The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 22 — Canceling Candace?, Air Force vs. Conservatives?

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00:03:35.000 Happy Thanksgiving week of Thought Crimes.

00:03:38.000 Honored to be with all of you.

00:03:40.000 I'm here at Calvary Chapel Signal Hill with my great friend Pastor James Cadiz speaking tonight.

00:03:46.000 And joining me are my co-conspirators.

00:03:49.000 We have Jack Pesobic, who just saw the Napoleon film, and he's going to be reviewing it.

00:03:58.000 Yes, thanks.

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00:03:59.000 Okay.

00:03:59.000 That topic's done.

00:04:00.000 Never have to say it again.

00:04:02.000 And Blake Neff, who is Blake Neff, who is deciding to spend Thanksgiving in Krakow, Poland, totally normal.

00:04:12.000 And that's not a joke, by the way.

00:04:14.000 He leaves for Krakow tomorrow, which I think is hilarious.

00:04:17.000 And Tyler Boyer, who is the most viral member of the Turning Point team today.

00:04:26.000 And this is the following story.

00:04:28.000 The U.S. Air Force is publicly warning personnel against attending a Patriot rally event in North Dakota because an alt-right member of Turning Point Action would be at the event.

00:04:37.000 The warning said, quote, participation with groups such as Turning Point Action could jeopardize continued service in the U.S. military.

00:04:44.000 Tyler Boyer, explain yourself.

00:04:47.000 Yeah, I mean, it was kind of a low-key.

00:04:50.000 I mean, every one of us here has been to a tea party meeting or two in our time, right?

00:04:54.000 In our day?

00:04:56.000 Blake especially, right?

00:04:57.000 Yeah, probably.

00:04:58.000 Blake used to run a tea party.

00:04:59.000 I mean, I've also been to normal tea parties, of course.

00:05:03.000 And that's pretty much what this was.

00:05:04.000 This was like this is the conservatives that exist within Dakota.

00:05:10.000 And I don't know if you know Bergham, who's running, still for president.

00:05:15.000 I don't know why.

00:05:16.000 He's still running.

00:05:17.000 He could become president.

00:05:18.000 Everybody, if all the other candidates were to die and it was too late to add anyone else to the ballot, I suppose he could become president.

00:05:27.000 So Bergham's running is from North Dakota.

00:05:30.000 He's the governor of North Dakota.

00:05:32.000 All these people hate him.

00:05:34.000 He's the conservative.

00:05:35.000 This is the conservative group that's trying to protect all the conservatives in the legislature there.

00:05:40.000 So they invited me to speak.

00:05:41.000 It was like 500 people.

00:05:43.000 It was a great event, barbecue.

00:05:45.000 They raffled off guns.

00:05:46.000 Normal tea party stuff, right?

00:05:48.000 So the events already happened.

00:05:50.000 Yeah.

00:05:50.000 And so I show up, I speak, and then afterwards I get blown up with all these messages from people, friends that are in the military and in the Air Force.

00:05:58.000 They're like, did you see this?

00:05:59.000 This is like everywhere.

00:06:01.000 And it was like telling everybody to like avoid us because we are all right or something.

00:06:06.000 I'm all right.

00:06:06.000 That was an all-right speaker at this event.

00:06:08.000 And yeah, and that was it.

00:06:10.000 And like, I actually texted Charlie right after.

00:06:12.000 I was like, I think this is going to be big.

00:06:14.000 He's like, oh, it's like a little event in North Dakota.

00:06:17.000 I don't think it's going to go that big.

00:06:18.000 And then all of a sudden, like, I'm in the dentist today this morning.

00:06:21.000 And like, it was going crazy.

00:06:22.000 So.

00:06:23.000 So why did you accept hatred into your heart?

00:06:26.000 Why did you embrace extremism?

00:06:27.000 Why did you become a domestic terrorist?

00:06:30.000 Because your dentist was all right as well.

00:06:32.000 Is that something that a dentist does? 0.68

00:06:35.000 Do you have a racist dentist?

00:06:37.000 My dentist is Middle Eastern. 0.97

00:06:40.000 So he's definitely racist then. 0.64

00:06:41.000 So probably.

00:06:42.000 He's kind of.

00:06:43.000 I was going to say, yeah, so probably.

00:06:45.000 So yeah, I mean, that was it.

00:06:47.000 And then like these, these people, like the nicest people ever, good conservatives.

00:06:51.000 They're like kicking butt up in North Dakota, really pushing back against Bergham, who's done, right?

00:06:57.000 Like these toasts.

00:06:59.000 And yeah, they just, they came out of them.

00:07:01.000 They're like, this is crazy because Minot, North Dakota, it's like literally on the border of Canada.

00:07:08.000 It's in the middle of nowhere.

00:07:09.000 They have an Air Force base there.

00:07:12.000 And like 98% of them are probably like super conservative.

00:07:16.000 Well, we can't assume that anymore because it's the U.S. military.

00:07:19.000 So, you know, some of them might have joined to get taxpayer-funded mastectomies or something like that.

00:07:24.000 Probably.

00:07:24.000 That's probably it.

00:07:25.000 That's probably a solid.

00:07:26.000 So I want to get this straight.

00:07:28.000 So the U.S. military essentially said that their members were banned from hearing Tyler speak because he had committed too many thought crimes.

00:07:39.000 And that if they went to hear Tyler speak, which I mean, admittedly, probably isn't the best use of anyone's time to begin with.

00:07:47.000 But if they went to go to listen to you speak, that it would jeopardize their military career.

00:07:53.000 The same U.S. Air Force, by the way, that just crashed a P-8 into the ocean off the coast of Hawaii.

00:08:01.000 That Air Force.

00:08:02.000 That Air Force.

00:08:03.000 Yes.

00:08:05.000 But we're going to have to change the logo of the show because we've got those kind of artsy outlines of Charlie and Jack.

00:08:05.000 Same exact Air Force.

00:08:12.000 But now Tyler is the actual thought criminal.

00:08:14.000 I'm the criminal.

00:08:15.000 I'm the criminal.

00:08:16.000 I didn't think I was going to make it across the border.

00:08:17.000 We're out of the dark horse candidate here.

00:08:19.000 We thought, you know, Tyler's the guy in the background.

00:08:21.000 Tyler's the guy who...

00:08:23.000 I thought they were going to stop me at the airport, honestly, in North Dakota.

00:08:25.000 You might never be able to leave this state again.

00:08:27.000 You might.

00:08:28.000 If you go to the DOJ, J6, Attorney General's office.

00:08:33.000 Now we got the U.S. Air Force.

00:08:35.000 I mean, we're just stacking them up, right?

00:08:37.000 So, I mean, you know, we have our, you know, our terrorist suspect list, people who can't enter the United States.

00:08:42.000 You might be on the list of every other country.

00:08:45.000 So you can't leave the United States.

00:08:47.000 You can't board a plane.

00:08:49.000 One of the guys that's one of our influencers at Turning Point, like our ambassadors, was like, Tyler's like this really nice dad from Arizona.

00:08:57.000 What is the Air Force afraid of?

00:08:58.000 Like, like a dad from Arizona.

00:09:00.000 Like, right, yeah.

00:09:01.000 Yeah, well, when Charlie's the when Charlie's the governor of Arizona, hopefully he'll have some swing to be able to get you off the list, buddy.

00:09:09.000 Yeah, I mean, I might need to be.

00:09:11.000 We'll need swing to keep you from swinging.

00:09:14.000 I might need someone to commute my sentence.

00:09:16.000 Whoa, whoa, I'm not the Mormon around here.

00:09:16.000 Yeah.

00:09:18.000 Yeah.

00:09:19.000 So, I mean, so it wasn't that, it wasn't that crazy anything, but it is the bigger thing that's crazy is that they're tracking turning point action.

00:09:28.000 And all we do is register voters and recruit precinct committeemen and precinct captains.

00:09:33.000 That's like all we're doing.

00:09:35.000 And you have all these groups.

00:09:36.000 Like, this is what's so crazy.

00:09:37.000 This is what people have to be aware of right now that's happening out there.

00:09:41.000 There's not very many conservative groups that do this stuff, right?

00:09:43.000 Like, Charlie knows.

00:09:45.000 Like, we're the only, we're like one of the only ones that do it.

00:09:48.000 The left has hundreds of organizations that do this.

00:09:51.000 Hundreds.

00:09:52.000 Like, each state has 50 to 100 of these organizations.

00:09:56.000 And they're literally trying to prevent and doing everything that they possibly can to make sure that we don't do this work, which tells you that we're like right over the target, I guess.

00:10:05.000 And to get into the bigger thought crime issue of this, it's that this is so obviously going to be the ramification of, you know, back in 2021, just after January 6th, there was that military standdown order where they all got the speech that, you know, the military members of the military aren't allowed to join extremist groups and they're going to be tougher on this.

00:10:24.000 And it took us, okay, 28 months or so for that to just turn into, oh, you can't, you can't join turning.

00:10:31.000 You can't listen to someone from Turning Point Action speak.

00:10:33.000 Well, actually, even before then, if you remember when they were bringing the National Guard members into, like in like the week of January 6th, when they declared that the National Guard Guardsmen were going to be coming into DC, they occupied DC for a period of months, all the way up through, I think it was March or May of 2021.

00:10:53.000 I just remember the barbed wire being all around the Capitol, troops marching up and down the square, like it's a Monty Python sketch or something, but fully armed, you know, Humvees everywhere.

00:11:04.000 And I remember them saying they wanted to, because the Democrats in Congress in Pelosi were saying, oh, we need to be sure that these troops are loyal.

00:11:13.000 So they said, okay, we're going to start going through their Facebook pages and going through their Facebook likes.

00:11:18.000 And inside the Pentagon, one of some of the things they were targeting were like the Gadsen flag, if you were a member of any pages that used that or if you had posted that.

00:11:27.000 They were looking at MAGA hats.

00:11:29.000 They were looking if you had liked or interacted with NRA content.

00:11:32.000 And one of the other pieces on Facebook was whether or not you liked or were a follower of Turning Point USA.

00:11:41.000 Well, I will say this.

00:11:43.000 I think that the people, MyNot, the few liberals that exist in Minot, North Dakota, they were My Not.

00:11:50.000 My Not.

00:11:51.000 My Not?

00:11:51.000 Why not?

00:11:52.000 That's what I learned.

00:11:53.000 My knot.

00:11:53.000 Not Minot.

00:11:54.000 Minot.

00:11:54.000 Okay, why not?

00:11:55.000 That's where they have the state fair is for North Dakota.

00:11:59.000 Anyways, that's where we were at.

00:12:00.000 We were at the state.

00:12:01.000 I think they thought that this is like the only big public building in Minot probably is the state fair, you know, whatever, the building that we were in.

00:12:09.000 I think they maybe thought this was like the liberals thought this was like their capital riot opportunity.

00:12:15.000 So they're trying to, you know, you know, if you look at the old if you look at the old Soviet or the old estimates the U.S. military did of what would get hit in a nuclear exchange with the Soviet Union, you know, Minot's got an Air Force base and it's got all the ICBMs there.

00:12:29.000 So if you look at the map, you know, they lobbed a couple nukes at New York and then they dropped about 500 nuclear weapons on Minot, North Dakota, and it basically just obliterates the state.

00:12:39.000 And so really they were just anticipating that you might be there.

00:12:42.000 That was it.

00:12:43.000 And that's that's why it had to be destroyed.

00:12:46.000 So, Charlie, what does this really let's let's wrap this up because I know we have other stuff we're going to get to, but Charlie, I know you covered this on the show today, but but give us your take after you've had some time to think about this.

00:12:57.000 What does it mean that, you know, Tyler Boyer and the just Turning Point Enterprise are now being treated this way by our military?

00:13:06.000 And the fact that, by the way, I believe there's been some senators that have responded to this.

00:13:11.000 Yeah, I mean, honestly, I'm really proud of Tyler that he's finally joining the gang as he's on the list.

00:13:16.000 So I've been on the list, Charlie.

00:13:21.000 You put me on the list a long time ago.

00:13:23.000 I'm very proud of him.

00:13:24.000 I got to be honest.

00:13:25.000 I saw this.

00:13:26.000 I said, this is really good.

00:13:28.000 This is what we do at Turning Point.

00:13:29.000 We create new influencers and voices.

00:13:33.000 And when I said, wow, you know, when I'm just spending a weekend in Phoenix, we can get the Department of Defense fired up over Tyler.

00:13:40.000 I said, that's really amazing.

00:13:41.000 I said, we barbecue.

00:13:43.000 It really was great.

00:13:44.000 No, I'm very proud of him.

00:13:46.000 And by the way, it's about the work we're doing.

00:13:48.000 A lot of dimensions here.

00:13:51.000 It's clear that the Department of Defense is declaring war on us.

00:13:54.000 It probably was somebody at the high level of the Department of Defense that doesn't understand Turning Point, and they're going to pay for this.

00:14:00.000 There's going to be hearings.

00:14:02.000 We're going to find out: is there a written policy with the Department of Defense?

00:14:05.000 We're entertaining lawsuits.

00:14:06.000 The law is very clear.

00:14:07.000 Precedent is very clear.

00:14:09.000 And by the way, some people are misinterpreting this intentionally.

00:14:11.000 They say, oh, well, you can't, when you're in uniform, go to certain events.

00:14:17.000 They know those rules.

00:14:17.000 That's not what this is.

00:14:19.000 They know those rules.

00:14:20.000 That's not what we're talking about here.

00:14:21.000 We're talking about on private time, off duty.

00:14:24.000 This is about getting removed from rank, getting removed from the military based on terrorist type activity.

00:14:33.000 And so this is completely different.

00:14:35.000 But yeah, look, the big takeaway that I think we need to get drilled down to is how widespread is this happening?

00:14:42.000 This has struck a chord because it's the military.

00:14:44.000 And of all places, the military should be welcoming of pro-American type ideas.

00:14:49.000 By the way, who's actually staffing the military?

00:14:51.000 It used to be the people staffing the military were primarily conservative, center-right, patriotic.

00:14:57.000 Not anymore.

00:14:58.000 I mean, it's changing rapidly, unfortunately.

00:15:01.000 And that's why recruitment is going down so dramatically and so intensely.

00:15:06.000 And so, look, there's a lot of takeaways here.

00:15:08.000 We're going to be pursuing legal action, and we very well might be going to Minot, North Dakota, sometime soon to go do an event.

00:15:17.000 I'm not going to put up with this.

00:15:20.000 I've been encouraged.

00:15:21.000 I've been encouraged by the response by Republicans.

00:15:27.000 It's been pretty good.

00:15:28.000 Hopefully, I mean, Corey Mills wants me to come testify.

00:15:32.000 I would love to testify next to John Kirby and Jake Sullivan in an armed services committee.

00:15:40.000 Jack, do you think that would be fun?

00:15:42.000 I think that would be amazing because Jake Sullivan would spend the entire time like wiping that comb over that he has.

00:15:49.000 And so he'd be like trying to stick it up the entire time on his head.

00:15:52.000 Please, Charlie, please don't bring up Rushigate.

00:15:54.000 Please don't bring up the dossier that I helped get to the FBI during the 2016 election.

00:15:59.000 Please don't let anyone know that I was the direct cutout between the Hillary campaign and James Comey.

00:16:05.000 Please don't bring up any of those things.

00:16:07.000 And then, and then Kirby.

00:16:09.000 I mean, the guy is just completely lost up there.

00:16:13.000 I mean, you talk about a guy, like some people at least, you know, you can give them credit because they're good at spin, they're good at running angles, they're good at tap dancing. 1.00

00:16:21.000 He's just an idiot. 1.00

00:16:23.000 I mean, Kirby is just an absolute idiot, and he's been an idiot since Afghanistan, since the fall of Afghanistan, and our grotesque pull out of there. 1.00

00:16:32.000 And I think, Charlie, you would just be kind of running absolute, absolute rings around them. 1.00

00:16:37.000 So, I guess for a good, a good AmFest warm-up, you could go and absolutely destroy these guys down at the U.S. House.

00:16:46.000 But I'd also love to say that since we are live for once, just throw out if anyone is from North Dakota, let us know in the comments.

00:16:53.000 Would you like us to come up there?

00:16:55.000 Would you like us to do an event, do a live thought crime?

00:16:57.000 Let us know.

00:16:59.000 Yeah, and to add to that, I know that we have some lag issues and the team is doing great navigating those.

00:17:04.000 I would love to just ask some basic constitutional trivia of our armed forces.

00:17:10.000 And Jack, you hit it perfectly.

00:17:11.000 Look, I mean, military mistakes happen, but they're certainly mounting lately, aren't they?

00:17:17.000 There's a lot of military mistakes happening, training exercises and blunders.

00:17:21.000 When they prioritize the intimate movements of the rank and file to can't go to hear Tyler Boyer, then we got some serious problems.

00:17:34.000 I mean, I'm sorry.

00:17:35.000 I just, I will say it again.

00:17:37.000 Been working with Tyler for nine years.

00:17:39.000 It'll be nine years in January.

00:17:41.000 The funny part is like people are like, he's on the RNC.

00:17:43.000 Like, I'm literally on the RNC.

00:17:45.000 Like, it's not like, it's not like this is like a Charlottesville type, you know, really.

00:17:51.000 So you're just saying the RNC is an alt-right organization.

00:17:54.000 The RNC is all right.

00:17:55.000 Maybe we misjudged.

00:17:57.000 You know, maybe there's a lot.

00:17:59.000 Maybe we misjudged.

00:18:00.000 The RNC is that right wing.

00:18:02.000 Maybe.

00:18:04.000 You guys are not allowed to talk about what Rana does at the, you know, the secret meetings of the 168.

00:18:09.000 Now that's, you know, with the hoods and the torches.

00:18:11.000 You know, that's going to get about it a little bit, right?

00:18:15.000 Yeah.

00:18:15.000 I mean, it was in the Nixon tapes.

00:18:16.000 He talked about the Bohemian Grove of it.

00:18:19.000 Yeah.

00:18:19.000 I mean, maybe we shouldn't have done the tiki torches leading into the North Dakota rally.

00:18:24.000 Maybe next time.

00:18:27.000 Tyler, come on.

00:18:28.000 Look, you don't have to wear all-white golf shirts, khaki shorts.

00:18:32.000 Come on, it's winter to begin with.

00:18:34.000 North Dakota, it's a little, I don't know.

00:18:36.000 Yeah, it was a little some bad choices were made.

00:18:43.000 Let's get to our next story: canceling Candace Blake.

00:18:49.000 I think you are perfect to drive this.

00:18:51.000 All right.

00:18:52.000 Yeah, sure thing, Charlie.

00:18:53.000 So here, you guys can, if you guys want to bring it up on our screen, we can show everyone the article.

00:18:58.000 So this is published in Front Page Magazine.

00:19:02.000 So there's an organization, the David Horowitz Freedom Center.

00:19:05.000 David Horowitz was a progressive who later moved to the right, set up the David Horowitz Freedom Center to promote conservative ideals.

00:19:13.000 And they notably are one of the places that Candace got her start.

00:19:18.000 She was invited to an event of theirs.

00:19:21.000 I believe that is, in fact, where she met you, Charlie.

00:19:24.000 And then she worked with Turning Point, became a big star, and has been around ever since.

00:19:30.000 But obviously, we talked last week about her little TI with Ben Shapiro, some of the stuff she'd said on Twitter, Now X, and some people are taking it badly.

00:19:41.000 And the David Horowitz Freedom Center is among them.

00:19:44.000 So they published this piece, Goodbye Candace.

00:19:48.000 And they suggest that Candace is complicit in bringing about, I am not making this up, a second Holocaust. 0.58

00:19:56.000 I'll just read the quote because it's remarkable. 0.96

00:19:58.000 The David Horowitz Freedom Center wishes to express its deep disappointment with Candace's ignorant, hateful, and morally obtuse remarks about Israel and the Jews. 0.96

00:20:11.000 But of course, it's not just about the Jews. 0.99

00:20:14.000 The Jews are the canaries in the mine. 1.00

00:20:16.000 The West is next, and America above all. 1.00

00:20:20.000 It's one thing to have been alive in the 30s and not realized where the Nazis were headed.

00:20:26.000 It is quite another to be alive during a 75-year campaign by Islamic jihadis to finish the job that Hitler started and to fail to stand against their open campaign to create a second Holocaust. 0.94

00:20:40.000 So that escalated quickly.

00:20:45.000 So, yeah, I mean, I'm friends with everyone involved.

00:20:47.000 I'm really close with David.

00:20:48.000 I actually think I wrote either an intro or a dedication of David's book.

00:20:52.000 And David's been really good to me.

00:20:53.000 And obviously, I mean, I talk to Candace almost every single day, and I think really highly of her.

00:20:59.000 This exposes the fault line that we saw coming.

00:21:01.000 And I want Jack to riff on this, but let me kind of segue here.

00:21:05.000 Because we saw this kind of fault line growing, which is the Israel issue is breaking the left, but it's simultaneously also not breaking the right, but it's not helping.

00:21:16.000 And it's exposing some of these lines.

00:21:20.000 And I mean, I'll let David speak for himself and the Freedom Center.

00:21:23.000 They've been really good to me.

00:21:24.000 And if people can agree or disagree or go back at it, I think some of that is very charged language.

00:21:28.000 And Candace, I think, at least in my estimation, has deserved better than that.

00:21:32.000 But there's a lot of personal things underlying there.

00:21:36.000 But I will say this.

00:21:39.000 Friendships are being ruined over this.

00:21:41.000 And I think as an onlooker, it's a tragedy.

00:21:44.000 It's a reality, but it's a tragedy.

00:21:46.000 I have not seen this heated discussion.

00:21:50.000 I thought the primary is what was going to divide right-wing politics in 2023.

00:21:54.000 I think Jack agrees.

00:21:55.000 Jack has been basically a belligerent in the dividing of the right.

00:22:02.000 And I didn't start that.

00:22:04.000 All Jack is trying to do is add a, you must be this tall to go on the ride for the GOP.

00:22:12.000 I am a Napoleon defender.

00:22:14.000 I'm on Team Jack 100%, but Jack has definitely been involved in the primary wars.

00:22:19.000 And he's been awfully effective.

00:22:20.000 I mean, he's winning and they're losing.

00:22:22.000 But I think we would all agree that we thought 2023 was going to be the year where the right was divided over DeSantis v. Trump and Nikki Haley v. DeSantis.

00:22:34.000 And it looked that way.

00:22:35.000 I mean, remember in the spring and the early summer how nasty the influencer wars were?

00:22:39.000 I mean, some of these articles that were being written and the tweets and the exposés, I mean, it was nasty.

00:22:45.000 I can now say that the Israel issue has reached a whole nother level.

00:22:52.000 And this is an example of it.

00:22:53.000 I was there at the David Horitz Freedom Center.

00:22:55.000 It's where I met Candace.

00:22:56.000 It's where I offered her a job.

00:22:58.000 I just spoke at David's deal last year, and I think what he's done to the movement is incredible.

00:23:03.000 I think what Candace is doing for the movement is incredible and super.

00:23:07.000 So I'm friends with both of them, and I'll remain friends with both of them.

00:23:10.000 And they both hate the left, and they're going to keep fighting the left.

00:23:12.000 I do think that there is a part that kind of the straw that broke the camel's back that isn't included in this article, which is Candace's discussion with Professor Finkelstein from Princeton, who got in a huge dispute with Alan Dershowitz years ago, accusing him of plagiarism, and is one of the most hated intellectuals in pro-Israel circles.

00:23:35.000 And Candace had him on the show.

00:23:38.000 And I think that's probably what set off the David Horitz Freedom Center, in addition to many other things.

00:23:42.000 But I'm just speculating with that.

00:23:43.000 But Jack, can you riff on this for a second?

00:23:46.000 You know, having stating that we're friends with people on both sides and reiterating that, and clearly, I think we can also look at this, you know, from a 35,000-foot view.

00:23:55.000 We thought that the DeSantis Trump primary was going to be the bloody, glorious English Civil War revolution.

00:24:04.000 We were wrong.

00:24:04.000 Out of left field, you know, the most deadly day of Jewish killing since the Holocaust, 1,500 Jews, and the reaction that came from it is actually what is dividing the right.

00:24:16.000 It is very fascinating.

00:24:17.000 Jack, how should we think about this?

00:24:19.000 Yeah, it's really amazing reading this.

00:24:22.000 David Horowitz and I first met almost 20 years ago.

00:24:27.000 So I'm showing my age there a little bit, but it was when I was in college.

00:24:31.000 And it would have been, yeah, but it would have been 18 years ago when we first met.

00:24:36.000 That's when we were doing Students for Academic Freedom when I was the college Republican chairman at Temple University.

00:24:42.000 And we actually sued because Temple is a public related school.

00:24:47.000 We were able to sue our teachers basically in open Pennsylvania legislature.

00:24:55.000 We brought members of the state legislature.

00:24:57.000 And keep in mind, this is before Twitter, before social media even existed.

00:25:00.000 The blogosphere was still a thing.

00:25:03.000 Rush Limbaugh dominated the airwaves.

00:25:06.000 This was the conservative movement back then.

00:25:08.000 This is even pre-Tea Party.

00:25:09.000 So it's almost a pre-Tea Party kind of grassroots activism that really I consider David to have been a mentor, someone I looked up to and still do look up to very much, but I just mean for all these years.

00:25:22.000 And then, of course, going to the events, volunteering at many of the events, the restoration weekends, going back just years, over a decade, almost two decades at this point.

00:25:32.000 And so everybody at the Freedom Center knows how much I love them and how much I care about their work.

00:25:36.000 And I just, I think, though, that when we create these types of firing squads, these circular firing squads about cancellation, right?

00:25:45.000 And canceling people because we have a disagreement over a specific issue.

00:25:51.000 And it's interesting to me, I guess what I would say is what is to ask people, what is the specific policy of Candace's that she has iterated or promoted or stood for that you disagree with?

00:26:07.000 Because when it comes to just, okay, tracking down Hamas, wiping them out, getting them off the map, turning Hamas into Hummus, turning him into Pico de Gaio like Suleimani, I don't really see much disagreement there. 0.94

00:26:20.000 But, you know, this has been one of the huge things.

00:26:23.000 And of course, we talked about this last week, but the idea that we're going to cancel Candace over this because people don't like her tone.

00:26:31.000 People don't like, and that's really what it comes down to. 0.96

00:26:33.000 It's tone policing and concern trolling. 0.97

00:26:35.000 This idea that Candace isn't allowed to do the same thing she does to every single other issue that she looks at, whether it be Ukraine, whether it be vaccines, whether it be BLM. 0.99

00:26:45.000 She says she asks pointed questions.

00:26:48.000 She wants to figure out what's going on.

00:26:51.000 She wants serious answers and she refuses to go along with emotional arguments.

00:26:56.000 That's the Candace Owens that I know.

00:26:58.000 That's the Candace Owens that I see present herself to every single issue that she's ever gone after.

00:27:04.000 And so I don't think, and obviously with great passion, because, I mean, it's Candace after all, right?

00:27:08.000 So I don't think that she's really changed her stripes here in any way.

00:27:14.000 It's just that, you know, it's just that this issue, and obviously coming on the heels of such a horrific attack, I think for a lot of people, it's very emotional.

00:27:22.000 There's a lot of, you know, emotions are high, passions are high.

00:27:25.000 But I do think that it just doesn't make sense that we're going to, you know, go around and start shooting people inside our own tent over politically.

00:27:34.000 And I think it's great, by the way, and I'll just throw it out there.

00:27:37.000 Said this on Twitter, but I think it's great that on the same day that we saw people calling for Candace to be canceled, a lot of conservatives that I look up to shared this article, echoed these sentiments.

00:27:48.000 And I went and looked, and it's all over at the Turning Point America Fest site.

00:27:51.000 Candace's name was still there, was still featured prominently.

00:27:54.000 I think the top row, a little slightly higher than mine, but that's probably because her name is just a little shorter.

00:27:59.000 That's the only reason.

00:28:00.000 And I thought it was great the Turning Point was sticking with her for this event the same way that they stuck with her throughout all the years.

00:28:08.000 100%.

00:28:09.000 By the way, we're not going to back.

00:28:11.000 Are you kidding me?

00:28:12.000 I mean, Candace is, she's on our team.

00:28:15.000 She's the best, right? 0.72

00:28:16.000 I mean, we're on Team Candace, and I'm also, you know, I'm on Team Freedom Center too, but you know, I got a text message from some lunatic.

00:28:24.000 Charlie, why do you have her still speak at an Amfest?

00:28:26.000 I said, lose my number. 0.87

00:28:27.000 I said, lose my number.

00:28:28.000 Wow.

00:28:29.000 I said, you obviously haven't been through the Charlie, Tyler remembers, the Charlie Candace thing.

00:28:36.000 I mean, from I, I, I never thought you were married.

00:28:41.000 They thought you were rumor, Charlie.

00:28:43.000 They were like, are they buried?

00:28:45.000 Rumor?

00:28:46.000 It was, it was like, by the way, we said that got me unsubstantiated internet rumor.

00:28:51.000 Yeah, that's not true.

00:28:52.000 Not true, but it's not true.

00:28:55.000 I'm remembering some choice memes that I definitely don't have saved on my backup hard drives.

00:29:01.000 I disagree with Jack.

00:29:02.000 Can I take a moment to Jack?

00:29:05.000 I disagree with Jack.

00:29:06.000 She's not higher than him on the graphic because her name's shorter.

00:29:11.000 She's higher than him on the graphic because he's a white male. 0.52

00:29:14.000 Wow.

00:29:15.000 Wow.

00:29:15.000 Racism.

00:29:16.000 Racism at turn.

00:29:17.000 I mean, we have.

00:29:18.000 You know what?

00:29:18.000 Maybe Tyler is.

00:29:19.000 Blake did that.

00:29:20.000 Blake was the one.

00:29:20.000 Tyler is all right after all.

00:29:23.000 Wait, no, no.

00:29:24.000 White males.

00:29:25.000 I'm woke.

00:29:27.000 This is the world.

00:29:29.000 Yeah, we're the anti-racist.

00:29:30.000 I'm trying to make up for my not.

00:29:33.000 All right.

00:29:33.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:29:34.000 Okay.

00:29:34.000 Well, we'll accept the new you, Tyler.

00:29:36.000 We're a forgiving organization.

00:29:38.000 Unlike all the people, I'm looking at it all around.

00:29:40.000 There's so much insane stuff being published here.

00:29:45.000 So on National Review, Jay Nordlinger is blogging at the corner, their blog, and he just has his rundown of different things.

00:29:52.000 And his response to, I think Charlie was right.

00:29:54.000 It was the Finkelstein interview that really set people off.

00:29:57.000 He replies to this.

00:30:00.000 He links the video on Twitter and he says, This was inevitable, written in stone.

00:30:06.000 And where there's Finkelstein, David Irving can't be far behind.

00:30:11.000 They have long gone together like peas and carrots, or choose your simile.

00:30:16.000 David Irving, for those who don't know, is a Holocaust revisionist.

00:30:20.000 So he believes the Holocaust. 0.77

00:30:22.000 I don't know exactly what he says.

00:30:23.000 Either it didn't happen or they all died of disease or it was all fake.

00:30:25.000 So basically a Holocaust denier.

00:30:27.000 And so he's saying that Candace is quickly on her way to just saying the Holocaust didn't happen, which again is we're jumping to these very wild things.

00:30:37.000 Was he the guy who said that like NATO was going to be like the world police and that they were going to be the sort of enforcing the new world government?

00:30:49.000 That's David Icke.

00:30:50.000 No, that's David Icke.

00:30:51.000 Yeah, no.

00:30:52.000 David Irving, as far as I know, is mostly just known for the hollow hoax stuff.

00:30:57.000 And yeah, okay, if Candace starts doing Holocaust denial, okay, that would be alarm bells, but she hasn't.

00:31:02.000 And that's what they're doing here: we have multiple allegations of just trying to make Candace Owens adjacent to Holocaust denial.

00:31:10.000 And, you know, Norm Finkelstein, okay, yeah, he's a liberal.

00:31:14.000 He has had spats with a lot of people, you know, we're friendly with.

00:31:17.000 He's very not popular with, you know, a lot of pro-Israel people.

00:31:21.000 But, okay, like, you know, as someone on Twitter I saw mentioned, Candace Owens interviewing Norman Finkelstein.

00:31:30.000 What's next?

00:31:30.000 Tucker Carlson interviewing Glenn Greenwald, which he already has.

00:31:34.000 If anyone doesn't know, Len Greenwald is also a critic of Israel and sympathetic towards Palestine.

00:31:40.000 And again, much like Finkelstein, he's Jewish.

00:31:43.000 Like those people, these people exist.

00:31:45.000 You know, Jews are on the entire ideological spectrum, even on Israel-Palestine.

00:31:52.000 And it's just, I feel like what's going on here is just people have really, it's unsettling that the last month, two months, people just have sort of lost their minds over this issue.

00:32:05.000 They're kind of willfully psyching themselves up into these extremely wild takes.

00:32:10.000 They want to be extremely angry.

00:32:12.000 And I worry that, you know, it's damaging the movement.

00:32:15.000 And it's a lot like the primaries where people get very attached to either, you know, they're still for Trump or they decide they're in the tank for DeSantis or they're the vec mania or they're, you know, the five people who supported Mike Pence or the, you know, one person who supported Doug Bergham, assuming anyone in his, did anyone in his family support him?

00:32:34.000 Hopefully someone did.

00:32:36.000 But, you know, people get all amped up about the primary and then they decide like, oh, the people very close to them ideologically are actually the biggest enemies and they need to be taken out.

00:32:46.000 And we're doing this over now this Israel-Palestine conflict, this Gaza war, which one might be over soon.

00:32:53.000 They're apparently negotiating a ceasefire right now.

00:32:56.000 And it's in a different country.

00:32:59.000 And overall, like, you know, yes, the terrorist attack is very bad, but it is already in the past at this point.

00:33:05.000 So it is something that is not ongoing.

00:33:07.000 It is something that is in a foreign country.

00:33:09.000 And we're using this as a reason to justify, like, oh, Candace Owens has to be expelled from the movement because she is leading us towards the second Holocaust. 0.81

00:33:18.000 And I would urge everyone to take a deep breath and, you know, realize that sounds insane.

00:33:26.000 Does that sound insane to anyone else?

00:33:32.000 Yeah, I mean, that's language I wouldn't use.

00:33:34.000 And that's not helpful.

00:33:36.000 But it's, I mean, this is the issue is, and I was trying to get here with Jack.

00:33:42.000 Jack, this is not an isolated example of that type of language.

00:33:46.000 We're seeing this thrown around on Twitter.

00:33:49.000 I mean, relationships and friendships that have been built up for years, the right is fracturing over.

00:33:55.000 Is it not?

00:33:57.000 Well, Charlie, I think that's exactly right because, you know, I'll, you know, I'll just say that I had, I don't want to bring up private stuff, but I had dinner earlier this week with a guy who's been involved with one of the primaries that's, you know, not a, on the Trump campaign.

00:34:16.000 And it's like, I didn't care.

00:34:19.000 We didn't talk about it, right?

00:34:20.000 We just went on with our lives and went on with our friendship in the real world because we're not going to go and burn down relationships over things like that.

00:34:31.000 I actually talk to people on all the primary campaigns all the time.

00:34:34.000 I've got friends with them, the ones that have like real campaigns, not like the fake ones, like Chris Christie and others, because I've got friends that are supportive of all different parts of the right.

00:34:45.000 And sure, there's been a lot of online stuff, a lot of online back and forth.

00:34:49.000 But at the end of the day, when people are serious, you just don't do that.

00:34:54.000 When it comes to this, though, I found people very willing to burn down relationships that they've had for a long time over.

00:35:04.000 And when it comes down to it, Charlie, that's what really gets me is because can anybody point to something that Candace said that is so horrific, so disastrous that she should be completely excised and excommunicated from the movement, that we should cut all off.

00:35:24.000 Okay, in the Church of Scientology, they have this concept of declaring someone a suppressive person.

00:35:30.000 Blake, I'm betting that you've heard of this one.

00:35:34.000 A little bit, a little bit, but you should probably elaborate on before I do.

00:35:38.000 Okay.

00:35:39.000 When someone is declared a suppressive person, that means they possess a distinct set of characteristics and mental attitudes that cause them to suppress the other people in their vicinity.

00:35:51.000 And this is called antisocial.

00:35:53.000 It's calculated to be disastrous against them.

00:35:55.000 And so when someone is labeled this, it's like an official label that's given by the Church of Scientology to, say, a family member or a friend.

00:36:04.000 That means that every single other member of the church, even if they're your own family, even if they're your immediate family, must cut off contact with you both publicly and privately.

00:36:16.000 You must shun this person.

00:36:17.000 You must disavow this person.

00:36:19.000 Like who's the one?

00:36:20.000 Leah Raimini, she does the, you know, she left Scientology. 0.97

00:36:24.000 So she would be declared a suppressive person.

00:36:26.000 None of the people that she knew in Scientology that are still involved with it are declared are able to even communicate with her anymore, including immediate family.

00:36:34.000 This is what they're trying to do to Candace.

00:36:36.000 And I haven't seen a single thing she said that's been racist, that's been xenophobic, that's been, you know, evil.

00:36:44.000 That's been, you could say there's stuff that you disagree with.

00:36:46.000 That's fine.

00:36:47.000 But shouldn't that be what free speech is all about?

00:36:50.000 The other takeaway here is I would like everyone to exhaust private speech before public speech.

00:36:58.000 This was my big issue with Ben Shapiro.

00:37:00.000 Don't you guys have each other's phone numbers?

00:37:03.000 I don't understand this.

00:37:05.000 Just pick up the phone.

00:37:08.000 Tyler, please.

00:37:09.000 Sorry, I was just going to say, Charlie, you're 100% right.

00:37:12.000 This is like the number one problem in the conservative movement in general and the Republican Party.

00:37:16.000 It's like, guys, before you start going on like Fox and like railing against people, it's like, why don't you pick up the phone?

00:37:23.000 Like, I totally, I totally appreciate when like things get too far and like you've exhausted all avenues and whatever.

00:37:30.000 And things have to be said because the movement deserves it.

00:37:34.000 But like, it's like, dude, like you don't need to get in front of crowds of people and like donors and other people and like, you know, hit your own team, especially if you employ the person.

00:37:47.000 Like, I don't, I will never understand this about this situation.

00:37:52.000 It's one thing to have disagreements within the movement, within the party, with women, whatever.

00:37:57.000 But how do you like have this problem in your own organization?

00:38:02.000 I just don't get it.

00:38:03.000 I don't understand that.

00:38:05.000 You know, you should be trying to find every avenue possible to try to resolve these issues.

00:38:10.000 It's crazy.

00:38:12.000 So come to AmericaFest, everybody, amfest.com, where Candace Owens will be there and Dennis Prager will be there and Tucker Carlson and Patrick Bett David.

00:38:23.000 I just have to brag on our team.

00:38:25.000 One day I'll be able to tell you the difficulties we had around this particular event and some of the restrictions for the very careful observer.

00:38:35.000 You'll notice that there's a certain type of speaker that isn't there that was there in years past, but I'm not going to say what.

00:38:40.000 But the ability of our team to capture what I think is the best lineup we've ever had at a Turning Point Action Turning Point USA event.

00:38:49.000 Vivek Ramaswamy, Steve Bennett, Donald Trump Jr., Kimberly Guilfoyle, Josh Hawley, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gates, Mike Lindell, Corey Mills, and Alina Haba with Turning Point Action.

00:38:58.000 Tyler is the maestro conductor of that.

00:39:02.000 That will be the Sunday program and more to be announced.

00:39:05.000 On Turning Point USA, which is bookending the action deal, is Tucker Carlson, Patrick Bett David, which he doesn't do a lot of events, everybody.

00:39:14.000 Patrick Bette David, if there is a stock to buy, I'll tell you what, that guy's stock is ascendant, isn't it, Jack?

00:39:20.000 That guy is getting clipped more than almost anybody I've seen in a long time.

00:39:24.000 He's terrific.

00:39:26.000 Are you in a fight with Patrick Beck David too, Jack?

00:39:28.000 Am I unaware of this?

00:39:30.000 Do you what is this like?

00:39:31.000 I'm in a fight with everybody just because I'm gonna fight with one guy who's on the entire panel.

00:39:36.000 Suddenly, it's like, oh, Pozo's in a fight with everybody.

00:39:39.000 He's in a fight with Patrick Bitt David.

00:39:41.000 He's in a fight with Roger Steve.

00:39:43.000 He's in a fight with whoever is a fight.

00:39:45.000 No, they come at Pozo, and Pozozo doesn't take shots on gold.

00:39:48.000 Pozo only wins goals.

00:39:50.000 Pozo only scores goals.

00:39:51.000 That's all you ever going to get.

00:39:53.000 I don't play games, folks.

00:39:54.000 I win them.

00:39:55.000 Jack, please never refer yourself in the third person.

00:39:57.000 Okay, it's very weird.

00:39:59.000 I kind of liked it.

00:40:01.000 No, Kirk isn't going to do this.

00:40:03.000 Kirk isn't going to let that happen on Kirk's podcast.

00:40:05.000 No, no.

00:40:07.000 There is a great Seinfeld episode about that.

00:40:12.000 It was George is doing this, and George is doing it.

00:40:15.000 George is angry.

00:40:16.000 George is angry.

00:40:20.000 Candace Owens, Glenn Beck, Rob Schneider, Roseanne Barr, Dennis Prager, Alley Bethsucki, James O'Keefe, Riley Gaines, Ben Carson, Jason Whitlock.

00:40:27.000 I'll get to the other one in a second.

00:40:29.000 Brandon Tatum, Seth Dillon, Benny Johnson, Yan Mee Park, Michael Seifert, James Lindsay, John Amanchuku, John Benzinger, Pastor Rob McCoy, Lean Munsell, Eric Metaxas, and then Jack Psobic and Gad Saad will be wrestling in mud.

00:40:43.000 Is it going to be white mud?

00:40:45.000 Is it going to be, or are we talking like the ice cream kind of mud sort of stuff? 0.95

00:40:48.000 Because I've got allergies and I want to make sure.

00:40:52.000 That's a good segue.

00:40:53.000 Is that the next topic?

00:40:54.000 Is Jack versus Gad?

00:40:56.000 Is that the one, Blake, or no?

00:40:58.000 Wait, we actually have a much better topic, but I think we have to do our read first.

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00:42:16.000 It was Jimmy.

00:42:16.000 That's right.

00:42:17.000 That's right.

00:42:18.000 It was Jimmy is bad.

00:42:20.000 Jimmy scored a goal.

00:42:21.000 Jimmy is playing.

00:42:22.000 Jimmy is this.

00:42:23.000 That's right.

00:42:24.000 I remember.

00:42:25.000 Blake, what is our next topic?

00:42:27.000 This is a great one.

00:42:28.000 So as we all know, a big historical movie came out this week.

00:42:32.000 It's Napoleon.

00:42:33.000 Apparently, it's terrible.

00:42:34.000 So we're not going to say anything more about that.

00:42:35.000 Instead, we're going to look ahead to the next historical movie that will disappoint us.

00:42:40.000 And that is they have announced that at Netflix, they're going to be making a movie about the famous Carthaginian general Hannibal, Dane of the Roman Republic.

00:42:50.000 And it's going to star Denzel Washington.

00:42:52.000 It's been a project that's been in development hell, I think, for about 20 years now.

00:42:57.000 So the actual General Hannibal was about 30 when he took on Rome.

00:43:01.000 Denzel Washington is like twice that more, actually.

00:43:05.000 But he's still going to play Hannibal.

00:43:07.000 Whatever.

00:43:08.000 And so, you know, maybe the movie will be good.

00:43:11.000 Maybe it'll be bad.

00:43:12.000 But there's an interesting thing about this, which is, well, Denzel Washington is black, of course.

00:43:18.000 And so they're going to be portraying Hannibal as African.

00:43:22.000 And so this is Carthage is in modern Tunisia.

00:43:27.000 Is in Africa, but the Carthaginians themselves were actually, they probably would have looked, kind of would have looked like Israelis to us or Middle Easterners.

00:43:35.000 They were Phoenicians. 1.00

00:43:37.000 Their homeland was in kind of modern Lebanon.

00:43:41.000 And they built all these colonies across the Middle East. 0.66

00:43:43.000 They had a maritime empire, and they're the ones who fought Rome.

00:43:46.000 But now they're going to be portrayed as fully African, which is kind of a common argument people have made.

00:43:55.000 Kind of much like how they argued that the Egyptian pharaohs may have been African and the pyramids were built by black Africans.

00:44:03.000 And this pairs with another...

00:44:05.000 Yeah, and this pairs with another story that also came out this week.

00:44:11.000 There is a wild story from the British broadcasting company in the once free nation of Great Britain.

00:44:18.000 This headline is, it really has to be heard to be believed.

00:44:21.000 Black women most likely to die in medieval plague, Museum of London says.

00:44:28.000 And so this is no joke.

00:44:30.000 Some researchers at the Museum of London dug up some skeletons from a medieval grave and they started measuring the skulls exactly like you would do in like 1800s, you know, kind of what we would call like racist pseudoscience today, where they just measure skulls and kind of derive racial traits from this.

00:44:50.000 And that's always bad.

00:44:51.000 You're not supposed to do that except if you're doing it to say that white people are bad, which is what they were doing here. 0.91

00:44:56.000 So they measured these skulls of people who died in the Black Death in about 1350. 0.94

00:45:03.000 And they said, based on these skull measurements, we think that these skeletons are of black people.

00:45:12.000 And then they said, black people were proportionally more likely to have died in this cemetery that is for plague victims.

00:45:21.000 And so we believe that black people were more likely to die in 1300s London than white people from the Black Death, the bubonic plague, because of systemic racism in 1300s England.

00:45:36.000 Now, a few contextual things here before we dig into it.

00:45:40.000 One, in 1350, the Portuguese hadn't even gotten past the Sahara yet, so we did not have the ability to sail to Central Africa where sub-Saharan Africans live. 0.86

00:45:53.000 There are really no sources on Africans being in London at this time.

00:45:57.000 I'm sure one might have popped up as a novelty, but they seem to be arguing that London was about 8 to 10% black like it is today.

00:46:05.000 And then I guess they just all disappeared. 0.97

00:46:07.000 Perhaps the Black Death killed them.

00:46:09.000 And that's why London didn't have any of them from 1400 until the 20th century.

00:46:15.000 And so that's what the BBC is writing about.

00:46:19.000 That systemic racism is what killed medieval British diversity.

00:46:22.000 And otherwise they would have been exactly as diverse as today.

00:46:27.000 But no more.

00:46:28.000 And so I guess the big picture is, well, I don't know.

00:46:32.000 You guys tell me.

00:46:32.000 It seems like we're going to, we have this trend of taking historical figures and making them black, which we don't ever really do.

00:46:39.000 I mean, we certainly don't ever allow that today in the opposite direction.

00:46:43.000 I think if you made a biopic where Frederick Douglass was paid by Keanu Reeves or something, people would get pretty angry about it.

00:46:51.000 And also, I just don't think you'd have people going around measuring skulls in any context other than arguing that medieval London was full of racism.

00:47:01.000 Well, so this is the thing for me: it's not even the, you know, the Denzel, Hannibal, et cetera, piece, because this is a huge meme, of course, right, for Netflix, that every time Netflix does a biopic, they always have to race swap it to do this sort of like woke casting.

00:47:17.000 And so you have to pay the woke total to get on Netflix.

00:47:20.000 And so the original setup for this was that you had to include like some LGBT content, even if it was shoehorned in, even it had nothing to do with the plot whatsoever.

00:47:30.000 There had to be some sort of woke toll that was paid on any Netflix.

00:47:35.000 And then, of course, the casting of it has really turned into this meme.

00:47:40.000 And so it seems as though they're playing into that very same trope that Netflix, they're just leaning into the meme, basically, that Netflix wants to go ahead and make this for everybody.

00:47:50.000 But I guess what's more interesting to me isn't so much the fact that they're doing it, but the fact that even in the UK, especially when it comes to VVC, and especially when it comes to their dramas, their history, their news,

00:48:04.000 there's like this article that came out today about the Black Plague, that it seems like they're going through this huge push where they're trying to, you know, revamp their history to make it quote unquote equitable or more in line with what today's demographics are.

00:48:22.000 And you didn't see that for the longest time in any historical perspective.

00:48:28.000 I would argue, though, that one of the first places that we saw that was the musical Hamilton, where they went in and race swapped all of the founding fathers and decided to make them, you know, not British.

00:48:39.000 And then Emmanuel Miranda's, what, like, Puerto Rican and all these different things.

00:48:44.000 And I remember getting into discussions with people at the time.

00:48:48.000 I think it was what, 2014, 2015 when that came out.

00:48:51.000 And I was like, okay, why are we doing this?

00:48:55.000 They're obviously British.

00:48:56.000 And they said, well, that makes it more equitable for the people who live there now to be able to feel that they've got a strong tie into the past of America.

00:49:05.000 And you see it in England as well.

00:49:07.000 They have like children's songs.

00:49:09.000 We're going to try to get the song up here where they're teaching kids that black people have always been around in England when it's like, that's just, you're just lying.

00:49:18.000 You're just absolutely lying to people and saying that this has always been this way.

00:49:22.000 It's totally normal.

00:49:24.000 Everyone's been like this.

00:49:26.000 And I think that's kind of insane.

00:49:29.000 Blake, you were noticing too, I think we were chatting before the show about this show Bridgerton or something, how the books aren't even like that, but they changed it for the show as well.

00:49:37.000 Oh, it's a super bizarre one.

00:49:39.000 So Bridgerton is a series, I think it's on Netflix or one of those streaming services.

00:49:44.000 And what's unbelievable about it, first of all, don't watch it.

00:49:46.000 It's incredibly dirty. 0.59

00:49:48.000 It's one of those shows where they just throw in heaps of sex and nudity, but it's prestige television. 0.97

00:49:53.000 So you're not watching, you're not watching Porn Everyone.

00:49:56.000 You're watching very serious television.

00:49:58.000 And so it's based on a series of romance novels that are set in Regency era England.

00:50:03.000 So the early 1800s.

00:50:05.000 And the books are just normal romance books. 1.00

00:50:08.000 You know, women read them.

00:50:09.000 I don't.

00:50:10.000 And but when they made the adaptation, what they did is they made an extremely high share of the characters black, like much higher than it actually even is in England today.

00:50:24.000 And this required an entire alternate history setup where the idea was there was a member of the British royal family in the 1700s, I want to say, who was slightly darker than usual.

00:50:39.000 And it was because she had some blood from, I think, Iberia, like Portugal.

00:50:43.000 And so they turned this from, oh, she was slightly dusky because she had some Iberian blood to we're going to imagine that she was black somehow, even though she was a princess from Germany and no one else comments and none of the portraits portray her this way.

00:50:56.000 But we're going to imagine that she was black and then her marrying into the British royal family caused a rejection of racism.

00:51:04.000 And so they got rid of slavery earlier.

00:51:08.000 And then they had black people incorporate into the British upper class.

00:51:13.000 And so that is why now in our adaptation of Bridgerton, there are black people everywhere in what is otherwise a period romance drama set in 1815.

00:51:23.000 And that's what they did.

00:51:25.000 That was Bridgerton.

00:51:28.000 We've got the song.

00:51:30.000 Are you guys ready for this?

00:51:32.000 God help us.

00:51:34.000 Let's play clip 73.

00:52:33.000 And a man who has been on love for husbands, but no.

00:52:38.000 The making sure young witches and the stars amongst her fields of you and the way I've had you sing.

00:52:58.000 Okay, Hastings?

00:53:01.000 I think we're all missing the point here, though, which is that even if all of that didn't happen, right?

00:53:11.000 And it mostly didn't.

00:53:12.000 A lot of it didn't happen.

00:53:13.000 Estelle still would have had to wait for racism to make its way through America for Kanye to come up through the ranks, right?

00:53:23.000 Down the line.

00:53:25.000 Oh, you're coming.

00:53:26.000 To be a bright talk.

00:53:28.000 Well, I'm saying to sing the song American Boy.

00:53:33.000 Hey, Tyler, why don't you just throw up a salute to your Fuhrer here? 1.00

00:53:36.000 Estelle is the most famous black female artist. 1.00

00:53:39.000 Yeah. 0.93

00:53:40.000 Estelle's the most famous black female artist from England ever.

00:53:45.000 And one of the greatest songs ever was Kanye and Estelle.

00:53:50.000 What?

00:53:51.000 I don't even know Estelle.

00:53:53.000 I've never even heard of this person.

00:53:55.000 You know American Boy?

00:53:57.000 Probably not.

00:53:58.000 We can't play it because I'll get us kicked off.

00:53:59.000 Oh, we're not we're in Rumble.

00:54:01.000 I guess we could play it.

00:54:02.000 I'd rather not.

00:54:03.000 Not after that last song that they inflicted on us.

00:54:05.000 Well, you know, that's one of the greatest jams ever is Kanye West and Estelle singing American Boy.

00:54:12.000 Do you guys not know?

00:54:13.000 This is like one of the greatest.

00:54:14.000 This is like top of chart stuff.

00:54:17.000 But the whole point is, is that, you know, the line had.

00:54:20.000 You don't listen to whatever like Nazi radio station you listen to. 0.56

00:54:24.000 This is woke.

00:54:25.000 This is woke stuff.

00:54:28.000 You have to listen.

00:54:29.000 It must not be listening to it.

00:54:30.000 This is woke Kanye.

00:54:32.000 Not if the Fuhrer Kanye did it.

00:54:34.000 This was the mustache seems a little bit different there, Tyler.

00:54:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:38.000 Do you need us to get it?

00:54:39.000 Do you need to shave it down, get a trimmer, Tyler?

00:54:42.000 You can fit it in your gas mask, right?

00:54:44.000 Wait, you guys aren't familiar with the most famous black artist coming out of England?

00:54:51.000 No, I don't listen to any music that was made after probably after Nirvana's Nevermind came out because that's when music went bad.

00:54:58.000 So I just listened to it.

00:55:00.000 Please tell me all you guys in the studio are American Boy fans.

00:55:05.000 Come on.

00:55:07.000 No?

00:55:09.000 No?

00:55:10.000 Yeah, there is an island here.

00:55:13.000 Producer Angela dropped it in the chat. 0.99

00:55:17.000 Oh, Andrew probably watches that crap. 0.99

00:55:19.000 Andrew, Andrew knows it. 0.99

00:55:21.000 Andrew had this on his on his MP3 CDs probably back in the day.

00:55:25.000 Did you say MP3 CDs?

00:55:27.000 Yeah.

00:55:28.000 Remember this?

00:55:30.000 Remember the MP3 CDs?

00:55:32.000 No.

00:55:32.000 No, okay.

00:55:33.000 Yeah.

00:55:33.000 I guess I do.

00:55:35.000 There was that two, three-year period where having a CD burner on your computer.

00:55:39.000 I picked up my Chevy Silverado.

00:55:41.000 I have a great story.

00:55:41.000 Chevy Silverwater, Silverado, all white.

00:55:45.000 Did you drive it to the levee because the levee was dry?

00:55:48.000 Silverado, single cab.

00:55:50.000 And it said the license plate said riding clean.

00:55:53.000 And I turn on the radio.

00:55:55.000 And this track is on repeat.

00:55:57.000 It's the Estelle Sucks, the American Boy Song.

00:55:59.000 Because he was actually skipping, and that's the only thing I could hear over and over and over.

00:56:06.000 Yo, in all seriousness, just side tangent, but do you ever notice that nobody mentions ever-missing CDs?

00:56:12.000 Like we all kind of knew that inherently that technology was awful.

00:56:16.000 They never worked.

00:56:18.000 They were so cheap, so disposable.

00:56:20.000 They were so hard to use.

00:56:22.000 I think we all hated them for like, I don't know, 15 years.

00:56:25.000 And now that they're gone, not a single person misses them.

00:56:27.000 I think you're not going to be able to do that.

00:56:28.000 You're going back to LPs and vinyl.

00:56:29.000 That's great.

00:56:30.000 But yeah.

00:56:30.000 You're the first person I ever know of to describe a CD as hard to use.

00:56:34.000 Like, were you confused which side to put on top when you looked at it?

00:56:39.000 Not hard to use, hard to maintain, right?

00:56:42.000 So you could look at a CD and it would stop working.

00:56:46.000 I didn't have this experience.

00:56:47.000 You know, maybe the maybe the Posebook household was different, but no, but they're fine.

00:56:52.000 I think the best symbol of that was I only learned that my computer didn't have a disk drive about two years after I bought it.

00:56:59.000 That was the first time I ever thought, oh, I should put a CD in my computer.

00:57:03.000 Oh, oh, I can't.

00:57:05.000 And so that is how I noticed that too.

00:57:07.000 Yeah, they're all gone now.

00:57:08.000 Yeah.

00:57:08.000 And nobody seems to care.

00:57:09.000 You know, it's funny is my kid.

00:57:11.000 We got one of those like, I don't know, we got some kids, you know, like reading book, like, you know, kids first reader or whatever.

00:57:17.000 It had a CD in the back, and he was looking at it going, he was like, Daddy, what is this?

00:57:22.000 And I was like, oh, it's, I guess it comes with a CD.

00:57:24.000 And he goes, he goes, where do we, okay, where do we, where do we play it?

00:57:29.000 And I'm thinking, I don't have a CD player anywhere.

00:57:32.000 And it has, I had one in my car.

00:57:34.000 So we, I said, let's go to the car and play it.

00:57:35.000 And we, and sure enough, it was a book on tape.

00:57:38.000 We're not being offensive enough here.

00:57:40.000 So let's let's go back to the thought crime topic.

00:57:42.000 Just wait, do we have the clip from the music video?

00:57:45.000 Are you going to make me listen to it?

00:57:48.000 Oh, we're cutting it.

00:57:49.000 They're cutting it.

00:57:49.000 Okay, so before we get to that, but you know, obviously, you don't need everything to be 100%, you know, race matched in a fictional movie.

00:57:58.000 Sometimes this goes insane.

00:57:59.000 They did this movie, Memoirs of a Geisha, like 15 years ago, and it had a Chinese woman playing the Japanese geisha, and some people freaked out about this.

00:58:07.000 We don't need to go that far.

00:58:09.000 You have some give here.

00:58:11.000 But what annoys people is just when they feel like their art is designed as political propaganda at them.

00:58:18.000 And I think that's what a lot of people will worry about, you know, with this, with this Hannibal movie.

00:58:23.000 It's obviously what's going on with something like Bridgerton, that we're going to make this thing totally not what matched reality, and you're going to accept it.

00:58:31.000 I'm so glad that you brought the Bridgerton thing.

00:58:33.000 I didn't even know this was coming today because I walked in on my wife watching Bridgerton with this, with this going on.

00:58:40.000 And I was like, what are you watching?

00:58:42.000 Like, what is this?

00:58:44.000 There's no way this.

00:58:45.000 I was like, is this supposed to be like, is this like, so I asked my wife, I was like, is this fiction clearly?

00:58:50.000 And she's like, yeah, I mean, I think it's historical fiction.

00:58:53.000 I'm like, well, it's not historical fiction.

00:58:56.000 You see, there's a deeper thing here. 1.00

00:58:58.000 The reason this propaganda works so well is because a lot of women don't know any history. 1.00

00:59:03.000 Well, this is like very easy. 1.00

00:59:04.000 This is like the Rome, the Romans, the Roman Empire thing.

00:59:06.000 Yeah, we're just.

00:59:07.000 Start asking questions because then I was like, I'm totally disinterested with Bridgerton, by the way. 0.92

00:59:11.000 Like, whatever, however long she's been watching this, this crap forever, I'm like, I just don't care. 0.97

00:59:16.000 I just watch it. 0.99

00:59:17.000 I walk by it casually while she's watching it.

00:59:19.000 But when this came out, I started asking questions.

00:59:21.000 I was like, so where, what, what, what principality is she from?

00:59:27.000 Like, where did she come from?

00:59:28.000 I was like, right.

00:59:30.000 Like, can you explain this?

00:59:31.000 So I started having this dialogue with my wife.

00:59:33.000 It's the most I've ever cared about Bridgerton.

00:59:36.000 Was like, how, and then she's like, oh, I don't know.

00:59:39.000 Like, it's just, I'm like, where did she get that British accent from?

00:59:42.000 Like, why does she have an accent from like whatever princess?

00:59:46.000 I think she's from somewhere else.

00:59:47.000 I'm like, no, this is all just made up.

00:59:48.000 How does this not like just bother you the entire time you're watching it?

00:59:52.000 This isn't like accurate historical fiction.

00:59:56.000 And then, and then the most important part, too, if that truly happened, then we never would have got American Boy out of this.

01:00:05.000 You and your so what you're saying is that Meghan Markle isn't the first black royal.

01:00:10.000 No, you want to have Meghan Markle.

01:00:14.000 That actually, Prince Harry is part black already. 0.83

01:00:16.000 No, Prince Harry would have been black. 0.94

01:00:19.000 So Prince, no, what I'm saying, but he's already part black if this is true. 1.00

01:00:22.000 Or is he just or Blake?

01:00:23.000 Is he just parked Dusky?

01:00:26.000 I'm not sure.

01:00:27.000 I think Bridgerton doesn't go that high.

01:00:30.000 Well, maybe it does.

01:00:30.000 I don't know.

01:00:31.000 Let's cut to Kanye.

01:00:32.000 Cut 74.

01:00:35.000 Number one champion sound.

01:00:37.000 Yeah, Estelle, we're about to get down.

01:00:39.000 We're the hottest in the world right now.

01:00:41.000 Just touch down in London town.

01:00:51.000 Take me off if I like to go show.

01:00:55.000 Take me to New York. 0.86

01:00:56.000 I love to see who killing them in the UK. 0.92

01:01:02.000 Everybody gonna say UK. 0.94

01:01:04.000 Reluctantly, cause most of this press don't with me. 0.76

01:01:07.000 Estelle wants shed, tell me cool down, down. 0.98

01:01:10.000 Don't act a fool now. 1.00

01:01:12.000 Always act a fool. 1.00

01:01:13.000 Ow, ow. 1.00

01:01:14.000 Ain't nothing.

01:01:14.000 There's a part where she talks about it being five foot.

01:01:26.000 Okay, it's fine.

01:01:27.000 Wait, actually, to be fair, I didn't know that was a Kanye song, but I have heard the Fortnite parody of it.

01:01:34.000 That's how I know it.

01:01:35.000 Oh, well, yeah.

01:01:36.000 Yeah, that's what the kid, the Fortnite kid song is from.

01:01:40.000 Yeah, I've also heard that song somewhere before.

01:01:42.000 I don't know.

01:01:46.000 You probably heard the Fortnite version.

01:01:48.000 Good music is like candy.

01:01:51.000 You throw it in the middle of it.

01:01:51.000 No, but she talks about him being five foot nine in this.

01:01:54.000 Ooh.

01:01:55.000 I mean, Kanye's.

01:01:56.000 I'm the number one Victorie Royale.

01:01:58.000 Yeah, for it down.

01:01:59.000 Does she say like, you like Ron DeSantis in five-inch heels?

01:02:03.000 Yeah, pretty close.

01:02:04.000 I mean, he, I think, I think probably Kanye had to wear heels on this. 1.00

01:02:09.000 She's in heels, so she must be tiny.

01:02:13.000 This is what people don't understand.

01:02:14.000 It's not about heels.

01:02:16.000 It was about the insecurity and the lies.

01:02:19.000 It was about the lies.

01:02:20.000 That's the issue.

01:02:22.000 Like, nobody cares if you wear heels.

01:02:24.000 But the fact, it's like also like a Seinfeld episode, right, Charlie?

01:02:28.000 You know, George, are those Timberlands with black Sharpie all over them?

01:02:32.000 No.

01:02:34.000 Yeah.

01:02:35.000 It's the episode where they went.

01:02:36.000 Yeah.

01:02:37.000 That's right.

01:02:37.000 Wasn't that also a backwards episode?

01:02:39.000 Yeah, that's right, where everything went backwards.

01:02:40.000 A deep web reveal.

01:02:43.000 Wait, do we have one today?

01:02:46.000 Or we don't have a deep web reveal?

01:02:48.000 Oh, I don't think so.

01:02:49.000 Not this time.

01:02:50.000 And therefore, our thing we're thankful for.

01:02:53.000 Explain yourself.

01:02:54.000 Why are you going to crack out for Thanksgiving?

01:02:56.000 Because it's way cooler than, you know, no offense.

01:02:59.000 Love my family, but I also like going to extremely distant countries to look at their extremely old things because I was born in South Dakota, which has no history whatsoever.

01:03:11.000 The oldest settlement in South Dakota is like 150 years old.

01:03:15.000 There are like toilets in Poland that are older than that.

01:03:18.000 And so I'm loaded for bear.

01:03:21.000 I'm going for 10 days and I can exploit America's lovely long holiday weekend to be gone for a longer length of time.

01:03:27.000 Wait, did you know that Poland is the number one producer of turkey per capita in the world?

01:03:34.000 Ooh. 0.95

01:03:34.000 Well, they're also good at killing people from Turkey. 0.95

01:03:38.000 Well, it makes perfect sense to go get perfect sense to go get turkey meat from Poland.

01:03:43.000 Also, as my dad pointed out, I want to go to a country where I'll be the smartest person there.

01:03:48.000 Are you going to eat turkey while you're there?

01:03:51.000 Probably not.

01:03:51.000 Jack, do they eat turkey?

01:03:53.000 Do they celebrate turkey in the fall, winter?

01:03:58.000 I mean, yeah, you can get turkey in Poland, but no, Thanksgiving is not celebrated anywhere else.

01:04:03.000 Well, I know Thanksgiving is not celebrated, but do they eat a lot of turkey?

01:04:05.000 Like, do you like cook a turkey there?

01:04:07.000 Jack, do they put screen doors on planes in the Polish national airway?

01:04:15.000 Yeah, all day long.

01:04:17.000 You know what else they do is they bring in a bunch of Palestinian immigrants from Gaza.

01:04:21.000 Oh, no, wait, that's Germany. 0.55

01:04:22.000 Sorry, that's Germany doing that.

01:04:24.000 Sorry.

01:04:24.000 My bad.

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01:04:31.000 Tyler, hope things work out with the Air Force.

01:04:34.000 And have a great Thanksgiving, everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - November 25, 2023

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 22 — Canceling Candace?, Air Force vs. Conservatives?

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