The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 20 — Bootgate? Is Halloween Dead? Rich and Childless?

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00:01:28.000 Welcome to Thought Crimes.

00:01:30.000 What episode is this, Blake?

00:01:31.000 20.

00:01:32.000 Is it really 20?

00:01:32.000 Around 20?

00:01:33.000 20 if you count the election special or the debate special we did.

00:01:36.000 Ah, can you believe we've done 20 of these?

00:01:38.000 Blake, great you're here.

00:01:40.000 Andrew, hello.

00:01:41.000 Hello, hello.

00:01:42.000 And Jack, let's just get right into it.

00:01:45.000 No use in suspense, the greatest political scandal ever, bigger than Watergate and Teapot Dome, which is otherwise known as Bootgate.

00:01:54.000 I want to play the tape, Jack, and we'll just set it up.

00:01:56.000 Okay.

00:01:56.000 Patrick Bett David, who is an American legend, one of my favorite guys in the media space, he had a very good interview with Ron DeSantis.

00:02:04.000 Actually, DeSantis was doing, I think, very well.

00:02:07.000 He was.

00:02:08.000 He totally was, Charlie.

00:02:10.000 And that's the sad part about all this.

00:02:12.000 And then it didn't go too well.

00:02:14.000 Play Cut 46.

00:02:16.000 I'm sure your marketing team points out how they're trying to troll you in the marketplace.

00:02:21.000 Okay, I'm sure they're doing that.

00:02:22.000 Can you bring this one clip?

00:02:23.000 I know you were on, what do you call it?

00:02:26.000 On what was it?

00:02:28.000 Bill Maher.

00:02:29.000 And Bill Maher talked about the boots.

00:02:30.000 I've seen you walk with these boots.

00:02:31.000 Go ahead and play this clip.

00:02:32.000 This on TikTok went viral.

00:02:34.000 It doesn't have a million views.

00:02:36.000 It doesn't have, you know, 10 million views.

00:02:38.000 This thing's got 1.2 million likes.

00:02:41.000 And some people are wondering, how do they?

00:02:44.000 I haven't seen that.

00:02:44.000 I don't even understand.

00:02:46.000 They have not shown this to you.

00:02:47.000 Okay, what they're trying to say with this is that in your boots, you have heels.

00:02:52.000 No, no, that's what they're trying to do.

00:02:53.000 Those are just standard, off-the-rack.

00:02:55.000 Lucasi.

00:02:57.000 How tall are you?

00:02:58.000 How tall are you, Governor?

00:02:59.000 5'11?

00:02:59.000 How 11?

00:03:00.000 Okay.

00:03:01.000 Why don't you wear tennis shoes and dress shoes?

00:03:05.000 Oh, you guys don't have the best part.

00:03:07.000 Ryan!

00:03:08.000 Wait, where's the end?

00:03:09.000 I know.

00:03:10.000 Oh, we got to get it.

00:03:11.000 We'll get it.

00:03:11.000 We'll get the end.

00:03:12.000 Fukesi, Fugazi, Jack, what's going on here?

00:03:15.000 All right.

00:03:16.000 So the greatest and most important political scandal of this, really, of this or any historical epoch, of course, is Bootgate.

00:03:30.000 You know, you thought Epstein Island was bad.

00:03:32.000 You thought Hillary's emails were bad. 0.99

00:03:35.000 You thought all the uranium won, you know, all of it, Benghazi.

00:03:38.000 No, It brings us now to Bootgate.

00:03:43.000 So this actually started.

00:03:46.000 Oh, of course, you know, I see some folks in the chat are already saying 9-11, which Bush did, is even worse.

00:03:52.000 You know, I see people in the chat saying that.

00:03:55.000 I don't know if I'm prepared to go there, but I am saying this is rough.

00:03:59.000 You know, it really started hard to say exactly when Bootgate started, but uh, certainly there was, you know, there was a um, you know, a precursor to boot gate of bootgate 1.0.

00:04:10.000 So there's actually a two-part um section to boot gate because bootgate began with the original white boots that I think was Hurricane Ian that he was wearing that kind of looked like the boots that the green MM wears when they do the MM's commercials on the like the cartoon MMs or whatever.

00:04:30.000 That was the original uh boot gate.

00:04:32.000 This is the his origin story, almost like a Marvel hero, if you will.

00:04:37.000 Um, where then he said, Okay, I'll never wear those again, but I'm gonna wear cowboy boots.

00:04:42.000 And the cowboy boots led people to start questioning things about the height of Governor DeSantis, as well as people who have conducted events with Governor DeSantis.

00:04:51.000 People have met him.

00:04:52.000 I've met him.

00:04:53.000 I'm sure most of the people on this show have met Governor DeSantis at one point or another in person.

00:04:59.000 And we've noticed that his height seems to kind of fluctuate in a way that you know, a normal person's height just doesn't.

00:05:10.000 And then there was the way he was sitting with these boots on the Bill Maher show.

00:05:16.000 You can see his height here in tennis shoes with Bill Malugan from Fox.

00:05:21.000 We're actually, he's, excuse me, Bill is wearing tennis shoes in this picture.

00:05:25.000 Whereas DeSantis, even, and I don't know if we can zoom in and hands folks back in the CSI thought crime lab there, but actually, those boots as well that he's wearing do contain fake heels.

00:05:39.000 Bill Malugan, by the way, who through a thought crime investigation, our investigatory team found, is actually about 6'4.

00:05:47.000 So he's actually about 6'4.

00:05:49.000 That's why he's easily able to wear tennis shoes like that and tower over just about anybody.

00:05:54.000 The problem is, if someone were actually 5'11, that's not what they would look like if they were standing next to someone who was 6'4.

00:06:00.000 Hold on.

00:06:01.000 Jack, can we just take a second, go back to that image?

00:06:05.000 You could put it in the center.

00:06:08.000 Why is he standing that way?

00:06:11.000 Like, that's not the heels.

00:06:14.000 That's just him standing toes.

00:06:17.000 Again, like the whole thing is very awkward.

00:06:19.000 Yeah, so I think that contributes to this.

00:06:21.000 The pigeon-toed stance is something that we've identified through memology of Governor DeSantis that goes really back all the way until when he was a congressman.

00:06:33.000 It goes back to the time where he first ran for office.

00:06:35.000 This stance you will find in numerous instances.

00:06:38.000 So, anyway, the video went viral.

00:06:42.000 So, there was an issue, by the way, as well, where Ashley St. Clair, who is at Babylon B, did a TikTok video making fun of the boots and just kind of like a silly boot video of herself putting on boots, thigh highs.

00:06:54.000 And the Xanis campaign responded to her.

00:06:57.000 Again, this is the Babylon B.

00:06:58.000 They make jokes for a living over there, in case anyone doesn't know that by now, and satire of all political candidates.

00:07:05.000 It's literally what they're paid to do.

00:07:06.000 But the Xanis campaign launched a very strong attack on the Babylon B and Ashley St. Clair for making this, again, satirical video.

00:07:17.000 This all leads to Patrick B. David asking this question.

00:07:21.000 These are some memes.

00:07:22.000 That's one of Johnny Maga's memes. 1.00

00:07:24.000 Haha, Trump is going to die in prison. 0.98

00:07:26.000 No, the boots are off limits. 0.99

00:07:28.000 We have to talk policy.

00:07:31.000 I have about 500 of these memes at this point in my phone, and I was texting them to Don Jr. when he was in court this week.

00:07:40.000 Then it just got to the point where it started blowing up, and I launched the hashtag Bootgate.

00:07:49.000 Many people then got in on this and hashtag bootgate, believe it or not, became the number two trend on all of X on Halloween this week.

00:07:58.000 So we couldn't be couldn't unseat happy Halloween on Halloween Day itself.

00:08:03.000 But number two, I'm going to say that's basically number one because you're never going to beat a holiday hashtag on a holiday, but we were, we were basically number one.

00:08:11.000 The memes were flying, people were screaming.

00:08:14.000 And Andrew, I want to throw something else out there as well, because this is something that really speaks to the heart of it.

00:08:21.000 Because there were people who were claiming that I was making fun of his height or that any of us were making fun of his height.

00:08:28.000 And I wanted to point this out for just to be very clear for people.

00:08:30.000 We're not making fun of his height.

00:08:32.000 We're making fun of the fact that he's obviously lying about it and he's lying to everyone about that.

00:08:39.000 By the way, guys, have you ever met someone who says they're 5'11?

00:08:43.000 Just in all seriousness, have you ever met someone who says that?

00:08:47.000 No, they round up.

00:08:49.000 They'll usually round up.

00:08:51.000 Yeah, if you're 5'11, you say 6'11.

00:08:52.000 You're 5'10.

00:08:53.000 Yeah, no, that's right.

00:08:54.000 Yeah, you say 6'5.

00:08:55.000 So who says 5'11?

00:08:57.000 When people ask me how tall I am, I kind of say, I don't know.

00:09:01.000 I'm like, I guess I'm, I mean, once you kind of hit 6'2, like an actual 6'2, 6'3, 6'4, you don't have to.

00:09:08.000 It doesn't matter anymore.

00:09:09.000 It really doesn't matter.

00:09:10.000 It's like height is not part of your identity, right?

00:09:13.000 So it is your identity.

00:09:15.000 Oh, well, yeah, it's your identity, but it's not something you consciously think about all the time, right?

00:09:20.000 So let me ask you: so, so, Jack, we got to play the other tape here.

00:09:24.000 Okay, we have to play it.

00:09:25.000 So it's just too good.

00:09:27.000 And by the way, so Ron DeSantis is offered a gift.

00:09:31.000 And instead of like playing along, this is of the whole personage.

00:09:35.000 We got a person.

00:09:36.000 All right.

00:09:37.000 I have to say the whole part of the tape, this is what bothered me the most.

00:09:40.000 Wait, All right.

00:09:42.000 Play cut 112.

00:09:45.000 Why don't you wear tennis shoes and dress shoes?

00:09:48.000 I do wear tennis shoes when I work out.

00:09:50.000 Yeah.

00:09:50.000 You do.

00:09:51.000 Okay.

00:09:51.000 I got a gift for you.

00:09:52.000 I'd love for you to wear.

00:09:54.000 Okay.

00:09:54.000 I shop at Fergamo.

00:09:57.000 Okay.

00:10:01.000 I don't accept gifts.

00:10:02.000 I can't accept it.

00:10:03.000 I totally get it.

00:10:04.000 I'm sorry.

00:10:05.000 Oh, man.

00:10:06.000 I'm serious.

00:10:07.000 It's so bad.

00:10:09.000 What do you think?

00:10:09.000 It's a bunch of gold bars, man.

00:10:11.000 The energy is so bad.

00:10:12.000 He's setting him up.

00:10:14.000 He was setting him up.

00:10:16.000 No, I mean, but you know, it would have been funny if DeSantis, like, what he got, a bunch of gold bars there.

00:10:20.000 You're trying to bribe me.

00:10:21.000 Like, take on an acceptance.

00:10:22.000 It's really bad.

00:10:23.000 You just, you're like, Derek.

00:10:25.000 It's really Bob Menendez.

00:10:28.000 I'm not going down like Menendez. 1.00

00:10:30.000 Like the Egyptian. 1.00

00:10:31.000 It was such a tell. 1.00

00:10:32.000 It was such a tell.

00:10:33.000 I think that was the hard part to watch about it.

00:10:35.000 Because I think of us four on this show right now, I might have been the most enthusiastic about DeSantis.

00:10:44.000 I was always Trump, but I wanted my heart went out to him, especially at the beginning.

00:10:50.000 I wanted to protect him for 2028, really.

00:10:53.000 I think that is where it came down to.

00:10:55.000 But it's so hard to watch this because you know that that's essentially an admission that he is putting heels in his boots because you could see the sweat like beads forming on his forehead going, if I take these off, he'll know that I actually do have heels and I just denied it.

00:11:14.000 And so he instantly held an energistic response.

00:11:17.000 Even just the bad energy in his voice as he interrupts.

00:11:20.000 I can't accept it.

00:11:22.000 I can't take it.

00:11:23.000 Just you could, one, if Donald Trump was presented, let's just imagine an alternate universe where Trump is getting offered the same thing.

00:11:31.000 If he would say something different, one, but two, even if you were, he was for whatever reason constrained to say the same thing, he would actually manage to say it better.

00:11:40.000 He would say, like, I, you know, you know, Patrick, you know, you said it up.

00:11:44.000 Like you said, you got the gold bars there.

00:11:46.000 You got the gold bars.

00:11:46.000 Exactly.

00:11:47.000 Tell me back when you got the gold bars.

00:11:48.000 Ferragamo.

00:11:49.000 Is that the best you could do, Patrick?

00:11:51.000 You're not a billionaire like me.

00:11:53.000 I have a shoe store that is worth more than Ron DeSantis's.

00:11:56.000 Yeah, but I mean, so there's many layers here, right?

00:11:59.000 So, so, Jack, I know you want to continue to emphasize the cover-up of the hype.

00:12:04.000 You can't help yourself.

00:12:04.000 Go ahead, Jack.

00:12:05.000 Go ahead. 1.00

00:12:06.000 No, and it's not just the cover of the hype, but to your point about the rudeness here, that when you come from Eastern cultures, to offer someone a gift is one of the highest signs of generosity. 0.99

00:12:19.000 It's one of the highest signs of charity. 0.80

00:12:21.000 And quite possibly, the rudest thing that you could do is to publicly reject a gift from somebody.

00:12:30.000 And even if, which, by the way, I'm pretty sure I've seen Ron DeSantis accept gifts before in public, and people have found pictures of him doing so.

00:12:39.000 But it's also like millions of people are watching.

00:12:41.000 No one thinks you're getting puppied off, man.

00:12:44.000 I mean, like, you could have been like, thanks, Patrick.

00:12:44.000 Right.

00:12:46.000 Really appreciate it.

00:12:47.000 Right.

00:12:48.000 I mean, it's like, okay, thanks for the ethics, you know, code.

00:12:51.000 And it says, you know, accepting gifts in understanding of it influencing government policy.

00:12:57.000 Right?

00:12:57.000 That's, that's exactly what he could.

00:13:00.000 Oh, you can't have Christmas.

00:13:01.000 We really think that there's going to be an ethics investigation launched into Ron DeSantis over Ferragamos given online.

00:13:06.000 I mean, we shouldn't put anything beyond Democrats.

00:13:09.000 He just flies onto the spectrum.

00:13:11.000 No, but you don't even have to take them.

00:13:12.000 You could have just, you could have just like, you just could have just been like, yeah, thanks, Patrick, and leave it there.

00:13:16.000 And then afterwards, be like, Patrick, I appreciate the gesture.

00:13:18.000 I can't do gifts.

00:13:19.000 You know, it's great.

00:13:20.000 Nice of you.

00:13:20.000 Like, you do it after the live stream, right?

00:13:22.000 Or your staff handles it.

00:13:23.000 And I like, it's also, by the way, I don't do gifts.

00:13:26.000 It's like, have you never been on, like, have you never seen a podcast, bro?

00:13:30.000 Like, he's obviously trying to do a bit on a podcast where it's Ron DeSantis wearing Ferragamos.

00:13:35.000 And then, like, that's like, he's trying to, it was the real thing.

00:13:38.000 He's trying to help you out.

00:13:40.000 Well, it's also that if DeSantis took off his shoes and showed he wasn't wearing, you know, lifts and put on the Ferragamos, he could have just ended the whole thing.

00:13:49.000 What if, what if it's deeper than that?

00:13:51.000 He took off the shoes and reveals he's also standing on stilts.

00:13:56.000 Reveals he's just three, he's just three children.

00:13:59.000 He's three eight-year-olds all stacked on top of each other.

00:14:02.000 Like they're on top of each other.

00:14:03.000 You know, like Donald trying to get into an RW movie.

00:14:06.000 So I had an opportunity.

00:14:07.000 I had an opportunity to sit down with someone close to the DeSantis campaign recently.

00:14:12.000 And it was a very candid conversation.

00:14:14.000 We could have gone better.

00:14:14.000 It went fine.

00:14:16.000 And I said, you guys do realize you are sort of a running joke right now in conservative meme culture.

00:14:21.000 They're like, no, no, no, people love us online.

00:14:23.000 They said, we have a whole, you know, we spend a lot of money.

00:14:26.000 I'm not kidding you, Blake.

00:14:27.000 They said, we spend a lot of money every month.

00:14:28.000 I kid you not.

00:14:29.000 They're like, we spend a lot of money and people love us.

00:14:32.000 And the influencer, I was like, look, guys, I'm actually trying to help you here.

00:14:38.000 I know, but meaning that they're like, but what they were referencing is that piece that showed that, you know, DeSantis waged war online and lost.

00:14:46.000 They thought it was like a great piece that like, you know, they're fighting the meme war and that there's going to be Blake, just as objectively as you could take, is DeSantis winning the online war?

00:14:56.000 He is not winning the online war.

00:14:58.000 It is. 1.00

00:14:59.000 It's like the Ukrainians. 1.00

00:15:00.000 It's sad. 0.98

00:15:01.000 It's sad for Israel, Ron DeSantis.

00:15:04.000 I'm like, you know, I'm like Andrew.

00:15:07.000 I, you know, broadly speaking, like you, I like you.

00:15:09.000 I think he's a good governor.

00:15:10.000 I like, I've always said kind things.

00:15:12.000 I like essentially a lot of Jack because I like a lot of aspects of his governance style, but politics is as much about narrative.

00:15:21.000 I was very nice.

00:15:22.000 We all know.

00:15:22.000 Fine, Jack.

00:15:23.000 Politics is about vibe.

00:15:25.000 It's about narrative.

00:15:26.000 And there's this, just, there's a very doomed vibe over the entire DeSantis operation.

00:15:31.000 And is that fair?

00:15:33.000 Probably not, but it doesn't matter if you, you know, people want to follow people who have the right energy, who have that leadership, who have charisma.

00:15:43.000 And what we've seen over the last Six, eight, 10 months is the DeSantis campaign doesn't have that energy.

00:15:52.000 It doesn't have that sense of charisma.

00:15:55.000 It would be very difficult to turn it around right now.

00:15:59.000 And, you know, I hear a lot of people say, like, oh, he needs to get out and save himself for 2028.

00:16:04.000 At this point, it's like he has to get out so that we can make sure that Florida still has a Republican governor in two more years.

00:16:10.000 Yeah, well, now this has launched a big investigation.

00:16:12.000 Let's play Cut 113.

00:16:14.000 And fourth tonight for the Republicans, Ron DeSantis.

00:16:21.000 Went to Yale. 1.00

00:16:23.000 Has a slande drive.

00:16:25.000 Base hit the right field.

00:16:31.000 Yeah, he went to Yale and he played baseball there.

00:16:33.000 He was captain of the Varsity baseball team in his senior year.

00:16:40.000 Have we ever seen Ron DeSantis and Jose Altuve in a room together?

00:16:46.000 No Riz Ron.

00:16:48.000 No Riz Ron.

00:16:49.000 Did you guys see there were people actually counting the steps because they were saying, okay, it's 90 feet from home plate to first base.

00:16:57.000 And so if Ron DeSantis' stride is usually about three feet, how many steps does it take to get, you know, from one of the people were counting this?

00:17:05.000 It was about 24, by the way.

00:17:06.000 Most people were saying 24.

00:17:08.000 But I actually know a guy who is a fan of the show, fan of Thought Crime and Human Events.

00:17:14.000 And I said, who is a former MLB scout?

00:17:18.000 He's one of these guys who would go all around the world, you know, scouting high schools, et cetera, for players.

00:17:24.000 And so someone who I knew could probably watch a piece of baseball footage and see somebody and look at the strike box and kind of know what strike boxes.

00:17:34.000 It's great.

00:17:34.000 Yeah.

00:17:35.000 I'm sorry, I'm a Phillies fan.

00:17:37.000 That it was basically like not, you know, knees to shoulders, et cetera, where we're going to go from this.

00:17:46.000 And that's why I showed it to him two seconds later.

00:17:48.000 He goes, 5'9.

00:17:50.000 That was what I said.

00:17:50.000 5'9.

00:17:51.000 Remember in the chat when I saw that clip?

00:17:54.000 I said it to me.

00:17:55.000 You know and him at the same time.

00:17:56.000 You know what's so funny?

00:17:58.000 As someone who is on the verge of being freakishly tall, this actually doesn't bother me.

00:18:03.000 You know who it bothers the most is short people.

00:18:05.000 They're like, you're cheating.

00:18:07.000 That's who I've actually seen the most outrage from.

00:18:10.000 Is they're like, no, you should suffer with the rest of us and not fake your way to it.

00:18:15.000 Is this a question of morality, Blake?

00:18:16.000 Is he lying?

00:18:17.000 I mean, it is a question of morality.

00:18:19.000 And, you know, we're getting into really lurid topics here because, you know, what are the worst atrocities we've ever seen? 0.63

00:18:26.000 You know, Edward Kennedy, Ted Kennedy, he killed a girl, Chapaquiddon, Chap Aquittick.

00:18:31.000 And that's a pretty bad scandal.

00:18:34.000 You know, we had Watergate.

00:18:35.000 We've had 9-11, which Bush did, killed all those people.

00:18:40.000 And I think if you took all of those scandals combined, you would maybe be at one tenth of the moral atrocity that Ron DeSantis faking his height is.

00:18:51.000 Maybe.

00:18:52.000 It might be better to round to one 100th.

00:18:54.000 This is probably the worst scandal to ever happen in the history of the human species.

00:19:01.000 But here's the question, though.

00:19:02.000 I mean, none of those were disqualifying, Blake, but this actually could be the nail in the coffin for Andrew.

00:19:12.000 Explain how his team doesn't get this.

00:19:14.000 That's what's so frustrating.

00:19:16.000 Yeah, I mean, without getting.

00:19:18.000 Yeah, I want to put all of the caveats that you did.

00:19:21.000 We keep our conversations with the campaigns, you know, mostly private unless we don't have to.

00:19:27.000 But yeah, I mean, Charlie's point of it is that it was like, wait, what do you mean?

00:19:31.000 The interview went great.

00:19:33.000 No, and Jack actually knows this better than anybody.

00:19:37.000 I mean, and Jack, I want to back you up, actually.

00:19:39.000 You were really reserved with Ron DeSantis at first.

00:19:43.000 You were trying.

00:19:44.000 I remember because you and I were chatting a lot offline about it, about you know, some of the stuff that was coming out and how we were going to approach it publicly, how we're going to deal with it.

00:19:52.000 And you were really reserved, but then it just got to a point where I remember you and Cernovich were talking about this a lot.

00:20:00.000 It was like the absolute insufferability of a DeSantis influencer online.

00:20:05.000 They are aggressive. 0.96

00:20:06.000 They're deranged.

00:20:08.000 I don't, you know, it's so impossible to stay on the sidelines and deal with these people in like a normal way.

00:20:15.000 They just got so unhinged that it forced everybody into these corners.

00:20:21.000 And what the DeSantis camp doesn't understand is that their influencers are not influencing anybody to do anything except run as far away from that guy as they can.

00:20:31.000 And you got like this Bill Mitchell guy who literally doesn't let anybody reply in his comments except approved followers because he's gotten so badly trolled.

00:20:42.000 These people do more harm to the DeSantis campaign than they have any idea.

00:20:46.000 And we tried to tell them, we tried to tell them you're getting cornered into this establishment box. 0.98

00:20:52.000 You're getting cornered in this like nerd dork box.

00:20:55.000 And when I saw this story, Breg Bootgate, I was like, there's nothing we could do for this guy anymore. 0.57

00:21:00.000 I genuinely don't know that you can save him for 2028, let alone to Blake's point, if we got to start worrying about Florida now.

00:21:09.000 Right.

00:21:09.000 So there's a couple of things going on with this, right?

00:21:11.000 Number one, it's the reason why the meme works.

00:21:14.000 And this is like, I'll, you know, kind of peel back to Vale a little bit on why we're doing this.

00:21:19.000 First is, as you guys have all said, that it's because they can't allow this thing to exist.

00:21:26.000 They try to fact check the memes.

00:21:27.000 They try to put community notes on the memes.

00:21:31.000 They kind of attack the people for posting the memes.

00:21:33.000 They become shrill.

00:21:34.000 They become angry.

00:21:35.000 And so then that forces you to double down on it.

00:21:38.000 That forces, that makes you want to continue it.

00:21:40.000 And again, it's because they won't even lean into it and joke like other people that, you know, like Steve Bannon, for example, isn't like super tall or anything.

00:21:51.000 Senator Rand Paul is, I would say he was, he's shorter than average, but nobody cares because he just sort of like wears it and owns it and does his thing and he does great work.

00:22:01.000 And we all love Senator Paul and it's just a thing, right?

00:22:04.000 Nobody, he doesn't make it a thing himself.

00:22:06.000 With DeSantis, because he's so insecure about it, that's actually what we're playing on.

00:22:12.000 And this is something that, Charlie, I'm sure you remember that Patrick Bett David had actually said a couple of months ago about Ron DeSantis.

00:22:21.000 And it was interesting to me that Patrick Bett David was the one who had identified this because I wondered if that played into him then sort of having this, obviously making the decision as anybody does as an interviewer of what you're going to play, what topics you're going to bring up.

00:22:37.000 Because Patrick Bett David had said that Ron DeSantis seems like the kind of guy who structured his entire life about being terrified of being perceived as breaking a rule, right?

00:22:48.000 Like the kind of guy who tries to get a perfect score on his SATs, who tries to do everything perfect, but who will say, oh, well, and this is, you know, Patrick Bett David, and I'm paraphrasing.

00:22:57.000 So, oh, I can't kiss that.

00:22:59.000 I can't kiss that girl because then I'd get in trouble. 1.00

00:23:01.000 This is what happened.

00:23:01.000 Oh, I can't punch that guy in the face because then this, this, this would happen.

00:23:04.000 I might run for office one day and that might come back at me.

00:23:07.000 And it just becomes so insecure and so terrified of ever breaking a rule that it leads you down these paths where if you're confronted with something that isn't within those, you know, those set lines, if you're not coloring within the lines, that they just completely fall apart.

00:23:25.000 And that's exactly what he did when DeSantis was on.

00:23:28.000 And I'm not saying that he intended to do that, but I do find it interesting that that's how it played out.

00:23:33.000 The other piece of this is why does bootgate matter so much?

00:23:37.000 Because when you play on this specific thing, something like a person's physical stature, it's not just about that.

00:23:43.000 It's also about their social status.

00:23:47.000 And in this case, what it really is, is a sexual humiliation.

00:23:50.000 And when I say that, it's because we're showing that this is someone who's insecure.

00:23:54.000 This is someone who feels like he can't defend himself.

00:23:56.000 This is someone who doesn't have confidence.

00:23:58.000 This is someone who's worried about being able to defend his family, defend his immediate vicinity, defend his property, whatever it is.

00:24:06.000 And so when you sexually humiliate somebody, that is something that nobody can come back from in public. 0.89

00:24:12.000 This is why the rise of the word cuck and the term cockservative, which is the full term, all played out. 0.65

00:24:19.000 Coxervative became so prevalent online in 2015 and 2016. 0.86

00:24:24.000 It's because we would be going around to these people like Paul Ryan, like Mitt Romney, and we call them coxservatives.

00:24:31.000 It wasn't that we were saying that you're not a conservative. 0.90

00:24:34.000 We're saying that you are a wuss, that you're low T, that you're low energy. 0.53

00:24:38.000 You don't have the ability to back up anything that it is that you're saying. 0.98

00:24:42.000 And interestingly enough, these are the same people who also seem to push for war.

00:24:47.000 These are the same people who use appeals to authority, et cetera, et cetera.

00:24:50.000 There's a whole litany of this.

00:24:52.000 This gets into the weak men, hard times sort of fourth-turning cycle.

00:24:57.000 And so when you're painting somebody with that brush and then you have successfully painted them with that brush of a sexual humiliation, that's really something it becomes very, very hard to get past.

00:25:09.000 Ever.

00:25:10.000 Yeah.

00:25:10.000 So, I mean, I want to, he just comes across in that podcast as somebody insecure, right?

00:25:17.000 And that's a hard thing to shake once that is the vibe that people receive.

00:25:22.000 And it's just, it's totally incompatible with being a president of the United States.

00:25:27.000 Running against Alpha Male Trump.

00:25:29.000 And everyone just intuits that.

00:25:31.000 I don't think we've had a variety of personalities become president, but I don't know that we've ever had a profoundly insecure person become president because it's just how, how does that come to be?

00:25:41.000 At least not in the modern era.

00:25:43.000 Well, it's also that it's just such a misunderstanding for their team to think they're doing well.

00:25:48.000 I'm not, I'm by no means an expert, but I'm enough where I can see who's winning and losing in meme culture and who's actually who gets it and who doesn't.

00:25:58.000 Jack, you're going to have to, Jack, you have to call for the tape.

00:26:01.000 I refuse.

00:26:01.000 Or Andrew, if you really want to play this, but this is just one of hundreds of these that exist.

00:26:07.000 There's an AI that went up.

00:26:10.000 It's 114.

00:26:11.000 And yeah, let's just go for it. 0.88

00:26:14.000 I feel a lot more freedom, a lot more empowered when I don't let my clothes show my gender that day.

00:26:22.000 I love my high-heeled boots.

00:26:24.000 They make me feel like I'm riding hard.

00:26:27.000 And nobody knows just how tiny I am.

00:26:29.000 Instead, I feel tall and important.

00:26:33.000 Please clap. 0.69

00:26:35.000 It's from the great C3P meme, from the great C3P meme. 0.57

00:26:40.000 And again, it speaks to sexual insecurity.

00:26:44.000 It really does.

00:26:44.000 And there's something about Ron DeSantis that's always given off an air of insecurity.

00:26:49.000 It's something that if you're conducting a meme campaign or if you're just involved in politics, marketing, you identify these things.

00:26:58.000 You size them up.

00:26:59.000 And so, you know, looking at a guy that that's clearly that uptight, that insecure, you would obviously want to, you know, go through all of these things.

00:27:08.000 And by the way, like, I want to explain to people that this isn't something that just like randomly occurred.

00:27:13.000 Okay.

00:27:14.000 This is something that the meme warriors have been focused on and have been researching for really months when it comes to Ron DeSantis.

00:27:21.000 This is something where people have in, and I'm in hundreds of chat rooms where people are talking about these chat groups, just all areas of the night.

00:27:31.000 Yeah, this is the one, Donald Trump Jr. Posted this one from the courtroom of that's Ron DeSantis and his the state of Italy, the country of Italy has become his boots, his high-top boots.

00:27:44.000 That's actually one where Brent, the guy who made it, actually, that's his body.

00:27:49.000 He went and took a picture of himself standing at that angle.

00:27:52.000 So that's not even Ron DeSantis.

00:27:54.000 He just did that himself so it would perfectly fit with the boot of Italy.

00:27:59.000 That's the level that our guys will go on.

00:28:02.000 And again, this is something where, and Andrew and to the rest, like, you know, we explained to them what would happen a year ago, that all of this would come to pass if they decided to take a run at Trump.

00:28:13.000 And that this was always in the cards.

00:28:16.000 It was always going to end up like this.

00:28:18.000 I don't want to be clear.

00:28:19.000 This is not just like a thought crime thing.

00:28:21.000 Number two, trending on X was covered on all of the mainstream media networks.

00:28:26.000 The liberals were covering it.

00:28:27.000 Irresistible.

00:28:27.000 The conservatives were covering it.

00:28:29.000 Every article, it's all over TikTok, by the way.

00:28:32.000 So then it started trending on TikTok.

00:28:33.000 We were playing that video earlier where he's just walking very awkwardly in his boots.

00:28:38.000 And I think this is just something where it's become sort of a forever label that he's going to be known as the boots guy.

00:28:45.000 So just lean into it.

00:28:49.000 That AI clip, I'm just thinking how that's going to totally revolutionize politics.

00:28:54.000 Like, how much stronger is it going to be in a year where it's going to totally fool people?

00:28:58.000 Now imagine, you know, no offense, like there's a lot of old voters who they already struggle with text articles.

00:29:04.000 Like you've seen the emails we get where it's like people say, Charlie, did you hear Katie Hobbes got executed?

00:29:09.000 Got executed, arrested, we get a couple of things.

00:29:12.000 Now imagine we have video clips where it's, you know, we have seen Donald Trump is overseeing the executions.

00:29:18.000 And it also makes me wonder: will Donald Trump be the GOP nominee forever?

00:29:23.000 Because even after he's sadly departed this world, people won't accept that he's dead.

00:29:29.000 I mean, after the media reports it.

00:29:31.000 After the media report, they'll just run him as AI.

00:29:33.000 Just run AI Trump.

00:29:35.000 There's enough footage.

00:29:36.000 He's probably the most AIable person in the world.

00:29:40.000 No one has more footage of him.

00:29:42.000 I have a theory on why this is so devastating.

00:29:45.000 It's because it plays into all of the little whisper, rumor mill stuff that was already circulating about Ron DeSantis, that he was awkward with people, that he wasn't that warm, that all the local politicians, I mean, when you have all of Florida, basically, and just breaking this week is Rick Scott has now endorsed President Trump for 2024.

00:30:08.000 When you have all of Florida that's supposed to know you best, say, and I think Stube, Congressman Stube, said that he never heard from Ron DeSantis before he was trying to endorse somebody.

00:30:21.000 And so he just said, hey, if you're not Trump following me, I'm going with.

00:30:24.000 Yeah.

00:30:25.000 Yeah.

00:30:25.000 When he had that big accident.

00:30:27.000 So you have all of these things that we hear about and everybody's kind of whispering about.

00:30:31.000 Is Ron a little like a genuine question?

00:30:34.000 Is Ron a little bit autistic?

00:30:37.000 A little bit. 0.99

00:30:38.000 Maybe he is.

00:30:38.000 Maybe, maybe he's not.

00:30:39.000 All right.

00:30:40.000 I'm just saying, people, people, this is what everybody just says.

00:30:43.000 By the way, by the way, Andrew, and I'll just say this, because you and I had this conversation, was it October?

00:30:51.000 No, it's November already.

00:30:52.000 It was over a year ago, you and I had this conversation about DeSantis.

00:30:55.000 And I said at the time, what he needs to do is very clear, is you need to lean into it.

00:31:02.000 Drop the Florida guy act because it's clearly not working.

00:31:05.000 It's not getting over. 0.80

00:31:07.000 Go change your uniform, change your stripes. 0.62

00:31:10.000 What you do is you rebrand.

00:31:12.000 And you remember when Bill Maher gave him this shout out the one time and said, you know, something that's interesting about Ron DeSantis that he actually reads, he understands the data, he understands COVID, he understands vaccines, and people were really talking about that.

00:31:24.000 Lean in on the Ron DeSantis is a wonky, you know, maybe a little bit awkward, but nerdy kind of smart guy.

00:31:33.000 And so I would have, I said, drop the boots, drop the jacket.

00:31:39.000 He's got to keep trying to build this stuff.

00:31:41.000 He's already leaning forward because honestly, what I said, the best thing that he could do is just put a pair of glasses on him.

00:31:52.000 Literally, just put a pair of glasses on him.

00:31:54.000 It could just be the blue blockers or something.

00:31:56.000 And he will come across as, you know, kind of like more of a Blake.

00:32:01.000 And it's just more accurate to what he actually is.

00:32:05.000 But is this a law?

00:32:05.000 Just embrace.

00:32:07.000 Is this a flaw of our modern political system, though?

00:32:10.000 Because genuinely, DeSantis is a good operator.

00:32:14.000 He's a good manager of the state of...

00:32:16.000 Well, yeah.

00:32:17.000 I mean, but it kind of makes me think, it makes me think back to when they first televised the presidential debate, right?

00:32:24.000 And Richard Nixon looked all sweaty and gross, and JFK came off well, right?

00:32:29.000 I mean, it's sort of the modern iteration of that. 0.63

00:32:32.000 And you have a situation here where you've got a guy that, yeah, he's pretty nerdy.

00:32:37.000 He reads stuff.

00:32:39.000 I think of those as genuinely positive traits.

00:32:42.000 He actually read the research on COVID.

00:32:45.000 Good operator, right? 0.97

00:32:46.000 But in our modern system, that is de-emphasized as opposed to the fact that he's just a dork now, right? 0.88

00:32:53.000 I mean, and I'm not saying I believe that. 0.77

00:32:56.000 I mean, I'm saying the world believes that.

00:32:57.000 Blake, to his credit, we got to move on.

00:33:00.000 Blake, to his credit, was the only one in the voice.

00:33:02.000 He said, by the fall, post-Labor Day, everyone in the MAGA movement will hate and make fun of DeSantis.

00:33:07.000 Like, no, he's great.

00:33:09.000 And Blake saw forth a prophecy of the collapse of Ronnie D.

00:33:14.000 Okay, next topic. 1.00

00:33:16.000 Jack, is Halloween over because of immigrants? 0.72

00:33:21.000 We have to start with the clip. 0.99

00:33:24.000 By the way, this clip is really driving people insane.

00:33:27.000 And whenever there is a micro video that sometimes confirms a macro suspicion, people lose their mind.

00:33:35.000 What is the cut here?

00:33:37.000 Do we have it?

00:33:38.000 We definitely have it.

00:33:39.000 Let me.

00:33:40.000 Well, as we search for it, you know, Jack.

00:33:43.000 99, 99.

00:33:44.000 Play cut 99.

00:33:45.000 Got it.

00:33:45.000 They say, what does it say?

00:33:52.000 Nope.

00:33:52.000 Come on, let's go.

00:33:53.000 I'll get one.

00:33:56.000 That's right.

00:33:58.000 Okay, that is not it.

00:33:59.000 Do we have another one?

00:34:00.000 Play cut 103.

00:34:33.000 Okay, so Jack, on podcasting, describe what we just saw.

00:34:37.000 So what you're seeing is a, it starts out as a sort of typical Halloween night.

00:34:43.000 Kids are going out.

00:34:44.000 And by the way, this is, we have now video of trick-or-treating because of the prevalence of, you know, ring cameras and home surveillance systems that are that are just everywhere because we live in this, we live in a high-tech, low-trust society now, as opposed to a low-tech, high-trust society, which is a much larger conversation.

00:35:01.000 And I hope we can get into.

00:35:02.000 But what you see in this video is a couple of kids out trick-or-treating, having a good time. 0.96

00:35:07.000 And then you have what appears to be some sort of third world migrant just running up and essentially stealing all of the candy. 0.80

00:35:18.000 Someone who's obviously far older than the other kids who are there, or anyone who should be trick-or-treating at any serious age, and is obviously just out to steal candy and throw it into a pillowcase. 0.99

00:35:30.000 So, Andrew, you did a fair amount of trick-or-treating. 0.96

00:35:33.000 Is this a foreigner thing, or is this a built-in?

00:35:36.000 Is this just a human nature thing?

00:35:38.000 Why did this video trigger so many people?

00:35:41.000 Well, I mean, I have a couple things to say here.

00:35:44.000 First, I want to acknowledge that I myself was guilty of doing similar things when I was a kid when they would put the sign out and say just one.

00:35:56.000 I said that in the chat, and everybody was like, Oh, Andrew, you got to share that.

00:35:58.000 All right.

00:35:59.000 So, okay, I'm sharing that I, but I never rated the whole bull.

00:36:03.000 That is out of line.

00:36:04.000 I maybe took like a handful.

00:36:06.000 But it's the parent involved that triggered people.

00:36:08.000 That's the problem.

00:36:09.000 Yeah, but this clip triggers me, actually, to use the expression, the favorite leftist expression, in so many ways. 0.99

00:36:17.000 You've got the fact that they're speaking Spanish, that is infuriating to the normal public. 1.00

00:36:23.000 I'm sorry. 1.00

00:36:23.000 But if, you know, it's funny, Charlie, you tweeted about it, and then we got a bunch of media inquiries like, how do you know that these are illegals? 1.00

00:36:30.000 And I was like, you know, just based on odds.

00:36:33.000 You know, we just had, you know, 10 million are going to come across with Biden.

00:36:36.000 There was always, there was perpetually 11 million in the country to begin with.

00:36:40.000 But besides that, it doesn't matter if they're legal or illegal.

00:36:42.000 They're speaking Spanish. 0.99

00:36:43.000 And that part is infuriating. 1.00

00:36:45.000 It really is because you probably got some normal American home saying, hey, take one, and they raid it.

00:36:51.000 They don't leave a single piece of candy.

00:36:54.000 So you got parents teaching their kids, speaking Spanish, raiding a whole, I mean, there's a lot of candy in there. 0.81

00:37:01.000 And then some of them drop to the floor, Charlie, and they have to get those too. 0.97

00:37:07.000 So not only, like, they are making sure they don't leave any scrap behind.

00:37:11.000 And then, and then this poor guy comes up behind them and looks in and is like, oh, there's none left.

00:37:18.000 Like, I don't think that guy was with them.

00:37:19.000 I'm pretty sure the second guy wasn't with them.

00:37:22.000 It was another trick-or-treater coming behind them saying, you know, looking for candy, and it was all gone because of this awful family.

00:37:28.000 So, anyways, I think it's absolutely obnoxious.

00:37:33.000 This clip, by the way, went so viral.

00:37:35.000 Like, everybody posted it.

00:37:38.000 And everybody, it just, it inflamed the public.

00:37:42.000 Well, it went viral for similar reasons why the Floyd thing went viral because people have a belief in their head of something they see that's happening macro and then a micro confirms it.

00:37:53.000 So what is it? 0.94

00:37:53.000 Well, they see foreigners coming in and leeching off our social services and taking what is ours and it's being sponsored by the adults in the room, not the kids. 0.94

00:38:02.000 I think it's less the symbol and it's actually more the direct thing. 0.99

00:38:06.000 It's that there are when you have when you when you have high amounts of social trust and like kind of a shame a guilt shame driven culture where you I should say guilt versus shame guilt honor that sort of thing where you have an internal locus of morality you won't do a bad thing because you will feel terrible and then shame is Is the outward version of this that if you are caught doing something bad, you will feel terrible.

00:38:35.000 But if you can get away with it in secret, it essentially doesn't matter.

00:38:39.000 And so when you have guilt-driven, you can do things like just you leave out a box and you say, take one, and they will only take one.

00:38:47.000 And if you have the right group of people, that can sustain itself.

00:38:52.000 And there's huge surpluses that come from that.

00:38:54.000 That is how you get the nicest countries.

00:38:56.000 These countries where people follow the law, even if you don't have a policeman there who will catch you if you break the law, even if no one is going to actually punish you.

00:39:07.000 When you do it anyway, that is what creates the nicest societies.

00:39:10.000 And they see people who have come into here and they see that society going away.

00:39:14.000 And we know America had it.

00:39:16.000 There's a great story in one of my favorite books.

00:39:18.000 The book is called The Book That Built Your World.

00:39:19.000 It's about the Bible.

00:39:20.000 It's written.

00:39:21.000 He's been on our show, Vishal Mengel Waldi.

00:39:23.000 And he's an Indian guy, grew up in India, and he went to a conference in the Netherlands.

00:39:27.000 And it was a Christian pastor's conference.

00:39:29.000 And a friend of his said, hey, let's go to the countryside.

00:39:31.000 So they go to the Dutch countryside and they're rolling to the hills.

00:39:35.000 They pull over to the side of the street.

00:39:36.000 And there's an air, it's a dairy country there, right?

00:39:39.000 So they have an opportunity to go get some milk.

00:39:41.000 And so there's a milk stand that they are completely unattended.

00:39:44.000 And it says, please take whatever milk you get and pay for it.

00:39:48.000 And Vishal, being from India, first time really coming to the West, was fascinated by this.

00:39:52.000 And he asked the guy with him and he said, How does this work?

00:39:55.000 So, well, you know, we all trust each other.

00:39:56.000 We're all, you know, homogenous, you know, homogenous and Christians, and we're all the same place.

00:40:01.000 And so you just take the milk you like and you leave some money.

00:40:04.000 And he says, is this not how it would work in India?

00:40:06.000 And Vishal says, work in India?

00:40:08.000 It's like, not only would we steal the milk, steal the money on the cows.

00:40:11.000 He's like, this would never happen. 0.99

00:40:13.000 And that, because India is a very low-trust society, right? 0.99

00:40:15.000 Like caste system, sectarianism, tribalism. 1.00

00:40:18.000 And to him, in the Netherlands at the time, it's probably changed a lot because of Arab Muslims.

00:40:23.000 It was this ideal, high-trust society.

00:40:26.000 That's the equivalent, right?

00:40:28.000 Dairy milk stands on the side of the street in the rolling hills of Holland.

00:40:32.000 Could you have that today?

00:40:34.000 Well, you can't have Halloween candy out anymore without it getting pillaged or plundered.

00:40:40.000 Yeah.

00:40:43.000 Oh, no, I was just going to say, kind of just double tap what you were saying, Blake, earlier, that, you know, trick-or-treating is something that could only arise in a high-trust society with bonds of community, with a locus of morality, and obviously internal locus of morality, not one where you've got like the, you know, the moral police running around all the time.

00:41:05.000 You know, that's that's trick-or-treating.

00:41:06.000 You know, it's funny, I was talking to my mom about this because I said I wanted to bring it up as a topic.

00:41:11.000 I'm glad that we did.

00:41:12.000 And she was talking about growing up in the 60s.

00:41:17.000 And she was saying in the King of Prussia, Pennsylvania area, she was saying, when I was a kid, I don't even remember my parents ever going with us when we trick-or-treated.

00:41:26.000 We all just went out.

00:41:27.000 She's one of five.

00:41:28.000 And she said, when we were little, we would just go out.

00:41:31.000 We'd be out there as kids.

00:41:32.000 We'd run around.

00:41:33.000 We'd come back.

00:41:34.000 There was no question of it being an issue whatsoever.

00:41:38.000 Whereas these days, you know, maybe you could say it's a little more awareness, but I think it's also this level of, you know, lack of trust in our societies.

00:41:47.000 That's why you're seeing trunk retreats are kind of the new big thing.

00:41:51.000 A lot of churches do this.

00:41:52.000 Other churches do like the Harvest Festival, which is really just like a Halloween without the name.

00:41:58.000 Then you find these areas where they'll do that.

00:42:01.000 And then you can find certain neighborhoods that will still do this.

00:42:04.000 But I would also point out in the clip that that's a pretty big porch that you're looking at with a pretty long driveway.

00:42:11.000 It looks pretty nice.

00:42:12.000 I'm guessing that's on four or five bedroom house.

00:42:16.000 You know, that's not some small house.

00:42:18.000 That's an affluent neighborhood.

00:42:20.000 So we're talking in ballpark of, you know, they've got a column, right?

00:42:24.000 Look at that column there on the porch.

00:42:26.000 So, you know, this is a very well-to-black neighborhood. 0.88

00:42:29.000 That means also why it's being targeted. 0.99

00:42:31.000 Yeah, the foreigners in their head were rationalizing they're rich, we're not, we're taking your candy. 0.97

00:42:36.000 It's probably early, there was the lore, like, go here, you'll get more candy here, which people obviously everyone's.

00:42:42.000 Big home, we're getting we're getting our peace.

00:42:44.000 Yeah, they rationalized the, I don't want to say it's evil, but the immerse, that's an immoral act, right?

00:42:49.000 That is, that is not glorifying to goodness.

00:42:52.000 I wouldn't use the word evil for that.

00:42:54.000 I think that's evil.

00:42:55.000 I want to double to do that in front of people.

00:42:57.000 Okay, it's fine.

00:42:58.000 I mean, honestly.

00:42:59.000 Fair enough.

00:43:00.000 I don't want to do a prager here, but I want to be careful not throwing out evil like frisbees.

00:43:05.000 No, I do, I want to, you know, unthing about the parents out with them.

00:43:08.000 And I want to even double back to, obviously, I don't know the specifics here.

00:43:12.000 There's a million reasons it could be fine.

00:43:14.000 But I think if we imagine an idealized Halloween, this wouldn't happen not just because people wouldn't steal, but I think we are losing the social element that, you know, you ring the doorbell, you come to the door, you see the costume, you say hello to the children, you give them the candy.

00:43:30.000 And, you know, I think that actually is the ideal way to do it, and it should be preferred.

00:43:35.000 You want to create the sense of community.

00:43:37.000 It comes from the communal act of doing this, which is the children go around.

00:43:43.000 And one reason they can do this is because there are adults everywhere who look out for people in your neighborhood.

00:43:48.000 And so what you're seeing here in microcosm is the decline of neighborly communities, that they're not engaging in the Halloween thing except for leaving out a thing of candy.

00:43:58.000 Neighbors, I mean, are less and less of a thing.

00:44:02.000 At least in some, I don't know, Andrew, if you agree or not, but at least the type of neighborhood connectedness that I grew up with is largely a foreign concept in a lot of suburban people.

00:44:12.000 Well, I remember I always go back to a conversation you had.

00:44:15.000 I think it was with Chris Buzkirk.

00:44:17.000 And you guys were talking about something similar.

00:44:21.000 And he said that the norms that he grew up with, just normal middle-class American lifestyle is becoming more and more of a luxury.

00:44:32.000 So in order to achieve what just was normal, you know, 30, 40 years ago, now you got to be making like high six figures.

00:44:41.000 If you want that house, I mean, to Jack's point, I think that looks pretty affluent.

00:44:45.000 So what I see happen a lot is that there's target neighborhoods that are known for having good Halloween.

00:44:53.000 And, you know, I live in California and it's like, you know, one neighborhood is like the go-to spot.

00:44:59.000 Maybe there's a couple spots.

00:45:00.000 And it's like, you know, it's not uncommon to hear a lot of Spanish going on.

00:45:05.000 And I think, Blake, you made the observation in the chat earlier.

00:45:08.000 You were like, you know, honestly, Mexicans really love Halloween.

00:45:11.000 Maybe it's the Dia de los Muertos thing or whatever, but it's one of those cultural things that translates very, very easily.

00:45:17.000 There's a bit of that, but it's that really, if you look at, honestly, probably the best trait about Mexican Americans is they do love a lot of stuff people kind of liked about older like 80s, 90s America.

00:45:31.000 A lot of stuff that's kind of cheesy, more, I don't want to say lower class, but very much, you know, pro-coded, normie-coded.

00:45:39.000 Like they love, you know, they love cartoons.

00:45:41.000 They love anime.

00:45:42.000 They love monster trucks.

00:45:43.000 They love pro wrestling.

00:45:44.000 And they love a very classic celebration of classic American holidays.

00:45:49.000 Let's go.

00:45:50.000 Well, yeah.

00:45:50.000 And like, let's go do Halloween.

00:45:52.000 Let's do Christmas stuff.

00:45:54.000 Let's go to the park.

00:45:56.000 And that's all great.

00:45:57.000 And I think we do have to say, like, it's bad that we're losing that neighborhood character.

00:46:02.000 I do worry it might just be inevitable.

00:46:04.000 Like, why did we have, why do people have this memory of stronger neighborhoods? 0.95

00:46:09.000 Well, in the past, we had a lot of ethnic neighborhoods, even with Europeans.

00:46:13.000 You'd have your Polish neighborhood, your Ukrainian neighborhood, your Jewish neighborhood.

00:46:18.000 And those disappeared.

00:46:19.000 And some of that's because of urban decay in the 60s.

00:46:22.000 You know, they would do, you know, crime exploded, so people fled cities.

00:46:25.000 But they could have fled and still tried to recreate those neighborhoods, but they didn't.

00:46:30.000 We just sort of had suburbs, people mixed up more.

00:46:33.000 And so you lose things that used to be common in neighborhoods.

00:46:36.000 You used to have a neighborhood where everyone went to the same church.

00:46:39.000 Now you'll have a lot of churches, but people just go to different ones.

00:46:42.000 So you don't have the assumption that you are at the same church as the people, if they even go at all.

00:46:48.000 And you don't necessarily have the same overall background.

00:46:52.000 Some of this is language, but it's a lot of additional things.

00:46:55.000 And then just people are more mobile.

00:46:56.000 People move all the time.

00:46:57.000 Yep.

00:46:58.000 And it's sad we lost that.

00:47:01.000 I don't know if there's an easy way to recreate it without giving up a lot of things that we've also gotten used to and taken for granted.

00:47:07.000 And then just everyone's online now.

00:47:09.000 You build online communities and such instead of having to be engaged in your community to do anything.

00:47:16.000 Tyler, who's not present here, but in the chat, made one of the smartest points.

00:47:20.000 Let's replay the tape.

00:47:21.000 What's missing in this tape?

00:47:22.000 Replay it.

00:47:23.000 Don't say it out loud.

00:47:24.000 Let's see if anybody watching.

00:47:25.000 Replay the tape, guys.

00:47:28.000 What's missing here?

00:47:34.000 Such a smart point.

00:47:35.000 It's such, I mean, it's the most obvious point.

00:47:37.000 Jack, did you see the chat?

00:47:38.000 Did anybody make it?

00:47:41.000 Jack, don't look at the chat.

00:47:45.000 Look at the what's missing?

00:47:48.000 What's missing?

00:47:49.000 I think a lot of things that are missing.

00:47:53.000 It's very obvious.

00:47:54.000 It's so obvious, but it's like I missed it until someone noticed it.

00:47:58.000 He's like, none of the kids are dressed up for Halloween.

00:48:00.000 There was one.

00:48:00.000 One kid's wearing a woody costume.

00:48:03.000 No, no, no.

00:48:03.000 Look at that.

00:48:04.000 The one with the hood is Spider-Man.

00:48:06.000 That's a hoodie.

00:48:07.000 And then that's like a hoodie.

00:48:08.000 There's a kid.

00:48:09.000 No, no, no.

00:48:09.000 Wait till he comes around again.

00:48:10.000 The kid in yellow is in a Woody costume.

00:48:12.000 Sheriff Woody.

00:48:13.000 Yeah, that's Woody from Toy Story.

00:48:16.000 There's some kids in.

00:48:17.000 Sheriff Woody would not do that.

00:48:18.000 That is defamation of Sheriff.

00:48:20.000 Also, a father is missing is the other thing that's obviously missing.

00:48:23.000 That guy's from Frozen.

00:48:28.000 No, I think it's another costume under the hood.

00:48:32.000 The adults should have costumes too, but I guess, you know, most, a lot of adults should not wear costumes.

00:48:37.000 Yeah, they should.

00:48:38.000 Come on, have fun with it.

00:48:39.000 Saturday.

00:48:40.000 We usually do like a family theme.

00:48:42.000 So we do like, you know, we did Scooby-Doo this year.

00:48:45.000 We did Batman and like the Batman villains last year.

00:48:49.000 We did Adam's family one year.

00:48:54.000 So he dressed up as Ash Ketchum and then the baby stroller was a giant poke ball.

00:49:00.000 That's funny.

00:49:00.000 All right.

00:49:01.000 So we're losing Halloween, just like we're losing our country.

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00:49:06.000 I went trick-or-treating with my kids, and it was like a flashback to childhood.

00:49:11.000 It really was.

00:49:11.000 So I think we can make the mistake of saying that this stuff is everywhere and everything's going to hell.

00:49:19.000 We had a good Halloween.

00:49:20.000 I will say that.

00:49:20.000 We had a great Halloween.

00:49:21.000 It's very safe.

00:49:22.000 Lots of families.

00:49:23.000 Great to see the young kids running around.

00:49:25.000 So hopefully, to your point, Charlie or Blake, we can sort of hold on to some of these things.

00:49:32.000 And I also want to say harvest festivals have been going on for a long time because Christians are very skeptical about Halloween in general.

00:49:40.000 So we did that actually on Sunday.

00:49:43.000 So we did a big harvest festival at our church and then we went trick-or-treating on Tuesday.

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00:50:45.000 Okay, Blake, set up this no kids thing because I had a breakthrough that I didn't mention with Berenson, but set it all up.

00:50:50.000 Awesome, awesome.

00:50:51.000 So we had Alex Berenson on the show the other day, but this is all because of a hugely viral thing on his sub stack.

00:50:57.000 You can bring it up on, it's on my laptop here if you want to show it.

00:51:01.000 He did a post on his unreported truths substack, which is, why are so many adults in rich countries refusing to have kids?

00:51:09.000 And as he points out, it's not just the United States, it's not just Europe, it's not just Japan.

00:51:14.000 It's South Korea is down to like 0.78 children per women. 0.99

00:51:19.000 So your population will fall by two-thirds every generation. 0.99

00:51:22.000 It's China. 0.97

00:51:23.000 China is not even a very rich country yet, already down, way down.

00:51:27.000 Latin America, it's low.

00:51:29.000 The Middle East, it's gotten really low.

00:51:31.000 It's basically dropped essentially everywhere except large chunks of Africa still have pretty high fertility, but everywhere else and Gaza and Gaza and Afghanistan. 0.92

00:51:40.000 Afghanistan's very high. 0.76

00:51:42.000 Your median Afghan was born after we invaded Afghanistan 22 years ago. 1.00

00:51:49.000 And so it's just falling everywhere. 0.88

00:51:52.000 It's not just in rich countries.

00:51:53.000 It's even in relatively more religious countries, you still see it down. 0.76

00:51:58.000 Like Iran, Iran has low fertility.

00:52:01.000 It's just, it's falling all over the place. 1.00

00:52:04.000 And kind of the question is, why?

00:52:06.000 Because a lot of the things that we would blame are factors in some of these countries, but not all of them.

00:52:12.000 And so it's a very big question.

00:52:15.000 Why do people not have kids?

00:52:18.000 Jack, what is I did a whole show on this?

00:52:21.000 What is your theory, Jack?

00:52:24.000 So I think there's a correlation between, and I actually, I actually haven't read Alex Berenson's piece on this.

00:52:33.000 Not that I'm anything against Alex Berenson.

00:52:35.000 I think I'm the only guy who's read all of his fiction and nonfiction.

00:52:39.000 But I just haven't had a chance to get to it, even though I know I was one of the guys who dropped it in the chat the first time.

00:52:45.000 That I think there's a correlation between having more disposable income, more things to do in society, more choices, more opportunity, and basically a falling out of.

00:52:59.000 So the first correlation is that if there's a falling out of religion and there's a falling out of that central focus, that central focus of society, central moral core of religion, as societies become more affluent, they tend to become more secular.

00:53:13.000 We've seen that around the world.

00:53:14.000 Certainly, we've seen that in Europe.

00:53:16.000 We're facing that in the United States.

00:53:18.000 In Asia, you know, it's kind of a jump ball because some of their religions aren't like religion religions the way we would kind of classify them.

00:53:25.000 But that's a much longer story.

00:53:28.000 And because of that, this sort of moral imperative to have children is sort of diminished or it's lost.

00:53:35.000 And so, therefore, you end up getting this situation where people think of kids as, you know, the more money you have, you start to think of: do I want kids?

00:53:44.000 Should I have kids?

00:53:45.000 How many kids do I have?

00:53:46.000 Whereas in, you know, previous times, it might just be, oh, well, you know, we got married, let's have kids.

00:53:53.000 Or, oh, we, you know, we were not married.

00:53:56.000 Let's have kids anyway.

00:53:57.000 You still do see these things going on, but the trend lines are there.

00:54:01.000 But I would just, I guess I would say that within a country at the different social levels, this is something that also plays a role as well.

00:54:10.000 But I really do think that on, you know, on whole, we're talking about those big Halloween neighborhoods, you know, those big neighborhoods where people want to go, you know, the full bar neighborhoods, right?

00:54:21.000 Everybody knows where the full bar neighborhoods are.

00:54:24.000 That, yeah, they tend to have more dogs these days than they do kids.

00:54:30.000 Yeah, so I think part of it is it's just harder to have kids because there's something in our food that is actively poisoning people's fertility.

00:54:38.000 That's 100% happening.

00:54:40.000 It's the food or the toxins or the air.

00:54:42.000 That's not the only thing.

00:54:43.000 Going off that.

00:54:44.000 That wouldn't really count.

00:54:45.000 That wouldn't cover Europe, though. 0.99

00:54:47.000 So I would say what stands out to me, like with Catholics.

00:54:50.000 So there are Catholics who basically say, don't use birth control, and as the Pope says.

00:54:55.000 And so people who are Catholic know families that have quite a few kids.

00:54:59.000 But even there, I think my grandparents, my great-grandparents had, I can't remember off the top of my head, I think they had 10 plus kids.

00:55:07.000 Even if you know traditional Catholic families who have a lot of kids, they'll have seven kids or eight kids.

00:55:14.000 I don't know.

00:55:14.000 I've never seen a family that had 10, 11.

00:55:17.000 Very, very few.

00:55:18.000 And I'm not saying they used to be common.

00:55:21.000 And I guess I'm not what I'm saying.

00:55:22.000 That means it's a cultural psychological difference.

00:55:24.000 I think it's a bit cultural psychological, but it might go towards the biological thing that even people who are essentially saying, we'll have as many kids as God decides to have us have, they end up having seven or eight instead of 12.

00:55:36.000 There is something that is suppressing testosterone rates.

00:55:39.000 I mean, it just is.

00:55:39.000 It's true.

00:55:40.000 I don't know what it is.

00:55:41.000 Yeah.

00:55:42.000 Yeah, Blake, just to throw on that.

00:55:44.000 So, you know, going to, you know, we have our kids in a Catholic school and, you know, I'll see as the, you know, as the kids, you know, as the families, we drop our kids off in the morning.

00:55:55.000 And yeah, you see the minivans that, you know, that you're used to seeing.

00:55:58.000 But yeah, I haven't seen anyone with like the huge brood of kids that I, even I remember in the 80s, 90s, you know, there would always be a couple of families that were like six plus, seven plus, as you say.

00:56:12.000 I'm not seeing that as much anymore.

00:56:14.000 Yeah.

00:56:14.000 And so definitely there, one of the roles is women are getting married later and later.

00:56:20.000 I think in the West, I didn't talk about this Berenson.

00:56:22.000 That's you. 0.84

00:56:24.000 The amount of young gay people plays a role.

00:56:26.000 We didn't mention that with Berenson. 0.98

00:56:27.000 But if you got 10 to 15, you got 20% of people that are gay, you're not going to procreate, right?

00:56:30.000 So that, but that doesn't explain why even the monogamous couples are having less kids, right? 0.65

00:56:36.000 That explains the macro population collapse.

00:56:39.000 It doesn't explain why the actual family units are there.

00:56:42.000 And then, again, there's evidence that corn or other things are really having a lot of negative impacts on testosterone rates and can block, can actually be endocrine disruptors.

00:56:55.000 Thank you.

00:56:56.000 There's a lot of evidence to support that.

00:56:57.000 But it's deeper than that because countries that are largely have insulated food supplies that are not as, let's just say, into corporate farming as we are here, where we are, food is trash in the West.

00:57:13.000 They seem to also have, I don't know if their testosterone rates are low, but their fertility rates are low.

00:57:18.000 So, Andrew, what is it?

00:57:20.000 I mean, this is a global phenomenon outside of, I think, Nigeria, Somalia.

00:57:27.000 And Andrew has Ethereum, and Blake, I know, certainly does.

00:57:30.000 We'll get there second.

00:57:30.000 But Andrew.

00:57:32.000 Yeah, I mean, I've got three kids.

00:57:35.000 I could tell you that the fact that we even got to three was like, A, it had to do with spiritual, our faith.

00:57:45.000 B, it had to do with values.

00:57:48.000 But C, I really, I really relate to people that are struggling with whether or not they want to have kids.

00:57:53.000 Now, I am like a big champion of kids. 0.98

00:57:55.000 I'm trying to get everybody knocked up and pregnant. 1.00

00:57:58.000 All my married friends where I'm always like, go for the third, go for the fourth.

00:58:02.000 But I think what's interesting, and I forget who hit on this, but as a country gets a little bit more affluent, it's that kind of lower middle class to middle class realm that I think this is really affecting.

00:58:17.000 Because once you get to the upper class, they have enough money to afford babysitting.

00:58:22.000 They have enough money to, and then it becomes like a status symbol, right?

00:58:26.000 Where you want to have a lot of kids because it's some sort of status thing.

00:58:30.000 But what happens is I think we're more online, we're more distracted, the incentive structure's all off, and we're more secular.

00:58:37.000 So the short-term payoff is you get to, you know, travel.

00:58:42.000 I mean, our generation's obsessed with experiences and traveling, all these very selfish things that our parents were like, hey, we thought of a vacation as like loading up the family wagon and going to Yosemite.

00:58:54.000 Now it's like, no, we're going to go to the south of France for three weeks and we're going to work remote.

00:58:58.000 And yeah, the kids just don't really fit into that.

00:59:02.000 And they're more online, more social media, more distracted.

00:59:05.000 And I think it's actually modernity as a whole has flipped the incentive structure on its head so that a lot of people just aren't incentivized.

00:59:15.000 I think it's for different people, different things, though.

00:59:20.000 I don't think you could name one or even two reasons why it's lower.

00:59:23.000 I think it's like five or six or seven.

00:59:27.000 Blake has a theory because that doesn't usually, if there's not a one or two input explanation, you usually don't see a global phenomenon.

00:59:37.000 Is that right, Blake?

00:59:38.000 Is that, I mean, to see a global phenomenon that's this transcultural, this transcontinental, this, you know, that transcends socioeconomic lines, usually takes, I don't know, like a virus like COVID to have data like that.

00:59:50.000 But what's going on here in your opinion?

00:59:52.000 I definitely agree that it's a lot of things.

00:59:54.000 I want to say when I've looked into it and researched it, the single most decisive one tends to be women's education. 0.99

01:00:03.000 When women get educated essentially on the level of men, that is when you start seeing fertility decline. 0.98

01:00:09.000 And I think that happens for a few reasons. 0.82

01:00:11.000 It gives young women something to do besides get married. 0.67

01:00:16.000 They have greater economic independence if they can work in the economy equally, which means there's less economic reason to get married, even if you're otherwise not as inclined to do it. 0.61

01:00:26.000 It means, this is just blunt, it means they have more knowledge about how to prevent pregnancy in various ways.

01:00:33.000 And all of these factors combined drives down fertility. 0.98

01:00:38.000 And you see accounts of this, even in relatively traditional cultures like India, for example.

01:00:43.000 You'll have mothers in India who will still encourage their daughters, even if they promote arranged marriages, even if they promote having kids, they still encourage them, complete your education.

01:00:53.000 And so that's pushing the date back.

01:00:55.000 And if you delay marriage by five years, that's five years where you might have in the past had two kids, three kids.

01:01:02.000 Those are wiped out.

01:01:03.000 You're starting later.

01:01:05.000 And you're giving people reasons they can essentially be more selective in a spouse. 0.68

01:01:10.000 In the past, women had very little economic independence, very little economic stability, and they got that by getting married. 0.96

01:01:20.000 And this created upsides in society, but it did create a lot of downsides. 0.96

01:01:26.000 This does cause, this did cause women to get married to people they probably wouldn't have gotten married to otherwise, to have kids they probably wouldn't have had otherwise. 1.00

01:01:34.000 And there's upsides to them not having to do this, but it is a big feeder in people overall getting married less.

01:01:43.000 Another thing I would note is it's actually, it was actually somewhat historically unusual in Western society for everyone to get married.

01:01:51.000 In the past, we were very dependent on people who didn't get married having a ton of kids.

01:01:56.000 And you saw it a lot who would opt out.

01:01:58.000 I mean, if you think of like Catholic societies, the number of people who would become nuns, the number of people who'd become priests, the number of people who just wouldn't marry for one reason or another was actually pretty high.

01:02:09.000 And this is just offset by the people who do marry will have five kids, sick kids, seven kids, more.

01:02:16.000 Now you're going back to a reality where people don't become nuns and priests as much anymore, but they become whatever people identify as these days, and they don't get married.

01:02:26.000 Well, could it be though that modernity gives something else for men and women to aim for other than just child raising and child rearing?

01:02:36.000 Does life expectancy?

01:02:37.000 Yes.

01:02:38.000 Does life expectancy getting longer actually make you less like because you almost have a new life after the kids become 20, right?

01:02:46.000 I know that might, I'm just trying to understand what a global psychology would be.

01:02:49.000 Well, we definitely have the idea of a career.

01:02:52.000 I don't think that if you are a farmer in the 1800s, you think like, I'm going to not have kids because I want to be really focused on my agriculture career.

01:03:01.000 That's why you would have eight or nine.

01:03:01.000 No, that's what I'm saying.

01:03:02.000 That was your wealth.

01:03:04.000 It was your wealth.

01:03:05.000 It was also just what was done.

01:03:06.000 The idea was, I mean, people have a pretty nasty chance.

01:03:10.000 Two out of eight would die, too.

01:03:11.000 Yeah, they would die.

01:03:12.000 And so it's almost hard for us to get into the head of that, that it's so psychologically inculcated that one, there wasn't a lot of easy ways to prevent pregnancy back then, or it wasn't easily known.

01:03:23.000 And on top of that, just it's so baked in.

01:03:27.000 It's just, it is what one does.

01:03:29.000 It is what happens.

01:03:30.000 And we almost can't imagine that anymore because now we are in a society where it is an option.

01:03:35.000 It is something that you can choose.

01:03:37.000 And we can't really rewind the clock to a time where it was otherwise.

01:03:42.000 There's another one other angle that I just want to mention since we're on the conversation.

01:03:46.000 I know we're getting kind of long on it, but with a lot of like millennials, elder millennials, people I talk to, we talk about the country becoming richer, but that doesn't necessarily mean that every rung of that society has gotten richer.

01:04:01.000 And with a lot of the millennials, elder millennials situation, I've got people coming to me because, you know, most elder millennials are hitting, you know, starting to look at 40, right?

01:04:10.000 They're starting to see it right around the corner.

01:04:12.000 And some people who have gone through the, you know, the economic, you know, economic turmoil, I guess, of that decade, that decade plus of graduating college, then hitting boom, Great Recession, going through all of it, which parallels the,

01:04:28.000 you know, at the same time as war paralleling, not, I'm saying not the same as, but it's a parallel structure to almost the Great Depression, World War II, in terms of time, where you have this huge economic turmoil that people have been delaying family formation, which then ties into obviously what Blake is saying about that the fertility window is just closing.

01:04:49.000 So you can't delay that because there is a biological clock on this.

01:04:53.000 And so for a lot of people who are middle class, even upper middle class, they're realizing that they're not hitting that career goal where they wanted to.

01:05:02.000 So they're trying to hit that first before they can go back to the family goal, but they're realizing they can't do that.

01:05:09.000 People were told, a lot of girls were told back in college in the mid-2000s, oh, freeze your eggs.

01:05:14.000 You know, you can go do that.

01:05:15.000 You know, it'll be on the shelf when you need it.

01:05:17.000 But then you find out there's more complications with that.

01:05:19.000 There's IVF complications that people run into.

01:05:22.000 Turns out it's not that easy to have kids when you hit that age.

01:05:26.000 And then also the fact that people aren't getting married as much anymore in general, which goes a whole nother line about the relationship between the sexes and women in this country has been pushed up so far that, but basically put it to say, I know a lot of millennials. 0.77

01:05:43.000 I know a lot of elder millennials who wish they had kids, who want to have kids, but for one reason or another, that usually harkens back to one of those factors, does not have kids.

01:05:57.000 Okay, closing thought, Andrew.

01:06:01.000 Andrew is muted right now.

01:06:05.000 Okay, here we go.

01:06:07.000 Steve Jobs said that before he died, he went all around the world after the iPhone and he realized something profound.

01:06:16.000 I think this was in his biography just before he died.

01:06:20.000 That there was something he called the globalization of youth, right?

01:06:24.000 The globalization of youth.

01:06:26.000 He was seeing that among older generations, they were very different from one another.

01:06:30.000 The cultural norms still held between Germany and Turkey and China.

01:06:36.000 But when you got to younger generations, they were all reading the same stuff, exposed to the same ideas.

01:06:42.000 The iPhone revolutionized everything because you could and it made the so when you're talking about a global trend, Charlie, you're talking about something that is becoming more and more the norm because those people in 2010 are now 13 years older and they're a larger part of the working population.

01:07:01.000 The globalization of youth is now the globalization, to Jack's point, of 40-year-olds.

01:07:05.000 Okay.

01:07:06.000 So when you've got we're more distracted, we have more options.

01:07:13.000 I think that that's so, so important when you're talking about global trends.

01:07:16.000 I think we're going to see more and more global trends that people are grasping at reasons for, but it's just because you're simply exposed to so much.

01:07:25.000 I mean, TikTok's a global phenomenon.

01:07:27.000 Twitter's a global phenomenon.

01:07:29.000 So we're consuming so much of the same content.

01:07:31.000 I wouldn't be surprised to see that again.

01:07:36.000 The last takeaway, which is obvious, is that it's now more and more acceptable to have sex outside of marriage.

01:07:42.000 AKA use birth control outside of marriage, and that is a global toxin that is spreading.

01:07:48.000 And you factor that in with all the other stuff. 0.56

01:07:52.000 Okay, you know that Gavin Newsom went to China, but did you know that Donald John Trump also speaks fluent Chinese?

01:08:00.000 Play Cut 116.

01:08:01.000 The media won't tell you this.

01:08:17.000 Jack, what is he saying?

01:08:20.000 It's accurately translated.

01:08:23.000 I don't see it.

01:08:24.000 What is he saying?

01:08:28.000 You must cross the road.

01:08:30.000 You must cross the mountains in search of flowers.

01:08:34.000 Here will be the new flowers.

01:08:36.000 Do not be scared.

01:08:39.000 Fireflies will fly.

01:08:45.000 So he writes in Chinese, too.

01:08:49.000 That pic of him on the great walk with the store goes so hard.

01:08:54.000 AI is really going to ruin us, Blake.

01:08:57.000 We're done.

01:08:59.000 Or it could liberate us.

01:09:01.000 Is this elevating content?

01:09:04.000 Yeah, I think it's pretty strong.

01:09:05.000 I like it.

01:09:07.000 So, wait, tie this back, though, to the DeSantis memes versus the Trump meme.

01:09:11.000 Like, the Trump memes are absurdist and always make him look like some kind of otherworldly superhero type figure where you can throw him into, because there's another one where he's doing like a Daiwali dance at a Hindu wedding where it's incredible.

01:09:30.000 It's just amazing.

01:09:32.000 And then, and then you throw him into traditional Chinese song, and it's also amazing, right?

01:09:38.000 There's a certain X factor to Trump that makes him one of the most memeable people on the face of the planet.

01:09:44.000 And it is very hard to describe, but I would say probably the main reason that he's so memeable is because there's something just so wrong about it.

01:09:54.000 It's so taboo to have Donald Trump, who's portrayed as a racist and a xenophobe and all of this, to be not only fully embracing Chinese culture, but also fluently speaking and singing in Mandarin.

01:10:08.000 It's just deep down.

01:10:08.000 Trump is basically the funniest person in the world.

01:10:12.000 Not in like a stand-up comedian way necessarily, but in like a deep way.

01:10:16.000 He is profoundly, incredibly funny.

01:10:19.000 He's like that person.

01:10:20.000 Personally, and just the concept of Trump, everything about it.

01:10:23.000 Well, that's the thing is that Trump is bigger than a person.

01:10:25.000 He's an aura, a vibe.

01:10:27.000 He's an archetype.

01:10:28.000 I have seen videos.

01:10:29.000 Trump is not an archetype of something.

01:10:31.000 Trump is the archetype.

01:10:32.000 There's a video from 2016 that portrays Donald Trump as a Nazi who will blow up planet Earth, and the video makes you like Trump more.

01:10:41.000 That's the anime one, right?

01:10:42.000 Yes, the anime one, yeah. 0.96

01:10:43.000 Yeah, there's like, it's like this anime one where he's also like got like an army of gundams.

01:10:48.000 And yeah, he's like a giant robot and he blasts off into space and he blows up planet Earth.

01:10:52.000 And you're like, yes, Trump 2016.

01:10:54.000 People say that, you know, Trump is playing a part, or is the part playing Trump?

01:10:57.000 That's the question.

01:10:59.000 That's Chinese philosophy.

01:11:01.000 That's really deep.

01:11:02.000 All right, everybody.

01:11:03.000 Keep committing thought crimes.

01:11:05.000 Adi Deverci. 1.00

01:11:06.000 How do you say goodbye in Chinese?

01:11:10.000 Yeah, that.

01:11:11.000 See you next week, everybody.

01:11:16.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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01:11:20.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - November 04, 2023

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 20 — Bootgate? Is Halloween Dead? Rich and Childless?

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