The Charlie Kirk Show - ThoughtCrime Ep. 2: The Sub Sinks, Hot Conservative Women, The Cis Cage Match, Real Raw News

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00:01:06.000 Okay, welcome to episode two of Thought Crime.

00:01:10.000 We are here in Phoenix, Arizona.

00:01:13.000 I assume you know who I am.

00:01:14.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.

00:01:16.000 Blake Neff made the rounds on the interwebs today.

00:01:20.000 Jack Pesobic is my co-host.

00:01:23.000 Jack, how are you doing?

00:01:25.000 I'm doing better than the United States Navy right now.

00:01:28.000 Well, we're going to let you dive into the conspiracy theory.

00:01:31.000 And Andrew is here.

00:01:31.000 Now, mind you, this is not a show like any other.

00:01:34.000 These are thought crimes.

00:01:35.000 So we will talk about some of the news of the day.

00:01:38.000 This is where we go a level deeper.

00:01:39.000 This is where we talk about smoke detectors.

00:01:42.000 Does physiology tell you anything in regards to politics?

00:01:46.000 And did JPMorgan intentionally sabotage the Titanic?

00:01:50.000 But most importantly, Jack, you want to catch our audience up to speed on the U.S. Navy and this Titanic sub.

00:01:58.000 What's going on?

00:01:59.000 Yeah, so just a few moments before this story or before we went live, and everyone heard, of course, this afternoon that the debris field and some of the major portions of this submarine, submersible, actually, it's not a submarine because it's not an independent driver under the ocean, was found.

00:02:18.000 The people had been killed.

00:02:19.000 It looked like there had been a catastrophic event.

00:02:21.000 And then some of us, look, I was in the U.S. Navy.

00:02:24.000 I worked in Sonar for a little bit.

00:02:26.000 And I remember thinking that it was more likely that there hadn't been a catastrophic event because the U.S. Navy hadn't said anything.

00:02:34.000 And there's, of course, this multi-million dollar rescue effort underway, the global Hail Mary, Daily Mail is all talking about it.

00:02:41.000 Well, we just got from the Wall Street Journal, and now it's in ABC, it's in Fox News, it's everywhere.

00:02:47.000 They're all telling us that actually, no, the U.S. Navy did pick this up on one of the SOSIS arrays that's laid out there on the seabed in the Atlantic.

00:02:56.000 These are the sub-trackers that we've had out since World War II looking for originally would have been U-boats, but now Russian subs all throughout the entire Cold War.

00:03:04.000 People are saying, oh, those are classified, et cetera.

00:03:07.000 They have a Wikipedia page, right?

00:03:08.000 It's not exactly the biggest secret in the world.

00:03:10.000 And so they heard this thing on Sunday.

00:03:15.000 The U.S. Navy knew about this.

00:03:18.000 People like Dan Crenshaw were out there.

00:03:21.000 Credit where it's due.

00:03:21.000 Dan Crenshaw has been tweeting up a storm saying, you know, it seems like the Coast Guard isn't putting its most capable devices, most capable vessels out on this.

00:03:31.000 They have stuff that's very easy to recover people.

00:03:35.000 They haven't put it out yet.

00:03:36.000 Why is it still sitting in dock?

00:03:38.000 They're telling people there's a search area the size of Connecticut, but that's not what my sources are saying.

00:03:42.000 So Crenshaw is a huge W for him.

00:03:45.000 Why would they lie?

00:03:47.000 Well, the significance, I mean, I suppose there are a couple of reasons, but I can certainly think, I mean, you might say, all right, we were not sure.

00:03:54.000 Could have been another submersible that exploded underwater at the exact same time that this went under.

00:04:00.000 But of course, that's obviously quite far-fetched.

00:04:02.000 There was only one known to be operating in the area.

00:04:04.000 We haven't heard any information about other submersibles in the area.

00:04:07.000 But obviously, this came at a week that was full of horrible news for President Biden, particularly related to his son.

00:04:16.000 They had a huge plea deal that he had to know was coming down.

00:04:19.000 These charges that they knew were coming down.

00:04:21.000 They were in the final stages.

00:04:22.000 And then today there was a whistleblower that came out on Hunter Biden.

00:04:25.000 And look, I'm not usually one of those people who say, why are we focused on one story?

00:04:30.000 Because it's a distraction from something else.

00:04:32.000 That's like the last thing I ever said.

00:04:34.000 Jack, I got to make sure I understand.

00:04:35.000 And Blake, feel free to be my sidekick in the devil's advocate.

00:04:40.000 I'll be the devil on your shoulder.

00:04:41.000 Thank you.

00:04:42.000 So I just want to make sure I understand the theory of Jack.

00:04:44.000 So you're trying to say that Joe Biden received the U.S. Navy intelligence and said, let's hold on this to create unnecessary suspense as a multi-day psy up so that people won't talk about my son, Blake.

00:04:58.000 I find that pretty unlikely.

00:04:59.000 I just think that's a level of micromanagement that is pretty unlikely in the news.

00:05:04.000 And if anything, it's our own fault.

00:05:06.000 Like if you go to Fox News, they're still leading with all of the sub stuff.

00:05:10.000 And if we, I think we allow ourselves to, as people who consume a lot of news, I think it's way too easy for us to assume any story that's on the news has to be somehow related to any other story.

00:05:23.000 And just as someone who's worked in the news before, it doesn't really work that way.

00:05:27.000 It's hard enough covering everything without trying to like decide, oh, we need to push this story to distract from this story or to complement this story.

00:05:36.000 It just doesn't really work.

00:05:37.000 What is another explanation, Jack?

00:05:38.000 They were just waiting for debris and confirmation.

00:05:41.000 They didn't want to be wrong.

00:05:43.000 Right.

00:05:43.000 No.

00:05:43.000 Well, Blake, we're not talking about the media's focus on the story.

00:05:47.000 We're talking about the government withholding information.

00:05:49.000 So what you're saying is the media decided to run with it.

00:05:52.000 Of course, you're going to run with this.

00:05:53.000 This is one of those stories.

00:05:54.000 It's human interest.

00:05:54.000 It's like a kid being caught in the well.

00:05:56.000 It's like miners in Argentina or Chile.

00:05:58.000 It's like the cave-in in Thailand that even Elon Musk famously got involved in a couple of years back.

00:06:02.000 There's a movie about this.

00:06:05.000 My point is, though, is that there was credible information from Sunday that this thing had suffered a catastrophic implosion within a couple hours of even knowing that it was lost.

00:06:17.000 And that information was withheld.

00:06:19.000 And we get these drips and drabs from, again, official sources saying, oh, we're hearing taps every 30 minutes.

00:06:25.000 Oh, it's the size of Connecticut, et cetera, et cetera, while they were sitting on this information all along.

00:06:30.000 Well, I think Charlie's point is a good one, which is just that if they're coming out with that, they're essentially saying we believe they're dead.

00:06:39.000 And they may have wanted to find debris to make it more of a confirmed thing so they don't rob people of hope while there is still at least some hope out there.

00:06:49.000 And I think you'll see that.

00:06:50.000 You'll see that with other stories if you pay attention.

00:06:52.000 Sometimes they'll delay before they release like really downbeat information.

00:06:56.000 So the more interesting part of this, though, that I want to dive into is, Blake, you lived through Titanic.

00:07:02.000 Dive.

00:07:02.000 Dive into?

00:07:03.000 We'll dive into how many puns can we use to go underneath, to dive into something else?

00:07:08.000 We're going deep.

00:07:08.000 We're going to submerge ourselves into to make sure we can handle the pressure of the story.

00:07:14.000 How many other puns can we touch on?

00:07:16.000 Make sure you subscribe to us on Rumble.

00:07:19.000 Subscribe?

00:07:21.000 That's a good one.

00:07:22.000 But Blake, you lived through the Titanic mania, and now it's back, by the way, right?

00:07:27.000 It's back.

00:07:27.000 It's back to the max.

00:07:29.000 And so I think the movie is average at best.

00:07:32.000 I don't think it's a very good film at all.

00:07:35.000 And I think that's a thought crime.

00:07:37.000 Do we have the song, which I think is one of the most overrated scenes in movie history?

00:07:41.000 I don't think Leonard DiCaprio is that good of an actor.

00:07:43.000 I think he gets better throughout his career.

00:07:45.000 I think he whines too much in this movie.

00:07:46.000 Yeah, let's play it.

00:07:47.000 With the sound on all right, they gotta keep it going.

00:08:08.000 You just got you just gotta keep it going.

00:08:12.000 No, no, no, you just gotta keep it.

00:08:14.000 That is how I-huh.

00:08:16.000 Is this Celine Dion?

00:08:18.000 I think it is.

00:08:19.000 What?

00:08:20.000 Oh, yes, it is.

00:08:22.000 Yeah, Celine Dion, right?

00:08:24.000 I don't even Google that.

00:08:25.000 That was just from memory.

00:08:26.000 That's impressive, right?

00:08:29.000 Culture.

00:08:32.000 Just gotta let it go until you just want to pound the table.

00:08:37.000 I've been there for a while.

00:08:47.000 All right, we're good.

00:08:48.000 Okay, so, Andrew, do you have strong opinions about the Titanic film?

00:08:55.000 You know, I'm old enough to have lived through it as well, and it was unlike any other movie in my lifetime.

00:09:04.000 It really was.

00:09:04.000 I mean, the thing was in theaters for weeks and weeks and weeks.

00:09:08.000 Honestly, I'm a little sad that this generation will never experience, I think, a movie like that because it, I mean, I'm not a huge fan of the movie.

00:09:17.000 I'm going to be really honest with you.

00:09:18.000 Jack let go.

00:09:20.000 You know, she let go of Jack.

00:09:21.000 Jack floats to the bottom.

00:09:22.000 He said, don't let go.

00:09:23.000 And by the way, the damn doors, pardon my French, was big enough to float on for both of them.

00:09:28.000 I get very frustrated about that.

00:09:30.000 That has been thoroughly litigated by the YouTube mafia, but please continue.

00:09:33.000 Yes.

00:09:33.000 No, absolutely.

00:09:34.000 So besides those facts, I mean, it was a cultural phenomenon.

00:09:38.000 And, you know, I've seen a ton of memes we all have about this, which I think is actually kind of the heart of this topic.

00:09:47.000 It's like this pretty crazy adventure industry made for rich people.

00:09:55.000 And they take their lives into their own hands to do these crazy things.

00:09:59.000 And in this instance, this is a five-person submarine.

00:10:04.000 It was not spherical, which would have been the preferred shape, the more stable shape, but they made it a sphere or rather a cylinder, right?

00:10:14.000 Cylinder so that they could fit passengers in it.

00:10:16.000 Could not stand up.

00:10:18.000 You could not move around.

00:10:19.000 They had one toilet that was separated by a curtain.

00:10:22.000 Exactly.

00:10:23.000 Exactly.

00:10:24.000 One person could extend their legs at any one time.

00:10:28.000 So.

00:10:29.000 Yeah.

00:10:29.000 No, exactly.

00:10:30.000 So the point is, this whole thing was fairly crazy.

00:10:34.000 And now we're getting reports from people that had survived these previous dives.

00:10:41.000 And they're saying, I'm lucky to be alive.

00:10:43.000 I was fortunate.

00:10:45.000 This is, you know, so, anyways, this, this whole thing, I think, brings up a larger issue of is this morally questionable to do this?

00:10:54.000 And a lot of people, I think you asked this question on Twitter, Charlie, and a lot of people are saying, I don't care what they do with their own money.

00:11:00.000 You know, at least you're going to go out this way.

00:11:03.000 Now that we know that they probably died right when they lost communication, that the hole imploded, or maybe it was on Sunday.

00:11:11.000 I mean, I actually feel better about it because to think about being in your life.

00:11:15.000 But here's something.

00:11:16.000 I've had the opportunity to, and I still do, to spend time around some very, very rich people.

00:11:22.000 And when you spend time, I'm talking about multi-billionaires.

00:11:25.000 What you realize is they basically just, a lot of them watch TV all day long.

00:11:30.000 Is that not incorrect, Blake?

00:11:32.000 A shocking number of them do, in fact, just watch a lot of TV or just have, it makes you feel good about yourself.

00:11:37.000 You're like, okay, what?

00:11:38.000 Am I missing out on anything by not being super rich?

00:11:41.000 It's not everybody who's rich, but there is a burden of boredom that sometimes sets in.

00:11:48.000 And you have to, some people compensate that boredom by finding weird political causes like the Lorene Powell jobs or doing extraordinarily goofy things, like going into like a makeshift submarine to go see the Titanic because it'll give you better cocktail party conversation.

00:12:04.000 And it pretty much is just that because think about what this sub was.

00:12:08.000 It had like a viewing portal that was supposedly large, but it wasn't that big.

00:12:12.000 And the main way they actually viewed the Titanic when it isn't imploding is it was like a computer view screen.

00:12:20.000 So you could just be on a boat and you could send a sub and look at it on a computer.

00:12:24.000 You could also send an unmanned sub and watch it on maybe a VR headset.

00:12:27.000 You could watch like an AE documentary about the Titanic and you'd see just as much of the Titanic.

00:12:32.000 So it really is like just the, I'm going to pay $250,000 to say like I was physically near the Titanic and now it seems they will be physically near the Titanic forever.

00:12:42.000 So now the most important part of the conversation, which is Jack, how do you believe the original Titanic sinking has some suspicious aura to it?

00:12:53.000 JP Morgan, Federal Reserve, World Banking cartel, Jack.

00:12:59.000 I mean, look, in that day and age, there's definitely a lot easier ways to take out people than blowing up an entire ship.

00:13:07.000 That being said, obviously there is a line in the movie that kind of refers to this because there were members of the Titanic's crew that were involved in what led to the creation of the Federal Reserve.

00:13:21.000 There's an awful amount of suspicious activity.

00:13:23.000 So, Andrew, is it just fair to admit the Titanic is filled with sea demons and no one should get close to it?

00:13:28.000 Is that basically the takeaway here?

00:13:30.000 I still don't understand how the whole darn thing doesn't just collapse under the weight of the ocean.

00:13:35.000 Right, I know it's probably talking about it's because it sank, so it's got equalized.

00:13:40.000 Oh, you mean the actual wreckage of Titanic?

00:13:43.000 Ryan did some sort of thing because if you have a deep.

00:13:47.000 Yeah, it's an open system, is what they're saying because the water can go inside.

00:13:52.000 You know, it's not like a cylinder of a submarine that has pressure on all sides.

00:13:57.000 The submarine is filled with air and like the water wants to get in and push out the air.

00:14:00.000 And so that's why you have to design it.

00:14:02.000 But the Titanic just filled with water.

00:14:04.000 It's fully flooded.

00:14:04.000 So the pressure is, it's in equal directions.

00:14:07.000 Like it's facing just as much pressure in all directions.

00:14:10.000 And so there's nothing to like implode upon.

00:14:14.000 But it's still rustled.

00:14:15.000 No, go ahead.

00:14:16.000 You can play in a pool and you have like a cup or a bowl and you sort of like press it down on the top of the water and it retains the air, right?

00:14:22.000 But then if you turn it, it flips upside down.

00:14:25.000 This is the same exact concept, just at massive, massive scale.

00:14:30.000 But Jack, there were stories from previous launches of this submarine that they would land on the hull of the Titanic.

00:14:40.000 They would land the vessel on the hull.

00:14:42.000 And I'm thinking to myself, this thing's janky.

00:14:45.000 You and I were showing or sharing the Daily Mail articles where there was the ballasts had fallen off on a previous launch and they reattached them with zip ties.

00:14:56.000 So I mean, I don't know about you, but this thing was a walking, you know, floating, sinking, disaster waiting to happen.

00:15:06.000 And the fact that they are landing it on the hull of the Titanic to me is just insane.

00:15:11.000 But you think about it, what does this thing and the original Titanic have in common?

00:15:15.000 Rich people that wanted to have something that others could not.

00:15:20.000 It's the same thing.

00:15:21.000 You know, is it not?

00:15:22.000 To play Devil's Advocate, you could probably, I bet there's an alternate universe where you could say like Charles Lindbergh's flight over the Atlantic was like really foolhardy.

00:15:30.000 Like, oh, one guy is going to, with his homemade plane, is going, not 100% homemade, but, you know, in a shop, and he's going to fly over the Atlantic by himself.

00:15:39.000 And, you know, there's an alternate universe where Lindbergh just crashes and dies and everyone's like, but that would that would have broke a record or something, right?

00:15:46.000 It was, it was a prize.

00:15:48.000 You basically could win a million dollars or something if you were the first person to fly over.

00:15:51.000 It's the exact opposite.

00:15:52.000 They paid their money to there was no upside except pride.

00:15:56.000 Yeah, but you know, we're, we're advancing.

00:15:58.000 You, you advance human civilization by making it cheaper and more advancing our ability to do dumb tourism things.

00:16:06.000 Yeah, I mean, I just go ahead, Jack.

00:16:09.000 I was going to say, I think Blake is right in a sense, right?

00:16:12.000 Because obviously there is something to be said about the human spirit and exploration.

00:16:17.000 I think that's where this comes from.

00:16:18.000 I don't necessarily think that this was pushing beyond the frontiers of human knowledge or human experience.

00:16:25.000 But at the same time, we know that eventually we would like to get back to the point where we're pushing out further into space, where we're understanding more about the ocean depths.

00:16:34.000 But, you know, kind of a thought I had earlier when even just thinking about the show that we're on here, we're calling this thought crime, right?

00:16:42.000 So these guys, were they pushing boundaries and were they taking on risks in a sense personally?

00:16:47.000 Yes.

00:16:48.000 But they were always doing so within the confines of their own walled garden, within the confines of their own, you know, the nursery of the longhouse, if you will, right?

00:16:58.000 And then one day they find themselves in the jungle.

00:17:00.000 But, you know, you take a guy like that and yeah, they'll spend money to go down on this rickety submarine, which, and we interviewed a guy today who said this thing wouldn't have even been certified to operate in U.S. waters.

00:17:11.000 That's why they had to do it out in international waters.

00:17:13.000 But you go and have them, okay, would they talk publicly, though, about any of the topics that we're going to get into tonight, any of the topics that we got into last week, any of the topics that we talk about on a regular basis?

00:17:26.000 God forbid they post something about going up against transgender orthodoxy or any of the orthodoxies that were forced to talk about inner city crime, any of the various things that you're just supposed to be quiet about.

00:17:39.000 They would be completely unwilling to take that risk, even though they were willing to take a risk that ultimately ended in their own deaths.

00:17:47.000 Is it healthy to have your richest people spend their money, time, and resources doing things for their own delight and kind of ignoring some of the, I don't know, more pressing issues of humanity?

00:17:59.000 I mean, the question, I mean, or is it, hey, I'd rather have Jeff Bezos launching rockets in space than Bill Gates trying to create weird, creepy vaccines that change our DNA?

00:18:12.000 I look, what can I say?

00:18:15.000 I'm a believer in the good of the country.

00:18:17.000 I'm a patriot.

00:18:18.000 I think that we should absolutely be pushing the boundaries of science.

00:18:23.000 And I think that it's something as a national project that we seem to have lost.

00:18:28.000 We seem to have lost this idea of a national purpose, a national ethos, if you will, to the point where people with money, do what you were saying earlier, they're just kind of sitting around watching TV thinking about what to do.

00:18:40.000 All right.

00:18:41.000 I have a question, though.

00:18:43.000 And we all know about them.

00:18:44.000 And we've been like wondering how much we can share.

00:18:47.000 But the meme economy has gotten a massive infusion because of the Titanic, the Titans up.

00:18:55.000 All right.

00:18:56.000 We all secretly laugh a little bit when we see them because some of them are really funny.

00:19:02.000 Obviously, this is a tragedy.

00:19:03.000 Nobody's laughing at the loss of life.

00:19:05.000 But honest question, why did this spark so many memes?

00:19:09.000 And I think we have a couple of them here.

00:19:11.000 I mean, people are sharing them.

00:19:12.000 They're creating them.

00:19:14.000 Why is that even happening?

00:19:15.000 I think it's a really valid question.

00:19:17.000 This about this entire segment, just for the record, never, never laugh about something like this.

00:19:21.000 Well, it's because it's hard to have sympathy for a bunch of really rich people doing something dumb that they willingly signed up for and ignored all the warnings.

00:19:30.000 It's actually a classic tragic comedy.

00:19:33.000 Like it is sad they died, but everything about this is absurd.

00:19:36.000 They went in in this rickety boat that we now have a ton of people coming out and saying this thing was a death trap.

00:19:42.000 And like, and weird little details like, you know, it's driven with a video game controller.

00:19:42.000 Yes.

00:19:48.000 And then, you know, the CEO with his weird remarks like, you know, oh, 55-year-old submarine veterans are not inspiring.

00:19:55.000 So we need 25-year-old college graduates to drive this.

00:19:59.000 And all of that, all of that is perfectly set up for a tragic comedy.

00:20:02.000 Like, you can easily imagine a movie being made about this someday.

00:20:07.000 And yes, it's.

00:20:08.000 But there's also something to say that they signed up for this.

00:20:11.000 This was not just like they were walking on the side of the street and fell into a well.

00:20:16.000 Or, I mean, they went into this with a fair amount of agency and agreement.

00:20:22.000 And so it's a tragedy.

00:20:24.000 At the same time, here they are bragging about all the woke elements of their personnel selection.

00:20:29.000 Yeah, it's some of it.

00:20:31.000 It's like it's like if you die riding in a barrel over Niagara Falls, as a lot of people, as a lot of people have done, actually.

00:20:39.000 Some survived.

00:20:40.000 Some survived.

00:20:41.000 I think the first person who did it survived.

00:20:43.000 Didn't Houdini do that successfully once?

00:20:45.000 I think he did, right?

00:20:46.000 He might have.

00:20:47.000 And one person actually went over Niagara Falls in a bizarre control.

00:20:51.000 The woman did.

00:20:51.000 You know what?

00:20:52.000 What was her name?

00:20:52.000 The woman who went over Niagara Falls.

00:20:55.000 Annie something.

00:20:56.000 Her name was Annie.

00:20:57.000 I'm drawing it from memory.

00:20:57.000 Hold on.

00:20:59.000 No, no, no, it's Annie Taylor.

00:21:02.000 It's Annie Taylor.

00:21:03.000 I'm 90% sure.

00:21:04.000 Annie Edson Taylor.

00:21:07.000 Annie Taylor.

00:21:08.000 I was right.

00:21:08.000 Yeah.

00:21:09.000 It's drawing from memory.

00:21:10.000 Annie Taylor.

00:21:11.000 Whenever you mention a woman at Niagara, it makes me think of the fantastic film noir movie Niagara with Marilyn Monroe, which is absolutely her best movie by far.

00:21:22.000 I'll watch that anytime it's on.

00:21:23.000 So speaking of people that used to be considered the embodiment of perfect beauty, there is a new study out.

00:21:31.000 And look, you just got to trust the science.

00:21:33.000 Studies say the studies have spoken.

00:21:39.000 And it's very clear.

00:21:40.000 And if you disagree, you're anti-science.

00:21:43.000 In fact, you probably hate yourself.

00:21:45.000 We have this article up, by the way.

00:21:46.000 Yes, the article is up on what?

00:21:49.000 It's on Eevee magazine.

00:21:51.000 Evie.

00:21:51.000 Yes.

00:21:52.000 I posted this and it just started to go everywhere.

00:21:57.000 And it shouldn't surprise anybody, right?

00:21:59.000 This is stuff that a lot of people know, but it's worth some exploration.

00:22:03.000 But now the science speaks very clearly to it.

00:22:07.000 And it's very simple.

00:22:09.000 Attractive women are more likely to be right-wing when they have a paywall, really?

00:22:17.000 I can't even read the rest of the headlines.

00:22:19.000 I have some of it.

00:22:19.000 So attractive women were more likely to be right-wing while left-wing women showed more contempt, according to study.

00:22:27.000 Now, this has gone very viral, and I'd say 90% of people agree with me.

00:22:32.000 Of course, my comment was, we already knew this.

00:22:35.000 Andrew, this is a fact of life, isn't it?

00:22:39.000 Charlie, your tweet has inspired, I mean, I think you're at like 65,000 likes on this tweet now or something.

00:22:48.000 And most of the comments are like, we already knew this, absolutely.

00:22:52.000 But there's definitely a number of people saying, like, oh, liberal women are way hotter and you conservative men are too rigid and things like this.

00:23:01.000 I think it's a fascinating concept.

00:23:03.000 I will tell you that when we did the Young Women's Leadership Summit, that was actually a bit, and that was in Dallas like, what, like a week ago?

00:23:11.000 I can't even remember our weeks anymore.

00:23:12.000 It's two weeks ago.

00:23:13.000 That was a big topic of discussion that the girls were like, you know, they think we're conservative and we're handmade stale and all this kind of stuff, but we are fashion forward.

00:23:21.000 And I can just tell you that I am married to a conservative woman.

00:23:26.000 She is happy.

00:23:27.000 She is joyous.

00:23:29.000 She is faith-filled.

00:23:32.000 I got only anecdotal experience to say that the study is, in fact, accurate.

00:23:37.000 It doesn't mean, by the way, this is what's funny.

00:23:40.000 So, on your Twitter thread, Charlie, you'll have the libs showing pictures of like not so attractive women at Trump rallies, and then you'll have the conservatives throwing like blue-haired trannies and this sort of thing as a counterpoint, and it's hit for tat, and it's really funny.

00:23:56.000 People have to understand what a statistic means.

00:23:59.000 There is a distribution, the studies say, yeah, there's a distribution.

00:24:04.000 It's not saying that all conservative women are attractive or all liberal women are unattractive, it's saying more likely than not, right?

00:24:13.000 So, let's just there can be attractive women on both sides, but it's science.

00:24:19.000 I don't know what that is.

00:24:20.000 The key takeaway here: the key takeaway here is it's been studied, so now we know what the science is, and we need to suppress any disagreement as misinformation.

00:24:29.000 That is the precedent that we've established.

00:24:32.000 I mean, this thing went bonkers on Instagram.

00:24:34.000 121,000 people liked my post on Instagram, and the comments are just unbelievable, right?

00:24:39.000 Tell us something we don't know.

00:24:40.000 I've been saying this for years, but Jack, is there something to say that you kind of end up looking or embodying what you believe?

00:24:48.000 If you believe in nasty and ugly stuff, does it eventually impact your physiology?

00:24:54.000 Oh, 100%.

00:24:55.000 You know, I'm a big believer in that.

00:24:58.000 And I mean, look, I think we've all come to realize that in the last couple, here's a thought crime: in the last couple of years, let's say the last decade or so, if you've been paying attention, as the country has become more political, as the national pastime has moved from it used to be baseball, now I would argue that America's national pastime is politics.

00:25:18.000 We love politics, we can't get enough of politics.

00:25:20.000 We don't talk about anything but politics, obviously, which is good for us from a business perspective.

00:25:24.000 But here we are.

00:25:26.000 That you can actually tell someone's politics by looking at them, and you're going to guess that more right than wrong just by looking at someone.

00:25:36.000 I guarantee.

00:25:37.000 And I'm not just talking about the people.

00:25:38.000 Jack, are you talking about the prejudicing people?

00:25:41.000 No, it's not prejudice.

00:25:43.000 It's called pattern recognition.

00:25:45.000 It's called pattern recognition.

00:25:47.000 That if I see some, because I'm not talking about the blue hairs and the purple hairs and the rest, even though occasionally that works out.

00:25:55.000 I'm just saying that averages do we have to do?

00:25:56.000 Okay, let's just start with that.

00:25:58.000 Anecdotes don't disclose.

00:26:00.000 Let's start with men.

00:26:00.000 We can get to women in a second.

00:26:02.000 But I think we would agree that if you see a guy with a strong BMI and he's jacked and yoked, and do you really think he's going to be on the liberal side of the distribution?

00:26:15.000 I mean, almost every single person.

00:26:17.000 No, of course.

00:26:18.000 Why is that, Jack?

00:26:19.000 Why is it that like the Huberman bros and the Atia mob tend to be like 80 to 90% right-wingers?

00:26:28.000 Yeah, and it's funny because studies will come out and say that.

00:26:31.000 They say, oh, you know, I think Vice has this article up, this headline from like 2015 or something, say, saying, are you working out?

00:26:38.000 And, you know, working out can increase your testosterone and it can cause you to become more inherently right-wing.

00:26:44.000 And now you could go through the physiological argument of this and say that if you are more willing to defend yourself than you are more or capable of defending yourself and know that you are, then you will become more inherently independent-minded as opposed to someone who is unable to defend themselves, who then becomes a seeker of consensus, because that type of person is always going to look for the safety of the herd.

00:27:08.000 106.

00:27:09.000 Let's play cut 106, and I want to get Blake's comments on this.

00:27:12.000 Play cut 106.

00:27:13.000 Do you want to know one of the saddest realizations I recently had was that as a liberal woman, it is really hard to find a man who is willing to play the more traditional masculine role in the relationship in today's day and age.

00:27:28.000 Who is not a conservative?

00:27:30.000 A man who wants to pay on the first save, who wants to open your door, who has that want and desire to take care of you and to provide.

00:27:38.000 Who is not a conservative?

00:27:40.000 Blake.

00:27:41.000 Well, if you don't, if you do any of those masculine things she wants, you're going to like, you're basically going to be like denounced as like a creep or a predator or like some weird sexist thing.

00:27:50.000 Like they'll call you a bunch of names and then they're like, why does nobody do this?

00:27:56.000 And to get back to the point, though, on why, you know, things like even like working out might make you more conservative.

00:28:04.000 I don't think it's just about testosterone.

00:28:06.000 I think one big element of it is exercise is probably one of the habits you can have where there's the most direct link between effort and outcome.

00:28:17.000 That if you do this and diet, diet there.

00:28:20.000 And diet too.

00:28:20.000 If you do this, you will get what you deserve.

00:28:24.000 And a lot of things in life are less direct than that.

00:28:27.000 Like economic job prospects, that can all be wild.

00:28:30.000 Yes.

00:28:30.000 But it's one of the few things where the variables and the formula can be so precisely controlled by your will and your effort.

00:28:38.000 Exactly.

00:28:38.000 And, you know, so then it's sort of studies show if you believe that your own behavior is the key factor in your life outcomes, you have better life outcomes.

00:28:48.000 And you're also more likely to be conservative.

00:28:50.000 And you're more likely to be conservative.

00:28:51.000 And so it's like if you, if you do this in your personal life with exercise, you're going to come away being like, wait, if this is true for exercise and lifting weights, why wouldn't it be true for everything else in my life?

00:29:04.000 And, you know, in the economy and in like whether you go to jail or not, like your personal decisions are what matter.

00:29:10.000 And that's a conservative perspective.

00:29:12.000 All right.

00:29:13.000 But Blake, you brought up a thought crime of your own when we were texting about this.

00:29:19.000 You said, question.

00:29:21.000 So if liberal women are the ones that are more likely to be have contempt and be angry and bitter or whatever, what is the male equivalent?

00:29:35.000 Who are more, are conservative men more likely to be happy or angry and bitter?

00:29:40.000 Yeah, I'm not sure if it's like overall, like if there's a lot of studies that say on this or not, but obviously there's definitely a subculture of like very angry online, like right-wing male.

00:29:52.000 And it is very easy for them to fall into these like bitterness cascades with like very, very, yeah, the black pill culture, chuds, I think they sometimes call them now on Twitter and on the interwebs.

00:30:08.000 You can get like cartoons here.

00:30:09.000 Let me bring up a chud just so we can have everyone understand this.

00:30:15.000 No, but put it on the screen.

00:30:16.000 I think generally though, if you embrace the idea that you are to blame for most of your problems, then you will end up on the center right.

00:30:26.000 That generally on the center left, they believe that they're a byproduct of somebody else's decisions or impact, that they don't have free will, they don't have agency, they don't have the capacity to improve their life.

00:30:39.000 Okay, okay.

00:30:40.000 Bring it up on our screen.

00:30:42.000 We have this is what a chud is.

00:30:44.000 You have it on the oh, on the on the laptop.

00:30:47.000 Yeah, let's put it up.

00:30:50.000 Let's see what this is.

00:30:52.000 Ah, yes, mouth breather.

00:30:54.000 But I think this is, this is usually used as a like angry right-wing guy on the internet, and they call them, they call them chuds.

00:31:00.000 Billions must die, as they, as they say.

00:31:04.000 Who says that?

00:31:06.000 Allegedly, this person, this chud.

00:31:08.000 They'll be stewing on the internet, and they'll be like, everything sucks.

00:31:11.000 We need to change the world.

00:31:12.000 Well, change the world.

00:31:13.000 We need to burn it all down.

00:31:14.000 Billions must die.

00:31:17.000 That is a stereotypical.

00:31:20.000 Yeah, it's like the phrase that's associated with the meme.

00:31:23.000 Is there something to be said?

00:31:24.000 Yeah, is there something to be said that uglier people have contempt and they're just less happy?

00:31:32.000 There is a phrase for this.

00:31:33.000 And I was just going to bring it up because Urban Dictionary has it.

00:31:36.000 And Blake, I'm sure you've heard of this one.

00:31:38.000 This is definitely a thought crime.

00:31:40.000 So we're going to throw it in there because this term is called bio-Leninism.

00:31:44.000 Bio-Leninism.

00:31:45.000 Bio-Leninism.

00:31:46.000 Yeah, I'm familiar with this one.

00:31:48.000 Bio-Leninism is this concept.

00:31:52.000 Can I explain it?

00:31:53.000 Because I'll feel really smart if I nail it without having to look at it.

00:31:57.000 All right, you go for it.

00:31:59.000 Bio-Leninism is this concept.

00:32:01.000 It was in a blog post, must be almost like six or seven years old at this point.

00:32:04.000 But it's this idea that the regime, as we call it, you know, the dominant sort of woke liberal regime, it's built on this sort of bedrock of essentially like freaks and weirdos and useless people.

00:32:19.000 So you're your classic mega-obese, tatted-up, mentally ill disaster.

00:32:25.000 And these people are fanatically loyal to the regime because this is the only system that would ever give them any status.

00:32:33.000 Like no, no man will, if they're a woman, no man will ever be interested in them.

00:32:37.000 No one wants to work with them.

00:32:38.000 Like Serene Jean-Pierre.

00:32:40.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:32:41.000 And they're so unpleasant.

00:32:42.000 The only system that would ever give them status is this one.

00:32:45.000 And as long as we have a lot of those people, they're just this, they're the, you know, the janissaries of this, of this regime.

00:32:51.000 They'll do anything for it.

00:32:52.000 They will kill people.

00:32:53.000 Like Levine, Dylan Mulvaney.

00:32:55.000 Levine, transgender people are the perfect bio-Leninists.

00:32:59.000 So the luggage thief.

00:33:01.000 Yes, Sam Brinton.

00:33:02.000 The Demetrioakus, the monkeypox, czark, Jack.

00:33:05.000 The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.

00:33:07.000 Right.

00:33:07.000 No, so Blake, you nailed it.

00:33:09.000 Bioleninism, urban dictionary.com.

00:33:11.000 The concept that social strife is driven by the inequality in looks among individuals of the species.

00:33:18.000 Looks and thus proper sexualization leads to productive societies.

00:33:22.000 Unattractive looks leads to aggressive social failure and or overcompensation through toxic displays of masculinity among men, incels, while among women it leads to aggressive politics and promoting social discord.

00:33:34.000 Bio-Leninism oftentimes gets confused with communism when in fact modern-day bio-Leninists with their disruptive unaesthetic appearances simply co-opt communism as a way to express their discontent with their genetic ostracization.

00:33:48.000 So basically that's what you're saying, Blake, is that they're co-opting the system as a way to deal with their inability to achieve status.

00:33:56.000 Yes.

00:33:57.000 And I think the original blog post gets more into it beyond just like, you know, innate appearance.

00:34:03.000 It's that there's obviously a lot of people who become like very repulsive because they're, you know, they're very delusional or they're very mentally unwell.

00:34:10.000 And the system actually encourages this because if you expand the number of people who are very mentally unwell and very, you know, who are dependent on the system to give them any status, any economic standing whatsoever, they'll be more loyal to it.

00:34:25.000 And I don't know that it's that this is deliberate that anyone designed this, but I think there is an argument to be made that this dynamic does prop the system up.

00:34:34.000 Like we have a lot of people who need the current system of like mass censorship, mass like ideological control, because like for example, with transgender people, that's the only system that keeps everyone from going like, wait a minute, you're a crazy person in a dress.

00:34:49.000 And Sam Brinton really needs this system to have everyone to have ever have a chance of any news article calling him a hero and not this creep who was clearly stealing women's clothes for apparently like a decade.

00:35:02.000 Andrew.

00:35:04.000 Well, I mean, I get really pretty basic about this.

00:35:07.000 My buddy gave me this expression, a liberal, mind you.

00:35:11.000 He said that hipsters are just ugly people trying to look cool.

00:35:17.000 And that, to me, basically sums it up.

00:35:19.000 It's like whenever you see somebody that is intentionally looking grungy with holes everywhere, and they're trying to look hard and they're trying to look, you know, progressive.

00:35:27.000 I mean, I think it's, you know, I'm not saying all hipsters are ugly.

00:35:30.000 I'm just saying distribution anecdotally, that's been my experience.

00:35:36.000 It's a lot of people that are fronting.

00:35:39.000 And so I guess I agree with what Blake's saying.

00:35:42.000 This Leninism, it makes sense to me because otherwise we would all just call a spade a spade and maybe we're all captive to it and we don't even realize how much we're captive to this and how much we play along with it.

00:35:52.000 I think half of the conservative battle in the last like three or four years has been waking up to the fact that we're all being subjugated by this word game, by this ideological premise that we just basically have to reject.

00:36:04.000 Like Charlie, you tweeted something actually about you said it was assigned at birth.

00:36:10.000 This has become a thing that we've just like agreed to lately.

00:36:13.000 Assigned at birth is it that's not a thing.

00:36:16.000 It's like a logical fallacy.

00:36:17.000 You're not assigned at birth.

00:36:19.000 You're born and you either have male parts or you have female parts.

00:36:23.000 Sex is observed at birth.

00:36:24.000 It's not assigned at birth.

00:36:26.000 Yeah, but this is, but this is like a regime.

00:36:29.000 Like when you start waking up to this, how insidious and how all-encompassing it actually is, you realize how beholden you've become to all of their rules and all of their games.

00:36:41.000 And all of a sudden you start thinking hipsters look attractive.

00:36:43.000 And it's like, that's not true.

00:36:46.000 They're just literally trying to look cool.

00:36:48.000 And we're all sort of subject to it.

00:36:50.000 And hipsters, you know, I'm dating myself here.

00:36:52.000 I don't think hipsters are a thing anymore.

00:36:53.000 Is it Jack?

00:36:54.000 Well, I don't know.

00:36:54.000 It's a loose.

00:36:55.000 No, it is, unfortunately.

00:36:56.000 It is.

00:36:58.000 It's still definitely a thing.

00:37:00.000 And, you know, Andrew, kind of near your stomping grounds, and I would think that just kind of the average person in Santa Barbara in Isla Vista is like kind of in that archetype of there's a lot of bro culture in Isla Vista.

00:37:17.000 People don't appreciate this topic.

00:37:20.000 It's too hot there to wear flannel all the time, though.

00:37:23.000 Portland.

00:37:24.000 The winter is cold.

00:37:25.000 Let's go.

00:37:26.000 People don't appreciate how cold it doesn't stay.

00:37:28.000 Portland.

00:37:30.000 I went to school in Seattle and it was like all hipsters.

00:37:30.000 But here's the thing.

00:37:33.000 And then I lived in Silver Lake in Los Angeles, which was all hips.

00:37:39.000 It was literally the, it was the Williamsburg of the West Coast when I lived there.

00:37:44.000 And I kid you not, I have never been around a more just like frustratingly anti-social group of people.

00:37:52.000 Like there's no waving, there's no smiles.

00:37:55.000 Everybody has to act way too cool for their own good all the time.

00:37:59.000 And it was, you know, I came from Venice Beach before that when I was living at Venice Beach.

00:38:02.000 Everybody was happy by the beach.

00:38:04.000 And it's not like they were conservative or liberal.

00:38:04.000 I don't know.

00:38:07.000 It was just sort of like this subculture that had to be angry.

00:38:10.000 Is Jack one of the reasons why this story received such anger from the left is that we're implying objective beauty standards?

00:38:19.000 Hmm.

00:38:20.000 Well, that's exactly right.

00:38:21.000 Anytime you want to apply any objective standards, especially to something like beauty, which applies to aesthetics, which is really funny because, Andrew, basically what you're talking about, so you're talking about Hollywood, right?

00:38:32.000 And in Hollywood, we know looks matter, someone who can write a good story matters, someone who can write a good script matters, or at least it did for a very long time, obviously with some of the current changes that's going on.

00:38:43.000 But deep down, a guy like Leonardo DiCaprio doesn't care about this stuff.

00:38:47.000 He hates this stuff.

00:38:48.000 He doesn't care about the environment.

00:38:50.000 Arnold Schwarzenegger, he just wants to be able to take 20-year-old girls down to his island and believe.

00:38:54.000 Virgins only is what he's doing.

00:38:55.000 Arnold Schwarzenegger about Leo.

00:38:57.000 That's what he's doing.

00:38:58.000 I've heard that.

00:38:59.000 I've actually heard that.

00:39:01.000 Yeah, that's a thought.

00:39:02.000 Schwarzenegger has a capricorn.

00:39:03.000 I think only sleeps with virgins.

00:39:05.000 I think that's his rule.

00:39:06.000 I don't believe that.

00:39:07.000 Jack, have you heard it too?

00:39:09.000 I've heard the rumor.

00:39:10.000 Yeah.

00:39:10.000 Just allegedly.

00:39:12.000 If we're wrong, his lawyer will contact us.

00:39:15.000 They will.

00:39:16.000 So the idea is that behind the scenes, they all have this belief that we are the best.

00:39:21.000 The rules don't apply to us.

00:39:22.000 It's very Nietzschean, right?

00:39:23.000 Same belief that drove Leopold and Loeb, that we are, we are superior.

00:39:28.000 We are better.

00:39:29.000 And so there's this idea then deep down that for the left, and I'm not talking about necessarily the leaders of the left, but sort of the, you know, the denizens of Instagram and TikTok.

00:39:43.000 And, you know, it used to be more on Tumblr.

00:39:45.000 I don't know if they're really on there as much anymore.

00:39:47.000 I think a lot of this started on Tumblr, but it comes again from these people who've been pushed to the fringes of society.

00:39:54.000 And unfortunately, a lot of society is a mating contest.

00:39:58.000 And so if you get pushed to the bottom rung of that, if you get pushed out of it, the Calhoun Mouse Utopia experiment showed this.

00:40:05.000 What is that?

00:40:05.000 That essentially it just drives you nuts.

00:40:08.000 So the Calhoun Mouse Utopia experiment, and in a nutshell, I don't have it in front of me.

00:40:12.000 It was these, this series of tests through the 1960s and 1970s of behavioral science tests to say, okay, we will create a utopia for mice.

00:40:24.000 We are going to give them abundant food, abundant resources.

00:40:27.000 By the way, you always hear this from the left.

00:40:28.000 Oh, it's just poverty drives all this, and it's society and it's lack of resources.

00:40:33.000 That's the only thing that drives strife.

00:40:35.000 If you take away that, you will then attain utopia.

00:40:38.000 He said, all right, here's all the stuff.

00:40:39.000 Well, you know what happened?

00:40:41.000 So then the strongest mice eventually went over to where all the food came out in the, you know, in the chamber and then dominated control over getting the food out.

00:40:52.000 Then the weaker mice would come up and try to try to go after them and they'd be destroyed.

00:40:58.000 Eventually then women were, you know, the female mice, not women.

00:41:01.000 I'm sure the mice got attacked with this.

00:41:03.000 Are we thinking of different, maybe this is a different mouse utopia?

00:41:06.000 The Calhoun mouse utopia, I remember, is that he basically dumped unlimited food in his mouse utopia and it got mega overpopulated.

00:41:16.000 It basically turned into the mouse equivalent of like manila.

00:41:18.000 It eventually becomes that, yes.

00:41:20.000 And it got super overpopulated and eventually it like messed up.

00:41:25.000 It caused like a behavioral sink where all the mice would kind of sit around.

00:41:29.000 He called them the beautiful ones and you'll sometimes see this.

00:41:31.000 So that was one, the beautiful ones were actually kind of like the hipsters of the Calhoun utopia because they sat around, they pulled themselves out of the mating game, sat around just trying to make themselves look pretty all the time, but never actually challenged the dominant mice for mating, never went for the food sources, never went, never reproduced, never went for females, and then eventually just died out.

00:41:55.000 So I guess the question, I mean, the predominant view right now is how we raise kids.

00:42:00.000 We should not tell them that there's certain thing as an objective beauty standard.

00:42:03.000 Andrew, you have three kids.

00:42:05.000 Are you going to raise them in a way to say that certain people are ugly and certain people are beautiful?

00:42:14.000 No, not really.

00:42:15.000 Honestly, I mean, I think hold on.

00:42:18.000 Let me get yes and no.

00:42:21.000 I know where you're going with this, but I mean, I think there's a there's a Christian ethic, right, that we're trying to uphold that is, you know, we don't call like, for example, my, my beautiful little daughter, well, we went up to a drive-through the other day and the gal serving us was a little overweight.

00:42:37.000 And so from the back of the seat, she goes, hey, did you just say hi to that fat gal or something like that?

00:42:43.000 She said it in front of her and her fat woman.

00:42:46.000 And we were like, Amelia, we don't say that.

00:42:49.000 We say nice things.

00:42:50.000 We don't, we don't draw attention to people's being overweight or skinny because there's a politeness element to this, right?

00:42:57.000 So in my interpersonal dealings, I want to teach my kids to be polite.

00:43:01.000 I want them to treat people well and not be so fixated on the visual, right?

00:43:09.000 Now, I visited a friend of mine in Austin last year, and he has a daughter who is about, must have been kindergarten age.

00:43:17.000 And I'm talking to him at the table, and then she walks up and she leans over to her dad, and she's like, Dad, he has no hair.

00:43:27.000 And I was apparently the first bald person she'd ever seen in Austin, Texas.

00:43:32.000 Yeah.

00:43:33.000 I mean, so to the to that point, right?

00:43:35.000 Like, you want to teach your kids to be polite humans, right?

00:43:39.000 And not do socially inept things.

00:43:42.000 That being said, when we're having a larger conversation about absolute truth and standards of beauty, I mean, this goes to, that's why shows like this exist.

00:43:49.000 That's why your daily show and Jack show exist is because we're having a debate about standards of truth.

00:43:57.000 And there is standards of truth.

00:43:58.000 Like this whole BMI index thing, I mean, we were actually going to put it on one of the topics today, but, you know, Lizzo's, what did she say?

00:44:06.000 She was threatening to like just get off of social media or give up like on everything because we're going to lose Lizzo from social media.

00:44:15.000 And then like a month later, the American Medical Association says that BMI body, what is it, body mass index is somehow racist.

00:44:25.000 I mean, when it comes to these types of things, I'm absolutely going to teach my kids that like, actually, sweetheart, being overweight is not only healthy, but there are some other consequences that might come with it.

00:44:37.000 Namely, if you want to marry Prince Charming, which she very much does, and that's her, we didn't even teach her to do that, by the way, which has been a very fascinating learning experience as a parent just to watch them naturally embrace these things and want these things.

00:44:51.000 You know, I will have that conversation if it gets to the point.

00:44:54.000 Thankfully, she's as skinny as a stick, but so I don't know that I'm going to have to have that particular conversation with her.

00:45:01.000 But yeah, there are standards of beauty.

00:45:02.000 And Charlie, you talk about this all the time when it comes to art and how we used to lift up these beautiful pieces of art and masterpieces of the Western canon.

00:45:11.000 And now we're, you know, our modern art museums have urinals in them, you know, with like paint splattered on them or something.

00:45:19.000 I mean, so this does impact things.

00:45:22.000 And I love beautiful architecture.

00:45:24.000 I think we should absolutely aspire to these universal truths and these timeless things that are beautiful.

00:45:29.000 There's a reason why we look at Greek columns and we still see them with awe and we're still.

00:45:36.000 The Greeks probably overplayed the worship of the body, right, Jack?

00:45:40.000 And the Romans as well, the worship of so you could obviously overplay that, but if we're fooling ourselves and saying Lizzo is anything but ugly and fat, then we have to go to the bottom of the image of Lizzo here putting that up on the laptop.

00:45:55.000 This is who you're not allowed to say that this is an overweight.

00:46:00.000 What is Lizzo's claim to fame again?

00:46:02.000 What did she do?

00:46:02.000 Is she a model?

00:46:04.000 She played the flute.

00:46:06.000 And she played.

00:46:06.000 She played James Madison's flute.

00:46:09.000 So she's got some hits.

00:46:10.000 She's got some hit songs.

00:46:11.000 So that's her stuff.

00:46:13.000 I mean, she very well could lose that weight, but she's choosing not to.

00:46:17.000 This is why when I see Chris Christie, I'm just repulsed.

00:46:19.000 I say, you have no self-control.

00:46:22.000 I don't want to be part of a movement that is accepting of that.

00:46:27.000 Jack.

00:46:28.000 Chris, at least try the Ozempic, man.

00:46:30.000 Give the semaglutide shots a shot.

00:46:32.000 You know, it's one shot a week.

00:46:34.000 It's in the thigh.

00:46:35.000 You got plenty of those.

00:46:36.000 You could stand to lose a few roles.

00:46:38.000 You'll be all right, buddy, especially if you're going to be out on the campaign trail.

00:46:41.000 All right.

00:46:41.000 But hold on, if you can't afford, I'm just going to say, you can't change.

00:46:45.000 You can't change these basic.

00:46:48.000 And this to Andrew's point, right?

00:46:50.000 And I had an issue with my five-year-old called somebody old when we were like in a store recently.

00:46:56.000 He's just like, hey, Jack, he's like, hey, daddy, look at that old guy.

00:46:59.000 You know, I said, oh, God, you know, you don't say that.

00:47:01.000 But at the same time, it's, gosh, you know, truth is truth.

00:47:05.000 You can't deny truth.

00:47:07.000 You can't deny human instincts.

00:47:09.000 You can't deny human nature.

00:47:10.000 You can't deny that we have these objective standards, these moral truths that are out there, these objective truths, these objective beliefs.

00:47:17.000 What you can do is say, you know what?

00:47:19.000 Yes, it is better for us to be to treat people fairly.

00:47:22.000 It is best for us to treat people with kindness, with manners.

00:47:26.000 But that being said, like, you know, hot is hot and ugly is ugly.

00:47:29.000 Okay, I just want, I want to observe one other thing.

00:47:32.000 I know we got to get onto the cage match, but like one thing that just bothers me about Twitter and like the online culture.

00:47:40.000 And Jack, you know this better than anybody.

00:47:42.000 I mean, between you and Charlie, what are you at?

00:47:43.000 Like 5 million followers now or something like this?

00:47:46.000 On Twitter, yeah.

00:47:47.000 But like you, you'll make a comment.

00:47:50.000 And it's like people don't understand the role of Twitter and the role of social media influencers.

00:47:56.000 And I go through them and I think I get more pissed off about some of the comments than Charlie couldn't care less.

00:48:02.000 He literally could not care less.

00:48:04.000 And I'm like getting defensive for him.

00:48:05.000 I'm like, you know, Charlie made some tweets about Juneteenth and it was like the whole world exploded.

00:48:11.000 Charlie's trending all like all Monday, Tuesday for it.

00:48:14.000 I didn't feel a thing.

00:48:15.000 No, exactly.

00:48:16.000 But like the point is that people don't understand.

00:48:19.000 It's like it kind of goes to that bifurcation that I was just describing.

00:48:23.000 There's one thing I'm going to tell my daughter to be a polite person.

00:48:26.000 There's another thing when you're in the public square, like combating for truth, right?

00:48:31.000 Yeah, you're going to say some things that piss people off because that's the role of Twitter, of social media, of Instagram, of these, of these forums where we debate and hash things out.

00:48:40.000 Like you're not going to say everything that's 100% polite all the time, but Charlie and his own personal dealings, like he's a very polite person, like very nice.

00:48:48.000 He's going to go out on Twitter and address something, a cultural rot, and he's going to call it.

00:48:54.000 And all the people that have bought into the rot are going to like freak out.

00:48:57.000 And anyways, it's kind of an aside topic, but it actually frustrates me to no end that people can't understand that when you say something spicy on Twitter, there's actually a point to it.

00:49:06.000 And you're actually trying to expand the Overton window.

00:49:09.000 There's method to the madness.

00:49:10.000 You're not just trying to be a giant jerk all the time.

00:49:13.000 Anyway.

00:49:13.000 Well, and also, you can be ugly, is not just a visual aesthetic.

00:49:18.000 Ugly is how you behave.

00:49:20.000 It's with language.

00:49:21.000 It's with your, you know, your attitude.

00:49:22.000 Lizzo has an ugly aura around her, right?

00:49:26.000 It's not just the visual, which obviously, I mean, you just look at her.

00:49:30.000 And it's also just her, you know, language and her insistence that there's nothing wrong with her, right?

00:49:37.000 Okay, next, next topic, cis cage match.

00:49:42.000 Elon Musk has said that cis is a slur on his platform and might be moderated on Twitter going forward completely separately.

00:49:50.000 Musk has challenged Mark Zuckerberg to a cage match over rumors that Meta is planning a Twitter competitor.

00:49:57.000 Elon Musk versus the Zuck.

00:50:00.000 What is smart money?

00:50:01.000 If this happens, Jack, what are the Caesar Palace odds?

00:50:05.000 I mean, I think it depends on how they both prepare.

00:50:08.000 Look, I mean, obviously, Mark Zuckerberg's what, like 5'9?

00:50:13.000 Elon's probably 6'1.

00:50:14.000 He's got him pound for pound.

00:50:16.000 He's got reach, et cetera.

00:50:17.000 That being said, though, Mark Zuckerberg's Zuckerberg's been out there doing BJJ.

00:50:21.000 I think he's a blue belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

00:50:24.000 He's actually won a couple of competitions.

00:50:26.000 He's been competing.

00:50:27.000 And I don't know if Elon Musk has ever had that kind of training.

00:50:32.000 Obviously, he's older than Zuckerberg, but if you're going up against somebody who, okay, admittedly is smaller than you, but that person's had training and experience, has been in the ring, and you're not, I don't think it would do well.

00:50:45.000 So I think what Elon should do is take a few months, go get with somebody, Sam Hyde, perhaps, go train, go train for a couple of months, just get into premium shape, tip-top shape, go train the hands, work the bag, go work some basic grappling, some basic ground techniques, decide if it's going to be UFC or boxing or whatever it is.

00:51:09.000 I guess Andrew Tate's not available right now to practice that.

00:51:13.000 But I think that if Elon takes time to train, then we could have a really good fight on our hands.

00:51:19.000 If not, Zuckerberg will.

00:51:20.000 You know, alternatively, what if Musk just put a Neuralink in like a top Jiu-Jitsu fighter and he just like controlled their body at a distance and then he defeated Musk by just, he would just go into the body of, I actually don't know any famous Conor McGregor.

00:51:37.000 Well, we need someone, we need someone who has won a fight within the last five years.

00:51:41.000 Ooh, that's salty.

00:51:42.000 Jorge Masvedal.

00:51:43.000 How about that?

00:51:44.000 Is that Jorge?

00:51:45.000 I think it's Jorge, right?

00:51:47.000 Yeah, Jorge.

00:51:47.000 Yep.

00:51:48.000 You got it, right?

00:51:48.000 He's a champion.

00:51:49.000 He wins a lot.

00:51:50.000 Or Colby Covington.

00:51:51.000 He guy wins all the time.

00:51:52.000 Colby Covington's a conservative.

00:51:54.000 Yeah.

00:51:54.000 So is Maz Masvedal.

00:51:56.000 Yeah, those guys are studs.

00:51:58.000 Jiu-Jitsu is just exactly jiu-jitsu is a lot, or MMA is a lot like weightlifting.

00:52:03.000 It's like, you know, it rewards effort and putting, it rewards putting in the work.

00:52:09.000 And so it's a naturally conservatizing phenomenon.

00:52:13.000 Here's the picture of Musk.

00:52:14.000 It's up on screen.

00:52:16.000 This was a famed picture.

00:52:19.000 Musk credited this with encouraging him to lose weight, to be fair.

00:52:24.000 Jack is telling me in the comments that he lost a lot of weight after this.

00:52:28.000 But here's the question: In UFC fighting, weight is like a massive advantage.

00:52:34.000 So does he beef up a little bit?

00:52:35.000 Is this a UFC fight?

00:52:37.000 Zuckerberg is pretty skinny.

00:52:38.000 He did say Vegas Octagon.

00:52:40.000 So that's nasty.

00:52:42.000 Octagon.

00:52:43.000 Yeah, and Dana White.

00:52:44.000 I would think that means Dana White.

00:52:45.000 Is it going to be exclusively streamed on Rumble?

00:52:47.000 That would be interesting.

00:52:48.000 Well, I don't know.

00:52:50.000 I don't know if Twitter and the Rumble on Rumble.

00:52:52.000 The Rumble on Rumble, but they would probably.

00:52:57.000 Here's the update on it.

00:52:58.000 He has the slap thing, right?

00:52:59.000 Maybe they could do the slap thing.

00:53:01.000 Well, that's Dana White, too.

00:53:02.000 Yeah.

00:53:02.000 So here's the update.

00:53:03.000 Dana White is confident he can make the fight between Elon Musk and Zuckerberg happen in the UFC.

00:53:09.000 White says he spoke with both men last night, and they are, quote, deadly serious, end quote, about the fight.

00:53:16.000 White believes it would be the biggest selling fight in history, tripling the number of Conor McGregor versus Floyd Mayweather.

00:53:24.000 He says he would sell the pay-per-view tickets for $100 and donate all earnings to charity.

00:53:31.000 This is happening, I think.

00:53:32.000 Maybe.

00:53:33.000 Likely.

00:53:34.000 It truly would be the most amazing thing.

00:53:36.000 And could we get other iterations of this?

00:53:39.000 What if we did this in politics?

00:53:41.000 What if Ron DeSantis came out and just challenged Donald Trump to a fight?

00:53:46.000 I mean, Joe Biden has challenged Donald Trump to the fight.

00:53:50.000 Didn't he?

00:53:51.000 That was something like, I'd like to take him out behind the barn or something, right?

00:53:55.000 But they should respond to this very literally.

00:53:58.000 What if we just had our politicians do that?

00:54:00.000 And then if kind of Aaron Burr, Hamilton style where they go out and just duel.

00:54:06.000 America was a great country then.

00:54:09.000 Look, the two that I got to think of that really need to go at it right now in the ring: MTG, Lauren Bober.

00:54:15.000 Let's just have it out.

00:54:16.000 Throw down.

00:54:18.000 Yeah, I think we have a schedule.

00:54:20.000 We have a scheduling issue at ActCon.

00:54:22.000 I have to keep the two on like separate days.

00:54:24.000 No, you're doing it wrong.

00:54:25.000 You have to keep them close to each other and have cameras follow them.

00:54:29.000 And then you air the moment where they fortuitously run into each other.

00:54:33.000 You do a whole hype thing.

00:54:35.000 Should we have it at ActCon?

00:54:36.000 Should we have the octagon?

00:54:38.000 Just come in right onto the stage.

00:54:42.000 They each have a podium, and then their podiums are each inside the lowered octagon.

00:54:47.000 We're not saying anything that's not public, by the way.

00:54:48.000 I don't know why anyone would freak out.

00:54:49.000 I'm just, you know, they're cussing each other out on the house.

00:54:52.000 I'm getting palpitations right now.

00:54:54.000 We're almost, we're almost, we should just skip ahead to what their entrance music will be, really.

00:55:00.000 We really should.

00:55:01.000 I mean, here's the deal, though.

00:55:02.000 If we're being real about this, Lauren Bober is like a very, very small person.

00:55:07.000 So I wouldn't want to fight her, man.

00:55:09.000 She's got some sparks.

00:55:10.000 She's like 410.

00:55:12.000 I'm not kidding.

00:55:13.000 Like 4'10.

00:55:13.000 She'd be around the same height.

00:55:15.000 MTG's not that much taller.

00:55:17.000 No, she's not.

00:55:18.000 MTG's tall.

00:55:19.000 MTG does like CrossFit.

00:55:20.000 She spends all her time hitting tires with us.

00:55:23.000 MTG can do an impressive amount of pull-ups for a woman, like impressive amount.

00:55:27.000 Yeah.

00:55:28.000 She can do like 17 or 18 like legit pull-ups.

00:55:33.000 I love them both.

00:55:34.000 I'm just saying MTG.

00:55:37.000 So let's see in the Rumble Rance, who wins?

00:55:40.000 MTG.

00:55:41.000 People say MTG is going to win.

00:55:43.000 That's what the comments say.

00:55:48.000 I'm not saying Lauren Bobert doesn't play above her size and weight.

00:55:52.000 Like she's going to play 30, I'm assuming.

00:55:55.000 I'm telling you that.

00:55:56.000 By the way, I'm on great terms with both of them.

00:55:58.000 I have great respect for both of them.

00:55:59.000 But apparently they had a big fight on the House floor yesterday saying you're an F in this and this and that and this and that.

00:56:04.000 You're a little B and yeah, we Daily Beast running it.

00:56:09.000 I'm not against either of them.

00:56:10.000 I'm just saying if there's going to be a fight, let's sell tickets.

00:56:13.000 What if we did their fight?

00:56:15.000 This is the ultimate next step for ActCon Amfest.

00:56:20.000 They could benefit from a K-Fade fight.

00:56:22.000 Let's just go WWE.

00:56:23.000 Let's put that one in a WWE format.

00:56:25.000 We're going to go Octagon.

00:56:26.000 It's way bloodier, better for ratings.

00:56:28.000 Yeah, but you could have a chair.

00:56:30.000 You could do like drama.

00:56:31.000 But it's all fake.

00:56:32.000 So it's like DC.

00:56:33.000 Congress is fake.

00:56:34.000 Yeah, but we're not that at turning points.

00:56:36.000 You need the octagon.

00:56:38.000 AmFest, Jack, we got to have duels.

00:56:42.000 Duels at Amfest.

00:56:44.000 Now, hold on, hold on.

00:56:45.000 Could they choose champions?

00:56:47.000 Would we allow that?

00:56:48.000 Because if you remember, if you want to go back into your WWE lore, when Vince McMahon and Donald Trump had the Battle of the Billionaires, they did not fight directly, even though the challenge was for, or I would say the prize was that whoever lost had to get their head shaved.

00:57:05.000 So they have to pick another male member of Congress.

00:57:08.000 So who would they pick?

00:57:09.000 That's the question.

00:57:11.000 Yep.

00:57:13.000 Yeah.

00:57:13.000 Hey, but what should the stakes be?

00:57:15.000 I think that's a really interesting question because, you know, does winner take all here?

00:57:20.000 Whose impeachment bill gets voted on?

00:57:22.000 No, no, no.

00:57:24.000 Yeah, that's fair enough.

00:57:25.000 That's what they're fighting over.

00:57:27.000 I know, right?

00:57:27.000 Like, that was a funny thing.

00:57:28.000 You need higher stakes.

00:57:29.000 Your committee, your committee.

00:57:30.000 Nobody talked about this.

00:57:32.000 Nobody talked about this, but that was my exact, that was my first thought.

00:57:35.000 I was like, MTG did impeachment of a proposal, right?

00:57:40.000 Like a resolution.

00:57:41.000 But today, Lauren or yesterday, Lauren Bobert put it to a vote, and then it cleared.

00:57:46.000 So now it's going to the committee.

00:57:49.000 And by the way, we're not going to talk too much about it, but these new Joe Biden Hunterbine text messages, no exaggerational hyperbole.

00:57:57.000 They're something.

00:57:58.000 So this impeachment thing is not that far out there.

00:58:00.000 I mean, this is unbelievable stuff.

00:58:01.000 Maybe they all know it, and that's why it passed so easily today.

00:58:06.000 Maybe that's why Newsom is making the rounds.

00:58:09.000 I'm telling you, there's something.

00:58:12.000 That goes to Jack's previous theory, then, by the way.

00:58:15.000 So yeah, no, one of our Bit, man.

00:58:18.000 One of our chat people suggests that the winner gets to play pinata with watermelon head shif, which I think literally that sounds too violent, but now I kind of want to see like an actual shift piñata, like you know, full-on like birthday party style.

00:58:33.000 And like you hit me.

00:58:34.000 Milk duds fly out.

00:58:36.000 We need memes of shif being a watermelon.

00:58:39.000 Yeah, we need.

00:58:41.000 I think we should have all of Turning Point staff work on that tomorrow.

00:58:45.000 By the way, President Sons should also brawl.

00:58:47.000 Don Jr. would destroy Hunter Biden, but there'd have to be drug testing or else there have to be man.

00:58:54.000 I feel like Lauren Bobert could beat Hunter Biden.

00:58:56.000 He has like the worst body on any male I've ever seen.

00:58:59.000 No, unless he gets on some crazy psychedelics and he just becomes like a crackhead.

00:59:03.000 He's very proud of it.

00:59:04.000 He's very proud of his body.

00:59:05.000 There's no there's no shame in beating up a crackhead.

00:59:09.000 Or I should say there's no honor.

00:59:10.000 There's no honor in beating up a crackhead.

00:59:12.000 There's no honor.

00:59:13.000 There's no entertainment, there's a lot of shame.

00:59:15.000 I mean, what do you get?

00:59:16.000 There's no win there, right?

00:59:18.000 You could just, I mean, what are you like Patrick Bateman at that point, just walking around picking up homeless people?

00:59:22.000 We're in the final days of the Roman Empire.

00:59:24.000 We might as well have the entertainment alongside of it.

00:59:26.000 The final days of the Roman Empire got rid of the entertainment.

00:59:30.000 I'm talking about the days before the final days.

00:59:32.000 Oh.

00:59:33.000 Okay.

00:59:33.000 We already have the inflation.

00:59:35.000 We have the open borders.

00:59:36.000 We have the degeneracy, the lack of moral decline.

00:59:39.000 Can we at least see our leaders get into the ring?

00:59:42.000 Commodus was in the ring, was he not?

00:59:44.000 Commodus was in the ring.

00:59:45.000 Okay, that's late Roman Empire.

00:59:46.000 That's like mid-Roman Empire.

00:59:48.000 That was the beginning of the fall.

00:59:50.000 Yeah, that is.

00:59:51.000 That's when Gibbon starts the story anyway.

00:59:53.000 So the son of the last great emperor.

00:59:57.000 Okay, so what's this whole cis thing, Jack?

00:59:59.000 I don't understand it.

01:00:02.000 Okay, so cis or the word sissy has been used as a slur by the left for, or not even necessarily by the left, it's technically by trans activists, even though it's sort of a one-to-one Venn diagram of trans activists to the left these days, that they are now calling people cises, sissies, cisgender.

01:00:25.000 Elon Musk comes out and says that phrase, if used repeatedly to harass someone, will be considered a slur and could lead to account ramifications for that person.

01:00:39.000 I don't think he said he would specifically ban people for that, but it could lead to your account essentially being throttled or put in one of these shadow ban categories that we've seen in the past.

01:00:48.000 And so this has been a huge sea change for Twitter in general, because on one hand, the left has always, always gotten away with being able to say whatever they want about the right.

01:01:01.000 And I'll say the biggest one for me isn't even this.

01:01:04.000 It's the word maggots.

01:01:06.000 Trump supporters have been referred to as maggots, M-A-G-A-T-S, by the left.

01:01:12.000 It trends on Twitter for at one point, it was trending on Twitter every day.

01:01:15.000 Keith Olbermann's used it.

01:01:17.000 A lot of big name, high-profile leftists have used it.

01:01:19.000 They use that word all the time.

01:01:21.000 So maggots, right?

01:01:23.000 So it's this idea of obviously dehumanizing language.

01:01:26.000 Now, in the old days, in like Jack Dorsey Twitter days, which is really Vijayagade Twitter days, that if you called anyone any word under the sun, if you use the word tranny to refer to any of them, remember we are in Thought Carnary and Rumble right now, that we, you would be banned.

01:01:44.000 Your account would be taken down.

01:01:46.000 You could lose everything with one typo, right?

01:01:50.000 You know, with one extra letter.

01:01:52.000 And so now all of a sudden, they're freaking out because suddenly the same standard is applied to them.

01:01:59.000 That's basically the situation.

01:02:00.000 I'll just throw out there real quick that I think gender.

01:02:05.000 I think it's both.

01:02:05.000 Elon actually said both.

01:02:07.000 My personal take, though, is I'm against the idea of speech codes in general.

01:02:13.000 I think Twitter should just be Twitter.

01:02:14.000 Free speech, man.

01:02:15.000 You can kind of hear him saying in like a serpentine way.

01:02:22.000 Yes, I can.

01:02:24.000 Thank you.

01:02:24.000 Yeah.

01:02:24.000 Hey, so this is the bigger question, though, which is interesting because I think the one issue with, I would say, Elon's tenure at Twitter so far, in my opinion, is when he went after Substack.

01:02:38.000 I think he sees it as a business competitor because he wants to bring everything under this Twitter umbrella, but at the same time, like Matt Taibbi won't work with him now because he went after the, you know, the Substack thing, right?

01:02:54.000 But then you also have him saying that this is this is a, you know, I consider this a slur, right?

01:03:00.000 And listen, I think, I think going back to a previous point I made, I think we sometimes don't realize the tyranny that we live under, the thought tyranny, the language tyranny.

01:03:10.000 This is going to be a big red pill moment for a lot of people.

01:03:12.000 JK Rowling, if they want to put this up, she tweeted right away and it's got like 194,000 likes.

01:03:19.000 It's insane.

01:03:20.000 It says cis is ideological language signifying belief in the unfalsifiable concept of gender identity.

01:03:28.000 You have a perfect right to believe in unprovable essences that may or may not match the sex body, but the rest of us have to have the right to disagree and to refuse to adopt your jargon.

01:03:38.000 But she's essentially saying there that you have the right to say cis if you want to, but we don't, as long as we get the right to disagree with you, we're cool.

01:03:49.000 I don't know if I appreciate Elon's pushback, but at the same time, I'm with Jack.

01:03:55.000 I'm like, hey, just keep it free speech.

01:03:57.000 I'm trying to imagine traveling back in time to the year 2000 and talking to someone and saying, yes, so J.K. Rowling, that woman who writes those wizard books, she's going to be on this site called Twitter where you do microblogging.

01:04:12.000 And they'll be like, what's a blog?

01:04:13.000 I don't have time to explain.

01:04:15.000 Anyway, she's going to be talking about sexed bodies.

01:04:18.000 Like it's some.

01:04:20.000 Well, actually, guys, I'm reading the comments here.

01:04:22.000 And we haven't actually defined, and this is on me.

01:04:25.000 We haven't actually defined what cis means.

01:04:27.000 And so I'm seeing people in the comments saying they have no idea what we're talking about.

01:04:31.000 Yes.

01:04:32.000 So cis gender, right?

01:04:33.000 And then that's on me.

01:04:35.000 I should have said it.

01:04:36.000 Cisgender refers to or relates to a person whose gender identity corresponds.

01:04:43.000 This is from the Oxford Dictionary, corresponds with the sex registered for them at birth, i.e. not transgender.

01:04:51.000 So it's the opposite of transgender is cisgender.

01:04:55.000 To simplify it, it's called being a normal person.

01:04:58.000 Yeah.

01:04:58.000 Correct.

01:04:59.000 And by the way, you know that one of our turning, this is a true story.

01:05:02.000 One of our turning point USA chapter leaders at University of New Mexico faced a nine-month Soviet style Title IX investigation, Title 10, Title IX, whatever, because there were a bunch of maniacs that wanted to come into our turning point event.

01:05:18.000 And she said, no, you're not allowed in these rantifa, but she let other people and said, you guys look normal.

01:05:23.000 You're allowed to come in.

01:05:24.000 Nine-month Soviet-style facing expulsion from the school.

01:05:29.000 That's how important these words are, everybody.

01:05:32.000 Can we expel New Mexico from the Union?

01:05:35.000 Land of Enjoyment.

01:05:36.000 I'm pretty late.

01:05:37.000 No, hold on.

01:05:37.000 Land of enchantment.

01:05:39.000 I have a question for Charlie, honestly.

01:05:40.000 So I'm with Jack.

01:05:42.000 I think free speech on these, you know, in this issue, it's like, listen, I'm not trying to ban anybody.

01:05:47.000 I don't necessarily even love it when Elon Musk weighs in and says he's going to ban people or consider it a slur and you're going to get penalized for using the word cis.

01:05:57.000 But the great Angelo brought up in our chat a really good point.

01:06:01.000 He said the left doesn't want to play by their own rules.

01:06:04.000 They want you to respect their pronouns.

01:06:06.000 But if you ask them to respect your right to disagree with it, they refuse.

01:06:11.000 I'm really curious, Charlie, because you are big on knowing exactly what time it is, knowing that the left is not playing fair anymore.

01:06:21.000 Do you think that that's self-defeating to say, hey, I don't want to ban anybody?

01:06:25.000 You know, is this Musk playing 3D chess and we're just catching up?

01:06:29.000 Oh, I'm with Musk on this.

01:06:30.000 I mean, yeah, if we lived in normal times, like, yeah, say whatever you want, but no, make these people understand the harm that they issue to us.

01:06:38.000 Like, yeah, you might lose your account if you act like a jerk.

01:06:41.000 That's what we had to deal with for five years.

01:06:43.000 It's called justice.

01:06:44.000 You love using that word.

01:06:48.000 Why people love you, Charlie?

01:06:50.000 No, it's true.

01:06:51.000 People say, oh, well, you know, it's not right.

01:06:54.000 Oh, really?

01:06:54.000 It's not right.

01:06:55.000 You know what we've dealt with?

01:06:56.000 I was put on a Twitter blacklist.

01:06:58.000 I lost my Twitter account for two weeks because I said the Hunter Biden laptop was legit and I was censored for spreading Russian disinformation.

01:07:07.000 And you got censored for calling Rachel Levine Richard Levine.

01:07:11.000 You dead named Rachel.

01:07:13.000 And so, look, I don't rejoice in ever having to say we have to censor accounts, but it's necessary, very necessary, to use equal force in an opposite reaction against people that have never been challenged.

01:07:27.000 They are petulant infants that only understand force.

01:07:31.000 And it's time to metaphorically, well, we could have a whole show on whether or not you should spank your kids or not.

01:07:38.000 Discipline them back into line, or else they'll never learn.

01:07:41.000 That's the only thing the left understands.

01:07:45.000 Charlie, you're reminding me of the shrieking infant from the graduation today.

01:07:50.000 Maybe we should.

01:07:51.000 By the way, it went totally viral thanks to us.

01:07:51.000 Yeah, no, let's play that.

01:07:54.000 And have you not seen this, Jack?

01:07:56.000 And by the way, everyone thinks that we're putting some sort of racial context to this.

01:07:59.000 We're not the shrieking infant at the graduation.

01:08:03.000 Jack, you understand we ignore like 90% of the news on the Charlie Kirk show because it's fake and gay.

01:08:08.000 Okay.

01:08:08.000 So which cut is that?

01:08:11.000 95.

01:08:12.000 95.

01:08:13.000 Play cut 95.

01:08:16.000 Okay, go.

01:08:17.000 Let's go.

01:08:18.000 Let's go.

01:08:19.000 You never let me get my moment.

01:08:21.000 So I want to say, my name is Katie Jantadiano, and I'm graduating today.

01:08:26.000 Oh, my God.

01:08:27.000 You snatched the mic out of my head.

01:08:29.000 So today is going to be all about me.

01:08:32.000 Oh, drop the mic.

01:08:34.000 Congratulations.

01:08:37.000 Okay, so this is a graduation ceremony.

01:08:39.000 We still don't know what school.

01:08:40.000 I think it's C-U-N-I, is what somebody said, C-U-N-Y, which is City University of New York.

01:08:45.000 City University of New York.

01:08:48.000 So I don't know if that's true.

01:08:50.000 So apparently she made a response video, which was ridiculous, that the person was not saying the black names as well.

01:08:57.000 So she lost her mind and grabbed the mic and turned it into this narcissistic display.

01:09:01.000 We posted on Instagram, Twitter.

01:09:02.000 People are thinking we're racializing it.

01:09:04.000 We said nothing.

01:09:05.000 We said, this is not how you should act.

01:09:06.000 Shut up, racist.

01:09:08.000 No, I mean, I'm sorry.

01:09:09.000 I'm going to say that you shouldn't act that way.

01:09:11.000 I don't care about the color of your skin.

01:09:14.000 And some people are saying, oh, her diploma should be revoked.

01:09:16.000 I'm not even recommending or suggesting that.

01:09:18.000 I'm saying, if you're an employer, get her name and make sure she never works for your company, Blake.

01:09:24.000 Yeah, pretty much.

01:09:25.000 It's like you can do it now and you'll risk being caught in the crossfire, or you can, you know, have her work for you.

01:09:32.000 And five years from now, your entire company will implode.

01:09:35.000 Yeah, she's taken over the HR department.

01:09:37.000 Take it over the HR department, holding like a clipboard, looking at you very angrily after you violated subsection B of Provision 5.

01:09:44.000 And now you have the Department of Labor all up in your grill.

01:09:49.000 Yeah, and so what's most depressing, Jack, about this now that you're catching up to the real news that the Charlie Kirk show covers, yeah, forget all this submarine stuff, Hunter Biden.

01:09:58.000 We're focusing on viral videos that covered graduation.

01:10:01.000 Breaking news.

01:10:02.000 And so, Jack, but the most important part of the story is that the comments section, and Daisy showed us this, 99% of the comments on TikTok and Instagram are supportive of her, saying, truth to power, you challenge white supremacy, Jack.

01:10:18.000 Well, again, you know, this is one of those things where with every viral video, I always have a, you know, the first question I always ask is, show me what happened 30 seconds before.

01:10:29.000 So they're saying it had something to do with the pronunciation of the names.

01:10:33.000 She didn't like that.

01:10:35.000 Hi, have you seen my last name?

01:10:37.000 How often do you think that people have gotten my last name, my Polish last name, Posobic, as we say in English in Popolitsko Posobiets, that people in the Anglosphere get it right?

01:10:49.000 Yeah, I've never flipped out or like lost my mind because somebody got my name wrong, which literally happens on a daily basis.

01:10:56.000 We were just talking about people being polite, people having manners, people being respectful.

01:11:02.000 That's not how you act in a civilized society.

01:11:06.000 This is the same type of fatherless behavior that we've seen across the country that TikTok and these other social media platforms, by and large, if you're on the left, it incentivizes them.

01:11:16.000 It incentivizes them through dopamine rushes.

01:11:19.000 It incentivizes them through likes and retweets and shares.

01:11:22.000 It's the same type of people who were cheering for the ocean because there were a bunch of white rich people, as well as Pakistani rich people, but who cares about that, who were on this submarine.

01:11:31.000 And you had people actually cheering for them to die, which is like, okay, sure.

01:11:36.000 Like, is that the smartest idea they could have done with their money?

01:11:39.000 Probably not, right?

01:11:40.000 Admittedly.

01:11:40.000 But, you know, there's two human beings.

01:11:42.000 We don't cheer for them to die just because they have money.

01:11:45.000 And that is, that is what these people are.

01:11:47.000 They have created hate groups.

01:11:49.000 They have created an incentivization for hate.

01:11:52.000 We saw this in LA when I was out at the Ellie Dodger thing on Friday.

01:11:56.000 And again, more and more in society, we incentivize this behavior.

01:12:01.000 And when we incentivize it, we're asking for more of it.

01:12:04.000 Okay, so that segues to our final topic, actually.

01:12:07.000 Jack, and you brought it up.

01:12:08.000 So you have to wonder, you know, did this woman have a strong father run?

01:12:12.000 I have no idea.

01:12:14.000 Maybe, maybe not.

01:12:16.000 So CNN comes out and says this.

01:12:19.000 CNN got fact-checked on Father's Day for an article arguing that actually black fathers were doing better than fathers of other races.

01:12:29.000 Now, did CNN Blake include in this article that 70% of black fathers abandon the women they impregnate?

01:12:38.000 They did not.

01:12:38.000 They did not include that.

01:12:39.000 In fact, the entire, the study they used, which is one, I don't know if it's an update on it, but it's one I've seen before in other contexts.

01:12:47.000 And what the study will be is it'll say, you know, if you take black fathers who are in the home, so we're going to, they move past that and they just take the subset that are around, they'll say these fathers are more likely to have played with their child, to have shared a meal with their child, to have helped dress, you know, do various household things with the child compared to white fathers or Hispanic fathers.

01:13:13.000 And as I will not be remotely the first person to point out, the, you know, subtext of that is they're probably less likely to be employed than fathers in other households.

01:13:24.000 And so they're more likely to be around to assist with those things.

01:13:28.000 But what they got fact-checked for on Twitter is even before that, it's just that if you actually check the facts, do we have that?

01:13:35.000 That point is very obvious.

01:13:37.000 Again, 70% of black men, 70% at 75 in certain cities abandon the women they impregnate.

01:13:44.000 Well, the community notes says 64% of black children are living absent their biological fathers.

01:13:52.000 Hispanic children, 2%, but some numbers say 6%.

01:13:55.000 White children, 20%, white children, 24%.

01:13:58.000 And Asian children setting the bar at 16%.

01:14:02.000 Obviously, that's because of white supremacy, right?

01:14:04.000 So white supremacy is to blame for.

01:14:06.000 You know, the really depressing thing is when the Moynihan report came out in the 1960s, where he was warning President Lyndon Johnson about the crisis of the black family and it was going to cause huge problems for society is that when he wrote that report, the rate of fatherlessness in black homes was about that 24% that it is for even white people now.

01:14:29.000 And it was almost non-existently tripled.

01:14:31.000 It's tripled for them.

01:14:32.000 But ours has gone up.

01:14:34.000 I think our rate was, or white people's rate was like 3%, 4% at that time.

01:14:41.000 So white people's went up even more in terms of percentage.

01:14:46.000 Well, I mean, you know, I think it's fascinating because it makes me think of two things.

01:14:52.000 We're calling it a fact check.

01:14:54.000 And I feel like this is the first time conservatives have ever had an institutionalized fact check that goes in the direction of common sense.

01:15:03.000 This isn't a fact check.

01:15:04.000 It's a community note, right?

01:15:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:15:07.000 That's the correct term.

01:15:08.000 Yeah, Blake has mentioned this to me in passing, and I think it's a fairly interesting question that, you know, and I've heard Cernovich bring this stuff up as well.

01:15:18.000 Like, we're living through this golden era of Twitter where we actually get to see common sense get reflected in the community notes.

01:15:26.000 How long is it before like the left completely swarms them and gets mobilized and starts coming after community notes?

01:15:33.000 Well, yeah, and I just want to say this.

01:15:35.000 You know, I was with James Lindsay for a couple of days, who I consider brilliant.

01:15:38.000 He said, boy, you know, the last 13 months, it seems as if things are really moving our way.

01:15:43.000 What happened 13 months ago?

01:15:45.000 Elon Musk bought Twitter.

01:15:47.000 I will say this.

01:15:48.000 I don't think we can emphasize enough the impact that being able to have a liberated Twitter is.

01:15:55.000 And so many people say, oh, Charlie, Elon, we get emails every day.

01:15:59.000 Elon's the worst thing ever.

01:16:00.000 I'm sorry, you're wrong.

01:16:01.000 Having us be able to say what we want to say on Twitter on any one of these issues, on the Pride stuff, on the groomer stuff, on the Target stuff, on the Dylan Mulvaney stuff, having Matt Walsh be able to say whatever he wants, be able to put what is a woman up there, Jordan Peterson be able to talk about any one of these issues.

01:16:19.000 Blake, that moves the Overton window massively.

01:16:22.000 Yeah, dramatically.

01:16:23.000 What you can say has, what you're allowed to say has an enormous impact on what you're allowed to think and what is allowed to be in public discourse, which is why the media enforced it so much and why it is such a cascade, especially on specific issues.

01:16:39.000 I think the transgenderism one is a particularly strong one where three years ago, even in red states, we're terrified to say like, oh, you should, you know, stay in the bathroom of your biological sex or we should have only women in women's sports.

01:16:54.000 And there's sudden, you get a very quick cascade where it's like, oh, wait, we're actually allowed to say this is BS.

01:16:59.000 Well, wait, then we can just pass a law that says you can't do this to children.

01:17:04.000 You can't do this.

01:17:05.000 You can't do that.

01:17:06.000 And there's so many things on the left that do require that very oppressive level of thought control.

01:17:14.000 I mean, even this topic on the Father's Day thing.

01:17:17.000 It's like you can just look up the data and it's transparent that what the reality is.

01:17:21.000 And you can only get away with the sort of like crap that CNN is pushing with this story if you're basically, if you have unlimited propaganda power.

01:17:31.000 Operation Mockingbird.

01:17:32.000 Jack, let's do the thought crime.

01:17:33.000 Why are blacks more likely to abandon the women they impregnate?

01:17:41.000 Well, I think that when you look at something like this, I think there's a thought crime there where you could say, people will expect you to say like, oh, it's related to intelligence or it's socially incorporated, et cetera.

01:17:55.000 You know, I would actually push back a little, I guess, on the sort of conservative orthodoxy to this and just say, because there's a lot of conservatives who will just say, like, oh, well, if you just bring the fathers around, if you force the fathers to be together, if you force child support, if you force all these different things, then you're just going to solve all the problems in the community.

01:18:13.000 You're going to work everything out.

01:18:14.000 Everything will be fine.

01:18:15.000 And unfortunately, these are more complicated problems.

01:18:19.000 And it's not like the libs want to say, oh, it's just poverty or, oh, it's just root causes.

01:18:24.000 You know, I think that by and large, a huge part of this is because what we went through in the 1960s in this country with pushing pushing for these cities to become what they are today, just completely dilapidated, completely devastated by crime in so many of these societies.

01:18:42.000 And then telling a lot of people, a lot of people, that it's your racist for wanting to say something about it.

01:18:42.000 Silly.

01:18:50.000 And so what you had was middle-class families completely, and they call it white flight, just moved out.

01:18:55.000 That's why the United States has suburbs and no other industrialized country really lives that way.

01:19:01.000 They went through this period.

01:19:03.000 You're starting to see more of it in parts of Western Europe, but not really.

01:19:06.000 I mean, I just come back from Eastern Europe, which none of this exists whatsoever, because they simply don't condone these types of behaviors.

01:19:12.000 And we go back and we look at the civil rights period and we say, oh, it's this great period.

01:19:15.000 It was a great time.

01:19:16.000 Everything was awesome.

01:19:17.000 And yet the 1960s were marred with insane amounts of violence, bombings, and riots, race riots throughout every major assassinations of political leaders, a U.S. president, a U.S. president's brother who was running for president at the time, whose son is now running for president, obviously.

01:19:37.000 So when you look back at the 1960s as the start of this sort of massive social upheaval and social revolution in the United States away from the norm, I think that a lot of the problems that we've seen now go back to that era and the excesses of it that we like aren't even allowed to talk about anymore.

01:19:54.000 Andrew, if you want to get red-pilled on the civil rights era, look no further than what book Age of Entitlement by Christopher Caldwell.

01:20:05.000 It is a freaking eye-opener.

01:20:10.000 And we're going to get Christopher Caldwell.

01:20:11.000 Maybe we'll get him on Thought Crime.

01:20:13.000 Maybe we'll just invite him as a special guest on Thought Prime.

01:20:15.000 But I'm actively emailing with Christopher Caldwell.

01:20:19.000 That this book, Age of Entitlement, Brian, if you can throw the picture up, it's worth it.

01:20:23.000 The guy, like, we've probably sold more copies of Age of Entitlement on Charlie's.

01:20:28.000 I think we've sold thousands of copies of this book.

01:20:30.000 But he does it really intelligently.

01:20:32.000 He doesn't come right out of the gate and say the civil rights era was bad, right?

01:20:36.000 Because if you come, if you grow up in America, I mean, Jack, we're similar ages.

01:20:40.000 It's like this civil rights era is one of our moral, great moral achievements.

01:20:46.000 And if you, if you start inserting, yeah, right.

01:20:50.000 You start inserting that's how you're taught.

01:20:52.000 That's how you're taught.

01:20:53.000 Yes, that's how you're taught.

01:20:54.000 But by the way, Martin Luther King to this day, despite all the like infidelity and stuff that I've learned later, which sucks.

01:21:01.000 I mean, it's kind of, you're kind of having to come to grips with the fact that one of your heroes as a child is not really so heroic.

01:21:07.000 I'm just telling you, it's like he was, he's still my hero.

01:21:11.000 The man like did some great things.

01:21:13.000 I now have a 3D view of him, but like I fully acknowledge his courage and the fact that he did the non-peace or the non-violent protests and all that sort of thing.

01:21:22.000 All right.

01:21:23.000 So MOK was a Fed, apparently.

01:21:26.000 Here's what I'm trying to tell you, though.

01:21:27.000 You go into normie culture and you bring Christopher Caldwell's ideas, you've got to do it in a way that they can handle, right?

01:21:35.000 So he's dropping some of the most like massive red pills you can ever imagine in this book, but he's doing it in a way that a sociologist would do or an academic would do.

01:21:45.000 It's already academically written.

01:21:47.000 Yeah, but if you get to the end of the book, you're like, this thing shredded our Constitution.

01:21:52.000 Yes.

01:21:54.000 We had no idea, and there was some dissenters.

01:21:56.000 I will say, and Blake will know more about that than I were.

01:21:59.000 At the time, there were dissenters, but they were basically pushed aside.

01:22:02.000 And what you realize is that Johnson used the assassination of JFK and the nation's in mourning, and he basically weaponized the trauma that the nation was under.

01:22:15.000 And he said, JFK would have wanted this.

01:22:17.000 He was working on this civil rights bill.

01:22:20.000 The problem is that JFK was working on like a very narrowly tailored civil rights bill that would have probably addressed some legitimate things.

01:22:28.000 Johnson expanded it massively, in part to win over the black vote.

01:22:34.000 And he used it to completely shred the Constitution.

01:22:36.000 It wasn't even what people wanted at the time, which is the most powerful part of Caldwell's book.

01:22:42.000 Approval polls did not want a Civil Rights Act this wide-ranging, did not want this permanent standing army bureaucracy, did not want to have all that.

01:22:52.000 Truthfully, that's not even in what one of the craziest things about it is that's not in the bill.

01:22:56.000 Like, so the Civil Rights Act of 1964 says you can't discriminate based on race.

01:23:02.000 That's what it says.

01:23:03.000 And what we got is over about, you know, the next, it expands slowly over time, but basically over the next decade, you get the Supreme Court and other courts and the federal bureaucracy going, like, yeah, the law says that you can't discriminate based on race.

01:23:18.000 But actually, actually, if you understand the true intent of the law, it requires discrimination based on race.

01:23:26.000 Affirmative action.

01:23:27.000 Yeah.

01:23:27.000 So now we literally, in less than a decade, went from no discrimination based on race to you explicitly have to weigh race in hiring people in countless convoluted ways.

01:23:40.000 But Blake, you brought up the fact that it wasn't even popular then.

01:23:43.000 It's not popular now.

01:23:44.000 I mean, it's never been in California.

01:23:46.000 Affirmative action is like the least popular thing that Democrats do, and yet Republicans don't really run against it.

01:23:51.000 It's amazing.

01:23:51.000 Well, here's what I'm saying.

01:23:52.000 It's like in California, they put it on the ballot, liberal California, that goes like 70-30 for Biden, whatever.

01:23:59.000 It failed, like 56 to 43%.

01:24:02.000 I think there was no money with no money.

01:24:05.000 And on the flip side, infinite money for the pro-legalizing affirmative action side.

01:24:10.000 And it just flops.

01:24:11.000 And it flops everywhere.

01:24:13.000 It's sort of like their version of, unfortunately, the way all of our abortion referendums went bad last year.

01:24:20.000 This is their version of it.

01:24:22.000 Like, no matter where you put it up for a vote, affirmative action just gets killed.

01:24:25.000 It got killed in Michigan.

01:24:28.000 They had a vote.

01:24:28.000 Same thing.

01:24:31.000 I can't remember the other states off the top of my head, but we have like eight or nine different states that have had an up or down vote on racial preferences, whether it's in school admissions or in hiring or in other government programs.

01:24:43.000 And it just always fails.

01:24:44.000 And so here's a fact.

01:24:46.000 Since the Civil Rights Act passed, I think that it's fair to say any sort of racist sentiments that earn America have gone, at least individually amongst white people towards black people, have gone away almost to the way to the other extent where now there's like white guilt over compensating guilt.

01:25:01.000 But according to Nicole Hannah-Jones and Ibram X. Kendi and others, is that black America has not materially improved since the Civil Rights Act.

01:25:09.000 And that's the true thought crime.

01:25:12.000 It's actually gone the other way, Charlie.

01:25:12.000 Yeah.

01:25:14.000 No, they're like materially become poorer since the Civil Rights Act.

01:25:19.000 Yeah.

01:25:20.000 Right.

01:25:20.000 No, the point that I wanted to bring up, though, and this is something that I think conservatives totally overlook is that, and Andrew, you alluded to it, but you said, well, you know, there were people who opposed it, they were pushed away.

01:25:30.000 They were just pushed away.

01:25:31.000 Okay.

01:25:32.000 LBJ ordered the United States military to go into states to enforce this against people who disagreed.

01:25:41.000 The U.S. military was brought in and was used to enforce this.

01:25:45.000 And that's something that we don't talk about when the right talks about, oh, we're going to have a national divorce.

01:25:49.000 We're going to go and separate in a red America and blue America.

01:25:52.000 And like the left has been willing to do this since the 1960s to use military force.

01:25:59.000 Eisenhower did it.

01:26:00.000 Eisenhower did it in Little Rock.

01:26:02.000 There was Eisenhower originally and then LBJ as well.

01:26:04.000 Yeah.

01:26:05.000 Against Governor Wallace.

01:26:06.000 Yes.

01:26:07.000 The Little Rock 9 was under Eisenhower.

01:26:09.000 All right.

01:26:10.000 But my point is, though, it's all done in the name of desegregation.

01:26:13.000 It's done in the name of anti-racism.

01:26:15.000 It's done point.

01:26:16.000 The point is the left has been willing to enact or enforce, I should say, these policies through force, while the right will sit there and say, oh, well, you know, we just all want to get along and we all want to play by the standards.

01:26:29.000 And that's why the Overton window continues to always move to the left.

01:26:35.000 And so when we look at this type kind of stuff, we say, look, these are the same, by the way, the same types of policies to get back to, I think, where we started on all this is when we're talking about the transgender movement, we're talking about LGBT, they're using the exact same arguments that were born into U.S. law, not through the Constitution, but through the Civil Rights Act.

01:26:57.000 That's when the social stratification started.

01:27:00.000 And it's also where you just get every single law.

01:27:02.000 Like why we currently have it as federal law, thanks to a Supreme Court ruling, that you can't discriminate based on transgenderism or gender identity in hiring.

01:27:12.000 And it turns out, big secret was in 1964, when Congress said you can't discriminate in employment based on sex, they also included transgenderism.

01:27:20.000 Even though I looked it up, the word transgender was not invented until a year after this bill was passed.

01:27:27.000 But Congress totally voted to do it anyway.

01:27:30.000 Thank you.

01:27:30.000 Thank you, Neil Gorsen.

01:27:32.000 Completely created.

01:27:33.000 So Charlie, let me interject one thing here.

01:27:37.000 So I'm sort of behind the scenes most of the time producing this stuff.

01:27:43.000 If you're on Rumble and the Rumble Rants, two things.

01:27:46.000 So we're going to do the Deep Web Reveal next, but please do Rumble Rants.

01:27:54.000 Tell us what topics we should cover next week and questions that you have for us, and we'll answer them after the Deep Web Reveal.

01:28:01.000 So that's going to Rumble Rants.

01:28:03.000 Charlie will read them or Jack will read them if you leave them there.

01:28:08.000 And tell us what topics you want and what questions you have for us today.

01:28:13.000 Please do that.

01:28:13.000 And you guys can catch us every week at 8 p.m. Eastern.

01:28:18.000 You also can email me, freedom at charliekirk.com, as you watch it.

01:28:22.000 We never got a good answer on the thought crime question, Jack, but I guess we'll just leave it to the audience.

01:28:27.000 Why is it that 65% of black men abandon the women they impregnate?

01:28:32.000 That's a question that would be really interesting to have an answer from our audience, from CNN, but I don't think they're willing to even ask the question.

01:28:40.000 Even it might help.

01:28:42.000 Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:28:44.000 Final thoughts, Blake?

01:28:46.000 Well, are we going into the deep web reveal now?

01:28:49.000 Sure.

01:28:49.000 Deep web.

01:28:50.000 We got to wrap.

01:28:51.000 Well, so this is.

01:28:53.000 Is this real raw news?

01:28:54.000 Yeah, man.

01:28:56.000 If we don't have enough time, we have to hit it again next week.

01:28:59.000 This is a very important topic.

01:29:00.000 So with the deep web reveal, we try to go into topics that are not necessarily like news of the day.

01:29:05.000 And this is a topic I'm very passionate about sharing with the world, which is, and you guys can bring it up, bring up the laptop screen so people can gaze upon it.

01:29:14.000 But there's this news website, and we get a lot of, we get a decent number of emails about it.

01:29:18.000 Yes, there are people in our audience that read this.

01:29:21.000 Yeah.

01:29:21.000 So there's this website called realrawnews.com.

01:29:25.000 And it must have started, I went back to its deep origins, and it kind of just started, it was literally a fake news website, and it would have articles about like special forces fighting like lizard people or insectoids in Turkey.

01:29:39.000 And then around 2021, when it starts with the election, it pivots into what if I just started the guy is like, what if we start doing news about Trump?

01:29:48.000 And so it's this website with all these, it's got an entire alternate universe where Donald Trump is still president.

01:29:55.000 He's, there's a white hat movement in the military.

01:29:58.000 They are running military tribunals in Guantanamo Bay.

01:30:01.000 And they are, they are like the bloodiest set of military tribunals that have ever existed.

01:30:05.000 Yeah, Rochelle Walensky was just executed, according to Real Raw News.

01:30:08.000 Yes, yep, she was just executed.

01:30:09.000 Gretchen Whitmer was just sentenced to death.

01:30:12.000 She hasn't been executed yet.

01:30:13.000 Oh, so she's still, she's in, she's in.

01:30:15.000 She was just arrested.

01:30:16.000 I don't know who the governor of Michigan is now.

01:30:18.000 They don't really tend to follow up on this.

01:30:20.000 But Brian Stelter was killed.

01:30:21.000 Brian Stelter.

01:30:22.000 That's, I think, my all-time favorite.

01:30:24.000 But he had a very big last meal.

01:30:26.000 Yes.

01:30:26.000 So, like, here's an example of Brian Stelter executed.

01:30:29.000 Make sure it's on the screen there.

01:30:31.000 And so it's sources on the island told Real Raw News that guards roused Stelter from bed at 5 a.m. and told him to prepare for his big day.

01:30:40.000 Stelter gorged himself on scrambled eggs, hash browns, sausage patties, and whole wheat toast, with one source saying the breakfast could have fed five inmates.

01:30:52.000 No sooner had he finished eating than he began sobbing uncontrollably and rambling incoherently about how he, a world-famous broadcaster with millions of fans, was a victim of malicious prosecution whose only crime was endearing himself to young boys in whom he saw enormous potential.

01:31:10.000 Yes, and in Real Raw News, Brian Stelter is also a pedophile in their report.

01:31:15.000 In real life, there is no evidence of this.

01:31:17.000 I want to be very clear so he does not angrily sue us.

01:31:20.000 But in the real raw news universe, he said he had only touched children the way he himself had been touched as a child.

01:31:27.000 And when he is led to the gallows, he sobs and says, If you too were born a minor attracted person, it might be your head going in the noose.

01:31:36.000 I can't help who I am.

01:31:38.000 You'll have time for final words in a moment here, says Admiral Darcy Crandall.

01:31:43.000 I'm not sure how you say his name, but this is a real admiral, by the way.

01:31:45.000 Darcy Crandall.

01:31:46.000 So they mix his facts with things that are a real guy, and I really wonder what he thinks about all of this because he is the star of real raw news.

01:31:54.000 He is killing all sorts of people.

01:31:56.000 He kills Adam Schiff.

01:31:57.000 Adam Schiff faces a firing squad, but they like miss.

01:32:01.000 And so he's doing the worm on the ground, the article says.

01:32:05.000 You can bring it up here again, shifty Adam Schiff.

01:32:07.000 There's a fair amount of creativity put in there.

01:32:09.000 Yeah, it's a really vibrant universe.

01:32:11.000 Like no one ever just has a clean kill.

01:32:12.000 They always like beg for their lives.

01:32:15.000 One of them kind of was demonically possessed.

01:32:18.000 When Tom Hanks gets executed, he gets sentenced to death and he's just like, you may kill this body, but you cannot kill us, for we are Legion.

01:32:27.000 And he's like, really dumb.

01:32:28.000 Oh, yeah, right out of the book of Lake.

01:32:29.000 Yeah.

01:32:31.000 Jack, yeah, go ahead, Andrew.

01:32:32.000 Yeah.

01:32:33.000 No, go ahead.

01:32:34.000 Jack, why does real raw news matter?

01:32:38.000 Well, so it reminds me of, and I don't know if you guys remember this, but there used to be that sort of supermarket tabloid called Weekly World News.

01:32:46.000 They used to have stories about Batboy.

01:32:48.000 They used to have stories about the, you know, the civilizations found on the bottom of the moon and the bottom of the sea and the earth and inside the earth, whatever, that, you know, come out every week.

01:32:59.000 And it was, it was fun and it was silly, but, you know, people sort of had this understanding that you never were going to take it all that seriously.

01:33:08.000 With real raw news, I think it serves that same sort of satirical element where they're taking stories from real life, real life figures, people who have generated in many cases, obviously, either, you know, if you're on the left, you support these people.

01:33:24.000 If you're on the right, you may dislike these people very much.

01:33:27.000 And so what this is doing, it's basically fan fiction, right?

01:33:30.000 It's the idea of having fan fiction written out so that you can go into those dark fantasy worlds and then read your real raw news to see how the alternate universe was played.

01:33:44.000 It is a little deeper than that, I think.

01:33:46.000 First of all, if you check the stats on the traffic for Real Raw News, it gets more readers than like the New Republic.

01:33:52.000 Like multi-million views.

01:33:52.000 Is that right?

01:33:54.000 And if you read the comments, and every article has hundreds of comments, like let me just check this random one: 319 comments on the one I have up right now.

01:34:02.000 And there's a lot of people who like, obviously, I assume a lot don't take it seriously, but some do because they contact our show.

01:34:08.000 Yeah, I don't know how many, but I've been to events.

01:34:10.000 I was at an event once at a church and they said, Charlie, you know that Mark Milley's been executed.

01:34:17.000 And I said, what do you mean?

01:34:19.000 And they said, well, I read real raw news.

01:34:22.000 It really happened.

01:34:22.000 That's not a joke.

01:34:23.000 There's a clip where there was, I think, in early 22, right after Fauci got executed on Real Raw News.

01:34:28.000 And someone's interviewing someone at this COVID thing.

01:34:30.000 And this woman is like, well, the good news is Fauci's dead now.

01:34:34.000 And they're like, what?

01:34:35.000 And she's like, he's dead.

01:34:36.000 He's been taken care of.

01:34:38.000 And she seems 100% serious about it.

01:34:40.000 The other reason, though, that I think the site is interesting is it does get into a certain psychological, there is a wish fulfillment element to it.

01:34:50.000 And it's not necessarily the most upbeat one.

01:34:53.000 One that I think is very revealing is John Podesta.

01:34:56.000 In the universe of Real Raw News, Hillary Clinton's dead.

01:34:58.000 She was one of the first ones executed.

01:35:00.000 Huma Abedin, her lover, revealed that she was abducting children from Haiti to sell the pedophiles.

01:35:06.000 And so they convicted her for treason and executed her.

01:35:09.000 And another source of evidence, though, is John Podesta.

01:35:12.000 And John Podesta takes a plea deal with these white hat people in Gitmo, where he will give all the details on Hillary.

01:35:20.000 And afterwards, they will show clemency.

01:35:22.000 They'll just give him life in prison.

01:35:24.000 And so, you know, Hillary's executed.

01:35:26.000 And then they have this article here, which you can bring it up on the laptop again.

01:35:29.000 Military revokes Podesta plea deal.

01:35:33.000 Let him hang.

01:35:35.000 And so they just say, like, oh, you know, we looked at the details again, and actually Podesta's going to die.

01:35:39.000 We're just going to, we're just going to withdraw it and execute him because he's a bad dude.

01:35:43.000 And there's other trials where someone will be like, I have the right to an attorney.

01:35:47.000 And they'll like just punch them in the face.

01:35:48.000 And they'll be like, you are an enemy combatant without rights.

01:35:52.000 And so there is this element where people who want to believe this also want the system to be unfair.

01:35:57.000 Like they like the idea that these people are squirming while we're just like, haha, the rules, you don't have any rights.

01:36:03.000 And then they get executed by guillotine.

01:36:05.000 And by the way, you're missing, though, what you're missing is that MSNBC does this for the left and has been doing it for years.

01:36:12.000 If you watch Joy Reed, this is, she's, remember when they would talk about, oh, Trump's got the Secret Service there and the Secret Service are going to get in a standoff with the FBI when they come in.

01:36:21.000 Like, you don't have to go to some blog on the internet to find it if you're on the left.

01:36:24.000 It's just literally right there at Gable News.

01:36:27.000 Jack, that's so genius.

01:36:28.000 I totally agree with you.

01:36:29.000 I think this is like, I can't even tell you how many emails and Blake, Charlie, you guys can attest.

01:36:35.000 We get legitimate emails.

01:36:37.000 Now, most of the emails that we get at freedom at charliekirk.com are really smart, really like on it.

01:36:44.000 But there's a good amount of people that you can tell have been reading real raw news.

01:36:48.000 That's why we chose to, that's why we chose it to be a lot of people.

01:36:50.000 It's not some sort of weird fringe thing.

01:36:53.000 It's consumed.

01:36:54.000 And by the way, according to Real Raw News, Jeff Sessions, they just dropped all Charles.

01:36:58.000 He's the only one I've seen be acquitted.

01:37:00.000 I've been reading this for two years.

01:37:01.000 He's the only acquittal.

01:37:03.000 Everyone else has been convicted.

01:37:05.000 Only.

01:37:05.000 Not everyone has gotten the death penalty, but he is the only one who's been acquitted.

01:37:08.000 Was there a deal?

01:37:10.000 I have to provide information of some sort.

01:37:12.000 No, it seems the response they said is that Trump made a personal call to Guantanamo Bay and he said, this is a mistake.

01:37:20.000 He says that Jeff Sessions resigning was not him being fired.

01:37:23.000 It was kind of part of a secret operation that didn't work out and he can't reveal the details.

01:37:28.000 And they were like, we're sorry, Mr. President.

01:37:30.000 And remember, he's still president.

01:37:31.000 No, that's right.

01:37:31.000 According to Real Raw News, Trump is still president.

01:37:33.000 Yes, yes.

01:37:34.000 And in fact, Biden is not in the White House.

01:37:36.000 The White House is being guarded by Marines for Trump's triumphant return when he can reveal the truth to everyone.

01:37:42.000 And for now, it's just empty.

01:37:43.000 And Biden, who's played by an actor, is in like a studio in Delaware or something.

01:37:48.000 I have a couple questions.

01:37:50.000 Do we know if this is like the Babylon Bee's side hustle?

01:37:54.000 Like who's writing, who's writing these guys.

01:37:59.000 So you can do the second one and then I'll answer both.

01:38:01.000 All right, but secondly, like I think to Jack's point, the reason these things go viral and there's like so many views on these pages is because the right has been starved of actual consequences for the people that have hurt like our country and that got Trump impeached twice and that are trying to put him in prison for life.

01:38:21.000 And we can all see it clear as day, but the other half is living in their own information silo and they can't see it.

01:38:27.000 And so we've created this alternate universe, this fantasy fan fiction to sort of, I don't know, sort of satiate this need to see actual justice, albeit in this really dark way.

01:38:40.000 I'm not saying these people deserve to get executed, but I think this is like a really fascinating psychological study of what we've become in this era where the left owns all the institutions and we're just sitting here going like, when are we going to see anything besides Eric Kleinsmith getting a slap on the wrist and then going to practice law in D.C. again, even though he helped, he conspired to get Trump impeached, right?

01:39:03.000 Like, when are we going to see anything?

01:39:06.000 That's very true.

01:39:07.000 I think that is what people are grasping for, though I do have to say, some people are very, very gullible, I suppose.

01:39:14.000 The guy who writes it, it's all by some guy who calls himself Michael Baxter.

01:39:18.000 I don't know if that's a pseudonym or not.

01:39:19.000 He does raise money on Give, Send, Go, and he's raised like many tens of thousands of dollars out there.

01:39:26.000 Is that right?

01:39:26.000 Yeah, on his on his Give, Send, Go platform to, I mean, I'm not surprised.

01:39:31.000 I kind of want to donate to him.

01:39:32.000 You know, you check Citizen Free Press every day.

01:39:35.000 I do.

01:39:36.000 Real Raw News is, in fact, the only news site that I literally check every single Citizen Free Press up right now.

01:39:42.000 And you could combine the two and have a lot of power.

01:39:44.000 Citizen Free Press should link Real Raw News as well.

01:39:48.000 Everybody, email us your thoughts.

01:39:49.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

01:39:51.000 Jack, final thoughts?

01:39:52.000 Then Andrew Blake, and then I'll close it out.

01:39:55.000 Yeah, no, I think like with a lot of these things, I think that there are simple answers to all of them.

01:40:01.000 I think there's simple answers to what's going on in the inner city.

01:40:03.000 I know Betty Johnson was up in Philadelphia in my old stomping grounds at KNA, Kensington, and All Geny, seeing the human depravity.

01:40:11.000 There are simple answers to all of these problems, but the left doesn't want to hear them.

01:40:15.000 Andrew.

01:40:17.000 Well, I'm going to get to the rumble rant here.

01:40:20.000 We have KRZE Jills, Jules 4D, JT.

01:40:27.000 Please do this show once or do this show more than once a week.

01:40:32.000 Addicted to y'all from the AZ nightly vote counting fiasco.

01:40:36.000 Oh, she's talking about when we were doing the nightly after Kerry Lake, and then before that, after Trump, and we were doing the breakdowns of the election.

01:40:45.000 And then we have B2 American topic.

01:40:49.000 Why do liberal white women believe that they must sustain the liberal agenda when they aren't the victim?

01:40:59.000 Charlie, I know you have a lot of thoughts on this.

01:41:01.000 Why do white liberal women do what?

01:41:03.000 Believe that they must sustain the liberal agenda when they aren't the victim.

01:41:09.000 Oh.

01:41:10.000 I get it.

01:41:11.000 Oh, white guilt.

01:41:13.000 Yeah.

01:41:13.000 I mean, white liberal women are largely devoid of purpose.

01:41:17.000 They don't have husbands who satisfy them.

01:41:20.000 And so they look for other purpose.

01:41:22.000 And whether it be Xanax, Valium, Wine, or BLM, they have to find something to fill that void.

01:41:31.000 Yeah?

01:41:33.000 No, I think Charlie's largely right.

01:41:35.000 You will see more BLM flags in white liberal suburbs than you do in actual black neighborhoods in the inner city.

01:41:43.000 It's just like that.

01:41:44.000 You'll see more shrines to George Floyd.

01:41:46.000 I was actually in Annapolis in 2020.

01:41:49.000 And at the end of where the Navy Academy is, there's this huge mega yacht harbor there.

01:41:59.000 And they have like a shrine to George Floyd.

01:42:01.000 And I remember thinking that, none of you people are going to put George Floyd and his buddies on one of your yachts.

01:42:07.000 You're not going to sail up.

01:42:08.000 You know, Annapolis isn't that far from Baltimore, right?

01:42:10.000 They share the Chesapeake Bay.

01:42:12.000 Sail up there and see if you're going to let any of the boys from the wire hop on your boat.

01:42:17.000 Yeah, you're not going to do that.

01:42:18.000 But of course, they put it up to make themselves feel better.

01:42:20.000 And this really, White Guild is just sort of the modern iteration of white man's burden, something that popped up throughout colonialism and the British Empire.

01:42:29.000 And Kipling has an interesting writing on it.

01:42:32.000 Blake, final thoughts?

01:42:34.000 Well, really quick, just to make sure we do get every shout, because I do, you know, they do donate money.

01:42:39.000 We have Tableau P. Joe.

01:42:42.000 He asked us, we mentioned the spanking debate.

01:42:44.000 Without getting too much into it, can I get an idea of where you all stand?

01:42:48.000 Got to do it next week.

01:42:49.000 Next week.

01:42:50.000 Okay, next week we'll discuss spanking.

01:42:53.000 Is it right for corporal punishment for children?

01:42:56.000 That'll be fun.

01:42:57.000 That'll be fun.

01:42:58.000 And he also, the same guy actually sent us just supporting the new show, The World Needs to Hear More from Jack and Charlie.

01:43:03.000 And he left me out, so I won't say anymore.

01:43:06.000 Any final thoughts, guys, before we sum it up?

01:43:09.000 Anybody?

01:43:10.000 Wait, I want to make one comment on the liberal white guild.

01:43:14.000 I'm reminded of that gal.

01:43:16.000 I forget who it was.

01:43:17.000 Maybe you guys remember, but she was doing a seminar for white liberal women where she was telling them how racist they were, and they were paying to be Syrah Rao.

01:43:28.000 Are you talking about Syra Rao?

01:43:29.000 Yeah, it was a black woman who was doing a pay-for event around a well-lit table of white women to berate them of how racist they were.

01:43:38.000 I think it was Syra Rao.

01:43:39.000 She's like, I think she's Indian ethnically or some South Asian.

01:43:43.000 And it was like race to dinner or something.

01:43:45.000 And she would do these dinners with white women and be like, a friend of mine wanted me to host one of these dinners and I would have gone in in drag and taken part in it and just been like, I'm a woman.

01:43:57.000 And, you know, because they can't say I'm not a woman, but never actually came together before we decided to do other things with our lives than spend thousands of dollars on a fake race dinner.

01:44:06.000 Yeah, but I mean, it fills a void, right?

01:44:08.000 I mean, race, race, and trans stuff, if you are secular and you don't have a marriage that you're satisfied with and you don't go to church, you don't believe in the divine, you fill that void with these synthetic practices.

01:44:22.000 And so that's what drives liberal women, a lot of them.

01:44:27.000 And they lean on the academia environment a lot of them came from.

01:44:34.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:44:35.000 Email us your thoughts as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:44:38.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

01:44:43.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 24, 2023

ThoughtCrime Ep. 2: The Sub Sinks, Hot Conservative Women, The Cis Cage Match, Real Raw News

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