The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 127 — Obama, The Musical? Romance Novels? Instagram Moms?

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00:01:17.000 And his name is Obama.

00:01:20.000 Barack Obama. 1.00

00:01:23.000 He'll chomp the pants off your mama. 1.00

00:01:26.000 He's motherfking Obama. 0.99

00:01:31.000 But first time. 0.79

00:01:32.000 44 was great.

00:01:32.000 It's to be.

00:01:33.000 It's exhilarating.

00:01:34.000 It's interactive.

00:01:35.000 Every actor was great.

00:01:37.000 It's worth seeing.

00:01:38.000 Go to another state.

00:01:38.000 Don't miss it.

00:01:39.000 Go to another state.

00:01:40.000 The country, but make sure you see 44!

00:01:44.000 I just felt like I was in a whole other world for two hours, so, brace, great music. 0.99

00:01:48.000 I'm motherfucking Obama! 0.96

00:01:53.000 It really made me nostalgic for a time when, I don't know, politics meant something beautiful, and I really miss you, Obama, but come see the show and you'll recapture that spirit. 0.99

00:02:19.000 Well, on that note, it's Thought Crime Thursday.

00:02:23.000 Gosh, it's just so catchy when I hear the Obama musical music.

00:02:29.000 Who set this up?

00:02:30.000 Who else is on the show here today?

00:02:32.000 What's going on?

00:02:33.000 Full house, Jack.

00:02:33.000 We've got five people.

00:02:35.000 We can put on an Obama musical ourselves. 0.52

00:02:35.000 Full house. 0.52

00:02:37.000 I love how Cliff is just front and center.

00:02:39.000 Look at him.

00:02:40.000 Look at him just hanging out.

00:02:42.000 You are the keystone.

00:02:43.000 It's not a jacket, is it?

00:02:44.000 This is actually Lynn Manuel Miranda.

00:02:46.000 No, it's not a jacket.

00:02:47.000 This is a Citizens Alliance.

00:02:48.000 Just for the record, I did not wear a jacket, a formal jacket.

00:02:50.000 Is that a pullover?

00:02:51.000 Citizens Alliance Pullover.

00:02:52.000 It's not a jacket.

00:02:53.000 It doesn't open all the way.

00:02:54.000 It's just like a quarter zip.

00:02:55.000 Blake is a quarter zip.

00:02:57.000 And all the donors will be very happy to know it looks very cheap.

00:02:59.000 I guess you have a quarter zip, huh?

00:03:01.000 Very cheap.

00:03:02.000 It looks very thin.

00:03:03.000 It does not look like it's protecting him at all.

00:03:05.000 It's not a jacket.

00:03:06.000 Donor money.

00:03:07.000 We need to get some advice from Turning Point on where you guys get your merch.

00:03:13.000 All that matters is it's American. 0.90

00:03:14.000 It's all China. 0.94

00:03:15.000 It's all China.

00:03:16.000 Tyler only does his shopping in China.

00:03:18.000 But we should explain that.

00:03:19.000 So that intro was 44, the musical.

00:03:23.000 It's actually existed for.

00:03:25.000 A little while, but it's on, it's being performed in DC for another 10 days, I believe.

00:03:30.000 So if you live in that area, you could go see it.

00:03:33.000 And it's sort of strange to say this.

00:03:35.000 I wish I was in DC.

00:03:36.000 I would totally go see this.

00:03:38.000 You would not see it.

00:03:39.000 You wouldn't see the Obama musical.

00:03:42.000 I would have PTSD from it.

00:03:44.000 But that's what the thing about it is. 0.98

00:03:46.000 It's got to be ridiculous. 0.93

00:03:48.000 Yeah, they call it bipartisan fun. 0.97

00:03:52.000 No, there's nothing bipartisan fun about this.

00:03:54.000 It is apparently, the theme is apparently the Obama administration.

00:03:59.000 As remembered by Joe Biden.

00:04:01.000 So it kind of leans in on Biden having foggy memory.

00:04:05.000 And so he.

00:04:06.000 Oh, that is actually kind of fun.

00:04:08.000 But then you heard those testimonials, like we forgot how good we had it and we missed the spirit of 44.

00:04:16.000 Back in the good old days.

00:04:17.000 Good old days.

00:04:18.000 The guy who literally wokeified the country single handedly.

00:04:23.000 I don't know.

00:04:23.000 Jack, you're in DC area.

00:04:25.000 Are you going to see it?

00:04:27.000 No, I'm not going to see it, but I am going to point out that once again, The left shows that they champion their heroes.

00:04:36.000 The left goes and makes musicals.

00:04:38.000 They go and make, you know, I mean, this is obviously cringe, but, you know, they're willing to go and actually put on musicals, put on shows.

00:04:46.000 They just did one about Luigi, which I believe started in San Francisco.

00:04:49.000 It's coming to Broadway.

00:04:50.000 So they go in and they use media in a cultural way that actually promotes their values to future generations.

00:05:00.000 And so this is something that the right, we just don't do.

00:05:03.000 We don't use the power of story.

00:05:05.000 We don't use.

00:05:06.000 The power of culture, with the exception, obviously, of the Turning Point halftime show, the All American halftime show.

00:05:13.000 It's like the one time the right actually tried to do this.

00:05:16.000 Well, but see, we have a disagreement on this, Jack.

00:05:19.000 And I think Russ has my back here.

00:05:21.000 You got neocon thrillers up the yin yang.

00:05:23.000 You got, was it Jack Ryan?

00:05:26.000 You've got, I mean, you could make an argument. 0.88

00:05:29.000 Neocons are actually liberals. 0.98

00:05:31.000 Tom Cruise, you know. 0.97

00:05:33.000 Mission Impossible?

00:05:35.000 Maybe Mission Impossible.

00:05:36.000 I'm thinking more like Top Gun.

00:05:38.000 That felt very patriotic, that felt cultural.

00:05:41.000 I suppose. 0.80

00:05:41.000 Top Gun 2 is definitely Neocon. 0.80

00:05:44.000 Yeah, it's all Neocon, though.

00:05:45.000 It's all like America, you know.

00:05:49.000 I don't know that. 1.00

00:05:50.000 I would say it's like, Neocons do this, of course. 0.96

00:05:53.000 They're doing an airstrike on somewhere.

00:05:55.000 That's so vague.

00:05:56.000 We do airstrikes in a lot of places.

00:05:58.000 Yeah, it was Russia. 1.00

00:05:59.000 It's definitely Iran. 0.98

00:06:00.000 In Top Gun 2, it's 100% Iran. 0.99

00:06:03.000 Yeah, okay, okay.

00:06:05.000 I've misremembered.

00:06:07.000 I don't know.

00:06:07.000 No, Blake is right.

00:06:08.000 They don't say it, but like, if you just watch the film and you kind of like, Put the pieces together, like they're clearly talking about Iran.

00:06:14.000 We have some B roll of this from this Obama musical, number three.

00:06:19.000 Can you just throw up some of the stills?

00:06:21.000 Yeah, here we go. 1.00

00:06:22.000 Oh, gosh, there's Hillary Rodham.

00:06:26.000 Basically, you know, Jack, to your point, though, you often make the observation that the left is basically run by a bunch of former theater kids.

00:06:36.000 So this feels very apt.

00:06:37.000 Well, in this case, it's not former.

00:06:40.000 Yeah, look at that.

00:06:42.000 Was that the monkeypox guy?

00:06:43.000 It's funny you should bring up theater, actually, every time. 0.60

00:06:47.000 I don't know.

00:06:48.000 I don't even know what to think of this.

00:06:50.000 I just discovered that Cliff Maloney is actually a full time theater professional.

00:06:56.000 Oh, are we doing this?

00:06:57.000 Are we out in Cliff?

00:06:58.000 Hold on.

00:06:59.000 This is new to me.

00:07:01.000 I have a degree in theater arts.

00:07:03.000 Do you do amateur theater on the side or pro theater on the side?

00:07:06.000 I haven't done a show since 2021.

00:07:09.000 Listen, there's a lot of contestants involved with libertarian theater.

00:07:13.000 I was a teen angel in Greece in 2021.

00:07:16.000 I played Gaston in Beating the Beast.

00:07:19.000 Glenn Guglia in The Wedding Singer.

00:07:22.000 He is the rude.

00:07:24.000 Do you still have the Gaston song memorized?

00:07:26.000 Julia Guglia.

00:07:27.000 Yes, thank you.

00:07:28.000 I knew somebody would get it.

00:07:29.000 Exactly.

00:07:30.000 Julia Guglia's fiance.

00:07:31.000 You and James O'Keefe holding it down for the theater kids on the right.

00:07:34.000 Hold on.

00:07:35.000 Give us like a Gaston.

00:07:36.000 No one's something that's like Gaston.

00:07:39.000 Who else in conservative circles does theater?

00:07:47.000 I don't know.

00:07:49.000 It's James and you.

00:07:50.000 Rob Schneider.

00:07:51.000 Rob Schneider.

00:07:54.000 I mean, we have a lot of fun.

00:07:55.000 What's your dream role?

00:07:58.000 I played Billy Flynn in Chicago, and that was like, it was just a really cool role.

00:08:03.000 It's like the leading male, but the male is not the lead.

00:08:06.000 It's the two women, obviously.

00:08:07.000 Well, he's the lawyer, right?

00:08:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:08:10.000 But it was just, you know, every song it's like, I mean, it's like that song.

00:08:14.000 Yeah, you're kind of doing your own thing.

00:08:15.000 Are you doing musicals?

00:08:17.000 Yeah.

00:08:18.000 There's some good low quality videos online you can find.

00:08:21.000 Really?

00:08:21.000 Oh, yeah.

00:08:21.000 Guys, find his videos.

00:08:23.000 I'll just get those hunted down.

00:08:25.000 What role would you want? 0.93

00:08:25.000 I'll throw something out to get your back here, to hold your back here. 0.93

00:08:30.000 Well, and obviously, Rick Rennell was running the Kennedy Center for the first year, but also someone who's a huge fan of Broadway, that on the right is not someone who's in Broadway, but someone who is a huge fan.

00:08:42.000 Probably his favorite music genre is President Donald J. Trump.

00:08:47.000 And a lot of people don't know this, but if you spend time around him, he's listening to the opera soundtrack on.

00:08:56.000 We were hearing that so much at one point that I actually had to sit Tanya Tay down and show her the movie because she wasn't familiar with it.

00:09:03.000 And, you know, I think it closed on Broadway after, funny enough, actually something that is going to come up in a later topic because they did a sort of woke DEI casting of Christine, even though it's supposed to be a, you know, set in what, 18th century France or something.

00:09:24.000 And, you know, at this opera house.

00:09:27.000 And President Trump loves Broadway.

00:09:29.000 He's just a huge Broadway fan.

00:09:30.000 He obviously was going to the Kennedy Center a ton when it was still in full operation.

00:09:35.000 Last I heard, it looks like July 4th is going to be the final hurrah after they close it down for projected two years of maintenance.

00:09:47.000 But it's something that President Trump really actually just enjoys.

00:09:49.000 He's a New Yorker.

00:09:50.000 He's always loved Broadway.

00:09:51.000 He was at the Broadway opening of Phantom with Andrew Lloyd Webber.

00:09:54.000 It's something that he talked about, has talked about a number of times.

00:09:58.000 And it's just something that's funny that, like, I I think a lot of people don't know about the president.

00:10:01.000 Okay, quick on the spot.

00:10:03.000 Favorite musical?

00:10:06.000 Come back to me.

00:10:08.000 Hadestown.

00:10:09.000 Hadestown?

00:10:10.000 I've never heard of that one.

00:10:11.000 Tyler?

00:10:11.000 Is that actually good?

00:10:12.000 I keep seeing stuff for that.

00:10:13.000 That.

00:10:14.000 Yeah.

00:10:15.000 I mean, there's one problem in it.

00:10:16.000 There's an archetype that is pretty much Trump, and they sing a whole song about knocking down the wall.

00:10:22.000 But aside from that, you look past it, the music's fantastic.

00:10:25.000 All right.

00:10:25.000 Okay.

00:10:26.000 Todd?

00:10:27.000 I don't know.

00:10:28.000 I have a special place in my heart for Les Mis.

00:10:30.000 I was going to say Les Mis.

00:10:31.000 I actually was also going to say Les Mis.

00:10:33.000 I really like that one.

00:10:34.000 I really hate everything French, but for some reason, it doesn't feel French.

00:10:40.000 It's one of the most French things ever created.

00:10:42.000 It literally was originally in French.

00:10:44.000 It's like the most French thing ever.

00:10:46.000 It was written in French.

00:10:48.000 I understand all of that.

00:10:49.000 I'm just saying, when I watch it in English, it doesn't make me feel like the liberty elements of Les Mis, I appreciate.

00:11:01.000 Yeah.

00:11:02.000 And also the analogies with Christ and everything else.

00:11:06.000 I think that's a truly Christian musical.

00:11:08.000 Jack, what's your favorite?

00:11:10.000 No, I was just going to say, I love Les Mis.

00:11:13.000 You know, most of my life I would have said Phantom.

00:11:18.000 You know, I might give a slight edge to Les Mis now, but, you know, traditionally I would say Phantom.

00:11:24.000 Let me stir the pot a little bit.

00:11:25.000 I think the funniest show is Book of Mormon.

00:11:27.000 Book of Mormon is very fun.

00:11:28.000 Book of Mormon is hilarious.

00:11:30.000 They messed it up.

00:11:31.000 How?

00:11:31.000 In 2020, they changed the Book of Mormon because of George Floyd and the woke moment.

00:11:37.000 So they edited the jokes.

00:11:38.000 Like, if you see the show, there's a joke where, like, oh, did you get my text?

00:11:42.000 And they're literally writing it on a typewriter. 0.97

00:11:45.000 Like, ha ha, that's what a text would be for them because they're in Uganda and they're poor. 0.97

00:11:49.000 And they changed it to, they just actually have. 0.96

00:11:51.000 Smartphones and they send it, and the joke is like, Oh, you dumb American think we don't have smartphones in Uganda? 1.00

00:11:57.000 Yeah, it's very stupid. 0.99

00:11:58.000 They did a few changes like that. 1.00

00:12:01.000 Yeah, they messed it up badly.

00:12:03.000 I always thought it was really funny.

00:12:04.000 I think we've talked about it on here before, and just Cliff, just so you know, Blake has pretty much every word of the Book of Mormon memorized verbatim off the top of his head.

00:12:12.000 I did.

00:12:12.000 And Tyler, I always have to say, I've always appreciated the way that the LDS Church responded to the Book of Mormon was to use it as a promotional vehicle and be like, They'd be like, hey, you like the musical, you'll love the book.

00:12:24.000 And they would just sprint like.

00:12:26.000 They also screwed that up too, though.

00:12:28.000 At first, they embraced it the right way, which is that way, which is the same way that Charlie embraced.

00:12:32.000 Yeah, yeah, that's what I remember.

00:12:34.000 And then since then, though, now it's become like they don't embrace it.

00:12:38.000 Now they reject it.

00:12:39.000 I embrace it.

00:12:40.000 This doesn't count, but.

00:12:41.000 I embrace it.

00:12:42.000 I actually think it's great.

00:12:43.000 I think it's fine.

00:12:44.000 I don't think it's that offensive.

00:12:46.000 And I actually really like the producers of the content.

00:12:51.000 And, anyways, I just.

00:12:53.000 Do you think that that opinion is widely held within the Mormon community?

00:12:58.000 Are you the exception, not the rule?

00:13:01.000 I actually don't think most Mormons are bothered by it at all. 1.00

00:13:04.000 I don't think they like even.

00:13:05.000 My favorite, I just remember, it's not a musical though, but it was The Count of Monte Cristo.

00:13:11.000 Count of Monte Cristo is good.

00:13:12.000 Yeah.

00:13:13.000 Count of Monte Cristo.

00:13:14.000 The play version of it?

00:13:15.000 Yes.

00:13:15.000 Okay.

00:13:16.000 They've done it as the play, but I fell in love with the one with Jim Cavisa.

00:13:20.000 For kids, I'm a big fan.

00:13:22.000 I've seen a few times with my kids, Matilda.

00:13:26.000 Matilda.

00:13:26.000 Oh, is that good?

00:13:28.000 My kids are actually super into Matilda right now.

00:13:30.000 It's great.

00:13:32.000 The Broadway version of Matilda is, I think, one of the best things you can take your kids to.

00:13:36.000 I love that book.

00:13:37.000 I must have read that book like a hundred times when I was a kid.

00:13:39.000 And they did a new version of it on Netflix a few years ago that was based around the musical, like the actual Broadway.

00:13:48.000 It's sort of related.

00:13:49.000 I saw one of the comments that they're still waiting for my review of Animal Farm.

00:13:52.000 I have not seen it.

00:13:53.000 Did you do this last week?

00:13:54.000 Yeah, I did.

00:13:55.000 It was really terrible.

00:13:56.000 It was catastrophically bad, unfortunately.

00:13:59.000 Okay.

00:14:00.000 I don't blame, obviously, I don't blame Angel Studios for that.

00:14:02.000 I blame Gollum for that.

00:14:03.000 Well, Angel Studios just did the distribution.

00:14:05.000 They didn't have to do it.

00:14:06.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:14:07.000 But the guild had to approve it.

00:14:09.000 So I don't know if it is.

00:14:11.000 Hey, even the Angel Guild will get it wrong from time to time.

00:14:14.000 We're not bitter about it, but it was devastating.

00:14:17.000 Yeah, I think someone was saying that they approved it because they wanted to do an Animal Farm movie, and they're like, oh, yeah, Animal Farm would be great.

00:14:24.000 But then they didn't realize that it was the liberal Animal Farm thing.

00:14:28.000 I blame Seth Rogen.

00:14:30.000 Can we talk about Helen and Troy?

00:14:32.000 Can we talk about that?

00:14:33.000 I know we're not.

00:14:33.000 I mean, I know that's off topic.

00:14:34.000 We're probably on topic.

00:14:35.000 We probably could.

00:14:36.000 I mean, it involves.

00:14:37.000 I mean, what else can we add that hasn't already been said?

00:14:42.000 The picture's worth a thousand words.

00:14:44.000 I saw this AI with, wait, what's the trans actor?

00:14:50.000 Ellen Page. 0.70

00:14:53.000 I saw somebody, you know that famous scene where Brad Pitt is like running after and he dodges the spear and then he dodges the next spear and then he like stabs him?

00:15:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:15:02.000 Well, they did some AI version with Ellen Page and it's just like starts running kind of like weakly and is running down.

00:15:09.000 And then just gets stabbed.

00:15:10.000 And then just the first spear just takes her out. 0.76

00:15:15.000 Actually, I think I could probably find it.

00:15:16.000 The funny thing is, it's not, even though the rumor is that Ellen Elliott Page is going to be Achilles, that's not confirmed.

00:15:24.000 That's just a rumor.

00:15:25.000 Unlike Helen of Troy being black, it is unfortunately confirmed.

00:15:28.000 But there actually is a trans character in the Odyssey.

00:15:31.000 Did you know that?

00:15:32.000 No.

00:15:32.000 So the sage Tiresias is a fortune teller, and Apollo gets mad at him and punishes him by turning him into a woman.

00:15:42.000 And so it would make sense to actually show that character as androgynous in some way.

00:15:47.000 There's notably Odysseus runs into Tiresias, I believe, in the underworld and asks him a rather like PG 13 question.

00:15:57.000 He basically asks, never mind, I can't say it.

00:15:58.000 Look it up.

00:15:59.000 Go read the Odyssey, folks.

00:16:00.000 You have to go read the Odyssey.

00:16:01.000 I found it.

00:16:03.000 There it is.

00:16:05.000 Russ says he's pulling it, but it's worth sharing.

00:16:09.000 But do you guys subscribe to the idea that.

00:16:13.000 Wait, while we're on the topic, Nolan's doing this for an Oscar?

00:16:18.000 I don't think so.

00:16:18.000 You don't think so?

00:16:20.000 I think he is.

00:16:21.000 I think he is, but also, just in general, I think that Christopher Nolan is vastly overrated.

00:16:29.000 I've just thought that for a long time.

00:16:30.000 I mean, since what did he do that was good?

00:16:32.000 He did Batman.

00:16:33.000 The Dark Knight was good.

00:16:34.000 The Dark Knight was legit.

00:16:35.000 Which came out almost 20 years ago.

00:16:37.000 No, Batman Begins was good.

00:16:39.000 The Dark Knight was perfectly good.

00:16:40.000 The Dark Knight was a perfectly good movie.

00:16:42.000 The Dark Knight Rises is.

00:16:44.000 I was so upset by The Dark Knight that I actually uploaded the entire movie into Final Cut Pro and made my own edit of it.

00:16:51.000 I called mine the darker night.

00:16:54.000 Sounds overtly funny.

00:16:54.000 Sounds like you want to recast it.

00:16:57.000 All right, here we go.

00:16:58.000 Interstellar.

00:17:00.000 We're going to do the Ellen Page video.

00:17:03.000 Let's let him show it.

00:17:04.000 No, Interstellar is great.

00:17:05.000 Okay, play the Ellen Page video.

00:17:07.000 Love will win.

00:17:10.000 Oh, does it not have sound effects?

00:17:12.000 Okay.

00:17:13.000 Is this AI?

00:17:15.000 This is all AI, yes.

00:17:16.000 But, like, I mean, I think they're borrowing heavily from the actual film here.

00:17:21.000 It's just Ellen Page.

00:17:24.000 It's somewhat mangled as an AI, and yeah, you can see the.

00:17:30.000 That's all.

00:17:30.000 That's it.

00:17:31.000 Directed by Michael Bay.

00:17:32.000 Oh, yeah, because the original version had some great music playing.

00:17:35.000 Anyways, so there it is.

00:17:38.000 Oh, and then we have.

00:17:39.000 Okay, apparently, do we have it?

00:17:43.000 Do we have that one clip, Russ, of Chicago, the musical?

00:17:48.000 Wait, hang on one second while we're on this.

00:17:51.000 Memento is good, Jack.

00:17:54.000 Memento is good.

00:17:55.000 The Prestige.

00:17:57.000 Inception.

00:17:58.000 Inception's a great movie.

00:18:00.000 Inception is only good on the first watch.

00:18:02.000 It doesn't actually hold up after the first watch.

00:18:05.000 Once every 10 years, it resets.

00:18:06.000 I mean, most movies I'm only going to see once.

00:18:10.000 Most movies you're only going to see once anyway.

00:18:12.000 You forget.

00:18:13.000 I forgot everything in it, and then I watched it again just like not that long ago.

00:18:16.000 Well, yeah.

00:18:17.000 If you're someone who has a memory, then no, it doesn't work. 0.80

00:18:20.000 We got a Dylan Ivy here.

00:18:23.000 Dylan's a regular.

00:18:24.000 He's here every week.

00:18:25.000 Dylan said I'm a Dunkirk.

00:18:27.000 What's that?

00:18:27.000 I hated Dunkirk.

00:18:28.000 I didn't like Dunkirk.

00:18:29.000 Dunkirk was perfectly good.

00:18:30.000 What are you talking about?

00:18:32.000 Okay.

00:18:33.000 So, Jack, you've now argued against yourself.

00:18:36.000 You now have argued against yourself.

00:18:38.000 You think that most of Christian Randolph's stuff is good.

00:18:41.000 I said he's overrated.

00:18:43.000 I think he's which one was which movie was overrated?

00:18:48.000 Yeah, the Interstellar and the Dark Knight like everything that like literally all of America loves both those movies.

00:18:55.000 Well, sometimes people are wrong, sometimes, yeah, but usually the people Walmart sells a lot of clothes.

00:19:00.000 So, uh, Dylan Ivey says, I don't know about going to the musical, but I still think y'all should still send Blake to the Met Gala next year as an action news reporter.

00:19:10.000 It would be a lot of who are you wearing?

00:19:13.000 Who am I wearing?

00:19:14.000 That's what you ask.

00:19:14.000 I mean, I guess I might have to wear.

00:19:17.000 Gosh.

00:19:18.000 No, that's the question you ask.

00:19:22.000 He's not looking for an answer.

00:19:23.000 He's saying that's what you're going to say.

00:19:24.000 You have to ask, like, who are you wearing?

00:19:26.000 Oh.

00:19:27.000 That's what you said.

00:19:27.000 What does that even mean?

00:19:28.000 What brand are you wearing?

00:19:29.000 It's all by some designer.

00:19:31.000 Oh, gosh.

00:19:32.000 That sounds ghastly.

00:19:34.000 I'm like a pop culture.

00:19:35.000 We should 3D print.

00:19:36.000 Andrew knows about this.

00:19:37.000 That's why he's always accidentally wearing a jacket on this show.

00:19:41.000 Yeah.

00:19:42.000 Blake with, like, a top line, like.

00:19:47.000 $20,000 like tux with no shirt underneath would be really hilarious.

00:19:51.000 Dude, if you're doing the 100 pushes challenge, you should be looking good.

00:19:54.000 And like eye glitter. 0.97

00:19:56.000 No suck.

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00:21:00.000 Guess what, Jack?

00:21:01.000 So I challenged Jack to a 100 push up challenge.

00:21:03.000 I can't do 100 in one setting.

00:21:06.000 You have to take a break, and then I can do 100.

00:21:08.000 But Jack, I usually do it with a break.

00:21:11.000 I can do it with a break.

00:21:12.000 No, I can do it with a break.

00:21:13.000 I'll work on it.

00:21:14.000 No, I can do it with a break.

00:21:15.000 I'm talking one set all the way through, and Blake already got started.

00:21:18.000 Let's do it.

00:21:19.000 I'm in.

00:21:20.000 Blake already got started.

00:21:21.000 Yeah, I did.

00:21:22.000 He's got an app for it.

00:21:23.000 There's an app.

00:21:24.000 There's a 100 push up app.

00:21:24.000 It takes about six weeks, they say.

00:21:26.000 Blake is starting at week four.

00:21:28.000 He's just cool.

00:21:29.000 So, how do you work your way up to it?

00:21:31.000 I'll just whip it out here.

00:21:32.000 So, it's called, let's get it here.

00:21:34.000 It's called Pushy.

00:21:36.000 And it'll have you start, it starts off doing only a handful of sets a day.

00:21:41.000 But what you'll do is you'll do five or six sets in pretty quick succession.

00:21:45.000 So, I started on week four, day one, and it went 22, 26, 21, 18, 19, 31.

00:21:54.000 And you're supposed to wait.

00:21:56.000 No more than five minutes between sets when you do them.

00:21:59.000 Okay.

00:22:00.000 I got up to 80 and I gave up.

00:22:03.000 So I don't know what Jack.

00:22:04.000 Yeah, what's with the random numbers?

00:22:05.000 I don't get the random numbers.

00:22:07.000 I don't know.

00:22:07.000 It's probably science came up with it.

00:22:09.000 It's science, Jack.

00:22:10.000 Yeah.

00:22:11.000 Big science hair.

00:22:13.000 Okay, without further ado, we do have Cliff's Broadway performance here.

00:22:19.000 Oh.

00:22:20.000 It's off Broadway, probably, right?

00:22:21.000 Off, off, off.

00:22:22.000 No, no, it's on Broadway.

00:22:24.000 Off, off, off Broadway.

00:22:26.000 I had to invent it just for him. 0.98

00:22:28.000 Slowders24, play it.

00:22:28.000 All right.

00:22:31.000 Mr. Billy Flynn sings a press conference rag.

00:22:34.000 Notice how his mouth never moves.

00:22:36.000 Almost.

00:22:38.000 Where'd you come from, Mr.?

00:22:40.000 Mississippi and your parents are very wealthy.

00:22:46.000 Where are they now?

00:22:47.000 Six feet under, but she was granted one more start.

00:22:51.000 The convent of the Sacred Heart.

00:22:52.000 When did you get here?

00:22:54.000 1920.

00:22:55.000 How old were you?

00:22:58.000 Don't remember.

00:23:00.000 Then what happened?

00:23:02.000 I'm Amos and he stole my heart away.

00:23:05.000 You gotta go to the ending.

00:23:06.000 The ending's the only good part.

00:23:07.000 You gotta play the last part.

00:23:09.000 Find the ending.

00:23:10.000 We'll get it.

00:23:11.000 I think next week.

00:23:12.000 We should get that suit for you.

00:23:12.000 That's great.

00:23:13.000 You should wear that.

00:23:14.000 Listen, if I had that burgundy suit, it is like the box suit.

00:23:17.000 And at the end, I'm standing up and you can see it.

00:23:19.000 It is like a pure box.

00:23:21.000 I might contemplate making an exception to the no jacket rule if you wear that suit on the set.

00:23:26.000 And it's not wearing a suit, it's not wearing a jacket, it's wearing a costume.

00:23:29.000 Cliff, you're actually good.

00:23:31.000 I'm an actor who sings, not a singer who acts.

00:23:34.000 So I would push through it.

00:23:36.000 The ending's good, though.

00:23:37.000 If you watch the ending, then I could say, yeah, all right, I'm going to do it.

00:23:39.000 Think about how many votes you could drive out in the midterms in the Republican primary.

00:23:43.000 Zero in Republican primaries.

00:23:47.000 I want to get back a little bit.

00:23:48.000 Oh, I bet.

00:23:50.000 I bet New Hampshire there's a few.

00:23:51.000 Oh, yeah.

00:23:52.000 New Hampshire's prime ground for this. 1.00

00:23:54.000 They're cultured up there.

00:23:56.000 The widest parts.

00:24:00.000 That actually gets at something which I think.

00:24:01.000 I want to actually talk a little bit more about the Obama musical because it's so fitting that Obama is getting a musical in the sense that the Obama ear.

00:24:10.000 First of all, musicals are totally like a fancy white liberal thing, a white people thing.

00:24:15.000 And Obama was kind of.

00:24:17.000 He was the last gasp of this sort of. 0.81

00:24:21.000 White lib dominated America. 0.84

00:24:24.000 Like, it's this is the group that gave us Hamilton. 1.00

00:24:27.000 Ironic because he's black. 1.00

00:24:28.000 Yeah, of course.

00:24:30.000 But it's this is totally the sort of thing that they would get into the whole, you know, again, they pushed Hamilton everywhere that was dominating DC in the mid 2010s.

00:24:38.000 And you just read the descriptions of these.

00:24:40.000 Apparently, the guy who plays Obama comes on stage and says, I'm mother effing Obama. 0.54

00:24:47.000 It's definitely a way a millennial would do it. 0.91

00:24:49.000 I love these descriptions here. 1.00

00:24:51.000 Hillary Clinton is the bitter, scorned woman with a feminist rant titled My Turn. 1.00

00:24:57.000 It's then followed by a performance by a bikini clad Sarah Palin titled PG 13 Warning Drill Me, Baby. 0.98

00:25:06.000 She is joined by fellow villains Mitch McConnell, Ted Cruz, and various blonde hobots from Faux News. 0.77

00:25:13.000 The Republicans convene a meeting of Wham, the white hetero affluent men group, where they appoint Herman Kane as a token black member. 0.82

00:25:21.000 Lindsey Graham prances about with a tiny parasol and makes somewhat uncouth comments.

00:25:30.000 And they exclude Trump entirely from the story.

00:25:32.000 Wow.

00:25:34.000 They just wanted a breather from Trump.

00:25:36.000 All right, Cliff, we have it.

00:25:38.000 25.

00:25:38.000 A lot of pressure.

00:25:39.000 A lot of pressure.

00:25:42.000 Both reach for the high.

00:25:59.000 I have much lower expectations.

00:26:01.000 That's pretty good.

00:26:01.000 Thanks.

00:26:02.000 You got to play the ending. 0.96

00:26:05.000 All they need is a hat dance.

00:26:07.000 That's great.

00:26:09.000 That's great.

00:26:10.000 We got to get the suit.

00:26:12.000 That's really good.

00:26:13.000 You hit that note.

00:26:14.000 Yeah.

00:26:15.000 Listen, I'm all for bringing back masculinity to the arts. 1.00

00:26:20.000 The arts are awful because it's run by a bunch of femme Nazis and gay people. 1.00

00:26:24.000 If you could actually insert some freaking masculinity in there, and then you got Christopher Nolan, who should be kind of a masculine director, and he's botching everything. 1.00

00:26:33.000 Speaking of the arts, I know that Blake on the next topic wanted to do some review of deleting, I guess, fiction, but a certain type of fiction.

00:26:44.000 Isn't that right, Blake?

00:26:45.000 Oh, 100% true.

00:26:46.000 100% true.

00:26:47.000 Do we want to jump into that?

00:26:48.000 Yeah, let's hit it.

00:26:49.000 All right.

00:26:49.000 So it's all related.

00:26:50.000 Oh, 100%, especially the way we've moved this.

00:26:53.000 Here, let me go grab the original tweet.

00:26:55.000 So this was all prompted by a rather amusing observation someone made on UnX.

00:27:04.000 They were going through Amazon.

00:27:05.000 Amazon has.

00:27:07.000 Some amazingly good detailed tracking of who is buying their products.

00:27:11.000 And Amazon sells a lot of books.

00:27:12.000 They sell a lot of the only books people buy anymore are romance novels, and they have them subdivided into a bunch of categories, including interracial romance.

00:27:20.000 Big genre.

00:27:21.000 That's a category.

00:27:21.000 That's a category, interracial romance.

00:27:23.000 And someone gave me the top 100 best selling interracial romance novels of the past year.

00:27:30.000 And 38 of them are white guy, black woman.

00:27:35.000 20 of them. 0.70

00:27:37.000 Are white guys Asian women 19 of them?

00:27:41.000 Are white guys with a white woman, but misclassified because they classify an Italian or a Russian as not white? 0.55

00:27:48.000 Then they have nine of them are white guys Latina women, four are white guys Indian women, six out of a hundred, they're both not white.

00:27:59.000 One was gay, one was a I believe, I think it looks like Asian man, black woman, and one was Asian man, white female.

00:28:09.000 So, hold on. 0.68

00:28:10.000 So, white male.

00:28:11.000 So, what's the audience?

00:28:14.000 I think we need to know what the audience is for this because this is, I think, the salient point here.

00:28:20.000 I think, well, we don't think we have that data specifically, but I think we know.

00:28:24.000 Like, the white male is.

00:28:26.000 It was in the tweet thread.

00:28:28.000 58.

00:28:30.000 We're at basically 65.

00:28:33.000 How many are black male?

00:28:35.000 We're at like 70.

00:28:36.000 70.

00:28:37.000 No, we are well over 70.

00:28:38.000 We are.

00:28:39.000 It was 38, 20, 19, 9, literally over 90% of them are a white guy with a non white woman. 0.53

00:28:39.000 Look. 0.53

00:28:46.000 And the answer, as Jack is getting that, is these are consumed overwhelmingly by women.

00:28:50.000 And in general, I'd say consumed by, in this case, women of color, black women, Latino women. 0.98

00:28:59.000 They all crave the hairy, barbarian Nordic bodies in their romance. 1.00

00:29:05.000 This is very telling, actually. 1.00

00:29:06.000 So this is what we're pulling down. 1.00

00:29:09.000 They're multicultural and.

00:29:11.000 Based on Amazon bestsellers, wait, wait, pull up the AI.

00:29:14.000 Where was that AI deal again?

00:29:16.000 I just want to read it. 0.63

00:29:17.000 Based on this, the overwhelming market is heavily dominated by BWWM, black women, white man pairings, particularly within the billionaire mafia and sports romance subgenres.

00:29:32.000 Dark romance and forced proximity are currently the top performing tropes. 0.99

00:29:36.000 Forced proximity.

00:29:38.000 And, Blake, the point that they're getting at, I believe, is that the.

00:29:43.000 Audience for this is not white men, is it?

00:29:46.000 No, it's not. 0.99

00:29:47.000 It is the women themselves. 0.99

00:29:49.000 And that's why I find this really interesting. 0.99

00:29:50.000 Is it like white women? 1.00

00:29:51.000 No, I think it's like black women. 1.00

00:29:53.000 Black women want to read a romance novel where a white guy falls in love with a black woman. 1.00

00:29:58.000 A lot of them do. 1.00

00:29:59.000 I bet there's some white women that read this stuff. 1.00

00:30:01.000 Probably. 0.99

00:30:01.000 I think they're probably not put off by it because a lot of the women who read this are woke, so they'll feel righteous as they read this. 0.99

00:30:10.000 And then the other groups actively like this.

00:30:12.000 I bet American white women do the misclassified Italian Russian male with a white woman. 1.00

00:30:18.000 They might.

00:30:19.000 What you are asking though, I like this question the forced proximity subgenre.

00:30:22.000 What's very interesting about romance novels in general, they have a lot of.

00:30:26.000 Very specific niche subgenres that will get tons of entries.

00:30:30.000 I know we've talked in here before how there's a million hockey romances.

00:30:34.000 Like, just go to Barnes and Noble, you'll find tons of them, and they're all hockey specifically.

00:30:39.000 But they'll also do that with types.

00:30:41.000 And so they mentioned there the billionaire subgenre, the mafia subgenre, the sports subgenre.

00:30:45.000 And yeah, forced proximity, that would be there's tropes where I think two people are fish out of water and you are, you know, very different worlds, and you contrive a reason they're stuck together.

00:30:56.000 So that could be.

00:30:57.000 They're in a shipwreck and they're stuck on a desert island.

00:31:00.000 Stuck in an elevator.

00:31:01.000 Yeah, stuck in an elevator, trapped in a panic room, trapped on an alien planet.

00:31:05.000 A million different iterations of this, but they'll all follow the same beats of, oh, I like the idea of them being trapped together. 0.76

00:31:12.000 Did anybody here ever date a black woman? 1.00

00:31:17.000 Looking at you, Cliff.

00:31:18.000 No?

00:31:19.000 Andrew, something you want to share?

00:31:20.000 I'm going to be fair.

00:31:22.000 I'm going to be very blunt. 1.00

00:31:26.000 Most black women hate me. 1.00

00:31:28.000 Oh, I don't know why. 1.00

00:31:29.000 Like, in general, do they get a medal or something?

00:31:31.000 What?

00:31:31.000 It's that hat.

00:31:33.000 I don't know what it is.

00:31:34.000 Do you like, if you like show up and.

00:31:37.000 I don't know what it is. 1.00

00:31:39.000 I piss off black women. 1.00

00:31:41.000 Like, I'm not kidding. 1.00

00:31:42.000 It's been my whole life.

00:31:43.000 I don't know what it is.

00:31:45.000 Like, I'm just like bothered by me. 1.00

00:31:47.000 Most black women, like, yeah, most black women do not find me funny. 1.00

00:31:51.000 They do not like me. 1.00

00:31:52.000 They don't think my humor is good.

00:31:54.000 They don't think like my sassiness or whatever.

00:31:57.000 Like, they don't like that.

00:31:58.000 Are you sassy?

00:32:00.000 So, I used to.

00:32:01.000 So, I used to.

00:32:01.000 Have you discovered this through experience or something?

00:32:04.000 Like, have you.

00:32:05.000 This is anecdotal.

00:32:06.000 It's your personal experience.

00:32:07.000 It's personal experience.

00:32:08.000 Like, I have many stories.

00:32:09.000 I don't know if I should share them, but like, it is true.

00:32:13.000 Were you like at an RB concert and you were in.

00:32:15.000 No, okay, fine.

00:32:16.000 I'll just share.

00:32:16.000 Did you go to a Boys Dement show?

00:32:18.000 When I was in college, I worked for a bank.

00:32:20.000 You went to see the Michael Jackson movie and he was thrown out.

00:32:23.000 No.

00:32:24.000 He asked somebody to be quiet and he got thrown out.

00:32:26.000 When I worked for college, when I was in college, I worked for a bank and we acquired a bank that was largely based in Detroit.

00:32:33.000 And every single bank manager that I was there to support was a black woman.

00:32:33.000 Okay.

00:32:39.000 And I talked to basically exclusively black women every single day.

00:32:42.000 And I was like, I'm like, I was a really nice person. 1.00

00:32:46.000 They did not like me at all.

00:32:47.000 Like, did not like, none of them.

00:32:50.000 It was like, I was batting zero.

00:32:51.000 I would have been good at that job.

00:32:53.000 I'm null.

00:32:54.000 So, in the middle of the day, no, but I have friends that like are loved by like, yeah.

00:32:58.000 One of my best friends is like loved by black women. 0.76

00:33:00.000 I'll run into black women just like at the store or whatever. 1.00

00:33:03.000 And they're like, I mean, get on like a house on fire. 1.00

00:33:07.000 I'm not.

00:33:07.000 It's not.

00:33:08.000 You need to. 1.00

00:33:09.000 If you're in the military, government, you'll find that a lot of like the administrative HR roles tend to be black women.

00:33:15.000 So if you can't, you know, build a rapport there, if you can't just have a conversation, then like you are not going to be very successful in any of those roles.

00:33:25.000 And what can I say?

00:33:26.000 Look, Cliff, you know, coming from the Philly area, like it's just something you grew up with.

00:33:30.000 Hey, hey, Blake, on that list, are there any black women, Mexican man novels?

00:33:37.000 I don't think so.

00:33:38.000 It seems like there was.

00:33:39.000 There's Asian male.

00:33:41.000 There's Asian male.

00:33:41.000 There's nine white male, Latin female.

00:33:44.000 Sorry. 0.96

00:33:44.000 Let's see. 0.96

00:33:44.000 Are there any others? 0.96

00:33:45.000 Let's see.

00:33:48.000 Authors.

00:33:50.000 Yeah, I don't think.

00:33:51.000 Amusingly, there is exactly one.

00:33:51.000 There is.

00:33:54.000 All right. 0.97

00:33:55.000 Black male, white female. 0.84

00:33:55.000 Where it's. 0.84

00:33:57.000 There is one Indian male, white female novel written by an Indian woman and it has arranged marriage themes.

00:34:04.000 Arranged marriage themes?

00:34:06.000 So that's definitely filling in. 0.65

00:34:07.000 This is hilarious.

00:34:08.000 So this tweet was drafted by this guy, Bucci, I guess.

00:34:12.000 And he goes, There was only one black male, white female romance novel.

00:34:12.000 Yeah.

00:34:16.000 At least that's what I thought.

00:34:18.000 It turns out the male protagonist is Russian with Viking traits and apparently the cover used stock photography.

00:34:25.000 At relaunch, in an effort to appeal to a different audience, these covers are amazing, by the way.

00:34:31.000 Let's see if we can throw up one of these.

00:34:33.000 We have Fjord Lord's Captive there.

00:34:36.000 That one is really amazing looking.

00:34:38.000 So, you know, what's weird about this is because I'm looking at this image right here.

00:34:45.000 And I mean, so here, I got to put this image up here. 1.00

00:34:50.000 But what's interesting about this is so this is all consumed by women. 1.00

00:34:54.000 Yes. 1.00

00:34:54.000 So, women apparently like the. 1.00

00:34:56.000 Yeah, there you go. 0.98

00:34:57.000 Alpha's Mate.

00:34:58.000 Bad Boy Bears book, too.

00:35:00.000 Bad.

00:35:00.000 This is terrible stuff.

00:35:03.000 This is the only thing keeping the bottom, like 60% of the population literate, by the way.

00:35:10.000 That's very elitist of you.

00:35:12.000 Yes, it is. 0.98

00:35:12.000 But what's interesting, if you swap the roles, like men are kind of famous for porn. 0.98

00:35:19.000 I'm not encouraging that, 11 year olds, where the roles would be reversed.

00:35:23.000 It's a famous genre.

00:35:24.000 I mean, I'm not.

00:35:24.000 It certainly is.

00:35:26.000 It's just a fascinating, weird, Wait, wait, wait, is that Blake?

00:35:29.000 Wait, hold on, wait, hold on.

00:35:31.000 What are we showing here?

00:35:32.000 What are they putting on?

00:35:33.000 Wait, producer Russ has made.

00:35:38.000 Wait, Blake, you have a series of interracial novels, Blake?

00:35:43.000 Is that true?

00:35:44.000 No, I'm looking at the author here.

00:35:47.000 They're written by Russ.

00:35:48.000 Russ writes all of them.

00:35:50.000 He's got the rice hat on and he's with a Vietnamese girl. 0.99

00:35:53.000 That's him after 100 push ups, though. 0.99

00:35:56.000 That one.

00:35:57.000 Yeah, that's Blake after 100 push ups.

00:35:58.000 Blake, why are you wearing dress shoes on the beach?

00:36:01.000 A man should always be properly dressed at all times, Jack.

00:36:03.000 This is literally the hard way to ignite everything.

00:36:07.000 I love how you have the quarter zip no matter what situation you're in, by the way.

00:36:11.000 Like on the palace.

00:36:12.000 Again, a man should always be properly dressed. 0.98

00:36:14.000 Trapped in an elevator, on the rice paddies. 1.00

00:36:18.000 That one's hilarious where you're wearing the one with the hat.

00:36:22.000 The rice paddy hat, yeah.

00:36:23.000 Wow, we were just talking about.

00:36:24.000 I would read that.

00:36:25.000 We were just talking about theater.

00:36:26.000 This is like Blake's West Side story.

00:36:29.000 No, that's the plot of Good Morning Vietnam, right? 1.00

00:36:32.000 He has like a Vietnamese.

00:36:34.000 Like, girlfriend that he meets when he's Robin Williams, when he's stationed there.

00:36:39.000 I don't know.

00:36:40.000 I've never seen that movie.

00:36:40.000 I haven't seen it for a while.

00:36:42.000 You guys never seen Good Morning Vietnam?

00:36:44.000 All right.

00:36:44.000 Gosh.

00:36:45.000 What is the takeaway here, Cliff?

00:36:47.000 Why are white men dominating the interracial romance novel category?

00:36:53.000 Look, here's what I need to say about that.

00:36:55.000 We are not objects.

00:36:57.000 Stop objectifying us.

00:36:59.000 We keep objectifying us.

00:37:01.000 Do it.

00:37:01.000 This is a weird, like, underhanded compliment.

00:37:03.000 Individuals hate us in culture and they hate us politically.

00:37:08.000 But they love us.

00:37:09.000 That's the takeaway.

00:37:10.000 They can, yeah, you can.

00:37:12.000 No, we'll go with that.

00:37:13.000 We'll go with that.

00:37:13.000 The hate is on the surface.

00:37:15.000 The hate is on the surface because what's simmering right underneath?

00:37:19.000 Yeah, it's, I mean, we've also seen this.

00:37:21.000 We've seen the, yeah.

00:37:23.000 No, I just think that.

00:37:24.000 I've seen who watches Bridgerton, okay?

00:37:30.000 You?

00:37:31.000 Did you watch it?

00:37:31.000 I've seen it.

00:37:33.000 Bridgerton.

00:37:34.000 Wow.

00:37:35.000 Did you watch it, Jack?

00:37:37.000 No.

00:37:38.000 Okay.

00:37:39.000 All right.

00:37:39.000 I mean, he says he's seen who watches it.

00:37:41.000 I don't know.

00:37:42.000 I haven't seen who watches it.

00:37:43.000 Point of clarification We're saying that the people that are buying these books, we know that they are minority females, or that's what we're guessing significantly.

00:37:53.000 That's according to this data, according to this data set.

00:37:56.000 No, from based on sales and Amazon data.

00:38:00.000 Where's the fact?

00:38:01.000 I didn't see that anywhere.

00:38:03.000 Blake was it was in the thing.

00:38:05.000 I read it.

00:38:05.000 Blake was presuming.

00:38:08.000 No, no, no, it's in the thread.

00:38:10.000 I put it in the chat.

00:38:12.000 Is it?

00:38:13.000 No, this is uh, he's presuming.

00:38:17.000 No, it's right there.

00:38:18.000 What does Zuzu's pedal say?

00:38:19.000 From Booch to Booch on App.

00:38:20.000 Do you want to cover a t shirt and sell it?

00:38:24.000 Maybe.

00:38:26.000 I made it our group photo on Telegram.

00:38:28.000 Oh, dear.

00:38:29.000 Jeez, you did.

00:38:30.000 Look at that, dear Lord.

00:38:32.000 Okay.

00:38:32.000 Well, that is a thought process.

00:38:34.000 Hold on, Jack.

00:38:34.000 Don't say anything.

00:38:35.000 Don't say anything.

00:38:36.000 Cliff, what is the takeaway here? 0.67

00:38:38.000 The takeaway, I do agree with Jack, is that they act in public and virtue signal that all white men are evil, but in reality, they've got a soft spot for us. 0.66

00:38:49.000 We're charming. 0.71

00:38:50.000 Well, here's what's confusing about it. 0.99

00:38:52.000 I mean, we've made pretty dramatic inroads with black men, specifically, like black men love Trump and they've broken the whole since Obama, since we were just talking about Obama, since the Obama era. 0.93

00:39:05.000 Black women, not so much. 0.99

00:39:07.000 Black women are not big fans of most of us, but they're buying the books. 1.00

00:39:14.000 So there's got to be an inroad there politically. 0.85

00:39:17.000 Yeah, I also.

00:39:18.000 I'll get my African American over here.

00:39:20.000 Yeah.

00:39:20.000 I also think, yeah, they do love Trump, but I do think we always underestimate how much black men.

00:39:27.000 Kamala Harris.

00:39:29.000 I mean, yes. 0.81

00:39:30.000 They hated her with a passion.

00:39:32.000 How do they feel about Michelle?

00:39:35.000 I think they look at Michelle Obama as like an actual black woman. 0.66

00:39:37.000 I think they just looked at Kamala and it was a little too yappy and a little too like. 1.00

00:39:41.000 A little too Indian. 1.00

00:39:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:39:42.000 Like, is she faking it? 1.00

00:39:44.000 Is she really a black woman? 1.00

00:39:45.000 Correct. 1.00

00:39:46.000 Yeah.

00:39:49.000 Charlie used to talk a lot about Angel Studios and what they were building.

00:39:52.000 And as you know, I've been a longtime fan of it for the same reason.

00:39:56.000 So I wanted to share some of my.

00:39:57.000 Favorite films and shows on Angel, and I put them all into one easy to use watch list.

00:40:02.000 This is content that's actually worth your time, not just noise or recycled talking points, but stories that go a level deeper and ask better questions.

00:40:10.000 That's what stands out about Angel to me.

00:40:12.000 They're willing to put out films and documentaries that don't just follow the usual script, especially when it comes to politics, culture, and the bigger conversations you and I should be having.

00:40:21.000 So on my watch list, you'll find pics that lean into those topics, but there are also solid options for family or just something meaningful to watch at the end of a stressful day.

00:40:30.000 If you want to check it out, go to angel.com/slash Charlie and take a look at the watch list I put together.

00:40:38.000 Someone was asking if they can make a romance novel cover set in the Roman Empire.

00:40:43.000 You would be good at that.

00:40:44.000 But they did ask for the show.

00:40:45.000 He keeps sending in his own comments.

00:40:47.000 Caligula.

00:40:49.000 Oh, dear.

00:40:50.000 Can we hit.

00:40:52.000 We got it before. 0.82

00:40:52.000 I have a hard out, but I would love to hit this millennial mom thing. 0.82

00:40:58.000 I've been sitting on this for like two weeks now. 1.00

00:41:00.000 You're talking about the one where 40-year-old moms are having more babies than. 0.66

00:41:05.000 No, Not that one.

00:41:07.000 It's related to that, but this was the one where it was like they were saying that millennial moms, so moms who I guess like are in their 30s, 40s now are actually reporting more.

00:41:18.000 This is a Newsweek article, and they were reporting to be more, feeling more drained, feeling more mentally anguished, feeling more, what was the word?

00:41:29.000 Resentful.

00:41:30.000 This is the headline from Newsweek feeling more resentful than mothers of other generations. 0.99

00:41:37.000 So Gen X, And baby boomer mothers.

00:41:41.000 And it said, well, the findings suggest that while motherhood has changed across generations, the burden of managing family life still falls disproportionately on moms. 0.85

00:41:49.000 Okay, that's kind of a ridiculous suggestion.

00:41:51.000 Like, obviously, moms are the best at raising families because that's why we have moms. 0.97

00:41:55.000 That's what they are for.

00:41:57.000 But it was talking about how millennial moms have a higher rate of burnout and resentment, and that personal time is their number one need, and stated that way more than Gen X or baby boomer moms.

00:42:13.000 And I wanted to throw out to the chat.

00:42:15.000 Of course, which we are reading, and also to the gang here as to what we think might be the reason for this huge generational disparity social media.

00:42:27.000 Social media.

00:42:29.000 Yeah, I mean, it's just like they all look, I'm telling you, they all look on Instagram and they all compare their lives to all the other moms and how they have it put together.

00:42:37.000 And they're like, my life sucks compared to them.

00:42:39.000 I'm resentful. 0.99

00:42:40.000 Delete Instagram.

00:42:41.000 Yeah, seriously.

00:42:42.000 They would be so much happier if they just deleted Instagram.

00:42:44.000 When you figure if you're in your 30s or 40s, you know, you're raising kids in the era of like, You have to be a victim.

00:42:51.000 You know, we've kind of gone over the hump of that.

00:42:52.000 And it's like, I think they're probably fighting for privilege points.

00:42:55.000 And it's like, you said, everybody's critical on social media.

00:42:59.000 I mean, it's.

00:42:59.000 Yeah, but I also think it's like the expectations on moms these days are completely out of bounds.

00:43:05.000 Like Gen Xers were free range kids. 0.62

00:43:08.000 Like boomers let their kids just ride around the park and ride around the neighborhood. 0.86

00:43:12.000 Like, they didn't have to helicopter parent them. 0.56

00:43:15.000 So you got to do that.

00:43:16.000 Then you got to get them the tutor.

00:43:17.000 Then you got to get them the piano lessons and the like fence.

00:43:20.000 Whatever the hell it is. 0.96

00:43:23.000 We've made being a parent a lot more miserable. 0.67

00:43:25.000 It's more time consuming.

00:43:27.000 There's a lot more things you have to worry about, either literally.

00:43:31.000 So, if you live in a place with bad public schools, now that's something you have to, you might have to homeschool.

00:43:37.000 You might have to find the right private school or get them into the right school.

00:43:41.000 And you have to be a boss babe at the same time.

00:43:43.000 And you've got to have a job.

00:43:45.000 You have to have a full time job.

00:43:46.000 And that's what the article is talking about.

00:43:48.000 I'm doing my tie right now as we chat here because I have a hit.

00:43:52.000 But uh, Jolie Silva, PhD, how's my tie?

00:43:56.000 I wasn't even looking, it's pretty good.

00:43:57.000 Not bad for a Catholic school kid. 0.88

00:44:01.000 Um, that millennial mothers were raised in a climate of women's empowerment to climb the corporate ladder, be entrepreneurs, become highly educated, and make their own money. 0.92

00:44:10.000 Most of these women also wanted to be moms and perhaps weren't presented with the realities of the hardest job. 0.98

00:44:15.000 So you have the girl bossism on one hand, but I would definitely argue that Instagram brain is a huge part of that.

00:44:23.000 Particularly because they go on Instagram and they're going to see some influencer who's got the perfect house, got the perfectly, is working out all the time, everything seems great, kids seem great, has a job. 0.51

00:44:36.000 And it's like, how am I supposed to compete with that?

00:44:39.000 And internally, subconsciously, it creates all of these problems.

00:44:43.000 So that's why I tweeted on Mother's Day that if you want to be a good husband to your wife, to your spouse on Mother's Day, yes, of course, take her out, treat her well.

00:44:54.000 But if you really want to help her unburden her mental load, if you want to help her find that way to relax, don't get her spa tickets.

00:45:02.000 Don't give her that back rub.

00:45:04.000 The main thing that you can do is to take her phone and delete Instagram.

00:45:10.000 I got to agree with that.

00:45:11.000 I think, yeah.

00:45:13.000 So Russ is making a good point because they're doing wedding planning right now and like the FOMO thing is real.

00:45:17.000 So my wife used to be a wedding planner and she and her mom did the business together and they were talking about how brides just kept getting worse and worse because of Pinterest.

00:45:26.000 So, they would all compare their wedding, even though they had like a $50,000 budget or a $30,000 budget, and they'd be comparing it to like a million dollar budget or half million dollar budget.

00:45:35.000 So, all they're feeling is like inadequacy after inadequacy, FOMO, FOMO, FOMO.

00:45:40.000 So, you know, poor Russ is trying to plan one right now, and you're comparing yourself to like the entirety of the internet.

00:45:45.000 This is why I think people were happier when we just lived in like villages.

00:45:49.000 You used to just resent your neighbor.

00:45:51.000 You used to just resent your neighbor.

00:45:51.000 What?

00:45:52.000 Yeah.

00:45:52.000 When you were living in a village, and just like, imagine like prehistoric times.

00:45:57.000 You're literally, your psychology on some level is primarily based on what you're saying.

00:46:01.000 What?

00:46:02.000 Scott Adams used to say exactly what you're saying right now.

00:46:04.000 Oh, okay.

00:46:06.000 I'm legitimately not ripping it off, Scott Adams, but it's.

00:46:09.000 No, I'm not saying you are.

00:46:10.000 I'm just saying that's a good point.

00:46:11.000 He agreed with.

00:46:12.000 Exactly what you're saying. 0.77

00:46:13.000 Yeah, you just compare yourself to the other, like, you know, Neanderthal and like making fire in the corner.

00:46:19.000 Oh, he got a bigger deer than me.

00:46:20.000 Okay.

00:46:21.000 I guess that's, but you would also know your role in like a social structure much more clearly.

00:46:26.000 Like, I'm part of the guys that go out and hunt for, you know, wild, you know, animals.

00:46:32.000 Or you're a woman that sits around and you, you, you know, make the bread.

00:46:35.000 A really interesting manifestation of that, that I don't know if it's really been deeply investigated, but it's an interesting theory.

00:46:42.000 So, we talk about the number of kids people are having fertility rates.

00:46:45.000 Over the past.

00:46:47.000 Five years, roughly since COVID, the number of children being born in middle to lower middle income countries has absolutely cratered.

00:46:57.000 Like the number of kids that are having in Latin America.

00:46:59.000 It's because they don't have cell phones.

00:47:00.000 So the number of kids they're having in the Middle East, the number of kids they're having in Southeast Asia, those places that are, they're not rock bottom poor, but they're middle to lower middle class countries.

00:47:09.000 And I think a real factor in that, as you say, they got cell phones, they got on social media.

00:47:14.000 So we're getting FOMO of things in the United States.

00:47:18.000 Imagine how bad your life FOMO is if you're a person living on $3,000 a year in Jakarta, Indonesia.

00:47:24.000 I have a crazy story on this.

00:47:26.000 So, when I graduated college, I ended up joining up with an organization.

00:47:30.000 I went to Africa for a mission trip, and I was there for months.

00:47:34.000 And I was around the Maasai people.

00:47:37.000 So, we would do these little tours out to Maasai land.

00:47:41.000 And at one instance, I was literally in a Maasai hut, like a traditional, old, ancient hut.

00:47:49.000 There's nothing modern about it.

00:47:50.000 They did it in all the old school way.

00:47:52.000 When I got in there, I saw a car battery that somebody had sold them, and they used the car battery to charge their cell phones. 1.00

00:48:00.000 So these Maasai are living completely ancient lives. 0.98

00:48:03.000 And this is probably at the advent of smartphone technology, maybe a little before. 0.97

00:48:09.000 But I remember thinking they had full cell service out there.

00:48:12.000 They lived in a hut.

00:48:13.000 They were hunter gatherers, but they had a car battery to charge their cell phones.

00:48:18.000 It was like the wildest dichotomy.

00:48:20.000 They didn't have anything else, but they had a car battery to charge their cell phones.

00:48:23.000 So, they could use the car battery to charge the cell phone so they could get on Amazon and download the interracial novels.

00:48:31.000 Correct. 0.96

00:48:32.000 With the white men.

00:48:33.000 Were they happy people?

00:48:34.000 With the white men.

00:48:35.000 Yes.

00:48:35.000 Were they happy?

00:48:36.000 They were happy.

00:48:37.000 Those folks were really happy.

00:48:38.000 But again, this was at the advent of all that.

00:48:40.000 But I sort of wonder if I went back now and I saw them still living in huts, dodging elephants, literally, would they now have iPhones or Androids comparing themselves to Western cultures?

00:48:54.000 Or Asian culture, or whatever.

00:48:57.000 It was a really, really fascinating experience.

00:49:00.000 No, I think that's a huge part of it.

00:49:02.000 I think you are starting.

00:49:03.000 And by the way, I've seen something too with like millennials and just Zoomers on Instagram in general where people will like act like they've got a brand if they've and they'll have like 200 followers or whatever.

00:49:16.000 And it's like, what's up, guys?

00:49:17.000 Here's what I'm doing today.

00:49:18.000 La la la.

00:49:19.000 And it's like, who are you?

00:49:22.000 Like, what are you doing?

00:49:23.000 Like, we shouldn't all.

00:49:26.000 Like nine views or something.

00:49:26.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:49:27.000 And I'm not dissing it or anything.

00:49:29.000 Like, if you want to get started, that's fine.

00:49:31.000 But I do think that we've created a problem.

00:49:34.000 We have a problem in society and social media, particularly Instagram and TikTok, cause this where everybody wants to be like the person on stage.

00:49:42.000 Everybody wants to be the center of attention.

00:49:47.000 And it creates this really narcissistic feedback loop for a lot of people.

00:49:53.000 This is why Blake's right.

00:49:54.000 They're constantly creating this content.

00:49:57.000 And just real quick, it disconnects you from what you are doing in the moment because you are.

00:50:04.000 Like you are wanting to be, you know, you're wanting to like film it for people elsewise.

00:50:10.000 And you see this, of course, in like the wake of, you know, horrific tragedies or events or like car crashes.

00:50:15.000 Like, oh, I got to film this for the Graham as opposed to be like, oh my gosh, can I help someone?

00:50:19.000 Well, this is ultimately why Blake's right. 0.82

00:50:20.000 We're going to lose to China because we are producing a culture where everybody wants to be a social media influencer. 0.56

00:50:27.000 And can I just tell you, as somebody who did my darndest to avoid ever being a public person until what happened to Charlie and I was sort of like forced to be more public, being private was way better.

00:50:39.000 And actually, it made me feel bad for you, Jack, because Charlie obviously was a very public figure.

00:50:46.000 He's not here.

00:50:48.000 You've been forced to be a public figure.

00:50:50.000 You did it to yourself, but you've had to endure it for years.

00:50:55.000 And I think it's.

00:50:56.000 I got a bug in my throat.

00:50:59.000 I tried to give Andrew a bit of a downside of it, it is really, really shockingly awful, I will tell you. 1.00

00:51:04.000 I think the worst thing in modern culture with women on particularly Instagram is this crossover between. 0.98

00:51:14.000 The arch of, or the arc, not the arch, the arc of the pick me girl crossing into the main character syndrome. 0.98

00:51:23.000 What's the pick me girl? 1.00

00:51:26.000 Pick me girls on Instagram are people who are trying to exemplify their superiority over other women. 1.00

00:51:35.000 Okay. 1.00

00:51:35.000 So sometimes it's deprecating of other women. 1.00

00:51:40.000 Are they like the mean girls? 0.99

00:51:41.000 Yeah, it's kind of like mean girl syndrome.

00:51:44.000 No, it's like, I'm not like other girls.

00:51:47.000 I'm like one of the guys.

00:51:48.000 They're fishing for comments.

00:51:50.000 They're trying to, you know, get clout with the guys.

00:51:52.000 Yeah.

00:51:53.000 Oh, is it male geared?

00:51:55.000 I've just been not geared to it. 1.00

00:51:58.000 It's like those other girls are hussies. 1.00

00:52:00.000 Those are thoughts. 1.00

00:52:01.000 Those are whatever.

00:52:02.000 Like, I'm not, I'm cool.

00:52:04.000 I'm not like them.

00:52:05.000 Okay.

00:52:05.000 Yeah.

00:52:06.000 It's funny.

00:52:06.000 There was like a whole conspiracy theory that I deleted my Instagram because it was like, it had all this stuff on it that was really important public knowledge.

00:52:15.000 It was literally just pictures of my kids.

00:52:17.000 So, my wife took my phone, and like, I haven't been on Instagram in like a long time.

00:52:22.000 People send me Instagram.

00:52:23.000 It was, it was, it was just this weird account.

00:52:25.000 I found like Andrew Colvett too, and it's just weird pictures of you.

00:52:28.000 I don't know if it's real, but it's just Andrew and Speedos.

00:52:28.000 Like, I think it's AI.

00:52:30.000 Like, no, it's like, uh, it's actually, it's actually Andrew singing on stage.

00:52:37.000 Uh, and uh, is it, is it, can you steal my heart?

00:52:42.000 Yeah.

00:52:42.000 You saw it too.

00:52:44.000 That's what it is.

00:52:46.000 Oh, no.

00:52:47.000 That's really funny.

00:52:48.000 Say literally, that's what the hut looked like.

00:52:48.000 I had.

00:52:51.000 The guy went inside, andrew Colvet goes into Maasai territory, comes out.

00:52:59.000 Can you steal my heart?

00:53:00.000 What I don't know. 1.00

00:53:01.000 The best part is, I did just tell Grok give it a punny African title, and it went with that. 1.00

00:53:08.000 That's pretty good. 0.99

00:53:09.000 These things are overtaking us, they're coming up with bad puns for romance novels.

00:53:09.000 It's pretty good.

00:53:13.000 Let me actually, that's what the hut looked like, and it was filled with flies.

00:53:17.000 That's what they don't show you in that romance novel.

00:53:20.000 Absolute fill with flies.

00:53:22.000 You bring up a great point about the public.

00:53:24.000 You know, we all kind of have this public persona, but it's like people ask me all the time, like, what is your off ramp from politics and what you're doing?

00:53:32.000 And I'm like, my dream is like the day that I can delete all social media.

00:53:38.000 Right.

00:53:38.000 I mean, and I don't mind saying this on the air.

00:53:40.000 Like, I really have to do it to raise the money.

00:53:42.000 Right.

00:53:43.000 Like, to get the people to apply for door knocking, sure.

00:53:46.000 But like, really, the public perception is, well, all these other groups are doing this.

00:53:50.000 Like, it's about, you know, being able to reach donors and having a presence out there and commenting.

00:53:55.000 But like, the day I'm done, like, phone in the trash, I'm off all social media.

00:54:01.000 Yeah, man.

00:54:02.000 I genuinely think that it, If I could be king of the world for one day and I could just destroy social media, that's what I would do.

00:54:11.000 Yeah, one of my dream laws is.

00:54:13.000 It would be legitimately the best thing they could ever have.

00:54:17.000 Frankly, I wasn't even on Twitter until last fall.

00:54:21.000 And then you ordered me onto it.

00:54:23.000 You said, if I had to do it, I was like, Blake, you've got to start an X account.

00:54:27.000 I'm like, okay, fine.

00:54:28.000 But I think ideally, yes, I think a huge number of our social ills are downstream.

00:54:34.000 Of social media.

00:54:35.000 And if I could, I think I would pass a law and say, yeah, we're abolishing Instagram or we're at least restricting it.

00:54:42.000 One of my hot takes is Instagram is bad for women in the same way that hardcore pornography is bad for men, in that it takes a natural drive that a person has that is overall good and it supercharges it in a way that is destructive.

00:54:58.000 So with pornography, like men are supposed to be attracted to women, they're supposed to pursue women, they're supposed to try to have kids with women.

00:55:03.000 And you're blowing that out with a super stimulus and it's messing with your head.

00:55:06.000 Got to dip, guys.

00:55:08.000 Jack, we love you.

00:55:09.000 Enjoy your hit.

00:55:10.000 What hit are you doing?

00:55:12.000 Rob Schmidt on News News Mags.

00:55:14.000 Have fun.

00:55:15.000 Check it out. 1.00

00:55:17.000 Instagram, though, same thing that women are, as we've said, they're norm enforcers. 1.00

00:55:23.000 They are naturally going to care about what other people are doing and think of them. 1.00

00:55:29.000 They're the glue that holds a community together.

00:55:31.000 And we're super stimulating that.

00:55:33.000 We're showing them too much of what's going on for too many people, and it's making them feel massively inadequate.

00:55:40.000 When that would not be the case if they were in a normal community with normal people of their normal social circle.

00:55:46.000 Well, and by the way, the cure to this is community, and namely church.

00:55:52.000 Of course, yes, of course.

00:55:53.000 It was like Jonathan Haidt had this clip, and I want to pull it again, but he was asked the question like, who raises better kids, right wingers or left wingers?

00:56:01.000 And he was like.

00:56:02.000 He said, not even close, not even close.

00:56:04.000 It's not even like statistically close.

00:56:06.000 I'm not even going to try and throw a bone to the left.

00:56:09.000 The kids of the right are completely more well adjusted.

00:56:12.000 And he specifically brought up social media that they're more likely not to get washed out to sea, is, I think, the way he put it, because right wingers tend to go to church.

00:56:20.000 They have based in communities, based in family communities.

00:56:23.000 And they're just way more stable. 0.94

00:56:26.000 So, women that have families, kids, that have a stable husband, I think they are going to endure the onslaught of social media much, much more in a healthy way than.

00:56:39.000 Yeah, he calls it the happiness gap, right? 0.91

00:56:42.000 The happiness gap is because the right wingers will keep their kids off the phone.

00:56:46.000 Yeah, I mean, we're talking about strategies right now because my kids are little, but we want to be able to get a hold of them for safety, but they make all these phones that don't have the smartphone stuff on it.

00:56:57.000 Really, Steve Jobs ruined everything.

00:56:59.000 It's insane how much phones mess with you.

00:57:02.000 I think one of the craziest ones to me is there's some study that having a phone in the room, you're not on it, but there's just a phone in the room, damages your ability to do focused work.

00:57:17.000 You don't even, it's not even, it's not even that you are because you grab the phone and it distracts you.

00:57:17.000 On things.

00:57:21.000 Just you're thinking about the phone and what's on it.

00:57:23.000 You have to literally take the phone, remove it from the room.

00:57:26.000 So, I'm actually doing a big camping trip with my kids where the whole thing is digital detox.

00:57:33.000 Nice.

00:57:34.000 Where are you going?

00:57:35.000 I'm not going to say privacy, but it's a really fun outpost.

00:57:39.000 Out of state?

00:57:40.000 Yeah, out of state.

00:57:41.000 So, we're going for four days and we're digital detox.

00:57:45.000 Western or Eastern United States?

00:57:46.000 Western United States, of course.

00:57:48.000 Northwestern or Southwestern?

00:57:49.000 So, the point is, they put your phone in a box for four days.

00:57:53.000 And if there's an emergency with your family or whatever, they have a satellite.

00:57:57.000 Phone.

00:57:57.000 That's the only way.

00:57:58.000 Oh, this is like set up where you're going.

00:58:00.000 Yeah, it's set up.

00:58:01.000 A guy invited me to it and I was like, this sounds rad.

00:58:03.000 So it's a bunch of dads with their kids.

00:58:05.000 Yeah, it's going to be fun.

00:58:05.000 That's cool.

00:58:08.000 It's four days without a phone.

00:58:09.000 And I was like, you know what?

00:58:10.000 I freaking need this.

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00:59:19.000 Zuzu's Petals has chimed in.

00:59:20.000 Again, thank you, Zuzu.

00:59:21.000 She says Instagram is for people too illiterate to read real news on X.

00:59:25.000 I am going to critique that a little bit, Zuzu.

00:59:27.000 Obviously, all of us are on X.

00:59:29.000 We get a lot of news on X.

00:59:30.000 We read takes on X.

00:59:32.000 But I would say you should not use X as your exclusive news source or maybe even your primary news source.

00:59:41.000 Because that's part of it is part of the Rod of X is you're getting one, a lot of AI fake stuff these days, but also just a lot of very brief hot takes that are not allowing you to fully grasp what's going on.

00:59:55.000 I would encourage everyone if you want to be an informed person, you should have normal news sites that you read and you read full articles on them.

01:00:04.000 And you should find a substack on a topic that you like in the real world.

01:00:08.000 So it can be finance if you're in business.

01:00:12.000 Uh, world news and politics just subscribe to Nate Silver or something.

01:00:17.000 Nate Silver is a good one to read, but find the thing that you can learn where that involves reading full long articles because you need to have that ability to digest a long argument about something.

01:00:29.000 So, I actually had this conversation, I had to do an event with uh Dr. Ben Carson last week in DC, and um, I was talking about he's obviously a brain surgeon, you know, a neuroscientist.

01:00:40.000 He said that reading long form.

01:00:43.000 Is the single most powerful, I guess, contributor to like strong neural pathways that you can do or you can engage in.

01:00:53.000 So, reading books, reading long articles, so much better for your brain than short form stuff.

01:00:59.000 I even notice that in short term, like when you're just, you read, when I'm in a high pace of reading, I'm doing a lot of reading each day, I start, it's like your brain is putting together all these connections.

01:01:11.000 I start noticing all this stuff.

01:01:12.000 I notice my vocabulary goes up.

01:01:14.000 On detecting new words.

01:01:15.000 Caboose the Bard, if you are going to follow somebody online, Caboose the Bard.

01:01:20.000 If you want the guy who's.

01:01:21.000 The funniest guy on X, he says, I'm the funniest guy on X, it's criminal.

01:01:24.000 He's the guy who does all of the sound intrusions on this.

01:01:27.000 So if you like those, you should follow him.

01:01:29.000 If you don't like those, you should follow him and send him angry messages and say that you don't like them.

01:01:35.000 Caboose the Bard.

01:01:37.000 There it is.

01:01:38.000 Yes, Caboose the Bard.

01:01:40.000 I guess all the better DD classes were taken.

01:01:43.000 He couldn't be Caboose the Paladin or Caboose the Mage.

01:01:45.000 Oh, jeez.

01:01:46.000 Caboose the Bard?

01:01:47.000 Caboose the Bard. 0.98

01:01:48.000 Sorry, I had to make that nerd joke.

01:01:49.000 We're going to have to find out about that, too.

01:01:51.000 Reading out loud, too, for kids.

01:01:53.000 Yeah, man.

01:01:54.000 I read out loud to my kids every night.

01:01:56.000 And it's really good.

01:01:57.000 But I do agree that the IQ on X is higher than the IQ on other platforms.

01:02:01.000 No, of course. 1.00

01:02:02.000 I mean, just if you had to take it, obviously there's retards on X as well, but like the full on overall median IQ is higher. 1.00

01:02:11.000 Reach hard alert. 1.00

01:02:14.000 You have to use the hangover pronunciation of retard. 1.00

01:02:17.000 Is that where I got it from? 1.00

01:02:18.000 This is like, you know, I want to come back.

01:02:20.000 It's like how Charlie would always say it Nazi when talking about Nazis.

01:02:23.000 He would say Nazis every time without exception.

01:02:26.000 And I kind of wonder, do you think that was.

01:02:28.000 And then Jen Saki, he would say, Jem Psaki.

01:02:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:02:32.000 Because he was a retard. 1.00

01:02:33.000 That's how Alan says it. 0.99

01:02:34.000 So, no, but he said Nazi because of. 1.00

01:02:37.000 Inglorious bastards. 1.00

01:02:38.000 That's why he said it, but I just thought it was. 1.00

01:02:38.000 Inglorious bastards. 1.00

01:02:40.000 Because he would do that not just in flippant references. 0.99

01:02:44.000 He would do that when 100% earnestly talking about World War II or America's achievements in World War II, things like that, where you'd think there'd be a little different way, but that was his way of doing that.

01:02:55.000 It was a funny tick of his.

01:02:56.000 Yeah, it was.

01:02:58.000 Are we done?

01:02:59.000 If we want, or we can keep going.

01:03:00.000 What did the Nazis think? 0.72

01:03:03.000 We could talk about the other part about how there's no teen moms and they're all 40 year old moms.

01:03:06.000 Oh, let's talk about that.

01:03:07.000 Yeah, this is great.

01:03:08.000 We have the graphic, right, guys?

01:03:11.000 Is that Russ Spacey?

01:03:14.000 Where's the graphic?

01:03:15.000 Throw the graphic up. 1.00

01:03:16.000 I want to read the headline about the 40 year old moms. 1.00

01:03:19.000 This is a wild new stat.

01:03:20.000 So I'm trying to find it.

01:03:23.000 There it goes.

01:03:23.000 More babies born to women over 40 than teens for the first time in U.S. history.

01:03:28.000 Birth rates in women over 40 have jumped 193% since 1990, CDC reports.

01:03:35.000 That's wild.

01:03:36.000 But I will tell you that, like, so we had our first kid when we were living in Los Angeles.

01:03:42.000 And the nurses were like, you know, my wife was in her 20s.

01:03:46.000 So they were like, you know, wow, this is like amazing.

01:03:50.000 This is going to be no issues here because they were so used to in LA having most of the moms be like close to 40 in their 40s.

01:03:59.000 I have a theory for this, and I sent it to the group too, was that teen alcoholism is way down.

01:04:05.000 So, you think they're totally linked?

01:04:08.000 I sent it over to the group.

01:04:09.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:04:10.000 Yeah, but they're all smoking weed, which I guess probably is not.

01:04:13.000 Weed doesn't get you laid.

01:04:15.000 Yeah, that 11 year olds.

01:04:16.000 Yeah, they, I mean, I think it's part of it is the alcoholism is like way down.

01:04:22.000 Alcohol is down.

01:04:22.000 And to the point kids aren't hanging out.

01:04:24.000 Yeah, they're not, they don't hang out.

01:04:25.000 They don't, but it's all, it's the same thing.

01:04:27.000 They don't like each other.

01:04:27.000 It's all together.

01:04:28.000 Like they're not dating.

01:04:30.000 They're not hanging out.

01:04:31.000 They don't have inside jokes.

01:04:33.000 They're not drinking, which is a good thing.

01:04:34.000 Which is, I mean, that's a good part of it.

01:04:37.000 But it is good that.

01:04:39.000 Teenagers are primarily teenagers are not having kids, other than we don't like it if they abort their kids, of course.

01:04:44.000 But it is still interesting because, yeah, we have the medical science to have your kids in your 30s and 40s.

01:04:53.000 But I think a very real fact that people have not been honestly informed about is just how much harder it is to have kids when you're in your 30s, especially if you haven't had kids before.

01:05:07.000 This is a thing that's a true fact.

01:05:09.000 If you have a kid when you're 22, That by itself makes it easier for you to get pregnant again when you're 32.

01:05:16.000 It just, your body becomes better at it.

01:05:19.000 It's a real thing.

01:05:20.000 Well, there was a, you know, that guy Zuby on X or whatever?

01:05:23.000 Yeah.

01:05:23.000 His name is Zuby.

01:05:24.000 He put out this tweet like a couple years back now.

01:05:26.000 Maybe it was even like five years back.

01:05:28.000 And he said, Do you wish you would have had more kids or are you happy with the number you had?

01:05:32.000 This thing went so viral.

01:05:35.000 Like so viral.

01:05:36.000 I mean, it was, you know, it was like 12, 16 million engagements by the time.

01:05:39.000 And it was like this.

01:05:40.000 And everybody chiming into the chat was, I wish I would have had more.

01:05:45.000 Or I had four or five and it's just right.

01:05:46.000 So the people that had like a lot of kids were happy.

01:05:49.000 But then the vast majority, I got started too late.

01:05:54.000 And one person left this comment that I'll just never forget.

01:05:57.000 And it was basically like, to your point, it was like, you know, when you get to a certain point in your life, you look back at your early 20s, mid 20s, and you realize you had this strong, healthy body that you just wasted on partying and getting drunk.

01:06:09.000 And not, I guess, to your point, maybe they're not so much, but like that was the reflection of this person that was in their 40s that had like two kids, wishes they would have had more, but struggled to get pregnant.

01:06:19.000 And they basically said, it's crazy.

01:06:21.000 You had this strong, healthy, like, you know, fertile body, and you just, you wasted all of these years.

01:06:28.000 Doing these things that you don't even remember now or you don't even value looking back on.

01:06:33.000 So, I'm a big believer that if you have that nagging feeling in the back of your mind, like, should I have more kids?

01:06:38.000 Like, the answer is yes.

01:06:40.000 Do you think abortion or access to protection, I mean, does that impact us at all?

01:06:47.000 Is that how we get to that stat?

01:06:49.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:06:50.000 I think, especially teenage and college age, like, everyone that's been on a college campus knows that they're like, They're just like throwing condoms around.

01:07:03.000 Like, that was like a big push for the last 20 years.

01:07:07.000 So, that's definitely had an impact for sure.

01:07:08.000 I think abortion for sure.

01:07:10.000 It's up 16% last year compared to 2020. 0.93

01:07:14.000 Abortion?

01:07:15.000 Yeah, in the U.S. 0.98

01:07:16.000 Yeah.

01:07:17.000 It became a lot more common after Dobbs, unfortunately.

01:07:17.000 Yeah.

01:07:20.000 The left wing states really went and supercharged their availability of that. 0.98

01:07:25.000 Yeah, well, and the tech companies were like, we're going to help finance your trip to California to get you your abortion.

01:07:32.000 Really sick stuff.

01:07:33.000 Foz has some good takes here. 0.90

01:07:34.000 He says, 40s is when the wannabe girl boss plays her final Trump card and retires to motherhood. 0.53

01:07:40.000 It's a tap out disguised as a win for liberals.

01:07:43.000 The fact that it's hard adds to the victimhood.

01:07:47.000 Sorry, Foz, if I shouldn't have attributed that to you.

01:07:50.000 But it's kind of true.

01:07:52.000 There is, I think, the boss babe journey, like the arc of the boss babe, right?

01:07:58.000 Where they get to that later stage and they kind of either have to settle or they finally find the guy that they're willing to have kids with and then they.

01:08:06.000 And then that's when they kind of come to grips with the fact there's no more time on the clock.

01:08:09.000 I got to go now.

01:08:10.000 So I think that's what's driving it a lot of this, like, you know, the clock's ticking down.

01:08:16.000 They got to take their final shot or else.

01:08:20.000 I think that's driving a lot of it. 1.00

01:08:21.000 But to your point, a lot of them need a lot of fertility help. 1.00

01:08:24.000 Yep. 0.99

01:08:25.000 A lot of doctor help, a lot of nutrition, a lot of IVF.

01:08:29.000 It's very dark.

01:08:31.000 There's a darkly funny aspect of this, which is one of the biggest reasons people give for not having kids earlier, is they need to be more financially established to do it.

01:08:40.000 And then when you go through this fertility stuff in your late 30s or 40s, you can easily spend a six figure sum trying to get pregnant.

01:08:47.000 If the cycles fail over and over, that stuff gets expensive.

01:08:52.000 I totally agree.

01:08:53.000 I was thinking about this.

01:08:54.000 Oh, yeah, this one.

01:08:55.000 Play this clip.

01:08:56.000 This is a good one from Rachel Wilson. 1.00

01:08:57.000 I'm still trying to get her on the show. 0.99

01:08:59.000 She's great. 0.96

01:09:01.000 But she kind of gives a little bit of it, kind of like it's talking around some of these issues that we're talking about how unhappy moms are, how unhappy women are in general. 0.99

01:09:12.000 Yeah, loaded at 29.

01:09:13.000 Okay, great.

01:09:13.000 Go ahead and play.

01:09:14.000 Women just overall reporting dissatisfaction, unhappiness, a feeling of being really torn, trying to have it all, trying to have a career and be a career woman and also have a family and do all of that. 1.00

01:09:29.000 Women don't know what to do with relationships because, on the one hand, they want men who make more than they do, they want men who are higher achieving than they are. 0.97

01:09:38.000 Yet, this creates a paradox whereas women have become the number one earners of college degrees. 0.99

01:09:44.000 Uh, now got salaries that compete with men, uh, and they've got more equality than ever before.

01:09:51.000 They're finding that the men are not suitable to marry, they're finding that, uh, you know, they just can't find a guy who's on their level or higher, which is what they really want, which is, of course, been your experience as well.

01:10:03.000 So, just kidding, like, just kidding.

01:10:08.000 No, but but this talks about the paradox, right? 0.99

01:10:10.000 Because women are getting all these degrees, they're trying to do it all, and then they get to the point where they're 40 and they're like, okay. 0.96

01:10:17.000 I think a lot of them settle, if I'm just being honest. 0.98

01:10:19.000 Like, they settle for the guy they can get at 40 because they realize there's, you know, all of a sudden your math changes when you get to 40. 0.90

01:10:25.000 Charlie used to talk about this all the time, especially as, you know, women, like, a lot of the good ones are gone by the time 30 rolls around.

01:10:34.000 If you're a woman and you're trying to get a mate, right?

01:10:36.000 A good man, like, a lot of them tend to get married or, like, you know, are no longer in the dating pool at that point.

01:10:42.000 So I'm a big fan of starting early.

01:10:45.000 I don't think you should rush.

01:10:46.000 It's not what I'm saying.

01:10:47.000 Don't pick the wrong guy.

01:10:49.000 Make sure you've sussed them out.

01:10:50.000 Make sure you go through premarital counseling. 1.00

01:10:51.000 I'll do all the things.

01:10:52.000 But, man, I think if you're at 30 and you're just starting to think about it, I do believe that that's like the wrong strategy, the wrong approach.

01:11:03.000 If you know in your life you want to get married and have kids, I think earlier is better.

01:11:07.000 Yeah.

01:11:09.000 Right, Cliff?

01:11:10.000 Yes, sir.

01:11:11.000 Yes, sir.

01:11:12.000 So, hold on.

01:11:12.000 Just real quick.

01:11:13.000 The stat was I know we jumped around.

01:11:15.000 The stat was that people in their 40s are having more kids than teens?

01:11:18.000 For the first time ever.

01:11:18.000 Yes.

01:11:19.000 That's wild.

01:11:20.000 Yeah.

01:11:22.000 I mean, but and definitely, I bet, well, I don't know.

01:11:26.000 I don't know this, but there's probably fewer people now as a percentage that are having babies in their 40s.

01:11:33.000 And that's how low the birth rate is for teens.

01:11:36.000 Well, more, I think the number of births in 40s is going up over time.

01:11:39.000 No, it's gone up 193% or something.

01:11:41.000 No, it's still not a very high total compared to 20s and 30s.

01:11:44.000 That's why our birth rate is low.

01:11:46.000 Yeah.

01:11:46.000 But it is somewhat marginally propped up by a few of these people.

01:11:50.000 I bet it's because the Mormons are having fewer kids as teenagers, too. 0.95

01:11:54.000 Mormon birth rates. 1.00

01:11:55.000 No, it's Mormons. 0.99

01:11:56.000 It's Catholics.

01:11:58.000 It's Orthodox, religious, hardcore Christians, Catholics, young Catholics.

01:12:08.000 Most of my friends, I would say, and people that are a little bit younger than me, because I grew up basically just around exclusively Catholics and Mormons, most went one of two directions. 0.59

01:12:19.000 They either immediately came out of high school and had a bunch of kids, or They wait in until they're like right now.

01:12:26.000 Like, I know a bunch of people who are like in their late 30s, early 40s, who are just like barely starting their family.

01:12:33.000 I now all of them, and by the way, now all of them are pretty conservative.

01:12:37.000 Yeah.

01:12:37.000 Well, millennials are getting more and more conservative.

01:12:39.000 I think that we should like at some point devote like a show about the absolute psyop that millennials endured in this country because like it's crazy the expectations we had in life and like what we were told was good.

01:12:52.000 Like, how many millennials were told don't have kids, you know?

01:12:56.000 Stuff, even from people who are reasonably conservative.

01:12:59.000 I think about it.

01:13:00.000 Sorry, mom and dad, I know you listen to this show, so I'm going to criticize you a little bit here.

01:13:04.000 But one of my sisters, she's a dentist.

01:13:08.000 And my dad was lobbying her hard to go spend more time in school and become an oral surgeon, which is go to school another four years.

01:13:17.000 You can make more money, do all these things, but it is four more years of school.

01:13:22.000 And what my sister's opinion on this was okay, but then I won't be done with school until I'm in my 30s.

01:13:30.000 And she'd gotten married by this point. 0.72

01:13:32.000 She's like, I want to have kids.

01:13:34.000 And she has three kids now.

01:13:35.000 And I'm not sure how enthusiastic she is about actually being a dentist. 0.99

01:13:39.000 Well, by the way, that happens a lot with moms. 0.90

01:13:41.000 Yes. 1.00

01:13:42.000 They have their first kid and a lot of them just don't come back to the workforce.

01:13:45.000 I told Daisy when she had her daughter, I was like, I'm not sure you're coming back.

01:13:50.000 But she's like, Adam, we've worked out.

01:13:52.000 She's got a good situation here that she can support.

01:13:55.000 But it's a real thing in that parents, even conservative parents, they worry about their daughters being able to support themselves, having independence.

01:14:04.000 This is a real thing.

01:14:06.000 But they do end up encouraging them down a life path where.

01:14:10.000 They're a lot less likely to have as many kids as their mom did or as early as their mom did. 0.99

01:14:15.000 And then you got the Hispanics that, like, are they'll live in like four families to an apartment building and they all have four kids. 0.98

01:14:21.000 And it's, you know, if your goal is to have kids, the point is like money, yeah, it's a concern, but it shouldn't be your primary concern. 0.99

01:14:28.000 I'm a big believer that when you have kids, like, God brings the provision.

01:14:32.000 So I'm, I totally believe that.

01:14:34.000 If you're devoted to it and you're, and you're serious about being like a good parent and a providing parent.

01:14:40.000 God will bring the provision.

01:14:41.000 I believe that.

01:14:43.000 All right, guys, it's been a great show.

01:14:45.000 I've had a good time.

01:14:46.000 And Cliff, do you want to final words to Cliff Malone?

01:14:49.000 You know, we want you to, you know, feel like you can talk here.

01:14:53.000 We're not going to just drag you through the mud with all of your extracurricular activities.

01:14:57.000 Tyler, can we promote the coloring book you did that forward for?

01:15:00.000 You did a forward for a coloring book?

01:15:03.000 No.

01:15:05.000 No, it wasn't a coloring book.

01:15:06.000 It was.

01:15:06.000 So Cliff has a new book that's out.

01:15:09.000 Oh, he made a coloring book?

01:15:10.000 Yes.

01:15:11.000 It's great.

01:15:12.000 Run Right Book.

01:15:13.000 Is it a romantic coloring book?

01:15:15.000 So I actually, over at the, I'll bring you, because Cliff was nice enough to send me a couple boxes of them.

01:15:19.000 So got them over on the.

01:15:21.000 All right, what's the title?

01:15:22.000 Run Right.

01:15:24.000 Run Right Book.com.

01:15:25.000 Great forward by the wonderful Tyler Boyer.

01:15:28.000 Tell a lot of stories.

01:15:29.000 Pretty much it was just the curriculum from our candidate academies with Joshua Lysik's assistance.

01:15:37.000 Our favorite coloring book.

01:15:38.000 Wow, this isn't a coloring book.

01:15:39.000 You lied to me.

01:15:40.000 This is a normal book.

01:15:41.000 Throw it up.

01:15:42.000 A lot of fun stuff from 2024 and then talking through the basics of.

01:15:48.000 I mean, most of it's honestly if people want to run for state house because that's kind of where we focus.

01:15:52.000 But, you know, if you're an activist or if somebody wants to run, we say if you want to run, you want to win, you want to stay principled.

01:15:57.000 That's the point of the book.

01:15:58.000 Good.

01:15:59.000 And use a lot of the learnings from Turning Point Action, what you guys impacted in the Citizen Alliance and in PA and other places.

01:15:59.000 Yeah.

01:16:07.000 There's not a lot of books out there that actually give you insight into what to do and how to win.

01:16:13.000 And again, most, I mean, look, most Republican Party apparatus scenarios in most states are pretty bad, right?

01:16:21.000 So you don't get any help whatsoever from those guys because if you're conservative, they basically attack you, try to take you out.

01:16:28.000 Most people don't help on the fundamentals when it comes to this.

01:16:31.000 And Cliff is one of the very few PhDs that we have within the conservative movement.

01:16:36.000 You got a PhD in running and in singing, not running for office, right?

01:16:43.000 I got to work on my push ups.

01:16:44.000 I was glad you didn't turn to me and say, hey, you're getting in the challenge.

01:16:47.000 Wait, so.

01:16:47.000 Is Poso coming back for a sign off?

01:16:49.000 No, let's just do it.

01:16:50.000 I think we're all right.

01:16:51.000 All right.

01:16:51.000 All right, we're good.

01:16:53.000 All right, guys.

01:16:54.000 This was a fun Thought Crime Thought Crime Thursday. 0.98

01:16:57.000 Until next Thursday, keep committing more thought crap.

01:17:04.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 16, 2026

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 127 — Obama, The Musical? Romance Novels? Instagram Moms?

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