.

00:56:54.000 Cliff's?

00:56:55.000 Cliff's is way more low key.

00:56:56.000 Looked deflated.

00:56:56.000 Pagan.

00:56:57.000 Yeah.

00:56:57.000 And 22.

00:56:58.000 Doesn't look weird.

00:57:00.000 And then, of course.

00:57:01.000 All right.

00:57:01.000 Okay.

00:57:02.000 So that's Marco Rubio auditioning for the job of Christy Noam's next husband, I suppose.

00:57:06.000 You're welcome.

00:57:07.000 You're welcome, Bach Ryan.

00:57:09.000 You know, if you're only listening to this on a podcast episode, you're lucky.

00:57:13.000 And we're not going to tell you what you missed.

00:57:15.000 Hold on.

00:57:15.000 The Jack one was really funny, though.

00:57:17.000 Hold on.

00:57:18.000 Yeah, throw that one back up. 0.98

00:57:19.000 That was funny.

00:57:20.000 Jack is here with us in spirit.

00:57:22.000 The reason is so funny. 0.98

00:57:23.000 Is it looks like one of those, uh, pagan, those like, uh, adult, uh, you know, female books that's like, you know, it's like porn for women, you know? 0.65

00:57:33.000 The, the, I know, I don't understand. 0.97

00:57:35.000 No, you're digging yourself a hole in this one.

00:57:37.000 You're gonna have to describe these books.

00:57:39.000 Whoa, whoa, you're throwing me under the bus now.

00:57:42.000 Yes, I am.

00:57:42.000 Oh, just suddenly getting attacked by Andrew.

00:57:45.000 His stare kind of going, you know, it just worked.

00:57:49.000 Oh, like that facial expression you had last week with Jack when he was talking about the paganism.

00:57:54.000 You were defending yourself with your facial expression.

00:57:56.000 You should have done, Rush.

00:57:57.000 You should have put.

00:57:58.000 You should have done the prosthetics with that face rather.

00:58:01.000 Oh, you know, it was already hard to try to get Grok to add chesticles to all of y'all.

00:58:06.000 But.

00:58:08.000 So here's the thought.

00:58:09.000 What if Brian Nome had just come out and just said, that's an AI pick and it's all fake?

00:58:14.000 I thought about it.

00:58:15.000 That could have been a defense.

00:58:16.000 But you can run it through AI software.

00:58:19.000 You can run it through AI software and find out if it actually is.

00:58:22.000 And, you know, guaranteed reporters would have been like, we ran the photo through AI and it is not AI.

00:58:26.000 Yeah, and he could just be like, they're full of it.

00:58:28.000 Now it's AI.

00:58:29.000 So what you do, especially with X's algorithm right now.

00:58:32.000 You take that, the actual photo, you throw it into AI, make a bunch of AI photos of it, and then just get a bunch of people to circulate it around X.

00:58:41.000 And then all of a sudden, you don't know what's what and what's.

00:58:44.000 This is full on.

00:58:45.000 We are cooked, aren't we?

00:58:47.000 The AI.

00:58:48.000 Well, I'll tell you who is cooked.

00:58:49.000 None of us can run for political office now that we all just laughed at those photos with the screenshots.

00:58:57.000 I mean, I was disgusted for the record.

00:59:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:00.000 But good thing I wasn't planning on running for political office.

00:59:03.000 Fair enough.

00:59:03.000 Oh, man.

00:59:04.000 Although I do see a Russ congressional seat at some point.

00:59:08.000 Oh, yeah.

00:59:09.000 No, that ain't happening.

00:59:10.000 Yeah.

00:59:11.000 Especially after you aced the Lord of the Rings question.

00:59:15.000 You're stuck.

00:59:16.000 Hey, you know what?

00:59:17.000 I got marked safe by Nerdronic and the guys.

00:59:20.000 I'm fully okay with that.

00:59:22.000 I don't understand why I didn't get marked safe.

00:59:23.000 Why was I not marked safe?

00:59:25.000 Because you hadn't watched it.

00:59:27.000 The problem was you explained that you hadn't seen it in like 10 years.

00:59:31.000 I mean, that makes me a normal human.

00:59:33.000 Well, that's like.

00:59:35.000 No.

00:59:36.000 Like, I saw them when they came out and when they were, you know, on the streamers at first.

00:59:41.000 Fair enough.

00:59:42.000 What if every member of the fellowship had the Brian Gnome look?

00:59:45.000 Oh, no.

00:59:47.000 I don't want to do that.

00:59:49.000 I clock out.

00:59:49.000 Please tell me you guys don't have those photos.

00:59:52.000 I don't know.

00:59:52.000 All the orcs.

00:59:53.000 Grok is going to start being like, what is wrong with you, right?

00:59:57.000 We're turning you off, yeah.

00:59:58.000 Man, there'd be a lot of subtle political commentary if you bimboed up the orcs. 1.00

01:00:03.000 They'd kind of resent.

01:00:04.000 They really would just basically.

01:00:05.000 Well, Rings of Power kind of already did that.

01:00:07.000 Yeah, so I've heard.

01:00:09.000 I actually sort of, just to wrap it up, put a fine point on it.

01:00:12.000 It feels like some people are alleging that potentially our ex cabinet secretary was aware of this, maybe helped leak it.

01:00:20.000 We have no knowledge of that being the truth, but we do have reporting that says she was aware of it and not blindsided by it.

01:00:26.000 It'd be hard to not be aware of it.

01:00:27.000 Either or, it is a sad story because they do have kids and I feel bad for them.

01:00:33.000 So hopefully.

01:00:36.000 It's rough when something like that destroys a family.

01:00:39.000 Yeah.

01:00:39.000 Hopefully they can pick up the pieces.

01:00:41.000 And I don't know what the future for the family is.

01:00:44.000 I don't know how she didn't know.

01:00:46.000 As big as those prosthetics or whatever you call them, what did you call them?

01:00:52.000 Chesticles.

01:00:53.000 Yeah, chesticles.

01:00:54.000 As big as they were, I don't know where you're hiding those now.

01:00:57.000 They were a balloon.

01:00:58.000 It was a balloon.

01:00:59.000 That's tough.

01:00:59.000 Yeah, it's a balloon.

01:01:00.000 Yeah.

01:01:01.000 You throw them in the trash. 0.67

01:01:03.000 That's why they were so wonky. 0.85

01:01:04.000 Yeah.

01:01:05.000 You guys have a lot of experience in detail on this.

01:01:08.000 I'm very impressed.

01:01:10.000 Russ is the one with all these.

01:01:11.000 I'm new.

01:01:12.000 I just got here last week.

01:01:14.000 You're not new.

01:01:15.000 You've seen all this.

01:01:16.000 That's true.

01:01:17.000 Carnage.

01:01:17.000 That's true.

01:01:18.000 Any final thoughts?

01:01:20.000 Lord of the Rings is Christian culture.

01:01:22.000 Thank you and good night.

01:01:24.000 I'm going to have to agree with you on that one.

01:01:27.000 But if you're a dude dressing up like a woman, that is not Christian culture. 0.66

01:01:31.000 Facts.

01:01:34.000 Andrew, let me give a quick shout out.

01:01:36.000 Erica came out with Tyler.

01:01:38.000 To open up the Las Vegas headquarters.

01:01:40.000 Want to say congrats.

01:01:41.000 Really excited about the partnership between my group, Citizens Alliance, and Turning Point.

01:01:45.000 We got a lot of swing states we're going to be battling.

01:01:48.000 Obviously, as Charlie's vision, work backwards from 2028 with the presidential.

01:01:52.000 And in 2026, I think it's going to be a tough year, but I think we're obviously going to do the work, do the ground game, and really excited about that partnership.

01:02:01.000 We'll have a lot more details over the next couple months as we roll things out.

01:02:05.000 Yeah, that was a big, big development.

01:02:08.000 Nevada is.

01:02:09.000 Key to building the red wall along with New Hampshire and Arizona.

01:02:13.000 So, we're by the way, if you guys want to get involved with what we're doing, they're turningpoint action, turningpointaction.com.

01:02:18.000 Um, obviously, there's also Cliff's work, Citizens Alliance, but uh, it's a great partnership.

01:02:24.000 So, congrats as well, Cliff.

01:02:26.000 I know you're central to that whole vision.

01:02:28.000 So, big, big moves.

01:02:29.000 And like I said, there's so much.

01:02:31.000 I sometimes wonder if anybody else is doing anything as much like media interest as there always is.

01:02:39.000 I mean, I'm about at the point where I'm just gonna say, like, you know, no comment.

01:02:43.000 Leave us alone.

01:02:44.000 Like, legit, is anybody else doing anything?

01:02:48.000 Because we seem to be the topic of conversation 24 7.

01:02:53.000 Thank you guys all for joining.

01:02:58.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - April 04, 2026

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 121 — Back To the Moon? Bryon Noem's Bimbo Fix? Mt. Everest = Lame?

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