The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 18 — Believe All Media? Blacklist Hamas Backers? Mackey the Martyr?

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00:01:42.000 Okay, everybody, it is Thought Crime Thursday.

00:01:46.000 Everything you, by the way, if the media says something, just believe it.

00:01:49.000 That is the lesson of the last week and a half.

00:01:51.000 Blake, hello.

00:01:52.000 How do you, I mean, I agree.

00:01:53.000 We got to believe the media and everything they do.

00:01:55.000 Everything they do.

00:01:55.000 That's what we've been told for years.

00:01:57.000 Tyler Boyer is with us.

00:01:57.000 So why would they lie?

00:01:59.000 Tyler, things are going great.

00:02:00.000 And then Jack Pesobic, what's new and exciting?

00:02:03.000 Believe all media, believe all politicians, especially in matters of war.

00:02:10.000 I know if there's one group of people that would never lie to us, it's the leaders of the federal government.

00:02:17.000 So Blake, what are we discussing first?

00:02:19.000 All right.

00:02:20.000 So obviously last week, Hamas was the big topic.

00:02:23.000 This week, Hamas is still a big topic.

00:02:25.000 They have a way of forcing themselves into the news.

00:02:27.000 So, you know, for years we had to endure like disinformation was the biggest threat to the American Republic.

00:02:33.000 It was going to destroy us all if we ever allowed anyone to read an untrue thing.

00:02:36.000 That's why we had to believe all media.

00:02:38.000 It was basically the new national motto.

00:02:40.000 So this week, we have this event in Gaza.

00:02:44.000 A hospital blew up, or maybe it was a hospital parking lot, or maybe it was a car.

00:02:48.000 It's not clear.

00:02:49.000 But what the media said.

00:02:50.000 Izzel Gate.

00:02:51.000 What the media said was that, you know, Israel just went and blew up a hospital and killed everyone in Gaza.

00:02:57.000 It was reported by the New York Times.

00:02:59.000 It was reported by Ben Collins at NBC, who never lies about anything.

00:03:03.000 And they basically almost rushed us into World War III.

00:03:06.000 We had rioters outside the U.S. Embassy in Jordan.

00:03:09.000 We had Iran throwing up a black flag or a white flag.

00:03:12.000 I don't know. 0.98

00:03:13.000 Black flag of death. 1.00

00:03:14.000 Iran always loves its flags and its suicide bombers and its insanity and all of that nonsense. 0.99

00:03:20.000 And, you know, they basically just made it the biggest crisis imaginable, all driven by our media. 0.97

00:03:24.000 And now it turns out that, you know, it might not have been Israel. 0.68

00:03:27.000 It might not have been a bomb.

00:03:29.000 It might not have been a hospital.

00:03:30.000 And it doesn't appear to have been 500 dead, which means it was an entirely fake story.

00:03:34.000 It would be like them reporting on the Titanic sinking, and then it turned out that like someone's fishing boat tipped over.

00:03:39.000 So, so, Jack, where do you stand on this story?

00:03:42.000 I think that, I mean, obviously, the media took and ran with this during the fog of war.

00:03:47.000 It interrupted Joe Biden's potential meeting with Al-Sisi, King Abdullah, and Mahmoud Abbas.

00:03:54.000 Joe Biden is no longer in the region, I think.

00:03:56.000 Joe Biden has left, right?

00:03:58.000 I think he's out of the region.

00:03:59.000 Yeah.

00:04:00.000 So, Jack, how should we think about this?

00:04:02.000 Well, so when it comes to Missilegate, which has really been the topic du jour on Twitter, on social media, which then, of course, feeds down into our political discussions and really drives so much of our politics because you even saw this, it fed into this, I don't even know what we're calling it, insurrection, Hamas erection, of the no, I did not just say Hamas erection, just for the for the record media matters.

00:04:28.000 I'm not talking about Hamas erections. 0.88

00:04:31.000 I'm talking about Hamas erection. 0.99

00:04:33.000 Those are something separate, by the way. 0.94

00:04:35.000 Hamas erection was when the pro-Palestinian protesters broke into, I think it was Cannon office building and stormed the Capitol, surrounded Marjorie Taylor Greene, as well as other members of Congress, occupied the Capitol complex there for a number of hours until police were able to get them out.

00:04:55.000 Some of which, of course, resisted against police, none of which, by the way, will ever, all in the midst, by the way, of the speaker fight, none of which will be charged for any type of obstruction of Congress or any of these things like Trump supporters do. 0.53

00:05:10.000 And by the way, folks, for all the kids out there watching, that's what actual power looks like.

00:05:15.000 The left can go and do something like this and walk away scot-free, can walk away with maybe a misdemeanor, maybe a fine, maybe not even that.

00:05:24.000 Whereas you and your parents and your grandparents, you're second-class citizens.

00:05:30.000 You're basically sharecroppers because we live in the left's world right now.

00:05:34.000 We live in the uniparty world and we haven't gotten there.

00:05:37.000 So anyway, Charlie, to your point on all of this, was that there was an explosion, right?

00:05:43.000 It took place in Gaza.

00:05:44.000 At first, we weren't sure what was hit.

00:05:46.000 We weren't sure what was going on.

00:05:47.000 There was a wild, completely sensationalized story that came out that said a hospital had been bombed and that hundreds of people have been killed, most of which were children.

00:05:58.000 Oh my gosh, how horrific.

00:05:59.000 That's insane.

00:06:00.000 But of course, me, I'm just sitting there saying, can I see evidence of this?

00:06:04.000 Can I see what actually happened before?

00:06:06.000 Okay, I see your headline.

00:06:07.000 That's horrible.

00:06:08.000 That sounds really bad.

00:06:09.000 I would like to see what the evidence is.

00:06:11.000 There's a guy I follow on Telegram and X, Zero Sum 24.

00:06:16.000 He's trying to get to be the very first account that got to 100,000 followers while doing so completely locked.

00:06:23.000 This guy is probably the best account on anywhere on the internet to find ground truth of any situation.

00:06:29.000 He always gets the spice.

00:06:30.000 They call him the spice king because he does this, whether it's Ukraine, whether it's Israel, Gaza, et cetera.

00:06:35.000 He's always got videos.

00:06:36.000 Both sides doesn't take sides.

00:06:38.000 And, you know, he showed there were definitely a lot of bodies.

00:06:41.000 There were people killed, civilians killed, or at least people hit in this thing.

00:06:45.000 We couldn't tell.

00:06:46.000 Some of them were obviously dead or just injured.

00:06:49.000 But I noticed right away that a lot of the videos showed people who were outside of a hospital, not people who were inside of a hospital.

00:06:56.000 I remember thinking, well, if the hospital was hit, why would the people be outside of the hospital?

00:07:01.000 So that was something I had kind of filed away.

00:07:03.000 It's a bit strange.

00:07:04.000 Then we find out the next morning that actually it wasn't the hospital that was hit.

00:07:08.000 It was the parking lot that was hit.

00:07:10.000 So that was lie number two out of the entire thing.

00:07:14.000 Then we get all sorts of competing claims from both the IDF side, from the Hamas side saying this happened, that happened.

00:07:19.000 But what's really interesting, Charlie, and this, I think, goes back to your point in terms of all of this of missilegate, is that the New York Times and the AP completely ran with everything that Hamas said.

00:07:31.000 The New York Times even had to change their headline three times in a row as more evidence came out of this entire thing.

00:07:39.000 By the way, we can see very little impact trader there.

00:07:43.000 If you guys can throw that picture back up real quick, I can analyze it a little bit.

00:07:46.000 Very small impact crater.

00:07:49.000 That is not something that you would see from a major bomb or for a major or something like that.

00:07:54.000 If there was an aerial burst, you might see something like this.

00:07:58.000 But we're also seeing evidence of cars that were on fire.

00:08:00.000 You also see right there, by the way, cars that seem to be relatively unscathed.

00:08:05.000 And just looking from the picture, it doesn't seem like they could have driven in there after the explosion.

00:08:10.000 So it looks like this explosion only hit some of the cars that were in the parking lot.

00:08:16.000 So, you know, to this point, you know, just based on this information, you can't really say that this was one way or the other, but certainly those initial claims were false.

00:08:26.000 So, Blake, the initial claims were false, but talk about the ramifications that happened afterwards, the geopolitical fallout because of the wrong accusations.

00:08:36.000 Well, yeah, so this was happening just as Biden was traveling to the Middle East.

00:08:40.000 He was going to do a summit in Amman, Jordan, right next to Israel.

00:08:43.000 There was going to be some attempt to quickly broker a deal or some sort of peace, I think, between the wider Arab world and Israel, keep this from spiraling out of control.

00:08:53.000 And this gets canceled.

00:08:54.000 And it's because Abbas, the head of the Palestinian Authority, he says there's going to be three days of mourning for all the victims of this hospital atrocity.

00:09:02.000 Iran starts freaking out.

00:09:04.000 The entire Arab world is protesting. 0.99

00:09:06.000 And I think, you know, this is probably going to happen anyway. 0.79

00:09:08.000 They have their own Arab language media. 1.00

00:09:10.000 They have their own social media accounts that they follow that use their impossible to read language. 0.71

00:09:17.000 But this gave a lot more life to it, especially.

00:09:21.000 And it also, it just totally messed things up in the West.

00:09:23.000 We got derailed by this.

00:09:24.000 This gave a lot of life to all the people who are essentially pro-Hamas in this entire conflict already.

00:09:30.000 And it took them, I think the New York Times took 20 hours before they updated their article to reflect that there was more uncertainty about this.

00:09:39.000 And like 20 hours might as well be a century in modern media time.

00:09:43.000 Everyone is going to remember the original version of this story.

00:09:46.000 No one is going to remember the clarifications later.

00:09:48.000 The New York Times in its article talks about a woman walking through the rubble of the ruined hospital, which turned out no, as she was just walking through this bombed parking lot.

00:09:58.000 There's no evidence of a destroyed hospital.

00:10:01.000 But they just repeated all of these lies.

00:10:03.000 And, you know, it seems like now things are dialing back without this exploding into a huge calamity.

00:10:09.000 But this is the sort of stuff that leads to actual conflict. 0.87

00:10:12.000 You print lies that cause people to overreach themselves, to overreact, and suddenly this dumb terrorist attack has turned into World War III. 0.96

00:10:22.000 Or potential. 0.94

00:10:23.000 And the media seems unrepentant on a lot of this stuff, to be perfectly honest.

00:10:27.000 And so, Tyler, what's your take on this?

00:10:30.000 You saw this unfold in real time on social media.

00:10:34.000 Well, I just keep thinking back to the Ukraine nuclear power plant situation where it was just all this back and forth of what's going on.

00:10:46.000 What's really happening?

00:10:47.000 And the media getting it wrong numerous times along the way.

00:10:52.000 And you've got people here at home who are just becoming pawns of the war scheme.

00:10:58.000 So it's insane, totally insane of what we're seeing.

00:11:02.000 But people are just like totally confused, I think, on the ground with that are paying attention.

00:11:08.000 And we've got this entire thing going on in Congress and the battle that's happening in Congress.

00:11:13.000 And it's just people are people are sick of it.

00:11:16.000 So Blake, talk about, do you think the Israeli social media team could have focused their efforts on something other than trolling Gigi Hadid and doing Keanu Reeve memes at the Iranian Revolutionary National Guard?

00:11:29.000 It wouldn't hurt.

00:11:30.000 It's hard for me to imagine a country like we think of Israel as a hyper-competent military power, but they are not advanced in meme warfare, it seems.

00:11:38.000 Like you read the, even before, even before the Gigi Haddad thing started happening, they were just posting strange, overly emotive things.

00:11:47.000 They did a post that had like these my little pony graphics.

00:11:51.000 Come on.

00:11:51.000 I'm not making this up.

00:11:52.000 I don't have it, unfortunately.

00:11:53.000 Someone should, someone on our team should find it.

00:11:54.000 There was like this.

00:11:55.000 Is it the same firm they're using that was doing the Ukrainian stuff?

00:11:59.000 It sounds like it's like it literally might, it's it might be like some, I don't know, is it Molodova?

00:12:05.000 What is that?

00:12:05.000 Would they sell off a troll?

00:12:06.000 The Moldovans or Macedonia, Macedonia, the Macedonian meme warriors. 0.76

00:12:10.000 Yeah, it's like they had these like my little pony graphics that's like, we know your children can't read this, but you know, Hamas killed all of these children and be sure to hug them.

00:12:18.000 And like Israel posts that on one of their official accounts, and then Israel goes and picks a fight with a model, and Israel just posts Keanu Reeves memes.

00:12:27.000 And all of this is like it's not that it's necessarily bad if you know a college student was doing this, but you're a nation state, you're a member of the United Nations.

00:12:38.000 Why are you doing this?

00:12:41.000 And everyone is like, it's just, it's super jarring to see.

00:12:46.000 And especially when they're trying to deal with misinformation everywhere, it's sort of hard to take them seriously when they're also doing this.

00:12:54.000 Now, that doesn't excuse what the press is doing, where they've decided, oh, we're going to believe Hamas about everything and race to believe all of their accounts when Hamas is, you know, literally running around chopping children's heads off or allegedly they might have only shot them in the head.

00:13:10.000 They might have only bashed their brains out.

00:13:11.000 You know, we don't want to, we don't want to impugn the dignity of Hamas here.

00:13:15.000 But it's just this entire incident has not been the finest hour of really anyone involved in it. 0.70

00:13:23.000 Yeah, and I just, I think you guys can hear me now.

00:13:25.000 I hope so.

00:13:26.000 We had some mics cutting in and out better.

00:13:28.000 Okay, good. 0.57

00:13:29.000 I mean, so here you have the Macedonian meme warriors that are being outsourced by both the IDF and Ukraine. 0.79

00:13:35.000 And it would be one thing if they were really good at it, right, Jack?

00:13:38.000 I mean, Jack, you kind of, you're kind of one of the, I would say, brigadier generals in the modern meme war, right?

00:13:43.000 You've survived many such volleys and attacks and salvos from the enemy.

00:13:47.000 Israel can't meme. 0.95

00:13:48.000 I'm just going to be honest. 1.00

00:13:49.000 Like, Israel cannot meme.

00:13:51.000 Jack Posobiec.

00:13:53.000 Yeah, so I'm not really sure what this was in terms of Israel.

00:13:59.000 I mean, guys, at the end of the day, if you're trying to fight something like this in a meme, just stop.

00:14:05.000 Just stop right there.

00:14:06.000 Because again, if you're a powerful military, for you to be posting memes at all is cringe.

00:14:14.000 If you're posting memes that are incredibly outdated, like that particular Keanu Reeves meme, it's even worse.

00:14:22.000 So what you're actually doing is degrading yourselves, and then you're opening your up to comparisons.

00:14:28.000 Like, as we said, like Ukraine, who I think, by the way, Charlie, the bot farms are out of Moldova.

00:14:36.000 The consultants are actually out of the UK when it comes to Ukraine.

00:14:41.000 I was trying to pull up the actual name here.

00:14:43.000 I think it was McCew, something like that.

00:14:46.000 So this, you know, the Ukraine advice project and all these different things that just popped up out of nowhere, like all those Ukrainian billboards were suddenly all across the United States, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, like overnight.

00:14:58.000 You know, when this happened, looked like I snapped my fingers and the TV went off. 0.93

00:15:01.000 That was cool. 1.00

00:15:02.000 But, you know, even Iran, with their sort of time is up, it reminds me of when they were posting Sulaimani memes at President Trump right before President Trump turned Suleimani into Pico de Gaio. 0.78

00:15:16.000 And so here's a great example of how meme warfare can be used in conjunction with kinetic warfare. 0.55

00:15:25.000 So President Trump warns Iran to stop having their militias attack U.S. embassies.

00:15:32.000 They refuse.

00:15:33.000 These are IRGC-backed militias operating throughout Iraq.

00:15:37.000 Suleimani is also there.

00:15:39.000 President Trump orders a strike, kills him, a strike that Netanyahu and his team was supposed to be part of at one point, later pulled out of.

00:15:47.000 Then after turning Suleimani into Pico DeGallo so bad that the guy had to be identified by the ring on his hand, then President Trump threw it up and just posted the Star-Spangled Banner on Twitter.

00:16:01.000 No comment.

00:16:03.000 That's meme warfare.

00:16:05.000 Okay.

00:16:05.000 So, Blake.

00:16:06.000 So I mentioned this bizarre My Little Pony meme.

00:16:10.000 I don't think it's not literal, My Little Pony, but you'll see what I mean.

00:16:13.000 This is very weird.

00:16:14.000 This is posted by the official Israel Twitter account.

00:16:17.000 Is there a speaker translation issue?

00:16:18.000 Meaning, like, is there some sort of like inside Hebrew culture that we don't get?

00:16:22.000 I'm not Israeli.

00:16:23.000 I don't know.

00:16:24.000 I've shared this.

00:16:25.000 I've seen this with a few friends.

00:16:26.000 They're all as baffled as I am.

00:16:27.000 So we need number 101.

00:16:30.000 Yeah.

00:16:31.000 So I want you to read it, though.

00:16:33.000 Okay.

00:16:33.000 Well, so we've got it here.

00:16:35.000 They have English on it, I believe.

00:16:37.000 We just have the My Little Pony up.

00:16:38.000 Oh, do we not?

00:16:39.000 Oh, okay.

00:16:40.000 Okay.

00:16:40.000 So this was like a video.

00:16:42.000 So it's like, we know your children cannot read this.

00:16:45.000 And then it goes, we have an important message to tell you as parents. 0.64

00:16:49.000 40 infants were murdered in Israel by the Hamas terrorists, ISIS.

00:16:55.000 Just as you would do everything for your child, we will do everything to protect ours.

00:17:01.000 Now hug your baby and stand with us.

00:17:03.000 And then it shows like a kind of menorographic code of art.

00:17:08.000 Let's play Cut 102.

00:17:21.000 Okay, so that's from the official posted by Israel at Israel on Twitter.

00:17:26.000 Hug your baby and stand with us.

00:17:29.000 But this is, but what, what, what?

00:17:32.000 It's just like, try to imagine the U.S. State Department doing this.

00:17:38.000 And, you know, we have our differences with the Biden administration doing this.

00:17:44.000 Okay, it's true.

00:17:44.000 It's true.

00:17:45.000 We would do this.

00:17:45.000 And then we would say that that's a very bad thing for the U.S. to do.

00:17:48.000 The only country I think that could get away with this is like Japan, because Japan is a good idea. 0.96

00:17:52.000 No, that's right. 1.00

00:17:53.000 That's what I asked.

00:17:54.000 I mean, is there some sort of like anime type culture that I'm not aware of in like Israeli culture? 1.00

00:18:00.000 I know they'll do very, they'll do very self-deprecating like humor. 1.00

00:18:06.000 So like when BB runs for re-election, he'll do an ad where it's like, Bibi is the BB sitter.

00:18:11.000 And he'll come over and babysit your kids.

00:18:13.000 And they'll have like a strange ad.

00:18:15.000 This is a real ad they did where he's like the babysitter and shows up and is like trying to like take care of these rascally kids. 0.53

00:18:21.000 So you've got to elect him to defend Israel, which they did and it didn't work out that well, it seems.

00:18:26.000 But so there's a bit of that, but other than that, and then so this is if this were a standalone thing also, but then they go from this to picking a fight with a model, and they go from this to Keanu Reeves memes, all while they are badly losing an information war over.

00:18:45.000 Well, that's the point, right.

00:18:46.000 So so Jack or Tyler whichever, we want to start with Jack.

00:18:48.000 So Jack, here's the hospital thing.

00:18:50.000 I, Israel.

00:18:51.000 They deployed a couple people on TV.

00:18:53.000 They said yeah, we'll be releasing evidence, but here's a thought crime.

00:18:58.000 No, I'm not gonna do it.

00:18:59.000 I got in Much trouble.

00:19:00.000 Jack, your reaction.

00:19:01.000 Nope, not going to do the talk.

00:19:02.000 Nope, not going to do it.

00:19:03.000 Sorry, Jack.

00:19:04.000 Nope.

00:19:06.000 Nope.

00:19:06.000 I learned my lesson.

00:19:07.000 Nope.

00:19:08.000 Can God do that?

00:19:08.000 Was he going to do it?

00:19:09.000 It was about to be a great question.

00:19:11.000 It was going to be really good.

00:19:13.000 It was going to be spicy.

00:19:14.000 It was going to be accurate.

00:19:15.000 It was going to be precise.

00:19:16.000 And I'm not going to do it.

00:19:17.000 Sorry, Jack.

00:19:18.000 The floor is yours.

00:19:19.000 Yeah. 0.89

00:19:19.000 So, I mean, look, you know, we had Scott Horton on the show earlier today, and he was dropping thought crimes left and right about who actually got the ball rolling in terms of the dominoes that created Hamas in the first place. 0.89

00:19:32.000 And it's just interesting, Charlie, because when you look at these, I'll put it this way: Biden was about to have these summits with the entire Arab world, just about.

00:19:43.000 And people need to understand that what we're seeing here is this power struggle in the Middle East.

00:19:50.000 So Biden blows up the Abraham Accords.

00:19:53.000 They're pretty much just gone.

00:19:54.000 They're pretty much just gone right now. 0.97

00:19:56.000 And so the power struggle that's come up is the Sunni world versus the Shia world. 0.81

00:20:01.000 So it's like the Iran axis versus the Saudi axis. 0.71

00:20:05.000 And so Hamas, even though they're not necessarily Sunni, or excuse me, necessarily Shia, they kind of align with the Iran axis.

00:20:12.000 Then you have the Arab world, and that's predominantly the Sunni axis.

00:20:17.000 So what ends up happening here is that Biden, just look, just look at what was supposed to happen.

00:20:25.000 Biden was supposed to have all these meetings with the Sunni axis, with the Arab axis, the Saudi Axis.

00:20:34.000 He ends up having none of them, doesn't meet with LCC of Egypt, doesn't meet with Abbas, the Palestinian leader, doesn't meet with the king of Jordan, king of Dubla.

00:20:43.000 In fact, the only person he meets with is Netanyahu.

00:20:47.000 So it's interesting that now it looks as though it's you, you just see, we're talking about meme warfare.

00:20:53.000 We're talking about optics, right?

00:20:54.000 Meme warfare is basically optics. 1.00

00:20:56.000 So the optics of posting something like this My Little Pony video, I'm sorry, they're just retarded. 1.00

00:21:02.000 It's just, it's so bad. 1.00

00:21:04.000 It's worse.

00:21:05.000 Like, don't do that.

00:21:06.000 If you want people on your side, do not post things like this.

00:21:09.000 The same with the Kiana Reeves meme.

00:21:12.000 Just stop.

00:21:12.000 Just stop completely.

00:21:13.000 Very, very bad optics.

00:21:15.000 You want to look like you're defending your people.

00:21:17.000 You want to look like you're strong.

00:21:18.000 You want to look like you're serious.

00:21:19.000 That's the optics that you should be portraying right now.

00:21:22.000 And not over the top either.

00:21:23.000 You want to look serious.

00:21:24.000 But anyway, Charlie, the optics that they came up with just to finish my thought is that it's Biden and Bibi, Biden and Yetan Yahoo, and the rest of the world stands with the other side.

00:21:35.000 So rather than Biden come out as a peacemaker, he looks like more of a warmonger.

00:21:40.000 Yeah.

00:21:41.000 So, Blake, this is a point that you have made.

00:21:44.000 You know, we think of Israel that they always have a plan and they move decisively.

00:21:48.000 I don't think they really are sure about their path forward right now.

00:21:52.000 I think that they're still recovering from the attack.

00:21:54.000 There's lots of hostages.

00:21:57.000 There's a chance they might not even invade.

00:21:58.000 There's a chance that at this point, we don't know.

00:22:02.000 Blake, it doesn't look like Israel has a firm plan right now.

00:22:04.000 Not at all.

00:22:05.000 And in the past, they've been very successful in this way.

00:22:08.000 But remember, in the past, they've had more stable union united governments.

00:22:12.000 They're better prepared.

00:22:14.000 They have a better understanding of the world that they're in.

00:22:17.000 Whereas going into this, was Israel very stable before this attack?

00:22:22.000 I mean, they weren't collapsing, but they had one election after another.

00:22:25.000 Their politics is very sharply divided.

00:22:28.000 Their sitting prime minister is not firm in power.

00:22:31.000 He's actually trying to avoid getting Donald Trump himself.

00:22:35.000 And this attack hits, and it doesn't, it's not the sort of attack like how 9-11 was, where it strengthened Bush and allowed him, gave him a stronger mandate for action. 0.60

00:22:46.000 This is much more along the lines of, well, it seems that Netanyahu allowed something really bad to happen.

00:22:52.000 So his popularity is in the toilet.

00:22:54.000 So his personal legitimacy is lower than before.

00:22:58.000 And now they're initially saying they're going to invade Gaza, and then instead they delay the attack.

00:23:05.000 I think they claimed it was due to weather, but I think a lot of people are wondering, do they just not know what they're going for?

00:23:11.000 And maybe the Biden administration is telling them, don't do it.

00:23:14.000 Maybe they're just totally unsure what they're able to get away with here.

00:23:19.000 And they just seem very uncertain.

00:23:22.000 And they don't have...

00:23:24.000 They certainly don't have confidence, I think, in the United States own government to back them up.

00:23:30.000 And it's just tremendously uncertain for them.

00:23:33.000 What are they going to do?

00:23:34.000 And on top of that, the IDF doesn't seem as effective as it was before.

00:23:37.000 The Shinbet doesn't seem as effective as it was before.

00:23:42.000 This is a disaster that happened because they were unprepared and they were caught napping.

00:23:45.000 And now suddenly they're supposed to turn around and know exactly what to do and they don't.

00:23:50.000 So anyone could take this.

00:23:52.000 The path forward for Israel is unclear.

00:23:55.000 I mean, we would think for certain that we would have some sort of path forward.

00:23:59.000 But the real question that people are asking, Jack, is what, or Tyler, what is going on with Joe Biden's chin?

00:24:06.000 Yeah, I think there's about as much of a path forward in Israel as there is with Joe Biden's face right now because there's a wide gap that's happening between both his new chins that he has.

00:24:19.000 Some are referring to them as chin balls.

00:24:21.000 I don't know if that's something that we can go with permanently here, but there's probably as much distance between his chin balls as there are between Netanyahu and Israel wanting to work with him.

00:24:36.000 So that's probably, again, the right hand not talking to the left hand, the right chin ball not talking to the left chin ball, the chin humps, the chin humps.

00:24:47.000 This is where we're at.

00:24:48.000 I disagree.

00:24:49.000 I see, I disagree.

00:24:51.000 I just disagree.

00:24:52.000 You see, because I don't think there's anything strange at all.

00:24:54.000 Biden simply stores extra moisture in his chin humps for long journeys.

00:24:59.000 This is totally normal.

00:25:01.000 It's something that he does.

00:25:03.000 And I don't want to see anybody out here that is poking fun or making fun of Joe Biden or his jaw or his other jaw.

00:25:15.000 He's wearing one of those masks that our friend over in the Netherlands wears, I think, when he's out on the beach.

00:25:23.000 Who, Leatherface?

00:25:25.000 Yeah, Leatherface.

00:25:27.000 It looks like it's cypress.

00:25:28.000 This is where, that's where his...

00:25:30.000 So, okay, here's my other theory on this, right?

00:25:34.000 What if we haven't been dealing with the real Joe Biden all along?

00:25:37.000 So you see Tony Blinken right there.

00:25:39.000 A lot of people pointed out Tony Blinken.

00:25:41.000 He's kind of the man behind the throne, certainly when it comes to foreign policy, him and Victoria Newlands, which the Blinken Newland administration, at least when it comes to foreign policy.

00:25:48.000 And he's sort of looking in like, what is going on right now?

00:25:51.000 What if we haven't been dealing with Biden Prime for years?

00:25:56.000 And it's kind of like that movie, The Prestige.

00:25:58.000 And Tony Blinken's got one of those prestige machines.

00:26:02.000 And see, every time he makes a new Biden, it only lasts for like a couple hours.

00:26:06.000 So it's a use-by-use basis.

00:26:07.000 So what you're seeing now is one of the Bidens as it's getting very, very close to its rapid expiration date.

00:26:14.000 And he's going to have to, you know, dispose of this one and then make a new Biden very quickly.

00:26:19.000 That is tough to those listening on podcasts, Blake, you get the job.

00:26:22.000 Describe Joe Biden's chin if they had seen it.

00:26:25.000 Come on, Blake.

00:26:27.000 So think of...

00:26:28.000 They're listening on audience.

00:26:29.000 They say, what are you talking about?

00:26:30.000 Think of two withered.

00:26:32.000 Very specific.

00:26:33.000 Two withered, fleshy, hairy objects separated at a wide distance and yet inextricably bound together by a fleshy mass.

00:26:49.000 It's that Nancy Pelosi picture of her bent over wearing the swimsuit.

00:26:54.000 And it's It's really close to that.

00:26:59.000 I'm trying to paint a picture for listeners.

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00:29:09.000 Okay, Blake, should we cancel Hamas supporters?

00:29:12.000 Walk us through the topic and the debate.

00:29:13.000 Candace Owens and Megan Kelly got in a Twitter debate over this.

00:29:17.000 Bill Ackman really started it.

00:29:19.000 Tell us all about it.

00:29:20.000 Yeah, so obviously we all know what cancel culture is and how it's manifested.

00:29:24.000 People lose job offers.

00:29:25.000 People get fired from jobs all for their takes online.

00:29:28.000 And it's always been a phenomenon suffered almost overwhelmingly by people on the right or people on the left who accidentally go against the code of what a left-winger is supposed to believe.

00:29:39.000 But we're finally seeing something pretty different here, which is we have people on the left who are saying a thing left-wingers believe, which is essentially, I love terrorism, death to Israel.

00:29:51.000 And they're getting hit for it.

00:29:52.000 So we had recently the law firm Davis Polk yanked job offers from three people who signed on to statements at Harvard supporting Hamas and opposing Israel.

00:30:05.000 And there have been a few other cases. 0.98

00:30:06.000 And then, as you said, we have Bill Ackman on Wall Street saying we should build a blacklist of the names of people who signed pro-Hamas statements and blacklist them from investment banks, private equity firms, analytics firms, all the firms in the finance world, which of course, a lot of Jews in that world, a lot of Israelis in that world, a lot of people who have looked at these recent events and said, holy crap, these people want us dead.

00:30:31.000 And I don't want to hire those people and I don't want to work with them.

00:30:34.000 But it is rational to say or reasonable to ask, okay, these are not still work-related things.

00:30:41.000 Should we blacklist people for this?

00:30:43.000 And my initial thought is probably the first building block of getting rid of cancel culture generally is, in fact, making sure that people on the left can suffer it as well.

00:30:53.000 Yes.

00:30:54.000 Yeah.

00:30:55.000 And so, I mean, I'm torn.

00:30:56.000 I see it both ways, but I'm mostly in the camp of allowing these people to have some sort of punishment and suffering.

00:31:02.000 And what I think is funny is that they're actually too cowardly to put their name behind the statement at first, and they're mad that they got exposed.

00:31:09.000 You have to own your, you have to own your views, okay?

00:31:12.000 You got to own your views.

00:31:13.000 But, Jack, do you think that it is a step too far?

00:31:15.000 Candace Owens' argument is as follows. 1.00

00:31:18.000 Candace Owens says that young people do stupid stuff. 1.00

00:31:21.000 Thomas Soule was a Marxist at a young age. 1.00

00:31:23.000 Good thing he wasn't put on a list.

00:31:25.000 Good thing that he wasn't canceled.

00:31:27.000 That instead of trying to cancel these kids, we should try to win them over.

00:31:29.000 And that it makes us no better than the left seething with rage just trying to get rid of young people that might be making a mistake.

00:31:36.000 Jack Bosobic, where do you land?

00:31:39.000 Charlie, here's a brief description of my political stance on this.

00:31:45.000 Crush the left.

00:31:47.000 And I have no further details or policies other than that. 1.00

00:31:51.000 Cancel every single one of these commies scum right now. 1.00

00:31:55.000 Put them on every single list that's out there. 1.00

00:31:58.000 That truck that was driving around with their names.

00:32:00.000 I want to find the guys that were running that truck.

00:32:03.000 And I want trucks all across the entire country with this.

00:32:07.000 I will pay for them to drive around in your neighborhood.

00:32:10.000 These guys, and then you had the global Intifada chat and these people running around with like an SPLC lawyer who's like in the chat under her true name.

00:32:18.000 Do you have any idea what it's?

00:32:19.000 Oh, I'm so sorry.

00:32:20.000 People are like, they're crying out there.

00:32:23.000 What if the left starts doing that to us?

00:32:25.000 What if it comes back and starts happening to conservatives?

00:32:28.000 Boo hoo.

00:32:30.000 Where have you been for the last year?

00:32:32.000 Not even the last 18 months, the last eight years.

00:32:36.000 We got a guy, and we'll talk about it later, but we got a guy who's actually going to federal prison over posting Hillary Clinton memes.

00:32:46.000 And you guys are worried about putting people on a list?

00:32:50.000 I'm sorry.

00:32:51.000 Stop making justifications for people that want to throw us in the gulags.

00:32:57.000 Stand up for yourselves.

00:32:59.000 Stand up for our side and actually fight to win.

00:33:04.000 So I got it, and I want Tyler to be chiming on this because Tyler has some fun shared history at Turning Point USA.

00:33:09.000 Communists love lists.

00:33:10.000 They've always loved lists.

00:33:12.000 And when you use a tactic against a communist, they usually don't like that.

00:33:16.000 When you use one of their favorite tactical strategies, what are the Olinski rules against them?

00:33:20.000 They freak out.

00:33:21.000 So we have the professor watch list, which is nothing more than a exposure journalistic type project, right?

00:33:28.000 They hate our professor watch list.

00:33:29.000 Tyler could tell you all about it.

00:33:31.000 In some ways, I kind of like using their own tactics against them. 0.80

00:33:34.000 Tyler, are you pro blacklisting the Hamas simplified sizes? 0.96

00:33:38.000 Can we win these young people over at Harvard University? 0.89

00:33:40.000 And remember, it's Harvard.

00:33:42.000 That's an important part of the story.

00:33:43.000 This is not just some sort of local ranking community college.

00:33:46.000 They're hiding behind the brand and the weight and the, what's the word I'm looking for?

00:33:53.000 The prestige of the Harvard Crimson.

00:33:55.000 Tyler, your thoughts.

00:33:57.000 Yeah, I mean, corporate America, you brought up the professor watch list, right?

00:34:03.000 Corporate America has to live by the same exposure that what the left does to us, right?

00:34:09.000 So they, you know, people actually don't even participate in that crazy stuff if you look back at recent history.

00:34:18.000 And they're canceling people out of banks.

00:34:20.000 They're preventing people from participating in normal, you know, everyday activities of life.

00:34:25.000 And this is happening from corporate America.

00:34:27.000 The corporatists are doing this, right?

00:34:29.000 The individuals who are running some of the largest organizations that are privately held are doing this to average citizens with no repercussions.

00:34:38.000 I don't see any reason at all why we shouldn't be guilt tripping those same people into preventing into not hiring people who are sympathizing or aiding and abetting terrorists.

00:34:52.000 It is absolutely insane.

00:34:54.000 That's just free speech.

00:34:55.000 That's just talking about the things that people are doing in America that shouldn't be okay.

00:35:02.000 And the fact that they're like willing to take bank accounts away from kids who are conservative and people who are participating with conservative politics or relatively doing very little or doing nothing harmful at all other than participating in the process.

00:35:16.000 But people who are actually aiding terrorists and supporting terrorism and supporting the mutilation of human beings and laughing about it, yeah, they should be exposed and we shouldn't give them a seat at the table.

00:35:30.000 And so that's, again, that's not me.

00:35:33.000 I'm not the person giving that person a job, but I think it's fair to have that information public.

00:35:38.000 And that's free speech.

00:35:40.000 You know, that's actually, I actually have a little bit of a different take than you, Charlie, on it.

00:35:45.000 Is I actually don't think that that's list material at all.

00:35:48.000 I think that's beyond that.

00:35:48.000 I think that's just open free speech, which is just truth.

00:35:52.000 And I think that that's actually the greatest combatant to the way that the Alinskyites do business, which is they'll stick a short list of all of us that are on this podcast right now onto a list and try to exclude us from participating in everyday life in America because they disagree with us. 0.74

00:36:11.000 But the only thing that that's the Achilles heel to that is the truth, which is continuing to talk about and perpetuate what's really going on so then people can actually make up their own minds and realize that where we are is actually right in kind of the middle of society and the heart of society. 0.87

00:36:30.000 And that's what they hate.

00:36:31.000 They hate that.

00:36:34.000 So something that stands out to the dynamic here is one thing the left takes advantage of is they take the fact that people in the past have been canceled or fired or taken out for conservative or right-wing views, and this feeds itself.

00:36:51.000 They say, you know, you associated with this person who was so bad, he got fired for his views.

00:36:56.000 And, you know, what was the justification for firing that guy?

00:36:58.000 He associated with someone who was canceled, fired, suppressed for his views.

00:37:02.000 And what's the best argument they have for why they're the mainstream?

00:37:05.000 Everything they do is acceptable because these consequences never happen to them.

00:37:08.000 They're just a mainstream person.

00:37:10.000 No one they know has gotten fired for this sort of thing.

00:37:13.000 And I actually am, relatively speaking, a free speech absolutist.

00:37:18.000 I think opinions, for the most part, are harmless things and people should be allowed to have them.

00:37:22.000 But we increasingly don't live in a society that operates on that principle.

00:37:26.000 And I think you're unlikely to get into that situation until there's a sense of equal stakes for all parties involved.

00:37:32.000 That everyone has a sense of fear.

00:37:35.000 You know, wait a minute, we're going to just vaporize everyone if we keep this up.

00:37:39.000 And right now we don't have that.

00:37:40.000 And I think the biggest thing that we want to get out of this is right now people are being fired for saying, you know, all they did is sign a list saying that they're okay with Hamas decapitating babies in Israel.

00:37:52.000 But, you know, we actually have had rhetoric like this all the time.

00:37:56.000 We found there was one of the people who's actually gotten upset. 0.65

00:37:59.000 He's like, oh, I've seen all these liberals and they don't, they're defending Hamas. 0.91

00:38:03.000 And this guy in 2014 had a tweet that it was something along the lines of like, I wish we could play pinata with like white guys who hang themselves.

00:38:13.000 And the left has had rhetoric like this about just white people, about conservatives, about whatever group they've decided they dislike for years. 0.57

00:38:21.000 And that's all been okay. 0.81

00:38:22.000 It finally with Israel did go too far. 0.79

00:38:24.000 But we have to point out this is not a new frontier in the left's rhetoric. 0.69

00:38:29.000 It's just that they finally upset the right people in their own coalition to make them bug out.

00:38:35.000 But I think we need to take advantage of this and point out the left are really a very deranged and violent bunch.

00:38:40.000 And, you know, if they start losing jobs over it, that might be a step towards us having an actual free speech society rather than one where the people who support decapitating children are somehow our chief censors.

00:38:51.000 Well, and this brings up the Tyler, go ahead.

00:38:54.000 I was just going to say, this brings up, again, with the corporate viewpoint of BLM, and we haven't talked about this enough, I don't think, is just the pendulum hasn't truly swung all the way back from the damage that they did by funding in such a heavy way the Black Lives Matter activists who burned down cities and now are like the greatest Hamas supporters in quote-unquote normal American society, which they introduced these people to.

00:39:24.000 Sorry, I just wanted to throw that in there too.

00:39:26.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:39:27.000 Do we have, Jack, go ahead.

00:39:29.000 Jack's going to say something.

00:39:31.000 I was just going to ask, do we have that clip of the Hamas leader?

00:39:35.000 I know it's from a couple years ago talking about George Floyd.

00:39:38.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:39.000 Yeah, we could dig that up.

00:39:40.000 We have that in the cut sheet.

00:39:41.000 But I want to expand on this a little bit more. 0.80

00:39:43.000 So one of the parts of this story that I've been most interested in is Jewish donors getting aggressive. 0.81

00:39:50.000 That's really at the base of this, right? 0.86

00:39:52.000 This would not be a story if it was not for Bill Ackman. 0.96

00:39:55.000 Huntsman is not Jewish. 0.96

00:39:56.000 He's LDS, right?

00:39:58.000 Ken Griffin.

00:39:58.000 Yes.

00:40:00.000 John Huntsman left the LDS church. 0.65

00:40:02.000 But he's still Mormon. 0.99

00:40:04.000 No? 0.65

00:40:05.000 He's culturally Mormon. 0.71

00:40:06.000 He's culturally Mormon, at least. 0.93

00:40:08.000 Really?

00:40:09.000 I had no idea.

00:40:10.000 Sorry, Abby.

00:40:11.000 That's a thought.

00:40:13.000 Yeah, great.

00:40:15.000 But there's these other donors, too.

00:40:17.000 Mark Rowan from University of Pennsylvania is another one who peeled out a bunch of money.

00:40:20.000 This is promising.

00:40:22.000 It shouldn't have to take this.

00:40:24.000 I mean, I do get why this is.

00:40:25.000 I mean, obviously, if you're a Jewish governor, this matters a lot. 0.91

00:40:28.000 But here's a thought crime, Blake.

00:40:30.000 When will white Anglo-Saxon Protestant donors pull their money for all the anti-white hatred that is being spewed on campus? 0.58

00:40:36.000 I get the Jewish thing, but this for them is their Rubicon, and it should be. 0.96

00:40:40.000 This is the biggest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. 1.00

00:40:43.000 No Jew in their right mind should fund a university campus.

00:40:46.000 But shouldn't other groups start divesting their funds? 0.95

00:40:48.000 For sure, for sure.

00:40:49.000 And, you know, I hear this a lot.

00:40:51.000 It shouldn't have taken this, and I agree.

00:40:52.000 But rather than, you know, we should never have like bad blood that it took people.

00:40:56.000 You know, it's like the biblical parable.

00:40:58.000 The man who comes in at 3 p.m. gets the same wages as the man who was there at dawn.

00:41:03.000 As long as they realize the left has gone insane, we should be grateful that they realized it, even if it took them too long. 0.85

00:41:08.000 Now, as for normal WASP-y donors, I think there's a fatal flaw here, which is if they didn't donate to their school, the football team might not win as many games. 0.83

00:41:19.000 And they would feel sad on Saturday. 0.95

00:41:21.000 We don't attack college football.

00:41:23.000 I'm not attacking college football.

00:41:24.000 I'm only attacking the obsession with college football.

00:41:27.000 And, you know, I think we would have a better country if they were willing to take that leap and say, I'm not going to donate to the football team if you keep having genocidal anti-white hatred at my school.

00:41:38.000 And I know that's tough.

00:41:39.000 I know that's a huge burden.

00:41:41.000 I know it might be the most painful thing the typical, you know, wealthy white male Republican has ever done, but he might have to say, not having my race get genocided off the face of the planet is more important than making sure that we beat Ohio State.

00:41:56.000 I think there's...

00:41:58.000 Yeah, I think there's something I'd just add to that.

00:41:58.000 Or Tyler.

00:42:02.000 I mean, I don't think Blake's wrong in any sense, other than whatever, obviously, amount of times he was dropped as a child. 0.80

00:42:10.000 But more in the sense of, I think there's something else that's going on where, you know, a lot of WASPs just believe, and I say this as someone who's not a WASP, but I think they actually kind of believe in wokeness to a large extent.

00:42:27.000 Like they actually, it's not something where they view themselves as a group that is actually experiencing oppression in the same way.

00:42:36.000 It's that they look at it as, oh, we deserve this.

00:42:39.000 We should have to go through this.

00:42:42.000 They have this white guilt.

00:42:44.000 They have this, you know, it's white man's burden, as they used to say in the past, this idea that, oh, we have to help and this is the most tolerant way we can be.

00:42:53.000 So I just don't think they view themselves in the same type of group of ethnicity that you see from other groups.

00:43:01.000 I just don't see it.

00:43:03.000 Yeah.

00:43:03.000 So, I mean, the defection of these donors is exciting.

00:43:10.000 Blake, can you go through some of the numbers here and just some of the details?

00:43:13.000 Pull that up.

00:43:14.000 It's exciting because finally we're starting to see these major institutions.

00:43:17.000 But what's been unbelievable, Blake, is that these institutions are losing billions of dollars and they're actually still more afraid of their administration and their students.

00:43:25.000 You would think that they would come out and be like, I'm so sorry.

00:43:28.000 It actually goes to show that money and donations are not the most important thing for these colleges.

00:43:33.000 It's definitely not.

00:43:34.000 Now, there is good stuff.

00:43:35.000 The Wexner Foundation, which I believe in the past has been linked to a certain infamous alleged human trafficker, but they're very angry at Harvard over this.

00:43:45.000 There was a donor to Harvard's Kennedy School.

00:43:50.000 Someone get the name for me because I can't easily search and talk at the same time.

00:43:55.000 But I know that he donated about $20 million.

00:43:58.000 There's someone with $200 million in lifetime donations, I believe, to UPenn.

00:44:03.000 They've pulled out.

00:44:03.000 So we have some big, big names that are dropping off.

00:44:07.000 And Idan and Batia Ofer had donated $20 million to the last capital campaign of Harvard Kennedy School.

00:44:14.000 And they gave enough money to get on the board of Harvard.

00:44:19.000 And they have announced they're not going to give anything more for the time being because of their shocking response, as they called it.

00:44:25.000 Mark Rowan, of course, announced he's not donating, but he did more than that.

00:44:29.000 He wrote an article for Barry Weiss's publication saying, all you other rich people should also quit donating.

00:44:36.000 So he's being very public with that.

00:44:39.000 And yet you're still right at the same time.

00:44:42.000 They're very terrified of their student base.

00:44:46.000 Those are the people who are there right now.

00:44:49.000 But the activist base of the administration and the professors, they're terrified of them.

00:44:54.000 I think this is the thing on the right.

00:44:56.000 Often we do want to believe everyone's paid for by George Sorrow.

00:45:00.000 They're also held hostage by ideologues.

00:45:03.000 Yeah, they're held hostage by ideologues.

00:45:04.000 But what we do underestimate is the sheer number of people who just, they're true believers in this.

00:45:09.000 Well, that's what I'm saying, is that ideology actually triumphs getting paid.

00:45:13.000 Definitely, definitely.

00:45:14.000 And honestly, I think this is something where the left often has an advantage over us.

00:45:20.000 There's an awful lot of liberals who are willing to commit crimes and go to prison for what they believe in.

00:45:26.000 And think of all those people who would lay in front of vehicles or get arrested to try to stop a pipeline from going up.

00:45:33.000 And as strong as we feel about things, how many conservatives on any issue are willing to actually go to prison or even get hit by a car just for the sake of what they believe in?

00:45:46.000 And that level of intensity is a reason they win a lot of things.

00:45:50.000 Well, if you want a thought crime, though, you're ready for a thought crime?

00:45:53.000 Blake or Jack?

00:45:55.000 Some people thought they were willing to sacrifice a lot on January 6th.

00:46:00.000 They thought that, right?

00:46:02.000 And many of them did nothing wrong, and they get thrown into prison forever.

00:46:06.000 Is part of the reason why people are afraid is because you get that chilled and you get thrown into prison?

00:46:13.000 There's a bit of that, but a good comparison might be it feels incredibly extreme to make this comparison.

00:46:19.000 But the Northern Irish rebels who fought against the UK, they did hunger strikes in prison, and they cared enough that they literally, several of them starved to death.

00:46:31.000 Bobby Sands is a famous one.

00:46:32.000 He literally starved himself to death, and I believe a few others died as well.

00:46:36.000 That takes an enormous amount of discipline, an enormous amount of intensity.

00:46:39.000 I'm not even weighing in on who's correct in that conflict, but I do think the right certainly doesn't have a lot of people who have that level of intensity, right or wrong.

00:46:51.000 And the left does have a lot of people.

00:46:53.000 It's sort of a mindset.

00:46:54.000 They get that subculture of people who are willing to give, they give everything for the cause, no matter how insane it is.

00:47:04.000 Because it's insane.

00:47:06.000 Jack, your experience.

00:47:08.000 ideology or money, which is a bigger driver of the left's energy.

00:47:15.000 Oh, well, you know, it's an interesting way to look at it.

00:47:19.000 So I guess I would say the energy is created by the ideology.

00:47:26.000 The money directs the ideology.

00:47:30.000 But you can throw as much money as you want at something that has no true belief or true ideological critical mass of people.

00:47:39.000 Like, for example, the DeSantinistas and their failed presidential campaign, which, you know, show me what money they didn't have because they were just obviously trying to run right off a cliff and tell people to come with them.

00:47:55.000 So just because you have money, but without an ideology that at least fits with people, you're not going to be able to be successful or at least get to a critical mass.

00:48:04.000 But with the left, no, it starts ideologically.

00:48:07.000 And this is something that the left does that, you know, I'm going to get into like Trump territory here because there's something very smart that George Soros does.

00:48:16.000 There's something very clever, very cunning, very treacherous that he does.

00:48:20.000 And it's simply this.

00:48:22.000 He and the other left-wing billionaires, whether it be Eric Hoffman, whether it be Arabella Investors, whether it be all these dark money groups, we know all the names, David Brock and his gang.

00:48:33.000 They run around and create make-work jobs for people that already believe leftist ideology.

00:48:39.000 Now, leftist ideology comes from universities.

00:48:42.000 It comes from TV shows.

00:48:43.000 It comes from movies.

00:48:44.000 There's so many different sources of it.

00:48:45.000 It's all around us.

00:48:46.000 It permeates us.

00:48:48.000 It penetrates us.

00:48:48.000 It surrounds us.

00:48:49.000 It binds the galaxy together.

00:48:51.000 And so when the left-wing money comes in, they create these organizations to make people be able to be professional left-wing activists.

00:49:02.000 This doesn't exist on the right.

00:49:04.000 We believe in the private sector.

00:49:05.000 We believe in the right.

00:49:07.000 We believe in people making money, capitalism, innovation, all of these wonderful things.

00:49:12.000 But this is why when you see activists on the right or like Charlie, you get, you know, people will attack you for this all the time where you're saying, hey, we need to build something to fight back.

00:49:19.000 And they'll say, oh, you're just trying to raise money and try to get rich off of politics or something.

00:49:24.000 And it's like, no, I'm actually trying to build an organization to fight back against what they have because if we don't organize, then even though we have the best ideology in the world, it's just entertainment.

00:49:34.000 And there's other, okay, I'm not going to go there, but there are people in the conservative media space that do not do any organizing, that don't get involved in campaigns, that won't stand up, that won't raise their hand, even though when there's a contested election going on in the place where they live, they won't do anything, but they're more than happy to sit and do their podcasts and do their shows and be whitelisted on YouTube and run around and make money because that's all this is about for them.

00:50:03.000 It's not about moving the needle.

00:50:05.000 And the way to move the needle is through organization, period.

00:50:08.000 That's where the money comes in.

00:50:10.000 Let's play cut 125.

00:50:12.000 This is another one.

00:50:14.000 And there's just two things that I've just broken here.

00:50:16.000 This 125, this is at an elementary school, I think, or a middle school, maybe a high school in San Francisco, of young kids screaming like maniacs of Jew hatred.

00:50:25.000 Play cut 125.

00:50:34.000 Palestine will be free. 1.00

00:50:36.000 Run the rivers to the city.

00:50:38.000 Palestine will be free. 1.00

00:50:40.000 All right, geography lesson time. 0.54

00:50:42.000 This is a, is it a dog whistle?

00:50:44.000 I don't even want to call a dog whistle.

00:50:45.000 It is a statement.

00:50:46.000 It's a geography statement. 1.00

00:50:47.000 That is calling for the abolition of the state of Israel and killing Jews. 0.93

00:50:55.000 That means from the river, the Jordan River, to the sea, Jordan River, where our Lord and Savior was baptized by John the Baptist, goes up to Lake Capernaum, where Jesus walked on water, all the way to the Mediterranean Sea to be free. 0.95

00:51:07.000 They want the abolition of the state of Israel. 0.77

00:51:10.000 So anyone listening right now, when you hear from the river to the sea, that's what it means.

00:51:14.000 It means get rid of Israel. 1.00

00:51:15.000 It's code for kill Jews. 1.00

00:51:17.000 That's what it is. 0.98

00:51:18.000 It's in contrast to something like the two-state solution, which you'll hear people tout it, which is there'll be a Judean Samaria becomes some Palestinian state. 0.97

00:51:26.000 Well, yeah, exactly.

00:51:27.000 So the two-state solution would be, yeah, it would be that there's like the West Bank and the Gaza Strip would be a state for the Palestinians, the Muslims in the area. 0.57

00:51:37.000 And then you have Israel for the Jewish people and anyone else, I guess, who wants to remain a citizen of Israel. 0.94

00:51:43.000 And then from the river to the sea is all of this, wipe the slate clean, one state, a Palestinian state. 0.92

00:51:51.000 I want to add on to this, and then we'll get to the next topic here.

00:51:54.000 I want to get to Douglas Mackey.

00:51:55.000 This is a professor at University of California, Davis.

00:51:59.000 Boy, every day, that college scam book ages like a fine wine, man.

00:52:03.000 I got to be honest.

00:52:05.000 It was, I got a lot.

00:52:06.000 It's funny.

00:52:07.000 There were donors to a turning point you say that are Jewish that didn't like the book.

00:52:13.000 They said it was too extreme. 1.00

00:52:14.000 And now they think that I'm totally right.

00:52:16.000 So I feel this is a professor, Gemma DeCristo.

00:52:19.000 I'm going to read her tweet.

00:52:20.000 You ready?

00:52:20.000 Put it up on screen.

00:52:22.000 Gemma de Cristo, quote, one of the group of people we have easy access to in the United States is all these Zionist journalists who spread propaganda and misinformation.

00:52:36.000 They have houses with addresses, kids in school. 0.55

00:52:41.000 They can fear their bosses, but they should fear us more.

00:52:45.000 Knife Axe Blood, Blood, Blood emoji.

00:52:49.000 That is a University of California Davis professor.

00:52:54.000 It's more readable than the usual university paper they churn out.

00:52:58.000 It is.

00:52:58.000 And honestly, she should be arrested for that.

00:53:01.000 I mean, that's, I mean, Blake, you know the law better than I do, but conservatives have been arrested for less.

00:53:06.000 Proof here.

00:53:09.000 Who is going, what is a worse social media post?

00:53:12.000 What Gemma DeCristo just put up there or Douglas Mackey making a meme in the 2016 election?

00:53:18.000 Perfect segue, right, Blake?

00:53:19.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:53:20.000 So Douglas Mackey, we've talked about him a lot on your show.

00:53:25.000 I think we've talked about him on Thought Crime before, but he is the meme maker during the 2016 election.

00:53:31.000 He was a big supporter of Donald Trump.

00:53:33.000 And he made a meme that this is a joke that goes back decades.

00:53:35.000 I remember this joke being told during the 2000 election when I was 10.

00:53:40.000 The joke goes essentially, hey, hey, Democrats, be sure to vote on next Wednesday.

00:53:46.000 You know, in the Republican elections on Tuesday, the Democrat elections on Wednesday.

00:53:50.000 It was a variant of that. 0.64

00:53:51.000 And it was a dumb meme that says, Hillary supporters, you can now vote by text message. 0.69

00:53:56.000 Just send your text message to this number and you can vote.

00:53:58.000 There is no evidence anyone actually attempted to vote this way versus any other way.

00:54:03.000 There's no evidence anyone was disenfranchised by this.

00:54:06.000 And there's no evidence it did anything to swing the 2016 election in the slightest.

00:54:10.000 And it was, as far as we can tell, essentially only seen by Trump supporters because that's who followed this guy's Twitter account.

00:54:17.000 Four years after the 2016 election, the Joe Biden government, the Joe Biden DOJ halls this guy in, prosecutes him, convicts him in New York, in New York City.

00:54:29.000 So not the most unbiased jury, convicts him, and now he's been sentenced to seven months in jail or jail prison.

00:54:36.000 I'm not sure which way it is.

00:54:37.000 Seven months, and he doesn't even get a stay for appeal.

00:54:40.000 He has to serve it right away.

00:54:43.000 I know some people who are on his team, they're completely blindsided by that.

00:54:48.000 They say that's incredibly rare to do.

00:54:50.000 But that really gets at what's the heart of this, which is just like so many of the January 6th cases, just recently, the Biden administration appealed to get tougher sentences on several men who've already been given 15-year sentences over January 6th.

00:55:04.000 They say it needs to be tougher.

00:55:05.000 Same here.

00:55:06.000 This is all very vengeance-motivated.

00:55:08.000 They very much want to maximize the pain here.

00:55:12.000 It is rather than a justice system, it is a vengeance system in the most sort of much like a tribal society that they apparently want to turn America into.

00:55:23.000 Yeah, so let's, Jack, you've really been following the Douglas Mackey thing.

00:55:27.000 What do you think is the big takeaway that people have been missing?

00:55:30.000 Yeah, I would throw out, though, that I have heard that Doug's report date will be 18 January.

00:55:40.000 That, of course, is also up for appeal.

00:55:42.000 So, they are going to try to fight that stay, try to overturn that decision.

00:55:47.000 So, people have heard that they just had their first baby, Doug and his wife.

00:55:52.000 And so, it looks like they'll be able to have the holidays.

00:55:56.000 And then he's supposed to report on 18 January.

00:55:59.000 And again, remember, this is over posting a meme, posting a series of memes.

00:56:06.000 By the way, there's another series of memes that Doug posted called hashtag draft our daughters, and basically warned us that if the Democrats got back in office, they would lead us all to war.

00:56:18.000 Of course, hashtag draft our daughters was satire based around Hillary's embrace of and really ride of the feminism wave of the 90s, of course, into the 2000s, and then hoped to ride it all the way into the presidency with her infamous slogan, hashtag I'm with her.

00:56:35.000 Probably one of the most narcissistic slogans that we've ever seen grace the face of the American presidential field.

00:56:42.000 But the website is meme defensefund.com, meme defensefund.com.

00:56:48.000 I've donated.

00:56:49.000 I encourage everyone to donate because whether or not you agree with everything that Doug has ever said or done, his meme account, of course, was known as Ricky Vaughan.

00:56:59.000 It was an anonymous account.

00:57:02.000 A lot of trolly stuff was posted on there.

00:57:03.000 A lot of memes were posted on there.

00:57:05.000 Whatever.

00:57:06.000 The point is, it's about having the freedom of speech to make what is essentially the modern political cartoon.

00:57:14.000 So a meme is the modern political cartoon.

00:57:18.000 And do you want to be a country that not only attacks cartoons like this, censors cartoons like this, but actually arrests people who make cartoons like this?

00:57:32.000 And, you know, Mark Dice, the YouTuber and blogger, you know, he did a video yesterday where he was walking around, I think it was Santa Monica, saying, going to people saying, hey, you know, we've banned people from election disinformation on Facebook, but it turns out people are saying that in public.

00:57:50.000 Do you think we should start arresting them?

00:57:52.000 And he was having people sign a petition saying, should we arrest people for denying that Joe Biden won the 2020 election?

00:57:58.000 And he was getting people left and right, left and right, sign up this petition.

00:58:03.000 He's like, you know, you know, they're not allowed to say it on Facebook.

00:58:05.000 You shouldn't be able to say it.

00:58:06.000 And then the over the dinner table, right?

00:58:09.000 And these people are just signing left and right.

00:58:12.000 They're more than happy to sign.

00:58:13.000 Oh, yeah, of course those people should be arrested.

00:58:14.000 You can't be. 1.00

00:58:15.000 And the one guy said, the one, I think it's actually a woman who says it to him and goes, well, that's a danger to our democracy.

00:58:21.000 So these phrases are repeated over and over and over again.

00:58:26.000 And I'm going to sound like I'm plugging it, but Dinesh D'Souza has got his film Police State coming out.

00:58:31.000 And I'm like, did Dinesh D'Souza program this week's news or this month's news to serve as a promotion for his new film?

00:58:40.000 Because that's exactly what it feels like this country is turning into when a guy can go from posting memes to facing the bars of a jail cell years and years later over posting an obviously hilarious meme, which, by the way, they were not even able to find anyone who actually said they thought they were voting when they sent a message to this number.

00:59:09.000 They weren't even able to find one victim.

00:59:11.000 Even at the trial, they weren't able to find a victim of this entire thing, but they said it didn't matter.

00:59:16.000 And by the way, Charlie, I'll throw it back to you here because the specific charge that they went with was actually a direct tie to President Trump.

00:59:24.000 And this is a test case in many ways, because what did they get him on?

00:59:28.000 Conspiracy against rights, which is one of the very same charges that President Trump is being hit with over January 6th. 0.95

00:59:35.000 A lot of J6s were hit with this one, conspiracy against rights, which is this old 19th century law that's been dusted off. 0.59

00:59:44.000 It's incredibly vague. 0.99

00:59:45.000 It was actually meant for the KKK.

00:59:48.000 Everybody knew it was meant for that purpose at the time, but they've dusted it off.

00:59:52.000 And it's, as Blake says, when he's able to string more than two words together, that what they are doing is they're taking the friend-enemy distinction and applying that now to the law.

01:00:04.000 So, Charlie, I think, I'd love to hear your analysis on this, but I think this is definitely a test case for Trump when it comes to that.

01:00:11.000 Yeah, no doubt.

01:00:12.000 I mean, all this, the test cases of them resurrecting, the test case for the Foreign Agent Act was Michael Flynn, right?

01:00:19.000 The test case for the meme thing is Douglas Mackey.

01:00:21.000 They resurrect these old laws and they find test cases in jurisdiction they like.

01:00:25.000 Blake, you have a thought then, Tyler?

01:00:26.000 The KKK Act, that is literally what they nicknamed the law in question, this Conspiracy Against Rights Act.

01:00:34.000 If you read the law in question, it's so clearly meant for some form, like coherent racial terrorism.

01:00:40.000 You can see why it was aimed at the KKK.

01:00:42.000 It's someone who uses violence, intimidations, threats to deny someone of a core right. 0.98

01:00:48.000 And obviously the intent was the KKK after the Civil War would ride up to black people's homes and they would menace them, you know, the infamous burning crosses they became known for later, but also just, you know, much more gangster-like behavior, point a gun at them and say, if you vote or attempt to vote, we will kill you.

01:01:06.000 And in some cases, they just did kill people as a form of terrorism. 0.75

01:01:10.000 And that's so obviously what it's meant for.

01:01:12.000 Now they're taking, they're just saying telling a lie on the internet is a form of denying someone rights.

01:01:18.000 So they're changing it from violent behavior to just saying something untrue.

01:01:22.000 And then they're taking it in these totally different contexts and vastly expanding.

01:01:28.000 You know, it used to be that you have to intimidate someone in a concrete way.

01:01:31.000 Now they're just saying, you told a fib and we have no victim, but in theory, we could imagine someone falling for this.

01:01:37.000 And they've already, this is what they're, they literally did charge Donald Trump with this exact same law.

01:01:43.000 They say that by holding his rally at the Capitol and whipping up his supporters to storm the Capitol, that's what they say he did, that he was doing a conspiracy against rights.

01:01:52.000 And there's essentially no limit to how this law can be abused if you accept that.

01:01:57.000 You could say, you know, if you're promoting, you know, you promote this dangerous political movement, you could say, you support a political movement that wants to take away the rights of minorities. 0.68

01:02:10.000 That's what the right wants to do.

01:02:11.000 And so that's a conspiracy against rights.

01:02:13.000 That's not freedom of speech.

01:02:14.000 That's conspiracy against rights because your ideas are bad ideas.

01:02:18.000 There's no limit to it.

01:02:19.000 And this is, it's not really just a meme maker case.

01:02:23.000 It is truly the case of can we get away with criminalizing the opposition?

01:02:28.000 Tyler, you have a meme story, then we'll wrap it up.

01:02:30.000 Yeah, I had so this week I posted the join or die meme, the original meme, right?

01:02:37.000 The original political meme.

01:02:38.000 I think Ben Franklin did it, right?

01:02:39.000 The join or die.

01:02:41.000 Yeah, that is the original political meme.

01:02:43.000 So I posted join and in brackets, Jim Jordan or die this week because everything going on, right?

01:02:51.000 And I had all these, it must have got posted in one of the, in one of the lib groups.

01:02:57.000 And so I got like a hundred messages like, are you saying that we should, you're going to kill people if they don't vote for Jim Jordan?

01:03:07.000 I'm like, oh, oh my gosh.

01:03:09.000 So I like took the time like one at a time to go through and message them.

01:03:13.000 I'm like, hey, I don't know if you know history, but like it was about coming together or else what I'm saying is the Republican Party is going to die if we don't come together.

01:03:22.000 And they're like, oh, okay.

01:03:24.000 But like, this is like the exact same thing where it's like taking memes, addressing it.

01:03:29.000 Same thing.

01:03:30.000 Like they, they were like coming at me.

01:03:31.000 Some of these messages were like, this person needs to be absolutely canceled because they're like wanting to kill people over Jim Jordan.

01:03:38.000 I'm like, oh my gosh, it's like these people have no idea what's going on.

01:03:41.000 And Blake, you brought up a really good point.

01:03:43.000 What's really crazy is like nobody, or not Blake, I think it was, I think, Jack, you brought this up.

01:03:51.000 It's like, no one was disenfranchised.

01:03:53.000 Like they're throwing this kid in jail.

01:03:55.000 No one was actually disenfranchised.

01:03:57.000 There's no proof of it.

01:03:58.000 Meanwhile, here in Maricoba County, we had all the machines shut down because they misprogrammed or reprogrammed the machines to read the wrong size paper that literally disenfranchised thousands.

01:04:11.000 They have affidavits for thousands and thousands of people that would flip elections here in Maricoba County.

01:04:17.000 And there's not a single Republican that's worth the assault that's going to take that.

01:04:24.000 The thing is, it's not, and I say this all the time.

01:04:27.000 And you're 100% right.

01:04:28.000 I'm sure we can all sit here and think of a million things the libs do, Prison Trump being gagged, for example, by the judge in his case that do affect as election interference.

01:04:39.000 But I say this a million times.

01:04:41.000 And it's useful to lay the stuff out every once in a while.

01:04:45.000 But at the same time, it's not hypocrisy on their part.

01:04:48.000 It is not hypocrisy.

01:04:49.000 It is hierarchy.

01:04:51.000 They are showing us who is in power.

01:04:53.000 That's why their people can storm the Capitol and walk away with impunity.

01:04:57.000 The Republicans won't even hold a hearing on it.

01:05:00.000 They won't even go into the Global Intifada chat.

01:05:02.000 They won't even point out the fact they have their true names in the global Intifada chat.

01:05:06.000 The SPLC is an organization that has a 501c3 status.

01:05:12.000 You won't even see the Republican Attorney General.

01:05:14.000 I know we've talked about this in the show before.

01:05:16.000 The Republican AG of Alabama will not open an investigation into that situation to see whether or not the SPLC was involved in organizing this insurrection that did, by the way, Stymie and block the work of Congress.

01:05:30.000 You won't see anything like that because our side has adopted this mindset of a second class, second-class citizen, second-tier status.

01:05:40.000 And essentially what it is is learned helplessness to the point where, you know, I mean, look at us.

01:05:44.000 We can't even choose a speaker.

01:05:46.000 Terrible.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 21, 2023

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 18 — Believe All Media? Blacklist Hamas Backers? Mackey the Martyr?

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