The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 21 — Musk vs. The Masses, Candace Owens vs. Ben Shapiro

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, happy Saturday.

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00:01:41.000 All right, everybody, it is thought crime plural, but you can commit thought crimes here.

00:01:47.000 Now, I got to warn all of you: this episode is about to get very spicy and mostly peaceful.

00:01:53.000 Blake, welcome back.

00:01:54.000 Hello, Charlie.

00:01:56.000 Blake is now a cultural phenomenon.

00:01:58.000 Okay, it's just there's no getting around it.

00:01:59.000 He's an installation.

00:02:00.000 Tyler, are the suns above 500?

00:02:03.000 I think we're at 500.

00:02:05.000 Maybe at 500 now.

00:02:06.000 I do have to say, I actually don't know.

00:02:08.000 I think the NBA until you do have the playoffs wastes the time.

00:02:10.000 I love this in-season tournament idea.

00:02:12.000 I'm a sucker for it.

00:02:13.000 I think it's actually creative and interesting.

00:02:15.000 I don't get it.

00:02:16.000 It's total marketing.

00:02:17.000 What's the prize?

00:02:17.000 Do you get money for it?

00:02:19.000 No, the whole goal.

00:02:20.000 They're doing in-season tournament games on Tuesday and Friday.

00:02:22.000 It's smart.

00:02:23.000 In Vegas, right?

00:02:24.000 Everyone's in Vegas.

00:02:25.000 Well, no, they play them at home, and then the tournament, the final tournament's in Vegas.

00:02:29.000 I kind of love it.

00:02:30.000 At least they're trying to make the NBA industry.

00:02:32.000 They're trying to make it into something during football season because football's every other day.

00:02:37.000 So Tuesday and Friday is now NBA Day.

00:02:39.000 I kind of like, I don't like the NBA.

00:02:41.000 I appreciate the creativity because the NBA is so boring.

00:02:43.000 Jack, welcome back.

00:02:45.000 Okay, so we have tons to cover.

00:02:48.000 Who wants to be our leader here on this?

00:02:51.000 Because we're starting with Ben and Candace, right?

00:02:53.000 Oh, of course we have to start with Ben.

00:02:55.000 So, Blake, just facts, what's going on in Canada?

00:02:59.000 We'll start with the most basic facts.

00:03:00.000 And just in case Charlie hasn't kept track of this, so Ben Shapiro is a well-known conservative voice.

00:03:07.000 He runs an organization called the Daily Wire.

00:03:09.000 He's not very tall.

00:03:11.000 And he has an employee named Candace Owens.

00:03:16.000 And they have a difference of opinion about a major issue of our time, which is a actually, I can't really tell what this difference of opinion is about.

00:03:25.000 It's sort of just passive-aggressive, apparently.

00:03:27.000 Well, I can explain that.

00:03:28.000 I can't.

00:03:29.000 Yeah, no, I want to, but also, Blake, let's be clear.

00:03:31.000 This has been bubbling up over the last couple of weeks.

00:03:33.000 Yes.

00:03:34.000 I've seen this schism.

00:03:35.000 This is not overnight.

00:03:37.000 So it's, of course, about Israel-Gaza ultimately.

00:03:40.000 And so Ben Shapiro is about what you'd expect on the Israel-Palestine issue.

00:03:45.000 He's very pro-Israel, very pro-Israel's response. 0.63

00:03:49.000 Yeah, effectively, the IDF.

00:03:50.000 Effectively, yeah.

00:03:51.000 He's effectively ultra, ultra, you know, whatever, ultra-mega, but ultra-IDF, whatever.

00:03:58.000 And Candace hasn't said that much.

00:04:01.000 She's just sort of, she's kind of been like us.

00:04:03.000 She's been a little critical of some of the stuff where, you know, civilians have died or they've hit churches or hospitals.

00:04:11.000 And she's like worried about this, but she's not pro-Hamas.

00:04:15.000 There's two things in particular that I want to get to Jack.

00:04:17.000 And I say this only because I've been texted relentlessly because I defended Candace yesterday.

00:04:23.000 And a lot of Jewish Americans who I love, I have a heart for the Jewish people, said, Charlie, you're out of line. 0.85

00:04:28.000 I said, okay, well, what did Candace do?

00:04:29.000 So this is what I don't, by the way, I don't think that their anger or their rancor is like ridiculous, like even close to being justified.

00:04:36.000 Let me be honest.

00:04:37.000 So the first one is this, okay?

00:04:38.000 And we can get this up.

00:04:39.000 I'm going to put Texas US.

00:04:40.000 First one is Candace Owens texted this.

00:04:42.000 No government anywhere has a right to commit genocide, comma, ever.

00:04:46.000 I cannot believe this even needs to be said or is controversial, considered the least piece controversial to state.

00:04:52.000 This is on 11.3.

00:04:53.000 So this was back on November 3rd.

00:04:55.000 Dave Rubin responded, as I'm sure you know, Candace, the Palestinian population. 1.00

00:04:59.000 Candace then said, what's amazing about this is I did not name any country in this tweet.

00:05:03.000 I just said genocide is wrong.

00:05:05.000 Always.

00:05:06.000 This is not a controversial stance.

00:05:07.000 Interesting how you interpreted it.

00:05:10.000 That's a little like.

00:05:12.000 I mean, it is.

00:05:13.000 It's interesting you thought that, like, it sounds like something like, you know, nerds will say on internet forums, which they, you know, you ever spend time with.

00:05:22.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:05:22.000 Oh, of course I did.

00:05:23.000 Yeah, but this is standard Reddit gaslighting.

00:05:26.000 Total Reddit.

00:05:27.000 Yeah.

00:05:28.000 But that's what the internet's all about.

00:05:29.000 True, true, true.

00:05:30.000 But it's so fun as the internet without gaslighting.

00:05:32.000 No offense.

00:05:33.000 Candace, I don't think you would have made that tweet if there were not, you know, an Israel-Gaza war going right now.

00:05:38.000 It's not like she just woke up and tweeted this.

00:05:40.000 Hey, man, hate for no reason.

00:05:42.000 So, yeah.

00:05:43.000 And then the third element was she tweeted out something.

00:05:47.000 We'll get the tweet around the princess of Jordan.

00:05:50.000 There was something like how the Queen Ray.

00:05:53.000 Oh, thank you.

00:05:54.000 Yeah, the Queen of Jordan, where she said that the term anti-Semitism, anti-Semite is being thrown around too generously.

00:06:04.000 And by the way, I totally agree with that.

00:06:06.000 I think that's totally right.

00:06:07.000 So, Jack, am I missing anything?

00:06:09.000 Those are three or four different elements, right, of a bubbling up schism.

00:06:14.000 And then we'll get to the, you know, as it stands at the recording of this, of this show, a complete civil war, whatever you want to call it, between Ben and Candace.

00:06:25.000 Jack, what are we missing?

00:06:27.000 Yeah, no, and I think she's done, and on her new podcast, you know, she had done some monologues as well where pretty similar, I would say, to what you would hear on the Charlie Kirk show or Thought Crime or Human Events or even War Room, where instead of doing this full-on like calling for donations for the IDF, we've been asking serious questions about the geopolitical implications of escalation of the crisis, the fact that U.S. bases are currently under attack, U.S. bases that are throughout the Middle East.

00:06:57.000 Now, we don't necessarily agree with you as having that many bases in the Middle East.

00:07:01.000 We're not saying that we promote that.

00:07:03.000 We're just saying that's what it is.

00:07:04.000 We're also talking about the implications of what were to happen if Iran or any of the other proxies of the Muslim Brotherhood or Iranian-based forces start to get involved in a wider dispute and how this would kick off a potential two-front crisis while the U.S. is currently involved in the proxy war in Ukraine, which is just a complete fiasco and absolute disaster that's going on right now.

00:07:25.000 And so, you know, we've also asked questions about the security posture of Israel vis-a-vis the IDF and B.B. Netanyahu prior to October 7th, asking how could such an attack, such an elaborate, sophisticated, obviously well-planned attack take place when we know that Bibi Netanyahu has always portrayed himself as sort of the, you know, the hardline security, I'm going to protect everyone candidate.

00:07:53.000 This has been Likud's entire raison d'etre, their entire mantra for the past 30 years.

00:07:59.000 So the idea that this happens on his watch, also something, by the way, that President Trump has called out.

00:08:04.000 And to be fair, a lot of people in Israel have called out as well are really seen as failures of Netanyahu's administration and breakdowns within the Intel apparatus there, the security apparatus of the Israeli state on Netanyahu's watch.

00:08:20.000 And yet, Ben Shapiro basically, and I want to be clear because there's this video.

00:08:25.000 So the video that popped off is really the inciting incident, at least of this iteration of the conflict.

00:08:31.000 It's not clear that this was a public event.

00:08:34.000 It looks like it was a private event.

00:08:35.000 I know that we have the video.

00:08:36.000 I'm sure we're going to be getting to it.

00:08:38.000 Let's go that really well.

00:08:38.000 Yeah.

00:08:39.000 Let's just get to it off.

00:08:43.000 This was the Pearl Harbor of the whole deal. 0.87

00:08:45.000 Blake, set the stage.

00:08:47.000 So this appears to be, this came out on Tuesday.

00:08:47.000 All right.

00:08:50.000 It's not clear when it was recorded, but this came out on Tuesday.

00:08:53.000 I guess let's just talk to it.

00:08:54.000 If you're mystified by the appearance of things, it appears that Ben is Shapiro standing on some sort of object, perhaps a table, perhaps a couch, perhaps some like extremely tall Ron DeSantis heels.

00:09:09.000 But we want to set the stage for that because it could be a very confusing image otherwise.

00:09:12.000 So let's roll 85. 0.75

00:09:15.000 Yes, and then the question's got Candace on. 1.00

00:09:18.000 I think her behavior is running this into disgraceful.

00:09:26.000 Yeah, I like it.

00:09:27.000 Yeah, you just forced my company.

00:09:29.000 Yeah, and I think she's been absolutely disgraceful. 0.98

00:09:32.000 I think that her faux sophistication on these particular issues has been ridiculous. 0.94

00:09:36.000 It's not faux sophistication. 0.99

00:09:38.000 It's ridiculous. 0.96

00:09:38.000 Everybody can see the moves that she's making and the things that she's saying and it's kind of disreputable. 0.96

00:09:43.000 Okay, I got to say something, but go ahead. 0.97

00:09:45.000 Faux sophistication, disreputable, ridiculous. 0.98

00:09:49.000 That's a lot of stuff to say. 0.96

00:09:51.000 Let me tell you my biggest problem with this whole thing.

00:09:53.000 And Tyler will totally agree.

00:09:55.000 You don't act like this is a leader, Ben.

00:09:57.000 This is not how leaders act.

00:09:59.000 You don't do that.

00:10:00.000 If someone's on your payroll, someone you're building a company with, you don't go in front of donors or friends and you bash someone.

00:10:06.000 Leaders go in private and you hash it out.

00:10:08.000 Or you say we're done.

00:10:10.000 Right, Tyler?

00:10:11.000 That is, if I, if an executive at turning point would go and bash one of our people like that in front of, it would be publicly on video.

00:10:20.000 You'd be done.

00:10:23.000 That is not good behavior.

00:10:25.000 By the way, Ben has to be held to a higher standard.

00:10:27.000 Ben is a business owner here.

00:10:28.000 She's an employee.

00:10:30.000 Yeah.

00:10:30.000 And so he's the boss.

00:10:32.000 And so you know what he should have said?

00:10:33.000 It's like, boy, we're on different planets.

00:10:36.000 I'm not going to comment on that.

00:10:37.000 We're trying to solve it privately.

00:10:39.000 You don't do that.

00:10:41.000 That's been my biggest problem here.

00:10:43.000 And having dealt with plenty of fun things over the last decade, right, Tyler?

00:10:48.000 Well, we've dealt with a lot of influencers, people who have worked for us.

00:10:53.000 Where we don't always see things the same way.

00:10:55.000 Every day.

00:10:56.000 Every single day.

00:10:57.000 Like literally every day, including Candace.

00:10:59.000 Correct. 0.58

00:11:00.000 We've worked with Candace before, had many situations.

00:11:03.000 I'll say this from my own perspective, which is like, you're going to disagree.

00:11:07.000 You disagree with your own spouse.

00:11:09.000 We talk about this all the time.

00:11:10.000 We have people on our staff.

00:11:11.000 And at turning point action, we actually endorse candidates.

00:11:14.000 So this is different than even TPUSA.

00:11:16.000 We'll have a disagreement.

00:11:17.000 There'll be people that come into our atmosphere that don't like a candidate as much as Charlie likes a candidate or I like a candidate or somebody else likes a candidate or Jack.

00:11:28.000 Something Jack says on his show, something Charlie says on his show.

00:11:31.000 If you go out every time and escalate a situation, you're going to ultimately just completely disassemble what you've built.

00:11:41.000 It is bad leadership.

00:11:43.000 I don't think anyone has done that take yet.

00:11:45.000 That is bad leadership.

00:11:46.000 Forget all the ideological stuff.

00:11:48.000 Okay.

00:11:49.000 I think Ben is breaking all the rules of leadership because he looks at this, right, Blake, as like a religious crusade.

00:11:56.000 And I don't mean that negatively.

00:11:57.000 This to him is so personal.

00:12:00.000 It really has been that way just for a lot of people.

00:12:03.000 I think it's understandable.

00:12:04.000 It's extremely traumatic.

00:12:06.000 We've made the comparison to Israel's 9-11. 0.52

00:12:09.000 And I think we, you know, the older ones among us, like me, can remember 9-11 and how nationally traumatic it was.

00:12:18.000 And we did a lot of things that in hindsight we regret, you know, got rid of all civil liberties, all that sort of thing.

00:12:24.000 It's very easy to override.

00:12:28.000 You know, so you can hardly blame him for being extremely upset, except for, you know, as some people have pointed out, this is a different country, and we're very upset on our behalf, on their behalf.

00:12:38.000 And that's, that's kind of been an undercurrent to this is a lot of people saying, okay, look, we understand you're very upset, but this is not the United States.

00:12:47.000 So then it escalated further, which here's my, here's my theory.

00:12:50.000 Should we read the tweets first?

00:12:52.000 No, that's what I'm going to get to for sure.

00:12:54.000 But let me set the table because I don't think anyone has said this either.

00:12:57.000 So Tucker goes, I'm sorry, Candace goes on to Tucker and films an interview.

00:13:01.000 Okay.

00:13:02.000 And here's my theory. 1.00

00:13:03.000 Candace bashes Shapiro and Tucker. 0.99

00:13:06.000 She then texts somebody the Daily Wire saying she bashed Ben.

00:13:11.000 And then Ben preempts the Tucker interview by 30 minutes.

00:13:14.000 You look at the timestamps.

00:13:16.000 This was it was insane how quickly this was not a mistake.

00:13:19.000 Ben got a tip because Candace probably said, OMG, because love Candace, but she thought.

00:13:24.000 She tweeted that she was, that it was dropping.

00:13:26.000 No, But I think she told people privately she hit Ben, okay?

00:13:30.000 That she was like, I went after Ben.

00:13:32.000 Like this, this is going to be big.

00:13:34.000 Ben gets, and so Ben wants to play offense.

00:13:39.000 So then he decides of all the.

00:13:40.000 He wants to do a six-day war.

00:13:43.000 More than that.

00:13:44.000 And then, and honestly, I just, I think this is really, and so that's, that's not, that's not true.

00:13:52.000 So the Candace and Tucker recorded yesterday, okay?

00:13:55.000 On Wednesday.

00:13:56.000 Okay.

00:13:57.000 So someone in the chat, I know that for a fact.

00:14:01.000 Let me, let me finish this.

00:14:02.000 So anyway, the Ben then comes out of all the tweets, goes after Jack the tweet where Candace Owens tweets about blessed are the peacemakers.

00:14:15.000 Yeah, so we've got that.

00:14:17.000 Bring up number 81.

00:14:18.000 And so it's, Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.

00:14:23.000 Blessed are they when they persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

00:14:27.000 Blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for my sake.

00:14:33.000 That's, of course, from the Beatitude, Sermon on the Mount, Gospel of Matthew.

00:14:36.000 Then she jumps ahead a few verses still from the Sermon on the Mount.

00:14:39.000 No one can serve two masters.

00:14:41.000 Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other.

00:14:47.000 You cannot serve both God and money.

00:14:50.000 And so she tweets that.

00:14:52.000 And then number 82, Ben responds shortly after.

00:14:58.000 Does someone want to imitate Ben's voice?

00:15:01.000 Or maybe I'll do it.

00:15:04.000 Candace, if you feel that taking money from the Daily Wire somehow comes between you and God, by all means, quit.

00:15:09.000 That's pretty good.

00:15:10.000 And so hold on.

00:15:10.000 Yeah.

00:15:13.000 I got to keep doing it.

00:15:14.000 I'm sorry to.

00:15:15.000 Hold on.

00:15:16.000 She ain't taking money from you, Ben. 0.99

00:15:18.000 She's earning money. 0.82

00:15:19.000 What are you accusing her to be a thief? 0.99

00:15:19.000 Okay. 0.99

00:15:22.000 I got to be honest.

00:15:23.000 What are you doing here, man?

00:15:25.000 Candace, if you feel like taking money, whoa, taking money?

00:15:29.000 Does she not provide a podcast that you monetize? 0.99

00:15:33.000 You employ her to drive value for your company.

00:15:36.000 Subscriptions.

00:15:38.000 Exactly.

00:15:38.000 By the way, how many times have I been pushed a Daily Wire Plus ad with Candace's face?

00:15:42.000 Candace, if you feel that taking money, I don't like, Jack, am I nitpicking here?

00:15:48.000 Or is that nitpicking a little bit?

00:15:50.000 Jack, am I nitpicking?

00:15:52.000 No, I get what you're saying in the sense of she is an employee of the Daily Wire.

00:16:00.000 And I don't know the specifics of the contract or however it works out, Rev Sharing or everything, but just from the face of it, her name, her visage, her work, her profile, it's all done in furtherance of promoting the Daily Wire in the same way that here on Thought Crime, we promote it using our platforms, et cetera, et cetera.

00:16:21.000 So all of the work that she's done lately for Daily Wire Plus, her great George Floyd documentary, her counter documentary to Making of a Murderer, which dropped recently, these were huge events, and they all require Daily Wire Plus signups for anyone to, and I was involved in promoting both of those.

00:16:41.000 I participated in, and I was asked to by Daily Wire to promote, and I was more than happy to because I thought they were fantastic pieces of work.

00:16:47.000 And so the idea that she's taking money while this and not explaining it as if it's some sort of actual mutually beneficial contract, I think it is, I think it is a little disingenuous for him to say that she's taking money from the company when that's obviously not exactly what the confines of the relationship are.

00:17:05.000 So we might be nitpicking.

00:17:07.000 I don't think I am.

00:17:08.000 But that's a separate issue.

00:17:09.000 So that anyway, what goes on here, though, is then Ben escalates this publicly, in my opinion, because he knew the Tucker hit was.

00:17:16.000 Do you agree with that, Blake?

00:17:18.000 It's possible.

00:17:19.000 I don't know.

00:17:20.000 It's too coordinated.

00:17:21.000 They had to suspect this.

00:17:22.000 And then, so I'm this is minutes before the interview drops.

00:17:26.000 The what?

00:17:27.000 Uh, now we have 83.

00:17:28.000 This is her response to yes, well, because this was again, this was all right before Tucker dropped.

00:17:32.000 Right before, but before we get to Tucker itself, we should have her response.

00:17:35.000 Yes, the last thing that I think is an excellent response.

00:17:37.000 Yeah, so 83.

00:17:38.000 And she says, You have been acting unprofessional and emotionally unhinged for weeks now, weeks.

00:17:48.000 And we have all had to sit back and allow it.

00:17:50.000 We, that's interesting.

00:17:52.000 We have all had to sit back and allow it and have all tried to exercise exceeding understanding for your raw emotion.

00:18:00.000 But you cross a certain line when you come for scripture and read yourself into it.

00:18:05.000 I will not tolerate it.

00:18:06.000 There's another tweet where she says the Bible is not about you.

00:18:09.000 Yes, yes.

00:18:10.000 She does say that.

00:18:11.000 This is a really interesting point.

00:18:12.000 Like, I don't think people understand how interesting this point is.

00:18:15.000 And this is a real thought crime statement here.

00:18:17.000 So I need to be very careful about what I'm about to say.

00:18:21.000 I have lots of Jewish friends.

00:18:23.000 Charlie has lots of Jewish friends.

00:18:25.000 The moment you bring Jesus into a debate, it is a like bar none, convo over, total offense, anti-Semitic comment because, you know, they're really offended by the fact that basically what you're trying to say by quoting anything biblical, anything Christian, is that they murdered Jesus, right?

00:18:47.000 And like, this is the bigger, and this, I'm telling you, there's multiple examples of this in scripture where they've taken a scripture, completely pulled it out of context, and said, What you're trying to say with this scripture is anti-Semitic because the Jews killed Jesus.

00:19:03.000 And that's like actually the deeper conversation here.

00:19:05.000 Anytime you get an argument, and this is like, this is so funny to me because I've seen a couple of these examples where like Christians don't even think that way. 0.95

00:19:13.000 Most Christians don't even have that many Jewish friends, especially if you're from the South, right? 0.96

00:19:18.000 And like, that's just, they just don't even have any kind of context or understanding.

00:19:23.000 If you're from the Northeast, you have a little bit of a better understanding.

00:19:25.000 But the moment this happens, and so this is actually part of the subtext, I think, in this tweet, which is like the moment that she says something and he's paying attention, and he obviously she's been going after him, he's been going after her, whatever's been happening for weeks, months, probably years.

00:19:40.000 Who knows?

00:19:41.000 This is now again, reading themselves into the conversation.

00:19:45.000 I've seen this happen all the time.

00:19:47.000 You'll see all the time.

00:19:48.000 So, anyways, and also, and it's not anti-it's not anti-Semitic to quote Bible tweets.

00:19:53.000 And by the way, love all my Jewish friends, love all our friends.

00:19:58.000 We have many, we've been the most pro-Israel in the entire conservative movement.

00:20:02.000 We literally spend millions of dollars on pro-Israel, millions of dollars, right?

00:20:07.000 For what to be called anti-Semites to be Christian, like that's just is like at the heart.

00:20:13.000 Like, there has to be some meeting of the middle there.

00:20:16.000 And I think Ben is completely in the wrong by trying to read it.

00:20:19.000 So, yeah, Jack, please.

00:20:19.000 Totally wrong.

00:20:21.000 Yeah.

00:20:22.000 So, I think what's going on here, and Tucker gets into this later in the interview, and a lot of it gets extrapolated out, is really that, you know, I don't necessarily think that Candace has come down and said she opposes the IDF going after Hamas or if she's, you know, pro-October 7th and the attacks on the Kibbitzes that took place there.

00:20:22.000 Yeah.

00:20:48.000 I think what we really have here is this is a fault line for a lot of people on the right that comes down to sort of more of that America First versus heavy American interventionism.

00:21:01.000 You know, some people would say neoconservative type of stripe that exists on the right in America today, in American conservatism today.

00:21:10.000 Whereas an America First will look at this and say, Yeah, that's a policing action.

00:21:15.000 I support Israel going and do that. 0.98

00:21:17.000 Go take care of business. 0.98

00:21:18.000 Go get rid of those criminals.

00:21:20.000 Take care of what you got to do. 0.89

00:21:21.000 Keep your people safe.

00:21:22.000 All for it.

00:21:23.000 But someone who's more on the neoconservative side, who's probably supporting Nikki Haley, who's probably supporting intervention in general, you know, not a full-on Lindsey Graham, but you guys know what I mean.

00:21:35.000 You know, they're saying we need to send more money to Israel.

00:21:38.000 We need to send bombs, bullets, weapons, whatever it needs, whatever we have to get into.

00:21:44.000 You saw Ron DeSantis getting into this, and I'm not trying to make it political, but Ron DeSantis jumped onto this train at one point.

00:21:50.000 And his spokesman tried to claim that they were sending weapons somehow, this weird, you know, conflated, and it was totally debunked, by the way.

00:21:59.000 But they tried to claim that Ron DeSantis and the administration of Florida were sending weapons and body armor to Israel to fight Hamas.

00:22:08.000 And I think a lot of people, Tucker included, are looking at it and saying, look, you know, that's their fight.

00:22:14.000 Why don't you have the same type of emotional response when it comes to the American people?

00:22:19.000 Why don't you have the same?

00:22:20.000 And Tucker makes the point about fentanyl.

00:22:22.000 He says, why don't we see this type of emotional response when it comes to the fentanyl deaths?

00:22:27.000 When it comes to Candace talks about wounded warriors, you could also get into the 22 American veteran suicides per day.

00:22:35.000 We just don't see that same level of emotional response from our American political leaders, who, by the way, are supposed to be on the right when it comes to the American people when it comes to, and this falls, keep in mind, this comes in line after the 18 months, almost two years now of the Ukraine war, where we saw our politicians were so all in the tank for we've got to fight Ukraine. 0.61

00:22:58.000 This is the fight for freedom.

00:22:59.000 But people at home, ah, forget about it.

00:23:02.000 Yeah.

00:23:02.000 So go ahead, Blake.

00:23:03.000 Oh, no.

00:23:04.000 So it's just, we've got to.

00:23:06.000 So I think we've set this all up, and now we get to the real hammer thing, which is you were saying she set this up, but she got Ben to attack her, you know, six-day war style just before the Tucker interview drops.

00:23:17.000 But the Tucker interview is recorded before the latest stuff.

00:23:21.000 So were you thinking that she set that up because then it makes everything she says in the interview work better?

00:23:27.000 No, I mean, again, no, the sequence is just this: Ben's tweet about Candace resigning was because he got a tip that Candace is in Tucker's interview was coming and he was involved in an interview and he wanted to play offense calling for her resignation and not be totally caught on his heels.

00:23:46.000 That is, Jack, you agree at that, right?

00:23:48.000 That seems to be.

00:23:50.000 Well, I'll just say that the way I read that is probably because, and I'm sorry, but you know, and nothing but, and I'm not trying to like start anything, but we remember all the contract disputes at the Daily Wire that came out with the Crowder situation.

00:24:07.000 And Crowder had that fantastic scoop with the Nashville manifesto.

00:24:11.000 And so I have to imagine, and Candace, by the way, went full to bat for the Daily Wire with Invention.

00:24:18.000 She defended Ben on Timpu.

00:24:20.000 That's right.

00:24:21.000 And in defending them.

00:24:23.000 But when I think about the contract that they wanted Crowder to sign, which, by the way, didn't seem all that insane to me.

00:24:29.000 I didn't like the way Stephen handled all that.

00:24:31.000 Yeah, he didn't like it.

00:24:32.000 That's fine.

00:24:33.000 But again, this is to your point, Charlie, you know, stuff that should be handled behind closed doors, not out in public. 0.95

00:24:39.000 I have to imagine that Candace is obviously under a contract that's of similar terms.

00:24:44.000 And as such, if the Daily Wire, whether it's Ben, whether it's somebody else, no longer wants her to be there anymore, I'm sure, look, we all know Candace.

00:24:52.000 She does not come.

00:24:54.000 She is not, she's not a cheap date. 0.91

00:24:56.000 She's not a cheap date. 1.00

00:24:56.000 Let's put it that way. 1.00

00:24:57.000 So they definitely paid top dollar to get Candace to sign with the Daily Wire. 0.99

00:25:01.000 That's why, of course, you know, we offered her millions. 0.61

00:25:03.000 We offered her millions for thought crime.

00:25:05.000 But, you know, what can I say?

00:25:06.000 What can I say?

00:25:07.000 Daily Wire came in a little bit higher than we did.

00:25:09.000 And so for the record, Media Matters, that there's no truth to that.

00:25:13.000 But then 100% true. 0.54

00:25:15.000 But anyway, so this.

00:25:17.000 So you know what I'm saying? 0.82

00:25:18.000 She's under obligation.

00:25:19.000 Daily Wire is under obligation. 0.99

00:25:21.000 It's too expensive for them to get rid of her. 0.98

00:25:23.000 It would also cause too many problems.

00:25:25.000 So, of course, Ben comes out and says, why don't you just quit?

00:25:28.000 And the thing that I've just got a little bit of nagging thought in the back of my head is, you know, is that something that potentially he wants in that moment is for her to walk away so he doesn't have to.

00:25:39.000 Oh, I think he totally wants her to resign.

00:25:41.000 So let's go to some tape here.

00:25:44.000 Let's go to, there's several.

00:25:48.000 Let's play Cut 91.

00:25:49.000 So this is the actual Tucker-Candace interview.

00:25:52.000 And just so everyone is clear, this has just dominated right-wing circles now, right?

00:25:57.000 People are everything here.

00:25:58.000 Yeah, tens of millions.

00:26:00.000 Yes.

00:26:01.000 Play Cut 91, please.

00:26:03.000 Remarkable.

00:26:04.000 Really, I didn't remember that.

00:26:05.000 Yeah, he was pro the COVID vaccine.

00:26:06.000 I was anti-the vaccine. 1.00

00:26:08.000 You know, we were all idiots for not getting the vaccine. 1.00

00:26:10.000 So that's totally fine. 0.99

00:26:11.000 I am totally open to people having a difference in opinion.

00:26:14.000 I would hope that amongst colleagues that it would always be civil disagreement.

00:26:18.000 And I would never, in a private event, stand on a table and talk badly about Ben.

00:26:23.000 It's a little weird.

00:26:24.000 So he was on the left on those three biggest issues of our time.

00:26:27.000 Is what you're saying?

00:26:28.000 He has converted his opinions.

00:26:29.000 He's accepted responsibility.

00:26:30.000 He said, you know, I was wrong about the vaccine.

00:26:33.000 He is, you know, obviously pro-pharma.

00:26:34.000 His mom's a doctor.

00:26:35.000 And I say to people, I'm very aware of my perspectives on big pharma and I talk about it on my show openly.

00:26:41.000 And I think that that's a tremendous credit to the Daily Wire that they allow a difference of opinions.

00:26:46.000 But I would, as I said, hope that it would remain respectful.

00:26:50.000 So just so we're clear, Ben Shapiro back in 2020 was going after Elijah Schaefer and said, quote, in other words, get the vaccine dopes.

00:27:01.000 And he also was strangely friendly with Gottlieb, who was the Pfizer FDA guy that went back and forth.

00:27:10.000 And yeah, I mean, he was a big pusher of the vaccine.

00:27:13.000 Yeah, Ben was also a very big pusher and still is of the Ukrainian war effort and has been.

00:27:22.000 And also, I think he was pretty good on BLM or race.

00:27:27.000 So Tucker says wrong on the three biggest issues.

00:27:30.000 So was he pro-war in Ukraine?

00:27:32.000 He still is.

00:27:33.000 Okay.

00:27:33.000 So pro-Ukrain, I assume Ukraine's one.

00:27:33.000 Yeah.

00:27:35.000 And then COVID.

00:27:35.000 COVID.

00:27:36.000 And is the third one George Floyd BLM?

00:27:39.000 No, I think Ben's actually been traditionally very good on race.

00:27:43.000 I mean, that has been actually one of his strongest topics.

00:27:47.000 He's never really wavered on that, honestly.

00:27:49.000 I would imagine it's election integrity is probably the third.

00:27:52.000 Could be.

00:27:53.000 If I were to guess.

00:27:55.000 He did attack Derek Chauvin initially over the George Floyd situation.

00:27:59.000 Yeah, I know, but I want to give Ben credit.

00:28:01.000 For years, he actually carried a lot of the more base takes against BLM, I will say, to great.

00:28:08.000 He received, back in 14, 15, 16, he was...

00:28:11.000 He was one of the sharper critics against BLM and all these race hoaxes and stuff.

00:28:15.000 But I don't know if that remains.

00:28:17.000 I don't know.

00:28:17.000 But anyway, that's Tucker.

00:28:18.000 I don't know which three issues Tucker's talking about there.

00:28:20.000 Okay, let's continue, though, because this continued, it was probably one of the most interesting days on the internet ever, right, Blake?

00:28:28.000 I mean, you have Ben Shapiro and Candace fighting.

00:28:32.000 Again, just to remind you, Ben Shapiro pays Candace.

00:28:34.000 This is such bad form.

00:28:35.000 You don't do this.

00:28:36.000 You do not do this.

00:28:36.000 Okay.

00:28:39.000 And then there's a bigger issue here, too, which is like he's talking about when you employ someone, it doesn't matter who it is, but certainly one of your most highly paid, most valuable employees.

00:28:51.000 Like you're giving yourself a lot of problems, Charlie, when you're going out and talking about basically employee issues, telling people to quit.

00:28:59.000 You can't do some of those things.

00:29:00.000 Like you just, you just can't.

00:29:03.000 And again, I don't know how their contract's structured exactly and everything else, but like you're like, he's setting himself up for like a long-term multi-million dollar fight.

00:29:14.000 Why doesn't he just go meet with her?

00:29:16.000 Like go be a leader and be like, Candace, let's work this out.

00:29:18.000 But he's, but he's painting himself into a corner a little bit by talking about these things publicly.

00:29:24.000 Like, like Turning Point would never, we would never let you do this, Charlie, because it'd be like, well, she says something on this.

00:29:32.000 Let's actually play Clip 90.

00:29:35.000 Okay, great.

00:29:37.000 I think that's fair.

00:29:37.000 And just for clarity, because I really don't know, is he your boss?

00:29:41.000 I think there's a lot of misunderstanding about Ben's involvement.

00:29:45.000 He's not the CEO of The Daily Wire.

00:29:47.000 He is not making the dedication to the Daily Wire.

00:29:49.000 And I do want to make it very clear because people are like, how could you possibly save Daily Wire after this?

00:29:54.000 I have a very good relationship with the co-CEOs, The Daily Wire.

00:29:57.000 I don't want that video to become a reflection of how the Daily Wire works and the Daily Wire operates because I have had a very good experience with the CEOs and, you know, love Michael Knowles, love Matt Walsh, Andrew Claven.

00:30:12.000 We all get along really great.

00:30:13.000 So here's 94, the last time Candace, Ben, and I were all pictured together.

00:30:18.000 There you go.

00:30:19.000 See?

00:30:23.000 Charlie, what's going on with your Rivolino test right there, man?

00:30:23.000 I don't know why I'm talking about it.

00:30:26.000 Yeah, you know, some green lines on that.

00:30:29.000 Yeah.

00:30:29.000 Can we get the green lines up, folks?

00:30:31.000 I don't know why people are laughing.

00:30:33.000 Because it's funny, Charlie.

00:30:35.000 Hey, when you're with, when you're with, it's funny.

00:30:37.000 And Ben is actually standing on a box there.

00:30:39.000 We realize it.

00:30:41.000 But you got to lean in when you're with people that are half your height.

00:30:45.000 You guys have the same belt.

00:30:46.000 What's up with that?

00:30:47.000 Coordinated.

00:30:48.000 Anyway, sorry.

00:30:49.000 People were wondering.

00:30:50.000 So I guess this will help set up the next topic, too, which I think a lot of people could guess what the next thing will be, which is, you know, so it starts off as this fight between Candace and Tucker, but it's also becoming symbolic for, I think, a larger thought crime dispute that is happening in the wake of the new Gaza war, which is, let me see which number it is because our numbers are a bit jumbled up.

00:31:17.000 Well, Tucker also said something similar in his interview too.

00:31:20.000 It's kind of this all of a sudden ADL's on defense.

00:31:24.000 Yeah, they're on defense, but specifically it's as we've highlighted, which is a lot of people have jumbled up their opinions because of this recent conflict.

00:31:32.000 They've realized a lot of people on the left hate us.

00:31:35.000 A lot of stuff is going on.

00:31:37.000 And so we have donors who are pulling donations from this or that nonprofit or especially colleges.

00:31:43.000 And a lot of us are very grateful for that.

00:31:46.000 But what we see in clip number 92 here is Tucker and a lot of others are asking, okay, that's great.

00:31:51.000 But okay, why is it that this is when it started?

00:31:54.000 And they're like mad about the timing of it.

00:31:56.000 Let's just play number 92.

00:31:59.000 However, then I thought, well, wait a second.

00:32:01.000 If the biggest donors at, say, Harvard have decided, well, we're going to shut it down now.

00:32:06.000 Where were you the last 10 years in their life?

00:32:07.000 And that's the white genocide. 0.73

00:32:08.000 You were allowing this. 0.97

00:32:10.000 And then I found myself really hating those people, actually.

00:32:12.000 You're okay with that?

00:32:13.000 On what grounds were you okay with that?

00:32:15.000 And this is what I've been trying to explain to the pro-Israel lobby that what you are seeing is lack of support is people that are asking the question is where were you?

00:32:22.000 As we have endured all of this.

00:32:23.000 You were paying for it, actually.

00:32:24.000 You were paying for it.

00:32:26.000 You were paying for it.

00:32:26.000 You were calling my children immoral for their skin color.

00:32:30.000 You paid for that.

00:32:31.000 So why shouldn't I be mad at you?

00:32:33.000 I don't understand.

00:32:38.000 He said, shut it down.

00:32:39.000 ADL is not going to like that one.

00:32:42.000 Why is that like that?

00:32:43.000 Candace said the smartest thing here, which is I have received not hundreds, dozens of really well-meaning messages and calls from Jews saying, why is the right not standing with Israel?

00:32:54.000 I'm like, honestly, guys, where were you when all the white people were called for death?

00:32:59.000 Like, where were you when the University of Chicago said we need to have a class against whiteness, right?

00:33:04.000 I mean, no, I mean, a lot of like liberal Jews were funding this stuff, and we've said that on this show. 0.96

00:33:10.000 And so excuse us while we're a little bit less, I mean, like, again, we're supporting Israel, but like when our enthusiasm wanes, when I don't know, like white people have been, it's been in vogue to kill us. 0.94

00:33:23.000 Yeah, it's, I mean, we have like people will go on these like, you know, stabbing frenzies or, you know, they'll, they'll shoot cops.

00:33:30.000 And it's very clearly driven by, you know, this like vocal, like kind of deranged anti-white animus in the media, which is institutionalized.

00:33:42.000 I do think, you know, you can pull that back and say, you know, even if they didn't realize it till now, you know, to quote another Bible verse, you know, it's like you pay the same wage to the laborer, even if he only comes in in the afternoon.

00:33:53.000 And, you know, it's good if they realize it through this lens.

00:33:56.000 But there is definitely frustration from, you know, Tucker shows it and a lot of other people are showing it that, yeah, it's like, you know, you didn't see what was extremely obvious until this new incident.

00:34:10.000 And a lot of people are upset about that.

00:34:14.000 Whether it's fair or whether that means you shouldn't, you know, it should change how you feel about this current issue.

00:34:19.000 I think that can be debated, of course.

00:34:21.000 But it's definitely a very jarring evolution to see.

00:34:25.000 And you're seeing a lot more vocal criticism of, I guess, of Israel and how people feel about it than certainly than I have ever remember in my lifetime.

00:34:35.000 And then there's also this moral expectation of you must now fight for Israel.

00:34:35.000 Well, yeah.

00:34:41.000 You must now fight for this very hard and aggressively, which is fine.

00:34:46.000 Everyone has issues they care about.

00:34:48.000 But then we're like, well, one time out, guys.

00:34:49.000 I mean, weren't you also just simultaneously on board for the Floyd stuff, the CRT stuff, you know, and now you want us to come into the arena?

00:34:58.000 And I think this is the point, right?

00:35:00.000 And I just dropped in the chat about how some of America's biggest corporate leaders are like, meanwhile, while all this is going on, right?

00:35:07.000 And any distraction that's going to take place in the media is going to happen.

00:35:12.000 The biggest corporate leaders in America are applauding the CCP in San Francisco.

00:35:18.000 So they're doing this whole thing.

00:35:20.000 I think that's the very important element in how we frame this and talk about this is, hey, if none of these other things, these other problems that you've allowed to Have grown, then maybe people would have a lot more energy to be able to do that.

00:35:20.000 But this is the point.

00:35:38.000 But we're fighting a multifaceted war here where you've allowed for the anti-white rhetoric and the burning down of our cities to exist.

00:35:47.000 You have now allowed the CCP into our country where they're literally, again, and many of these leaders of these corporations are Jewish, by the way. 0.91

00:35:56.000 Where's the conversation about that?

00:35:58.000 I don't think the CCP is going to be on our side in the defense of Israel.

00:36:02.000 Last I checked.

00:36:03.000 Yes, exactly.

00:36:04.000 So, what do you do?

00:36:05.000 What are we doing?

00:36:06.000 So, how about getting on our side a little bit more?

00:36:08.000 How about many prominent leaders in the Jewish community recognizing that you have more friends in the Republican sphere and the conservative sphere than you do on the Democrat side?

00:36:19.000 And there is some positive movement.

00:36:23.000 Mark Rowan, Leon Kopperman have pulled gifts from the University of Pennsylvania.

00:36:27.000 We're starting to see more and more traction there.

00:36:33.000 But the big one now, Blake, is the richest man on the planet.

00:36:37.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:36:38.000 So that's the second topic here.

00:36:40.000 So obviously, we have the fight between Ben and Candace, but the same time this is happening, literally these same minutes we're texting back and forth about both.

00:36:49.000 There's, you know, Musk is, Elon Musk is on Twitter all the time, or X, I guess we should be respectful to his new name.

00:36:56.000 He's on it all the time.

00:36:57.000 He's replying to all these people.

00:36:58.000 Wow.

00:36:59.000 And it just goes incredibly viral.

00:37:02.000 So, kind of for full context, there was this ad that aired on, it was airing on television, but it was posted to Twitter.

00:37:11.000 And it was sort of this very, do we have?

00:37:16.000 Yes.

00:37:16.000 So this is the clip that got it going.

00:37:18.000 And so this is an advertisement.

00:37:20.000 It's about a minute long, but it's let's just play it.

00:37:23.000 78.

00:37:34.000 I saw what you've been posting.

00:37:38.000 Hitler was right. 1.00

00:37:42.000 I didn't teach you that.

00:37:46.000 You hide behind your screen, spewing all this hatred and ugliness.

00:37:51.000 You got something I want to say?

00:37:54.000 Get out of the truck and say it to their faces.

00:38:24.000 Was that the...

00:38:25.000 Is that ADL?

00:38:26.000 It was Stand Up to Jewish Hate.

00:38:27.000 I think it was.

00:38:28.000 I think that is a project at ADL.

00:38:30.000 Okay.

00:38:30.000 And so a lot of people got it.

00:38:31.000 It's a powerful ad.

00:38:32.000 It's not the people got really angry.

00:38:34.000 I didn't think it was super bad.

00:38:36.000 It doesn't anger.

00:38:36.000 I'm just saying cinematically, objectively, that's powerfully done.

00:38:39.000 So what people got angry about is they thought this fueled what's kind of a trope in the media, if you want to use that term, which is, you know, it's like this, you know, it's this white dad and his white kid, like very normal American, and, you know, kind of mainstreaming the idea that, like, oh, yeah, the source of anti-Semitism in American life is, you know, normie Americans who love Hitler and want to do the second Holocaust.

00:39:06.000 And, you know, people saying, like, no, the source of, you know, most anti-Semitism and especially the most violent, deranged anti-Semitism is, you know, a lot of, you know, groups that we've brought into America recently that have been coddled by the left, you know, the Ilhans Omar of the world, the Rashida's Talib of the world.

00:39:26.000 And like, that's the actual source of anti-Semitism in American life, especially the people who are going to do something really vicious.

00:39:32.000 You know, the people who are throwing rocks and vandalizing synagogues and all of that.

00:39:38.000 And instead, they sort of direct it again at the safe target, which is just normal Americans who in reality are just no one has ever been more pro-Jewish and pro-Israel than just the normal American white middle class.

00:39:56.000 So I want to know after that ad how many more Googles of Hitler was right are going to be afterwards. 0.88

00:40:04.000 And the follow-up ad, which was there were 140,000.

00:40:09.000 Well, yeah, because of your ad.

00:40:13.000 How many of those 70,000 did you guys actually instigate?

00:40:16.000 And so then this leads to just real quick.

00:40:19.000 So that's what the video was.

00:40:21.000 And then Elon Musk's tweet, which is the video?

00:40:25.000 So it happens as 86.

00:40:27.000 So some guy I've never heard of, breaking bot, the artist formerly known as Eric, he tweets this.

00:40:34.000 Okay, Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them. 0.77

00:40:44.000 I'm deeply discrap.

00:40:46.000 I don't have the whole tweet here.

00:40:48.000 I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest bleep now about Western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing crud. 1.00

00:40:57.000 Can you get the rest of this?

00:40:59.000 Let me pull it up.

00:40:59.000 Guys, this is too confusing.

00:41:01.000 People can't track this.

00:41:03.000 You got to be more precise.

00:41:04.000 Okay, so the point is, this guy is essentially tweeting that Jewish groups have stoked anti-white hatred rather than put the focus on, as he says, I think hordes of minorities who have been brought into the U.S. who have actual more anti-Semitic views.

00:41:21.000 And then all that happens is Musk replies, you have said the actual truth.

00:41:26.000 Okay, let's summarize.

00:41:27.000 So this tweet that he said the actual truth is the following that Jewish people have done what?

00:41:33.000 That they have pushed dialectical hatred against whites.

00:41:37.000 Okay, so that is largely true, isn't it?

00:41:40.000 Well, so dialectical hatred is sort of like a weird buzzword.

00:41:44.000 That's sort of saying they have this like Halmudic drive towards hating whites, I think, which that's kind of a weird take.

00:41:52.000 But I think the basic idea that there are, especially on the left, like the ADL, that there have been publicly overtly Jewish organizations that have promoted left-wing stuff that favors like open borders for the United States while also.

00:42:10.000 So I think what Elon was focusing on here to defend Elon, because I mean, I wouldn't say that every Jewish person hates white people.

00:42:18.000 I don't think that's fair.

00:42:19.000 So I don't, I don't.

00:42:21.000 Well, I don't know what Elon will have to defend himself, but I do think that it's fair to say, hold on a second, their major institutions funded by Jewish people, colleges and nonprofits, have been the biggest sponsors intellectually and politically of the importation of the third world into the West and of anti-white sentiments. 0.95

00:42:41.000 Jack or Tyler first.

00:42:42.000 Well, I was just going to say real quick: in corporations, right?

00:42:44.000 And then also the large Jewish populations that have a responsibility to protect their own community and to stand against this type of stuff, where this is happening in their cities where there are larger Jewish populations as well.

00:42:57.000 New York, Philadelphia, a lot in the Northeast.

00:43:00.000 Well, and so, Jack, I mean, just for example, BLM is a great example of this, right?

00:43:05.000 So, so, Jack, what was Elon saying?

00:43:08.000 This is a, I'll be honest, this is a weird tweet.

00:43:11.000 I've read it three or four times.

00:43:13.000 It doesn't, I don't think it's easy to understand what this guy was.

00:43:16.000 I sort of get it, right?

00:43:18.000 But, Jack, you got it, you got to interpret it. 0.94

00:43:20.000 Again, I'm not a moron, so you got to, you got to help me out here. 0.94

00:43:23.000 Like, dialectical hatred.

00:43:25.000 I mean, I know what that means, but I just, I don't, that doesn't resonate.

00:43:27.000 Yeah, I think in, well, in the context, keep in mind that he's, this tweet is a response to the video, which we just played.

00:43:34.000 So this is commentary on that's helpful to know.

00:43:37.000 Okay.

00:43:38.000 And so the commentary point being, and I threw this out there as well earlier.

00:43:41.000 So this is a Bob Crab-funded video funded through this organization, Stop Anti-Jewish Hate.

00:43:48.000 Then they put out this video that's promoting the Roscos from Arkansas trope.

00:43:53.000 So I call the Roscoe trope.

00:43:55.000 This was created by the guy, the Canadian Professor Gad said, who said that Roscos from Arkansas have from the river to the sea tattooed on their forehead.

00:44:06.000 And I responded to him saying, I don't think it's Roscos from Arkansas that are marching in these pro-Palestine, pro-Hamas marches across the West, storming Westminster Abbey, by the way, last night, GA. 0.51

00:44:21.000 And then he blocked me for saying that.

00:44:23.000 Yes.

00:44:24.000 It's a bizarre thing.

00:44:25.000 And so, like, if I just finish.

00:44:27.000 And so, what I think Elon is pointing out here is that there is a sort of cognitive dissonance because they're attacking a group, which, by the way, by and large, probably when you're talking about the South and the Midwest, that's a lot of evangelicals, a lot of the Southern Baptist Convention.

00:44:44.000 This is a very pro-Israel, like probably the most pro-Israel group in America.

00:44:50.000 And just in general, these are also salt of the earth people.

00:44:53.000 They're not the ones that you should be worried about.

00:44:55.000 But unfortunately, it is the people that we've been importing into this country. 1.00

00:44:59.000 And probably, and Trump, of course, has been out there saying we should look at deportations, canceling visas.

00:45:04.000 Many people have all studies are also coming out now saying that a lot of the organizers of these events actually are here on student visas or otherwise some sort of temporary visa to the United States.

00:45:16.000 And so we should be looking at pulling those things because we are actually importing people into our, and let's just say civilization that are not part of it, that don't share our values, and that are actually for attacking it and the things that we hold dear.

00:45:29.000 It's as simple as that.

00:45:31.000 And so I think when you look at in terms of this, I think what Elon is actually saying here is that you guys need to redirect fire.

00:45:39.000 You can't have your cake and eat it too.

00:45:41.000 Yes.

00:45:41.000 Like, and this is the point, too.

00:45:43.000 We just saw, and this is, again, to refocus this, forget even the people from outside the country who are coming into this country via our university systems and getting visas to attend that have all of these really radical viewpoints that support an anti-Jewish state.

00:46:01.000 Here is the bigger issue: like you look at ASU the other night.

00:46:04.000 We have had some really incredible student leaders that we've supported through Turning Point USA that have defended against BDS for years.

00:46:15.000 This last week at Arizona State University, Swing State, Arizona, Arizona State University, there is a push to pass a BDS resolution, which hasn't been passed in like 10 years, mainly because of what's going on.

00:46:29.000 Outside the windows, when the student body president gets up and says, We're not doing this, everyone go home, which was a great, great kid, great move.

00:46:38.000 They start throwing rocks outside.

00:46:40.000 So I'm throwing rocks at the windows.

00:46:43.000 Those aren't kids from international homes.

00:46:46.000 You know who those are?

00:46:47.000 Those are white, ultra-liberal, ultra-Marxist kids who have been completely indoctrinated through the universities at these mega state-funded university campuses here in the United States.

00:47:02.000 And so you have to look at this and go, you look at the Soviet mantra, the CCP mantra.

00:47:07.000 They want chaos.

00:47:08.000 They want division from within.

00:47:10.000 They want to support this craziness.

00:47:11.000 This is happening.

00:47:12.000 Where I will disagree with the tweet is I don't agree with this and this part.

00:47:17.000 Cause I had to read, I don't think this is well written.

00:47:18.000 I'll be honest.

00:47:19.000 It sounds like someone is trying to be too smart.

00:47:21.000 I'll be, it doesn't.

00:47:22.000 I've read this three or four times.

00:47:23.000 Have to read something four times, it's on them, not you.

00:47:27.000 That's the Dennis Prager rule for consumption.

00:47:29.000 No, it's true.

00:47:29.000 Yeah, he taught me that.

00:47:30.000 He's where he said, I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest, you know, S-H-I-T.

00:47:36.000 Now, incorrect use of disinterested, by the way.

00:47:40.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:47:40.000 This is not well written.

00:47:42.000 Anyway, I don't know who this person is, but about Western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country don't exactly. 0.87

00:47:52.000 I disagree.

00:47:52.000 I actually do support.

00:47:54.000 I am interested in Jewish people waking up. 1.00

00:47:57.000 I don't agree with that.

00:48:00.000 Am I a little bit like, where have you been?

00:48:01.000 Yeah, at the same time, I think it's good if Jews are pulling their money from universities. 1.00

00:48:06.000 So I don't agree with that's where he's like, I'm deeply disinterested.

00:48:09.000 There's huge bitterness to it.

00:48:11.000 No, but why would you be well?

00:48:13.000 But if Elon is saying the truthful part is that Jewish donors have primarily turned a blind eye to anti-white, anti-Western stuff to support elitist institutions. 0.61

00:48:22.000 And they thought that, okay, fine.

00:48:24.000 But the part of the tweet I don't like is I'm actually super interested in Jews waking up. 1.00

00:48:28.000 So I'm bitter.

00:48:29.000 Like, you were mad for years that these groups were like funding all of this stuff while you're like, guys, it's all going to blow up in your face.

00:48:36.000 And now it's blown up in their faces.

00:48:38.000 And a lot of people are real.

00:48:39.000 I think we should support any community waking up, though, right?

00:48:42.000 I don't think we should be like, no, I'm not interested in your awakening.

00:48:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:46.000 Just like, can you go back?

00:48:48.000 I want to go back to not liking you.

00:48:50.000 That's such a good point.

00:48:51.000 Yeah.

00:48:51.000 And so, all right.

00:48:52.000 So now we have to talk about the fire because we don't really know what Elon's talking about here because he kind of does follow-up tweets that make it a very clear thread.

00:49:02.000 So he talks about, if you have it, Jack, go ahead and bring it up.

00:49:05.000 Otherwise, I'll try to race to bring it up here.

00:49:08.000 Because he does some follow-up tweets that just clarify that he's talking about the ADL as opposed to other stuff.

00:49:14.000 Let me try to find it quickly.

00:49:17.000 Tyler, you talk well I think.

00:49:18.000 I mean, I can continue here.

00:49:20.000 So again, they're saying it's anti-Semitic and all this.

00:49:22.000 And I just, the part of the paragraph that I think is 100% true, Jewish communities have been pushing the exact type of, forget this dialectical, you're being too cute by half men. 1.00

00:49:33.000 Hatred.

00:49:33.000 Okay, let's just get rid of that word.

00:49:35.000 You don't understand Hegel probably.

00:49:36.000 So just get out of the way.

00:49:38.000 Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them. 0.96

00:49:44.000 That is true.

00:49:45.000 That's true.

00:49:45.000 Right.

00:49:46.000 The next part is you're not interested in people waking up.

00:49:49.000 I don't like that.

00:49:50.000 So that just says it's kind of elitist.

00:49:53.000 It's also, as Blake said, it's bitter.

00:49:55.000 And I don't like bitterness in our politics.

00:49:57.000 If blacks want to wake up against the Democrats, God bless them. 0.97

00:50:00.000 If Jews want to wake up against the left, God bless them. 0.97

00:50:02.000 Will it actually stick?

00:50:03.000 I don't know.

00:50:04.000 Okay, then there's this tweet from Elon.

00:50:06.000 Okay.

00:50:06.000 So first he tweets, okay.

00:50:12.000 The ADL unjustly attacks the majority of the West, despite the majority of the West supporting the Jewish people and Israel.

00:50:20.000 This is because they cannot, by their own tenets, criticize the minority groups that are their primary threat.

00:50:26.000 It is not right and it needs to stop.

00:50:28.000 He talks a bit more and then there's another reply that he does.

00:50:31.000 Again, at the risk of being repetitive, I am deeply offended by ADL's messaging and any other groups who push de facto anti-white racism or anti-Asian racism or racism of any kind.

00:50:47.000 I'm sick of it.

00:50:48.000 Stop now.

00:50:48.000 And in the midst of this, God bless him for saying in the midst of all this, he replies to another tweet where he says, when people talk about decolonization, they mean destroying like the Jewish state.

00:50:58.000 And that's, they mean a Jewish genocide. 0.72

00:50:59.000 And that's unacceptable. 0.82

00:51:00.000 He's right.

00:51:01.000 And so he's just very much this guy in the middle saying, like, I don't like anti-Semitism and I don't like anti-white racism or anti-Asian racism.

00:51:12.000 They're all bad.

00:51:14.000 And then you have, you know, these political actors in the media like blowing up at him.

00:51:19.000 So Jake Tapper replies last night right after this happens, Elon Musk pushing unvarnished anti-Semitism.

00:51:27.000 What would varnished anti-Semitism be, by the way?

00:51:30.000 Unvarnished anti-Semitism at a time of rising anti-Semitism.

00:51:35.000 He's so mad on Twitter, their grammar just disappears.

00:51:39.000 And he's like rising anti-Semitism and violence against Jews.

00:51:42.000 Elon Musk is the real sinister actor here.

00:51:45.000 And then Yair Rosenberg over at The Atlantic puts out Elon Musk's disturbing truth.

00:51:53.000 The billionaire affirmed the deadliest anti-Semitic conspiracy theory in recent American history.

00:51:59.000 Very fast.

00:52:00.000 They did this all very fast.

00:52:02.000 Yeah, and it's almost as if, you know.

00:52:04.000 Well, Yare Rosenberg has been obsessed with Musk for months.

00:52:06.000 So he had another headline all the way back in when criticizing George Soros is not inherently anti-Semitic, but casting him as an avatar of evil is.

00:52:17.000 Wait, so George Soros funds all of the woke stuff that has led to the most amount of anti-Semitism in America that we've had probably since, you know, pre-1940.

00:52:29.000 That's correct. 0.97

00:52:30.000 And they can't take, this is the awakening that's happening in the back dark closets of newsrooms right now, which is like, holy crap, we're like losing ground now with Jews. 0.99

00:52:44.000 We're losing ground with blacks. 1.00

00:52:46.000 We're losing ground with Hispanics. 1.00

00:52:49.000 And Donald Trump's going to see maybe like a five to 10 point spike in all these communities and inner cities.

00:52:55.000 Like we are in really big trouble.

00:52:57.000 Like really big trouble.

00:52:58.000 Because that's the only way they can survive is when they don't have to worry about when you look at how they have to chase their votes and everything else.

00:53:05.000 This is all they care about.

00:53:06.000 They care about these issues as it pertains to the next election.

00:53:11.000 And so it's really eye-opening.

00:53:14.000 And what I think is the bigger takeaway, again, because I've reread that tweet now for the sixth time, I wish Elon would have picked a different tweet because it's not that smart.

00:53:14.000 Yeah.

00:53:23.000 It is some good, some bad, is that the world's richest man is identifying anti-white racism and anti-Asian racism as a moral cancer.

00:53:34.000 Jack, that's an overton window win that literally during Floyd Apalooza, during the race riots, if you would have told us three years later, the wealthiest man on the planet would be talking about anti-white racism.

00:53:50.000 Jack, you and I together, we were on an island on that with very few allies, right?

00:53:55.000 In the calendar year of 2020, talking about the war on white people, you know, black squares. 1.00

00:54:01.000 And now the world's wealthiest man is saying, by the way, this is a moral toxin.

00:54:07.000 Let's just kind of take a step back.

00:54:10.000 Something we're doing is working as far as moving the, forget all the political stuff.

00:54:15.000 We'll sort that out later.

00:54:16.000 This is a huge advancement.

00:54:19.000 Charlie.

00:54:20.000 Right, Jack?

00:54:21.000 You know, let's take it even back further than that.

00:54:24.000 Let's look at, so we just crossed the one-year mark of Elon purchasing Twitter, renaming it X.com.

00:54:32.000 Has the propensity for freedom of speech increased or decreased in that one year?

00:54:38.000 It's magnanimously increased.

00:54:41.000 It's so huge.

00:54:43.000 It's absolutely enormous, the fact that people are now able, and now, and again, people will say, well, these are, you know, these are controversial takes.

00:54:50.000 People are just being more controversial.

00:54:52.000 I disagree because when we're talking about freedom of speech, when the founders, you know, not to get all like boomer con on everybody, but when the founders were talking about freedom of political speech, they obviously meant things that were not politically correct to say, but may actually be true.

00:55:07.000 And so Elon, he's the kind of guy, because he has this sort of engineering mind, this engineering background.

00:55:14.000 You know, he just wants to solve the problem.

00:55:16.000 He doesn't care about all the, you know, the shibblots in between. 1.00

00:55:19.000 He doesn't care about taboos.

00:55:21.000 He doesn't care about social niceties.

00:55:23.000 He just wants to solve the problem.

00:55:24.000 When he's, you know, he wants to put people on Mars, right?

00:55:27.000 What's the best way to put people on Mars?

00:55:28.000 I don't care what race, color, gender the team is of scientists that are building the rockets and building the colonies.

00:55:36.000 I just want to put people on Mars.

00:55:37.000 So he's laser focused on something like that.

00:55:40.000 And when you have that type of mind and you look and then someone else comes to you and says, oh, well, we need to make sure that we have this quotient and this quotient.

00:55:48.000 You're not allowed to use that verb.

00:55:49.000 You know, Trump mentions the word, used the word vermin the other day, and some somehow it's immediately connected to Hitler when it's obviously just a word that kind of popped into his mouth because he was talking about people that he viewed as pests, right?

00:56:02.000 He was talking about Intifa.

00:56:03.000 He was talking about communists, right?

00:56:04.000 There's no direct connection whatsoever.

00:56:06.000 It doesn't matter.

00:56:07.000 And Vivek Ramaswamy is forced to then try to respond to this on CNN. 0.96

00:56:11.000 It's ridiculous. 0.96

00:56:12.000 The whole thing is ridiculous on its face, and it always has been. 0.75

00:56:16.000 So the fact that Elon bought X, which I don't think is something that anyone, Elon included, could have actually predicted prior to it actually happening, I would say not only has been an unmitigated force for good in the world, it's also driven us towards, number one, more freedom, which, by the way, is driving peace in the world.

00:56:38.000 I would say, you know what?

00:56:39.000 Elon Musk Nobel Peace Prize.

00:56:41.000 Go for it.

00:56:42.000 Honestly, the liberation of X is one of the biggest wins for liberty in a generation. 0.69

00:56:46.000 What Elon did is what billions of dollars of money and conservative nonprofits never could have done.

00:56:51.000 I mean, would you agree?

00:56:52.000 I mean, not in a million years.

00:56:54.000 It will go down even if tomorrow.

00:56:56.000 Straight into the white paper.

00:56:57.000 Even if today the FBI came in and shut down all of X, what has already been accomplished, the ideas that are now allowed to get out there is already significantly enriched our discourse.

00:57:09.000 Yes.

00:57:10.000 This far into 2024, too. 0.62

00:57:12.000 The closer we get to the election, I mean, they're going to just try to shut that thing out.

00:57:16.000 And the obsession I'm talking about is, I think, really hurting them.

00:57:19.000 Because, like, first of all, it's just inherently absurd to say that Elon Musk is an anti-Semite.

00:57:24.000 Like, how many Semites do you think that Elon Musk has had to employ at Tesla, at SpaceX, at any of his companies to make them successful? 1.00

00:57:32.000 Stupid arguments. 1.00

00:57:34.000 I'll bet 70% of Elon Musk's friends are literally Jewish, probably. 1.00

00:57:37.000 Like Austin Tech scene.

00:57:39.000 Okay, yeah.

00:57:40.000 And they're like so, and it's exposing how political it is that they're so obsessed with taking Musk down because he brought free speech back, that he's had these successful companies, that he's sort of not on the, you know, on the Democratic, you know, they can't keep him on their plantation, as it were.

00:57:59.000 And so they're, you know, they've been obsessed for months with taking him down.

00:58:05.000 And so they're seizing on this so immediately.

00:58:08.000 You know, Jake Tapper comes out, Yar Rosberg comes out, and they're like, they're screaming anti-Semitism at him.

00:58:13.000 So it's immediate, yeah, and on Drudge.

00:58:16.000 And so it's immediately exposing that this is just a weaponized political attack on him.

00:58:20.000 It's going to fail.

00:58:22.000 And then it's going to, I think, cause a wider realization of this.

00:58:26.000 And then also, you know, as far as donors matter, Elon Musk is the richest man in the world.

00:58:30.000 He has a ton of friends who are also billionaires.

00:58:34.000 I think in the small, much smaller social world of ultra-rich Americans who are invested in politics, I think this is going to cause a major revision in how a lot of them maybe view the elite Democrat media establishment, both in terms of seeing the hostility they can bring against you, how they don't share your interests, the threat that they can be to you.

00:58:56.000 And yeah, maybe if they destroy Musk, they can sort of terrorize these people into quiet, into publicly acquiescing.

00:59:04.000 I think behind the scenes, there's going to be a lot more wealthy Americans who are very opposed to this.

00:59:10.000 I can hope anyway.

00:59:11.000 I just, I mean, go ahead, Jack.

00:59:14.000 No, I was going to actually ask you something because there's a point that you made recently.

00:59:18.000 It's a trend I would say that you identified that I think actually is playing out here.

00:59:23.000 Do you think that this is an example of, by the way, Blake, you mentioned, you know, Jewish people that Elon's friends, very close friends with David Sachs.

00:59:31.000 They're clearly, you know, work together very, very closely.

00:59:34.000 They've done a lot together.

00:59:36.000 You know, I'd love to see them, you know, on a stage together, maybe at a stage somewhere soon.

00:59:42.000 And Charlie, you mentioned something before about how it's like this Gen X uprising.

00:59:47.000 That's sort of there's this Gen X pragmatism versus the sort of like baby boomer moralism that we're seeing go on right now.

00:59:56.000 Do you think what Elon is doing is playing into that right now?

00:59:58.000 Is this a trend?

01:00:00.000 I have this repeated theory where I think there is this volcano of Gen X that is going to erupt. 0.72

01:00:05.000 And it is they're so sick of baby boomers. 1.00

01:00:08.000 They've always been under the shadow of baby boomers. 1.00

01:00:11.000 They're also exhausted that millennials are basically overtaking them.

01:00:15.000 They are the closest thing to a forgotten generation in the modern era ever.

01:00:19.000 And they actually wield a significant amount of energy and power.

01:00:23.000 And right now they're up, they're upticking as far as their top of their career.

01:00:27.000 So just so everyone knows what ages we're talking about, people born between 1965 and 1980, right?

01:00:33.000 So specifically like mid-70s is when they were born.

01:00:38.000 So these are people in their late 40s, early 50s, or late 50s, right?

01:00:41.000 So they're definitely culturally different than baby boomers. 0.99

01:00:45.000 They have not had adequate representation in corporate life, in politics, in media.

01:00:52.000 Ron DeSantis is Gen X, for example.

01:00:54.000 Elon Musk is Gen X, right?

01:00:56.000 And so my theory continues that, yeah, Tucker is Gen X.

01:01:00.000 They view the world completely differently than baby boomers. 1.00

01:01:05.000 They feel as if they've been passed over because it's true. 1.00

01:01:08.000 They've been waiting their turn for their whole life.

01:01:10.000 They've been waiting, like, okay, eventually we're going to be in charge.

01:01:14.000 And it just hasn't materialized that much.

01:01:17.000 And they see the country falling apart.

01:01:20.000 And I think the right wing tilt of Gen X is going to be one of the most promising political trends.

01:01:29.000 Yeah, I mean, we see it with, you say, Peter Thiel.

01:01:32.000 Peter Thiel, 1967.

01:01:34.000 Yeah.

01:01:34.000 So, I mean, but you could, you go one by one by one, right?

01:01:37.000 And they are.

01:01:39.000 Yes.

01:01:40.000 I mean, yeah, you go through the list.

01:01:42.000 You're like, wow, that's a pattern.

01:01:45.000 And the pattern is really exciting.

01:01:47.000 And so anyway, the point is this, is that Elon Musk, in some ways, is almost pushing back against institutional boomer norms.

01:01:57.000 And that's what's really driving this is that, you know, him even signaling this out is, I had a boomer come up to me and not a great donor we just had an amazing lunch with, really amazing guy.

01:02:09.000 People get so mad when we when we talk this.

01:02:11.000 No, no, no, this is not even.

01:02:12.000 You're just trying to categorize the situation.

01:02:15.000 And this is, this is not even a bad thing.

01:02:17.000 And he says, man, he says, we would not even be allowed to say the word Jew when I grew up.

01:02:22.000 He said, how are you guys even able to say this?

01:02:25.000 And he's like, it kind of makes me uncomfortable as a boomer, Charlie, when you say Jewish dollars are funding left-wing stuff.

01:02:31.000 He's like, it's true.

01:02:32.000 He's like, you're so courageous.

01:02:34.000 And I was like, what are you talking about?

01:02:37.000 He's like, what world do you live in?

01:02:38.000 Like, I love Jewish people, but I'm also not going to censor my speech because of some sort of cultural sort of Damocles.

01:02:47.000 And he was, and God bless him.

01:02:48.000 He was so honest.

01:02:49.000 He was like, I don't understand how you guys are able to talk about this.

01:02:54.000 He's like, I'm afraid that I'm playing into some trope.

01:02:56.000 And he said, if I would have said what you guys say now, he's like, I would have lost my job, been canceled, censored, and kicked out to the curb.

01:03:05.000 Elon is kind of looking at boomer norms.

01:03:06.000 It's like, nah, not going to do that, Blake.

01:03:10.000 So it's just another dimension of this, which is so APAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a major lobby group in the US, very pro-Israel, of course.

01:03:20.000 And they've sort of, it's recently been revealed that they're gearing up to spend $100 million in the 2024 congressional races.

01:03:29.000 And their objective is to knock out the so-called members of the squad.

01:03:33.000 AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Presley.

01:03:38.000 There's a few others who've joined Bowman, I think, as a member.

01:03:41.000 And, you know, obviously they're the left-wing of the Democratic Party.

01:03:43.000 They're some of the most critical of Israel.

01:03:46.000 Talib, of course, just got censured in Congress, or at least they had, that did pass, yes.

01:03:51.000 And so their idea is, okay, we're going to unseat them.

01:03:55.000 Well, obviously that means you're going to bankroll people in the Democrat primaries.

01:03:58.000 They're all in incredibly blue seats.

01:03:59.000 No Republican's going to win those.

01:04:01.000 And I think it's very telling that that's their priority, that they're sort of, they're thinking, okay, there's this bubbling up of anti-Israel sentiment in the Democratic Party, but like, no, the Democratic Party, that's our party.

01:04:13.000 We're just going to, you know, have a really highly paid challenger and they'll knock these people off and we'll be fine.

01:04:20.000 And I think what they'll find is this is going to be a lot harder than they expect.

01:04:23.000 They're going to be, I think, very surprised by how little enthusiasm there is in these hyper-blue districts for this sort of priority for knocking these people out. 0.92

01:04:33.000 And so they'll be caught off guard by that.

01:04:36.000 And even if they win, they'll just see more of this bubbling up because this is the trend in the Democratic Party.

01:04:41.000 But they would rather do this than just, I think, accept what is most obvious, which is the most naturally pro-Jewish population in America is just the right. 0.95

01:04:52.000 The Roscoe's.

01:04:53.000 But hold on.

01:04:55.000 Hold on a second.

01:04:55.000 Let me play devil's advocate here.

01:04:57.000 So I had a different gut reaction.

01:04:59.000 So the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, APAC, is going to spend $100 million to go after AOC, Elon Omar, Jamal Bowman, Ayanna Presley, some other black woman that I don't know, probably a lesbian, Rashida Talib, and then another black woman, Ayanna Presley.

01:05:12.000 So it's all.

01:05:13.000 So my initial reaction was completely different.

01:05:16.000 I'm just going to be honest.

01:05:17.000 I said, honestly, God bless moderate Jews for wanting to spend money against Democrats. 0.99

01:05:23.000 Because, I mean, I guess I guess my...

01:05:25.000 But they're spending it on other Democrats, which I get that.

01:05:30.000 But you and I both know then that Democrat, that's a fair point.

01:05:34.000 That's a fair point.

01:05:36.000 But I guess the question is, would you rather see APAC spend $100 million on the ADL or say, hey, we're going to go primary Marjorie Taylor Greene?

01:05:47.000 Right.

01:05:48.000 I mean, I think it's a somewhat promising thing that they've identified the AOC now has to go do fundraisers.

01:05:55.000 She now has to go defend her turf, right?

01:05:57.000 Now, let's talk politically, Tyler.

01:05:59.000 This is probably a good thing.

01:06:00.000 Misdirection of resources, right?

01:06:02.000 Energy, time.

01:06:03.000 Honestly, that's what I don't like about that Elon tweet that he responded to.

01:06:07.000 I think it's a good thing that Jewish donors are at least signaling out Democrats as the problem. 1.00

01:06:12.000 Am I thinking correctly about this type of thing?

01:06:13.000 Yeah, totally.

01:06:14.000 I mean, we're in a war.

01:06:16.000 And when we lose, the worst, right, is when they're able to stack up their resources and attack nothing but Republicans.

01:06:26.000 You have to, and this is really interesting.

01:06:28.000 This is a really interesting point that we have to remind conservatives of all the time, is it's all directional.

01:06:33.000 Like you can't turn the ship, right, like that quickly on things.

01:06:38.000 And so having attacks happen, Democrat on Democrat attacks happen, we need to lean into that, encourage that, help that, because that's exactly the core, the heartbeat of the problem.

01:06:51.000 And remember that we grow more with if as long as we're prepared, right?

01:06:56.000 With the right resources, the right armies, our own preparation to actually support the right people, do the right thing and get more, gain more conservative ground.

01:07:07.000 But heading into 2024, this is really bad for Democrats because you already have vote splitting and ticket splitting happening with potentially our friend in West Virginia being out.

01:07:19.000 You have Kirsten Sinema here in Arizona.

01:07:22.000 You've got, you know, the RFK Jr., I know, we're divided on our opinion on that stuff.

01:07:28.000 You've got, you know, Colonel West.

01:07:30.000 You've got the Green Party nomination here.

01:07:35.000 So you've already got so much splitting, so much resource redirection.

01:07:40.000 And now the question is, it's really to me, Charlie, and this, I think this piggybacks on this conversation, which is not so much, are Democrats going to attack each other and how much, but how prepared are we going to be to take advantage of that situation?

01:07:54.000 And so I just, having spent time around APAC, to be honest, and I've been around there, you know, Tyler, I think you have too, right?

01:07:54.000 Yeah.

01:08:03.000 Yep.

01:08:03.000 There's a ton of Democrats at APAC, right?

01:08:06.000 It's mostly Democrats.

01:08:07.000 Mostly Democrats.

01:08:08.000 80% Democrats.

01:08:08.000 Yeah.

01:08:09.000 And they're Jewish Democrats. 0.74

01:08:10.000 So Blake, it's not the best use, but isn't it better that Jewish Democrats are going to go deploy money to go at least cause a headache and havoc amongst who we consider to be some of the least desirable political creatures in America? 1.00

01:08:26.000 Oh, for sure, for sure.

01:08:27.000 Definitely it is an improvement over what, you know, maybe the worst possible thing they could do is.

01:08:32.000 But we can hope for more.

01:08:34.000 It's, I do think it would be better if they would just recognize that the Democratic Party has become and is going to continue to become something very hostile to their interests.

01:08:48.000 And I think it's sort of a recurring issue.

01:08:51.000 You know, 20 years ago, so you might not remember this, but about around 2004, Philip Roth, a pretty famous American novelist, wrote a book, The Plot Against America.

01:09:01.000 The plot of the book is that it's an alt history novel where Charles Lindbergh wins the 1940 presidential election.

01:09:08.000 And on the back of this wave of anti-Semitism in America emanating from Kentucky and the Dakotas and Middle America, that we kind of have an almost Holocaust in America and we like align with Nazi Germany. 0.52

01:09:21.000 And the book is fundamentally pretty deranged because the premise of it is, again, that there's this huge reserve of Nazi-style anti-Semitism in middle America that if not for FDR, it all would have bubbled up and it could have all been so horrible.

01:09:35.000 And that doesn't accord with historical reality.

01:09:39.000 Like that's just not where anti-Semitism even was in America at the time.

01:09:41.000 And it was not a mythology.

01:09:43.000 Yeah, it's a mythology.

01:09:44.000 And we're seeing it manifest today where, you know, we have these people who worry about the Roscos who are supposedly going to do all this bad stuff. 0.55

01:09:52.000 And I think it's really just what they do is they take normal political views, which is, you know, a lot of, you know, a lot of Jewish people are just liberal in the normal sort of way.

01:10:02.000 You know, they favor more social policies, pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-trans, normal stuff to be liberal on.

01:10:09.000 But what they do is they take the fact that they disagree with middle Americans on those issues and they sort of transform it into they are anti-Semitic against us when that's just that's just not true.

01:10:22.000 And in this case, it's leading them into a recurring political failure of not seeing where the real danger to them is of groups we've brought in that actually are for real anti-Semitic anti-Israel.

01:10:36.000 Yeah.

01:10:36.000 And so that is an interesting question.

01:10:39.000 So I had a call recently with a top-level Jewish person in media who I really like, not Dennis Prague or somebody else.

01:10:46.000 And if I were to say what he said, I would be called an anti-Semite, just to be clear.

01:10:51.000 And I said, honestly, I want the truth.

01:10:54.000 Do you think that a majority of American Jews can ever move right wing? 0.99

01:10:58.000 And he said, no.

01:11:00.000 Yeah, but here's the point on what we just talked about, right?

01:11:03.000 Which is what is going to happen?

01:11:05.000 Let's just, I hate living in, you know, the what ifs, what ifs this happens, but let's just go into this.

01:11:11.000 They spend $100 million to try to take out any one of, or if all of the most awful members of Congress, right?

01:11:21.000 At AIPAC.

01:11:22.000 So let's think about this for a second.

01:11:24.000 The moderate Democrats who run APAC are spending $100 million, as you pointed out, for the right reasons to take them out.

01:11:34.000 What is going to be the result?

01:11:35.000 What is going to be the result?

01:11:37.000 None of them are going to get taken out.

01:11:39.000 Maybe one, that'll be a huge victory for them.

01:11:42.000 They're going to have to raise money to defend themselves.

01:11:44.000 Well, the squad.

01:11:46.000 No, no, no, no.

01:11:47.000 But here, my point is, is this, is that moderate Democrats, when they spend all that money to try to take them out, there's one of two things that's going to happen.

01:11:56.000 They're either going to give up and retreat and then never do it again, or they're going to get angry because it's going to become a more hostile situation between those two, and they're going to try even harder.

01:12:08.000 And then it's going to move beyond just that gang.

01:12:11.000 It's going to move beyond them.

01:12:13.000 And it's going to go into members of Congress who just pacify those members.

01:12:20.000 And then that's so.

01:12:20.000 Right.

01:12:22.000 I'm actually really hopeful that you talked about the conversion process.

01:12:27.000 Are we ever going to be in our lifetime see a predominant Republican Jewish force?

01:12:34.000 Probably not.

01:12:36.000 But is there a good chance that this could shift 20 points over the course of our lifetime because of that battle?

01:12:43.000 Because you're going to have more.

01:12:44.000 We're not going to have fewer AOCs, guys.

01:12:46.000 We're just not.

01:12:47.000 There's going to be more.

01:12:48.000 Yes.

01:12:49.000 Honestly, if the APAC wants to raise hundreds of millions of dollars for the rest of the time to fight Marxists and just like cause discord and so that they don't get, they do not get out of primaries without bruising.

01:13:04.000 Good.

01:13:05.000 That's my theory.

01:13:06.000 That's a good thing.

01:13:07.000 My theory is that that's going to happen.

01:13:09.000 No, that's great.

01:13:10.000 Out of this.

01:13:10.000 This is like your point that you brought up is exactly this is this is going to happen more and more.

01:13:15.000 If American Jews want to unite their political and cultural and financial power and say, honestly, if you're a Marxist that hates Israel, we're going to run ads. 0.73

01:13:15.000 Yeah. 0.73

01:13:25.000 You might survive, but we're going to bruise you up and bloody you up. 0.89

01:13:28.000 Honestly, that's a much better direction of resources than APAC saying, you know what?

01:13:33.000 We're going to give $100 million to Priorities Action USA or Biden's reelection.

01:13:38.000 Here's some sort of weird thing.

01:13:39.000 Will that make anti-Semitism in the U.S. worse?

01:13:43.000 Which is if they're doing this in the Democratic Party and they make it slow.

01:13:47.000 No, but that's not like the top.

01:13:50.000 That's not the Democratic Party having a problem. 0.98

01:13:53.000 It will only play into false tropes that Jews are running American politics. 0.97

01:13:59.000 Exactly.

01:13:59.000 I say false tropes media matters, but that's what you're getting at.

01:14:02.000 Yeah.

01:14:03.000 So like you'll have the future AOCs, the future Ilhan Omar, and they're going to be growing up in a political environment where like all the, you know, all of the new American majority as they are, they're all saying to each other, like, yeah, the reason we can't have, you know, single payer or any of these things that we care about is that anytime a real progressive runs in a Democratic primary, the Jews come in and like blow them up. 0.94

01:14:27.000 Yes.

01:14:27.000 I could see that trope, that, that story being one that takes root on the far left.

01:14:31.000 And it would be, it'll be very interesting.

01:14:34.000 I don't think it, I think it'd be bad for the Democratic Party and therefore good for America, but it's also bad for America in a way.

01:14:41.000 Like we don't, you know, you don't want anti-Semitism or anti-anti-anybodyism to be this rising force in American politics.

01:14:49.000 Here's a more interesting point too.

01:14:52.000 The APAC lobby, these moderate Democrats are 100% in the same car with the Chamber of Commerce types, like the National Chamber of Commerce, all of that, which is this is an interesting perspective, too.

01:15:07.000 When you talk about, you get into the unions, how the unions are becoming more attracted to the Republican Party, how there's a shift there that's happening, and the Chamber of Commerce is becoming significantly more moderate Democrat than they are becoming more moderate Republican.

01:15:27.000 And this is a big question: can you know the America first unit within the conservative movement attract enough union types of regular Americans while at the same time being able to manage the Chamber of Commerce and moderate Democrats like in APAC, the pro-Israel lobby to just attack Democrats?

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01:16:48.000 That's okay.

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01:16:51.000 The big takeaway of all this, though, guys, that I just want to reinforce, the topics that we are now able to discuss comfortably is thanks to Elon's liberation of X.

01:17:01.000 Yeah, we still on our show.

01:17:03.000 We always get these emails like, I don't trust Elon Musk.

01:17:06.000 He's going to take over.

01:17:07.000 We're so exhausted with these.

01:17:09.000 Take a win, guys.

01:17:09.000 Judge them by their fruits.

01:17:10.000 And the fruits of Elon Musk in the past year.

01:17:13.000 Take a win.

01:17:14.000 Yeah, he's done the shift in what you are allowed to say, what you're even allowed to email us, whatever, is so dramatic.

01:17:21.000 It has been so positive.

01:17:23.000 It has been everything we hoped for when he bought it.

01:17:27.000 And then people just complain, you know, he's still a Gen X guy who smokes weed. 0.67

01:17:31.000 Okay, I don't like the weed either, but this is a positive outcome.

01:17:35.000 And compared to what every other billionaire has been doing, there should be a sign you don't have to hate everybody.

01:17:41.000 Yeah.

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01:17:42.000 You're allowed to be happy.

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01:17:45.000 No, I'm not.

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01:17:47.000 All right.

01:17:47.000 Till next week, everybody, email us freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:17:50.000 I'm sure the Ben and Candace drama will continue.

01:17:53.000 We'll see if Elon is still alive a week from today.

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