The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 23 — Big Money Nikki?, Napoleon + Caeser Reboot, Conservatives' Single Issue

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00:03:29.000 All right, everybody.

00:03:30.000 You missed a very robust discussion about the Pac-12 no longer existing.

00:03:34.000 Tyler Boyer is with us.

00:03:37.000 Andrew Colvett, who is feeling better.

00:03:39.000 Andrew, I think Andrew had the new China pneumonia.

00:03:43.000 Yeah, the mystery pneumonia.

00:03:45.000 Yeah, he defeated it pretty well.

00:03:47.000 Jack Pasobic.

00:03:48.000 And Jack, you watch sports?

00:03:51.000 Well, I watch the Eagles because that's mandatory for everyone from the Philadelphia area.

00:03:55.000 Yeah, that's too bad.

00:03:56.000 You will be disappointed.

00:03:57.000 Jalen Hurts will never win the big one.

00:03:59.000 That's uh brotherly shove all day long.

00:04:03.000 He's playing well, but he'll always let you down.

00:04:05.000 That's what are they?

00:04:07.000 Is really this year?

00:04:09.000 It's really Jason Kelsey, uh, nine and one.

00:04:11.000 Yeah, no, no, I think they're 10 and one.

00:04:14.000 Jason Kelsey, they just beat the Bills.

00:04:16.000 Did Jason Kelsey get the jab?

00:04:18.000 Speaking of a real question.

00:04:21.000 No, Jason Kelsey is a phenomenal center.

00:04:25.000 I think he's actually better.

00:04:26.000 I think he's better than Travis as far as being a center in the NFL is basically being QB2.

00:04:33.000 You're basically the quarterback.

00:04:34.000 That's a hard position.

00:04:36.000 You're calling out coverages.

00:04:37.000 I mean, it is.

00:04:38.000 You're like a catcher in baseball almost.

00:04:40.000 It's hard to be hard to be an all-star and be a center, but when you are, I mean, you just put it strategically alters the way the game is played.

00:04:49.000 Well, and think about it.

00:04:50.000 Your completion percentage has to be 100 as a center.

00:04:53.000 Now, in the shotgun era, your completion percent has to be 100. 0.78

00:04:56.000 And the Blitzes, if you call one bad Blitz coverage, you're screwed.

00:05:02.000 Wait, Charlie, hold on. 0.95

00:05:02.000 Okay. 0.95

00:05:04.000 I got one question about Jalen Hurts.

00:05:06.000 I mean, he is a phenomenal athlete, but the way he handled the Alabama starting quarterback gig with such grace and dignity.

00:05:13.000 With Tua de Viola, yeah.

00:05:16.000 I mean, I have such great respect for that man for his character.

00:05:16.000 Yes.

00:05:21.000 He's a strong Christian man.

00:05:23.000 Why do you say he's never going to win the big one?

00:05:24.000 Because I'm going to say this nicely, but he choked in the national title game before, and Tua replaced him.

00:05:33.000 They were doing awful.

00:05:34.000 If you remember, it was the 2018, 2018 national title game, Georgia v. Alabama.

00:05:42.000 Georgia was winning.

00:05:43.000 Jake From freshman quarterback.

00:05:44.000 They pulled Jalen Hurts and put Tua in.

00:05:47.000 Tua brought him back from behind.

00:05:48.000 They were down like 14 points.

00:05:50.000 There was like that.

00:05:51.000 Yeah, and then he threw the walk-off to Devontae Smith, Jack.

00:05:56.000 He actually dissembled Devontae Smith, who's now an Eagle.

00:05:59.000 Look, look, look.

00:06:00.000 He needed the bird gang. 0.94

00:06:02.000 He needed the power of the now.

00:06:07.000 He has the ability to do it.

00:06:08.000 He lost the Super Bowl last year.

00:06:10.000 The point is, the guy, and then he lost in the college football playoff.

00:06:13.000 First bite at the Apple, already.

00:06:14.000 Not all of us make good on our first bite at the Apple.

00:06:17.000 He lost in the college football playoff against Joe Burrow, which everyone would lose against Joe Burrow at LSU.

00:06:17.000 Hold on.

00:06:22.000 That was the one that was probably the best college football team I've seen in the last 20 years.

00:06:26.000 It was unbelievable.

00:06:27.000 Anyway, love Jalen Hurts.

00:06:28.000 The way he handled the transition was great.

00:06:31.000 We just lost Andrew.

00:06:32.000 Thoughts and prayers.

00:06:33.000 Oh, Andrew's back.

00:06:34.000 Andrew's also transitioning.

00:06:34.000 Okay.

00:06:35.000 He's dealing with his monkey.

00:06:36.000 No, I'm not, I'm not anti-Jalen.

00:06:38.000 I just, I know a choker when I see one.

00:06:41.000 And it's kind of like...

00:06:42.000 That moment could have reformed him.

00:06:44.000 It could have been that pivotal, life-changing moment.

00:06:47.000 I mean, not last year in the Super Bowl.

00:06:49.000 The Chiefs beat him.

00:06:50.000 So let's, maybe I'm wrong.

00:06:52.000 I just, I'll tell you.

00:06:53.000 Hey, guys, I was thinking real quick about the Chiefs.

00:06:56.000 I was thinking we should all do Thought Crime next week or one week coming up here live from a Chiefs game in total blackface. 0.98

00:07:04.000 Just total, just go all in.

00:07:07.000 No, we'll all do half blackface, we'll spend our entire time just looking with profile shots. 0.97

00:07:12.000 Well, that's a good question.

00:07:13.000 How many Raiders say anything?

00:07:15.000 How many Raiders fans throughout the years have just literally gone full blackface at a Raiders game?

00:07:21.000 And it's all been all the incredible.

00:07:23.000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure I have numerous memories of this.

00:07:26.000 Anyways, I am Steelers.

00:07:29.000 I know a lot of Raiders fans.

00:07:30.000 I think that if there was a percentage of fans that were the most overlap of MAGA, I think it was Raiders fans.

00:07:37.000 You think so?

00:07:39.000 Well, as far as proportionality, I want to think deeply about this, but have you been to a Raiders game?

00:07:46.000 I mean, I have not.

00:07:48.000 I've just seen them on TV.

00:07:50.000 It is a very outspoken group.

00:07:55.000 Even in Oakland, even Oakland days, especially Oakland.

00:07:59.000 Trump's MAGA.

00:08:01.000 Yeah, Trump tweeted like a Raiders fan.

00:08:05.000 It's like he spoke like a Raiders fan.

00:08:05.000 Yes.

00:08:07.000 Yeah.

00:08:08.000 Everything that Trump says is just Wind Baby, Al Davis, right?

00:08:13.000 He makes fun of people the same way with Raiders fans.

00:08:16.000 My favorite Raiders take ever that I've had was when I found out they were going to Vegas.

00:08:20.000 I said, yeah, that actually makes sense.

00:08:23.000 This is not racist at all, by the way.

00:08:26.000 No.

00:08:28.000 If you know anything about the Raiders, that is exactly the Raiders.

00:08:31.000 That's right.

00:08:33.000 By the way, they are without a doubt.

00:08:36.000 There's some great Raiders fans.

00:08:37.000 I know some of them.

00:08:38.000 Then there's also some.

00:08:39.000 They are very, very intense and nasty.

00:08:42.000 Speaking of people that we needed a segue that are fans of something you shouldn't be.

00:08:49.000 Tell us about Nikki Haley, Jack.

00:08:51.000 We went from Raiders fans to Nikki Haley.

00:08:54.000 No, that's fine.

00:08:55.000 I mean, look, you know, we're going to play the, we've got a clip here that really wraps it up for us.

00:09:01.000 So we were planning.

00:09:03.000 So, you know, for people who know that when we, when we shoot, you know, Thought Crime, this is the one show a week where we really do kind of have like a list of topics and they put it on the side there.

00:09:13.000 So we sort of chat about what one we want to talk about.

00:09:16.000 And I said, look, this whole Nikki Haley play, the big money getting behind her, Americans for Prosperity.

00:09:22.000 Charlie, you did a huge monologue on this the other day, talking about the Koch network and their origins and sort of their shift in politics, or at least where they stand on the political spectrum and how their dollars are being leveraged at this point in politics.

00:09:34.000 And we were going to sort of have that conversation.

00:09:37.000 And then all of a sudden, at this massive like Masters of the Universe Wall Street meeting, the CEO of JP Morgan, Jamie Diamond, gets up and starts telling everybody how important it is that they all go and get behind Nikki Haley.

00:09:55.000 I believe it's clip 92.

00:09:58.000 You're not going to tell me.

00:09:59.000 I did come out and make a nice statement about Nikki Haley.

00:10:02.000 You did.

00:10:02.000 You've been talking to Nikki.

00:10:04.000 Even if you're a very liberal Democrat, I urge you, you know, help Nikki Haley too.

00:10:04.000 Yes, I have.

00:10:08.000 You know, get a choice on a Republican side that might be better than Trump.

00:10:13.000 And is that your view that it's anything but Trump?

00:10:16.000 I would never say that, you know, because he might be the president.

00:10:19.000 I have to deal with that too.

00:10:22.000 And so there it is right there.

00:10:24.000 This is something where, and we've had Mike Benz on the show and he's walked us through this alliance of the Uniparty.

00:10:30.000 And he's explained that it's essentially you have your Yankee mafia and your cowboy mafia.

00:10:35.000 What does that mean?

00:10:36.000 So the Yankees, that's your financial sector.

00:10:38.000 That's your Northeastern old money, then tied into the energy concerns, the energy interest down in Texas and the military industrial complex, which of course has a massive power base in South Carolina.

00:10:52.000 So South Carolina and the Cowboys energy industry tied in with finance.

00:10:59.000 Now all of a sudden, you got Nikki Haley.

00:11:01.000 Charlie, what is going on with this push?

00:11:04.000 Is this actually something where they think Nikki can win?

00:11:08.000 Can she get to 1235?

00:11:10.000 Or is this really, as we said on Human Events the other day, a way to possibly block Trump from getting to 1235?

00:11:17.000 Yeah, I don't know how realistic any of this is.

00:11:19.000 They've convinced themselves of that.

00:11:20.000 We have the documents here printed out.

00:11:22.000 If Daisy could find them, and Tyler will be able to add a lot to this.

00:11:26.000 The Koch network has convinced themselves through all this fake data and fake polling.

00:11:30.000 I don't believe any of it, to be honest with you, that Nikki Haley is the best alternative to Trump and all this.

00:11:35.000 And the Koch network has not made a wise political decision for the last decade.

00:11:39.000 And Tyler has fought them head on here in Arizona in many different ways.

00:11:44.000 So do they think that Nikki's going to win?

00:11:46.000 I don't know, but they feel good about it.

00:11:48.000 That's the more important answer, Jack, is that these are rich people that can then go to Aspen Christmas parties and they can feel righteous and virtuous that they're not doing the left-wing thing, but they're around someone who's a neoliberal neocon. 0.99

00:12:06.000 And look, Nikki has run a very disciplined campaign.

00:12:10.000 She has been intentional to avoid any MAGA gathering. 0.99

00:12:14.000 She doesn't want to even try to win us over.

00:12:17.000 She believes that she's doing two things. 1.00

00:12:20.000 She's either trying to...

00:12:22.000 Yeah, and I've known Nikki for a long time.

00:12:24.000 I'm not personally offended.

00:12:26.000 She's not one of us.

00:12:27.000 And she's not pretending to be one of us, which I actually, in some ways, like respect the game.

00:12:31.000 Like she's a corporate shill and she wants to, she's doing the corporate shill thing, right?

00:12:36.000 Like no grassroots energy, you know, invade the world, invite the world, future Sedon Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin, the whole deal.

00:12:44.000 There's two things. 1.00

00:12:45.000 She really cares about what high society elites think about her. 0.99

00:12:49.000 She really, really does. 1.00

00:12:51.000 By the way, that used to matter for political power pre-Trump. 0.98

00:12:55.000 So she still has that muscle memory of when she was governor that you really did need to win over the donor class to be able to win over the rest of the party. 0.98

00:13:06.000 And not only that, that muscle memory, but she was the heir apparent at one point.

00:13:11.000 And so a lot of people forget this, that after Romney, there was this, remember the autopsy of 2012?

00:13:18.000 The party needs to go in this different direction.

00:13:21.000 We need to be more open to immigrants and Hispanics, the H-1Bs. 1.00

00:13:25.000 And so it was going to go Marco Rubio and then it was going to go Nikki Haley.

00:13:29.000 And then Trump trounces Rubio in the 2016 primary. 0.67

00:13:34.000 Haley, of course, didn't play a part in that.

00:13:36.000 She did at one point compare Donald Trump's rhetoric to Dylan Roof, and I'm not going to let her forget that.

00:13:42.000 And then she goes, gets into the Trump administration.

00:13:45.000 She begs him to become Secretary of State.

00:13:48.000 He says a woman shouldn't be, shouldn't be. 0.99

00:13:48.000 He says no. 0.99

00:13:51.000 That's not a job for a woman, basically.

00:13:53.000 You know, he's right about that.

00:13:54.000 You can't send a woman over to North Korea, Russia, China, et cetera. 1.00

00:13:58.000 It's just, it's just not a job for a woman. 1.00

00:13:59.000 And then so she gets upset.

00:14:01.000 She becomes UN ambassador and then she leaves, kind of rage quits, and then decides to run against him, even though he basically asked her not to.

00:14:08.000 So I think that she's, it's not just the muscle memory.

00:14:11.000 It's sort of like very similar to a Hillary Clinton where, you know, you stole my destiny.

00:14:16.000 This was rightfully mine and you took it away from me.

00:14:19.000 There's a lot of entitlement that Nikki feels.

00:14:22.000 And she was supposed to be the one. 0.98

00:14:25.000 Now, for those of us that watch carefully and closely, you know, we know that she's a neoliberal.

00:14:30.000 It's not as if it's been some massive revelation or big surprise.

00:14:33.000 But I will say this, and I want Tyler to take it up that the Koch network has come out.

00:14:36.000 They say, okay, we're behind, you know, Nikki Haley.

00:14:40.000 She's amazing.

00:14:41.000 Open borders, immigration. 1.00

00:14:44.000 You know, the Koch network used to be a power center in the base.

00:14:47.000 They're on the outside looking in, aren't they, Tyler?

00:14:49.000 They do not have the power they once had.

00:14:51.000 They have money, but money does not get you power the way it used to in the conservative movement.

00:14:56.000 Trump has changed the game.

00:14:58.000 He has empowered shows like ours, organizations like Turning Point.

00:15:03.000 I can say this, and I don't say it braggadociously, but Tyler, 10 years ago, Turning Point did not exist, 11 years ago.

00:15:08.000 11 years later, Turning Point USA, Turning Point Action, Thought Crimes, Charlie Kirk show, Jack Besobic is more powerful than the Koch Network.

00:15:14.000 Yeah, by a lot.

00:15:16.000 It's not going to happen, though.

00:15:17.000 Like, I mean, because they've spent nearly a billion dollars.

00:15:19.000 Like, how that's.

00:15:20.000 Oh, they've spent billions.

00:15:22.000 So think, how is that possible?

00:15:23.000 How is it that a bunch of upstart entrepreneurs like us now matter more than the Kokes? 1.00

00:15:29.000 Well, the first wrong that the Koch network did, they committed, was going into states and then basically negotiating with terrorists like John McCain and others, right?

00:15:43.000 So the biggest mistake that the Cokes made was they lied to the entire base, which was the tricky part, right?

00:15:48.000 Which was we're ultra conservative, we're libertarian, we're, you know, we're the, we're the constitutionalists.

00:15:54.000 And then what do they do?

00:15:55.000 They, they roll into states and they make deals with guys like John McCain, like Mitt Romney and guys like that, right?

00:16:03.000 And so Jeff Flake, right?

00:16:05.000 They wanted to protect those guys.

00:16:07.000 And the conservative base started recognizing it.

00:16:10.000 They covered for a long time.

00:16:12.000 They started recognizing.

00:16:13.000 They started going, we don't agree with that.

00:16:16.000 And nothing exposed that more than when Trump ran.

00:16:19.000 So 2016, 15 rolls around and Trump runs.

00:16:23.000 And they're like, wait, lots of Cruz fans, right?

00:16:26.000 Lots of people, but even Cruz is susceptible to this type of behavior with Club for Growth, with the Cokes, with everybody else, right?

00:16:34.000 They kind of fall into it.

00:16:35.000 This is like the Jim Jordan trap, right?

00:16:39.000 And you have Trump run, and he's like, I don't need any of these mofos, right? 1.00

00:16:43.000 Like, get them out of here.

00:16:44.000 Like, I don't, I don't want to deal with it.

00:16:45.000 I don't want to.

00:16:46.000 He took the best of the best from that world to kind of help run some operational stuff.

00:16:52.000 And then he moved on and everybody within the conservative base started going, it broke the spell.

00:16:57.000 They started going, oh my gosh, all these people have been lying to us for the last 10 years, basically, last eight years.

00:17:03.000 And these people that were our Tea Party beloved saviors, which they were funding a lot of Tea Party type behavior, turned out they were just doing that in order to try to control us.

00:17:14.000 And in the background, making deals with the Bushes and the McCains.

00:17:18.000 And yeah, Corey Gardner is a perfect example.

00:17:20.000 I mean, so many people who are now out of office.

00:17:23.000 Jeff Like so many of them.

00:17:26.000 We could start going down the list of all these different guys.

00:17:26.000 I could name them.

00:17:29.000 Tim Scott came up in the Tea Party movement.

00:17:32.000 All of these.

00:17:32.000 Yeah.

00:17:33.000 And now these people that are still around that are kind of the hangover piece of this are trying to split the fence.

00:17:40.000 They're trying to like make MAGA happy while trying to make that side happy.

00:17:44.000 And almost always they're failing and getting evicted from office. 0.99

00:17:49.000 So Nikki's like one side of the fence now, right?

00:17:51.000 Like now it's just, I think it also, it's if I was a Koch network and I wanted to be relevant and impactful, I certainly wouldn't endorse someone who's going to lose by 30 or 40 points.

00:18:02.000 They don't care about that.

00:18:04.000 I think they actually think they're more powerful than they really are, though.

00:18:10.000 I think what they think is that at some point the Trump MAGA America First movement is going to die and they want to be there to pick up the pieces.

00:18:21.000 So is this about setting her up for maybe 28 or basically like setting up a national infrastructure to run as a placeholder, that kind of thing?

00:18:31.000 I mean, I think in large part, they're willing to have people, what they want to see happen is they've, with their corporate partners, right?

00:18:31.000 Yeah.

00:18:42.000 So the Chamber of Commerce.

00:18:44.000 I mean, think about it.

00:18:45.000 The Koch organization has filed like a Chamber of Commerce.

00:18:48.000 It's a 501c6 or whatever it is.

00:18:50.000 They are a filed national chamber of commerce.

00:18:50.000 Yeah.

00:18:54.000 That's how they're file.

00:18:56.000 They want to take over the chamber.

00:18:58.000 They want to be the chamber.

00:18:59.000 They are the chamber.

00:19:00.000 They think they are the chamber.

00:19:01.000 Like, I am the Senate.

00:19:03.000 They think they are that.

00:19:04.000 And so their view of this is like MAGA America First is going to die at some point.

00:19:10.000 The Kerry Lakes of the world are going to die off. 1.00

00:19:12.000 The Donald Trumps are going to die off.

00:19:14.000 And we're going to retake visa v the chamber.

00:19:19.000 And so when they lose, when MAGA loses, because we're going to help them lose, because we don't care if Joe Biden becomes president for a second term or whatever, then we'll pick up all the pieces and we'll be able to say, ha, see, I told you so.

00:19:33.000 And then everybody will adopt the future Nikki Haleys of the movement because we'll go back to that.

00:19:38.000 But that's not true.

00:19:39.000 It's just not going to happen.

00:19:40.000 And so the MAGA movement won't die.

00:19:43.000 Look, without Trump at its helm, its political power will be weaker.

00:19:48.000 But the ideological power of MAGA, again, my working theory is Trump changed everything, and then Tucker made it permanent.

00:19:56.000 Is that Trump had this populist nationalist workers class, no mass migration, no foreign wars.

00:20:03.000 That was all Trump.

00:20:04.000 And then Tucker explained it every night for six years and built and grew and strengthened the conservative base where next thing you know, all of a sudden the majority of the conservative base, majority of the conservative influencers, majority will now be in that populist nationalist direction.

00:20:22.000 Andrew, your thoughts on that?

00:20:25.000 No, this is actually a really key point.

00:20:28.000 And this is why we got on the bandwagon of Tucker becoming the VP for Trump as soon as that idea got floated.

00:20:35.000 And as soon as there was any life to it, we were like, let's pour the fuel on that fire.

00:20:39.000 Because I think what was the expectation going into 2022, 2023 was that DeSantis was the heir apparent to the MAGA movement.

00:20:49.000 Okay, so what happens when Trump either serves a second term, is no longer with us, whatever, retires.

00:20:56.000 Well, DeSantis has been this great governor.

00:20:58.000 Everything is in place.

00:21:00.000 We have this deep bench.

00:21:01.000 Well, DeSantis has proven that his campaign has fallen flat.

00:21:05.000 He has an unknown political future.

00:21:07.000 I think that is very safe to say right now, unknown political future.

00:21:10.000 Doesn't matter about the band of the Kim Reynolds endorsement in Iowa, right?

00:21:15.000 Tucker is the last man standing and perhaps the best choice all along.

00:21:22.000 And I think you're right that he is the one that added the intellectual foundation to the MAGA movement that Trump can kind of explain it to the everyman.

00:21:32.000 Tucker can add the intellectual foundation and the heft necessary to keep the movement building and growing in the long term.

00:21:39.000 So we'll see if there's any life to that.

00:21:42.000 I've heard through the grapevine that Tucker's actually entertaining the idea.

00:21:47.000 Who knows how realistic it might ultimately be, but I think you're right.

00:21:52.000 With Tucker, it does have a future.

00:21:54.000 Jack.

00:21:57.000 Look, when I'm looking at the idea of what the future of this is, it's simply this, right?

00:22:08.000 You can talk about Trump, you can talk about the Tea Party, you can talk about all these forces moving together, that they've shifted the strategic delta of the fight from left-right to nationalist globalist.

00:22:20.000 And this is something that we talked about a ton in 2016, 2017.

00:22:25.000 We've kind of gotten away from that.

00:22:26.000 But you can really see this when it comes to a lot of these foreign disputes.

00:22:31.000 The Ukraine war, you know, he's a perfect example of that. 0.85

00:22:34.000 You know, someone who's going full bore in for Zelensky, a guy that's, it doesn't need to be said, he's put his country into his death spiral at this point, and he's been making tons of money off of it on the side.

00:22:46.000 That's a globalist point of view.

00:22:48.000 A nationalist point of view is, how can we, how does this help the American people?

00:22:52.000 And you start with that first.

00:22:53.000 That's what Trump brought around.

00:22:55.000 And so suddenly he's now bringing people into the party in a way that, as I said before, after that autopsy of 2012, they said, oh, the Republican Party needs to basically needs to cuck on immigration.

00:23:08.000 And if you cuck on immigration and say that, oh, we're for amnesty, which of course goes right into what the Chamber of Commerce wants and goes right into what you're seeing a ton of these financial interests go in for.

00:23:20.000 Now this is going to be the way that we get it forward.

00:23:22.000 So, okay, we're going to be for amnesty.

00:23:24.000 We're going to be, and we're also going to be for massive increases in legal immigration.

00:23:28.000 And Nikki Haley has said this time and time again, how, you know, we need to go to the companies and ask them what they want.

00:23:34.000 It's like these same reheated talking points from 2012 that didn't win, that got Mitt Romney destroyed, and would certainly get any candidate destroyed if they were actually on the general election ballot.

00:23:46.000 And this is why Trump was able to win the Rust Belt in a way that no other Republican was able to do so for years.

00:23:53.000 That he unlocked it by simply saying, I'm going to fight for the workers of this country.

00:23:58.000 I'm going to fight for the people of this country to get their fair share in international trade.

00:24:03.000 You're being screwed by NAFTA. 0.81

00:24:05.000 You're being screwed by China. 0.99

00:24:06.000 Your jobs are being shipped overseas. 0.98

00:24:08.000 Your capital is being shipped overseas.

00:24:10.000 He brought back the return of protectionism, which, of course, the libertarians find as complete anathema.

00:24:16.000 They lose their minds when you bring it.

00:24:18.000 It's a tax.

00:24:19.000 It's a tax.

00:24:19.000 It's like, yeah, it's a tax on other countries for the privilege of doing business within the United States.

00:24:25.000 By the way, tariffs are also what built this country for the first hundred years of its existence.

00:24:29.000 So, yeah, we're going to go back to those and we're going to protect our workers the same way that most other serious countries protect their workers and their industries.

00:24:38.000 And so, when you see Trump moving on all of these issues and at the same token, dropping some of the fights that he has rightly assessed are just not useful or not profitable for Republicans and conservatives to not put those issues at the forefront rather than focusing on issues where Republicans and conservatives do have the advantage.

00:25:01.000 That's how you're actually able to bring people into the party.

00:25:05.000 That's how you're able to win.

00:25:07.000 And of course, so your doctrinaire conservatives, your libertarians, your textualists, they get very, very upset about this because he looks at these things pragmatically and says, all right, what do we need to do to win?

00:25:20.000 And oh, by the way, what policies would be better for the United States?

00:25:23.000 Not, he's not going to, you know, it's true.

00:25:26.000 And people have said, well, he's not a doctrinaire conservative.

00:25:28.000 I don't think he is.

00:25:29.000 I don't think he's sitting and reading about objectivism.

00:25:32.000 He's not, you know, following up on the Austrian school of economics when he's looking at this stuff.

00:25:36.000 He's drawing from his own experience as a businessman.

00:25:40.000 And clearly, that has resonated with the American people.

00:25:44.000 So I want to just read this a little bit.

00:25:46.000 And Tyler, I think you and I both have an interesting window into this.

00:25:50.000 This is AFP.

00:25:51.000 You sent me this, right?

00:25:52.000 Yeah.

00:25:53.000 Yep.

00:25:54.000 This thing, which is really something.

00:25:57.000 It's like living in an alternate universe.

00:25:59.000 These people are literally in Andromeda.

00:26:02.000 I want you to talk about this, Tyler, because to an untrained eye, this seems really big.

00:26:07.000 Let me see here.

00:26:08.000 By the way, the Iron DeSantis consolation prize of this is unbelievable.

00:26:11.000 Okay, you're going to love this.

00:26:12.000 All right, Tyler.

00:26:13.000 Fact check me.

00:26:14.000 AFPI has been speaking with millions of voters at their doorsteps.

00:26:18.000 Is that true?

00:26:19.000 Well, AF, whatever.

00:26:21.000 AFP.

00:26:22.000 I get all messed up.

00:26:23.000 AFP.

00:26:24.000 Not to be confused with AFPI, which is the pro-Trump organization.

00:26:28.000 But yeah.

00:26:29.000 They've also been targeting news agency.

00:26:32.000 The whole thing's all messed up.

00:26:33.000 Too many.

00:26:35.000 So, no, they have not.

00:26:36.000 They have the largest grassroots operation in the country and a presence in all 50 states.

00:26:42.000 False.

00:26:43.000 AFP Action's endorsement will put thousands of AFP action activists and grassroots leaders in the field knocking on doors and urging voters to support Nikki Haley.

00:26:52.000 Yep.

00:26:53.000 Additionally, in the coming days, we'll launch extensive mail, digital, and connected television campaigns to supplement those on-the-ground efforts.

00:26:53.000 False.

00:27:02.000 It says they also hear that part might be true because the consultants.

00:27:06.000 Yeah, I don't.

00:27:07.000 By the way, AFP and AFP Action engage in record-breaking 457 races, knocking on more than 7 million highly targeted doors, delivering over 100 million pieces of mail, and making hundreds of millions more voter contacts through phone and email.

00:27:20.000 They use their targeted polling technologies through I-360.

00:27:25.000 Say right here.

00:27:27.000 But it's important to remember that AFP's actions go far beyond it.

00:27:32.000 If Donald Trump were beat to the nominee, they say that he'll consistently lose to Joe Biden.

00:27:38.000 So yeah, that's it.

00:27:39.000 I want to call on Jack on this one.

00:27:40.000 This is the Koch memo supporting Nikki Haley.

00:27:45.000 Where does this mythology come from, Jack, that Trump will lose to Biden?

00:27:51.000 It's not rooted in reality.

00:27:52.000 There's no data to support it from 2020, 16, or even now.

00:27:57.000 And yet it's built in to high society Republicans.

00:28:01.000 kind of gut reaction.

00:28:03.000 Where does this come from and what is the truth?

00:28:06.000 Well, Charlie, it comes from the echo chambers that they inhabit on every, on a daily basis, the people that they're talking to in their spheres, the people that go back to the Jamie Dimon, right?

00:28:18.000 Go back to the Jamie Dimon clip that we played at the start of all of this.

00:28:20.000 So Jamie Dimon gets up in that room and says, look, I know there's liberal Democrats in here, but it's important for you to support Nikki Haley.

00:28:27.000 Now, imagine the reaction if he had said, I want you to support Donald Trump.

00:28:33.000 Now, obviously, it would have gotten a lot of headlines.

00:28:35.000 It would have gone hyper-viral, probably even more viral than this video has.

00:28:39.000 But, you know, there was a mild, tepid response and people said, oh, okay, you know, I'll go for that.

00:28:43.000 Aaron Sorkin is sitting next to him there going, you know, well, maybe, you know, or Andrew Sorgan and a relation.

00:28:52.000 And they, this is because the people within that class, the people within the limousine class, the country club class, this is someone to them who is palatable.

00:29:08.000 This is someone who they think is the person who should be president.

00:29:14.000 This is built into their social mores.

00:29:17.000 It's built into their social circles.

00:29:19.000 It's also someone who, you know, Trump, he's sort of like, you know, he's kind of like Rodney Dangerfield and Caddyshack.

00:29:25.000 You know, if anyone remembers that, I know I'm kind of dating myself with a reference, but just someone who, even though he checks off all of the boxes, the Jetset class, the leadership class, the elite don't want him in because they know he's from Queens.

00:29:41.000 He's not from Manhattan.

00:29:43.000 He's from the other side of the river.

00:29:46.000 He's someone who comes across the bridge in every day to Manhattan.

00:29:49.000 So it doesn't matter how much money he has.

00:29:51.000 It doesn't matter how much property he has.

00:29:53.000 He'll never be one of us.

00:29:55.000 He'll never be part of the elite.

00:29:58.000 And so someone like him, how could he possibly win?

00:30:01.000 How could he ever beat Joe Biden?

00:30:04.000 These are the same people, Charlie, that said Trump would never win in 2016.

00:30:08.000 They said that he would never win the nomination.

00:30:10.000 And I could go back and show you the clip after clip after clip.

00:30:13.000 And I'm not talking about CNN and MSNBC.

00:30:16.000 I'm talking about Fox News.

00:30:18.000 And I'm not talking about recently.

00:30:19.000 I'm talking about in 2016 when Fox News ran segments again and again and again saying that Donald Trump will not make it to 1235.

00:30:28.000 Yeah, and it's just not, by the way, instead of worrying about all this top-level polling AFP, why don't you guys worry about ballot chasing and the actual infrastructure that's going to get us to win?

00:30:38.000 Diagnose the problem and actually figure out how to go about fixing it.

00:30:43.000 It is, it's as if, entirely, let's talk about this.

00:30:46.000 We have a lot of great donors at Turning Point USA.

00:30:48.000 The thing that bothers me and Turning Point Action, when people use donors as a pejorative, some donors are great, some donors are awful, right?

00:30:54.000 We have some great donors.

00:30:56.000 But donors are defecting from the Koch mantra, aren't they?

00:30:59.000 They're less powerful with donors than ever before.

00:31:02.000 Well, and they were during the Trump era, right?

00:31:04.000 During the first Trump administration, because people started realizing, again, that spell was broken.

00:31:09.000 Or so many people started realizing, oh my gosh, we're getting fed a bunch of baloney.

00:31:14.000 They have all the money in the world.

00:31:15.000 I don't need to give them my money too.

00:31:18.000 And then they go out and do stuff against my value.

00:31:21.000 Yes, the crazy stuff, like work with like, you know, super neocon-y type people.

00:31:27.000 And that's, that's the antithesis of what they said they were.

00:31:31.000 But this is probably the most important fact around Cooks and them losing control and all that.

00:31:38.000 And forget the fact that you have aging out and brothers passing away and things like that.

00:31:44.000 You have a bunch of people who are underneath that have been running that operation for so long that all they care about, again, is making money.

00:31:51.000 So this is, you have a consultant class driven culture.

00:31:55.000 This is not far off from Karl Rove.

00:31:58.000 Totally different power base, Karl Rove.

00:32:01.000 But these guys work together and they hate Trump.

00:32:04.000 They hate America first, not because it's Trump.

00:32:08.000 That's an easy cop-out.

00:32:12.000 They use Trump as the target.

00:32:14.000 They hate you.

00:32:15.000 They hate conservative activists, grassroots activists, because the only thing that can prevent them from taking power is when people organize and take people out.

00:32:25.000 And I'll use this example.

00:32:27.000 As we think back to Virginia, remember Dave Bratt?

00:32:30.000 This was like the first kind of Eric Cantor surprise, right?

00:32:33.000 We had a whole show on it a couple of weeks ago.

00:32:35.000 Eric Cantor was number two or three.

00:32:39.000 He was like going to be the future speaker of the house.

00:32:40.000 That's right.

00:32:41.000 Like he was a Nikki Haley type before the list.

00:32:43.000 Totally.

00:32:44.000 Wall Street Connected, yeah.

00:32:45.000 Totally.

00:32:46.000 They never expected him to get beat, never thought he would get beat, never financed him to the extent that they needed to.

00:32:52.000 That's right.

00:32:53.000 And Dave Bratt came out of nowhere and beat her, beat him.

00:32:55.000 But anyways, they realized in that moment, that is the only thing that can prevent us from moving forward.

00:33:01.000 And then what happens just a couple of years later, Donald Trump.

00:33:04.000 And then everything starts to break apart.

00:33:07.000 So at this point, they're in like a totally different pullback mentality, which is like, hey, we've got to take a completely different approach to this.

00:33:14.000 Let them blow themselves up.

00:33:16.000 We're perfectly okay pushing kind of almost a third party, which is what they're doing with Kirsten Cinema at this point, and trying to talk Joe Manchin into doing it and other people.

00:33:26.000 And that is for now their pathway forward to retaking the Republican Party.

00:33:31.000 Well, part of that is ranked choice voting.

00:33:33.000 That comes into play.

00:33:34.000 They want to get rid of the party elections.

00:33:36.000 This is the reason why they want to get rid of the party elections.

00:33:39.000 If they can eliminate party elections, precinct committee men elections, all of this, they have more likelihood of retaking the party and preventing an Eric Cantor situation to ever again happen in the future.

00:33:51.000 I think that's smart.

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00:35:07.000 Jack, you saw Napoleon.

00:35:08.000 How was it?

00:35:10.000 Unfortunately.

00:35:10.000 Yeah.

00:35:11.000 So last week, right before Thought Crime, I went and saw the first showing of Napoleon literally right after Human Events finished, you know, where the studio is here.

00:35:23.000 We've got a theater that's basically across the street.

00:35:25.000 So went over, sat down, said, all right, this is for show prep.

00:35:28.000 This is for content.

00:35:29.000 We're going to go in.

00:35:30.000 We're going to check it out.

00:35:31.000 Yeah, and it was a $200 million disappointment.

00:35:40.000 And by the way, shout out to Blake, who is currently watching the film As We Speak in Poland.

00:35:46.000 So that's interesting.

00:35:48.000 Poland was a country that's extremely pro-Napoleon.

00:35:51.000 Poland actually still has Napoleon in the national anthem because Napoleon fought for Polish independence.

00:35:56.000 And that's why a lot of the Polish legions joined the Napoleonic army in the invasion of Russia, as long as many Prussians and Austrians, etc.

00:36:06.000 But so when Napoleon came out, of course, the trailer looked great.

00:36:11.000 We all thought it looked really cool.

00:36:13.000 Some of the onset photos look great.

00:36:14.000 But then there was this interesting underlying sense that, you know, are they just going to depict him as a cuck the entire film?

00:36:21.000 Well, it turns out, Charlie, and for anyone else who hasn't seen it yet, this is exactly how they show him. 0.98

00:36:26.000 So, you know, this movie is that Napoleon is an overly ambitious, crazy, deranged psychopath. 0.62

00:36:34.000 He is constantly being cheated on, and that is his sole animating purpose.

00:36:39.000 And so, even though he goes on to win several of the battles that you see in very brief scenes, by the way, most of the scenes that you see in the trailer are the only scenes they actually show of the battles themselves.

00:36:50.000 It's really all about how mad he is at his wife, later becomes his ex-wife.

00:36:55.000 It doesn't show anything of Napoleon the general.

00:36:59.000 Napoleon, you could arguably say the single most victorious general in human history, a guy who wins something somewhere northwards of 90% of his battles, which is just completely unprecedented.

00:37:13.000 There's no explanation of his rise to power or why the people supported him, why his army supported him. 0.95

00:37:20.000 They basically just say, well, he's a nutjob. 0.61

00:37:22.000 And France went crazy for about 20 years and then England won the end. 0.97

00:37:26.000 Terrible.

00:37:28.000 And doesn't it jump all over the place?

00:37:30.000 Doesn't the film explain?

00:37:32.000 So what is that about?

00:37:33.000 It's kind of like, it's kind of like reading a Wikipedia article or something.

00:37:36.000 It's like somebody went through a Wikipedia and went through.

00:37:41.000 So, you know, you can read a Wikipedia article and get maybe like a couple of vignettes of different items of someone's life, but they're all going to be completely skewed.

00:37:49.000 If it's someone who's a historical figure, a political figure, it's always going to be skewed.

00:37:52.000 And then it just jumps from one thing to another.

00:37:55.000 So in one scene, he's like, you know, there's a sex scene between him and Empress Josephine.

00:38:01.000 Then suddenly he's fighting in Egypt and he's shooting cannons at the pyramids, which they don't explain why.

00:38:06.000 They have no idea.

00:38:07.000 There's no explanation of this.

00:38:09.000 Then he's like staring at a mummy and he hits the mummy with his hat.

00:38:13.000 And then it cuts again and he's back in France.

00:38:15.000 And then suddenly he's like marching into Russia.

00:38:18.000 And you have no understanding of what the context is.

00:38:21.000 The battle scenes just show guys kind of running at each other, but there's no actual background as to why these battles are taking place.

00:38:29.000 There's no understanding of what the political situation is, why France is doing these things.

00:38:35.000 It's all, again, it's just all tied to this.

00:38:39.000 The backbone of the whole film really is him being upset at his wife.

00:38:44.000 So I, I mean, this is a man of destiny, as Hegel would call it.

00:38:49.000 He's one of the most interesting people ever.

00:38:52.000 And interestingly enough, he actually treated Jews very, very well.

00:38:55.000 Was that communicated in the film of how he was actually protective of Jews and actually how he hated the Papal States for how they treated Jews?

00:39:08.000 Yeah, there's no explanation of that.

00:39:10.000 There's no explanation of the Napoleonic Code.

00:39:13.000 There's no explanation of the reforms that he put through during his rule.

00:39:17.000 The fact that he was generally a populist while he was in charge.

00:39:22.000 There's no explanation of any of these things, Charlie.

00:39:24.000 It's just he's some nutjob who magically came to power.

00:39:29.000 Like there's even, there's hardly even any other characters in the film, like these, these incredible figures, these world historic figures that set forward, you know, the course of human events from the 18th century or the 19th century, the 1800s.

00:39:44.000 You know, you easily could have had him writing a letter to Thomas Jefferson and talking about the Louisiana Purchase or, you know, having him maybe, I don't know, because at one point he was considering attacking New Spain and really arming the New France, which was later became the Louisiana Purchase.

00:40:03.000 And so at one point, he was actually considering sending troops and mobilizing them to the Americas.

00:40:08.000 It's just imagine what that have meant for American history.

00:40:11.000 We may never have had a civil war.

00:40:13.000 We could have had a war with France.

00:40:14.000 And who knows, right?

00:40:16.000 All the permutations.

00:40:17.000 So Talleyrand, all of the figures, Napoleon's own brother, his family members, they pop up and then they're gone after like one scene.

00:40:26.000 And you're left sitting there that if you don't know the background, because when I go to one of these films, I try to put myself in the perspective of, okay, I'm someone who knows nothing about the subject matter, you know, or like if Tanya's there, I'm just kidding, she actually knows a lot about it.

00:40:41.000 That, you know, that it left you completely, it would have left you completely confused.

00:40:46.000 There's no narrative here whatsoever.

00:40:48.000 It's just jumping around doing everything.

00:40:50.000 Then what is the so what is the consent?

00:40:52.000 Is this considered to be a good film by the regime?

00:40:54.000 I actually haven't seen really great reviews on it.

00:40:56.000 They don't like it for the reasons you don't like it, Jack.

00:40:59.000 Some of them just say that it's confusing, it's sloppy, it's too cute by half.

00:41:03.000 Visually stunning disappointment is actually what a lot of the critics are saying.

00:41:08.000 Yeah, so, and visually, you know, there are some great visuals, but the color scheme is just so drab and gray.

00:41:14.000 It's got that sort of weird Ridley Scott filter on it that makes everything look just like blue and grayed out.

00:41:20.000 It just makes you depressed afterwards.

00:41:22.000 You saw it very depressing.

00:41:22.000 I hate it.

00:41:23.000 No, I didn't see this, but that view is like, yeah, you come out of that.

00:41:28.000 You just feel like, so did you talk about talk, Jack?

00:41:30.000 Yeah, I don't think you touched it, right?

00:41:32.000 But I wanted to tie it.

00:41:33.000 Yeah, I wanted to tie it together.

00:41:34.000 So, you know, your question is, was, does the regime like this movie?

00:41:39.000 And for me, you know, I'm looking at it and the main takeaway that I got is that you had this ending of with this very like baby boomer 1960s, 1970s kind of take that, you know, war is bad and war shouldn't happen.

00:41:54.000 We should just be, you know, against war because all conflict is bad, right?

00:42:00.000 You know, there's one thing to say I stand for peace, but understanding why countries go to war rather than being this like, you know, like a beatnik hippie or something.

00:42:10.000 There's an obvious difference between those two strains of thought.

00:42:13.000 You know, this was, it was feminism.

00:42:15.000 It was progressivism, Ridley Scott just pushing this over and over and saying that, you know, men cannot be, there's no such thing as a great man.

00:42:23.000 And the Telegraph actually kind of gave this away.

00:42:24.000 And so, you know, they said, you know, this is a film that debunks and deconstructs the mythos around great man theory, the great man theory of history.

00:42:33.000 And so I'm watching this film thinking, yeah, it really does seem like there's an attack on men of ambition and trying to get around this idea that great man theory, that, you know, this theory that basically we talk about it all the time, that, you know, soft men, weak men create hard times and then hard men create strong times, that this is strong men create good times, that, and this is perpetuated by these great men.

00:42:56.000 So they do it with Napoleon, and then all of a sudden we see this trailer for Julius Caesar.

00:43:02.000 We have that too.

00:43:03.000 Do we have that trailer?

00:43:04.000 Okay, I think it's 94.

00:43:06.000 But it's more of a BBC special, isn't it?

00:43:08.000 I don't know if that's a movie.

00:43:10.000 It's the story of Caesar.

00:43:12.000 Most extraordinary political story in Western history.

00:43:16.000 Julius Caesar is the most dangerous kind of demagogue. 0.97

00:43:20.000 He's immoral. 1.00

00:43:21.000 He's irreligious. 1.00

00:43:22.000 He wants to rule right.

00:43:23.000 The city is uncontrollable.

00:43:28.000 Democracy has to be fought for.

00:43:30.000 Take it for granted.

00:43:32.000 A new Caesar will come.

00:43:38.000 I see.

00:43:38.000 So, what you're getting at, Jack, is that Napoleon, Caesar, there's this subgenre of content where they're trying to lay the foundation that the right is trying to prop up an authoritarian problem solver, and they're trying to pepper the landscape with this sort of, you know, predictive programming.

00:44:01.000 Hyper-masculine, you know, we have to, democracy is some sort of a shared group dynamic that we must protect.

00:44:11.000 Yeah, and it's very, it's very much more explicit when you see the Julius Caesar trailer here.

00:44:16.000 And I mean, and she says it, right?

00:44:18.000 We must protect democracy from another Julius Caesar coming, the rise of, you know, the rise of the next dictator.

00:44:27.000 And by the way, at the end of, and shout out to Mr. Regrove for pointing this out on his review of Napoleon, because there's even a scene, believe it or not, at the end of Napoleon that is a very obvious reference to Andrew Tate, right?

00:44:44.000 Like, like something that you'd never think that would, you know, fit itself into a historic, you know, historical narrative, historic fiction of one of these biopics.

00:44:54.000 But there's a scene where Napoleon, so it's after Waterloo, and they have Napoleon, and he's about to be exiled for the second time, this time to St. Helena's off the coast of Africa.

00:45:07.000 And they go to the very back of the ship, or I should say the aftmost position on the ship, and they find Napoleon eating breakfast, and it's like a traditional British breakfast, and you talk about how good it is.

00:45:20.000 And he's surrounded by these young midshipmen.

00:45:23.000 And midshipmen are officers in training.

00:45:25.000 So you haven't joined the Navy yet, but you're sort of coming up through the academy.

00:45:29.000 You're coming up, even the Naval Academy today.

00:45:30.000 We call them midshipmen.

00:45:32.000 And they're surrounding Napoleon, and he's regaling them with his stories.

00:45:37.000 And then the Duke of Wellington comes up and says, What's this all about?

00:45:41.000 And they say, Oh, the youth, they love Napoleon.

00:45:45.000 And Wellington kind of goes, That brute, get them out of there.

00:45:48.000 And this is clearly a reference to Andrew Tate and the way that Andrew Tate, who in their view is this model of hyper-toxic masculinity, who is completely evil.

00:46:01.000 And the only people that it resonates with, again, are young males.

00:46:08.000 I want to chime in here, actually, because this, Jack, you touched on it, but I think we could make more of a point on it.

00:46:14.000 The great man theory is really what's under attack here.

00:46:17.000 I mean, I went to the University of Washington, Seattle, right?

00:46:20.000 And I remember, and this is, you know, years ago, not to date myself, but they're giving me a tour of the school.

00:46:26.000 And the most beautiful building on campus is the Sousala Library.

00:46:30.000 And it's got all these great white men, thinkers of Western society and history up at the top of this statues of them.

00:46:38.000 And I remember the tour guide says, well, they're all old white men, so like, who really cares?

00:46:41.000 But it's still a beautiful building.

00:46:43.000 That's years ago now.

00:46:45.000 That's years ago now.

00:46:47.000 And what we have is Caesar, who, you know, the Guardian is saying, is like, is it an echo of Trump to come?

00:46:55.000 And then, you know, there's other headlines that read, you know, is Trump the heir of Caesar?

00:47:00.000 This sort of thing.

00:47:01.000 This is all being telegraphed.

00:47:02.000 I think your take here is spot on.

00:47:04.000 But the great man theory is that great men, you don't have to place a value judgment on their actions or even the product of their actions, but great men can bend history to their will, right?

00:47:17.000 So they will overcome obstacles and then bend the trajectory of human history, which is objectively a good thing.

00:47:26.000 But this is also why they hate Elon Musk, right?

00:47:29.000 So Elon Musk is another white man that is bending history. 0.72

00:47:32.000 I mean, he went out and did the unthinkable and bought X and very well might be a defining moment in human history because it might allow this populist revolt and revolution that's happening across the globe to take root intellectually, ideologically, in the minds of many more people.

00:47:49.000 So I think this idea that it's fallen out of favor is very key.

00:47:54.000 So Hollywood is actively working on an assault campaign subconsciously that most people will not pick up, right?

00:48:03.000 They'll just see in Donald Trump and think, oh, I better have trepidation before I pull the, you know, pull the lever for Trump because he is this proto-fascist, dictatorial-minded person, right?

00:48:16.000 It doesn't matter if it's rooted in truth.

00:48:18.000 It's an ideological subversion that is absolutely 100%, I think, intentional.

00:48:24.000 And even if it's not intentional, it just shows deeply how the subconscious of the left works and how afraid they are that they are losing power.

00:48:35.000 So this great man theory, I think you can't make too much of it.

00:48:38.000 It's an assault against masculinity.

00:48:40.000 It's assault against white men.

00:48:41.000 It's an assault against the West, all rolled into one. 0.92

00:48:44.000 So it's a brilliant take.

00:48:46.000 I've loved your social media takes on it, Jag.

00:48:48.000 So hats.

00:48:49.000 No, thank you.

00:48:50.000 And I appreciate that.

00:48:51.000 And Charlie, I'd ask you about this because, you know, really the opposite of this is what is the opposite of the great man theory is sort of, you know, and the great man theory, I think, is best summed up as history is the history of great men, right?

00:49:07.000 When you read about history, you're reading history of great men.

00:49:09.000 But the opposite of sort of great man governance, if you want to have that argument, is the longhouse, the longhouse system.

00:49:18.000 Charlie, what is the longhouse?

00:49:20.000 I don't know.

00:49:21.000 Have I mentioned that before?

00:49:24.000 Well, we mentioned it before a little bit, but it's just sort of the safetyism, right?

00:49:29.000 So the long house is okay.

00:49:31.000 Yeah, I see what you're saying.

00:49:32.000 Right, right.

00:49:32.000 Got it.

00:49:33.000 The idea, the system of consensus, I have to say it's very feminine-coded. 1.00

00:49:39.000 This idea that everything has to be consensus.

00:49:41.000 This is where you should.

00:49:42.000 So your vestiges of law, et cetera, et cetera.

00:49:46.000 So pop culture and media and academia, they're very focused on trying to make people afraid of what happens when a society gets too masculine.

00:49:54.000 So the Napoleon movie, The Undercurrent, is this what happens?

00:49:58.000 This is toxic masculinity, right?

00:49:59.000 Unchecked masculinity. 0.99

00:50:00.000 So your boys should wear dresses or else they'll become Napoleon.

00:50:03.000 That is effectively the story.

00:50:06.000 And same with Julius Caesar and all that.

00:50:08.000 But then we don't ask the question: what happens if a society gets too feminine and gets too shared about our feelings? 1.00

00:50:14.000 And there's the overemphasis on democracy is a feminine hyperfixation. 1.00

00:50:21.000 It just is.

00:50:22.000 Which you think about it, it's like we need to share our feelings and we need to kind of gather around a table and I'll have all this talk.

00:50:31.000 Again, I'm not necessarily against democracy and the ideal.

00:50:33.000 I just think democracy is a really bad idea.

00:50:35.000 Representative government is a good idea.

00:50:37.000 Democracy is a bad idea.

00:50:39.000 But unfortunately, they will not, not unfortunately, the entire intellectual and ideological kind of regime right now refuses to acknowledge that most times history, including civilization, comes down to small groups of alpha men to break things so that you can have peace.

00:51:00.000 And that is Washington, Lincoln, Churchill, Patton.

00:51:04.000 Like those are four off the top of my head.

00:51:06.000 And they were on most of them, Washington being excluded, but Lincoln especially and Churchill were incredibly unpopular before the crisis, unpopular after the crisis, but incredibly necessary during the crisis.

00:51:20.000 And democracy is, again, not sustainable, bad idea.

00:51:26.000 You get tyranny out of democracy.

00:51:28.000 But this idea that you're somehow going to be able to fix all of our ills and all of our problems by sitting around a table and sharing your feelings, what's hilarious is that you actually end up getting something closer to the tyranny that they say that they do not want.

00:51:44.000 It just looks differently and it calls itself something different.

00:51:48.000 And, you know, Jack, I think you would agree, the best is in the balance between the feminine and the masculine.

00:51:55.000 If you were to ask somebody, what does a society look like if it becomes too feminine? 0.93

00:52:02.000 They would fumble over their words.

00:52:05.000 Well, I think it would look a lot like our society today, is the obvious answer.

00:52:09.000 Oh, of course.

00:52:10.000 So everyone's own truth, no reason, high fixation on the pathos and not the logos that we're living through.

00:52:10.000 Right.

00:52:19.000 We have a country.

00:52:21.000 We were a country that was founded in war, in a rebellion against the current government of the land.

00:52:31.000 You know, where I sit here on the East Coast, you know, this was all part of the British Empire.

00:52:35.000 These were British colonies and British citizens under the British crown who decided to rebel against it.

00:52:42.000 Then we got to the point where we were a country where the sitting current vice president of the United States challenged the Secretary of the Treasury to a duel to the death, shot and killed him.

00:52:56.000 Never faced any charges for this.

00:52:58.000 It was totally understood.

00:52:59.000 This was perfectly acceptable for two men to sort out their differences through armed combat. 0.98

00:53:07.000 He did so, shot and killed him.

00:53:09.000 Again, one of, by all accounts, one of our founding fathers by any measure, Alexander Hamilton.

00:53:15.000 And now we are a country that puts warning labels on shampoo bottles.

00:53:22.000 I want to make a point on this Caesar thing, though.

00:53:25.000 If you look back at that trailer, Charlie, you triggered this thought for me.

00:53:28.000 You're talking about the mask and the feminine. 0.78

00:53:30.000 You actually listen to the man in that trailer who's super smart, by the way.

00:53:35.000 He's saying something that's sort of broad and you could interpret it either way, but it's just an interesting observation.

00:53:40.000 The two women, not trying to be offensive here, but they don't seem like they were maybe, you know, of, let's just say they're people of color, right?

00:53:50.000 And yet they're talking about this very masculine man that's, you know, taking, they are incredibly fearful of this person, Caesar.

00:54:02.000 They say, I mean, if you would play that clip back, and we don't have to, but you will notice a distinct tonal change between the two women.

00:54:10.000 Okay, 94.

00:54:11.000 Yeah, but just before you start, the guy's great.

00:54:14.000 His name's Tom Holland.

00:54:15.000 He wrote an amazing book called Dominion.

00:54:17.000 He's actually a secular defender of Christianity.

00:54:19.000 So I want to make sure everyone, he's probably great in a documentary.

00:54:22.000 But yeah, please continue.

00:54:23.000 I like him a lot.

00:54:24.000 I think it's clip 94.

00:54:26.000 Story of Caesar, most extraordinary political story in Western history.

00:54:31.000 Julius Caesar is the most dangerous kind of demagogue. 0.97

00:54:35.000 He's immoral. 1.00

00:54:36.000 He's irreligious. 1.00

00:54:37.000 He wants to rule Rome.

00:54:38.000 The city is uncontrollable.

00:54:43.000 Democracy has to be fought for.

00:54:45.000 Take it for granted.

00:54:47.000 A new Caesar will come.

00:54:50.000 So look, Blake's not here, so I'm going to fumble over this.

00:54:54.000 But the prerequisite that led to Caesar is not going to be articulated in that at all.

00:55:00.000 Okay, the Republic was falling apart well before Caesar came.

00:55:03.000 He just cared about Rome so much that he wanted to keep it together.

00:55:06.000 And Caesar was some good, some great, some excellent, some not so good.

00:55:12.000 But it's without a doubt he was an unbelievably effective leader in history, no doubt.

00:55:18.000 And he's worthy of study.

00:55:19.000 And he was betrayed by the people closest to him.

00:55:22.000 Jack, he was loved by the people of Rome, wasn't he?

00:55:26.000 Julius Caesar was loved.

00:55:29.000 So, this whole idea of democracy must be fought for.

00:55:32.000 Hold on, the people loved him.

00:55:33.000 You know who hated him?

00:55:33.000 The ruling class.

00:55:34.000 That's why they killed him. 0.77

00:55:35.000 The ruling class killed Caesar. 0.69

00:55:37.000 The elites killed Caesar.

00:55:38.000 They killed him, Charlie.

00:55:39.000 That's the key word here.

00:55:40.000 They killed him.

00:55:42.000 And hat tip to Angelo for making the connection.

00:55:45.000 But one of our producers, I mean, if we're really going to extend the fact that this is an echo of Trump, now, first of all, you've got Dan Goldman, the heir to Silver Spoon heir to the Levi Strauss fortune, saying Trump has to be eliminated, right?

00:56:02.000 You've got a lot of people basically saying, you know, all of these lawsuits aren't working.

00:56:08.000 I mean, everybody's openly questioning the fact: are they going to come for Trump?

00:56:12.000 And then you and then you tie in multiple articles, Guardian on Down, about how this is all an echo.

00:56:18.000 Caesar was an echo of Trump.

00:56:19.000 Well, Caesar was assassinated.

00:56:22.000 So all I'm saying is yes, no, that's right. 0.93

00:56:25.000 They're going to try to kill. 1.00

00:56:26.000 We've said for a while, they're going to try to kill Trump. 0.98

00:56:30.000 Somebody, one of us here attended a certain play in Central Park a few years back where they took Julius Caesar, right, and portrayed him as Donald Trump.

00:56:45.000 And they had a Melania.

00:56:47.000 They were doing bathtub scenes together.

00:56:49.000 And every single night, night after night after night, they were stabbing Donald Trump to death on that stage in Central Park.

00:56:57.000 And let me tell you, when I went there to disrupt this, which was right after Steve Scalise was shot by a rabid, frothing-at-the-mouth MSNBC Russia Gator, that I said, you know, this is the normalization of political violence.

00:57:13.000 You're normalizing this, and you are all reminiscent of Joseph Goebbels.

00:57:17.000 Goebbels would be proud because you're sitting there cheering, clapping, laughing, by the way, laughing as a guy who's your stand-in for the president of the United States.

00:57:28.000 And we're talking like Quentin Tarantino levels of blood on this stage, and the crowd couldn't get, they couldn't get more of it.

00:57:37.000 Yeah, and I mean, this is an infinitely deep topic that we can keep going into.

00:57:42.000 But again, the American founding, America was founded by men of destiny, as Hegel would say, men that decided to stand up against evil and do good.

00:57:52.000 And at the very least, look, Napoleon, I know very little about him.

00:57:58.000 Blake knows a lot about him.

00:57:59.000 Who met Hegel, by the way?

00:58:00.000 Yeah, which, again, that's its own thing.

00:58:03.000 But he's definitely somebody that, if properly portrayed, you get, there are some virtues to Napoleon.

00:58:11.000 Of course there is.

00:58:12.000 And then there's some, okay, you get, you get, it was an outgrowth of the French Revolution.

00:58:16.000 Hilariously, Jack, in that movie, did they talk about the excesses of the French Revolution?

00:58:23.000 Do they talk about the first scene?

00:58:27.000 The Jacobins and Roussoian and.

00:58:30.000 Oh, yeah.

00:58:31.000 Okay, well, then that's fair because that's exactly what it is.

00:58:36.000 It starts out that it's not going to be, you know, you think it's actually good for the first couple, like the first 20 minutes or so, are fine.

00:58:43.000 So it's Marie Antoinette.

00:58:45.000 And you can see that they've decided to, you know, go ahead and execute the queen of France or, you know, the deposed queen of France at this point.

00:58:53.000 And then it cuts to, you know, it cuts to Robespierre.

00:58:57.000 And he's Robespierre.

00:58:59.000 Yeah.

00:59:00.000 He's screaming and he's in, you know, he's in that court, the people's court that they set up, right?

00:59:05.000 It's interesting, by the way, how you have all these Marxian-style names, even though this is, you know, years, like 50 years before Marx, or more, though, maybe 75 years before Marx.

00:59:15.000 And he's up there saying they, you know, mercy.

00:59:19.000 Shall we show mercy to the elites?

00:59:22.000 Mercy to the 1%? 0.99

00:59:24.000 No, I say mercy for the poor, mercy for the oppressed, mercy for the downtrodden.

00:59:31.000 That is where my mercy goes.

00:59:32.000 No mercy to the rulers.

00:59:35.000 And whenever you rise up like that, as opposed to the American Revolution, which was, as you say, as we've said it here, American nationalist elites leading the country, not a complete just execution of the previous ruling class, that's what you get into.

00:59:54.000 And so they depict, and it's documented that Napoleon was there for a number of the executions from the guillotine in France.

01:00:03.000 So he's there watching and quite upset about this.

01:00:09.000 And then they kind of show how that Robespierre himself gets, you know, gets taken out.

01:00:14.000 And then it gets up to the basically the mob of 1795 when basically when the mob then turns itself on the new French government and they turn to who someone at the time, I think it was a commander, 0.88

01:00:30.000 Commander Napoleon, to say, hey, you need to stop this mob because these guys, it's like a BLM riot, basically, where, you know, or an Antifa riot because I guess they're all white, where they're about to smash down and kill everybody in the center. 0.75

01:00:46.000 And Napoleon famously says, what shall we do? 0.98

01:00:50.000 We should disperse the mob with a whiff of grape shot and killed over 100 of them. 0.99

01:00:57.000 Everybody, stay right there. 0.99

01:00:58.000 We have one more topic, I think, to cover.

01:01:00.000 Jack, that was great.

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01:02:20.000 All right, Tyler, I'll let you take the lead on this, but Jack, can you set Tyler up on this single issue?

01:02:24.000 Can I just to blame my last on the previous?

01:02:28.000 Napoleon had just become a general on this date when he stopped the mob.

01:02:34.000 And that, of course, was basically it's considered the end of the French Revolution and the beginning of whatever came next.

01:02:41.000 So we're doing Hanksgiving, right?

01:02:45.000 No, it says single issue op.

01:02:48.000 Oh, single issue op.

01:02:48.000 Oh, excuse me.

01:02:50.000 You just revealed this.

01:02:51.000 Yeah, this is Tyler.

01:02:51.000 Just ignore that.

01:02:52.000 I know, I did.

01:02:53.000 I did.

01:02:54.000 I thought we said last.

01:02:55.000 That's what got me thinking that.

01:02:56.000 Okay, so we are going into the single issue op.

01:03:00.000 And we've talked about this for a while.

01:03:02.000 Tyler, you have a whole side podcast now where you basically talk about this nonstop, how the Democrats have turned single-issue voters into a ballot-harvesting social media machine utilizing TikTok, use elect utilizing all sorts of new media.

01:03:20.000 The Republicans, our side, seem to be asleep at the wheel.

01:03:25.000 Yeah, I mean, this is where it's at.

01:03:27.000 I think that the original, where do we prompt from this?

01:03:30.000 Wasn't there an article or something that we dropped in about this?

01:03:32.000 Jack, something about black voters, right, Jack? 1.00

01:03:34.000 Isn't that the genesis of this or something?

01:03:37.000 Where did this originally this topic came out of?

01:03:40.000 Wasn't this rumor?

01:03:42.000 Well, the black voter, we were talking about the Trump and the BLM stuff, and we were questioning whether or not it made sense to put a lot of time and money into chasing BLM endorsements for the 2024 race.

01:03:58.000 And I said, please, God, no, for the love of God, no.

01:04:00.000 It just, it's a complete waste of time.

01:04:02.000 I mean, not that it's a waste of time and money.

01:04:04.000 Like, sure, go ahead.

01:04:05.000 You want everyone to support you.

01:04:06.000 But if you're going to actually be committing resources to something, I would really love to find a way to turn these single-issue voters for our side.

01:04:15.000 The same way the left has done this in state after state using the abortion issue.

01:04:19.000 They're using referendums in all of the Rust Belt states.

01:04:22.000 We're going to see a ton of these.

01:04:23.000 They've used these to great effect in places like Ohio, Michigan, Kansas.

01:04:27.000 That we need to find something like that and find a way to replicate that on our side for 2024 in key states with our issues.

01:04:34.000 Yeah.

01:04:34.000 And it's really simple to, if you think about it, this is, I mean, this is what they've done.

01:04:40.000 So the explanation for people, and people don't get this.

01:04:43.000 I think I tweeted this out not that long ago.

01:04:44.000 People were like, oh my gosh, I just realized this.

01:04:48.000 We don't live in the same America anymore because big tech and technology in general and the Democrat Party have made it so that it's pretty accessible to find out who your neighbors like religiously, who your neighbors like politically, and everything else in their own personal life.

01:05:07.000 So you know more personally about your neighbors.

01:05:10.000 If you really want to know, like it's not that hard to figure out now, you know everything about them.

01:05:15.000 Well, to think that that doesn't spill over into how the left is operating politically, that is insane.

01:05:22.000 And our side just isn't doing any of it, right?

01:05:25.000 So you look at this and you go, okay, well, what is the left actually doing right now?

01:05:29.000 Well, they're not going, they're not chasing ballots.

01:05:33.000 They're not trying to convert ballots of people who are regular voters that are independents.

01:05:39.000 So if you're an independent and you're a 404 voter, which they call that, you voted in the last four elections, they're actually not even, they're not bothering with you, right?

01:05:48.000 If they find out that you like love the Democrats now or whatever, then they'll bother with you.

01:05:52.000 But in general, they're not going to screw with you because they know you're going to vote.

01:05:56.000 And it doesn't matter.

01:05:57.000 What they're interested in is go to the people who don't care about their ballot anymore, people who have no interest in it.

01:06:03.000 And this explains exactly why they're trying to flood the zone with ballots.

01:06:07.000 Why are they trying to institute automatic ballots to every single person in the state?

01:06:12.000 Yeah, I mean, to limit the enthusiasm gap.

01:06:16.000 Because it just increases the sea of people who don't care about voting.

01:06:20.000 Yeah, the volume.

01:06:20.000 Yeah.

01:06:20.000 The volume is out there.

01:06:22.000 It's like, now if we have an extra million voters that don't give a crap about voting, well, now we can go to those people and do what? 0.55

01:06:30.000 One is peer pressure them with personal relationships, or two, try to win them over on one issue, one issue alone. 0.93

01:06:39.000 And so we look at this.

01:06:40.000 I think we looked at the original.

01:06:41.000 I think I actually sent over the article.

01:06:43.000 I'm mistaken.

01:06:44.000 I don't think it was Blank.

01:06:44.000 I think it was me.

01:06:45.000 But it was like, abortion is like, I think the article that I sent over was like...

01:06:49.000 It's one in four.

01:06:51.000 Yeah.

01:06:52.000 It's the number one issue.

01:06:53.000 It's a single issue for one in four Democrats.

01:06:56.000 That's right.

01:06:56.000 So, all they're doing is they're looking at, okay, what are the most important single issues for our side?

01:07:02.000 And they're going, okay, well, for our side, it's abortion, having the ability to access abortion in my state.

01:07:09.000 So, we know that one in four hits, that's going to land with people who don't care about voting.

01:07:16.000 And our side has those issues.

01:07:17.000 We just don't talk about them.

01:07:19.000 We don't talk about it.

01:07:19.000 Tyler, Tyler.

01:07:21.000 What is for the people that don't care about voting, but are either center-right, you know, libertarian, conservative-leaning people that don't care about voting, right?

01:07:30.000 So, it's a whole different, it's a whole different subset, cohort, right?

01:07:34.000 What would be an issue that they care about singularly that for people that don't really care about voting but lean our way?

01:07:41.000 What's the counterpoint?

01:07:44.000 Yeah, guns have always been there, but guns is closest.

01:07:46.000 This is why they've attacked guns so much.

01:07:48.000 Guns moves voters the same way abortion does because it's the government taking something from you from you.

01:07:53.000 We talked about this not that long ago and that there's a power in that. 1.00

01:07:56.000 Football, like stupid stuff. 0.99

01:07:58.000 I mean, you really think about this. 1.00

01:07:59.000 Like, there's things sports, hunting, guns, and we just talked about it today in the chat.

01:08:05.000 Transing your kids. 0.99

01:08:06.000 Transing your kids is now a thing. 0.99

01:08:09.000 Government taking something from you.

01:08:10.000 Again, I think power issue of immigration.

01:08:14.000 Yes, it's just it needs to be done.

01:08:16.000 It only is power crime in general if you go super basic.

01:08:19.000 But I would argue that it must be a no-nuance or else I would argue that's the reason why Trump got popular, though, was because he made the wall issue, like simplifying the wall issue so easy.

01:08:32.000 He made it tangible.

01:08:33.000 Wait, made it tangible and people like gravity.

01:08:35.000 Oh, I can visualize that.

01:08:36.000 Yeah, because Charlie, what you're saying is that people, when they're losing something, the government taking something from you.

01:08:43.000 Joe Biden, think about it.

01:08:45.000 You could keep your doctor.

01:08:46.000 You can't keep your doctor.

01:08:47.000 Tyler brought that up.

01:08:48.000 That destroyed the Massachusetts Senate race with Scott Brown.

01:08:52.000 The politics of taking is very, very hard to beat.

01:08:57.000 We win when we frame things as them taking stuff from you.

01:09:01.000 They win when they frame stuff as we taking stuff from them.

01:09:06.000 They're taking our country away from us.

01:09:08.000 I think the visceral.

01:09:10.000 I know, exactly.

01:09:10.000 That's why the wall was such a great way to put it, because it made it, it sort of focused your ire on something else.

01:09:18.000 But I mean, I think what's emotionally happening with a lot of Americans, and by the way, you could pull this year after year after year for the last 20 years.

01:09:25.000 Immigration wins. 1.00

01:09:27.000 Immigration, mass migration, mass deportation, however you want to think about it.

01:09:32.000 It is a very popular political issue because people can see with their own eyes.

01:09:36.000 The country that I'm living in now is not like the country I grew up in.

01:09:40.000 It's not as good, actually.

01:09:42.000 I don't feel as comfortable.

01:09:44.000 It's this cultural displacement that people feel innately.

01:09:49.000 It's a very visceral, personal thing.

01:09:51.000 And yet you're right that it's harder to sort of sum it up into a slogan.

01:09:56.000 It's harder to message on it, but it's very popular.

01:10:00.000 Abortion also just, it's an unfair topic because it involves sex. 0.64

01:10:05.000 Let's just be honest, right? 1.00

01:10:06.000 It's the number one thing that sells in girls. 1.00

01:10:10.000 It involves girls. 1.00

01:10:14.000 It's unique.

01:10:14.000 There's nothing like it.

01:10:15.000 Guns is the only thing close.

01:10:17.000 Guns for men is guns is the same thing. 1.00

01:10:19.000 But more girls care about abortion than guys care about guns at this point because of the feminization of ability. 0.57

01:10:24.000 And there's no, and I, again, I've asked Isabel Brown for advice and Alex Clark, God bless them both.

01:10:29.000 And I show them these videos and these women come up to me and they say, you as a man are not allowed to have an opinion about this topic.

01:10:35.000 Like at this point, like there's that's not a conversation, right?

01:10:37.000 So the first question is, are you a lesbian? 0.68

01:10:39.000 Yeah, of course. 0.50

01:10:40.000 And half of those are the same.

01:10:42.000 And the answer is yes.

01:10:43.000 It's like, yeah, don't have to.

01:10:44.000 You don't have to worry about it.

01:10:45.000 Well, you don't have the right to opinion.

01:10:47.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:10:48.000 And you probably worry about it.

01:10:51.000 This is what we were talking about earlier, where Trump in 2016, I think rightfully, decided to choose, like a general would, decided to focus on avenues of attack that were most strategic and advantageous to his own victory.

01:11:05.000 He looked at that issue and said, you know, this is something where I'm going to, you know, we're going to put some effort towards this, but it's not going to be the, it's not going to be the access point.

01:11:14.000 It's not going to be the main avenue of attack.

01:11:17.000 And I think he realized, and you're seeing that now as well, where he's saying, look, we got Roe v. Wade done.

01:11:22.000 Now it's at the state level.

01:11:23.000 It should stay at the state level.

01:11:25.000 And then he moves the topic to something else.

01:11:27.000 I think there's wisdom in that.

01:11:29.000 And I think that's something from a political standpoint, a strategic political standpoint, something that the conservatives should be doing.

01:11:36.000 So we fought for years to put this at the state level.

01:11:39.000 That's where it is now.

01:11:40.000 That's where it should be.

01:11:41.000 Yeah.

01:11:41.000 So what Tyler's getting at, though, is with technology and bodies, you can micro-target.

01:11:47.000 The Democrats are thrilled because they have an issue that all it takes is a single point of contact.

01:11:53.000 Easy. 0.99

01:11:54.000 So you knock on a door, you're in South Scottsdale, you got some 23-year-old girl, she's having tons of sex, right? 0.98

01:12:00.000 She doesn't have a boyfriend. 0.98

01:12:01.000 And you say, hey, Republicans want to take your abortion away.

01:12:04.000 Let me get my piece of paper.

01:12:04.000 Oh, my goodness.

01:12:05.000 I'll totally submit my ballot.

01:12:06.000 I don't usually vote.

01:12:08.000 I don't usually vote, but it's like, it's super easy activation.

01:12:11.000 You'll help me about it.

01:12:12.000 It's a one-to-one ballot, right?

01:12:13.000 It's all it's otherwise.

01:12:14.000 We have to go knock on a door in Queen Creek.

01:12:16.000 You know, I have to like dodge, you know, being shot at and be like, hey, you should fill in your piece of paper.

01:12:21.000 The election's rigged.

01:12:22.000 Like, okay, great.

01:12:23.000 Like, you know, it's a harder sell.

01:12:25.000 It is a harder sell.

01:12:26.000 Not impossible.

01:12:28.000 My argument would be that it's actually not as hard because what we're finding in our data is that the places that have the lowest, the greatest amount of low propensity of voters for Republicans are in rural areas.

01:12:43.000 So it's just people who are too lazy or just don't care or they think their vote doesn't matter.

01:12:48.000 And so these people just, all they need is basically a nudge and knock on the door to say, hey, I kind of know you or I'm from the neighborhood.

01:12:56.000 And I'm more that that alone is the first step.

01:12:59.000 It's the same concept as, again, Mary K sales or trying to sell Tupperware door to door or buying the cookies from the kid that's on the football team in your neighborhood.

01:13:08.000 Why are you going to do it?

01:13:09.000 You're going to do it because he lives on your, he lives in your neighborhood.

01:13:12.000 You kind of care about him, but you don't really care about the cookies.

01:13:15.000 You just want to just want to do it to get him off your doorstep and maintain the personal relationship.

01:13:20.000 Tyler, this is where you're the best at, man.

01:13:22.000 Honestly, like, Tyler, you deserve a lot of credit for what you're spearheading at turning point action.

01:13:27.000 But I mean, you're totally right.

01:13:29.000 And I think maybe the answer is that there's not one single issue on the right that's going to be equivalent to abortion on the left.

01:13:35.000 Maybe you have to sort of scatter shot this because, you know, there's some stats that show that 50% of hunters in like Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania are not registered to vote.

01:13:48.000 50% of hunters.

01:13:49.000 Yeah.

01:13:50.000 Or don't because they just want to live off the grid.

01:13:52.000 It's like it's because they just want to live off the grid.

01:13:56.000 And you could argue that the NRA hasn't really done its job well enough in those key target areas.

01:14:00.000 Right.

01:14:01.000 And it's like, you know, and the NRA has been going through some stuff, right?

01:14:05.000 So we know that's what they targeted them for a reason, though.

01:14:08.000 But look, I mean, the whole point is, is like, there's, it's not enough to just be an NRA member.

01:14:12.000 You got to get them out to vote.

01:14:14.000 Yes.

01:14:14.000 But think about how smart the left is.

01:14:15.000 And we have to conclude this in a second.

01:14:16.000 They're like, okay, what's the one issue that's close to abortion for us?

01:14:20.000 And they went after the NRA with Letitia James, New York Attorney General, lawfare, Russia stuff.

01:14:20.000 Guns.

01:14:26.000 And with women, right? 1.00

01:14:28.000 Like they use the women angle with the kids in schools. 0.97

01:14:31.000 Yes, of course. 1.00

01:14:32.000 And this is like my wife is like a pro-gun Bloomberg, hundreds of millions of dollars. 0.90

01:14:37.000 Yes. 1.00

01:14:37.000 She's every town, whatever it's called. 1.00

01:14:39.000 She's influenced so much by the marketing about protective kids.

01:14:43.000 I get pushed these ads.

01:14:44.000 I'm like watching YouTube videos about Oregon football.

01:14:47.000 And I get this guy. 0.98

01:14:48.000 My daughter was a Sandy hook. 0.97

01:14:50.000 I'm like, what in the hell am I getting this ad for? 0.62

01:14:52.000 It's crazy.

01:14:52.000 And by the way, they're powerful ads.

01:14:54.000 They're powerful.

01:14:55.000 I mean, for me, I'm not exactly, you know, touchy-feely.

01:14:57.000 I'm like, that's kind of a powerful ad.

01:14:59.000 It's a hugely powerful ad.

01:15:00.000 And then it's like, you know, Oregon football.

01:15:01.000 I said, why am I getting that ad?

01:15:03.000 I would make the argument here, actually, as part of this, is that that's why we need to focus on different subjects.

01:15:09.000 I'm not suggesting that guns aren't a good subject.

01:15:12.000 I just, I don't know how, what other topics are there that.

01:15:15.000 Well, we have a couple that have come up, and this is where Jack and you are kind of right about things that could go adversely for us in this next election.

01:15:23.000 And I hate putting this out in the public, but like, you know, targeting people who are anti-vax, anti-COVID, like lockdowns.

01:15:32.000 Vaccine's a big one.

01:15:33.000 Like that, if that could really screw us.

01:15:37.000 Medical is our abortion. 0.73

01:15:38.000 Trump has to go.

01:15:40.000 Yeah.

01:15:41.000 Trump has to go full on that because that's, and you brought up the trans in the kids in schools. 1.00

01:15:47.000 That's an extraordinarily effective conversation with women.

01:15:50.000 The trans thing is the closest thing I've, by the way. 1.00

01:15:53.000 So this is what drives me nuts, these lunatics. 1.00

01:15:53.000 With women? 1.00

01:15:56.000 They've never spoken in front of a live event.

01:15:58.000 I think I do more live speaking events than anybody else.

01:16:00.000 Anyone else in the country?

01:16:01.000 And so I read audiences.

01:16:02.000 And so I go to these churches and I say, you know, we repealed Roe versus Wade.

01:16:06.000 No, no, no, it's unbelievable.

01:16:06.000 Gulf of Plus.

01:16:08.000 And then I say, they're trans in our kids.

01:16:12.000 And they're like, we should not let this happen.

01:16:14.000 There is more enthusiasm.

01:16:15.000 There is more public comfortability, right?

01:16:18.000 100%.

01:16:18.000 On the anti-trans thing.

01:16:20.000 And I'm telling you, it doesn't matter if I'm in Spokane.

01:16:22.000 It doesn't matter if I'm Madison, Wisconsin.

01:16:24.000 I thought the trans thing, they're interested.

01:16:26.000 They're engaged.

01:16:28.000 They're comfortable.

01:16:28.000 The abortion thing, they say, it's a ticking move.

01:16:31.000 Move on.

01:16:31.000 They're like, move on.

01:16:32.000 They're like, they're like, move on.

01:16:33.000 They don't want to talk about it.

01:16:34.000 The church does not want to talk about the abortion thing.

01:16:36.000 And the Democrats know this about the trans thing.

01:16:38.000 This is the reason why.

01:16:40.000 This is right.

01:16:41.000 This is the reason why they dodge and Bob and we don't want to debate.

01:16:45.000 So do you want to know something even crazier?

01:16:46.000 So we're at war with YouTube.

01:16:49.000 We do not get a strike or anything on any abortion content.

01:16:52.000 Nothing.

01:16:53.000 Our abortion content, they let us do whatever we want.

01:16:55.000 The trans stuff is where we get all of our hate. 1.00

01:16:57.000 All of our hate speech strikes are trans stuff because they know the trans issue is a liability for them. 0.99

01:17:03.000 Transing your kids, I think, can become our abortion. 1.00

01:17:07.000 Like, especially for lower income Hispanics and blacks, I really think so. 1.00

01:17:11.000 Well, most importantly, with women.

01:17:13.000 Well, yes.

01:17:14.000 I mean, because then it's tribal.

01:17:15.000 They're taking something from you.

01:17:17.000 They're going to take your children away from you.

01:17:17.000 Yeah.

01:17:20.000 And they're going to turn your son into a daughter. 0.95

01:17:22.000 You're taking your kids away from you.

01:17:24.000 And guess what? 1.00

01:17:25.000 There is a greater chance to a female.

01:17:28.000 They don't want to hear this. 0.99

01:17:29.000 There's a greater chance, female voter, your kid will be trans than your daughter will ever need an abortion. 0.84

01:17:35.000 And because a lot of suburban moms vote for abortion because they want it as an insurance policy, right, Andrew?

01:17:41.000 This is Santa Barbara 101, right? 1.00

01:17:43.000 They want it as an insurance policy in case their daughter gets knocked up after prom night in high school.

01:17:48.000 A lot of people, I think, I think you've said this before on the show.

01:17:48.000 Yeah.

01:17:51.000 A lot of people have an uncomfortable detente with abortion.

01:17:57.000 Like they don't love it.

01:17:58.000 They don't want to talk about it.

01:17:59.000 They don't celebrate it.

01:18:00.000 Very private.

01:18:01.000 Yes.

01:18:02.000 Also, secretly in their heart of hearts are like, yeah, but like I could see an instance where somebody, you know, I don't want to tell them that they can or my daughter or whatever.

01:18:11.000 So that is probably the vast majority of people that when they go to the polling in Montana or Kansas or Ohio, where we see these initiatives fail, that's really what's, I think, the psychology at play with abortion.

01:18:24.000 A lot of people don't like it.

01:18:25.000 They just don't want the government to like necessarily get involved and tell them they can't, right?

01:18:30.000 And, you know, I think we're going to have to confront this, though.

01:18:34.000 And this is one of the things that the RNC should be doing.

01:18:37.000 We should all be getting the best minds in the movement together.

01:18:40.000 You, Walsh, Boyer, Pesobic, everybody, and say, listen, they're putting this on the ballot in Arizona.

01:18:47.000 They're putting this on the ballot in, I think it's going to be some of the other swing states.

01:18:53.000 I know it's going to be in Iowa, like South Dakota.

01:18:57.000 But there's like specifically an effort.

01:18:59.000 There was an article we covered on the show.

01:19:02.000 It was an NBC article.

01:19:03.000 Nine states, they're going to target this issue.

01:19:07.000 We don't know how to counter it, and we don't have an answer for what the counterpoint is.

01:19:12.000 And I think that's what we're exploring here, which is important.

01:19:14.000 But psychologically, it's a total loser, even if we are extremely pro-life.

01:19:19.000 And I think we need to have messaging that will address this issue, ASAP, because we don't have it yet.

01:19:25.000 We don't know how to counter this issue.

01:19:27.000 And we look at the board and we say, what can go wrong in 2024?

01:19:31.000 This is the issue.

01:19:33.000 And they're telegraphing it.

01:19:35.000 All right.

01:19:36.000 In closing, everybody, AmFest.

01:19:38.000 I'm super thankful for our team.

01:19:40.000 We're going all in.

01:19:41.000 It's amazing.

01:19:42.000 Tyler, Turning Point Action, they got all day Sunday.

01:19:44.000 We're really revving it up.

01:19:46.000 I just want to go through all this.

01:19:47.000 Jack's going to be there.

01:19:48.000 Andrew will be there.

01:19:49.000 We're going to try to do thought crimes live.

01:19:51.000 We're going to try to fit it in.

01:19:53.000 Tucker Carlson, Patrick Bett, David, Candace Ewens, Glenn Beck, Rob Schneider, Roseanne Barr, Dennis Prager, Ali Beth Stucky, Jonathan Isaac, James O'Keefe, Riley Gaines, Ben Carson, Michael Anton, Jason Whitlock, Gad Saad, Brandon Tatum, Seth Dylan, Jack Pesobic, Benny Johnson, Yanmi Park, Michael Seifert, James Lindsay, John Amanchuku, John Benzinger, Rob McCoy, Len Munsell, Eric Metaxas, Calvin Robinson, and Turning Point Action, Vivek, Bannon, Don Jr., Kimberly Guilfoyle, Marjorie Taylor Green, Matt Gates, Corey Mills, Mike Lindell, Alina Haba.

01:20:22.000 Our concerts are big and rich, low cash, and Raylin.

01:20:26.000 And we also now have an announcement.

01:20:28.000 Timcast will be live, Jack Pesobic.

01:20:31.000 Did you hear that?

01:20:31.000 Boom.

01:20:32.000 Boom.

01:20:33.000 Joe.

01:20:33.000 Live.

01:20:34.000 Jack, riff on Amfest.

01:20:36.000 Why should somebody attend?

01:20:37.000 It's funny.

01:20:38.000 I'm literally about to hop in my car and drive out to Timcast right now.

01:20:42.000 To Fairy Island or whatever they call it, or Fairy Park.

01:20:48.000 We don't get into the secret location of Timcast.

01:20:50.000 Steve Bando says the location all the time.

01:20:53.000 This is like you've been in 70, all right?

01:20:57.000 So the look, the reason you got to go to Amfest, it's the speakers, right?

01:21:04.000 That's sort of like your, that's your first layer of Amfest.

01:21:07.000 You have to understand that there's layers and tiers to Amfest.

01:21:09.000 So the first layer is Amfest and the speakers that Charlie just ran off.

01:21:14.000 Easily the best lineup of speakers anywhere in the country, probably anywhere in the world, right?

01:21:19.000 If we could get Milla there, I'm sure we would get Millet there.

01:21:23.000 You know, maybe Tucker will work on it.

01:21:25.000 But when it comes to the second tier, now you've got the shows.

01:21:29.000 So we're doing thought crime at Amfest.

01:21:31.000 We're going to figure that out.

01:21:32.000 I'm doing human events.

01:21:33.000 You're doing Charlie Kirk show.

01:21:34.000 Steve's going to be there doing the war room.

01:21:36.000 And the war room is.

01:21:37.000 And Patrick at David.

01:21:38.000 Yeah.

01:21:39.000 Yeah.

01:21:39.000 PBD.

01:21:39.000 Oh, wow.

01:21:40.000 I didn't really live stream whole thing.

01:21:42.000 He's live streaming.

01:21:43.000 So you've got like the entire virtual universe and now Timcast that we've all put together through these shows and through alternative media.

01:21:52.000 You know, this is a nexus now.

01:21:54.000 This is a hub for all of that energy to come together.

01:21:57.000 And then the third layer, of course, is the fact that you're now around people who are like-minded, people who are actually working to put our country together.

01:22:07.000 And guess what?

01:22:08.000 This really is the last strategy session before we go into 2024.

01:22:14.000 That's your urgency.

01:22:15.000 So we did this in 21.

01:22:17.000 We did that in 2020 in 22.

01:22:19.000 You know, the team at the turning point events has completely knocked it out of park.

01:22:24.000 That's great.

01:22:25.000 Now the table is set.

01:22:27.000 2024, it's going to be the political warfare that we walk into, and you must prepare for what's coming ahead.

01:22:36.000 That's why it's incumbent for all of us to get together, build those networks, work on the strategy, get the energy together.

01:22:42.000 The people you meet at these events.

01:22:44.000 Look, I got my entire start in the movement just by going to the RNC in 2016 in Cleveland, putting on the only independent pro-Trump event that was held outside there.

01:22:55.000 Look, this is how you actually make the magic that carries you all the way through to Election Day.

01:23:01.000 And I really think that if you have the opportunity to go to Amfest, it is incumbent upon you to be there.

01:23:06.000 Amfest.com, A-M-F-S-T.com, A-M-F-E-S-T.com.

01:23:11.000 Really amazing new speakers, guys.

01:23:13.000 Let me just go through the ones that have never been at a turning point event before that are coming.

01:23:16.000 Roseanne Barr.

01:23:17.000 That's amazing. 0.99

01:23:18.000 She's the, I mean, one of the most popular TV shows ever. 1.00

01:23:22.000 By the way, she doesn't do a lot of public events, just to roll clear, doesn't do a lot of public events.

01:23:25.000 Rob Schneider, A-list. 0.62

01:23:27.000 Hello.

01:23:28.000 That's Patrick Bett David.

01:23:29.000 Make it gaps.

01:23:31.000 I mean, Patrick Bett David, big deal.

01:23:34.000 Jonathan Isaac, he's a current NBA player.

01:23:36.000 The guy is in the NBA in-season tournament putting up 10 points a game.

01:23:40.000 He's doing a double, double a game.

01:23:42.000 The guy is a double, double a game current NBA player, and he's coming to Amfest.

01:23:47.000 You look at his stats.

01:23:48.000 Because I mean, I don't watch NBA because it's a waste of time.

01:23:50.000 I love this guy, though.

01:23:51.000 And I thought, okay, you know, is he a bench player?

01:23:53.000 He's putting up a double double.

01:23:54.000 They're doing great.

01:23:55.000 It's like a whole lot of people.

01:23:56.000 I think Orlando's crush is like surprising everybody right now.

01:23:58.000 I know.

01:23:59.000 I'm stocked with him.

01:24:00.000 They got kicked out of the thing yesterday.

01:24:02.000 He's good.

01:24:03.000 He's awesome.

01:24:04.000 He's actually really good.

01:24:05.000 I'm talking to his team, Charlie.

01:24:07.000 We're trying to find a time to get him on the show before Amfest.

01:24:09.000 And his team's like, oh, he's going to be in practice at that time.

01:24:14.000 By the way, I never want to hear an excuse from another speaker again.

01:24:14.000 I can't even.

01:24:18.000 The guy's in the midst of an NBA season, and he's coming to Amfest.

01:24:21.000 The amount of respect I have is unbelievable for him.

01:24:24.000 I think the most respect of any, that's right, Andrew?

01:24:28.000 You're in the middle of an NBA season, and he's like, I'll be there.

01:24:31.000 I think that's extraordinary.

01:24:32.000 And he wants to come on the show.

01:24:33.000 He's trying to get on the show, and we're trying to make it happen.

01:24:35.000 But it's, you know, I think the magic are like third place right now in the East.

01:24:42.000 Really, really a lot of respect.

01:24:43.000 We got Bannon, who's going to bring down the house.

01:24:44.000 Vivek is going to do some big stuff.

01:24:46.000 Don Jr., but the ones that have never been there, I just want to isolate again, which is just amazing.

01:24:50.000 Never been there.

01:24:51.000 Roseanne Barr, Rob Schneider, Jonathan Isaac, Patrick Bett David.

01:24:54.000 If those four speakers were the only lineup, that alone, those four is all-star, very proud of the team.

01:25:01.000 We got more stuff coming as well.

01:25:02.000 Big and rich.

01:25:02.000 Okay.

01:25:05.000 Well, we've had Tucker before.

01:25:06.000 I know.

01:25:07.000 I know, but come on.

01:25:09.000 There's a couple of people.

01:25:10.000 You got Tucker.

01:25:10.000 Big and Rich.

01:25:11.000 There's some big names that aren't here.

01:25:13.000 You know, there's some presidential candidates that I have not heard of.

01:25:17.000 You know, we know that Ron DeSantis, you know, publicly snubbed the last one.

01:25:22.000 Ron denied.

01:25:23.000 I'm not even going to hold people in suspense.

01:25:24.000 He doesn't want to be there.

01:25:25.000 So he's too busy doing the eye.

01:25:27.000 Really?

01:25:28.000 Yeah.

01:25:31.000 He's got to spend that money.

01:25:32.000 Yeah, tweet that out, Jack.

01:25:33.000 You have my permission.

01:25:34.000 I'm totally tweeting that out.

01:25:35.000 No, because actually the last I heard that there was...

01:25:37.000 No, the last I heard was that there was some conversation.

01:25:42.000 There was.

01:25:42.000 The conversation's over.

01:25:43.000 They're busy.

01:25:44.000 No, yeah.

01:25:46.000 He's got to spend that money.

01:25:47.000 And he might only have a couple of things.

01:25:49.000 And then Nimerada, we're waiting for.

01:25:51.000 And then, oh, she out.

01:25:53.000 Is Nimerada out?

01:25:54.000 She said no. 0.94

01:25:55.000 Immigrant Hillary's not coming. 1.00

01:25:57.000 And then Christy.

01:25:59.000 We're waiting for Christy.

01:26:00.000 Christy, we sent a letter to the Dunkin' Donuts in Mindham.

01:26:05.000 No, like you actually did this to the new, like actually in New Jersey, the one closest to his house.

01:26:10.000 Well, we couldn't.

01:26:11.000 Lauren was trying to get in contact with this campaign forever.

01:26:15.000 And he doesn't even have a website.

01:26:17.000 So we thought the best place to send his invite was to the Dunkin' Donuts in Mindham, New Jersey.

01:26:21.000 What's where he lives?

01:26:23.000 So hopefully the manager, hopefully the manager at the Dunkin' Donuts of Mindam, will get it to him.

01:26:30.000 I have a suspicion he'll be in there.

01:26:31.000 That's it.

01:26:32.000 Just knows how to find him.

01:26:34.000 That's it.

01:26:34.000 All right, everybody.

01:26:35.000 We got to go.

01:26:35.000 God bless you all.

01:26:36.000 Amfest.com.

01:26:37.000 Talk to you soon.

01:26:40.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:26:42.000 To email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:26:45.000 Thanks so much for listening.

01:26:46.000 God bless.

01:26:49.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - December 02, 2023

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 23 — Big Money Nikki?, Napoleon + Caeser Reboot, Conservatives' Single Issue

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