The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 19 — Are College Sports Ruined? UFC and Bud Light? Da Jesus Book?

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00:00:36.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:18.000 Happy Thursday.

00:01:19.000 It is Thought Crime Thursday.

00:01:22.000 Blake, how are we doing?

00:01:23.000 We're doing lovely.

00:01:24.000 Fan favorite, Blake.

00:01:25.000 Tyler Boyer.

00:01:26.000 It's good to be here, Charlie.

00:01:27.000 D-Bax won.

00:01:28.000 Yeah, Jack, where's your hat?

00:01:30.000 Hey, Jack, how'd the Phillies do?

00:01:31.000 Sorry, I don't watch sports very often.

00:01:35.000 What can I say?

00:01:36.000 Man of my word.

00:01:37.000 Man of my word.

00:01:38.000 Oh, he put one.

00:01:40.000 Wow.

00:01:42.000 How did he get that?

00:01:44.000 The only one they had for sale out in the middle.

00:01:46.000 Yeah, the only one that they could overnight was first day.

00:01:49.000 Right.

00:01:50.000 But that they could overnight was this.

00:01:53.000 The classic one.

00:01:54.000 There we go.

00:01:55.000 Classic one.

00:01:55.000 There we go.

00:01:56.000 I'd like to thank Tyler Boyer as well as Jessica Barsh for letting me know of my newfound and heretofore lifelong adoration of what's the name of the team again?

00:02:12.000 The team.

00:02:12.000 No, like the team.

00:02:13.000 No, I know it's Arizona, but what's the dingle bat?

00:02:17.000 Okay, the dingle bad.

00:02:18.000 The bobcat.

00:02:20.000 And I just really support their endeavors so much.

00:02:25.000 It's the Bobbacks, right? 0.95

00:02:27.000 Tyler Bob.

00:02:28.000 Tyler, you got to explain.

00:02:29.000 This is the greatest branding disaster in the history of sports.

00:02:33.000 It made sense in the 90s.

00:02:35.000 Like teal and purple made sense in the 90s.

00:02:37.000 Okay, Charlie.

00:02:38.000 So the Diamondbacks, when they started, they played at Bank One Ballpark.

00:02:43.000 And so they called it Bob.

00:02:44.000 And so when they were like, we need a mascot, and they tried a snake, but you can do so much as a snake.

00:02:52.000 It was a costume issue.

00:02:53.000 And so they're like, oh, well, we'll just, because it's Bob, we'll call him Baxter for Diamondbacks, the Bobcat, as Bob is his home.

00:03:03.000 But then Bank One got bought by Chase.

00:03:06.000 And so now it's Chase Fields.

00:03:07.000 So now everyone's like super confused.

00:03:09.000 Like, why is your mascot a Bobcat?

00:03:13.000 And the Suns have the gorilla.

00:03:14.000 So we have the Phoenix Suns Gorilla, which makes no sense, which is a historical thing.

00:03:18.000 And we have a Bobcat for the Diamond.

00:03:19.000 We have the Gorilla for the Phoenix Suns.

00:03:22.000 Yeah.

00:03:22.000 It's the Suns Gorilla.

00:03:23.000 Because we had no mascot.

00:03:25.000 You have the Gorky Kirkwood.

00:03:27.000 A guy used to show up just dressed as a gorilla dancing all around.

00:03:31.000 But Tyler, when did the purple thing stop existing?

00:03:34.000 When did they go to this awful red and black?

00:03:36.000 I think when they sold the team, was that in 2000?

00:03:39.000 When Jerry Colangelus sold the team to the Kendricks.

00:03:42.000 When was that?

00:03:43.000 It was like, it was actually like 2008, I think.

00:03:46.000 I don't like the rebrand.

00:03:47.000 I miss the old.

00:03:48.000 Well, now it's now it's Sedona Red and turquoise is like supposed to be Arizona.

00:03:53.000 I like the old 90s.

00:03:55.000 I like the old color scheme.

00:03:57.000 Does it is super 90s in the way all the teams that joined sports leagues from 95 to 2000 had these like Utah Jazz very simple metallic Minnesota Timberwolves?

00:04:09.000 The Jaguars, the Seattle Seahawks, Sonics.

00:04:13.000 They had that kind of big lettery.

00:04:15.000 Even the Rams, the then St. Louis Rams changed to that strange metallic gold color.

00:04:20.000 And now they changed back to the bottom of the bottom hornets.

00:04:23.000 Charlotte Hornets were these colors.

00:04:25.000 If everyone had this dark metallic, and they still are.

00:04:29.000 They've readopted them.

00:04:31.000 I miss the 90s.

00:04:32.000 And now we're going back to the real golden age, though, which is 70s uniforms.

00:04:35.000 So we were in the chat, and Jack said, There's no way the Phils are, you know, with their $300 million are going to drop two games of Philadelphia and boom.

00:04:47.000 Happened.

00:04:47.000 Now look at him.

00:04:49.000 Now he's a Diamondbacks fan for life.

00:04:51.000 He has no choice.

00:04:52.000 Go back.

00:04:53.000 You know that the Philadelphia Phillies have the biggest payroll of any team in baseball.

00:04:59.000 Number one.

00:05:00.000 $209 million.

00:05:03.000 And half of it is Bryce Harper.

00:05:05.000 The Arizona Diamondbacks are 23 in payroll.

00:05:09.000 $62 million.

00:05:11.000 You know, they have a big payroll, but they are going to have the second most championships in MLB this year.

00:05:18.000 Zero.

00:05:21.000 So you're recovering okay, Jack, as a Philly fan?

00:05:24.000 You're used to heartbreak tragedy?

00:05:26.000 I mean, Charlie, what can I say?

00:05:28.000 You know, I've been a Philly fan my entire life.

00:05:30.000 So, I mean, you think this L is anything for us?

00:05:34.000 Look, we've lost World Series.

00:05:36.000 We've lost.

00:05:37.000 You think this is the first game seven the Phillies have gone down in?

00:05:40.000 Please, we've lost Super Bowls on the world stage.

00:05:44.000 We've lost, you know, we've had champions go to the Olympics and lose big.

00:05:47.000 So please, this is like a Wednesday for us.

00:05:49.000 Well, you guys got a Super Bowl recently, though.

00:05:51.000 The Philly special.

00:05:52.000 Was that 17 or 18?

00:05:54.000 Right?

00:05:54.000 That was when Nick Foles came in.

00:05:57.000 Was that Nick Foles who came in?

00:05:59.000 I think it was Nick Foles who came in for the North Dakota kid that tore his ACL.

00:06:04.000 Yes, yeah.

00:06:05.000 Carson Wentz got away.

00:06:06.000 Carson Wentz got hurt.

00:06:07.000 Greatest tragedy.

00:06:08.000 Greatest tragedy in the world.

00:06:09.000 Yeah, but then Nick Foles, a University of Arizona product, right, Tyler?

00:06:12.000 He has a nickname.

00:06:13.000 That's pretty famous.

00:06:14.000 Possibly.

00:06:14.000 Yeah, it could have been.

00:06:15.000 You know, everybody thought that Foles was going to, you know, second string quarterback.

00:06:18.000 How could a second stringer win the whole thing?

00:06:21.000 This happens not in the Super Bowl, but a couple of games before in playoff.

00:06:24.000 So Foles takes over, who's just a washed-up buster and just goes nuts. 1.00

00:06:29.000 And just rides it out, just totally rides it out, wins the game.

00:06:33.000 They beat the Patriots, if I remember correctly, in Jersey.

00:06:37.000 It was in Metalands.

00:06:38.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:06:39.000 The Super Bowl was in the Metalins, if I remember correctly. 0.90

00:06:41.000 Very cold.

00:06:42.000 Yeah, they were so worried it was going to be a snowstorm Super Bowl.

00:06:45.000 Actually, ended up being okay.

00:06:46.000 It was like 38 degrees.

00:06:47.000 It was like a big thing.

00:06:48.000 Like, is the Super Bowl going to be lost?

00:06:49.000 The best lore on the Phillies before we move on is they do have the most losses of any professional team in American sports.

00:06:59.000 The Phillies have managed to lose 11,241 times.

00:07:04.000 So they were just really, they were an original team that was really bad.

00:07:08.000 They were bad for a very long time.

00:07:10.000 They are bad enough that with Jack's new team, the Dingleberries, Diamondbacks, they would have to lose every single game.

00:07:18.000 They would have to lose every single game for something like 30 years in a row to have lost as many games as the Phillies.

00:07:25.000 We prefer D-bags, okay?

00:07:26.000 That's what they call.

00:07:27.000 That's what they call them.

00:07:29.000 Again, Carly, like this is nothing for us.

00:07:32.000 This is like...

00:07:33.000 Keep on.

00:07:35.000 I remember talking to a couple.

00:07:41.000 We went 104 years, Jack.

00:07:44.000 Okay.

00:07:45.000 No, 106, I think.

00:07:47.000 It was.

00:07:48.000 When we were kids, I remember my dad actually had season tickets for the sort of, you know, famous 93 Phillies and went to, you know, went to a ton of the games, got to see Nails play, Lenny Dykstra.

00:08:03.000 I got to see everybody, Mike Schmidt, even earlier than that.

00:08:06.000 So it was just a really cool time.

00:08:08.000 And, you know, growing up, that's back when the games were held at Veterans Stadium, which doesn't even exist anymore.

00:08:13.000 And I remember just, you know, we would, my, you know, we could only, we only had enough money for two tickets.

00:08:18.000 So what my brother and I, my dad would do is, you know, one of us would go to one game, one would go to the other.

00:08:23.000 Basically, we'd switch off.

00:08:26.000 Well, best of luck in, I think it starts tomorrow, right?

00:08:29.000 First game?

00:08:29.000 Yeah.

00:08:30.000 Texas Rangers.

00:08:31.000 First game in Arlington.

00:08:34.000 In Arlington.

00:08:34.000 Where they don't win a lot of games in Arlington.

00:08:36.000 It's right next to Jerry Stadium.

00:08:37.000 They win it.

00:08:39.000 By the way, Tyler, I'm not sure what the confines of our bet were, but this is like a winter cap and I've got the heat on in here.

00:08:45.000 Whole show.

00:08:47.000 What?

00:08:47.000 Whole show.

00:08:48.000 You just have to pull it to the crown of your head and wear like suffering gives meaning to life, Jack.

00:08:54.000 We said the show, but I don't know.

00:08:56.000 Yeah, by the way, whole show or a portion of the show.

00:08:59.000 Tim Poole wears that hat forever.

00:09:01.000 So don't give me that.

00:09:02.000 Okay.

00:09:02.000 I thought this was.

00:09:04.000 Is this not Tim Pool?

00:09:06.000 I thought this was Tim Pool.

00:09:07.000 For a second, I thought we were.

00:09:08.000 Oh, it's Jack.

00:09:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:09:10.000 Yeah, no, see, because it's got the A on it for Reposo.

00:09:14.000 All right.

00:09:15.000 I want to reiterate something that was said.

00:09:17.000 I just want to fact check real quick.

00:09:18.000 This was the first game seven that the Phillies have ever lost.

00:09:22.000 It was the first game seven they've ever been to in their history.

00:09:25.000 Is that right?

00:09:25.000 They're bad time.

00:09:28.000 But they want a World Series like an 08 or something.

00:09:31.000 They didn't go to game seven.

00:09:32.000 Okay, but they still, like this whole like complaining, if you win one more than every 50 years, you're fine.

00:09:38.000 Yeah, and Bryce Harper, how can he like Bryce Harper?

00:09:41.000 How can you like Schwarber?

00:09:42.000 I mean, Schwarber looks like a dad.

00:09:44.000 Hold on, he gave the Cubs a World Series.

00:09:45.000 He is a relic in the pantheon of Cubs Legends.

00:09:49.000 I was laughing with Lauren because we were watching.

00:09:51.000 Schwarber looks like your average dad in like the pickup line at like school.

00:09:55.000 I'm supposed to not like him for that reason.

00:09:57.000 That makes him sound awesome.

00:09:58.000 He also has the most home runs of any left-handed hitter.

00:10:01.000 He's incredible.

00:10:02.000 He's scary.

00:10:02.000 He's also like the worst hitter to be a big home run hitter.

00:10:06.000 Doesn't he?

00:10:07.000 Average 190 or something, bad and average.

00:10:09.000 All he does is hit a home run or go out.

00:10:12.000 That's why it's scary when you're only up.

00:10:16.000 So we can go multiple directions.

00:10:18.000 We want to go right into the sports angle, Blake.

00:10:20.000 Let's start with the...

00:10:22.000 Because, I mean, just so everyone understands kind of how we're approaching this, okay?

00:10:26.000 You got wars and rumors of war.

00:10:27.000 We got mass shootings in Maine.

00:10:29.000 We got houses surrounded.

00:10:31.000 We got another potential mass shooting in New Jersey.

00:10:33.000 We just had a speaker of the house.

00:10:35.000 We have an invasion on the southern border.

00:10:37.000 We got a lot of negative stuff.

00:10:38.000 We're like, okay, Maine.

00:10:40.000 Right.

00:10:41.000 And we have three hours of that we do every day.

00:10:44.000 Jack does it for a couple hours.

00:10:45.000 And so, you know, we said, you know what?

00:10:46.000 Let's just take a temporary little detour, which, by the way, the sports angle, and then can get into Dana White and UFC and Bud Light.

00:10:52.000 So we can kind of do this.

00:10:54.000 But let's just start with the topic that we'd usually wait for longer, which is college sports, NIL, name image likeness.

00:11:02.000 This is a ridiculously interesting topic.

00:11:04.000 Everyone listening, even if you're not a sports fan, this topic will get your curiosity because you are living through a total seismic change in philanthropy, college sports, higher education, young men and how they get paid when they play football.

00:11:17.000 Blake, walk us through it.

00:11:18.000 Okay, so this has all started our discussion.

00:11:21.000 There was an article in the New York Times a few days ago.

00:11:24.000 It was called How Rich Donors and Loose Rules Are Transforming College Sports.

00:11:29.000 And it's this massive, massive piece.

00:11:31.000 I encourage people to look it up.

00:11:32.000 But I also extracted some details from it.

00:11:36.000 So a few years ago, the NCAA lost a Supreme Court case, which said, you know, you can't stop players from profiting off their name image likeness.

00:11:45.000 And so this opened the door to players receiving some compensation while being college athletes.

00:11:52.000 And it took very little time for this to evolve.

00:11:55.000 This decision was, I want to say, about three years ago or so.

00:11:58.000 Not even.

00:11:59.000 And it's already become this new thing where what donors have realized they can do is they set up these donor collectives, they call them.

00:12:07.000 There's more than 100 of these now at all the big schools, donor collectives.

00:12:11.000 And they essentially just collect money from boosters of this school.

00:12:14.000 Some of them are for-profit entities, or at least not not-for-profit, and some are non-profits that you can donate to and get a tax deduction for it.

00:12:22.000 And these collectives come up with various ways to play players overwhelmingly in D1 college football or D1 college basketball.

00:12:30.000 And some of these details are just crazy.

00:12:32.000 So one player at Michigan State University makes $750,000 per year as a college athlete.

00:12:40.000 At Ohio State University, some players not only get a paycheck, they get a free car lease as well.

00:12:47.000 This is Utah, by the way.

00:12:48.000 Utah, Kyle Williams.

00:12:49.000 Utah also has this.

00:12:50.000 Who, by the way, is a bully and will hopefully beat by the Oregon Ducks this weekend.

00:12:53.000 Just gave every player a Dodge truck.

00:12:55.000 Yeah.

00:12:55.000 $61,000.

00:12:56.000 He's like, if you play for me, you all get a truck.

00:12:59.000 Who'd he come from?

00:13:00.000 It's just paid for.

00:13:01.000 It's like Larry, what's his name?

00:13:04.000 It's on the Utah Jet.

00:13:05.000 He has a bunch of dealerships down here, too.

00:13:07.000 I have no idea.

00:13:08.000 And just Cade McNamara was a quarterback.

00:13:11.000 He's not even good.

00:13:11.000 And he was going to transfer.

00:13:12.000 He got hurt.

00:13:12.000 He went to the house.

00:13:13.000 He got hurt.

00:13:13.000 And he transferred.

00:13:14.000 And he just essentially openly says, yeah, I'm just looking at the different offers.

00:13:17.000 You know, who's got.

00:13:18.000 It's like LeBron James.

00:13:20.000 Get that cut, Ryan.

00:13:21.000 I will bring my talents to South.

00:13:23.000 Remember that?

00:13:23.000 The announcement?

00:13:24.000 Taking my talents to South Carolina.

00:13:25.000 Do you remember that announcement? 0.98

00:13:26.000 One of the most ridiculous decisions. 0.97

00:13:27.000 Yeah, the decision. 0.96

00:13:29.000 By the way, they got like 12 million views.

00:13:31.000 Exactly.

00:13:31.000 But at least LeBron James was a full professional.

00:13:34.000 What is crazy about this?

00:13:36.000 So Cade McNamara is at one taxpayer-funded public university where he says, I'm going to transfer and go where the best offer is.

00:13:44.000 He ends up transferring to Iowa, another taxpayer-funded public university.

00:13:49.000 He is paid $600 per hour for a nonprofit job of delivering meals to seniors and visiting children in hospitals.

00:13:57.000 $600 an hour is what a New York corporate attorney who's going to come after this pretty hard.

00:14:04.000 But they haven't.

00:14:05.000 They have.

00:14:05.000 No, they have.

00:14:06.000 There's a letter.

00:14:07.000 There is.

00:14:08.000 There's a guidance letter on collectives, right?

00:14:10.000 That's it.

00:14:11.000 No, their guidance letter said in July that they're basically going to start coming after all these C3s. 1.00

00:14:18.000 I will believe it when I see consequences for it.

00:14:22.000 And I think in the medium term, though, it is to respond to anything.

00:14:28.000 So it just, it does stand out to me, though, that when you think of the reasons people would traditionally give for liking college sports so much, even though it is a lower level of play than professional, it's, you know, they would cite identifying with the school, the ideal of a student athlete, amateurism historically.

00:14:50.000 Just really identifying with a specific place.

00:14:52.000 And it just does seem very jarring, at least to me, that it becomes so mercenary that everyone is essentially just going to pick, well, what place can pay me the most under this new setup?

00:15:02.000 And becoming this de facto minor league for a major pro sports league when there's still mostly public schools that are doing.

00:15:08.000 Well, let's also, let's be honest, though.

00:15:10.000 First of all, with all the conference realignment, this was happening anyway, right?

00:15:13.000 So as far as the kind of professionalization of college sports, the innocence of college sports has been dying for quite some time.

00:15:19.000 But I want to push back a little bit though, Blake.

00:15:21.000 So I met an individual, I'm not going to say who.

00:15:24.000 Tyler knows who this person is.

00:15:25.000 I'll put it in the chat.

00:15:26.000 And he was a kicker for a Big 12 team.

00:15:28.000 Okay.

00:15:28.000 He was in politics.

00:15:29.000 And he was like, hey, look, I remember he hit a game-winning field goal, right?

00:15:34.000 He played for a team in the Big 12, went to his locker, and there's $10,000 cash waiting in his locker.

00:15:39.000 So it happened all the time.

00:15:41.000 So if you think this is new, Players have been getting paid hardcore cash.

00:15:47.000 It's just the devil's advocate, like, it's just that now it's out in the open.

00:15:50.000 I'll give you another example. 0.99

00:15:51.000 I know another college athlete played for USC, dumb as a box of rocks. 1.00

00:15:54.000 Sweet kid, right? 0.99

00:15:55.000 Again, intelligence, as Tucker Carlson said, is not a moral value. 0.97

00:16:03.000 And so, dumb guy, they would pay the players in the offseason through the nonprofit of the foundation to just literally like watch footballs, like just watch the footballs. 0.92

00:16:14.000 So, like, it's just, it just seems to be now in the public eye. 0.99

00:16:18.000 Reggie Bush was paid.

00:16:19.000 Matt Leinert was paid.

00:16:21.000 It's always been there.

00:16:22.000 It does seem more glaring now.

00:16:25.000 And I guess taking a step back, if people like college football or college basketball, more power to you.

00:16:31.000 What bothers me, I will say, is again, that we are corrupting institutions that ostensibly have a different purpose because we still pretend these people are student athletes.

00:16:41.000 We still say they're supposed to take classes.

00:16:44.000 And then in turn, we corrupt these institutions.

00:16:46.000 So if you go to some of these schools, UNC has had scandals about this.

00:16:50.000 Ohio State has had scandals about this, where, okay, you're a student athlete, but because you're one of our scholarship student athletes, you have a separate dorm area.

00:16:58.000 You go to a different building for classes.

00:17:00.000 We have special athlete-only classes.

00:17:01.000 We have special athlete-only tutors who, you know, assist you a lot in your scholarly endeavors.

00:17:09.000 And we gut all of these things.

00:17:11.000 We'll gut academic standards.

00:17:13.000 We've had scandals at our military service academies where professors have complained we are lowering academic standards for people whose job is to protect the United States in order to make sure that the, you know, the Navy midshipmen are able to win more football games.

00:17:27.000 And they've won a lot of football games as a result.

00:17:30.000 And it does, it just bothers me that this is apparently like the supreme expression of American values is competition in college sports, such that we will dilute illustrious institutions for the sake of getting those victories.

00:17:44.000 Well, so Tyler, you know, to talk about this, talk about how the money flows.

00:17:47.000 This is what's interesting.

00:17:49.000 So this has a political overture.

00:17:52.000 The architecture is similar.

00:17:53.000 The architecture is the most identical.

00:17:55.000 We happen to think of ourselves a little bit pros on how the left funds itself over at Turning Point Action.

00:18:03.000 Charlie has spent a ton of time on this.

00:18:05.000 I've spent a ton of time on this.

00:18:07.000 So if you've heard of Arabella Advisors, so you know Arabella, they have become the epicenter at manipulating C3 dollars in order to push a political narrative, right?

00:18:20.000 That's what that's all they've done.

00:18:22.000 And how they've done it is very simple.

00:18:23.000 It's very similar to how NIL is doing it, specifically with these collectives, as you've mentioned.

00:18:29.000 These collectives now have been slapped by the IRS saying, we're going to come after you.

00:18:34.000 We're going to auto you.

00:18:35.000 So they've already started moving into for-profit collectives and then taking C3 dollars from C3 organizations that are legit C3 organizations that have existed for years and years and years and years, because this is the big problem.

00:18:46.000 And Charlie knows this really, really well.

00:18:48.000 New C3s are under a microscope much more often than old C3s.

00:18:54.000 So like the American Heart Association, probably not going to get, you know, going to get canceled anytime soon by the IRS.

00:19:02.000 But a brand new political C3, like what happened under Obama is going to get yanked.

00:19:07.000 And so this is what's happened with the NILs.

00:19:08.000 The NILs, these new C3 collectives are getting scrutinized. 1.00

00:19:13.000 And so they're going now to old C3s that have existed, family foundations, things like that that have existed and said, give the money to them.

00:19:22.000 Get your write-off.

00:19:24.000 They will now give money to these for-profit collectives.

00:19:27.000 The for-profit collectives, they don't have to worry about very much there anyways.

00:19:31.000 They're not worried about taxes and paying taxes.

00:19:32.000 They're getting tons of money.

00:19:34.000 And now those for-profit collectives are now giving the money and the gifts and things like that to the students.

00:19:39.000 And that's the future.

00:19:40.000 And that is exactly how Arabella operates. 1.00

00:19:42.000 Arabella operates as a for-profit entity.

00:19:44.000 It's this magic C3 dollars.

00:19:46.000 This massive web of money.

00:19:48.000 And so, Jack, your thoughts on this, on college sports in general, but also, you know, have, has this actually always been as innocent as we like to think?

00:19:57.000 Well, Charlie, I think we, you know, and of course, you've done the yeoman's work on exposing colleges in terms of the general scam of colleges.

00:20:07.000 And so what we're really talking about here is a subset of.

00:20:11.000 the college scam.

00:20:12.000 So the college sports scam is really, you know, you could write a new chapter or even sort of like a sequel to your last book on this, because again, we've totally gotten away from colleges as an institution of learning, as a place where, again, people were supposed to go.

00:20:30.000 And not everybody, right?

00:20:31.000 Not everybody was going to college when these things originally started.

00:20:34.000 It was a very small subset of people.

00:20:36.000 Most people graduated school and went right into the workforce if they went to school at all or had any of this.

00:20:41.000 But it's become so much of a credentialing factory, a diploma mill, if you will, in terms of this.

00:20:47.000 And so now, by and large, the same way that you see these endowments, the same way you see these universities being run as essentially hedge funds with an academics department, you're seeing these sports departments and in many cases, it's football.

00:21:02.000 It's generally football that leads it.

00:21:02.000 It's not always football.

00:21:04.000 This has become not just the driver of the institution, but actually its own enterprise unto itself.

00:21:11.000 And again, the university and all of it, it's just there for show or there, by the way, for them to justify more federal funding that they're able to receive for their giant new center, their giant new set, whatever it is.

00:21:25.000 We've completely lost sight of what the purpose of college or university should be.

00:21:31.000 And by the way, I say that as a guy who I didn't go there, but my dad, most people in my family went to Penn State.

00:21:37.000 We're big, actually, Pacific's are a huge Penn State family.

00:21:40.000 We are the Nitty Lions, all of that.

00:21:44.000 And, you know, I didn't go myself because I didn't want to live in the same college.

00:21:47.000 But the idea is that these universities have become basically a world unto themselves, a money machine unto themselves.

00:21:55.000 And we're seeing it, Charlie.

00:21:56.000 It's become this massive influx and flow of money to the enemies of the Republic, to the enemies of patriots, to the enemies, in this case, of civilization.

00:22:07.000 And so when I see something like this going on, you know, my first thought is, why do we allow these people to be nonprofits?

00:22:13.000 To go back to what Tyler is saying, why do we allow them to have nonprofit status at all?

00:22:16.000 Why do we give them IRS breaks when they're taking in this much money?

00:22:19.000 Why do we allow these things to operate with federal funds in many cases at public institutions?

00:22:25.000 We should obviously be cracking up this entire system, opening the books, figuring out if they owe taxes, make them pay taxes on all of these things. 0.53

00:22:34.000 And when it comes down to the student debt crisis, I'm not really much of a conservatarian on it.

00:22:39.000 I'm not really a boomer con on this.

00:22:41.000 Take the money from the universities that have it.

00:22:43.000 Use that to pay off the debt.

00:22:44.000 I really don't care.

00:22:45.000 Yeah, Blake.

00:22:47.000 Oh, I was just, there was a comment.

00:22:48.000 I want to respond to a comment in the chat, Elonzo Musk, where he says, there are many things corrupting colleges and sports is low on the list.

00:22:56.000 I don't know if I agree that it's low on the list.

00:22:58.000 The amount of money that we're talking about here is pretty substantial, but I do agree there are a lot of things that are corrupting it.

00:23:04.000 We just had an article shared in our show chat that points out, you know, Qatar has funneled tons of money into U.S. universities.

00:23:11.000 We know Saudi Arabia has funneled a lot of money in.

00:23:14.000 The Chinese Communist Party has funneled money in.

00:23:16.000 And then never mind the sheer number of just normal people of bizarre ideological stripes who put money in our universities and enable all sorts of absolute insanity in them.

00:23:27.000 And I think all of that is true.

00:23:29.000 And I think, but I do think sports, because it is so high profile and because so many people watch it and engage with it and are really aware of what happens.

00:23:39.000 And we're going to get these long articles about it in the New York Times.

00:23:42.000 It's maybe a useful way for us to think about our country's relationship with our higher education institutions.

00:23:48.000 Well, yeah, and this is an important point.

00:23:49.000 So, you know who the biggest fans of kind of the popularity of college football is?

00:23:55.000 Are the people that want the institutions to remain woke?

00:23:59.000 Hear me out.

00:24:00.000 One of the things that stop major donors from completely detaching from these universities is a successful college football program.

00:24:09.000 Exactly.

00:24:09.000 Let's just take one school, for example, University of Alabama.

00:24:12.000 They are totally captured.

00:24:13.000 DEI, woke, all that stuff.

00:24:16.000 But that football culture is so strong, they're going to keep on raising money.

00:24:19.000 They're going to keep on having a money flow.

00:24:21.000 And so, what we're looking at actually is one of the reasons we have not been able to get the rallying cry from conservative America to stop giving money or at least stopping sending kids or stop supporting is because they want to keep on cheering on their favorite college football people.

00:24:36.000 And I'm guilty of this too.

00:24:37.000 It's a huge, it is a form of, it is, it's weaponizing your emotional attachments against you.

00:24:43.000 And I think in other contexts, we're much more aware of them doing that.

00:24:48.000 People have noticed this when they make, you know, woke versions of Star Wars or Lord of the Rings or something, that they're trying to take something you care about and use it to hurt you or propagandize you and so forth.

00:24:59.000 And with college, we're seeing this, you know, one once removed.

00:25:03.000 So the product itself is not intolerably woke, but it is being used to keep you attached and serving this system that is enormously politicized, is enormously damaging to everything you care about that isn't college sports.

00:25:18.000 Now, maybe that's not saying a lot because at the rate they're spending money on some of these things, it seems there are people who only care about college sports.

00:25:27.000 So this is a good transition, though, also to the Jewish donors that are starting to divest their funds from higher education.

00:25:27.000 Yes.

00:25:35.000 This seems to start to have a lot of momentum.

00:25:37.000 Today, Leon Cooperman, legend, billionaire, investor, basically went on Fox Business.

00:25:42.000 Do we have that clip? 1.00

00:25:43.000 He swore and he's like, these kids are morons. 1.00

00:25:45.000 I've given $50 million. 1.00

00:25:47.000 I'm no longer going to be supporting Columbia.

00:25:49.000 You see this with Bill Ackman with Harvard.

00:25:52.000 You see this with Ken Griffin with Harvard, the Huntsman, with Penn.

00:25:56.000 Tyler, these universities are actually far more fickle and fragile financially than people realize.

00:26:01.000 You sat on the board of regents here in Arizona.

00:26:04.000 You know, there is this, there's this belief that they're sitting on billions of dollars, but a lot of it is land and immovable assets and things they can't liquidate.

00:26:13.000 Tyler, talk about how financially fragile these universities actually are and how college sports is a major part of it.

00:26:20.000 Well, you just brought up John Huntsman's no conservative, right?

00:26:24.000 No, he's a left-winger LARPing as a Republican.

00:26:26.000 We're talking about like moderates now are starting to pull their money.

00:26:29.000 And now this has happened in the background, by the way.

00:26:32.000 A lot of the academic enterprise, you know, that's happening in all these different states is now going, holy crap, like all these moderates that we thought, these rhinos that we thought were our friends are now pulling back money.

00:26:44.000 There's serious talk the president of Penn might have to resign over what their donors are saying.

00:26:48.000 Because like Charlie just said, the only most of these assets are not liquid.

00:26:54.000 This is what's important.

00:26:55.000 So for example, like Harvard has a $45 billion endowment, sort of.

00:26:59.000 Sort of.

00:26:59.000 They have, and not to mention, it's all wrapped up in land.

00:27:03.000 It's all a lot of buildings.

00:27:05.000 It's all 10-year investments.

00:27:08.000 Bonding projects, all this stuff.

00:27:10.000 So you have those three things on top of it.

00:27:12.000 And then all the money that they have access to is controlled by a large board.

00:27:18.000 Not to mention, there's also, no one ever talks about this.

00:27:20.000 There's an invisible hand that's almost every university that sometimes controls the board of trustees or regents that they have to work through, which is usually staffed.

00:27:28.000 It's usually like a deep state.

00:27:29.000 It's like a deep state.

00:27:31.000 University of Arizona, you just brought up, hate that place.

00:27:33.000 It belongs to Mexico.

00:27:36.000 It should be the University of North Mexico.

00:27:37.000 Honestly, the country would be a better.

00:27:39.000 It would be honestly such a better.

00:27:40.000 Tima County was in Mexico.

00:27:42.000 Great country.

00:27:43.000 Yeah, we would win Arizona by 10 points.

00:27:45.000 By a lot.

00:27:46.000 Yeah.

00:27:46.000 And not to mention all the craziness happening.

00:27:49.000 That's a future episode of Swing State Update.

00:27:52.000 But I will tell you this right now.

00:27:54.000 The only money that they do have liquid is in their foundations.

00:27:57.000 And there's not that much capital there, though.

00:27:59.000 No, because it's hard to raise C3 money.

00:28:01.000 But I mean, look, AAC, you brought up ASU.

00:28:04.000 The number one foundation that exists in Arizona, or maybe it's not number one, but it's really close, is AAC's foundation.

00:28:11.000 They're sitting on hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:28:14.000 They raise $150 million a year, $200 million a year.

00:28:19.000 A lot of corporate money, right?

00:28:20.000 Well, they've pushed all that money.

00:28:21.000 So the thing that you just brought up is they've said, hey, stop giving to the university.

00:28:26.000 You should start giving to the foundation.

00:28:27.000 Why?

00:28:28.000 Because now the university president can pay him and all his friends like six, seven-figure salaries.

00:28:33.000 You know, Bernovich was the one that actually started to expose this to his credit.

00:28:38.000 And, you know, he got attacked big time.

00:28:41.000 So, so, Jack, you're, you're a Philadelphia guy, as we could tell by your hat.

00:28:45.000 You better still be wearing that hat, Jack.

00:28:48.000 Do you mean this one?

00:28:49.000 This hat right here.

00:28:49.000 Yeah.

00:28:51.000 I forgot it was even there.

00:28:52.000 Yeah, Jack in there.

00:28:53.000 So, so, Jack, UPenn is kind of the center of this.

00:28:56.000 Let me just kind of go through this.

00:28:56.000 And Blake mentioned this.

00:28:58.000 Wharton mega donor and billionaire Mark Rowan has stopped giving and publicly calling on all large donors to close their checkbooks.

00:29:03.000 Mark Rowan, by the way, is a conservative Jewish donor.

00:29:06.000 He gives money to the NRSC and he said he's done.

00:29:09.000 Utah billionaire John Huntsman has stopped giving to UPenn.

00:29:12.000 David Magerman, who has helped build Renaissance Technologies, which is the Mercer family.

00:29:18.000 Yeah, Renaissance Technologies was Mercer and Simmons or something like that.

00:29:22.000 With Mercer.

00:29:23.000 No, but you know, the building at Wharton is named literally Huntsman.

00:29:27.000 No, and they're done.

00:29:28.000 That's what's amazing.

00:29:30.000 Jonathan Jacobson.

00:29:32.000 Yeah, of course.

00:29:33.000 High Saged Ventures, who has given tens of millions to UPEN is closed checkbook.

00:29:36.000 So, Jack, you spent a lot of time in Philadelphia.

00:29:39.000 University of Pennsylvania is kind of the ivory tower of Ivory Tower of like the intelligentsia of Philadelphia.

00:29:46.000 So do we have any, and I'm going to ask Blake this question because he went to the Ivy League school.

00:29:50.000 So we have to ask him, but I'll get to him second because we need affirmative action against Ivy League people. 0.96

00:29:54.000 So let's Jack who should get the question first.

00:29:58.000 Is this real or is this bluster?

00:29:59.000 Is there going to be, do you think that these rich guys will eventually have a bunch of meetings and dinners and eventually be kind of like, oh, it's not that bad.

00:30:07.000 And we made some reforms.

00:30:09.000 Are we actually seeing what we've been calling for, which is a starting of a conscious of the rich, like better elites?

00:30:17.000 We have been asking for rich people to start to act to act ethically, not to get rid of rich people, just have rich people that care about the nation care about their giving.

00:30:26.000 Jack, is this the beginning of a promising trend?

00:30:30.000 Yeah, I mean, Charlie, when you're talking about when you put the name Huntsman out there, that really, that really shocked me because I, you know, people know Abby Huntsman from her work on TV.

00:30:40.000 Don't need to get into all that right now.

00:30:42.000 People know who she is.

00:30:42.000 They were father being the governor of Utah.

00:30:44.000 But Huntsman Sr., this was the guy who invented like the styrofoam that make egg cartons.

00:30:52.000 He invented the, remember the Big Mac clam, you know, the clam, the Big Macs?

00:30:56.000 He invented that.

00:30:57.000 Okay.

00:30:57.000 A lot of the plastic that you have in disposable silverware for these type of things, that was all Huntsman Sr. Huntsman Chemicals.

00:31:05.000 So the amount of money we are talking about here is serious, just world-level generational wealth that Huntsman's have.

00:31:13.000 And so the idea that they're going to be pulling out, I guess I'll believe it when I see it, Charlie.

00:31:20.000 That's why we need, you know, what we really need is some type of watchdog organization to keep an eye on these donors, particularly when it comes to campus.

00:31:32.000 If only there was a professor list that was updated in real time.

00:31:38.000 We could call it like a professor watch list and we could actually list the names.

00:31:42.000 I will say, Tyler, you've been around for almost eight years now, right?

00:31:45.000 It's eight years, I think, right?

00:31:46.000 What?

00:31:47.000 Is it 90?

00:31:48.000 Tyler's older than eight.

00:31:49.000 And I think January is your nine-year anniversary, right?

00:31:51.000 Of being born.

00:31:52.000 24?

00:31:53.000 15?

00:31:54.000 Yeah.

00:31:55.000 Nine years.

00:31:56.000 The professor watch list will go down as still one of the greatest things you've ever done.

00:31:58.000 Period.

00:32:00.000 It's one of the biggest spikes that we've ever had.

00:32:03.000 It's one of the coolest things we've ever done.

00:32:04.000 So, so, Blake, you went to an Ivy League school.

00:32:06.000 You're super smart, you know, high IQ, Dartmouth.

00:32:09.000 You know high society kind of psychology really well.

00:32:12.000 I'm not even being, I'm not being sarcastic.

00:32:15.000 Is this real or is this bluster?

00:32:17.000 What I will want to see is rich people can have their obsessions and be very focused on things.

00:32:24.000 And right now, it is driven by a news event with a very narrow application to it, which is these schools are having radical anti-Israel groups that frequently just cross the line into overt anti-Semitism. 0.98

00:32:38.000 And the narrow version of this would be they try to plake either, well, one, they forget about it, or two, they placate them by essentially cracking down on this narrow set of groups, which is, you know, students for justice in Palestine, you get the heave-ho, you guys suck. 0.50

00:32:53.000 And that would be a huge missed opportunity, I think, if that's the outcome that we get.

00:32:59.000 And the other risk I would see is if we see conservative-leaning donors, instead of us dragging them away from enabling all this hateful rhetoric, we just end up dragging ourselves into it's okay to do lots of censorship and we'll be okay with censoring conservatives as long as we also censor some left-wing groups that criticize Israel or whatever group you have.

00:33:22.000 And I'm not sure what the right outcome is going to be, but I've been, I didn't like how in Florida, Ron DeSantis just issued an executive order, I believe, or someone in his government did, that just said, we're unilaterally derecognizing.

00:33:35.000 All of our colleges are ordered to derecognize the following pro-Palestine groups.

00:33:39.000 And I don't like it because one, they're going to lose in court.

00:33:42.000 And two, they're really, they are damaging the fact that we are pro-free speech.

00:33:48.000 And I would rather, instead of just having this turn into a bad for free speech thing, it turns into a don't give infinite money to universities for whatever they want.

00:33:56.000 Yeah, so this is important.

00:33:57.000 Let's just, so this is, so Florida orders, mostly it's Ron DeSantis, state universities to disband pro-Palestinian student group saying it backs Hamas.

00:34:09.000 So sorry to interrupt you, Blake, but just everyone's hands.

00:34:12.000 This is a student group that I've gone up against.

00:34:14.000 So is Tyler.

00:34:14.000 It's called Students for Justice of Palestine.

00:34:16.000 They're nearly ubiquitous.

00:34:18.000 In some ways, they're the Arab Muslim Turning Point USA.

00:34:21.000 They're scrappy.

00:34:22.000 Would you say that's fair, Tyler?

00:34:23.000 They're activists, not as well.

00:34:25.000 Actually, they might be as well funded because they get Muslim brothers. 0.82

00:34:27.000 They do get full.

00:34:28.000 So Blake, just to play devil's advocate, though, they get Muslim Brotherhood money. 0.92

00:34:32.000 They get suspicious capital flows from the Middle East.

00:34:35.000 That's proven.

00:34:37.000 Why should we allow that on campuses? 0.68

00:34:39.000 By the way, I tend to agree with you, Blake, but I'm just playing devil's advocate.

00:34:42.000 Why would we allow student groups that receive money from legit terror organizations on our university campuses?

00:34:49.000 If they're getting illegal money, I would say go after the illegal money.

00:34:53.000 They directly aren't, but the national organization is, right?

00:34:56.000 And they spread it out as you.

00:34:59.000 Well, I, again, I'm a bit of an absolutist on speech, so I don't like the idea of anyone just getting shut down for that reason.

00:35:05.000 And that is unfortunately the reason that Santis, that the Florida government was giving, which is they, by speaking in support of what Hamas did, are giving support to them.

00:35:15.000 And that's a standard we definitely do not want to prevail because what is the argument of every single bad left-wing initiative that we are attacking?

00:35:23.000 Yeah, that we are intimidating people.

00:35:26.000 We are threatening them with our political advocacy.

00:35:29.000 Trump caused the insurrection because he said that we're going to fight.

00:35:32.000 We do not want that to become the norm because if that is the rule, it is a rule that will be used against us far more than it will be used against anyone on the left.

00:35:40.000 And I just personally believe it's immoral for its own sake.

00:35:43.000 So, Tyler, do you think I see it both ways, honestly?

00:35:46.000 So, are I mean, some of the language that these kids use, this is not like advocacy at times. 0.99

00:35:50.000 This is legit Jew hatred and like, I want to kill my opponent. 1.00

00:35:54.000 It's not about speech, though, to me. 0.99

00:35:55.000 It's about, like you said, Charlie, funding.

00:35:58.000 So, it's not about speech, right? 0.93

00:36:00.000 I think you should be, I agree, you should be, if you're an American on an American university campus, say whatever dumb thing that you want, right? 0.95

00:36:09.000 And that's fine.

00:36:10.000 But if you're an organization that's coming onto the campus that's funded from an outside group, it's just like it's like the Saudis buying our land in Arizona.

00:36:18.000 It's like Saudis buying up farmland. 0.78

00:36:20.000 It's like the Chinese buying up houses, right? 0.97

00:36:23.000 And land.

00:36:24.000 I don't think that that should happen.

00:36:25.000 And so I think that there is such thing as ideological real estate at our universities that we should fund and allow.

00:36:34.000 And it's the same way.

00:36:35.000 It's like we shouldn't allow them to be able to purchase that.

00:36:37.000 So I think what we want here is you want the direction to not be, you have these groups on campus and must ban them.

00:36:44.000 I would like the focus to be: here's all these professors whose chairs you endowed.

00:36:50.000 We have these endowed chairs, and these professors are lunatics who endorse all of this.

00:36:54.000 I think we can object to having professors who produce no useful scholarship in most cases.

00:37:00.000 They literally have grievance-related positions in ethnic studies.

00:37:05.000 They'll have Middle Eastern studies.

00:37:07.000 It'll just be a total sham field.

00:37:09.000 And then they do full-time politics.

00:37:10.000 That's what Russell Rickford does, the guy at Cornell who was saying, you know, I was so excited when I saw, you know, a tingle went down my leg when I saw the scalped babies.

00:37:19.000 Like, that guy just has a joke job.

00:37:21.000 So get rid of his joke job.

00:37:23.000 So shouldn't.

00:37:23.000 But that does happen with free speech, though.

00:37:26.000 Like what Charlie, like with that, that's with like the professor watch list.

00:37:29.000 Like you can expose that.

00:37:31.000 And I mean, here's the to strongman Blake's argument, then I'm going to play double's advocate and throw it to Jack.

00:37:36.000 I could see Governor Gavin Newsom signing an order saying Turning Point USA is a terror organization and is not allowed on university campuses in California.

00:37:46.000 That is a relarge? 0.97

00:37:47.000 I mean, I could see it.

00:37:48.000 Great.

00:37:48.000 That would help more people, conservatives, leave California and go to states that we need to do.

00:37:53.000 But you understand the point.

00:37:53.000 It's like we have a great California network.

00:37:55.000 Some of our best students are California, right?

00:37:57.000 Yeah.

00:37:57.000 Same in New York.

00:37:58.000 So, but Jack, Jack, you're the terrorist Fengali. 0.95

00:38:02.000 You understand this stuff.

00:38:03.000 So forget your opinions of Ron DeSantis.

00:38:08.000 Put that aside.

00:38:09.000 Let's just say Governor A, you know, does this.

00:38:09.000 Okay.

00:38:12.000 Okay.

00:38:13.000 Is Ron, is this the right move to say that students for justice of Palestine should not be allowed on campus?

00:38:19.000 And then talk further, Jack.

00:38:20.000 Are you in favor of creating a blacklist for these 31 student organizers at Harvard that came out in support of the Hamas attack?

00:38:29.000 Well, see, and I will actually kind of respond to, I'll just say what I said to the DeSantis administration on Twitter when they did this.

00:38:36.000 I said, okay, that's fine, but are you going to include all of the Black Lives Matter chapters that are now coming out and praising Hamas?

00:38:45.000 Will you include all Black Lives Matter chapters that exist anywhere in the state of Florida that are associated with any university that falls under public funding?

00:38:53.000 Right.

00:38:53.000 So again, Charlie, the issue that I have here is that there's these half measures that sort of go in a little bit, but don't go all the way.

00:39:01.000 So they're not actually taking the full scope.

00:39:04.000 Like if we're going to start banning leftists and banning leftist organizations, let's go all the way.

00:39:09.000 Let's actually go all the way and do it for real.

00:39:11.000 When it comes to the doxing truck and the blacklisting, I saw the latest headline on the doctor truck.

00:39:17.000 You guys know about the docking truck, right?

00:39:19.000 Do I have to explain that?

00:39:21.000 We've talked about that.

00:39:22.000 Build it out for our audience.

00:39:23.000 Yeah.

00:39:24.000 So the doxing truck, just in a, in a quick, you know, TLDR is this is the truck that is playing all the names and faces on a digital screen, basically a digital billboard on the side of a panel truck that's driving all the way around basically the Harvard campus and off campus with the names of every single student that signed on to this anti-Israel document, charter, whatever you want to call it.

00:39:50.000 And now it's gotten to the point where every day, the truck is parking in front of one of the people's houses and actually broadcasting their name and face for everyone right in front of their house.

00:40:03.000 And I say, God bless them, face, face, face, continue this.

00:40:08.000 Make sure not just the students, but go after the teachers as well.

00:40:12.000 Anyone who went on with this, make sure that you put it out there and you put it everywhere for all to see.

00:40:18.000 Because remember, guys, it's not about canceling.

00:40:22.000 It's about accountability.

00:40:24.000 It's not about censorship.

00:40:26.000 It's about justice.

00:40:27.000 It's not about hate.

00:40:29.000 It's about the arc of morality and the moral justice of the universe.

00:40:34.000 Look, until we start embracing these tactics, the left is just going to continue to use them against us, to use them against our families, to use them against our friends.

00:40:43.000 Anytime you make one wrong move, and I'm sorry, but the cockservative response to just throw your hands up and say, no, no, that's not fair. 0.87

00:40:52.000 It's not going to work and it's never going to work.

00:40:55.000 You have to fight fire with fire at some point.

00:40:58.000 And I say, I love the docting truck.

00:41:00.000 I wish I knew how to donate to it.

00:41:02.000 So, I mean, I think that some American Jews are embracing that, right?

00:41:06.000 I think that there is such a certainly.

00:41:09.000 I think there's such a fresh memory to the horrors of the Holocaust that a lot of American Jews are like, you know what?

00:41:13.000 We have political power.

00:41:14.000 We kind of control a lot of these universities' institutions, at least through boards and donor connections.

00:41:20.000 It's time for them to feel a pain.

00:41:22.000 Do you agree with that, Blake?

00:41:23.000 I mean, you have come out against the blacklisting.

00:41:26.000 I can't remember.

00:41:27.000 I mean, I'm certainly sympathetic to blacklisting these specific people because they're really awful.

00:41:33.000 And it's been delicious to see some of them on Twitter.

00:41:35.000 And we can just drink, we can drag out their comments in 2017 where they're just, you know, where they're just praising every single cancellation ever.

00:41:42.000 And they're now, whoa, oh no, I just got in trouble because I said that Hamas scalping a baby was good. 0.96

00:41:51.000 I'm not going to lose much sleep over it.

00:41:53.000 I do, I mean, I'll be honest.

00:41:56.000 I thought, I think a lot of us did like when America was a country where you could say things and not have horrible stuff happen to you.

00:42:03.000 And if cancellation, if reciprocal cancellation takes us towards a reality where we don't need to cancel everyone, you know, over every opinion they have, I would consider that, you know, an unfortunate but necessary step.

00:42:15.000 But I don't like the idea that we just end up in this ideological terror zone where everyone is going around pulverizing everyone to smithereens because of opinions they had in college.

00:42:24.000 So just to be very clear, before the anti-defamation league tries to murder me in my sleep, what I was saying is that they'll probably try to murder you while you're awake.

00:42:31.000 Whatever.

00:42:32.000 So Jews have given billions at all these institutions and they're using what leverage they have to try and stop Jew hatred on these campuses.

00:42:40.000 Jack, your thoughts.

00:42:42.000 You say here in the chat, we've always had cancel culture.

00:42:44.000 You disagree with Blake.

00:42:45.000 Jack, explain.

00:42:46.000 Well, I mean, you can talk about supporting freedom of speech and you can talk about supporting the idea of freedom from the, I guess, law enforcement repercussions of speech in the country.

00:42:59.000 But I do think that we've always generally had cancel culture in what we would call the popular culture or the popular Mainstream society, for lack of a better term, because it's just been that in the past, it was basically pro-civilizational forces, pro-civilizational individuals who held the rungs of power, the reins of power.

00:43:23.000 And now it is anti-civilizational forces that hold on to the reins of power.

00:43:27.000 So, for example, people speaking out against price, people, you know, John Lennon's famous comments about, you know, about Jesus being bigger than Jesus, et cetera, that led to a lot of cancellation.

00:43:40.000 Now, it certainly didn't lead to legal repercussions or anything like that.

00:43:44.000 But I do think that moral cancellation has been part of not just America, but Western culture for a long time.

00:43:52.000 Blake, your response.

00:43:53.000 Well, it's always around.

00:43:54.000 It waxes and wanes.

00:43:56.000 And I think over time, it's waned a lot.

00:43:59.000 I think the stuff you would get canceled for believing 300 years ago was a wider range.

00:44:05.000 And what you would call cancellation could be a lot more severe.

00:44:07.000 You could be executed for it.

00:44:09.000 You have surges of this, and then you have periods where it backs off.

00:44:13.000 Most of us were young people in the 90s, early 2000s.

00:44:18.000 It was not that bad then.

00:44:19.000 It was kind of uncool to care too much about politics.

00:44:22.000 The idea of relentlessly digging into someone's past to find some random statement they made and then, oh, you don't get to host the Oscars anymore or appear in a movie or you're going to get fired from your job.

00:44:34.000 The idea that you would have the New York Times or some magazine do a profile on a person who's otherwise a totally normal individual who's not famous just to get them fired, which that was what peak cancel culture was, was Gawker would go and they would just say, here's all these kids who said the N-word on Twitter.

00:44:51.000 And we just contacted all of their colleges that admitted them.

00:44:53.000 And we got these people's admissions rescinded.

00:44:55.000 None of these people are celebrities.

00:44:57.000 None of them are actors.

00:44:57.000 None of them are influencers.

00:44:58.000 None of them are anything.

00:45:00.000 We just wanted to go mess them up.

00:45:02.000 And we've seen that happen to people.

00:45:04.000 And we're kind of having it happen with this.

00:45:07.000 And do I think what they said was really ugly?

00:45:09.000 And in this case, maybe it's merited because they're super unhinged. 0.95

00:45:12.000 And it's, you know, probably at least a little problematic if you're going to go work with a bunch of Jewish people in New York and you're on the record saying that every Jew should drink blood and their kids can be decapitated because they're settler colonists. 0.97

00:45:25.000 Understandable.

00:45:26.000 This is an extreme case.

00:45:28.000 But I don't like the concession or the attitude that's just, well, we're just in a war of one side against the other and you should just do whatever you want to the other side.

00:45:38.000 But given that we are in the war, Blake, don't you want to win?

00:45:40.000 I do want to win.

00:45:41.000 So then, I mean, we have to kind of check on.

00:45:43.000 I mean, I kind of agree with the high-mindedness that you're pursuing, but we are kind of in this nasty trench knife fight, aren't we?

00:45:51.000 For sure, for sure.

00:45:52.000 I wish there were tactics.

00:45:53.000 I think there are tactics we can do that we choose not to use for some reason.

00:45:58.000 And one of those things is just, okay, if you don't like what these colleges do or they have wacky professors, nuke that department.

00:46:04.000 Like before we decide cancel culture is great, why don't we go to the Arizona legislature and say, why does any publicly funded university in the state of Arizona have an ex-studies department?

00:46:13.000 It's gone.

00:46:13.000 All the professors fired.

00:46:15.000 None of them are allowed to work for any of our institutions again.

00:46:17.000 That's not cancel culture.

00:46:18.000 That's don't literally give money to people who hate you.

00:46:22.000 I mean, of course, you know, I agree with that.

00:46:24.000 I think what we're at, Tyler, you want to jump in here is that there's this kind of, we have nothing but bad options.

00:46:29.000 We just need to pick kind of the best.

00:46:31.000 I don't think any of us delight in quote unquote canceling somebody.

00:46:34.000 At the same time, I mean, like these people, you know, they're horrific.

00:46:38.000 They want us, they want to exert pain on us, right? 0.97

00:46:38.000 They want us dead. 0.97

00:46:41.000 They want it to suffer. 1.00

00:46:42.000 They are wretched individuals. 1.00

00:46:43.000 Yes, they are. 1.00

00:46:44.000 They're wretched. 0.98

00:46:45.000 And I don't lose sleep over making the people that have made a profession of delighting in our suffering all of a sudden have to fear that they might lose their job because they said something legitimately represents. 0.97

00:46:59.000 Not like a joke.

00:47:00.000 And the best argument, I think, is if this is what, you know, sort of mutual escalation can bring us to a peace deal that I would have.

00:47:08.000 No guarantee of it.

00:47:09.000 It might not.

00:47:10.000 It might not.

00:47:11.000 It might be a 200-year civil.

00:47:13.000 It is good for turnabout to come to quote Dante's divine comedy: you thirsted for blood, now drink your fill.

00:47:13.000 You are correct.

00:47:21.000 And that's where we are.

00:47:23.000 And so, again, I don't love it.

00:47:25.000 At the same time, we're left with really, we okay, so the real is really, I hate to be binary, but right, Tyler, there's two options: we do nothing and write out beds and say, it's wrong to cancel people while they're literally transiting our kids and firing us from every major power center and debanking us, debanking you, right?

00:47:41.000 Literally debanking us. 0.96

00:47:43.000 Or we say, man, war sucks. 0.99

00:47:46.000 Time to win. 0.99

00:47:46.000 Tyler, your thoughts. 0.99

00:47:48.000 Yeah, I mean, the way that I look at it is really simple.

00:47:50.000 It's like, it's like schoolyard stuff, right?

00:47:55.000 Which is like the only way that you get a bully to stop is if you like stand up to the bully and the bully is scared.

00:48:01.000 You could say this about it.

00:48:03.000 Yeah, but I mean, I'll just give you my small.

00:48:06.000 I mean, I don't have all the experience in the world, but having like being super involved, like party politics and how nasty, because I, I mean, I went toe-to-toe with John McCain and his people.

00:48:15.000 You also have a fun banking story.

00:48:16.000 And yeah, and a lot.

00:48:18.000 I mean, I've gone through these things.

00:48:20.000 The only thing that I've ever seen ever to work is for those people to know that you, number one, are unaffected by what they're doing to you.

00:48:30.000 Number one.

00:48:31.000 And number two, that's most important because Charlie remembers I had many phone calls with him.

00:48:36.000 I tried to lift you up nine years ago.

00:48:39.000 I was like, I'm just going to, I'm not going to do this.

00:48:40.000 I don't do this in my life.

00:48:42.000 And he's like, no, no, no, you do.

00:48:44.000 Like, stay in the fight.

00:48:45.000 It's going to be fine.

00:48:45.000 Like, nobody's, it's not going to matter.

00:48:47.000 And he was right.

00:48:48.000 But the second thing is to go back at them and be like, hey, you know what?

00:48:51.000 Just FYI.

00:48:52.000 You know, I have legitimate, you know, muscle efflex here on you.

00:48:58.000 That's political power.

00:48:59.000 That's knowledge.

00:49:00.000 That's knowing what's going on.

00:49:01.000 And when you do that, they get a little bit scared and they go, okay, I'm going to leave that person alone.

00:49:06.000 And they go figure out something else for a little bit.

00:49:09.000 Yeah.

00:49:09.000 And if you don't do that, and that's like the point, we just had something recently with that.

00:49:12.000 Yeah, there's, there's another element to this, which is that you must not allow them to tell you who to cancel.

00:49:18.000 It's very, very important, right?

00:49:19.000 Now, if someone has really done something that you feel reprehensible or that you feel violates your values or they were deceitful or they betrayed you, 100%, right?

00:49:29.000 But you do not have them set the standard for what you do.

00:49:33.000 Right.

00:49:33.000 I don't think that's a very important thing.

00:49:35.000 And I don't think our target has to be to cancel them.

00:49:37.000 It has to be to expose truth, which is that's the Achilles.

00:49:41.000 I think, I think cancel culture is an element of Alinsky tactics.

00:49:46.000 I think for us, it's like, hey, just what's more powerful and what's more righteous is to be like, hey, I'm just going to expose you.

00:49:54.000 I'm going to tell everybody exactly what you're doing.

00:49:56.000 They hate exposure.

00:49:57.000 And they hate the truth.

00:49:58.000 And that's the best yield for everyone because more people become educated.

00:50:02.000 More people know to defend themselves.

00:50:04.000 This is like the Trump model, right?

00:50:06.000 Which everybody, you're up against all the Alinsky model.

00:50:09.000 And Trump is like, I'm just going to tell everyone the truth and more people are going to listen.

00:50:12.000 And he won an election.

00:50:14.000 Jack, your contribution here?

00:50:17.000 Well, I just want to say we've got some really great comments coming in.

00:50:21.000 And you guys mind if I have real quick, just read a few, you know, show them out there.

00:50:27.000 Someone's here say, so DJ Mac, Wright Kirk, show the rule book.

00:50:32.000 The left goes by.

00:50:33.000 They make up the rules as they go along.

00:50:36.000 Alonzo Mozilla said that one.

00:50:38.000 Alonzo Moz had the one, never interrupt your opponent when they're making a mistake.

00:50:41.000 Franklin 779, anti-whites get fired, deported, and sent to prison.

00:50:46.000 How can we send them to prison after we deport them? 0.94

00:50:48.000 But we'll figure it out.

00:50:49.000 We're in prison.

00:50:51.000 The real WO, the golden rule, don't give money to people who hate you.

00:50:54.000 Troubleshooter one, no open check.

00:50:56.000 How many different ways you can say it?

00:51:00.000 Okay, we just pulled it up. 0.94

00:51:03.000 D59er, kick the bullies AZZ. 1.00

00:51:06.000 That's why we are in the shape we're in because the good people stood down.

00:51:10.000 Man K, always beware the left's tools, always beware using the left tools against them.

00:51:15.000 Unlike us, they also have a political power structure above to follow through on their cultural warfare.

00:51:21.000 I'm just going to say something because I don't know that we've mentioned it yet on the show tonight.

00:51:24.000 It bears repeating.

00:51:26.000 Owen Schroyer is behind bars right now.

00:51:29.000 That's what's going on currently in the United States.

00:51:31.000 He's in solitary confinement.

00:51:33.000 In solitary confinement.

00:51:35.000 He will be there all weekend because he's unvaccinated, we're told, and this is COVID protocol in Louisiana, the same state that our new speaker hails from.

00:51:43.000 Owen Schroyer, guy who does a talk show for a living, a guy who said, I don't even know if he can say said the words, but said the numbers, 1776, outside the Capitol, outside, not inside, outside the Capitol on January 6th.

00:51:58.000 Someone who he disrupted a congressional hearing by standing up and heckling at one point prior to then.

00:52:07.000 Again, all completely covered under the First Amendment activities.

00:52:11.000 He is currently behind bars in a federal corrections institution in Louisiana, the federal government in solitary confinement.

00:52:21.000 So I'll say to the guys who were saying, like, oh, never use the left tools, et cetera, et cetera.

00:52:27.000 Guys, understand the situation that we're in right now, current.

00:52:31.000 The leader of the Republican Party and the number one opposition candidate has been arrested four times and faces 91 different charges in various jurisdictions around the country.

00:52:41.000 Faces actual jail time.

00:52:43.000 You understand that?

00:52:44.000 There's also a guy saying that this judge saying that I'll throw this guy, Trump, this president, your opposition leader, behind bars if he talks too much publicly about the process that's going on.

00:52:57.000 Charlie, have there ever been any books that were written about this where they describe the process being the punishment itself?

00:53:03.000 I can't think of any.

00:53:04.000 Can you?

00:53:05.000 Say that again. 0.71

00:53:07.000 Oh, that talk about the political trials actually being the point, not so much the actual punishment.

00:53:15.000 Darkness at noon.

00:53:16.000 Darkness at noon with Mr. Rubichov by Arthur Kessler, one of the least oppressed books of the 20th century.

00:53:22.000 We wouldn't be having these conversations were we not in the situation that we're currently in.

00:53:27.000 So please don't, you know, understand the world that we're in right now.

00:53:32.000 Don't take things out of context.

00:53:33.000 This is not a vacuum.

00:53:34.000 There are actual people who are friends of ours, friends of everybody on this show that have been put that are behind bars right now, named Owen Schroer, for their speech, for their opinions.

00:53:46.000 And so everyone needs to understand this.

00:53:48.000 Everyone needs to understand this.

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00:55:19.000 Well, speaking of cancel culture, big news this week.

00:55:22.000 Dana White came on the program on the Charlie Kirk show, and we talked about Bud Light UFC and a surprise announcement of the UFC partnering with Bud Light.

00:55:32.000 Let's go to Cut 126.

00:55:34.000 I want to be with people that I'm aligned with.

00:55:36.000 It's not about money anymore for me.

00:55:38.000 It's about being with like-minded people, and everybody that comes into the UFC knows what this business is about.

00:55:49.000 It's and what I'm about, what I stand for.

00:55:52.000 This decision to go with Bud Light was based on anything but money.

00:55:59.000 Okay, and so Bud Light and UFC are doing a joint partnership and a branding deal.

00:56:03.000 Dana White came on for a full conversation on our podcast.

00:56:07.000 And, you know, I really like Dana.

00:56:08.000 I've gotten to know him.

00:56:09.000 He's an entrepreneur, patriot, and he's also had the president's back 100%.

00:56:15.000 But let's ask this question: Is there an opportunity ever, Jack?

00:56:20.000 Let's start with you, where we want to say, hey, you know, Bud Light screwed up with the Dylan Mulvaney thing.

00:56:26.000 They're a massive company.

00:56:27.000 Do we want them to just say, only sponsor left-wing stuff?

00:56:30.000 We never want it.

00:56:31.000 Or is there an argument to be made to say if they start to invest in organizations, sport leagues, and things that are more center-right, like UFC, that is moving in the right direction, and them admitting their mistake, aka message received.

00:56:44.000 Jack, how should we think about this?

00:56:47.000 Well, Charlie, I've been to UFC fights.

00:56:50.000 We were at that, we're actually at that fight in Vegas where McGregor broke his ankle.

00:56:57.000 And like, what, round?

00:56:58.000 Was that round three?

00:56:59.000 You know, we were there, the one where Trump came in and had the huge pop.

00:57:02.000 Mel Gibson was sitting like a couple of rows in front of us.

00:57:05.000 It was awesome.

00:57:05.000 Anything where Braveheart was in, was it interesting?

00:57:08.000 It was round one.

00:57:09.000 I think it was round one.

00:57:09.000 Was it round one?

00:57:10.000 Was it actually?

00:57:10.000 It may have been that early.

00:57:11.000 Now I think about it.

00:57:12.000 It was huge.

00:57:13.000 The one where Trump walked in, it was chanting USA.

00:57:16.000 But so I'll tell you, that was a huge, that was a huge crowd.

00:57:19.000 But Charlie, it's to your point, even though the organization UFC is more is more center-right, I think people need to understand that there's in their organization, in that audience, if you look at these sporting events like the WWE, like UFC, there are members of the audience, by the way, there that are gay, that are LGBT.

00:57:42.000 And so, you know, I think this is clearly a percentage that they're working into it.

00:57:47.000 But at the same time, obviously, UFC and Bud Blight seem to be moving far away from that at the same time.

00:57:54.000 So it's sort of like we did it, we bounced off.

00:57:57.000 And I'll be fair about this.

00:57:58.000 And I was fair about this when it came up at the time with even with the trans whatever thing that was done. 0.99

00:58:04.000 It wasn't like they did some kind of, and people will be like, oh, posters being a cock.

00:58:08.000 No, no, no, it's just facts, right?

00:58:09.000 It's just facts.

00:58:10.000 It wasn't like they did an ad campaign.

00:58:12.000 It was like one beer cozy.

00:58:14.000 It was literally one beer cozy.

00:58:16.000 So to your point, you know, am I going to take money for them?

00:58:19.000 No, I don't drink.

00:58:20.000 I don't do that.

00:58:21.000 Yeah.

00:58:23.000 You know, say again?

00:58:25.000 I'm constantly boycotting.

00:58:27.000 Boycotting what?

00:58:28.000 It's a joke, Jack.

00:58:29.000 We don't drink, so we're constantly boycotting.

00:58:32.000 I'm sorry.

00:58:32.000 No, no.

00:58:33.000 Some of us have comedic timing.

00:58:34.000 No, no, no.

00:58:35.000 I'm saying that you and I are in constant boycott.

00:58:37.000 You'll work on it, Charlie.

00:58:38.000 You'll get there.

00:58:38.000 Watch a little more Seinfeld.

00:58:40.000 And then one day, one day.

00:58:43.000 And then basically, basically, I think you're right.

00:58:46.000 I think it's a carrot and stick approach.

00:58:48.000 I think we need to have a carrot and stick approach with these large organizations.

00:58:51.000 We really do.

00:58:51.000 Yeah.

00:58:52.000 So, Blake, where do you fall on this?

00:58:55.000 First of all, someone called me Bud Light Blake in the comments.

00:58:57.000 And I don't think I've ever drank a Bud Light in my entire life.

00:59:00.000 And that even means more coming from me because I do drink sometimes, but not that.

00:59:05.000 He didn't.

00:59:06.000 You know, it was good enough for Christ.

00:59:08.000 It was good enough for me, I suppose.

00:59:09.000 He was lord of all.

00:59:11.000 Yes.

00:59:11.000 He gets privileges.

00:59:13.000 He was fully God and fully man.

00:59:15.000 And sometimes he drank wine for dinner.

00:59:18.000 But anyway, when you raise someone from the dead, you can have Merlot.

00:59:21.000 I mean, have you seen what alcohol can do to people?

00:59:24.000 That's all I'm saying.

00:59:25.000 Anyway, so with the Bud Light thing, I worry that the biggest asset of Bud Light is we might be getting too much into the specifics of, oh, have they redeemed themselves and so on?

00:59:37.000 We've gotten very excited because this is kind of the first big conservative boycott in recent history on mass scale.

00:59:44.000 To be big, to really stick, for them to try to fix it, for it to fail.

00:59:49.000 And I think some people were inclined to just think, oh, the right got better at doing boycotts and we can do the skin.

00:59:55.000 I don't know if that's entirely the case.

00:59:57.000 I think Bud Light was perfectly situated to be a strong boycott.

01:00:01.000 It's a thing that's sold everywhere.

01:00:04.000 It's really easy to pick an alternative because there's a million different brands of beer.

01:00:10.000 You don't really need it.

01:00:11.000 It's something you consume socially and publicly. 0.82

01:00:13.000 So it's really easy to enforce because you go to a party and someone's like, you're drinking the gay beer. 0.80

01:00:19.000 And that's become a thing.

01:00:21.000 It's a real thing.

01:00:21.000 That's a big factor behind why the boycott continues.

01:00:25.000 No one wants to be the guy who goes and buys it at a thing.

01:00:27.000 And so the point is, this was a successful boycott for specific reasons.

01:00:31.000 And I'm worried that if it basically, if it goes away, we're not going to be able to easily replicate it.

01:00:38.000 And it might be that the best way you get value out of the Bud Light boycott in terms of having companies not want to be woke, not wanting to do things that could damage them is you turn them into an example and you make Bud Light a smoldering crater where it's just everyone will think, everyone will go to business school and they'll get these case studies that say, you know, Bud Light did this thing.

01:00:59.000 They made Middle America angry and they took a billion dollar brand and it was wiped off the face. 0.96

01:01:04.000 Do you think that message has already been received?

01:01:07.000 It's strong, but I think it could always be stronger.

01:01:10.000 And I'm not going to fall at UFC here.

01:01:12.000 UFC's got to make money and it's a lot of money.

01:01:15.000 And I think maybe the ideal would be UFC made this deal, they get their money, and then it doesn't work.

01:01:20.000 And people still just don't buy Bud Light anyway because it's still a beer they don't like.

01:01:24.000 That might be the ideal outcome from this.

01:01:27.000 Just to follow up on our last topic, though, isn't that an example of cancel culture having positive effects?

01:01:35.000 Well, I don't want to equate cancel culture on a product that you choose to buy for any number of reasons, especially with beer where it's all weighted with aesthetic and ideological.

01:01:47.000 It's commoditized.

01:01:48.000 Sure, Bud Cottage is not canceling.

01:01:49.000 And yet people, it's not.

01:01:51.000 It's not the same thing.

01:01:52.000 And it's the difference between commercial ramifications for a large conglomerate and the individual ramifications for one person's life, and especially one person's life in something that's often unrelated to their ability to work in any other field.

01:02:08.000 Whereas this is what Bud Light chose to do as a beer to market itself.

01:02:13.000 It's just, it is not, I think it abuses the term cancel culture to say that people deciding they don't want to drink Bud Light because it's the gay beer now is cancel culture.

01:02:23.000 It's a much more traditional alienation of your customers.

01:02:26.000 Let me ask the question just more broadly.

01:02:28.000 Okay.

01:02:29.000 So Tyler or Jack, let's just take Bud Light out of this.

01:02:33.000 We need some rules, I think, right?

01:02:35.000 We need some rules of do we ever allow a company to redeem themselves to come back into the movement if they want to spend money on the right stuff?

01:02:45.000 Or no, do we say, absolutely not?

01:02:47.000 We're not going to let that.

01:02:48.000 Because I think there is a big difference here, okay?

01:02:51.000 Bud Light, you know, did the can, whatever.

01:02:56.000 Their response was poor.

01:02:57.000 Let's be honest, right?

01:02:58.000 It was like they thought they could get away with it.

01:03:00.000 They thought the new cycle would pass.

01:03:01.000 That is different than Northface or whatever, Patagonia, literally just running like gay ads and like owning it and doubling and tripling down. 0.99

01:03:11.000 Right.

01:03:12.000 So, but I'm just wondering, what should the criteria, Tyler, be?

01:03:15.000 Do we just say, you know what?

01:03:15.000 No, we're not going to do it.

01:03:17.000 You're not allowed back into the club.

01:03:20.000 But honestly, it's a question we have to have because what I think conservative America is grappling with, both in the speakers race here is like, wait, what do we do with this power that we know?

01:03:30.000 Because we have a lot of it, more than I think we ever realized.

01:03:33.000 I think that people look at this.

01:03:36.000 I think it's like a social thing.

01:03:37.000 I think it's not dissimilar from like what Ron DeSantis is going through right now.

01:03:41.000 And also women who change their hair color drastically and then change it back almost immediately afterwards. 0.99

01:03:48.000 Because this happens.

01:03:49.000 Also like Ron DeSantis.

01:03:50.000 Also like Ron DeSantis.

01:03:52.000 Is that I think what happens, it's more like watching a train, you know, collision or like a train derailment or like you can't take your eyes off it, like a bad accident.

01:04:04.000 And people are going to be intrigued and watching like what they do with UFC, but it's like, if it doesn't come off organic and natural and like sane, then it's not going to do anything for them.

01:04:16.000 And people are actually going to be more disgusted by it in the same way as like if like somebody goes crazy and they color their hair, they're like a blonde person, they've color hair, you know, dark, and then all of a sudden they, I don't know, this is a very specific like example.

01:04:30.000 Speaking from anything, they try to bleach their hair back and then all their hair falls out and everyone's just like watching the whole time.

01:04:36.000 Like, what is that person going through?

01:04:39.000 I'm not going to say gender, but like, what is that person going through?

01:04:42.000 And like, it's the same thing with like this and like with Ron DeSantis's like, or political candidates in general, like you'll see them like, go all in.

01:04:49.000 And then they try to like make up for it.

01:04:50.000 And then by that point, people are just watching and then they're like, this is so not organic or natural.

01:04:56.000 I'm watching and I'm intrigued because it's a freak show, but like, I'm not going to actually subscribe to that.

01:05:01.000 And I think that's what's going to happen with it.

01:05:02.000 It's a momentum-based equation, I think.

01:05:04.000 Bud Light was so big, it was almost unkillable until they screwed it up so bad.

01:05:09.000 And now it's almost impossible to undo.

01:05:11.000 I think if it was a smaller brand, people would be more willing to forgive it because it might be one guy who runs everything.

01:05:18.000 He writes a letter.

01:05:19.000 People identify with that a little bit more.

01:05:22.000 And you turn it around.

01:05:24.000 But Bud Light is obviously a giant corporate thing.

01:05:27.000 But let's be honest, UFC is a right-wing thing.

01:05:29.000 It is.

01:05:30.000 For sure.

01:05:30.000 Right.

01:05:31.000 I mean, it's a right-wing thing.

01:05:32.000 You're not agreeing?

01:05:33.000 No, I agree with you.

01:05:34.000 I just don't think it has anything to do with UFC.

01:05:37.000 I think it's more like UFC is just like...

01:05:39.000 It has eyeballs.

01:05:40.000 Yeah, they'll take anybody's money. 0.82

01:05:43.000 Okay.

01:05:44.000 For the most part.

01:05:45.000 I don't think this impacts UFC at all.

01:05:47.000 What I'm saying, though, is that some companies wouldn't partner with UFC.

01:05:51.000 Some companies wouldn't partner.

01:05:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:05:53.000 Obviously, Bud Light's trying to fake it.

01:05:55.000 I don't know that UFC is not right-wing on par with, I don't know, maybe a gun manufacturer or something.

01:06:02.000 Pretty close.

01:06:03.000 Well, look, I mean, here, here, they have Trump come, you know, Rogan, all that stuff. 0.93

01:06:07.000 It's also ridiculously bloody and all that stuff.

01:06:09.000 But I mean, Dana is super outspokenly trauma, MAGA, conservative, you know, defied the COVID stuff, you know, anti-cancer culture, all that.

01:06:18.000 Jack, do you see what I'm getting at here?

01:06:20.000 Which is, again, I'm not even sure I know the answer, but you know, Anheuser-Busch is a blue chip company.

01:06:27.000 I don't like the argument.

01:06:28.000 People say, oh, it's an old American company.

01:06:29.000 Like, okay, that's they're owned by a Belgian company.

01:06:31.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:06:32.000 Exactly.

01:06:32.000 Okay.

01:06:33.000 But, but the argument that I say, okay, I think that we as conservatives need to reassess what do we do with power?

01:06:40.000 Corporate power, government power, right?

01:06:43.000 What do we do with power?

01:06:43.000 We don't know, actually.

01:06:44.000 That's why we're debating it all hour.

01:06:46.000 Do we cancel people?

01:06:47.000 Do we blacklist them?

01:06:48.000 Do we kick SJP off campus?

01:06:52.000 We don't know.

01:06:53.000 So I'm guessing like from this, what do we do?

01:06:55.000 Because in some ways, Anheuser-Busch is acknowledging that they are controlled by the American right.

01:07:03.000 Well, Charlie, what we need to do is we have to remember a couple of things.

01:07:08.000 I'm not going to do the whole like first principles spiel, but we are the side that loves innovation.

01:07:13.000 We are the side that loves freedom.

01:07:15.000 We are the side that loves actual creation and entrepreneurship, right?

01:07:20.000 We do actually support those things on this side, right?

01:07:23.000 I know that we have a lot of other fights that we have to do on a regular basis, but those are the things that we support.

01:07:27.000 And so, we want to set up a system whereby in those, I say the ability to achieve greatness is protected.

01:07:37.000 And so, that means boundaries.

01:07:39.000 Okay.

01:07:39.000 That means setting boundaries on our country.

01:07:42.000 That means setting boundaries on our military, on every institution that we can possibly get in control of.

01:07:48.000 And because these same institutions, whether it be a company like Bud, whether it be a place like the military, we were talking about the universities in the last segment, have been taken over by these radicals who hate excellence, who hate greatness, who don't want achievement.

01:08:05.000 They want to force their radical programs on everybody else.

01:08:10.000 Our goal should be, number one, destroying those programs, but number two, making sure that when someone does return to the normal parameters that have been set up, and by the way, the same parameters that have given this country so much wealth and power and status and greatness over the years, then they should be supported.

01:08:32.000 So, once you get back on track, we're good.

01:08:34.000 Okay, that's what we want.

01:08:36.000 We want to shut down that kind of stuff.

01:08:38.000 Like, for example, I would love if NASA went back to the space shuttle program and putting men on the moon and putting people in space and having literally remember the right stuff and the best man for the job.

01:08:49.000 No, I'm sorry, hidden figures, right?

01:08:52.000 It's not the hidden figures, it's Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong.

01:08:58.000 Those are the ones who matter the most.

01:09:00.000 You know why?

01:09:01.000 Because they're the ones who did it with less technology than you would find in like a TI-83 calculator in your pocket when they went to the moon.

01:09:10.000 That's the pinnacle of American greatness, is the moon landing.

01:09:13.000 That's the country that we need to be again.

01:09:14.000 And whatever institution gets us there should be the ones that we support.

01:09:21.000 Blake, I'm distracted.

01:09:24.000 We have a guy in chat who's like, who's trolling me non-stop?

01:09:27.000 So he keeps calling me Bud Light Play.

01:09:29.000 I'm going to have to get me on my alt.

01:09:32.000 Oh, oh, man.

01:09:33.000 This is a betrayal.

01:09:35.000 This might be the worst betrayal to ever happen to anyone in human history.

01:09:40.000 Worst anime betrayals.

01:09:42.000 Worst anime betrayal.

01:09:44.000 This is worse than Judas.

01:09:45.000 Do we want to get to the deep web reveal?

01:09:48.000 Ooh, do we have the stuff ready for the deep web reveal?

01:09:50.000 I think we do.

01:09:50.000 Wait, I don't have it.

01:09:51.000 I don't have it set up.

01:09:52.000 Wait, go ahead.

01:09:53.000 I'll get it.

01:09:54.000 I'm going to get it.

01:09:55.000 So the deep web reveal for this week is very relevant because we just did the worst betrayals of all time.

01:10:00.000 And so there's a lot of translations of the Bible out there.

01:10:04.000 And it used to be you were limited to what you could maybe find at your Christian bookstore.

01:10:07.000 I thought this was a troll when you went through it.

01:10:09.000 But now we have the internet, and the Bible is a public domain book.

01:10:12.000 So basically, every translation of it is out there.

01:10:14.000 Christians like to spread the good news.

01:10:16.000 We like to spread the good news everywhere.

01:10:17.000 We've translated the Bible into Japanese.

01:10:20.000 We've translated the Bible into French.

01:10:21.000 We've translated the Bible into strange Amazonian dialects that have clicking sounds in them.

01:10:26.000 And one of the languages that we have translated the Bible into is called Hawaiian Pidgin.

01:10:32.000 It is the sort of gobbledygook version of English that you get if you are in Hawaii.

01:10:39.000 And the special thing is, is that the Hawaiian version of the Hawaiian pigeon version of the New Testament is called, I'm not making this up, Da Jesus book.

01:10:52.000 De Jesus book.

01:10:54.000 Can I tell the story of how this who which one of us found this?

01:10:56.000 Was it was I the one who found this?

01:10:58.000 I think originally, I think, yeah, I saw it just somewhere in my in my travels in in the in the deep, dark recesses of the internet.

01:11:06.000 So I found this the other night, and I don't even know what we were doing.

01:11:09.000 And I sent it in the chat as a sort of hey, maybe something to talk about on thought crime this week.

01:11:14.000 And Charlie totally thought I was trolling.

01:11:16.000 No, I thought he was.

01:11:18.000 He's like, that's not real.

01:11:19.000 That's a meme that no one would ever actually make a Bible and call it the Jesus book.

01:11:25.000 And then I, and then we found, there it is.

01:11:28.000 There it is.

01:11:29.000 And so I don't know if we have the shot of this, but if you go to Bible.com or Bible Hub or Bible Gateway, like you know, those websites where they're pretty popular where you can, you can go through different translations, different versions of the Bible.

01:11:43.000 Just scroll down on one of those and you'll see it right there: Hawaii Pigeon.

01:11:48.000 And I'll just read a little bit from now.

01:11:52.000 Normally, for example, you might hear, you might hear of something called, well, Charlie, let's go, you know, let's keep it surface level for folks.

01:12:00.000 We all know you've got the thing memorized front to back, but let's keep it surface level.

01:12:03.000 I don't ask.

01:12:05.000 What is the book?

01:12:06.000 Oh, no, that's Erica.

01:12:07.000 What is the name of.

01:12:09.000 I know, right?

01:12:10.000 What is the name of the first book of the Bible?

01:12:12.000 First book of the Bible.

01:12:13.000 Genesis.

01:12:14.000 Okay.

01:12:14.000 They call it the book of start.

01:12:18.000 And then the second book is called Out of Egypt.

01:12:21.000 Not out of Egypt.

01:12:24.000 What is Leviticus?

01:12:25.000 Out of Egypt. 0.97

01:12:25.000 Leviticus is priests. 0.97

01:12:28.000 Priests.

01:12:29.000 Let me guess.

01:12:30.000 Numbers.

01:12:31.000 In the wild.

01:12:32.000 Census.

01:12:34.000 Okay, Deuteronomy.

01:12:34.000 Two laws.

01:12:35.000 Rules second time.

01:12:36.000 See, I was not wrong.

01:12:37.000 I was not far off.

01:12:38.000 Two laws.

01:12:39.000 Okay, no, Let me guess.

01:12:41.000 Then Joshua.

01:12:42.000 Joshua's Joshua.

01:12:43.000 Okay, then it would be Judges.

01:12:45.000 Local leaders.

01:12:46.000 Local leaders.

01:12:47.000 First and second Kings.

01:12:48.000 Those kings.

01:12:49.000 Ruth, Samuel, Kings.

01:12:51.000 Those are all the same.

01:12:52.000 Hold on.

01:12:52.000 First and second Chronicles.

01:12:54.000 It would be dem rights. 0.94

01:12:55.000 Records.

01:12:56.000 I'm so close.

01:12:58.000 I think the next best good one is we have Psalms, which is Psalms.

01:13:03.000 And then I think Proverbs.

01:13:04.000 Proverbs.

01:13:04.000 Hold on.

01:13:07.000 Something with lines of wisdom.

01:13:09.000 Smart guys.

01:13:13.000 Wait, no, the next one.

01:13:14.000 No, you can't be smart.

01:13:15.000 The next one's great too.

01:13:16.000 Wait.

01:13:16.000 It's smart.

01:13:17.000 It's Ecclesiastes, which comes after Proverbs, right?

01:13:20.000 Which would be like those musings.

01:13:22.000 Teacher.

01:13:24.000 Teacher?

01:13:24.000 Teacher.

01:13:25.000 He's Ecclesiastes.

01:13:27.000 I presumably, I guess, if they're following the same order.

01:13:29.000 And then Love Song.

01:13:31.000 That song's a song.

01:13:32.000 Song of Solomon.

01:13:32.000 Yeah, that's actually pretty good.

01:13:34.000 And then Lamentations is.

01:13:36.000 Hold on.

01:13:36.000 Is Regrets.

01:13:37.000 Sad song.

01:13:38.000 Okay.

01:13:39.000 Love song and sadness.

01:13:41.000 There's a theme.

01:13:45.000 There's a lot of comments, but that one's great.

01:13:48.000 Can you jump ahead a little bit to so we have Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, but what do they call Acts of the Apostles?

01:13:53.000 Well, no, it's like the gang of the apostles.

01:13:56.000 Jesus guys.

01:13:57.000 Jesus guys.

01:13:58.000 I want to read just a certain line from.

01:14:00.000 This is not a joke.

01:14:01.000 It's an actual translation.

01:14:02.000 It's an actual translation.

01:14:02.000 By the way, the Old Testament.

01:14:04.000 You read the one you have, and then I have an idea for what I want to do next.

01:14:06.000 So we'll have Charlie pull it at random.

01:14:08.000 First of all, the Jesus book is technically just the New Testament.

01:14:12.000 The Old Testament is called Da Bo Jesus book.

01:14:16.000 You're kidding me.

01:14:17.000 The first version that I came out of, this is just the first one that came out.

01:14:20.000 So there's probably better lines, but this is Matthew 1.

01:14:23.000 So this is the ancestry of Jesus.

01:14:25.000 Yes, the genealogy.

01:14:26.000 So it starts, Jesus' ancestor guys.

01:14:29.000 This book tells about Jesus and his ancestor guys.

01:14:32.000 He the Christ guy, the special guy, God Wen Sen. 0.68

01:14:36.000 He from King David Ohana and David, he from Abraham Ohana.

01:14:41.000 This Jesus Ohana list.

01:14:43.000 Get 14 fadas from Abraham to Jacob.

01:14:46.000 Abraham, he Isaac Fada.

01:14:49.000 Isaac, he Jacob Fada.

01:14:51.000 Jacob, he Judah Fada. 0.90

01:14:53.000 Goes on like this for ages and ages and ages.

01:14:55.000 And I want to hear, and then we get to the second part.

01:14:58.000 Jesus born.

01:14:59.000 Before Mary born Jesus, the special guy, God, when send this happen, Mary, she make ready for Mary Joseph.

01:15:07.000 But before they marry, the good and special spirit make her get happy.

01:15:12.000 Happy?

01:15:14.000 I guess.

01:15:15.000 Is that well?

01:15:15.000 I mean, the original Greek is they got to know each other.

01:15:18.000 Something.

01:15:20.000 I actually think it's kind of sweet.

01:15:22.000 I can't believe you listen to me.

01:15:24.000 I think get Happy is pregnant, actually. 0.95

01:15:26.000 That's correct.

01:15:27.000 Joseph, the guy that going come her husband, he one guy that do the right thing every time.

01:15:33.000 And he know like make her come shame in front of the people. 0.99

01:15:36.000 So he figure, I know go and marry her, but I know go and tell anybody.

01:15:41.000 Is this on audio book?

01:15:42.000 Look at your name, by the way.

01:15:43.000 Can we show that again?

01:15:46.000 I'm going to have to go.

01:15:48.000 No, we should have Bud Light.

01:15:49.000 We should have this as an audiobook from Bud Light Blake.

01:15:52.000 That's right, Bud Light Blake.

01:15:53.000 So, Jack, you want to play a game?

01:15:54.000 By the way, let me guess what Revelations is.

01:15:57.000 Da'End times.

01:15:59.000 No, that's...

01:16:01.000 Whoa.

01:16:02.000 What Jesus did, John.

01:16:03.000 Jesus show.

01:16:05.000 Jesus show John.

01:16:06.000 Jesus showed John.

01:16:06.000 It just says Jesus show.

01:16:08.000 Like the Charlie.

01:16:09.000 Matthew.

01:16:10.000 Oh, that's a good question.

01:16:10.000 What Jesus showed John?

01:16:11.000 Matthew.

01:16:12.000 I do a particular.

01:16:13.000 Is Matthew the tax man?

01:16:15.000 So Matthew shows Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

01:16:17.000 But for Matthew 2, it says the smart guys who know plenty about the stars.

01:16:25.000 That's the wise man.

01:16:28.000 They're talking about the wise man.

01:16:29.000 Charlie, give me, give me, let's just, just, just give us chapter and verse.

01:16:33.000 Let's go.

01:16:34.000 Let's talk about that.

01:16:36.000 One of the most famous verses in the Bible, Genesis 1:26, 127.

01:16:40.000 And God created male and female in his image.

01:16:43.000 And we'll create man and woman in our image.

01:16:45.000 One of the most famous verses in the Bible, Genesis 1:26, 127.

01:16:49.000 Okay, then God tells.

01:16:53.000 Now I like make people.

01:16:55.000 I'm like them be just like me.

01:16:57.000 Ja like one copy.

01:16:59.000 They go and be in charge of everything.

01:17:02.000 The fish inside the ocean, the birds inside the sky, the animals, all the land, all the small kind animals that go around on top of the ground.

01:17:11.000 So God make the people, same, same, just like one copy of him. 0.86

01:17:16.000 He make guy kind.

01:17:18.000 Oh, man.

01:17:19.000 He make guy kind and wahin kind.

01:17:23.000 I couldn't, I can't even get that one.

01:17:25.000 Wahin kind.

01:17:28.000 Okay, John 3.16.

01:17:30.000 John 3.16.

01:17:31.000 For God.

01:17:32.000 For God so loved the world.

01:17:33.000 I thought that's the thing.

01:17:34.000 He gave his one and only son that whomever believe in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

01:17:39.000 God get plenty love and aloha for the people inside the world.

01:17:46.000 That's why he send me his one and only boy.

01:17:50.000 Because of that, everybody, trust me, no goin' get cut off from God forever.

01:17:56.000 They goin' get the real kind life that going to stay de max forever.

01:18:02.000 Okay, so Jack, I just, we're gonna get a lot of heat.

01:18:05.000 You know, I hate dartmyth.

01:18:06.000 That's dartmyth on display right there, Bud Light Blake.

01:18:09.000 So people are gonna say, Charlie, why are you guys making fun of it?

01:18:12.000 This brings people to the Lord.

01:18:13.000 Is this a real language, Jack?

01:18:15.000 Like, help people understand what dialect is this?

01:18:17.000 I thought this was trolling.

01:18:19.000 I thought the Jesus book was a joke.

01:18:22.000 Like, I thought this was no way this is real, like, AI generated.

01:18:26.000 What is, is this an actual language that people speak?

01:18:29.000 So here's the thing.

01:18:31.000 Keep in mind, this is not the Hawaiian language.

01:18:34.000 This is not the English language.

01:18:36.000 This is a Creole language that is spoken by some people in Hawaii, but the two official languages of Hawaii are English and Hawaiian.

01:18:48.000 Those are fully developed languages.

01:18:50.000 They allow for things like gradiation.

01:18:52.000 They allow for things like the various and key differences in many of the translations to come in.

01:19:00.000 And so, Charlie, my, I'm just going to say it.

01:19:03.000 Like, I'm literally just going to say it, that what I think you're doing here is you're actually lowering the status of the word by putting it into a language like this, quite frankly.

01:19:13.000 And I think you're depriving it of meaning in many cases, and you are degrading it so much.

01:19:19.000 So, if this is being done potentially as a way to help really and truly help a certain subset of people to put it to bring them into the fullness of Christ, that's one thing.

01:19:31.000 But the idea that you wouldn't also be trying to help those people to fully understand even the Hawaiian language, by the way, the actual Hawaiian language, I think you're just going to miss so much in terms of the teaching.

01:19:44.000 I think you're going to miss so much in terms of the moral guidance that the Bible and the New Testament gives, because I'm looking at some of these things and you can just tell that the way that they're, you know, and Blake, you know, you're looking at the translations.

01:19:56.000 I've got it on you version, so you can do side by side.

01:19:59.000 It's very simplistic.

01:20:01.000 It's like basically, it's like when you read one of those, you know, simplified versions of articles, you know, there's different websites, they have simple versions.

01:20:08.000 It's not the fullness of the actual teaching.

01:20:11.000 And I feel like there's a lot lost that way.

01:20:12.000 And I think it's worth highlighting that the Hawaiian language that the Hawaiians spoke, that was translated.

01:20:18.000 There's a Bible translation for that from the 1800s.

01:20:21.000 And of course, as we all know, the Bible is written up.

01:20:26.000 This is just made up, right?

01:20:27.000 Well, so it is, there are real, it is a real pidgin language.

01:20:30.000 There are people who talk this way.

01:20:32.000 I think there is a school of thought that thinks you should bring the Bible to people in whatever manner they speak.

01:20:40.000 And there's also an academic thing that will say, like, all languages are 100% equal.

01:20:45.000 And so Hawaiian pidgin is a language on par with the Queen's English.

01:20:50.000 Yeah, but Bible scholars went into it.

01:20:52.000 You know.

01:20:53.000 You'll get two Bible scholars, three opinions.

01:20:57.000 But what I think is unfortunately true here is it is true.

01:21:01.000 It's just a pidgin language by its very nature is going to be a degraded form of a language that struggles to express concepts. 0.98

01:21:09.000 And I do worry, you know, just our reaction to it does show the downsides of this, which is it is a faintly ridiculous thing.

01:21:16.000 I mean, if people get saved through this, it's great.

01:21:18.000 But it feels as if, I mean, I'm just going to be honest, if you learned English, I think John 3:16 is just more powerful than whatever that is.

01:21:27.000 For sure.

01:21:28.000 Eventually, you go through so many, like you go from Greek to Latin to English to pidgin speak. 0.99

01:21:34.000 Like you're for derivatives.

01:21:36.000 Like, I don't think that.

01:21:37.000 You know what?

01:21:38.000 This is like when I, this is like when I, this is like when I talk to my kids.

01:21:41.000 This is like when I explain to my toddlers various stories of the Bible.

01:21:47.000 So, you know, I'm trying to impart them the lesson.

01:21:51.000 I'm trying to impart them the wisdom that's coming through.

01:21:54.000 But obviously, it's not going to be direct.

01:21:57.000 So, and I'm teaching them that way because they're children and I'm trying to bring them into a general sense of right and wrong and teach them these basic concepts, teach them the basics of, you know, the nativity, for example, teach them the basics of some of the things that occurred throughout the Gospels, et cetera.

01:22:16.000 But this is no way to talk to an adult.

01:22:19.000 I'm sorry.

01:22:21.000 I will say this is better than the message translation of the Bible.

01:22:26.000 The message is really bad.

01:22:28.000 The message is really bad.

01:22:29.000 And their version of the Lord's Prayer is the message is used way too much.

01:22:34.000 It's used too much.

01:22:36.000 New church world.

01:22:37.000 And they'll just straight up change.

01:22:38.000 They'll probably change the meaning more than the Hawaiian pidgin one does.

01:22:41.000 Hawaiian pigeon has vocabulary limitations.

01:22:44.000 This is the message's version of the Lord's Prayer, Gospel of Matthew.

01:22:48.000 Our Father in heaven, reveal who you are.

01:22:51.000 Set the world right.

01:22:52.000 Do what's best.

01:22:54.000 As above, so below.

01:22:56.000 That's not what it says.

01:22:57.000 Keep us alive with three square meals.

01:22:59.000 No.

01:23:00.000 Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.

01:23:02.000 No.

01:23:02.000 Keep us safe from ourselves and the devil.

01:23:05.000 No.

01:23:05.000 You're in charge.

01:23:06.000 You can do anything you want.

01:23:08.000 You're ablaze in beauty.

01:23:10.000 Yes.

01:23:13.000 I appreciate it.

01:23:14.000 There was nothing about...

01:23:15.000 Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors or forgive us our trust.

01:23:18.000 Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.

01:23:20.000 But just at this end, it's like God is down and needs a pep talk from people.

01:23:24.000 No.

01:23:25.000 You just.

01:23:26.000 You can go get him, God.

01:23:28.000 You can beat him.

01:23:29.000 You can beat the bad guys.

01:23:31.000 I appreciate it up there, folks.

01:23:34.000 I'm kind of upset that one doesn't have a loha throwing over there.

01:23:38.000 All right, guys.

01:23:39.000 We glanced over one other topic, didn't we?

01:23:41.000 That we were supposed to do.

01:23:42.000 A couple.

01:23:43.000 Do we want to hit it?

01:23:44.000 We're running out of time.

01:23:45.000 There was one really quick, though, that we had on the docket.

01:23:47.000 Oh, ebony alerts.

01:23:48.000 Really quick.

01:23:49.000 Oh, ebony alerts.

01:23:50.000 We want to hit this last week.

01:23:51.000 We want to hit this last week.

01:23:52.000 Ebony alerts.

01:23:53.000 Cue up the beeping again.

01:23:54.000 So we all have amber alerts in, I think, nationwide at this point.

01:23:59.000 There are amber alerts.

01:24:00.000 Yes.

01:24:00.000 Amber alerts are missing child.

01:24:02.000 You can get an alert on your phone.

01:24:03.000 Be on the lookout for this kid.

01:24:05.000 There's also been silver alerts, which are missing elderly people who might have dementia and have wandered off.

01:24:11.000 But California just came up with by far the most patronizing version of these possible.

01:24:16.000 Okay, that's a lie.

01:24:17.000 We'll get to that in a second.

01:24:18.000 California just debuted a new one called Ebony Alerts, which ebony, of course, is a dark-colored substance. 0.76

01:24:25.000 And so it is a special form of Amber Alert that is only for black people.

01:24:31.000 And there are just iterations of it where you can qualify for it if you are black, but you would not qualify for it otherwise. 0.89

01:24:37.000 So blacks get their own iPhone alerts. 0.99

01:24:39.000 Yes, they got their own iPhone alerts. 0.97

01:24:43.000 Let's see.

01:24:44.000 The official explanation for it was just there are they need it.

01:24:48.000 And apparently people just ignore amber alerts unless they're for the allegation was people ignore amber alerts unless they're like cute blonde white children and otherwise people just like smash their phone with a hammer or something.

01:25:02.000 So that was the claim.

01:25:03.000 So they're going to avoid this by creating an entirely new system.

01:25:07.000 And it's sort of, but what I get about it being patronizing is or condescending is amber alerts are for children.

01:25:14.000 And the main change as far as I can tell with ebony alerts is just that if you're a black person, you qualify until you're the age of 25.

01:25:23.000 And so they're saying if we're counting them as children, we need to extend the range at which they're counted as children.

01:25:29.000 And that is, I guess, the top priority of the state of California.

01:25:32.000 So here's my question.

01:25:33.000 So when I get an ebony, what got an ebony alert?

01:25:36.000 Ebony?

01:25:37.000 Ebony.

01:25:38.000 No, when I get an Amber alert, it goes like, eh, eh, and when I get an ebony alert, do I get a chirp?

01:25:45.000 You're going to have to find out yourself.

01:25:46.000 Probably disable all of this.

01:25:48.000 That's the new app.

01:25:49.000 That's the new app from the thought from thought crime.

01:25:53.000 So the thought crime app, we should set up a new app for not just the shows, but when something comes out that's a thought crime, we can push a notification to everybody like a thought crime alert.

01:26:03.000 And the sound would be you're not.

01:26:09.000 You're not going to believe me, but there's a fourth alert that they already have in California.

01:26:14.000 What is that?

01:26:15.000 It is for American Indians, and it is called a feather alert.

01:26:20.000 No, you're kidding.

01:26:20.000 I am not making that up.

01:26:22.000 I thought it was a lie when I read it too.

01:26:24.000 Wait, so we can't call the team the Redskins, but we can have feather alerts.

01:26:27.000 Feather alerts.

01:26:28.000 Feather alerts for missing American Indians.

01:26:31.000 Who came up with that?

01:26:33.000 Not me. 0.74

01:26:35.000 Well, I mean, That's like if you were, that's like a 4chan thing that they tried to, that sounds like something that 4chan would do to like try to troll people into thinking was actually real to see if they could get like some stupid journalist to actually repeat it like they did with the okay symbol or like to get some stupid politician to actually repeat it, but one that actually went a little bit too far and ended up actually going into like the actual parlance.

01:27:01.000 I mean, that's just like it sounds like a parody.

01:27:05.000 Speaking of what would you even do?

01:27:07.000 Speaking of going too far, this is the actual wording, state of California website, california.gov.

01:27:11.000 In order for a feather alert to be activated, a law enforcement agency must determine that the following criteria have been met.

01:27:17.000 Number one, the missing person is an Indigenous woman or Indigenous person.

01:27:25.000 Okay.

01:27:25.000 Indigenous woman.

01:27:27.000 So how many categories?

01:27:27.000 So we have amber, amber, ebony, feather, feather, silver for old people.

01:27:34.000 Oh, there's an older one?

01:27:35.000 So silver alerts, and that's like dementia person wandered away.

01:27:38.000 That sort of thing.

01:27:39.000 Have you ever received a silver alert?

01:27:40.000 I disable all of these on my phone.

01:27:42.000 Do you really?

01:27:43.000 I believe in ruthless Darwinian selection.

01:27:46.000 And so if people go missing, that's don't bother my phone.

01:27:51.000 Exactly.

01:27:52.000 I'm just getting a...

01:27:55.000 I just got a Bud Light alert in my ear for me.

01:27:59.000 All right.

01:28:00.000 Closing thoughts, Jack.

01:28:01.000 Tyler had to run.

01:28:04.000 Yeah, no, look, when it comes down to it, I think that when it comes to a lot of these issues, any of the stuff that we've talked about, we shouldn't always just argue about it as if it's in a vacuum.

01:28:15.000 These things are actually happening to us, to conservatives, to white Christian males in the country at this very moment, not just the United States, but all across the West.

01:28:25.000 So any conversation that we start having about how should we fight back should be about how do we win and how do we crush the people that are literally trying to put us behind bars and in some cases have us killed.

01:28:39.000 So if you're not talking about that first, you talk about something else, I think you're just out of the conversation.

01:28:45.000 Blake, final thoughts?

01:28:46.000 I bet we could get conservatives to support phone alerts for missing college football players called pigskin alerts.

01:28:54.000 Bud Light Blake strikes again.

01:28:57.000 Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:28:59.000 Watch our program tomorrow, 12 Eastern.

01:29:00.000 Jack follows us on Real America's Voice.

01:29:02.000 Until then, keep on committing thought crimes.

01:29:09.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:29:11.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:29:14.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 28, 2023

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 19 — Are College Sports Ruined? UFC and Bud Light? Da Jesus Book?

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