The Charlie Kirk Show - October 14, 2023


THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 17 — Hamas-Loving Lefties? Colonialism = Great? RFK Hurting Trump?


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We talk about the latest out of Israel and the atrocities and the massacre there, and so much more. Thanks to our sponsor, Turning Point USA, for supporting the show and supporting the cause of freedom on campus.

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00:01:14.000 All right, everybody.
00:01:15.000 Welcome, Thought Crime.
00:01:17.000 What a week.
00:01:18.000 We are not in our usual location.
00:01:20.000 We're here in sunny South Florida.
00:01:22.000 We're here with Blake.
00:01:22.000 Blake, say hi.
00:01:24.000 We have Tyler, who is in studio.
00:01:27.000 Tyler, say hello.
00:01:28.000 Holding down the fort here for you, Charlie.
00:01:30.000 That's great.
00:01:31.000 I love the Noble Gold Investments hat.
00:01:33.000 And then we have Jack Pesobic as well.
00:01:35.000 Jack, what a week.
00:01:37.000 What a week.
00:01:37.000 Charlie, not much going on.
00:01:39.000 Like, I'm not really sure what we're going to talk about, to be honest.
00:01:41.000 It's been kind of quiet.
00:01:42.000 Like, you're watching the baseball playoffs, man.
00:01:44.000 Who you rooting for?
00:01:46.000 Billy's doing all right.
00:01:47.000 You know, I'm liking that.
00:01:49.000 D-BAX.
00:01:50.000 Wait, you know, yeah, wait, where, Tyler, where are the Diamondbacks in?
00:01:50.000 Yeah.
00:01:55.000 Are they still in contention?
00:01:56.000 Is how little I care about baseball.
00:01:57.000 Producer Andrew will be happy to know that the Diamondbacks are going to sweep LA tonight.
00:02:02.000 So, guys, I wasn't serious.
00:02:04.000 Oh, wow.
00:02:04.000 So, he's got to deal with it now.
00:02:07.000 We're talking about baseball, and they are going to get swept really bad.
00:02:13.000 That's the Dodgers experience.
00:02:14.000 You win 110 games and then you get swept.
00:02:19.000 So, in other news, Jack, walk us through what has been happening in the Middle East.
00:02:24.000 Israel, walk us through it.
00:02:26.000 Well, Charlie, it's been amazing.
00:02:27.000 And the reason that I bring up the baseball situation is because people know my family's from Philly.
00:02:32.000 And so, you know, it's like in the family chat, we've got this chat where they're giving us, oh, you know, here's the play-by-play of whatever game is going on.
00:02:40.000 Like, oh, somebody got a hit, somebody got it out, et cetera, et cetera.
00:02:43.000 And then every single other channel on my phone, my telegram, my signal, various other apps that I use that I'd rather not talk about on air.
00:02:53.000 I'm just getting full-on war atrocities, complete insanity that's going on in Israel on the back of this attack, this insane terrorist attack from Hamas on civilians living in southern Israel on these farming settlements, these remote farming settlements known as Gibbetses.
00:03:16.000 And then also this music festival, this rave that was going on right outside of Hamas, where hundreds of people were now being told were completely shot down, cut down, murdered, entire families, villages torn apart.
00:03:30.000 And it's just amazing watching this sort of play out.
00:03:35.000 You know, these are the type of, Charlie, these are the types of killings that, you know, there was an idea of soldiers who said the same thing that we read about in a historic textbook from the Bronze Age, you know, the slaughtering of an entire village by one group.
00:03:50.000 This is not the kind of stuff.
00:03:53.000 It's very Old Testament.
00:03:54.000 I'll put it that way.
00:03:54.000 It's very Old Testament.
00:03:56.000 And it's happening, of course, in the very land of the Bible itself.
00:04:02.000 I think a lot of people didn't think this would be something that could happen in our modern age.
00:04:06.000 And a lot of those people are called liberals because they don't understand that human nature does not change.
00:04:12.000 And so we find ourselves in this situation.
00:04:15.000 But what's even crazier is that, you know, initially we thought, well, certainly everyone will condemn this.
00:04:21.000 Horrible.
00:04:22.000 So it's so gruesome, these images.
00:04:25.000 And then we had groups here in Washington, D.C., in Chicago, in Dearborn, Michigan, come out and not only start holding rallies that are pro-Hamas, like we saw in Dearborn, Michigan recently, but we've even seen one organization, they're called Black Lives Matter, release statements in full endorsement.
00:04:48.000 Some saying, now, some saying we back the Palestinian people.
00:04:52.000 But there was one out of Chicago that actually posted essentially a meme that said, I stand with Palestine and showed this image of a power glider.
00:05:03.000 The reason being is that power gliders and paratroopers were used to land in this rave and start slaughtering people.
00:05:12.000 So, I mean, this is people have compared it to Israel's 9-11. 1.00
00:05:16.000 I think that's accurate. 0.99
00:05:17.000 I mean, it is not 9-11, but it is like 9-11 for them. 0.51
00:05:22.000 I mean, 10-7 might be the new thing we have to say, but they're just straight up supporting a terrorist attack.
00:05:30.000 There's no other way about this.
00:05:31.000 I mean, this is full-on barbarism.
00:05:33.000 And what's interesting for us is that, Charlie, in 2020, if you said BLM is a terrorist organization, you would have been fired.
00:05:43.000 You would have lost your job.
00:05:44.000 You would have been canceled.
00:05:46.000 You've been kicked out of the military.
00:05:47.000 You've been whatever, whatever you were part of, you were done.
00:05:50.000 Your children would be kicked out of school, probably taken from you and given off to some other family. 0.81
00:05:54.000 But no, no, turns out that BLM, they were terrorists all along. 0.81
00:05:59.000 Who knew?
00:06:00.000 You know, it's always the ones you least expect.
00:06:00.000 Who knew?
00:06:02.000 Yeah, and Jack, you and I led on this as the Israeli atrocities were being reported.
00:06:07.000 We said, watch closely.
00:06:08.000 BLM and Hamas are going to use similar messaging.
00:06:11.000 Blake, this is something we're exploring on our show. 0.96
00:06:13.000 Introduce our audience to Franz Fanon.
00:06:16.000 Did I say that right?
00:06:17.000 I'll just say Fanon because I'm an American, so I don't need to worry about the correct way to pronounce it.
00:06:22.000 So yeah, walk us through.
00:06:23.000 Who is this tricky little philosopher?
00:06:25.000 So Franz Fanon, whatever.
00:06:29.000 I wish he was Franz Ferdinand, like the group or the Dead Archduke.
00:06:32.000 Anyway, Franz Fanon, he is this Afro-Caribbean left-wing intellectual.
00:06:36.000 He's written a lot of some of those foundational texts that even, you know, the right will often overplay how much leftists actually read some of these works.
00:06:45.000 But this is a guy who's read.
00:06:46.000 He wrote a book called The Wretched of the Earth.
00:06:49.000 It's probably his most famous one.
00:06:50.000 And the opening chapter of that book, The Wretched of the Earth, is called On Violence.
00:06:56.000 And this is the opening line of on violence.
00:07:00.000 National liberation, national reawakening, restoration of the nation to the people or commonwealth, whatever the name used, whatever the latest expression, decolonization is always a violent event.
00:07:14.000 A few lines later, it is the, quite simply, the substitution of one species of mankind by another.
00:07:22.000 And it goes on like this for 60 pages.
00:07:24.000 And he's describing how the act of colonization is dehumanizing.
00:07:29.000 It reduces the colonized person to a status that is less than human.
00:07:33.000 And the way you reclaim your humanity, he writes, is to just violently destroy the colonizer. 0.97
00:07:39.000 He really relishes in this.
00:07:42.000 And we see people explicitly citing this guy on Twitter, on other social media platforms, saying, yes, this is what he means. 0.74
00:07:51.000 Decolonization means not just expelling the colonizer, and that is what they regard all the Israelis as as colonizers, but it is specifically to do these horrible atrocities to decapitate children, to rape women, to torture the elderly, to take their cell phones, call their family members and say, hey, check out your Facebook page. 0.56
00:08:11.000 And then when they log in, they see an uploaded video of their loved one being tortured to death and they cackle about it.
00:08:17.000 This is people are just saying, like, yeah, what did you think we meant when we said, you know, decolonize Palestine?
00:08:23.000 This is what we meant.
00:08:24.000 And this is a serious academic thinker in certain circles.
00:08:29.000 Yes, this is, this would be, I believe I saw that this guy's works are in the curriculum of Washington state as one of those Pullman Washington.
00:08:38.000 Yeah.
00:08:39.000 And just all sorts of this is, this is a core text of the radical left.
00:08:45.000 This is the sort of thing that they will read and cite to one another.
00:08:48.000 And it's almost like they're shrugging and looking at us and like, you didn't think we were serious.
00:08:52.000 You thought we were joking the whole time.
00:08:54.000 You thought this was a metaphor.
00:08:56.000 And it's no, it is very much not a metaphor.
00:08:59.000 And, you know, they're going to put out posters that celebrate paratroopers who go in to kill civilians.
00:09:05.000 It's, it'd be like if they, you know, put out a poster that was like, we stand with Germany and it has like a train that they would send to one of the camps.
00:09:13.000 Yeah.
00:09:14.000 So, Tyler, what has been your take on the reaction to the Israel atrocities from the media, from the left, and from the right?
00:09:25.000 Because it seems as if it's creating a lot of chatter amongst the American right and even causing some division.
00:09:31.000 Yeah.
00:09:32.000 So, I mean, I actually think that the Israel issue is uniting everybody more than anything else.
00:09:39.000 You know, we have the speakers race.
00:09:41.000 So, you know, you've got, it's like a really odd thing.
00:09:46.000 This is just my perspective right now.
00:09:48.000 I've seen more commentary about bring Trump back after what's happened in Israel than anything else.
00:09:54.000 Right.
00:09:55.000 So you've got this scenario that's playing out where it's like, well, you know, Trump's going to be our guy.
00:10:02.000 And this is not just for Trump and about Trump and Trump connected to Israel, but the Israel issue is now pushing more Trump, like more pro-Trumpism amongst the people who are undecided.
00:10:12.000 And then the undecided is now realizing like, hey, we don't want to walk into 2024 with people who are like not on the same page with Trump.
00:10:21.000 And by the way, we don't want to mess around with people who are more interested in the Ukraine war than protecting Israel.
00:10:29.000 And so I think that that's starting to be the conversation that's playing out.
00:10:32.000 And I'm seeing actually amongst activists and people who are close to members of Congress and people who are close to other legislators and politicians that are in our states that are saying, hey, we need people who are absolutely locked in on priorities at this point. 0.97
00:10:47.000 And the priority isn't having squabbles in a stupid presidential primary where the frontrunner is up 50 points. 0.66
00:10:56.000 And by the way, it'd be really nice to have a speaker that was lockstep with the president. 0.99
00:11:00.000 And, you know, can you totally trust that the next guy is going to be?
00:11:05.000 And by the way, is the next guy going to be focused on the right priorities, which are, you know, Republican-centered priorities, America putting America first priorities.
00:11:15.000 And that doesn't really include the Ukrainian war at this point.
00:11:18.000 So, you know, that's that's a good thing, I think, for the party because I think it's actually consolidating more.
00:11:23.000 I think you're going to see Trump's numbers actually keep continue to go up.
00:11:27.000 And I think that's part of the reason why you're seeing Jim Jordan get such a good look.
00:11:30.000 I mean, it'd be so competitive.
00:11:32.000 I don't think a couple of years ago, anyone would have ever thought that Jim Jordan even had a shot at becoming speaker.
00:11:37.000 And now, look, he's like right in the mix here, you know, against Scalise to take over the speakership.
00:11:45.000 And I think that that's all tied together as one.
00:11:49.000 Jack.
00:11:50.000 You know, what's so disturbing to, I think, a lot of people and to me in general.
00:11:58.000 So when I saw Hamas doing this and I saw the immediate response by these leftists talking about decolonization, and it was amazing because I think we're going to talk about it in a minute here, but when they specifically talked about, you know, it was Christopher Columbus, right?
00:12:16.000 It was Christopher Columbus Day this Monday.
00:12:20.000 And I said, well, look, this is the exact same type of narrative, the rhetoric, the phrasing that they use specifically to talk about white people in the United States.
00:12:32.000 And they say, you are a colonizer.
00:12:35.000 Now, that word didn't originally come from left versus right in the U.S. I've never heard that in the liberal conservative debates during the Trump, or excuse me, during the Bush years, right?
00:12:46.000 This really came up during the Obama years.
00:12:48.000 This came up during the rise of the first sort of the first Ferguson moment, the first BLM movement in 2014, 2015.
00:12:58.000 And then suddenly with the rise of calling people, of calling out white supremacy, white supremacy, white supremacy, we've all seen those New York Times charts, then suddenly where these phrases were not discussed at all prior to the Obama presidency, and then suddenly have this massive hockey stick curve to the right, that instead they started calling people colonizers and rhetoric and linguistics and linguistic warfare or something that I wrote a whole book on it.
00:13:26.000 I'd look at this called 4D Warfare.
00:13:29.000 And so I noticed this term being employed not only by the left in this country, the intersectionalitists, intersectionalitists, if that's a word, and then also by Hamas, essentially over in Israel.
00:13:44.000 And then we know we can see this because if you go, all right, I'll give you an example, right?
00:13:48.000 If I'm at, if I'm going to speak somewhere on a college or Charlie, if you're going to speak when you go out, you'll see this, that when Antifa shows up, you'll notice that within that crowd of leftists, you'll see trans flags, you'll see Antifa, the black and red, but then you'll also see some Palestinian flags.
00:14:06.000 You'll see Hamas supporters.
00:14:08.000 And you'll say, wait a minute, what does this have to do with this?
00:14:12.000 These are totally separate things.
00:14:13.000 You'll see BLM flags. 1.00
00:14:14.000 This is where the intersectionality meets the radicalization, because at the end of the day, it's all about just kill all the white people, right? 1.00
00:14:24.000 Kill Whitey, you know, in Israel. 1.00
00:14:27.000 I say, they've been doing this all along. 1.00
00:14:30.000 You guys called us crazy for talking about this.
00:14:33.000 You guys called us insane for calling it out.
00:14:35.000 And this has been the right worldview now for a decade because we've told you this was coming.
00:14:42.000 You all just called us conspiracy theorists for accurately noticing and assessing the situation.
00:14:48.000 Well, and Jack, like this is like the, I think, where Republicans have an opportunity at this point to talk more about how corporatism and these corporations really created this monster.
00:15:03.000 And if we don't make that transition where it's, hey, all that money, you know, you gave to support BLM, which seemed like a really nice, you know, nice thing to do at the time, you know, and then they immediately turned around, burned down cities.
00:15:19.000 Now they're seeing like the long-term impacts of that.
00:15:21.000 I mean, this is, they're not funding, you know, a pro-black narrative. 0.94
00:15:26.000 They're funding, again, like you said, an anti-white, a eliminate people, eliminate Jews narrative. 0.98
00:15:35.000 This is, this is crazy stuff. 0.99
00:15:38.000 No, it's completely insane.
00:15:40.000 It's completely insane.
00:15:41.000 And there was the story earlier this week about, and people questioned, there was skepticism, this decapitation of babies, beheading of babies.
00:15:50.000 People said it happened.
00:15:51.000 People said it didn't happen.
00:15:52.000 People said that maybe it happened, but it wasn't.
00:15:55.000 Et cetera, et cetera. 0.58
00:15:57.000 But the real interesting point of this was that no one on the left seemed to have a real big problem with whether or not babies were decapitated as long as they were Jewish babies, as long as they were colonizer babies. 0.71
00:16:11.000 And I think that by and large, most people on the left look at this situation and they just see brown people fighting white people. 0.82
00:16:18.000 So they take the side of the brown people, right? 0.50
00:16:20.000 They're not actually going in and deciphering all the knowledge. 0.97
00:16:24.000 And then, yeah, you know, Mia Khalifa will come up and show. 1.00
00:16:27.000 Well, she shows a lot, but she'll come up and she'll post some graph or whatever, but she doesn't actually understand any of these things.
00:16:35.000 She just wants to cut. 0.98
00:16:36.000 By the way, Mia Khalifa, who has a fatwa issued against her because she did hardcore porn while wearing a hijab, now suddenly she's going to come in and act like she's all pro-Islam. 1.00
00:16:45.000 No, I don't think so. 0.84
00:16:45.000 Excuse me. 0.84
00:16:46.000 No, she's trying to get back in the good graces.
00:16:48.000 But what you really see here is a mass support for violence, for expulsion, for ethnic cleansing, for genocide. 0.55
00:17:00.000 It's completely insane.
00:17:02.000 And yet, and I'll throw this out there as well: that I haven't actually seen the ADL, Jonathan Greenblatt, say a single word about the fact that BLM has come out in full support, not just of Palestine, right?
00:17:16.000 Or like the Palestinian people. 0.86
00:17:17.000 Palestine is not real.
00:17:19.000 But Hamas and Hamas attacks.
00:17:23.000 The ADL, who goes after all of us on a regular basis, can't find a single problem with someone who's like actually supporting the deaths of Jewish families.
00:17:32.000 Just want to point that out there.
00:17:35.000 Well, Mia Khalifa is a perfect example of the tables turning on hipster racism. 1.00
00:17:43.000 You know, you brought up Kill Whitey.
00:17:46.000 You remember the, what was it, Tommy Boy?
00:17:52.000 Was it Tommy Boy where Chris Farley gets Kill Whitey, the Kill Whitey scene? 0.78
00:17:56.000 Anyways, all that came from like the hipster racism, which was that goofy appropriation of white people pretending to be black.
00:18:03.000 And that's where kind of like a lot of this stuff actually started, even amongst white people about the white guilt and then turning into white guilt.
00:18:12.000 Mia Khalifa is actually the opposite.
00:18:14.000 She's participating in hipster racism, appropriating, you know, American and white culture. 1.00
00:18:23.000 And then the guilt of what she's done and doing the exact same thing just on the opposite side.
00:18:31.000 And the result, though, is that people are dying.
00:18:35.000 And this is insane stuff.
00:18:37.000 And literally, there's nobody calling it out at all in the media on the left and anything like that at all.
00:18:43.000 And it's like literally of a porn star appropriating this stuff.
00:18:48.000 It really tells you where the state of the country is at right now.
00:18:52.000 So, Blake, talk more about decolonization.
00:18:54.000 And then also, is colonization good?
00:18:58.000 That'll be a big, that's a good topic.
00:19:00.000 Yeah.
00:19:00.000 So the decolonization thing, you know, this is the actually the real, we could actually play number 22 here.
00:19:08.000 Let's play 22. 0.98
00:19:09.000 By the millions will return.
00:19:19.000 By the millions will return. 1.00
00:19:23.000 Setless settler you will win.
00:19:26.000 Let's settler.
00:19:28.000 So they're saying there, settler, settler, you will learn by the millions will return.
00:19:33.000 And that's actually been sort of the central sticking point of like Israel-Palestine conflict for the entire history of it.
00:19:40.000 We will return that slogan they use from the river to the sea, which is from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean. 0.82
00:19:47.000 That's the elimination of Israel is what it is.
00:19:49.000 That's not an exaggeration. 0.86
00:19:51.000 Or at least when they say, you'll sometimes hear them say the right of return. 0.92
00:19:54.000 And what that essentially is, is it's a demand for, at minimum, like an open border with Palestine, which is they all have the right to move back into the rest of Israel proper. 0.83
00:20:04.000 And that is the idea of decolonization to them, that to remove any of the Jewish portions of Israel from being the Jewish portions of it. 0.89
00:20:13.000 And especially in the past, that was really big because if they did that, they would outnumber them. 0.83
00:20:17.000 At this point, that would no longer be the case. 0.62
00:20:19.000 And so that introduces a different dynamic where sometimes you'll even see very pro-Israel people say, like, the solution to this is they should just forcibly annex Gaza and the West Strip and the West Bank and say, you know, you guys are all in our country now and we're still the majority.
00:20:35.000 Deal with it.
00:20:36.000 It's a very strange thing.
00:20:38.000 But that actually might be what the best outcome is because if we want to talk about colonialism, like what is the best thing to have happened to the Eastern Mediterranean in the last thousand years? 0.98
00:20:48.000 It's the fact that now there is a Jewish majority country there that has made it a first world place to live. 0.98
00:20:55.000 Was this area of the world ever that nice to live in before then? 1.00
00:20:59.000 Not really since the Romans bulldozed it 2,000 years ago.
00:21:02.000 It was poor.
00:21:03.000 It was often war-torn. 1.00
00:21:04.000 It was backwards. 1.00
00:21:06.000 It was like a desert place.
00:21:07.000 It was certainly not prosperous.
00:21:09.000 And now it's the exact difference.
00:21:11.000 It's one of the richest countries in the world.
00:21:12.000 It's a huge agricultural producer.
00:21:15.000 It has industry.
00:21:16.000 It has a high-tech industry. 0.93
00:21:18.000 And the portions of the Near East that are not owned by Israel are basically terrible. 0.87
00:21:23.000 And probably the single best thing that could happen is if they actually were running the West Bank and Gaza to the same extent they're running at the root of the defense of civilization, which was made possible thanks to colonialism, this idea that some ideas are better than others and some form of civilization is more preferable for humanity. 0.77
00:21:44.000 And they don't like that.
00:21:45.000 They believe, and they don't even believe it.
00:21:47.000 What they say they believe is this like fake egalitarianism that all cultures are equal. 0.96
00:21:52.000 Who are you to say that Western society is better than Hama? 1.00
00:21:57.000 Exactly. 0.99
00:21:58.000 It really is.
00:21:59.000 And I think a lot of it is ultimately rooted in envy.
00:22:02.000 It's very traumatic.
00:22:03.000 Yes.
00:22:03.000 If you're in a culture to see, look around and say, like, we're starving half the time.
00:22:09.000 We've not created any, you know, we're poor.
00:22:12.000 We've not created any art that other people aspire to.
00:22:15.000 And then other cultures are just throwing it out constantly.
00:22:18.000 Like, even if you're a European, you look at what's accomplished in a country like England and you're filled with seething envy at what they've done.
00:22:26.000 They launched the Industrial Revolution and you could be like, oh, well, they're just, you know, they're only worried about money.
00:22:30.000 Except they also write the best books and they've produced many of the best painters.
00:22:35.000 And they just dominate like crazy.
00:22:38.000 And this causes so much seething resentment.
00:22:41.000 And often the way this manifests is the only way they can cope is they just want to smash it all to pieces.
00:22:47.000 You know, after they decolonized parts of Africa in Kenya, for example, there were these kind of estates that the Europeans had in Kenya. 0.57
00:22:55.000 And they didn't just take them over. 0.59
00:22:57.000 They actually sent in bulldozers and they destroyed what was already there. 0.85
00:23:02.000 And the reasoning was that these were estates, you know, for just a handful of Englishmen and were going to let thousands of Kenyans survive and make these rich plantations there and such.
00:23:12.000 But instead, often they just fell into ruins after they did that. 0.77
00:23:15.000 And that's often what decolonization looks like in practice. 0.94
00:23:18.000 It's kill a ton of people, destroy, burn everything down, you know, plunder the wine cellar and drink all of it, even though that's not allowed in Islam. 0.98
00:23:27.000 And then you look around afterwards and you're like, well, we did it. 1.00
00:23:30.000 You're smiling over a smoldering ruin.
00:23:32.000 Kind of like what we saw in Baltimore and Minneapolis, doesn't it?
00:23:36.000 So Tyler or Jack, whichever one wants to take it.
00:23:41.000 Colonization.
00:23:43.000 Sorry, I was hearing somebody talk to some news report in my ear.
00:23:46.000 It's very strange.
00:23:47.000 Yeah, someone's on the side of street or something.
00:23:51.000 Jack or Tyler, just start talking.
00:23:53.000 Well, you know, I think I think one of the interesting, most interesting parts of this debate is, you know, and I think this is really going to expose it in Europe.
00:24:03.000 And I think this is where you're going to see the, and again, I don't know, Jack, if you want to go down this road at all and talk about this, but I think that rhetoric that they're using in Israel, you know, a lot of Europeans start going, wait a minute, you're taking over our country. 1.00
00:24:21.000 And there's a lot, Islam is taking over our country. 0.95
00:24:24.000 And so if you believe that, then you need to get out of our country in Europe. 1.00
00:24:29.000 And, you know, we're seeing this wave, you know, particularly in the northern parts of Europe that have been just like kind of just like, oh, you're welcome to come here. 1.00
00:24:37.000 And now they're going, wait a minute, in Norway and Sweden and other places, now they're starting to get really uncomfortable because it looks like Muslims are going to be the, that's going to be the number one religion very quickly in many of those countries. 0.95
00:24:52.000 And so it's like, if it makes sense, if that argument makes sense for Palestinians and Israel, what is the argument in Europe? 0.80
00:25:01.000 Well, and of course, you know, you look at all this, right?
00:25:04.000 So, and you can say this writ large.
00:25:06.000 So this is, it's communism, but it's also, which is sort of morphed into a sort of third worldism. 0.58
00:25:13.000 From a historic perspective, I think we really need to point out that what we're dealing with here in all of this is just the detritus of the breakup of the Soviet Union.
00:25:22.000 So the PLO was set up originally by the KGB.
00:25:26.000 I mean, this is pretty well known.
00:25:28.000 The first leaders of the Palestinian, was the National Congress or whatever they tried to say, were basically picked directly by Moscow.
00:25:36.000 This is back in the 1960s.
00:25:38.000 And this was part of that whole process of you sort of had like the U.S.-backed group, the Western-backed groups.
00:25:43.000 And it's Cold War era stuff.
00:25:45.000 It's all Cold War era stuff, right?
00:25:46.000 That's the way to put it.
00:25:47.000 So these groups and then Hamas, which is sort of like the successor organization to the PLO, all have these proto-Soviet connections because of the way they were founded. 0.52
00:25:58.000 There's Ojalan down in Kurdistan with the Kurds is the exact same way.
00:26:03.000 Like democratic, you know, inter-socialism or something.
00:26:03.000 What do you call it?
00:26:09.000 Basically, there's a reason that you see all these groups flying their sort of third world nationalist flag along with the hammer and sickle.
00:26:17.000 And then they stand in solidarity with all the other Marxist groups like BLM, which they perfectly said are a Marxist group.
00:26:26.000 And so, and you get obviously this mix of Islam is kind of in there as well.
00:26:31.000 But when they're chanting Allah Akbar, they're not actually praying when they're saying that.
00:26:37.000 They just know that's something that you say when you kill somebody.
00:26:40.000 And I think that most Americans were probably right about that at the end of the end of 9-11, when 9-11 happened.
00:26:50.000 And so when you're trying to actually have a serious conversation about any of this, you run into this problem where you're just starting to take these people seriously and starting to take the ideology seriously, but it's not.
00:27:02.000 And Blake is 100% right.
00:27:04.000 And, you know, write down the date because you're not going to hear me say that often, but Blake's 100% right that these guys, it's all envy.
00:27:12.000 It's envy, it's greed, it's jealousy.
00:27:15.000 And then ultimately compounds with the other.
00:27:19.000 And as Charlie, you know, this is sinful.
00:27:21.000 This is part playing on our sinful nature.
00:27:24.000 And there's a reason that we have two commandments against what?
00:27:29.000 Against covetousness, right?
00:27:31.000 Two commandments about this because it was that strong that covetousness was so bad for the human spirit and human nature that we have two commandments specifically about different types of covetousness, one on one on goods, one on women, spouses.
00:27:49.000 That if you come up with some sort of ideology, some sort of rationalization or justification to turn envy into a political movement, it will always turn out this way.
00:28:01.000 And it's always going to turn out this way.
00:28:03.000 It always has turned out this way, whether it's Rwanda, whether it's the Palestinians, whether it's Russia, whether it's China, whether it's France.
00:28:14.000 Again and again and again, this will play out if you feed into these negative emotions.
00:28:21.000 And I guess what I'm trying to say is that you can make a lot of money running around and walking people through all this stuff, but at the end of the day, you're just going to come back to what Blake said.
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00:29:46.000 So let's continue this kind of colonization talk.
00:29:48.000 Blake, some of them will say, but it displaces native tribes and it destroys their original culture.
00:29:53.000 How would you respond to that, Blake?
00:29:55.000 Well, first of all, not being colonized also is constant displacement, constant warfare.
00:30:00.000 Like humanity is, you know, before modern civilization, humanity is like almost a Hobbesian state of war of all against all, or at least brutish and short.
00:30:09.000 War of my group against your group.
00:30:10.000 It's not a very fun way to live for a lot of people.
00:30:13.000 It certainly is devoid of a lot of the things we take for granted today.
00:30:18.000 You know, a thing you said on Twitter the other day is that, you know, overall, colonization has been a net positive to the world.
00:30:24.000 I've got the tweet in front of me.
00:30:26.000 Colonizers brought superior values, institutions, philosophy, technology, and norms to the rest of the world.
00:30:33.000 Colonialism brought order to a world of chaos and it dragged a world of darkness into the light.
00:30:39.000 And is that true in every single case? 0.89
00:30:41.000 Absolutely not.
00:30:42.000 There are certainly a lot of wars, certainly a lot of atrocities associated with colonialism.
00:30:48.000 But the end result is like if you live in a country that was part of the British Empire, you're better now.
00:30:54.000 You are better now. 0.58
00:30:54.000 I mean, so I'll give you an example. 0.58
00:30:56.000 I mean, if you go through the Caribbean, the Caribbean's a really interesting test case, right?
00:30:59.000 The wealthiest islands, because they're basically very similar cultures, not all of them.
00:31:04.000 The wealthiest islands are by far the ones that embraced British colonialism, right?
00:31:09.000 Like Grand Cayman, Turks in Caicos, the ones that are the poorest, like Haiti, for example, which had French-type roots and they kicked them out, didn't do too well, actually.
00:31:20.000 You know, and yeah, Haiti, I mean, you can understand how Haiti came about the way, because Haiti was a very grim slave colony.
00:31:26.000 No, I'm not defending what was there prior, but they're the poorest by far nation in the Caribbean. 0.94
00:31:32.000 The most fatal thing they did is they launched their slave revolution, which succeeded. 0.99
00:31:36.000 Which was a moral thing to do. 0.99
00:31:38.000 Very moral and understandable. 0.97
00:31:40.000 But then after that, what their second leader did, Dessalines, I believe was his name, he killed all the white people on the island. 0.83
00:31:48.000 Like after they'd won, they basically did not. 0.76
00:31:50.000 Wait, that's not insignificant.
00:31:52.000 So let's actually talk about Haiti.
00:31:54.000 So Haiti embraced decolonization as that France lunatic would have written it.
00:31:58.000 How did it work out for Haiti?
00:32:00.000 Well, they have been the world's poorest countries.
00:32:04.000 Pretty much the world's poorest country ever since.
00:32:07.000 They've had recurring civil wars.
00:32:10.000 It's so bad at this point.
00:32:11.000 One second. 0.84
00:32:12.000 It's so bad at this point that you can't even do the agriculture that once made Haiti prosperous as a slave colony, unfortunately.
00:32:20.000 But they can't even imitate that as a free country because the topsoil has eroded away so badly.
00:32:26.000 And now it's...
00:32:28.000 So is it fair to say that Haiti is a test case in decolonization the same way that South Africa is a test case in critical race theory, like as an ideology of your government?
00:32:37.000 Meaning like we now know what happens if you try to decolonize.
00:32:40.000 It certainly shows that if you go maximum decolonization, you're probably not going to get the best outcome.
00:32:45.000 Whereas, yeah, as you say, states that lean into it. 0.84
00:32:48.000 Or another great example, to be honest, is let's take a look at China.
00:32:52.000 Hong Kong is a British colony up until the end of the 20th century.
00:32:56.000 And what is the richest part of China in the People's Republic?
00:32:59.000 It's Hong Kong, because Hong Kong has the strongest legacy of a colonial institution compared to everywhere else in China, which is under the People's Republic practicing Marxism or was under this imperial regime that they had before that.
00:33:15.000 And Singapore, also a British colony, also amazingly successful relative even to the rest of Southeast Asia.
00:33:22.000 Yeah, but finish your thought.
00:33:24.000 India was a British colony.
00:33:25.000 India was a British colony. 1.00
00:33:26.000 And again, this is a good example. 1.00
00:33:28.000 It's not always good. 0.99
00:33:29.000 There were major wars in India that the British had to go through to establish themselves, but it grows enormously.
00:33:35.000 And then here's the really telling thing: after they become independent, they react against much of this.
00:33:40.000 They embrace a lot of Soviet economic theory.
00:33:43.000 And India is very stagnant for decades before they kind of learn.
00:33:48.000 You know, those guys had a point and they embrace a lot of more free market norms, stuff that we would regard as more overall Western.
00:33:56.000 And then they're finally growing to reach the potential that everyone knew they had a century ago, but they had kind of a lost half century in between those times.
00:34:05.000 So I want to zero in on just one element of this that you mentioned.
00:34:09.000 The inheritance of colonization can be common law, the respect of private property. 0.98
00:34:14.000 We know that if you have that as an inheritance, your country will be far better off than witch doctors in Haiti. 0.94
00:34:21.000 For sure, for sure. 0.84
00:34:23.000 You get laws, institutions.
00:34:25.000 I mean, often colonialism, you know, them setting up a native parliament to run the government on the way out is the first time they have a democratic government of any sort.
00:34:36.000 And all of these, so many things that we would take as granted, constitutional rights, freedom of speech.
00:34:43.000 A lot of these are just inherently a Western legacy, which we learned at a grave price.
00:34:49.000 It was very difficult for us to learn these lessons ourselves.
00:34:53.000 And to an extent, places that got colonized, even if it was traumatic, were essentially given an opportunity to be brought up to Europe's level far faster than Europe itself was able to get to that point initially.
00:35:06.000 And places that lean into that legacy do very well.
00:35:09.000 Places that actively reject that legacy, wherever they are, don't do as well.
00:35:15.000 And, you know, what's one of the most westernized countries in Asia?
00:35:18.000 It's Japan, because they actively decided to embrace it after the United States opened up Japan.
00:35:25.000 They almost go insane trying to imitate us. 0.50
00:35:27.000 They start dressing the same way we do, like it's magical.
00:35:31.000 They copy, you know, the uniforms that their soldiers wear, they copy from Europeans because they're just like there's something, they have something.
00:35:39.000 And the result is they grow enormously. 0.84
00:35:41.000 After World War II, they copy us even more.
00:35:43.000 They get a Western-style parliamentary government.
00:35:46.000 Which is great.
00:35:46.000 You should copy Western ideas.
00:35:48.000 Copy us.
00:35:49.000 The West is the best.
00:35:50.000 Jack, your thoughts on this.
00:35:51.000 West is the best.
00:35:52.000 We should be not just clear, but unapologetic.
00:35:57.000 We should be proud.
00:35:58.000 We should have, honestly, these countries should be thanking us that we brought them the work of Blackstone and the breakthroughs of the Western tradition that is an outgrowth of the biblical canon. 0.99
00:36:09.000 They progressed a lot more than the scalping and earth worship of the Navajo Indians. 0.98
00:36:17.000 Yeah, Cortez did nothing wrong. 1.00
00:36:20.000 This idea that we could have let the child sacrifices continue that were being practiced not just throughout Mesoamerica and South America, but also all the way up as far north as right across the Mississippi River from St. Louis.
00:36:37.000 There's this ancient Indian burial grounds where people have gone in and looked at these things where they're filled with the bodies of teenage girls, with the bodies of young children.
00:36:49.000 People believed that this they were being done to produce greater agriculture, greater yield.
00:36:55.000 You know, then we're all told, but oh, no, no, no. 0.71
00:36:58.000 See, Squanto taught the Indians far, or excuse me, Squanto taught the pilgrims farming.
00:37:03.000 So that's that's what they taught. 0.90
00:37:04.000 Yeah, except they leave out the fact that Squanto learned all that from Europeans because he had actually lived in Europe before he came back to the United States. 0.86
00:37:15.000 It's completely insane what was going on in many of these cultures.
00:37:18.000 And one thing, by the way, just as an anecdote, which I think is hilarious, is, and Blake, I think you'd appreciate this because it lines up with what you're saying.
00:37:26.000 Is I started this meme, I don't even know how you call it, but I started this whole meme about like whether or not your ancestors developed wheels in their country.
00:37:36.000 Because we made this meme of Columbus getting to the United States or getting to, you know, the new world, I should say, getting to the new world, and him saying, wait a minute, you've been here for how long?
00:37:46.000 Where are your wheels?
00:37:48.000 Where is your bronze?
00:37:49.000 Where are your ships?
00:37:50.000 Where are your roads? 0.88
00:37:51.000 And then it's amazing because so many people, liberals and even some conservatives too, will go back to that completely idiotic book from the 1990s called Guns, Germs, and Steel and try to use all of these types of like legalistic and mental arguments to get out of the fact that these civilizations were not able to develop wheels independently, 0.52
00:38:19.000 that they were pulling things around for thousands and thousands of years.
00:38:24.000 And essentially, Columbus and Cortez and the other explorers encountered a Stone Age group of people, a Stone Age people, when they arrived on the American shores, a group of people that responded thusly in many cases, by the way.
00:38:43.000 And basically, it's as simple as this. 0.93
00:38:46.000 So the meme ends up like this: I will not sit here and be lectured to by the descendants of wheelless people. 0.96
00:38:54.000 Okay, so, and I love that. 0.98
00:38:56.000 And it's also a moral evolution, not just a technological one.
00:38:58.000 Blake, let me contribute one kind of thought on this biblically.
00:39:04.000 I said this on the show. 0.80
00:39:04.000 So there's a lot of talks about, you know, Hamas coming and raping the women. 0.80
00:39:07.000 Blake, you know history better than anybody that I know.
00:39:10.000 Raping of women was normative in the ancient world and even up until recently, correct? 1.00
00:39:15.000 Yeah, I mean, it's pretty natural. 1.00
00:39:18.000 Say, you know, in wartime, you know, if you want to get an example of what maybe all like Stone Age people are like, you could look at, you know, some of the Indian tribes in America, like the Comanches. 0.83
00:39:27.000 So the Comanches were this tribe on the plains, and they would launch raids into Texas, into Mexico.
00:39:34.000 And what do they do? 0.97
00:39:35.000 They go for captives.
00:39:36.000 And unfortunately, what do they do if they take women as captives? 0.98
00:39:39.000 They're raped immediately and they're taken back.
00:39:42.000 And that is basically what happens to them after that. 0.90
00:39:45.000 And they would also like torture them. 0.90
00:39:47.000 You know, they would burn them with hot coals.
00:39:48.000 Like, what is the most basic, primal thing humans kind of like to do?
00:39:51.000 They kind of like to inflict suffering on people.
00:39:54.000 And it is a long process of moral evolution to overcome that. 0.86
00:39:58.000 And this is a moral evolution that, thankfully, under the influence of things like Christianity, the West began to go through. 0.85
00:40:05.000 I was telling you, you know, 500 years ago, the code of the Holy Roman Empire, Charles V, has the death penalty for rape, and this applies to soldiers in wartime as well. 0.98
00:40:14.000 Not always perfectly administered, but that is the law.
00:40:17.000 400 years ago, the Swedish military under Gustavus Adolphus, death penalty if you commit rape.
00:40:23.000 As a victorious soldier in the king's army, if you do this, you will be shot.
00:40:27.000 Napoleon, he goes to Egypt and he puts out a statement to his men. 0.98
00:40:30.000 He says, everywhere in the world, a man who commits rape is regarded as a monster. 0.99
00:40:34.000 And if you do that here in Egypt, I will shoot you. 0.99
00:40:37.000 The Union military, during the Civil War, we hang men who are convicted of rape, dozens of them. 0.99
00:40:43.000 We do it during World War II.
00:40:45.000 You know, I think World War II would be considered a time that's pretty intense, where we're, you know, willing to go all out for victory, and yet we still say that is not acceptable to behavior to do in our army. 0.94
00:40:55.000 We will hang you if you do that. 0.91
00:40:57.000 And then now we go to Hamas, which is this is civilization versus barbarism. 0.97
00:41:02.000 Yes, they are certainly more, they have more technology, more modernism, more access to modern morality. 0.82
00:41:07.000 They have Wi-Fi.
00:41:07.000 They have smartphones.
00:41:08.000 They have Wi-Fi.
00:41:09.000 They have access to the full gamut of moral texts, moral lessons, anything you want.
00:41:15.000 They live better than, you know, they live better than a lot of millionaires lived 200 years ago.
00:41:21.000 And yet they still embrace atrocities like raping women and this outburst of savage violence.
00:41:27.000 And it's because they are rejecting the moral lessons that come with, you know, with civilization.
00:41:34.000 It is not just a rich, it's when they say they want to decolonize, they mean decolonize morally too.
00:41:39.000 And one of the moral takeaways of the West that we have spread to the rest of the world is, yeah, you can't just rape people because you invaded their house.
00:41:49.000 You can't just enslave a defeated enemy.
00:41:52.000 That's another thing we spread to the world, the abolition of slavery.
00:41:55.000 The West did not invent slavery, but we did end slavery.
00:41:58.000 And so let's talk about kind of rape and war, because that was normative until the Bible came along.
00:42:04.000 There's a very obscure but unbelievably important and applicable law in Deuteronomy where it says at war, if you come across a female that you want, you're not allowed to touch her.
00:42:17.000 You cannot rape her. 0.99
00:42:18.000 If you want to keep her as a wife, you can bring her back home. 0.99
00:42:22.000 She has to mourn her family for 30 days, and then you may only touch her if you marry her. 0.57
00:42:29.000 That's a massive moral achievement when you think about it. 0.90
00:42:32.000 It's certainly, it's vastly more moral than what Hamas is practicing. 0.94
00:42:36.000 Well, no, but you think about it. 0.77
00:42:37.000 I mean, you have rape and murder everywhere to this day.
00:42:40.000 And it's a law that they say is from God that the only way you're allowed to be with that woman is by marriage after 30 days.
00:42:48.000 And honestly, think about it.
00:42:49.000 It's like that woman becomes less attractive after she's been crying in your house for 30 days. 0.56
00:42:52.000 And you must really want her at that point.
00:42:52.000 Yeah.
00:42:54.000 It really is one of the most important things about the Judeo-Christian heritage, which is almost, you know, basically every human civilization has a moral code for members of its own tribe. 0.87
00:43:04.000 Like, yeah, definitely in even in Hamasa society, yeah, if you rape another, you know, Palestinian in your society, they'll probably kill you. 0.87
00:43:13.000 And they might kill her too, honor killings, all of that nasty stuff. 0.99
00:43:16.000 But they have very strict moral codes within their tribe, but it's often anyone outside the tribe has no moral worth whatsoever. 0.98
00:43:22.000 You can do anything you want to them, especially for non-Jewish women. 1.00
00:43:26.000 Exactly. 0.99
00:43:26.000 Deuteronomy 21. 0.99
00:43:27.000 That's the important legacy of Judeo-Christian morality is the idea that actually all people have some kind of moral words.
00:43:34.000 You must love the stranger.
00:43:36.000 Yes, that's exactly right.
00:43:37.000 And that is a hugely important thing.
00:43:39.000 And it is a gift of, you know, a gift of Christianity to the world that the West spread that norm to more places.
00:43:47.000 And the fact that people don't know this or don't acknowledge it is really just proof of how strong that moral evolution was, that now we just take it for granted.
00:43:56.000 Oh, of course, everyone would do that.
00:43:58.000 But as we saw this last weekend, not everyone does that.
00:44:01.000 No, not at all.
00:44:02.000 In fact, left to their own devices, these people become absolute unrestrained savage animals.
00:44:08.000 So, Jack, before we move on to the next topic, any closing thoughts on the colonialist or colonization?
00:44:15.000 Because with Columbus Day and all of this, you know, we are told that the indigenous people were nothing but these wonderful, peace-loving people, never displaced until the white man came along.
00:44:26.000 Final thoughts on this, Jack?
00:44:28.000 Yeah, here's a final thought.
00:44:29.000 Miscuzi, the child sacrifice will stop.
00:44:33.000 We're so sorry.
00:44:34.000 Oh, no, the far right are here.
00:44:36.000 They're stopping us from sacrificing the babies.
00:44:39.000 Keep in mind, by the way, just like on a factual note, all of the other tribes around the Aztecs joined up with Cortez to destroy the Aztecs, all the Mexican tribes outside of there, the Mesoamerican tribes, because the Aztecs were forcing them to give over their children for sacrifice to their pagan gods. 0.65
00:45:04.000 I'm sorry, we're not doing this anymore.
00:45:06.000 No more child sacrifice, no more baby killing.
00:45:10.000 This is one of the first things, the first influences you see out of the Old Testament when God was known throughout the entire world, which then, by the way, of course, is reflected in the story of Christ, where we see God ends child sacrifice by submitting to have his own child sacrificed for everyone else.
00:45:35.000 If you do not understand that this is one of the central themes of the Bible, then I suggest you have not read the actual book.
00:45:41.000 That's exactly right. 0.78
00:45:42.000 And child sacrifice was normative and abundant. 0.79
00:45:45.000 In fact, there are many laws in the book of Leviticus that talk about Molech, which was the God of child sacrifice.
00:45:52.000 And all these like egghead intellectuals in the 1800s would be like, this is obviously made up.
00:45:56.000 This is just war propaganda.
00:45:57.000 And then we excavated Carthage and they're like, no, tell us about this.
00:46:00.000 That's not as obvious to me.
00:46:01.000 So what do you mean?
00:46:02.000 I think Topher is the name for what they supposedly end up, like these kind of child graveyards.
00:46:07.000 And so in Carthage, of course, not even just Jewish writings. 0.59
00:46:12.000 There's even Roman writings that are like Carthage. 0.91
00:46:14.000 Did they eat babies? 0.99
00:46:14.000 Was that right? 0.99
00:46:15.000 I don't think it was eating, but not to my knowledge anyway.
00:46:18.000 But, you know, the Romans, they fight Carthage, which is a Phoenician city.
00:46:21.000 So it's actually the same culture group as like the Canaanites.
00:46:24.000 And they always say, like, the Carthaginians, they sacrificed babies to Baal.
00:46:30.000 And a lot of people just assumed, you know, Rome fought these horrible wars with Carthage, three Punic Wars.
00:46:36.000 They probably just made that up, exaggerated this war propaganda to justify conquering Carthage.
00:46:41.000 And people just assumed this for hundreds of years.
00:46:45.000 And then we've been excavating Carthage and they have found these like these child graveyards.
00:46:51.000 And one of the things about it is another theory was, well, maybe they, you know, they just sacrificed infants that were going to die anyway.
00:46:57.000 And so you take a sickly infant and you say, this is to Gabal. 0.74
00:47:01.000 No, there are healthy infants that are being sacrificed to Baal. 0.84
00:47:05.000 So they are deliberately taking children who could live and they are sacrificing them to a god. 0.54
00:47:11.000 Why they would do that?
00:47:13.000 We can only imagine horrifying reasons to do it, but it seems it was, it was not propaganda.
00:47:18.000 It's amazing when you think about it.
00:47:20.000 There's off the top of my head at least five major ancient civilizations, many of whom had never had any contact with each other, that all had institutional public practices of sacrificing children on other sides of the world.
00:47:33.000 The Mayans, the Aztecs, the Egyptians, Indus River Valley.
00:47:38.000 It's again, it's something we take for granted that, oh, wait, you know, children's lives should be protected.
00:47:44.000 The innocents' lives should be protected.
00:47:45.000 We should look out for people who are helpless.
00:47:49.000 We should care for people who have less than us. 1.00
00:47:51.000 And that's not going to do naturally.
00:47:54.000 No, it is taught.
00:47:56.000 It is environmental.
00:47:57.000 I believe it's given to us by God to make the world a better place, a more moral place.
00:48:03.000 Okay, we're going to involve Tyler here because the next topic is going to be great.
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00:49:25.000 So Tyler, I'm going to kind of call on you here because this has been a fun kind of debate within our chat.
00:49:33.000 Blake, myself, and Jack have had very strong opinions that RFK Jr. running as an independent will hurt Trump more than Biden.
00:49:42.000 A couple weeks ago, you disagreed.
00:49:44.000 Do you still have that opinion, Tyler?
00:49:46.000 And please walk us through all of it.
00:49:47.000 You're the political strategist here.
00:49:48.000 The floor is yours.
00:49:50.000 RFK is officially running as an independent.
00:49:52.000 Well, nobody knows what could happen with this.
00:49:54.000 So first off, you know, the takes, the hot takes could be totally wrong on either side because this is, we're entering into new territory with an incumbent president who like nobody likes, no one even thinks he's going to make it to the presidency next year and to the to the race.
00:50:12.000 And then we have Trump, who is, you know, right in line with national polling and negatives and everything else.
00:50:17.000 And so enter RFK.
00:50:19.000 And so I, I, I'll tell you, this is my take.
00:50:23.000 And we can, we can start this off and have a, have a discussion about it.
00:50:26.000 But there is concern, legitimate concern, that RFK could swing the votes either way.
00:50:34.000 And I think everybody's kind of frozen right now on both sides because you're not really seeing a for or against because when you know that the Democrats like really expose themselves.
00:50:43.000 If they really thought that RFK was going to be helpful to them, they would be promoting him like crazy.
00:50:50.000 They're not doing that.
00:50:51.000 They hate him.
00:50:51.000 They're angry with him.
00:50:52.000 They're not providing data to him.
00:50:54.000 He told them to go F themselves.
00:50:56.000 And so, you know, that's where they're at.
00:50:58.000 And so I believe that RFK Has a greater likelihood of pulling from the Democrat base, particularly in specific states on the East Coast and in other places that really matter, where he's more popular and the family brand is more popular than he does of hurting Trump.
00:51:16.000 Other people disagree, but I just don't see where you have any kind of interest at all from moderate Republicans in supporting RFK.
00:51:27.000 Now, with that being said, we're seeing some really nefarious characters come out and try to prop up RFK.
00:51:34.000 I think that's really early on.
00:51:35.000 They're just angry because their candidate is performing so poorly against Trump and they're going to come around like we saw in 2016 when people were doing this with guys like Kasich and with Evan McMullen and other people that were popping up.
00:51:49.000 But that's just my take, which is right now, I feel pretty good about having someone come from the left to help split the left's vote.
00:51:59.000 And we just saw a new poll come out here in Arizona.
00:52:01.000 A good example of this is Kirsten Sinema.
00:52:04.000 Carrie Lake just announced she is way ahead in the polls of the other person that's in the race here in Arizona, Mark Lamb.
00:52:13.000 Kirsten Sinema is not loved by the Democrat base, but she pulls more moderates.
00:52:18.000 And even with pulling a good amount of Republicans away from Kerry Lake, even a little bit more so, there's going to be a significant portion of Democrats who are always going to vote for Kirsten Sinema.
00:52:30.000 And so that gives us a real advantage when we talk about the battle of throwing everything cattywampus for the Democrats and how they're chasing ballots, how they're looking at the numbers in specific precincts in a state like Arizona, because it really comes down to three states.
00:52:44.000 So we can kind of have that debate and that conversation.
00:52:46.000 But, you know, I know, I know you guys disagree.
00:52:49.000 I know Jack disagrees.
00:52:52.000 I disagree.
00:52:53.000 Jack, why do you disagree with Tyler's substantive analysis there?
00:52:58.000 So, look, admittedly, you're talking about the specifics of a couple of different states.
00:53:07.000 What I'm really looking at is the Rust Belt.
00:53:09.000 This has been my focus since 2016 and even prior to then, just understanding the types of voters that Donald Trump or a Republican, but I mean, I think it's pretty clear Trump's going to win the primary at this point could flip in order to produce states that could slide from the blue column into the red column.
00:53:31.000 And there's only a few parts of the country where you can do this.
00:53:34.000 And the Rust Belt, as we saw in 2016, proved decisive, proved absolutely decisive.
00:53:41.000 So those types of voters are these working class, blue-collar in many cases, not necessarily super socially conservative, but are very much pro-worker and pro-USA, America first, I guess is probably the best way to put it.
00:54:01.000 So that's Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.
00:54:05.000 Well, unfortunately, the way politics works is that there are lanes.
00:54:08.000 So there are lanes to those voters.
00:54:10.000 Chris Christie tried to get those voters, right?
00:54:12.000 That was supposed to be a huge appeal of Chris Christie when he ran the few times that he ran.
00:54:16.000 And of course, I mean ran in the political sense, not in the actual physical sense of running, because Chris Christie can't do that. 0.97
00:54:23.000 No, it's not possible.
00:54:25.000 And so when I look at those states, I say, well, Trump can really clean up there in a way that no other Republican can.
00:54:34.000 You're certainly not going to be able to win those states by calling for war with Iran, by calling for war with Syria, boots on the ground.
00:54:41.000 It's just not something that these voters go for.
00:54:44.000 And in the same way as we've seen that those voters are not interested in federal bans or even state bans on abortion.
00:54:51.000 In fact, Michigan just enshrined abortion in their constitution. 0.98
00:54:54.000 That being said, if you take a guy like RFK, he appeals to those types of moderates and independents that Trump would need to win over in order to flip those states.
00:55:08.000 Would it be all of them?
00:55:09.000 No, of course not.
00:55:10.000 Would he flip rock-ribbed, thought-crime-listening, Trump supporters?
00:55:15.000 No, of course not.
00:55:16.000 But could he flip enough people in the middle to swing those states to Biden?
00:55:22.000 I think that he absolutely could.
00:55:23.000 And I think that's exactly how you will see this play out if, by the way, he's able to get on the ballot in all these states.
00:55:30.000 My other question in all of this is how much or what size house did the DNC promise to Cornell West to get him to drop out of the Green Party primary?
00:55:40.000 Because the Green Party was going to get him on the ballot, but him running as independent, I just don't see him actually being on the ballot in these states now.
00:55:47.000 So what is it?
00:55:48.000 How many bedrooms?
00:55:49.000 How many bedrooms?
00:55:50.000 Well, can I just interject here to just say it's really difficult to get on the ballot as an independent.
00:55:55.000 So, all right, Blake, take it away.
00:55:57.000 So I think I also agree that RFK running is going to be bad for Trump, but I don't know if it's that he appeals to moderates.
00:56:06.000 I think the image in my head, the kind of who is the person who's going to vote for him, I think what it's actually going to be is what's like the biggest event of the last five years.
00:56:16.000 It's COVID and then also like the subsequent post-COVID thing, vaccine mandates, all of that.
00:56:20.000 There's just a ton of people who this is just a huge event in their political lives.
00:56:25.000 And there are people who are just still outraged about the vaccines, the vaccine mandates, whether those vaccines cause people to die, get injured, and so on.
00:56:34.000 And I think there's still going to be a good kernel of many thousands of people who are, for lack of a better term, they're like COVID single-issue voters.
00:56:43.000 Not so much like on COVID itself, but they're angry at Trump that Trump promoted the vaccines, did Operation Warp Speed, all of that.
00:56:53.000 And they just think Trump has burned the bridge with me forever because of that one thing.
00:56:58.000 And I need to go with someone whose COVID credentials are totally impeccable.
00:57:03.000 And normally I would think this would sort of fade away.
00:57:05.000 And it might.
00:57:06.000 It might still fade away in the next year and a half or so.
00:57:08.000 But these people have kind of coalesced into these groups.
00:57:11.000 They're on a lot of Telegram channels together that have their own sort of political environment.
00:57:16.000 And I can just see these sort of eccentric COVID obsessives being not a large voter block, but they're one of those marginal voter blocks that make the difference in whether you win or not.
00:57:28.000 And if he just gets even, you know, 300,000, 500,000 of those voters, that could be what costs him the state that would have gotten him to 270.
00:57:36.000 Yeah, here's my take on this.
00:57:37.000 And I just know this from the audience, because in our audience, there's some huge RFK fans still.
00:57:41.000 In fact, a lot of people that say they're going to vote for RFK over Trump.
00:57:44.000 And that's a real thing.
00:57:46.000 I'd say probably 10%, one out of 10 would have that sentiment.
00:57:49.000 And maybe that will decrease as we get closer and people realize that RFK is a flaming liberal.
00:57:53.000 But it's low trust, high trust.
00:57:55.000 That's how I try to divide things.
00:57:56.000 And that Donald Trump is running a low trust campaign, meaning we can't trust our institutions.
00:58:01.000 They're lying to us.
00:58:02.000 They're rigged against us.
00:58:03.000 They want to put me in prison.
00:58:04.000 And Joe Biden is going to run a high trust campaign, right?
00:58:08.000 Institutions are actually working.
00:58:09.000 We can't give me power because the other guys are going to disassemble our institutions.
00:58:14.000 So 2024 will be about a lot of things.
00:58:15.000 One of the dynamics will be, are you a low trust or high trust voter, right?
00:58:19.000 Republicans used to be a high trust coalition back in the 90s and early 2000s.
00:58:23.000 You know, intel agencies are good.
00:58:24.000 The Democrats want to disassemble.
00:58:26.000 And it's really been an inversion of high trust, low trust.
00:58:28.000 RFK is the most low trust candidate, right?
00:58:31.000 He believes that the Intel agencies kill his uncle.
00:58:33.000 I happen to agree, right?
00:58:35.000 He has all very strong opinions on vaccines and medical freedom.
00:58:38.000 And I mean, Blake, would you agree that the medical freedom crowd, that they're not Joe Biden voters ever, right?
00:58:46.000 I mean, they would have been maybe mad at Trump over vaccine or whatever, and then yielded towards RFK.
00:58:52.000 Would you agree with that, Blake?
00:58:53.000 that that's the situation we're looking at and especially i would also say because that actually because they're low trust voters that can also make them i think relatively immune to more strategic voting so i think there's a lot of people you know a lot of us you know a lot of people make the calculation you know who can i vote for who will have the best chance to win even if i have differences with them and they're better than the alternative but people who are lower trust They're more likely to think the election's rigged anyway.
00:59:20.000 They're more likely to think, well, even if I vote this way, you know, the deep state will sabotage it or something.
00:59:25.000 I'm just going to vote for who I have the strongest gut feeling for.
00:59:29.000 And that's going to be a lot of people who like to vote for RFK.
00:59:32.000 Tyler, final thoughts here because we got to wrap.
00:59:34.000 Well, I mean, I would say this.
00:59:35.000 So in response to that, so I totally agree that you always have breakage, what they call breakage.
00:59:42.000 So people who are going to vote for the other party because they don't like your candidate.
00:59:45.000 There's always a subgroup that feels that way.
00:59:48.000 What Democrats have figured out a long time ago is that that number typically just kind of hovers around seven to nine percent of the electorate.
00:59:57.000 And so I think what you're going to see happen this election, if you have RFK on the ballot, Republicans who typically that want to divorce themselves from Trump, that typically will be like, oh, I'll vote for Biden, right?
01:00:10.000 Like for the Republicans for Biden camp.
01:00:13.000 Again, that turned out to be probably right around the ballpark, about 5%, 6% of the rest were Libertarians that voted for the Libertarian candidate.
01:00:21.000 Those people will vote for RFK, but you're not going to see a dramatic increase from that number.
01:00:29.000 But it benefits us because those numbers don't go to Biden.
01:00:32.000 And then the alternate situation is, well, is there more breakage that are going to abandon the Democrat Party and vote for RFK instead of Trump?
01:00:44.000 And I actually think that you're going to see a larger number of Democrats that are more willing to do that instead of voting for Trump because what we said, the low trust, high trust thing, they're actually going to trust an independent candidate, be okay with it.
01:00:56.000 High independent numbers exist in states like Arizona, Georgia.
01:01:00.000 You're seeing higher numbers of that with younger people moving into Georgia.
01:01:03.000 And so I actually think the ultimate result is like, at the end of the day, your breakage isn't going to increase. 0.93
01:01:08.000 It's just going to go somewhere else.
01:01:09.000 And it's better for it to go to RFK than it is to go to the other side.
01:01:13.000 And at the end of the day, that just comes down to, again, you're going to end up in the same pool where a poll just came out actually yesterday, I think, looking at this that showed, oh, with RFK in the race, it actually, and I think it was Wisconsin, it doesn't change anything.
01:01:28.000 It's still like a 50-50 competitive state.
01:01:30.000 And so ultimately it's going to come down to how many ballots, how many low propensity ballots for Democrats and Republicans can they get in the box for Biden or Trump?
01:01:38.000 And because RFK is not going to win that battle.
01:01:40.000 So, you know, and they're probably going to wash each other out for the most part because both sides have very similar numbers of breakage.
01:01:47.000 That's just how it's always worked in most of these states.
01:01:50.000 We got to dash everybody.
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