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00:02:15.000Charlie, speaking of you, you were saying, you know, whether you were in the news or not, I feel like it'd be really funny if we could get you into like Catholic level religious retreats.
00:04:54.000He is the Persian vizier official in the Shah's court.0.67
00:04:59.000Just to be clear, Haman is closely to Hitler.0.77
00:05:02.000Like the Ayatollah is threatening to be Hitler, but he actually hasn't killed nearly as many Jews as Hamas.
00:05:08.000I was telling Charlie this week that a lot of people don't realize Iran to this day has the largest Jewish minority of the Muslim states in the Mideast remaining.
00:05:18.000So there used to be hundreds of thousands of Jews in Yemen, in Egypt, in modern Iraq.
00:05:24.000Those communities are gone, they've moved to Israel or to the United States, and they're basically extinct.
00:05:39.000There are Jewish themed tours that you can go to in Iran that are marketed at like Jews, Persian Jews who live in Los Angeles, sort of that.
00:07:10.000We have to try to define what the consequences of some of this stuff would be and how bad these ideas are, how morally troubling these ideas are.
00:09:37.000I can name at least three cities in Iran, which I think that's the fun follow up to how many people live there is like name four cities in Iran.
00:11:07.000And supposedly, they I can't remember if he was already dead at this point, but they supposedly pour molten gold down his throat because he was the richest man in Rome.
00:11:36.000Well, so, I mean, yeah, if you're talking about an invasion scenario, which would be, which is what this guy was calling for, costly, right?
00:11:45.000You know, so not special operations or one of these bombing runs, but an actual invasion scenario.
00:11:50.000Keep in mind that the Iraq troop surge was over 100,000 troops just there.
00:11:57.000And so, Iran is a country that is a number of times larger, over twice as large as Iraq was at the time.
00:12:06.000Also, by the way, the people of Iraq would most likely come in in some way, shape, or form here because at least 50% or more of Iraq currently supports Iran.
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00:17:26.000Like, people are thinking the cruelty.
00:17:28.000By the way, I asked him if he was a Christian later, and he said yes.0.78
00:17:30.000It's like, how could you, as a Christian, even begin to just the opening volley of a war is to just eradicate a city of 16 million people?0.86
00:17:44.000And these are serious ethical questions that, of course, come up in the context of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
00:17:52.000They come up in the context of the Allied strategic bombing of World War II, many of which, as we know, because with these atomic weapons, Discriminate, right?
00:18:02.000They don't discriminate between combatants and enemy combatants.
00:18:05.000They don't discriminate between any of that.
00:18:07.000So, civilians, children, women, you mentioned the Jewish population of Iran.0.90
00:18:13.000If any of them happen to be within the blast radius of this thing, they're all gone.0.55
00:18:18.000And if they live, if they're in the next radius and then beyond that, you've got radiation sickness, you've got cancers, you've got all sorts of things going on there.
00:18:58.000Because even though Chernobyl is in Ukraine, it's right on the border of Belarus.
00:19:01.000And the way the winds were blowing it, it really, really went into.
00:19:05.000Uh, went into the civilian population, and it was right around the same time as May Day.
00:19:10.000And in the Soviet Union, May Day was this huge parade, so again, you just had all these civilians.
00:19:15.000So, this wasn't and that that was just an accident, that wasn't an actual nuclear strike.
00:19:20.000That again, that was just an accident, and we know how bad Chernobyl was.
00:19:24.000And you know, she's told me also put it this way when HBO put that movie out or the miniseries out about Chernobyl, um, I showed her the trailer for it, and she couldn't even make it through the trailer, she couldn't even watch.
00:19:53.000I mean, just like where are, I mean, it's really a sick thing that people would just say, go kill three million civilians, like babies and women that have nothing to do with this.
00:20:03.000Like, this is a moral darkness that has to be confronted.
00:20:10.000I've, you know, I've read like one of the darkest things actually about, you know, World War II's impact on humanity is it did very much like normalize in.
00:20:20.000Christian European civilization, like it kind of brought back the idea it was okay to just go total war on someone, like absolute war against an entire country and all of its people, which I feel at the peak of Western Christian European civilization, we had rolled that idea back.
00:20:37.000Like the US Civil War killed tons of people, yet there were almost no mass atrocities against civilians.
00:20:43.000They did occur, but they were war crimes and people got hanged for them.
00:20:47.000The American Revolution, despite certain inaccurate Mel Gibson movies, does not involve mass atrocities against civilians.
00:20:55.000There are huge wars, the Napoleonic Wars, a lot of people die in those.
00:20:58.000But again, you do not have it as a norm that you just roll into a town and just kill everybody.
00:21:03.000Or when it comes close to that, people are horrified and it's hugely controversial.
00:21:08.000But now, you know, World War II, it was, you know, they normalized the idea of total war.0.62
00:21:13.000You wage war on an entire country and all of its people, and people are a resource, so you're okay to attack them because you have to attack the people.
00:21:21.000I do think I should, since we are on Thought Crime, I do think if you're going to say that, I probably should bring up that the march.0.57
00:21:26.000To the sea, Sherman's March was not exactly the cleanest.
00:21:32.000No, that's where you're mistaken, Jack.
00:21:37.000That is, he literally shelled Atlanta.
00:22:51.000So there's all these small towns in the south that have this story of how the ladies of the town use their clever wiles to keep the union from destroying the town.
00:23:00.000And what this gets at is actually the greater truth, which is just they didn't really destroy any towns other than Atlanta and Columbia.
00:23:22.000Like, this is an example where people will say, this is total war.
00:23:26.000But if you dig into the details of it, it's actually a perfect example of how our values have changed.0.88
00:23:32.000In the 1860s, this qualified as total war, yet it's utterly incomparable to what we did in future wars or what, frankly, a lot of people want us to do now to Iran.
00:23:44.000I just, I, but so Jack, help me understand where does this come from?0.85
00:23:48.000Where does that kind of cruelty and darkness, where it's just like, we're just going to drop a nuclear bomb on an entire population?
00:24:21.000And we were actually playing on human events earlier today, just sort of B roll of city scenes in Tehran.
00:24:32.000And yeah, it looks like the Middle East and it's different from us.0.62
00:24:35.000And you see the burqas, but you do see families and just people sort of walking around and buying food and going shopping and going to work and living their lives.0.99
00:24:48.000You know and and you know, having lived overseas and having spent time overseas in places like like China and others that you know people say, oh well, the Chinese this, that and the other thing I said well, you know they're, they're just people.
00:25:00.000Right, they're still just people and even if you have your differences with the regime and you, you know, morally want things to happen uh you, you really need to be careful when you're purposefully targeting civilian populations and unfortunately, I think that is an unintended side effect Of the attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, where some people think, well, that's just what you got to do.
00:25:28.000That's just what you got to do to end the war, to stop them, just nuke them, just nuke them all the way down.
00:25:35.000And to the point where Truman himself didn't, obviously, people remember their history, even though he had dropped the nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, did not elect to use nukes on China after they got involved in the Korean War.0.79
00:25:54.000And in fact, basically fired MacArthur for publicly speaking out against him.
00:25:59.000They had a huge disagreement about it.
00:26:01.000And MacArthur was saying, let's nuke Beijing, let's nuke Shanghai, and prevent China from going communist and, well, not going communist, but defeating the communists once and for all.
00:26:13.000And there's obviously a whole alternate history that could have happened had that taken place.
00:26:31.000There's a tendency, a very human tendency to be tribal.
00:26:34.000And in that very human tendency to be tribal, it's us versus them.
00:26:38.000And all of us need to defeat all of them.0.89
00:26:41.000And if you're on the other side, then you're going to get beaten, you're going to get killed, and that's the end.1.00
00:26:47.000And to the point, Charlie, in this country, even in World War II, we did intern any Japanese Americans.
00:26:54.000Many German Americans also faced a lot of this.
00:26:56.000By the way, a lot of German and Italian Americans went and volunteered to join the Axis.
00:27:02.000These wars are very complicated and wars get very messy, and it's never occurred once in all of history that there was a war that went well and went exactly as the initial planners and promoters said it was going to.
00:27:18.000So, Blake, it's hard to even comprehend.
00:27:20.000I mean, are we just, is there like an older generation problem where they just haven't learned like any foreign policy lessons the last 20 years?
00:27:28.000You know, it's sad because like we think of learning from things, but the truth is, for a lot of people, they get their ideas about the world.
00:27:36.000I think largely fixed in their teenage years, their 20 something years, and then they're just sort of locked in.
00:27:43.000And it's difficult to learn new things as you age.
00:27:47.000And I think a lot, just like we see in Washington, where a lot of people got in a Cold War mindset.
00:27:53.000So, like, that's why they're always paranoid about Russia.0.81
00:27:56.000And I think that's actually driving a lot of the Iran stuff.
00:27:59.000We had the U.S. and Iran had far more direct conflict in the 1980s.
00:28:05.000I mean, we have the Iranian hostage crisis.
00:28:30.000And it will never really go away until people who have been craving that for decades either die off or get their payoff.
00:28:37.000Tyler, what do you make of the generational difference that the older that you are, The more likely it seems that you're open to dropping a nuke or boots on the ground.
00:28:45.000Talk about the age difference dynamic here.
00:28:47.000Well, I actually think it's really interesting, too.0.79
00:28:49.000Just again, we bring in the Russia issue, which is what is the outcome if you do some kind of massive drop into Iran?
00:29:35.000I'm just getting beeping in the background here.
00:29:39.000But I think of the older generation, and as they're thinking about the Everything else that we see, activists on the ground, which are the loudest that we hear, especially within the Republican Party, are just completely detached from what this would mean for younger people and what their day to day impact would look like right away with how they live their lives, what the cost would be,
00:30:06.000because largely older people are pretty much taken care of.
00:30:11.000It's the younger people that would feel the brunt of things.
00:30:15.000And on top of that, you're talking about the draft, you're talking about You know, who would actually be sent the massive operation to backfill our military?
00:30:28.000I just don't know that there's a single person over the age of maybe 55 that is thinking about this in the same way that, you know, now the majority of our population is thinking about it, and definitely Republican voters.
00:30:41.000Well, so what other dynamics are we missing here, Blake or Jack, on this conversation that are important that people should know about?
00:30:49.000I was going to say you do have, so you have the age.
00:30:53.000That you mentioned, you have how people get their media, how people get their news.
00:30:58.000Some people, you know, and this came up with like Tucker and Ted Cruz.
00:31:03.000Some people have religious differences on this, saying that, you know, some people say they look at Ted Cruz's cited Genesis and said, you know, this is why we have to do this.
00:31:13.000And that sort of has ignited this massive debate online that I'm seeing as well.
00:31:19.000So, I mean, there's, look, when you're talking about anything involving the Holy Land, It's absolutely going to bring up religious beliefs and, in some cases, conflicting religious beliefs.
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00:32:39.000Do we want to get into the Tucker and Ted Cruz thing?
00:32:41.000It got sent to me by people who are not even in this country who don't usually always follow the same thing on the internet, too.
00:32:48.000I'd say it's the biggest thing on the internet.
00:32:50.000Yeah, a ton of people saw the question about how many people live in Iran.
00:32:55.000And so I saw people say when I watched the whole video, it was more evenly matched between Tucker and Ted that Ted occasionally got Tucker's sort of back off or he got in some good blows.
00:34:22.000Israel is leading them, but we're supporting them.0.78
00:34:24.000Well, this, you're breaking news here because the U.S. government last night denied, the National Security Council spokesman Alex Pfeiffer denied on behalf of Trump that we were acting on Israel's behalf in any offensive capacity.
00:34:49.000I want to highlight for people why that question about the ethnic makeup and population is so resonant.
00:34:55.000When we invaded Iraq, one of the most amazing things is apparently, even before we invaded Iraq, a large number of people in the Bush administration, possibly including Bush himself, did not know the difference between Sunni and Shia Muslims.
00:35:11.000And Iraq is one of the only countries where there's a large number of both.0.62
00:35:14.000And Saddam was from the Sunni minority.
00:35:19.000And they were kind of on the They were the bottom rung of Iraqi society, and the Sunnis ran stuff.1.00
00:35:25.000And they were just unaware of this.0.97
00:35:27.000They were unaware of that fundamental split in Iraqi society and what that would mean, or how the Shia majority would have close ties with Iran because they're one of the only places that has other Shia Muslims.0.77
00:35:41.000Besides the insurgency against US forces in Iraq, there was also just sectarian violence.0.87
00:35:46.000You had Sunni terrorists who would blow up Shia mosques, they would target Shia holy days for attacks.
00:35:53.000And they just had no idea about that.0.75
00:35:55.000And so that's why it's very relevant to ask that.
00:35:58.000You know, one of the reasons, one of the things I've heard said about Iran is.0.99
00:36:01.000One of the reasons they're relatively tolerant of the handful of Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians that they have in Iran is actually no one there has it worse than the tiny Sunni minority they have in Iran because they're heretics.1.00
00:36:15.000They're not just a different faith, they are the true infidels against proper Islam.1.00
00:36:21.000And if you're not aware of that, you just realize like we could walk into this thing where you can just step on a landmine and you have no idea where any of them are buried because you don't know what you're doing.1.00
00:36:32.000Jack, your thoughts on the thermonuclear viral conversation?
00:36:36.000Well, it's one thing that struck me as, and I've watched it as well, but what's really struck me as much as the conversation itself and a lot of these questions that, and I'm just going to say, you don't hear these types of questions on Fox News.
00:36:56.000They're questions that, as Blake has described, really matter if you're going to get into a war or as occurs, the counterinsurgency after a war, like a civil war.
00:37:09.000And so, the almost important, almost as important as the conversation itself, is how this thing has taken on a life of its own online.0.83
00:37:17.000This is the number one most viral thing with all of Gen Z.
00:37:22.000And that's only because, of course, Charlie's not on campus right now.
00:37:40.000You know, 18 to 39, whatever you want to call it, demographic of millennials, Gen Z, people saying that this is just remarkable.
00:37:50.000That how could there be a sitting senator from one of the most powerful Republican states in the country who, you know, who doesn't know these basic questions and who is citing these very shallow arguments while at the same time just being glib, just being tremendously glib about something that could get a lot of Americans killed.
00:38:14.000All right, so let me tell you the one where I have not publicly commented on this.
00:38:57.000Growing up in Sunday school, I was taught from the Bible, those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel will be cursed.
00:39:05.000And from my perspective, I want to be on the blessing side of things.
00:39:08.000Those who bless the government of Israel?
00:39:10.000Those who bless Israel is what it says.
00:39:12.000It doesn't say the government of, it says the nation of Israel.
00:39:25.000But so you're quoting a Bible phrase you don't have context for it, you don't know where in the Bible it is, but that's like your theology.
00:40:22.000The word Israel is not in Genesis 12 3.
00:40:24.000However, it does say, and let me just say this this is God's covenant with Abram before he became Abraham.
00:40:30.000I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curse you, I will curse.
00:40:34.000And all the peoples of the earth will be blessed through you.
00:40:36.000So, yes, eventually that does mean the Jewish people and the people of Israel.
00:40:40.000Now, Ted's theological view, I'm actually somewhat sympathetic to, but he just, Ted, here's the way you should say it next time.0.72
00:40:48.000Tucker, I don't anticipate you to agree with me theologically.
00:40:51.000So, let's just talk about this geopolitically.0.62
00:40:53.000But we, in our specific camp, believe that the reconstitution of the state of Israel is a fulfillment of prophecy in Ezekiel 36 that I will graft you from around the world and I'll scatter you and bring you back into a nation.
00:41:08.000But that's not the most relevant thing.
00:41:22.000It's the church and it's the Jewish people.
00:41:27.000And it's like the Ezekiel argument, for those of us that are sympathetic, is a much stronger argument.
00:41:33.000But it should have just been diffusing.
00:41:34.000Instead, Ted was almost getting, in my opinion, I have a lot of respect for Ted.
00:41:39.000He was almost like, this is what Christianity believes.
00:41:42.000Do you notice whenever I talk about it, I say, This is just a theological interpretation I'm sympathetic to.
00:41:46.000That's a much better way to approach it than just saying, This is doctrine.
00:41:51.000And so there are closed hand issues and open hand issues in Christianity.
00:41:55.000Closed hand issues are ones that, if you do not believe this, you're not a Christian.
00:41:59.000Divinity of Christ, virginity of Mary, the resurrection of Christ, the creation of the world, the inerrancy of Scripture.
00:42:06.000And there's open hand issues, which is like eschatology or what is Israel.
00:42:11.000And that's the way I wish you would have explained it.
00:42:13.000Instead, Here's what drove me the most crazy.
00:42:15.000It made anybody like myself that has this kind of view that God has a plan and prophecy very well might be unfolding seem as if we're like completely biblically illiterate.
00:42:28.000And it goes into, I mean, I have to run into this all the time where I've encountered people in the U.S. and definitely abroad.
00:42:35.000This is a very common belief abroad that the only reason conservatives in the U.S. are sympathetic to Israel is they'll just be like, oh, it's just because, like, They think it will bring about the end of the world to build the third temple, or they just think that the Bible requires them to just do whatever Israel tells them to do.
00:42:54.000And, like, there are a few people who hold to that view, but, like, broadly speaking, no, that's not the reason we do this.0.94
00:43:01.000People who support Israel, including pretty aggressively, do it because they think it is good for the United States or represents good values that Israel is civilization, Israel is Western, and they're in conflict with this, you know, a barbaric country.0.98
00:43:17.000And that's the best argument for it.0.97
00:43:19.000And so, my whole point is that if you are going to introduce scripture into a geopolitical argument, you better know it really well, right?0.91
00:43:27.000And it should be closed hand Christianity issues, right?
00:43:31.000So, for example, if all of a sudden Tucker and Ted were debating whether or not Bethlehem should be bombed, okay?
00:43:41.000A closed hand issue is like, don't bomb it because Jesus was born there, right?
00:43:45.000Like, that's a good reason to introduce theology into geopolitics, right?
00:43:50.000Now, if you're going to do that, which again, Jack Hibbs would be like super equipped to do this.
00:43:54.000A friend of mine, he's like, not super well, but it's just kind of what it unfortunately did is it played into a stereotype that like they're using Christianity and they don't even know like the fundamental, the elemental scripture.
00:44:08.000And I think actually Ted made some really good points later in the argument, later in the whole kind of dialogue that I think were missed in some of the online back and forth.
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00:45:20.000Jack, what is, would you say, now, and I have a lot of pastors that I'm trying to tell, like, would you say, Gen Z's view of Israel has it improved or gotten worse because of this interview?
00:45:37.000I would well, there's sort of the you know, there's a multi layered question there because there's Gen Z's view of Israel has already been quite negative, and that's not because of this interview, that's particularly because of the images that they see coming out of Gaza every day on TikTok that are just going up and down all over the place.
00:45:57.000You know, here's this bombing, here's this that bombing, another hospital, etc., etc.
00:46:02.000And I'm not going to get into the efficacy of that or whether or not that's true or all the rest of it, recycling old footage.
00:46:10.000I'm just saying this is Gen Z's general view.0.56
00:46:14.000And so it's already preset to be quite negative.
00:46:18.000Then they see Israel launching this attack on Iran one week ago, give or take, I think a week and a day ago, and saying, well, here's Netanyahu again taking off another bomb, picking another fight, even when he hasn't finished his first fight.
00:46:36.000And then this interview comes around on top of it to say, well, here's a politician who, an American politician who's going to explain why all of this US money, billions of dollars, is going to go and support another foreign war rather than do anything to clean up our lot at home, which is, of course, what President Trump ran on.
00:46:57.000And then they see Ted Cruz and he's making these arguments.
00:47:00.000And as I say, Charlie, it's confusing for someone who doesn't know all of the backstory or someone who hasn't read the Bible or someone who's.
00:47:08.000You know, it's like, what's the citation?
00:47:10.000Can you even explain what you're talking about?
00:47:15.000So, no, I think if you're someone who's a spiritual person, you could do it.
00:47:18.000I just want to say, like, it's not going the way you want.
00:47:22.000Just to be clear, like, if you really know the theology, like I do pretty well, but not as well as, like, a Jack Hibbs, you can make that argument.
00:47:29.000But if you don't know it, don't do that argument.
00:47:32.000Like, that's basically what, like, because it's just, you kind of get found out and exposed.
00:47:38.000And it just, like, because here's the reason he was like, well, as a Christian in Sunday school, I was told that we must do this.
00:47:51.000Like, if you're going to do that, you have to know it with incredible specificity.
00:47:56.000And it makes sense not just from a because we're not just talking about theological, right?
00:48:01.000We're talking about effective communication.
00:48:03.000And so, in effective communication, and if you're trying to communicate an idea to someone, then you really need to know it inside out because that person's going to ask you questions about it and perhaps challenge you on your view.
00:48:15.000And so, if you're going to use effective communication, You have to think, okay, where is that person at?
00:48:35.000So effective communication always means you have to be able to explain yourself.
00:48:40.000And if you don't, then you are going to run the risk of what I think happened here making yourself and whoever side you are taking look really bad.
00:48:50.000So, just to kind of put a cap, so is there any?
00:48:53.000Let me just play one more piece of tape here from this debate.
00:48:55.000I actually enjoyed, I encourage everyone, if you have an opinion on the Tucker Ted exchange, listen to the entire thing, because I really believe that Ted actually made some really good points at times.
00:49:10.000I think some of the clips put him in a bad light.
00:49:12.000And you should, honestly, as you as a senator, you should know the population, the top three cities.
00:51:46.000They'll see the Mossad spying clip and they'll see the Bible clip that we saw or the population clip.0.58
00:51:54.000So they'll see a handful of these things.
00:51:57.000And as we said, I think both of us agree, Cruz did better in the full interview, but it's a handful of really interested people who are seeing the full interview.
00:52:06.000And what can really set the cultural zeitgeist is the stuff that goes viral with other people.
00:52:10.000And that question about population that I got sent by people in other countries.
00:52:20.000I think the impression, if you are coming in very superficially, is wow, like there are people in the US who want to do regime change in Iran or intervention in Iran, and they don't know that much about Iran.
00:52:32.000And it fits into a script we have because we know the US has gone in without enough information into Iraq, into Libya.
00:52:42.000It fits a mental image that people already have in their head, and that makes it more powerful, I think.
00:52:51.000It has a great ability to set the tone for what the debate is right now.
00:52:55.000So I would not be surprised if whatever ultimate decision we reach, if that meaningfully lowered the odds that we go into Iran because it's going to shift how people are talking about it.
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00:55:10.000Do we have a clip of the flagrant foul?0.99
00:55:13.000And then, like a couple, like a minute and a half later, a girl that we've never heard of before, Sophie Cunningham, comes out and just like throws the other team to the ground and just like starts a New York Pistons style brawl.
00:56:02.000And he went into the crowd, he went into the crowd, and like he was like laying down or something, and then someone threw a water bottle at him.
00:56:11.000Like, Ron Artest just went and fought random civilians.
00:57:15.000Like, Caitlin Clark is growing on me because we know why this is happening, obviously.0.77
00:57:19.000I mean, They're mad that a Midwestern white girl who's very wholesome and is straight and has a boyfriend has become the face of the WNBA and nobody cared before.1.00
00:57:29.000But now there's two faces of the WNBA.
00:57:30.000Let's put up the picture here in the Thought Crime chat of Caitlin Clark and her bodyguard, Sophie Cunningham.
00:57:46.000You've got the Pacers now going to the game seven.
00:57:49.000You had the Ron Artest Malice in the Palace.
00:57:52.000You have Sophie Cunningham, who used to play for the Mercury.1.00
00:57:55.000I just, the only thing I'm regretting, I wish this was the actual Mercury, so we had a reason to go to Mercury games because it is so impossible to watch WNBA games with the amount of lesbian vibes that are in there.1.00
00:58:09.000But this may be the straightest thing to ever happen in a WNBA game.1.00
00:58:15.000We may have now a reason to go watch the WNBA.1.00
00:58:19.000And I actually think they should insert new rules.1.00
00:59:15.000Charlie, do you find that they're like pushing this?
00:59:17.000That they want, you know, that they finally found a way to get people interested.
00:59:22.000So there's people like at like actually, you know, WWF style back there saying, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:59:28.000Like kind of goading this type of stuff on.1.00
00:59:32.000We should have NIL for straight white females in the WNBA because that's the only way you're going to get men interested.1.00
00:59:41.000We could, you could actually triple their salary.1.00
00:59:44.000Just with like NIL, you know, for straight white females that are in the WNBA overnight, they could be the most predominant, you know, player within the WNBA.1.00
00:59:59.000And that's saying something for where we're at.0.98
01:01:56.000There's, I mean, a lot of people like are now pushing for Caitlyn Clark to leave the WNBA because like they're trying to basically push her out, is what they're trying to do.
01:02:04.000Do they have the conceit that she could play in the regular NBA?
01:02:13.000I mean, she's honestly like I have respect that like everyone's targeting her.0.98
01:02:17.000And I mean, she did say that stupid thing about like white privilege or whatever, but I mean, look, she's an, she's a norm adjusting woman.0.98
01:02:22.000It's like table stakes to be honest.0.99
01:02:23.000I know that's like table stakes, but like, I mean, they're really going after her.1.00
01:02:28.000And now, hey, more women are rising up.1.00
01:03:33.000Like, oh, man, I kind of want to see Charlie go to a WNBA game.
01:03:38.000I want to see Charlie get really into it.
01:03:40.000Like, He goes like he's initially going just to do the support Caitlin thing, and then he kind of starts watching the game, and like the wheels start turning.
01:03:48.000He gets into the strategy of it, and then I'll bring my daughter.
01:03:52.000Like, we'll start coming into the office and be like, Charlie, we've got like breaking news.1.00
01:03:56.000The president is bombing her, and he'll be like, Shut up, shut up.0.98
01:03:59.000And he'll be on his phone and he'll be watching a stream, not even of the fever.0.99
01:04:04.000He'll be watching like a dumpster game between like the two worst teams in the league that are out of the playoffs, but he's just riveted to it.
01:05:30.000And no, it gets into, you know, Charlie, you had a whole thing this week about going to college for your MRS. And I think all of this, even the fighting and the rest of it, gets into this question about gender roles in our society and what we're pushing people towards.