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00:04:55.000Cliff, what's your take of Artemis 2 and us allegedly returning to the moon?
00:05:02.000Yeah, I mean, listen, this is the one conspiracy I feel like is allowed these days because we've had enough time in between.
00:05:09.000Now, I'm not quite there where I don't believe it, but I think with everything that's happened in the last 10, 15, 20 years, I would not be surprised if a couple of years from now we find out, hey, this baby was staged.
00:07:51.000Oh, if you guys want, oh man, we've got eight million.
00:07:55.000This is what happens in Russ's, yes, dance, there's just dance.
00:07:59.000There's just eight, you know, oh man, yeah, I'm sure every single person who is an expert on this at every single university, including in multiple countries, who'd have reasons to affirm otherwise, like they all agree on this thing.
00:08:09.000But no, I bet this, like, podcaster who does MMA is, like, really, really on point with this thing.
00:08:16.000He's definitely figured it out on the whole moon question.
00:08:25.000No, I've even seen tweets, like, people arguing that, like, a very real reason we're doing this mission may literally be to, like, Prove to Rogan that we can actually do it.
00:08:35.000So, I have a family member who will remain unidentified that is a flat earther, like a legit flat earther.
00:09:06.000Well, so that I've had this conversation.
00:09:08.000I was like, can you not see the curvature?
00:09:11.000Like, if you're, if you're, if you fly, for example, from Seattle to London, which I did one time many years ago, I remember because it goes up towards the Arctic and comes down.
00:09:21.000And you could see the curve of the Earth very clearly.
00:09:25.000And then you think about Artemis, like, how many things would they have had to engineer and just pre plan to fool people about the curvature of the Earth?
00:09:34.000Because that thing was up there within like five minutes.
00:09:38.000You could see every single commercial pilot is in on it because they plot out their courses apparently on the assumption the world is round, they'd have to do it quite differently if it wasn't.
00:09:47.000Well, so, like, one of their points that they make is that you don't go like a lot of people fly over the Arctic, but nobody flies over Antarctica.
00:09:57.000Are yeah, where would you be flying to?
00:09:59.000I don't know, like maybe you were going from Australia, New Zealand to South America, yeah, and also there's probably no like airports you can land on there if anything goes wrong, yeah, but you couldn't land at an airport.
00:11:14.000It says, however, a few long haul routes in the southern hemisphere fly close enough to skirt or briefly enter Antarctic airspace, especially depending on winds and exact routing.
00:11:25.000These typically offer distant views of the continent's edge or ice.
00:11:29.000But this plays into their conspiracy theory.
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00:14:00.000We have all these conspiracy theories about flat Earth, but we have a lot of cool stuff we could do with Antarctica.
00:14:04.000We could go with At the Mountains of Madness, is actually a true account from H.P. Lovecraft, and if you fly over it, you'll unleash the Cthulhu horrors that will overrun humanity.
00:14:14.000I think we did The Lord of the Rings on that.
00:14:15.000We could say The Thing was a documentary, and that if we were to send planes to the South Pole, they could crash and allow The Thing to escape and consume all of humanity with its assimilative powers.
00:14:27.000I have no idea what you're talking about.
00:16:46.000Okay, so accepting that the moon landing is real, is it, you know, we're all very excited for that kid, but is it sufficient that we are going back to the moon 60 years after we went for the first time?
00:16:56.000We have way better film production now.
00:18:52.000There is an amazing show that I love on Amazon.
00:18:55.000Prime or not Amazon Prime, Apple TV called For All Mankind, and it literally the whole point is like, what if the United States had won or lost the space race back in the 70s?
00:19:06.000And then you kind of go through them landing on the moon, them putting a permanent base on the moon, then the race for Mars.
00:19:16.000And there's a whole like the Cold War actually has a full on kinetic war on the moon.
00:20:05.000And then his Mars goal, which this is such a simple thing for W to say, was to use the moon, quote, use the moon as a stepping stone to get to Mars, which, you know, I get it.
00:20:29.000An Iowa State mathematics professor, Alexander Abian, spent much of his career advocating that we destroy the moon, which he said would eliminate seasons, the wobble of the earth, and it would delete all associated events like heat waves, snowstorms, and hurricanes.
00:21:05.000So, Mount Everest, the tallest mountain in the world, is in the news because Nepalese police have discovered a sinister Sherpa plot to poison Mount Everest climbers.
00:21:19.000Apparently, they were spiking their food with baking powder or other things, causing them to fall ill so that they would then request a helicopter evacuation off of Mount Everest.
00:25:06.000If you hike Mount Everest, yeah, but it's also, again, it's that combo where the Sherpas are doing all the hard work.
00:25:13.000So if you go out there and you just die and you're not doing the hard work to climb, you're just sort of hazarding high altitude and you might get altitude sickness and keel over.
00:27:33.000But I mean, I guess that makes some sense.
00:27:35.000But it's not like if you're a small enough shark to get through a cage in a shark tank, you're probably not like a man eater kind of shark.
00:27:41.000Andrew's the kind of guy he watches Jaws and the guy gets in the cage and he's like, I could do that.
00:28:53.000Honestly, the reason all the Kubrick conspiracy theories about the moon landing don't work is that knowing what we do about Stanley Kubrick, he would have made them redo the landing about 50 times before he'd be satisfied with the take.
00:29:05.000So that's probably the best argument against that particular weird conspiracy.
00:29:09.000Well, I actually, again, I believe the moon landing happened.
00:31:48.000And honestly, Lord of the Rings, if it's anything, Lord of the Rings is overtly pagan.
00:31:53.000I would like the record to reflect that when I was nodding and smiling, it was because I've Heard that take before, not because I agreed with Jack.
00:32:01.000I was going to say, Go get me that final frame.
00:33:04.000So, what's really weird about this is that, like, really stupid people who don't have brain cells thought that I was saying that I didn't like Lord of the Rings or, like, that Lord of the Rings was bad or that I. Like, the amount of hallucinations and drugs that people were taking, kind of like the earlier Lord of the Rings fans who were the hippies.
00:33:27.000It was just amazing to see all of these things that people responding to that I literally didn't say.
00:33:34.000We were talking about this because of the Stephen Colbert sequel to Lord of the Rings.
00:33:39.000And the whole point of it was me trying to explain why someone who's like an arch liberal would like Lord of the Rings, but then someone who's like an arch conservative like JD Vance would also like the same series.
00:33:52.000And it's amazing to me that, man, not only did I burst the bubble, I burst it so bad that they're still crying about it.
00:33:59.000And I've also realized that people don't know what the word overt means.
00:34:04.000Where, yes, overt means on the surface level, which is actually something that was said by, wait for it, J.R.R. Tolkien, the writer of the series, who said that he eliminated religion from the series and it is not found until you review it further.
00:35:24.000Okay, so let's just deal with the community note, Jack.
00:35:27.000It says, in letter 142 to Father Robert Murray, J.R.R. Tolkien describes Lord of the Rings as a fundamentally religious and Catholic work.
00:35:37.000So, in that letter, they clipped off the end of what he said.
00:35:41.000He said it's fundamental in the sense that it's at the lower level, but he also says that he eliminated religion from the series itself and that you don't encounter it until you go into the lower level, like until upon the revision.
00:35:58.000So he removed all of the overt elements of religion.
00:36:02.000So all of the Lord of the Rings fans got really, really mad and decided to take their own favorite author out of context.
00:36:39.000So it's kind of like a quasi, which is kind of what I think you were saying, actually.
00:36:47.000And a lot of people made the point, Jack, that since Middle Earth and the whole theme is, what, 10,000 years before our current moment or something like that, it was like some mythological antiquity that it couldn't have.
00:37:02.000Christ had not come yet at that point, so it had to be pre Christian, but it was imbued with Christian morality, pagan mythology imbued with Christian morality.
00:37:11.000Would you agree with that presentation from this pagan?
00:37:14.000I certainly would, because again, the pagan here is not understanding what I'm saying.
00:37:20.000I didn't say anything about the morality of the series, I was talking about the overt surface level elements of the story dwarves, elves, knights, dragons.
00:38:03.000Tolkien himself said that Gandalf is based on Odin.
00:38:08.000In the sense of wandering, not in the sense of like actually like Odin, but the core of it is that, you know, as with Christianity, it's absolute truth.
00:38:21.000Like Lord of the Rings is written with, at its core, absolute truth as in good versus evil.
00:38:30.000Whereas in paganism, there is no like absolute truth.
00:38:34.000There's just, there's relative morality, if that's the right word that I'm thinking of.
00:38:39.000Somebody, this one got some play here.
00:38:42.000It says, it's not like Norse mythology.
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00:40:08.000I feel like if something's pagan, it's got to have actual pagan gods in it.
00:40:11.000And there's only one god in Lord of the Rings, and it's explicitly like the Christian god.
00:40:48.000It has magical creatures, but it's, in your own words, it is a direct allegory of the Bible because it has Christ in it.
00:40:57.000Well, actually, in Narnia, Christ is a lion.
00:41:02.000I don't know that Christ is a lion in our world, but there's magical creatures in Narnia, unlike.
00:41:10.000And unlike that, you would have to take that up with J.R.
00:41:15.000Well, you would find yourself in disagreement with J.R.R. Tolkien then, because J.R.R. Tolkien said that Narnia is a direct allegory of the Bible.
00:42:36.000And what I was trying to get at, I guess, if anything, was that I think that for the current moment, we do need.
00:42:44.000Things that are more explicitly Christian because we live in such a fallen society right now that we need things that aren't just Christian morality, like below the surface.
00:42:56.000I'm talking about overt outward displays of Christianity and the Christian symbology.
00:43:15.000What should we use as a tool to evangelize?
00:43:19.000And as great as Lord of the Rings is, I just don't think it's great of a tool if you're explicitly trying to bring people to the cross.
00:43:27.000I mean, it might be good as like a really, really outward gateway drug, but it has spawned so many pagans and neo pagans and Wiccans and elvish otherkin.
00:43:38.000In fact, the word otherkin itself comes from Lord of the Rings fans who originally were like the hippies and the counterculture left.
00:43:47.000So, you know, it's kind of a work that can be taken multiple ways.
00:43:52.000And I've thought, as great as it is, you know, it's just not something that I would use for that function.
00:43:57.000I mean, Stephen Colbert is a Catholic.
00:43:59.000I mean, I'm not saying he's a good guy.
00:44:37.000I have to say, though, specifically when it comes to evangelizing, I don't know any of my friends that are not Christian who would.
00:44:52.000whose eyes don't glaze over the minute I start talking about anything that is fundamentally like.
00:44:58.000In your face, spoon fed, like here's the gospel message right off.
00:45:03.000Because growing up, my mom used to have these movies from Pure Flicks, and every single one is poorly made, but it's just the Bible thrown in your face.
00:45:17.000But something with Lord of the Rings is like you still have the opportunity to take something that is good material, it's a good book, it's a good movie, and you're able to walk through.
00:45:31.000The elements of the gospel and the elements of Christianity with something like Lord of the Rings that a non Christian can get behind because they're not being just pummeled over the head with the gospel.
00:45:44.000Like, we're supposed to be salt and light, we're supposed to be out there, we're supposed to be all of that.
00:46:23.000I'm not going to say it doesn't lead to conversions.
00:46:27.000I mean, JD Vance, of course, is a great example of that.
00:46:30.000You know, to steal, man, your argument that, you know, here's, and of course, JD's got a book coming out as well about his conversion and his like return to the faith.
00:46:39.000And And we know that he has talked about Lord of the Rings in this context before.
00:46:46.000And so I'm not going to discount anything of that.
00:46:49.000And I'll point out that obviously that's a great example.
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00:46:57.000You will not run across a lot of them.
00:46:59.000So I wouldn't want to say that the unicorn is always the best way.
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00:53:13.000So, this is what Ryan James Gurdesky was reporting.
00:53:16.000He said, I mentioned on my podcast months ago that one of Trump's cabinet members was telling reporters off the record that her husband was gay.
00:53:23.000I didn't name Nate Gnome by name out of respect for privacy, but to say she had no idea really flies in the face of what she was saying.
00:55:18.000And it's just, to me, it's almost hilarious that some of this stuff comes out because any normal person looks at this and is like, what the hell is going on in the political world in America?
00:55:29.000Well, just to offer context, because we're going to have Libs bully Brian Know about this.
00:55:33.000And yet we had to pretend for years on end that, what's her name in the Biden administration?
00:55:40.000Rachel Levine, that Rachel Levine was like a totally normal person and totally a real woman.
00:55:46.000Well, and then on top of that, Sam Brinton, totally normal dude.
00:55:50.000While he's, I mean, at least what we'll say, Brian Gnome, nobody, at least he, so far, no one so far has accused him of stealing anyone's luggage.
00:55:59.000I don't really want to take any Polymarket bets on what he might have been doing with his wife's clothes.
00:56:05.000And if Cliff hates those photos, he's going to hate the ones coming up next.
00:57:23.000Is it looks like one of those, uh, pagan, those like, uh, adult, uh, you know, female books that's like, you know, it's like porn for women, you know?
00:58:29.000So what you do, especially with X's algorithm right now.
00:58:32.000You take that, the actual photo, you throw it into AI, make a bunch of AI photos of it, and then just get a bunch of people to circulate it around X.
00:58:41.000And then all of a sudden, you don't know what's what and what's.
01:01:41.000Really excited about the partnership between my group, Citizens Alliance, and Turning Point.
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01:02:01.000We'll have a lot more details over the next couple months as we roll things out.
01:02:05.000Yeah, that was a big, big development.