The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 29 — The Drowning Gap? Desantis Backers on the Trump Bus? United's DEI Death Wish?

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00:01:36.000 Okay, everybody, happy thought crime Thursday.

00:01:39.000 We are here after a big streaming week, and we have Blake Neff.

00:01:43.000 Howdy.

00:01:44.000 Andrew, producer Andrew's in person.

00:01:47.000 Got you.

00:01:48.000 And remotely is Jack Pasobic.

00:01:51.000 Jack, how are we doing?

00:01:52.000 I'd just like to, I'm just really excited that producer Andrew was able to slip over the border after that swimming incident he had on the Rio Grande.

00:02:01.000 It's like, where's he going with this?

00:02:03.000 Yeah, it's true.

00:02:05.000 It's true.

00:02:06.000 The feds want me to report soon, but I'm here to.

00:02:11.000 That's not true.

00:02:12.000 The Biden administration has actually crossed it.

00:02:14.000 That would be another one deportation they would do.

00:02:17.000 They asked where I wanted to go in the interior.

00:02:19.000 I said Phoenix.

00:02:20.000 That's where all the illegals are hanging out.

00:02:21.000 So that's why I'm here.

00:02:22.000 That would be one deportation they would fulfill.

00:02:26.000 I'll tell you what.

00:02:27.000 All righty, Travis.

00:02:28.000 So, Jack, I spoke over you a lot during the Iowa live stream.

00:02:31.000 Sorry.

00:02:32.000 So therefore, we're going to give you uninterrupted time to talk about the back of the bus.

00:02:38.000 The wheels on the bus go round and round.

00:02:42.000 What is the bus?

00:02:44.000 Shall one go to the back of the bus?

00:02:46.000 Go ahead and go forward.

00:02:48.000 Is it better to be in front of the bus or on the bus?

00:02:52.000 And is this a Rosa Parks moment?

00:02:55.000 Well, there are many spots on the bus.

00:02:56.000 Yeah, so I made the comment and I was doing a live stream, I guess, on, well, my show.

00:03:02.000 It wasn't a live show.

00:03:03.000 The day after the Iowa primary, after our live stream.

00:03:03.000 It was my show.

00:03:06.000 And this sort of debate had been raging online.

00:03:11.000 And then you had mentioned it on air.

00:03:13.000 And, you know, you come on right before me.

00:03:14.000 So everyone was sort of having this conversation.

00:03:16.000 It bled over into our shows as these things do on social media and just sort of in the information space.

00:03:23.000 And the question, of course, becomes what to do with the people who say they want to unite the party now that they realize that they were on the losing end of the primary.

00:03:34.000 And, you know, the question is, I think it's multifaceted.

00:03:38.000 And I had Raheem on and we had some great questions and some great reparte about this.

00:03:42.000 And, you know, we've all been through a few election cycles at this point.

00:03:45.000 So it's not like this is the first time we've been we've encountered this question.

00:03:50.000 And I basically said it like this.

00:03:52.000 I said, look, there's a big bus.

00:03:53.000 The bus has a lot of seats on it, but not all seats are the same.

00:03:57.000 Some seats are in the front.

00:03:58.000 Some seats are in the middle.

00:04:00.000 Some seats are in the back by the bathrooms.

00:04:02.000 And yes, I was obviously playing off of the MLK stuff from earlier in this week.

00:04:06.000 And then I said, you know, but there are some peoples who don't get on the bus because, you know, I should say, by the way, there's also strap hangers, you know, for the people who are standing on the bus.

00:04:15.000 There's a roof rack.

00:04:16.000 There's people who maybe they can push the bus for a little while.

00:04:19.000 Over here in the Northeast, we've had a lot of snow.

00:04:22.000 So we'll need people to plow the roads in certain parts of the bus, Iowa as well.

00:04:27.000 But then there's snakes.

00:04:28.000 Snakes are not allowed on the bus because there will be no snakes on the bus.

00:04:32.000 And I think that's pretty much where I come down on this.

00:04:35.000 You yourself said on the show that, you know, there's circles to this: inner circle, outer circle, far outer circle.

00:04:43.000 And then, and then the one thing, though, that I would like to address, and I was on Sean Spicer's show yesterday, we had the same conversation.

00:04:49.000 And maybe if I wasn't completely clear about this, I'm not talking about the voters.

00:04:54.000 Okay.

00:04:54.000 People said, whoa, whoa, if I supported someone else in the primary.

00:04:57.000 I said, no, I'm not talking about voters.

00:05:00.000 I'm not talking about anything like that.

00:05:01.000 Look, I've been through enough election cycles to know politics, you win through addition, not subtraction.

00:05:07.000 So yes, we want every vote.

00:05:09.000 And everyone is welcome to vote for Donald Trump now.

00:05:11.000 I think everyone probably should have done that a year ago and saved us this ridiculous exercise.

00:05:16.000 But okay, here we are.

00:05:17.000 And so, look, yes, we do need every single vote that we can get.

00:05:21.000 That being said, what I was talking about were thought leaders, specifically thought leaders.

00:05:28.000 And for those thought leaders that weren't, you know, doing the things that they could be doing during the primary, there's one space.

00:05:36.000 But then there's a certain type of person that did not comport themselves very well during the primary.

00:05:43.000 And, you know, I got a call earlier today from my good buddy, Danny Lippmann over at the Politico.

00:05:50.000 And he said, he said, who are you talking about, Jack?

00:05:52.000 Who are you talking about?

00:05:53.000 And I said, and I said, did you see Jeremy Redfern on Twitter today?

00:05:56.000 And I said, this is just a perfect example.

00:05:58.000 And I understand that he's, you know, the governor's official staff as his press secretary, but he's also an influencer in many ways.

00:06:05.000 You can be official staff.

00:06:06.000 You could be campaign staff.

00:06:08.000 In fact, by the way, if you are being a good staffer in modern politics, you should be an influencer.

00:06:12.000 And that's another discussion.

00:06:14.000 And Trot, I think you'll agree with me on that.

00:06:16.000 That you should be out there every day defending your candidate, pushing narratives, responding to things in the news.

00:06:22.000 Everything is comms anymore.

00:06:24.000 And yet, Jeremy Redfern posted a tweet today from, again, he's being paid by, I don't know, I don't think he was off today.

00:06:30.000 So it looked like he was on the clock being paid by the taxpayers of Florida saying that Donald Trump was missing from the campaign trail.

00:06:36.000 And not only was he missing, but the fact that he was in his basement.

00:06:41.000 Yeah, there's a major news cycle over the past 24 hours that Donald Trump asked to be let out of court today so that he could attend the funeral for his mother-in-law, for his wife's mother who died, his son's grandmother, okay, Amalia Kavas.

00:06:59.000 And this was a situation where these same people, these very same people, maybe not Jeremy directly, but the dissatisfact camp had been attacking Melania Trump because she didn't appear at any of the holiday parties for Mar-a-Lago over the holidays, whether it be Christmas, whether it be New Year.

00:07:15.000 She was conspicuously absent from Christmas photos and things.

00:07:18.000 And they were attacking her as missing and saying that she was on the outs.

00:07:22.000 And this is something Brian Selter had done as a conspiracy theory during the administration at one point as well.

00:07:26.000 Well, it turns out that instead of just asking around, I mean, they're in Florida.

00:07:29.000 It wouldn't be that hard to figure out if you had like actual sources.

00:07:33.000 She was attending her mother while she was on her deathbed.

00:07:37.000 And so, you know, when I say no snakes on the bus, I'm thinking of people like this specifically.

00:07:43.000 People like this, absolutely.

00:07:44.000 You're not just on the back of the bus.

00:07:46.000 We're throwing you out the back door of the back of the bus.

00:07:49.000 And people like Jamie Dimon, when they want to suddenly run around up there, blapping his gums at Davos, at the World Economic Forum on CNBC, wearing his Ukrainian lapel pin, Ukrainian flag lapel pin, suddenly, suddenly, this guy who, yes, was did pay $75 million to Jeffrey Epstein's victims because JP Morgan, which he's the chairman of, was the banker for Epstein's money.

00:08:14.000 You know, he's suddenly talking about how important it is that he loves MAGA and Trump's great guy, and we shouldn't insult Trump voters.

00:08:20.000 And it's like, okay, I can see what's going on here.

00:08:23.000 I can see what's going on.

00:08:24.000 Certain people are on the bus, certain people are off.

00:08:27.000 So, your take, Andrew, your response.

00:08:30.000 Well, I think, Jack, where this is coming from, people have to understand where this comes from in the context of everybody, at least at this table.

00:08:38.000 We've been through this in 2016, 2020.

00:08:42.000 And I think universally there's a love, especially much, and I don't mean to talk for you, Charlie, but massive influencers within the MAGA movement, Jack, Charlie.

00:08:53.000 You guys have a universal love for Trump, the person.

00:08:57.000 You guys have sat with him, had dinner with him.

00:08:58.000 Like, there is a genuine affection, I think, that goes both ways.

00:09:02.000 Where it starts breaking down, at least in past experiences, is there's certain people that glob on to power within the inner circles of the Trump orbits, right?

00:09:13.000 And that has created a lot of consternation in the past, a lot of burned bridges, a lot of hurt feelings, not necessarily with people here, but we've all heard about it.

00:09:22.000 And it is, on the one hand, something that's just necessary.

00:09:25.000 It's going to happen.

00:09:26.000 It's inevitable, rather, that you're going to have certain people that you're close with, not so close with within the Trump orbit.

00:09:32.000 But what we're saying is: listen, this has been a season where we know who our true friends are.

00:09:39.000 You have seen the people that will stick by you through thick and thin in this last season because it was very easy for a lot of people because we saw so many examples of people taking the paycheck, people going on.

00:09:52.000 I mean, for the record, you know, Charlie does not get paid a dime to say something nice about Trump.

00:09:58.000 No, I get nothing about that.

00:09:59.000 We've lost tons of donors.

00:10:00.000 I'm going to just be very transparent with the audience, and I want everyone's advice.

00:10:06.000 So, I got a text message from somebody this week, and I didn't respond.

00:10:11.000 And I prayed about it.

00:10:13.000 I wanted to respond a certain way, and I didn't respond a certain way.

00:10:16.000 And it's somebody that's actually being debated online of whether or not forgiveness shall be offered.

00:10:22.000 And Steve Cortez, ah, and I like Steve a lot.

00:10:25.000 Yeah, I like Steve.

00:10:26.000 He came on.

00:10:26.000 So I'm being very transparent.

00:10:27.000 He's been on our show.

00:10:28.000 This is not an anti-Steve thing, but it's a principled thing, right?

00:10:31.000 Because I was very bothered by how you threw him a retweet.

00:10:36.000 Great.

00:10:36.000 So, so, so, I just, I want the audience.

00:10:39.000 Remind me, what did Steve do?

00:10:40.000 Well, he didn't burn down a Wendy's.

00:10:44.000 But no, but let me tell you.

00:10:45.000 Well, he'd be a saint.

00:10:46.000 We'd have a statue of him.

00:10:47.000 Yeah, let me tell you.

00:10:48.000 Let me tell you.

00:10:48.000 And Steve texted me and he's texting me this tweet.

00:10:51.000 He talks uniting behind Donald John Trump.

00:10:53.000 Here's what happened: Steve was super MAGA all spring.

00:10:56.000 MAGA, MAGA, MAGA.

00:10:57.000 He was frequently on War Room, great economic analysis.

00:10:59.000 On our show.

00:10:59.000 He was on our show.

00:11:00.000 And he goes dark for a week.

00:11:01.000 And then out of nowhere, he becomes a spokesperson for DeSantis.

00:11:04.000 Out of nowhere.

00:11:05.000 Doesn't tell anyone.

00:11:06.000 It was like a really weirdest one.

00:11:08.000 His daughter still works for the Trump campaign and her daughter was sub-tweeting her dad.

00:11:12.000 And then all of a sudden, he like wouldn't respond to texts and was like, DeSantis can be the nominee and was like, bro, how much money's involved in this?

00:11:20.000 And like, it was just kind of not.

00:11:23.000 Cringe.

00:11:24.000 Yeah, it wasn't the way you do things, I think.

00:11:26.000 Again, but I'm not sure.

00:11:29.000 Usually when someone you, when someone you talk to, it would be like, it would be like if I suddenly went to work for DeSantis out of nowhere.

00:11:37.000 And by the way, hadn't like sent a message to anyone I talked to on a regular basis to say, hey, guys, by the way, I'm thinking of doing this.

00:11:46.000 Here's my thought.

00:11:47.000 Just none of that, right?

00:11:49.000 You know, none of, didn't pick up the phone to call anybody.

00:11:51.000 And just one day, boom, this is all of a sudden happening.

00:11:56.000 Rahim, who I think, as everybody knows, is another, what do you call it, co-host, guest host, kind of on the on the war room roster.

00:12:06.000 And, you know, he said something quite prescient, I think, on the show.

00:12:09.000 He said, look, get out there and do the work.

00:12:12.000 Get out there and do the work and show us that you're interested in actually winning and actually defeating Joe Biden.

00:12:19.000 And that's the way back, right?

00:12:21.000 You know, it's, it really isn't this big test of like, should we let you in or not?

00:12:26.000 It's just go out there and do good work.

00:12:28.000 And these things will kind of happen on their own.

00:12:31.000 I agree with that.

00:12:33.000 Sorry, Charlie.

00:12:34.000 No, I'm just, so I'm, I'm battling and wrestling.

00:12:38.000 Do we let him immediately back into the camp?

00:12:41.000 Because it was all DeSantis, all the time, sudden shift as if nothing happens.

00:12:46.000 Yeah.

00:12:46.000 But I would say, Charlie, and just on Steve, just on Steve, and I'll say this quickly, is that he did not comport himself the way that like a Jeremy Redfern did, right?

00:12:56.000 I don't remember him getting anything personal.

00:12:58.000 I don't remember him attacking Donald Trump personally. 0.97

00:13:01.000 I don't remember him attacking any of us personally, calling us stupid, calling his name, saying things like Ashley Babbitt should have died, which Jeremy Redfern did say. 0.74

00:13:10.000 So, you know, when I talk about people who comported themselves a certain way, that's kind of who I'm talking about.

00:13:16.000 Now, the question of letting someone back into the camp, or do they sit on the bus?

00:13:19.000 Do they sit on the bus?

00:13:20.000 Those are all different questions, but I would not put him in the category of.

00:13:24.000 Would you let him back on the bus, Jack?

00:13:27.000 He retweeted him.

00:13:29.000 Oh, I gave him the retweets.

00:13:31.000 Retweets are not necessarily endorsements, though, as they all say, as they all say.

00:13:36.000 Blake, where do you find that?

00:13:37.000 Well, like I said, Blake, and I know that you very well might be tempted to say, come on, don't hold the grudges.

00:13:45.000 However, Trump world should be a little on guard about personnel that are not in alignment with...

00:13:52.000 They definitely should be.

00:13:53.000 I feel like that's probably the funny thing is I feel like we'll get this MAGA bloodlust almost like don't let any of the traitors back in.

00:14:01.000 And then we'll turn around and it'll be a year from now and we'll be like, why are there three Democrats in the cabinet?

00:14:06.000 And why is he only giving interviews to the New York Times again?

00:14:10.000 He might, yeah, he might win.

00:14:12.000 And he easily could win.

00:14:14.000 And I think the big fear a lot of people have is what if all the mistakes that were made in 2017 that could easily be chalked up to inexperience.

00:14:21.000 It was a totally unprecedented time.

00:14:23.000 But what if we fall back into the same habits again?

00:14:26.000 Yeah.

00:14:26.000 I'm not sure the easy way to answer that.

00:14:28.000 This is what's driving a lot of this conversation is because there was really two pieces of it.

00:14:34.000 There was the behind the scenes piece, right?

00:14:36.000 People getting close to Trump.

00:14:38.000 Jack, you know this really well that would either block out or embrace.

00:14:42.000 And we all sort of knew who the true believers were and who they weren't, you guys better than I.

00:14:46.000 And then there was the front of house people, the people that were public that you were like, these people ended up being the biggest snakes in the grass that you can imagine.

00:14:55.000 And I think, Jack, you tweeted out something like that that these people that are trying to come back to Trump and cozy on up to Trump after Iowa are getting the snake in the grass poem.

00:15:04.000 And from a personnel standpoint, we saw time and again how his policies were thwarted by bad personnel choices, right?

00:15:14.000 So we're all saying like, hey, we've got a very hardcore agenda here.

00:15:17.000 We're going to deport 10 million illegals. 0.99

00:15:19.000 We're going to knock off the DEI.

00:15:22.000 We got stuff to do.

00:15:23.000 And we don't want these globalists that secretly wish Nick won the nom, but don't want to be irrelevant either, trying to cozy back up to the guy that's supposed to be leading the charge here.

00:15:34.000 And here's the issue, too, with appointments.

00:15:38.000 And I'm not, by the way, I'm not talking even about appointments at this point.

00:15:41.000 I'm talking just very loosely, like, I don't even know, like retweets, right?

00:15:46.000 Like throwing somebody a retweet is, you know, what did we learn from the first administration that you cannot trust anyone.

00:15:54.000 You can't even trust paper pushers.

00:15:56.000 What was this guy, Miles Anonymous Taylor or something?

00:15:58.000 He was like, second level.

00:16:02.000 By the way, this guy was part of staff.

00:16:04.000 I'm not going to say it.

00:16:05.000 I was once at a social function with him.

00:16:07.000 I never liked him. 0.99

00:16:08.000 He's a weasel. 0.87

00:16:09.000 And by the way, he's the one that literally wrote these pieces. 0.89

00:16:11.000 Remember this in the New York Times?

00:16:13.000 I am anonymous.

00:16:14.000 Oh, he's anonymous.

00:16:15.000 And I am a heartbeat away and I keep things off his desk and I am the true check and balance.

00:16:21.000 The founding fathers would be proud of me because I am the true leader of the nation.

00:16:25.000 You know, right?

00:16:26.000 I am the conscious of the nation.

00:16:27.000 Remember that, Jack?

00:16:28.000 That I, 29-year-old, you know, who went to Yale and then we had the guessing game for like a couple weeks.

00:16:35.000 So, you know, we all thought it would be like someone serious.

00:16:38.000 Oh, I just think there's a couple things worth bringing up.

00:16:38.000 Sorry, Blake, go ahead.

00:16:41.000 One, as Angela points out in our chat, we do, you know, Trump has the nomination locked up, but even though I have just predicted that he will win, I don't, you know, it's not guaranteed.

00:16:51.000 No, no, we all.

00:16:52.000 And one of the hazards is if you have DeSantis or Haley people, I guess, feel really bitter about the way the primary went and it ended, they can, of course, not vote or they could throw in with RFK.

00:17:04.000 We're already seeing a few people do that.

00:17:06.000 Can I ask you a question?

00:17:07.000 What does history tell us about the best process to heal these wounds, yet keep your standards high?

00:17:13.000 Where can we point to as someone who's done that the best?

00:17:15.000 Team of Rivals.

00:17:16.000 It's hard for me.

00:17:17.000 I don't think Team Arrivals is a good example.

00:17:19.000 I feel like traditionally.

00:17:22.000 Hold on.

00:17:22.000 Let Blake answer the question.

00:17:23.000 Hold on.

00:17:23.000 I want to say that.

00:17:24.000 Traditionally, this has just sort of been self-healing because partisan instincts in the U.S. are so strong, pretty durable, that people would just think, I don't want Biden.

00:17:34.000 You know, the moving principle here is no one wants Biden to win.

00:17:38.000 And so over time, as you get closer and closer to the election, wounds do organically heal.

00:17:43.000 And the most obvious case of this is 2016.

00:17:45.000 2016 was a wild time.

00:17:47.000 People said wild stuff.

00:17:49.000 You had people who were big fans of Ted Cruz, of Marco Rubio, of all these, you know, of all these, you know, conservatives who'd done a lot.

00:17:57.000 And Trump really ridiculed them.

00:17:59.000 He embarrassed them.

00:18:01.000 And this was really bitter.

00:18:02.000 Remember, Ted Cruz did.

00:18:04.000 Ted Cruz would not endorse him at the convention.

00:18:07.000 And people were enraged at that.

00:18:09.000 I was enraged about it.

00:18:11.000 Just, how can you do this? 0.84

00:18:13.000 And then just, well, we didn't want Hillary to win. 1.00

00:18:16.000 So people got over it.

00:18:17.000 Even Cruz did endorse to election day.

00:18:21.000 I can't remember.

00:18:22.000 He did just endorse, ironically, but I will never forget.

00:18:27.000 And I wonder if Jack, Charlie Blake, if you guys remember this moment, it was like two weeks before the election in 2016.

00:18:33.000 You've got this firebrand, Trump, this unknown commodity.

00:18:36.000 He brings Pence along.

00:18:38.000 And I do think, you know, Pence obviously is not the most popular guy in the movement these days.

00:18:42.000 He would have gotten to expect that.

00:18:43.000 Yeah, got into a public feud with Charlie, actually, ironically during an ATCON during the summer.

00:18:49.000 But he said, I remember it was like on 60 Minutes or something, one of these old establishment kind of outlets.

00:18:55.000 And he said, he looked right in the camera and he said, it's time to come home.

00:18:59.000 Just super boring.

00:19:01.000 Like, you know, it's time to everybody just come on home.

00:19:04.000 And I remember thinking, like, that was a powerful moment because it spoke to the people that probably are backing DeSantis right now, but it was a healing moment.

00:19:15.000 And it was like, okay, if Mike Pence, old, boring, you know, Mike Pence is telling you to come back and back this guy, okay, that's that's comforting somehow.

00:19:23.000 And man, the funny thing is, is when you said you, you know, he had a feud with Mike Pence, I had to pause and think, why would he have a feud?

00:19:30.000 Oh, wait.

00:19:31.000 Mike Pence ran for president.

00:19:33.000 No, but he also forgot that.

00:19:35.000 It was also that it was that, by the way, it was Charlie tweeted out a clip of the Tucker takedown at Iowa.

00:19:41.000 It was with the family leader, whatever.

00:19:43.000 And it was like, you know, these people love Ukraine more than America.

00:19:47.000 And he was like, pardon me, Charlie.

00:19:49.000 Back where I come from, this is called fake news.

00:19:52.000 And it was like, no, he literally just posted what he said.

00:19:55.000 Anyway.

00:19:57.000 What is the process then, Blake, you would recommend?

00:19:59.000 Because you, and then here is the other provocative question.

00:20:02.000 Does Trump forgive too easily?

00:20:04.000 What's funny is I feel like Trump can forgive too easy and not enough because what he really does is he fixates on these enemies.

00:20:11.000 And this is what I worry about a bit with DeSantis, is that DeSantis was not merely an opponent that Trump had to, you know, cast, drive aside in order to get the nomination.

00:20:20.000 I think that's kind of what Ted Cruz was like in 2016, for example.

00:20:24.000 DeSantis became the Jeb Bush of the 2024 primary.

00:20:30.000 He became this figure that Trump fixated on really early.

00:20:34.000 He was attacking DeSantis even before the midterms.

00:20:37.000 And he really seemed to relish coming up with all the nicknames, really humiliating him.

00:20:45.000 And I feel like any person who gets in that role with Trump, I don't know that Trump has ever rehabilitated someone from that.

00:20:53.000 And I could see that causing a good amount of long-term bitterness, at least in some quarters.

00:21:00.000 Like we talked about people getting nasty politically, people saying nasty stuff about Trump supporters in support of DeSantis. 0.69

00:21:06.000 But the Trump campaign implied, or at least people linked with the Trump campaign, implied that DeSantis' wife faked having cancer and that DeSantis was a pedophile.

00:21:15.000 What did he say about Cruz, though?

00:21:17.000 Cruz, his dad, he said lots of stuff.

00:21:20.000 Killed JFK.

00:21:22.000 Well, but that's a factual statement.

00:21:25.000 A lot of the stuff lines up.

00:21:26.000 Yeah, the Zodiac killer, but I think that was more mean energy.

00:21:32.000 They both went after each other's wives.

00:21:34.000 There was a lot of bad stuff like that, but I do feel like things got very, there were some very wild allegations that were made against DeSantis' family from at least people pretty adjacent to Trump world.

00:21:34.000 They did.

00:21:48.000 I can't remember if there was ever a truth about it or anything like that.

00:21:51.000 I don't think that no, I don't think that they went as hard at DeSantis as they did against Ted Cruz.

00:21:57.000 I really don't think so.

00:21:58.000 I don't think they ever suggested Ted Cruz. 0.95

00:22:00.000 Like the thing about the Zodiac killer is it's it's sort of silly, but it's insane. 0.79

00:22:04.000 Like not old enough to be the Zodiac killer. 0.97

00:22:06.000 Trump went very savage against Heidi Cruz. 1.00

00:22:08.000 You forget he put up a picture of Heidi Cruz.

00:22:12.000 That was really aggressive. 0.66

00:22:14.000 I feel like it's hard in my head, it's hard to top earnestly implying that a candidate is a pedophile. 0.60

00:22:20.000 That was pretty wild to me.

00:22:22.000 So the question then remains, the bus analysis.

00:22:27.000 Yeah, so does he forgive too easily?

00:22:29.000 He definitely criticism of some people.

00:22:34.000 They'll say, why on earth are some of these people even being entertained back into the orbit?

00:22:39.000 What will stink, I think, is Trump def, like I said, he fixates on a few people who he will like never forgive.

00:22:46.000 Like I think Jeff Sessions is probably an example of that where Trump blames him for these things for the Russia for Russia and all of this.

00:22:54.000 And so never again.

00:22:55.000 And I feel like he could end up doing that to DeSantis just in the sense that he loves beating up on DeSantis.

00:23:01.000 But if he doesn't perceive himself as having this feud with a person and there's only a few people that's really like, yeah, he'll just get over it immediately.

00:23:09.000 And, you know, he'll have the dinner conversation with them.

00:23:13.000 And three hours later, it'll just be, Nikki Haley's back in mega camp.

00:23:18.000 You know, we're going to point yourself.

00:23:21.000 To that statement, though, I mean, look at, look at the dust up with Vivek from the last time that we were on a live stream together, all four of us on a live stream.

00:23:30.000 We were all talking about the dust up with Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:23:34.000 We were talking about the fact that, oh my gosh, Trump is going so hard at him.

00:23:39.000 He's calling him not MAGA.

00:23:41.000 He's calling him a snake.

00:23:42.000 He's saying all of these things.

00:23:44.000 And then within 24 hours, maybe not even 24 hours, all of a sudden he's getting the handshake and they're on, they're on stage together.

00:23:51.000 That surprised nobody, though.

00:23:52.000 No, like no one was shocked by that.

00:23:55.000 Well, because Vivek, okay.

00:23:56.000 I think you, you talked about this earlier, Jack.

00:23:59.000 You were talking about the way they comport themselves.

00:24:01.000 And I will say, you know, I was watching the chat.

00:24:04.000 It seemed like the chat was like, you know, screw Steve Cortez.

00:24:08.000 I tend to be like, want to show some magnanimous love for Steve, but I don't, the timing, I think, and I don't disagree.

00:24:16.000 I'm just, I'm wrestling because you know, my temptation, let me say, my, my fleshly temptation wanted to say, oh, Steve, thanks for the text, man.

00:24:24.000 Where were you over the summer when you were pumping DeSantis for an unnecessary primary, probably being paid way too much money by a now defunct bankrupted super PAC?

00:24:32.000 I didn't say that.

00:24:34.000 But like, I was tempted to.

00:24:35.000 Do you know what I'm saying?

00:24:36.000 Like, I'm saying, like, but I didn't think while we were laboring through the fields of trying to get this nomination over with.

00:24:41.000 Yeah.

00:24:42.000 And being called cult members.

00:24:44.000 Well, like, was he and I didn't text him.

00:24:45.000 Yeah, of course.

00:24:46.000 And, you know, just said it.

00:24:47.000 But Steve's boring way of saying it.

00:24:49.000 I said what I'm saying.

00:24:49.000 It's a boring question.

00:24:50.000 It's like, okay, well, politics is a mercenary business.

00:24:53.000 Was he offered a thing by the Trump campaign?

00:24:55.000 Or was he only offered something by DeSantis?

00:24:57.000 I don't know.

00:24:57.000 That's the difference.

00:24:58.000 You know, I don't know.

00:24:59.000 I don't believe that he was afraid of the culture.

00:25:00.000 He's a real difference after him.

00:25:02.000 No, that's fair.

00:25:03.000 He was in MAGA's circle, but his daughter was working for the Trump.

00:25:06.000 But I don't know that I want to think of politics as mercenary.

00:25:09.000 And maybe that's just me.

00:25:11.000 Wasn't Mike Lee's wife working?

00:25:12.000 Senator Lee's wife was working for Never Back Down when he endorsed Trump. 0.99

00:25:16.000 Oops.

00:25:17.000 Well, I mean, there's a lot of that.

00:25:18.000 I mean, I just don't want to think of it as so mercenary.

00:25:20.000 And I think this is why it strikes a certain chord when we're talking about it and why you were tweeting about it, why it was such a, I mean, I want to say it was the Jamie Dimon clip that actually set all of this off.

00:25:33.000 I mean, Charlie, you tweeted it and went kind of viral that morning.

00:25:36.000 I think it's, I don't look at it.

00:25:39.000 So Jamie Dimon is a different bucket, right?

00:25:41.000 I mean, Jamie Dimon is one of these guys that goes where the wind blows.

00:25:44.000 He's a weather vein.

00:25:45.000 He's, he says things that are moderately popular in the center, whatever.

00:25:49.000 He's a good businessman, actually.

00:25:51.000 And I think that's one category.

00:25:53.000 Should you let somebody like that into your administration or your cabinet?

00:25:56.000 In my opinion, absolutely not.

00:25:58.000 Absolutely not.

00:25:59.000 But you do want somebody like that to come do the photo op at the White House.

00:26:02.000 You want to keep them in a...

00:26:03.000 So let me ask a question, though.

00:26:05.000 Is someone like Steve Cortez more trustworthy than a silent establishment person that just lurks in the water and does 100% strong opinions?

00:26:13.000 100%, right?

00:26:14.000 The kind of Elaine Chows of the world, the turtle, the turtle, Chinese Communist Party. 0.96

00:26:20.000 I agree.

00:26:21.000 I would rather have Steve Cortez than all of a sudden the establishment figure that appears when Trump looks like he's going to be the nomination.

00:26:28.000 There's a million people who just, yeah, stay below the surface.

00:26:31.000 Don't say too much.

00:26:32.000 It's amazing.

00:26:33.000 This is a cottage industry.

00:26:34.000 I have not, I'm going to write a piece on this.

00:26:36.000 And I think it's so important.

00:26:38.000 And I'm just learning because all of a sudden as Trump's getting the nomination, I'm seeing texts and calls of people I haven't in a long time.

00:26:44.000 And I thought to myself, they've really same here, man.

00:26:46.000 No, but it's interesting though.

00:26:47.000 They weren't anti-Trump.

00:26:49.000 They were kind of doing the circuit and doing the thing.

00:26:51.000 They were just gone.

00:26:52.000 They were just kind of one of these.

00:26:54.000 And it's as if like a beacon went out.

00:26:56.000 And they're like, here I am.

00:26:58.000 Yeah.

00:26:59.000 Wait, wait, I tweeted about this.

00:27:01.000 I said, all of a sudden, my phone is chirping more than the smoke alarm in Joy Reed's living room with people that I haven't heard from in years.

00:27:10.000 But I wanted to get this out that Raheem had a great point about this.

00:27:12.000 And Raheem and Steve have, you know, I'm not going to speak for him, but, you know, they were obviously very close before all this war room posse, et cetera.

00:27:20.000 And Raheem had a point. 0.93

00:27:21.000 He said, look, you know, there was a time in my life where I would have said, you know, screw them all and kick them all overboard.

00:27:26.000 But, you know, one thing is, what are you bringing to bear?

00:27:30.000 And I think, Charlie, this is kind of what you're getting at as well is what do you bring to the table?

00:27:34.000 And one thing that Steve Cortez had, and he still does have this, is that he was an excellent communicator, that he did have that communication skill.

00:27:44.000 He did have that chalk talk.

00:27:46.000 He had that ability to bring this to bear.

00:27:48.000 Now, he never really was able to put it into play for DeSantis, which, by the way, is a whole interesting story that I'd love to get to because I remember he wasn't really doing these things for DeSantis.

00:27:58.000 It's like they kind of put him on the shelf really, really far.

00:28:01.000 And then, you know, the question is: do you want a guy out there every day making chalk talks like that for Donald Trump?

00:28:08.000 And I was like, you know, on average, on net, I would rather have that on margin.

00:28:12.000 It makes sense.

00:28:13.000 Now, as far as high-level appointments and things, that's well, and Jack, I think what's interesting about 2020, 2026 versus now is 2026, it made sense to unite the clans, right?

00:28:13.000 So, Jack.

00:28:27.000 Like, bring everybody home because Trump did not have an established backing.

00:28:32.000 But what made 2023 awkward was A, and I think, Jack, you know this better than anybody, is how vitriolic and obnoxious the DeSantis influencers became.

00:28:44.000 And then, B, the mere fact that all of them used to back Donald Trump.

00:28:48.000 So it was, but whereas in 2016, you know, the people that were anti-Trump, never Trump, they had never backed him before.

00:28:55.000 Now, let's be fair.

00:28:56.000 Some of the Trump influencers were a little fair.

00:28:59.000 No.

00:29:00.000 But it's okay if you're winning.

00:29:03.000 That's my rule.

00:29:04.000 If you're winning, I give you more.

00:29:07.000 It's like you're taunting.

00:29:08.000 You're up in the game.

00:29:09.000 Well, it's also, I kid you not.

00:29:11.000 If you're losing and you're obnoxious, I really got like Eric Erickson going like, but it's also a different standard.

00:29:16.000 He's going to win Iowa.

00:29:17.000 Yeah.

00:29:18.000 If you're DeSantis, if you're just looking at basic game theory here, if you're DeSantis, you need to convert Trump voters to win.

00:29:18.000 Okay.

00:29:27.000 And so if your team is running around calling everyone members of a cult, then you're not going to get those people on your side.

00:29:34.000 Meanwhile, if you're a Trump supporter, yeah, you can shave off a couple of points of hardcore DeSantis supporters because, again, as you say, he is the presumptive nominee.

00:29:49.000 So just basic game theory would say that the guy in the right.

00:29:53.000 It didn't feel welcoming to be, they felt like it was an antagonistic.

00:29:57.000 I don't know why.

00:29:58.000 Blake, I know you disagree with me on this.

00:30:01.000 I cannot express this.

00:30:03.000 And you guys know, like, I'm very, to this day, I still feel warm feelings about DeSantis because what he's done in Florida.

00:30:12.000 And early on, I was, I was, you know, I really was extremely.

00:30:17.000 I know we don't say it.

00:30:19.000 I was against the vitriol in general.

00:30:21.000 I didn't like it.

00:30:23.000 But the bottom line is I felt like there was once it hit me that they were very obnoxious.

00:30:33.000 And I don't know that I can fully articulate why, but I know that you think that it went both ways and it did.

00:30:33.000 Very obnoxious.

00:30:39.000 But I don't know why they presented.

00:30:41.000 I agree with Tucker.

00:30:42.000 There was a repulsion I felt at times with some of the DeSantis people.

00:30:46.000 And maybe it was just the snobbery, the elitism.

00:30:49.000 I think a lot of that was probably one, it was a company.

00:30:49.000 I don't know.

00:30:52.000 I think it was being two online and people on Twitter are terrible or on X are terrible.

00:30:57.000 And also, I don't know.

00:30:59.000 I think it is really just, it goes both ways and you decide to only notice one.

00:31:04.000 Like, I truthfully think there can be a lot of nasty behavior.

00:31:07.000 But what about Cernovich?

00:31:08.000 Cernovich is a guy that basically, and Jack, correct my facts here if I'm getting it wrong.

00:31:14.000 I read Cernovich as being an OG Trump guy, but he was like very critical ultimately of some things that happened.

00:31:21.000 So then he was very positive DeSantis and then he just turned.

00:31:25.000 He was like, this is obnoxious.

00:31:26.000 You people are like grossing me out and I don't want to be a part of it. 0.99

00:31:30.000 Plus you just have loser energy. 0.97

00:31:31.000 So That's a guy that was completely in DeSantis' camp. 0.93

00:31:36.000 Everybody thought he was like pro DeSantis.

00:31:38.000 I don't think it was for him.

00:31:39.000 It was that.

00:31:40.000 He was at one point.

00:31:40.000 He was.

00:31:41.000 But then he was pro-DeSantis at one point because he was like, I want competency.

00:31:41.000 Yeah.

00:31:46.000 He was like, I want, he's like, I get it.

00:31:49.000 Like, I love the funny bad boy stuff, the funny tweets and all.

00:31:52.000 But at the end of the day, sure, you can win an election, but what does it matter if you don't get anything across the board when you're actually in office?

00:32:01.000 And, you know, he said this publicly, so I'm not, I'm not putting words in his mouth, but it's, it was more this idea that if we can get a guy in who's competent and also has all of these beliefs, but without the drama, then maybe we can actually move the needle.

00:32:15.000 The problem was the drama ensued.

00:32:18.000 And case in point is that you had people who were on staff acting this way online, on staff, Jeremy Red Firm, and others on staff who were doing this, engaging these types of behavior.

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00:36:01.000 Topic number two.

00:36:01.000 All right.

00:36:03.000 Thematically, I think we can open with a clip.

00:36:06.000 So we have clip 115.

00:36:10.000 Welcome aboard, folks.

00:36:11.000 We are very proud to share that your pilot is the most diverse pilot on record.

00:36:16.000 She is a three foot two inch transgender pansexual Native American man who identifies as a six foot tall Korean woman.

00:36:24.000 Any volunteers to help reach the controls are welcome.

00:36:27.000 You will want to buckle up as her epilepsy is often triggered by the flashing lights in the cockpit.

00:36:33.000 Remember to keep a whisper volume level as she may have to consult instructional videos as a refresher during the flight.

00:36:40.000 Now, can we get a big cheer for diversity?

00:36:49.000 I think that's final destination.

00:36:51.000 Final destination.

00:36:54.000 Plane explodes.

00:36:55.000 Everyone dies.

00:36:56.000 And then he then gets back to being in the terminal, if I remember the movie.

00:36:59.000 Yeah, yeah, because it's like a Ford maximum kills all the time.

00:37:01.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:37:02.000 Those are you.

00:37:03.000 What a, I don't think I saw more than that scene.

00:37:06.000 I just remember that so vividly because it happens and then he goes back to the terminal.

00:37:10.000 But who wants to take it?

00:37:11.000 This is what's going on.

00:37:12.000 So United Airlines, we have the Kirby clip.

00:37:15.000 Can we get to this?

00:37:16.000 Andrew, I want you to riff on this from a PR perspective.

00:37:18.000 You had a beautiful take on it earlier.

00:37:20.000 And we have the Kirby.

00:37:22.000 Just while they get it, so the reason, of course, it's in the news is people have dug up remarks that United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby made in, I think, 2021.

00:37:31.000 But he says, you know, United Airlines is very committed to making sure that 50% of their pilots are women.

00:37:38.000 I want to get to that.

00:37:39.000 Yes.

00:37:39.000 And by the way, just Andrew had three really good takes.

00:37:42.000 First, from a PR perspective, of just how the questions were asked.

00:37:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:37:46.000 And remember, just like the framing.

00:37:48.000 And I want you to just play this tape.

00:37:49.000 And then I want you to walk people through just because you listen to this from a PR kind of standpoint.

00:37:54.000 Let's play Cut 93, please.

00:37:55.000 That's it.

00:37:56.000 How is diversity and diversity targets working into the Aviate Academy?

00:38:01.000 We have committed that 50% of the class of the classes will be women or people of color.

00:38:07.000 Today, only 19% of our pilots at United Airlines are women or people of color.

00:38:12.000 And by the way, from all the data I've seen, that's the highest of any airline in the country.

00:38:15.000 White males don't just dominate in the cockpits. 0.73

00:38:17.000 Also, in the C-suite at United Airlines.

00:38:20.000 Well, look, at United, I'm proud of the diversity that we actually have in our C-suite.

00:38:24.000 I think if you look around corporate America, one of the things we do is for every job when we do an interview, we require women and people of color to be involved in the interview process.

00:38:33.000 So I just want to say, white males dominate on the hosts of thought crime. 0.66

00:38:37.000 This is not a diverse.

00:38:39.000 We have 100%.

00:38:41.000 We have a diversity problem here on Thought Crime. 0.99

00:38:43.000 Yeah, we do.

00:38:44.000 Our demographics here exactly match the demographics of the men who wrote the Constitution.

00:38:48.000 So, Andrew, just riff on this because the buried lead here is not even the CEO answering the question.

00:38:54.000 It's the axios propagandist, the way he asks the question.

00:38:57.000 No, this is why we say that the media is the enemy of the people, because the way he asks these questions, he's assuming that this value system that's completely, you know, arbitrary, it's just the next new thing.

00:39:11.000 So he's assuming the virtue in his line of questioning.

00:39:14.000 So he's demanding that the respondent, in this case, Kirby, CEO of United, fits into this moral framework that he's just established in the question.

00:39:23.000 You could call it leading the question.

00:39:25.000 Yeah, I mean, but the way that imagine Musk pushing back on this.

00:39:31.000 He would basically be like, Well, your question's BS.

00:39:33.000 But instead, you have this weak, effeminate, turns out drag queen CEO that doesn't push back on the premise, doesn't reject the premise at all, instead parrots it back. 0.99

00:39:44.000 And there's a striking moment here: 19% of United's pilot corps is minority or women. 0.77

00:39:53.000 Now, no coincidence, 19% of their flights are never on time.

00:39:58.000 Correlation without causing they have to get ready.

00:40:01.000 Yes, it's a get ready.

00:40:04.000 I was going to riff on that.

00:40:06.000 I can't.

00:40:06.000 So here's what's crazy.

00:40:09.000 Going from 19% to 50-50.

00:40:13.000 Blake's still laughing at himself.

00:40:15.000 Going from 19% to 50-50-50 in one year.

00:40:19.000 He said our class in 2023 in one year is actually impossible.

00:40:24.000 And I think, Blake, you made this point.

00:40:26.000 Are there even enough women or minority potential pilots out there that want to be a pilot?

00:40:33.000 Where are they going to be? 1.00

00:40:34.000 It's the funny thing because they want the supply going to go.

00:40:34.000 Why are they going to buy this?

00:40:37.000 There's the diversity push in literally every industry in America. 0.78

00:40:41.000 So they're like, okay, we need to have more, you know, women and people of color physicists and pilots and finance gurus and film directors. 0.67

00:40:51.000 Don't forget surgeons.

00:40:52.000 We can't also, it's okay that they're more common than the population in professional sports or hip-hop or any of these industries.

00:41:00.000 And we don't want that to go away.

00:41:02.000 And you just, you need only a very basic brain here to do the, you know, do the math in your head and say this doesn't work out.

00:41:11.000 And then, you know, if you just go back to the source, okay, well, like, what's the intake from this?

00:41:15.000 Well, the reason that pilots are all male is to become a pilot is hard.

00:41:19.000 You need a ton of hours in the air to become a commercial airline.

00:41:22.000 Or veterans.

00:41:23.000 Let's just.

00:41:24.000 Yes.

00:41:24.000 So you get people who either are veterans and those go through a pretty tough winnowing process or people who care enough about it and have the resources to be hobby pilots at a high amount of time or their parents paid for flight school in their 16, 17, or 18 years old.

00:41:38.000 Exactly.

00:41:39.000 That is a thing of upper middle class society.

00:41:42.000 And so, man, you have to be careful saying that because soon we'll get Congress just allocating $50 billion to the like women in flight program to pay for underprivileged people to just get flight hours and then they'll just be crashing small planes all over the place. 0.88

00:41:56.000 But this is, I think, this is the red pill of the red pill.

00:41:59.000 I've every issue where anyone who's remotely normie in my orbit goes 10 out of 10.

00:42:06.000 It's the flight one.

00:42:07.000 I have to be honest.

00:42:08.000 Or like surgeons.

00:42:09.000 Surgeon and flight are the top two where it's like no one really cares when it's HR managers.

00:42:14.000 No one cared when it was, you know, just kind of paper shufflers or even engineers.

00:42:19.000 But now when it's like, wait, wait, hold on a second. 1.00

00:42:22.000 You're going to remove my appendix and you're a black lesbian. 1.00

00:42:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:42:27.000 Well, you bring these.

00:42:28.000 Did you have to go through the same?

00:42:30.000 I say this all the time.

00:42:32.000 When I get on an airplane, you know, I want my got my pilot to be like, hi, this is Chad.

00:42:39.000 Maybe like a little bit of a southern actor.

00:42:40.000 Chad that worth yourself.

00:42:42.000 No, Jerry is like my 31,000th hour.

00:42:47.000 I'm kind of bored, honestly.

00:42:48.000 I could do this in my Charles.

00:42:50.000 Exactly.

00:42:52.000 I want just like a cookie cutter.

00:42:54.000 Yeah, this is so, this is so easy to me. 1.00

00:42:57.000 I don't want LaQuetia James, who has like a pilot voice. 0.63

00:43:01.000 And she's just like, hi, ladies and gentlemen, pray for me.

00:43:08.000 And the truth is, it's just, this is a creation that the left wanted.

00:43:12.000 And they think you can't say anything about it because they'll call you a racist.

00:43:16.000 And this is where we really have to take the gloves off and say your name calling will not get in the way of people's safety at 35,000.

00:43:25.000 They're like, it's offensive to call someone a diversity hire.

00:43:28.000 You guys are the ones who legally require diversity hires.

00:43:30.000 You are the ones who say we need to hire people based on skin color. 0.99

00:43:34.000 If we didn't hire people based on skin color, this wouldn't happen because every pilot would be qualified.

00:43:38.000 Jack is chomping at the bit here.

00:43:42.000 We said this on the show today, and I was like, I'm getting in trouble.

00:43:44.000 I was with Mike Davis.

00:43:45.000 I said, fine, I'm going to say it on human events.

00:43:47.000 And I said, Am I supposed to just not notice that Fannie Willis is on the exact same Soros project, Soros prosecutor trajectory as Kim Gardner was in St. Louis?

00:43:58.000 The exact same trajectory.

00:44:01.000 And I'm sorry, but they look almost exactly the same, other than the fact that one had long hair and one had short hair.

00:44:08.000 They have almost the same background.

00:44:10.000 They have this very questionable legal experience.

00:44:13.000 And one of them, if you remember, Kim Gardner had the prosecutor that was like lying to the grand jury.

00:44:19.000 And I don't think there was ever any evidence of a relationship, but something funky was going on there.

00:44:24.000 She's gotten so far out that even the mayor of like the far left liberal mayor of St. Louis was like, you need to resign.

00:44:31.000 Like you need to leave.

00:44:32.000 And this was like, what, last year?

00:44:34.000 And then all of a sudden, Fannie Willis is like, come on, she's not actually using the money for the prosecution for paying your lover off.

00:44:41.000 And to, oh, she is.

00:44:42.000 And they're going on all these trips and stuff.

00:44:44.000 So I'm just like, like, we're not supposed to know.

00:44:46.000 We're not allowed to notice these things.

00:44:48.000 We're not allowed to buy rich leatherbound books by Steve Saylor.

00:44:52.000 We're definitely not allowed to read any of his columns.

00:44:54.000 And we're certainly not going to talk about anything that he's written later on the show today.

00:44:59.000 But it's like, at what point do, and I guess, Charlie, that's to your point, right?

00:45:03.000 It's the point where your life is literally in their hands that you say, all right, I can't do it anymore.

00:45:08.000 Well, so hopefully because the lies that you are forced to hold in your life.

00:45:11.000 19% are already diversity hire.

00:45:13.000 So one out of five flights, you guys are putting your life in your own hands.

00:45:17.000 This United States.

00:45:18.000 Wouldn't it have been great if he just would have pushed back and been like, well, okay, hold on.

00:45:21.000 We're making some headway here.

00:45:23.000 We're trying to, you know, at a young age, want to get them exposed to flying.

00:45:26.000 But half the problem is that it tends to be white young men that want to get into it.

00:45:30.000 Why does it matter?

00:45:30.000 We want excellence.

00:45:31.000 Screw you up.

00:45:32.000 But even just a little pushback would have been a relief to just assume the premise was accurate. 0.97

00:45:37.000 And as if it's like perfectly fine.

00:45:39.000 Like, yes, we need the most diverse flight crew ever because obviously when I, by the way, Rob Schneider has the best.

00:45:46.000 I love Rob Schneider.

00:45:47.000 Can we play that tape, Ryan?

00:45:47.000 We've become friends.

00:45:48.000 We had it for the show.

00:45:49.000 It's so well done.

00:45:50.000 But there's just not an acknowledgement of certain constraining limitations here.

00:45:54.000 And I think that's what's so troubling is in that clip, he doesn't acknowledge that there is structural and cultural reasons for this disparity.

00:46:02.000 And so you're sitting here as like a potential victim in the back of the plane going like, oh my gosh, like he's just going to force this through.

00:46:09.000 And there's, he's not, he doesn't seem to care about the fact that if some people can't fly so good.

00:46:14.000 If Delta wanted to just dominate, they should do an ad and be like, Delta Airlines, excellence is how we hire our pilots and you'll be safe.

00:46:22.000 I'm telling you, they would have 20% more like even though they'd get boycotted.

00:46:28.000 No, look, everything's going to be fine.

00:46:30.000 300 people on.

00:46:31.000 I hope I'm wrong.

00:46:32.000 It's just someone's going to die because we could joke about this all we want.

00:46:36.000 You cannot have it, it's very, very sophisticated.

00:46:40.000 You hire people for sophisticated, high-stakes, immediate call jobs with 50 checklist items, and you do not have competency as the core reason, somebody's going to die.

00:46:52.000 You're in the Soviet Union.

00:46:55.000 Okay, go ahead, Jack.

00:46:55.000 Sorry.

00:46:56.000 Yeah, no, I actually looked this up recently when this whole sort of discourse began.

00:47:01.000 And in the Soviet Union, it was known and it was well known at the time that it was the worst air travel in the entire world because, again, pilots in the Soviet Union, Aeroflot, were chosen for political reasons.

00:47:15.000 Now, it wasn't diversity reasons, but again, it was another political, non-quality, non-qualified reason.

00:47:22.000 So you had to be, you know, you had to be of the right moral character, the right, which of course was, was run through the KTV and run through the party and your family couldn't have any dissidents in it and all of this stuff.

00:47:33.000 And you would get literally hundreds, almost a thousand plane crashes throughout the history of the USSR, like something like 700, like this insane number, all the way up to the point where.

00:47:45.000 And this is why people still to this day ride the train a lot in that part of the world because they're just used to that.

00:47:50.000 They're used to air travel being incredibly dangerous.

00:47:54.000 Up to the point in the 1990s, if anyone remembers this.

00:47:58.000 I don't remember this, but I know about it because Michael Crichton wrote a whole book about this, but it actually took place.

00:48:04.000 His book takes place in the U.S., but this is an incident that actually happened in Russia in the 1990s.

00:48:09.000 So it's a couple of years after the Soviet Union fell, but you still kind of have this pilot corps that's made up of like political apparatchiks and such, where, yeah, the pilot allowed his 15-year-old son and his 13-year-old daughter to take the controls while everyone's asleep on like a long-haul flight.

00:48:30.000 And they accidentally disengaged the autopilot and were flying the plane itself and literally flew the plane into a mountain in Russia and killed everyone on board.

00:48:40.000 And this was like aeroflot, full commercial flight, just completely insane, completely insane.

00:48:47.000 Let's his kids take the controls.

00:48:48.000 And sorry, by the way, I just spoiled the book for anyone who was reading it or wanted to read it.

00:48:53.000 But this stuff has actually happened.

00:48:55.000 And like not that long ago in our history, which by the way, and you know, this is going to happen next because whenever there was a whistleblower anywhere in the Soviet Union who wanted to like come out and actually explain what was going on, you can only imagine what happened to them.

00:49:08.000 And I guarantee that's the exact same thing the federal government will do when it comes to the diversity hire captains on our end.

00:49:14.000 If anyone's at Boeing or at United, that's why they've got to run to, and I implore you, please go to James O'Keefe and get the information out now because people are going to die.

00:49:23.000 We are going to have planes raining, raining down on the United States before this is done.

00:49:31.000 I hope you're wrong.

00:49:32.000 Yeah, that's the truth of it.

00:49:34.000 But can I make two points?

00:49:36.000 Charlie, you've been zeroing in on these issues.

00:49:40.000 And I don't know if you've been doing it on the show as much or on the chat, but you say, that's a red pill issue.

00:49:44.000 Trust me, this is a red pill issue.

00:49:46.000 And what we're really getting at is I talk to a lot of normies.

00:49:48.000 Yeah.

00:49:49.000 What you're really getting at, and see, this is why I've always been like migration, migration, migration, or illegal immigration, whatever you want, because it's something that you feel very viscerally.

00:50:00.000 You walk on your streets and you're like, man, 10 years ago, my street used to have my neighbors on it.

00:50:06.000 And now it doesn't.

00:50:07.000 And there's all these people that don't speak my language.

00:50:10.000 And it's very disorienting.

00:50:13.000 And people will vote that way.

00:50:15.000 We're seeing this upend the Western world, right?

00:50:19.000 Guns are like this because it's very personal.

00:50:21.000 You're trying to take something away that makes people safe.

00:50:25.000 You're talking about the Chilean robbery ring.

00:50:29.000 Because people are like, I don't feel safe in my home.

00:50:29.000 Yes.

00:50:32.000 And we can see from the crime statistics that they're going up.

00:50:35.000 Inflation, it hits personally.

00:50:37.000 And that's why I think this United story and the DEI story hits so hard because we've all been in the back of a plane when the turbulence hits or when you're flying through a storm and you're like, I'm so glad I saw the guy with the right stuff and the square jaw get into the cockpit before we took off.

00:50:54.000 And I feel better now.

00:50:55.000 No, I mean, like, you want to go thought crime?

00:50:57.000 Like, I'm sorry. 0.56

00:50:58.000 If I see a black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified. 1.00

00:51:02.000 Well, that's not. 0.97

00:51:02.000 You wouldn't have done that. 0.97

00:51:03.000 You wouldn't have done that before.

00:51:05.000 That's not an immediate who I am.

00:51:07.000 That's not what I believe.

00:51:09.000 It is the reality the left has.

00:51:10.000 But I hate it.

00:51:11.000 I want to be as blunt as possible because now I'm connecting two dots.

00:51:14.000 Wait a second.

00:51:15.000 The CEO said that he's forcing that a white qualified guy is not going to get the job.

00:51:20.000 So I see this guy.

00:51:21.000 He might be a nice person.

00:51:22.000 I say, boy, I hope he's not a Harvard-style affirmative action student that has points for, and he like he landed half of his flight simulator, you know, trials.

00:51:33.000 That's the thing.

00:51:34.000 It's such a good idea.

00:51:35.000 And by the way, it also creates like unhealthy thinking patterns.

00:51:39.000 I don't want to think that way.

00:51:41.000 And no one should, right?

00:51:42.000 I mean, I, so then I kind of sit down.

00:51:44.000 I'm like, boy, I hope you.

00:51:45.000 But you have to.

00:51:46.000 And by the way, then you couple it with the FAA air traffic control. 0.99

00:51:50.000 They got a bunch of morons and affirmative action people. 0.98

00:51:53.000 Yeah, it's play cut 112. 1.00

00:51:54.000 What is it?

00:51:55.000 Can you, can you give me some context?

00:51:57.000 This is this is a so when you land, there's a dialogue that goes on between the pilot and air traffic control.

00:52:02.000 So you've got this pilot.

00:52:04.000 Is this real?

00:52:04.000 This is real, apparently.

00:52:06.000 And he's he's having a debate.

00:52:08.000 What's going around?

00:52:09.000 Somebody probably leaked it to James O'Keefe, but like he's having a debate with air traffic control and she's trying to tell him how she thinks she should she he should land.

00:52:17.000 And he's saying, Woman, I've been doing this for 15 years.

00:52:21.000 I think I know what I'm doing.

00:52:22.000 And you know that I just googled this.

00:52:24.000 Do you remember when I said this a couple weeks ago?

00:52:25.000 I said, what they're they're hiring a bunch of blacks for no reason at air traffic control for and they're this started in the Obama years. 0.56

00:52:33.000 I know I'm saying though, this has been going on and I've been getting whistleblowers from the FAA for years and people say you're a racist. 0.94

00:52:38.000 You're this.

00:52:39.000 Play cut 112.

00:53:38.000 No.

00:53:39.000 Is this real?

00:53:40.000 Can we?

00:53:41.000 It sounds real.

00:53:42.000 No, I want to.

00:53:43.000 Can we make can I?

00:53:45.000 Where did this come from?

00:53:46.000 Can we get the chirp?

00:53:47.000 I need the chirp.

00:53:48.000 Where's my chirp?

00:53:49.000 This has to be fake.

00:53:50.000 Come on, guys.

00:53:50.000 We got to be quicker on the chirp.

00:53:52.000 Can you find this where this came from, Blake?

00:53:54.000 I want to make sure this is 100% right.

00:53:54.000 I'll look into it.

00:53:56.000 By the way, not by the fact that.

00:53:57.000 I never heard this before.

00:53:58.000 I didn't know that was coming.

00:54:00.000 God.

00:54:02.000 We're all dead. 1.00

00:54:03.000 This is a pilot who's 35,000 feet in the air trying to land a plane full of passengers communicating with some moron who is no better than like, you know, just customer service. 0.99

00:54:14.000 To be honest, though, she sounded a real person. 0.82

00:54:16.000 The woman is Brenda Mooney, and she is apparently an air traffic controller at the small airport of Denton, Texas.

00:54:22.000 So this was a real diary.

00:54:24.000 Apparently, at least they've fingered a real person, and there's a petition with 1,700 signatures to have her removed.

00:54:30.000 Well, look, my money's on the pilot.

00:54:32.000 Okay.

00:54:33.000 I'm going to be honest.

00:54:34.000 I don't know the technical stuff of what they're talking about at all.

00:54:37.000 I have plenty of pilots that I can ask, but I could say this: you know, a lot of people email the show.

00:54:41.000 I have had pilots and air traffic control say, Charlie, you have no idea what's happening in air travel.

00:54:46.000 The woke mind virus is taking over.

00:54:48.000 People are going to die.

00:54:49.000 Planes are going to fall out of the air.

00:54:50.000 Even the New York Times has covered this.

00:54:51.000 They've covered how there's this huge increase in near near misses.

00:54:55.000 Well, because at some point, the New York Times wants to go to the Bahamas.

00:54:58.000 Yeah.

00:54:58.000 And even they are like, I don't know how I'm going to be exempt from this one.

00:55:02.000 Part of it, though, is that there's just simply more air travel, right?

00:55:05.000 And so there used to be a rule in aviation, and I'm out of my depth here, but this was explained to me that you used to have to fly 2,000 feet apart, like on top of each other, right?

00:55:17.000 You had to have 2,000 feet of clearance plane over plane if you were going to come within a certain proximity to one another.

00:55:23.000 At some point, that was deemed to be too much trouble for the aviation industry.

00:55:30.000 And so they lowered the threshold to 1,000 feet of clearance, which just means the planes are flying closer together mid-air, especially as you approach busy airports and things like that, cities.

00:55:43.000 Because remember, it's not just commercial air travel.

00:55:46.000 We've got Cessna's, you got private jets, you got hobby flyers.

00:55:52.000 So it's a complicated, I just want to, I just want to say it's a complicated field, and there's a lot going on on a lot of variables.

00:56:00.000 Wall Street Journal, FedEx, Southwest Planes, come within 100 feet of each other during close call.

00:56:04.000 I mean, this is happening all the time.

00:56:06.000 Remember, it's a complicated field, but it is endlessly messed up.

00:56:11.000 It's not that complicated because we actually came to a place of agreed upon standards and safety.

00:56:18.000 And now we're deciding to destroy that.

00:56:20.000 And to Andrew's point, my working hypothesis, which I think is rather unique to us and me, is that the politics of taking is way more powerful than the politics of even giving.

00:56:31.000 You're taking someone's abortion rights away.

00:56:33.000 You're taking their guns away.

00:56:34.000 You're taking their country away.

00:56:35.000 You're taking kids away.

00:56:37.000 It is immediate.

00:56:38.000 It's personal.

00:56:39.000 You imagine your life without that thing, taking of gas stoves, the taking of your car.

00:56:44.000 And the side that is doing the taking tends to not be as popular.

00:56:47.000 And that's why abortion tends to be not a winning issue for us currently, is it feels as if we're going in and interfering and taking something away from people.

00:56:54.000 Putting that aside, it doesn't, I just, I can't imagine how the Democrats will spin this one.

00:56:54.000 Yeah.

00:57:01.000 And by the way, House Republicans, you want to get a PR win? 0.99

00:57:04.000 Drag the United Airlines CEO. 1.00

00:57:06.000 I mean, just the same way that whatever Harvard, bring this guy up.

00:57:12.000 I forgot about how bad it was with the FAA's cutting the standards.

00:57:16.000 So this was covered with Tucker Carlson back when I was there in 2018.

00:57:19.000 If you guys want, and so part of this was they took a lot of the skill-based stuff and they replaced it with a biographical questionnaire.

00:57:27.000 Do you have the right traits to be a pilot?

00:57:29.000 They love to anytime you're running into affirmative action crap.

00:57:32.000 They do this biographical questionnaire stuff. 0.95

00:57:34.000 That's how they always get away with hiring criminals and stuff.

00:57:36.000 So starting in 2014, the FAA added a biographical questionnaire to the application process for being an air traffic controller.

00:57:43.000 Applicants with a lower aptitude in science got preference over applicants who had scored excellent in science.

00:57:51.000 And applicants who had been unemployed for the previous three years got more points on the quiz than licensed pilots got.

00:58:00.000 They actively were looking for unqualified people to hire them.

00:58:04.000 And they do this.

00:58:05.000 They do this a lot. 1.00

00:58:06.000 Joy Reed has broken into the Thought Term Lab.

00:58:10.000 And it's unreal.

00:58:12.000 And a story I linked this with in my head just now is: did you hear that the moon landing got delayed again?

00:58:20.000 So NASA was supposed to land on the moon in 2025.

00:58:23.000 And I think that was already delay from 2024.

00:58:25.000 Oh, I thought this was like a joke set up.

00:58:26.000 No, no, they're delayed.

00:58:28.000 I actually thought it was 2026.

00:58:30.000 Even though I knew it was in the sex charts, I still because we have that Artemis program, which we need because it's going to send the first woman to the moon.

00:58:36.000 By the way, Elon would never mention that.

00:58:38.000 The first woman on the moon.

00:58:40.000 No, it needs more time to get ready.

00:58:41.000 They're suing Elon because he doesn't have enough refugees.

00:58:44.000 I have an Elon theory after, by the way, Jack and I are both reading the book together.

00:58:48.000 That's nice to go to Mars to get away from diversity mandates. 0.94

00:58:51.000 Wait, Charlie, can I just say, though, I knew that the and it's along these lines.

00:58:56.000 I knew that this mission was not going to work.

00:59:00.000 You know how I know that the moon landing wasn't going to work this latest one they were talking about?

00:59:04.000 Because Elon hadn't talked about it.

00:59:05.000 If I heard it from him, I might say, okay, all right.

00:59:08.000 If he was hyping it, but the fact that he hasn't even mentioned it once is like, okay, yeah, it's not happening.

00:59:08.000 Yeah.

00:59:15.000 So let's get to the next topic here because we're already in an hour.

00:59:18.000 Okay.

00:59:18.000 Oh, yeah.

00:59:19.000 So this was, we've got it.

00:59:21.000 I think we have it.

00:59:22.000 I think I said it to you guys earlier, but if not, I have it on the screen too.

00:59:25.000 So this is an article actually from Steve Saylor, who we've had on the show before.

00:59:29.000 He had a thing in Tackies Magazine where he has a weekly column.

00:59:32.000 I encourage people to read it.

00:59:34.000 And he calls it drowning in data.

00:59:37.000 And one of Steve's big things is he's famous for covering homicide stuff, but he also likes to talk about traffic deaths.

00:59:44.000 And he likes to talk about drowning.

00:59:46.000 And a good number of people are aware there are racial gaps in how often people drown. 0.94

00:59:51.000 Black people, unfortunately, don't know how to swim as often. 0.94

00:59:53.000 They have a higher rate of drowning deaths. 0.99

00:59:56.000 And in fact, it can be pretty bad.

00:59:58.000 If you look at the CDC's own data, drowning deaths per 100,000 people, it's about 1.5 per 100,000 for black Americans.

01:00:07.000 And it's more like 1 per 100,000 for like Hispanics and Asians, for example.

01:00:13.000 And that's, you know, that's many hundreds of people over the course of a year difference.

01:00:18.000 And he just points out one of the ways we used to fight against that was we used to encourage learning how to swim.

01:00:25.000 So for example, American colleges used to have a swim test very frequently in order to graduate.

01:00:30.000 In fact, when I went to Dartmouth, that was a requirement at Dartmouth.

01:00:32.000 You had to pass a swim test when you showed up.

01:00:34.000 And if you did not pass it, you actually had to do it.

01:00:36.000 You got in the pool?

01:00:37.000 Yeah.

01:00:38.000 And there were even stories of people who didn't know how they didn't do it when they matriculated.

01:00:43.000 They put it off because you could take a class, of course.

01:00:45.000 They put it off.

01:00:45.000 And then it comes time to graduation.

01:00:47.000 And they're like, you guys haven't passed the swim test.

01:00:49.000 So they have to go.

01:00:51.000 And I'm pretty sure they got rid of it during COVID.

01:00:54.000 It feels very old Americana, like a really cool vestige of the past.

01:00:58.000 But what's depressing is they're getting rid of this.

01:01:00.000 And the justification is you can probably guess, Charlie, take a wild guess what the justification for getting rid of swim tests for colleges.

01:01:07.000 Racist?

01:01:08.000 It's racist. 1.00

01:01:09.000 It's not okay because black kids don't swim. 1.00

01:01:11.000 They're less likely to know how to swim and this is embarrassing for them. 0.98

01:01:14.000 And what Steve points out is, you know, he's like, as opposed to being anti-racist, I'm anti-drowning.

01:01:20.000 And I think we should not have people drown, even if it's of a certain race and it makes people feel awkward to confront it. 0.89

01:01:27.000 So his other point, though, is that it's actually, he makes a point that it's about black women and their hair and getting wet.

01:01:36.000 Not just that, also that they have a higher obesity rate. 0.75

01:01:39.000 Right.

01:01:40.000 So they don't want to get, they don't want to get in the water.

01:01:42.000 It's distressing, all of this stuff.

01:01:44.000 And so he ends the piece.

01:01:46.000 I got the quote here.

01:01:47.000 Okay, go ahead.

01:01:48.000 My guess is that the chief agitators, and you can just see how Steve would say this. 1.00

01:01:53.000 My guess is that the chief agitators for abolishing college swim requirements are black women who tend to be more overweight than their rivals. 0.98

01:02:07.000 And he says, while many obese black women believe they look fine, the kind who get into Williams, that's a big, you know, little elite school. 1.00

01:02:14.000 Yeah, it is the liberal, they tend to be aware that they don't match elite society's beauty standards while wearing bathing suits. 0.97

01:02:21.000 In turn, though, the chief victims of anti-swimism, as he says, are black men. 0.99

01:02:27.000 They're more likely to drown. 0.99

01:02:29.000 But in this age of Black Lives Matter, who cares about black lives? 1.00

01:02:32.000 Now, I don't know if he's correct about that hypothesis of what's driving it.

01:02:36.000 It's very Steve.

01:02:38.000 It's very Steve to think of that one.

01:02:40.000 And this is the same guy that we should tell the audience, if you're not aware, has done really incredible work highlighting traffic fatalities in post-BLM.

01:02:51.000 You know, how it's actually killing a lot of black drivers because they don't get pulled over anymore because that would be racist and racial targeting.

01:03:00.000 And so it's actually killing a lot of black men. 0.95

01:03:02.000 And this is sort of a similar vein where it's like, well, racism is now killing more black people. 0.99

01:03:07.000 Do Sailor has the radical point of view that fewer black people should drown, fewer black people should die in cubarets, fewer black people should be run over, and fewer black people should be murdered. 0.99

01:03:16.000 And for that, he's considered super racist. 1.00

01:03:18.000 Again, this.

01:03:19.000 So I go ahead.

01:03:20.000 Go ahead, Jack.

01:03:21.000 No, I was just going to say, you know, I do have some lived experience with this.

01:03:26.000 You know, so I was in the Navy, which means I went through a Navy boot camp.

01:03:30.000 And when you go through a Navy boot camp, you, and a lot of people, I guess, didn't know this, or at least I found out didn't know this, that when you join the Navy, it is a requirement that you know how to swim so that if you fall off the boat, that hopefully there will be some chance of recovering you.

01:03:48.000 This, you know, I don't want to make light of that because apparently we actually lost two Navy SEALs earlier this week in a situation like this.

01:03:56.000 Now, obviously, we're a Navy SEAL.

01:03:59.000 Probably more than just falling happens, and you've got a lot of equipment with you and such.

01:04:02.000 And so I certainly hope that their remains are recovered off the coast of Yemen, I believe is where it was, the Babel Mandeb area.

01:04:11.000 But the situation being that when, so here's how it works: you take the test and you jump off of, it's like a 15-foot-high diving board.

01:04:20.000 You jump in the pool.

01:04:21.000 I think you swim like 500 meters.

01:04:23.000 It's an L-shape, you know, as you have to do a turn, and then you're allowed to do one of three different strokes as you swim: breaststroke, the combat side stroke, or basically like the frog stroke.

01:04:34.000 So, you know, it's pretty simple.

01:04:36.000 And, you know, most people don't have a problem with it.

01:04:38.000 Then you have to show that you can float prone for five minutes without touching the sides.

01:04:42.000 And then you also have to show that you can, or the bottom, and then you have to show that you can use your coveralls as a flotation device.

01:04:48.000 And it's, you know, most people pass it on the first go around.

01:04:52.000 But if you have not passed it on your first go-around, you then have to go every single day, twice a day, until you pass the test.

01:05:02.000 And I will just say that after like the first couple iterations of that, you know, most of the people, most of the people who were showing up for the remedial swim class in Navy boot camp, let's just say they shared similar characteristics, right?

01:05:20.000 It was mostly black guys.

01:05:22.000 And I remember the point is, Jack, it's not racist.

01:05:26.000 It's a cultural thing.

01:05:27.000 And they get to go to the Navy and they get to learn how to swim.

01:05:30.000 It actually might be biological too.

01:05:32.000 They have lower body fat percentage on that.

01:05:33.000 Yeah, but come on.

01:05:35.000 Jack, tell me the story ends with the black dudes learning how to swim, even though they didn't grow up in communities, homes that took them to swim class when they were four.

01:05:45.000 Well, generally.

01:05:46.000 And generally, people would try to help them, you know, or you get washed out, right?

01:05:51.000 And so I remember if, you know, which is, which is, you know, I think it's going to be funny.

01:05:56.000 It's like, oh, yeah, all right, Jack Pesobic was trying to help like his black shipmates, you know, learn how to swim or whatever.

01:06:03.000 Jack Pesovic pictured teaching black men to swim.

01:06:06.000 I mean, it's.

01:06:06.000 Yeah.

01:06:07.000 Well, no, I just have this line.

01:06:08.000 I was like, I was like, it's, I was like, guys, all right, it's all psychological.

01:06:11.000 It really is all psychological, by the way.

01:06:13.000 And what I would say is, all right, if your body is 75% water, that means you only have to worry about floating 25%.

01:06:20.000 You guys can do 25% of effort.

01:06:22.000 It's not that hard.

01:06:24.000 And it just struck me as so wild that, you know, even after so many days, there are a lot of people that couldn't get it.

01:06:30.000 But I will say, like, I have definitely 100% seen this with my own eyes.

01:06:36.000 It's not something that was not known.

01:06:38.000 But unfortunately, we're now being told that we have to lower our standards in order to help with this.

01:06:43.000 And then, more importantly, which is even crazier, I was just looking this up in show prep today for this.

01:06:49.000 The U.S. Navy United States Naval Institute up in Rhode Island is now calling for the Coast Guard to lower their swim test because they're saying the Coast Guard isn't diverse enough because their swim test is much more involved than the one that I just said.

01:07:04.000 And I said, well, wait a minute, shouldn't the Coast Guards be more involved?

01:07:07.000 Their job is literally to save people who are in distress at sea.

01:07:12.000 That's the point of the Coast Guard.

01:07:14.000 So they want to take those people.

01:07:16.000 And then, and I quote tweeted Steve Saylor for saying this, and it's going quite viral, is to take the people whose job.

01:07:22.000 Imagine, right?

01:07:23.000 Imagine you're, you know, your son, James O'Keeffe, who mentioned him again.

01:07:27.000 You know, he's a guy who enjoys sailboating.

01:07:30.000 Imagine something happens, you get caught up in a storm squall, whatever, and you need Coast Guard assistance.

01:07:35.000 And then now imagine you got someone coming that barely even knows how to swim or pass the checkbox, and you're all dead, including the people trying to save you, by the way.

01:07:45.000 Well, this is where we need humor to come back because I grew up in an America where black people joked about themselves not knowing how to swim. 0.60

01:07:53.000 And it was just kind of like culturally baked into the cake, and they all knew it was hilarious.

01:07:59.000 They say, Yeah, and you whale don't know how to dance.

01:08:01.000 I'm spacing on the name, but there was a there was an NFL player, or at least a draftie in the 80s who drowned while trying to save some kids who were drowning themselves.

01:08:10.000 He himself did not know how to swim, but he saw some children drowning and tried to save them.

01:08:15.000 And he died.

01:08:15.000 And he was like a national hero for this.

01:08:16.000 It was a big story.

01:08:18.000 But wouldn't the solution just be teach them how to swim?

01:08:20.000 Well, that's the thing.

01:08:21.000 But this is a healthy mindset.

01:08:22.000 Anyone can learn.

01:08:23.000 Listen, this is sort of a growth mindset versus that's racist mindset.

01:08:27.000 Like the best way you can close the gap is figure out how to do it.

01:08:30.000 Just imagine if we had a national thing.

01:08:32.000 Everyone should know how to swim in America.

01:08:33.000 Everybody, okay, in this group, who grew up with their parents taking them to swim class?

01:08:40.000 Yeah, I went to swim lessons.

01:08:40.000 By the way, you know why my parents told me?

01:08:42.000 They said, I never want you to be afraid on a boat or near water.

01:08:45.000 And I'm not.

01:08:46.000 But in black culture, that is not as the percentage is lower.

01:08:51.000 I don't know what the percentage is of how many black fans.

01:08:53.000 It's like how many black families. 1.00

01:08:53.000 Maybe look it up. 1.00

01:08:55.000 Of course, it's, I think it's in the article.

01:08:57.000 It's de-emphasized.

01:08:58.000 Yeah.

01:08:58.000 It's just culturally de-emphasized.

01:09:00.000 That's not because of racism, though.

01:09:01.000 No, it's culturally de-emphasized.

01:09:02.000 And unfortunately, though, unfortunately, and this is mentioned in the article as well, that black children dying in like motel or hotel pools because they see the pool and they want to get in and they want to have fun.

01:09:16.000 Unfortunately, it's at a much higher rate than white kids or Hispanic kids.

01:09:20.000 And of course, you know, here we are in Throught Car where it's like, oh, it's like, oh, ha ha, we're going to laugh.

01:09:24.000 It's like, no, actually, we're not laughing.

01:09:26.000 We're saying this is obviously a problem in the United States that we would like to see fixed.

01:09:32.000 Same as the homicide problem, same as the car, you know, the traffic fatality problem.

01:09:37.000 Again, we want to live in a world where these things aren't happening, but we have to actually be able to talk about them first before we can deal with that.

01:09:46.000 I just wanted to say the name of the player is Joe Delaney.

01:09:50.000 So he got a presidential citizenship.

01:09:53.000 I mean, let's just be honest: 75% of blacks don't have a dad around, and learning to swim is largely the dad's deal. 0.96

01:09:59.000 Oh, my mom took me about that.

01:10:02.000 I do.

01:10:03.000 Right, Jack, do you agree?

01:10:05.000 Yeah, my dad would strap my floaties on and then throw me in, just throw me in the above-ground pool at my nanny.

01:10:11.000 I was going to say, dads take the kids.

01:10:13.000 Yeah, dads take the kids on the adventure.

01:10:15.000 My experience is it's sort of, it's one of those like parenting things, you know, mom shovels.

01:10:20.000 No, that's different, though.

01:10:21.000 But the instructors, at least from my experience, were largely male.

01:10:24.000 It's more hands-on.

01:10:25.000 It's more, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.

01:10:26.000 So yeah, I had the exact opposite experience.

01:10:28.000 That's the only reason why I'm kind of going like, my mom took me to swimming class while my dad was at work or whatever.

01:10:33.000 And then, but I will tell you, I went on like more water adventures with my dad where I actually had to put it into practice, where I got comfortable in the water.

01:10:40.000 So lakes and things like that, fishing.

01:10:43.000 So, yeah.

01:10:44.000 This is another reason to be sad.

01:10:46.000 The Boy Scouts are terrible now because swimming's huge.

01:10:48.000 Oh, don't get Charlie started on it.

01:10:50.000 Don't get it.

01:10:50.000 I'm an Eagle Scout.

01:10:51.000 Don't get Charlie.

01:10:51.000 Same here.

01:10:52.000 And it's really heartbreaking.

01:10:53.000 What's the other one, Charlie?

01:10:55.000 What's the replacement organization?

01:10:57.000 Trail Life.

01:10:58.000 Yeah, Trail Life.

01:10:58.000 Thank you.

01:10:59.000 I just read their, they just did a partnership with Brave Books, actually.

01:11:03.000 Oh, did they?

01:11:04.000 That's good, yeah.

01:11:05.000 Yeah, we just read it the other day, but of course, me, I can't remember on the top of my head.

01:11:08.000 Yeah, trail life.

01:11:09.000 Um, so I want to do a little audible, guys, here, if that's okay, because I'm just kind of reading this and I was just kind of you know, people were sending me stuff.

01:11:17.000 Uh, I want to talk about Noble Gold, but Jack, I think that'd be a fun last segment because you and I were involved in this.

01:11:21.000 What do you think?

01:11:22.000 Is kind of an audible at the end because it's this week, just replying to all the MLK incoming that you and I got.

01:11:29.000 Oh, yeah, sure.

01:11:30.000 I, I, I think, I think it'd be really great.

01:11:32.000 So let's do the Noble Gold, yeah, let's do Noble Gold.

01:11:34.000 They do pay for it, yes, they do.

01:11:35.000 Noble Gold Investments is amazing.

01:11:36.000 I have here a piece of silver.

01:11:38.000 Uh, they want to see it.

01:11:40.000 Let me, let me, it's heavy, man.

01:11:41.000 I'm telling you.

01:11:42.000 It's well, it's not that Blake thinks he benches 250 or something.

01:11:42.000 I know.

01:11:47.000 He does brag about his bench an awful lot.

01:11:51.000 This is really heavy.

01:11:53.000 I'm telling you that, man.

01:11:55.000 It's like shockingly.

01:11:56.000 Turn that camera on in the gym.

01:11:59.000 I'm telling you, I want Colin at Noble Gold to know that I'm holding it.

01:12:04.000 It's big.

01:12:05.000 Do you know the human head weighs eight pounds?

01:12:06.000 I have no idea how much this weighs.

01:12:08.000 NobleGoldInvestments.com promo code Charlie.

01:12:11.000 It's a thousand grams.

01:12:12.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:12:13.000 It's $1,000 basically.

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01:12:16.000 That's from Turkey, by the way.

01:12:18.000 Noble Gold Investments.

01:12:19.000 No, it says that.

01:12:19.000 It says it on the back.

01:12:20.000 Can I take the rapper?

01:12:21.000 I like the rapper.

01:12:21.000 Another wrapper.

01:12:22.000 I don't want my fingerprints on the actual silver.

01:12:24.000 No, no, no, no.

01:12:25.000 Come on, wrapper.

01:12:25.000 I want that.

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01:12:29.000 That's mine.

01:12:30.000 Colin gave that to me.

01:12:31.000 Not anymore.

01:12:32.000 Okay.

01:12:35.000 He just stole my silver.

01:12:37.000 This is our prophecy.

01:12:38.000 Kirk show.

01:12:39.000 Okay.

01:12:39.000 I just ripped it.

01:12:40.000 And it's real about it.

01:12:40.000 What I love about it, it's not like we have a fake silver thing.

01:12:42.000 This is very, very real.

01:12:43.000 It's really cool.

01:12:44.000 I could tell you about it.

01:12:45.000 Listen, next year we're going to angle for the actual gold bar.

01:12:48.000 That's when you know we've made it.

01:12:49.000 That's when we've made it.

01:12:51.000 Colin, if you're listening, Chilean thieves are going to show up. 1.00

01:12:54.000 Oh my gosh. 0.86

01:12:55.000 Yeah.

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01:13:08.000 That's right.

01:13:08.000 Do not take off the wrapper.

01:13:09.000 It protects from targets.

01:13:10.000 Now you got to tape it.

01:13:11.000 See?

01:13:11.000 I got to tape it.

01:13:12.000 Andrew is peeling back the wrap.

01:13:14.000 All right.

01:13:14.000 Thanks, Ryan, for throwing me under the bus.

01:13:15.000 He's doing a great job.

01:13:16.000 All right.

01:13:17.000 I want to just do a little bit on the because I think this is the last week we could do this because next week it won't be there, but I could go through one after the other of just these people that I actually know that refuse not to text or email or call, but they write these incredibly, dare I say, sanctimonious, snobbish op-eds.

01:13:34.000 From a totally emotional standpoint.

01:13:36.000 And I just want everyone, this is what's so cool: is that I had somebody tell you there was one guy, his name rhymes with Saurab Amari.

01:13:43.000 Yeah, I even forgot about him.

01:13:44.000 What an awful piece.

01:13:45.000 It was barely legible.

01:13:47.000 I mean, it's like, and I texted him that.

01:13:50.000 I said, you, what is this?

01:13:53.000 You were on the text, by the way.

01:13:54.000 I, there, so disheartened.

01:13:57.000 I'm glad you brought that up and reminded me because it was one piece that I like.

01:14:00.000 Wait, wait, wait, Charlie.

01:14:01.000 You haven't explained what they're talking about.

01:14:02.000 You have to explain what we're talking about.

01:14:03.000 He's intellectually so shallow.

01:14:05.000 Okay, but Saurabh has.

01:14:07.000 We like him on one issue.

01:14:08.000 Well, he was great against David French.

01:14:10.000 Well, he's not great anymore.

01:14:11.000 Well, okay.

01:14:12.000 But it was a great listening.

01:14:13.000 And I want to admit it in his textbook.

01:14:15.000 Wait, wait, wait, guys, guys.

01:14:16.000 We haven't explained what exactly.

01:14:17.000 What are we explaining?

01:14:18.000 What are we explaining?

01:14:19.000 People can't, guys.

01:14:20.000 People can't understand.

01:14:21.000 People can't understand the conversation if you don't say we're talking about MLK.

01:14:24.000 MLK.

01:14:25.000 This is about the MLK.

01:14:26.000 Well, maybe we didn't.

01:14:27.000 I don't know.

01:14:28.000 So Charlie took on MLK, but this was what was funny about it.

01:14:31.000 Charlie, you brought it up in a passing comment.

01:14:33.000 Wired somehow got the clip and was like, Charlie's going.

01:14:36.000 You said it at Amfest 2 at a breakout.

01:14:39.000 And we posted to our podcast feed, which is fine.

01:14:41.000 I mean, I owned it.

01:14:42.000 Yeah.

01:14:42.000 So, and then, so then we were like, oh, we really should go hard on it.

01:14:45.000 Honestly, we probably wouldn't have gone so hard on it.

01:14:48.000 Jack, you were extremely supportive, I will say.

01:14:52.000 Not even just during Martin Luther King Day, but like before you caught the vision.

01:14:57.000 And Charlie, to your credit, you said, listen, I grew up, you know, sort of like everybody else, thinking MLK could do no wrong.

01:15:06.000 Then we found out more and we changed our mind because, and by the way, you didn't major on this on MLK Day.

01:15:13.000 I'm telling you my personal visceral reaction reading some of the FBI accounts of this man.

01:15:20.000 When we say he was a serial adulterer, that does not do justice to just how disgusting he was, according to the FBI. 0.95

01:15:29.000 Orgies. 0.95

01:15:30.000 We're talking orgies, running train on parishioner women that, and I think you could say that.

01:15:36.000 Can you say that?

01:15:36.000 That's what that's what Vince Ellison said.

01:15:39.000 So I'm just quoting him.

01:15:40.000 By the way, he was brilliant.

01:15:41.000 And by the way, the media ignored him.

01:15:42.000 Do you know? 0.98

01:15:44.000 Because he's a black man.

01:15:44.000 Not a single piece attacking me mentioned Vince Ellison.

01:15:47.000 No.

01:15:48.000 And Vince called him a false prophet.

01:15:50.000 He said, look at the fruit of his movement. 0.99

01:15:52.000 The black community is worse off. 1.00

01:15:54.000 But I'm telling you, what's the author's name? 0.98

01:15:57.000 Gallo or Garrow.

01:15:58.000 Garrow.

01:15:59.000 Yeah, he's an MLK scholar.

01:16:01.000 What a Pulitzer.

01:16:02.000 Yeah.

01:16:04.000 He basically says there's no reason to doubt the FBI's telling of events because there was no precedent at the time for these hidden files to be released to the public.

01:16:14.000 So this was pre-church committee.

01:16:16.000 And they're basically, and you could tell they got a dot.

01:16:19.000 They were like a dog with a bone. 0.97

01:16:20.000 They saw what a degenerate he was. 0.52

01:16:23.000 He even distinguishes it from some of the communist stuff on King, which we went into.

01:16:27.000 A lot of his friends were associated with communists.

01:16:29.000 But he's written stuff where he says there's no reason to believe MLK himself was a communist, maybe friendly with them, maybe too close to them.

01:16:36.000 That's a directly.

01:16:38.000 But not himself a communist.

01:16:40.000 And then he distinguishes that from the adultery stuff where he says, and he also says a lot of the communist stuff on King is secondhand, thirdhand.

01:16:48.000 Someone's like, I knew him and he seems sympathetic.

01:16:50.000 And then with the adultery stuff, it's all these FBI guys saying, yeah, we bugged his phone, which they did do.

01:16:56.000 And it's just, it's crazy.

01:16:58.000 And then Hoover, who, you know, he has some issues.

01:17:03.000 Historically, we could get into that.

01:17:04.000 But you could tell it was like it captured his imagination.

01:17:08.000 So he's like, bug that place and bug that place.

01:17:10.000 So every hotel he's going to, they're bugging and getting ahead of him in advance.

01:17:14.000 And they are like, whoa, he just has another woman here and he's got another woman here.

01:17:20.000 And he's so flagrant about it.

01:17:22.000 And so, what is the word he used, Garrett?

01:17:24.000 He said body.

01:17:25.000 He had this body sense of humor. 0.99

01:17:27.000 He was like this sick, maniacal, joking disposition toward these women that he used and abused and threw out. 0.99

01:17:34.000 He was a pastor. 0.99

01:17:35.000 Pastor.

01:17:36.000 There is an allegation in one of, I can't have it in front of me.

01:17:40.000 It was one of the articles I read while researching this.

01:17:42.000 But apparently they got a phone call where Coretta Scott King, his wife, is complaining, you don't spend enough time at home.

01:17:50.000 And he apparently replies by saying, yeah, you should just, you should have a guy on the side.

01:17:54.000 Yeah, go get some, go have some affairs.

01:17:56.000 Yeah.

01:17:57.000 And this is, this is the part that is just so crazy to me.

01:18:01.000 How you cannot see this people.

01:18:05.000 You do not live a private life like this and have it not affect what you believe and your value set and the way that you approach the world.

01:18:14.000 You cannot look at this man the same way once you know this about him.

01:18:18.000 Well, and so also he has a higher approval rating than Jesus.

01:18:21.000 Yes.

01:18:22.000 And he called himself a reverend.

01:18:24.000 So 96% approval ratings.

01:18:26.000 He was at 90.

01:18:27.000 And there's so much more here, but I just want to kind of just read some of this here.

01:18:30.000 And one of my favorite, I mean, I just, I chuckle at this.

01:18:33.000 This guy, Armstrong Williams, who I like and he's a friend.

01:18:35.000 He could have called me or emailed me, but he's afraid to call me or email me because he know I wouldn't put up with it.

01:18:40.000 So instead he just writes the article and then hides behind it.

01:18:42.000 Quote, Kirk's assault on Dr. King is as farcal.

01:18:45.000 Is that how you say it?

01:18:45.000 Farcastic.

01:18:46.000 Farcical.

01:18:46.000 Yeah.

01:18:47.000 Not a word I use.

01:18:48.000 As would a middle school student's critique of Albert Einstein's theories, as ludicrous as Pontius Pilate's declaiming against Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.

01:18:58.000 Oh, so questioning MLK is challenging the laws of physics and Jesus Christ.

01:19:04.000 What's great is it just, it actually supports what we said, which is he's become a Christ-like figure in America.

01:19:10.000 We picked up the fight.

01:19:11.000 It's so funny.

01:19:12.000 It's like people say, oh, no, he's not a Christ-like figure.

01:19:14.000 By the way, going after him, you might as well attack Jesus.

01:19:17.000 Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, which is it?

01:19:18.000 And mind you, not a single one of these articles by this other guy I've never heard of, Delano Squires.

01:19:23.000 The Blaze attacked me.

01:19:24.000 I don't know why the Blaze is attacking me.

01:19:26.000 Would love an explanation for that, why they're writing articles against us.

01:19:30.000 You know, anyway, it really picks me off.

01:19:32.000 It gets so, yeah, he writes this, Martin Luther King versus Charlie Kirk and the irreverent right.

01:19:37.000 And this is my, he says, quote, conservatives claim that the history of slavery in America should not be judged by today's moral standards. 1.00

01:19:44.000 This is, this guy's such a moron. 1.00

01:19:46.000 This is a dumb argument. 1.00

01:19:47.000 This is really dumb. 0.99

01:19:47.000 Yet they blame Dr. King, quote, for ideas they find objectionable today, more than 50 years after he was assassinated. 0.99

01:19:53.000 Wait a second.

01:19:53.000 No, running train on congregants was wrong 50 years ago, pal.

01:19:57.000 This is what we point out. 0.91

01:19:57.000 And raping women was wrong 50 years ago. 0.91

01:20:00.000 We point out that at the time, he actually was more than an inspiration. 0.93

01:20:06.000 And his popularity was going down.

01:20:08.000 He wasn't popular.

01:20:09.000 And then the best argument that I hope people understand.

01:20:12.000 And then, okay, so I dialogue with people I respect who disagree.

01:20:15.000 They say, no, no, the myth of MLK must live on.

01:20:17.000 Oh, okay.

01:20:17.000 So acknowledge it's a myth.

01:20:18.000 That's fine.

01:20:19.000 It's a helpful myth.

01:20:19.000 It's the best myth.

01:20:20.000 That's fine.

01:20:20.000 But the people that like defend this bitterly, I just want to make this final point, which is, hold on a second.

01:20:25.000 You do realize as he got the Civil Rights Act passed and the Voting Rights Act passed and the Great Society, he got angrier and demanded more money from white people.

01:20:34.000 He was like revolutionary by the time.

01:20:36.000 Oh, yeah.

01:20:36.000 Let me read some of these quotes.

01:20:38.000 I was just texting this.

01:20:39.000 Let me just read some of this because I think it's important.

01:20:41.000 He said, white Americans, this is near the end of his life, must recognize that justice for black people cannot be achieved without radical changes in the structure of our society.

01:20:52.000 That's how a race Marxist talks.

01:20:54.000 That is how Tahanisi Coates or Ibra Max Kendi or Kimberly Crenshaw talks.

01:21:00.000 Jack, we both tweeted about this.

01:21:02.000 Talk about it.

01:21:04.000 Look, you know, and it's, and we've talked about the personal failings here, and this is huge, right?

01:21:10.000 And I know that Matt Walsh wrote a piece about this as well and said, you know, if we're going to talk about, you know, Thomas Jefferson and Washington holding slaves, then we can talk about the personal failings of others.

01:21:20.000 But I think it's different because Thomas Jefferson and George Washington have a legacy, which is called the United States of America and our constitutional republic.

01:21:31.000 And, you know, obviously we're trying to fix that.

01:21:34.000 And Charlie, you had a fantastic interview with Curtis Garvin all about that this week.

01:21:37.000 But they have a legacy that you can point to.

01:21:40.000 Whereas it's really the legacy of Martin Luther King that we're also questioning.

01:21:45.000 Okay.

01:21:46.000 Rather than just the personal life, we're also questioning the public life.

01:21:49.000 And we're saying, did it make sense for him to not fully condemn the rioting that was going on during the time?

01:21:56.000 Did it make sense for him to push for these bills that radically changed our government?

01:22:01.000 Interestingly enough, the Libertarian Party came out in like full support of everything that we were saying.

01:22:07.000 They talked about the Civil Rights Act.

01:22:08.000 They talked about how the Voting Rights Act completely is just completely racist in the way it deals with districting and the way it gerrymanders.

01:22:15.000 It requires districts to be gerrymandered along racial lines.

01:22:20.000 Talked about how the Civil Rights Act essentially enshrined race consciousness in federal policy.

01:22:26.000 And there's many, many more examples of this.

01:22:28.000 And so the question is, you know, are we questioning Martin Luther King's status as an American myth?

01:22:34.000 Or are we questioning whether or not the legacy of Martin Luther King, which we live under now today, is something that we still want to live under?

01:22:44.000 Because if we're actually fighting this stuff, we've got to fight it at its root.

01:22:46.000 Frederick Douglass, Ben Carson, Thomas Soule, and Justice Clarence Thomas are far better black role models to celebrate than Martin Luther King.

01:22:56.000 Period.

01:22:56.000 End of story.

01:22:57.000 But I don't want to get too deep into this.

01:22:58.000 Take it.

01:22:59.000 Listen to the episode.

01:23:00.000 But Blake, you were part of this.

01:23:01.000 Kind of, what's your reaction on this whole week?

01:23:02.000 This has been interesting.

01:23:03.000 I definitely agree with Jack.

01:23:05.000 The reason I think you would have a point.

01:23:06.000 Like, why are you just going after this long dead martyr if that was kind of the only thing it is?

01:23:11.000 But he is a lynchman.

01:23:13.000 He's a key figure of a narrative that kind of dictates the way America is today in a lot of ways that all conservatives find objectionable.

01:23:23.000 We're always like, why does political correctness rule everything?

01:23:26.000 Why does everything seem race-obsessed?

01:23:29.000 Why is the government kind of trying to socially engineer everything in all these ways?

01:23:34.000 And it all goes back to the 60s.

01:23:36.000 Well, why can't we change any of the laws in the 60s?

01:23:38.000 Because they aren't normal laws.

01:23:40.000 They've become this sort of sacred scripture.

01:23:43.000 They've become the testament of a national martyr and hero that we've made a holiday out of.

01:23:49.000 It's just untouchable.

01:23:50.000 And so this is especially what I think has to be brought up when we talk to conservatives about this who complain and they're just like, how can you do this?

01:23:58.000 This is not productive.

01:23:59.000 Well, as we said on Monday, if you want to change this, this actually is something that you're going to have to confront because to make the necessary changes, you have to get over the hump of, well, we have these laws from the 60s that make it impossible to do otherwise.

01:24:14.000 And what's funny to me is we actually were able to get over it with the Voting Rights Act a few years ago.

01:24:19.000 Like in the early 2010s, we were getting serious Republican legal challenges to parts of the Voting Rights Act that made it essentially impossible to do certain forms of election integrity.

01:24:30.000 We just said, hey, this is a massive restriction on states' rights.

01:24:35.000 One of the big ones was the Voting Rights Act had components of it where you just huge chunks of America, specific counties and entire states, we singled them out and we just said, you're not allowed to make your own election laws unless the Department of Justice clears it.

01:24:48.000 And so you'd get these things where the Department of Justice would just say, oh, yeah, you can't have nonpartisan elections because it would hurt Democrats.

01:24:55.000 Sorry, you can't do it.

01:24:57.000 And so they sued and said, okay, at a minimum, it has to be possible to get off this list.

01:25:01.000 And the Supreme Court ruled that way.

01:25:02.000 And that was a challenge to the Voting Rights Act.

01:25:05.000 And then you had to campaign against the Voting Rights Act.

01:25:08.000 And that's kind of the bigger picture of this: if you want to have strength as conservatives, you have to have an internal moral locus of control where you can go against something and be like, but this is called the, you know, Good Things and Happy Children and Puppies Act.

01:25:23.000 You don't oppose the Good Things and Happy Children and Puppies Act.

01:25:25.000 And we're like, yeah, we do, because that law is bad.

01:25:28.000 And that's kind of what you have to learn to be able to do with the Civil Rights Act.

01:25:31.000 You can say civil rights are good.

01:25:32.000 You can say equality is good.

01:25:34.000 Non-discrimination is good.

01:25:35.000 But the Civil Rights Act is a specific law with specific effects.

01:25:40.000 Many of them are harmful.

01:25:42.000 And we kind of have to train conservatives to think that way.

01:25:44.000 And it might be that this is a way we have to do it.

01:25:47.000 I will say, outside of eight to 10 strongly worded op-eds and 100 to 200 tweets of the intelligentsia, the rank and file have been overwhelmingly supportive.

01:25:59.000 And that's really, really promising about this week.

01:26:01.000 I'm talking about very few negative emails, in fact, overwhelmingly positive, very few negative text messages.

01:26:08.000 And it kind of goes to show that sometimes the intelligentsia, they're not in touch with what the people actually want.

01:26:13.000 They desire truth.

01:26:14.000 Running out of time.

01:26:15.000 Final thoughts, Jack?

01:26:17.000 Look, there are times when you need to push the Overton window.

01:26:22.000 Okay.

01:26:22.000 There are times.

01:26:23.000 And I think this is, I don't think it should be done for fun.

01:26:27.000 I don't think it should be done lightly.

01:26:28.000 I don't think it should be done without purpose.

01:26:31.000 And I think in this situation, we actually have found and struck all three of those.

01:26:37.000 It is not being done lightly.

01:26:38.000 It is being done for a purpose and is not just being done for fun.

01:26:42.000 In fact, I wouldn't say this was very fun, actually, in terms of all the things that we've got into, but it actually does serve this purpose because if we are going to get to, and Blake and I talked about this on our episode that kind of kicked all this off, that we do want to get to this ideal of a colorblind society, but you're never going to do that with the weight of the 60s hung around our necks like an albatross.

01:27:09.000 All right, guys.

01:27:10.000 We are out of time.

01:27:10.000 Keep committing thought crimes.

01:27:12.000 Email us freedom at charliekirk.com thought crime.

01:27:14.000 The whole existence is a big thought crime.

01:27:16.000 These are our thought criminals.

01:27:17.000 That's right.

01:27:19.000 God bless you.

01:27:20.000 Steve Sayer, shout out to the sit at the front of the bus or the back of the bus.

01:27:24.000 The bus driver should be hired purely on merit.

01:27:27.000 Jack, what did you say?

01:27:29.000 I said, oh, I said, shout out to Steve Saylor, the grandfather of thought crime.

01:27:33.000 It's no joke.

01:27:34.000 God bless you guys.

01:27:35.000 See you next week.

01:27:38.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:27:40.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:27:43.000 Thanks so much for listening.

01:27:44.000 God bless.

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