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00:01:52.000I'd just like to, I'm just really excited that producer Andrew was able to slip over the border after that swimming incident he had on the Rio Grande.
00:02:01.000It's like, where's he going with this?
00:03:13.000And, you know, you come on right before me.
00:03:14.000So everyone was sort of having this conversation.
00:03:16.000It bled over into our shows as these things do on social media and just sort of in the information space.
00:03:23.000And the question, of course, becomes what to do with the people who say they want to unite the party now that they realize that they were on the losing end of the primary.
00:03:34.000And, you know, the question is, I think it's multifaceted.
00:03:38.000And I had Raheem on and we had some great questions and some great reparte about this.
00:03:42.000And, you know, we've all been through a few election cycles at this point.
00:03:45.000So it's not like this is the first time we've been we've encountered this question.
00:04:00.000Some seats are in the back by the bathrooms.
00:04:02.000And yes, I was obviously playing off of the MLK stuff from earlier in this week.
00:04:06.000And then I said, you know, but there are some peoples who don't get on the bus because, you know, I should say, by the way, there's also strap hangers, you know, for the people who are standing on the bus.
00:04:28.000Snakes are not allowed on the bus because there will be no snakes on the bus.
00:04:32.000And I think that's pretty much where I come down on this.
00:04:35.000You yourself said on the show that, you know, there's circles to this: inner circle, outer circle, far outer circle.
00:04:43.000And then, and then the one thing, though, that I would like to address, and I was on Sean Spicer's show yesterday, we had the same conversation.
00:04:49.000And maybe if I wasn't completely clear about this, I'm not talking about the voters.
00:06:24.000And yet, Jeremy Redfern posted a tweet today from, again, he's being paid by, I don't know, I don't think he was off today.
00:06:30.000So it looked like he was on the clock being paid by the taxpayers of Florida saying that Donald Trump was missing from the campaign trail.
00:06:36.000And not only was he missing, but the fact that he was in his basement.
00:06:41.000Yeah, there's a major news cycle over the past 24 hours that Donald Trump asked to be let out of court today so that he could attend the funeral for his mother-in-law, for his wife's mother who died, his son's grandmother, okay, Amalia Kavas.
00:06:59.000And this was a situation where these same people, these very same people, maybe not Jeremy directly, but the dissatisfact camp had been attacking Melania Trump because she didn't appear at any of the holiday parties for Mar-a-Lago over the holidays, whether it be Christmas, whether it be New Year.
00:07:15.000She was conspicuously absent from Christmas photos and things.
00:07:18.000And they were attacking her as missing and saying that she was on the outs.
00:07:22.000And this is something Brian Selter had done as a conspiracy theory during the administration at one point as well.
00:07:26.000Well, it turns out that instead of just asking around, I mean, they're in Florida.
00:07:29.000It wouldn't be that hard to figure out if you had like actual sources.
00:07:33.000She was attending her mother while she was on her deathbed.
00:07:37.000And so, you know, when I say no snakes on the bus, I'm thinking of people like this specifically.
00:07:44.000You're not just on the back of the bus.
00:07:46.000We're throwing you out the back door of the back of the bus.
00:07:49.000And people like Jamie Dimon, when they want to suddenly run around up there, blapping his gums at Davos, at the World Economic Forum on CNBC, wearing his Ukrainian lapel pin, Ukrainian flag lapel pin, suddenly, suddenly, this guy who, yes, was did pay $75 million to Jeffrey Epstein's victims because JP Morgan, which he's the chairman of, was the banker for Epstein's money.
00:08:14.000You know, he's suddenly talking about how important it is that he loves MAGA and Trump's great guy, and we shouldn't insult Trump voters.
00:08:20.000And it's like, okay, I can see what's going on here.
00:08:30.000Well, I think, Jack, where this is coming from, people have to understand where this comes from in the context of everybody, at least at this table.
00:08:38.000We've been through this in 2016, 2020.
00:08:42.000And I think universally there's a love, especially much, and I don't mean to talk for you, Charlie, but massive influencers within the MAGA movement, Jack, Charlie.
00:08:53.000You guys have a universal love for Trump, the person.
00:08:57.000You guys have sat with him, had dinner with him.
00:08:58.000Like, there is a genuine affection, I think, that goes both ways.
00:09:02.000Where it starts breaking down, at least in past experiences, is there's certain people that glob on to power within the inner circles of the Trump orbits, right?
00:09:13.000And that has created a lot of consternation in the past, a lot of burned bridges, a lot of hurt feelings, not necessarily with people here, but we've all heard about it.
00:09:22.000And it is, on the one hand, something that's just necessary.
00:09:26.000It's inevitable, rather, that you're going to have certain people that you're close with, not so close with within the Trump orbit.
00:09:32.000But what we're saying is: listen, this has been a season where we know who our true friends are.
00:09:39.000You have seen the people that will stick by you through thick and thin in this last season because it was very easy for a lot of people because we saw so many examples of people taking the paycheck, people going on.
00:09:52.000I mean, for the record, you know, Charlie does not get paid a dime to say something nice about Trump.
00:11:08.000His daughter still works for the Trump campaign and her daughter was sub-tweeting her dad.
00:11:12.000And then all of a sudden, he like wouldn't respond to texts and was like, DeSantis can be the nominee and was like, bro, how much money's involved in this?
00:11:29.000Usually when someone you, when someone you talk to, it would be like, it would be like if I suddenly went to work for DeSantis out of nowhere.
00:11:37.000And by the way, hadn't like sent a message to anyone I talked to on a regular basis to say, hey, guys, by the way, I'm thinking of doing this.
00:12:46.000But I would say, Charlie, and just on Steve, just on Steve, and I'll say this quickly, is that he did not comport himself the way that like a Jeremy Redfern did, right?
00:12:56.000I don't remember him getting anything personal.
00:12:58.000I don't remember him attacking Donald Trump personally.
00:13:01.000I don't remember him attacking any of us personally, calling us stupid, calling his name, saying things like Ashley Babbitt should have died, which Jeremy Redfern did say.
00:13:10.000So, you know, when I talk about people who comported themselves a certain way, that's kind of who I'm talking about.
00:13:16.000Now, the question of letting someone back into the camp, or do they sit on the bus?
00:13:53.000I feel like that's probably the funny thing is I feel like we'll get this MAGA bloodlust almost like don't let any of the traitors back in.
00:14:01.000And then we'll turn around and it'll be a year from now and we'll be like, why are there three Democrats in the cabinet?
00:14:06.000And why is he only giving interviews to the New York Times again?
00:14:14.000And I think the big fear a lot of people have is what if all the mistakes that were made in 2017 that could easily be chalked up to inexperience.
00:14:38.000Jack, you know this really well that would either block out or embrace.
00:14:42.000And we all sort of knew who the true believers were and who they weren't, you guys better than I.
00:14:46.000And then there was the front of house people, the people that were public that you were like, these people ended up being the biggest snakes in the grass that you can imagine.
00:14:55.000And I think, Jack, you tweeted out something like that that these people that are trying to come back to Trump and cozy on up to Trump after Iowa are getting the snake in the grass poem.
00:15:04.000And from a personnel standpoint, we saw time and again how his policies were thwarted by bad personnel choices, right?
00:15:14.000So we're all saying like, hey, we've got a very hardcore agenda here.
00:15:17.000We're going to deport 10 million illegals.
00:15:23.000And we don't want these globalists that secretly wish Nick won the nom, but don't want to be irrelevant either, trying to cozy back up to the guy that's supposed to be leading the charge here.
00:15:34.000And here's the issue, too, with appointments.
00:15:38.000And I'm not, by the way, I'm not talking even about appointments at this point.
00:15:41.000I'm talking just very loosely, like, I don't even know, like retweets, right?
00:15:46.000Like throwing somebody a retweet is, you know, what did we learn from the first administration that you cannot trust anyone.
00:16:41.000One, as Angela points out in our chat, we do, you know, Trump has the nomination locked up, but even though I have just predicted that he will win, I don't, you know, it's not guaranteed.
00:16:52.000And one of the hazards is if you have DeSantis or Haley people, I guess, feel really bitter about the way the primary went and it ended, they can, of course, not vote or they could throw in with RFK.
00:17:04.000We're already seeing a few people do that.
00:17:24.000Traditionally, this has just sort of been self-healing because partisan instincts in the U.S. are so strong, pretty durable, that people would just think, I don't want Biden.
00:17:34.000You know, the moving principle here is no one wants Biden to win.
00:17:38.000And so over time, as you get closer and closer to the election, wounds do organically heal.
00:17:43.000And the most obvious case of this is 2016.
00:17:49.000You had people who were big fans of Ted Cruz, of Marco Rubio, of all these, you know, of all these, you know, conservatives who'd done a lot.
00:19:01.000Like, you know, it's time to everybody just come on home.
00:19:04.000And I remember thinking, like, that was a powerful moment because it spoke to the people that probably are backing DeSantis right now, but it was a healing moment.
00:19:15.000And it was like, okay, if Mike Pence, old, boring, you know, Mike Pence is telling you to come back and back this guy, okay, that's that's comforting somehow.
00:19:23.000And man, the funny thing is, is when you said you, you know, he had a feud with Mike Pence, I had to pause and think, why would he have a feud?
00:20:04.000What's funny is I feel like Trump can forgive too easy and not enough because what he really does is he fixates on these enemies.
00:20:11.000And this is what I worry about a bit with DeSantis, is that DeSantis was not merely an opponent that Trump had to, you know, cast, drive aside in order to get the nomination.
00:20:20.000I think that's kind of what Ted Cruz was like in 2016, for example.
00:20:24.000DeSantis became the Jeb Bush of the 2024 primary.
00:20:30.000He became this figure that Trump fixated on really early.
00:20:34.000He was attacking DeSantis even before the midterms.
00:20:37.000And he really seemed to relish coming up with all the nicknames, really humiliating him.
00:20:45.000And I feel like any person who gets in that role with Trump, I don't know that Trump has ever rehabilitated someone from that.
00:20:53.000And I could see that causing a good amount of long-term bitterness, at least in some quarters.
00:21:00.000Like we talked about people getting nasty politically, people saying nasty stuff about Trump supporters in support of DeSantis.
00:21:06.000But the Trump campaign implied, or at least people linked with the Trump campaign, implied that DeSantis' wife faked having cancer and that DeSantis was a pedophile.
00:21:26.000Yeah, the Zodiac killer, but I think that was more mean energy.
00:21:32.000They both went after each other's wives.
00:21:34.000There was a lot of bad stuff like that, but I do feel like things got very, there were some very wild allegations that were made against DeSantis' family from at least people pretty adjacent to Trump world.
00:22:29.000He definitely criticism of some people.
00:22:34.000They'll say, why on earth are some of these people even being entertained back into the orbit?
00:22:39.000What will stink, I think, is Trump def, like I said, he fixates on a few people who he will like never forgive.
00:22:46.000Like I think Jeff Sessions is probably an example of that where Trump blames him for these things for the Russia for Russia and all of this.
00:22:55.000And I feel like he could end up doing that to DeSantis just in the sense that he loves beating up on DeSantis.
00:23:01.000But if he doesn't perceive himself as having this feud with a person and there's only a few people that's really like, yeah, he'll just get over it immediately.
00:23:09.000And, you know, he'll have the dinner conversation with them.
00:23:13.000And three hours later, it'll just be, Nikki Haley's back in mega camp.
00:23:18.000You know, we're going to point yourself.
00:23:21.000To that statement, though, I mean, look at, look at the dust up with Vivek from the last time that we were on a live stream together, all four of us on a live stream.
00:23:30.000We were all talking about the dust up with Vivek Ramaswamy.
00:23:34.000We were talking about the fact that, oh my gosh, Trump is going so hard at him.
00:23:56.000I think you, you talked about this earlier, Jack.
00:23:59.000You were talking about the way they comport themselves.
00:24:01.000And I will say, you know, I was watching the chat.
00:24:04.000It seemed like the chat was like, you know, screw Steve Cortez.
00:24:08.000I tend to be like, want to show some magnanimous love for Steve, but I don't, the timing, I think, and I don't disagree.
00:24:16.000I'm just, I'm wrestling because you know, my temptation, let me say, my, my fleshly temptation wanted to say, oh, Steve, thanks for the text, man.
00:24:24.000Where were you over the summer when you were pumping DeSantis for an unnecessary primary, probably being paid way too much money by a now defunct bankrupted super PAC?
00:25:18.000I mean, I just don't want to think of it as so mercenary.
00:25:20.000And I think this is why it strikes a certain chord when we're talking about it and why you were tweeting about it, why it was such a, I mean, I want to say it was the Jamie Dimon clip that actually set all of this off.
00:25:33.000I mean, Charlie, you tweeted it and went kind of viral that morning.
00:26:05.000Is someone like Steve Cortez more trustworthy than a silent establishment person that just lurks in the water and does 100% strong opinions?
00:26:21.000I would rather have Steve Cortez than all of a sudden the establishment figure that appears when Trump looks like he's going to be the nomination.
00:26:28.000There's a million people who just, yeah, stay below the surface.
00:26:38.000And I'm just learning because all of a sudden as Trump's getting the nomination, I'm seeing texts and calls of people I haven't in a long time.
00:26:44.000And I thought to myself, they've really same here, man.
00:27:01.000I said, all of a sudden, my phone is chirping more than the smoke alarm in Joy Reed's living room with people that I haven't heard from in years.
00:27:10.000But I wanted to get this out that Raheem had a great point about this.
00:27:12.000And Raheem and Steve have, you know, I'm not going to speak for him, but, you know, they were obviously very close before all this war room posse, et cetera.
00:27:21.000He said, look, you know, there was a time in my life where I would have said, you know, screw them all and kick them all overboard.
00:27:26.000But, you know, one thing is, what are you bringing to bear?
00:27:30.000And I think, Charlie, this is kind of what you're getting at as well is what do you bring to the table?
00:27:34.000And one thing that Steve Cortez had, and he still does have this, is that he was an excellent communicator, that he did have that communication skill.
00:27:46.000He had that ability to bring this to bear.
00:27:48.000Now, he never really was able to put it into play for DeSantis, which, by the way, is a whole interesting story that I'd love to get to because I remember he wasn't really doing these things for DeSantis.
00:27:58.000It's like they kind of put him on the shelf really, really far.
00:28:01.000And then, you know, the question is: do you want a guy out there every day making chalk talks like that for Donald Trump?
00:28:08.000And I was like, you know, on average, on net, I would rather have that on margin.
00:28:13.000Now, as far as high-level appointments and things, that's well, and Jack, I think what's interesting about 2020, 2026 versus now is 2026, it made sense to unite the clans, right?
00:28:27.000Like, bring everybody home because Trump did not have an established backing.
00:28:32.000But what made 2023 awkward was A, and I think, Jack, you know this better than anybody, is how vitriolic and obnoxious the DeSantis influencers became.
00:28:44.000And then, B, the mere fact that all of them used to back Donald Trump.
00:28:48.000So it was, but whereas in 2016, you know, the people that were anti-Trump, never Trump, they had never backed him before.
00:29:27.000And so if your team is running around calling everyone members of a cult, then you're not going to get those people on your side.
00:29:34.000Meanwhile, if you're a Trump supporter, yeah, you can shave off a couple of points of hardcore DeSantis supporters because, again, as you say, he is the presumptive nominee.
00:29:49.000So just basic game theory would say that the guy in the right.
00:29:53.000It didn't feel welcoming to be, they felt like it was an antagonistic.
00:31:46.000He was like, I want, he's like, I get it.
00:31:49.000Like, I love the funny bad boy stuff, the funny tweets and all.
00:31:52.000But at the end of the day, sure, you can win an election, but what does it matter if you don't get anything across the board when you're actually in office?
00:32:01.000And, you know, he said this publicly, so I'm not, I'm not putting words in his mouth, but it's, it was more this idea that if we can get a guy in who's competent and also has all of these beliefs, but without the drama, then maybe we can actually move the needle.
00:32:18.000And case in point is that you had people who were on staff acting this way online, on staff, Jeremy Red Firm, and others on staff who were doing this, engaging these types of behavior.
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00:37:22.000Just while they get it, so the reason, of course, it's in the news is people have dug up remarks that United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby made in, I think, 2021.
00:37:31.000But he says, you know, United Airlines is very committed to making sure that 50% of their pilots are women.
00:37:56.000How is diversity and diversity targets working into the Aviate Academy?
00:38:01.000We have committed that 50% of the class of the classes will be women or people of color.
00:38:07.000Today, only 19% of our pilots at United Airlines are women or people of color.
00:38:12.000And by the way, from all the data I've seen, that's the highest of any airline in the country.
00:38:15.000White males don't just dominate in the cockpits.
00:38:17.000Also, in the C-suite at United Airlines.
00:38:20.000Well, look, at United, I'm proud of the diversity that we actually have in our C-suite.
00:38:24.000I think if you look around corporate America, one of the things we do is for every job when we do an interview, we require women and people of color to be involved in the interview process.
00:38:33.000So I just want to say, white males dominate on the hosts of thought crime.
00:38:44.000Our demographics here exactly match the demographics of the men who wrote the Constitution.
00:38:48.000So, Andrew, just riff on this because the buried lead here is not even the CEO answering the question.
00:38:54.000It's the axios propagandist, the way he asks the question.
00:38:57.000No, this is why we say that the media is the enemy of the people, because the way he asks these questions, he's assuming that this value system that's completely, you know, arbitrary, it's just the next new thing.
00:39:11.000So he's assuming the virtue in his line of questioning.
00:39:14.000So he's demanding that the respondent, in this case, Kirby, CEO of United, fits into this moral framework that he's just established in the question.
00:39:23.000You could call it leading the question.
00:39:25.000Yeah, I mean, but the way that imagine Musk pushing back on this.
00:39:31.000He would basically be like, Well, your question's BS.
00:39:33.000But instead, you have this weak, effeminate, turns out drag queen CEO that doesn't push back on the premise, doesn't reject the premise at all, instead parrots it back.
00:39:44.000And there's a striking moment here: 19% of United's pilot corps is minority or women.
00:39:53.000Now, no coincidence, 19% of their flights are never on time.
00:39:58.000Correlation without causing they have to get ready.
00:40:37.000There's the diversity push in literally every industry in America.
00:40:41.000So they're like, okay, we need to have more, you know, women and people of color physicists and pilots and finance gurus and film directors.
00:41:24.000So you get people who either are veterans and those go through a pretty tough winnowing process or people who care enough about it and have the resources to be hobby pilots at a high amount of time or their parents paid for flight school in their 16, 17, or 18 years old.
00:41:39.000That is a thing of upper middle class society.
00:41:42.000And so, man, you have to be careful saying that because soon we'll get Congress just allocating $50 billion to the like women in flight program to pay for underprivileged people to just get flight hours and then they'll just be crashing small planes all over the place.
00:41:56.000But this is, I think, this is the red pill of the red pill.
00:41:59.000I've every issue where anyone who's remotely normie in my orbit goes 10 out of 10.
00:43:45.000I said, fine, I'm going to say it on human events.
00:43:47.000And I said, Am I supposed to just not notice that Fannie Willis is on the exact same Soros project, Soros prosecutor trajectory as Kim Gardner was in St. Louis?
00:44:34.000And then all of a sudden, Fannie Willis is like, come on, she's not actually using the money for the prosecution for paying your lover off.
00:45:50.000But there's just not an acknowledgement of certain constraining limitations here.
00:45:54.000And I think that's what's so troubling is in that clip, he doesn't acknowledge that there is structural and cultural reasons for this disparity.
00:46:02.000And so you're sitting here as like a potential victim in the back of the plane going like, oh my gosh, like he's just going to force this through.
00:46:09.000And there's, he's not, he doesn't seem to care about the fact that if some people can't fly so good.
00:46:14.000If Delta wanted to just dominate, they should do an ad and be like, Delta Airlines, excellence is how we hire our pilots and you'll be safe.
00:46:22.000I'm telling you, they would have 20% more like even though they'd get boycotted.
00:46:28.000No, look, everything's going to be fine.
00:46:32.000It's just someone's going to die because we could joke about this all we want.
00:46:36.000You cannot have it, it's very, very sophisticated.
00:46:40.000You hire people for sophisticated, high-stakes, immediate call jobs with 50 checklist items, and you do not have competency as the core reason, somebody's going to die.
00:46:56.000Yeah, no, I actually looked this up recently when this whole sort of discourse began.
00:47:01.000And in the Soviet Union, it was known and it was well known at the time that it was the worst air travel in the entire world because, again, pilots in the Soviet Union, Aeroflot, were chosen for political reasons.
00:47:15.000Now, it wasn't diversity reasons, but again, it was another political, non-quality, non-qualified reason.
00:47:22.000So you had to be, you know, you had to be of the right moral character, the right, which of course was, was run through the KTV and run through the party and your family couldn't have any dissidents in it and all of this stuff.
00:47:33.000And you would get literally hundreds, almost a thousand plane crashes throughout the history of the USSR, like something like 700, like this insane number, all the way up to the point where.
00:47:45.000And this is why people still to this day ride the train a lot in that part of the world because they're just used to that.
00:47:50.000They're used to air travel being incredibly dangerous.
00:47:54.000Up to the point in the 1990s, if anyone remembers this.
00:47:58.000I don't remember this, but I know about it because Michael Crichton wrote a whole book about this, but it actually took place.
00:48:04.000His book takes place in the U.S., but this is an incident that actually happened in Russia in the 1990s.
00:48:09.000So it's a couple of years after the Soviet Union fell, but you still kind of have this pilot corps that's made up of like political apparatchiks and such, where, yeah, the pilot allowed his 15-year-old son and his 13-year-old daughter to take the controls while everyone's asleep on like a long-haul flight.
00:48:30.000And they accidentally disengaged the autopilot and were flying the plane itself and literally flew the plane into a mountain in Russia and killed everyone on board.
00:48:40.000And this was like aeroflot, full commercial flight, just completely insane, completely insane.
00:48:55.000And like not that long ago in our history, which by the way, and you know, this is going to happen next because whenever there was a whistleblower anywhere in the Soviet Union who wanted to like come out and actually explain what was going on, you can only imagine what happened to them.
00:49:08.000And I guarantee that's the exact same thing the federal government will do when it comes to the diversity hire captains on our end.
00:49:14.000If anyone's at Boeing or at United, that's why they've got to run to, and I implore you, please go to James O'Keefe and get the information out now because people are going to die.
00:49:23.000We are going to have planes raining, raining down on the United States before this is done.
00:49:49.000What you're really getting at, and see, this is why I've always been like migration, migration, migration, or illegal immigration, whatever you want, because it's something that you feel very viscerally.
00:50:00.000You walk on your streets and you're like, man, 10 years ago, my street used to have my neighbors on it.
00:50:37.000And that's why I think this United story and the DEI story hits so hard because we've all been in the back of a plane when the turbulence hits or when you're flying through a storm and you're like, I'm so glad I saw the guy with the right stuff and the square jaw get into the cockpit before we took off.
00:51:22.000I say, boy, I hope he's not a Harvard-style affirmative action student that has points for, and he like he landed half of his flight simulator, you know, trials.
00:52:09.000Somebody probably leaked it to James O'Keefe, but like he's having a debate with air traffic control and she's trying to tell him how she thinks she should she he should land.
00:52:17.000And he's saying, Woman, I've been doing this for 15 years.
00:52:22.000And you know that I just googled this.
00:52:24.000Do you remember when I said this a couple weeks ago?
00:52:25.000I said, what they're they're hiring a bunch of blacks for no reason at air traffic control for and they're this started in the Obama years.
00:52:33.000I know I'm saying though, this has been going on and I've been getting whistleblowers from the FAA for years and people say you're a racist.
00:54:03.000This is a pilot who's 35,000 feet in the air trying to land a plane full of passengers communicating with some moron who is no better than like, you know, just customer service.
00:54:14.000To be honest, though, she sounded a real person.
00:54:16.000The woman is Brenda Mooney, and she is apparently an air traffic controller at the small airport of Denton, Texas.
00:54:58.000And even they are like, I don't know how I'm going to be exempt from this one.
00:55:02.000Part of it, though, is that there's just simply more air travel, right?
00:55:05.000And so there used to be a rule in aviation, and I'm out of my depth here, but this was explained to me that you used to have to fly 2,000 feet apart, like on top of each other, right?
00:55:17.000You had to have 2,000 feet of clearance plane over plane if you were going to come within a certain proximity to one another.
00:55:23.000At some point, that was deemed to be too much trouble for the aviation industry.
00:55:30.000And so they lowered the threshold to 1,000 feet of clearance, which just means the planes are flying closer together mid-air, especially as you approach busy airports and things like that, cities.
00:55:43.000Because remember, it's not just commercial air travel.
00:55:46.000We've got Cessna's, you got private jets, you got hobby flyers.
00:55:52.000So it's a complicated, I just want to, I just want to say it's a complicated field, and there's a lot going on on a lot of variables.
00:56:00.000Wall Street Journal, FedEx, Southwest Planes, come within 100 feet of each other during close call.
00:56:04.000I mean, this is happening all the time.
00:56:06.000Remember, it's a complicated field, but it is endlessly messed up.
00:56:11.000It's not that complicated because we actually came to a place of agreed upon standards and safety.
00:56:18.000And now we're deciding to destroy that.
00:56:20.000And to Andrew's point, my working hypothesis, which I think is rather unique to us and me, is that the politics of taking is way more powerful than the politics of even giving.
00:56:31.000You're taking someone's abortion rights away.
00:56:39.000You imagine your life without that thing, taking of gas stoves, the taking of your car.
00:56:44.000And the side that is doing the taking tends to not be as popular.
00:56:47.000And that's why abortion tends to be not a winning issue for us currently, is it feels as if we're going in and interfering and taking something away from people.
00:56:54.000Putting that aside, it doesn't, I just, I can't imagine how the Democrats will spin this one.
00:58:30.000Even though I knew it was in the sex charts, I still because we have that Artemis program, which we need because it's going to send the first woman to the moon.
00:58:36.000By the way, Elon would never mention that.
01:00:51.000And I'm pretty sure they got rid of it during COVID.
01:00:54.000It feels very old Americana, like a really cool vestige of the past.
01:00:58.000But what's depressing is they're getting rid of this.
01:01:00.000And the justification is you can probably guess, Charlie, take a wild guess what the justification for getting rid of swim tests for colleges.
01:01:48.000My guess is that the chief agitators, and you can just see how Steve would say this.
01:01:53.000My guess is that the chief agitators for abolishing college swim requirements are black women who tend to be more overweight than their rivals.
01:02:07.000And he says, while many obese black women believe they look fine, the kind who get into Williams, that's a big, you know, little elite school.
01:02:14.000Yeah, it is the liberal, they tend to be aware that they don't match elite society's beauty standards while wearing bathing suits.
01:02:21.000In turn, though, the chief victims of anti-swimism, as he says, are black men.
01:02:40.000And this is the same guy that we should tell the audience, if you're not aware, has done really incredible work highlighting traffic fatalities in post-BLM.
01:02:51.000You know, how it's actually killing a lot of black drivers because they don't get pulled over anymore because that would be racist and racial targeting.
01:03:00.000And so it's actually killing a lot of black men.
01:03:02.000And this is sort of a similar vein where it's like, well, racism is now killing more black people.
01:03:07.000Do Sailor has the radical point of view that fewer black people should drown, fewer black people should die in cubarets, fewer black people should be run over, and fewer black people should be murdered.
01:03:16.000And for that, he's considered super racist.
01:03:21.000No, I was just going to say, you know, I do have some lived experience with this.
01:03:26.000You know, so I was in the Navy, which means I went through a Navy boot camp.
01:03:30.000And when you go through a Navy boot camp, you, and a lot of people, I guess, didn't know this, or at least I found out didn't know this, that when you join the Navy, it is a requirement that you know how to swim so that if you fall off the boat, that hopefully there will be some chance of recovering you.
01:03:48.000This, you know, I don't want to make light of that because apparently we actually lost two Navy SEALs earlier this week in a situation like this.
01:04:23.000It's an L-shape, you know, as you have to do a turn, and then you're allowed to do one of three different strokes as you swim: breaststroke, the combat side stroke, or basically like the frog stroke.
01:04:36.000And, you know, most people don't have a problem with it.
01:04:38.000Then you have to show that you can float prone for five minutes without touching the sides.
01:04:42.000And then you also have to show that you can, or the bottom, and then you have to show that you can use your coveralls as a flotation device.
01:04:48.000And it's, you know, most people pass it on the first go around.
01:04:52.000But if you have not passed it on your first go-around, you then have to go every single day, twice a day, until you pass the test.
01:05:02.000And I will just say that after like the first couple iterations of that, you know, most of the people, most of the people who were showing up for the remedial swim class in Navy boot camp, let's just say they shared similar characteristics, right?
01:05:35.000Jack, tell me the story ends with the black dudes learning how to swim, even though they didn't grow up in communities, homes that took them to swim class when they were four.
01:06:24.000And it just struck me as so wild that, you know, even after so many days, there are a lot of people that couldn't get it.
01:06:30.000But I will say, like, I have definitely 100% seen this with my own eyes.
01:06:36.000It's not something that was not known.
01:06:38.000But unfortunately, we're now being told that we have to lower our standards in order to help with this.
01:06:43.000And then, more importantly, which is even crazier, I was just looking this up in show prep today for this.
01:06:49.000The U.S. Navy United States Naval Institute up in Rhode Island is now calling for the Coast Guard to lower their swim test because they're saying the Coast Guard isn't diverse enough because their swim test is much more involved than the one that I just said.
01:07:04.000And I said, well, wait a minute, shouldn't the Coast Guards be more involved?
01:07:07.000Their job is literally to save people who are in distress at sea.
01:07:23.000Imagine you're, you know, your son, James O'Keeffe, who mentioned him again.
01:07:27.000You know, he's a guy who enjoys sailboating.
01:07:30.000Imagine something happens, you get caught up in a storm squall, whatever, and you need Coast Guard assistance.
01:07:35.000And then now imagine you got someone coming that barely even knows how to swim or pass the checkbox, and you're all dead, including the people trying to save you, by the way.
01:07:45.000Well, this is where we need humor to come back because I grew up in an America where black people joked about themselves not knowing how to swim.
01:07:53.000And it was just kind of like culturally baked into the cake, and they all knew it was hilarious.
01:07:59.000They say, Yeah, and you whale don't know how to dance.
01:08:01.000I'm spacing on the name, but there was a there was an NFL player, or at least a draftie in the 80s who drowned while trying to save some kids who were drowning themselves.
01:08:10.000He himself did not know how to swim, but he saw some children drowning and tried to save them.
01:09:02.000And unfortunately, though, unfortunately, and this is mentioned in the article as well, that black children dying in like motel or hotel pools because they see the pool and they want to get in and they want to have fun.
01:09:16.000Unfortunately, it's at a much higher rate than white kids or Hispanic kids.
01:09:20.000And of course, you know, here we are in Throught Car where it's like, oh, it's like, oh, ha ha, we're going to laugh.
01:09:24.000It's like, no, actually, we're not laughing.
01:09:26.000We're saying this is obviously a problem in the United States that we would like to see fixed.
01:09:32.000Same as the homicide problem, same as the car, you know, the traffic fatality problem.
01:09:37.000Again, we want to live in a world where these things aren't happening, but we have to actually be able to talk about them first before we can deal with that.
01:09:46.000I just wanted to say the name of the player is Joe Delaney.
01:10:25.000It's more, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.
01:10:26.000So yeah, I had the exact opposite experience.
01:10:28.000That's the only reason why I'm kind of going like, my mom took me to swimming class while my dad was at work or whatever.
01:10:33.000And then, but I will tell you, I went on like more water adventures with my dad where I actually had to put it into practice, where I got comfortable in the water.
01:10:40.000So lakes and things like that, fishing.
01:11:09.000Um, so I want to do a little audible, guys, here, if that's okay, because I'm just kind of reading this and I was just kind of you know, people were sending me stuff.
01:11:17.000Uh, I want to talk about Noble Gold, but Jack, I think that'd be a fun last segment because you and I were involved in this.
01:13:17.000I want to just do a little bit on the because I think this is the last week we could do this because next week it won't be there, but I could go through one after the other of just these people that I actually know that refuse not to text or email or call, but they write these incredibly, dare I say, sanctimonious, snobbish op-eds.
01:16:04.000He basically says there's no reason to doubt the FBI's telling of events because there was no precedent at the time for these hidden files to be released to the public.
01:16:23.000He even distinguishes it from some of the communist stuff on King, which we went into.
01:16:27.000A lot of his friends were associated with communists.
01:16:29.000But he's written stuff where he says there's no reason to believe MLK himself was a communist, maybe friendly with them, maybe too close to them.
01:16:40.000And then he distinguishes that from the adultery stuff where he says, and he also says a lot of the communist stuff on King is secondhand, thirdhand.
01:16:48.000Someone's like, I knew him and he seems sympathetic.
01:16:50.000And then with the adultery stuff, it's all these FBI guys saying, yeah, we bugged his phone, which they did do.
01:18:05.000You do not live a private life like this and have it not affect what you believe and your value set and the way that you approach the world.
01:18:14.000You cannot look at this man the same way once you know this about him.
01:18:18.000Well, and so also he has a higher approval rating than Jesus.
01:18:48.000As would a middle school student's critique of Albert Einstein's theories, as ludicrous as Pontius Pilate's declaiming against Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.
01:18:58.000Oh, so questioning MLK is challenging the laws of physics and Jesus Christ.
01:19:04.000What's great is it just, it actually supports what we said, which is he's become a Christ-like figure in America.
01:19:24.000I don't know why the Blaze is attacking me.
01:19:26.000Would love an explanation for that, why they're writing articles against us.
01:19:30.000You know, anyway, it really picks me off.
01:19:32.000It gets so, yeah, he writes this, Martin Luther King versus Charlie Kirk and the irreverent right.
01:19:37.000And this is my, he says, quote, conservatives claim that the history of slavery in America should not be judged by today's moral standards.
01:20:20.000But the people that like defend this bitterly, I just want to make this final point, which is, hold on a second.
01:20:25.000You do realize as he got the Civil Rights Act passed and the Voting Rights Act passed and the Great Society, he got angrier and demanded more money from white people.
01:20:34.000He was like revolutionary by the time.
01:20:39.000Let me just read some of this because I think it's important.
01:20:41.000He said, white Americans, this is near the end of his life, must recognize that justice for black people cannot be achieved without radical changes in the structure of our society.
01:21:04.000Look, you know, and it's, and we've talked about the personal failings here, and this is huge, right?
01:21:10.000And I know that Matt Walsh wrote a piece about this as well and said, you know, if we're going to talk about, you know, Thomas Jefferson and Washington holding slaves, then we can talk about the personal failings of others.
01:21:20.000But I think it's different because Thomas Jefferson and George Washington have a legacy, which is called the United States of America and our constitutional republic.
01:21:31.000And, you know, obviously we're trying to fix that.
01:21:34.000And Charlie, you had a fantastic interview with Curtis Garvin all about that this week.
01:21:37.000But they have a legacy that you can point to.
01:21:40.000Whereas it's really the legacy of Martin Luther King that we're also questioning.
01:21:46.000Rather than just the personal life, we're also questioning the public life.
01:21:49.000And we're saying, did it make sense for him to not fully condemn the rioting that was going on during the time?
01:21:56.000Did it make sense for him to push for these bills that radically changed our government?
01:22:01.000Interestingly enough, the Libertarian Party came out in like full support of everything that we were saying.
01:22:07.000They talked about the Civil Rights Act.
01:22:08.000They talked about how the Voting Rights Act completely is just completely racist in the way it deals with districting and the way it gerrymanders.
01:22:15.000It requires districts to be gerrymandered along racial lines.
01:22:20.000Talked about how the Civil Rights Act essentially enshrined race consciousness in federal policy.
01:22:26.000And there's many, many more examples of this.
01:22:28.000And so the question is, you know, are we questioning Martin Luther King's status as an American myth?
01:22:34.000Or are we questioning whether or not the legacy of Martin Luther King, which we live under now today, is something that we still want to live under?
01:22:44.000Because if we're actually fighting this stuff, we've got to fight it at its root.
01:22:46.000Frederick Douglass, Ben Carson, Thomas Soule, and Justice Clarence Thomas are far better black role models to celebrate than Martin Luther King.
01:23:13.000He's a key figure of a narrative that kind of dictates the way America is today in a lot of ways that all conservatives find objectionable.
01:23:23.000We're always like, why does political correctness rule everything?
01:23:26.000Why does everything seem race-obsessed?
01:23:29.000Why is the government kind of trying to socially engineer everything in all these ways?
01:23:50.000And so this is especially what I think has to be brought up when we talk to conservatives about this who complain and they're just like, how can you do this?
01:23:59.000Well, as we said on Monday, if you want to change this, this actually is something that you're going to have to confront because to make the necessary changes, you have to get over the hump of, well, we have these laws from the 60s that make it impossible to do otherwise.
01:24:14.000And what's funny to me is we actually were able to get over it with the Voting Rights Act a few years ago.
01:24:19.000Like in the early 2010s, we were getting serious Republican legal challenges to parts of the Voting Rights Act that made it essentially impossible to do certain forms of election integrity.
01:24:30.000We just said, hey, this is a massive restriction on states' rights.
01:24:35.000One of the big ones was the Voting Rights Act had components of it where you just huge chunks of America, specific counties and entire states, we singled them out and we just said, you're not allowed to make your own election laws unless the Department of Justice clears it.
01:24:48.000And so you'd get these things where the Department of Justice would just say, oh, yeah, you can't have nonpartisan elections because it would hurt Democrats.
01:25:02.000And that was a challenge to the Voting Rights Act.
01:25:05.000And then you had to campaign against the Voting Rights Act.
01:25:08.000And that's kind of the bigger picture of this: if you want to have strength as conservatives, you have to have an internal moral locus of control where you can go against something and be like, but this is called the, you know, Good Things and Happy Children and Puppies Act.
01:25:23.000You don't oppose the Good Things and Happy Children and Puppies Act.
01:25:25.000And we're like, yeah, we do, because that law is bad.
01:25:28.000And that's kind of what you have to learn to be able to do with the Civil Rights Act.
01:25:42.000And we kind of have to train conservatives to think that way.
01:25:44.000And it might be that this is a way we have to do it.
01:25:47.000I will say, outside of eight to 10 strongly worded op-eds and 100 to 200 tweets of the intelligentsia, the rank and file have been overwhelmingly supportive.
01:25:59.000And that's really, really promising about this week.
01:26:01.000I'm talking about very few negative emails, in fact, overwhelmingly positive, very few negative text messages.
01:26:08.000And it kind of goes to show that sometimes the intelligentsia, they're not in touch with what the people actually want.
01:26:38.000It is being done for a purpose and is not just being done for fun.
01:26:42.000In fact, I wouldn't say this was very fun, actually, in terms of all the things that we've got into, but it actually does serve this purpose because if we are going to get to, and Blake and I talked about this on our episode that kind of kicked all this off, that we do want to get to this ideal of a colorblind society, but you're never going to do that with the weight of the 60s hung around our necks like an albatross.