00:00:01.000I'm Blake Neff, and in this slightly spicier than normal conversation, Charlie, Jack Pasobic, and Andrew Colvett, as well as me, will talk about the Jeffrey Epstein document release.
00:00:11.000We'll also talk about Claudine Gay getting fired by Harvard as Harvard tries to straighten out its DEI regime.
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00:00:22.000Should you watch Marvel movies, listen to rap music, get a tattoo, or should all of those things be total no-goes?
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00:02:14.000I feel like I've seen you because I've been watching so many episodes of the Charlie Kirk show, but really, Blake is the one I have to give the shout out to because Blake, I don't know if you saw our Chronicles of the Revolution series just went pretty viral, took the internet by storm.
00:02:31.000And it was the Franco episode that really, really got people mad.
00:03:09.000If you're on high speed, yeah, you get done with it in under two hours.
00:03:11.000You learn how Napoleon's going to be able to do it.
00:03:14.000So what you need to do is you have to take the Russian Revolution episode we did and then listen to Animal Farm.
00:03:21.000And now you've got the whole thing combined.
00:03:23.000Yeah, I will say, having, you know, I last read it when I was in fourth grade or something.
00:03:28.000And so now I pick up on all of the, you know, the deeper, the deeper allegories, you know, the, oh, here's World War II accepted on an English record.
00:04:02.000The wrinkle is who was Jeffrey Epstein really?
00:04:05.000Was he a creation of the CIA Mossad, which I believe he obviously was, because there's really no track record of his financial brilliance or what the investments he made to justify this ridiculously opulent lifestyle that he enjoyed of mansions in Paris and mansions in New York and mansions in Palm Beach and an island in the Caribbean and a huge ranch in New Mexico and a couple of Gulf streams.
00:04:56.000So the documents, and this is something that a lot of people get wrapped around the axle on when it comes to sort of the Epstein case, the Epstein network, is they say, what's the deal with these documents?
00:05:14.000So different elements of Epstein's operations have been made public over the years through various lawsuits, cases, and then, of course, actually the, I guess we could say, the aborted prosecution of Jeffrey Epstein, which ended with him dead in his jail cell.
00:05:35.000He's obviously not going to continue the prosecution after that, but it all goes back to 2017 and our friend Mike Cernovich filing a lawsuit, a freedom of the press lawsuit against, or in the Epstein case, basically getting against a seal that had been done when one of the accusers had come out against Epstein.
00:05:54.000And at the time, nobody wanted to talk about this thing.
00:05:58.000And people were running around saying, oh, you guys are a bunch of conspiracy theorists for saying there's elite pedophile rings involving DC politicians, including the Clintons.
00:06:12.000And it all kind of centers around Epstein.
00:06:16.000And so Cernovich goes in and files this suit and retains Mark Rondaza, who's the first amendment lawyer to get in on this.
00:06:24.000And then nothing happens for about two years.
00:06:26.000But then Alex Acosta goes up to be Trump's labor secretary, who had been part of the Department of Justice team, which I believe off the top of my head, Southern District of New, not New York, Southern District of Florida, who was involved in getting Epstein this sweetheart deal.
00:07:58.000So every time Trump is named and you're looking at prosecutors, investigators in these depositions, the girls, and this is different, this is different instances.
00:08:08.000They all say that Trump was not involved in anything other than these just sort of what everybody knows, that they had, he knew him from sort of the Palm Beach social scene.
00:08:22.000And of course, as Analina Haba was on PVD earlier today, and as people want to know, that the minute that Trump found out about what Epstein was up to, he not only cut off contact, he actually banned him from Mar-a-Lago.
00:08:36.000So that's pretty much the long and short of it, as I would say from a political standpoint in terms of the actual 2024 race as involves Trump.
00:08:44.000Now, the fact that Bill Clinton is mentioned so many times, I think really just goes to plumb the depths of what actually Bill Clinton was up to.
00:09:26.000So someone who, yes, she was there, but it's not like someone in the Intel community, we would say she had placement, but she didn't have high access.
00:09:35.000So Blake, do you think it's fair to say that Epstein was probably an Intel asset?
00:09:41.000I think he had contact with intelligence.
00:09:44.000I think there's enough smoke there to suspect something.
00:09:48.000What I think is interesting is I think that sort of, if you want to say the canonical conspiracy theory for Epstein is sort of the idea that Epstein was either with the CIA or Massad.
00:10:04.000And kind of the idea was to control the world or whatever, that he would get rich and powerful and influential people to go to his island.
00:10:12.000And then you would get blackmail material on them, such as having sex with underage girls, and it's on video or whatever, and then use this to sway world events.
00:10:19.000And that's sort of the canonical Epstein theory.
00:10:22.000And then he was going to reveal it all.
00:10:24.000So something happened to him, so-and-so.
00:10:27.000What I think is maybe a more plausible possibility and sort of entertaining one is if you imagine Epstein is sort of the ultimate con artist, and this gets brought up with his relationship with Ghelain Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell.
00:10:43.000Robert Maxwell is this sort of sensational British press personality.
00:10:50.000After he dies, it's revealed that he'd stolen a huge amount of money, like I think hundreds of millions of pounds from pension funds of the companies that he ran.
00:10:59.000And he dies in mysterious circumstances, maybe murder, maybe a heart attack.
00:11:03.000I mean, he was an old and unhealthy guy.
00:11:05.000Now, what's funny with Epstein is, you know, we talk about how where his money comes from is mysterious.
00:11:11.000And this is often brought up as, oh, well, he must have got the money from, you know, the intelligence agencies.
00:11:16.000But another funny thing is a lot of rich people essentially just claim that Epstein robbed them.
00:11:21.000So for example, there's a Rolling Stone article about Epstein in 2021.
00:11:27.000I have it on my computer here if you guys want to bring it up.
00:11:29.000And it gets into one of his oldest relationships is with this guy, Stephen Hoffenberg, who goes to prison for running a Ponzi scheme.
00:11:39.000So he's kind of a financial criminal who works with Epstein.
00:11:43.000And what Epstein essentially does is he moves about $100 million of this guy's money offshore.
00:11:49.000And then he goes to the feds, gives information on Hoffenberg to them.
00:11:53.000And sort of the implication is he probably was able to steal $100 million of this guy's money, and this guy couldn't really deal with it because he was himself going to prison for all these crimes.
00:12:02.000And the article that Rolling Stone wrote suggests that if the guy had not lost his nerve and had insisted we're going to trial on all of this, it might have been worse for Epstein than for anyone else.
00:12:11.000All of this is a way of saying is that's not the only guy, by the way.
00:12:14.000Victoria's secret billionaire claims that Epstein's, yeah, Les Wexner's claim, he stole a bunch of money from him.
00:12:21.000So what if this guy is just kind of robbing a lot of people and then also, you know, likes his thing with, you know, teenage girls and is sort of cultivating this whole aura.
00:12:31.000And as part of this, yeah, he talks to intelligence agencies all the time.
00:12:34.000And it was useful to him for people to think he's this intelligence asset for everyone because it makes them scared of him more or less.
00:12:42.000And there are other people like this who exist.
00:12:44.000You know, a lot of people on the right are familiar with Chuck Johnson, who kind of just goes on on Twitter about everyone being an asset for different Intel agencies and how he's working for all these different Intel agencies.
00:12:55.000And he's like a downgraded version of this, but a similar overall phenomenon.
00:13:04.000Look, I do think that there's an element of puffery here.
00:13:09.000But at the same time, Charlie, you know, you've been talking about the universities more than anybody out there.
00:13:16.000You're very familiar with these operations.
00:13:19.000We're going to be talking about Harvard a lot, I think, in the next topic here because the Harvard president just resigned.
00:13:24.000Yet there's this huge tie between Epstein, Bill Gates, Harvard, massive organizations.
00:13:33.000And all of this, by the way, coming out after, okay, after Epstein's first, after his first arrest, after it's already come out that he's been doing these things, he continues to have these connections, even continues meeting with Ehud Barak, who is the former, at this point, the former prime minister of Israel, a guy who shows up to Epstein's New York City.
00:14:18.000And he's really just protecting who he is.
00:14:21.000We find that he's on the plane dozens of times, potentially more, and he's named in all this stuff.
00:14:26.000And the fact that he continues holding these types of high-level meetings, even though he's been completely publicly disgraced, continues giving money to Harvard, continues being involved in all of these high-level circles where I can only imagine, Charlie, and, you know, and we can talk about, you know, I know we get behind the curtain here a little bit, but, you know, around here on this part of the political aisle, if you catch even a, if anyone catches like a whiff of that, you're out.
00:14:54.000And it's not even talked about anymore.
00:14:56.000So the fact that he's still holding these meetings shows that there is some level of cachet that he has for some reason that nobody's ever quite been able to put their finger on.
00:15:07.000The same way that nobody's ever been able to quite put their finger on these missing tapes and videos and DVDs that were supposedly also in that New York townhouse that went missing when the FBI searched it.
00:15:21.000So look, there's been a lot of, there's a lot of angles being examined here.
00:15:25.000Here's one that I want to examine that I think is interesting.
00:15:29.000Because Blake, I'm going to try to denormie you.
00:16:58.000So you're saying that right now, currently ongoing in our Congress, there are members of Congress who have been compromised by either special interests or the intelligence community to not give the American public information on Jeffrey Epstein.
00:17:18.000I know this, it's a little different, but I've been involved in the UFO-UAP issue.
00:17:23.000And it's, you know, like I said, I know I'm not going to bring out little green man in a flying saucer, but it's about transparency.
00:17:28.000I had an amendment on the FAA reauthorization bill that said if an American pilot sees a UAP, an anomaly or something, and they make a report to the FAA, that report has to be made available to Congress.
00:17:43.000I was told by the whip, I said, what happened to my amendment?
00:17:46.000And he said, it was killed by the intelligence community.
00:17:49.000And I said, you mean the intelligence committee?
00:17:52.000And he said, no, the intelligence community.
00:17:56.000And these are unelected bureaucrats that have that much control.
00:18:01.000And so, yeah, we got to start electing people with guts in both parties.
00:18:05.000This pandering stuff that's going on now, it's just a distraction.
00:18:09.000Now, there's a better tape, but Blake, is that persuasive that the intelligence community would actually interfere with legislation and/or blackmail?
00:18:30.000So, but first of all, again, you can always think of the sort of normie versions of this.
00:18:36.000Okay, they don't, the intelligence community doesn't want you to make a report of every UFO sighting because it will turn out that some of them are, you know, the boring old.
00:18:44.000This is the black, you know, the blackbird doing its like secret flights, and we can't publicize that.
00:18:50.000And so they would kill it for that reason.
00:18:56.000When Blake worked with Tucker, he used to just like throw stuff past Tucker's window every once in a while to try to make him think that there were frisbees going on.
00:19:38.000Congressman, you represent the state of Tennessee.
00:19:40.000Marsha Blackburn has been completely blackballed in the Senate for asking for these flight logs to be released and for this client list to be released.
00:19:49.000It seems like now you are fighting with her in the house.
00:19:55.000And more importantly, you mentioned recently in an interview that there may be some members of Congress who are personally compromised by this and they don't want the truth to get out.
00:20:53.000You're visiting, you're out of the country or out of town or you're in a motel or bar in D.C.
00:20:59.000And some, whatever you're into, women or men or whatever, comes up and they're very attractive and they're laughing at your jokes and you're buying them a drink.
00:21:09.000Next thing you know, you're in the motel room with them naked.
00:21:13.000And next thing you know, you know, you're about to make a key vote.
00:22:39.000So this is one of the reasons that I brought up the type of house that Epstein had because the term brownstoning and brownstoning operations, it actually goes back to these types of houses that were used predominantly throughout New York City.
00:23:00.000And it's because the NYPD and the FBI used to use them to set up sting operations in them.
00:23:05.000And the brownstone front is sort of like a fake business.
00:23:08.000But over the years, it came to be known as setting up the type of operation of entrapment and blackmail scheme in which individuals, often minors, are used to lure influential people into these compromising situations.
00:23:22.000The goal is to capture incriminating evidence.
00:23:25.000So you might get photographs, you might get videos.
00:23:27.000And then, of course, that can be used to target the, you know, use against the targets as leverage to do their bidding.
00:23:38.000This type of operation has been talked about for years.
00:23:42.000There's been, there are lots of stories written about that Ben Franklin was involved in this type of stuff when he was over in France, for example.
00:23:49.000They had things called the Hellfire Club, which were known as sort of gentlemen's sex clubs.
00:23:55.000And in fact, oh, by the way, you don't have to listen, take my word for it.
00:23:58.000Jake Tapper wrote a whole book about it called The Hellfire Club, which is set in the 1950s in Washington, D.C.
00:24:06.000Now, of course, Jake Tapper says that it's all fictional.
00:24:10.000None of this would ever actually happen.
00:24:12.000This definitely isn't based on anything that Jake Tapper may have heard about and decided to want to reveal through a fictional novel.
00:24:45.000And I'll tell you as the resident former member of the intelligence community, I can confirm that the intelligence agencies would never, ever use sex trafficking or sex to compromise individuals to steal secrets.
00:25:19.000It was the same day that there was a vote in the House to approve $300 million of additional spending for the FBI HQ, which is supposed to be bigger than the Pentagon, right?
00:25:33.000And this comes amid all the information, all the grassroots uproar about spying on the Catholic Church, about infiltration on J6, the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot.
00:25:44.000It comes amid surveilling white domestic terrorists, domestic extremists, all of this reallocation of FBI resources off legitimate crime and to basically surveil MAGA, right?
00:26:35.000And I can think of one who it doesn't seem to change how he actually behaves in terms of let me let me just make sure I understand do you think there's no wait wait blake blake you're wait wait you're also saying that it changes how he behaves that doesn't necessarily mean that's what they're after right you can be this could be used as a source they could be used as someone who's procuring things for them you Be this could be used for a variety of tasks.
00:26:57.000In fact, it could be used for nothing and simply wait as an insurance policy for when you need something.
00:27:03.000What I would say is there's a million examples of our intelligence community being like an idiot clown show.
00:27:11.000I mean, these guys make ads about like wise Latinas that they've hired who like state their pronouns.
00:27:18.000And then as soon as we get into the realm of uncertainty, we kind of require this assumption that they're incredibly effective operators who never screw up.
00:27:26.000And I think that's what stands out the most to me about this.
00:27:28.000We know about the FBI's blackmail attempt on Martin Luther King Jr., you know, 50 years ago.
00:28:23.000You made a point earlier that you said a lot of this is maybe puffery.
00:28:27.000A lot of this is sort of like staging.
00:28:29.000I mean, I think that the way, I mean, Charlie, Jack, we've had conversations about this where people that are, you know, that we run into at different occasions or events and we literally look at each other and we go, yeah, probably an op, probably a spy.
00:28:49.000But there are always these characters.
00:28:51.000But, but, yes, what I'm saying is, is that the way the Intel influence ops tend to work, under my understanding, is very much on a need-to-know basis.
00:29:02.000People are not incentivized to expose these things.
00:29:05.000It's much the guys in the DBI office are essentially wanting to know some examples.
00:29:09.000Denny Hassert was speaker of the house under George W. Bush.
00:29:40.000Well, we know all this stuff eventually came out.
00:29:43.000It's not unreasonable to believe that somebody might have known about his behavior, his shenanigans, and he just kind of did what was necessary.
00:30:18.000And then they go, hey, we could get you for insider trading or whatever, right?
00:30:21.000So it might be a variety of different things.
00:30:24.000And we sort of have to question ourselves.
00:30:27.000Why does the conservative party, the Republican Party, not vote conservative so often?
00:30:32.000Why are they constantly influenced to vote the other way?
00:30:35.000So it might not be that the threat is that they're going to completely take them out.
00:30:38.000It might just be like, hey, vote this way on this vote.
00:30:40.000Well, I think pretty straightforward, Answer is we elect people who don't believe these things that we claim they want to do.
00:30:47.000We agree with that, but then it also creates raw material for the intel agencies.
00:30:51.000I guess what I would say is, is there a good example of a Republican who like consistently voiced their opinion against these certain things and then just totally flipped on the vote inexplicably?
00:31:02.000That would be stronger evidence of blackmail.
00:31:04.000No, it would be, it would be, yeah, or sorry, go ahead, Andrew.
00:31:07.000Like the truth is we just have dozens of Republicans who yeah, Ken Buck, or there would also, what they do is they create, according to Burchett and other people, this massive sort of Damocles where it's like they know and you know they know.
00:31:20.000And over a period of time, you just kind of go with what is fashionable and you don't try to make too many waves.
00:31:57.000But if he was making threats, I think he could come out and say, hey, I was approached by someone who said, we're going to make your life really bad on this thing, that thing, that thing, unless you, you know.
00:32:06.000It was probably more subtle, but I think Matt was saying that.
00:32:16.000If anyone, you know, if anyone, you know, has the ideology and the lifestyle that could combine to make him be a blackmail target, it's Matt Gates.
00:32:27.000And yet it seems that whatever they tried to do to Matt Gates didn't involve directly blackmailing him, as in, we will do this unless you change your behavior.
00:32:38.000Or maybe he was so disagreeable and just kept on saying he was insistent and that he, then they went scorched earth and they said they leaked.
00:32:47.000The Department of Justice leaked that they had an active trafficking investigation into Gates.
00:32:53.000I think to try to put him in a bottle of somebody's mind.
00:32:56.000What my frustration here is, is this is a very long-running conservative and just really political belief.
00:33:03.000It's, you know, when people, you know, like when an army loses a battle, they always sit claim that they were betrayed.
00:35:24.000Jack, do you think that Bernie Sanders' political decisions were influenced by his wife being under criminal federal investigation for the handling of that defunct university in Vermont?
00:35:35.000I think Chuck Schumer once said that the intelligence agencies have six ways from Sunday to get back at you.
00:35:41.000And I think that Chuck Schumer knows a lot more about all of this stuff than any of us do.
00:35:46.000Chuck Schumer, who, by the way, very interestingly, someone that he may know or potentially someone related to him, I'm not sure appears on page 39 of the Epstein flight logs.
00:35:55.000And I've been talking about this all week on Twitter and on my programs, that there is a guy by the name of Chuck Schum.
00:36:03.000So Chuck Schumer, almost the exact same name, but Chuck Schume without the R, who appears on page 39, flew on New Year's Day, 1996 from Palm Beach Island to Teterboro, which is in New Jersey, but also services the New York City area.
00:36:21.000Very interestingly, right around where Chuck Schumer was.
00:36:26.000And Gwendolyn Beck also happened to be on the plane at that time.
00:36:30.000Gwendolyn Beck was the mistress of Bob Menendez.
00:36:33.000So just, you know, since we're talking about blackmail and brownstoning and all of these things, it's interesting that Chuck Schum and Gwendolyn Beck were on the same Epstein flight.
00:36:41.000So, so I want to let a pushback, for example, on the Sanders thing.
00:36:48.000And it's very easy to build these elaborate stories when it's vague.
00:36:52.000But okay, so the specific thing is, Christina Nolan was the U.S. attorney for Vermont 2017 to 2021.
00:36:58.000She was a Republican who was appointed by Trump.
00:37:01.000So are we alleging that the Trump administration, which inherited this investigation from the Obama days because it began with the Obamas, I believe, and they investigated this thing that they got from Democrats for several years and then decided we're going to drop it as part of a blackmail deal with Bernie Sanders, which means that the Trump administration is blackmailing far-left dominant.
00:37:35.000They were prepping for third party and potentially run spoiler against Hillary Clinton because he had something super special and they wanted him to get in line.
00:37:46.000And one of the ways you do that, and I'm sure he was worried about something around this college, it was a warning shot.
00:37:53.000And it may have not even been a warning shot, but if you find out your wife is under criminal investigation for the handling of a college, you know what that means.
00:39:02.000We played it earlier today, and I noticed something about it that I'd never noticed before.
00:39:06.000If you play it and you play the, wait, wait till he sees, wait, wait till Schumer says they have six ways to Sunday of getting back at you, right?
00:39:15.000You can almost see in the clip that Schumer realizes he said something he shouldn't have said, and then he quickly falls in line and then says something positive about the intel agencies, right?
00:39:26.000It's almost like the guys who know know not to piss him off.
00:39:30.000And that was the whole point of saying, like, Trump's really pissed him off.
00:39:34.000And actually, we really need them and they're great.
00:39:36.000And, you know, you know, and you can see Rachel Maddow gets very surprised.
00:39:40.000It's a very, very, very interesting clip.
00:39:42.000So when I, when you talk about Occam's razor, all of a sudden I look at this clip and I go, you're probably right, right?
00:39:48.000It's like 70 Republicans vote for the FBI the day after the brothel gets raided.
00:39:53.000Okay, maybe not all 70 of them are compromised.
00:40:41.000Without the intelligence community, we wouldn't have discovered it.
00:40:44.000Do you think he has an agenda to try to dismantle parts of the intelligence community?
00:40:48.000I mean, this form of whether you're a super liberal Democrat or a very conservative Republican, you should be against dismantling the intelligence community.
00:40:58.000Oh, see, he's like the little puppet there at the end because he knew he was out of line.
00:41:14.000It was almost like a bit of humanity that came out of Schumer in that moment where he's like, hey, you know, to my friend, you should knock it off because they're going to get you.
00:41:22.000And yeah, at the same time, they kind of didn't.
00:41:26.000Well, I mean, they tried very hard, but the worst thing I was accessing Hollywood tape.
00:41:32.000And then they conjured up the fake Russia thing.
00:41:35.000Well, because Trump was hamstrung in the presidency.
00:41:38.000I just feel like if they're capable of all that other underhanded stuff, they probably could have also faked evidence the Russia hoax was real.
00:44:51.000Like a big highlight of this is sort of that the plagiarism standard at Harvard is extremely strict.
00:44:57.000And so it's a lot of things like slightly rewording a thing and then also citing it, but like you didn't cite it enough or like you didn't put quotation marks around something.
00:45:08.000The real scandal, of course, and JD Vance pointed this out either today or yesterday.
00:45:13.000The real scandal is just that Claudine Gay was ever treated as a scholar in the first place.
00:45:20.000She writes 11 papers over the span of about 25 years, all just sort of, you know, race hustle crap.
00:45:28.000And she just relentlessly rises up through the ranks at Harvard, despite this total lack of scholarly excellence, as it were, in a fake field.
00:45:38.000And she eventually is allowed to become president of Harvard University, which you don't have to be the best scholar in the world to be president of Harvard University, but this is generally an office that has been held by very distinguished academics.
00:45:51.000As we mentioned yesterday, Larry Summers.
00:45:53.000You don't have to agree with Larry Summers and everything.
00:45:55.000He is an important American economist.
00:46:00.000Kagan wasn't head of Harvard, but was head of Harvard Law School, like was in a pretty distinguished position as head of Harvard Law School and eventually ends up on the Supreme Court.
00:46:08.000And then you just have Claudine Gay, and she's just this academic bureaucrat non-entity who just like rises up as like a fungus.
00:46:19.000Well, I mean, and it really, I think it's starting to hit.
00:46:24.000Blakey meth compares Claudine Gay to fungus.
00:46:28.000It's just hitting Blake is working hard to win the audience back, folks.
00:48:44.000And I go back and forth on that because it is obviously also good for Harvard hired absolute joke of a president and she got fired in about a year because she was a joke.
00:49:10.000I'm actually, I think this is amazing because it shows that we can effectuate change.
00:49:15.000These people can be moved towards something.
00:49:18.000Now, whether it's actual progress or not, we'll see, but they're weaker than they have presented themselves.
00:49:24.000It's kind of like, it's like Kamala Harris.
00:49:26.000Like, would we rather have Kamala Harris as vice president being this sick joke and they can't get rid of Biden because Kamalo is disastrously unpopular?
00:49:35.000Or would we rather have, I don't know, for that matter, would we rather have Gavin Newsom, like a, you know, somehow a straight white guy who managed to claw his way up the Democratic Party, probably really smart and effective for that because he had to overcome all these affirmative action barriers against him.
00:49:50.000That guy would probably be a lot more dangerous as vice president.
00:49:53.000So we kind of like that Kamala Harris is there.
00:49:55.000So similarly, if we view Harvard as this hostile institution whose influence we want to go down, we want this fungus president who's just gumming it up, you know, derailing it, turning it into a joke.
00:50:08.000Not if everybody still is like, not if everybody's still applying the same amount of prestige.
00:50:13.000I think one of the best kind of messaging points here is that like, hey, if you go to Harvard, like, you know, we have less esteem for you now than we did before.
00:50:23.000And that's something that Bill Ackman has been hitting on.
00:50:25.000He's a the damage to the reputation of the university is something that grieves him, you know, as a, as a former, as a Harvard alum.
00:50:33.000But I also think that the, the, the real issue here that we're kind of like talking around is the fact that all of this came to a head after October 7th.
00:50:43.000October 7th is what essentially broke the back of DEI.
00:50:49.000And I have a couple of thoughts on this.
00:50:51.000The voices like Bill Ackman and what's the guy at Penn?
00:51:10.000And I thought it was brilliant because what it was essentially, I don't know if we can find that, Blake, maybe you know how to find it really quick, but the tweet was that they are forcing the white majority that is becoming less and less of a majority until we're going to become a plurality soon enough, especially with this border, to sort of adopt certain identitarian, I don't know, like an identity as a group within the country.
00:51:38.000But we have not wanted to do that, but they are forcing the white community, the white population in America to do that, which is a really interesting thing because what we watched with after October 7th was we saw the Jewish community sort of organize and coalesce and start shouting from the rooftops that what was going on on campus was wrong.
00:51:58.000But it also exposed the fact that white Americans have basically, and Christians have been the only groups not allowed to sort of say, hey, we're getting prejudiced against.
00:52:11.000How come we don't have a voice in this?
00:52:13.000Especially as we become more and more, I would say, targeted, more and more victimized by this run-amuck DEI regime.
00:52:25.000And then we have this crazy stat that came out.
00:52:28.000And Charlie, you did a great job highlighting it: is that 6% in the year after BLM, only 6% of, was it SP 100 jobs were given to white applicants.
00:52:39.00094% of jobs were given to black applicants.
00:52:43.000And so now you've kind of got this, I think, interesting opportunity for October 7th, tragedy as it was, to sort of open the door to a larger conversation.
00:52:54.000And people like Bill Ackman are actually getting on board with it.
00:52:58.000And we're having this conversation with diversity and hiring.
00:53:02.000And you have some people on one side of it, like Mark Cuban, who's making a total ass of himself, pardon the French for the podcast.
00:53:09.000But you've got Mark Cuban on one side.
00:53:10.000You've got Bill Ackman, Elon Musk on the other.
00:53:13.000And it feels like for the first time after October 7th, again, tragedy, that we are winning the debate.
00:53:21.000And now we have X to thank for the fact that our voice gets to be elevated and not suppressed.
00:53:27.000We're winning the debate about this run-amuck DEI.
00:53:31.000And I do think, ironically enough, October 7th will be the end of DEI as we know it.
00:53:37.000Now it's going to mutate and take other forms.
00:53:40.000But as we know it, I think we are seeing the beginning of the end.
00:54:38.000There was just another one, you know, the other day where they'll be like, you know, they'll compare like black life expectancy is lower than white life expectancy.
00:54:45.000It's become because of white systemic racism.
00:55:21.000The thing about Claudine Gay, the thing about Claudine Gay is that Claudine Gay's entire career is essentially built on, you know, get whitey.
00:55:31.000Like her academic discipline is born out of left-wing critical race theory politics.
00:55:36.000Her papers, such as they are, are basically plagiarizing other people's work on critical race theory politics.
00:55:42.000And to say that you're just going to disassemble that overnight is very unlikely unless you have, you need like really revolutionary leadership.
00:55:51.000You'd need people to come and say, we're going to like burst this, you know, amputate this entire tumor all at once.
00:55:58.000And I mean, while the gay resignation, I guess, is good, still getting a $900,000 salary and still teaching at Harvard, it's not going to reform the institution.
00:56:14.000I was going to say, so, so it's basically like you're saying that, and I agree with Blake wholeheartedly on this, that, you know, I don't think it's something you can just do overnight, but there's a couple of different things.
00:56:26.000And Andrew, I think, brought it up as well.
00:56:28.000So you are dealing with whites now starting to view themselves more as a specific group, mostly because they've been forced to by people in positions of power like Claudine Gay, constantly categorizing them as such in a way that whites, I don't think, internally have ever done.
00:56:46.000It's only been externally through these new factors, but also since October 7th, and I know Charlie, you took some heat from this because you mentioned, you dared mention Jewish donors when you were talking about the alumni who were very upset about what was going on, specifically in regards to anti-Semitism.
00:57:04.000And your point was that you now have sort of these two batches of, or maybe three batches of groups, conservatives, of course, most directly being so upset and targeting these administrators and targeting this system.
00:57:20.000The real question is, is this going to be enough to actually break?
00:57:25.000And it's not just DEI because it's all affirmative action.
00:57:27.000And Blake, you and I got into this in the Chronicle series in the fourth episode when we started talking about the 1960s.
00:57:35.000And that all of this, like, if you want to know where awokeness comes from, you really do have to go all the way back to the 1960s.
00:57:40.000So you can't just sit there and say, oh, well, this specific program is bad or this specific person is bad.
00:57:47.000It's like we have to really go out and examine the structures on which all of this was built.
00:57:54.000If we want to go back to the original Republic, this idea, and you and I got into it, we go into a lot about, you know, all men created equal.
00:58:06.000That, you know, and Charlie, I know in the conservative movement, we like to talk about that all the time: equality before the law, equality before the law.
00:58:12.000But we've imported so many people in this country, millions and tens of millions of people into this country that have no idea what that distinction means.
00:58:22.000They look at the government and the relationship between the U.S. government and them as basically a social services compact because that's what it's like in their home countries.
00:58:30.000And so they're like, all right, well, what do I get?
00:59:30.000I take a different approach, although I understand the animosity and the frustration there.
00:59:35.000But if people like Bill Ackman are going to wake up and include all groups, including white people, that they should not be discriminated against.
00:59:44.000And, you know, if you read his long sort of screed on Twitter, he's actually saying like, hey, the most qualified person should be the next president of Harvard.
00:59:56.000And by the way, you should fire all of the board.
00:59:58.000So what I'm saying is it might take decades to fully root it out, but for the first time ever, we can go on, Charlie, you've made this point.
01:00:07.000It's like, you can go on Twitter and say replacement theory is real.
01:00:32.000It might take for a long time, but ultimately, you know, one thing I would love to get into, maybe not for another thought crime, is repeal the Civil Rights Act.
01:00:43.000I mean, we should, we should, we should reform that.
01:00:46.000Yeah, we should reform the Civil Rights Act.
01:00:51.000I mean, we, that's, is that a thought crime anymore to say the Civil Rights Act was an official?
01:00:55.000Yeah, I think over the last like three years, it's become, it's still probably like, give me a abbreviated rundown of what you said the other day.
01:01:02.000Well, I mean, it's just that, first of all, it's like, it's almost like everyone got conned.
01:01:07.000Like what we wanted was, is in the 1950s, we have the remnants of, I don't, I shouldn't say remnants, it's still pretty strong, Jim Crow in the South and in a few other places.
01:01:17.000And people were sold this bill of goods that, okay, we need, we'll pass this law to abolish this like overt government caste system over society.
01:01:26.000And, you know, that's all it's going to be.
01:01:27.000It's just going to be, you know, get rid of the really bad caste system stuff.
01:01:30.000And then pretty much immediately, we get, you know, modern DEI under a different name.
01:01:38.000We start getting, you know, egregious racial favoritism because people basically equality is kind of traumatic to people, if real equality, because actual equal opportunity, it lays bare some things.
01:01:52.000It lays bare that some people are more talented than others, that some people work harder than others.
01:01:57.000It lays bare that some people have better habits than others, and that this produces different outcomes for others.
01:02:04.000And it's very hard for people to accept this.
01:02:52.000At the time, there's all these people who are saying, yeah, if you make this department, it's just going to be this bogus political thing and all the classes will be easy.
01:02:59.000By the way, African-American studies departments are famously brain-dead, easy classes that you can like write and crayon on the paper and get an A.
01:03:06.000And we do this in part because we have affirmative action to get into universities.
01:03:11.000And so you have people who aren't smart enough to be in the school normally.
01:03:15.000So they need an easy department they can go to so that they can get good grades and then justify all these other things.
01:03:20.000Like we've totally screwed up meritocracy at every level because of the DEI monstrosity.
01:03:27.000And it's so much deeper than people think.
01:03:30.000It is not even merely someone getting hired or promoted for the wrong reason.
01:03:33.000It's like it's rotted away at our entire idea of a merit-based system.
01:03:40.000The align you had that I thought was so great when we were talking about Martin Luther King is you said that conservatives tend to mythologize MLK's I have a dream speech because they love the words that he says in the speech.
01:03:53.000But then you look at what happened with the movement next and the very next thing the movement pushed for was affirmative action.
01:04:00.000So it was just like the Obama era where you have these wonderful poetic flowery speeches that don't actually match up with anything that's going on on the ground because here he is painting this wonderful picture of a colorblind society, but that's not actually what the movement was reaching for.
01:04:25.000Or, you know, it could even be, you know, they'll say like Frederick Douglass would say, you know, give us an equal chance and, you know, we'll succeed or fail.
01:04:32.000And then if you give them the equal chance and they kind of start failing in response to it, you kind of have two options.
01:04:38.000You can say, we have severe problems, either culturally or otherwise.
01:04:43.000And those problems might not even be easily fixable.
01:04:53.000And it is extremely, you know, there is a strong incentive mentally to believe the second option.
01:04:59.000It's understandable someone would want to believe the second option.
01:05:03.000And, you know, you can get away with, get away from race for it.
01:05:05.000You know, imagine in a religious basis, like let's say, you know, this branch of Christianity does substantially worse than all these different measures from another one.
01:05:16.000It's, you know, if you're in that community, it's really not pleasant to contemplate.
01:05:20.000Maybe even if I believe this religion, maybe it has some aspect of it that causes us to be held back culturally or otherwise.
01:05:28.000And it's just, it's not pleasant to believe these things.
01:05:31.000People don't like to believe unpleasant things.
01:05:33.000People will embrace delusions and fantasies.
01:05:36.000And the problem of DEI is we've essentially rebuilt our entire civilization around a fantasy.
01:05:43.000And eventually the bill does come due, but it's a big country.
01:05:47.000It can take decades and decades for it to happen.
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01:09:45.000So to explain it more, because again, one, this is bizarre difference.
01:09:49.000People love their weed for some reason.
01:09:51.000People love their rap music for some reason.
01:09:53.000And kind of each one of them, as he explains it, is sort of pushing back on like a degenerate angle of American culture, a way American culture is going rotten.
01:10:05.000And so that's why certain things could definitely be there.
01:10:07.000Like there's no, I will not use porn, but sort of the no weed kind of is part of that.
01:10:13.000It's that you're pushing back on this.
01:10:15.000So weed is that there's this widespread acceptance of like bad addictive crap in American life that people are, you know, doing all these drugs, doing all this stuff that's self-destructive, and we just wallow in it.
01:10:26.000And it's, you know, it's considered okay to talk about, you know, we have ads for it everywhere.
01:10:42.000It's about sort of like, you know, the underclass culture of America.
01:10:47.000So, you know, extolling, you know, all this trashy stuff rather than like good music.
01:10:52.000And it's not that, you know, we're going to ban rap music, but it probably is not the best thing to extol, especially when the lyrics are like vulgar and violent and just very trashy.
01:11:27.000It's not literally a Marvel movie, but spiritually refusing to watch Star Wars does adhere with what the pledge is going for, which we have all these people who care so much about Star Wars.
01:11:38.000And you can now find threads on Reddit where people are.
01:11:41.000I quit watching Game of Thrones in what?
01:12:33.000And then, you know, blow the Eagles have this great, this great thing they do where when you apply a little bit of pressure, they completely fold.
01:12:40.000Say it's actually a coping mechanism, defense mechanism that's learned, evolved over the years.
01:12:44.000But yeah, being Eagles fans or being Catholic or Polish culture, et cetera.
01:12:50.000It's all Star Wars on like every car that I saw with kids in it.
01:12:54.000So by the way, we're actually taking in the posto household, we are taking the Greer Pledge or, you know, or making our own version of this to the next level.
01:13:05.000So not only are we doing, I already don't watch Marvel movies, but we are also raising our children Star Wars free.
01:13:14.000So at this point, my kids, including not actually all of it, all of it.
01:13:33.000The pledge used to not have the tattoo line, and it instead had I will not watch the NFL.
01:13:39.000And he actually did a whole essay explaining why he took out I will not watch the NFL.
01:13:45.000And I think it's kind of interesting what he's getting at because arguably the NFL is like the biggest one of these things that like conservatives can't quit watching it.
01:15:41.000As a guy who was in the Navy, I think I'm the only guy who's ever gone through eight years in the Navy without getting a tattoo or having one sip of alcohol the entire time.
01:15:52.000Apparently, a majority of women under 40 have tattoos now.
01:20:14.000So if you agree with something that you came to completely independently, but it happens to fit in this bucket of like, you know, TradCon or TradCath or something like, it's like, I read the Bible when I was becoming a Christian in college and I was like, well, no sex before marriage, obviously.
01:23:16.000So what happened is, and I was like, okay, I'm actually going to cheer for UW because I don't want to see Andrew institutionalized because it was getting to that level, right?
01:23:43.000A guy just collapses on the field for UW, which, because of a glitch in the rules that Blake disagrees with, it effectively stops the clock and gives the winning team a timeout.
01:24:51.000Wait, who's like student alleged headed to his fourth college in seven years?
01:24:56.000Getting way out of line, you elite U.S. versus I happen to think that the NIL is actually totally elevated the sport because instead of just like Georgia dominating everything and Alabama dominating everything and Ohio State, now you got this transfer portal.
01:25:11.000And like now you're going to have essentially you're going to have a 12-team playoff and you're going to actually have about eight legitimate contenders.
01:25:17.000Like this year, Oregon in a playoff would have been pretty like, I think it would have been really fun to watch.
01:26:40.000Like, if you're why I get so much done, like, if you're why I'm so productive, a serious source of like right-wing politics is probably like autistic dorks who play paradox games and they like LARP as founding the Spanish Empire or something.
01:27:10.000Gamergate is probably the single most complex event in human history, displacing the French Revolution.
01:27:15.000Yeah, I completely agree with Blake on that.
01:27:17.000I've had multiple people try to go through the whole list of it with me, and I still can't get there.
01:27:22.000But I will say, though, what we got out of Gamergate was the fact that gamers were the first people to take on journalists and not actually approach them as the way that conservatives and establishment types always did by saying, oh, these are good faith people and we should just talk about their accusations and try to shape the context.
01:27:41.000No, because gamers don't look at journalists as people.
01:27:44.000They look at them as enemies in the game.
01:27:47.000And they start sitting there thinking, how do we defeat the enemies in the game?
01:27:53.000How do we assess their critical vulnerabilities?
01:27:55.000How do we use them against themselves?
01:27:57.000And they basically created the entire playbook that we now use every single day to the point where you're seeing like Bill Ackerman's wife is using it on Business Insider.
01:29:45.000I love the no fructose corn syrup because I've seen so many people, no names, people associated with this show, just down like seven ups and diet Pepsi.
01:29:59.000I know there's no corn syrup and diet Pepsi.
01:30:01.000It should be no diet anything, but like nothing.
01:32:13.000I'm talking about casual, broy golf where you could be with your family and you're there for four hours and you're schlepping around and you're like, oh, I'm within 100 yards.
01:33:23.000No, like giving affirmative action to hire someone who doesn't look like your kids because it like helps you feel like you atone for your like racial crimes.
01:33:51.000I don't know how many live episodes of these we are going to be able to do.
01:33:54.000We pledged you that we will be able to do as many as we can.
01:33:58.000We were also on the hook for one episode of this a week.
01:34:01.000I really love that people have just appreciate the thought crime format and what it is.
01:34:06.000It's a couple of guys just kind of talking about the news, but you know who we are, know what our background is, except for Andrew.
01:34:13.000We're all kind of asking questions about Andrew.
01:34:16.000But we're going to be here and we're going to be using this show as Not just a place to talk about the issues, but also to get into the ins and outs of everything that goes on through this year.
01:34:26.000We're going to give you the behind-the-scenes look on everything that happens with the election this year, right here on Thought Crime.