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00:04:50.000You know, speaking of aliens, we have to shout out most of Thought Crimes listeners for holding a line and not going to the new Star Wars movie, The Mandalorian and Grogu, which grossed a mere $100 million in its first weekend, which.
00:05:06.000In modern inflationary times, it did the same as Solo.
00:05:12.000Yeah, but it's been about a decade since Solo.
00:05:47.000Let's at least take a second to say that, congratulate and appreciate those who actually went along with the assignment of boycotting this because Mark Hamill called for Donald Trump to be killed.
00:06:02.000And of course, by extension, all conservatives.
00:06:05.000This, of course, led to a, you know, we still.
00:06:07.000We saw something happen where a Star Wars super fan apparently beat to death a Trump, the guy who ran a Trump house in San Diego.
00:08:28.000We went to the bluest part of the state to view basically the moon given Republicans.
00:08:34.000How did you feel during the scene where the Mandalorian?
00:08:37.000How did you feel about the scene where the Mandalorian turns to the camera and he says, We need to work together to win back the White House in 2028?
00:08:47.000Yeah, yeah, like the bad guy that brought out the HUD.
00:08:51.000I will say this the Mandalorian and Grogu made a huge mistake, and I don't really understand why they made this mistake.
00:08:57.000I don't like the graphic of the title.
00:08:59.000No, no, in recent years, the Star Wars, the only thing that's really been successful in the Star Wars play has been them reintroducing Hayden Christensen into the, into like different parts of the IP.
00:09:13.000And people love that because he was hated.
00:09:32.000Made it try to make it secret that they were going to do the multiverse thing and all the two previous Spider-Man were going to show up in the movie and then it got leaked and all that.
00:09:41.000It like hyped up the movie so much that like so many like you had to go see, even if you were Jack, you would have and you were anti that, you would have had to go see it and be part of that.
00:09:52.000There was no hype for this movie, so there was nothing exciting, there was no like special thing that got leaked.
00:09:58.000There was nothing, it was just like this is just like an extended episode of The Mandalorian, yeah.
00:12:27.000No, this is basically insider trading.
00:12:30.000No, the guy who runs boycotts took his family to Disney World and then led the boycott after it, knowing that he was going to lose the boycott.
00:12:37.000No, here's no, and then just to rub it in all our faces, post the picture.
00:12:42.000It's like it's like pulling on this is like when they pull up the ladder, which is really which is hilarious because this is from like what four or five years ago, yeah.
00:12:51.000Um, where there was this whole media like freak out on me because of this.
00:12:56.000Because I was like leading a Disney boycott over, gosh, some crazy stuff.
00:13:03.000Yeah, one of the LGBT things they were doing.
00:13:10.000But then Tanya, of course, not paying attention to what I'm doing on Twitter, decides to post our Disney photos from like a month before, like at the same time.
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00:19:00.000On the mic, I still don't know what I think about that, but yeah, my my uh, what's obviously fake, my my take on the Michael movie was that it wasn't as good as everyone said it was, but that's it.
00:19:11.000It was well made, better, it was well made, but I thought so, but anyways, going back, I still think with the Favreau thing, like he was like executive producer, I think, on like a ton of Marvel, like good movies, that like every single one of those movies had like a major hook into it that had like.
00:19:33.000Like it was just chock full of, what do they call them when it's like a set pieces?
00:19:41.000Just like a special thing that happens in it, like that's unexpected.
00:19:59.000No, no, but it's just like an action, straightforward.
00:20:01.000There's nothing that's like the Star Wars cinematic, the universe that Star Wars is in has so many different things in it now that it's actually criminal to me to not have any.
00:20:14.000Like secret things that are pop up in it that aren't huge.
00:20:20.000There was like no Easter eggs in this movie.
00:20:21.000Yeah, well, I would tell you that, you know, me and Foz were having this conversation because it's like a lot of people like to crap on the movie.
00:24:13.000But yeah, so wait, okay, Jack, just so I'm clear, if you just take the nine movies in the series, right, from the original four, then the four, five, six, one, two, three, and then seven, eight, nine, which is your favorite of that?
00:24:31.000Or do you just like, you're so boycott that you don't care?
00:24:35.000I mean, I will send you, I will tell you that I just texted you the link.
00:24:39.000To watch all the despecialized Star Wars editions from the originals.
00:24:47.000So you can, you know, if you really want to, you can watch that.
00:24:50.000Genuinely, the most important thing to me, I cannot stand the like boo boo CGI from like, what was it, like 1998, I think.
00:24:56.000Yeah, so this one was probably crap out.
00:24:59.000But what they did, this is a fan project, and you can find it on archive.
00:25:04.000So what the fans did was they went in and they like upscaled, you know, to like, I think this is 720K or 720p rather.
00:25:15.000You know, to make it look crisp, you know, on a modern screen, but also preserving the original of the original series, which, yeah.
00:25:24.000So, if I were still watching Star Wars, I would watch the original originals.
00:28:11.000I think if Hitler had a son, I think if some guy worked for Hitler and saw Hitler torturing his son and then suddenly threw Hitler down an elevator shaft, but that guy had otherwise run Auschwitz, I don't think we would say that that undid running Auschwitz.
00:28:25.000You're totally skipping over an empire when the interactions that they had together led him to the moment of him recognizing and reconnecting with his son.
00:28:48.000I think that everyone remembers that, and yet that's also a sign of not just decline in Star Wars, but decline in our pop culture as well, which is let's make an out of nowhere plot twist that's kind of irrelevant.
00:29:57.000You have to like Star Wars if you want to actually consider yourself a citizen of the United States.
00:30:01.000And also, it took us down the dark path, which we remain on today, of you have this giant universe where anything can happen and there's quadrillions of people and infinity planets.
00:30:10.000And actually, everything is just the family drama of one group of people.
00:30:13.000That's actually like real life, though.
00:30:33.000Everybody's waiting, waiting to see if the ceasefire holds, waiting to see if the Strait of Hormuz reopens, waiting to see what happens next.
00:36:45.000And yeah, because I used to just not, you know, rent it or.
00:36:51.000Was it because Jedi was on TV all the time?
00:36:54.000Dude, I remember Jedi being on TV all the time.
00:36:56.000I would watch TV or something and I would see it.
00:36:58.000And, like, just the way that you would interact with media was so different because, like, you would turn it on and be like, oh, yeah, I'm going to watch Star Wars for a while.
00:38:18.000But this was someone remarking on X the other day.
00:38:21.000Finding out, someone says, Can we please normalize achievable reading goals?
00:38:25.00030 or more books a year is not common.
00:38:27.000And then this other person, Ali B, replied, Finding out that people on Book Talk, that is TikTok book readers, they skip everything but dialogue.
00:38:36.000Which makes reading 30 plus a year books make a lot more sense.
00:38:41.000And let's see, I think they said another thing.
00:38:44.000And then someone goes, But this is smart.
00:39:26.000Like, no, this explains, like, dude, this explains so much about what I've experienced doing like this kind of stuff and media commentary, whatever, on content over the last.
00:39:42.000So today, I guess, is my Twitter anniversary, my X anniversary.
00:39:46.000I've been on Twitter for 14 years as of today.
00:39:52.000And, you know, people who know the backstory know that I originally got on to crap on HBO Who's Game of Thrones from the perspective of a book reader who was very upset about it.
00:40:03.000And, long story short, we're here now.
00:40:07.000And what's hilarious is that I used to encounter people like this all the time who were just filthy casuals.
00:40:16.000Who clearly, like, they would these we used to call them SJWs back in the day, but they were like these supporters of the characters, like, oh, I'm a Daenerys supporter, or like, oh, I could never be friends with the Stannis supporter.
00:41:06.000Uh, when I talked about that, that one show, uh, or that, that one book series that got turned into a movie with Sydney Sweeney about killing her husband called the handmaiden or excuse me, the housemaid, you know, it, uh, house, housemaid, housemaid that, uh, like it, it was a, you know, really rode the, um, You know, the book talk carousel, if you will.
00:43:08.000Like, somebody's freaking out discovering that this is like a trend.
00:43:11.000And by the way, I feel like this is keeping up with the Joneses' energy.
00:43:17.000Like they want to be able to say, oh, I read all these books, but you actually didn't read the books.
00:43:21.000It's like you didn't actually do a thing and you want to claim credit for it.
00:43:25.000And that to me is the most offensive part about this.
00:43:28.000It's, yeah, you're missing the art, you're missing everything, but it's this weird drive to sort of say, like, I read 14 books or something.
00:43:35.000Someone pointed out that in addition to people just skipping large chunks of the book, the way a lot of these books are consumed is they'll just take an audio book of it.
00:43:43.000And they'll run it at one and a half, two times, three times speed as a constant background track of their life.
00:44:32.000Well, the funny thing is, is so many of these books they're reading, even frankly, even if they have graphic sex or like whatever stuff in it, a lot of them are still effectively children's books.
00:44:41.000They are written at a child's reading level.
00:44:45.000That's actually a really good point, too, because if you, I, I, I did read, um, Uh, housemaid, and then it was very, very juvenile writing, very amateurish.
00:44:56.000It's kind of like, I guess, this started with um, what was that series, Fifty Shades of Grey, where it was like a fan fiction of Twilight that later became a uh, you know, like like book series in its own right, and then a movie series in its own right, where you just get this like really, really just so, but this is a big, you know, like grade school level writing.
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00:47:55.000Netflix, you know, standard way to make an action movie that we learned was you usually have like three set pieces one in the first act, one in the second, one in the third.
00:48:05.000And, you know, they kind of ramp up in the big one with all the explosions, and you spend most of your money on that one in the third act.
00:48:12.000Um, and now they're you know, they're like, can we get a big one in the first five minutes to get somebody?
00:48:17.000You know, we want people to stay tuned in, and and can, and you know, it wouldn't be terrible if you reiterated the plot three or four times in the dialogue because people are on their phones while they're watching, you know what I mean?
00:48:31.000It's the most we're it's it's really bad.
00:49:31.000We can achieve great things, though, because the movie Michael is right there for all of us to see, and it's amazing, and everyone should go see it.
00:50:09.000Here's the thing, though my kids will get home and then Jack Jack will be like, Daddy, can you put on Thriller?
00:50:16.000And I'll put on Thriller and he starts like moonwalking throughout the living room or, you know, he'll put on Beat It, we'll put on Bad, we'll put on whatever, you know, and.
00:50:25.000He or Billie Jean, obviously, like Man in the Middle, black and white, black or white.
00:50:30.000You've already named more Michael Jackson songs than I could name.
00:50:34.000We'll put on, no, I mean, he's legitimately.
00:50:38.000I've always been a Michael Jackson fan.
00:50:41.000You think Michael was like a 10 out of 10 movie?
00:51:32.000I didn't realize how they had, like, I learned about, and by the way, I thought it was really cool how the family came together to really honor Michael.
00:52:56.000Well, and for me, like, actually, like one of the things I pulled away from it, and maybe this is subconsciously for America, hopefully, was that, like, how cool is that?
00:53:04.000Like, one of the themes that was in it too was that a family went from basically nothing, you know, to like living, like, quite literally the American dream.
00:53:14.000Nobody like like psycho psycho leftists came out of that.
00:53:18.000Like, you want to work in a factory like me, boy?
00:53:20.000How dare they have safari animals like living on their property and that?
00:53:26.000Like, but I thought that was pretty cool.
00:53:28.000And I think that's a cool thing, though, that we like teach people it was obvious to me.
00:53:33.000It's going to be through like you're going to be a rapper or an NBA player.
00:53:36.000No, but it played it, but it played into this whole thing of like clearly Michael Jackson, like in part one of the themes too in that movie was like, like he never like.
00:53:51.000That he was like, and I think that actually gave a lot more insight to a lot of the misnomers that people took that kind of claimed that he was like this terrible person.
00:54:02.000But he was like, really, like what they were saying is like, this guy was a kid since the time because the dad made, like, kept him in this kid zone that he never got to experience his.
00:54:11.000I don't, I'm not saying we're done with this topic, but I do think this is a weird intro.
00:54:15.000Like, we haven't had this other topic.
00:54:49.000Taken off, and his dad, he likes to talk back to his dad and he's like, You're going to show me respect, and just pulls the belt off and just starts whipping him.
00:54:58.000And they show it on screen, and he's like freaking out.
00:55:04.000And that's what Tyler's referring to when he says it kind of shows you perhaps some of those forces and family dynamics that maybe made Michael have this childlike personality even as he grew up.
00:55:22.000Well, I think culturally, psychologically, frozen there.
00:55:25.000We heard these stories, and then I think as a culture, we got away from spanking.
00:55:33.000And apparently, according to new study or new reporting, I guess.
00:55:38.000Gen Z is returning to this, apparently.
00:56:18.000I think there's people that probably take like, it's a, it, it, it's as close to like getting to child abuse, like from a physical standpoint.
00:58:17.000Well, and it's like, and if they don't, it's more push up than plank, but it's like, If you don't go down far enough, then daddy gets out the fist and you have to like go down and you have to get to daddy, you like come all the way down.
00:58:27.000You know, we do, you know, timeouts, obviously, like that's a big one.
00:58:33.000Just a variety of things and depriving, you know, kids of things.
00:58:36.000I think, I think there's a lot you can do.
00:58:42.000I mean, there's plenty of studies that are, you know, that show that, that spanking is, is like, like really bad and then, you know, leads to like Michael Jackson style issues.
00:59:54.000So it's like the research revealed that when this demographic of parents was asked whether they had ever spanked their child or children with their hand, about 20% said yes.
01:01:30.000It's not how you get softer, you might just get better.
01:01:32.000But I was going to say, this is the point I was going to make, was that if the kids are close enough together and they observe the corporal punishment, Of, like, the one of a boy, then you don't need to, yeah.
01:01:46.000So, like, I think that I mean, I was like for sure, like, definitely instilled in my younger siblings, like, you don't want to get spanked.
01:01:53.000So, the threat actually became real because, like, they knew that I was serious about it because it was like the look they could see in my eyes of, like, oh, yeah, you don't want that to happen to you, and so you don't have to use it.
01:02:04.000But if you don't do it at least once, right, like, there's no threat.
01:02:11.000I think I spanked my son one time, I think my dad maybe did it once or twice.
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01:03:26.000Yeah, so here's the way to put it together.
01:03:29.000Because I'm still kind of like, you know, you look, I mean, you could see all the studies out there that say that spanking in general is not good for cognitive development.
01:03:41.000But at the University of Texas, no Livs at UT Austin, okay.
01:03:47.000Yeah, that the, a lot of it is like lack of creativity.
01:03:53.000But the problem though, I think though, is that people saw that stuff and they thought like, oh, we have to go full in on like the therapy style.
01:04:01.000Like, I'm going to be my kid's best friend and I'm going to do this and this whole like non confrontational parenting.
01:04:08.000We're like, I want my kid to trust me where I'm one of the buds.
01:04:21.000And the issue that's now created with the unruly kids is that it's been too permissive and the kids don't actually have any boundaries when they're in that situation.
01:04:31.000And so, Like, you do need to drive back.
01:04:34.000So, I think if anything, with what they're saying about the shocking rise, is that I think that perhaps like some millennial and Gen Z parents are like, okay, you know, the whole like talk therapy version of parenting is stupid.
01:04:47.000So, I'm going to move in the opposite direction.
01:04:49.000But then they go too far in the opposite direction.
01:05:02.000I think the article is like, Saying it's shocking still how many parents do this.
01:05:08.000I think it's actually like to Tyler's point if there isn't an actual threat of it being real, then it kind of loses its effectiveness.
01:05:18.000Like it is like peace through strength parenting.
01:05:20.000But yeah, if you enforce authority and you firmly establish that they need to answer to you and that you're in charge at a very young age, I do think that you can tend to keep those boundaries more established.
01:05:33.000But there are going to be times where kids try and like.
01:05:37.000Defy the parents, you know, like, and I would say to your point on the oldest, like, my daughter was she's great now, she's like our easiest kid now.
01:05:45.000But when she was kind of like spreading her wings and trying to establish kind of the boundary lines with us, she was the hardest that we've had.
01:05:54.000And so, you know, there needed to be a little bit of like set the pace here.
01:05:57.000That's in theory, like, but maybe I just wasn't as good of a parent either because with the other ones, I have so many more tools in the toolbox to kind of establish, you know, order in the house.
01:06:11.000So here's my thought, Crime on this is, and it's something that I just don't see addressed in any parenting literature at all, is that I think that IQ plays a role in this.
01:06:24.000I think if you have kids who are, or people who are lower IQ, then perhaps this might be more effective.
01:06:34.000And we certainly have talked about that in the legal process and the judicial process and the Lee Kuan Yew sort of version of.
01:06:46.000And I think with kids, it's the same way.
01:06:48.000Like, if you've got smarter kids, if you've got kids that are more cognitively aware, then the threat works better than the actual thing.
01:06:57.000But if they don't seem to have that ability to put that all together, then perhaps it is those ones that are lower IQ where this is more effective.
01:07:07.000Because I have people texting me right now who are watching the show saying, like, oh, you know, I tried that and it didn't work.
01:08:49.000So it's about discipline, not just about like the rod.
01:08:53.000The Bible says, do not, it doesn't say you have to spank them.
01:08:56.000Yeah, but the Bible says, do not exasperate your children, which is another thing, which, as a parent, has come into focus a lot because you can feel when you're trying to drive home a point, you can feel when they've kind of had enough.
01:09:09.000And sometimes you need to pivot to a softer approach.
01:09:11.000But, anyways, I just think people who go out and I bet people can generate studies that'll tell you that any form of punishment is actually bad because a lot of people, they like the anarchy of there being no authority.
01:09:24.000And something that's pointed out that I think is useful is any law we have, if we want it to exist, It does ultimately need to be backed up by force.
01:09:33.000It comes up when the police end up choking or shooting someone.
01:10:13.000I think all of us who have said it's okay have said we ourselves experienced it maybe once.
01:10:18.000And so, among other things, I don't imagine any of these studies they're doing are very good at capturing the value that comes from a parent who spanks their child literally once ever while they're growing up.
01:10:30.000I think that's difficult to capture, but I think the value is real.
01:10:33.000Did you guys ever experience any physical punishment when you became like teenagers?
01:10:37.000My dad, the longest thing he would do, and this is going to sound extremely funny today, but I did once possess hair atop my head.
01:10:44.000And if my dad thought I was giving him lip or being sassy, he would grab me by the back, by the short hairs in the back right here.
01:10:51.000Which ones you still have, to be clear?
01:10:53.000Well, I don't really have them there anymore.
01:10:55.000He couldn't grab them anymore for sure.
01:12:51.000But it left like an impression with me.
01:12:53.000It was like I actually felt bad that I made my dad so mad that.
01:12:57.000It probably still my situation where it was like, like I made I felt bad that I made my dad so mad that he did that.
01:13:04.000And I know he was like disappointed in himself afterwards that I like got on his jack.
01:13:08.000Anything for you when you got older and got all silly?
01:13:11.000The one thing that I just have to reflect on is um, this is going back like you know, I guess seven, seven, six or seven years now is that you know, just over the six or seven years that I've dealt with Andrew Colbert, I mean, I'm right there with his dad.
01:13:42.000I was actually a pretty good kid in general, but I definitely had that coming.
01:13:47.000I went through this phase where I would say out of line things, trying to get a shock out of my parents.
01:13:54.000Anyways, Foz says, when I was five, all the kids would talk about spankings, and I was curious and jealous that I never got spanked since my parents were against it.
01:14:03.000So, I kept doing things that were naughty to try and get spanked, and then it finally happened, and I didn't love it.
01:14:53.000My dad did one thing, not to me, but to my brother.
01:14:56.000He had his car and he threatened, like, hey, if you do, I can't remember what he did, something like goofed off or broke curfew or did something.
01:15:04.000He's like, I'm going to take away your car.
01:15:07.000My dad did take away my brother's car without him knowing.
01:15:11.000He had an extra key to it and then parked it in a storage locker.
01:15:16.000Like it fit perfectly in the storage locker, closed the door and gave the storage locker key to my brother, but didn't tell him which storage locker it was or where it was at.
01:15:39.000And so you have to be responsible enough to, like, Keep the storage locker key for as long.
01:15:43.000And then when I decide to let it out, it's really funny to put it in like one of the extremely large storage locker complexes we have in Phoenix and just say, like, it's one of them.