The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 27 — Does Epstein Matter? The End of DEI? The Greer Pledge?

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Thought Crime.

00:00:01.000 I'm Blake Neff, and in this slightly spicier than normal conversation, Charlie, Jack Pasobic, and Andrew Colvett, as well as me, will talk about the Jeffrey Epstein document release.

00:00:11.000 We'll also talk about Claudine Gay getting fired by Harvard as Harvard tries to straighten out its DEI regime.

00:00:18.000 And then we'll have a nice conversation about the so-called Greer Pledge. 0.68

00:00:22.000 Should you watch Marvel movies, listen to rap music, get a tattoo, or should all of those things be total no-goes?

00:00:30.000 And then we talk about what our own pledge would be to improve our lives.

00:00:34.000 It's a very fun conversation, and we hit a lot of very spicy topics.

00:00:38.000 Buckle up, and here we go.

00:00:41.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:39.000 Okay, everybody.

00:01:41.000 Hope you are doing well.

00:01:42.000 Happy Thought Crime Thursday.

00:01:44.000 Backed by Popular Demand is Blake.

00:01:47.000 You obviously got a lot of sun in South Dakota.

00:01:50.000 Minimal amounts of it.

00:01:51.000 Did you see the sun in South Dakota?

00:01:53.000 It's pretty sunny.

00:01:54.000 We used to be called the Sunshine State, and then Florida kind of stole the name for us.

00:01:58.000 Producer Andrew is here from an undisclosed location in Paradise.

00:02:03.000 Happy to be joining today.

00:02:05.000 I'm the fill-in, and I love it.

00:02:07.000 And Jack Pesobic.

00:02:09.000 Jack, how are we doing?

00:02:10.000 Happy New Year.

00:02:12.000 Charlie, happy new year, man.

00:02:13.000 It's been a minute.

00:02:14.000 I feel like I've seen you because I've been watching so many episodes of the Charlie Kirk show, but really, Blake is the one I have to give the shout out to because Blake, I don't know if you saw our Chronicles of the Revolution series just went pretty viral, took the internet by storm.

00:02:31.000 And it was the Franco episode that really, really got people mad.

00:02:35.000 People need to learn the truth.

00:02:37.000 They need to learn. 0.99

00:02:38.000 They've been fed all this diet of weird crap from Ernest Hemingway. 0.99

00:02:42.000 And I'm always on board with... 1.00

00:02:43.000 Hemingway was full of crap. 0.99

00:02:44.000 I'm always on board with taking Hemingway down a peg. 1.00

00:02:47.000 I read a farewell to arms and it sucked.

00:02:49.000 So we have to get our revenge anywhere we can. 0.96

00:02:52.000 You wasted my time.

00:02:54.000 Meanwhile, Orwell comes out actually pretty good.

00:02:56.000 Yeah, Orwell comes out great.

00:02:57.000 I strongly recommend reading him.

00:02:59.000 I listened to Animal Farm on an audio book while driving the other day.

00:03:03.000 So it's a nice fast read.

00:03:05.000 You can get through it in like an hour and a half.

00:03:06.000 How long is it on an audiobook?

00:03:07.000 Yeah, hour and a half.

00:03:08.000 Yeah.

00:03:09.000 If you're on high speed, yeah, you get done with it in under two hours.

00:03:11.000 You learn how Napoleon's going to be able to do it.

00:03:14.000 So what you need to do is you have to take the Russian Revolution episode we did and then listen to Animal Farm.

00:03:21.000 And now you've got the whole thing combined.

00:03:23.000 Yeah, I will say, having, you know, I last read it when I was in fourth grade or something.

00:03:28.000 And so now I pick up on all of the, you know, the deeper, the deeper allegories, you know, the, oh, here's World War II accepted on an English record.

00:03:35.000 I was like, I heard as an adult.

00:03:36.000 No, I had not.

00:03:37.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:38.000 Oh, okay.

00:03:39.000 Gotcha.

00:03:40.000 Yeah.

00:03:40.000 See, now Blake gets it.

00:03:42.000 Now Blake actually understands the theme of the show that we host every week.

00:03:45.000 Precisely.

00:03:46.000 All right.

00:03:47.000 So the big news is the Epstein story.

00:03:51.000 Jack, we did, as you well know, a full hour.

00:03:53.000 It's gone viral, covered by a lot of people on really the Intel agent aspect of this.

00:03:59.000 Blake, you and I talked about it.

00:04:00.000 There's tons of wrinkles here, right?

00:04:02.000 The wrinkle is who was Jeffrey Epstein really?

00:04:05.000 Was he a creation of the CIA Mossad, which I believe he obviously was, because there's really no track record of his financial brilliance or what the investments he made to justify this ridiculously opulent lifestyle that he enjoyed of mansions in Paris and mansions in New York and mansions in Palm Beach and an island in the Caribbean and a huge ranch in New Mexico and a couple of Gulf streams.

00:04:26.000 How did you make this money, man?

00:04:27.000 You were kind of a weird, creepy math teacher at Dalton School and then went to Bear Stearns and you somehow found all this money.

00:04:34.000 But, Jack, let's just talk about the details.

00:04:36.000 This is coming back into the news cycle.

00:04:38.000 I don't think it's going away because there might be more documents coming out over the years.

00:04:42.000 What have we learned?

00:04:43.000 There's actually more tonight.

00:04:44.000 Okay, well, then walk us through it.

00:04:46.000 What are these documents?

00:04:47.000 Why are you just learning?

00:04:49.000 It's kind of a surprise.

00:04:50.000 Give us the background here and then what actually was in the documents that is noteworthy.

00:04:56.000 Okay, sure.

00:04:56.000 So the documents, and this is something that a lot of people get wrapped around the axle on when it comes to sort of the Epstein case, the Epstein network, is they say, what's the deal with these documents?

00:05:10.000 Why do we have these now?

00:05:11.000 Why didn't we have these before?

00:05:13.000 Wait, I thought we had some before.

00:05:14.000 So different elements of Epstein's operations have been made public over the years through various lawsuits, cases, and then, of course, actually the, I guess we could say, the aborted prosecution of Jeffrey Epstein, which ended with him dead in his jail cell.

00:05:35.000 He's obviously not going to continue the prosecution after that, but it all goes back to 2017 and our friend Mike Cernovich filing a lawsuit, a freedom of the press lawsuit against, or in the Epstein case, basically getting against a seal that had been done when one of the accusers had come out against Epstein.

00:05:54.000 And at the time, nobody wanted to talk about this thing.

00:05:58.000 And people were running around saying, oh, you guys are a bunch of conspiracy theorists for saying there's elite pedophile rings involving DC politicians, including the Clintons.

00:06:07.000 And kind of blew up on the internet.

00:06:09.000 Long story, people have heard it.

00:06:12.000 And it all kind of centers around Epstein.

00:06:16.000 And so Cernovich goes in and files this suit and retains Mark Rondaza, who's the first amendment lawyer to get in on this.

00:06:24.000 And then nothing happens for about two years.

00:06:26.000 But then Alex Acosta goes up to be Trump's labor secretary, who had been part of the Department of Justice team, which I believe off the top of my head, Southern District of New, not New York, Southern District of Florida, who was involved in getting Epstein this sweetheart deal.

00:06:42.000 So let me wrap this up very quickly.

00:06:45.000 That's the lawsuit that's now coming to fruition five years later.

00:06:49.000 And the people named in this thing have been fighting to keep it sealed.

00:06:53.000 It's finally been ruled.

00:06:54.000 That's how long this stuff normally takes, by the way, in federal court.

00:06:58.000 So for those of you who are tracking the Trump cases on the federal, the federal docket right now, nothing usually moves like this.

00:07:06.000 The Epstein case, these files, yeah, something that you filed almost a decade ago take that long to get out.

00:07:12.000 Now this is coming out.

00:07:13.000 So we had a huge 1,000 document release yesterday.

00:07:16.000 We've got another one, another couple of hundred pages.

00:07:19.000 Libby Emmons over at the Postmillennial, I know, is working on this right now.

00:07:23.000 And the key thing in here is you've got testimony, you've got depositions, you've got names, you've got dates.

00:07:29.000 Some of it we knew before.

00:07:30.000 I think the long and short of it we knew before.

00:07:32.000 Now there's a lot of details that we're going into.

00:07:34.000 The big piece, though, that I think everyone had asked about is: is Donald Trump directly implicated?

00:07:41.000 And in fact, his name does come up a few times.

00:07:43.000 And every time his name comes up, they say, Did you go to the house?

00:07:47.000 Did he go to or did he go to the island?

00:07:47.000 No.

00:07:50.000 No.

00:07:51.000 Was he seen on the island?

00:07:52.000 No.

00:07:53.000 Did he participate in any activity with the girls?

00:07:56.000 Did he get a massage from the girls?

00:07:56.000 No.

00:07:57.000 No.

00:07:58.000 So every time Trump is named and you're looking at prosecutors, investigators in these depositions, the girls, and this is different, this is different instances.

00:08:08.000 They all say that Trump was not involved in anything other than these just sort of what everybody knows, that they had, he knew him from sort of the Palm Beach social scene.

00:08:19.000 He'd gone to Mar-a-Lago a few times.

00:08:20.000 That's about it.

00:08:22.000 And of course, as Analina Haba was on PVD earlier today, and as people want to know, that the minute that Trump found out about what Epstein was up to, he not only cut off contact, he actually banned him from Mar-a-Lago.

00:08:36.000 So that's pretty much the long and short of it, as I would say from a political standpoint in terms of the actual 2024 race as involves Trump.

00:08:44.000 Now, the fact that Bill Clinton is mentioned so many times, I think really just goes to plumb the depths of what actually Bill Clinton was up to.

00:08:53.000 And now, this is just a deposition.

00:08:55.000 Is that right, Jack, in a civil suit?

00:08:56.000 Am I understanding that right, Blake?

00:08:58.000 Pretty much, yeah.

00:08:58.000 Is that correct?

00:08:59.000 It was just a back and forth deposition.

00:09:02.000 There's so much more to the extent of who Epstein was, who financed him, who his clients were, what he was operating for.

00:09:10.000 So Blake, kind of moderate any of the more extremes of this conversation.

00:09:14.000 And actually, Trelli, just to clarify, it's a deposition from one of the victims.

00:09:19.000 So this isn't like a lieutenant.

00:09:21.000 This isn't like a whistleblower.

00:09:22.000 This isn't someone who was like high up in the organization.

00:09:25.000 This was a victim.

00:09:26.000 So someone who, yes, she was there, but it's not like someone in the Intel community, we would say she had placement, but she didn't have high access.

00:09:35.000 So Blake, do you think it's fair to say that Epstein was probably an Intel asset?

00:09:41.000 I think he had contact with intelligence.

00:09:44.000 I think there's enough smoke there to suspect something.

00:09:48.000 What I think is interesting is I think that sort of, if you want to say the canonical conspiracy theory for Epstein is sort of the idea that Epstein was either with the CIA or Massad.

00:10:00.000 Those are the most common ones.

00:10:01.000 Sometimes you'll get weirder ones.

00:10:02.000 Saudi Arabia.

00:10:03.000 And then it was cultivated.

00:10:04.000 And kind of the idea was to control the world or whatever, that he would get rich and powerful and influential people to go to his island. 0.69

00:10:12.000 And then you would get blackmail material on them, such as having sex with underage girls, and it's on video or whatever, and then use this to sway world events.

00:10:19.000 And that's sort of the canonical Epstein theory.

00:10:22.000 And then he was going to reveal it all.

00:10:24.000 So something happened to him, so-and-so.

00:10:27.000 What I think is maybe a more plausible possibility and sort of entertaining one is if you imagine Epstein is sort of the ultimate con artist, and this gets brought up with his relationship with Ghelain Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell.

00:10:43.000 Robert Maxwell is this sort of sensational British press personality.

00:10:48.000 He runs the Daily Mirror.

00:10:50.000 After he dies, it's revealed that he'd stolen a huge amount of money, like I think hundreds of millions of pounds from pension funds of the companies that he ran.

00:10:59.000 And he dies in mysterious circumstances, maybe murder, maybe a heart attack.

00:11:03.000 I mean, he was an old and unhealthy guy.

00:11:05.000 Now, what's funny with Epstein is, you know, we talk about how where his money comes from is mysterious.

00:11:11.000 And this is often brought up as, oh, well, he must have got the money from, you know, the intelligence agencies.

00:11:16.000 But another funny thing is a lot of rich people essentially just claim that Epstein robbed them.

00:11:21.000 So for example, there's a Rolling Stone article about Epstein in 2021.

00:11:25.000 Was Jeffrey Epstein a spy?

00:11:27.000 I have it on my computer here if you guys want to bring it up.

00:11:29.000 And it gets into one of his oldest relationships is with this guy, Stephen Hoffenberg, who goes to prison for running a Ponzi scheme.

00:11:39.000 So he's kind of a financial criminal who works with Epstein.

00:11:43.000 And what Epstein essentially does is he moves about $100 million of this guy's money offshore.

00:11:49.000 And then he goes to the feds, gives information on Hoffenberg to them.

00:11:53.000 And sort of the implication is he probably was able to steal $100 million of this guy's money, and this guy couldn't really deal with it because he was himself going to prison for all these crimes.

00:12:02.000 And the article that Rolling Stone wrote suggests that if the guy had not lost his nerve and had insisted we're going to trial on all of this, it might have been worse for Epstein than for anyone else.

00:12:11.000 All of this is a way of saying is that's not the only guy, by the way.

00:12:14.000 Victoria's secret billionaire claims that Epstein's, yeah, Les Wexner's claim, he stole a bunch of money from him.

00:12:21.000 So what if this guy is just kind of robbing a lot of people and then also, you know, likes his thing with, you know, teenage girls and is sort of cultivating this whole aura.

00:12:31.000 And as part of this, yeah, he talks to intelligence agencies all the time.

00:12:34.000 And it was useful to him for people to think he's this intelligence asset for everyone because it makes them scared of him more or less.

00:12:42.000 And there are other people like this who exist.

00:12:44.000 You know, a lot of people on the right are familiar with Chuck Johnson, who kind of just goes on on Twitter about everyone being an asset for different Intel agencies and how he's working for all these different Intel agencies.

00:12:55.000 And he's like a downgraded version of this, but a similar overall phenomenon.

00:13:00.000 Jack, what do you make of that?

00:13:04.000 Look, I do think that there's an element of puffery here.

00:13:09.000 But at the same time, Charlie, you know, you've been talking about the universities more than anybody out there.

00:13:16.000 You're very familiar with these operations.

00:13:19.000 We're going to be talking about Harvard a lot, I think, in the next topic here because the Harvard president just resigned.

00:13:24.000 Yet there's this huge tie between Epstein, Bill Gates, Harvard, massive organizations.

00:13:33.000 And all of this, by the way, coming out after, okay, after Epstein's first, after his first arrest, after it's already come out that he's been doing these things, he continues to have these connections, even continues meeting with Ehud Barak, who is the former, at this point, the former prime minister of Israel, a guy who shows up to Epstein's New York City.

00:14:01.000 They call it a mansion.

00:14:01.000 It's really a townhouse.

00:14:03.000 So his walkup in New York City shows up in 40 rooms.

00:14:06.000 It's huge.

00:14:08.000 But when you say mansion, you think of something different, I think, visually.

00:14:13.000 And he's got the scarf over his face and glasses.

00:14:17.000 I should have called for it earlier.

00:14:18.000 And he's really just protecting who he is.

00:14:21.000 We find that he's on the plane dozens of times, potentially more, and he's named in all this stuff.

00:14:26.000 And the fact that he continues holding these types of high-level meetings, even though he's been completely publicly disgraced, continues giving money to Harvard, continues being involved in all of these high-level circles where I can only imagine, Charlie, and, you know, and we can talk about, you know, I know we get behind the curtain here a little bit, but, you know, around here on this part of the political aisle, if you catch even a, if anyone catches like a whiff of that, you're out.

00:14:53.000 You're just totally out.

00:14:54.000 And it's not even talked about anymore.

00:14:56.000 So the fact that he's still holding these meetings shows that there is some level of cachet that he has for some reason that nobody's ever quite been able to put their finger on.

00:15:07.000 The same way that nobody's ever been able to quite put their finger on these missing tapes and videos and DVDs that were supposedly also in that New York townhouse that went missing when the FBI searched it.

00:15:21.000 So look, there's been a lot of, there's a lot of angles being examined here.

00:15:25.000 Here's one that I want to examine that I think is interesting.

00:15:29.000 Because Blake, I'm going to try to denormie you.

00:15:31.000 And I think we're getting close.

00:15:33.000 Many have tried.

00:15:33.000 No, Hold on.

00:15:35.000 Hold on.

00:15:36.000 I think I finally got a concession from Blake where Blake threw his hands up, was like, I've been waiting for this.

00:15:42.000 I've been waiting for this.

00:15:43.000 Okay.

00:15:43.000 So I'm big on the blackmail thing, as you well know, meaning I think that people are getting blackmailed all the time.

00:15:48.000 I think it's this nonstop blackmail operation.

00:15:51.000 Okay.

00:15:51.000 And you say, oh, no, this is not true.

00:15:53.000 You know, it's not believing that people meet in private rooms and do this stuff.

00:15:56.000 But you, you conceded a little bit when this Tim Burchett guy came out, right?

00:16:02.000 Would you agree, Blight?

00:16:04.000 I always was complaining that everyone's like saying there's blackmail everywhere, but like, you know, there's hundreds of people.

00:16:09.000 Someone should come out and say, oh, they're, you know, they're blackmailing us.

00:16:12.000 And finally, Burchette did come out.

00:16:14.000 He did say it rather bluntly.

00:16:16.000 It wasn't cryptic.

00:16:17.000 It wasn't Cody's.

00:16:18.000 And then we're kind of sitting there.

00:16:20.000 And I'll say, whether you're lucky, you like a woman, you like a man. 0.94

00:16:23.000 They came up here and they just kind of get a naked picture with you.

00:16:27.000 And so that said, okay, that's cool.

00:16:30.000 Who?

00:16:31.000 Like, would it be nice if you guys gave us the name?

00:16:34.000 Sorry.

00:16:34.000 Like, I think you have a moral obligation if there's a big conspiracy that you know about.

00:16:39.000 And it's not like they can just, you know, publicly whack him once he says it.

00:16:43.000 So just come out and say we have it here.

00:16:45.000 I'm trying to find, we have two different cuts.

00:16:47.000 We played one on the show today that wasn't, it's from Benny Johnson's show.

00:16:51.000 He did a great job.

00:16:52.000 But let's all right, let's play cut 38.

00:16:55.000 There's a, I don't know if this is the best one.

00:16:56.000 Let's play cut 38.

00:16:58.000 So you're saying that right now, currently ongoing in our Congress, there are members of Congress who have been compromised by either special interests or the intelligence community to not give the American public information on Jeffrey Epstein.

00:17:13.000 I believe so.

00:17:14.000 100%.

00:17:15.000 100%.

00:17:17.000 I would tell you one quick thing.

00:17:18.000 I know this, it's a little different, but I've been involved in the UFO-UAP issue.

00:17:23.000 And it's, you know, like I said, I know I'm not going to bring out little green man in a flying saucer, but it's about transparency.

00:17:28.000 I had an amendment on the FAA reauthorization bill that said if an American pilot sees a UAP, an anomaly or something, and they make a report to the FAA, that report has to be made available to Congress.

00:17:43.000 I was told by the whip, I said, what happened to my amendment?

00:17:46.000 And he said, it was killed by the intelligence community.

00:17:49.000 And I said, you mean the intelligence committee?

00:17:52.000 And he said, no, the intelligence community.

00:17:54.000 It was not even brought up.

00:17:56.000 And these are unelected bureaucrats that have that much control.

00:18:01.000 And so, yeah, we got to start electing people with guts in both parties.

00:18:05.000 This pandering stuff that's going on now, it's just a distraction.

00:18:09.000 Now, there's a better tape, but Blake, is that persuasive that the intelligence community would actually interfere with legislation and/or blackmail?

00:18:18.000 They definitely do that.

00:18:19.000 I love this euphemism by the intelligence community, the CIA.

00:18:23.000 Like, go visit the intelligence community.

00:18:25.000 They all live on, you know, just by South Mountain.

00:18:27.000 And they live in one, they live in a very wealthy community.

00:18:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:30.000 So, but first of all, again, you can always think of the sort of normie versions of this.

00:18:36.000 Okay, they don't, the intelligence community doesn't want you to make a report of every UFO sighting because it will turn out that some of them are, you know, the boring old.

00:18:44.000 This is the black, you know, the blackbird doing its like secret flights, and we can't publicize that.

00:18:50.000 And so they would kill it for that reason.

00:18:53.000 But again, it's, it is nice.

00:18:56.000 When Blake worked with Tucker, he used to just like throw stuff past Tucker's window every once in a while to try to make him think that there were frisbees going on.

00:19:03.000 That was always my job.

00:19:05.000 It was a frisbee.

00:19:06.000 Keep our cameras up if you guys can with the video in the middle.

00:19:08.000 I don't know if you can technically do that.

00:19:10.000 If you can, it'd be great.

00:19:11.000 Can you do that?

00:19:12.000 Thank you.

00:19:12.000 Okay, play this.

00:19:13.000 I want your reaction, Blake.

00:19:14.000 This is as blunt as you're going to get.

00:19:15.000 This is a member of Congress.

00:19:17.000 Again, Madison Clawthorne was ridiculed for this.

00:19:19.000 Hold on, we got Epsom.

00:19:20.000 We got Madison Cawthorne.

00:19:22.000 We now got Burchett, who's a smooth-talking Southerner, Christian guy.

00:19:25.000 He is as clear as it gets, who says people whisper in your ear to get you to vote a certain way.

00:19:32.000 Okay, all right, let's play this.

00:19:34.000 It's 88.

00:19:35.000 Keep us around the edge, please.

00:19:38.000 Congressman, you represent the state of Tennessee. 1.00

00:19:40.000 Marsha Blackburn has been completely blackballed in the Senate for asking for these flight logs to be released and for this client list to be released. 0.96

00:19:49.000 It seems like now you are fighting with her in the house.

00:19:53.000 Why the protection mechanism?

00:19:55.000 And more importantly, you mentioned recently in an interview that there may be some members of Congress who are personally compromised by this and they don't want the truth to get out.

00:20:06.000 Can you expound on that?

00:20:07.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:20:08.000 You got powerful people and they write the big checks.

00:20:11.000 Well, let's be honest.

00:20:12.000 And powerful people in this country, they write the big checks.

00:20:16.000 And they, you know, they're the ones out on the tarmac when the president comes and visits and whichever party they're in.

00:20:23.000 They always either out on the tarmac or in the private room.

00:20:26.000 They're the ones that write the big checks.

00:20:28.000 They don't care who's in.

00:20:29.000 They hate this country.

00:20:30.000 They hate what we're about, but they love their portfolios and they love their money more than they do anything else.

00:20:35.000 And they protect it and they protect the people that do that.

00:20:39.000 And by doing so, you know, the old honeypot, the Russians do that. 1.00

00:20:42.000 And I'm sure members of Congress have been caught up.

00:20:45.000 Why in the world would good conservatives vote for crazy stuff like what we've been seeing out of Congress?

00:20:52.000 It's how it works.

00:20:53.000 You're visiting, you're out of the country or out of town or you're in a motel or bar in D.C.

00:20:59.000 And some, whatever you're into, women or men or whatever, comes up and they're very attractive and they're laughing at your jokes and you're buying them a drink.

00:21:09.000 Next thing you know, you're in the motel room with them naked.

00:21:13.000 And next thing you know, you know, you're about to make a key vote.

00:21:17.000 And what happens?

00:21:18.000 Some well-dressed person comes up and whispers in your ear, hey man, there's tapes out on you.

00:21:23.000 Were you in a motel room on whatever with whoever?

00:21:27.000 And then you're like, uh-oh, and said, you really ought not to be voting for this thing.

00:21:32.000 I mean, you know, and what do they do?

00:21:33.000 It's human nature.

00:21:34.000 And, you know, no man or no woman actually is an island.

00:21:39.000 And they know what to get at.

00:21:40.000 You know, if it's women, drugs, booze, it'll find you in D.C. and in most elected offices. 1.00

00:21:46.000 And that's what people of power and influence do.

00:21:49.000 And it's just, you know, I've been in this game my whole life.

00:21:52.000 I spent 16 years in the state legislature in Tennessee and eight years as a county mayor.

00:21:56.000 And now I'm in my fifth year of Congress.

00:21:58.000 But it's just, the stakes are higher, but the game is still the same.

00:22:04.000 Jack, so did you find that persuasive?

00:22:06.000 Well, so notice the catch where he says, I'm sure members of Congress have this happen.

00:22:12.000 He said, very specific.

00:22:13.000 It does.

00:22:14.000 But okay, so then you could turn this around.

00:22:16.000 All right.

00:22:16.000 So Prashet, if you know specific examples, are there members of the Republican committee who are compromised this way?

00:22:21.000 Let's get them off the show.

00:22:22.000 Andrew, book.

00:22:22.000 I want to know it.

00:22:23.000 Like, I feel like it's such crap where they come out and they're like, yeah, I know all this, all this lurid stuff. 0.98

00:22:29.000 They're compromising members of Congress. 0.98

00:22:30.000 Do you know who they are?

00:22:31.000 So if you do, Jack, you've been accused of being a foreign spy.

00:22:35.000 Talk about brownstoning and all this stuff.

00:22:37.000 What's going on here?

00:22:38.000 Okay.

00:22:39.000 So this is one of the reasons that I brought up the type of house that Epstein had because the term brownstoning and brownstoning operations, it actually goes back to these types of houses that were used predominantly throughout New York City.

00:22:57.000 They're walk-ups.

00:22:58.000 It's a sandstone facade.

00:23:00.000 And it's because the NYPD and the FBI used to use them to set up sting operations in them.

00:23:05.000 And the brownstone front is sort of like a fake business.

00:23:08.000 But over the years, it came to be known as setting up the type of operation of entrapment and blackmail scheme in which individuals, often minors, are used to lure influential people into these compromising situations.

00:23:22.000 The goal is to capture incriminating evidence.

00:23:25.000 So you might get photographs, you might get videos.

00:23:27.000 And then, of course, that can be used to target the, you know, use against the targets as leverage to do their bidding.

00:23:35.000 So obviously devastating consequences.

00:23:38.000 This type of operation has been talked about for years.

00:23:42.000 There's been, there are lots of stories written about that Ben Franklin was involved in this type of stuff when he was over in France, for example.

00:23:49.000 They had things called the Hellfire Club, which were known as sort of gentlemen's sex clubs.

00:23:55.000 And in fact, oh, by the way, you don't have to listen, take my word for it.

00:23:58.000 Jake Tapper wrote a whole book about it called The Hellfire Club, which is set in the 1950s in Washington, D.C.

00:24:06.000 Now, of course, Jake Tapper says that it's all fictional.

00:24:10.000 None of this would ever actually happen.

00:24:12.000 This definitely isn't based on anything that Jake Tapper may have heard about and decided to want to reveal through a fictional novel.

00:24:19.000 I mean, that would just be silly.

00:24:20.000 Who would ever do such a thing?

00:24:21.000 Hold on, hold on.

00:24:22.000 But we have real proof of this.

00:24:24.000 Now, throw up image 87.

00:24:26.000 This is a story from today, an exclusive from Daily Mail.

00:24:30.000 High-end sex ring in Boston and D.C. areas was honeypot schemed by Russia, China, South Korea. 0.75

00:24:36.000 Intelligence agencies would never.

00:24:38.000 No, Andrew, come on.

00:24:40.000 And this is to ensnare U.S. officials, intelligence experts, believe me.

00:24:44.000 I read this whole piece.

00:24:45.000 These are exactly what I'm saying.

00:24:45.000 And I'll tell you as the resident former member of the intelligence community, I can confirm that the intelligence agencies would never, ever use sex trafficking or sex to compromise individuals to steal secrets.

00:25:05.000 Never, ever.

00:25:07.000 This is why it's actually way more interesting than that because this story broke.

00:25:12.000 And Charlie will remember the day this broke because your tweet on it went like viral.

00:25:16.000 It was, I think, November 8th or 9th.

00:25:19.000 It was the same day that there was a vote in the House to approve $300 million of additional spending for the FBI HQ, which is supposed to be bigger than the Pentagon, right?

00:25:33.000 And this comes amid all the information, all the grassroots uproar about spying on the Catholic Church, about infiltration on J6, the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot.

00:25:44.000 It comes amid surveilling white domestic terrorists, domestic extremists, all of this reallocation of FBI resources off legitimate crime and to basically surveil MAGA, right?

00:25:57.000 So we have all of this backstory. 0.78

00:25:59.000 And then somehow, miraculously, this brothel gets rated.

00:26:05.000 And then the next day there's a vote in the House and 70 Republicans vote to expand the footprint of a new FBI.

00:26:14.000 Well, then, okay, but then are we just going to say it?

00:26:16.000 We're just like, okay, here's these 70 Republicans. 1.00

00:26:18.000 They all had sex with hookers and the FBI blackmailed them. 0.99

00:26:22.000 But nobody does that. 0.97

00:26:23.000 Nobody ever accuses a specific person.

00:26:26.000 And if we were going to accuse anyone, Democrat who's had sex with a lot of people who is the most I could start thinking of someone.

00:26:32.000 Andrew, can you think of it?

00:26:34.000 I can think of a lot.

00:26:35.000 And I can think of one who it doesn't seem to change how he actually behaves in terms of let me let me just make sure I understand do you think there's no wait wait blake blake you're wait wait you're also saying that it changes how he behaves that doesn't necessarily mean that's what they're after right you can be this could be used as a source they could be used as someone who's procuring things for them you Be this could be used for a variety of tasks.

00:26:57.000 In fact, it could be used for nothing and simply wait as an insurance policy for when you need something. 0.99

00:27:03.000 What I would say is there's a million examples of our intelligence community being like an idiot clown show. 0.98

00:27:11.000 I mean, these guys make ads about like wise Latinas that they've hired who like state their pronouns. 0.99

00:27:18.000 And then as soon as we get into the realm of uncertainty, we kind of require this assumption that they're incredibly effective operators who never screw up.

00:27:26.000 And I think that's what stands out the most to me about this.

00:27:28.000 We know about the FBI's blackmail attempt on Martin Luther King Jr., you know, 50 years ago.

00:27:34.000 That was real.

00:27:35.000 And it was one, we know about it.

00:27:36.000 Two, it didn't work. 1.00

00:27:38.000 Three, it was clownish and stupid. 1.00

00:27:41.000 Like they just send him this letter and they're like, hey, Martin, you should, you should kill yourself or bad stuff will happen. 1.00

00:27:48.000 And that's essentially what they tried to do.

00:27:50.000 So we know about this and it didn't work.

00:27:53.000 And so since then, I guess all of the blackmail works and never gets publicized in any way.

00:27:59.000 And, you know, what stands out is we're learning about FBI.

00:28:02.000 When the early CIA, the CIA, and the FBI would do all this like spy craft stuff, and they're usually sort of bad at it.

00:28:11.000 And they get caught and it's like embarrassing to them.

00:28:14.000 And all the stuff that is recently alleged sort of involves incredibly effective.

00:28:19.000 You only know about the operations they got caught on.

00:28:22.000 Well, hold on, Blake.

00:28:23.000 You made a point earlier that you said a lot of this is maybe puffery.

00:28:27.000 A lot of this is sort of like staging.

00:28:29.000 I mean, I think that the way, I mean, Charlie, Jack, we've had conversations about this where people that are, you know, that we run into at different occasions or events and we literally look at each other and we go, yeah, probably an op, probably a spy.

00:28:47.000 Like, be on your guard.

00:28:49.000 But there are always these characters.

00:28:51.000 But, but, yes, what I'm saying is, is that the way the Intel influence ops tend to work, under my understanding, is very much on a need-to-know basis.

00:29:02.000 People are not incentivized to expose these things.

00:29:05.000 It's much the guys in the DBI office are essentially wanting to know some examples.

00:29:09.000 Denny Hassert was speaker of the house under George W. Bush. 0.92

00:29:12.000 He was literally a pedophile. 1.00

00:29:13.000 Well, he was like having sex with like 16-year-old boys or whatever. 1.00

00:29:16.000 Is that a pedophile, Jack? 0.99

00:29:17.000 No, last time I checked their commercial.

00:29:19.000 I'm pretty sure by definition, technically proposed from a he or a hebo file. 0.96

00:29:25.000 Yeah, no, it's a pedo. 1.00

00:29:25.000 You're a pedo. 1.00

00:29:26.000 I mean, if it's like 16-year-old boys, that's like legal in half the U.S. 0.99

00:29:29.000 Okay. 0.83

00:29:29.000 I say pedophile, whatever. 0.83

00:29:31.000 Okay. 0.97

00:29:32.000 So was Dennis Hastert black?

00:29:34.000 Do you have any evidence on that?

00:29:36.000 That's the question.

00:29:36.000 So hold on.

00:29:37.000 Definitely.

00:29:38.000 I gave you a question.

00:29:38.000 Time up.

00:29:39.000 Time up.

00:29:39.000 So was he blackmailed?

00:29:40.000 Well, we know all this stuff eventually came out.

00:29:43.000 It's not unreasonable to believe that somebody might have known about his behavior, his shenanigans, and he just kind of did what was necessary.

00:29:53.000 Well, that's the question, Blake.

00:29:54.000 But that's okay.

00:29:55.000 So I could go through so many other examples, by the way.

00:29:57.000 Aaron Schock from Illinois is another one, right? 0.98

00:30:00.000 Not the pedophile thing, but being gay. 0.98

00:30:03.000 But here's the thing, Blake. 0.94

00:30:05.000 How about it doesn't all have to be about sexual stuff, right?

00:30:07.000 It might be a stock tip, right?

00:30:10.000 And they have proof that this congressman or woman took a stock tip, acted on it.

00:30:16.000 They have proof of it.

00:30:18.000 And then they go, hey, we could get you for insider trading or whatever, right?

00:30:21.000 So it might be a variety of different things.

00:30:24.000 And we sort of have to question ourselves.

00:30:27.000 Why does the conservative party, the Republican Party, not vote conservative so often?

00:30:32.000 Why are they constantly influenced to vote the other way?

00:30:35.000 So it might not be that the threat is that they're going to completely take them out.

00:30:38.000 It might just be like, hey, vote this way on this vote.

00:30:40.000 Well, I think pretty straightforward, Answer is we elect people who don't believe these things that we claim they want to do.

00:30:47.000 We agree with that, but then it also creates raw material for the intel agencies.

00:30:51.000 I guess what I would say is, is there a good example of a Republican who like consistently voiced their opinion against these certain things and then just totally flipped on the vote inexplicably?

00:31:02.000 That would be stronger evidence of blackmail.

00:31:04.000 No, it would be, it would be, yeah, or sorry, go ahead, Andrew.

00:31:07.000 Like the truth is we just have dozens of Republicans who yeah, Ken Buck, or there would also, what they do is they create, according to Burchett and other people, this massive sort of Damocles where it's like they know and you know they know.

00:31:20.000 And over a period of time, you just kind of go with what is fashionable and you don't try to make too many waves.

00:31:27.000 Let's another example.

00:31:28.000 Forget the Intel agency thing, but just look at how, well, actually, it is the Intel agency.

00:31:34.000 The facts are part of this, but look what they did to Matt Gates.

00:31:37.000 I mean, Matt Gates, they went after him so hard because he was making waves, right?

00:31:41.000 Yeah.

00:31:42.000 And they, one, they failed.

00:31:43.000 And two, they barely failed.

00:31:46.000 And two, has Matt Gates ever come out and been like, I was confronted with blackmail threats?

00:31:51.000 I think that would be a good example.

00:31:52.000 Well, I mean, first of all, he didn't, he didn't bend the knee to the blackmail threats.

00:31:57.000 He knew that.

00:31:57.000 But if he was making threats, I think he could come out and say, hey, I was approached by someone who said, we're going to make your life really bad on this thing, that thing, that thing, unless you, you know.

00:32:06.000 It was probably more subtle, but I think Matt was saying that.

00:32:08.000 He said he was extorted for money.

00:32:10.000 By the way, a guy went to jail for a while.

00:32:12.000 So he got extorted in the private sector.

00:32:14.000 That happens for sure.

00:32:16.000 If anyone, you know, if anyone, you know, has the ideology and the lifestyle that could combine to make him be a blackmail target, it's Matt Gates.

00:32:27.000 And yet it seems that whatever they tried to do to Matt Gates didn't involve directly blackmailing him, as in, we will do this unless you change your behavior.

00:32:37.000 Or if it did, he hasn't alleged it.

00:32:38.000 Or maybe he was so disagreeable and just kept on saying he was insistent and that he, then they went scorched earth and they said they leaked.

00:32:47.000 The Department of Justice leaked that they had an active trafficking investigation into Gates.

00:32:53.000 I think to try to put him in a bottle of somebody's mind.

00:32:56.000 What my frustration here is, is this is a very long-running conservative and just really political belief.

00:33:03.000 It's, you know, when people, you know, like when an army loses a battle, they always sit claim that they were betrayed.

00:33:09.000 That's why they lost the battle.

00:33:10.000 This is what, you know, the Nazis were obsessed with.

00:33:12.000 They lost World War I because they got betrayed by somebody.

00:33:15.000 And when factions lose struggles, they like to look for traitors.

00:33:19.000 They like to look for how someone undermined them.

00:33:22.000 And it's very tempting.

00:33:25.000 Yeah, they like scapegoats and they like the idea that they only lost because someone undermines them.

00:33:30.000 And this is what it manifests as is conservatives love looking for blackmail.

00:33:37.000 They love looking for kind of secret conspiracies, you know, pedophile rings, all that stuff.

00:33:41.000 And what I think can often be the case is more mundane.

00:33:44.000 Like, okay, why do Republicans disappoint us?

00:33:46.000 Well, we nominate and elect Republicans who are kind of pro all these things we dislike.

00:33:51.000 You know, they're not as conservative as we are publicly.

00:33:54.000 And so there's that.

00:33:58.000 And as you say, you know, this can be explained by mundane things.

00:34:01.000 Like, okay, the DOJ leaked stuff about Gates.

00:34:03.000 That could be because it's fulfilling blackmail.

00:34:05.000 Or it could be because the DOJ is full of liberals who don't like Matt Gates and they want to damage him, just the way it was with Trump.

00:34:12.000 You know, all the stuff that's anti-Trump isn't a hypothetical.

00:34:15.000 Let me finish this, please.

00:34:17.000 All the stuff that's anti-Trump isn't because they're all trying to blackmail Trump.

00:34:20.000 It's because they hate Trump and they do stuff politically to hurt him for political reasons.

00:34:26.000 If Matt Gates would have come out and all of a sudden started to sound like Adam Kinzinger, do you think they would have proceeded?

00:34:33.000 Probably not.

00:34:34.000 Okay.

00:34:34.000 That's the point.

00:34:35.000 But is that.

00:34:37.000 No, no, that's the point.

00:34:38.000 The point is that if you vote and act a certain way, the dogs don't get that.

00:34:41.000 That's not that you just blackmail, though.

00:34:44.000 That's just like mundane political corruption.

00:34:46.000 Like that's Hunter Biden is not being spared because of blackmail.

00:34:50.000 Hunter Biden is spared because he is the son of a liberal president, and so he's not a target.

00:34:54.000 We are willing, Jack and I and Andrew are willing to go to the next by the way.

00:34:58.000 Definitely someone who had blackmail.

00:35:00.000 Yeah, there's tons of blackmail on him, and yet it doesn't seem to have it seems manifest as he gets protected.

00:35:07.000 So the outside of all, and I think it's not just sex crimes.

00:35:11.000 I think Andrew is right.

00:35:13.000 So let me ask you another question.

00:35:14.000 Do you think Bernie Sanders' political decisions was influenced at all by his wife being under criminal investigation in Vermont?

00:35:22.000 Yes, I think so.

00:35:23.000 I doubt it.

00:35:24.000 Jack, do you think that Bernie Sanders' political decisions were influenced by his wife being under criminal federal investigation for the handling of that defunct university in Vermont?

00:35:35.000 I think Chuck Schumer once said that the intelligence agencies have six ways from Sunday to get back at you.

00:35:41.000 And I think that Chuck Schumer knows a lot more about all of this stuff than any of us do.

00:35:46.000 Chuck Schumer, who, by the way, very interestingly, someone that he may know or potentially someone related to him, I'm not sure appears on page 39 of the Epstein flight logs.

00:35:55.000 And I've been talking about this all week on Twitter and on my programs, that there is a guy by the name of Chuck Schum.

00:36:03.000 So Chuck Schumer, almost the exact same name, but Chuck Schume without the R, who appears on page 39, flew on New Year's Day, 1996 from Palm Beach Island to Teterboro, which is in New Jersey, but also services the New York City area.

00:36:21.000 Very interestingly, right around where Chuck Schumer was.

00:36:26.000 And Gwendolyn Beck also happened to be on the plane at that time.

00:36:30.000 Gwendolyn Beck was the mistress of Bob Menendez.

00:36:33.000 So just, you know, since we're talking about blackmail and brownstoning and all of these things, it's interesting that Chuck Schum and Gwendolyn Beck were on the same Epstein flight. 0.74

00:36:41.000 So, so I want to let a pushback, for example, on the Sanders thing.

00:36:48.000 And it's very easy to build these elaborate stories when it's vague.

00:36:52.000 But okay, so the specific thing is, Christina Nolan was the U.S. attorney for Vermont 2017 to 2021.

00:36:58.000 She was a Republican who was appointed by Trump.

00:37:01.000 So are we alleging that the Trump administration, which inherited this investigation from the Obama days because it began with the Obamas, I believe, and they investigated this thing that they got from Democrats for several years and then decided we're going to drop it as part of a blackmail deal with Bernie Sanders, which means that the Trump administration is blackmailing far-left dominant.

00:37:22.000 I'm not sure what I'm alleging.

00:37:23.000 I'm bringing it up as a question.

00:37:26.000 So you said, when did the investigation start?

00:37:28.000 I believe it started around 2015 or 2016.

00:37:31.000 That's when the college failed.

00:37:32.000 It proved my point.

00:37:33.000 So the point is that under Obama.

00:37:35.000 They were prepping for third party and potentially run spoiler against Hillary Clinton because he had something super special and they wanted him to get in line.

00:37:46.000 And one of the ways you do that, and I'm sure he was worried about something around this college, it was a warning shot.

00:37:53.000 And it may have not even been a warning shot, but if you find out your wife is under criminal investigation for the handling of a college, you know what that means.

00:38:01.000 Okay, if you're Bernie Sanders.

00:38:02.000 He runs again in 2020 and this doesn't revive.

00:38:06.000 The investigation doesn't come back.

00:38:07.000 Another example.

00:38:08.000 Eric Adams.

00:38:09.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:38:10.000 And Bernie behaved.

00:38:12.000 Bernie behaved.

00:38:13.000 Bernie had it stolen again in 2020.

00:38:15.000 He ran again in 2020 and it was looking like he was going to win for a bit.

00:38:20.000 They had a fire drill to make it go to Biden, remember?

00:38:23.000 He never did the next thing where he complained about the process.

00:38:26.000 He endorsed Biden.

00:38:27.000 He got in line.

00:38:28.000 He's a boring explanation for this.

00:38:31.000 Bernie is a liberal who didn't want Trump to win.

00:38:34.000 So he didn't want to run third party and sabotage it.

00:38:36.000 Or he's a revolutionary that got blackmailed.

00:38:38.000 I just, I think, you know, are you familiar with Occam's Razor?

00:38:43.000 I'm familiar with the concept.

00:38:44.000 I just think Occam's Razor is Bernie is a liberal.

00:38:44.000 Yes.

00:38:47.000 And, you know, it's the same thing we would say with a Republican.

00:38:49.000 You know, if some Republican loses a race, other than, you know, probably Donald Trump would do it.

00:38:53.000 But most Republicans, even if they lose in a shady manner, aren't going to hand a race to a Democrat.

00:38:58.000 Blake, let's play Cut 47.

00:38:58.000 Okay, hold on.

00:39:00.000 This is the Six Ways to Sunday clip.

00:39:02.000 We played it earlier today, and I noticed something about it that I'd never noticed before.

00:39:06.000 If you play it and you play the, wait, wait till he sees, wait, wait till Schumer says they have six ways to Sunday of getting back at you, right?

00:39:15.000 You can almost see in the clip that Schumer realizes he said something he shouldn't have said, and then he quickly falls in line and then says something positive about the intel agencies, right?

00:39:26.000 It's almost like the guys who know know not to piss him off.

00:39:30.000 And that was the whole point of saying, like, Trump's really pissed him off.

00:39:34.000 And actually, we really need them and they're great.

00:39:36.000 And, you know, you know, and you can see Rachel Maddow gets very surprised.

00:39:40.000 It's a very, very, very interesting clip.

00:39:42.000 So when I, when you talk about Occam's razor, all of a sudden I look at this clip and I go, you're probably right, right?

00:39:48.000 It's like 70 Republicans vote for the FBI the day after the brothel gets raided.

00:39:53.000 Okay, maybe not all 70 of them are compromised.

00:39:56.000 Maybe like 10, maybe 15.

00:39:59.000 Isn't that actually the most logical option here when we know that politicians have been philanderers since time immoral?

00:40:06.000 I'm just saying.

00:40:07.000 So play CUP 47 and then watch the second half of this clip that most people don't watch.

00:40:12.000 This antagonism is taunting to the intelligence community.

00:40:16.000 You take on the intelligence community.

00:40:18.000 They have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you. 0.99

00:40:21.000 So even for a practical, supposedly hard-nosed businessman, he's being really dumb to do this. 0.94

00:40:26.000 What do you think the intelligence community would do if they were mostly? 0.93

00:40:29.000 I don't know, but from what I am told, they are very upset with how he has treated them and talked about them.

00:40:36.000 And we need the intelligence community.

00:40:38.000 We don't know what's going on.

00:40:39.000 Look at the Russian hacking.

00:40:41.000 Without the intelligence community, we wouldn't have discovered it.

00:40:44.000 Do you think he has an agenda to try to dismantle parts of the intelligence community?

00:40:48.000 I mean, this form of whether you're a super liberal Democrat or a very conservative Republican, you should be against dismantling the intelligence community.

00:40:58.000 Oh, see, he's like the little puppet there at the end because he knew he was out of line.

00:41:04.000 He said too much.

00:41:05.000 So, and remember, Schumer always used to say, I don't have a personal animus against Trump.

00:41:10.000 I'm not like my colleagues.

00:41:11.000 I've known Trump for years.

00:41:12.000 I don't have a personal animation.

00:41:14.000 It was almost like a bit of humanity that came out of Schumer in that moment where he's like, hey, you know, to my friend, you should knock it off because they're going to get you.

00:41:22.000 And yeah, at the same time, they kind of didn't.

00:41:26.000 Well, I mean, they tried very hard, but the worst thing I was accessing Hollywood tape.

00:41:32.000 And then they conjured up the fake Russia thing.

00:41:35.000 Well, because Trump was hamstrung in the presidency.

00:41:38.000 I just feel like if they're capable of all that other underhanded stuff, they probably could have also faked evidence the Russia hoax was real.

00:41:44.000 And they couldn't even manage that.

00:41:47.000 Well, I mean, what about all the color evolutions that have been run overseas?

00:41:52.000 I mean, we know that.

00:41:53.000 That's classic, though.

00:41:55.000 The intelligence community loves to claim credit for things that very well might have happened anyway or probably did happen anyway.

00:42:01.000 And then, you know, they kind of brush all of their other screw-ups under the rug, but we still hear about a ton of them.

00:42:07.000 So Blake's conspiracy theory is that the intel agencies are incompetent.

00:42:11.000 It's okay.

00:42:11.000 Yeah.

00:42:11.000 The biggest conspiracy theory is, you know, again, everyone loves to take credit for things.

00:42:16.000 And yet, every supposed success of our intelligence community requires perfect secrecy that they perfectly covered.

00:42:22.000 I'm sorry, but the honeypot thing is not that complicated.

00:42:26.000 It's the oldest trick in the book.

00:42:28.000 You lure people and, you know, men, maybe some women in with beautiful women.

00:42:33.000 I mean, that's not complicated.

00:42:34.000 And that's not that far of a stretch to believe that that would be the way that they operate.

00:42:39.000 And there's also, you know, this is foreign actors in this particular instance.

00:42:45.000 So it doesn't always have to be our CIA or our FBI.

00:42:48.000 This could be Mossad.

00:42:49.000 This could be the CCP or, you know, the KGB.

00:42:54.000 We just don't know.

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00:43:44.000 Okay, Claudine Gay is next.

00:43:46.000 This will be far less contentious, hopefully.

00:43:48.000 Well, hold on.

00:43:48.000 We have a video of Claudine Gay, I think.

00:43:51.000 Let's play Cut 86.

00:43:56.000 No, no, no, that's not the right one.

00:43:58.000 I'm sorry.

00:43:58.000 We have our numbers confused.

00:44:00.000 Sorry, continue.

00:44:01.000 No, no, that's her.

00:44:02.000 That's her.

00:44:03.000 And that's Bruce Ruffo behind the desk.

00:44:04.000 Yeah.

00:44:05.000 I recognize his haircut.

00:44:06.000 Yeah.

00:44:06.000 No, that's Chris.

00:44:08.000 Yeah.

00:44:09.000 So, yeah, Harvard's straightening out.

00:44:12.000 Gay's gone down. 0.99

00:44:13.000 Gay's out. 1.00

00:44:15.000 Gay no more. 1.00

00:44:16.000 Gay no more. 1.00

00:44:17.000 I think was our broadcast title. 1.00

00:44:19.000 Wait, we prayed the gay away. 1.00

00:44:20.000 We prayed the gay away. 1.00

00:44:22.000 Gay's gone. 1.00

00:44:23.000 Don't say gay. 1.00

00:44:25.000 And so God hates gay. 0.99

00:44:27.000 Is that what you're saying right now? 0.99

00:44:28.000 Wait, so is Harvard anti-gay? 0.97

00:44:30.000 It is at least they still have a lot of the gay. 1.00

00:44:33.000 I think she's still going to get like 900K a year to work in their African-American studies department.

00:44:38.000 They're just hiding. 0.99

00:44:39.000 So still maximize the gay. 1.00

00:44:41.000 They're just hiding this gay professor in the closet. 1.00

00:44:43.000 But so big picture, of course, she got taken out in a plagiarism scandal. 0.98

00:44:48.000 The plagiarism is real.

00:44:50.000 It was kind of lame.

00:44:51.000 Like a big highlight of this is sort of that the plagiarism standard at Harvard is extremely strict.

00:44:57.000 And so it's a lot of things like slightly rewording a thing and then also citing it, but like you didn't cite it enough or like you didn't put quotation marks around something.

00:45:08.000 The real scandal, of course, and JD Vance pointed this out either today or yesterday.

00:45:13.000 The real scandal is just that Claudine Gay was ever treated as a scholar in the first place. 0.89

00:45:20.000 She writes 11 papers over the span of about 25 years, all just sort of, you know, race hustle crap. 0.97

00:45:28.000 And she just relentlessly rises up through the ranks at Harvard, despite this total lack of scholarly excellence, as it were, in a fake field.

00:45:38.000 And she eventually is allowed to become president of Harvard University, which you don't have to be the best scholar in the world to be president of Harvard University, but this is generally an office that has been held by very distinguished academics.

00:45:51.000 As we mentioned yesterday, Larry Summers.

00:45:53.000 You don't have to agree with Larry Summers and everything.

00:45:55.000 He is an important American economist.

00:45:57.000 He advises presidents.

00:46:00.000 Kagan wasn't head of Harvard, but was head of Harvard Law School, like was in a pretty distinguished position as head of Harvard Law School and eventually ends up on the Supreme Court. 0.98

00:46:08.000 And then you just have Claudine Gay, and she's just this academic bureaucrat non-entity who just like rises up as like a fungus.

00:46:19.000 Well, I mean, and it really, I think it's starting to hit. 0.84

00:46:24.000 Blakey meth compares Claudine Gay to fungus.

00:46:28.000 It's just hitting Blake is working hard to win the audience back, folks.

00:46:31.000 He's working hard.

00:46:32.000 I'm doing my best.

00:46:33.000 There's a whole riot going on right now.

00:46:35.000 You have no, I'm trying to manage an insurrection in our thing in the Rumble chat.

00:46:41.000 We are, folks, we are reading the Rumble chat.

00:46:43.000 We are live tonight.

00:46:44.000 By the way, we're the number one stream on Rumble right now.

00:46:46.000 We're the number one stream on Rumble.

00:46:48.000 Text with your friends.

00:46:49.000 We're number one on Rumble right now.

00:46:50.000 The whole Rumble.

00:46:51.000 Are we serious?

00:46:52.000 I'm sorry, Blake.

00:46:52.000 Keep that out.

00:46:53.000 Keep on fungal, bacterial infection, cancer, tumor, virus, COVID.

00:46:57.000 Is there any other biological?

00:46:59.000 We're not just talking about Ron DeSantis.

00:47:02.000 Easy, Jack.

00:47:03.000 Easy.

00:47:03.000 I got to reign him in.

00:47:04.000 We still like Ron as a governor.

00:47:06.000 Reign it in.

00:47:07.000 Reign it in.

00:47:08.000 So, yeah, yeah, he's got a couple more years.

00:47:11.000 Like rat infestation, anything else you'd like to compare her to?

00:47:14.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:47:14.000 She's like, man, the black plague. 0.99

00:47:19.000 Ooh, oh, that's getting spicy, Charlie.

00:47:22.000 But, you know, easy guys. 0.99

00:47:24.000 But she was just.

00:47:25.000 Whoa, whoa, all I'm saying.

00:47:28.000 She started with fungus.

00:47:31.000 Yeah, I didn't say, I didn't call her black mold.

00:47:34.000 I didn't say that.

00:47:36.000 I didn't either.

00:47:36.000 So the chat goes, we need Blake.

00:47:39.000 Blake is okay.

00:47:40.000 Okay.

00:47:42.000 Yeah, someone else called me a word that I'm not going to do.

00:47:44.000 No, that's Blake, bro.

00:47:45.000 That's just Blake's account.

00:47:47.000 But anyway, so big picture.

00:47:50.000 I debated with my friends before Gay Gay.

00:47:54.000 And I was debating with them.

00:47:57.000 Is it better for Gay to remain as president of Harvard or not? 0.93

00:48:00.000 Like in a grand political scheme, because obviously Harvard has been super liberal well before her presidency.

00:48:07.000 It's been super liberal even when it had really impressive people leading it.

00:48:10.000 It's been a huge force of moving America to the left because it commands a huge amount of prestige.

00:48:17.000 It's this huge producer of elites.

00:48:19.000 It acculturates elites to this sort of liberal mindset, the sort of Massachusetts standard of Boston Brahmins.

00:48:26.000 And it's been doing that for ages.

00:48:29.000 It will continue to do this.

00:48:30.000 So would it have been good if Claudine Gay remained the head of the university because she would kind of discredit it? 0.78

00:48:36.000 Like we want Harvard to have a joke of a president because this would symbolically lower Harvard's standing, which would be good.

00:48:43.000 Yeah, that would be good.

00:48:44.000 And I go back and forth on that because it is obviously also good for Harvard hired absolute joke of a president and she got fired in about a year because she was a joke.

00:48:54.000 That's also good.

00:48:56.000 But it's also possible that we just end up with a much more effective president of Harvard who is still going to be an arch liberal.

00:49:03.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm actually, I'm surprised they did not double and triple down and not give an inch to any of us.

00:49:10.000 Yeah.

00:49:10.000 I'm actually, I think this is amazing because it shows that we can effectuate change.

00:49:15.000 These people can be moved towards something.

00:49:18.000 Now, whether it's actual progress or not, we'll see, but they're weaker than they have presented themselves.

00:49:24.000 It's kind of like, it's like Kamala Harris.

00:49:26.000 Like, would we rather have Kamala Harris as vice president being this sick joke and they can't get rid of Biden because Kamalo is disastrously unpopular?

00:49:35.000 Or would we rather have, I don't know, for that matter, would we rather have Gavin Newsom, like a, you know, somehow a straight white guy who managed to claw his way up the Democratic Party, probably really smart and effective for that because he had to overcome all these affirmative action barriers against him.

00:49:50.000 That guy would probably be a lot more dangerous as vice president.

00:49:53.000 So we kind of like that Kamala Harris is there.

00:49:55.000 So similarly, if we view Harvard as this hostile institution whose influence we want to go down, we want this fungus president who's just gumming it up, you know, derailing it, turning it into a joke. 0.72

00:50:06.000 Not if we don't notice, though.

00:50:08.000 Not if everybody still is like, not if everybody's still applying the same amount of prestige.

00:50:13.000 I think one of the best kind of messaging points here is that like, hey, if you go to Harvard, like, you know, we have less esteem for you now than we did before.

00:50:23.000 And that's something that Bill Ackman has been hitting on.

00:50:25.000 He's a the damage to the reputation of the university is something that grieves him, you know, as a, as a former, as a Harvard alum.

00:50:33.000 But I also think that the, the, the real issue here that we're kind of like talking around is the fact that all of this came to a head after October 7th.

00:50:43.000 October 7th is what essentially broke the back of DEI.

00:50:49.000 And I have a couple of thoughts on this.

00:50:51.000 The voices like Bill Ackman and what's the guy at Penn?

00:50:56.000 I'm just blanking on his name.

00:50:58.000 Mark Rowan.

00:50:59.000 Mark Rowan, who really helped lead the chalk because of the anti-Semitism.

00:51:05.000 I think, you know, Blake, you were the one that shared this tweet.

00:51:08.000 It was a Fisher King tweet.

00:51:10.000 And I thought it was brilliant because what it was essentially, I don't know if we can find that, Blake, maybe you know how to find it really quick, but the tweet was that they are forcing the white majority that is becoming less and less of a majority until we're going to become a plurality soon enough, especially with this border, to sort of adopt certain identitarian, I don't know, like an identity as a group within the country. 0.62

00:51:38.000 But we have not wanted to do that, but they are forcing the white community, the white population in America to do that, which is a really interesting thing because what we watched with after October 7th was we saw the Jewish community sort of organize and coalesce and start shouting from the rooftops that what was going on on campus was wrong. 0.54

00:51:57.000 It was wrong.

00:51:58.000 But it also exposed the fact that white Americans have basically, and Christians have been the only groups not allowed to sort of say, hey, we're getting prejudiced against.

00:52:09.000 We're getting discriminated against.

00:52:11.000 How come we don't have a voice in this?

00:52:13.000 Especially as we become more and more, I would say, targeted, more and more victimized by this run-amuck DEI regime. 1.00

00:52:25.000 And then we have this crazy stat that came out.

00:52:28.000 And Charlie, you did a great job highlighting it: is that 6% in the year after BLM, only 6% of, was it SP 100 jobs were given to white applicants.

00:52:39.000 94% of jobs were given to black applicants.

00:52:43.000 And so now you've kind of got this, I think, interesting opportunity for October 7th, tragedy as it was, to sort of open the door to a larger conversation.

00:52:54.000 And people like Bill Ackman are actually getting on board with it.

00:52:58.000 And we're having this conversation with diversity and hiring.

00:53:02.000 And you have some people on one side of it, like Mark Cuban, who's making a total ass of himself, pardon the French for the podcast.

00:53:09.000 But you've got Mark Cuban on one side.

00:53:10.000 You've got Bill Ackman, Elon Musk on the other.

00:53:13.000 And it feels like for the first time after October 7th, again, tragedy, that we are winning the debate.

00:53:21.000 And now we have X to thank for the fact that our voice gets to be elevated and not suppressed.

00:53:27.000 We're winning the debate about this run-amuck DEI.

00:53:31.000 And I do think, ironically enough, October 7th will be the end of DEI as we know it.

00:53:37.000 Now it's going to mutate and take other forms.

00:53:40.000 But as we know it, I think we are seeing the beginning of the end.

00:53:43.000 I hope.

00:53:44.000 Yeah, and I hope that it doesn't metamorphosize into DEI with Jewish students protected, quote unquote, carved out, but anti-white. 0.78

00:53:57.000 That's like the fear.

00:53:58.000 That's where this is getting an outcome.

00:54:00.000 And honestly, it's probably the most likely outcome.

00:54:03.000 Yeah, like DEI plus is if you're getting like Hulu Plus with an add-on.

00:54:08.000 Yeah.

00:54:08.000 You get Hulu plus live TV.

00:54:10.000 Well, you get DEI plus, you know, protections for Jewish kids, but total anti-white hatred still institutionalized.

00:54:18.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:54:19.000 Are we really going to cleanse the institutions of all of this anti-white nonsense? 0.95

00:54:27.000 Like, really? 0.99

00:54:28.000 No, of course not.

00:54:28.000 Yeah.

00:54:29.000 It's in the bone.

00:54:30.000 It's too in the fight.

00:54:31.000 It's too foundational to like too much of what they believe.

00:54:34.000 You still see this in everything they write.

00:54:36.000 You know, you'll get these articles.

00:54:38.000 There was just another one, you know, the other day where they'll be like, you know, they'll compare like black life expectancy is lower than white life expectancy. 0.93

00:54:45.000 It's become because of white systemic racism.

00:54:47.000 Or because of it.

00:54:48.000 And guess what?

00:54:49.000 Well, the funny thing about it is whites don't even have very good life expectancy in America. 0.95

00:54:53.000 Hispanics have higher life expectancy than white people, substantially, like two or three years, I think.

00:54:58.000 And, you know, that's despite being poorer.

00:55:00.000 That's despite whatever, you know, racism they encounter.

00:55:03.000 That's despite, I think they might even have a higher obesity rate or something.

00:55:06.000 Or it's, you know, it's at least comparable.

00:55:08.000 And then, of course, Asians also have a higher, higher life expectancy. 0.89

00:55:12.000 And, you know, you still get these articles that just are like, hate whitey, whitey, white, white, white, whitey.

00:55:17.000 And that's all these universities. 0.72

00:55:19.000 You have people whose entire careers.

00:55:21.000 The thing about Claudine Gay, the thing about Claudine Gay is that Claudine Gay's entire career is essentially built on, you know, get whitey. 0.98

00:55:31.000 Like her academic discipline is born out of left-wing critical race theory politics.

00:55:36.000 Her papers, such as they are, are basically plagiarizing other people's work on critical race theory politics.

00:55:42.000 And to say that you're just going to disassemble that overnight is very unlikely unless you have, you need like really revolutionary leadership.

00:55:51.000 You'd need people to come and say, we're going to like burst this, you know, amputate this entire tumor all at once.

00:55:58.000 It won't happen.

00:55:58.000 And I mean, while the gay resignation, I guess, is good, still getting a $900,000 salary and still teaching at Harvard, it's not going to reform the institution.

00:56:10.000 You need a revolution in morals.

00:56:11.000 I've got a couple of things here.

00:56:13.000 Go ahead, Jack.

00:56:14.000 I was going to say, so, so it's basically like you're saying that, and I agree with Blake wholeheartedly on this, that, you know, I don't think it's something you can just do overnight, but there's a couple of different things.

00:56:26.000 And Andrew, I think, brought it up as well.

00:56:28.000 So you are dealing with whites now starting to view themselves more as a specific group, mostly because they've been forced to by people in positions of power like Claudine Gay, constantly categorizing them as such in a way that whites, I don't think, internally have ever done.

00:56:46.000 It's only been externally through these new factors, but also since October 7th, and I know Charlie, you took some heat from this because you mentioned, you dared mention Jewish donors when you were talking about the alumni who were very upset about what was going on, specifically in regards to anti-Semitism.

00:57:04.000 And your point was that you now have sort of these two batches of, or maybe three batches of groups, conservatives, of course, most directly being so upset and targeting these administrators and targeting this system.

00:57:20.000 The real question is, is this going to be enough to actually break?

00:57:25.000 And it's not just DEI because it's all affirmative action. 0.65

00:57:27.000 And Blake, you and I got into this in the Chronicle series in the fourth episode when we started talking about the 1960s.

00:57:35.000 And that all of this, like, if you want to know where awokeness comes from, you really do have to go all the way back to the 1960s.

00:57:40.000 So you can't just sit there and say, oh, well, this specific program is bad or this specific person is bad.

00:57:47.000 It's like we have to really go out and examine the structures on which all of this was built.

00:57:54.000 If we want to go back to the original Republic, this idea, and you and I got into it, we go into a lot about, you know, all men created equal.

00:58:03.000 What does that mean?

00:58:04.000 Equality of outcomes, et cetera.

00:58:06.000 That, you know, and Charlie, I know in the conservative movement, we like to talk about that all the time: equality before the law, equality before the law.

00:58:12.000 But we've imported so many people in this country, millions and tens of millions of people into this country that have no idea what that distinction means.

00:58:21.000 They hear equality.

00:58:22.000 They look at the government and the relationship between the U.S. government and them as basically a social services compact because that's what it's like in their home countries.

00:58:30.000 And so they're like, all right, well, what do I get?

00:58:32.000 What am I getting out of this?

00:58:34.000 And if I'm not getting as much as that group or this group, then I'm going to demand it.

00:58:38.000 And that's how they vote with their politics.

00:58:39.000 And I know we're kind of getting into third topic territory.

00:58:42.000 I do want to get there eventually.

00:58:44.000 But I don't, I think this is not necessarily something that's, all right.

00:58:50.000 What they're trying to do is they're trying to get rid of DEI, but keep affirmative action. 0.78

00:58:55.000 And that's the problem.

00:58:56.000 You have to actually go back to the heart of it.

00:58:59.000 Well, and by the way, I'm not saying that DEI is dead yet.

00:59:04.000 What I'm saying is you've got the ideological foundation because October 7th exposed a massive fault line in the ideology, right?

00:59:13.000 It exposed all the contradictions.

00:59:15.000 Now, there's two approaches here that you could take.

00:59:18.000 You could say, I'm pissed off that all the Jews got involved because of the anti-Semitism on campus.

00:59:23.000 Where were you before when they were blatantly anti-white and you didn't say anything? 0.94

00:59:27.000 I'm pissed. 0.84

00:59:28.000 I don't want to talk to you.

00:59:29.000 Some people have said that.

00:59:30.000 I take a different approach, although I understand the animosity and the frustration there.

00:59:35.000 But if people like Bill Ackman are going to wake up and include all groups, including white people, that they should not be discriminated against.

00:59:44.000 And, you know, if you read his long sort of screed on Twitter, he's actually saying like, hey, the most qualified person should be the next president of Harvard.

00:59:56.000 And by the way, you should fire all of the board.

00:59:58.000 So what I'm saying is it might take decades to fully root it out, but for the first time ever, we can go on, Charlie, you've made this point.

01:00:07.000 It's like, you can go on Twitter and say replacement theory is real.

01:00:10.000 It's not a theory.

01:00:10.000 It's a fact.

01:00:11.000 And it's like, you know, it's a ripple.

01:00:14.000 It's not even that big of a deal.

01:00:15.000 It's not like the Overton window has now moved and the people, the folks on the right that need to speak up are finally starting to do it.

01:00:23.000 And there's less fear involved.

01:00:24.000 And I would say ultimately, that's what, that's why I think that the progress is moving in the right direction.

01:00:31.000 It's not dead yet.

01:00:32.000 It might take for a long time, but ultimately, you know, one thing I would love to get into, maybe not for another thought crime, is repeal the Civil Rights Act. 0.58

01:00:43.000 I mean, we should, we should, we should reform that.

01:00:46.000 Yeah, we should reform the Civil Rights Act.

01:00:48.000 It's way too far-reaching.

01:00:50.000 Oh, yeah.

01:00:51.000 I mean, we, that's, is that a thought crime anymore to say the Civil Rights Act was an official?

01:00:55.000 Yeah, I think over the last like three years, it's become, it's still probably like, give me a abbreviated rundown of what you said the other day.

01:01:02.000 Well, I mean, it's just that, first of all, it's like, it's almost like everyone got conned.

01:01:07.000 Like what we wanted was, is in the 1950s, we have the remnants of, I don't, I shouldn't say remnants, it's still pretty strong, Jim Crow in the South and in a few other places.

01:01:17.000 And people were sold this bill of goods that, okay, we need, we'll pass this law to abolish this like overt government caste system over society.

01:01:26.000 And, you know, that's all it's going to be.

01:01:27.000 It's just going to be, you know, get rid of the really bad caste system stuff.

01:01:30.000 And then pretty much immediately, we get, you know, modern DEI under a different name.

01:01:36.000 We start getting quota systems.

01:01:38.000 We start getting, you know, egregious racial favoritism because people basically equality is kind of traumatic to people, if real equality, because actual equal opportunity, it lays bare some things.

01:01:52.000 It lays bare that some people are more talented than others, that some people work harder than others.

01:01:57.000 It lays bare that some people have better habits than others, and that this produces different outcomes for others.

01:02:04.000 And it's very hard for people to accept this.

01:02:07.000 It is a challenging thing.

01:02:09.000 Having a liberal society in the small L sense is difficult for people.

01:02:14.000 And so instead, you know, what people want is they actually kind of do want equality of outcome.

01:02:19.000 A lot of people would prefer that.

01:02:21.000 And so you start getting right away aggressive interventions.

01:02:24.000 And so you start seeing all the stuff that is happening today is this payoff from it.

01:02:27.000 You know, how did Claudine Gay rise through academia?

01:02:30.000 Well, she's an African-American studies professor. 0.95

01:02:33.000 Why does that department exist? 0.93

01:02:34.000 Was there an African-American studies department at Harvard in 1820?

01:02:37.000 No, there wasn't.

01:02:37.000 No.

01:02:38.000 It's something that was created in the 60s.

01:02:40.000 It should be totally because protesters took over buildings and made threats.

01:02:44.000 Make this bogus department.

01:02:46.000 Academic terrorism.

01:02:46.000 And at the time.

01:02:49.000 At the time.

01:02:50.000 I was going to say the sorry.

01:02:51.000 Sorry.

01:02:52.000 At the time, there's all these people who are saying, yeah, if you make this department, it's just going to be this bogus political thing and all the classes will be easy.

01:02:59.000 By the way, African-American studies departments are famously brain-dead, easy classes that you can like write and crayon on the paper and get an A. 1.00

01:03:06.000 And we do this in part because we have affirmative action to get into universities.

01:03:11.000 And so you have people who aren't smart enough to be in the school normally.

01:03:14.000 So they fail other classes.

01:03:15.000 So they need an easy department they can go to so that they can get good grades and then justify all these other things.

01:03:20.000 Like we've totally screwed up meritocracy at every level because of the DEI monstrosity.

01:03:27.000 And it's so much deeper than people think.

01:03:30.000 It is not even merely someone getting hired or promoted for the wrong reason.

01:03:33.000 It's like it's rotted away at our entire idea of a merit-based system.

01:03:40.000 The align you had that I thought was so great when we were talking about Martin Luther King is you said that conservatives tend to mythologize MLK's I have a dream speech because they love the words that he says in the speech.

01:03:53.000 But then you look at what happened with the movement next and the very next thing the movement pushed for was affirmative action.

01:04:00.000 So it was just like the Obama era where you have these wonderful poetic flowery speeches that don't actually match up with anything that's going on on the ground because here he is painting this wonderful picture of a colorblind society, but that's not actually what the movement was reaching for.

01:04:16.000 Yeah.

01:04:16.000 Or it's even if it was what they were reaching for, the reality is traumatic.

01:04:21.000 You know, it's like we end up with race communism. 0.86

01:04:24.000 Yeah, you end up with race causing. 0.71

01:04:25.000 Or, you know, it could even be, you know, they'll say like Frederick Douglass would say, you know, give us an equal chance and, you know, we'll succeed or fail.

01:04:32.000 And then if you give them the equal chance and they kind of start failing in response to it, you kind of have two options.

01:04:38.000 You can say, we have severe problems, either culturally or otherwise.

01:04:43.000 And those problems might not even be easily fixable.

01:04:45.000 They might be impossible to fix.

01:04:47.000 Or you can believe actually there's hidden double secret racism.

01:04:50.000 There's systemic racism that hasn't been taken out.

01:04:52.000 Yes.

01:04:53.000 And it is extremely, you know, there is a strong incentive mentally to believe the second option.

01:04:59.000 It's understandable someone would want to believe the second option.

01:05:03.000 And, you know, you can get away with, get away from race for it.

01:05:05.000 You know, imagine in a religious basis, like let's say, you know, this branch of Christianity does substantially worse than all these different measures from another one.

01:05:16.000 It's, you know, if you're in that community, it's really not pleasant to contemplate.

01:05:20.000 Maybe even if I believe this religion, maybe it has some aspect of it that causes us to be held back culturally or otherwise.

01:05:28.000 And it's just, it's not pleasant to believe these things.

01:05:31.000 People don't like to believe unpleasant things.

01:05:33.000 People will embrace delusions and fantasies.

01:05:36.000 And the problem of DEI is we've essentially rebuilt our entire civilization around a fantasy.

01:05:43.000 And eventually the bill does come due, but it's a big country.

01:05:47.000 It can take decades and decades for it to happen.

01:05:49.000 And now we're seeing it.

01:05:50.000 Well, it's starting to come due.

01:05:51.000 Like South Africa. 0.71

01:05:53.000 Yes.

01:05:53.000 And it's starting to come due for a variety of reasons because it is at odds with truth and justice.

01:05:58.000 Truth and justice are the immune system of any civilization.

01:06:04.000 And you suppress truth and justice, you get very, very sick.

01:06:08.000 And wokeism or DEI cannot exist with truth and justice, period.

01:06:12.000 Cannot.

01:06:13.000 Especially truth, because justice, you could have truth is what leads to justice.

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01:07:16.000 All right, guys, we're a little low on time.

01:07:17.000 We can go a little over time.

01:07:18.000 How do you want to navigate and proceed?

01:07:20.000 We have a whole menu of stuff.

01:07:21.000 Should we just do that poll quick?

01:07:23.000 I mean, it kind of pledge.

01:07:25.000 I do that we go to the pledge because we're never going to get to it.

01:07:28.000 I've wanted to talk about this for four months now, but I find it's interesting.

01:07:32.000 Say what it used to be and now what it is.

01:07:34.000 Okay, so it was so impossible when I got removed, right?

01:07:37.000 So we haven't even explained what the pledge is.

01:07:40.000 I'll do that.

01:07:41.000 Okay, so we call it the pledge.

01:07:42.000 That's vague.

01:07:43.000 So it's called the Greerhead Pledge. 0.98

01:07:44.000 Scott Greer is a guy I used to work with at the Daily Caller.

01:07:47.000 He's got a blog now.

01:07:47.000 He's a guy on the right.

01:07:49.000 Controversial figures.

01:07:51.000 Ever disclaimer, whatever.

01:07:53.000 Highly respected, I hear.

01:07:54.000 Yeah, highly respected.

01:07:55.000 And so he has a thing he created called the Greerhead Pledge because I guess his followers are Greerheads for whatever reason. 0.85

01:08:01.000 And it's got four pieces of it.

01:08:03.000 It's like, you know, four things you should do to rebel against modern American cultural rot.

01:08:11.000 And the four things as they currently are are: I will not smoke weed.

01:08:16.000 I will not get a tattoo.

01:08:18.000 I will not watch Marvel movies.

01:08:20.000 And is it no alcohol?

01:08:23.000 And no, weed, Marvel movies. 1.00

01:08:26.000 Crap. 0.99

01:08:26.000 I'm totally spacing on the video. 0.99

01:08:29.000 I literally did.

01:08:30.000 And then I forgot.

01:08:32.000 There was, I will not watch the NFL.

01:08:34.000 No rap, no, no rap music.

01:08:35.000 No rap music.

01:08:36.000 So this is easy.

01:08:38.000 Don't smoke weed.

01:08:39.000 This is out.

01:08:39.000 Don't watch a Marvel movie.

01:08:40.000 Don't get a tattoo.

01:08:41.000 Hold on, hold on.

01:08:42.000 And it used to have.

01:08:45.000 Say it once without any crosstalk.

01:08:47.000 All right, all right.

01:08:48.000 Without any crosstalk, four parts of the current pledge: I will not listen to rap music.

01:08:52.000 I will not get a tattoo.

01:08:53.000 I will not watch Marvel movies.

01:08:55.000 I will not smoke weed.

01:08:57.000 And I know it's very easy for you.

01:08:58.000 It's very easy for me as well.

01:09:00.000 But it's very hard for a lot of people.

01:09:03.000 Like something like 45% of Americans have tattoos now.

01:09:07.000 Rap music is extremely popular for some unfathomable reasons.

01:09:11.000 Whoever wrote that must be 6'2 with an IQ around at least 187.

01:09:15.000 I know, probably measured scientific.

01:09:16.000 Does it really have his?

01:09:17.000 Does he really have an IQ of 187?

01:09:19.000 I find this very noble.

01:09:21.000 Yes.

01:09:21.000 Yes, he does.

01:09:22.000 Are you serious?

01:09:24.000 Yeah.

01:09:25.000 I can't tell if you're like mocking or not.

01:09:28.000 No way.

01:09:30.000 It might be 100%.

01:09:31.000 Charlie, we have data on this.

01:09:33.000 It was literally 27.

01:09:34.000 Probably 180 now.

01:09:35.000 Yes.

01:09:37.000 Why would he put it on his Twitter account if it was not true?

01:09:39.000 Charlie, it's on Twitter.

01:09:41.000 Would he lie about his height?

01:09:42.000 That's where the Epstein files are.

01:09:45.000 So to explain it more, because again, one, this is bizarre difference.

01:09:49.000 People love their weed for some reason.

01:09:51.000 People love their rap music for some reason.

01:09:53.000 And kind of each one of them, as he explains it, is sort of pushing back on like a degenerate angle of American culture, a way American culture is going rotten.

01:10:04.000 So tattoo.

01:10:05.000 And so that's why certain things could definitely be there.

01:10:07.000 Like there's no, I will not use porn, but sort of the no weed kind of is part of that.

01:10:13.000 It's that you're pushing back on this.

01:10:15.000 So weed is that there's this widespread acceptance of like bad addictive crap in American life that people are, you know, doing all these drugs, doing all this stuff that's self-destructive, and we just wallow in it.

01:10:26.000 And it's, you know, it's considered okay to talk about, you know, we have ads for it everywhere. 0.98

01:10:31.000 And that's trashy.

01:10:31.000 He's sort of saying we should aspire to bring back kind of old 50s and before WASP culture, even if we're not WASPs.

01:10:38.000 That was a good culture that was good for America that we should aspire to.

01:10:42.000 Rap music.

01:10:42.000 It's about sort of like, you know, the underclass culture of America.

01:10:47.000 So, you know, extolling, you know, all this trashy stuff rather than like good music.

01:10:52.000 And it's not that, you know, we're going to ban rap music, but it probably is not the best thing to extol, especially when the lyrics are like vulgar and violent and just very trashy.

01:11:02.000 And just to finish it.

01:11:03.000 And then the no Marvel movies thing is not that Marvel itself is specifically ultra-evil.

01:11:08.000 It's as he describes it, it's pushing against like the Reddit culture of America.

01:11:12.000 So being obsessed with franchises and, you know, oh, the new Star Wars movie, oh my gosh.

01:11:17.000 And like being all that was my question.

01:11:20.000 Does Star Wars now count as a Marvel movie because Star Wars is technically under the same umbrella at Disney?

01:11:26.000 Like the same people working on it.

01:11:27.000 It's not literally a Marvel movie, but spiritually refusing to watch Star Wars does adhere with what the pledge is going for, which we have all these people who care so much about Star Wars.

01:11:38.000 And you can now find threads on Reddit where people are.

01:11:41.000 I quit watching Game of Thrones in what?

01:11:45.000 Season five, episode nine.

01:11:46.000 So I've never seen past season five, episode nine of Game of Thrones.

01:11:49.000 But it's like these Star Wars movies.

01:11:50.000 And I ran like a Game of Thrones blog.

01:11:52.000 You can find Reddit threads where people are talking, how can I make sure that my kids grow up to be Star Wars fans?

01:11:59.000 Like not like, oh, you know, I'm Catholic.

01:12:01.000 How do I make sure?

01:12:03.000 How do I make sure my kids like Empire Strikes Back?

01:12:07.000 I was in Pennsylvania recently.

01:12:08.000 So I was visiting my family.

01:12:09.000 I was up there.

01:12:10.000 Dude, I saw so many millennials with Star Wars stuff all over their cars with children.

01:12:18.000 It's like, as you say, raising their kids to be pro-Star Wars the same way that my parents raised us to be, I don't know, Catholic.

01:12:27.000 Well, yeah, Eagles fans and especially this week.

01:12:31.000 Oh my gosh.

01:12:32.000 You get the run back.

01:12:33.000 And then, you know, blow the Eagles have this great, this great thing they do where when you apply a little bit of pressure, they completely fold.

01:12:40.000 Say it's actually a coping mechanism, defense mechanism that's learned, evolved over the years.

01:12:44.000 But yeah, being Eagles fans or being Catholic or Polish culture, et cetera.

01:12:48.000 No, now all of that out the window.

01:12:50.000 It's all Star Wars on like every car that I saw with kids in it.

01:12:54.000 So by the way, we're actually taking in the posto household, we are taking the Greer Pledge or, you know, or making our own version of this to the next level.

01:13:05.000 So not only are we doing, I already don't watch Marvel movies, but we are also raising our children Star Wars free.

01:13:14.000 So at this point, my kids, including not actually all of it, all of it.

01:13:20.000 All of it.

01:13:21.000 I think you know one, two, three.

01:13:23.000 We saw that part of the debate.

01:13:24.000 So the and there's no Star Wars whatsoever.

01:13:26.000 My kids have no idea what, like, if you go to Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker, they like, they're like, what is that?

01:13:31.000 I have no idea what that is.

01:13:32.000 Sounds great.

01:13:33.000 The pledge used to not have the tattoo line, and it instead had I will not watch the NFL.

01:13:39.000 And he actually did a whole essay explaining why he took out I will not watch the NFL.

01:13:45.000 And I think it's kind of interesting what he's getting at because arguably the NFL is like the biggest one of these things that like conservatives can't quit watching it.

01:13:53.000 It's hyper addictive.

01:13:54.000 We just love football. 0.98

01:13:55.000 And then the NFL comes out and does these ads that are like, the NFL is gay. 0.97

01:13:59.000 The NFL is trans. 0.98

01:14:00.000 We're going to write in the end zone that like we love BLM. 0.94

01:14:03.000 And, you know, they'll just do all these like ritual humiliations.

01:14:06.000 So it wasn't about sports.

01:14:08.000 I will meet, I will meet conservatives who will brag about how the NFL is going woke and going broke.

01:14:14.000 And they still watch the NFL, which hints at the deeper reality that it's not going broke.

01:14:19.000 The NFL is more successful than ever.

01:14:21.000 Its ratings are breaking records.

01:14:23.000 It is ludicrously financially well off.

01:14:26.000 They're forcing us to care about Taylor Swift dating Travis Kelsey, even though I have no organic reason to care about that.

01:14:33.000 It's almost like they're spiking the football.

01:14:36.000 If you want to imagine the future, to paraphrase Orwell, imagine a rainbow-colored football being spiked into your face forever.

01:14:43.000 But he took it out.

01:14:44.000 And what he argued is that the NFL, it's not a raw negative.

01:14:49.000 He kind of says all the other four things are just bad.

01:14:51.000 There's essentially no upside to them.

01:14:53.000 But the NFL, he says, represents the current state of America in its glory and ugliness.

01:14:59.000 It is the ultimate example of American culture.

01:15:02.000 The Super Bowl is the most popular event in our country.

01:15:05.000 It highlights all our cultural and social trends.

01:15:08.000 Many of these trends disgust us, but they do represent the current state of the country.

01:15:13.000 And we can still criticize the NFL, but it does have upside too.

01:15:17.000 Like football is a beautiful sport.

01:15:19.000 It is a great sport.

01:15:20.000 You can imagine an NFL that is 100% good.

01:15:24.000 And we can imagine improving the NFL.

01:15:25.000 Whereas we can never make Marvel movies, not cringe.

01:15:28.000 Weed is always bad.

01:15:30.000 Tattoos, unless you're like a sailor, are always bad. 0.57

01:15:34.000 And that's even in the pledge.

01:15:35.000 Like you can get a tattoo if you're a sailor, basically.

01:15:37.000 So glad I didn't get a tattoo.

01:15:39.000 I'm so glad.

01:15:41.000 As a guy who was in the Navy, I think I'm the only guy who's ever gone through eight years in the Navy without getting a tattoo or having one sip of alcohol the entire time.

01:15:52.000 Apparently, a majority of women under 40 have tattoos now.

01:15:56.000 Really? 0.70

01:15:57.000 And women are more likely to get tattoos than men, I believe.

01:16:01.000 It's very, can we do an actual pledge that's hard?

01:16:04.000 This stuff's not hard.

01:16:05.000 What would be the harder version?

01:16:06.000 What's the Kirk alcohol?

01:16:07.000 No alcohol.

01:16:08.000 Right?

01:16:08.000 Culture?

01:16:09.000 No, it's 18 years strong.

01:16:10.000 It's only nose.

01:16:11.000 Is that right?

01:16:12.000 It's only nose.

01:16:12.000 It's no's.

01:16:13.000 No carbohydrates.

01:16:14.000 No carbohydrates.

01:16:16.000 Or how about like no sugar?

01:16:17.000 No sugar.

01:16:18.000 Maybe no refined sugar?

01:16:20.000 No sugar.

01:16:21.000 No high sign.

01:16:23.000 They're not impossible.

01:16:23.000 Well, it's hard and pops.

01:16:25.000 Seed oils.

01:16:26.000 This is our first show after New Year's.

01:16:27.000 So doing resolutions, right?

01:16:29.000 No, I would do sugar.

01:16:31.000 I would do sugar.

01:16:32.000 Yeah, okay.

01:16:32.000 No corn steer.

01:16:33.000 No corn syrup.

01:16:34.000 That's good.

01:16:34.000 No corn syrup.

01:16:35.000 No corn syrup.

01:16:36.000 No alcohol.

01:16:37.000 No alcohol.

01:16:38.000 Can you get to four?

01:16:41.000 Well, I would tell the Kirkhead pledge.

01:16:42.000 No pornography.

01:16:43.000 The thought crime pledge.

01:16:44.000 No porn.

01:16:45.000 No porn.

01:16:46.000 That is normal.

01:16:47.000 Or how about no streaming apps?

01:16:50.000 Like, no.

01:16:51.000 Aren't we on a streaming?

01:16:52.000 No, like, no Netflix, no Hulu, no, no Amazon.

01:16:58.000 That would be good.

01:16:58.000 I think I like that.

01:16:59.000 I still pass.

01:17:00.000 How about no social media?

01:17:01.000 Still in.

01:17:02.000 No social media.

01:17:03.000 I like that one.

01:17:04.000 I don't use any social media.

01:17:05.000 No social media.

01:17:05.000 Well, you make me do social media.

01:17:08.000 I don't do it.

01:17:09.000 No, that's a cop-out, though, because you gotta, you have your social media shop is good.

01:17:13.000 No, it's not because I don't consume it, Jack.

01:17:15.000 I have a whole speech on this.

01:17:16.000 The consumption and production are two different things.

01:17:19.000 Pushing out content.

01:17:20.000 Okay, but the cop-out is that you are still asking.

01:17:23.000 I'm a drug dealer, not a consumer of the product.

01:17:26.000 He doesn't use the product.

01:17:28.000 All right, now he's honest, folks.

01:17:29.000 No, but it's true.

01:17:30.000 You never get high.

01:17:31.000 But I like low.

01:17:33.000 Social media, I do think, is a big underrated product.

01:17:36.000 I thought they should have ended bad, by the way.

01:17:38.000 That's how I'd ruin parties in DC.

01:17:39.000 I'm just like, social media is just like, so if you do a ton of social media, mine's harder than Greer's, though, right?

01:17:45.000 I think so.

01:17:46.000 Hold on.

01:17:47.000 No refined sugar.

01:17:47.000 What did we just say?

01:17:49.000 No fructose, no corn syrup.

01:17:51.000 No alcohol.

01:17:52.000 That's a good one, right?

01:17:52.000 Okay, no corn syrup.

01:17:54.000 No alcohol.

01:17:55.000 No social media.

01:17:56.000 Wait, wait, producer Foze has a compromise.

01:17:59.000 No social media on the weekends.

01:18:01.000 So, Charlie, this kind of builds off what you do on Saturdays.

01:18:04.000 He's cucking out on that one.

01:18:06.000 It's got to be no.

01:18:07.000 What do you mean?

01:18:07.000 The Greer Pledge is not like other than the Sailor thing for tattoos.

01:18:11.000 It's not like no Marvel movies, except when your kids are really, really excited to see it.

01:18:16.000 We wouldn't even know about it.

01:18:17.000 Yeah.

01:18:18.000 Hold on.

01:18:18.000 All of Greer's.

01:18:20.000 There's a structural issue here because none of this stuff would exist without social media.

01:18:25.000 Like our entire field, our entire industry wouldn't exist without social media.

01:18:28.000 So you can't just say no social media.

01:18:32.000 I feel like I could concede Twitter.

01:18:33.000 Twitter I can kind of tolerate, although you have to recognize there's very bad ways of doing it.

01:18:38.000 But like Facebook, Facebook has gotten over.

01:18:42.000 I'm never going to do it.

01:18:43.000 Instagram and TikTok are like really the two ones like that really destroy people's plans.

01:18:48.000 And YouTube for that matter.

01:18:49.000 Like YouTube is a weaponized algorithm that just...

01:18:52.000 My life got better when I got rid of the YouTube app and I just look at YouTube through Safari.

01:18:56.000 Completely different experience.

01:18:57.000 The YouTube app operates like a social media app.

01:18:59.000 It pushes.

01:18:59.000 Oh, we do that.

01:19:00.000 Yeah, we actually do that.

01:19:01.000 Yeah, the YouTube apps totally manipulates you.

01:19:03.000 You have to push notifications.

01:19:05.000 Oh, it's awful.

01:19:06.000 So I guess my pledge is no corn syrup.

01:19:08.000 I noticed that with my kids, no social media.

01:19:11.000 What was the fourth one?

01:19:12.000 No porn.

01:19:12.000 I guess that's the other thing.

01:19:13.000 Yeah, yeah, no.

01:19:14.000 Or how about no streaming apps?

01:19:16.000 Like no Netflix, no whoops.

01:19:19.000 How about we just do, we got to do alcohol or corn syrup because they're both food ones.

01:19:22.000 So you kind of just want one food one.

01:19:24.000 Yeah, but there's no positive.

01:19:25.000 So you can't tell people to do stuff.

01:19:26.000 There's only subtraction, right?

01:19:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:27.000 So I would say like maybe no, so you can maybe do no alcohol, no streaming apps, no bad social media, no porn.

01:19:35.000 That's a pretty good set of four.

01:19:38.000 Or would you rather have no corn syrup instead?

01:19:41.000 No what?

01:19:42.000 No hookup apps.

01:19:43.000 Those things are destroying our so Ryan asks, how are you going to do that?

01:19:50.000 I say older NCW like direct TV.

01:19:52.000 You know, rather than no hookup apps, I think you just have to say like no hookups.

01:19:55.000 Oh, yeah.

01:19:56.000 That seems more straight to the point.

01:19:57.000 Radical, people should save themselves for marriage. 1.00

01:19:59.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:20:00.000 So no premarital stuff.

01:20:00.000 Yeah, date to marry only.

01:20:02.000 That would be trad.

01:20:03.000 That would be hard.

01:20:04.000 That's so trad.

01:20:06.000 I say this and people's eyes light up as if I'm telling them to fast.

01:20:11.000 This is a problem.

01:20:12.000 I love that you just called this out.

01:20:14.000 So if you agree with something that you came to completely independently, but it happens to fit in this bucket of like, you know, TradCon or TradCath or something like, it's like, I read the Bible when I was becoming a Christian in college and I was like, well, no sex before marriage, obviously.

01:20:32.000 It's not like a big revelation.

01:20:34.000 I'm not trying to fit to some bucket.

01:20:36.000 You know what I mean?

01:20:36.000 It's like, it's like, anyways, but that's what those traditional things are.

01:20:40.000 But also, if you've made the reason we have the tradition.

01:20:43.000 But I'm not trying to fit in a bucket.

01:20:45.000 And that's what ticks me off is that all of a sudden you get like labeled.

01:20:48.000 Also, it's radical.

01:20:49.000 That's what Andrew's saying.

01:20:50.000 I actually hated normal.

01:20:51.000 I actually hated very normal.

01:20:53.000 No, I get what Andrew's saying, though.

01:20:56.000 No, when I quit, when I quit drinking, everyone's like, oh, so you're going straight edge.

01:21:00.000 And I was like, no, I'm not going straight edge.

01:21:01.000 I just don't want to drink.

01:21:03.000 And I don't know.

01:21:03.000 I don't know what that is.

01:21:05.000 You're too young.

01:21:06.000 I know it's just like early 2000s.

01:21:08.000 It was like, early 2000s, you have all these punk bands and they decide to reinvent being a normal person.

01:21:14.000 And yeah, I'm straight edge.

01:21:16.000 I don't do drugs.

01:21:18.000 I don't binge drink.

01:21:19.000 I don't do all this other stuff.

01:21:21.000 By the way, okay, so you're like my parents.

01:21:24.000 Congratulations.

01:21:25.000 Oh, is you straight edge?

01:21:26.000 You're straight edge.

01:21:26.000 I'm like, no, I just don't want to do that stuff anymore.

01:21:28.000 I'm not like identifying as.

01:21:32.000 So yeah, Gander, I get what you're saying.

01:21:33.000 Yeah, but I just like, no, I'm not adopting a lead.

01:21:37.000 Because like, all of a sudden, like, I don't know.

01:21:39.000 I'm not trying to be like 100% trad anything.

01:21:43.000 I just want to be what the Bible says to be.

01:21:45.000 I don't know.

01:21:45.000 I just feel like it shoots ourselves in the foot.

01:21:47.000 That's all.

01:21:48.000 Charlie's a movie.

01:21:49.000 Could you do a pledge to not watch college football?

01:21:51.000 That would be tough.

01:21:53.000 That would be the toughest.

01:21:54.000 I mean, that would be good.

01:21:55.000 Because it's supposed to be something hard for you.

01:21:57.000 Why would you do it?

01:21:58.000 Why would you do it anyways?

01:21:59.000 Why is college football?

01:22:00.000 There's a lot of reasons college football is bad.

01:22:02.000 No, I acknowledge it.

01:22:03.000 It's one of my, I legitimately.

01:22:05.000 Chat loves this.

01:22:06.000 I don't, I don't even try to justify it.

01:22:09.000 I say it's a legit indulgence.

01:22:11.000 I think that's the healthiest way.

01:22:13.000 The way I look at, I mean, I've got you done the national championship.

01:22:18.000 I'm already looking at Oregon's recruiting boards today.

01:22:23.000 I'm a sick person.

01:22:24.000 Okay.

01:22:25.000 I'm looking at who they're recruiting in high school.

01:22:27.000 I'm looking at like what 18-year-olds are going to Eugene.

01:22:30.000 No, but I mean, why is it bad?

01:22:32.000 I will honestly say when I watch a day of college football, my dopamine is so shot, more so than like a crazy day of Amfest.

01:22:38.000 It's bro.

01:22:39.000 I'm right, Andrew.

01:22:40.000 Am I right?

01:22:42.000 When UW almost gave up the game against Texas.

01:22:45.000 Can we talk about this?

01:22:46.000 Can we talk about the by the way?

01:22:49.000 I hate UW more than I probably hate Stalin.

01:22:52.000 Okay. 0.98

01:22:54.000 And I can't believe you're a duck span. 1.00

01:22:56.000 Like the odds of this happening that you and I work together for this many and you're a duck span.

01:23:02.000 Better yet.

01:23:03.000 And I'm a husky.

01:23:03.000 Andrew was into it.

01:23:05.000 So half of me was like, oh my gosh, the trolling that I would have over this would be.

01:23:10.000 And I like, but yet, even with that, I said, I actually feel really bad.

01:23:15.000 We have to tell the audience what happened.

01:23:16.000 Okay.

01:23:16.000 So what happened is, and I was like, okay, I'm actually going to cheer for UW because I don't want to see Andrew institutionalized because it was getting to that level, right?

01:23:25.000 It was so bad.

01:23:26.000 Eight seconds of pure terror.

01:23:28.000 Everything that could have gone wrong against the Huskies for 80 seconds happened.

01:23:33.000 It was like the guy getting injured.

01:23:34.000 So time not going.

01:23:35.000 The announcers say, ladies and gentlemen, Washington is going to the national championship.

01:23:39.000 It's over.

01:23:40.000 Out of nowhere, the clock is running down.

01:23:42.000 Texas has no timeouts.

01:23:43.000 A guy just collapses on the field for UW, which, because of a glitch in the rules that Blake disagrees with, it effectively stops the clock and gives the winning team a timeout.

01:23:53.000 They don't want a timeout.

01:23:55.000 So it's fourth down, and the clock would have been down to 11 seconds.

01:23:58.000 Instead, it's at 50 seconds and it stopped.

01:24:01.000 So they punt the ball to Texas.

01:24:03.000 They interfere with the receiver.

01:24:06.000 15-yard penalty.

01:24:07.000 Texas fuddles around a little bit.

01:24:09.000 Then they throw a 40-yard bomb and then they throw another out.

01:24:12.000 They have the ball with 15 seconds left on the 12-yard line.

01:24:17.000 Four down.

01:24:18.000 And by the way, I'm blowing chat up.

01:24:20.000 And this is why.

01:24:22.000 Third down, one second back on the clock because apparently the ball went out of bounds.

01:24:27.000 It was unbelievable.

01:24:28.000 At this point, I said, if Texas wins this game, I don't know if there will be a Charlie Kirk.

01:24:34.000 Or was he vaccinated?

01:24:36.000 Was he vaccinated?

01:24:36.000 I was about to quit everybody.

01:24:38.000 Was this supposed to show Charlie Camp?

01:24:40.000 The chat wants to know. 0.98

01:24:41.000 No matter how gay college football gets, it's gotten pretty fake and gay. 1.00

01:24:47.000 They just gave some quarterback like a seventh year of eligibility. 0.94

01:24:49.000 Like it's getting really creepy.

01:24:51.000 Wait, who's like student alleged headed to his fourth college in seven years?

01:24:56.000 Getting way out of line, you elite U.S. versus I happen to think that the NIL is actually totally elevated the sport because instead of just like Georgia dominating everything and Alabama dominating everything and Ohio State, now you got this transfer portal.

01:25:11.000 And like now you're going to have essentially you're going to have a 12-team playoff and you're going to actually have about eight legitimate contenders.

01:25:17.000 Like this year, Oregon in a playoff would have been pretty like, I think it would have been really fun to watch.

01:25:22.000 Do you want a thought crime?

01:25:23.000 Oregon played Washington better than Texas did twice.

01:25:26.000 I mean, just like, yes.

01:25:27.000 I mean, and that's like 100%.

01:25:30.000 So anyway, could I give up college football?

01:25:32.000 That is like, it would be, it's really, really tough.

01:25:35.000 Like, no TV, no problem.

01:25:37.000 If you said Charlie, no TD, no NFL, no March Madness, fine.

01:25:42.000 That's one of my few indulgences.

01:25:43.000 Now, is that what the list is supposed to be?

01:25:45.000 Something that really challenges you?

01:25:46.000 I think it's supposed to be pretty challenging, I think.

01:25:49.000 How about gambling?

01:25:50.000 I don't need to gamble.

01:25:51.000 I don't gamble.

01:25:52.000 No fast food ever.

01:25:53.000 That's probably the first gamble for you.

01:25:55.000 In and out, but like I could give that up.

01:25:56.000 I mean, that's no fast food.

01:25:58.000 I don't do fast food.

01:25:59.000 No video games ever.

01:26:00.000 I haven't played a video game since 2009.

01:26:03.000 That's probably, that's pretty good.

01:26:04.000 I'm considering playing the new RoboCop game.

01:26:07.000 I am.

01:26:08.000 I heard it's really good.

01:26:09.000 I'll make him out of retirement.

01:26:10.000 Wait, do you need an Xbox to play video games?

01:26:10.000 What about that?

01:26:13.000 You can play them on your PC.

01:26:14.000 You can play it on Steam.

01:26:16.000 Do people still play video games?

01:26:18.000 Guys, should we tell?

01:26:20.000 Should we tell?

01:26:21.000 Should we tell?

01:26:22.000 I have not had anybody talk about video games in my circle for well over 10 years.

01:26:26.000 Charlie, video games are now like bigger than movie franchises.

01:26:30.000 That's funny.

01:26:31.000 See, I see the advertisements, and I think to myself, there's no way people actually staggering.

01:26:36.000 And then there's like, there's political chapters linked to the video.

01:26:39.000 Let's ask the chat right now.

01:26:40.000 Like, if you're why I get so much done, like, if you're why I'm so productive, a serious source of like right-wing politics is probably like autistic dorks who play paradox games and they like LARP as founding the Spanish Empire or something. 0.82

01:26:54.000 Charlie ended up becoming tracking.

01:26:57.000 I know about Gamergate.

01:26:58.000 That was Mila.

01:26:59.000 It's actually about ethics and journalism.

01:27:01.000 But wasn't that all about they were faking reviews of video games or something?

01:27:04.000 It's so much deeper than that.

01:27:05.000 You need actually far off.

01:27:07.000 You need five PhDs to fully understand.

01:27:09.000 Not that far off, though, right?

01:27:10.000 Gamergate is probably the single most complex event in human history, displacing the French Revolution.

01:27:15.000 Yeah, I completely agree with Blake on that.

01:27:17.000 I've had multiple people try to go through the whole list of it with me, and I still can't get there.

01:27:22.000 But I will say, though, what we got out of Gamergate was the fact that gamers were the first people to take on journalists and not actually approach them as the way that conservatives and establishment types always did by saying, oh, these are good faith people and we should just talk about their accusations and try to shape the context.

01:27:41.000 No, because gamers don't look at journalists as people.

01:27:44.000 They look at them as enemies in the game.

01:27:47.000 And they start sitting there thinking, how do we defeat the enemies in the game?

01:27:50.000 What can we do?

01:27:51.000 How do we assess their weak points?

01:27:53.000 How do we assess their critical vulnerabilities?

01:27:55.000 How do we use them against themselves?

01:27:57.000 And they basically created the entire playbook that we now use every single day to the point where you're seeing like Bill Ackerman's wife is using it on Business Insider.

01:28:09.000 Elon Musk uses it all the time.

01:28:11.000 All of those things that you see right now, the name and shame, get out before the hit piece comes out, et cetera, et cetera.

01:28:17.000 This all goes back to Gamergate.

01:28:19.000 They were the first.

01:28:21.000 Well, I'm learning a lot.

01:28:23.000 I mean, I just like, I got so much gamified.

01:28:26.000 Everything in life is gamified, actually.

01:28:28.000 You think about we're talking about social media before.

01:28:31.000 The way social media is designed is essentially a gamified dopamine rush.

01:28:36.000 So they use it in marketing.

01:28:38.000 I always thought about social media as a big game.

01:28:40.000 What's that?

01:28:41.000 I wonder whether somebody looked at social media as a game.

01:28:44.000 Jeez.

01:28:44.000 No, I'm not even saying you're a bad person.

01:28:45.000 I'm just so stunned that in this amazing world we live in where you could be so productive.

01:28:50.000 Think about all the college football games they could watch.

01:28:53.000 See, exactly.

01:28:55.000 I used to play video games and it's just, I don't know.

01:28:58.000 For me, it's not how I'm wired.

01:29:00.000 Okay, so then what is the pledge then?

01:29:03.000 The original pledge or our pledge?

01:29:05.000 We have like eight different options for that.

01:29:07.000 I don't think where do we come down?

01:29:10.000 Where do we come down?

01:29:11.000 Well, the Thought Crime Pledge, the Thought Crime Pledge.

01:29:13.000 Where do we come down on fast food?

01:29:17.000 I think fast food should be eliminated.

01:29:18.000 You shouldn't have any fast food.

01:29:19.000 Before it or begin it?

01:29:21.000 Gin it?

01:29:21.000 Against.

01:29:23.000 Yeah.

01:29:24.000 So I think no fast food, no alcohol/slash no corn syrup.

01:29:28.000 No.

01:29:30.000 I feel like if we're going to make a pledge, it should be, you know, it should be succinct.

01:29:33.000 We don't want this like sprawling 12-point pledge.

01:29:36.000 I would say we should have one food reled item.

01:29:38.000 No alcohol is the strongest of those.

01:29:40.000 Okay, fine.

01:29:41.000 That's easy.

01:29:42.000 Although it does, I love that.

01:29:43.000 It does get away.

01:29:44.000 You what, Andrew?

01:29:45.000 I love the no fructose corn syrup because I've seen so many people, no names, people associated with this show, just down like seven ups and diet Pepsi.

01:29:59.000 I know there's no corn syrup and diet Pepsi.

01:30:01.000 It should be no diet anything, but like nothing.

01:30:05.000 Yes.

01:30:06.000 I'm telling you, real butter is better for you than like all this fake crap. 0.99

01:30:11.000 Whole milk is better for you than 2% milk. 0.98

01:30:14.000 Anyway, that's all true.

01:30:15.000 I will say, wasn't there if diet soda was bad for you?

01:30:19.000 Someone would have pulled off the big tobacco lawsuit against it at this point.

01:30:22.000 I have Pepsi.

01:30:23.000 My different.

01:30:24.000 Okay.

01:30:25.000 My mother had cancer, right?

01:30:26.000 And she was doing, she was, was like one diet Pepsi a day.

01:30:31.000 It was what she had to get down to.

01:30:33.000 And then a year later, her nutritionist told her to knock it all the way off.

01:30:36.000 It's bad.

01:30:36.000 As pertains really bad for you.

01:30:38.000 It just is.

01:30:40.000 And it's addictive.

01:30:40.000 It's addictive.

01:30:41.000 Diet Pepsi.

01:30:42.000 In fact, it's so addictive.

01:30:43.000 So, anyways, I think all soda should be out the window, but you kind of get it with the high fructose cord.

01:30:49.000 All right, guys.

01:30:50.000 Well, we are way over time.

01:30:52.000 So check out Noble Gold Investments, Prepare with Thought Crime.

01:30:55.000 This was a great episode.

01:30:56.000 So we have our pledge.

01:30:58.000 I'm holding to it because I already lived through it.

01:31:00.000 And if you had college football, I will break it on Monday, as will Andrew.

01:31:03.000 But I will not defend it.

01:31:05.000 After a day of college football, I'm done.

01:31:08.000 Like, I need to kind of go in the woods to reset.

01:31:10.000 It's just.

01:31:11.000 Just don't say no golf.

01:31:12.000 You would put no golf on that.

01:31:14.000 That would be like the boomer pledge.

01:31:16.000 Waste of time.

01:31:17.000 A four-point boomer pledge would be like no golf.

01:31:21.000 You know what?

01:31:21.000 One of the great lies I was told, you need golf to succeed.

01:31:26.000 You got to learn golf. 1.00

01:31:27.000 What a crock of crap. 1.00

01:31:29.000 Got to learn golf. 1.00

01:31:31.000 That is the first.

01:31:32.000 No one plays golf anymore.

01:31:34.000 It is a waste of time.

01:31:37.000 So much business gets done on the golf course.

01:31:40.000 No business gets done on the golf course.

01:31:41.000 It's a total waste of time.

01:31:42.000 It's an avoidance of business.

01:31:45.000 If you go for a business golf outing, most of the time the guys are just like drowning in alcohol.

01:31:51.000 And, you know, it's bonding.

01:31:52.000 It's male bonding.

01:31:53.000 So you feel like comfortable with the guy the next time you actually talk to him.

01:31:56.000 If you are trying to target someone who is a golfer specifically, then yeah, sure, fine.

01:32:03.000 Otherwise, guys, do any of us golf?

01:32:06.000 Any of us on this?

01:32:07.000 My brother is a state golf champion.

01:32:09.000 Look, Andrew Goss.

01:32:10.000 That's different.

01:32:10.000 That's separate.

01:32:11.000 Oh, really?

01:32:11.000 That's athletic.

01:32:12.000 That's separate.

01:32:13.000 I'm talking about casual, broy golf where you could be with your family and you're there for four hours and you're schlepping around and you're like, oh, I'm within 100 yards.

01:32:22.000 Count it.

01:32:23.000 Mulligan.

01:32:24.000 No.

01:32:25.000 What about dreams?

01:32:27.000 I think there's a famous person we like, though, who is pretty pro-golf.

01:32:31.000 Trump is very pro-golf.

01:32:32.000 No, he's invited me golfing.

01:32:34.000 I'm like, yeah, I talked about this.

01:32:36.000 Haven't you talked about this?

01:32:37.000 But he's also from that generation.

01:32:39.000 Tucker does not golf, does he?

01:32:40.000 No, Tucker doesn't golf.

01:32:41.000 Tucker Hunts.

01:32:42.000 Tucker Fletcher.

01:32:42.000 No, he's talked about this.

01:32:45.000 Tucker also is into Woodward.

01:32:46.000 Flyfish is a conversation about Woodward.

01:32:49.000 Amazing essay about fly fish.

01:32:51.000 And he has a whole philosophical thing.

01:32:52.000 Kind of like I do with Cold War.

01:32:54.000 I love that video of Tucker Fly Fish.

01:32:55.000 What have we made the four part before we go?

01:32:57.000 Charlie, it's like you and corn.

01:32:58.000 Before we go, the four-part, like, boomer.

01:33:01.000 No golf, no bragging about how you have great investment prowess because you bought a house that just appreciated 500%.

01:33:06.000 No cable.

01:33:07.000 No complaining.

01:33:08.000 No cabinets.

01:33:08.000 No cable to your wife.

01:33:09.000 No disinheriting your kids to leave the money to some weird dumb thing or blowing it all in a reverse mortgage.

01:33:14.000 Reverse mortgages and spending it all in cruises.

01:33:16.000 No reverse mortgages would be its own thing.

01:33:18.000 And no donating through cruises.

01:33:20.000 No donating to your alma mater.

01:33:21.000 That'd be a good one.

01:33:23.000 No, like giving affirmative action to hire someone who doesn't look like your kids because it like helps you feel like you atone for your like racial crimes. 0.73

01:33:32.000 Jack, we keep talking over you.

01:33:34.000 Finish this off tonight.

01:33:36.000 No, look, I think this is one of our longest episodes ever.

01:33:40.000 I think this is one of our best.

01:33:41.000 Certainly in terms of viewers, this is great.

01:33:43.000 I love that we're doing these live.

01:33:46.000 I'll say one thing right now.

01:33:47.000 2024 is going to be a busy year.

01:33:49.000 We got a lot of work to do this year.

01:33:50.000 We're going to get very busy.

01:33:51.000 I don't know how many live episodes of these we are going to be able to do.

01:33:54.000 We pledged you that we will be able to do as many as we can.

01:33:58.000 We were also on the hook for one episode of this a week.

01:34:01.000 I really love that people have just appreciate the thought crime format and what it is.

01:34:06.000 It's a couple of guys just kind of talking about the news, but you know who we are, know what our background is, except for Andrew.

01:34:13.000 We're all kind of asking questions about Andrew.

01:34:16.000 But we're going to be here and we're going to be using this show as Not just a place to talk about the issues, but also to get into the ins and outs of everything that goes on through this year.

01:34:26.000 We're going to give you the behind-the-scenes look on everything that happens with the election this year, right here on Thought Crime.

01:34:32.000 I love it.

01:34:33.000 Hit that follow button.

01:34:35.000 We'll see you guys tomorrow.

01:34:36.000 God bless.

01:34:36.000 And until then, keep on committing thought crimes.

01:34:42.000 Thanks so much for listening.

01:34:43.000 Everybody, email us as always: freedom at charliekirk.com.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - January 06, 2024

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 27 — Does Epstein Matter? The End of DEI? The Greer Pledge?

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