The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 128 — Pizza Hut Nationalism? America 250? Call Her Mommy?

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00:01:17.000 These days, we seem to spend so much of our time and energy surviving and reacting to the unhappy events and the strife and the conflict in our overcrowded world.

00:01:25.000 But the bicentennials seem to awaken a certain feeling, a rather dormant spirit that too often seems to be missing from our modern life.

00:01:32.000 Call it patriotism, call it a rebirth of pride, call it whatever you will.

00:01:36.000 But if you mingled with the crowds who watched Upsale and the fireworks yesterday, Or came down for a last fling like these people at the South Street seaport this afternoon, you might have felt what we did a great sense of joy and well being.

00:01:49.000 For the first time in many years, New Yorkers of all ages and backgrounds out in force, celebrating together.

00:01:55.000 It reminded you of a small town celebration of the 4th of July, an idealized Norman Rockwell tableau.

00:02:01.000 Only it wasn't a small town scene, not with these hundreds of thousands out to see the ships.

00:02:06.000 Young families, older people, in many cases grandparents, parents, children, celebrating together.

00:02:12.000 And if you talk, To them, you found they articulated what your eyes were seeing a patriotic euphoria, bitter, angry, controversial years forgotten at least for this moment.

00:02:21.000 Unity reborn pride.

00:02:23.000 Are you a patriotic nut?

00:02:26.000 No, not at all.

00:02:28.000 Then, what happened to you?

00:02:29.000 We just got caught up in the feeling.

00:02:31.000 I didn't think I was going to care, and then when the day came, there we were.

00:02:36.000 Just felt great.

00:02:37.000 Everybody's in the spirit of the birthday move.

00:02:39.000 Yesterday morning on the train, one lady came in and said, Happy birthday.

00:02:43.000 Day, everybody and everybody chimed in and singing happy birthday, America.

00:02:46.000 It was a beautiful spirit.

00:02:48.000 I think people are closer together than they have ever been in a long time.

00:02:52.000 I saw us pulling apart 10 years ago and maybe people becoming very antagonistic.

00:02:57.000 I think this weekend showed us what we're really like.

00:03:00.000 We're really one.

00:03:02.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to this week's edition of Thought Crime Thursday.

00:03:07.000 We just watched there was video, I believe, out of Boston of the tall ships and the bicentennial.

00:03:15.000 Okay, it was actually New York.

00:03:16.000 They're telling me it's New York.

00:03:18.000 I know the tall ships were in New York and Boston from 1976.

00:03:23.000 1976, the bicentennial.

00:03:27.000 Was the bicentennial a little bit bigger than the 250th?

00:03:31.000 And why does it seem that way?

00:03:34.000 We are going to talk about it and we're going to commit a lot of thought crimes while we do it.

00:03:37.000 But let's check who do we have with us today?

00:03:40.000 Oh my gosh, it's the original for Up Thought Crime.

00:03:47.000 How are you doing, Jack?

00:03:47.000 What's up, guys?

00:03:49.000 What did you just do?

00:03:50.000 I just want to remind everybody that that video might seem nice and nice, but then they marched down to the polling booth and they elected Jimmy Carter right after that.

00:04:00.000 So that's a good point.

00:04:03.000 You know what struck me?

00:04:05.000 How wet that's because one of the major reasons that Ford was, that Ford lost in 1976 was that America still believed the lie that, you know, that Nixon was worthy of impeachment and that Ford had pardoned Nixon.

00:04:24.000 And so they were sort of just mad at Ford over that.

00:04:26.000 But my point is, the way that we can be better than.

00:04:30.000 In the 250 celebration is to make this 250 celebration so big and so impactful that we win midterms.

00:04:38.000 Are we going to make it big enough?

00:04:40.000 It seems pretty muted.

00:04:41.000 I mean, we're five months in.

00:04:43.000 July 4th is when it's going to come out.

00:04:45.000 July 4th will be, but they had stuff throughout the year and they did rededicate 250.

00:04:50.000 Guys, Trump's building an arch and he's repaving the reflecting pool.

00:04:57.000 There's so much stuff happening.

00:05:01.000 Yeah, I've been talking about this on X like all day.

00:05:05.000 And this all started actually with my mom, believe it or not, because she wrote an op ed and she was talking about this to me the other day because she went to Valley Forge for the 250th, or excuse me, the 200th, the bicentennial in 1976 and rode horses in the end of the wagon train there when Gerald Ford came.

00:05:24.000 And that's when Valley Forge Park was, it had been a state park for its entire history up until 1976 and Ford came and Designated a federal park, so this year will be the 50th anniversary of it becoming a federal park, and it's kind of wild that it wasn't a national park prior to that, but anyway.

00:05:39.000 Um, and she just always told all these stories about how it was so big, how it was such a huge deal that there were covered wagons from all 50 of the 50 states there.

00:05:50.000 I have no idea how they got Alaska and Hawaii, but that's what she said.

00:05:54.000 And she was surprised at how this year it seems kind of muted.

00:05:59.000 And what she was saying is that it wasn't so much about that the president.

00:06:02.000 You know, isn't doing anything and there aren't, you know, these events going on, but just that the general mood of the country doesn't seem to be as swept up in the anniversary as it was 50 years ago.

00:06:15.000 And that's kind of what I wanted to get into.

00:06:18.000 So it's not a knock on anything the president's doing.

00:06:21.000 It's just that in 1976, you saw this massive grassroots outpouring of love and national pride for the country.

00:06:30.000 You know, after time, as we just said, you know, we saw a president.

00:06:33.000 Resign.

00:06:33.000 We saw the Vietnam War had, you know, was just kind of coming to an end back then.

00:06:38.000 So there was a lot of tumultuous activity going on in the country, but there was something about that spirit of 76 that really took off in the bicentennial that we're just kind of not seeing this time around.

00:06:51.000 It's more, it feels like it's more top down.

00:06:52.000 Well, I think a big reason it would have felt different.

00:06:56.000 I'm looking at the numbers over time, and this is something that's been pointed out a lot.

00:07:00.000 The percentage of Americans who were born abroad in 1976 was Almost the lowest it had ever been in American history.

00:07:10.000 I'm looking, it's by decade here.

00:07:11.000 So in 1970, only 4.7% of Americans were born abroad.

00:07:18.000 How much?

00:07:19.000 4.7%.

00:07:20.000 In 1970, so a few years later, that had gone up because we'd started doing immigration.

00:07:23.000 But that's still the lowest. 0.85

00:07:25.000 So that was the most American America. 0.64

00:07:25.000 Wow. 0.64

00:07:29.000 Yes.

00:07:30.000 So, Jack, that explains why the 76th bicentennial was because everybody actually was born abroad. 0.83

00:07:37.000 I looked at those videos and my thought was, wow, we used to have a white country. 0.94

00:07:41.000 Yeah, that too. 1.00

00:07:42.000 But it's, yeah, so we had.

00:07:43.000 Sorry, white people are more into like the patriotism thing.

00:07:46.000 Yeah, but also in an American country.

00:07:48.000 Yeah, but also black Americans have been American all year long. 0.87

00:07:50.000 It was, by the way, just to be clear, black Americans, I disagree with them politically mostly, but I can, I mean, listen, you cannot tell the American story if you just tell the white story.

00:08:03.000 You have to tell the black story too. 0.86

00:08:04.000 As much as it's been absolutely bastardized, and the Tuskegee Airmen were like not, you know, at all as, you know, talented fighters as the movies.

00:08:14.000 It doesn't matter to me. 0.64

00:08:15.000 You cannot tell the American story without telling the white and the black story, okay?

00:08:21.000 They're as much Americans as we are.

00:08:22.000 So, so.

00:08:23.000 It doesn't surprise me that you'd see them also being supported.

00:08:27.000 Zuzu's pedals in the comments.

00:08:28.000 The text was always like 85, 15, 90, 10, kind of around there.

00:08:33.000 It's always been that traditional mix.

00:08:35.000 Zuzu's pedals asked in the comments, What was the percentage of non Americans in America in 1776?

00:08:40.000 Really high.

00:08:41.000 We actually, crazy enough, we had very high immigration even during the revolution.

00:08:46.000 People just kept pouring in.

00:08:48.000 Thomas Paine, that's one of my favorite facts.

00:08:49.000 Thomas Paine was an immigrant who basically showed up and wrote Common Sense and then fled the country to go to France.

00:08:56.000 But. 0.56

00:08:57.000 Yeah, no, so that was, yeah, 1976 is one of the most American generations because we had high immigration until the 20s. 1.00

00:09:04.000 We cut it off. 0.99

00:09:05.000 And then that generation of immigrants got heavily assimilated by World War I. 1.00

00:09:10.000 I was going to say World War II. 0.62

00:09:12.000 You got to remember World War II, right?

00:09:14.000 So my dad is in his early 20s in 1976.

00:09:19.000 He was raised going to high school, elementary school.

00:09:24.000 All of his teachers were World War II vets.

00:09:28.000 His college professors were World War II vets.

00:09:31.000 There was nothing, I think, those of us who didn't live through it, I think we fail to probably understand just how unifying winning World War II was for the body politic, for the culture.

00:09:42.000 How good for the country.

00:09:43.000 It's so interesting. 0.95

00:09:44.000 So, for example, you know what caused the baby boom pretty much?

00:09:47.000 Like before the Great Depression, before World War II, the U.S. birth rate was actually only about what it is today.

00:09:53.000 It was really low.

00:09:54.000 And then World War II happens, we win, and we think, oh, we have all these veterans.

00:09:58.000 How do we celebrate these veterans?

00:10:00.000 Let's pass the GI Bill and help a bunch of them go to college and get jobs, and let's create all these veteran preferences.

00:10:05.000 So, male status for all these World War II winning veterans goes way up.

00:10:09.000 So, the marriage rate goes way up.

00:10:11.000 Their wages go way up.

00:10:12.000 The birth rate goes way up.

00:10:14.000 You've seen the graphs, right?

00:10:15.000 Where it was like status, education, like male to female. 0.70

00:10:19.000 It turns out when the males in your culture, status wise, earnings wise, education wise, is higher than the females, you get a crap ton of babies.

00:10:29.000 And so many other things. 0.93

00:10:30.000 Like, I think one reason you had all these guys who served in the military.

00:10:35.000 They got useful, even stuff like, for example, if you watch old Star Trek, this is a funny thing.

00:10:40.000 Go on, Star Trek is made by this huge lib, Gene Roddenberry.

00:10:43.000 And yet, if you watch it, it just feels vaguely like you're watching actual U.S. military propaganda in some ways.

00:10:51.000 Starfleet is this super effective organization.

00:10:53.000 I know what you mean.

00:10:54.000 Highly competent men.

00:10:55.000 And it's because all the guys who made it had served in the military in World War II.

00:10:58.000 And it's like, even when they go on missions and the way they talk to each other, you can tell it's written by, and it's in a lot of media from that time frame.

00:11:07.000 There's honor.

00:11:07.000 That's a great example.

00:11:09.000 There's duty.

00:11:09.000 Yeah, you can tell that it's written by people who are actually drawing on their own experiences.

00:11:17.000 I think Kurt Vonnegut was actually in the bombing of Dresden.

00:11:22.000 And there's a ton of just authors and writers who reached back to Orwell, of course, was the Spanish Civil War, but who were drawing on their own experiences that led to that.

00:11:34.000 And so it was this massive, forged nation forging event, like World War II.

00:11:41.000 We had a shame in the 90s.

00:11:44.000 Creates that shared identity.

00:11:45.000 And that's a picture of Valley Forge right there.

00:11:48.000 You actually see a Confederate flag in that photo, which is kind of interesting that, like, that was an event that the president was going to, and nobody had a problem with the Confederate flag being there.

00:11:55.000 In this image, you can actually see Gerald Ford in one of the Conestoga wagons.

00:12:00.000 That image, hold this for a second.

00:12:02.000 That, if you look, the woman on the very far right here, that's my mom in the brown. 0.88

00:12:10.000 The one in the pink is my mom's cousin.

00:12:12.000 They're on together.

00:12:13.000 And the woman with the cowboy hat, cowgirl hat, is my grandma.

00:12:17.000 Very good.

00:12:18.000 That's great.

00:12:20.000 There's just, yeah.

00:12:21.000 It's a huge crowd.

00:12:21.000 There you go.

00:12:23.000 So, for the 250th, we have a few interesting celebrations that are very near and dear to the president's heart.

00:12:29.000 I only learned this today.

00:12:31.000 I knew about the UFC fight that we're doing.

00:12:33.000 That's going to be fun.

00:12:34.000 But I didn't know.

00:12:36.000 Apparently, we're doing an IndyCar race through the streets of D.C. D.C., yeah.

00:12:40.000 That's going to be something.

00:12:41.000 I like that.

00:12:42.000 I was just saying wait till the summer kicks into full gear.

00:12:45.000 We might have a whole different perspective of this.

00:12:47.000 But I think the larger point that you're making.

00:12:50.000 Jack, that we are more divided.

00:12:53.000 We're more ethnically divided. 1.00

00:12:55.000 We have way more foreigners and their children here that have no idea, no loyalty. 1.00

00:13:00.000 Many of them, some have them, okay? 1.00

00:13:02.000 And then we don't have this galvanizing, victorious, triumphant event just 25 years in our past, namely World War II, where we defeated the Nazis and tyranny and the Japanese. 0.77

00:13:12.000 Instead, we've got, you know, our boomers, our Vietnam vet eras, right? 0.61

00:13:17.000 So they, Summer of Love, Vietnam vet.

00:13:20.000 We've got many costly wars.

00:13:24.000 And the cost of living is through the roof.

00:13:26.000 And there's all of these, you know, there's a sense of national decline, whether it's warranted or not.

00:13:33.000 There is a sense of national decline that is pervasive.

00:13:37.000 And so all of these things mix into this goo, this soup.

00:13:41.000 And I do think it's going to be muted.

00:13:43.000 The other thing that I would just like to add is that, you know, back in the day when we had a president that wasn't the party that you were, so if we had a Democrat and you were registered Republican, There was still a sense that he's your president.

00:13:55.000 Now we do this game, he's not my president.

00:13:57.000 So half the country is instantly turned off to the 250 because Donald Trump happens to be president right now.

00:14:05.000 And that's too bad.

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00:16:49.000 And it shows the greater obsession with politics because it's not like 1976 had no political split.

00:16:49.000 True enough.

00:16:56.000 The splits in the 60s were incredibly bad.

00:16:58.000 The rioting was a lot worse then.

00:16:59.000 And we just come out of Watergate.

00:17:01.000 Watergate was psychologically devastating for America.

00:17:04.000 In some ways, we've never recovered from what happened in Watergate.

00:17:08.000 If you look at the general respect and status of the president in the 50s and 60s, and it's just, it's lost after Watergate.

00:17:16.000 That's after.

00:17:17.000 After that, it's when we get all the cynical political stuff.

00:17:20.000 It's when we get, frankly, a big increase in conspiracy theories involving the president.

00:17:24.000 There's just a lot more sense that you can't trust the government.

00:17:28.000 I think Congress has basically been stuck at 20% or below approval rating ever since Watergate happened.

00:17:34.000 Did Nixon do the wrong thing in taking the fall?

00:17:37.000 I think Nixon did the wrong thing in not having a bloodbath of his staff immediately after the break in happened.

00:17:46.000 He 100% did the wrong thing.

00:17:49.000 But just to be clear what we're talking about.

00:17:51.000 Jack, you should probably just do the primer here because there's probably some people that haven't got this full story.

00:17:56.000 But Nixon took the fall for the sake of the nation when it came to Watergate.

00:18:02.000 And by the way, before we go down too far down the rabbit hole, so this had just taken place.

00:18:02.000 Big time.

00:18:08.000 Nixon resigns in 74.

00:18:10.000 So those images you're looking at with Gerald Ford there, he's already pretty unpopular as a president in those images of Ford speaking at Valley Forge.

00:18:21.000 And he would go on, I pulled it up.

00:18:23.000 He You know, he loses 297 to 240 later that same year.

00:18:28.000 So he loses the presidential election.

00:18:30.000 He wins a fair amount of states, actually wins more states than Carter.

00:18:37.000 He actually loses Pennsylvania, which is the state that he's campaigning in right there.

00:18:41.000 But yeah, that's a losing president in, you know, of course, the president that no one ever elected.

00:18:46.000 But again, to Blake's broader point, the idea was that, you know, he was still the president.

00:18:53.000 It wasn't like, oh, I'm going to go see that Republican Gerald Ford.

00:18:55.000 It's like, I'm going to go see the president.

00:18:58.000 And, you know, so that was sort of seen as separate.

00:19:02.000 The role itself was seen as separate from the person.

00:19:04.000 Does that make sense?

00:19:05.000 Yeah, of course.

00:19:06.000 No, I think that's the larger point.

00:19:07.000 The Americans could still put their nation above politics.

00:19:12.000 And we've lost that ability.

00:19:14.000 I think we lost that ability starting with, you know, probably Iraq, honestly.

00:19:20.000 And it accelerated under Obama and has continued to accelerate under Trump, sadly.

00:19:26.000 Biden certainly didn't help.

00:19:27.000 Calling MAGA conservatives the greatest danger and existential danger to the country.

00:19:34.000 And then the villainization of white America, white supremacy, they still go on about how we're the greatest threat to the country. 0.99

00:19:42.000 That's the most retarded thing I've heard in a long time. 1.00

00:19:45.000 I really came to this conclusion. 1.00

00:19:46.000 I've known it's dumb, but the villainization of white America by the progressive left is literally one of the most retarded things. 1.00

00:19:54.000 It doesn't hold up statistically, it doesn't hold up anecdotally, it doesn't hold up economically, it doesn't hold up in any way, shape, or form. 0.99

00:20:02.000 Actually, white Americans tend to be pretty darn good citizens, and the country's lucky to have. 0.73

00:20:08.000 Like a vibrant, you know, robust white, uh, you know, population. 0.81

00:20:14.000 Uh, so, so, and go look at, yeah, I was gonna say, go look at those images, go look at the images again. 0.98

00:20:20.000 There's, you know, does that look like a problem, right?

00:20:23.000 There's always so much lying about the left where they say, like, oh, people weren't patriotic in the past.

00:20:29.000 There was no Norman Rockwell America.

00:20:31.000 That was all just made up.

00:20:32.000 And it's like, this is something where there are people who I'm sure there are people watching the show, there are people who remember it that have living memory of, of, Of this America and being this patriotic and having American bicentennial fever just took over.

00:20:46.000 And I was taking, and I'd love to throw out to the chat, you know, do you guys, if you can remember it, do you, what do you remember about the bicentennial?

00:20:53.000 The quarters were a big part of that.

00:20:54.000 I remember growing up with like bicentennial quarters was a big deal.

00:20:57.000 They made that was like the first special edition of the quarter that was made.

00:21:01.000 Now they kind of do it like every year.

00:21:03.000 No offense to Secretary Besant, but you know, it's just, it's just not as cool because it's like the first one that the first time it happened.

00:21:09.000 Like every company was doing something.

00:21:12.000 Literally every company, you know, patriotic Zippo lighters, and which were made in the USA.

00:21:18.000 I don't know if they're still made in the USA, but it's just on and on and on.

00:21:23.000 Whereas today, it's sort of like, you know, I think Coke is doing cups.

00:21:27.000 You know, that's one thing I've seen at like my kids' little league games.

00:21:30.000 But other than that, it just feels very top down.

00:21:34.000 Well, we've had some hits to the brand.

00:21:38.000 You know, that's just, you know, that's the bottom line.

00:21:40.000 America's had some hits to the brand.

00:21:44.000 And the hits keep coming, unfortunately.

00:21:47.000 Tyler, you always talk about how a lot of this goes back to Obama, and we just sort of give him a pass on it, but it really does.

00:21:55.000 It's all Obama, the whole thing.

00:21:58.000 It's not all Obama.

00:21:59.000 It's all Obama.

00:22:00.000 It's a lot Obama.

00:22:01.000 It's a lot.

00:22:01.000 I'll agree with you.

00:22:02.000 It's 100% Obama. 0.58

00:22:03.000 Okay, make your kid.

00:22:05.000 The shift happened during the.

00:22:07.000 It's very clear.

00:22:08.000 He started apologizing for America.

00:22:10.000 I mean, everything.

00:22:11.000 That's when you also saw a rise in the publications.

00:22:15.000 You know, New York Times, Washington Post use of the word race.

00:22:17.000 Yeah, racist.

00:22:18.000 That all blew up.

00:22:19.000 That all starts to go up a lot in, I want to say, 2009, 2010.

00:22:23.000 It goes really, really up in 2012.

00:22:25.000 If you just look at the graphs that Blake had just up, I mean, America was pretty consistent with its foreign born population.

00:22:37.000 And then obviously hit a huge spike in the Reagan decision.

00:22:41.000 And then 1990, people, the next people look, everybody goes to Hart Cellar, which was big.

00:22:48.000 But 1990 might have been like just fundamentally bigger because we went from 500,000 green cards a year to 1.2 million.

00:22:55.000 And we've just been going on that race since 1990.

00:22:57.000 And then it's just been increasing ever since.

00:22:59.000 And during the Obama years, I mean, obviously, the Democrats figured out during the Obama years that eight years was so devastating for America because they figured out all the things that they could do within the framework of the Constitution to fundamentally change America.

00:23:17.000 And that goes to packing the Supreme Court.

00:23:19.000 This idea didn't pop up until.

00:23:22.000 You know, basically starting with Holder and Co.

00:23:26.000 The redistricting games, you know, part of the everybody's like, you ask any old person, be like, hey, did you ever even, or were you even aware about redistricting?

00:23:35.000 Nobody was aware of redistricting.

00:23:36.000 This is, these are now games, gamesmanship that was basically conducted.

00:23:41.000 Again, Eric Holder and Co initiated this entire process.

00:23:46.000 The concept of flooding the country with illegals, you know, to change how redistricting is impacted is the primary, I believe, the primary reason why we have such an increase. 0.51

00:24:00.000 In foreign born, you know, foreign born nationals that are coming to the country, you have a huge amount of things that have now changed. 0.99

00:24:10.000 That now you talk about your California, the top two primary system, you talk about ranked choice voting.

00:24:18.000 I mean, again, we lived 250 years in this country, most of these ideas have sprung up in the last 15 years, and really, they got judicial activism is another thing, and they really got the national injunctions, the lawfare.

00:24:34.000 And they got their legs again under Eric Holder and co.

00:24:38.000 DEI. 0.99

00:24:39.000 All this like race crap. 0.99

00:24:40.000 Everything got changed during the Obama administration. 0.97

00:24:45.000 So, I mean, if you don't like the direction America is going, and lots of people, I've heard lots of people complain.

00:24:49.000 They're like, well, I don't like that Republicans are engaging in the redistricting fights, or, you know, I don't even know why we're talking about X, Y, and Z.

00:24:57.000 It's like, well, because all of this was brought to the forefront because Democrats, really bad Democrats, radical Democrats who want to hijack the government, We were put into positions of power during the Obama administration.

00:25:10.000 So I'm going to, we're hitting back.

00:25:13.000 We've taken some hits to the brand, but we're hitting back.

00:25:16.000 And I don't want to like people get like bummed out about everything.

00:25:19.000 This is a big white pill moment.

00:25:21.000 So the day we're recording this, if you're listening on podcasts on Saturday, but we're recording this right now live on Thursday.

00:25:27.000 So there's this big autopsy, right?

00:25:30.000 Throw this graph up if you would.

00:25:32.000 Jack, I don't know if you saw this or not, but look at the gains that conservatives have had since the Obama mania of 2008.

00:25:42.000 So in 2009, it was 60 Democrat senators to 40.

00:25:42.000 Look at that.

00:25:48.000 Now we're at 53 Republicans to 47.

00:25:51.000 That's an R plus 13.

00:25:53.000 Congress were R plus 41.

00:25:55.000 Governors were R plus 5.

00:25:56.000 State legislators were R plus nearly 1,000.

00:25:59.000 So can I follow up?

00:26:00.000 State trifectas, where we have both houses and the governorship, are R plus 13.

00:26:05.000 So my follow up to that is that some of these ideas and the people who are implementing them are highly unpopular.

00:26:13.000 So the Democrat shift, this radicalism to basically take over the government is, I think, organically.

00:26:13.000 Right.

00:26:21.000 I don't think there's been like an actual great national narrative that's talked about this.

00:26:25.000 But I think that people in general, Americans in general, have rejected that.

00:26:30.000 I mean, the reality is that Democrats worked harder to hijack the country and they've lost ground to this point.

00:26:37.000 Yeah.

00:26:38.000 Yeah.

00:26:38.000 They tried.

00:26:39.000 I mean, the question ultimately, and I know Jack and I have ruminated about this before, is.

00:26:45.000 You have to sort of ask yourself how much virtue is left in the body politic?

00:26:50.000 How much Americana is still coursing through our veins?

00:26:54.000 How much patriotism?

00:26:55.000 Like, that's a big question, especially when you've had the largest movement of humanity move into our country in the last four years.

00:27:03.000 We have 50 million people who were born outside America, but on top of that, all their kids. 0.95

00:27:08.000 I mean, yeah, all their kids. 0.99

00:27:11.000 And I'd say it also matters that I think they come from overall more alien cultures. 0.99

00:27:16.000 And it's a lot easier to avoid assimilating today because you can, if you're, if you move here now from, let's say, India, now you can be on social media from India. 1.00

00:27:26.000 You can easily fly back to India.

00:27:28.000 You can get all your India content.

00:27:29.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.90

00:27:30.000 You can, you basically can, and then live in your Indian neighborhood and basically live in little India in the US. 0.91

00:27:36.000 Yeah. 0.64

00:27:36.000 And it's just food. 0.64

00:27:37.000 And, and you have fewer vectors that would cause you to assimilate because if you're an immigrant here 100 years ago, it's going to be aggressively pushed that you need to know English, but also you'll probably be Christian. 0.72

00:27:49.000 So you'll probably be. 0.55

00:27:51.000 Involved in U.S. Christian churches, whereas if you're Hindu, there are not really any American Hindus other than Tulsi Gabbard.

00:27:57.000 But you've made this point.

00:27:59.000 I forget what the article was, but it was brilliant.

00:28:01.000 But it made the case, and maybe you could.

00:28:04.000 Yeah, no, I remember. 0.51

00:28:05.000 It's the Arctotherium to American Nations. 1.00

00:28:07.000 So you talk about how alien a culture is. 0.96

00:28:10.000 And somehow we need to systematize our thinking on this because if you go back far enough, let's take our brains back to 1880, right? 0.97

00:28:20.000 You still have a majority Anglo America, America.

00:28:24.000 And they were freaking out about Italians and Polish, and they were freaking out about the Irish.

00:28:32.000 They thought that those cultures were going to be impossible to assimilate.

00:28:37.000 But you had aggressive assimilation pressures from native born Americans, from the economy, from jobs, from churches, from civic society.

00:28:46.000 And it really didn't work for a long time. 0.85

00:28:51.000 And a lot of those populations caused massive problems.

00:28:53.000 What happened? 0.86

00:28:54.000 You had the Great Depression, and you had World War II. 0.96

00:28:57.000 Galvanized the nation and reforged a national identity. 0.83

00:29:02.000 But the big problem was that it created this myth. 0.71

00:29:05.000 The myth was, we're a nation of immigrants.

00:29:09.000 And that myth has blown open the doors to this even more alien cultures from the American core culture. 0.67

00:29:16.000 And the question is, can you assimilate cultures that are so alien, that don't share your religion, that don't share a love of Western civilization or inherent understanding of it?

00:29:25.000 That's the open question. 0.92

00:29:26.000 I mean, I didn't say this when we were having this conversation earlier.

00:29:31.000 Because I brought this up on my show on Human Events, but you know, and I hate doing the whole like, oh, well, my wife.

00:29:39.000 But so, you know, speaking as a guy who does live with a family where I have a wife who is an immigrant and has children whose mother is an immigrant.

00:29:54.000 And I know she listens to the show every week.

00:29:58.000 It's, I just got to say it though, you know, she loves this country.

00:30:02.000 She is totally assimilated to this country, not just patriotically, though, but also culturally and in terms of her background.

00:30:11.000 And for our kids, when they're going around, you know, playing Little League or whatever, they have no problem whatsoever fitting in, even though they are, in a sense, first generation immigrants.

00:30:23.000 And they don't run into that experience that many of the people who, you know, cite issues of alienation and isolation.

00:30:32.000 Run into as first generation immigrants because just because she's from Europe and because the majority of people in America are from Europe.

00:30:42.000 And Andrew, to your point, that it's actually okay to say that and it's actually okay to have immigration from Europe.

00:30:50.000 And yet, for some strange reason, all of the Hartzeller and 1990s and other immigration policies have always attempted to dilute the level of that population.

00:31:02.000 Yet, I just know from, again, anecdotal personal experience.

00:31:06.000 That when, you know, if someone comes over from Europe and wants to settle down here and have a family, it's seamless.

00:31:13.000 It's just seamless.

00:31:17.000 Charlie used to talk a lot about Angel Studios and what they were building.

00:31:21.000 And as you know, I've been a longtime fan of it for the same reason.

00:31:24.000 So I wanted to share some of my favorite films and shows on Angel, and I put them all into one easy to use watch list.

00:31:30.000 This is content that's actually worth your time, not just noise or recycled talking points, but stories that go a level deeper and ask better questions.

00:31:38.000 That's what stands out about Angel to me.

00:31:40.000 They're willing to put out films and documentaries that don't just follow the usual script, especially when it comes to politics, culture, and the bigger conversations.

00:31:48.000 You and I should be having.

00:31:49.000 So, on my watch list, you'll find picks that lean into those topics, but there are also solid options for family or just something meaningful to watch at the end of a stressful day.

00:31:58.000 If you want to check it out, go to angel.com/slash Charlie and take a look at the watch list I put together. 0.78

00:32:06.000 Not all immigration is bad, even though I'm very much pro-net zero immigration moratorium. 0.64

00:32:12.000 Because at this point, we can't get what we want. 1.00

00:32:15.000 You can't get cultures that are easily assimilable.

00:32:22.000 Because, you know, the Democrats are not going to do anything.

00:32:23.000 That being said, Blake craps on Eastern European food, and he's just completely wrong.

00:32:27.000 It's so good.

00:32:28.000 Wait, I don't even know what Eastern European food is.

00:32:30.000 Do you want to have some borscht?

00:32:32.000 Kabasa?

00:32:33.000 Borscht?

00:32:34.000 I was going to say, like.

00:32:35.000 Oh, pierogies?

00:32:35.000 Pierogies?

00:32:37.000 Oh, boy, pierogies.

00:32:38.000 You guys have.

00:32:39.000 You mean your culture has meat surrounded by some dough?

00:32:42.000 That's such a unique cultural cuisine item.

00:32:44.000 First of all, it's pierogi.

00:32:46.000 Look at Jack's face.

00:32:46.000 It's pierogi in American.

00:32:48.000 It's pierogi in Russian.

00:32:51.000 Look at Jack's face. 0.73

00:32:51.000 Face, you're weird. 0.73

00:32:53.000 I've never seen something wrong with them.

00:32:56.000 Like, what's wrong with them?

00:32:58.000 I think a lot of cultures have you know, Jack, I'm with you, bro.

00:33:05.000 They're incredible.

00:33:07.000 I think Blake has been on a jihad against Eastern European food, Slavic food, forever.

00:33:13.000 And is it poor people's food? 0.99

00:33:14.000 You bet it is.

00:33:15.000 It's definitely poor people's food.

00:33:17.000 I don't even dump on it that hard.

00:33:18.000 One of my favorite restaurants is I was in when I was in Poland and Gdansk, I went to a baked potato themed restaurant.

00:33:25.000 Bar pod riba, bar under the fish.

00:33:27.000 You remember that.

00:33:28.000 Yeah, man.

00:33:30.000 It's under the fish, man, and it's got 80 different types of baked potato.

00:33:33.000 I had two types of baked potatoes.

00:33:35.000 Oh, I see.

00:33:36.000 We're being asked to segue, and I believe our next topic does actually have something to do with food as well.

00:33:41.000 This is a good segue.

00:33:42.000 It is a very good segue.

00:33:43.000 Is that not.

00:33:44.000 I did not intend this.

00:33:46.000 This was unintentional.

00:33:48.000 Okay.

00:33:49.000 Okay.

00:33:49.000 Let's do it.

00:33:50.000 Jack, let me do this one.

00:33:51.000 Okay. 0.98

00:33:52.000 So many, many moons ago, a Polish American.

00:33:56.000 Not hyphenated, an American of Polish descent named Jack Posobiec lamented repeatedly online about the fall of a once great American institution.

00:34:11.000 And that institution used to be the gathering point of American families, rich and poor, black and white, rural and urban.

00:34:23.000 And that institution, of course, was none other than the great Pizza Hut.

00:34:27.000 Now, unfortunately, Like many institutions in American life, it fell upon hard times.

00:34:33.000 It forgot itself.

00:34:34.000 It forgot what made it great.

00:34:36.000 But out of the ashes arose one who remembered its former greatness and called upon it to rise once more, to reclaim its throne as America's gathering place where families could feel safe and play bad video games and put quarters in to beat their old records and their personal best and have those plastic cups that were red and sort of.

00:35:00.000 Sort of see through and get the crushed ice.

00:35:04.000 That's right, Pizza Hut is rising once more.

00:35:07.000 And Jack Pasobic deserves to take a very, very well deserved bow because I'm pretty sure this started with your Twitter account and an entrepreneur took hold of the vision that you set forth, Jack, and is making Pizza Hut great again.

00:35:23.000 I mean, so, I mean, it's just one of those things.

00:35:23.000 Yes.

00:35:28.000 Look, thank you.

00:35:31.000 It's just one of those things where it's like.

00:35:32.000 Credit where it's due.

00:35:34.000 You know, during COVID, I'll never forget this, man.

00:35:38.000 I had my kids and I was just like.

00:35:41.000 Let's go out to, you know, get some food.

00:35:46.000 And I was like, you know, I haven't been to Pizza Hut in forever.

00:35:49.000 And gosh, I had so many great memories of we had one within walking distance of my house where I grew up.

00:35:55.000 And I was like, I was like, you know, this is something I should repeat with my kids.

00:36:02.000 So I go in and it was a former classic Pizza Hut and it had like boxes everywhere.

00:36:09.000 It was clearly operating as just a DoorDash kind of place.

00:36:12.000 It was, I'm going to say, it was dirty.

00:36:14.000 There was like just junk all over the place.

00:36:17.000 And I went in and said, Hey, can we sit and eat here with my son?

00:36:21.000 And I think Tanya had because our other one was really little.

00:36:25.000 And I'm like, What's going on?

00:36:28.000 And they didn't even think that people could eat inside.

00:36:32.000 And it went crazy viral.

00:36:33.000 I think Elon engaged with it and some other stuff.

00:36:36.000 And for years, I've been talking about Pizza Hut nationalism, about how we just used to have these Pizza Huts that were centered around families and Pizza Huts that were centered around people getting together and having a good time.

00:36:50.000 Uh, if everyone remembers, I think it was the old Land Before Time VHS video and the Ninja Turtles VHS video that when you would get them, they would have a Pizza Hut, like a long form ad that was, you know, front loaded.

00:37:06.000 Well, we have the ads, we have ads here.

00:37:08.000 No, no, for kids in the late 80s, early 90s in particular, it was like if your parents took you to Pizza Hut, you were extraordinarily wealthy and you were like really well liked.

00:37:22.000 You did something really great in school.

00:37:24.000 It was the book.

00:37:25.000 Remember the book thing, too?

00:37:27.000 What was it?

00:37:28.000 We have it.

00:37:29.000 Like, guys, let's show some of these out.

00:37:30.000 So, let's do the book it promo first.

00:37:33.000 Let's do SOT 5.

00:37:37.000 Teaching a child to read is a gift.

00:37:43.000 The book it program from Pizza Hut encourages kids to read by giving them their favorite food, pizza.

00:37:49.000 And since 1985, we've helped over 200 million children discover the joys of reading.

00:37:56.000 Because reading is a gift that everyone should share.

00:38:04.000 Man, we saw that.

00:38:05.000 That looks pretty recent.

00:38:06.000 That doesn't even look like an 80s.

00:38:07.000 That looks like an.

00:38:08.000 No, the 90s were amazing.

00:38:09.000 Dude, that, like, the feeling of, like, getting to go to, like, because there was one thing.

00:38:15.000 There's two differences.

00:38:16.000 There was getting pizza delivered to your house, which was special.

00:38:20.000 That was cool.

00:38:21.000 That was like.

00:38:22.000 But getting to go to actual, the actual Pizza Hut and, like, Walk up to that salad bar and like get, like sit down and you get the full pizza and like the full pizza experience with that look.

00:38:34.000 Like, there's nothing else.

00:38:36.000 There's nothing better than that.

00:38:37.000 Let's show a few of the other ads.

00:38:39.000 I want to go, I want to play that ad because, like, as cool as it is, right?

00:38:43.000 It's something bigger than Pizza Hut.

00:38:45.000 It's always been a bigger thing because you're trying to hearken back to that bicentennial Americanism, that classic Americanism, family friendly, a community get together.

00:38:58.000 And the minute you turn on one of those ads, you just get that feeling.

00:39:02.000 It hits you right in the feels.

00:39:05.000 And I think there's none.

00:39:08.000 And I know you guys like to do it because it always gets me, but now I actually get to be happy because it's happening.

00:39:13.000 It's finally happening.

00:39:15.000 Let's roll it.

00:39:26.000 The game's dragging on.

00:39:28.000 There's strikes on the batter, some runners are on.

00:39:33.000 Then suddenly everyone's looking at me.

00:39:37.000 My mind has been wondering what it could be.

00:39:42.000 They point to the sky, and I look up above, and a baseball falls into my glove.

00:39:53.000 I play right field.

00:39:56.000 It's important you know.

00:39:58.000 You gotta know how to catch.

00:40:00.000 You gotta know how to throw.

00:40:02.000 That's why I play in right field.

00:40:05.000 Way out where the dandelions grow.

00:40:08.000 As a proud sponsor of Little League Baseball, Pizza Hut welcomes all the kids who make it great.

00:40:16.000 Is that Goldberg from The Mighty Duck?

00:40:18.000 Yeah, it's Goldberg.

00:40:19.000 That's Goldberg.

00:40:20.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:40:21.000 Hold on.

00:40:22.000 The catcher?

00:40:22.000 The catcher is literally Goldberg.

00:40:25.000 Like the most iconic fat kid from Fat Kid 90s movies.

00:40:32.000 I feel the need to point out that, like, did kids in your little league have uniforms that nice?

00:40:38.000 In my league, we just kind of had crappy sponsored t shirts that say, like, Bierschbach equipment and supply on it.

00:40:45.000 I think that was actually who sponsored us.

00:40:46.000 We didn't win any games, unfortunately.

00:40:49.000 I love it all.

00:40:50.000 I just, I'm getting emotional because now I got kids and I think about Little League.

00:40:56.000 Okay.

00:40:57.000 We used to have a country, guys.

00:40:58.000 We used to have a country.

00:40:59.000 This show is called Thought Crime, so I'm going to provoke all three of you guys right now.

00:41:03.000 I have a few things.

00:41:05.000 One, I feel like a lot of this stuff, even if it went away from Pizza Hut for a while, it didn't go away from America.

00:41:12.000 You can still find these things.

00:41:13.000 I don't know.

00:41:14.000 I'm drinking strong, so.

00:41:15.000 There are still pizza buffets all over.

00:41:18.000 Yeah, but the point is that there was an iconic environment that was built by Pizza Hut that every kid yearned for.

00:41:28.000 Like, if you were a normal kid, and again, the late 80s, early 90s, you wanted two things.

00:41:37.000 A Nintendo, yeah, and you wanted to go to Pizza Hut as regularly as possible.

00:41:43.000 And if your parents took you, you were like, Oh my gosh, my parents love me.

00:41:47.000 The same way that if your parents under the Christmas tree put like a Nintendo or Super Nintendo, you were like, My parents love me.

00:41:53.000 Well, okay, that's cool and all, but there are restaurants people like today as well.

00:41:57.000 There are food stores, yeah, but there's not like a.

00:42:00.000 And here's the thing, there are no factories.

00:42:01.000 I just feel like people are saying, I liked being 12.

00:42:03.000 There's no, it literally doesn't exist.

00:42:06.000 If you would have told children.

00:42:09.000 In 1992, like, where would they go?

00:42:13.000 Like, where would they, like, basically kill to go or have their parents take them?

00:42:17.000 Most of them, like, would have said it would have been an overwhelming majority would have been like, Pizza, it's so cool because of this whole book it thing, like, everything.

00:42:24.000 Kids did not love pizza because of book it.

00:42:26.000 I'm telling you, I'm telling you, people liked book it because of pizza.

00:42:29.000 How did I, like, how did we just, like, all know about it then?

00:42:33.000 I, I, so I'll be honest, I only mostly know about this from the cultural spillover.

00:42:36.000 I only think, I think I only went to Pizza Hut a couple times.

00:42:38.000 No, I like, I love getting happy meals, and I love it.

00:42:42.000 But here's the deal, I'm not going to suggest that it's.

00:42:43.000 You know, that there might be, you know, some regional differences where people weren't as into it.

00:42:47.000 Sure, that's fine.

00:42:48.000 But yeah, I mean, like, in the Dakotas, nobody had anything.

00:42:51.000 But like, everywhere.

00:42:52.000 The reality is that, like, in normal suburbia in America, there was like, you were like blessed to get a Happy Meal.

00:42:59.000 That was cool.

00:43:00.000 But what's really interesting about this cultural, iconic scene at Pizza Hut is that kids weren't getting toys and stuff.

00:43:09.000 You were just going to eat pizza as a family.

00:43:13.000 Okay.

00:43:14.000 You can still go get pizza.

00:43:15.000 You're going to lose the ability to get pizza for your family.

00:43:19.000 You have always been able to do this in the last four years.

00:43:22.000 But this is my point.

00:43:24.000 I didn't even want to.

00:43:25.000 I feel like you missed the first part of this where, like, I tried to do that and I couldn't.

00:43:29.000 And then I couldn't find a place that was even like the original Pizza Hut.

00:43:34.000 Like, that's what actually started all of this.

00:43:37.000 And now it's back.

00:43:38.000 Okay.

00:43:38.000 That's the point.

00:43:38.000 Right.

00:43:39.000 And now we're bringing it back.

00:43:40.000 Go to a CC pizza.

00:43:41.000 Oh, all right.

00:43:42.000 Well, Blake, Blake, here's the deal.

00:43:44.000 We're going to get you hooked up.

00:43:45.000 You're going to have kids and you're going to take them to these re.

00:43:48.000 And I'll go to Peter Pan Pizza or whatever we call it.

00:43:50.000 Peter Piper Pizza, something like that.

00:43:51.000 That's a pizza buffet here in Phoenix.

00:43:53.000 Peter Piper Pizza feels like.

00:43:55.000 Autism in real life.

00:43:58.000 I think autism doesn't even know it's dead.

00:44:00.000 That's hilarious.

00:44:00.000 Tyler.

00:44:01.000 It feels like physical autism around you.

00:44:04.000 If you're inside the body of autism, that's what you're.

00:44:10.000 There was a calming.

00:44:11.000 Am I right about this, Jack?

00:44:13.000 The calming experience of growing up.

00:44:15.000 You're 100% right.

00:44:15.000 Everything you're saying is exactly right.

00:44:18.000 Tyler.

00:44:18.000 I'm trying to explain it to you.

00:44:19.000 We grew up on opposite ends of the country.

00:44:21.000 We grew up on opposite ends of the country.

00:44:25.000 What you're talking about is exactly the same thing I experienced on the East Coast.

00:44:29.000 You grew up in Arizona, and yet it's the exact same feeling, the exact same childhood, and at least experience in terms of this.

00:44:36.000 And Pizza Hut was able to take that.

00:44:38.000 And I'm not saying there aren't other regional brands that have done this.

00:44:42.000 I could think of a couple on the East Coast that do kind of get there, but there's nothing as nationally iconic as the Pizza Hut.

00:44:52.000 And my point is that in Pizza Hut as a national chain, you can actually see the slip.

00:44:57.000 Between a place that was a family restaurant in its heyday that moved to the sort of like go go, hey, just pick up your pizza and leave sort of place, as uh, McDonald's, by the way, has you know fewer and fewer uh playgrounds, as is another sort of example of what we're talking about here because because they're just not designed for families anymore.

00:45:19.000 No, but the average American family doesn't feel safe in them because you have a bunch of weirdos hanging out at McDonald's now, like I think, and I bet it's probably insurance stuff, but that's the point, like McDonald's, like.

00:45:29.000 Again, it was like exciting to go.

00:45:31.000 Playplace was dirty and grimy. 0.97

00:45:33.000 It was disgusting. 0.98

00:45:34.000 Like, there's like loose diapers floating around.

00:45:36.000 You always got hurt on the metal bars.

00:45:37.000 It was just disgusting.

00:45:38.000 Like, and you got to go, like, get a Happy Meal, whatever.

00:45:41.000 Like, and as a toy.

00:45:42.000 And like, that was.

00:45:43.000 Can we get a picture of like the old McDonald's playground?

00:45:46.000 The really special part about Pizza Hut that was interesting was that to this point, there was nothing flashy.

00:45:55.000 It wasn't like cheap dopamine stuff.

00:45:59.000 It was, you went and it was the family experience.

00:46:03.000 And it was like you got to hold a plate as a kid, walk up to the salad bar, get what kind of whatever you wanted.

00:46:09.000 You sat down, they brought you the pizza as a family, you're there, and it's this calming vibe.

00:46:15.000 And it was like you spent time there, like it wasn't like you're in and out, rushing in and out.

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00:47:47.000 I mean, but how much of this is legitimately back to our first conversation, like immigration?

00:47:52.000 Like, I'll just thought crime it. 0.62

00:47:54.000 Okay, so an average white family in 1980 would go to a 90% white neighborhood, McDonald's, poor people, rich people, but they shared the same culture. 0.52

00:48:04.000 And they would go in and it felt like you were next to your neighbor.

00:48:07.000 And now you go there and it's like you've got people you don't relate to.

00:48:11.000 They don't share a culture.

00:48:13.000 Some of them are like, make you feel unsafe.

00:48:17.000 And it just kind of loses its luster.

00:48:18.000 You see this with public parks.

00:48:19.000 This is what I'm going to say. 0.79

00:48:21.000 I think some of this is, I'll be honest, I think it's on white people.

00:48:24.000 Because first of all, you say it feels unsafe.

00:48:26.000 America was way more unsafe in the 80s.

00:48:29.000 1980s, like the period we're remembering, is peak murder wave America.

00:48:33.000 Part of its vibes.

00:48:34.000 America now is super.

00:48:35.000 Yeah, that's how you feel.

00:48:36.000 But get over it.

00:48:37.000 Like, what else is.

00:48:42.000 I think a lot of people are.

00:48:44.000 I think we have helicopter paranoid.

00:48:46.000 I think a lot of people are paranoid.

00:48:47.000 I think they've trained themselves to be paranoid and to be downbeat.

00:48:52.000 And I also think a lot of this is also.

00:48:54.000 I think white people have elevated their expectations for food, so they feel. 0.53

00:49:01.000 Irresponsible taking their kids to a bunch of junk food. 0.98

00:49:05.000 You know a giant junk food buffet.

00:49:06.000 Like oh, should I actually feed my kids a ton of pizza at a buffet?

00:49:10.000 They'll feel we do.

00:49:11.000 We take our kids like parties all the time at, like these uh, trampoline parks, but that's also the whole Maha movement is about that which, which also literally the whole Maha movement is about.

00:49:19.000 This trampoline park is a massive political movement, all like literally dedicated to this question.

00:49:23.000 The the real life autism thing though, is like, what's your trampoline parks feel?

00:49:27.000 Like what?

00:49:29.000 What do you mean by real life autism?

00:49:30.000 What's not?

00:49:30.000 Everything's like all the sensory stuff is like, oh yeah, It's like kids everywhere.

00:49:36.000 It smells like it's disgusting.

00:49:38.000 Like it's dirty.

00:49:39.000 My kids love it because they're kids.

00:49:41.000 No, I know.

00:49:42.000 Like the same way that we love it.

00:49:43.000 Like it's a smell place. 0.89

00:49:44.000 It's dirty.

00:49:45.000 I don't think Pizza Hut had like, you know, like garbage, like dirt and grime everywhere in the 80s.

00:49:52.000 80s was a pretty dirty, grimy time.

00:49:53.000 But the point is, it's like I just threw in the chat, is like there was a totally different vibe to this.

00:49:58.000 The point is, the kids like this.

00:49:59.000 I think the vibe was just that you yourself were like eight.

00:50:03.000 No, like eight.

00:50:03.000 Thousands of people.

00:50:04.000 There's probably a little bit of both going on.

00:50:06.000 But my point is, it's like.

00:50:07.000 The kids still like the sensory overload stuff that still exists.

00:50:11.000 It just looks different now.

00:50:13.000 Like, you have like, yeah, what I was gonna say is, we would do pizza parties.

00:50:17.000 So, when we do a birthday party at a trampoline park, right, they have a venue where like a person comes in, they light a cake, they cut the cake, they serve the cake to the kids, and then when they have usually served pizza.

00:50:27.000 So, it's not Pizza Hut, but you know, the Pizza Hut of the 90s was like, again, it was the vibe, it was different.

00:50:35.000 Like, kids wanted it, but the fact I'm saying it's just weird that kids wanted it.

00:50:39.000 Here we go.

00:50:39.000 We don't have to play this whole thing, but.

00:50:42.000 I feel like we're missing a big chunk of this conversation because this is what the guy did to fulfill Jack's vision.

00:50:49.000 A classic vision.

00:50:50.000 Maybe we don't have it loaded yet.

00:50:51.000 Do we have it loaded?

00:50:52.000 But I wanted to make sure we actually played the story because this guy's been putting this out there.

00:50:58.000 I think he's at like 80 locations, these Pizza Huts again.

00:51:02.000 Is it loaded, guys?

00:51:03.000 I'm sorry if it's not.

00:51:06.000 I have a second video I just dropped into.

00:51:08.000 Loaded.

00:51:09.000 Okay, 37.

00:51:10.000 You don't have to play the whole thing.

00:51:12.000 Go ahead, 37.

00:51:13.000 You miss it at night when you're in the hills of Tucanec, Pennsylvania.

00:51:16.000 A familiar red roof catches the eye.

00:51:18.000 Inside, the vinyl booths, Tiffany style lamps, and yes, the salad bar you may remember from decades ago.

00:51:26.000 I mean, it's amazing the comments we have about they have the red cups.

00:51:31.000 Yes, we do.

00:51:32.000 Tim Sparks got his start working at a Pizza Hut that looked like this.

00:51:36.000 He's now president of Dayland Corporation, which owns this franchise and more than 80 others around the country.

00:51:42.000 They've redecorated many restaurants to rewind the clock.

00:51:45.000 It looks exactly like the one that I remember from when I was a kid.

00:51:49.000 Yeah, that's what we were after.

00:51:50.000 Some Pizza Hut classics are now top performing locations.

00:51:54.000 Customers show up for a piece of their childhood.

00:51:57.000 It's to bring back memories.

00:51:59.000 To share with their own kids.

00:52:00.000 When you finally find something that tastes how you genuinely remember it tasting, like you can't let it go.

00:52:08.000 People come from two and three hours away, and I'm not making that up.

00:52:11.000 More restaurants are serving up nostalgia.

00:52:13.000 Franchises like Burger King and KFC return to old school logos and packaging in recent years.

00:52:19.000 At Pizza Hut, they even brought back.

00:52:21.000 Pac Man.

00:52:22.000 But for Sparks, this is much more than a game.

00:52:26.000 It's a mission to rebuild places where families can connect.

00:52:30.000 If we could get them in here as a family, they do tend to put their phones down and actually have conversations and speak with each other.

00:52:37.000 I'm not going to tell you I know how to fix the world, but I do think that family is a good place to start.

00:52:43.000 He hopes to renovate more of his restaurants as long as he can find enough of those lamps.

00:52:47.000 They're hard to get.

00:52:48.000 Yeah, they're almost impossible to get.

00:52:51.000 A familiar taste.

00:52:52.000 Well, cheers.

00:52:53.000 Cheers, bro.

00:52:54.000 Bringing people together.

00:52:55.000 Just like I remember it.

00:52:56.000 Again, Bradley Blackburn, CBS News, Tunkanic, Pennsylvania.

00:53:02.000 Yeah, that's like lost technology.

00:53:04.000 Like, oh, we can't make this.

00:53:06.000 Gotta go to China to get the.

00:53:07.000 We probably would. 0.94

00:53:08.000 You probably would have to go to China to remake them from scratch.

00:53:10.000 But I love that guy's whole vibe.

00:53:12.000 He's like, I don't know much and I don't know how to fix everything, but fam is beautiful.

00:53:15.000 I like it, but it does stand out.

00:53:17.000 This guy's a genius.

00:53:18.000 The people they show, they're saying, oh, it's a piece of my childhood.

00:53:22.000 I want to revisit that.

00:53:24.000 That's okay, that's cool, but you know what's up.

00:53:26.000 Wait, time out, these are in Pennsylvania.

00:53:28.000 So, Jack, you get to go to these, yeah?

00:53:30.000 Have you been to one, Jack?

00:53:32.000 Uh, they are not in my corner of Pennsylvania, these are at like central PA.

00:53:37.000 So, we haven't been to one yet.

00:53:40.000 What are you waiting on, dude?

00:53:41.000 Okay, let's hold on.

00:53:41.000 Where it's no, because it's, it's, I would have to be one of those far away in two, three hours.

00:53:46.000 Tung Canuck, okay, you have to drive three hours, okay.

00:53:48.000 Um, so it's like normal, but like, okay, so I'm a Dodger fan, everybody hates on me for okay, whatever.

00:53:55.000 You know what upsets me though, and they talked about this, how like.

00:53:58.000 Burger King's going back to old logos.

00:53:59.000 KFC's going back to old logos. 0.63

00:54:01.000 For the love of God, baseball, stop doing this like University of Oregon garbage where you're like changing up your jersey all the time.

00:54:10.000 Give me the iconic, like the old school.

00:54:13.000 You know, you saw it with the little league thing.

00:54:14.000 They were the old school baseball jerseys.

00:54:17.000 They look great.

00:54:17.000 You know, the Eagles and the Phillies have been doing it.

00:54:19.000 The Eagles and Phillies have been bringing back the classic jerseys, and it's amazing.

00:54:23.000 So much better.

00:54:25.000 So good.

00:54:27.000 So much better.

00:54:27.000 Anyways, that's just like a solid.

00:54:28.000 I think we have 37.

00:54:30.000 Just shows you the walkthrough of the.

00:54:32.000 The Pizza Hut Classic.

00:54:33.000 All right.

00:54:33.000 Wait, I thought you wanted the playgrounds from McDonald's.

00:54:38.000 Oh, no.

00:54:38.000 It's 37.

00:54:39.000 Yeah, this is the walkthrough.

00:54:41.000 This is the guy.

00:54:42.000 Yeah.

00:54:43.000 I mean, guys, and again, nighttime, it's a totally different vibe.

00:54:46.000 Like the lamp, those lamps at night.

00:54:49.000 Oh, yeah.

00:54:51.000 Caboose is just like nostalgia baiting everybody.

00:54:54.000 Like, it's true.

00:54:55.000 We are.

00:54:56.000 I was joking.

00:54:57.000 When I put this up the first time, I even pointed out that they should really nostalgia bait these for.

00:55:03.000 For like elder millennial Gen Y parents, but even like, you know, working in for like the TikTok generation.

00:55:09.000 So you should set up like old TVs and have like the Land Before Time playing and stuff like that throughout the theater, throughout the places.

00:55:17.000 What's so funny about this, you know, just like go lean in and absolutely embrace all of it.

00:55:24.000 What's funny about this is, in some sense, it's actually the opposite of making it more, I don't want to say the opposite, but it's not quite related to making it more pro family.

00:55:34.000 Because if you're deliberately nostalgia baiting millennials, you're basically saying we're aiming this kind of at, you're actually kind of saying I'm aiming this at childless millennials in their 30s and 40s.

00:55:47.000 Because parents go where their kids want to go.

00:55:51.000 No, no, no.

00:55:52.000 No, parents.

00:55:53.000 Pizza Hut in the 80s was designed to appeal to children in the 80s.

00:55:57.000 Now it's designed to appeal to people who were children in the 80s.

00:56:01.000 Parents have a combination of appeasing their children with happiness.

00:56:05.000 It won't work if you don't have kids.

00:56:06.000 No, but appeasing your children with what they want and then showing kids what you like.

00:56:15.000 Parents, part of the reason why, I totally agree, there's a totally weird Disney adult thing that exists.

00:56:21.000 There's a certain, and there's people who will show up to this because of that, but there's also a huge base of consumers that want to show their kids like their experiences.

00:56:33.000 They do, although, but a big portion, I think that an underrepresented portion of Disneyland is parents forcing their kids to go on rides they liked when they were a kid young.

00:56:43.000 Like, I make my kids go to the tiki room every time.

00:56:47.000 And I want to say, is it one of the most boring things at Disneyland?

00:56:50.000 Yeah, but I like the tiki room because my dad liked the tiki room.

00:56:54.000 Crazy.

00:56:54.000 This is like my dad making me listen to my mom.

00:56:56.000 Tyler, do you like going in the tiki, room?

00:57:00.000 Every time.

00:57:01.000 Without a doubt.

00:57:02.000 You do not go to Disneyland without going on the boring old rides.

00:57:06.000 This last time, the historic stuff.

00:57:10.000 My kids have been like, we want to go to IHOP, IHOP.

00:57:13.000 It's the strangest thing.

00:57:14.000 And I'm like, why do you want to go?

00:57:15.000 No, we can't go to IHOP.

00:57:17.000 It's 8 at night.

00:57:18.000 We're not going to.

00:57:18.000 And they're like, they're obsessed with the idea that something is open 24 7.

00:57:23.000 That's all it is.

00:57:24.000 They don't want the funniest face.

00:57:25.000 We lost a lot of that during COVID.

00:57:26.000 We lost a lot of 24 7 operations.

00:57:28.000 That's true. 0.69

00:57:29.000 Here, play the play the you asked for it, Jack.

00:57:32.000 They put it together the playground at McDonald's, the old school playground.

00:57:35.000 So, play some.

00:57:35.000 Oh, I just wanted a picture.

00:57:37.000 Oh, they got they put together a whole B roll thing of it.

00:57:40.000 No, that's not the old one.

00:57:41.000 That's the old one.

00:57:42.000 That's old.

00:57:43.000 Yeah.

00:57:44.000 Yeah. 0.53

00:57:44.000 With the with the hamburglar jail. 0.53

00:57:46.000 Yeah.

00:57:48.000 That was like I distinctly remember crawling around in that thing.

00:57:51.000 Another thing I'll say one reason some of the stuff has gone in decline is there's like cooler versions of it.

00:57:56.000 Like we have that, like that Andretti.

00:57:59.000 Adventure stuff or whatever on the fringes of town here.

00:58:02.000 Like you can go to like race cars.

00:58:03.000 Yeah, it's like big deluxe go karting and virtual reality stuff.

00:58:07.000 Like that stuff is way cooler.

00:58:10.000 Yeah, it is actually.

00:58:11.000 Like we used to know it used to be cool actual reality.

00:58:15.000 No, no, these are actual go karts that you're racing and they're like e karts now.

00:58:20.000 So they're not even loud and they go really fast.

00:58:23.000 So we did one of those.

00:58:25.000 Trampoline parks are also, like I said, there's this place called Slick City in town that's like these.

00:58:29.000 Like a new thing that wasn't around, where you get on a mat and you go down these really cool slides.

00:58:35.000 That is legitimately cooler than what we had.

00:58:37.000 Yeah.

00:58:38.000 So there is a point to be made.

00:58:39.000 I think people, I get why people miss this sort of thing.

00:58:43.000 It's a lot of us miss things from our childhood.

00:58:46.000 What I will note is you can tell this is a somewhat universal thing because I am now seeing young millennials, old Gen Z, who have nostalgia for things from the early 2000s that I know were terrible.

00:58:59.000 So, but what is driving the nostalgia?

00:59:01.000 That's the question.

00:59:01.000 That's the thing.

00:59:03.000 I think it's a natural feeling.

00:59:04.000 It's the same thing as the Bicentennial versus 250th.

00:59:07.000 It's the same thing.

00:59:08.000 I think people miss things for the exact dynamic.

00:59:11.000 Then there's a market for that.

00:59:12.000 In fact, an interesting thing is it varies over time, too.

00:59:15.000 I have strong memories of like when I was in my early 20s, just out of college, I would experience nostalgia feelings all the time for stuff from my childhood.

00:59:26.000 And I think it's like it's probably mingled with maybe the amount of change that comes from living independently for the first time.

00:59:33.000 You've moved out of home, you're experiencing life in a new way for the first time.

00:59:37.000 It's mildly depressing to do this.

00:59:39.000 You might be homesick if you've moved across the country.

00:59:41.000 All of this comes together.

00:59:43.000 And this manifested in weird ways, like I was collecting Super Nintendo games because I had nostalgia for that sort of thing.

00:59:47.000 And what I will note is, I don't.

00:59:49.000 Dislike those things from my childhood, but I don't have nearly as much nostalgia for them either.

00:59:55.000 Where, because you know, nostalgia, it's mingled with depression.

00:59:59.000 That's what, you know, we're never saying we used to have a country.

01:00:01.000 Everyone's sad about not having this thing anymore.

01:00:04.000 And I think that's even what the word itself comes from.

01:00:06.000 It's like a combination of like memory and sorrow, something like that.

01:00:12.000 And I just think you actually, as you age, you do age out of these things or you hopefully outgrow these things and you can love things from your past, but also love things from the present and have more perspective on stuff.

01:00:24.000 I'm going to say that all because I can back on that a little bit because you do also have such a thing as tradition, right?

01:00:31.000 And this is where Lindy Man comes in and the concept of Lindy that some things are fads, to be sure.

01:00:38.000 Like, I don't have nostalgia for like Pogs, you know, or like Alf, or, you know, what was that one that one showed like the Herman and the alien thing?

01:00:50.000 My favorite, Marsha.

01:00:52.000 Tiny was into that.

01:00:54.000 But there are certain things that do become traditions, and traditions do become something that you can hand down.

01:01:01.000 And baseball, no, no, it wasn't Al, it was a different one.

01:01:07.000 And so, like, Little League Baseball is a huge one of those where I haven't really been following baseball for years, but now my kids are into it and they love playing Little League Baseball.

01:01:18.000 And it's like, oh, so we're a baseball family all over again.

01:01:22.000 And they're like begging me to take them to games and all sorts of things.

01:01:26.000 And it's like that.

01:01:27.000 I don't just have nostalgia for my memories of it.

01:01:31.000 It's like that's a tradition that I had, that my dad had, and all my kids have.

01:01:35.000 So there's a Bible verse that's interesting Ecclesiastes 7 10.

01:01:40.000 And it goes like this Say not, why were the former days better than these?

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01:02:55.000 So, one thing I wanted to bring up was this commercial.

01:02:59.000 Do we have it ready?

01:03:02.000 Do we have it?

01:03:03.000 Not yet?

01:03:04.000 Okay, never mind.

01:03:07.000 All right.

01:03:07.000 And we have other Pizza Hut commercials.

01:03:10.000 I do want to get this.

01:03:21.000 But, They wouldn't be making all of these Pizza Huts, the Pizza Hut classics again, because that shows that there isn't an alternative.

01:03:48.000 But also, when you go to countries in Eastern Europe, like Hungary, like Poland, and even just European airports in general, you find them to be very, very much more family friendly and family oriented.

01:04:02.000 There's kids' stuff everywhere.

01:04:04.000 There's so many outlets for kids.

01:04:07.000 You go to a nice restaurant in Poland and they have a kids' area right at the front and they say, Hey, drop your kids off here.

01:04:13.000 Mom and dad, you can go and sit down and have a nice dinner.

01:04:17.000 They're specialized in that.

01:04:19.000 So, for example, I went from LA to Santa Barbara.

01:04:22.000 LA was terrible for kids, just terrible.

01:04:25.000 Santa Barbara, much better, much more kid friendly.

01:04:27.000 And then we went from Santa Barbara to Phoenix, and I would say Phoenix is even better still.

01:04:31.000 There's tons of kids' options in Phoenix for all this stuff.

01:04:35.000 You can go to a gym and they have kid childcare.

01:04:37.000 You can go to a restaurant.

01:04:38.000 But did you have kid options like Clip 40?

01:04:43.000 Run and swing here?

01:04:47.000 I don't think so!

01:04:49.000 Climb and slide here?

01:04:53.000 I don't think so!

01:04:55.000 Then where?

01:04:55.000 I'm going to DC at Discovery Zone, where I can cut loose and be on my own!

01:05:01.000 DC's made Josh for me, a place where I can really cut loose.

01:05:05.000 It's all here!

01:05:06.000 Jump and tumble here?

01:05:09.000 I'm going to DC at Discovery Zone, where kids wanna be!

01:05:09.000 I don't think so!

01:05:13.000 DZ.

01:05:14.000 Yes, we have.

01:05:14.000 What kids want to be.

01:05:16.000 So, by the way, those places.

01:05:17.000 Wait, wait, hold on.

01:05:18.000 Those places are coming back.

01:05:20.000 There's a bunch of chains that are very similar to Discovery Zone now.

01:05:23.000 Discovery Zone was a kingdom, and it was the only thing that existed, and you got in there, and there was endless tunnels.

01:05:30.000 How long do you think?

01:05:31.000 McDonald's were like small, cheaper versions of it.

01:05:33.000 How long do you think Discovery Zone existed?

01:05:36.000 Like five years.

01:05:37.000 Yeah, actually, it was 10 years, but yeah, it was not.

01:05:39.000 It was like nothing.

01:05:40.000 It was also.

01:05:40.000 They went out of business.

01:05:41.000 But there's a lot of places.

01:05:42.000 And a prominent investor was actually.

01:05:44.000 This is an amazing way to segue to our next topic because a prominent investor was tennis star Billie Jean King.

01:05:51.000 Was it really?

01:05:51.000 How does that segue to our next topic?

01:05:53.000 Because she's a feminist icon for her fake tennis match against that one drunk male tennis player that she beat. 1.00

01:06:00.000 And it proved that women could be as good as men if you ignore the fact that she was the number one tennis player in the world and the guy was like the 400th best tennis player in the world and was smoking and drinking and was also basically paid to throw the match anyway.

01:06:12.000 Was he really?

01:06:13.000 I love it.

01:06:13.000 Yeah.

01:06:14.000 And that we had a real match between Venus and Serena Williams and.

01:06:19.000 Male tennis player who was actually trying, who was ranked like 200th, and he absolutely annihilated them.

01:06:24.000 Of course, he did.

01:06:25.000 True story. 0.99

01:06:25.000 But anyway, that all brings us into feminist icon, Alex Cooper. 0.99

01:06:29.000 So you're going to have to explain who Alex Cooper is for those of us who. 1.00

01:06:33.000 She's a podcaster. 0.95

01:06:34.000 She's a provocateur. 1.00

01:06:35.000 She says raunchy things. 1.00

01:06:37.000 She has a body count that would make Genghis Khan jealous. 1.00

01:06:42.000 Whoa. 0.68

01:06:43.000 She is Alex Cooper, host of the Call Her Daddies podcast.

01:06:49.000 Which, like Kamala Harris said.

01:06:50.000 That's all I know.

01:06:51.000 I just want to correct the record.

01:06:53.000 I Googled it. 0.98

01:06:54.000 She allegedly said that her body count is only eight.

01:06:56.000 So, whoa.

01:06:57.000 It's not Genghis Khan.

01:06:58.000 Allegedly.

01:07:00.000 She's pregnant, expecting first baby. 0.98

01:07:00.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:07:02.000 Yeah, Taylor Swift, too.

01:07:03.000 Kaplan.

01:07:04.000 Whose daddy is it?

01:07:05.000 Why are we calling someone's dad?

01:07:06.000 Is it her daddy that we're calling her?

01:07:08.000 That's her podcast.

01:07:08.000 But what does that mean?

01:07:10.000 Call her daddy?

01:07:11.000 It just took off.

01:07:12.000 Do you call someone's dad in the podcast?

01:07:12.000 I don't know.

01:07:14.000 Why did she name her podcast Call Her Daddy?

01:07:16.000 She was a.

01:07:18.000 She started on YouTube.

01:07:20.000 She had a really popular YouTube that took off.

01:07:23.000 Dave Portnoy found her.

01:07:26.000 He basically gave her the opportunity to launch her podcast career on his network.

01:07:35.000 And they had a falling out.

01:07:36.000 So she had a co host that was on there.

01:07:39.000 They had a huge falling out.

01:07:42.000 And she went and launched her own podcast on her own thing.

01:07:45.000 Apparently, she has made a zillion dollars.

01:07:49.000 It's apparently called Call Her Daddy because it comes from the PG 13 warning here that men will say, Call me daddy to assert dominance over women.

01:07:58.000 And it flips the dynamic. 0.51

01:07:59.000 So there's a trans subplot to this. 0.91

01:08:02.000 The idea is that we have to call her, the woman, daddy because she is the one in control of her relationships. 0.92

01:08:09.000 So it's right there, like a female dominance kind of. 0.99

01:08:09.000 Right. 0.99

01:08:14.000 Mindset.

01:08:15.000 And funny enough, to what Tyler is saying, I think it was the original co host that came up with the phrasing of that, whereas Alex Cooper wanted it to say, call him daddy.

01:08:26.000 Okay. 0.99

01:08:29.000 So it's just girl bossing. 1.00

01:08:30.000 Girl bossing in my bedroom.

01:08:32.000 So basically, it's like, you know, I think there's like the three headed horsemen or whatever.

01:08:38.000 What is it?

01:08:40.000 It's the three horsemen of the apocalypse.

01:08:42.000 So we're going to talk about the three horsemen of the apocalypse.

01:08:45.000 There were four horsemen, though.

01:08:46.000 Four horsemen.

01:08:46.000 There.

01:08:47.000 It's even better because I'm always struggling to get.

01:08:48.000 Three.

01:08:49.000 Four horsemen of the apocalypse. 0.92

01:08:51.000 It's like wokeism, mass immigration, feminism is definitely on there, and now we got the Islamification of America. 0.85

01:09:00.000 Those are my four. 0.95

01:09:02.000 You could substitute one of those. 0.93

01:09:04.000 I feel really strongly about feminism being one of the truly corrosive elements that exist and are propagated and celebrated in Western civilization, Western culture, especially America. 0.73

01:09:15.000 So this is a fun topic for me because I find her particularly galling. 1.00

01:09:19.000 But now she's pregnant. 1.00

01:09:20.000 Yes, she's pregnant and married. 1.00

01:09:22.000 Yeah, so what do we do with that?

01:09:23.000 Do we celebrate it?

01:09:25.000 Do we?

01:09:27.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:09:28.000 I tend to like, listen, a lot of people are like, well, this is perfect for high status women because they get to go have their raunchy podcast and lead everybody astray. 1.00

01:09:38.000 And then they get to hold out even as they get into older years. 1.00

01:09:42.000 I don't know how old she is. 0.98

01:09:44.000 Is she in her early 30s, I would presume? 0.99

01:09:46.000 Something like that. 1.00

01:09:49.000 And they get to have their cake and eat it too while they let all their peons astray. 1.00

01:09:54.000 Telling them to girl boss.

01:09:56.000 And so some people are upset about this.

01:09:58.000 Some people are celebrating it.

01:09:59.000 I like to think Charlie would probably celebrate it because he did that with Taylor Swift.

01:10:03.000 He's like, God bless you, Taylor.

01:10:04.000 I hope that your marriage to Travis Kelsey makes you happy and more conservative. 0.84

01:10:09.000 Well, so the reason people are worried about this and it's getting discussed is that she has definitely pushed this big female empowerment narrative. 0.56

01:10:18.000 And I think that is actually what does make her a little different from Taylor Swift.

01:10:22.000 Taylor Swift, she was actually kind of.

01:10:24.000 Even though she had a large number of famous boyfriends, she was kind of trad in her orientation.

01:10:31.000 She makes songs about falling in love forever and wanting to be with someone forever.

01:10:36.000 And she's always been chasing that and finally got it.

01:10:39.000 Whereas Cooper is, it's often a Ronaldo podcast that is about sex stuff, it's about jumping from relationship to relationship.

01:10:50.000 And the idea is that she is pulling the successful Houdini act of being.

01:10:56.000 Allegedly, you know, you thought she had a Genghis Khan like number throughout her 20s.

01:11:00.000 And then she hits 30.

01:11:02.000 She's 31 right now.

01:11:04.000 Yeah.

01:11:04.000 She hits 30 and then suddenly says, Oh, well, I want to settle down.

01:11:07.000 Immediately does land a relatively appealing, attractive husband, has kids, and that this is going to lead a large number of women astray to think, I can copy this same life script. 0.97

01:11:19.000 And if you're not carrying a $60 million Spotify deal, it's less likely to work out for you.

01:11:26.000 It's a total rug pull.

01:11:28.000 It's a total rug pull to her audience, the same way as if she had done one of those meme coin scams. 0.99

01:11:34.000 She runs this podcast all about having free sex. 0.99

01:11:38.000 And go do whatever, and let's talk about all the sex he had. 0.99

01:11:42.000 Are you calling this the pump and dump? 0.99

01:11:45.000 I am.

01:11:45.000 It's a total pump and dump.

01:11:46.000 It's an Alex Cooper pump and dump where she's come in and she's making money, and it's consistently rated, I think, one of the highest podcasts out there. 0.71

01:11:55.000 And she presented by Sparkling Ice, and it's like, you know, got mainstream, you know, backing because we just put lust and fornication everywhere these days, and yet she doesn't actually do it herself.

01:12:10.000 So she's preaching this to everybody while also, you know, not following the lifestyle that she is popularizing.

01:12:18.000 And that's why it's a scam.

01:12:19.000 And that's why I think it's just not. 0.99

01:12:20.000 She didn't practice what she preached.

01:12:22.000 But is it?

01:12:23.000 I just want to insert this.

01:12:24.000 Caller Daddy was ranked the second most popular podcast in Spotify from 21 to 24.

01:12:31.000 It's pretty big behind Rogan, of course. 0.68

01:12:33.000 Did she drug pool or did she not?

01:12:34.000 I don't follow her. 0.99

01:12:35.000 I feel. 0.55

01:12:36.000 Did she say, like, you can only get married if the guy submits to you and is a.

01:12:42.000 At nine or a 10 or above, and has his own career.

01:12:46.000 And so, I'm just asking the question: did she rug pull? 0.92

01:12:50.000 Did she pump and dump? 0.79

01:12:51.000 Or is this like, well, so, and this here's the thought crime: here's the thought crime, right?

01:12:55.000 And I saw some people, I forget the original post was when we were chatting about it, maybe I can find it, but the original one was saying that here's the issue: is that this advice works if you are a nine or a 10, but if you're like a five or a six, if you're a mid, then this is actually like the worst.

01:13:13.000 Possible advice for you, and you're just leading all these people astray.

01:13:18.000 And here they are listening to your podcast, thinking that it's going to work.

01:13:21.000 But those are the ones who are going to find themselves hitting, you know, mid 30s to late 30s to 40s, saying, Hey, wait a minute, you know, why isn't anyone calling me daddy?

01:13:33.000 And suddenly the guys in their peer, you know, her age range are all going to be going for Zoomers.

01:13:39.000 They're going to be dating girls that are like in their 20s because they're not interested.

01:13:43.000 So it doesn't actually work.

01:13:45.000 And yes, actually, Like we were talking about, you know, male status earlier, female status does exist.

01:13:51.000 Pretty privilege is real, it's just real.

01:13:55.000 And that is the thought, crying, ladies and gentlemen.

01:13:58.000 So I'm looking it up, Jack.

01:14:00.000 It says, so I just asked AIs, and it says, yes, Alex Cooper has frequently downplayed or expressed ambivalence about marriage and children in the past, particularly in her 20s and early podcast years, while heavily promoting hookup culture, casual sex, and prioritizing career fun over traditional milestones.

01:14:18.000 Well, I'm going to want citations, though, because.

01:14:21.000 She says they have them right now. 0.96

01:14:23.000 Oh, it was Gina Floreau.

01:14:24.000 Gina Floreau had the original one, by the way.

01:14:26.000 Her Instagram, her TikTok.

01:14:28.000 Gina Floreau. 0.77

01:14:30.000 She commonly said online that she would never get married.

01:14:34.000 So, part of the reason why people have lost their minds on this is she had said numerous times that she would never get married and then now feels this way.

01:14:44.000 Yeah, she said she couldn't fathom motherhood in her 20s.

01:14:48.000 This is what Jack's.

01:14:49.000 Point might maybe is like more hinging on.

01:14:51.000 She said her podcast built a brand around sexually explicit content, advice like use him before he uses you, don't catch feelings, embracing casual hookups and viewing relationships as a chaotic roller coaster, quote unquote, without long term commitments.

01:15:09.000 This resonated with and influenced many young female listeners in their teens and 20s.

01:15:14.000 Then she talked about shifting views later.

01:15:19.000 For example, developing baby fever in recent years after meeting her husband, Matt Kaplan, and episodes where she discussed.

01:15:26.000 Discusses timelines for marriages and kids with him, but early content lead heavily into anti settling down vibes.

01:15:33.000 So they got married in 2024 around age 29 or 30, can't decide, and recently announced their first pregnancy as of May. 0.89

01:15:41.000 Yeah, I really don't think this is a rug pull. 0.99

01:15:43.000 I think this is actually the peak of feminist propaganda, radical feminist propaganda, because it's totally that it's always her maximum autonomy. 1.00

01:15:53.000 She can be against it in her 20s, and then she can just change her mind later in her life, and she's able to. 1.00

01:16:00.000 Again, pull the Houdini act of gets married, has kids, and can pivot in her life trajectory.

01:16:05.000 And in real life, as we know, because I mean, Charlie talked about this all the time going on campus.

01:16:11.000 In real life, for a lot of people, if you want to get married, especially as a woman, it has to be a priority early on.

01:16:17.000 You have to build and take steps towards that right away.

01:16:20.000 And if you think I'm going to build my career until my early 30s and then start focusing on this, there's example after example where it's gone really badly.

01:16:29.000 They've been unable to find someone.

01:16:31.000 You might not be able to have.

01:16:32.000 Baby, yeah, exactly.

01:16:33.000 You might be too late.

01:16:34.000 What was the line? 0.89

01:16:35.000 It was, um, it was, uh, you know, you shouldn't, you more, more women shouldn't be pursuing their PhD, they should be pursuing their MRS. He was a big, big believer in the MRS degree.

01:16:45.000 MRS degrees are good, the MRS degree, yeah, yeah, such a good line.

01:16:50.000 You know, speaking of which, that is interesting because there is a stat that says that 62% of all degrees now are going to women, uh, which is 62% to two thirds.

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01:19:22.000 Before we jump into this, we got two donation messages I want to hit because Kyrie donated $5 and said Christian families need to be having lots of children and teaching them the values and blessings of the Bible. 0.97

01:19:32.000 That is how we combat these insanities.

01:19:34.000 And Zuzu chimed in again and she said Alex Cooper should bring her husband and kids to Pizza Hut.

01:19:40.000 Well, exactly.

01:19:41.000 That is a good point, Zuzu.

01:19:43.000 I'm going to say this, though.

01:19:45.000 Most famous marriages, like people who are famous, they're largely business relationships.

01:19:52.000 And again, I know a lot of people say that, whatever.

01:19:55.000 Like, people have made that.

01:19:58.000 And I'm not saying that I don't hope that she's not in love and that she doesn't have kids and, like, yeah, slows down and, like, wants to just spend time with her kids and all of that.

01:20:06.000 I hope that that's the case with Alex Cooper.

01:20:08.000 The reality is that I actually feel bad for a lot of these famous couples because their kids usually take the brunt of it.

01:20:16.000 And this is why I think a lot of kids that come from famous couples end up so screwed up.

01:20:21.000 And you'll see this some famous people will take a step back from the spotlight.

01:20:26.000 And they'll raise their kids and they'll stop and they'll slow down and they'll like focus on, you know, motherhood or fatherhood or whatever, right?

01:20:34.000 Sometimes that's not the case.

01:20:36.000 I mean, we'll see like what happens with Alex Cooper.

01:20:36.000 I just don't know.

01:20:39.000 But I think the point is, is like she's not living in the same, on the same planet that most of us are living.

01:20:44.000 So Jack's point is, I think, pretty well made where he said this script, this life script will work for nines and tens, maybe sevens and eights too.

01:20:52.000 But if you are maybe not so attractive and you get into your 30s and you're not so rich and successful, I don't think you have nearly as many options as Alex Cooper.

01:21:01.000 And so she is selling a bad vision of reality, of what's lived reality and experience.

01:21:08.000 But the upside here, if my glass can be half full, I can be honest about the fact that I think this is a terrible life script to sell to young women. 0.54

01:21:17.000 But she's got this huge audience by being authentic and being raunchy and being real and saying it out loud, saying it like it really is or whatever.

01:21:26.000 Well, they're also hearing her go through this evolution of getting baby fever, getting married.

01:21:32.000 And so the upshot is, Maybe she's got millions of fans that are like, oh, now I want to get married too.

01:21:37.000 All right.

01:21:37.000 So, okay.

01:21:38.000 Hopefully, they can skip the premarital sex stuff. 0.98

01:21:40.000 I agree with our listener that was like, we need Christians to have lots of babies. 1.00

01:21:44.000 Completely agree with that. 1.00

01:21:46.000 We're going to outbreed them, folks.

01:21:47.000 That's part of the strategy.

01:21:50.000 You rebel, start a family.

01:21:50.000 So, I've played this.

01:21:52.000 But I've played this clip before to tie in this 62% of all degrees.

01:21:55.000 But I think it's so important.

01:21:56.000 This is Rachel Wilson, a cult feminism author. 0.59

01:22:00.000 And she's talking about why women are so unhappy. 0.99

01:22:03.000 So, keep in mind now, 62% of all college degrees are going to women. 1.00

01:22:08.000 And now think about why they're unhappy. 1.00

01:22:11.000 Cut 41. 0.88

01:22:13.000 Women just overall reporting dissatisfaction, unhappiness, a feeling of being really torn, trying to have it all, trying to have a career and be a career woman and also have a family and do all of that. 0.98

01:22:27.000 Women don't know what to do with relationships because, on the one hand, they want men who make more than they do, they want men who are higher achieving than they are. 0.97

01:22:36.000 Yet, this creates a paradox whereas women have become the number one earners of college degrees. 0.98

01:22:42.000 They have Now, got salaries that compete with men, and they've got more equality than ever before.

01:22:49.000 They're finding that the men are not suitable to marry.

01:22:52.000 They're finding that, you know, they just can't find a guy who's on their level or higher, which is what they really want.

01:22:59.000 So now think back to the baby boom where you had the GI Bill and the status of men from earnings, college degrees, and all these things, job opportunities was here and women were down here and you had this huge baby boom as a result. 0.62

01:23:10.000 Now that script is flipped and we have a fertility crisis.

01:23:14.000 We're losing our freaking playgrounds at McDonald's. 0.65

01:23:18.000 We got all kinds of societal problems. 1.00

01:23:20.000 The men and the women don't like each other.

01:23:22.000 The Expectations and the relationships are off.

01:23:23.000 You talk to any of our Turning Point kids, by the way, it's the number one thing they'll talk to you about. 0.99

01:23:28.000 Dating sucks. 1.00

01:23:29.000 It's awful. 0.99

01:23:30.000 You get a few that have found somebody or whatever, but it's like things are out of whack.

01:23:36.000 And I think I love that Rachel Wilson clip because she talks about this driving force of feminism. 0.99

01:23:41.000 We want equality. 0.94

01:23:43.000 Now, okay, you got it.

01:23:44.000 You got beyond equality.

01:23:45.000 You got 62% of all the college degrees, and you're unhappier than you've ever been.

01:23:48.000 Maybe people like Alex Cooper need to rethink the script that they're selling.

01:23:53.000 That's all I'd say.

01:23:56.000 Maybe our traditions have been traditions that have been handed down from generation on generation for a reason.

01:24:02.000 Maybe there's a reason that all of civilization was built certain ways and successful civilizations have maintained those traditions.

01:24:11.000 And maybe we shouldn't screw around with them.

01:24:13.000 I mean, you go to bring it full circle, like you look at where the society was in the 1970s and 1976.

01:24:22.000 And I think we can all look at that and say, you know, that. 0.95

01:24:25.000 That just looks like a better time.

01:24:27.000 It just looks like a better time.

01:24:29.000 Well, Jack, I have to say it.

01:24:31.000 I have to say it because the Bible says it.

01:24:35.000 Say not, why were the former days better than these?

01:24:38.000 For it is not from wisdom that you ask this.

01:24:40.000 But I would agree.

01:24:41.000 There's certain parts about our history.

01:24:42.000 Well, no, but that's what I'm saying I'm not some curmudgeon who just sits there and says, oh, the past was better.

01:24:51.000 I look at those things and I say, hey, can we bring any of this forward?

01:24:55.000 What can we do to make our material conditions today better?

01:24:58.000 To make the streets better.

01:24:58.000 You know what I miss?

01:25:00.000 Better and and I just bought back freaking Pizza Hut, okay?

01:25:03.000 Yeah, you did a good thing.

01:25:04.000 I you know what I miss, Jack?

01:25:05.000 I miss the monoculture, like, yeah, like we're all old enough to remember America that had a monoculture, and it was it was cool.

01:25:13.000 It was great to know that, like, it didn't matter who I was walking down on the street, that they were going to be doing they were going to be watching the same shows and reacting to the same news.

01:25:22.000 There's benefits of having bifurcated culture or you know, siloed cultures, you get maybe more, it's maybe more individually satisfying, but there's something beautiful about having a Culture that's all singing from the same hymnal, if you would.

01:25:35.000 Like, for example, Matt Walsh made this point, and I thought it was spot on.

01:25:40.000 I'm watching a show that he happens to be watching, so I read the tweet, and it was about Widow's Bay, which is on Apple.

01:25:46.000 Was that good?

01:25:46.000 It's phenomenal.

01:25:47.000 I was thinking about checking that out.

01:25:48.000 It's excellent.

01:25:50.000 It's so good.

01:25:52.000 It's so funny, and it's actually scary.

01:25:54.000 It's like a comedy horror.

01:25:56.000 But a show that good deserves to be monoculture good.

01:26:01.000 But it's not.

01:26:02.000 It's probably got like 130th of the culture watching.

01:26:05.000 I'll bring it up though.

01:26:06.000 How many shows from when we had a monoculture for television do people still watch?

01:26:12.000 How many shows from when we still had a monoculture do people still watch?

01:26:12.000 Say what?

01:26:16.000 I still watch Seinfeld.

01:26:16.000 Seinfeld.

01:26:17.000 Seinfeld is from the 90s.

01:26:18.000 That's when the monoculture was already starting to fray apart.

01:26:20.000 But the monoculture was still there.

01:26:21.000 No, but Blake, those shows are consistently.

01:26:24.000 Compared to MASH?

01:26:25.000 No, wait, wait, wait.

01:26:26.000 I can answer this question.

01:26:28.000 Those shows are consistently like the number one shows on streaming.

01:26:32.000 Tyler, I think we were talking about this at one point.

01:26:34.000 That like Friends reruns when they go up on Netflix or.

01:26:37.000 You know, what we would call friends was terrible.

01:26:40.000 It's literally like number one every single time.

01:26:43.000 Friends is not funny.

01:26:45.000 Okay.

01:26:46.000 It is a good thing that you're not that funny.

01:26:47.000 And that is the best argument for.

01:26:49.000 I'm not a friends guy.

01:26:51.000 I'm not very much a science guy.

01:26:55.000 Seinfeld is a good show.

01:26:56.000 But it is extremely popular.

01:26:58.000 I think people, including internationally, people say they're depressed that the monoculture went away.

01:27:02.000 But again, I'm depressed.

01:27:04.000 I think personally, I think it's actually pretty good that there's a wider variety of cultural material that is available.

01:27:04.000 I just miss it a lot.

01:27:13.000 And you can still, if you want to get a community of people that's into it, you can still find these things.

01:27:18.000 You can find them online for starters.

01:27:20.000 And yeah, do you lose the fact that you can't go into work and say, hey, what did you guys think of TV show number seven last night?

01:27:28.000 And everyone's like, oh, I love TV show number seven.

01:27:30.000 So personally, I like that I don't have to watch TV show number seven necessarily.

01:27:35.000 Okay.

01:27:37.000 I think these things could be matters of degrees.

01:27:40.000 I think monoculture is probably, if I had to just approximate, 70% good, 30%.

01:27:45.000 Maybe it's better that you have.

01:27:46.000 So like you're pointing out, you're being contrarian here, but it's like I still think it's better for culture.

01:27:53.000 To all be sharing, have shared experiences because it brings us together in small ways that are important, right?

01:28:01.000 So, the last sort of cultural moment that we have all together is the Super Bowl, right?

01:28:05.000 When people talk about this, that's a valuable thing.

01:28:09.000 I don't know.

01:28:10.000 It makes America feel like America.

01:28:12.000 I think it's my neighbor feel like America.

01:28:14.000 Well, Andrew, I think if you recall, it's them screwing around with the Super Bowl that let us be able to do what we did to make this here.

01:28:23.000 But I will be the first to say that I don't want that.

01:28:26.000 But I actually would prefer they don't screw it up.

01:28:28.000 Because I wanted everybody to do that.

01:28:29.000 Do you think America had more of a monoculture?

01:28:31.000 That was our goal.

01:28:32.000 Do you think America had more of a monoculture in 1990 or in 1930?

01:28:41.000 I would think 1990 probably.

01:28:42.000 Definitely.

01:28:43.000 So, like, what I would say is if you went back 50 years, the complaint from conservatives like us would be about the loss of any regional identity in the United States.

01:28:52.000 We've lost regional accents, regional culture.

01:28:55.000 It used to be country music, for example.

01:28:56.000 That's actually a really good thing.

01:28:58.000 Totally a regional thing.

01:28:58.000 I concede this point.

01:29:00.000 I wasn't thinking about it like that, and I actually.

01:29:02.000 Totally agree with it. 0.90

01:29:05.000 I would say, okay, so for the 1930s, right, we had more regional culture, and there was also like a huge ethnic boom of immigration that we were absorbing.

01:29:15.000 You used to have ethnic immigration.

01:29:16.000 And then it stopped the Great Depression through the end of World War II, basically.

01:29:20.000 So you had about 15 years of just like zero immigration.

01:29:20.000 Okay.

01:29:23.000 The Great Depression, like 1930 to 1930 to 1980, 90 or so is probably the peak in world history for.

01:29:33.000 Creating national monocultures because you're able to have mass communication, but it's still resource intensive to generate those.

01:29:41.000 So you have only a few years to both worlds, though, because we're like a lot of this is media driven, too.

01:29:46.000 Yeah, I was gonna say we're getting the worst of both worlds, though, because we're eroding regional culture.

01:29:51.000 Because as you said earlier, Indians in you know outside of Dallas are still watching, like you know, India play the music, yeah, exactly. 0.97

01:30:01.000 Cue the music, they're still watching the content from their home country, right.

01:30:06.000 But so they're not really Texas.

01:30:08.000 You don't get the charm of a Texan in their, you know, their brisket.

01:30:13.000 You're getting something totally different.

01:30:15.000 Nor are they a part of a monoculture.

01:30:17.000 So, nor can I share something national with them.

01:30:21.000 It's all foobar at that point.

01:30:22.000 So, I mean, the point is, I'd rather have a monoculture that we can all share, at least in this day and age, as opposed to just bifurcated where regions don't even matter.

01:30:34.000 So, Marshall McLuhan, if you read any of his stuff, he just, just like totally in the 1960s called all of this.

01:30:40.000 And, you know, he pointed out how the rise of television, to Blake's point, you know, led to the loss of regional culture.

01:30:49.000 But then he also predicted that as information became more democratized and that the sort of like the mechanisms by which we create media would become easier and cheaper to, you know, the methods of production, as it were, means of production, as it were, that we would become bifurcated and, and, You know, that monoculture will be smashed apart again.

01:31:15.000 And so, what we're seeing now is we rather than have regional identity, so we have regional identity, which still exists, and you see it a lot with sports teams more than anything else.

01:31:24.000 Then, we also have our general monoculture, which has taken the biggest hit.

01:31:30.000 And that's why we have the loss of the national pride of being an American that we're currently fighting to get back, right?

01:31:38.000 To get back to that bicentennialism, which also coincided with the probably the peak of that monoculture, or, you know, at least proceeding to that peak of the 1990s.

01:31:47.000 And then With the rise of the internet, now we are subdividing yet again, but we're not subdividing by region.

01:31:55.000 We're subdividing also by sort of like internet identity. 0.88

01:31:59.000 So it's sort of like you're getting into these trans identity. 1.00

01:32:04.000 That's what I identify as, or identify as this crazy group that I found on TikTok. 0.99

01:32:09.000 And then I go into the Discord chat, and now that's my identity. 0.99

01:32:13.000 And we got feminism.

01:32:14.000 So, you know, so Angela's saying we should wrap because we've gone over time.

01:32:18.000 But this has been a really fun conversation.

01:32:20.000 Lots to think about.

01:32:22.000 But I'll put it to you guys, the crew.

01:32:24.000 Do we want to wrap on a CK clip talking about how feminism has failed women?

01:32:29.000 Or do we want to wrap on a Pizza Hut clip? 0.72

01:32:31.000 Do we have a Charlie clip talking about Pizza Hut?

01:32:36.000 Charlie wasn't allowed to eat pizza.

01:32:38.000 Even when he was a kid?

01:32:39.000 Well, no, no, I'm just saying he wouldn't eat it today.

01:32:41.000 He would just say that pizza was really unhealthy.

01:32:43.000 And he would probably say everyone should just eat ground beef and lettuce.

01:32:47.000 Excuse me, it's cheese, it's bread, it's meat.

01:32:50.000 I mean, it's like all the food groups right there.

01:32:52.000 Bread?

01:32:53.000 Yeah, do you think Charlie's going to eat bread?

01:32:55.000 Let's go out on Charlie.

01:32:56.000 Of course, it's been a while.

01:32:57.000 Go out on Charlie.

01:32:57.000 So, this is that.

01:32:58.000 So, remember.

01:32:59.000 Yeah, go out on Charlie, of course. 1.00

01:33:00.000 62% of all degrees go into women, and they're unhappier than they've ever been. 1.00

01:33:04.000 And Charlie understood this. 0.92

01:33:06.000 Until next Thursday, keep committing thought crimes. 1.00

01:33:09.000 Feminism is the glaring thing in front of us where we have fertility rates down, we have marriage rates down, we have unhappiness up, and we did something in the 1960s out of the universities of Brettie Friedan and Gloria Steinem and all these feminists that basically said, you're trapped in a home, go get a job, freeze your eggs, take birth control. 1.00

01:33:27.000 And all of a sudden, women are way unhappier than they were 40 years ago. 0.67

01:33:30.000 And I just have to ask the question why is that? 1.00

01:33:32.000 Is it working?

01:33:33.000 And maybe there are biological differences between men and women that we should respect. 0.99

01:33:37.000 And that deep down, a lot of women want to get married and have children.

01:33:40.000 In fact, we should applaud it and we should support it.

01:33:43.000 And we should say it means nothing if you're going to go be a CEO of some shoe company or be some banker in London.

01:33:48.000 What matters if you raise children and you have something to pass down long after you're gone?

01:33:57.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 23, 2026

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 128 — Pizza Hut Nationalism? America 250? Call Her Mommy?

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