00:01:20.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:03:11.000And he has an employee named Candace Owens.
00:03:16.000And they have a difference of opinion about a major issue of our time, which is a actually, I can't really tell what this difference of opinion is about.
00:03:25.000It's sort of just passive-aggressive, apparently.
00:04:01.000She's just sort of, she's kind of been like us.
00:04:03.000She's been a little critical of some of the stuff where, you know, civilians have died or they've hit churches or hospitals.
00:04:11.000And she's like worried about this, but she's not pro-Hamas.
00:04:15.000There's two things in particular that I want to get to Jack.
00:04:17.000And I say this only because I've been texted relentlessly because I defended Candace yesterday.
00:04:23.000And a lot of Jewish Americans who I love, I have a heart for the Jewish people, said, Charlie, you're out of line.
00:04:28.000I said, okay, well, what did Candace do?
00:04:29.000So this is what I don't, by the way, I don't think that their anger or their rancor is like ridiculous, like even close to being justified.
00:05:13.000It's interesting you thought that, like, it sounds like something like, you know, nerds will say on internet forums, which they, you know, you ever spend time with.
00:06:09.000Those are three or four different elements, right, of a bubbling up schism.
00:06:14.000And then we'll get to the, you know, as it stands at the recording of this, of this show, a complete civil war, whatever you want to call it, between Ben and Candace.
00:06:27.000Yeah, no, and I think she's done, and on her new podcast, you know, she had done some monologues as well where pretty similar, I would say, to what you would hear on the Charlie Kirk show or Thought Crime or Human Events or even War Room, where instead of doing this full-on like calling for donations for the IDF, we've been asking serious questions about the geopolitical implications of escalation of the crisis, the fact that U.S. bases are currently under attack, U.S. bases that are throughout the Middle East.
00:06:57.000Now, we don't necessarily agree with you as having that many bases in the Middle East.
00:07:01.000We're not saying that we promote that.
00:07:04.000We're also talking about the implications of what were to happen if Iran or any of the other proxies of the Muslim Brotherhood or Iranian-based forces start to get involved in a wider dispute and how this would kick off a potential two-front crisis while the U.S. is currently involved in the proxy war in Ukraine, which is just a complete fiasco and absolute disaster that's going on right now.
00:07:25.000And so, you know, we've also asked questions about the security posture of Israel vis-a-vis the IDF and B.B. Netanyahu prior to October 7th, asking how could such an attack, such an elaborate, sophisticated, obviously well-planned attack take place when we know that Bibi Netanyahu has always portrayed himself as sort of the, you know, the hardline security, I'm going to protect everyone candidate.
00:07:53.000This has been Likud's entire raison d'etre, their entire mantra for the past 30 years.
00:07:59.000So the idea that this happens on his watch, also something, by the way, that President Trump has called out.
00:08:04.000And to be fair, a lot of people in Israel have called out as well are really seen as failures of Netanyahu's administration and breakdowns within the Intel apparatus there, the security apparatus of the Israeli state on Netanyahu's watch.
00:08:20.000And yet, Ben Shapiro basically, and I want to be clear because there's this video.
00:08:25.000So the video that popped off is really the inciting incident, at least of this iteration of the conflict.
00:08:31.000It's not clear that this was a public event.
00:08:54.000If you're mystified by the appearance of things, it appears that Ben is Shapiro standing on some sort of object, perhaps a table, perhaps a couch, perhaps some like extremely tall Ron DeSantis heels.
00:09:09.000But we want to set the stage for that because it could be a very confusing image otherwise.
00:11:17.000There'll be people that come into our atmosphere that don't like a candidate as much as Charlie likes a candidate or I like a candidate or somebody else likes a candidate or Jack.
00:11:28.000Something Jack says on his show, something Charlie says on his show.
00:11:31.000If you go out every time and escalate a situation, you're going to ultimately just completely disassemble what you've built.
00:12:28.000You know, so you can hardly blame him for being extremely upset, except for, you know, as some people have pointed out, this is a different country, and we're very upset on our behalf, on their behalf.
00:12:38.000And that's, that's kind of been an undercurrent to this is a lot of people saying, okay, look, we understand you're very upset, but this is not the United States.
00:12:47.000So then it escalated further, which here's my, here's my theory.
00:14:02.000So anyway, the Ben then comes out of all the tweets, goes after Jack the tweet where Candace Owens tweets about blessed are the peacemakers.
00:15:52.000No, I get what you're saying in the sense of she is an employee of the Daily Wire.
00:16:00.000And I don't know the specifics of the contract or however it works out, Rev Sharing or everything, but just from the face of it, her name, her visage, her work, her profile, it's all done in furtherance of promoting the Daily Wire in the same way that here on Thought Crime, we promote it using our platforms, et cetera, et cetera.
00:16:21.000So all of the work that she's done lately for Daily Wire Plus, her great George Floyd documentary, her counter documentary to Making of a Murderer, which dropped recently, these were huge events, and they all require Daily Wire Plus signups for anyone to, and I was involved in promoting both of those.
00:16:41.000I participated in, and I was asked to by Daily Wire to promote, and I was more than happy to because I thought they were fantastic pieces of work.
00:16:47.000And so the idea that she's taking money while this and not explaining it as if it's some sort of actual mutually beneficial contract, I think it is, I think it is a little disingenuous for him to say that she's taking money from the company when that's obviously not exactly what the confines of the relationship are.
00:18:25.000The moment you bring Jesus into a debate, it is a like bar none, convo over, total offense, anti-Semitic comment because, you know, they're really offended by the fact that basically what you're trying to say by quoting anything biblical, anything Christian, is that they murdered Jesus, right?
00:18:47.000And like, this is the bigger, and this, I'm telling you, there's multiple examples of this in scripture where they've taken a scripture, completely pulled it out of context, and said, What you're trying to say with this scripture is anti-Semitic because the Jews killed Jesus.
00:19:03.000And that's like actually the deeper conversation here.
00:19:05.000Anytime you get an argument, and this is like, this is so funny to me because I've seen a couple of these examples where like Christians don't even think that way.
00:19:13.000Most Christians don't even have that many Jewish friends, especially if you're from the South, right?
00:19:18.000And like, that's just, they just don't even have any kind of context or understanding.
00:19:23.000If you're from the Northeast, you have a little bit of a better understanding.
00:19:25.000But the moment this happens, and so this is actually part of the subtext, I think, in this tweet, which is like the moment that she says something and he's paying attention, and he obviously she's been going after him, he's been going after her, whatever's been happening for weeks, months, probably years.
00:20:22.000So, I think what's going on here, and Tucker gets into this later in the interview, and a lot of it gets extrapolated out, is really that, you know, I don't necessarily think that Candace has come down and said she opposes the IDF going after Hamas or if she's, you know, pro-October 7th and the attacks on the Kibbitzes that took place there.
00:20:48.000I think what we really have here is this is a fault line for a lot of people on the right that comes down to sort of more of that America First versus heavy American interventionism.
00:21:01.000You know, some people would say neoconservative type of stripe that exists on the right in America today, in American conservatism today.
00:21:10.000Whereas an America First will look at this and say, Yeah, that's a policing action.
00:21:23.000But someone who's more on the neoconservative side, who's probably supporting Nikki Haley, who's probably supporting intervention in general, you know, not a full-on Lindsey Graham, but you guys know what I mean.
00:21:35.000You know, they're saying we need to send more money to Israel.
00:21:38.000We need to send bombs, bullets, weapons, whatever it needs, whatever we have to get into.
00:21:44.000You saw Ron DeSantis getting into this, and I'm not trying to make it political, but Ron DeSantis jumped onto this train at one point.
00:21:50.000And his spokesman tried to claim that they were sending weapons somehow, this weird, you know, conflated, and it was totally debunked, by the way.
00:21:59.000But they tried to claim that Ron DeSantis and the administration of Florida were sending weapons and body armor to Israel to fight Hamas.
00:22:08.000And I think a lot of people, Tucker included, are looking at it and saying, look, you know, that's their fight.
00:22:14.000Why don't you have the same type of emotional response when it comes to the American people?
00:22:20.000And Tucker makes the point about fentanyl.
00:22:22.000He says, why don't we see this type of emotional response when it comes to the fentanyl deaths?
00:22:27.000When it comes to Candace talks about wounded warriors, you could also get into the 22 American veteran suicides per day.
00:22:35.000We just don't see that same level of emotional response from our American political leaders, who, by the way, are supposed to be on the right when it comes to the American people when it comes to, and this falls, keep in mind, this comes in line after the 18 months, almost two years now of the Ukraine war, where we saw our politicians were so all in the tank for we've got to fight Ukraine.
00:23:06.000So I think we've set this all up, and now we get to the real hammer thing, which is you were saying she set this up, but she got Ben to attack her, you know, six-day war style just before the Tucker interview drops.
00:23:17.000But the Tucker interview is recorded before the latest stuff.
00:23:21.000So were you thinking that she set that up because then it makes everything she says in the interview work better?
00:23:27.000No, I mean, again, no, the sequence is just this: Ben's tweet about Candace resigning was because he got a tip that Candace is in Tucker's interview was coming and he was involved in an interview and he wanted to play offense calling for her resignation and not be totally caught on his heels.
00:23:46.000That is, Jack, you agree at that, right?
00:23:50.000Well, I'll just say that the way I read that is probably because, and I'm sorry, but you know, and nothing but, and I'm not trying to like start anything, but we remember all the contract disputes at the Daily Wire that came out with the Crowder situation.
00:24:07.000And Crowder had that fantastic scoop with the Nashville manifesto.
00:24:11.000And so I have to imagine, and Candace, by the way, went full to bat for the Daily Wire with Invention.
00:24:33.000But again, this is to your point, Charlie, you know, stuff that should be handled behind closed doors, not out in public.
00:24:39.000I have to imagine that Candace is obviously under a contract that's of similar terms.
00:24:44.000And as such, if the Daily Wire, whether it's Ben, whether it's somebody else, no longer wants her to be there anymore, I'm sure, look, we all know Candace.
00:25:21.000It's too expensive for them to get rid of her.
00:25:23.000It would also cause too many problems.
00:25:25.000So, of course, Ben comes out and says, why don't you just quit?
00:25:28.000And the thing that I've just got a little bit of nagging thought in the back of my head is, you know, is that something that potentially he wants in that moment is for her to walk away so he doesn't have to.
00:25:39.000Oh, I think he totally wants her to resign.
00:28:39.000And then there's a bigger issue here, too, which is like he's talking about when you employ someone, it doesn't matter who it is, but certainly one of your most highly paid, most valuable employees.
00:28:51.000Like you're giving yourself a lot of problems, Charlie, when you're going out and talking about basically employee issues, telling people to quit.
00:29:03.000And again, I don't know how their contract's structured exactly and everything else, but like you're like, he's setting himself up for like a long-term multi-million dollar fight.
00:29:47.000He is not making the dedication to the Daily Wire.
00:29:49.000And I do want to make it very clear because people are like, how could you possibly save Daily Wire after this?
00:29:54.000I have a very good relationship with the co-CEOs, The Daily Wire.
00:29:57.000I don't want that video to become a reflection of how the Daily Wire works and the Daily Wire operates because I have had a very good experience with the CEOs and, you know, love Michael Knowles, love Matt Walsh, Andrew Claven.
00:30:50.000So I guess this will help set up the next topic, too, which I think a lot of people could guess what the next thing will be, which is, you know, so it starts off as this fight between Candace and Tucker, but it's also becoming symbolic for, I think, a larger thought crime dispute that is happening in the wake of the new Gaza war, which is, let me see which number it is because our numbers are a bit jumbled up.
00:31:17.000Well, Tucker also said something similar in his interview too.
00:31:20.000It's kind of this all of a sudden ADL's on defense.
00:31:24.000Yeah, they're on defense, but specifically it's as we've highlighted, which is a lot of people have jumbled up their opinions because of this recent conflict.
00:31:32.000They've realized a lot of people on the left hate us.
00:32:13.000On what grounds were you okay with that?
00:32:15.000And this is what I've been trying to explain to the pro-Israel lobby that what you are seeing is lack of support is people that are asking the question is where were you?
00:32:43.000Candace said the smartest thing here, which is I have received not hundreds, dozens of really well-meaning messages and calls from Jews saying, why is the right not standing with Israel?
00:32:54.000I'm like, honestly, guys, where were you when all the white people were called for death?
00:32:59.000Like, where were you when the University of Chicago said we need to have a class against whiteness, right?
00:33:04.000I mean, no, I mean, a lot of like liberal Jews were funding this stuff, and we've said that on this show.
00:33:10.000And so excuse us while we're a little bit less, I mean, like, again, we're supporting Israel, but like when our enthusiasm wanes, when I don't know, like white people have been, it's been in vogue to kill us.
00:33:23.000Yeah, it's, I mean, we have like people will go on these like, you know, stabbing frenzies or, you know, they'll, they'll shoot cops.
00:33:30.000And it's very clearly driven by, you know, this like vocal, like kind of deranged anti-white animus in the media, which is institutionalized.
00:33:42.000I do think, you know, you can pull that back and say, you know, even if they didn't realize it till now, you know, to quote another Bible verse, you know, it's like you pay the same wage to the laborer, even if he only comes in in the afternoon.
00:33:53.000And, you know, it's good if they realize it through this lens.
00:33:56.000But there is definitely frustration from, you know, Tucker shows it and a lot of other people are showing it that, yeah, it's like, you know, you didn't see what was extremely obvious until this new incident.
00:34:10.000And a lot of people are upset about that.
00:34:14.000Whether it's fair or whether that means you shouldn't, you know, it should change how you feel about this current issue.
00:34:19.000I think that can be debated, of course.
00:34:21.000But it's definitely a very jarring evolution to see.
00:34:25.000And you're seeing a lot more vocal criticism of, I guess, of Israel and how people feel about it than certainly than I have ever remember in my lifetime.
00:34:35.000And then there's also this moral expectation of you must now fight for Israel.
00:34:48.000But then we're like, well, one time out, guys.
00:34:49.000I mean, weren't you also just simultaneously on board for the Floyd stuff, the CRT stuff, you know, and now you want us to come into the arena?
00:35:00.000And I just dropped in the chat about how some of America's biggest corporate leaders are like, meanwhile, while all this is going on, right?
00:35:07.000And any distraction that's going to take place in the media is going to happen.
00:35:12.000The biggest corporate leaders in America are applauding the CCP in San Francisco.
00:35:20.000I think that's the very important element in how we frame this and talk about this is, hey, if none of these other things, these other problems that you've allowed to Have grown, then maybe people would have a lot more energy to be able to do that.
00:35:38.000But we're fighting a multifaceted war here where you've allowed for the anti-white rhetoric and the burning down of our cities to exist.
00:35:47.000You have now allowed the CCP into our country where they're literally, again, and many of these leaders of these corporations are Jewish, by the way.
00:36:06.000So, how about getting on our side a little bit more?
00:36:08.000How about many prominent leaders in the Jewish community recognizing that you have more friends in the Republican sphere and the conservative sphere than you do on the Democrat side?
00:36:40.000So obviously, we have the fight between Ben and Candace, but the same time this is happening, literally these same minutes we're texting back and forth about both.
00:36:49.000There's, you know, Musk is, Elon Musk is on Twitter all the time, or X, I guess we should be respectful to his new name.
00:38:36.000I'm just saying cinematically, objectively, that's powerfully done.
00:38:39.000So what people got angry about is they thought this fueled what's kind of a trope in the media, if you want to use that term, which is, you know, it's like this, you know, it's this white dad and his white kid, like very normal American, and, you know, kind of mainstreaming the idea that, like, oh, yeah, the source of anti-Semitism in American life is, you know, normie Americans who love Hitler and want to do the second Holocaust.
00:39:06.000And, you know, people saying, like, no, the source of, you know, most anti-Semitism and especially the most violent, deranged anti-Semitism is, you know, a lot of, you know, groups that we've brought into America recently that have been coddled by the left, you know, the Ilhans Omar of the world, the Rashida's Talib of the world.
00:39:26.000And like, that's the actual source of anti-Semitism in American life, especially the people who are going to do something really vicious.
00:39:32.000You know, the people who are throwing rocks and vandalizing synagogues and all of that.
00:39:38.000And instead, they sort of direct it again at the safe target, which is just normal Americans who in reality are just no one has ever been more pro-Jewish and pro-Israel than just the normal American white middle class.
00:39:56.000So I want to know after that ad how many more Googles of Hitler was right are going to be afterwards.
00:40:04.000And the follow-up ad, which was there were 140,000.
00:40:27.000So some guy I've never heard of, breaking bot, the artist formerly known as Eric, he tweets this.
00:40:34.000Okay, Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.
00:41:04.000Okay, so the point is, this guy is essentially tweeting that Jewish groups have stoked anti-white hatred rather than put the focus on, as he says, I think hordes of minorities who have been brought into the U.S. who have actual more anti-Semitic views.
00:41:21.000And then all that happens is Musk replies, you have said the actual truth.
00:41:27.000So this tweet that he said the actual truth is the following that Jewish people have done what?
00:41:33.000That they have pushed dialectical hatred against whites.
00:41:37.000Okay, so that is largely true, isn't it?
00:41:40.000Well, so dialectical hatred is sort of like a weird buzzword.
00:41:44.000That's sort of saying they have this like Halmudic drive towards hating whites, I think, which that's kind of a weird take.
00:41:52.000But I think the basic idea that there are, especially on the left, like the ADL, that there have been publicly overtly Jewish organizations that have promoted left-wing stuff that favors like open borders for the United States while also.
00:42:10.000So I think what Elon was focusing on here to defend Elon, because I mean, I wouldn't say that every Jewish person hates white people.
00:42:21.000Well, I don't know what Elon will have to defend himself, but I do think that it's fair to say, hold on a second, their major institutions funded by Jewish people, colleges and nonprofits, have been the biggest sponsors intellectually and politically of the importation of the third world into the West and of anti-white sentiments.
00:42:42.000Well, I was just going to say real quick: in corporations, right?
00:42:44.000And then also the large Jewish populations that have a responsibility to protect their own community and to stand against this type of stuff, where this is happening in their cities where there are larger Jewish populations as well.
00:42:57.000New York, Philadelphia, a lot in the Northeast.
00:43:00.000Well, and so, Jack, I mean, just for example, BLM is a great example of this, right?
00:43:55.000This was created by the guy, the Canadian Professor Gad said, who said that Roscos from Arkansas have from the river to the sea tattooed on their forehead.
00:44:06.000And I responded to him saying, I don't think it's Roscos from Arkansas that are marching in these pro-Palestine, pro-Hamas marches across the West, storming Westminster Abbey, by the way, last night, GA.
00:44:21.000And then he blocked me for saying that.
00:44:27.000And so, what I think Elon is pointing out here is that there is a sort of cognitive dissonance because they're attacking a group, which, by the way, by and large, probably when you're talking about the South and the Midwest, that's a lot of evangelicals, a lot of the Southern Baptist Convention.
00:44:44.000This is a very pro-Israel, like probably the most pro-Israel group in America.
00:44:50.000And just in general, these are also salt of the earth people.
00:44:53.000They're not the ones that you should be worried about.
00:44:55.000But unfortunately, it is the people that we've been importing into this country.
00:44:59.000And probably, and Trump, of course, has been out there saying we should look at deportations, canceling visas.
00:45:04.000Many people have all studies are also coming out now saying that a lot of the organizers of these events actually are here on student visas or otherwise some sort of temporary visa to the United States.
00:45:16.000And so we should be looking at pulling those things because we are actually importing people into our, and let's just say civilization that are not part of it, that don't share our values, and that are actually for attacking it and the things that we hold dear.
00:45:43.000We just saw, and this is, again, to refocus this, forget even the people from outside the country who are coming into this country via our university systems and getting visas to attend that have all of these really radical viewpoints that support an anti-Jewish state.
00:46:01.000Here is the bigger issue: like you look at ASU the other night.
00:46:04.000We have had some really incredible student leaders that we've supported through Turning Point USA that have defended against BDS for years.
00:46:15.000This last week at Arizona State University, Swing State, Arizona, Arizona State University, there is a push to pass a BDS resolution, which hasn't been passed in like 10 years, mainly because of what's going on.
00:46:29.000Outside the windows, when the student body president gets up and says, We're not doing this, everyone go home, which was a great, great kid, great move.
00:46:47.000Those are white, ultra-liberal, ultra-Marxist kids who have been completely indoctrinated through the universities at these mega state-funded university campuses here in the United States.
00:47:02.000And so you have to look at this and go, you look at the Soviet mantra, the CCP mantra.
00:47:42.000Anyway, I don't know who this person is, but about Western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country don't exactly.
00:48:13.000But if Elon is saying the truthful part is that Jewish donors have primarily turned a blind eye to anti-white, anti-Western stuff to support elitist institutions.
00:48:29.000Like, you were mad for years that these groups were like funding all of this stuff while you're like, guys, it's all going to blow up in your face.
00:48:52.000So now we have to talk about the fire because we don't really know what Elon's talking about here because he kind of does follow-up tweets that make it a very clear thread.
00:49:02.000So he talks about, if you have it, Jack, go ahead and bring it up.
00:49:05.000Otherwise, I'll try to race to bring it up here.
00:49:08.000Because he does some follow-up tweets that just clarify that he's talking about the ADL as opposed to other stuff.
00:49:20.000So again, they're saying it's anti-Semitic and all this.
00:49:22.000And I just, the part of the paragraph that I think is 100% true, Jewish communities have been pushing the exact type of, forget this dialectical, you're being too cute by half men.
00:50:28.000He talks a bit more and then there's another reply that he does.
00:50:31.000Again, at the risk of being repetitive, I am deeply offended by ADL's messaging and any other groups who push de facto anti-white racism or anti-Asian racism or racism of any kind.
00:50:48.000And in the midst of this, God bless him for saying in the midst of all this, he replies to another tweet where he says, when people talk about decolonization, they mean destroying like the Jewish state.
00:50:58.000And that's, they mean a Jewish genocide.
00:51:01.000And so he's just very much this guy in the middle saying, like, I don't like anti-Semitism and I don't like anti-white racism or anti-Asian racism.
00:52:02.000Yeah, and it's almost as if, you know.
00:52:04.000Well, Yare Rosenberg has been obsessed with Musk for months.
00:52:06.000So he had another headline all the way back in when criticizing George Soros is not inherently anti-Semitic, but casting him as an avatar of evil is.
00:52:17.000Wait, so George Soros funds all of the woke stuff that has led to the most amount of anti-Semitism in America that we've had probably since, you know, pre-1940.
00:52:30.000And they can't take, this is the awakening that's happening in the back dark closets of newsrooms right now, which is like, holy crap, we're like losing ground now with Jews.
00:52:58.000Because that's the only way they can survive is when they don't have to worry about when you look at how they have to chase their votes and everything else.
00:53:14.000And what I think is the bigger takeaway, again, because I've reread that tweet now for the sixth time, I wish Elon would have picked a different tweet because it's not that smart.
00:53:23.000It is some good, some bad, is that the world's richest man is identifying anti-white racism and anti-Asian racism as a moral cancer.
00:53:34.000Jack, that's an overton window win that literally during Floyd Apalooza, during the race riots, if you would have told us three years later, the wealthiest man on the planet would be talking about anti-white racism.
00:53:50.000Jack, you and I together, we were on an island on that with very few allies, right?
00:53:55.000In the calendar year of 2020, talking about the war on white people, you know, black squares.
00:54:01.000And now the world's wealthiest man is saying, by the way, this is a moral toxin.
00:54:43.000It's absolutely enormous, the fact that people are now able, and now, and again, people will say, well, these are, you know, these are controversial takes.
00:54:50.000People are just being more controversial.
00:54:52.000I disagree because when we're talking about freedom of speech, when the founders, you know, not to get all like boomer con on everybody, but when the founders were talking about freedom of political speech, they obviously meant things that were not politically correct to say, but may actually be true.
00:55:07.000And so Elon, he's the kind of guy, because he has this sort of engineering mind, this engineering background.
00:55:14.000You know, he just wants to solve the problem.
00:55:16.000He doesn't care about all the, you know, the shibblots in between.
00:55:37.000So he's laser focused on something like that.
00:55:40.000And when you have that type of mind and you look and then someone else comes to you and says, oh, well, we need to make sure that we have this quotient and this quotient.
00:55:49.000You know, Trump mentions the word, used the word vermin the other day, and some somehow it's immediately connected to Hitler when it's obviously just a word that kind of popped into his mouth because he was talking about people that he viewed as pests, right?
00:56:12.000The whole thing is ridiculous on its face, and it always has been.
00:56:16.000So the fact that Elon bought X, which I don't think is something that anyone, Elon included, could have actually predicted prior to it actually happening, I would say not only has been an unmitigated force for good in the world, it's also driven us towards, number one, more freedom, which, by the way, is driving peace in the world.
00:56:57.000Even if today the FBI came in and shut down all of X, what has already been accomplished, the ideas that are now allowed to get out there is already significantly enriched our discourse.
00:57:40.000And they're like so, and it's exposing how political it is that they're so obsessed with taking Musk down because he brought free speech back, that he's had these successful companies, that he's sort of not on the, you know, on the Democratic, you know, they can't keep him on their plantation, as it were.
00:57:59.000And so they're, you know, they've been obsessed for months with taking him down.
00:58:05.000And so they're seizing on this so immediately.
00:58:08.000You know, Jake Tapper comes out, Yar Rosberg comes out, and they're like, they're screaming anti-Semitism at him.
00:58:13.000So it's immediate, yeah, and on Drudge.
00:58:16.000And so it's immediately exposing that this is just a weaponized political attack on him.
00:58:22.000And then it's going to, I think, cause a wider realization of this.
00:58:26.000And then also, you know, as far as donors matter, Elon Musk is the richest man in the world.
00:58:30.000He has a ton of friends who are also billionaires.
00:58:34.000I think in the small, much smaller social world of ultra-rich Americans who are invested in politics, I think this is going to cause a major revision in how a lot of them maybe view the elite Democrat media establishment, both in terms of seeing the hostility they can bring against you, how they don't share your interests, the threat that they can be to you.
00:58:56.000And yeah, maybe if they destroy Musk, they can sort of terrorize these people into quiet, into publicly acquiescing.
00:59:04.000I think behind the scenes, there's going to be a lot more wealthy Americans who are very opposed to this.
00:59:14.000No, I was going to actually ask you something because there's a point that you made recently.
00:59:18.000It's a trend I would say that you identified that I think actually is playing out here.
00:59:23.000Do you think that this is an example of, by the way, Blake, you mentioned, you know, Jewish people that Elon's friends, very close friends with David Sachs.
00:59:31.000They're clearly, you know, work together very, very closely.
01:01:47.000And so anyway, the point is this, is that Elon Musk, in some ways, is almost pushing back against institutional boomer norms.
01:01:57.000And that's what's really driving this is that, you know, him even signaling this out is, I had a boomer come up to me and not a great donor we just had an amazing lunch with, really amazing guy.
01:02:09.000People get so mad when we when we talk this.
01:02:49.000He was like, I don't understand how you guys are able to talk about this.
01:02:54.000He's like, I'm afraid that I'm playing into some trope.
01:02:56.000And he said, if I would have said what you guys say now, he's like, I would have lost my job, been canceled, censored, and kicked out to the curb.
01:03:05.000Elon is kind of looking at boomer norms.
01:03:06.000It's like, nah, not going to do that, Blake.
01:03:10.000So it's just another dimension of this, which is so APAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a major lobby group in the US, very pro-Israel, of course.
01:03:20.000And they've sort of, it's recently been revealed that they're gearing up to spend $100 million in the 2024 congressional races.
01:03:29.000And their objective is to knock out the so-called members of the squad.
01:04:01.000And I think it's very telling that that's their priority, that they're sort of, they're thinking, okay, there's this bubbling up of anti-Israel sentiment in the Democratic Party, but like, no, the Democratic Party, that's our party.
01:04:13.000We're just going to, you know, have a really highly paid challenger and they'll knock these people off and we'll be fine.
01:04:20.000And I think what they'll find is this is going to be a lot harder than they expect.
01:04:23.000They're going to be, I think, very surprised by how little enthusiasm there is in these hyper-blue districts for this sort of priority for knocking these people out.
01:04:33.000And so they'll be caught off guard by that.
01:04:36.000And even if they win, they'll just see more of this bubbling up because this is the trend in the Democratic Party.
01:04:41.000But they would rather do this than just, I think, accept what is most obvious, which is the most naturally pro-Jewish population in America is just the right.
01:04:59.000So the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, APAC, is going to spend $100 million to go after AOC, Elon Omar, Jamal Bowman, Ayanna Presley, some other black woman that I don't know, probably a lesbian, Rashida Talib, and then another black woman, Ayanna Presley.
01:05:36.000But I guess the question is, would you rather see APAC spend $100 million on the ADL or say, hey, we're going to go primary Marjorie Taylor Greene?
01:06:16.000And when we lose, the worst, right, is when they're able to stack up their resources and attack nothing but Republicans.
01:06:26.000You have to, and this is really interesting.
01:06:28.000This is a really interesting point that we have to remind conservatives of all the time, is it's all directional.
01:06:33.000Like you can't turn the ship, right, like that quickly on things.
01:06:38.000And so having attacks happen, Democrat on Democrat attacks happen, we need to lean into that, encourage that, help that, because that's exactly the core, the heartbeat of the problem.
01:06:51.000And remember that we grow more with if as long as we're prepared, right?
01:06:56.000With the right resources, the right armies, our own preparation to actually support the right people, do the right thing and get more, gain more conservative ground.
01:07:07.000But heading into 2024, this is really bad for Democrats because you already have vote splitting and ticket splitting happening with potentially our friend in West Virginia being out.
01:07:19.000You have Kirsten Sinema here in Arizona.
01:07:22.000You've got, you know, the RFK Jr., I know, we're divided on our opinion on that stuff.
01:07:30.000You've got the Green Party nomination here.
01:07:35.000So you've already got so much splitting, so much resource redirection.
01:07:40.000And now the question is, it's really to me, Charlie, and this, I think this piggybacks on this conversation, which is not so much, are Democrats going to attack each other and how much, but how prepared are we going to be to take advantage of that situation?
01:07:54.000And so I just, having spent time around APAC, to be honest, and I've been around there, you know, Tyler, I think you have too, right?
01:08:10.000So Blake, it's not the best use, but isn't it better that Jewish Democrats are going to go deploy money to go at least cause a headache and havoc amongst who we consider to be some of the least desirable political creatures in America?
01:08:34.000It's, I do think it would be better if they would just recognize that the Democratic Party has become and is going to continue to become something very hostile to their interests.
01:08:48.000And I think it's sort of a recurring issue.
01:08:51.000You know, 20 years ago, so you might not remember this, but about around 2004, Philip Roth, a pretty famous American novelist, wrote a book, The Plot Against America.
01:09:01.000The plot of the book is that it's an alt history novel where Charles Lindbergh wins the 1940 presidential election.
01:09:08.000And on the back of this wave of anti-Semitism in America emanating from Kentucky and the Dakotas and Middle America, that we kind of have an almost Holocaust in America and we like align with Nazi Germany.
01:09:21.000And the book is fundamentally pretty deranged because the premise of it is, again, that there's this huge reserve of Nazi-style anti-Semitism in middle America that if not for FDR, it all would have bubbled up and it could have all been so horrible.
01:09:35.000And that doesn't accord with historical reality.
01:09:39.000Like that's just not where anti-Semitism even was in America at the time.
01:09:44.000And we're seeing it manifest today where, you know, we have these people who worry about the Roscos who are supposedly going to do all this bad stuff.
01:09:52.000And I think it's really just what they do is they take normal political views, which is, you know, a lot of, you know, a lot of Jewish people are just liberal in the normal sort of way.
01:10:02.000You know, they favor more social policies, pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-trans, normal stuff to be liberal on.
01:10:09.000But what they do is they take the fact that they disagree with middle Americans on those issues and they sort of transform it into they are anti-Semitic against us when that's just that's just not true.
01:10:22.000And in this case, it's leading them into a recurring political failure of not seeing where the real danger to them is of groups we've brought in that actually are for real anti-Semitic anti-Israel.
01:11:47.000But here, my point is, is this, is that moderate Democrats, when they spend all that money to try to take them out, there's one of two things that's going to happen.
01:11:56.000They're either going to give up and retreat and then never do it again, or they're going to get angry because it's going to become a more hostile situation between those two, and they're going to try even harder.
01:12:08.000And then it's going to move beyond just that gang.
01:12:49.000Honestly, if the APAC wants to raise hundreds of millions of dollars for the rest of the time to fight Marxists and just like cause discord and so that they don't get, they do not get out of primaries without bruising.
01:13:10.000This is like your point that you brought up is exactly this is this is going to happen more and more.
01:13:15.000If American Jews want to unite their political and cultural and financial power and say, honestly, if you're a Marxist that hates Israel, we're going to run ads.
01:14:03.000So like you'll have the future AOCs, the future Ilhan Omar, and they're going to be growing up in a political environment where like all the, you know, all of the new American majority as they are, they're all saying to each other, like, yeah, the reason we can't have, you know, single payer or any of these things that we care about is that anytime a real progressive runs in a Democratic primary, the Jews come in and like blow them up.
01:14:52.000The APAC lobby, these moderate Democrats are 100% in the same car with the Chamber of Commerce types, like the National Chamber of Commerce, all of that, which is this is an interesting perspective, too.
01:15:07.000When you talk about, you get into the unions, how the unions are becoming more attracted to the Republican Party, how there's a shift there that's happening, and the Chamber of Commerce is becoming significantly more moderate Democrat than they are becoming more moderate Republican.
01:15:27.000And this is a big question: can you know the America first unit within the conservative movement attract enough union types of regular Americans while at the same time being able to manage the Chamber of Commerce and moderate Democrats like in APAC, the pro-Israel lobby to just attack Democrats?
01:15:49.000I want to tell everyone about Noble Gold Investments really quick.
01:16:51.000The big takeaway of all this, though, guys, that I just want to reinforce, the topics that we are now able to discuss comfortably is thanks to Elon's liberation of X.