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00:01:56.000I'd like to thank Tyler Boyer as well as Jessica Barsh for letting me know of my newfound and heretofore lifelong adoration of what's the name of the team again?
00:03:57.000Does it is super 90s in the way all the teams that joined sports leagues from 95 to 2000 had these like Utah Jazz very simple metallic Minnesota Timberwolves?
00:04:09.000The Jaguars, the Seattle Seahawks, Sonics.
00:04:32.000And now we're going back to the real golden age, though, which is 70s uniforms.
00:04:35.000So we were in the chat, and Jack said, There's no way the Phils are, you know, with their $300 million are going to drop two games of Philadelphia and boom.
00:07:48.000When we were kids, I remember my dad actually had season tickets for the sort of, you know, famous 93 Phillies and went to, you know, went to a ton of the games, got to see Nails play, Lenny Dykstra.
00:08:03.000I got to see everybody, Mike Schmidt, even earlier than that.
00:10:54.000But let's just start with the topic that we'd usually wait for longer, which is college sports, NIL, name image likeness.
00:11:02.000This is a ridiculously interesting topic.
00:11:04.000Everyone listening, even if you're not a sports fan, this topic will get your curiosity because you are living through a total seismic change in philanthropy, college sports, higher education, young men and how they get paid when they play football.
00:11:32.000But I also extracted some details from it.
00:11:36.000So a few years ago, the NCAA lost a Supreme Court case, which said, you know, you can't stop players from profiting off their name image likeness.
00:11:45.000And so this opened the door to players receiving some compensation while being college athletes.
00:11:52.000And it took very little time for this to evolve.
00:11:55.000This decision was, I want to say, about three years ago or so.
00:11:59.000And it's already become this new thing where what donors have realized they can do is they set up these donor collectives, they call them.
00:12:07.000There's more than 100 of these now at all the big schools, donor collectives.
00:12:11.000And they essentially just collect money from boosters of this school.
00:12:14.000Some of them are for-profit entities, or at least not not-for-profit, and some are non-profits that you can donate to and get a tax deduction for it.
00:12:22.000And these collectives come up with various ways to play players overwhelmingly in D1 college football or D1 college basketball.
00:12:30.000And some of these details are just crazy.
00:12:32.000So one player at Michigan State University makes $750,000 per year as a college athlete.
00:12:40.000At Ohio State University, some players not only get a paycheck, they get a free car lease as well.
00:14:11.000No, their guidance letter said in July that they're basically going to start coming after all these C3s.
00:14:18.000I will believe it when I see consequences for it.
00:14:22.000And I think in the medium term, though, it is to respond to anything.
00:14:28.000So it just, it does stand out to me, though, that when you think of the reasons people would traditionally give for liking college sports so much, even though it is a lower level of play than professional, it's, you know, they would cite identifying with the school, the ideal of a student athlete, amateurism historically.
00:14:50.000Just really identifying with a specific place.
00:14:52.000And it just does seem very jarring, at least to me, that it becomes so mercenary that everyone is essentially just going to pick, well, what place can pay me the most under this new setup?
00:15:02.000And becoming this de facto minor league for a major pro sports league when there's still mostly public schools that are doing.
00:15:08.000Well, let's also, let's be honest, though.
00:15:10.000First of all, with all the conference realignment, this was happening anyway, right?
00:15:13.000So as far as the kind of professionalization of college sports, the innocence of college sports has been dying for quite some time.
00:15:19.000But I want to push back a little bit though, Blake.
00:15:21.000So I met an individual, I'm not going to say who.
00:15:55.000Again, intelligence, as Tucker Carlson said, is not a moral value.
00:16:03.000And so, dumb guy, they would pay the players in the offseason through the nonprofit of the foundation to just literally like watch footballs, like just watch the footballs.
00:16:14.000So, like, it's just, it just seems to be now in the public eye.
00:16:25.000And I guess taking a step back, if people like college football or college basketball, more power to you.
00:16:31.000What bothers me, I will say, is again, that we are corrupting institutions that ostensibly have a different purpose because we still pretend these people are student athletes.
00:16:41.000We still say they're supposed to take classes.
00:16:44.000And then in turn, we corrupt these institutions.
00:16:46.000So if you go to some of these schools, UNC has had scandals about this.
00:16:50.000Ohio State has had scandals about this, where, okay, you're a student athlete, but because you're one of our scholarship student athletes, you have a separate dorm area.
00:16:58.000You go to a different building for classes.
00:17:13.000We've had scandals at our military service academies where professors have complained we are lowering academic standards for people whose job is to protect the United States in order to make sure that the, you know, the Navy midshipmen are able to win more football games.
00:17:27.000And they've won a lot of football games as a result.
00:17:30.000And it does, it just bothers me that this is apparently like the supreme expression of American values is competition in college sports, such that we will dilute illustrious institutions for the sake of getting those victories.
00:17:44.000Well, so Tyler, you know, to talk about this, talk about how the money flows.
00:18:07.000So if you've heard of Arabella Advisors, so you know Arabella, they have become the epicenter at manipulating C3 dollars in order to push a political narrative, right?
00:18:35.000So they've already started moving into for-profit collectives and then taking C3 dollars from C3 organizations that are legit C3 organizations that have existed for years and years and years and years, because this is the big problem.
00:18:46.000And Charlie knows this really, really well.
00:18:48.000New C3s are under a microscope much more often than old C3s.
00:18:54.000So like the American Heart Association, probably not going to get, you know, going to get canceled anytime soon by the IRS.
00:19:02.000But a brand new political C3, like what happened under Obama is going to get yanked.
00:19:07.000And so this is what's happened with the NILs.
00:19:08.000The NILs, these new C3 collectives are getting scrutinized.
00:19:13.000And so they're going now to old C3s that have existed, family foundations, things like that that have existed and said, give the money to them.
00:19:48.000And so, Jack, your thoughts on this, on college sports in general, but also, you know, have, has this actually always been as innocent as we like to think?
00:19:57.000Well, Charlie, I think we, you know, and of course, you've done the yeoman's work on exposing colleges in terms of the general scam of colleges.
00:20:07.000And so what we're really talking about here is a subset of.
00:20:12.000So the college sports scam is really, you know, you could write a new chapter or even sort of like a sequel to your last book on this, because again, we've totally gotten away from colleges as an institution of learning, as a place where, again, people were supposed to go.
00:20:36.000Most people graduated school and went right into the workforce if they went to school at all or had any of this.
00:20:41.000But it's become so much of a credentialing factory, a diploma mill, if you will, in terms of this.
00:20:47.000And so now, by and large, the same way that you see these endowments, the same way you see these universities being run as essentially hedge funds with an academics department, you're seeing these sports departments and in many cases, it's football.
00:21:02.000It's generally football that leads it.
00:21:04.000This has become not just the driver of the institution, but actually its own enterprise unto itself.
00:21:11.000And again, the university and all of it, it's just there for show or there, by the way, for them to justify more federal funding that they're able to receive for their giant new center, their giant new set, whatever it is.
00:21:25.000We've completely lost sight of what the purpose of college or university should be.
00:21:31.000And by the way, I say that as a guy who I didn't go there, but my dad, most people in my family went to Penn State.
00:21:37.000We're big, actually, Pacific's are a huge Penn State family.
00:21:56.000It's become this massive influx and flow of money to the enemies of the Republic, to the enemies of patriots, to the enemies, in this case, of civilization.
00:22:07.000And so when I see something like this going on, you know, my first thought is, why do we allow these people to be nonprofits?
00:22:13.000To go back to what Tyler is saying, why do we allow them to have nonprofit status at all?
00:22:16.000Why do we give them IRS breaks when they're taking in this much money?
00:22:19.000Why do we allow these things to operate with federal funds in many cases at public institutions?
00:22:25.000We should obviously be cracking up this entire system, opening the books, figuring out if they owe taxes, make them pay taxes on all of these things.
00:22:34.000And when it comes down to the student debt crisis, I'm not really much of a conservatarian on it.
00:22:48.000I want to respond to a comment in the chat, Elonzo Musk, where he says, there are many things corrupting colleges and sports is low on the list.
00:22:56.000I don't know if I agree that it's low on the list.
00:22:58.000The amount of money that we're talking about here is pretty substantial, but I do agree there are a lot of things that are corrupting it.
00:23:04.000We just had an article shared in our show chat that points out, you know, Qatar has funneled tons of money into U.S. universities.
00:23:11.000We know Saudi Arabia has funneled a lot of money in.
00:23:14.000The Chinese Communist Party has funneled money in.
00:23:16.000And then never mind the sheer number of just normal people of bizarre ideological stripes who put money in our universities and enable all sorts of absolute insanity in them.
00:23:29.000And I think, but I do think sports, because it is so high profile and because so many people watch it and engage with it and are really aware of what happens.
00:23:39.000And we're going to get these long articles about it in the New York Times.
00:23:42.000It's maybe a useful way for us to think about our country's relationship with our higher education institutions.
00:23:48.000Well, yeah, and this is an important point.
00:23:49.000So, you know who the biggest fans of kind of the popularity of college football is?
00:23:55.000Are the people that want the institutions to remain woke?
00:24:16.000But that football culture is so strong, they're going to keep on raising money.
00:24:19.000They're going to keep on having a money flow.
00:24:21.000And so, what we're looking at actually is one of the reasons we have not been able to get the rallying cry from conservative America to stop giving money or at least stopping sending kids or stop supporting is because they want to keep on cheering on their favorite college football people.
00:24:37.000It's a huge, it is a form of, it is, it's weaponizing your emotional attachments against you.
00:24:43.000And I think in other contexts, we're much more aware of them doing that.
00:24:48.000People have noticed this when they make, you know, woke versions of Star Wars or Lord of the Rings or something, that they're trying to take something you care about and use it to hurt you or propagandize you and so forth.
00:24:59.000And with college, we're seeing this, you know, one once removed.
00:25:03.000So the product itself is not intolerably woke, but it is being used to keep you attached and serving this system that is enormously politicized, is enormously damaging to everything you care about that isn't college sports.
00:25:18.000Now, maybe that's not saying a lot because at the rate they're spending money on some of these things, it seems there are people who only care about college sports.
00:25:27.000So this is a good transition, though, also to the Jewish donors that are starting to divest their funds from higher education.
00:25:47.000I'm no longer going to be supporting Columbia.
00:25:49.000You see this with Bill Ackman with Harvard.
00:25:52.000You see this with Ken Griffin with Harvard, the Huntsman, with Penn.
00:25:56.000Tyler, these universities are actually far more fickle and fragile financially than people realize.
00:26:01.000You sat on the board of regents here in Arizona.
00:26:04.000You know, there is this, there's this belief that they're sitting on billions of dollars, but a lot of it is land and immovable assets and things they can't liquidate.
00:26:13.000Tyler, talk about how financially fragile these universities actually are and how college sports is a major part of it.
00:26:20.000Well, you just brought up John Huntsman's no conservative, right?
00:26:24.000No, he's a left-winger LARPing as a Republican.
00:26:26.000We're talking about like moderates now are starting to pull their money.
00:26:29.000And now this has happened in the background, by the way.
00:26:32.000A lot of the academic enterprise, you know, that's happening in all these different states is now going, holy crap, like all these moderates that we thought, these rhinos that we thought were our friends are now pulling back money.
00:26:44.000There's serious talk the president of Penn might have to resign over what their donors are saying.
00:26:48.000Because like Charlie just said, the only most of these assets are not liquid.
00:27:10.000So you have those three things on top of it.
00:27:12.000And then all the money that they have access to is controlled by a large board.
00:27:18.000Not to mention, there's also, no one ever talks about this.
00:27:20.000There's an invisible hand that's almost every university that sometimes controls the board of trustees or regents that they have to work through, which is usually staffed.
00:29:59.000Is there going to be, do you think that these rich guys will eventually have a bunch of meetings and dinners and eventually be kind of like, oh, it's not that bad.
00:30:09.000Are we actually seeing what we've been calling for, which is a starting of a conscious of the rich, like better elites?
00:30:17.000We have been asking for rich people to start to act to act ethically, not to get rid of rich people, just have rich people that care about the nation care about their giving.
00:30:26.000Jack, is this the beginning of a promising trend?
00:30:30.000Yeah, I mean, Charlie, when you're talking about when you put the name Huntsman out there, that really, that really shocked me because I, you know, people know Abby Huntsman from her work on TV.
00:30:40.000Don't need to get into all that right now.
00:30:57.000A lot of the plastic that you have in disposable silverware for these type of things, that was all Huntsman Sr. Huntsman Chemicals.
00:31:05.000So the amount of money we are talking about here is serious, just world-level generational wealth that Huntsman's have.
00:31:13.000And so the idea that they're going to be pulling out, I guess I'll believe it when I see it, Charlie.
00:31:20.000That's why we need, you know, what we really need is some type of watchdog organization to keep an eye on these donors, particularly when it comes to campus.
00:31:32.000If only there was a professor list that was updated in real time.
00:31:38.000We could call it like a professor watch list and we could actually list the names.
00:31:42.000I will say, Tyler, you've been around for almost eight years now, right?
00:32:17.000What I will want to see is rich people can have their obsessions and be very focused on things.
00:32:24.000And right now, it is driven by a news event with a very narrow application to it, which is these schools are having radical anti-Israel groups that frequently just cross the line into overt anti-Semitism.
00:32:38.000And the narrow version of this would be they try to plake either, well, one, they forget about it, or two, they placate them by essentially cracking down on this narrow set of groups, which is, you know, students for justice in Palestine, you get the heave-ho, you guys suck.
00:32:53.000And that would be a huge missed opportunity, I think, if that's the outcome that we get.
00:32:59.000And the other risk I would see is if we see conservative-leaning donors, instead of us dragging them away from enabling all this hateful rhetoric, we just end up dragging ourselves into it's okay to do lots of censorship and we'll be okay with censoring conservatives as long as we also censor some left-wing groups that criticize Israel or whatever group you have.
00:33:22.000And I'm not sure what the right outcome is going to be, but I've been, I didn't like how in Florida, Ron DeSantis just issued an executive order, I believe, or someone in his government did, that just said, we're unilaterally derecognizing.
00:33:35.000All of our colleges are ordered to derecognize the following pro-Palestine groups.
00:33:39.000And I don't like it because one, they're going to lose in court.
00:33:42.000And two, they're really, they are damaging the fact that we are pro-free speech.
00:33:48.000And I would rather, instead of just having this turn into a bad for free speech thing, it turns into a don't give infinite money to universities for whatever they want.
00:33:57.000Let's just, so this is, so Florida orders, mostly it's Ron DeSantis, state universities to disband pro-Palestinian student group saying it backs Hamas.
00:34:09.000So sorry to interrupt you, Blake, but just everyone's hands.
00:34:12.000This is a student group that I've gone up against.
00:34:59.000Well, I, again, I'm a bit of an absolutist on speech, so I don't like the idea of anyone just getting shut down for that reason.
00:35:05.000And that is unfortunately the reason that Santis, that the Florida government was giving, which is they, by speaking in support of what Hamas did, are giving support to them.
00:35:15.000And that's a standard we definitely do not want to prevail because what is the argument of every single bad left-wing initiative that we are attacking?
00:35:23.000Yeah, that we are intimidating people.
00:35:26.000We are threatening them with our political advocacy.
00:35:29.000Trump caused the insurrection because he said that we're going to fight.
00:35:32.000We do not want that to become the norm because if that is the rule, it is a rule that will be used against us far more than it will be used against anyone on the left.
00:35:40.000And I just personally believe it's immoral for its own sake.
00:35:43.000So, Tyler, do you think I see it both ways, honestly?
00:35:46.000So, are I mean, some of the language that these kids use, this is not like advocacy at times.
00:35:50.000This is legit Jew hatred and like, I want to kill my opponent.
00:36:00.000I think you should be, I agree, you should be, if you're an American on an American university campus, say whatever dumb thing that you want, right?
00:36:10.000But if you're an organization that's coming onto the campus that's funded from an outside group, it's just like it's like the Saudis buying our land in Arizona.
00:37:10.000That's what Russell Rickford does, the guy at Cornell who was saying, you know, I was so excited when I saw, you know, a tingle went down my leg when I saw the scalped babies.
00:37:31.000And I mean, here's the to strongman Blake's argument, then I'm going to play double's advocate and throw it to Jack.
00:37:36.000I could see Governor Gavin Newsom signing an order saying Turning Point USA is a terror organization and is not allowed on university campuses in California.
00:38:20.000Are you in favor of creating a blacklist for these 31 student organizers at Harvard that came out in support of the Hamas attack?
00:38:29.000Well, see, and I will actually kind of respond to, I'll just say what I said to the DeSantis administration on Twitter when they did this.
00:38:36.000I said, okay, that's fine, but are you going to include all of the Black Lives Matter chapters that are now coming out and praising Hamas?
00:38:45.000Will you include all Black Lives Matter chapters that exist anywhere in the state of Florida that are associated with any university that falls under public funding?
00:38:53.000So again, Charlie, the issue that I have here is that there's these half measures that sort of go in a little bit, but don't go all the way.
00:39:01.000So they're not actually taking the full scope.
00:39:04.000Like if we're going to start banning leftists and banning leftist organizations, let's go all the way.
00:39:09.000Let's actually go all the way and do it for real.
00:39:11.000When it comes to the doxing truck and the blacklisting, I saw the latest headline on the doctor truck.
00:39:17.000You guys know about the docking truck, right?
00:39:24.000So the doxing truck, just in a, in a quick, you know, TLDR is this is the truck that is playing all the names and faces on a digital screen, basically a digital billboard on the side of a panel truck that's driving all the way around basically the Harvard campus and off campus with the names of every single student that signed on to this anti-Israel document, charter, whatever you want to call it.
00:39:50.000And now it's gotten to the point where every day, the truck is parking in front of one of the people's houses and actually broadcasting their name and face for everyone right in front of their house.
00:40:03.000And I say, God bless them, face, face, face, continue this.
00:40:08.000Make sure not just the students, but go after the teachers as well.
00:40:12.000Anyone who went on with this, make sure that you put it out there and you put it everywhere for all to see.
00:40:18.000Because remember, guys, it's not about canceling.
00:40:29.000It's about the arc of morality and the moral justice of the universe.
00:40:34.000Look, until we start embracing these tactics, the left is just going to continue to use them against us, to use them against our families, to use them against our friends.
00:40:43.000Anytime you make one wrong move, and I'm sorry, but the cockservative response to just throw your hands up and say, no, no, that's not fair.
00:40:52.000It's not going to work and it's never going to work.
00:40:55.000You have to fight fire with fire at some point.
00:41:27.000I mean, I'm certainly sympathetic to blacklisting these specific people because they're really awful.
00:41:33.000And it's been delicious to see some of them on Twitter.
00:41:35.000And we can just drink, we can drag out their comments in 2017 where they're just, you know, where they're just praising every single cancellation ever.
00:41:42.000And they're now, whoa, oh no, I just got in trouble because I said that Hamas scalping a baby was good.
00:41:51.000I'm not going to lose much sleep over it.
00:41:56.000I thought, I think a lot of us did like when America was a country where you could say things and not have horrible stuff happen to you.
00:42:03.000And if cancellation, if reciprocal cancellation takes us towards a reality where we don't need to cancel everyone, you know, over every opinion they have, I would consider that, you know, an unfortunate but necessary step.
00:42:15.000But I don't like the idea that we just end up in this ideological terror zone where everyone is going around pulverizing everyone to smithereens because of opinions they had in college.
00:42:24.000So just to be very clear, before the anti-defamation league tries to murder me in my sleep, what I was saying is that they'll probably try to murder you while you're awake.
00:42:32.000So Jews have given billions at all these institutions and they're using what leverage they have to try and stop Jew hatred on these campuses.
00:42:46.000Well, I mean, you can talk about supporting freedom of speech and you can talk about supporting the idea of freedom from the, I guess, law enforcement repercussions of speech in the country.
00:42:59.000But I do think that we've always generally had cancel culture in what we would call the popular culture or the popular Mainstream society, for lack of a better term, because it's just been that in the past, it was basically pro-civilizational forces, pro-civilizational individuals who held the rungs of power, the reins of power.
00:43:23.000And now it is anti-civilizational forces that hold on to the reins of power.
00:43:27.000So, for example, people speaking out against price, people, you know, John Lennon's famous comments about, you know, about Jesus being bigger than Jesus, et cetera, that led to a lot of cancellation.
00:43:40.000Now, it certainly didn't lead to legal repercussions or anything like that.
00:43:44.000But I do think that moral cancellation has been part of not just America, but Western culture for a long time.
00:44:19.000It was kind of uncool to care too much about politics.
00:44:22.000The idea of relentlessly digging into someone's past to find some random statement they made and then, oh, you don't get to host the Oscars anymore or appear in a movie or you're going to get fired from your job.
00:44:34.000The idea that you would have the New York Times or some magazine do a profile on a person who's otherwise a totally normal individual who's not famous just to get them fired, which that was what peak cancel culture was, was Gawker would go and they would just say, here's all these kids who said the N-word on Twitter.
00:44:51.000And we just contacted all of their colleges that admitted them.
00:44:53.000And we got these people's admissions rescinded.
00:45:04.000And we're kind of having it happen with this.
00:45:07.000And do I think what they said was really ugly?
00:45:09.000And in this case, maybe it's merited because they're super unhinged.
00:45:12.000And it's, you know, probably at least a little problematic if you're going to go work with a bunch of Jewish people in New York and you're on the record saying that every Jew should drink blood and their kids can be decapitated because they're settler colonists.
00:45:28.000But I don't like the concession or the attitude that's just, well, we're just in a war of one side against the other and you should just do whatever you want to the other side.
00:45:38.000But given that we are in the war, Blake, don't you want to win?
00:45:53.000I think there are tactics we can do that we choose not to use for some reason.
00:45:58.000And one of those things is just, okay, if you don't like what these colleges do or they have wacky professors, nuke that department.
00:46:04.000Like before we decide cancel culture is great, why don't we go to the Arizona legislature and say, why does any publicly funded university in the state of Arizona have an ex-studies department?
00:46:45.000And I don't lose sleep over making the people that have made a profession of delighting in our suffering all of a sudden have to fear that they might lose their job because they said something legitimately represents.
00:47:25.000At the same time, we're left with really, we okay, so the real is really, I hate to be binary, but right, Tyler, there's two options: we do nothing and write out beds and say, it's wrong to cancel people while they're literally transiting our kids and firing us from every major power center and debanking us, debanking you, right?
00:48:03.000Yeah, but I mean, I'll just give you my small.
00:48:06.000I mean, I don't have all the experience in the world, but having like being super involved, like party politics and how nasty, because I, I mean, I went toe-to-toe with John McCain and his people.
00:48:18.000I mean, I've gone through these things.
00:48:20.000The only thing that I've ever seen ever to work is for those people to know that you, number one, are unaffected by what they're doing to you.
00:49:19.000Now, if someone has really done something that you feel reprehensible or that you feel violates your values or they were deceitful or they betrayed you, 100%, right?
00:49:29.000But you do not have them set the standard for what you do.
00:51:35.000He will be there all weekend because he's unvaccinated, we're told, and this is COVID protocol in Louisiana, the same state that our new speaker hails from.
00:51:43.000Owen Schroyer, guy who does a talk show for a living, a guy who said, I don't even know if he can say said the words, but said the numbers, 1776, outside the Capitol, outside, not inside, outside the Capitol on January 6th.
00:51:58.000Someone who he disrupted a congressional hearing by standing up and heckling at one point prior to then.
00:52:07.000Again, all completely covered under the First Amendment activities.
00:52:11.000He is currently behind bars in a federal corrections institution in Louisiana, the federal government in solitary confinement.
00:52:21.000So I'll say to the guys who were saying, like, oh, never use the left tools, et cetera, et cetera.
00:52:27.000Guys, understand the situation that we're in right now, current.
00:52:31.000The leader of the Republican Party and the number one opposition candidate has been arrested four times and faces 91 different charges in various jurisdictions around the country.
00:52:44.000There's also a guy saying that this judge saying that I'll throw this guy, Trump, this president, your opposition leader, behind bars if he talks too much publicly about the process that's going on.
00:52:57.000Charlie, have there ever been any books that were written about this where they describe the process being the punishment itself?
00:53:34.000There are actual people who are friends of ours, friends of everybody on this show that have been put that are behind bars right now, named Owen Schroer, for their speech, for their opinions.
00:53:46.000And so everyone needs to understand this.
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00:55:19.000Well, speaking of cancel culture, big news this week.
00:55:22.000Dana White came on the program on the Charlie Kirk show, and we talked about Bud Light UFC and a surprise announcement of the UFC partnering with Bud Light.
00:56:31.000Or is there an argument to be made to say if they start to invest in organizations, sport leagues, and things that are more center-right, like UFC, that is moving in the right direction, and them admitting their mistake, aka message received.
00:57:13.000The one where Trump walked in, it was chanting USA.
00:57:16.000But so I'll tell you, that was a huge, that was a huge crowd.
00:57:19.000But Charlie, it's to your point, even though the organization UFC is more is more center-right, I think people need to understand that there's in their organization, in that audience, if you look at these sporting events like the WWE, like UFC, there are members of the audience, by the way, there that are gay, that are LGBT.
00:57:42.000And so, you know, I think this is clearly a percentage that they're working into it.
00:57:47.000But at the same time, obviously, UFC and Bud Blight seem to be moving far away from that at the same time.
00:57:54.000So it's sort of like we did it, we bounced off.
00:59:25.000Anyway, so with the Bud Light thing, I worry that the biggest asset of Bud Light is we might be getting too much into the specifics of, oh, have they redeemed themselves and so on?
00:59:37.000We've gotten very excited because this is kind of the first big conservative boycott in recent history on mass scale.
00:59:44.000To be big, to really stick, for them to try to fix it, for it to fail.
00:59:49.000And I think some people were inclined to just think, oh, the right got better at doing boycotts and we can do the skin.
00:59:55.000I don't know if that's entirely the case.
00:59:57.000I think Bud Light was perfectly situated to be a strong boycott.
01:00:21.000That's a big factor behind why the boycott continues.
01:00:25.000No one wants to be the guy who goes and buys it at a thing.
01:00:27.000And so the point is, this was a successful boycott for specific reasons.
01:00:31.000And I'm worried that if it basically, if it goes away, we're not going to be able to easily replicate it.
01:00:38.000And it might be that the best way you get value out of the Bud Light boycott in terms of having companies not want to be woke, not wanting to do things that could damage them is you turn them into an example and you make Bud Light a smoldering crater where it's just everyone will think, everyone will go to business school and they'll get these case studies that say, you know, Bud Light did this thing.
01:00:59.000They made Middle America angry and they took a billion dollar brand and it was wiped off the face.
01:01:04.000Do you think that message has already been received?
01:01:07.000It's strong, but I think it could always be stronger.
01:01:10.000And I'm not going to fall at UFC here.
01:01:12.000UFC's got to make money and it's a lot of money.
01:01:15.000And I think maybe the ideal would be UFC made this deal, they get their money, and then it doesn't work.
01:01:20.000And people still just don't buy Bud Light anyway because it's still a beer they don't like.
01:01:24.000That might be the ideal outcome from this.
01:01:27.000Just to follow up on our last topic, though, isn't that an example of cancel culture having positive effects?
01:01:35.000Well, I don't want to equate cancel culture on a product that you choose to buy for any number of reasons, especially with beer where it's all weighted with aesthetic and ideological.
01:01:52.000And it's the difference between commercial ramifications for a large conglomerate and the individual ramifications for one person's life, and especially one person's life in something that's often unrelated to their ability to work in any other field.
01:02:08.000Whereas this is what Bud Light chose to do as a beer to market itself.
01:02:13.000It's just, it is not, I think it abuses the term cancel culture to say that people deciding they don't want to drink Bud Light because it's the gay beer now is cancel culture.
01:02:23.000It's a much more traditional alienation of your customers.
01:02:26.000Let me ask the question just more broadly.
01:02:35.000We need some rules of do we ever allow a company to redeem themselves to come back into the movement if they want to spend money on the right stuff?
01:02:58.000It was like they thought they could get away with it.
01:03:00.000They thought the new cycle would pass.
01:03:01.000That is different than Northface or whatever, Patagonia, literally just running like gay ads and like owning it and doubling and tripling down.
01:03:17.000You're not allowed back into the club.
01:03:20.000But honestly, it's a question we have to have because what I think conservative America is grappling with, both in the speakers race here is like, wait, what do we do with this power that we know?
01:03:30.000Because we have a lot of it, more than I think we ever realized.
01:03:52.000Is that I think what happens, it's more like watching a train, you know, collision or like a train derailment or like you can't take your eyes off it, like a bad accident.
01:04:04.000And people are going to be intrigued and watching like what they do with UFC, but it's like, if it doesn't come off organic and natural and like sane, then it's not going to do anything for them.
01:04:16.000And people are actually going to be more disgusted by it in the same way as like if like somebody goes crazy and they color their hair, they're like a blonde person, they've color hair, you know, dark, and then all of a sudden they, I don't know, this is a very specific like example.
01:04:30.000Speaking from anything, they try to bleach their hair back and then all their hair falls out and everyone's just like watching the whole time.
01:04:36.000Like, what is that person going through?
01:04:39.000I'm not going to say gender, but like, what is that person going through?
01:04:42.000And like, it's the same thing with like this and like with Ron DeSantis's like, or political candidates in general, like you'll see them like, go all in.
01:04:49.000And then they try to like make up for it.
01:04:50.000And then by that point, people are just watching and then they're like, this is so not organic or natural.
01:04:56.000I'm watching and I'm intrigued because it's a freak show, but like, I'm not going to actually subscribe to that.
01:05:01.000And I think that's what's going to happen with it.
01:05:02.000It's a momentum-based equation, I think.
01:05:04.000Bud Light was so big, it was almost unkillable until they screwed it up so bad.
01:05:09.000And now it's almost impossible to undo.
01:05:11.000I think if it was a smaller brand, people would be more willing to forgive it because it might be one guy who runs everything.
01:06:03.000Well, look, I mean, here, here, they have Trump come, you know, Rogan, all that stuff.
01:06:07.000It's also ridiculously bloody and all that stuff.
01:06:09.000But I mean, Dana is super outspokenly trauma, MAGA, conservative, you know, defied the COVID stuff, you know, anti-cancer culture, all that.
01:06:18.000Jack, do you see what I'm getting at here?
01:06:20.000Which is, again, I'm not even sure I know the answer, but you know, Anheuser-Busch is a blue chip company.
01:07:39.000That means setting boundaries on our country.
01:07:42.000That means setting boundaries on our military, on every institution that we can possibly get in control of.
01:07:48.000And because these same institutions, whether it be a company like Bud, whether it be a place like the military, we were talking about the universities in the last segment, have been taken over by these radicals who hate excellence, who hate greatness, who don't want achievement.
01:08:05.000They want to force their radical programs on everybody else.
01:08:10.000Our goal should be, number one, destroying those programs, but number two, making sure that when someone does return to the normal parameters that have been set up, and by the way, the same parameters that have given this country so much wealth and power and status and greatness over the years, then they should be supported.
01:08:32.000So, once you get back on track, we're good.
01:08:36.000We want to shut down that kind of stuff.
01:08:38.000Like, for example, I would love if NASA went back to the space shuttle program and putting men on the moon and putting people in space and having literally remember the right stuff and the best man for the job.
01:09:01.000Because they're the ones who did it with less technology than you would find in like a TI-83 calculator in your pocket when they went to the moon.
01:09:10.000That's the pinnacle of American greatness, is the moon landing.
01:09:13.000That's the country that we need to be again.
01:09:14.000And whatever institution gets us there should be the ones that we support.
01:09:55.000So the deep web reveal for this week is very relevant because we just did the worst betrayals of all time.
01:10:00.000And so there's a lot of translations of the Bible out there.
01:10:04.000And it used to be you were limited to what you could maybe find at your Christian bookstore.
01:10:07.000I thought this was a troll when you went through it.
01:10:09.000But now we have the internet, and the Bible is a public domain book.
01:10:12.000So basically, every translation of it is out there.
01:10:14.000Christians like to spread the good news.
01:10:16.000We like to spread the good news everywhere.
01:10:17.000We've translated the Bible into Japanese.
01:10:20.000We've translated the Bible into French.
01:10:21.000We've translated the Bible into strange Amazonian dialects that have clicking sounds in them.
01:10:26.000And one of the languages that we have translated the Bible into is called Hawaiian Pidgin.
01:10:32.000It is the sort of gobbledygook version of English that you get if you are in Hawaii.
01:10:39.000And the special thing is, is that the Hawaiian version of the Hawaiian pigeon version of the New Testament is called, I'm not making this up, Da Jesus book.
01:11:29.000And so I don't know if we have the shot of this, but if you go to Bible.com or Bible Hub or Bible Gateway, like you know, those websites where they're pretty popular where you can, you can go through different translations, different versions of the Bible.
01:11:43.000Just scroll down on one of those and you'll see it right there: Hawaii Pigeon.
01:11:48.000And I'll just read a little bit from now.
01:11:52.000Normally, for example, you might hear, you might hear of something called, well, Charlie, let's go, you know, let's keep it surface level for folks.
01:12:00.000We all know you've got the thing memorized front to back, but let's keep it surface level.
01:16:59.000They go and be in charge of everything.
01:17:02.000The fish inside the ocean, the birds inside the sky, the animals, all the land, all the small kind animals that go around on top of the ground.
01:17:11.000So God make the people, same, same, just like one copy of him.
01:18:50.000They allow for things like gradiation.
01:18:52.000They allow for things like the various and key differences in many of the translations to come in.
01:19:00.000And so, Charlie, my, I'm just going to say it.
01:19:03.000Like, I'm literally just going to say it, that what I think you're doing here is you're actually lowering the status of the word by putting it into a language like this, quite frankly.
01:19:13.000And I think you're depriving it of meaning in many cases, and you are degrading it so much.
01:19:19.000So, if this is being done potentially as a way to help really and truly help a certain subset of people to put it to bring them into the fullness of Christ, that's one thing.
01:19:31.000But the idea that you wouldn't also be trying to help those people to fully understand even the Hawaiian language, by the way, the actual Hawaiian language, I think you're just going to miss so much in terms of the teaching.
01:19:44.000I think you're going to miss so much in terms of the moral guidance that the Bible and the New Testament gives, because I'm looking at some of these things and you can just tell that the way that they're, you know, and Blake, you know, you're looking at the translations.
01:19:56.000I've got it on you version, so you can do side by side.
01:20:01.000It's like basically, it's like when you read one of those, you know, simplified versions of articles, you know, there's different websites, they have simple versions.
01:20:08.000It's not the fullness of the actual teaching.
01:20:11.000And I feel like there's a lot lost that way.
01:20:12.000And I think it's worth highlighting that the Hawaiian language that the Hawaiians spoke, that was translated.
01:20:18.000There's a Bible translation for that from the 1800s.
01:20:21.000And of course, as we all know, the Bible is written up.
01:20:53.000You'll get two Bible scholars, three opinions.
01:20:57.000But what I think is unfortunately true here is it is true.
01:21:01.000It's just a pidgin language by its very nature is going to be a degraded form of a language that struggles to express concepts.
01:21:09.000And I do worry, you know, just our reaction to it does show the downsides of this, which is it is a faintly ridiculous thing.
01:21:16.000I mean, if people get saved through this, it's great.
01:21:18.000But it feels as if, I mean, I'm just going to be honest, if you learned English, I think John 3:16 is just more powerful than whatever that is.
01:21:38.000This is like when I, this is like when I, this is like when I talk to my kids.
01:21:41.000This is like when I explain to my toddlers various stories of the Bible.
01:21:47.000So, you know, I'm trying to impart them the lesson.
01:21:51.000I'm trying to impart them the wisdom that's coming through.
01:21:54.000But obviously, it's not going to be direct.
01:21:57.000So, and I'm teaching them that way because they're children and I'm trying to bring them into a general sense of right and wrong and teach them these basic concepts, teach them the basics of, you know, the nativity, for example, teach them the basics of some of the things that occurred throughout the Gospels, et cetera.
01:22:16.000But this is no way to talk to an adult.
01:24:44.000The official explanation for it was just there are they need it.
01:24:48.000And apparently people just ignore amber alerts unless they're for the allegation was people ignore amber alerts unless they're like cute blonde white children and otherwise people just like smash their phone with a hammer or something.
01:25:49.000That's the new app from the thought from thought crime.
01:25:53.000So the thought crime app, we should set up a new app for not just the shows, but when something comes out that's a thought crime, we can push a notification to everybody like a thought crime alert.
01:26:35.000Well, I mean, That's like if you were, that's like a 4chan thing that they tried to, that sounds like something that 4chan would do to like try to troll people into thinking was actually real to see if they could get like some stupid journalist to actually repeat it like they did with the okay symbol or like to get some stupid politician to actually repeat it, but one that actually went a little bit too far and ended up actually going into like the actual parlance.
01:27:01.000I mean, that's just like it sounds like a parody.
01:28:04.000Yeah, no, look, when it comes down to it, I think that when it comes to a lot of these issues, any of the stuff that we've talked about, we shouldn't always just argue about it as if it's in a vacuum.
01:28:15.000These things are actually happening to us, to conservatives, to white Christian males in the country at this very moment, not just the United States, but all across the West.
01:28:25.000So any conversation that we start having about how should we fight back should be about how do we win and how do we crush the people that are literally trying to put us behind bars and in some cases have us killed.
01:28:39.000So if you're not talking about that first, you talk about something else, I think you're just out of the conversation.