The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 16 — House Speaker Trump? Mocking the Dead? Columbus: Hero, or SUPERhero?

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00:01:16.000 Okay, everybody.

00:01:17.000 Hello.

00:01:17.000 It is Thought Crimes.

00:01:18.000 What episode number is this?

00:01:20.000 16.

00:01:21.000 Is it really 16?

00:01:22.000 We've done 16 of these incredibly enough.

00:01:26.000 Wow.

00:01:28.000 Andrew, welcome, Blake.

00:01:29.000 And of course, Jack Pisobic, welcome.

00:01:32.000 Ladies and gentlemen, we finally found out something that actually makes House Republicans upset.

00:01:38.000 Is it the locking up of our own people?

00:01:40.000 No, no.

00:01:41.000 Is it sending hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine in a proxy award?

00:01:45.000 No, It's parliamentary changes inside the house.

00:01:51.000 Apparently, that is what makes them upset.

00:01:54.000 So it is sometimes we have to debate of what is the lead.

00:01:57.000 It's not even a close question this week.

00:02:01.000 There is no speaker of the house.

00:02:04.000 Jack, you and I kind of saw this coming.

00:02:06.000 I think it would be helpful for our audience to give a layer deeper that we're not always able to share on our shows.

00:02:12.000 Jack, you and I were on a series of group text messages right when I turned off for you know Shabbat.

00:02:18.000 I kind of saw this boiling up.

00:02:20.000 I was starting to get incoming from the Gates crew, right?

00:02:24.000 People that were saying, hey, this is going in a bad direction.

00:02:27.000 We're going to do a motion to vacate.

00:02:29.000 I remember some of the people I know in McCarthy World said, oh, he's just bluffing.

00:02:32.000 It's not going to happen.

00:02:33.000 Here we are a week later.

00:02:34.000 Kevin McCarthy is not speaker.

00:02:36.000 Jack, let's fill in, you know, some of the underground chatter that you and I have been privy to as we saw this bubbling up to the surface.

00:02:45.000 Yeah, so a lot of this, and Charlie, you've done a great job of covering it this week on your show.

00:02:50.000 Thank you.

00:02:50.000 Huge props to you because, you know, this is something where it pays to be super in the weeds on things.

00:02:59.000 And that's something where I think, you know, Charlie, with your perch, not only where you are in politics, but having turning point your ear into a lot of different places, it just really lends itself to these situations because it's easy to sit on the outside.

00:03:13.000 And I see a lot of people just throwing bombs and saying, oh, yeah, throw the bums out, get rid of them, get rid of this guy, get rid of that guy.

00:03:18.000 But you're also missing the intricacies of how it actually works, how it plays out, the different interests, the different factions.

00:03:25.000 And that's something where even myself, just listening to the Charlie Kirk show this week, it's like, wow, this is the one place where you can really get all of it.

00:03:31.000 Because on some shows, you know, you'll hear, oh, Gates is a traitor.

00:03:34.000 Gates is evil. 1.00

00:03:35.000 Gates is the worst. 0.95

00:03:36.000 And then you go on other shows and it's like, Gates is the greatest patriot.

00:03:40.000 He's the, he is the next George Washington.

00:03:42.000 It's like, all right, can someone just explain to me what's actually going on?

00:03:45.000 And that's what I found with listening to Charlie.

00:03:48.000 I don't mean that just to blow you up, but I really do think he did a great job.

00:03:52.000 And the reason, though, that people need to understand this better, though, is because the situation became, as Jack Haschell said in his great book recently, although on a different subject, it became untenable, right?

00:04:04.000 It became untenable because you had the grassroots that were so incensed at the lack of action and so upset that they can see the government locking people up, the FBI starting a new task force just this week and then bragging about it with their leaking their own story to Newsweek, essentially writing a press release for them saying we've started a new task force to go after MAGA.

00:04:30.000 And then you go to the house and you say, what are you guys actually doing about any of this?

00:04:33.000 Oh, we've got a big investigation.

00:04:34.000 It's very important press release, very important letter that's being written.

00:04:38.000 Just you wait, you know, the next letter is coming out and people are just getting fed up.

00:04:42.000 People are just getting sick and it's getting worse and worse.

00:04:44.000 So we saw essentially the civil war brewing because that being said, GOP leadership still has considerable and significant resources that they will be bringing to bear.

00:04:57.000 And I don't think that they thought Matt Gates was willing to go through that.

00:05:01.000 Turns out that he actually is.

00:05:02.000 So Gates effectively pressed the nuclear button.

00:05:05.000 I call it the nuclear option.

00:05:07.000 And now here's the interesting wrinkle in all of this.

00:05:10.000 And we covered on human events earlier today, that anyone who wants to be speaker, whether it's Scalese, whether it's Jordan, whether it's Donald Trump, et cetera, they're essentially walking into a situation where they know that MAGA and the grassroots and Gates representing the gasroots by proxy is exercising command by negation, whereby in there's nothing to stop him from doing this again next week, next month, six months from now.

00:05:38.000 So anyone who has to come in, guess what?

00:05:40.000 You got to make a deal.

00:05:41.000 That's why Donald Trump is going to Congress.

00:05:44.000 So Blake, let's do this.

00:05:45.000 And by the way, Jack, we're going to reconnect your audio.

00:05:47.000 We could hear you, but it's not as pure as it should be.

00:05:49.000 So we're going to work with the team on that.

00:05:51.000 But Blake, Andrew, and I are going to carry this forward right now.

00:05:53.000 So Blake, you and I were chatting a little bit over the weekend last week, and so is Andrew.

00:05:57.000 Andrew, you were on a lot of these messages too.

00:05:59.000 And because, you know, we're kind of at an intersection of all roads where, you know, I've been very clear.

00:06:04.000 I have, you know, I've been gotten along with Kevin McCarthy for years.

00:06:07.000 I disagree with how he's handled the debt ceiling and also the CR, but he's treated our turning point students and leaders really, really well.

00:06:14.000 And this kind of thing was bubbling up.

00:06:16.000 And I remember I sent a message to one person in kind of McCarthy world. 0.69

00:06:20.000 I was like, guys, this is becoming real.

00:06:22.000 Like this, this, and, you know, either Blake or Andrew, you could take it.

00:06:26.000 Andrew, maybe, because you're also getting his message.

00:06:28.000 Andrew, do you think that they actually believed that this motion to vacate would have been successful?

00:06:34.000 I had a private conversation with Matt Gates on Sunday when I reopened my phone.

00:06:38.000 I had literally had 682 text messages.

00:06:40.000 Remember, Andrew, the message I sent?

00:06:41.000 I said, so what's going on?

00:06:43.000 Like on Sunday afternoon.

00:06:44.000 I talked to Matt Gates on the phone.

00:06:46.000 He said, oh, Kevin's going to get bailed out by the Democrats.

00:06:48.000 He'll still be speaker, but it's still a good message to send.

00:06:51.000 Andrew, is this the dog catching the car?

00:06:54.000 Yeah, I think it was, Charlie.

00:06:56.000 I, you know, I think they were going to give it their best shot.

00:06:59.000 A lot of people, a lot of reporters have been texting me saying, is this just about personal animus?

00:07:04.000 Is this Matt Gates trying to be, you know, famous or whatever?

00:07:08.000 And I'm like, hey, Matt Gates is already a media darling.

00:07:11.000 I don't care whatever anybody says.

00:07:14.000 He's been highlighted on conservative media and CNN, MSNBC, all this for years.

00:07:19.000 He's very articulate.

00:07:21.000 And I think he does not see the end of his career being in Congress, right?

00:07:26.000 A lot of people have speculated.

00:07:28.000 I think he's even confirmed that he wants to run for governor eventually of the state of Florida.

00:07:33.000 But he'll be damned if he's going to leave things the status quo as he found them.

00:07:37.000 He's also in a very secure district.

00:07:39.000 I think he won 70-30.

00:07:41.000 So he's one of those guys that is not only extremely conservative, especially fiscally conservative.

00:07:47.000 He's not only ballsy, the guy has, you know, guts for days.

00:07:52.000 The guy is totally courageous.

00:07:54.000 He's not like these other squishes on Capitol Hill. 0.99

00:07:58.000 But I don't think he exactly knew how this was going to play out.

00:08:00.000 A lot of us who were skeptical said, Gates, your qualms are real.

00:08:06.000 The gripes are real.

00:08:07.000 Washington's out of control.

00:08:08.000 $2.2 trillion deficits are not sustainable.

00:08:11.000 Ukraine, what the hell?

00:08:13.000 And so it kind of left us in this place where I think our base. 0.67

00:08:16.000 and our audience were looking for us to go, yeah, go Gates.

00:08:20.000 And it was kind of like, well, we get where he's coming from.

00:08:23.000 We think he's fantastic in a lot of ways.

00:08:23.000 We love the guy.

00:08:26.000 But what's the end game?

00:08:27.000 Is Kevin McCarthy the best that we will get?

00:08:30.000 And that remains to be seen.

00:08:33.000 But this whole call from Newt Gingrich, calling him traitors, the eight traders, that is completely out of line.

00:08:39.000 Yeah, and I think we've been very morally clear in our show, haven't we, Andrew?

00:08:43.000 Oh, yeah, no, 100%.

00:08:43.000 I think we've been.

00:08:45.000 And Newt is somebody who's come on the Charlie Kirk show multiple times.

00:08:48.000 I like Newton.

00:08:49.000 I think you wrote.

00:08:50.000 Yeah, you wrote an endorsement for his last book.

00:08:53.000 But yeah, I mean, I think Newt is looking at people like Speaker Pelosi before, you know, when the House was a Democrat majority and saying she ruled with an iron fist.

00:09:02.000 Nobody crossed her.

00:09:03.000 We need to get that on the GOP side.

00:09:05.000 I think that's wrong.

00:09:06.000 The GOP is a rowdy group.

00:09:09.000 It's an independent-minded group.

00:09:10.000 We're not collectivists.

00:09:11.000 We're not communists.

00:09:12.000 We don't think in a block.

00:09:14.000 There are factions and clans within the conservative movement.

00:09:17.000 I think, yes, Matt Gates is probably surprised this worked out, but he's probably overjoyed.

00:09:22.000 And here's, here's, I'll leave it with this.

00:09:25.000 If we get a Jim Jordan out of this or a Speaker Trump, I mean, that's certainly a possibility as it stands today.

00:09:32.000 If we get those two outcomes here, this will have proven Matt Gates to be an absolute genius, massive success.

00:09:40.000 If we get somebody like an Emmer or even a Scalise who's, I've heard it described as Diet McCarthy, I think then we are going to find ourselves in a world of hurt.

00:09:50.000 And people are going to start pointing the finger even more at Gates.

00:09:53.000 Yeah, I receive angry emails about this.

00:09:56.000 I think we will not know whether or not Matt was right based on whether or not Hakeem Jeffries becomes speaker in January 25.

00:10:02.000 You must hold on to power in the town of DC, right, Blake?

00:10:06.000 Exactly.

00:10:07.000 I think, you know, Andrew mentions the factions.

00:10:09.000 That's very real.

00:10:10.000 I mean, we've got Republican Study Committee.

00:10:13.000 You've got Freedom Caucus.

00:10:14.000 You have, you know, random wildcards.

00:10:16.000 And every single one of those matters.

00:10:18.000 Because again, we don't have a strong majority.

00:10:20.000 We have, what is it, 222 seats?

00:10:22.000 We have a majority of five votes.

00:10:24.000 And one of those is George Santos, who at any time, you know, could be hauled off to God knows where.

00:10:29.000 Yeah.

00:10:30.000 And so that means everyone, you know, everyone does get a voice, but it does mean everyone gets a voice.

00:10:36.000 It means Matt Gates and five friends can blow up the House speakership, but it also means the five most liberal House members could blow up a Jordan speakership.

00:10:45.000 And they're going to.

00:10:45.000 Exactly.

00:10:46.000 And we have to understand that this, the game is on.

00:10:50.000 Right.

00:10:50.000 And there's, I think that's why, you know, I also disagree with what Newt said, but you can see the frustration that's boiling over there that there's all these Republicans who remember it took us weeks to figure out who our speaker is going to be last January.

00:11:04.000 And it was really like only McCarthy can unite them.

00:11:08.000 Is that a good thing?

00:11:09.000 Is that a disappointing thing?

00:11:11.000 You can definitely ask.

00:11:12.000 It's a real thing.

00:11:13.000 It took them weeks to do this.

00:11:16.000 It was really tough.

00:11:17.000 There's no obvious plan B. If you, they've been, these Republicans have been giving statements where they say there are 15 different options on the table.

00:11:17.000 There's no one else.

00:11:26.000 Yeah, there's Scalise.

00:11:27.000 Yeah, there's Jordan.

00:11:29.000 But there's a lot of secondary players.

00:11:31.000 And if anyone claims they know exactly what's going to happen, they're kidding themselves.

00:11:36.000 That was the deal is there was one guy who could basically unite the caucus.

00:11:39.000 And we've just thrown him out.

00:11:41.000 And anything's on the table.

00:11:43.000 And I agree, Jim Jordan would be a good speaker.

00:11:46.000 But I think, among other things, there's going to be a non-zero number of Republicans who are going to say, we're not going to reward Matt Gates by giving him, you know, a speaker who's more in his direction over this tantrum that he threw.

00:11:59.000 That's what they would call it.

00:12:01.000 And that just sets up the room for a lot of bitterness.

00:12:04.000 We've had these claims that they're on the brink of a fisty cuff, so they're going to fight each other.

00:12:09.000 Well, that's not good.

00:12:11.000 Yeah, get that clip.

00:12:13.000 And once we have it.

00:12:14.000 Clip 72 of that player.

00:12:16.000 Rep Garrett Graves, Tel CNN's Jake Tapper.

00:12:18.000 There have been fist fights if we didn't recess.

00:12:21.000 Do you agree with Congressman McHenry's decision?

00:12:25.000 He's the temporary speaker, the speaker of Po Tem, to put a pause on the week to let tensions settle.

00:12:31.000 Jake, I'll be really candid.

00:12:32.000 I think if we had stayed together in the meeting last night, I think that you would have seen fists thrown.

00:12:38.000 And I'm not being dramatic when I say that.

00:12:40.000 There is a lot of raw emotions right now.

00:12:43.000 I think it was best to let folks go back home, decompress a little bit, and then come back together.

00:12:48.000 So, yeah, that's the situation that we set up here is we have multiple factions in the house.

00:12:55.000 We've essentially politically assassinated the one often disappointing figure who is at the head of it.

00:13:01.000 And we're in uncharted territory.

00:13:03.000 And I do admit, you know, we've said we like McCarthy's always treated us well, but I do think strategically there's certain he made some huge mistakes.

00:13:12.000 The most obvious to me is the January 6th footage.

00:13:16.000 He said he'd release it.

00:13:17.000 What is the story with this?

00:13:18.000 I don't know.

00:13:19.000 That could have quelled the rebellion.

00:13:20.000 It was always over and over, people would complain.

00:13:22.000 And that's what always signaled the sort of bad, like he didn't mean to keep the deal.

00:13:27.000 It was always like, it's going to come out.

00:13:28.000 Let's play this out.

00:13:29.000 One second, Andrew.

00:13:31.000 One second.

00:13:32.000 If McCarthy Blake would have called Gates into his office the day of the CR and said, here's all the footage, do you think he'd still be speaker?

00:13:40.000 I think it would have made it a lot harder for Gates to.

00:13:42.000 What do you think, Andrew?

00:13:43.000 Let's just play that out.

00:13:44.000 What do you think?

00:13:45.000 So I just wanted to give some inside baseball.

00:13:47.000 I texted a couple staffers about the J6 footage, and their answer to me was, it's already out.

00:13:55.000 Now, I pushed back.

00:13:59.000 I said, I don't think it's all out.

00:14:00.000 And they said, they pointed me to this new Blaze story.

00:14:04.000 And Blake, I could set it to you so you can throw it up on the screen if you want.

00:14:08.000 There is sort of some breaking reporting.

00:14:13.000 It hasn't been widely covered just yet, but it is out.

00:14:20.000 And I'll pull that up for you in just a sec.

00:14:21.000 But I do want to say, Blake, you said, we got rid of the one guy that could unite the caucus.

00:14:27.000 I think the bottom line is McCarthy's mistakes strategically, first on the debt ceiling, secondly on the shutdown fight, were just too grievous.

00:14:38.000 And now you hear a lot of people on either side of that debate say, oh, he lived up to his promises.

00:14:43.000 And then they say, no, he didn't.

00:14:45.000 I mean, at the end of the day, he caved.

00:14:47.000 You know, I think if he would, I think the one thing that could have saved him, the one thing that could have saved him was shut the government down.

00:14:55.000 Show that you're willing to fight for something real.

00:14:58.000 When he chose to sort of capitulate and be the quote-unquote adult in the room, that signals.

00:15:04.000 The way he said it, too, I think bothered a lot of people.

00:15:07.000 I think you're basically inferring that the people who could displace you as a speaker are children for wanting to balance the budget or not even balance the budget, not have a $2 trillion deficit.

00:15:19.000 Yeah, it's there was it sucks because we did get one thing that was good, which is they didn't give more money to Ukraine.

00:15:27.000 But that was the weakest one because we immediately had reports that, oh, they're going to stick it back in.

00:15:31.000 McCarthy supposedly made these promises.

00:15:32.000 Oh, they'll do a situation.

00:15:33.000 And that's the only win we had.

00:15:35.000 And so you needed something.

00:15:37.000 And again, it was if you pair that with, okay, well, now we'll bring up the article that supposedly they did release the rest of the footage.

00:15:45.000 But if they did, they didn't make a lot of noise about it.

00:15:49.000 They could have really hyped it up.

00:15:51.000 He handled it badly. 1.00

00:15:52.000 And man, all these stupid pop-ups that happen on these websites. 1.00

00:15:55.000 Yeah, he started well, though, right? 1.00

00:15:57.000 When he gave it to Tucker Carlson.

00:15:59.000 And then, I mean, that was a massive, massive news story.

00:16:02.000 It must have been intercepted by the intel agencies.

00:16:05.000 Is Jack back on?

00:16:06.000 Jack, why did Kevin McCarthy?

00:16:09.000 We hear.

00:16:09.000 We're here.

00:16:10.000 How's the audio?

00:16:10.000 We good?

00:16:11.000 Yes, Jack.

00:16:12.000 So, Jack, no one's fine.

00:16:12.000 We hear you.

00:16:14.000 No, you're fine.

00:16:15.000 So, Jack, why is it that Kevin McCarthy never released the footage?

00:16:18.000 I mean, what we were saying is a hypothetical, the J6 footage.

00:16:21.000 Kevin McCarthy's going to do this CR.

00:16:23.000 He knows that his right flank is coming from.

00:16:25.000 He's underestimating that threat.

00:16:27.000 What if, hypothetical, he would have brought Gates and Good and all these guys in a room and said, here's a hard drive, guys.

00:16:33.000 45 days, keep me a speaker.

00:16:36.000 This is a big deal for you, right?

00:16:38.000 Do whatever you want with it.

00:16:40.000 Do you think he would still be speaker of the house?

00:16:43.000 Look, I think there are so many things like that.

00:16:45.000 I think the J6 footage, I think even for me, it's more than just the J6 footage, okay?

00:16:52.000 And I've said this before in terms of where I think we should go from now, but one of the big things that a lot of us said going into the new House GOP before the speaker was even decided was don't close the Jan 6 committee.

00:17:08.000 Keep it open, but restructure it so that it becomes under our control.

00:17:13.000 And then it's an investigate, a real investigation into what happened on Jan 6.

00:17:18.000 So it's a more comprehensive answer to the same question because, yes, then it gets you full access to the video, plus investigators.

00:17:27.000 You bring in Darren Beatty, you bring in Julie Kelly, you bring in everybody that's involved, this whole thing.

00:17:32.000 And then when you start issuing subpoenas, you start subpoenaing people that they don't want us to talk to.

00:17:37.000 You start bringing people in, actually get to the situation where we can have those cross-examinations that didn't happen under Pelosi.

00:17:45.000 Look, the Democrats understand theater.

00:17:47.000 They understand political theatrics.

00:17:50.000 Now, does it persuade our side?

00:17:50.000 They understand.

00:17:52.000 No.

00:17:52.000 But their side loves it.

00:17:55.000 Their side is enthralled with it.

00:17:56.000 And then, you know what?

00:17:58.000 There were even people like Steve Bannon, who, when they refused to speak to that committee, then got referred to Congress.

00:18:06.000 And you had snakes like Nancy Mays who went along with it.

00:18:10.000 And then Steve Bannon had to go on trial and is now facing four months in jail because he refused to submit to Nancy Pelosi's committee.

00:18:20.000 Why didn't we have anything like that on our side?

00:18:22.000 We had nothing like that.

00:18:23.000 There is this.

00:18:25.000 I want to introduce another interesting angle here, Jack, and Andrew, Blake, whoever.

00:18:29.000 So there's this talking point.

00:18:31.000 Jack, you've heard it.

00:18:32.000 Tucker Carlson famously said on his program that Kevin McCarthy would climb through a sewer of glass just to be Speaker of the House, right?

00:18:40.000 Blake, he wanted to have his portrait.

00:18:41.000 He wanted to be a guy who has, you know, next to Nancy Pelosi and then John Boehner a little bit over.

00:18:46.000 Yes.

00:18:47.000 Kevin McCarthy was a speaker of the United States House, just like Henry Clay and Sam Rayburn before him.

00:18:53.000 He wanted to be speaker.

00:18:55.000 I think that he was almost what defined his career was, I want to be in charge.

00:18:59.000 I want to be student class president, right?

00:19:01.000 And that was kind of well known, right?

00:19:03.000 Jack in DC circles.

00:19:04.000 But is now a new truth that has emerged?

00:19:08.000 Did Kevin, was he, did he want to not violate, that's a double negative.

00:19:13.000 How do I, how did I word it?

00:19:14.000 There was something Kevin didn't want to be as much as speaker.

00:19:18.000 He didn't want to violate the regime.

00:19:20.000 Because if he would have shut down the government and released the J6 tapes, he would still be speaker. 0.51

00:19:26.000 Maybe he caught the car too.

00:19:28.000 It was like, you know, Matt Gates caught the car of drumming him out.

00:19:31.000 What do you mean by that?

00:19:32.000 Well, so Kevin McCarthy wanted to be speaker and then he caught, he caught the car.

00:19:36.000 He became the speaker.

00:19:37.000 Is like, I don't want it that way. 0.99

00:19:38.000 This sucks. 0.99

00:19:40.000 This is terrible. 1.00

00:19:41.000 We were joking, Andrew, when he became speaker and we said, you sure you want the job?

00:19:46.000 Right.

00:19:47.000 And because it's a four-seat majority, and you're ideologically not necessarily in line with the people that you have to lead, right, Andrew?

00:19:55.000 Yeah, I mean, I think the history, when it's written about McCarthy's speakership, is that he essentially had to sell away any security that he might have otherwise had in order to attain the speakership in the first place.

00:20:11.000 So now the big debate is about this.

00:20:13.000 Can one member of the House bring about a motion to vacate?

00:20:18.000 Right.

00:20:18.000 And so that's why you have Mitch McConnell going on and saying, I want to thank Speaker McCarthy.

00:20:23.000 You've been a tremendous uniparty puppet just like me.

00:20:26.000 But, you know, if I could give one word of advice to the incoming speaker, you know, you got to change that rule.

00:20:32.000 And then you had Jim Jordan.

00:20:32.000 Right.

00:20:34.000 I saw him on with Fox and Friends and Kill Me and said, are you going to get rid of it?

00:20:39.000 And then meanwhile, you had Matt Gates saying, you know, he was asked right after Speaker McCarthy was ousted.

00:20:45.000 He did a little press gaggle outside of the Capitol.

00:20:48.000 And one of the questions were, you know, will you accept the new speaker without this single member being able to bring up a motion to vacate?

00:20:54.000 And he said, absolutely not.

00:20:56.000 So you've got Matt Gates saying he will not approve the next speaker without a single member motion to vacate clause.

00:21:03.000 Meanwhile, you have all the establishment voices saying, get rid of this thing.

00:21:07.000 And Jim Jordan, I think, did a good job.

00:21:09.000 He said in his answer, he said, you know, listen, that's something the conference is going to have to debate and come to an agreement on.

00:21:14.000 But I have a feeling that is going to ultimately be the big sticking point.

00:21:19.000 The question is, can Jim Jordan, who Matt Gates defines as his mentor, can he quell Gates to say that you need two members?

00:21:26.000 I mean, obviously Gates has eight people with him right now.

00:21:29.000 So why don't you just say, well, you need eight votes.

00:21:31.000 You need eight votes to bring a motion to vacate.

00:21:33.000 If not, then here's the next element.

00:21:36.000 Sorry to interrupt, Andrew.

00:21:39.000 The establishment, the regime, they're pissed.

00:21:42.000 Let's use thought crime language, right?

00:21:44.000 I mean, you see these messages.

00:21:45.000 I see it publicly and privately.

00:21:47.000 They're going to want to redefine the Congress in their image.

00:21:50.000 They're not going to do anything that good in Gates, Luna, Donalds, and Roy want to do, right, Blake?

00:21:56.000 Of course not.

00:21:57.000 They're really, at a minimum, they're really annoyed that he just went and, you know, at a minimum, we'll spend a week on this.

00:22:05.000 We could spend many weeks.

00:22:06.000 It could just be essentially derail everything they had planned for this fall, good or bad.

00:22:12.000 And it's all for a guy who, as we mentioned, this is not the end of his career.

00:22:18.000 I'm not sure if he's officially announced yet.

00:22:20.000 He's running for governor.

00:22:21.000 He probably will.

00:22:22.000 Very heavily rumored at minimum.

00:22:24.000 And so, you know, he sees his career as either a different office or, you know, hosting, maybe he wants to host a Fox show or some other program.

00:22:33.000 And that's his future.

00:22:34.000 And he sees this essentially as a way to increase his fame.

00:22:37.000 And so all of these guys who are in the House for the long haul are like, this guy who he's basically using the House as his personal, you know, bully launch, launching pad, his launching pad.

00:22:49.000 And well, this is a chamber of the United States government that has to pass legislation.

00:22:54.000 And it's not just a Fox News show.

00:22:55.000 It is not just, yeah, it's not just a Fox News show.

00:22:57.000 It's not just a bully pulpit.

00:22:59.000 So Jack, let me ask you a provocative question here, since this is thought crimes.

00:23:02.000 This never would have happened with Boehner.

00:23:04.000 This never would have happened with Pelosi.

00:23:06.000 Is there an argument to be had that McCarthy was not Machiavellian enough in creating oppo files, threatening blackmail, and basically telling dissident, rebellious members from the beginning, I will destroy your life if you walk out of line?

00:23:21.000 Well, I suppose you could say that to an extent, if not for the fact that Matt Gates has already had pretty much all the oppo possible drops on the wire in the last couple of years, right?

00:23:32.000 So what could you possibly put out in terms of Oppo to hang over this guy's head that hasn't already been put out over the last, I don't even know, I don't remember exactly.

00:23:41.000 I think 2020, I guess, is when it really started.

00:23:43.000 2021 was the spring of 2021 when they said that he was under DOJ investigation for sex trafficking.

00:23:50.000 It was February or March of 21.

00:23:52.000 And then there's already an ethics investigation open on him currently.

00:23:56.000 So all of this stuff is going on and he just keeps not, he just keeps not going on.

00:24:01.000 So yes, you could make that argument maybe, but with Gates, I don't know what else you could do.

00:24:06.000 It's already all out there.

00:24:08.000 Well, Jack, on that note, we have Senator Mark Wayne Mullen talking about Matt Gates.

00:24:16.000 Do we want to play it?

00:24:17.000 Yeah, let's play it.

00:24:18.000 No, no, no.

00:24:18.000 I just want to say Matt Gates denies all these allegations.

00:24:22.000 This is just a flavor of a taste. 0.95

00:24:24.000 We played it on our show, and I felt uncomfortable playing it because it felt like tabloid-y crap. 0.94

00:24:28.000 But this is a U.S. senator who, by the way, is an ally of McConnell. 0.92

00:24:32.000 This is not like Rand Paul, right?

00:24:34.000 So obviously this U.S. senator is just communicating the OPPO.

00:24:38.000 Basically, they're coming after Matt Gates hard.

00:24:40.000 They're not going to lay off of this sort of narrative, right?

00:24:43.000 They're basically going to say Matt Gates is Hugh Hefner, and they're going to, by the way, listen carefully.

00:24:48.000 He says underage girl in this video.

00:24:51.000 Okay, what tape is this, Ryan?

00:24:52.000 I thought it was like 30.

00:24:53.000 Yeah, play that, please.

00:24:54.000 Play it.

00:24:55.000 You got to think about this guy.

00:24:56.000 This is a guy that didn't have, the media didn't give a time of day to after he was accused of sleeping with an underage girl.

00:25:03.000 And there's a reason why no one in the conference came and defended him because we had all seen the videos he was showing on the house floor that all of us had walked away of the girls that he had slept with.

00:25:14.000 He'd brag about how he would crush ED medicine and chase it with an energy drink so he could go all night.

00:25:22.000 This is obviously before he got married.

00:25:24.000 And so when that accusation came out, no one defended him.

00:25:26.000 And then no one on the media would give him a time of the day.

00:25:28.000 All of a sudden, he found fame because he opposed the speaker of the house.

00:25:34.000 It kind of makes me think, obviously he denies that, although it does make me think of the old Alice Cooper anecdote where he got, he supposedly bit the head off a chicken on stage.

00:25:44.000 And he actually did not.

00:25:45.000 And he denied it.

00:25:47.000 He bit a head off a bat.

00:25:48.000 And I think he literally did it.

00:25:50.000 I can't remember.

00:25:50.000 But Alice Cooper supposedly bit the head off a chicken.

00:25:53.000 And then Frank Zappa calls him.

00:25:55.000 He's like, I don't care what you actually did.

00:25:56.000 Don't deny it under any circumstances.

00:25:59.000 And that's what Alice Cooper lived his entire career doing.

00:26:02.000 And now it's like, so he didn't, you know, admittedly, like the videos he supposedly was sharing, which he denies, like not with underage girls.

00:26:09.000 Sort of like, do you want to, you know, if you're doing this all to get famous anyway, just sort of like be evasive about everything and just say, like, people say a lot of things about me.

00:26:16.000 A lot of these things are unfair.

00:26:19.000 I mean, don't you think it's kind of like Gates has a little bit of that Trump ability where it's kind of baked into the cake that, yeah, we know you were a bit of a Lithario.

00:26:28.000 You know, you had a relationship with, what is it, Cassidy Hutchinson.

00:26:31.000 She denies it.

00:26:32.000 Like, like, you know, Gates is married, though, now.

00:26:35.000 Even Senator Mark Wayne Mullen said, you know, he admitted.

00:26:38.000 He's like, obviously, this was before he was married.

00:26:41.000 I think, you know, listen, I think we're socially conservative on this show, safe to say.

00:26:47.000 However, it's also baked into the cake with Matt Gates that he's not as socially conservative.

00:26:52.000 And this was just the way he was before he was married.

00:26:55.000 I think everybody knows that about him.

00:26:58.000 It looks like he's...

00:27:00.000 What's that?

00:27:01.000 He's like Silvio Berlusconi in Italy, where Silvio Berlusconi is this, you know, right-wing leader in Italy.

00:27:07.000 He'll even, you know, support all of these.

00:27:09.000 Or the Argentinian guy.

00:27:10.000 Yeah, he'll even support socially conservative policies, as does the Argentine guy.

00:27:13.000 The guy's like, yeah, I'm very pro-life, anti-abortion.

00:27:16.000 He's a polygamist.

00:27:17.000 Yeah, he's like a polygamist who is pro-drug. 0.56

00:27:22.000 Yeah, and he does like weird Taoist stuff.

00:27:26.000 Yes, very strange.

00:27:27.000 It's all very strange.

00:27:27.000 And same with Berlusconi.

00:27:28.000 And you just, you lean into it.

00:27:30.000 I'm a colorful character.

00:27:31.000 It's like, what I personally do is not the same as the policies that I support.

00:27:35.000 And you just build the legend up.

00:27:36.000 I mean, that's Gates in a nutshell. 0.95

00:27:39.000 It's just kind of like, can we stop acting like a bunch of losers all the time? 0.97

00:27:45.000 Like, I'm sick of this whole, like, oh, we're the Republicans. 0.96

00:27:48.000 We're the Ned Flanders party.

00:27:50.000 Hi, Diddy Larino Naborino.

00:27:53.000 Did you get the game?

00:27:54.000 Did you see the, you know, what happened?

00:27:56.000 What was going on with the church bombs this week?

00:27:59.000 Like, hand the mic over to Martin Shkrelli, hand the mic over to Donald Trump, hand the mic over to Matt Gates a little bit.

00:28:07.000 And you guys, you'll sit there and you'll say, you know, Mark Wayne Mullen is a guy from Oklahoma.

00:28:11.000 It's the first time he's ever caught a promo in his life.

00:28:13.000 I think the last time he did anything that he actually stood up for was regulating UFC.

00:28:18.000 If you guys remember that bill he was trying to push a while back, it's like, oh, let's get in there and regulate UFC because this is too dangerous. 0.98

00:28:25.000 You know, I remember when John McCain used to say that crap too. 0.99

00:28:28.000 It's like, these guys are such losers and they wonder why they completely lost the culture. 1.00

00:28:33.000 They wonder why nobody takes them seriously. 0.99

00:28:35.000 They wonder why they just sit and they hector you like a bunch of school marms.

00:28:40.000 Seriously, I'm sick of this party.

00:28:42.000 This is why I got out of politics and totally quit politics a long time ago before the Trump movement.

00:28:47.000 It's why I didn't vote for Romney.

00:28:48.000 So I didn't vote for McCain. 0.97

00:28:49.000 It's just ridiculous. 0.99

00:28:50.000 I'm sick of the old GOP. 1.00

00:28:52.000 I'm sick of this crap. 1.00

00:28:53.000 So let's close this up then. 0.99

00:28:55.000 Do we like Trump as speaker, Jack Pesobic?

00:28:58.000 I mean, it's more kind of a fun topic of what this would look like.

00:29:01.000 Dan Crenshaw is not going to vote for Trump as speaker.

00:29:05.000 Okay, let's just be honest, right?

00:29:07.000 I mean, Dusty Johnson, Don Bacon, right?

00:29:09.000 But it's a fun thought exercise, right?

00:29:13.000 The way it happens, the way it happens.

00:29:13.000 Blake.

00:29:15.000 There it is right there.

00:29:16.000 Yeah, just the way it happens is they bring it up and it starts voting.

00:29:16.000 Yeah, Trump.

00:29:20.000 And then they're halfway through.

00:29:21.000 And then some of the Democrats just say, yeah, I vote Trump as speaker.

00:29:26.000 I want to see what happens when that occurs.

00:29:27.000 And they lean into it and they're like, yeah, full chaos mode.

00:29:30.000 And admittedly, I can imagine a lot of funny imagery.

00:29:33.000 One, you buy him a gavel that's two or three times as big as normal one.

00:29:36.000 Just give him the hugest gavel ever.

00:29:38.000 Two, just imagine, imagine we're getting, you know, every time they hold a vote, vote, Trump's like, let's have a nice, clean, fair vote, unlike the 2020 election, which was rigged.

00:29:50.000 And then you have the Speaker of the House election, or Speaker of the House, the State of the Union address.

00:29:55.000 He could either just cancel it.

00:29:57.000 He has to invite Biden to give the speech.

00:29:59.000 He would just give it himself.

00:30:00.000 He could give it himself.

00:30:01.000 He could just say, here's the real state of the union.

00:30:03.000 Up, up, you, as Biden.

00:30:05.000 And I apologize for my terrible Trump accent, by the way.

00:30:08.000 Or we get the normal state of the union, and he's seated right next to Kamala, behind Biden, you know, making all of his facial expressions during the speech.

00:30:17.000 There's a lot of potential here.

00:30:18.000 And I admit it is so ridiculous to imagine, but I want you to occur.

00:30:23.000 Hold on, I won't.

00:30:24.000 Hold on a second.

00:30:25.000 Jack, this obviously plays to all of Trump's strengths, right?

00:30:28.000 Parliamentarian issues, detail, sitting in rooms for six to seven hours on end, organizing people you disagree with to try to have concessions on micro policy debates about the abstractions of corporate tax.

00:30:45.000 All those things obviously play to Trump's strengths.

00:30:48.000 No, see, what I think Trump is actually doing here is this is classic art of the deal, right?

00:30:53.000 It's a threat.

00:30:54.000 So he's threatening that he'll put himself up for speaker.

00:30:57.000 And oh, by the way, threatening that he'll reach out to his entire army, right?

00:31:03.000 As Newsweek calls it, and the FBI call apparently, army of Trump supporters through email and text messages.

00:31:09.000 Can you imagine the text messages, right?

00:31:12.000 Your member of Congress is refusing to support me for speaker.

00:31:16.000 Here's their phone number.

00:31:18.000 You need to call them immediately.

00:31:19.000 You need to get them on the horn.

00:31:21.000 Why do you refuse?

00:31:22.000 And imagine that in every single Republican district in this country going on.

00:31:26.000 No, so what he's doing is he's threatening them.

00:31:28.000 And then he's basically coming back to saying, all right, I'll remove the threat if you agree to MAGA terms.

00:31:35.000 And you have to agree to those terms, number one, to get the Trump threat to go away.

00:31:39.000 But then, number two, also to help him with the election endorsements, et cetera.

00:31:44.000 There's so many things he can use with this.

00:31:45.000 And then, number three, you still have Matt Gates out there with the potential of the MAGA nuclear option, the command by negation.

00:31:52.000 He could do this whenever he wants.

00:31:54.000 The real thing that's very interesting, by the way, is the fact that not a single person has asked what's Ron DeSantis' opinion on the situation, opinion on the speaker question.

00:32:04.000 And that is because the governor has reduced himself into complete political irrelevancy.

00:32:10.000 So, Andrew, Trump for speaker.

00:32:14.000 You know, I got to admit, there's a part of me that really loves it.

00:32:18.000 I think to Blake's point, I can just see the, I mean, let's be honest, DC is a complete circus.

00:32:23.000 It's a clown show, and he can be the Barnum and Bailey of all of it.

00:32:28.000 And I think, you know, there's a part of me that would enjoy the chaos just because how could it get any worse?

00:32:35.000 And actually, maybe he would be surprisingly good at it.

00:32:38.000 When you talk about the art of the deal, getting people together on the same page that disagree with each other, he's actually pretty good at that.

00:32:46.000 Some of his, I would say, worst outcomes as president were probably because he actually enjoys, you know, making friends with Schumer and things like that.

00:32:55.000 So that's maybe you could look at that as a weakness or a strength.

00:32:58.000 I think when you talk about detail, when you talk about parliamentary.

00:33:04.000 I'm kidding.

00:33:04.000 I'm thinking Speaker of the House is an awful job.

00:33:06.000 Let's just be honest.

00:33:07.000 Yeah, no, I completely agree.

00:33:09.000 You have to sit in subcommittee meetings and you have to get yelled at by bow tie guy because page 84 has, you know, a section three has some sort of regulatory issue.

00:33:21.000 And Trump would be like, forget it. 0.96

00:33:23.000 You're the worst. 0.93

00:33:24.000 I used to like you. 1.00

00:33:25.000 Take that stupid bow tie off. 0.99

00:33:27.000 Now you're, it's just like not exactly, it's not exactly, he's a macro guy. 1.00

00:33:31.000 Can we all agree?

00:33:32.000 Trump is macro, right?

00:33:34.000 And this speaker of the house is both macro and micro, where you have to, it's babysitting 217 people, right, Blake?

00:33:42.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:33:43.000 Just imagine him trying to corral them, you know, for the caucus meetings.

00:33:47.000 Even just like the basic fact, the house will now meet at Bedminster.

00:33:51.000 Yeah, he's just, he's going to either force them to leave DC or he'd have to go to DC, which he probably doesn't want to do.

00:33:55.000 He barely like doesn't even have his hotel anymore.

00:33:57.000 Yeah.

00:33:58.000 And it's all right.

00:34:00.000 I wonder if there's any other non-house speakers.

00:34:02.000 Like you could name anyone.

00:34:03.000 You could elect.

00:34:04.000 You could elect Tucker.

00:34:05.000 You could elect Elon Musk.

00:34:06.000 You could.

00:34:07.000 Zeldon is a name that people would be great.

00:34:11.000 Zeldon would be terrific.

00:34:12.000 You could.

00:34:13.000 Anyone.

00:34:14.000 Zeldon could unite the tribes.

00:34:16.000 Zeldon could unite the tribes.

00:34:17.000 Speaker Charlie Kirk.

00:34:18.000 Oh, yeah.

00:34:19.000 You know what's so funny?

00:34:20.000 Someone actually recommended that in the chat.

00:34:22.000 Am I old enough to be speaker?

00:34:23.000 I don't think there's any rules.

00:34:24.000 I think you could elect a child speaker.

00:34:27.000 Charlie turns 30 next week.

00:34:27.000 Wow.

00:34:29.000 I would be a real bad speaker.

00:34:31.000 Let me tell you.

00:34:32.000 That would last.

00:34:33.000 Charlie's on the last gas of 20s.

00:34:36.000 I know.

00:34:37.000 I'm too old for this.

00:34:38.000 I'm returning.

00:34:38.000 The young Charlie Kirk.

00:34:40.000 Next Saturday.

00:34:41.000 I'm done.

00:34:42.000 I made a promise I'd do it till I'm 30.

00:34:44.000 You have to retire because they're going to dine with me because I'm going to go become a college football coach.

00:34:49.000 I gave it 12 years, guys.

00:34:51.000 See you later.

00:34:52.000 It's not a joke.

00:34:52.000 Amen.

00:34:53.000 I'm going to start my college football coaching career.

00:34:56.000 You're going to Colorado.

00:34:57.000 You're going to prime time?

00:34:58.000 I will not coach for Deion Sanders.

00:35:01.000 That would not go well.

00:35:02.000 That would last about an afternoon.

00:35:06.000 Yeah.

00:35:07.000 I'll let everyone kind of just that pause of people wonder why.

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00:36:43.000 Okay, I'm going to take a backseat role in this one because I have honestly had a very long and interesting week. 0.99

00:36:50.000 And you guys have been blowing up our feeds about white liberals that are being stabbed by black criminals. 0.98

00:36:55.000 So I'm not really following this as closely. 0.99

00:36:57.000 So, Jack, educate me.

00:36:59.000 So, you've got this is the love story of Antifa Betty, the tragic love story of Antifa Betty and her Antifa soy friend. 0.52

00:36:59.000 Right. 0.52

00:37:09.000 And what we have here is heavier as a failure to communicate.

00:37:13.000 No, it's 4 a.m. in the morning, two essentially Antifa members, supporters.

00:37:21.000 And this, this, you know, is immaterial, people would say, to the video itself, but I disagree because they encounter, and before we play the video in full, guys, just pause there for a second.

00:37:36.000 Before we encounter what actually happens to them, they're sitting on a bus, you know, bus stop bench, Brooklyn, New York.

00:37:47.000 A crazed black psychopath wielding a knife at 4 a.m. 0.71

00:37:52.000 Walks past them. 0.98

00:37:53.000 4 a.m.

00:37:53.000 Yeah, it's like 3:51.

00:37:54.000 The timestamp is there.

00:37:56.000 He walks past them.

00:37:58.000 In the video, you can see the guy get up off the bench with his girlfriend, walk towards the maniac, engage him, start speaking with him.

00:38:10.000 Then he gets threatened with the knife and finally at that point, freaks out and runs away.

00:38:16.000 He trips over the bench.

00:38:18.000 He is stabbed to death.

00:38:20.000 There's no reaction whatsoever during this at any point from the girlfriend.

00:38:26.000 Then after they leave, she refuses to give the police a description of the assailant.

00:38:34.000 So I think we have the uncensored video.

00:38:36.000 And because this is Rumble, I say we let it fly.

00:38:39.000 Yeah, let's let it fly.

00:38:40.000 And that's actually not unusual.

00:38:41.000 I'm going to give an anecdote at a Germany that actually fits this that you may or may not know about because I actually got very little coverage.

00:38:49.000 Let's play it.

00:39:34.000 So over under how long that guy's going to be back on the streets.

00:39:37.000 Probably less than a decade?

00:39:41.000 Crime of crime.

00:39:42.000 Crime of passion.

00:39:43.000 He'll just say, yeah, crime of passion.

00:39:46.000 I'm sorry, not a, you know what I mean?

00:39:47.000 A crime of excitement, not premeditated.

00:39:50.000 They'll say he was on drugs, systemic racism.

00:39:52.000 We'll just have, you know, the structural racism act of 2028, and they'll just kind of like saw 75% off of all of the prison sentences.

00:39:52.000 Way more simple.

00:40:00.000 Yeah, so, but this gets weird, Jack, or noteworthy because this person was a super left-wing activist, right?

00:40:08.000 And this is happening in a bizarre, like, this is a, well, it's very strange what's happening right now, right, Jack?

00:40:14.000 It's in Philadelphia, here, Baltimore. 0.66

00:40:18.000 There are these pro-BLM white liberals that are getting hunted down by blacks at an alarming rate, right, Jack? 0.91

00:40:24.000 It's the Baitzuo genocide. 0.96

00:40:26.000 It's the Baidzuo genocide. 0.96

00:40:27.000 The Baitzuo genocide.

00:40:28.000 It means white left in Chinese.

00:40:30.000 On Chinese internet, they like to call white liberals the white left.

00:40:33.000 Baitzu.

00:40:34.000 I can't say it right, but.

00:40:36.000 But it's not just whites, right?

00:40:37.000 We got Puebliar, the Democrat congressman who was carjacked.

00:40:41.000 You've got this Shivanti South Benandon, a Minnesota Democrat who got carjacked.

00:40:48.000 And then, yeah, you have this Philly guy who was like obsessed with Larry Krasner.

00:40:54.000 He was shot seven times and killed in his home.

00:40:56.000 And then, you know, and then you're your supporter.

00:41:00.000 He's a Larry Krasner supporter, yep.

00:41:03.000 The guy who my brother actually knew, by the way.

00:41:05.000 What's that guy's name?

00:41:06.000 I don't have it listed here.

00:41:07.000 Josh Krueger.

00:41:08.000 Yeah.

00:41:09.000 Say it again.

00:41:10.000 Josh Kruger.

00:41:12.000 And I don't think we know specifically if that was, he might have been shot by someone he knew.

00:41:16.000 He was in like the drug world.

00:41:17.000 No, no, there is a person.

00:41:18.000 There is a person of interest in that.

00:41:20.000 However, that person was.

00:41:22.000 So we're told that it was a former lover, also similar to the Matthew Shepard situation where he was killed by a former lover, despite what the media will tell you.

00:41:32.000 And in this case, that the same former lover who killed Josh Kruger shot him seven times in the chest.

00:41:38.000 Police also say that this person of interest, and again, person of interest, not suspect, not arrested yet.

00:41:44.000 So all the caveats there.

00:41:45.000 But they do say that there are text messages that seemed very alarming to them from this individual, and that it was the same individual who had essentially broken into his house recently after getting out of prison just some months prior.

00:41:58.000 So it seems to be a to your point, it wasn't like a random killing.

00:42:02.000 So Blake, let's take a step back.

00:42:04.000 Talk about the macro here.

00:42:06.000 So macro, just to kind of put it on display, put up Cut 90.

00:42:10.000 This is a cartoon that actually pre-existed.

00:42:12.000 It was before the last few weeks.

00:42:13.000 It's a kind of a cartoon where it's, you know, this mother and her child walk in and they see kind of this like angry looking kind of white homeless guy.

00:42:23.000 And she's like, let's do her.

00:42:25.000 And then at least we're still alive.

00:42:26.000 And then same thing with a different race where they're like, let's keep going. 1.00

00:42:30.000 And well, at least we're not racing.

00:42:33.000 And, you know, that definitely is kind of a dynamic that probably plays out, for example, in the Brooklyn case.

00:42:39.000 And not in every case, but the big picture here is, you know, a lot of like elite liberals sort of, they'll say all the right things, but they know the score.

00:42:47.000 They don't live in the dangerous cities that they promote.

00:42:50.000 They live in, you know, they either live in a gated community or they live in their nice little like leafy suburb where it still looks like 1978.

00:42:57.000 And, you know, they know what's going on in their cities and they don't take part in it.

00:43:01.000 But you do have these kind of young, more radical ideologues who will very proudly say, like, it's all slander.

00:43:07.000 You know, Krasner is a great DA.

00:43:09.000 This city's awesome. 1.00

00:43:10.000 Everyone who says it's dangerous is full of crap. 1.00

00:43:12.000 And then some of them end up dying. 1.00

00:43:12.000 And they die. 1.00

00:43:14.000 They pay the toll, as it were.

00:43:16.000 But this is where it gets sick.

00:43:17.000 And Jack, I don't want to bury the lead here.

00:43:18.000 The most important part of the story you just kind of said quickly, and I don't think everyone caught it, that the young lady they were dating or whatever, she watches her boyfriend get murdered in the street with a knife.

00:43:30.000 And then when the police ask her, she refuses to disclose the race of the victim, right?

00:43:35.000 Thereby disclosing the race of the boy.

00:43:37.000 No, but again, it's not exactly rocket science.

00:43:39.000 No, what Blake is saying is that if it was a white assailant, then she would have been easily likely to.

00:43:48.000 Yeah.

00:43:49.000 But this is why I tell people, this is a very cynical black pill moment.

00:43:52.000 I hope everyone understands this. 0.99

00:43:54.000 This is a very, this is not funny in the sense of civilizational stuff because some people are saying, oh, you know, they deserve to die. 0.72

00:44:01.000 I don't like that stuff.

00:44:02.000 You guys could disagree.

00:44:03.000 You could, there's an element of, you know, awfully dark irony here.

00:44:07.000 But no, hold on.

00:44:08.000 This is where I get really blackpilled.

00:44:10.000 This is a young lady who watched someone she cared about get slit in the throat.

00:44:15.000 And when the police come to find out who did it, she refuses to give the information because she's more afraid of being called a racist than finding the justice for who killed her boyfriend.

00:44:26.000 I'm going to give you another example.

00:44:28.000 In Germany recently, a young lady was gang raped by a bunch, you know, the story? 0.98

00:44:32.000 By a bunch of Muslims and a bunch of Arabs. 0.99

00:44:35.000 She goes to the police and said, I was gang raped by a bunch of white Germans, lied about the race. 0.99

00:44:41.000 This is a real story. 0.99

00:44:41.000 Remember this. 0.99

00:44:43.000 So the police, right?

00:44:44.000 I don't know the timeline.

00:44:45.000 Prager just told it to me.

00:44:46.000 And if Prager says it, that means he's vetted it because he's very, he's a stickler for this stuff.

00:44:50.000 And I can find the time. 0.99

00:44:52.000 So the police go and try to find a group of white Germans that raped this girl. 0.99

00:44:57.000 She was willing to protect her rapists. 0.97

00:45:00.000 When asked, she said, I did not want to increase the anti-immigrant sentiment. 0.97

00:45:05.000 This is a girl that was gang raped, and she was more concerned about protecting her rapists in pursuit of a racial revolution. 0.93

00:45:16.000 There is no saving these people because, you know, the talking point is, you know, they're going to turn into right-wingers as soon as their friends get murdered and their storefronts get bashed.

00:45:24.000 Jack, what did the friends of this guy say? 0.94

00:45:27.000 The friends came out and they said he would have felt sorry for them for this black maniac because he had a lack of stuff because he was underresourced, not enough resources. 0.93

00:45:38.000 He had under resources and a victim of society and a press member. 0.99

00:45:41.000 And this is why this black pills me.

00:45:44.000 I'm going to be honest.

00:45:45.000 I'm going to say this, and I say this with love.

00:45:48.000 I do say this with love.

00:45:49.000 Okay.

00:45:50.000 For the people out there who think all you need to say is that facts don't care about your feelings, it's actually backwards because these people will never accept appeals to reason.

00:46:07.000 Appeals to reason will never work on them, specifically for liberal women, but liberals in general.

00:46:12.000 It's because they are rooted in empathy.

00:46:15.000 Their politics are rooted in victimization, in empathy, in emotion, in emotional resonance, particularly for liberal women.

00:46:22.000 I tweeted this the other day that what leftism has done is taken the natural maternal instinct and then reprogrammed that for the marginalized and oppressed and victim classes of society.

00:46:36.000 It's completely Marxian, where they've taken this innate instinct that all women have to protect their children, and they've sort of gotten them to latch it on to these different, you know, these different groups of society.

00:46:48.000 And by the way, this doesn't only mean childless millennials or childless women.

00:46:53.000 You could have kids and still believe this stuff too.

00:46:56.000 It just means that they are playing on those natural emotional tendencies.

00:47:00.000 And so if you're sitting there citing statistics and logic and, you know, facts and reason and all this, like this is not even logic.

00:47:07.000 This is this.

00:47:08.000 This is what's so amazing, Jack.

00:47:10.000 You're making a smart point.

00:47:11.000 But when you see a murder happen in front of you, that defies that slit.

00:47:14.000 That's scarring.

00:47:16.000 That is feeling.

00:47:17.000 That's what's so amazing is that it's ideology even over feeling.

00:47:23.000 That's what's in because it's faith.

00:47:25.000 Yes, that's the point.

00:47:26.000 That's what we're getting at. 0.57

00:47:27.000 There's a phenomenology of spirit here where this woman here on screen, I want you all.

00:47:32.000 This is not isolated.

00:47:33.000 We have like tons of examples.

00:47:35.000 She was more concerned, right?

00:47:37.000 Blake, remember that guy in Atlanta that called the cops on the black guy terrorizing his family?

00:47:42.000 Yeah, and he starts crying.

00:47:44.000 I was like this.

00:47:44.000 He was black and all this.

00:47:47.000 So, Blake, I mean, again, I'm not black pilled on everything, but there is this talking point that I hear all the time.

00:47:53.000 Once it gets bad enough, people are going to come to the right.

00:47:56.000 I don't see that. 0.88

00:47:57.000 I see that they will only be like, you know, it's a damn shame that my best friend got slit, his throat slit in front of me, but let the revolution continue.

00:48:06.000 The one that I sometimes think of is Molly Tibbetts, the Iowa girl.

00:48:12.000 No, that's another good one, right?

00:48:14.000 Where 2017, her stepfather or whatever came out, University of Iowa.

00:48:18.000 He says, what he said was, like, I, you know, she was very pro-immigrant.

00:48:22.000 Yeah, she was very pro-im-immrant. 1.00

00:48:23.000 And then he, you know, after she gets murdered by an illegal immigrant, he says, you know, Mexicans, he just says Mexicans are like, they're just Iowans with better food, which, if you want to interpret that literally, it is they are, strictly speaking, superior to us.

00:48:36.000 They are exactly the same as us or better in all ways.

00:48:40.000 Very smart.

00:48:40.000 And you do, like, you will hear this.

00:48:42.000 They'll just be like, oh, man, we're getting a lot of, you know, refugees in this town.

00:48:46.000 What does that mean?

00:48:47.000 We're going to get a bunch of great restaurants, and otherwise, nothing will change.

00:48:50.000 I want to read this headline here.

00:48:52.000 There's actually, I was going to say, there's actually a little more to this.

00:48:55.000 Go ahead.

00:48:56.000 Okay.

00:48:59.000 His friends have launched a GoFundMe for this.

00:49:03.000 They say the beneficiary of this is Claudia Morales, the girl, the girlfriend.

00:49:09.000 They've currently raised $67,000.

00:49:12.000 This is not for funeral costs.

00:49:14.000 This is not for memorial.

00:49:15.000 It specifically says the money is for them.

00:49:19.000 We've got it here.

00:49:20.000 Bring it up on screen.

00:49:21.000 We can take it.

00:49:22.000 What do you mean for them?

00:49:23.000 Is that like a trans thing? 0.97

00:49:25.000 They, them?

00:49:26.000 No, no, no.

00:49:27.000 It says immediate needs are to offset the costs of working class people taking time off of work.

00:49:35.000 And essentially, it says that they're just raising money.

00:49:39.000 Like they're just taking money and exploiting this guy's death to put it in their own pockets to give it to her.

00:49:44.000 And here's what's so crazy, Charlie: is that I've so there's comments on this.

00:49:48.000 There's currently 39 as I look right now because when you when you donate money, you can comment.

00:49:53.000 Not a single one of the comments that I've seen so far have mentioned the fact that he was murdered, have mentioned the murderer, have called for justice, have called for accountability.

00:50:04.000 Someone saying, you love this one, actually.

00:50:08.000 The reaction by some to Ryan's passing jarred me out of a deep, nihilistic, right-wing abyss in which I was living.

00:50:17.000 Reading about Ryan and his work reminded me that each of us has a story.

00:50:22.000 We love, we laugh, we have goals.

00:50:24.000 I will probably think about Ryan every day.

00:50:28.000 Andrew, you haven't chimed in yet.

00:50:30.000 What the hell is going on here? 0.78

00:50:32.000 I mean, this is, I mean, this is really sick. 0.67

00:50:35.000 I was, I'm personally super disgusted by this whole story.

00:50:40.000 And I think my reaction is similar to yours, Charlie.

00:50:43.000 That when we say it has to get bad enough in some of these blue hell holes for it to finally get better.

00:50:50.000 I mean, I think that's true to an extent.

00:50:53.000 I mean, you see, Eric Adams is down in Mexico.

00:50:56.000 He's saying it's ruining, you know, immigration is ruining New York City. 0.99

00:51:01.000 You see this gang rape story out of Bemidji, Minnesota, which is like the sleepiest town in the Midwest.

00:51:09.000 Yeah.

00:51:09.000 It's a migrants to the whitest areas of America.

00:51:13.000 Why is that?

00:51:14.000 Yeah.

00:51:14.000 Well, Minnesota takes in more refugees and asylum seekers, I think, than any other state last I checked, or at least it's proportionally more than any other state.

00:51:24.000 But it's to the whitest areas.

00:51:26.000 Yeah, no, of course.

00:51:28.000 And but you see, this for folks who don't know this story, I mean, it's in the same vein as Brooklyn, Philly, Baltimore, which we haven't touched on yet, where you've got a white enclave.

00:51:40.000 The cops go, this 11-year-old girl was with an aunt, apparently, and the aunt took her out.

00:51:48.000 She gets plastered, says, let's hop in this car.

00:51:51.000 As soon as they get in the car, bags are put over their head. 0.99

00:51:55.000 I think they kick the aunt at some point.

00:51:57.000 They take the 11-year-old girl back to this home.

00:52:01.000 And inside the home, she's tied up in between two other girls who are also tied up. 0.66

00:52:07.000 Four men took turns gang raping all three of them. 0.95

00:52:12.000 One of the girls untied the 11-year-old girl.

00:52:15.000 She manages to escape and they take her to a hospital and she reports the gang rape.

00:52:22.000 The cops execute a search warrant at the home. 0.58

00:52:27.000 And lo and behold, there's 11 illegals just chilling in that home where these girls were getting gang raped.

00:52:33.000 They've arrested one man who's actually native-born Texan, but he's Hispanic.

00:52:39.000 And the 11 others were put in the custody of Border Patrol.

00:52:44.000 What's to happen to them?

00:52:45.000 I have no idea. 0.98

00:52:46.000 I mean, every single one of them, if they were complicit in any way, shape, or form of this crime, should be freaking taken out on the corner of the street and shot point blank. 0.94

00:52:56.000 And the fact that we're just like unleashing hell onto the streets of America, I think that's how your tweet said it, Charlie. 0.95

00:53:04.000 And we are not more outraged.

00:53:07.000 And yes, we are.

00:53:08.000 But the fact that Democrats in these blue cities are not outraged at what they are unleashing onto America, I think is the most morally repulsive and black pilling event of at least the last five years for me. 0.68

00:53:22.000 I am so disgusted, but we see this trend in the media, and we should show image 101.

00:53:29.000 And it's a side-by-side because not only would this girlfriend not back to the New York Brooklyn poet, not only would the girlfriend not describe the victim or the assailant, now he actually, police get this guy and CBS blurs out his face.

00:53:47.000 And so we were having a debate, and Blake was like, is that common?

00:53:50.000 I was like, I don't think so.

00:53:51.000 I've never seen that before.

00:53:52.000 Except for the moment.

00:53:52.000 Of course it's so common.

00:53:53.000 It's because it's a black person who has privilege in America. 0.98

00:53:57.000 No, of course.

00:53:58.000 So that side by side with Daniel Penny, also CBS News, we see his face real clear.

00:54:04.000 Now he's infamous.

00:54:05.000 Now he'll never live a normal life again for defending people on a subway car from a crazy man. 0.59

00:54:11.000 But yet this guy stabs a poet.

00:54:13.000 The girlfriend won't describe what he looks like.

00:54:16.000 They get him.

00:54:16.000 CBS won't even show him.

00:54:19.000 And so it's so endemic.

00:54:21.000 It's so like saturated through and through, both the media complex as well as the little puppets on the street at 4 a.m.

00:54:30.000 I mean, I don't know how you fix it.

00:54:33.000 The brainwashing is so thorough.

00:54:36.000 And you can't fix it.

00:54:37.000 And this is what, and I had the long private conversation with Prager, and I asked him this because I really respect his moral clarity on this.

00:54:45.000 And he said, Charlie, I was of the belief for a couple decades that you hit rock bottom, then all of a sudden people start to wake up.

00:54:52.000 And it's not.

00:54:52.000 It's what Alexander Solshenitsyn wrote in the Gulag Archipelago.

00:54:55.000 This is all thanks to ideology.

00:54:57.000 Ideology will trump reality.

00:54:59.000 Yes.

00:55:00.000 That's what's so unbelievable.

00:55:02.000 Most Americans and the most American right, there is this inevitability.

00:55:06.000 There's this, hey, it's going to get bad.

00:55:08.000 And then all of a sudden, people will come to their senses.

00:55:11.000 Like, no, it's just going to get worse.

00:55:14.000 It's a vision.

00:55:15.000 I think a lot of it's sort of a very common fantasy is probably the best word.

00:55:20.000 A lot of conservatives believe it.

00:55:22.000 A lot of conservatives like the idea that people aren't listening to me, but there will be this day where there's this big cataclysm and everyone turns to you and it's like, you were right, Charlie.

00:55:32.000 Why didn't I listen to you?

00:55:33.000 Oh, I was so wrong.

00:55:35.000 And then they like sob and then you rebuild America.

00:55:37.000 It's like, it's sort of like the fantasy of, you know, there's an apocalypse and then you're the one who was prepared for it and all of that.

00:55:44.000 But yeah, the sad truth is, people can persist in ideological insanity to incredible depths.

00:55:51.000 The mind is so unbelievably powerful.

00:55:54.000 There are people who just fanatically believed in Adolf Hitler all the way to the point where, you know, the Soviets were in Berlin and gang raping everyone there and they had just completely destroyed their country and they still believed in him secretly afterwards.

00:56:08.000 And, you know, there were diehards for every regime. 0.76

00:56:12.000 It makes me think of two things.

00:56:14.000 One, you know, I've always wondered why, you know, in the Bible story of Exodus, Trump didn't let the original generation get to the promised land.

00:56:23.000 He let them all die off before they could.

00:56:25.000 Except Caleb and Joshua were only two that got in.

00:56:28.000 Honestly, for some reason, that's what I'm thinking of right now.

00:56:31.000 It's like, how do you get to the promised land with these types of people in your ranks?

00:56:35.000 I don't know.

00:56:35.000 It's depressing.

00:56:36.000 Secondly, it makes me think of the fact, you know, this debate of what to do on the border.

00:56:41.000 You know, all these, all these groups and Texas and Florida shipping migrants, illegals, to blue cities. 0.82

00:56:49.000 I mean, we're just going to get stuck with them forever.

00:56:52.000 I mean, these people will accept them.

00:56:55.000 So this is where conservatives get it wrong.

00:56:59.000 They think that they can just let things collapse, things will get worse and fall apart, and then we can come in and sweep things up.

00:57:06.000 No, that will not work because these people have been presented in ideology that persuades them.

00:57:11.000 The only response to this is an organized response, an organized vision for a way out, an organized system, a coalition of coalitions, if you will, whatever you want to call it.

00:57:24.000 You have to actually present a vision for what's coming forward.

00:57:29.000 You must articulate that vision.

00:57:31.000 You must organize your ranks.

00:57:33.000 You have to go around the country.

00:57:34.000 It'd be amazing if we had an organization that was going around organizing youth.

00:57:38.000 Hey, we should start one at some point.

00:57:40.000 Someone should do chapters.

00:57:42.000 Someone should do that.

00:57:43.000 You were trying to change the direction of America.

00:57:45.000 It's like you're trying to reach.

00:57:47.000 There's almost a point of turning.

00:57:50.000 We'll think of a name.

00:57:51.000 Jack, sorry, continue.

00:57:52.000 And then, and then you turn USA.

00:57:55.000 Love it.

00:57:56.000 Turn around.

00:57:58.000 Turn you. 0.97

00:57:59.000 How about this?

00:58:00.000 180 America.

00:58:02.000 I love it.

00:58:02.000 180.

00:58:04.000 No, and it's, and it's, and the thing is, is, is, people just assume that you, it's, it's going to happen by itself.

00:58:10.000 It won't. 0.97

00:58:11.000 This is why the Trump movement existed because people finally got off their butts. 0.86

00:58:15.000 They found a leader that people could rally behind, someone who had a clear, articulate vision for the way forward, someone who wasn't a loser, like one of these Ned Flanders old right Republican conservative dorks and was actually going to go forward and say, we're going to make America great again. 0.92

00:58:30.000 We're going to be rich.

00:58:31.000 We're going to be awesome.

00:58:32.000 We're going to put people on the moon and we're going to tell commies to shut up and we're going to send them back to Trotsky. 0.95

00:58:37.000 And it's basically a situation like that where it needs to come up again.

00:58:41.000 And if you don't have someone actually out there articulating it and organizations building it up, you are going to lose.

00:58:48.000 And this ideology, and by the way, thanks to the internet, right? 0.75

00:58:50.000 This crap isn't just stuck in like San Francisco and the inner city and stuff. 0.97

00:58:54.000 No, it's in every single school board of the entire country. 1.00

00:58:58.000 And then thanks to the migration policies, you've got illegal alien pedophile gang rape gangs running through Bemidji, Minnesota. 0.96

00:59:08.000 So if you think that like, oh, it's just something I don't have to worry about. 1.00

00:59:11.000 Yeah, just wait until the migrants show up in your neighborhood and start gang raping your children. 1.00

00:59:16.000 Then you got to worry about it. 1.00

00:59:18.000 So if you go deep into Mexico, I mean deep, right?

00:59:22.000 And the cartels control everything. 0.68

00:59:23.000 There was a story recently I heard from someone that works for us who has family in Mexico where a guy raped a nine-year-old and the police get their hand on this pedophile.

00:59:35.000 And he's in the police house.

00:59:36.000 This happens all the time in Mexico.

00:59:38.000 And the cartels just came into the police house.

00:59:39.000 It was like, no, we're taking them. 0.79

00:59:41.000 And yeah, they cut that guy's nuts off, strung him up and killed him in the public square and left him there for a week. 0.99

00:59:47.000 Taliban started as pedophile killers too. 0.96

00:59:50.000 No, and I'm not saying that's that's actually why they got so popular.

00:59:52.000 But I'm not saying that's what we do here. 0.96

00:59:54.000 But what the point is that white liberals that go to college is like, well, we must feel sorry for the pedophile. 0.86

01:00:00.000 And you look at it like you must be taught this, is what I'm saying.

01:00:03.000 Is that at the most fundamental like existence, the third world, they don't put up with this stuff, right?

01:00:10.000 This is not something that is considered normal or acceptable.

01:00:14.000 You look at what is the commonality of every single one of these people right now, the blogger in Philly, the young lady that got raped.

01:00:20.000 Is it true that that young lady who is the tech CEO, Forbes 30 under 30 or whatever, that she held the elevator for her killer?

01:00:27.000 She let him in her building.

01:00:28.000 She let him and let him in her elevator. 1.00

01:00:31.000 And she had, you know, so if she was racist, she was probably still alive.

01:00:35.000 Think about this.

01:00:36.000 If she would have been racist, she'd still be living. 0.99

01:00:38.000 Number 95. 0.97

01:00:39.000 Show it again. 0.87

01:00:40.000 Charlie is patterned 100% racist.

01:00:43.000 No, no, no, no.

01:00:44.000 This is a thought crime. 1.00

01:00:45.000 If she would have been a bigot, she'd still be breathing. 1.00

01:00:48.000 Yeah.

01:00:49.000 Got it.

01:00:50.000 But remember, just like in just like in Brooklyn, to cross the street is racist.

01:00:55.000 No, but think about it.

01:00:55.000 So those two people on the street, it was Obama criticized his grandmother, I believe, for being someone who would cross the street if she saw an ominous looking person.

01:01:04.000 That's exactly right.

01:01:06.000 I remember there was like a radio interview.

01:01:08.000 Don't believe you're lying out.

01:01:09.000 She was a typical white person, I think, is what he said. 0.75

01:01:12.000 She was a typical white person.

01:01:12.000 I'm not making a defense for bigotry or racism.

01:01:15.000 I'm just, what I am saying, though, is that there's worse crimes, where there's worse things than bigotry or fear of strange black men.

01:01:23.000 Charlie, what you're touching on is actually deeply profound to the American psyche.

01:01:28.000 How I'll never forget, I was at a bar.

01:01:32.000 It was like a cigar lounge in LA.

01:01:34.000 I'll leave the name off.

01:01:35.000 The guy, the guy's a Cuban guy who owns it.

01:01:38.000 Actually, Michael Knowles has been in there.

01:01:39.000 I found that out that night.

01:01:40.000 But the point is, he was beloved.

01:01:44.000 This guy, everybody loved this guy.

01:01:47.000 And I was talking to him and he was making fun of how much Americans care about racism.

01:01:52.000 He's like, oh, in Cuba, we just call a spade a spade about all this stuff. 0.60

01:01:56.000 But the American psyche is so conditioned to put, you know, this accusation of racism and why it's been such an effective cudgel against those of us on the right for years is that if you call somebody a racist, it's, you know, like a death sentence.

01:02:13.000 I think that that era is changing slowly.

01:02:16.000 But yeah, I mean, nobody's.

01:02:17.000 But I mean, like this, let me just like interrupt.

01:02:20.000 Like, if you're a single white female in an urban area and you see a 22-year-old black guy that wants to get into your building and you have like maybe a pattern recognition, honestly, God bless you for not letting that guy into the building. 0.98

01:02:32.000 Okay, he has to wait for the next person.

01:02:33.000 You're still alive.

01:02:34.000 But no, instead, she's like, well, I don't want to be called a racist. 0.58

01:02:38.000 Let the revolution continue. 1.00

01:02:39.000 Oh, he comes in and rapes you and kills you. 1.00

01:02:41.000 Maybe a little bit of noticing would have been good. 1.00

01:02:45.000 You'd still be alive.

01:02:46.000 Pattern recognition saves lives.

01:02:49.000 What I'm getting at, though, is they're so afraid of violating the unforgivable sin of America.

01:02:59.000 It's not blaspheming the Holy Spirit or taking the Lord's name in vain.

01:03:02.000 It is thou shalt not have a racist thought, right?

01:03:05.000 And it's uniquely American.

01:03:07.000 I mean, I'm not saying that Australia don't have similar sort of things or whatever built into their society ethics, but America, because of the Civil War, because of slavery.

01:03:17.000 And you know what's funny is that so much of that is astro turf. 0.95

01:03:21.000 If you want to flip everything on its head, how about we say it like this?

01:03:24.000 No, America sacrificed 600,000 people to writing that wrong.

01:03:29.000 Yes.

01:03:30.000 No, you know what?

01:03:30.000 America, you know, the West in general ended slavery, right?

01:03:36.000 I mean, there's some serious slavery until the British Empire got rid of it.

01:03:40.000 Well, they're still selling slaves in Africa.

01:03:43.000 They're still selling slaves in Africa.

01:03:45.000 So I'm just saying it's like we have been so conditioned and brainwashed from a very young age to think this way.

01:03:53.000 And it's actually all BS.

01:03:55.000 I'm not saying that racism isn't wrong.

01:03:57.000 It's not real.

01:03:58.000 Sure.

01:03:58.000 But like the vast majority of this, what we call racism is what, you know, what we just diagnosed is pattern recognition.

01:04:05.000 You know, God help us for wanting to protect our family from something like that.

01:04:09.000 And also, it's just not even close.

01:04:10.000 3% of the population does 60% of the murders.

01:04:13.000 It's 3%.

01:04:14.000 Yeah, because it's, you know, it's not even just, you know, the usual one is that black Americans commit more murders, but it's even narrower than that.

01:04:21.000 It's, you know, if you take black men, like 15 to 26 or so, that is the range where a huge proportion of America's murders, robberies, everything. 0.75

01:04:34.000 You know, if you're women mostly don't commit too many crimes, and just like when you're old, you mellow out, you stop committing crimes, or you're in jail for crimes you've already committed. 0.70

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01:06:24.000 So, Jack, I'll be very honest.

01:06:26.000 I do not have the spirit, the gusto, or the interest in Columbus Day.

01:06:29.000 Why should I care?

01:06:30.000 The floor is yours.

01:06:32.000 Well, Charlie, do you care about a little something called the United States of America?

01:06:36.000 Do you care about a little something called the West?

01:06:39.000 Do you care about a little bit, something called the country in which we live that we are trying to save every day?

01:06:44.000 Well, none of that would exist if it wasn't for the man himself, Christopher Columbus.

01:06:49.000 And the real question that I have is, Christopher Columbus, was he a hero or a superhero?

01:06:56.000 Personally, for me, I'm going to go in the superhero column.

01:06:59.000 The man who was trying to find gold in order to fund another crusade to win over the Holy Land, the same way that King Ferdinand had just kicked the Moors out of Spain in the Reconquista.

01:07:13.000 They were eventually trying to kick the Moors and their brethren out of the Holy Land in the same year, by the way, the Rey Conquista ended. 1.00

01:07:19.000 Blake, what year?

01:07:21.000 1492.

01:07:23.000 What else happened that year, Blake?

01:07:25.000 Columbus sailed the ocean blue.

01:07:27.000 Every time you see it all, it all fits together right.

01:07:30.000 But how many people told you that it was directly tied to the Reconquista of Spain, the re-Christianization of Spain, of bringing Christianity to the new world, which they later found out it was the new world, and then hopefully the finding of gold in order to fund a new crusade against the Holy Land, which I mean, there's so many different things that are tied into this that just get completely taken out.

01:07:55.000 And look, look at how many cities in this country we've got named after Columbus.

01:07:59.000 Look at how many statues.

01:08:01.000 Our capital city is called the District of Columbia, based on Columbus.

01:08:06.000 Here's one for PopQuiz for anybody out there.

01:08:09.000 What is the statue on top of the United States Capitol building?

01:08:13.000 It's probably Christopher Columbus.

01:08:15.000 It's probably some woman named Columbia.

01:08:17.000 Well, it's the woman Columbia who is the stylized, you know, sort of goddess of America based on Britannia, who was the, you know, sort of the stylized goddess of Great Britain.

01:08:29.000 And then so this is, but again, based on Columbus, because the original name for America, which was very highly favored among even a number of the founding fathers, was to call our country Columbia based on the heroism and the exploits of Christopher Columbus.

01:08:45.000 And so, and I see people will say, like, what about Eric the Red?

01:08:49.000 What about, you know, what about the fact that he just got lost?

01:08:52.000 And it's like, you're, you're completely, you're completely missing the actual impact of the man's accomplishments in life and the absolute world historic change that it had on basically the entire planet and the trajectory of humanity.

01:09:11.000 All right.

01:09:12.000 That's the Italian propaganda, Blake-Wise Iran. 0.98

01:09:15.000 I mean, here's the counter-Jacquesovic is here.

01:09:17.000 Columbus Day is just the 1800s version of Juneteenth, which is America had a ton of Italian immigrants.

01:09:24.000 They were a controversial addition to the United States.

01:09:27.000 They were sometimes associated with urban, you know, urban crime problems and such.

01:09:33.000 And, you know, they were like, okay, we need to placate them with a holiday.

01:09:37.000 And so in a way, Columbus Day is just the 1800s version of Juneteenth.

01:09:42.000 Like, do people really celebrate Columbus?

01:09:44.000 The Founding Fathers confirmed.

01:09:46.000 I mean, the Founding Fathers, if you can point me towards the Founding Fathers celebrating Columbus Day as a federal holiday, all of them.

01:09:53.000 I'm not talking about celebrating Christian Day.

01:09:55.000 I'm talking about celebrating Columbus and Columbus's accomplishments, which is very clear.

01:09:58.000 So what I will say is that Columbus was a deeply faithful man.

01:10:05.000 Some of the writings from Columbus, you know, people, I don't know, I think they would criticize him as a, you know, you know, genocide against the natives.

01:10:15.000 These are some like, you know, I want to ask that.

01:10:17.000 Yeah, some of the comments that people will make this way and that way.

01:10:21.000 If you read his writings and you are a believing, spirit-filled Christian and you read Columbus's writings, you will instantly know that his faith was authentic.

01:10:30.000 His faith was so spirit-filled, so profound.

01:10:33.000 And I believe God absolutely, providentially led Columbus.

01:10:39.000 So zero doubt in my mind.

01:10:40.000 Just about three minutes.

01:10:41.000 Like, is there any truth to the blanket thing?

01:10:43.000 The blanket thing, not by Columbus.

01:10:46.000 That was allegedly done as a war tactic in the 1700s.

01:10:49.000 It was Lord Jeffrey Amherst, namesake of Amherst College.

01:10:52.000 They're very upset about that one today, of course.

01:10:54.000 But he's allegedly the one who did it during the French and Indian War, I believe.

01:10:58.000 Oh, Columbia University.

01:10:59.000 There's another one.

01:11:00.000 Yeah, Columbia.

01:11:01.000 There's Columbia stuff.

01:11:01.000 Yeah.

01:11:02.000 I mean, overall, obviously, it's fun to say, you know, it's 1800s, Juneteenth.

01:11:05.000 But yes, like we should, you know, celebrate Columbus because ultimately, Columbus discovering America was, it was a good thing, if only because it led to the creation of the United States of America, the greatest country in the history of the world, of course.

01:11:19.000 And it created the modern world.

01:11:22.000 We just, we cannot comprehend the world as it exists without Columbus being the guy who decided to miscalculate the size of the world, think he could sail to China in less time than it would actually take.

01:11:33.000 And he, you know, ran into America and it created the modern world.

01:11:38.000 We're all going to eat the foods that created.

01:11:40.000 We're going to live under the society.

01:11:44.000 And just he created, he actually created the global world, essentially.

01:11:48.000 Before that, it was just a bunch of continents far separated.

01:11:53.000 And it is because of Columbus's legacy that we live in a world that is fully interconnected and is Western in orientation, not Eastern, not Middle Eastern, not anything else.

01:12:03.000 All right.

01:12:04.000 Closing thoughts, guys.

01:12:05.000 We have lots to get to.

01:12:07.000 Got to hit the road, head to Florida.

01:12:08.000 Any closing thoughts, Jack?

01:12:11.000 Christopher Columbus was a brave Italian explorer.

01:12:15.000 And in this house, Christopher Columbus is a hero.

01:12:18.000 End of story.

01:12:22.000 Great.

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01:12:27.000 That was a really great episode, I got to say.

01:12:29.000 We got into some pretty good stuff there.

01:12:32.000 And we're going to have some guests coming up on the Charlie Kirk show, C-Taylor, that is going to help fill in the blanks of noticing.

01:12:42.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 07, 2023

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 16 — House Speaker Trump? Mocking the Dead? Columbus: Hero, or SUPERhero?

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