The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 13 — Willard Romney's Revenge? Dems Legitimizing Prostitution? Oliver The Fake?

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00:00:02.000 I joined late to this because I was at our pastor summit.

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00:00:08.000 Talk about Mitt Romney, talk about the Virginia hooker.

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00:01:12.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to tonight's edition, this week's edition of Thought Crime.

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00:01:25.000 I'm not even sure because we got a lot of craziness going on right now.

00:01:30.000 Our gas prices are up almost a full dollar here since last week.

00:01:33.000 Almost a full.

00:01:34.000 And I was in California about a week ago.

00:01:38.000 And I think, are you guys hitting about almost $6 a gallon right now?

00:01:42.000 Yeah, we are.

00:01:43.000 Yeah.

00:01:44.000 It's about doing six, dude.

00:01:47.000 How do you do it?

00:01:48.000 I mean, honestly, Santa Barbara's a small town, so we don't drive a whole bunch.

00:01:52.000 So we don't feel it as much as probably like, you know, our Los Angeles friends.

00:01:57.000 But I mean, at the end of the day, I mean, California is, and actually this, this includes Arizona, Nevada, I believe Washington and Oregon are considered the same sort of gas island.

00:02:08.000 So they are, it has to do with where the oil comes from.

00:02:14.000 It has to do with where they're getting refined.

00:02:16.000 California has all these special additives and regulations that the refineries, these benchmarks that refineries need to hit.

00:02:25.000 So it can only come from certain refineries.

00:02:27.000 So it limits the supply even more.

00:02:29.000 It's a whole problem.

00:02:31.000 So Charlie will be here in a little bit.

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00:02:48.000 Let's get into the first topic here.

00:02:50.000 This one, I think we've all talked about it, but we haven't all mentioned it together.

00:02:54.000 This one, the revenge, or should we say the elegy for Willard Romney?

00:03:01.000 Willard Mitt Romney has announced he's quitting the Senate, total rage quit right before the 2024 election.

00:03:08.000 So he's going to serve out the remainder of his term.

00:03:12.000 And of course, as befits his character, he's riding off into the sunset by having the globalists at the Atlantic publish a completely obnoxious, passive-aggressive interview, trashing his colleagues, trashing Trump, trashing the GOP base.

00:03:27.000 So what is the final word on the GOP's 2012 standard bearer, the man who was the nominee for president in 2012?

00:03:36.000 And Blake, I think you actually have an excerpt from this article that's by McKay Coppins in The Atlantic.

00:03:44.000 Well, yeah, exactly, Jack.

00:03:46.000 It's amazing.

00:03:47.000 So of course, he's everything about Romney is, you know, the supposed like, you know, politeness and decorum and all the damage that Trump does to our democracy by being all.

00:03:56.000 Yeah, yeah, the last Boy Scout.

00:03:58.000 So, naturally, what he does is he announces he's retiring.

00:04:01.000 And then, you know, in perfect timing with it, McKay Coppins has this biography that he's putting out that's all about Romney and has all these like data points in it.

00:04:10.000 And he's basically just like Romney doing like a drive-by shooting on other members of the Republican Party as he leaves.

00:04:16.000 Let's see, like one of the lines from it.

00:04:19.000 This is a summary as Axios summarizes it helpfully for us.

00:04:23.000 Romney shares a unique disgust for senators Josh Hawley of Missouri and Ted Cruz of Texas, who he thought were too smart to believe Trump won the 2020 election, but quote, put politics above the interests of liberal democracy and the Constitution.

00:04:39.000 And then the even wilder one is for Senator JD Vance of Ohio.

00:04:43.000 He says, quote, I don't know that I can disrespect someone more than JD Vance.

00:04:49.000 That is a direct quote from Senator Romney describing Senator Vance, who he still has to, you know, share a Senate chamber with for the next year before he actually quits.

00:04:59.000 But, you know, J.D., I mean, can someone explain what has JD Vance done in his time in the Senate that's been so ill-reputable?

00:05:09.000 Does anyone have what when he went to East Palestine?

00:05:11.000 And it seems his crime that went on there.

00:05:15.000 I'm trying to figure this out.

00:05:16.000 It seems his crime is that, you know, JD Vance came out of Ohio.

00:05:20.000 He went to Yale, I believe it was, and then he was in finance and was, you know, and then wrote his memoir, which was very well received.

00:05:26.000 And he's this up-and-comer on the coast.

00:05:27.000 And then I guess he moved back to Ohio, started doing too many appearances on Tucker Carlson tonight.

00:05:33.000 And like, according to Romney, it was like the transformation was just, was just too jarring.

00:05:37.000 Like it was too, too much of a transformation for Mr. Romney, who himself has basically transmuted into this like Democrat, I guess.

00:05:46.000 But that doesn't kill me.

00:05:48.000 This is an interesting take on all of it.

00:05:50.000 And Andrew, maybe you can give us a sense of it because what I think that Romney's really upset about here is that he's considering JD Vance a class trader.

00:06:00.000 He's calling him a class trader and saying, look, you're allowed to make money in finance.

00:06:05.000 You're allowed to go to Yale.

00:06:06.000 You're allowed to go to the great schools.

00:06:08.000 But the one thing, and you're certainly allowed to run for the Senate, but the one thing you're not allowed to do is actually go out to the people of your state, listen to their interests and listen to their issues, and then grow and go and try to actually represent them in the United States Senate.

00:06:25.000 Well, this is this is, I think, class trader, I think that's really smart framing, Jack, because at some level, a lot of this is much more about vibe.

00:06:34.000 It's much more about what Mitt Romney thinks is classy versus gross or respectable versus, you know, essentially untoward and beyond the pale, right?

00:06:46.000 So it's all based on his own little framework of class structure, of decorum, those sorts of things.

00:06:52.000 So it says here in this, he says he was also highly critical of Senator JD Vance, Republican of Ohio, who reinvented his persona to become a Trump acolyte after publishing a best-selling memoir, Ilbili Illogy, about the working class that Romney loved.

00:07:10.000 So Romney loved the book.

00:07:12.000 So at some level, I think it was just like, so I love this book.

00:07:15.000 And how can this guy then become like a Trump bootlicker?

00:07:18.000 Go ahead.

00:07:19.000 Right.

00:07:19.000 So I can agree.

00:07:21.000 And just real quickly, it's kind of like, because in the book, JD Vance's conclusions, I would say, I don't offer this as criticism.

00:07:29.000 I just say it's sort of, it's an evolution on JD Vance's part because he sort of just says in the book, well, that sort of blase, classic Republican line of, you know, and everybody just needs to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

00:07:43.000 I can do it.

00:07:44.000 So can you.

00:07:45.000 And we should cut, you know, taxes for big businesses.

00:07:48.000 And the 1% pays most of the income tax.

00:07:51.000 And that's kind of it.

00:07:52.000 And then when he went to actually run for office and started really engaging with people politically, that's when he shifted not socially, right?

00:08:02.000 But he shifted economically to become more of a populist.

00:08:06.000 Blake, what you're saying?

00:08:07.000 Well, what's so telling in this article is like some of the just the little specific anecdotes that it does pick.

00:08:13.000 And I almost wonder if Coppins is like subtly trolling Romney.

00:08:17.000 This is the part where apparently Romney lives by himself and his family.

00:08:21.000 In D.C., it mentions, let me get the line here.

00:08:26.000 It talks about his pad that he lives in, and it says, the place had not been Romney's first choice for a Washington residence.

00:08:33.000 When he was elected in 2018, he'd had his eye on a newly remodeled condo at the Watergate with glittering views of the Potomac.

00:08:41.000 His wife Anne fell in love with the place, but his soon-to-be staffers and colleagues warned him about the commute, which, by the way, it's like a mile and a half to the Capitol.

00:08:50.000 So he grudgingly chose practicality over luxury and settled for the $2.4 million townhouse instead.

00:09:00.000 And then, of course, this is not good enough for Anne.

00:09:02.000 So she never visits him when he's in D.C.

00:09:05.000 So it turns into a gross bachelor pad that has it mentions there's crumbs everywhere and seltzer because we know Mitt Romney would never he's he's very good.

00:09:14.000 He's a good goodie two-shoes Mormon. 1.00

00:09:16.000 He's not going to crack open a Diet Coke.

00:09:18.000 That's not allowed.

00:09:19.000 And so it's only going to be the Seltzer water.

00:09:21.000 And just all these things, he goes after Vance.

00:09:25.000 And one of the things that he criticizes Vance for is that JD Vance called Indigenous Peoples Day a fake holiday.

00:09:31.000 It is a fake holiday.

00:09:32.000 It is literally created as an alternative to Columbus Day because, well, Columbus Day is also kind of a fake holiday.

00:09:38.000 Sorry, Italians. 1.00

00:09:40.000 But like to kvetch about that.

00:09:42.000 Excuse me, the man who discovered the United States of America.

00:09:46.000 That's not fake.

00:09:46.000 That's amazing.

00:09:47.000 That's glorious.

00:09:49.000 Whatever.

00:09:51.000 Our country was almost named after him, and our capital is partly named after him.

00:09:55.000 You guys can debate that.

00:09:56.000 Columbus Day is a great holiday.

00:09:58.000 May it rain forever.

00:10:00.000 But here's what I will say: is that his basic beef with JD Vance.

00:10:05.000 And by the way, we had JD Vance on the show on Thursday.

00:10:09.000 And, you know, we didn't talk about it.

00:10:10.000 I wanted to keep it classy, whatever.

00:10:12.000 You know, JD has like a whole like U.S. steel thing.

00:10:15.000 The EPA is coming after U.S. Steel, going to tank the U.S. steel industry.

00:10:19.000 I mean, the guy's focused on real stuff that affects real people.

00:10:22.000 And if you get down to what his book was about, his book was about: listen, all of these powers that be these greater powers that are, you know, causing this massive drug addiction, O D's, whether that's the border or just the plight of the Rust Belt and how there's no jobs, and young men are looking for purpose in meeting and things to do, but they don't.

00:10:46.000 So they fall into drugs, whatever.

00:10:48.000 A lot of that stuff was railing against all of the issues that populism is sort of birthed out of, right?

00:10:56.000 So JD was once a critic of Trump, yes.

00:10:59.000 But like many on the conservative side that were formerly never Trumpers, I mean, Katie Pavlich comes to mind, right?

00:11:06.000 She was one of the signees of that.

00:11:08.000 Jack, you know this well.

00:11:09.000 You've sent me the cover of this 2015, 2016 Never Trump from National Review.

00:11:15.000 You know, Katie Pavlich was one of these people, but now Katie Pavlich became a defender of President Trump.

00:11:21.000 This is not because when he actually got into office and we saw the policies, we saw the blue-collar boom that the top or the lowest 10% were their wages were going faster than the top 10%.

00:11:33.000 Compare that to Joe Biden's economy and not even a chance, right?

00:11:38.000 So he's basically mad that he thinks Vance sold out to get elected.

00:11:43.000 All right, there might have been some calculation with Vance to get elected, but let us not forget this.

00:11:50.000 Show image 99.

00:11:53.000 Show 99, this image.

00:11:55.000 Oh, yeah.

00:11:57.000 Let's talk about sellouts.

00:11:58.000 Let's talk.

00:11:59.000 Yeah, let's talk about sellouts.

00:12:01.000 There's even a better part.

00:12:06.000 Yeah, go ahead, Blake.

00:12:08.000 What are we looking at?

00:12:09.000 So, the image we're looking at is, of course, when Romney met with Trump after the 2016 election, there was discussion he might be Secretary of State, I believe, was the office, and they had dinner in D.C.

00:12:19.000 And, of course, we have that immortal photograph where it's, you know, Trump has probably the most impish grin we've ever had Donald Trump give, and then that kind of Romney grimace.

00:12:30.000 I think that that was 2016 in a nutshell.

00:12:32.000 Let's build this.

00:12:34.000 This is when Romney, December 2016.

00:12:36.000 So, this is when December 2016, after he's already won.

00:12:40.000 Yeah, he just, you know, he kind of sucks up to him, doesn't get it.

00:12:43.000 And then, of course, you know, runs for Senate later. 0.83

00:12:45.000 I'm like, I'm going to execute Trump's agenda, but then I'm also going to vote to impeach him over a Ukraine phone call.

00:12:51.000 But I really want to fixate on that phoniness thing because there's another great part of this Atlantic profile where it talks about, you know, Romney considered, you know, this protest run for the presidency in 2024.

00:13:04.000 And then the reason he doesn't do it is because it might, you know, if he runs, it might prevent a Democrat from winning.

00:13:08.000 By the way, Romney's a Republican, allegedly.

00:13:10.000 And it says here, Romney relished the idea of running a presidential campaign in which he simply said whatever he thought without regard for the political consequences. 1.00

00:13:21.000 I must admit, I'd love being on the stage with Donald Trump and just saying, that's stupid. 1.00

00:13:26.000 Why are you saying that? 0.99

00:13:27.000 He nursed a fantasy in which he devoted an entire debate to asking Trump to explain why in the early weeks of the pandemic, he'd suggested that Americans inject bleach as a treatment for COVID-19, which Trump didn't actually do.

00:13:40.000 But we'll set that aside for a moment.

00:13:42.000 Let's get to the thing. 0.99

00:13:43.000 Romney, if you ran for president saying whatever you actually thought and saying, that's stupid, why did you say that? 0.99

00:13:49.000 If you'd run like that in 2012, you probably would have become president because that is literally what Donald Trump did in 2016. 0.99

00:13:55.000 And it allowed him to become president.

00:13:57.000 He was as, you know, there was nothing fake about Trump.

00:14:01.000 Trump was like pure id as a candidate.

00:14:04.000 And that is so much of what made him so magnetically appealing.

00:14:07.000 And it's so hilarious to read Mitt Romney complaining that he's like, why is JD Vance such a fraud?

00:14:13.000 Why is Josh Hawley such a fraud?

00:14:16.000 By the way, I wish I could run for president without being a huge fraud like I was in 2012.

00:14:21.000 Because think about it, right?

00:14:22.000 He spent his entire life trying to achieve his father's goal.

00:14:28.000 So George Romney, who of course tried to run for, tried to run for president, failed.

00:14:33.000 Former governor of Michigan tied into the audio industry very, very cutely.

00:14:37.000 So the idea was that Mitt Romney, and what he's really lamenting here, think about it.

00:14:44.000 This guy has waited very much like Hillary Clinton, by the way, because all the way back to her sophomore year of college, she knew she was going to be president when she's back at Wiesalian.

00:14:54.000 And Romney was doing the exact same thing.

00:14:57.000 He's been structuring and tailoring and being very careful about every movie made and every step and every comment and every quote, even his little 47% that'll never vote for me, kind of quote, all of these things all the way up trying to project the perfect image.

00:15:14.000 And then along comes a guy like Trump who throws all those quote-unquote rules of the road out the window and the people embrace him for it because they love the authenticity, even if they don't always agree with the things that he's saying.

00:15:29.000 I think there's a sheer level of resentment there that a guy can just come along and break all the rules and then achieve more success.

00:15:38.000 At the end of the day, Mitt Romney at this point, okay, so he's a one-term governor of Massachusetts, a one-term senator of Utah, which last time I checked is a different state than Massachusetts, and a failed presidential candidate.

00:15:51.000 Mitt, you're never going to be on the big list, Willard.

00:15:55.000 You're never going to be even on the VP list.

00:15:59.000 You are going to be, you're not even going to be a footnote.

00:16:01.000 You're going to be a dingleberry to a footnote on history.

00:16:05.000 You know, Jack, I love that point because in this same article, it talks about how he got all these private messages from senators like Mitch McConnell.

00:16:13.000 Like, I wish I could say exactly what you're saying.

00:16:15.000 That's, it shows that Mitt Romney is feeding this biographer lines to pump himself up.

00:16:24.000 He's like, I got all these text messages from these people saying they wish they could be as unfettered in their criticisms of Trump as I am.

00:16:31.000 Right, Mitt.

00:16:31.000 And so let's do it.

00:16:33.000 So, but what's the point you're making is that he resents Trump because Trump is unfettered in everything.

00:16:33.000 Yeah.

00:16:40.000 And now Mitt's trying to slide in there and be like, I'm the real like, you know, truth teller here. 0.81

00:16:45.000 It's totally jealousy.

00:16:46.000 It's total revenge.

00:16:48.000 It's probably for being snubbed for not winning, for Trump winning and him not winning.

00:16:53.000 He finds him a gross ogre that gets all the things that he really deserved.

00:16:57.000 And it's just, it's just beautiful.

00:16:59.000 But here's the real takeaway from this is that he's now saying, I'm not running.

00:17:06.000 It's time for the old guard to get out of the way.

00:17:08.000 We need some new fresh blood.

00:17:10.000 But if you look one level deeper, you then see reporting that says he entertained a third-party run as president, something he fantasizes about still.

00:17:19.000 But Blake and Jack, why did he not run?

00:17:24.000 Because he realized it would help get Donald Trump elected.

00:17:28.000 That's the big bingo. 1.00

00:17:30.000 The whole kit and caboodle is right there.

00:17:30.000 That's it.

00:17:33.000 He would rather not run so that a Democrat can continue being in the White House than to allow a conservative populist candidate like Donald Trump to oust the Democrats from power.

00:17:46.000 Which, and by the way, we should probably tie this into, and I've been talking about this for the last two days now, but of course, the Washington Post finally catching up.

00:17:57.000 Joe Manchin weighing a run for president as an independent.

00:18:02.000 So right there, this is exactly what the no labels candidacy that I know Charlie's been really banging the drum about was all about finding candidates like a Manchin or a Romney to get in and then get on the ballot to hopefully or possibly prevent Trump from reaching that 270.

00:18:22.000 We had Richard Barris on the program and he raised a pretty insightful point.

00:18:26.000 He said, if you do something like this, you run the risk of not hurting Trump, but actually hurting Biden in key states that, yeah, they may not be normally toss-up states, but look at a state like Minnesota that has very similar demographics to a Michigan or a Wisconsin.

00:18:45.000 If you split the Biden vote, if you split even any sizable portion of the Biden vote, then you got another Cornell West who might be on the ballot as well.

00:18:54.000 Trump could actually, or potentially expand his map and turn those states that we think of as nominally blue into battleground states under this scenario.

00:19:06.000 And it's a great point.

00:19:08.000 Since Tyler's not here, he's made this point to us separately, Tyler Boyer.

00:19:13.000 He's brought up like the biggest obstacle to this working is actually their own vanity and that they can't really collaborate with each other.

00:19:20.000 Because he's pointed out the way you could actually make it so a state is like you, let's say they wanted to run Romney for president.

00:19:28.000 The way you could make Romney actually damage Trump is you'd have to have Biden not running Utah.

00:19:33.000 You'd just be like, you're not going to win Utah.

00:19:35.000 Don't even bother.

00:19:35.000 And then you only have Romney and Trump, and you get every single Democrat to vote for Romney.

00:19:40.000 And then maybe you get a few crossover Republicans, and maybe you upset in the state.

00:19:44.000 Or on the flip side, maybe in, you know, you could do this in Minnesota or any number of states.

00:19:51.000 But then you'd have to be like, we are entirely running our campaign to stop Trump, which means we're deliberately running to try to throw it to the House or something.

00:20:00.000 And they just, they can't collaborate to that degree to pull it off.

00:20:03.000 And instead, you just get these weird, fanciful, like, oh, we're going to, we're going to start a new political.

00:20:09.000 So I get it.

00:20:10.000 So you're saying like, find, take a state like that you know you're going to lose, right?

00:20:13.000 That you know Biden's going to lose.

00:20:15.000 Like, okay, so Utah, where else?

00:20:17.000 Like Kansas, Nebraska could be one of those maybe Missouri.

00:20:21.000 You take all those states and then you throw up this.

00:20:23.000 This, by the way, is sort of a rehash of the Evan McMuffin, aka Evan McMuffin strategy from 2016, where they ran him to thinking that he could block that he could block Trump in Utah.

00:20:37.000 He ended up doing fairly well in Utah.

00:20:40.000 But of course, it was a complete failure nationwide.

00:20:42.000 This is the CIA total hack who was running.

00:20:45.000 So what you're saying is, or what Tyler's strategy, I remember him saying this the other day, was that you would then have the Democrats not run a candidate in that state with the hope being that it would essentially neutralize those votes.

00:20:59.000 Of course, the trouble being then you'd have to make sure that you could own up your votes in the other areas.

00:21:04.000 But hey, if you're not campaigning in these states, then maybe that's money and resources that you can spend in the battlegrounds.

00:21:10.000 Yeah.

00:21:11.000 And it's also unpredictable at that point.

00:21:13.000 The funny thing is, is we have had a presidential election that worked like that.

00:21:17.000 It was one of the ones in the 1800s.

00:21:18.000 I can't remember which one, but the Whig party ran four different candidates in different regions of the country to try to just throw the election to the House.

00:21:28.000 And I think, I can't remember if they were going against James K. Polk.

00:21:32.000 It was one of those, you know, one of those guys before the Civil War.

00:21:34.000 And it was just a total disaster in the end, because it turns out if you're running on such a cynical ploy of we're just trying to throw it to the house and we're not like really playing to win the election outright, that's such a message of weakness.

00:21:48.000 It's a, you know, we don't believe in ourselves.

00:21:50.000 We don't believe in our ability to build a winning coalition.

00:21:53.000 We just really believe in stopping the other guy.

00:21:55.000 And I could just easily see that blowing up in their face if that's what they attempt.

00:22:01.000 No, I leave it right there.

00:22:03.000 I think Mitt sees the writing on the wall.

00:22:05.000 I think he's blackpilled.

00:22:06.000 I think he's out of it.

00:22:07.000 But don't count him out, folks, because Serpentinus Willardus, as I called him, is a snake.

00:22:15.000 And snakes always turn up underfoot when you least expect them.

00:22:22.000 We know that Charlie is on his way soon, but I did want to move over to the second topic if we can, because Hunter Biden finally indicted for something at least in this case.

00:22:34.000 We've got Hunter Biden.

00:22:35.000 We're going to go out of order just a little bit, guys.

00:22:37.000 It's all right.

00:22:38.000 I'll run to the next one.

00:22:38.000 We'll be okay.

00:22:40.000 Hunter Biden being indicted.

00:22:42.000 Take two.

00:22:43.000 This time around, he's not indicted.

00:22:45.000 Oh, this isn't the tax stuff.

00:22:47.000 This is nothing on the laptop.

00:22:49.000 This is, well, sort of, it indirectly involves the laptop, and I'll explain why.

00:22:53.000 This is lying to the ATF, lying to federal agents, three counts of fraud.

00:22:58.000 This is the ATF form when Hunter Biden purchased that firearm.

00:23:02.000 And when everyone purchases a firearm, you have to make a declaration to the ATF, federal authorities, that you were not on hard drugs.

00:23:12.000 Well, we've got a copy of a laptop.

00:23:14.000 I've got a copy of the laptop sitting right here next to my desk.

00:23:17.000 And guess what?

00:23:18.000 I got a lot of proof that Hunter Biden was definitely on hard drugs the entire time that he had that gun.

00:23:24.000 And this is even prior to him losing it in a fight with his mistress, his ex, His deceased brother's ex-wife, uh, that he was hooking up with, that she took it away from him, probably smart, by the way.

00:23:40.000 One of the smartest things that she did, took the gun away from him and tossed it in the trash can outside of a supermarket.

00:23:49.000 So he was obviously lying to the ATF, and he has now been charged with this.

00:23:54.000 Now, the real question isn't why he was charged, but I think the interesting question is: why is he being charged now?

00:24:00.000 And I really do think that him being charged out, because keep in mind, we've known about this for years at this point.

00:24:06.000 I think he's being charged now because that plea deal fell through, and because just in general, you're starting to see some movement within the party, within the administration, even to sort of put pressure on Joe Biden and the Biden family themselves.

00:24:24.000 I think they're under a lot of pressure right now.

00:24:27.000 You're already seeing the New York Times, the Washington Post drop concurrent op-eds this week calling for the ouster essentially of Joe Biden from office, saying he shouldn't run again.

00:24:38.000 Now, all of a sudden, his son is being indicted.

00:24:40.000 The Republicans are over here talking impeachment.

00:24:42.000 Kevin McCarthy out there talking impeachment, talking criminal behavior.

00:24:46.000 And so, there's a lot of pressure that's going on to the Bidens right now, and all of it really being the linchpin of Hunter Biden.

00:24:55.000 All right.

00:24:56.000 So, go for it, Andrew.

00:24:58.000 I'm going to, yeah. 0.97

00:24:59.000 So, here's the real thing that here's the real thing that our audience needs to be aware of: is that Weiss is a proven crook, in my opinion. 0.53

00:25:09.000 He's U.S. Attorney Delaware, now the special counsel.

00:25:13.000 Everybody in the, if you read NBC, Politico, whatever, they always say Trump appointed.

00:25:18.000 Trump loves to remind this.

00:25:20.000 I didn't appoint him.

00:25:21.000 I guess technically he did, but it was by way of recommendation called a blue slip, two Democrat senators, yeah, that basically make their recommendation.

00:25:31.000 Okay, right.

00:25:32.000 So, Weiss has been in the Biden pocket for a long, long time, part of that Delaware machine.

00:25:38.000 Biden's been in power for 40 plus years.

00:25:41.000 So, here's what people need to understand: that if he, because he is under investigation, that this sort of rescues Hunter from testifying before Congress, right?

00:25:58.000 There's a couple different ways this could play out because he can just say that, hey, I'm under investigation.

00:26:04.000 I can't now testify before Congress.

00:26:08.000 That's not the way this works.

00:26:10.000 So, a couple of different ways.

00:26:11.000 Let me get back to the starting point here.

00:26:13.000 President Biden can't pardon Hunter, right?

00:26:16.000 Politically, it would be disastrous.

00:26:18.000 But also, if that happens, then Hunter could not plead the fifth.

00:26:22.000 So, right now, he can say, I can plead the fifth if he gets brought before Congress.

00:26:26.000 I'm pleading the fifth, I'm pleading the fifth, and refuse to testify before Congress.

00:26:31.000 So, his Fifth Amendment protections would also disappear if Weiss gives Hunter a plea agreement with a prosecution waiver or some other immunity.

00:26:40.000 So, as soon as you put Hunter in an immune from anything box, he no longer can plead the fifth.

00:26:48.000 You could subpoena him right away before Congress, and boom, he has to talk or else he's going to be putting himself at risk.

00:26:55.000 But as long as he is under investigation, as long, I mean, this guy's never going to see jail time, never going to go to prison.

00:27:01.000 As soon as he has immunity of any sort, a plea deal of any sort, any sort, he's under the gun.

00:27:08.000 He has to testify.

00:27:09.000 But as long as they keep dragging this out until 2025, if Joe Biden's re-elected, if that's that's the game they're playing, then Joe Biden will pardon him or some other, he'll get community service, something else like this.

00:27:22.000 So, the audience needs to understand this is all about protecting Joe Biden and protecting Hunter to insulate Joe Biden.

00:27:32.000 Blake, what'd you take?

00:27:33.000 I think it's probably, I think it's easy to overanalyze these things.

00:27:36.000 You know, like we were asking, like, why did they do it now?

00:27:38.000 Well, okay, well, it's because they had, you know, a plea deal that got blown up because it was a huge attempt to just, you know, put the whole thing under the rug.

00:27:48.000 It was a corrupt plea deal.

00:27:50.000 It was a corrupt party, of course.

00:27:51.000 Of course, it was a corrupt party.

00:27:52.000 I mean, now this is less corrupt.

00:27:55.000 And I think there is a lot of cynicism on the right.

00:27:58.000 Certainly, we've heard Charlie opine on that that this doesn't matter.

00:28:03.000 Well, I mean, it is like these are felony charges.

00:28:05.000 They do carry a maximum time in prison, I think, of like 15 years or something like that.

00:28:10.000 If you stack them all, he won't get that, of course.

00:28:12.000 But, you know, these are real charges that they were avoiding bringing against him before.

00:28:17.000 And these charges don't preclude charging him for anything else.

00:28:20.000 And I think, you know, we have reason to be happy with that.

00:28:23.000 We have taken something they tried to first completely scuttle in the 2020 election.

00:28:27.000 And they, you know, they managed to probably get Joe Biden elected president, but they didn't manage to completely destroy the story.

00:28:33.000 They had to admit the laptop was real.

00:28:35.000 Then we forced them to bring charges against Hunter when they previously were trying to not do that.

00:28:42.000 Then they have to throw out their plea deal and they have to do this.

00:28:44.000 Like we're showing signs of progress here.

00:28:47.000 At a minimum, we're forcing them to talk about everything that's in it.

00:28:50.000 They have to come up with excuses for why it doesn't matter.

00:28:53.000 They have to deal with all of these whistleblowers who didn't exist six months ago.

00:28:57.000 It is a situation that is gradually getting worse for them.

00:29:01.000 And, you know, I don't think we want to just howl that the entire thing is, you know, Democrats doing four-dimensional chess.

00:29:07.000 Now, whether they're going to try to exploit this to shove Biden aside, if they might be trying to exploit this to shove Biden aside, or some people will.

00:29:15.000 I think it's important to remember Democrats have factions within their party just as much as conservatives do.

00:29:21.000 That's exactly my point.

00:29:22.000 That's exactly my point.

00:29:24.000 You're seeing factional infighting now.

00:29:27.000 That's why there's leaks coming out on Obama.

00:29:30.000 That's why Gavin Newsom, of course, is chomping at the bit.

00:29:33.000 Hillary Clinton suddenly reappearing.

00:29:35.000 Gavin Newsom makes that statement saying, well, I think that Kamala Harris is the natural successor to Joe Biden when he asked if he's going to run, right?

00:29:44.000 But think about what he's actually doing.

00:29:46.000 This guy's, Gavin Newsom is a very shrewd operator.

00:29:49.000 What he's doing is he's tying Kamala Harris to Joe Biden.

00:29:55.000 And he's essentially saying that if we're going to, you're seeing a preview of what actually sounds like a primary candidate attack.

00:30:01.000 Think of all the stuff that we're seeing on the Republican side right now, these sort of like thinly veiled attacks.

00:30:07.000 So he's basically saying the failures of Joe Biden are tied directly to Kamala Harris.

00:30:12.000 And if she tries to run, that he will tie her to them.

00:30:16.000 So even though it sounds like he's building her up, I think what he's subtly doing is actually burying her.

00:30:22.000 It's awesome.

00:30:25.000 So, so I mean, Blake, if you have a point, I wanted to make up.

00:30:30.000 I think we have Charlie here now.

00:30:32.000 So, oh, do we?

00:30:33.000 Is he joining us?

00:30:35.000 All right.

00:30:35.000 Let me listen while they go.

00:30:37.000 I've just been wondering what he was going to call us.

00:30:40.000 No, no, go ahead, Andrew.

00:30:42.000 All right, let's go ahead and play Cut 67.

00:30:47.000 So I asked our team, our video team, to pull the closest thing that came to a denial that he was going to run from this Chuck Todd, Gavin Newsome interview.

00:31:00.000 And I'm going to play it for the audience to see what you guys think.

00:31:03.000 Is this a denial?

00:31:04.000 I certainly don't think it is.

00:31:06.000 I think this is slick, slippery Gavin Newsom not answering the question.

00:31:10.000 Play Cut 67.

00:31:12.000 And am I supposed to interpret that comment about the vice president that if for some reason the president chose not to run at this point, everybody rallies around her?

00:31:19.000 It's the Biden-Harris administration.

00:31:20.000 That's maybe a more old-fashioned.

00:31:23.000 Maybe I'm a little old-fashioned about presidents and vice presidents.

00:31:27.000 I was a lieutenant governor, so I'm a little subjective.

00:31:31.000 All right.

00:31:32.000 So that's him basically saying, hey, no, Camela will be up next because he cannot be seen to be usurping a woman of color in the power echelon and the Democrat Party.

00:31:46.000 So it's very fascinating.

00:31:48.000 He didn't deny it, which I think is interesting.

00:31:49.000 But here, I'm going to make one final point.

00:31:51.000 And then, Charlie, I want you to take it away.

00:31:53.000 Here's the final point.

00:31:54.000 Mike Davis, Article 3 Project, is making this point on Twitter.

00:31:58.000 He's saying, why don't you just grant immunity right now to Hunter Biden?

00:32:06.000 Just give it to him because getting Joe Biden is much more consequential than some crackhead son.

00:32:11.000 It's an interesting take.

00:32:12.000 I don't think a lot of our audience would be happy about that.

00:32:14.000 They want to see Hunter behind bars. 0.96

00:32:16.000 But if you do that, then you trot his butt right before Congress. 0.85

00:32:20.000 You make him testify he can't plead the fit. 0.97

00:32:22.000 It's an interesting, interesting strategy.

00:32:24.000 All right, Charlie.

00:32:27.000 No, it's definitely interesting.

00:32:28.000 Sorry, I was having just the tech thing here.

00:32:30.000 So great to be here, guys.

00:32:32.000 It's good to know that you guys can carry the show.

00:32:35.000 Without me, I had full faith, and you guys have been doing a great job.

00:32:38.000 Yeah, there's a lot of takeaways here.

00:32:40.000 Is Gavin going to be, you know, are they going to replace Joe Biden with Gavin?

00:32:45.000 I think it's important, and I said this earlier in our program, that it's worth repeating, things are not going very well.

00:32:51.000 All is not well in the Democrat circles right now.

00:32:54.000 And whether it be the one that I want to really emphasize, though, that we've been playing kind of just for fun over the weekend is the smart guys really felt like this Republican primary was going to be competitive.

00:33:04.000 The experts thought that this would be a close Republican primary.

00:33:08.000 And I'd love to spend some time on that one because I think that that is an important one.

00:33:14.000 I know, Jack, you agree, is because I think if they thought that the Republicans were going to beat themselves up and fight amongst themselves, then there was going to be an opening for all the lawfare to work.

00:33:27.000 So, Jack, let's start with that one.

00:33:29.000 The fact that Donald Trump is so convincingly up in the primary has been one of the false predictions of the regime in this political year of 2023.

00:33:39.000 Jack, why don't you riff on that for a second?

00:33:42.000 Right, Charlie.

00:33:44.000 And that's why I think it's so funny because I remember having these conversations behind the scenes with strategists, with pollsters, with consultants, people telling me, oh, these indictments are going to come.

00:33:55.000 Trump is going to drop like a rock in the polls.

00:33:58.000 He's going to knock himself out of the race.

00:34:00.000 The independents won't go for this.

00:34:02.000 They won't stand for it.

00:34:03.000 And I remember kind of scratching my head saying, yeah, I see how you guys could think that, but I just don't think that's going to be the case.

00:34:13.000 I think people are going to say these indictments are political.

00:34:17.000 These polite, these indictments are fake.

00:34:21.000 They're trumped up charges, right?

00:34:23.000 Pun intended, obviously.

00:34:25.000 And they are going to have a backlash whereby you will actually see independents, centrists, and moderates, maybe even people that weren't for Trump in 2020, actually start to take another look at him because they will see every institution completely turned against him.

00:34:43.000 That's actually been the difference here.

00:34:46.000 Also, you just have this complete crater of a campaign by Ron DeSantis, which has now actually hurt his standing.

00:34:55.000 Really, just politically, all political capital that he's had is gone.

00:34:59.000 It's completely gone at this point.

00:35:02.000 And we're not sure even what his political future will be going from here.

00:35:06.000 But at the same time, the real big, I think, blinking light, the system blinking red for the Democrats right now is that if you go to real clear politics and you look up the average, the national average, not just for the primary, Charlie, but for the general Trump Biden, Donald Trump is currently leading for, as far as I know, the first time ever in his entire political history,

00:35:36.000 leading in the general election against the Democrat.

00:35:40.000 It's only by about half a point, but you've never actually seen him up in the real clear politics average.

00:35:47.000 As of today, he is now beating Joe Biden in the national popular vote.

00:35:55.000 It's really remarkable.

00:35:56.000 So let's go through this list.

00:35:57.000 I think it's important.

00:35:59.000 So just to kind of remind people, the whole idea of DeSantis and this primary evaporating is not helpful to the Democrat algorithm.

00:36:07.000 The awful polling with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, the Hunter impeachment, but then let's kind of get to the Mitt Romney no labels thing.

00:36:14.000 Anyone can chime into this.

00:36:15.000 Blake, Andrew, smart money is that Joe Manchin and or Mitt Romney or so coalition is going to run a splinter strategy here.

00:36:24.000 None of this was supposed to happen in 2023.

00:36:28.000 So Blake, kind of lead us through this.

00:36:31.000 Do you think we're going to see some competitive by competitive, I mean marginal defining third party candidates running for office?

00:36:39.000 Blake.

00:36:39.000 I mean, it always feels like such narcissism when they talk about these things.

00:36:42.000 It feels like every four years, they're like, this is the year we're going to have this like real third party that takes off.

00:36:48.000 And really, the third party that took off was Donald Trump.

00:36:52.000 And he just took over a major party because he was so successful at it.

00:36:54.000 He's like, I'm going to take the Ross Perot energy of the 90s, mix in a little of the, you know, the Pat Buchanan energy and a little, some little normal Republican stuff and just take over major party.

00:37:06.000 He is the winning third party.

00:37:07.000 But will we see a third party run?

00:37:11.000 I think we could because there is this real sense that, as you say, the machine is breaking down, that they had this intent that, you know, we could use 2023 to set things up so that 2024 is just this walkover, you know, the election on autopilot.

00:37:27.000 They thought, you know, Donald Trump, he does, you know, he focuses a lot on his own affairs.

00:37:31.000 So if we indict him, he'll like totally implode, obsess over his criminal cases, forget all about the national election.

00:37:38.000 He'll get totally derailed in this primary.

00:37:40.000 And they just thought they could set everything up so it would all line up and there's no competitive race whatsoever.

00:37:46.000 And instead, that plan is cracking apart.

00:37:49.000 And what's very funny is, you know, what none of them were banking on, clearly none of them were actually making any plan on will win because Joe Biden will have a successful presidency that people want another four years of.

00:37:59.000 Nobody was banking on that.

00:38:01.000 They were just banking on we can make it so that Trump falls apart.

00:38:04.000 They aren't able to mount an effective campaign.

00:38:06.000 We, you know, we have ballot harvesting.

00:38:08.000 We have mail-in voting.

00:38:10.000 We have the machine set up to be so slick and efficient that it's just impossible to have a competitive race, no matter how disastrous things are by 2024.

00:38:18.000 And instead, they're getting caught off guard by shocker.

00:38:21.000 It turns out that when the walls were closing in on Trump, he was not actually beaten forever, only the 50th time that's happened.

00:38:28.000 And then on top of that, the Biden administration is even more of a mess than they were originally anticipating.

00:38:35.000 You know, inflation might be coming back again.

00:38:38.000 We see gas prices getting more expensive.

00:38:40.000 The Ukraine war seems to be going really badly again.

00:38:44.000 And, you know, so that could be Afghanistan 2.0 by next year, where this thing just turns into a total disaster. 1.00

00:38:51.000 And there's so many things going awry.

00:38:53.000 And then, on top of that, Joe Biden has sort of burned a lot of his credibility with the left, which they thought would be fine.

00:38:58.000 And instead, they have Cornell West, a person that if you're on the left, you've actually heard of.

00:39:03.000 He's running for president.

00:39:05.000 He's not, you know, he's not won over by all these things that, well, if you run, you're going to let Trump get elected.

00:39:10.000 He's biting that bullet and saying, I don't care.

00:39:13.000 And if enough Democrats are willing to say that, they're in a lot of trouble next year.

00:39:19.000 So, two things on this.

00:39:21.000 I think it's really interesting.

00:39:22.000 I want to play this Debbie Dingle clip 35.

00:39:25.000 So if you can get that ready, she's saying that Trump could win Michigan.

00:39:30.000 So one of the interesting things, and Charlie, you made a great point earlier this week where you kind of tied it into that.

00:39:37.000 Oh, what's the document?

00:39:38.000 Moore.

00:39:38.000 I'm just playing it.

00:39:39.000 What's his name?

00:39:42.000 Who's the documentary?

00:39:43.000 Michael Moore.

00:39:44.000 Michael Moore.

00:39:45.000 I was like, Russell Moore, David Moore.

00:39:47.000 Okay.

00:39:47.000 Michael Moore.

00:39:49.000 So Trump has this unparalleled ability, at least within the Republican Party, of winning those Rust-belt states, those upper Midwest states.

00:39:58.000 Yeah, it didn't work out in 2020, but it was close, razor-thin.

00:40:02.000 And we're talking 50,000 votes across three states.

00:40:05.000 All right.

00:40:06.000 So here's what's interesting.

00:40:08.000 You put Cornell West in as a third party in these states.

00:40:12.000 He's peeling two to three points off of the Democrat ticket, and he doesn't care.

00:40:18.000 But what's interesting here, and we've talked about this before, is, and I think it's a really interesting thought crime intrigue.

00:40:25.000 Is this a revenge tour on behalf of Bernie Sanders?

00:40:30.000 Is this a revenge tour on behalf of Bernie Sanders?

00:40:33.000 Bernie Sanders and Cornell West are very good friends.

00:40:38.000 Cornell West helped him write some of the Democrat platform heading into 2020.

00:40:43.000 That was like his consolation prize for Bernie Sanders getting screwed twice by the DNC.

00:40:48.000 So I think Cornell West is in it regardless.

00:40:51.000 He's already qualified for the ballot in Arizona and Florida.

00:40:54.000 He's working on getting those qualifying for the ballot in other states.

00:40:57.000 I think that the next one coming up is Nevada, October 15th.

00:41:01.000 He's got to get on before then.

00:41:02.000 I think he's going to do this.

00:41:04.000 I think he's going to play spoiler, at least in a number of these states.

00:41:07.000 I don't know if he'll get to the Jell Stein level in 2016, but it's very, very interesting.

00:41:12.000 And the Democrats simply did not predict in their algorithm that Trump was going to be this resilient with four indictments later.

00:41:21.000 They did not factor that in.

00:41:24.000 And I think we're going to see states like Michigan.

00:41:27.000 You're seeing the alarm bells go off, play cut 35.

00:41:31.000 We're heading into another presidential race.

00:41:34.000 If the election were held today in Michigan, do you think Donald Trump as a Republican nominee could beat President Biden as a Democratic nominee?

00:41:41.000 I'm going to look at you all right now.

00:41:43.000 Everybody says Michigan's a blue state.

00:41:45.000 Michigan is not.

00:41:47.000 It is purple.

00:41:48.000 It is a very competitive state.

00:41:50.000 And Donald Trump would do well in Michigan right now.

00:41:54.000 I'm not, the election's a year away.

00:41:56.000 We're at a very volatile time, but I'm not taking Michigan for granted.

00:42:00.000 And I'm going to say I've said that very strongly to many people.

00:42:05.000 Do you feel like the Biden team is taking Michigan for granted right now?

00:42:09.000 Should they be doing more already to try to shore things up?

00:42:15.000 Let's just say I think we've gotten their attention.

00:42:20.000 Powerful clip, I think.

00:42:22.000 And we actually do have this Russell Moore one.

00:42:25.000 I don't know if Charlie, do you want to like preface it a little bit?

00:42:28.000 Michael Moore.

00:42:28.000 What Russell Moore?

00:42:29.000 Russell Moore.

00:42:31.000 Michael Moore.

00:42:32.000 I don't know.

00:42:33.000 I don't know where it's like.

00:42:36.000 Apparently, yeah.

00:42:37.000 So, so Michael Moore has gone into irrelevancy in recent years, but in the Obama years, he was the ultimate, let's just say, before the internet was a thing, troll-not even.

00:42:50.000 This is a, you know, I don't even know if Charlie, were you in like grade school?

00:42:56.000 Yeah, no, I mean, he did.

00:42:57.000 Bowling for Columbine was his big one.

00:43:00.000 That was the one right after the Fahrenheit 9-11 is the Fahrenheit 9-11.

00:43:05.000 He was an awful book, by the way.

00:43:07.000 He did none of the research in that.

00:43:10.000 Yeah, he was like the Democrats' Hillbilly elegy.

00:43:14.000 So he is really the fact that Andrew doesn't even know his name is not an insult to Andrew at all because he's not in Zeitgeist.

00:43:21.000 Michael Moore's irrelevant, which is interesting.

00:43:22.000 And by the way, Michael Moore is one of a great example in politics of like when you get famous with Fat Man Energy and all of a sudden you become super skinny, like Al Sharp Bin or Mike Pompeo, it's like really weird.

00:43:33.000 Okay.

00:43:34.000 Same thing with Michael No.

00:43:36.000 As soon as Michael Moore started certain governors.

00:43:38.000 Yes, exactly.

00:43:40.000 Michael Moore started to lose weight.

00:43:41.000 It was really strange.

00:43:42.000 Okay.

00:43:42.000 So, and Michael Moore is actually way older than people think.

00:43:45.000 Oh, like just put that in the chat.

00:43:46.000 It's true.

00:43:47.000 Anyway, so, but Michael Moore, he is very in touch with the industrial rust belt.

00:43:52.000 He was kind of the ombudsman to the rust belt for the Democrat Party for years, always talking about, you know, fair trade and all these different things.

00:43:59.000 He was very similar to kind of what I would call the Garrison Keeler Democrat.

00:44:02.000 Michael Moore and Garrison Keiller were two of the more trendy, Midwestern-based Minnesota, Michigan-based Garrison Keeler from Mankato, Minnesota, and Michael Moore from Michigan.

00:44:15.000 Anyway, enough of that.

00:44:16.000 This is back from 2016.

00:44:18.000 Michael Moore warned about this.

00:44:19.000 This was a huge clip in 2016.

00:44:21.000 I remember I tweeted it at the time back in 16 and got a huge viral response.

00:44:26.000 PlayCut 71.

00:44:28.000 Because I know a lot of people in Michigan that are planning to vote for Trump.

00:44:32.000 Donald Trump came to the Detroit Economic Club and stood there in front of the Ford Motor executives and said, if you close these factories as you're planning to do in Detroit and build them in Mexico, I'm going to put a 35% tariff on those cars when you send it back and nobody's going to buy them.

00:44:56.000 It was an amazing thing to see.

00:44:59.000 No politician, Republican or Democrat, had ever said anything like that to these executives.

00:45:06.000 And it was music to the ears of people in Michigan and Ohio and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

00:45:15.000 Trump's election is going to be the biggest few ever recorded in human history.

00:45:24.000 And it will feel good.

00:45:31.000 So that clip was before the election, and he called it.

00:45:36.000 He called it as the FU election, and he called the blue wave crumbling.

00:45:40.000 Jack, bring us back in the time machine and connect it to today.

00:45:44.000 Well, so if you go back and look at where Michael Moore got his start, right?

00:45:51.000 He's the Mr. Flint, Michigan.

00:45:53.000 This is the same Flint, Michigan that lost their water supply under Barack Obama.

00:45:58.000 And if you watch his very first book, his very, very first, excuse me, his very first documentary, Roger and Me, what was it about?

00:46:07.000 It was all about the closing of the GM plans.

00:46:11.000 This is out in 1989, the closing of the GM plants in Flint, Michigan, the losing of jobs, the fact that they were sending all these jobs overseas, the outsourcing, the fact that they were destroying these American workers, destroying American societies, that they were gutting the entire Midwest.

00:46:31.000 And the whole thing, the crux of it is him trying to get an interview with the CEO of General Motors at the time, a guy by the name of Roger Smith.

00:46:40.000 So the name of the documentary is Roger and Me.

00:46:42.000 And he's just constantly, he's the guy who created the whole, and you see people do this every day now of standing around and running up to politicians or leaders or people in power with a microphone and a camera and sticking it in their face.

00:46:55.000 He was, Michael Moore was doing it before Alex Jones was doing it, long before Alex Stein was doing it now.

00:47:01.000 So many people, everybody does it in DC now, but Michael Moore actually was the first guy to do this on the big stage.

00:47:08.000 And so because of that, it really created an entire industry.

00:47:12.000 And so it's almost like he sort of had this tie-in with those populist working class roots that, of course, he completely lost when he became a multi-millionaire.

00:47:26.000 And he's very, very wealthy now.

00:47:29.000 And so that's why he just goes in for all the insane rush gatory and insanity full-on TDS.

00:47:34.000 But it does seem like there was this one moment, the addicts call it a moment of clarity, where right before the 2016 election, he basically described what was about to happen.

00:47:44.000 And then obviously what did happen on that day in November.

00:47:49.000 Blake, what, what, wait, what?

00:47:51.000 What do you need?

00:47:52.000 Oh, Jack, here, I got something to add.

00:47:54.000 So, here, bringing it back like full circle is the fact that we're talking about third-party candidates and how the margins are so tight.

00:48:03.000 And Jack, you made this point earlier that some of these marginal states that we think of marginally blue or whatever, you put Cornell West in there, you put conservative populist energy with Trump, the third-party candidacies are going to completely flip the Democrat machine algorithm.

00:48:19.000 And that is why you're seeing Washington Post, New York Times put out warning shots.

00:48:24.000 I think if we're going to play back to the Hunter-Biden second and this round two with the gun charges, if you're going to put a positive spin on it, it's because that's another shoe to drop.

00:48:38.000 That's another warning sign that Democrat operatives are saying, you know, we're pulling the alarm bells here.

00:48:44.000 Joe Biden, you really could lose.

00:48:46.000 Your odds of losing are now greater than your odds of winning.

00:48:49.000 And how did David Ignatius put it?

00:48:51.000 In the Washington Post, he said, if he's not good at saying no, in other words, Joe Biden is one of the most stubborn politicians you will ever meet.

00:48:58.000 This is time and time again the way people describe him.

00:49:01.000 He is stubborn.

00:49:02.000 And so now that he's in there, yeah, the machine wants him out, but he's stubborn.

00:49:06.000 He's not going to come willingly.

00:49:07.000 So they're going to have to start putting out these flares, these warning shots to get him to move.

00:49:12.000 And how did David Ignatius put it?

00:49:13.000 He said, you are at risk of ruining your greatest achievement, which was stopping Trump.

00:49:20.000 It was stopping Trump.

00:49:22.000 And now we're afraid this.

00:49:24.000 And David Ignatius, again, is the CIA spokeshole.

00:49:27.000 They want a press release written.

00:49:29.000 They go to David Ignatius.

00:49:30.000 So David Ignatius doing the bidding of the Intel agencies.

00:49:33.000 They know the dirt they have on Biden and they're saying, Hey, you were good for a purpose.

00:49:39.000 You've outlived that purpose.

00:49:41.000 You need to step aside.

00:49:42.000 So it's very interesting.

00:49:43.000 If you're going to look at Hunter Biden, you're going to tie in the third party.

00:49:46.000 You're going to tie in this Democrat algorithm.

00:49:48.000 I mean, that would be the glass half full.

00:49:50.000 I'm not sure.

00:49:51.000 I buy it with Hunter, but I certainly think these third-party candidates have them terrified.

00:49:57.000 Can I?

00:49:58.000 All right, let's get to the next segment here.

00:49:59.000 But for, yeah, sorry, Blake.

00:50:01.000 Sorry, Jake, Blake.

00:50:02.000 Jack, Jack, hold on one second.

00:50:03.000 Let's just, let's, you have a quick thought, Jack.

00:50:06.000 Yeah, just a quick thought.

00:50:07.000 This is from the epilogue of Roger and me.

00:50:10.000 And it's just, it just, you listen to it, and it sounds like something that Trump could say.

00:50:13.000 Michael Moore finally confronts the guy from General Motors and says, Mr. Smith, we just came from Flint where we filmed a family being evicted from their home the day before Christmas Eve, a family that used to work in the factory.

00:50:27.000 Would you be willing to come up with us to see what the situation is in Flint is like for those people.

00:50:32.000 Smith, I've been to Flint, and I'm sorry for those people, but I don't know anything about it.

00:50:36.000 Well, families are being evicted from their homes on Christmas Eve.

00:50:38.000 Listen, I'm sure General Motors didn't invict them.

00:50:41.000 You'd have to go talk to their landlords.

00:50:43.000 Well, they used to work for General Motors and now they don't work there anymore.

00:50:46.000 Sorry about that.

00:50:47.000 Could you come up to Flint with us?

00:50:48.000 I cannot come to Flint.

00:50:50.000 I'm sorry.

00:50:51.000 That's the Trump movement right there, right there.

00:50:57.000 Well said.

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00:52:04.000 Okay, Blake, tell us about the Virginia Hooker woman that is running for office. 0.93

00:52:11.000 All right. 0.86

00:52:12.000 So we got to set the stage here.

00:52:13.000 So Virginia has a House of Delegates, the former House of Burgesses.

00:52:18.000 They're a special state, so they get to hold their elections in odd-numbered years.

00:52:22.000 They're just like that for some reason.

00:52:25.000 So we're having an election in two months in Virginia.

00:52:28.000 The House of Delegates is very close.

00:52:30.000 I think it's 50 Republicans, 46 Democrats, and some open seats right now.

00:52:35.000 And very close.

00:52:37.000 Who wins that race is going to be very important for what Glenn Young is able to do in his last two years as governor.

00:52:45.000 It's going to be a big deal.

00:52:47.000 And in one of the tightest races in a district that is almost exactly 50-50, there's breaking news this week. 0.97

00:52:54.000 So there's a candidate named Susanna Gibson.

00:52:58.000 She is a nurse practitioner and the mother of two young children running in a highly competitive suburban Richmond district.

00:53:04.000 And she has a side job that was recently brought before public attention, which is that she and her husband have performed sex acts on camera for money on a pornographic website.

00:53:17.000 And now the entire world knows about it. 0.75

00:53:20.000 And the response of Democrats has been to replace her on the ballot.

00:53:24.000 I'm just kidding. 0.99

00:53:25.000 The response of Democrats has been to say that it is totally fine to do paid sex acts on camera and basically be a prostitute as long as you're a Democrat, I guess. 0.97

00:53:37.000 And so we have this headline right now in Politico. 0.95

00:53:42.000 So what if a candidate live-streamed sex acts with her husband, they leave out for money?

00:53:49.000 And that is what we're campaigning on in Virginia right now. 0.98

00:53:52.000 And so we may be on the brink of them successfully pulling that one off and taking politicians from merely figurative prostitutes to literal prostitutes. 0.69

00:54:03.000 You know, I remember a time when there was a rumor, a very, very nasty, pernicious, disgusting rumor of a certain tape about Donald Trump in Moscow in a hotel that was bandied about across the entire internet. 0.89

00:54:22.000 MSNBC had it for days.

00:54:24.000 Jake Tapper talked about it as if it was a serious thing.

00:54:28.000 And this certain particular tape involved a certain particular act in that Moscow hotel room.

00:54:37.000 And it turns out that it wasn't Donald Trump who was performing acts like that.

00:54:41.000 In fact, it was Democrat women that were performing those.

00:54:45.000 And they have actual tapes like that. 1.00

00:54:47.000 And in fact, you can pay them to perform them for you.

00:54:49.000 Interesting.

00:54:50.000 And they said interesting thing to note.

00:54:52.000 One of the details here is that there were acts they were doing that they had to take to a private room on this website that they were using.

00:55:01.000 So much of this basically became public because they were doing it on a website that literally anyone can visit.

00:55:08.000 And, you know, horned up porn addicts mean who they are.

00:55:12.000 They have created mirror websites that automatically record all of the videos on this live porn broadcasting website and they archive it so they can watch it later.

00:55:23.000 So a lot of the reporting, including from the New York Times, has talked about these videos being leaked onto the internet, which they're about as leaked as your average upload on YouTube is if someone shares a link for them.

00:55:35.000 As leaked as this show is.

00:55:36.000 Yeah, it's yeah, it's as leaked as this program is.

00:55:38.000 Yeah, if they cover this segment that we're doing, whoa, Media Matters just leaked what Charlie Kirk said on Rumble.

00:55:45.000 Oh my gosh.

00:55:48.000 I just want everyone to understand.

00:55:49.000 So the Virginia House of Delegates, it's a very competitive race here.

00:55:53.000 And there's a lot of outside money pro-abortion groups that flood into Virginia. 0.87

00:55:57.000 So this woman was definitely at some point sat down with a bunch of consultants, Susanna Gibson, and they said, okay, they're going to run attack ads against you, Susannah Gibson.

00:56:07.000 Tell us everything. 0.83

00:56:08.000 Tell us all the skeletons that you have in your closet. 0.99

00:56:12.000 And she was probably like, well, I think I have a couple unpaid parking tickets.

00:56:16.000 And I think I jaywalked a couple times.

00:56:19.000 And, well, tell us everything.

00:56:20.000 Anything that they might be able to.

00:56:22.000 And imagine the calculus in her head where either she didn't think this was a big deal or thinking this wouldn't come out, being like, oh, wait, you mean that the thing I do every Thursday night where we film with my husband having sex for money is not going to somehow, like, you know, come out in an opposition research file?

00:56:44.000 Like, this was not going to be made public.

00:56:47.000 Jack.

00:56:48.000 It's like a weekly Pilates class, except, you know, naked and in public.

00:56:53.000 So what's taking instructions?

00:56:53.000 Yeah.

00:56:55.000 And I'll say this: as a dad, you know, I can't help but feel bad for the kids.

00:57:02.000 They've, they have, uh, and you look on her website and she shows pictures of her children that are there, daughter and little boy.

00:57:09.000 They look, they look like great kids, looks like a happy family.

00:57:12.000 And you just feel bad knowing that this is, I'm sorry, but it is what it is.

00:57:17.000 You got to live in the world that those kids are going to be hit with this for the rest of their lives now.

00:57:22.000 So you've now ruined your children's lives because of this.

00:57:25.000 And because you're an artist, they will get divorced.

00:57:27.000 Because of your 100% interesting.

00:57:29.000 I don't wish it. 0.97

00:57:30.000 Yeah, they're definitely going to divorce.

00:57:32.000 All of that stuff is going to come out. 1.00

00:57:34.000 But the way they found her was because her username was actually Hot Wife Experience.

00:57:41.000 And Charlie, I wasn't sure.

00:57:42.000 Are you familiar with the term hot wifing?

00:57:44.000 Do you know what hot wifing is?

00:57:47.000 No.

00:57:48.000 So hot wifing, this is, it's a play on a military, a piece of military slang known as hot racking.

00:57:55.000 So in hot racking, that's when you're stationed at a garrison or like when I was in the Navy, this happens on the LA class attack sub sometimes when there's not enough birthing for everybody.

00:58:06.000 So you're, it basically means you're sharing a bed, right?

00:58:08.000 So, but at different, on different shifts.

00:58:10.000 So someone's on day shift, then the other person's sleeping.

00:58:12.000 Someone's on night shift.

00:58:13.000 They take turns.

00:58:13.000 You're hot racking.

00:58:15.000 So hot wifing is the same idea. 0.99

00:58:18.000 According to Urban Dictionary, hot wifing is a term where a hot wife is a woman whose husband likes to share her sexually with other men or likes to watch her have sex with other men and the wife enjoys pleasing her husband in this way. 0.99

00:58:34.000 This is different, supposedly, from cuckolding, wherein the husband is not a sub. 1.00

00:58:41.000 That's submissive.

00:58:42.000 Hot wifing supposedly does not involve the humiliation of any of the participants.

00:58:49.000 The section here, the couple spends most weekends hot wifing with men they met online.

00:58:55.000 So, just so everybody knows the truth.

00:58:57.000 Yeah, but that's that actually contradicts some of the reporting that I've seen.

00:59:01.000 So, so I guess he's quoted, the husband is quoted as saying in the live streams, it admitted that sometimes she quote unquote makes him allow her to have sex with other men.

00:59:13.000 So, that's interesting.

00:59:14.000 The other part of this that's really galling to me is the fact that she's now claiming she's the victim of a sex crime.

00:59:21.000 And she says she's working with local law enforcement to get to the bottom of this.

00:59:29.000 Yeah, working closely with state and federal law enforcement, says her lawyer, Daniel P. Watkins.

00:59:35.000 But it's always like revenge porn.

00:59:37.000 If you're sharing your wife, you're cocked. 0.97

00:59:39.000 Like, if you're if another man is sleeping with your wife, you're cocked.

00:59:43.000 Like, there's no way around that.

00:59:44.000 Sorry.

00:59:44.000 No, guys.

00:59:44.000 No, no, not at all.

00:59:45.000 Now, here's one last little piece.

00:59:47.000 Yeah, of course.

00:59:48.000 Here's one last little piece of irony of this, right?

00:59:51.000 We all remember the infamous P-tapes, the allegations that Trump was in a Russian hotel, you know, urinating on hotel beds or whatever.

01:00:02.000 This I found interesting.

01:00:04.000 She's quoted as saying in one of these videos, y'all can watch me pee if you tip me and give me some tokens.

01:00:12.000 So, you know, she hasn't cheated in about a week.

01:00:15.000 So I think if we give her some tokens, then maybe, you know, maybe we can get her up on Twitter.

01:00:20.000 You know, I actually looked up what the prices are for the tokens because it sounds a lot.

01:00:25.000 It's 500 tokens, 1,000 tokens.

01:00:28.000 But when you look it up, turns out 500 tokens is only equal to something like one of the articles had it.

01:00:32.000 I don't see it right now.

01:00:33.000 It said it was like 40 bucks.

01:00:35.000 40 bucks?

01:00:36.000 That's it?

01:00:38.000 Like, I give more into church every weekend.

01:00:41.000 You're paying 40 bucks and you're going to give away that?

01:00:43.000 Really?

01:00:44.000 I mean, listen, sweetheart, I think you could do a little better.

01:00:47.000 And you're probably going to have to now because I don't see any other way that you're going to be able to sustain yourself.

01:00:52.000 I mean, I think this is a vindication of the trust all women movement. 0.67

01:00:58.000 I want to flag. 0.64

01:00:59.000 I think we need to hook her up with Andrew Tate. 0.99

01:01:01.000 You've got to be careful with the word hooking up there. 0.97

01:01:04.000 One of the things I really want to flag again in this politico headline, the one that says, you know, who cares if our politicians are prostitutes? 1.00

01:01:12.000 It's politicians have always pushed society's sexual boundaries. 0.66

01:01:17.000 The next taboo is bound to fall soon.

01:01:20.000 Like, okay, like, how far are we going to go?

01:01:21.000 It's just like, we just need Politico to come out.

01:01:24.000 And it's just like, you know, so what if a candidate like commits incest?

01:01:28.000 So what if a candidate like is in a polycule?

01:01:31.000 So what if a candidate sold their child to like international pedophile rings?

01:01:35.000 Like, who has it?

01:01:36.000 It was the murder was a lot.

01:01:37.000 Those murders were a long time ago.

01:01:40.000 He served his debt to society.

01:01:42.000 Let him run.

01:01:44.000 Come on.

01:01:44.000 Didn't John Fetterman have like some double murderer on his staff at one point when he was running for Senate?

01:01:50.000 I mean, didn't Democrats take reforms?

01:01:52.000 I mean, Democrats took Ted Kennedy, who killed a girl that he was cheating on his spouse with, and they called him the conscience of the Senate.

01:02:00.000 They actually have called him that at some point.

01:02:02.000 And like, you know, one of the greatest senators to ever live.

01:02:05.000 So I guess it was rather inevitable we'd go from that to this.

01:02:09.000 And just it's all very galling.

01:02:11.000 One of the other lines they've taken is that, you know, this is the Republican effort to do it to silence women. 0.98

01:02:16.000 We're trying to silence women by saying that we don't like it when people are prostitutes. 0.98

01:02:22.000 Yeah, so let's make sure. 0.95

01:02:24.000 And if anyone disagrees, Blake, I know agrees.

01:02:26.000 I think Jack does. 1.00

01:02:26.000 She's a hooker. 1.00

01:02:28.000 And some people are saying, oh, no, she's a hooker. 1.00

01:02:30.000 Sex acts for cash. 1.00

01:02:31.000 Anyone disagree?

01:02:35.000 I don't disagree.

01:02:36.000 I completely agree.

01:02:37.000 Just because you're a digital doesn't mean you're not.

01:02:39.000 It's a shocking.

01:02:40.000 Yeah, it's a shocking word. 0.72

01:02:43.000 She's shocking. 1.00

01:02:45.000 She's a digital prostitute. 1.00

01:02:48.000 But yeah, I mean, it's not a word we use. 0.99

01:02:50.000 This is all fans people. 1.00

01:02:55.000 Half of the sorority girls at ASU with OnlyFans accounts are hookers. 0.97

01:02:59.000 So it's not that shocking of a word. 0.99

01:03:01.000 So if you sell your body for cash, though.

01:03:09.000 Wasn't ASU one of the number one schools on sugardaddies.com?

01:03:15.000 If not, it seems like they traffic entirely on the reputation.

01:03:21.000 Yeah, they call it the girlfriend experience, right?

01:03:24.000 Where you pay $1,000 to have a girlfriend experience?

01:03:27.000 It's like you just go to Kappa Kappa Gamma at ASU.

01:03:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:03:31.000 Those girls, they make a nice income. 1.00

01:03:34.000 Tax-free. 0.99

01:03:34.000 ASU is currently number four. 0.99

01:03:36.000 Temple University, my school is number three.

01:03:39.000 Number two is UCLA, and number one is NYU.

01:03:43.000 Just looked up for 2023.

01:03:45.000 For what?

01:03:46.000 OnlyFans income?

01:03:46.000 NYU?

01:03:47.000 No, that is.

01:03:48.000 No, that's for the top 10 sugar baby universities in the United States. 0.99

01:03:54.000 I don't.

01:03:54.000 That's according to sugarbook.com.

01:03:58.000 If you count like gay men as sugar babies, then NYU would be on the list. 1.00

01:04:03.000 But there's no way NYU comes even close to ASU. 0.99

01:04:08.000 That's a fake list.

01:04:11.000 Well, it could be that ASU is moving to, it could be that they're moving to other sites.

01:04:14.000 They may have some local sites.

01:04:16.000 They may have some.

01:04:17.000 They may just have ASU sugar babies set up.

01:04:19.000 We don't even know.

01:04:20.000 We might need to get someone to go undercover there to actually find out what's going on.

01:04:24.000 Also, how is UCLA?

01:04:26.000 Honestly.

01:04:27.000 How is UCLA beating USC in the Los Angeles area?

01:04:30.000 That's like, yeah, no.

01:04:31.000 I don't trust this website.

01:04:33.000 Hold on, hold on.

01:04:34.000 Hold on.

01:04:34.000 Andrew asked, now Andrew asked, what is a sugar baby?

01:04:38.000 So a maybe I don't want to know exactly.

01:04:44.000 Money for company.

01:04:45.000 No, I mean, I got it.

01:04:47.000 No, no, no.

01:04:48.000 It's no, no, no.

01:04:50.000 It's companionship.

01:04:53.000 It's no, sugar baby is even more than paying them to leave.

01:04:58.000 So it's the girlfriend experience. 0.99

01:05:00.000 It's the work. 1.00

01:05:00.000 I'm going to buy you. 1.00

01:05:01.000 I'm going to pay your tuition.

01:05:02.000 I'm going to pay for your rent.

01:05:05.000 I'm going to pay for basically whatever you want, wardrobe, whatever you want.

01:05:09.000 Total financial pampering, travel at times.

01:05:12.000 And then every once in a while, the sugar daddy, you know, gets what's coming to him.

01:05:17.000 I mean, the sugar baby is just a mistress.

01:05:19.000 Like, that's what it is.

01:05:20.000 It's just a mistress.

01:05:21.000 Yeah.

01:05:22.000 That's, yeah.

01:05:22.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:05:22.000 But is there like a website?

01:05:25.000 Is there a one?

01:05:25.000 Do you want to know?

01:05:26.000 There's several.

01:05:27.000 Okay.

01:05:28.000 That's why you, that's why you have a list.

01:05:30.000 Okay.

01:05:30.000 I get it.

01:05:31.000 I get it.

01:05:31.000 Oh, several.

01:05:33.000 But no, but a lot of these, a lot of these sorority girls at major state-run institutions who go to college, who don't actually study, they end up making OnlyFans accounts and sell their bodies for cash.

01:05:48.000 And then on the weekends, they'll dress up in very revealing, you know, type clothes and they'll go on a girlfriend experience with some hedge fund guy in Scottsdale at a nice steakhouse and get $2,000 for companionship.

01:06:04.000 Do you guys remember when OnlyFans tried to get rid of nudity and it just like completely, it completely backfired?

01:06:12.000 Didn't work at all.

01:06:13.000 Yeah.

01:06:14.000 Well, because they were reaching out to people to try to get them on to say, oh, you know, didn't they?

01:06:20.000 I think they reached out to James Lindsay at one point to try to get him to come on OnlyFans.

01:06:26.000 And he was like, well, what would I put up there?

01:06:28.000 And they were like, put up lectures.

01:06:29.000 And he goes, so would you want me to put up lectures like shirtless or something?

01:06:34.000 And they were like, oh, yeah, that'd be great.

01:06:35.000 And he said, oh, okay.

01:06:36.000 So there we go.

01:06:37.000 So even the, even the people there, when they tried to rebrand, they didn't know how to do.

01:06:42.000 All right.

01:06:44.000 I get it now.

01:06:46.000 No, but there are companies that, and it's been sued many times and criminally investigated as prostitution companies that are escort services, right? 0.94

01:06:55.000 That and they will go on dates with men, and they'll say, oh, you're just paying for the experience of the girl coming with you.

01:07:03.000 Okay, so let's, we have 15 minutes. 0.85

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01:08:07.000 Okay, I think we're going.

01:08:08.000 This is actually a great segue because we covered the Oliver Anthony thing a couple of weeks ago.

01:08:11.000 Jack Posobiec, is Oliver Anthony really revealing the person that you and I accused him of being a couple weeks ago?

01:08:18.000 Who is this guy, Jack Pesobic?

01:08:20.000 Charlie, this is a really shocking situation, I think, for a lot of people who are Oliver Anthony fans.

01:08:27.000 And look, I came out initially when I saw the video, I saw the song, I said, wow, great song.

01:08:32.000 I like it.

01:08:32.000 I love the steel guitar getting in there.

01:08:35.000 But then when he started giving these interviews, all of a sudden, it seemed to be a different voice that was coming out than the ones that wrote the words of that song.

01:08:44.000 And now we have a situation where, and I'll explain it in as short terms as possible: a show that he was planning to do with Cotton Eye Joe was canceled.

01:08:55.000 This was going to be at the Knoxville Convention Center in Tennessee.

01:08:57.000 It was going to be next week.

01:08:59.000 And he came out and canceled it and essentially said it was over high ticket prices.

01:09:05.000 And he said, Why are we canceling?

01:09:06.000 We're canceling over high ticket prices.

01:09:08.000 And he made a post essentially blaming the promoters for setting ticket prices too high.

01:09:17.000 However, the promoters at the convention center then came out with their own post saying, It's a dang shame what the world's gotten to for customers of the world famous Cotton Joe.

01:09:30.000 Many times we say a show has been canceled due to circumstances beyond our control.

01:09:35.000 Well, we are canceling the Oliver Anthony show under our full control.

01:09:40.000 And they are pointing out that the reason that the tickets went up is because Oliver Anthony had agreed for an hour-long show at $120,000 fee.

01:09:53.000 So they ran the math.

01:09:55.000 They said, Look, and I'm sorry, folks, but if you haven't run a public event before, and we all know that Charlie Kirk has run a million of these things, you just don't appreciate everything that goes into it.

01:10:08.000 The overhead, the size of the venue, the insurance, security, all of the little pieces, the moving parts, the vendors that you need to pay when you're running into these things.

01:10:18.000 And so you're basically saying, look, if this guy wants us to drop our ticket cost without dropping the cost that he's agreed to be paid when we come out from this thing, then what he's really trying to do is make us lose money on a contract that he's already made with us.

01:10:38.000 And of course, Oliver Anthony now has come back saying, Hey, I didn't know this, this isn't my fault.

01:10:44.000 This was a miscommunication.

01:10:46.000 But Charlie, I don't know.

01:10:48.000 And I know you've run a lot of events before.

01:10:50.000 I know you've dealt with situations like this.

01:10:52.000 I'd really interested to hear your read on it.

01:10:54.000 Yeah.

01:10:55.000 No, I'm not on Oliver Anthony's side because he produces noise, not music.

01:11:00.000 But beyond that, the part here that really bothers me, this is such, this is someone who is almost thinking like, I'm not saying is thinking like a trained Marxist that does not understand incentives, understand how markets work, quite honestly.

01:11:16.000 So here's a guy that comes in.

01:11:18.000 He's like, well, I demand $120,000.

01:11:20.000 That's not an unreasonable ask, by the way.

01:11:22.000 That's actually a pretty fair rate.

01:11:24.000 But simultaneously, I'm going to price control the tickets and I'm going to basically centrally plan and intervene with the person that is then going to run all the production.

01:11:34.000 And so they say, wait, what?

01:11:34.000 Hold on a second.

01:11:35.000 We have to charge a certain amount because there's facility costs, there's security, there's ticketing, there's AV, there's insurance.

01:11:42.000 Not easy, not cheap.

01:11:43.000 We're doing it literally right now.

01:11:45.000 So the equivalent would be, you know, some of the speakers that we pay, they don't get to come in and tell me what I get to charge.

01:11:50.000 Sorry, that's not, once I sign your contract and I pay you like once what we're agreed to, then, you know, you're, you're, you're done.

01:11:59.000 And in a good way, right?

01:11:59.000 Like we will pay you what we're agreed to do, and then we'll go from there.

01:12:03.000 You don't get to come in and all of a sudden call shots and be like, well, I want this to be a working class thing.

01:12:07.000 Well, then waive your fee, Oliver Anthony.

01:12:09.000 Waive your $120,000 fee, right?

01:12:11.000 Or do the show for free.

01:12:13.000 And so I'm completely on the side of the event organizers here.

01:12:16.000 These are hard to put on.

01:12:18.000 These are energy intensive.

01:12:20.000 These are risky, by the way.

01:12:21.000 I mean, for example, I don't know if this is planned to be an outdoor event, but if it was going to be an outdoor event, you know, bad weather could cancel the event.

01:12:28.000 You know, you could have traffic problems, parking problems.

01:12:30.000 I mean, just you guys know, ActCon, we had the Secret Service completely and totally, you know, obliterate our events and we had to deal with that.

01:12:39.000 You stay up all night in the days that lead up to it, right?

01:12:43.000 You're constantly dealing with customer service problems.

01:12:46.000 And as we run these events, right, you start to learn that the appreciation of putting them on is completely, it's not, you know, it's not lost on those of us that do it.

01:12:59.000 But I look at this Oliver Anthony thing and I, and I, I can't help but think that, you know, this, this guy's thinking like the very same people we were fighting, which is like a Marxist, which is he says, give me all my money, and then I'm going to price control the tickets for the rest of them.

01:13:14.000 So and that's answer, by the way.

01:13:17.000 That's a real Marxist, right?

01:13:18.000 Because a real Marxist isn't someone who's going to give away anything for free.

01:13:22.000 A real Marxist is going to get rich.

01:13:25.000 There's a John Lennon line where in this Playboy, famous Playboy interview that he gave before he was burdered, and they asked him a question about, you know, well, you sing all these songs about no possessions and no borders, and you know, but you've got, you know, multiple houses, you've got your penthouse in New York, you've got millions and millions of dollars.

01:13:46.000 You know, why don't you share any of your money?

01:13:48.000 And John Lennon responds to the interviewer and he says, well, no, that's different.

01:13:52.000 That's my money.

01:13:53.000 I earned that.

01:13:55.000 So I earned that money.

01:13:56.000 Yeah, so let me chime in.

01:13:57.000 Your money should be spread around.

01:13:59.000 Yeah, go ahead, Charlie.

01:14:01.000 There's going to be a delay.

01:14:02.000 It's very easy to be generous with other people's money, right?

01:14:05.000 So it's easy for Oliver Anthony to say the working class guy.

01:14:08.000 And now, in reality, he's actually depriving his fans from having a great experience to be able to see him because he wanted the price control and say, oh, you know, I think that this is, you know, this costs too much.

01:14:22.000 And so while he's railing against the rich men of, you know, the wealthy man north of Richmond or whatever his whole thing is, which I think there's some fair wisdom in his piece, it's honestly a very well-composed piece.

01:14:34.000 It just doesn't sound very good.

01:14:35.000 It's all about resentment.

01:14:37.000 And it's also, this is one of the reasons where we have to be very careful not to allow the destruction of markets just based on any sort of seed of resentment.

01:14:52.000 That this could have been an above-all winner for all people.

01:14:55.000 The event organizer could have won.

01:14:57.000 Oliver Anthony would have gotten paid.

01:14:59.000 People would have had a wonderful experience.

01:15:01.000 And said there's no event whatsoever.

01:15:02.000 And Oliver, I don't know, do we have this tape him of him now speaking out?

01:15:07.000 And he has no idea what he's talking about, honestly.

01:15:10.000 And so, by the way, why doesn't Oliver Anthony just go do a concert for free?

01:15:14.000 Why doesn't Oliver Anthony say such a cultural phenomenon?

01:15:17.000 Why doesn't Oliver Anthony just go to Richmond and go get a free speech permit with his guitar and just go give a free concert for the people, man?

01:15:28.000 Play cut 104.

01:15:30.000 I had to pull off on the side of the road and make this video.

01:15:33.000 I'm my adrenaline's pumping, man.

01:15:36.000 I'm pissed off right now.

01:15:38.000 Don't buy Cotton Eye Joe tickets for $99 a piece. 1.00

01:15:41.000 Insurance hell don't buy VIP passes for whatever bullshit price they're on. 0.99

01:15:46.000 I have a buddy of mine who's not a booking agent. 0.99

01:15:48.000 He's a friend of mine.

01:15:49.000 He's a full-time plumber.

01:15:51.000 And I'm trying to hire him full-time as my booking agent.

01:15:54.000 And he agreed to this show, I guess, without asking for what the ticket prices are.

01:16:00.000 Don't pay $100 for a ticket. 0.99

01:16:01.000 That's horseshit. 0.90

01:16:03.000 If we've got to cancel the venue and play somewhere else, we will. 0.98

01:16:07.000 I didn't agree to it, and I don't want you to pay it.

01:16:09.000 So please don't.

01:16:10.000 I'm just trying to get the word out now.

01:16:12.000 I don't know when the event got posted, but just wait, hold on a second.

01:16:18.000 Then why are you charging $120,000?

01:16:20.000 Do you understand any economics at all?

01:16:22.000 Why don't you just go do it for free?

01:16:24.000 So let me get this straight.

01:16:25.000 I want my $120,000, but don't go pay money to come here from me.

01:16:30.000 So go do it for free.

01:16:33.000 This is Bernie Sanders as a younger ginger with a long beard, is what this is. 0.95

01:16:38.000 Playing a banjo.

01:16:39.000 Banjo Ginger Bernie Sanders is what this is.

01:16:43.000 Screaming about, well, you know, this is BS prices.

01:16:46.000 $100 is actually a pretty mainstream ticket price in America, is actually what this is.

01:16:54.000 And he's saying, oh, no, don't pay this.

01:16:56.000 Again, Mr. Anthony, why don't you go get a free speech permit and go perform a free concert at Richmond if you're really a man of the people and you could have a little collection box and people would give you money because you want to get paid.

01:17:11.000 I have no problem with people getting paid.

01:17:14.000 What I do have a big problem with is people all of a sudden complaining that people want to pay you when you are charging to get paid and with zero understanding how multi-dimensional systems work.

01:17:31.000 Incentives, ticketing, promotion, insurance, all of it.

01:17:36.000 Okay, you guys can take it from there.

01:17:38.000 Or just on the flip side, the flip side of it, it's like, if you don't like a $100 price tag for a concert, there's a radical act that you can do.

01:17:49.000 Now, I want to prepare everyone who's about to say this, but don't go.

01:17:53.000 Don't go to the concert if it's too expensive to you.

01:17:55.000 Watch a recording on YouTube.

01:17:57.000 Go do something else.

01:17:59.000 Go to a movie.

01:18:00.000 Even a movie ticket will be like $30 because it's Biden's America now.

01:18:03.000 But just literally do anything else you want.

01:18:06.000 I mean, these tickets for like these rock people from the 60s that boomers like are all like $700 a piece now. 0.60

01:18:12.000 So $100 isn't even that expensive. 1.00

01:18:14.000 But it's all just, it's all just very stupid. 0.99

01:18:19.000 Well, listen, here's what stood out to me. 0.99

01:18:22.000 And hat tip to Cernovich for calling this out.

01:18:25.000 But if you read Oliver Anthony's tweet about it, he goes, Cotton Eye, it's very deceptive.

01:18:31.000 This is to Charlie's point, it's written totally like a Marxist.

01:18:35.000 Cotton Eyed Joe claims we are charging people $120,000 per show.

01:18:40.000 They have since turned their comment off, but I want to clarify.

01:18:44.000 The most I've ever made on a show is $35,000.

01:18:47.000 We've done two shows in North Carolina that were completely free and have another show, free show scheduled September 30, 23rd in Kentucky for a cancer benefit.

01:18:57.000 Cernovich's reply was amazing.

01:19:00.000 He says, Cotton Eyed Joe did not claim he's charging people $120,000 a show.

01:19:04.000 They said that's the deal they made.

01:19:06.000 Notice he did not deny that.

01:19:08.000 He deflects by mentioning other shows and free shows.

01:19:11.000 Irrelevant.

01:19:12.000 This is how they avoid the truth.

01:19:14.000 I totally, totally agree.

01:19:16.000 He doesn't deny it.

01:19:17.000 The event was canceled, so he didn't have to say I was going to get paid that much.

01:19:21.000 So now he's just, he's caught between a rock and a hard place.

01:19:24.000 And he can't even, because he thinks he has to be a man of the people.

01:19:28.000 Yeah, go ahead.

01:19:30.000 But no, I just want to say, I mean, how does he think that these events happen exactly if you demand $120,000?

01:19:36.000 This shows that Oliver Anthony is not a very smart person.

01:19:39.000 Okay.

01:19:40.000 How does he exactly think all the incentive structures were?

01:19:43.000 How do you rent the venue?

01:19:44.000 And by the way, you cannot and you will not do an event if you don't make money.

01:19:51.000 Okay, Jack told me to stop and lay off.

01:19:53.000 Jack said it's where Oliver Anthony has been properly handled.

01:19:58.000 No, here's the thing.

01:19:59.000 Here's the question.

01:20:00.000 You want to talk about the workers?

01:20:02.000 What about the people who work for the venue?

01:20:04.000 What about the bartenders?

01:20:06.000 What about the security guards?

01:20:08.000 What about the production crew?

01:20:10.000 Where do you think the money comes from, Oliver Anthony, Banjo Bernie?

01:20:15.000 Where do you think all the money comes from?

01:20:18.000 Okay.

01:20:18.000 It comes from the ticket holders.

01:20:21.000 It comes from the ticket buyers.

01:20:22.000 It comes from the people who, by the way, are willing to spend more to do a meet and greet with you, get a selfie with you, have you maybe record a little video with them or something.

01:20:33.000 That's where the money comes from to get all of those people.

01:20:39.000 It's not just about you, bro.

01:20:41.000 If you notice, every single video he makes, it seems to be about himself and talking about how I'm for the people.

01:20:46.000 I'm for the people.

01:20:48.000 But it's really not about the people because you wouldn't actually take the time to understand how any of these productions work or have even a little bit of just humility, just basic humility over understanding that you're walking into a situation that a lot of people have walked into before.

01:21:07.000 A lot of people have put a lot of work, a lot of reputations, a lot of credibility on the line, and you're now deciding you're going to dictate to them what the terms are going to be and how things are going to go.

01:21:19.000 So that's fine.

01:21:20.000 I mean, if you want to charge $25 a head, that's great.

01:21:23.000 Go do what you're going to do.

01:21:24.000 But just understand that you're going to be playing at a different tier of venue, a different size of crowd, a different amount of people, because that's just the way the world works.

01:21:36.000 And you can't change the way the world works just because you wish you want it so bad.

01:21:42.000 I'm sorry.

01:21:43.000 That's Karl Marx.

01:21:44.000 That's communism.

01:21:45.000 That is literally going and taking money away from people that would otherwise, otherwise have to spend it.

01:21:52.000 You're trying to squeeze people because of your own ego.

01:21:56.000 It's all about your own ego, dude.

01:21:57.000 This guy's ego is bigger than his beard.

01:22:00.000 And the beard is very big.

01:22:02.000 It's quite large.

01:22:04.000 It is also quite Marxian, by the way.

01:22:09.000 Yeah, do we have that?

01:22:09.000 By the way, can we put it up here?

01:22:11.000 Let's put up 105.

01:22:13.000 Has anyone ever seen Karl Marx and Oliver Anthony at the same place, same time?

01:22:17.000 They haven't.

01:22:17.000 It's never happened.

01:22:18.000 Cutting resemblance.

01:22:20.000 Das Capital is going to be his next song is going to be the workers of the world unite against the bourgeoisie.

01:22:33.000 The bourgeoisie of Appalachia by Oliver Anthony.

01:22:38.000 Final thoughts, guys.

01:22:42.000 I would just say be careful.

01:22:44.000 Be careful who you put your trust in.

01:22:47.000 Be careful who you put your faith in.

01:22:49.000 People are always going to come around.

01:22:50.000 Flavor of the month, flash in the pan.

01:22:53.000 And you should not trust people just because they are good actors, good painters, good musicians.

01:23:02.000 Look, I love liberals.

01:23:04.000 I think liberals are great.

01:23:05.000 I think liberals are wonderful.

01:23:07.000 I want liberals in my society.

01:23:09.000 I want them painting nice pictures. 0.91

01:23:12.000 I want them making food. 0.63

01:23:15.000 I want them styling hair, doing fashion. 0.52

01:23:18.000 I don't want them running anything.

01:23:20.000 I don't want them in charge of the military.

01:23:22.000 I don't want them in charge of businesses.

01:23:23.000 I don't want them in charge of police.

01:23:25.000 But I think there's definitely a place for those with the artist's soul just as long as they understand their place.

01:23:37.000 I don't want society.

01:23:43.000 I was waiting for who was going to say that.

01:23:45.000 Final thoughts are: I'm never going to forget Banjo, Ginger, Bernie Sanders.

01:23:51.000 That's a line that's going to stick with me.

01:23:53.000 Bravo, Charlie.

01:23:55.000 His ego is bigger than his beard.

01:23:57.000 Here's the deal.

01:23:58.000 I actually was sort of supportive of this guy when he first came out.

01:24:01.000 I think when we first talked about it on the show, I gave him a pass.

01:24:04.000 I was like, listen, he's new to this.

01:24:06.000 And maybe that's still the case.

01:24:07.000 Maybe he doesn't understand how these deals get made.

01:24:10.000 I don't care.

01:24:11.000 But for him to be just be like a, like, it's more tonal for me.

01:24:16.000 He's like asserting the way.

01:24:18.000 I don't know.

01:24:19.000 Something about it just strikes me as really arrogant and self-important.

01:24:22.000 And that's the part I don't like.

01:24:24.000 And I think he's, he's, he's, he's not passing the test of how to handle a lot of attention.

01:24:31.000 He's really, he's fumbling royally.

01:24:33.000 And expect glowing write-ups in Salon and Daily Beast as a result, unfortunately.

01:24:41.000 There is a, Jack, do you have any final thoughts?

01:24:44.000 Because I have a couple as we wrap this up tonight because there's animates Oliver that Olive About the type of people he hates.

01:24:56.000 And I really like for you to get that out.

01:24:58.000 But I think this is this is this is based on this is based on envy.

01:25:03.000 This is based on anger.

01:25:05.000 And it's looking at the world from a play from a very negative mindset.

01:25:09.000 And it's a very negative mindset, a mindset of scarcity, not a mindset of abundance.

01:25:14.000 And I think that it's not, it's clearly not something that's in tune with what we need in this country.

01:25:21.000 I'm just going to say, I really hope he prays on this and changes his mind.

01:25:24.000 I really do.

01:25:26.000 Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's good.

01:25:28.000 And that applies to both Oliver Anthony and that Virginia delegate candidates online page.

01:25:37.000 Yeah, so I have to actually go in a second here, but I want to just prove it to you.

01:25:40.000 Almost every mainstream media outlet is coming to Oliver Anthony's defense.

01:25:43.000 Every single one, as I proved last time.

01:25:45.000 Oliver Anthony cancels event over two high ticket prices.

01:25:49.000 Not true.

01:25:50.000 Not true.

01:25:52.000 And just, okay, a couple of things.

01:25:53.000 It's very clear that Oliver Anthony hates people who own the means of production.

01:25:58.000 George Orwell called himself a socialist for most of his life.

01:26:01.000 And the more he hung around socialists, he realized they were more animated by the hatred of the rich than trying to take care of the poor.

01:26:11.000 We have to be very careful that our heroes who might say a thing or two to try to represent working people are not animated by trying to go after people who own the means of production.

01:26:24.000 I am all for representation for the working class, the white working class, the black working class, all of it.

01:26:29.000 I am all for restoring the muscular class in this country.

01:26:34.000 But if we start to get in a direction where all of a sudden we're driven by people that have deep-seated envy, anger, resentment, like Oliver Anthony, then we're going to be in a real tough spot, in a bad spot, actually, because I think deep down, Oliver Anthony hates people who start businesses, hates entrepreneurs.

01:26:54.000 And that really is dangerous.

01:26:56.000 I reject that completely.

01:26:58.000 There is a healthy balance between entrepreneurs who make the world a better place and make the world work and the working class.

01:27:04.000 That balance is a healthy one.

01:27:07.000 Oliver Anthony, he is Ginger Bernie Sanders with a banjo.

01:27:12.000 And with that, we wrap up our conversation tonight with thought crimes.

01:27:15.000 Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:27:17.000 God bless you guys, and we'll see to you very soon.

01:27:23.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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01:27:28.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.

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