The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 32 — Working 40 Hours = Boomer? Prosecute Shooters' Parents? DignifAI?

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00:01:29.000 We have Blake, we have Tyler, we have Jack.

00:01:31.000 Let's get right into it to be the most efficient we can.

00:01:33.000 Blake, what is our first story?

00:01:34.000 First story, it's coming out of Michigan, a state that gives us many bad things, like Detroit Lions football most years, and the Detroit Tigers, and, you know, Gregory.

00:01:46.000 We're going to Michigan.

00:01:47.000 Excuse me, we're going to Michigan this June.

00:01:51.000 We love Detroit.

00:01:52.000 We love Michigan so much now.

00:01:53.000 Don't forget.

00:01:55.000 All right.

00:01:56.000 But anyway, this is.

00:01:57.000 Well, I'll just say in an alternate universe, Trump's still president.

00:02:00.000 The Detroit Lions have made it to the Super Bowl, and Toby Key is probably still alive.

00:02:03.000 But I'm just saying, we're just in an alternate timeline.

00:02:06.000 It is the alternate one, unfortunately.

00:02:08.000 The one we are in, we have this story out of Michigan from Pontiac.

00:02:12.000 A Michigan jury has convicted the mother of a school shooter of manslaughter.

00:02:18.000 So back in 2021.

00:02:21.000 2021, Ethan Crumbly was this teenager, and he did a school shooting, killed four other students, tragically.

00:02:30.000 He was 15 at the time.

00:02:33.000 And he actually lived, so I think he already took a plea deal, life without parole.

00:02:38.000 But what prosecutors also did is they're prosecuting the parents, and they're trying them separately.

00:02:42.000 So this was the mom, Jennifer Crumbly, and they charged her with involuntary manslaughter because of her son's shooting.

00:02:51.000 And this week they actually convicted her.

00:02:53.000 So she has been convicted of what herself.

00:02:56.000 I saw the news story.

00:02:57.000 So fill me in.

00:02:58.000 What is the fact pattern?

00:02:59.000 Before I can have an opinion, did she know that her son was making violent threats?

00:03:03.000 Did she know that he was playing around with weapons?

00:03:06.000 Did she not lock up weapons?

00:03:08.000 She gave him a gun is a big key thing that they claim they claim she knew or should have known that he was showing bad, unstable tendency minors.

00:03:08.000 What are the facts?

00:03:19.000 He was 15.

00:03:20.000 Okay.

00:03:21.000 And so that doesn't, that plays into the parents' responsibility.

00:03:24.000 Exactly.

00:03:25.000 True, true.

00:03:26.000 And she gave him the gun.

00:03:28.000 And despite there were being warning signs of him being a dangerous person, and I'd have to check specifically, but I think it was literally something like she and her husband gave him the gun as a gift literally a day or two before he goes on this shooting.

00:03:43.000 So it's a very good factor.

00:03:45.000 Direct cause and effect there.

00:03:47.000 And then was there evidence presented that he was going to be violent, that she knew that he was making so there was definitely things where he'd written statements or sent text messages that in a vacuum sounded violent, but she argued, and I think it's other than the fact that he did become a shooter, the plausible argument like, oh, he was kidding around, you know, the way teenagers say insane sounding things to be crazy, except this one was crazy and shot people.

00:04:15.000 Did he go see psychiatric help or no?

00:04:18.000 I don't know off the top of my head, but I don't think they did.

00:04:22.000 I don't think that actually there was, so this all comes to a head.

00:04:26.000 Now, I'm sure you're going to get to this, Blake, but this comes to a head where there's like a school, they actually had pulled the parents into the school on the morning that the shooting took place, obviously before the shooting, and had said they had found some.

00:04:39.000 I mean, the fact pattern is really, really bad in this case, right?

00:04:42.000 That's why they're using it.

00:04:43.000 For sure, for sure.

00:04:44.000 Try to set this up.

00:04:45.000 They want this to be the example.

00:04:46.000 And said they wanted him to get help.

00:04:49.000 And the parents, we don't know exactly what the disposition was, but the parents sent him back to school rather than like pulling him out immediately.

00:04:59.000 And so as Jack and I were...

00:05:01.000 I'm torn on this.

00:05:02.000 Sorry, go ahead.

00:05:03.000 Because you have a 15-year-old minor who actually kills people and a parent who gives them the weapon.

00:05:10.000 And there's more info to this.

00:05:12.000 Yeah, tell me.

00:05:13.000 The parents, if I recall correctly, had a history of being violent in front of the child, I believe.

00:05:20.000 That was documented by him prior to this with a psyche, like a school psychiatrist.

00:05:25.000 I don't know if it was like a school or like a real professional.

00:05:28.000 Sorry for people that I didn't mean that, that are out there, but a school psychiatrist versus like a professional outside the school.

00:05:36.000 Ooh, this is school officials left a voicemail and email for Jennifer Crumbly, the mother.

00:05:41.000 She did not respond, but she later texted her son saying, L-O-L, I'm not mad at you.

00:05:48.000 You have to learn not to get caught.

00:05:51.000 I got to be honest, I'm not very sympathetic with this mom.

00:05:54.000 Well, and this is the same thing.

00:05:56.000 This is the real kicker, though, that I was trying to get to.

00:05:58.000 I'm sorry, I was studying about this.

00:06:00.000 They made him bury his own dead dog.

00:06:04.000 So I guess the dog died.

00:06:05.000 The kid was left alone all the time.

00:06:07.000 And I guess this was documented.

00:06:09.000 No, he didn't.

00:06:10.000 Well, I don't know.

00:06:11.000 Who knows how the dog died?

00:06:12.000 The dog died.

00:06:13.000 The parents did nothing.

00:06:15.000 And they made him figure it out on his own.

00:06:17.000 I'm getting more here.

00:06:18.000 According to prosecutors, Crumbly's own, Ethan Crumbly's only friend moved away at the end of October 2021.

00:06:23.000 So just before the shooting.

00:06:25.000 And the family dog died, causing him to become depressed.

00:06:28.000 As early as March 2021, he had been sending his mother disturbing texts about his state of mind, which included claims about demons and ghosts being inside the home.

00:06:38.000 I mean, I got to be, I mean, Jack, if you disagree, I don't hate this.

00:06:43.000 It's just not first-degree murder.

00:06:45.000 So here's one last thing.

00:06:47.000 Remember, remember, we were very quick during the Sandy Hook tragedy to blame the parent for not locking up the weapons, right?

00:06:55.000 That was a big part of the talking point.

00:06:57.000 Why shouldn't there be a statement that parents, if you have a potentially lunatic child, you know, if they're a minor, now, if you're dealing with 19 or 20-year-old, Jack, am I wrong?

00:07:06.000 Am I processing this incorrectly?

00:07:10.000 I don't think you are, but I do think that we're in a new area, right?

00:07:15.000 We're in a new gray area here because, look, I don't think these were good parents.

00:07:22.000 And I don't think anyone is making that argument.

00:07:24.000 And I don't think anybody I've even seen anywhere on the spectrum is making that argument.

00:07:29.000 The political spectrum, of course, not any other spectrums that we might be talking about in regards to this case.

00:07:34.000 But the situation here, Charlie, isn't necessarily about this one case.

00:07:41.000 It's actually about whether or not this precedent will then be continued to be used in other cases.

00:07:49.000 And really, where does this precedent end?

00:07:51.000 Because it is a new precedent.

00:07:52.000 And it is a precedent that has, and all of media, you know, it's sent this way out.

00:07:56.000 And I certainly don't think that these are sympathetic parents.

00:07:59.000 And I think that we see this from sort of the liberal legal establishment or liberal legal complex, whatever you want to call it.

00:08:07.000 They always use unsympathetic characters, unsympathetic targets to push new precedents.

00:08:12.000 And so even though we can certainly agree that the facts of this case do warrant some kind of accountability for the parents, we should also, I think, take a step back to say this is a new precedent.

00:08:25.000 The Overton window is being moved in one direction, and this will certainly only be used against, I would say, a certain class of people.

00:08:33.000 Oh, hold on.

00:08:34.000 But is it really that crazy of a precedent?

00:08:37.000 If I'm not mistaken, there's been criminal convictions of people for manslaughter when someone says they're going to commit suicide and they encourage them to do that.

00:08:44.000 Right?

00:08:44.000 Yeah.

00:08:45.000 Like if they really egg them on into it.

00:08:47.000 Yeah.

00:08:48.000 Well, if you hand someone a gun and then they kill themselves, then you could be an accessory to yourself.

00:08:52.000 You for sure will be.

00:08:54.000 So is it really that far-reaching?

00:08:54.000 Yeah.

00:08:56.000 And we're talking about a minor here where there were multiple warning signs and they did supply the murder weapon.

00:09:01.000 And it's very, very old-fashioned, I would say, that, you know, children are kind of their parents are responsible for their children and what they do to some extent.

00:09:01.000 Yeah.

00:09:13.000 Certainly in civil court, that can happen.

00:09:14.000 You know, if you're negligent with your child and the child does these things.

00:09:19.000 But I guess what stands out to us is: are we actually going to see this principle applied in a lot of cases?

00:09:26.000 For gang murders.

00:09:27.000 And there's a lot of cases where parents are super absentee, and that's a huge impact on their children becoming violent criminal rushes.

00:09:27.000 Yeah, gang murders.

00:09:36.000 Should we?

00:09:36.000 Should we have the law point towards parental responsibility?

00:09:41.000 I think when it comes to murder.

00:09:44.000 Yes. 0.86

00:09:45.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm all for gang, you know, if there's a gang kid in Chicago and the mom is like, yeah, you know, go shoot up the rival gang and hands him a gun and hands the gun, like, you know, go teach the crips a lesson. 0.82

00:09:58.000 Or even, but what if it's something in the middle?

00:10:00.000 What if the kid just has friends who are obviously criminals, gang members, and the parent doesn't take action to say, these people aren't allowed in our house.

00:10:09.000 You can't hang out with them.

00:10:10.000 If they come here, we will call the police.

00:10:13.000 If they're negligent in that sort of way, and then that person becomes a criminal, a violent criminal, should they be responsible for that?

00:10:19.000 Yeah, but that's why it's up to a jury at that point to, but I think, I think what we're talking about here is that.

00:10:27.000 I mean, I think we're saying this jury was for some basic facts here, which is if you hand a crazy person a gun that you're responsible for in your household that you claim on your taxes.

00:10:39.000 100%.

00:10:39.000 And then that person kills someone.

00:10:41.000 Yeah, just the same way.

00:10:42.000 And by the way, this already happens with cars.

00:10:45.000 Yes.

00:10:46.000 So if you let your minor child have access to a car and then they go and kill someone, you will become an accessory for sure in that case for murder.

00:10:57.000 And that's probably, I don't have an example of it, but I guarantee that's happening.

00:11:00.000 Jack, but I want you to, Jack, what is the precedent?

00:11:04.000 I must be missing this.

00:11:05.000 I mean, let's pretend the worst, most Stalinistic.

00:11:08.000 What is the precedent here that I'm missing?

00:11:10.000 Because the fact pattern is minor weapon days ahead, ignoring warning signs of text messages.

00:11:18.000 With that fact pattern, what precedent should we be concerned about?

00:11:21.000 I'm not saying that sarcastically.

00:11:22.000 I just must say.

00:11:23.000 Well, Charlie, it's not about the fact pattern.

00:11:25.000 It's about the precedent of a someone connected to someone else, in this case, a child, then commits a crime, and then the person connected them associated with them becomes liable for the crime.

00:11:41.000 So in this fact pattern, you've clearly got a direct line from the actions of the people to the crime being committed or the actions or I guess the inactions as well in this case.

00:11:52.000 But at the same time, I would also point, and I remember saying at the time, looking at the case, looking at the same fact pattern when I said, wait a minute.

00:11:58.000 So the parents were called into the school and they were asked about the child.

00:12:05.000 They were shown some violent, I guess, drawings and writings that the student had made.

00:12:10.000 I shouldn't say child, it's 15, that the student had made that seem very violent, asking for getting help and saying, you know, and saying, I need help.

00:12:21.000 I hear voices.

00:12:22.000 The voices are telling me to kill.

00:12:24.000 At the same time, the school, the student resource officers, they had an officer, security guy at the school, didn't never check the backpack of the kid, never once checked the backpack of the kid after seeing something like that.

00:12:37.000 The teacher never checked the backpack.

00:12:38.000 The principal never checked the backpack.

00:12:40.000 Nobody checked the backpack to see if there was a gun in there.

00:12:43.000 And so I guess my question is when we're talking about these issues of legal liability, you know, why would you not find any liability for the school given the situation that, again, how many times do we talk about, oh, the FBI had someone on their radar, but then didn't do anything about it?

00:13:01.000 And the FBI is never found accountable for any of these things or many cases where, you know, the FBI was, you know, working as an informant with somebody and directly tied to some crime that took place and they're trying to get them or, you know, they don't end up catching them.

00:13:16.000 And so the crime actually takes place.

00:13:18.000 But they, again, they were on the FBI's radar.

00:13:20.000 Should the FBI be found accountable for not arresting them?

00:13:23.000 In a weird way, though, Jack, this ruling.

00:13:25.000 And so where does this end?

00:13:26.000 But hold on.

00:13:27.000 This ruling actually uses TradCon conservative belief that a parent is responsible for the kids as long as they're a minor.

00:13:35.000 Doesn't it invert our own value system against us if we find it disagreeable, right?

00:13:40.000 Because our own belief system, for example, we're the ones crying foul that a parent should know if their 15-year-old is going to transition.

00:13:48.000 Parent is in charge, parents in charge. 0.99

00:13:50.000 So just to be consistent, if the parent's in charge, that comes with responsibility, right?

00:13:57.000 Because security resource officer isn't their parent.

00:14:00.000 They might be guilty of gross negligence or, you know, civil responsibility, civil type action.

00:14:06.000 So I'm just thinking out loud because we're the ones, the left would be the ones that actually would say, no, the parent has nothing to do with the kid.

00:14:14.000 The kid can make up their own mind. 0.99

00:14:16.000 The kid can get their genitals chopped off. 0.99

00:14:18.000 This is where I start having practical worries, I suppose. 0.99

00:14:21.000 Something about this doesn't sit right with me.

00:14:23.000 And I think it's the fact that we aren't starting, we aren't having an up or down vote on should parents be responsible for this whole gamut of crimes that kids can commit.

00:14:32.000 Instead, what we're doing is we're giving the state a new tool to prosecute essentially political targets, I think.

00:14:41.000 They chose this case specifically because it's a gun case, a shooting case.

00:14:46.000 So they want to basically send the message, don't allow your kids to be around guns because anything that happens with it could get you in trouble.

00:14:55.000 Don't teach your kids guns.

00:14:57.000 Don't take them to the shooting range.

00:14:58.000 Don't go hunting.

00:14:59.000 What the left loves is the idea that if you have a gun in your home for any reason, if anything bad happens, it can ruin your life.

00:15:06.000 They want to create that reality because they want to get rid of, they want to disarm the public.

00:15:10.000 And this could be...

00:15:11.000 Think of also how we see this on other cases.

00:15:13.000 So, you know, Trump, they're going to say, well, Trump should have known that what he said, even if it wasn't normally criminal, what Trump said on January 6th, because he's Trump, he should have known it would have driven his followers into a frenzy and they storm the Capitol.

00:15:29.000 They really like, the left really likes the idea of transferring blame for one person's actions onto another person.

00:15:38.000 And they do this in other ways.

00:15:39.000 Know this gangbanger shoots someone, but really society is to blame.

00:15:42.000 Actually, you're to blame for the thing this person did.

00:15:45.000 And this is that in miniature.

00:15:47.000 Does it change if they're a minor?

00:15:49.000 Well, that's why I think it's a tough question.

00:15:52.000 And they chose a good case.

00:15:54.000 I have a different start on it.

00:15:55.000 I have a different spin on it.

00:15:57.000 And it goes hand in hand with Dan Crenshaw Land, which is this is where this plays into what the left wants to this point is really on the red flag law point, which is not just if you have any kind of mental disorder that you shouldn't have a gun, that someone in your household that has an issue means that you shouldn't have a gun in your household.

00:16:19.000 And that's the only place like I generally think that parents should be totally responsible for parents that do.

00:16:25.000 So if you can prove that I gave you the gun or gave you open access or you're messing around with a gun and I knew you had issues, then yeah, you're going to be held liable for this.

00:16:35.000 But red flag laws, what the left wants to initiate is that if I have someone in my household that potentially has issues, then maybe I can't even own a gun.

00:16:45.000 And that's probably that's the angle here in this conversation that is probably we haven't discussed yet.

00:16:52.000 That's the only issue that I have with that.

00:16:55.000 Now, the facts of the story are it's pretty clear that the gun was basically essentially provided to a game.

00:17:01.000 Which is like the worst fact pattern for this woman, you could imagine.

00:17:04.000 So I think there's a happy medium, which is like, I don't want red flag laws, but I also want people to know that if you have someone that's sick in your household or you're sick and you do something, you're going to go to jail.

00:17:15.000 Yes.

00:17:15.000 Like, and that's that's and that's fine too.

00:17:17.000 You know, that's yeah, I mean, the inverse is that the mom who gives the weapon to the kid. 1.00

00:17:22.000 And by the way, she's having like an affair and she's doing some sort of crazy thing. 0.99

00:17:25.000 And she's talking about suicide and she's like screaming. 1.00

00:17:27.000 Not texting back her kids.

00:17:28.000 And her dog's dying and apparently the kid's having to bury the dog himself.

00:17:31.000 And like this kid was a volunteer.

00:17:33.000 This parent is ready to erupt. 1.00

00:17:35.000 This parent's suck. 0.99

00:17:36.000 And do we just say there's the law just as indifference to, I mean, but the other, it might not be the right criminal code, but we punish parents for being bad parents. 1.00

00:17:45.000 Like you can go to jail for abusing your kids.

00:17:48.000 And to your point with gangbangers, a lot of parents should go to, like, we're dealing with this in Arizona with like the Gilbert Goons thing, right?

00:17:56.000 Like, I don't, we don't know the facts of this yet, but some parents should have to be responsible for things that kids do.

00:18:02.000 And you can kill people a lot of different ways, right?

00:18:04.000 Like you can curb stomp someone, you can knife someone, you can shake someone, you can shoot somebody.

00:18:09.000 Parents that let this action happen and they enable it, you know, should be held responsible to a certain extent with minors.

00:18:17.000 Jack?

00:18:18.000 Yes, here's my butt: is that, you know, I think it's, it's very easy to get caught up in the fact pattern of this case. 0.93

00:18:25.000 And as we've stated, it's bad, right? 0.94

00:18:28.000 These are not sympathetic people.

00:18:30.000 But at the same time, you can't divorce this from the culture war that we are currently in in the lawfare situation that we are currently in, where one side has the initiative and one side is constantly on the defensive or counteroffense every once in a while, where we know that every new precedent that gets set by the people who are anti-gun, by the people who are on the left,

00:18:56.000 by the people who are coming after our rights is going to be used against a specific class of people.

00:19:02.000 And this is what I was getting to earlier.

00:19:04.000 We do live in a three-tiered system of justice.

00:19:07.000 We don't live in a flat, balanced system of justice.

00:19:11.000 So, yeah, by the way, if this were going to be the new president and we were going to put this up to a vote in every state, I'd probably be for it.

00:19:18.000 I'd absolutely be for it.

00:19:20.000 Again, if we lived in a normal country, but we don't live in that country.

00:19:24.000 We live in a country where conservatives, Republicans, gun owners, et cetera, are the ones that get cracked down on and not anybody else.

00:19:32.000 In fact, many most violent criminals in this country, particularly in the major cities, are let go.

00:19:38.000 Violent illegal aliens are let go. 1.00

00:19:40.000 And so you can't divorce these new precedents that are being set from the context and the general trend and the tenor of the culture war in which we are currently in or soft cultural revolution, whatever name you want to use for it, the quasi-communist uprising, proto-communist uprising that we're living through.

00:19:57.000 This precedent will be used against us.

00:20:00.000 And it's part, I would say, it's also part of the left's wider understanding and their new conception using red flag laws and other types of judicial punishments to, because they understand that they can't get rid of the Second Amendment with the new Supreme Court.

00:20:16.000 There's no way they're going to be able to get rid of the Second Amendment in really our lifetimes.

00:20:21.000 And so what do they do next?

00:20:22.000 They go to the next level and they say, we're going to take away your ability to use your weapons.

00:20:27.000 They're already taking away our right to self-defense.

00:20:29.000 And by the way, this was the same exact argument they tried to use against Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:20:35.000 They tried to say he shouldn't have had the gun in the first place.

00:20:38.000 That's why those people are dead.

00:20:40.000 He was not allowed to have a gun.

00:20:42.000 He crossed state lines.

00:20:43.000 Again, these completely superfluous and trivial arguments that actually had nothing to do with the legality of the case or the facts of the case.

00:20:50.000 But again, they're still trying to criminalize the use of guns.

00:20:55.000 I'm not saying they were used rightly in this first place, but I want people to understand that the left's anti-gun matrix has shifted on an operational base point the same way that they've shifted the operational matrix on our elections to the operational situation.

00:21:11.000 It's well said, Jack.

00:21:12.000 Okay.

00:21:13.000 Jack, talk.

00:21:14.000 By the way, there's some goofy stuff.

00:21:15.000 Tyler, you and I, without going into details, I think we got bio-blasted.

00:21:18.000 Yeah.

00:21:20.000 I think the Republican establishment bioblasted us in Vegas.

00:21:23.000 I think there might be like miniature robots that entered my body.

00:21:27.000 By the way, so I was listening to Brandon Tatum's show on Friday and he was like, I've never been so sick.

00:21:32.000 I have the weirdest symptoms, like goofy, like stuff I've never, ever dealt with before.

00:21:37.000 Jack, you got sick as a dog, right?

00:21:40.000 I mean, I don't want to get ahead of myself.

00:21:42.000 If all of a sudden in April, they're like, oh, by the way, there's COVID 2.0, I will have been, and you would have been in the front.

00:21:49.000 And where did they hit?

00:21:50.000 Where did they hit?

00:21:51.000 Vegas right before the Super Bowl.

00:21:52.000 I'm just, I'm telling you, there is something going in those halls of Vegas that.

00:21:57.000 I think over my house, I have chemtrails that go over like all the time.

00:22:01.000 I'm constantly just going straight out.

00:22:05.000 There is something straight outside of the gas mask between my house and my car and like, you know, trying to check out.

00:22:11.000 When I had COVID, I was like, this is, this is man-made.

00:22:14.000 It just felt no, the symptoms I've been having, I'm like, this is not normal.

00:22:17.000 It's like weird stuff that's like very fringe.

00:22:20.000 Okay.

00:22:21.000 So if you want life-saving medication, Jack, you just got your ivermectin, didn't you?

00:22:25.000 I just took ivermectin for the very first time, I guess, what, three or four days ago.

00:22:31.000 I have yet to grow a horse mane or a horse tail that I am aware of.

00:22:36.000 I've been galloping a little bit lately when I'm in the gym, but you know, that's, you know, that's fine.

00:22:41.000 That's normal.

00:22:42.000 So if you want your own ivermectin, because there is something, if you guys haven't yet had the pleasure of getting, if you think you are sick over Christmas, this is a whole new thing.

00:22:50.000 This is not conventional.

00:22:52.000 This is asymmetrical warfare.

00:22:53.000 When you get it, you'll know it.

00:22:54.000 It's right, Tyler.

00:22:56.000 It is goofy stuff that I've never felt before.

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00:23:24.000 Any final thoughts on ivermectin, Tyler?

00:23:26.000 Oh, yeah, it's a lifesaver.

00:23:28.000 It really, I mean, can I?

00:23:30.000 It saved my life.

00:23:32.000 And I can't repeat this enough.

00:23:33.000 Every time I post this on Twitter, it goes viral.

00:23:36.000 I get like 10,000 likes.

00:23:38.000 But I took, I was on my deathbed.

00:23:43.000 I think day 12, I was, I had 104-degree fever.

00:23:47.000 And your oxygen was like 81.

00:23:49.000 I was literally just like, oh my gosh.

00:23:52.000 And I took ivermectin next day.

00:23:54.000 I was fine.

00:23:55.000 Next day.

00:23:56.000 Jack, you want to give some thoughts here for TWC?

00:24:00.000 Yeah, no, wellness company.

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00:24:07.000 I got the Z pack, zithromycin.

00:24:10.000 You get a ton of stuff in these packs that is just, it's sort of your normal run-of-the-mill stuff that you would get that's normally impossible to get unless you're going to one of these urgent care centers or you're trying to get a, you're trying to get on the calendar to have an appointment with your PCP, your primary care.

00:24:28.000 And it's so hard to do any of these things.

00:24:29.000 And oh, by the way, your copay is going to be what, 100, 125 for some of these things.

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00:24:44.000 And now I've got it when I need it.

00:24:46.000 And for me, for a guy who's on the go, who doesn't like taking time out of the office or time away from doing shows like this or my own show or other hits, I just thought that the wellness company was incredibly convenient.

00:24:56.000 I was able to talk to some of their doctors.

00:24:58.000 It was just super easy to use.

00:25:00.000 And now I have the peace of mind of knowing that if some, if I get bio-blasted again, or just even if I come down with like a winter cold or something, I've got what I need right there.

00:25:08.000 There we go.

00:25:09.000 Okay, next topic.

00:25:10.000 All right.

00:25:11.000 This is an interesting one.

00:25:12.000 It was going on last week.

00:25:14.000 So we love having debates on Twitter and we love Zoomers whining on X. 1.00

00:25:20.000 And so what's going on?

00:25:22.000 Matt Walsh, our friend over at the Daily Wire, kind of got a lot of heat because of how he responded to this extremely upset Zoomer.

00:25:30.000 And I thought we should talk about it because there was actually a very strong split between myself and a lot of friends and a lot of conservatives on X.

00:25:38.000 It's a bit of a long clip, but this is basically some Zoomer.

00:25:41.000 She's about 22 and she's complaining about her life. 0.97

00:25:44.000 And it's a clip that they tend to do.

00:25:46.000 Yeah, it's clip number 69.

00:25:48.000 So let's just play that.

00:25:50.000 Why is it that I have to work 40 hours a week just so I can have a place to live?

00:26:00.000 40 hours a week makes me $2,000 a month.

00:26:04.000 And my rent is $1,660.

00:26:08.000 So I work 40 hours a week so I can have a two-bedroom apartment and an extra $300 a month.

00:26:16.000 Like, it doesn't cover my phone, internet, food, you know.

00:26:21.000 So not only do I not have any extra money, but just working makes me so exhausted that I don't have time either.

00:26:35.000 Like I get off work at 5:30, come home.

00:26:40.000 I'm just so tired.

00:26:44.000 I'm so tired that like anything that I need to do outside of work, I then just push off to like the weekend.

00:26:52.000 And I'm like, I'm just too tired to do this after work.

00:26:54.000 I'll wait until Saturday.

00:26:56.000 So then I end up with so much to do on the weekend that ends up having to be split into two days.

00:27:01.000 So I have to do stuff on both Saturday and Sunday.

00:27:05.000 So then I don't get a day off.

00:27:08.000 I don't get a day to relax.

00:27:09.000 I don't get to decompress.

00:27:12.000 So it is really like working seven days a week constantly.

00:27:20.000 And I don't want to do that anymore, right?

00:27:24.000 I don't care how poor and miserable I would have to be, but I literally can't have a place to live without this, you know?

00:27:34.000 Like, I don't know what she is.

00:27:37.000 So, are you sympathetic?

00:27:39.000 So, I'll explain after this is done.

00:27:42.000 I think we've got the idea.

00:27:43.000 You guys can cut it now. 1.00

00:27:44.000 Money on her side.

00:27:46.000 Yeah, and so there's so many questions.

00:27:49.000 Here's what happens.

00:27:50.000 Where does she live?

00:27:51.000 I'm not sure.

00:27:52.000 But $1,600 for a two-bedroom. 0.75

00:27:54.000 She probably doesn't live in a major city, to be honest. 0.98

00:27:57.000 That's like you would not get arizona. 1.00

00:28:00.000 She's got to get some blood work done. 1.00

00:28:01.000 Two-bedroom here is more. 0.98

00:28:02.000 She's got to get her vitamin D double checked. 0.94

00:28:04.000 She's got a vitamin B deficiency.

00:28:07.000 Yeah, I think she acknowledges that something is physically wrong with her.

00:28:11.000 Yeah, she's got to start supplementing with somebody.

00:28:12.000 Anyway, she's got some magnesium, probably potassium, sodium. 1.00

00:28:15.000 She's got some electricity.

00:28:16.000 But what makes this interesting here?

00:28:18.000 Matt Walsh, he replies to this in a way that seemed pretty reasonable to me.

00:28:21.000 He replies, you can put number 70 up on screen.

00:28:24.000 Honestly, it boggles my mind that so many people think 40 hours of work a week is a lot.

00:28:30.000 That leaves you at least five or six waking hours a day during the week to yourself and two days on the weekend.

00:28:36.000 How much more free time do you really think you should have?

00:28:39.000 And then he continues on number 71. 0.99

00:28:42.000 Of course, the reason you see women in these videos so often is that most women don't actually want to work professional careers at all, but they've been pushed this direction by society. 0.99

00:28:53.000 But even so, we should be clear that taking care of children will mean working more than 40 hours a week. 0.95

00:28:59.000 A lot more.

00:28:59.000 Life is work, no matter how you slice it.

00:29:02.000 Suck it up and deal with it. 0.95

00:29:04.000 Now, what's interesting is a lot of people I know, and also a lot of the comments from conservatives were super hostile to this. 0.99

00:29:13.000 They think Matt is being a spiritual boomer.

00:29:17.000 He's, you know, talk, he's being super dismissive of how terrible it is to be taking over the world.

00:29:26.000 And we get some of these responses.

00:29:28.000 Tyler works like 190.

00:29:30.000 He works 145 hours a week.

00:29:31.000 This is what they would say.

00:29:32.000 I paid a day off.

00:29:33.000 They said that Charlie Kirk.

00:29:34.000 A big response was they're saying, Matt, you're a podcaster.

00:29:38.000 You barely work.

00:29:39.000 You just work six hours a week talking on a screen, which I don't know, Matt, but I suspect he works more than that.

00:29:46.000 Much like you work a lot more than when you're on screen hosting a show.

00:29:50.000 We all know that.

00:29:50.000 Yeah, I know.

00:29:52.000 And if you enjoy what you do, okay, you never work a day in your life.

00:29:52.000 Yeah.

00:29:56.000 People do point that out. 0.99

00:29:57.000 If maybe she has a really draining job, I don't know.

00:30:00.000 Well, first off, the math doesn't add up.

00:30:02.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:30:02.000 She's getting paid allegedly $11 an hour. 0.98

00:30:05.000 Yeah, where is she? 0.98

00:30:06.000 Like Jackson, Mississippi. 1.00

00:30:08.000 She might be like, maybe she's a fast food worker.

00:30:09.000 It could be really bad. 0.91

00:30:10.000 They pay like $22 an hour.

00:30:12.000 Yeah, I just went.

00:30:13.000 They pay.

00:30:14.000 In and out, they have this big thing, $25 an hour to flip burgers.

00:30:17.000 It's literally in most of these places, the minimum wage is like way higher than that. 0.90

00:30:22.000 So she's either lying or number two, she has literally a garbage job, which is you should have done this. 0.96

00:30:29.000 It's not literally a garbage job. 1.00

00:30:30.000 Garbage man probably pays like $30. 0.99

00:30:32.000 No, I mean, a garbage job. 1.00

00:30:33.000 She also has no job. 1.00

00:30:34.000 She probably has no skills. 1.00

00:30:35.000 That's the problem.

00:30:36.000 And this actually goes back to the argument we make all the time, at least when I was at the TPUSA side of things, we talk with young people.

00:30:43.000 Young people should be working in high school. 1.00

00:30:45.000 I worked a full-time job in high school where I got paid the equivalent of that.

00:30:49.000 I got paid.

00:30:49.000 I think my first job was $3.25 an hour or whatever it was.

00:30:55.000 That job, that's when you learn those skills so that you beyond high school, you can advance to something else.

00:31:00.000 So you're still living in your parents' home.

00:31:02.000 You're working a job that pays too little to actually live on your own.

00:31:06.000 That's another thing.

00:31:07.000 The second thing is, like, why doesn't she live with someone? 0.52

00:31:08.000 There's such things as roommates and everything else.

00:31:11.000 Move somewhere that is more amenable to you.

00:31:13.000 None of this actually makes sense.

00:31:15.000 And she started her life too late because probably her parents belong in jail like the last parent.

00:31:21.000 This is a phenomenon I have seen, though.

00:31:24.000 This is something that exists.

00:31:25.000 I think it's some sort of Midwestern boomer.

00:31:29.000 It codes as conservative or libertarian to me.

00:31:32.000 There are some parents who really like the idea of having their kids get out of the house right away at 18.

00:31:38.000 You're on your own.

00:31:39.000 Live on your own.

00:31:40.000 Take care of yourself, sink or swim.

00:31:43.000 And I do wonder if that way.

00:31:46.000 A lot of people are like that.

00:31:47.000 It seems counterproductive to me.

00:31:49.000 It seems.

00:31:50.000 No.

00:31:51.000 Well, one, if you're throwing people out to sink or swim right away, the answer that a lot of them do is they become huge liberals because they're cut off from all existing strategies.

00:31:59.000 That does happen.

00:32:00.000 And also, just we talk about the importance of setting a good foundation for your life.

00:32:05.000 And I think one of the ways you do that is we should be emphasizing you get a huge return on saving money early.

00:32:11.000 So this person is essentially being destroyed because she lives on her own making $2,000 a month.

00:32:17.000 Can I counter argument what you just said, though?

00:32:18.000 Sure.

00:32:19.000 So I do think that a lot of people who are kicked out of their house do become liberals, but then they more quickly and more rapidly become conservatives again because they have to figure their own lives out.

00:32:29.000 Now, I've seen just as many people in my life who have lived in their parents' home until they're 35, who have become the most obnoxious liberals because they've never had to leave.

00:32:41.000 They've never had to do anything on their own.

00:32:43.000 And then they end up inheriting the family business or some large sum of money from a family member when their parents die.

00:32:49.000 And then they never learned any life skills their entire life.

00:32:53.000 And so I think no matter what, we have work to do on both sides of it.

00:32:57.000 But I do think that the entire concept of having a bigger family where you're forced to kick kids out of the home is ultimately better for society than having fewer kids that live under your roof until you die.

00:33:11.000 Well, definitely not live until you die.

00:33:13.000 I think you can easily coddle kids too much, or you're Italian and they have their kids live with them until they're 35. 1.00

00:33:19.000 That can be bad.

00:33:20.000 But if you have the expectation or you consider it normal, work at home or start your career while working at home.

00:33:29.000 Go to school while staying at home.

00:33:31.000 You do not need to race into your own place.

00:33:33.000 But you should do that in high school.

00:33:34.000 I mean, the argument I would make to you is like, that should happen in high school. 0.97

00:33:38.000 You should have garbage jobs in high school. 0.64

00:33:41.000 You should flip burgers and scoop ice cream and work at Target in the checkout line and have to dig ditches and do stupid stuff when you're a high schooler instead of running around, you know, doing bad stuff, you know, that high schoolers are doing now because they're coddled too much in high school or playing full-time sports, which I don't, I actually think that that's a horrible thing is that we should be like, like I see every kid, when I was in high school, kids played one sport in high school or, 0.98

00:34:09.000 or they played multiple sports when they're growing up.

00:34:11.000 Now we've got kids like doing travel, like they're like going to be the second coming of Wayne Gretzky or something, and none of them are that good.

00:34:18.000 And then they turn into bad kids because they have all this free time because they're focused more on sports and like a half-ass, half, you know, I guess we can cuss on this, right?

00:34:29.000 So yeah, a half booty school career.

00:34:35.000 And so then they end up in college and they never learn anything.

00:34:38.000 But I think if you put kids to work, you know, and the family business doesn't count, by the way, you should force kids to go out, have to work for someone else, learn real valuable lessons, get fired from a few jobs, do that at an earlier age, and they're probably going to be more successful.

00:34:52.000 Jack, I want to get Jack's opinion here.

00:34:55.000 Yeah, I think the boomer take on this is really bad. 0.96

00:34:58.000 I think it's like politically stupid, number one, in an election year to tell people that like, oh, you should, you should all work until you die and you should be like Nikki Haley, raising the retirement age to 70. 0.86

00:35:11.000 I mean, go take a look at five seconds of TikTok and see how Nikki Haley is just getting destroyed on there for that take, saying that like every, you know, work is the only thing that's worthwhile in life. 0.98

00:35:24.000 Specifically, work at a job, by the way, work at a job, work at an occupation, work at work for some, whatever it is, right?

00:35:30.000 You know, defining yourself by your work is something that's just politically, I think, suicide.

00:35:36.000 I think it's actually suicidal for a movement to embrace that as their as their mantra.

00:35:41.000 I really do.

00:35:42.000 I mean, it's just the political instincts of like someone who probably backed the wrong horse in the primary earlier this year.

00:35:49.000 It's just really, really, really not smart.

00:35:53.000 And so, no, I mean, I think if you want to be out there and you want to actually make sense, talk about the fact that, hey, why aren't we all working four hours a week or excuse me, four days a week and living off of our Chinese tariffs?

00:36:04.000 Why aren't we doing something like that and saying we can make things so much better for our people?

00:36:09.000 Like the goal of a political movement should be to make things better for your people, not worse, and telling them that you're forced to work more, you're forced to do more.

00:36:17.000 And to the part where I do agree with Walsh, though, is that it is society that pushes these things.

00:36:24.000 It is society that pushes us to overwork.

00:36:27.000 Americans are absolutely overworked.

00:36:29.000 We work more hours than anyone.

00:36:30.000 We're unhappier than anyone.

00:36:31.000 We're all on SSRIs.

00:36:33.000 And you can see why.

00:36:33.000 You can see if she goes to some therapist, the therapist is never going to say, like, oh, you should work less or you should, you know, try to find a less stressful job.

00:36:41.000 The therapist is going to say, here, take this, take this medication, take whatever benzodiazepam, whatever it is, to beta blockers to make yourself feel better and then go about your day.

00:36:51.000 So you're going to drug you up rather than saying, hey, you should find some work-life balance.

00:36:55.000 It is just interesting to me how hostile it was.

00:36:58.000 Like, I'm friends with a lot of people who work hard and they were pretty negative about it.

00:37:02.000 And you can put up 72 some of the things.

00:37:04.000 What are they negative about?

00:37:05.000 Matt Walsh said.

00:37:06.000 I'll just read a few of these are some of the top results.

00:37:09.000 This is from a guy, Hafios.

00:37:11.000 Matt, I respect you, but you did radio and you run a podcast.

00:37:15.000 You work hard, but you cannot compare that to blue-collar work.

00:37:19.000 Even retail restaurant work is harder than what you do.

00:37:21.000 Stop being a boomer.

00:37:23.000 Next person, easy take when you make six or seven figures doing a job you love, Matt.

00:37:27.000 Try working 40 hours at a job that drains you mentally and physically and emotionally so that you can afford rent and groceries.

00:37:34.000 Some guy, dissident soaps, bad Matt said that about working with Ben Shapiro.

00:37:41.000 Bad take.

00:37:42.000 Her husband should be able to afford a house and two cars working 40 hours a week so she can stay home like people did before 1975. 0.86

00:37:49.000 And then Ian BS, five days out of seven is not a good work-life balance.

00:37:55.000 I'm just speechless.

00:37:56.000 Like, I mean, I don't know what country I live in anymore, I guess.

00:38:01.000 I mean, first of all, I take one day fully off.

00:38:03.000 So I do what the Bible says.

00:38:05.000 I literally stop for one day and I love what I do.

00:38:09.000 I think Tyler's on my team here.

00:38:10.000 Like, if you don't, if you're not creating, then you're dying.

00:38:13.000 I personally think that, I mean, the Soviets put people on a six-day work week.

00:38:16.000 Okay.

00:38:17.000 So these same people that don't want to work have no idea what's coming for them when we actually get to the American Soviet rule, which is what we're trying to avoid for all. 0.90

00:38:28.000 That is a funny part.

00:38:29.000 People will say, this is why we need communism.

00:38:31.000 Capitalism has failed.

00:38:32.000 Aha, comrade.

00:38:33.000 The Soviets. 0.77

00:38:34.000 You shall enjoy your time in the lithium mine.

00:38:37.000 They had an eight-hour workday, but it was six days a week.

00:38:40.000 It was 48 hours.

00:38:41.000 So you could look it up.

00:38:42.000 But I mean, this is this, for me, it's, you know, you're going to have jobs in your life where you're not the boss and you're going to have jobs in your life where you become the boss.

00:38:51.000 And some people never get to become the boss because they don't ever figure out how to become the boss.

00:38:56.000 And that is called capitalism.

00:38:58.000 And so for me, it's like you're going, you're never going to enjoy not being the boss.

00:39:02.000 You just aren't.

00:39:03.000 If you're not in control of certain things, if you're not creating, you're not doing things that you enjoy, you're probably not going to love that job.

00:39:10.000 Every job where I wasn't creating and being the boss, I didn't enjoy it, but I learned something from each of those things.

00:39:14.000 So I could hopefully at some point in my life become the boss.

00:39:16.000 Am I the only one that enjoys work days more than weekends?

00:39:20.000 No, I like work to be at home.

00:39:23.000 Jack, do you, Jack?

00:39:23.000 Oh my goodness.

00:39:24.000 No, no, being a wife is harder.

00:39:26.000 Charlie, you are not true story.

00:39:28.000 I'm not saying I'm normal of these things.

00:39:30.000 That's not true.

00:39:31.000 True story.

00:39:32.000 No, don't matwalsh him.

00:39:34.000 Do not batwals him, Jack.

00:39:35.000 All these people hate works.

00:39:36.000 Which is great, which is good.

00:39:37.000 I moved from DC to Phoenix because I was going crazy not having an office.

00:39:42.000 Okay, I need to be a curious place with people.

00:39:45.000 Is this sound super out of touch or distant when I say that weekdays give me more fulfillment than weekends?

00:39:51.000 Well, I don't know about fulfillment, but I will say this.

00:39:54.000 And well, I already answered your question. 0.99

00:39:57.000 I'm going to score points right now because my wife's job is way harder at home. 1.00

00:40:01.000 No, 100%. 1.00

00:40:02.000 Managing three children than doing anything that year.

00:40:05.000 I need one kid.

00:40:05.000 And I need a nap after like two hours.

00:40:08.000 I have to go for a walk.

00:40:09.000 And I think this is a male-female thing, right? 0.98

00:40:11.000 Which is like, my wife might disagree and she might find things uncomfortable about working and doing what we do every day. 0.50

00:40:17.000 But like, it's, it's hard to do those things.

00:40:19.000 And everybody has a role.

00:40:21.000 Yeah, I just, I don't, I know, I'm, I'm different.

00:40:24.000 I just, I love when I get to wake up super early.

00:40:26.000 And I think we could say there might be a crisis in terms of less work is giving people a sense of meaning.

00:40:33.000 Even if it's even if it's a very grunt work of the past, you might have built something.

00:40:38.000 You were in a factory.

00:40:39.000 You saw that car get made.

00:40:41.000 Yeah.

00:40:41.000 Or you worked on a farm.

00:40:42.000 You saw that crop grow and feed people.

00:40:44.000 Whereas now your real grind job could be something you work as an Amazon delivery person.

00:40:51.000 You work as a telemarketer.

00:40:52.000 And it's a true grind job that is the same every day with no change.

00:40:58.000 And often you're very policed in it.

00:40:59.000 You have these workplaces that spy on you and they penalize you if your bathroom break is two minutes too long.

00:41:06.000 And I think that can be really oppressive and draining to people.

00:41:09.000 And it is something for conservatives to think about because if we are pro-work, we should want work to be something that people will, if not enjoy, at least understand and appreciate creation.

00:41:21.000 Because we're made in the image of God and God creates.

00:41:24.000 Work is a bad word for it because it feels like toil or it feels as if it's just kind of digging a ditch to fill it back in again, which is a form of hell.

00:41:33.000 What I'm advocating for is creation, building new things and innovating and being creative about different problems.

00:41:42.000 And by the way, that is that you could be, you could do creation in the family unit too.

00:41:46.000 You're creating kids.

00:41:47.000 You're building kids. 1.00

00:41:49.000 This young lady sounds as if she looks at work as soul-sucking.

00:41:53.000 And yeah, I mean, but you said in Japan that if you come and you see a bus driver, he's like, I will be the best bus driver I can be.

00:42:02.000 But isn't that to my argument?

00:42:03.000 You can make even unfulfilling work fulfilling if you believe in duty and obligation.

00:42:09.000 For sure.

00:42:09.000 But it is very much the miasma of society around it does play a huge role.

00:42:14.000 It's hard to be the only one at your job who cares and they'll like, I'll hate you for it.

00:42:19.000 And if the job doesn't give you any incentive to do it.

00:42:21.000 You know what?

00:42:22.000 Yeah, but we don't live in a society where we're assigned these boring jobs.

00:42:25.000 You can still find this all the time.

00:42:28.000 I'm like, man, it would be a beautiful vacation to have one of those jobs at some point, right?

00:42:34.000 Dirty mics.

00:42:35.000 Sometimes I'm like, I would love to be an Uber driver and just spend all day long chatting with people, living like my, yeah, do that whole thing.

00:42:41.000 And some people think that that's miserable.

00:42:43.000 I talked to some Uber drivers who are like, man, I hate Uber.

00:42:47.000 I'm just doing this for a short period of time.

00:42:49.000 And then there's people who love it.

00:42:50.000 Right.

00:42:51.000 And it's, and it's just to that point that Charlie said is that you can make anything great.

00:42:55.000 The beauty of America is that no one is stuck with, there's a, there's a lot of different jobs that you can find a lot and you can hop around to a lot of those different jobs.

00:43:05.000 Right now, we have a problem in America where we don't have enough of these jobs filled.

00:43:10.000 And that's part of the problem that we have because we aren't training our people at a younger age to take these jobs, learn something from them in advance.

00:43:20.000 And that's part of why I think society is collapsing a little bit is because we're trying to force 45-year-olds to learn things they should have learned when they were 15.

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00:44:21.000 We were just on the phone with these guys.

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00:44:30.000 Based on the emails, I'm surprised by how many people have tax issues.

00:44:35.000 There's no shame if you do.

00:44:36.000 Totally understandable.

00:44:37.000 Maybe you decided not to pay taxes for a year.

00:44:39.000 Not the best decision, but maybe it's because you had to pay for medical bills or because you had to pay for something more important.

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00:44:51.000 Pay your taxes, everybody.

00:44:52.000 What I'm saying, though, is I find there's actually more good reasons than not of why people are behind on their taxes.

00:44:58.000 Not everything is because you were just trying to go to Vegas for a $2,500 a ticket Super Bowl.

00:45:07.000 Okay.

00:45:07.000 It's $5,000 a ticket now.

00:45:09.000 Are you kidding me?

00:45:09.000 Cheapest ticket available is $5,000.

00:45:12.000 You know, that would be a good thought crime topic.

00:45:15.000 Why is it so expensive this year?

00:45:18.000 What is I have my own personal this NFL season has been the most commented by non-football people?

00:45:25.000 Is it the Taylor Swift effect?

00:45:27.000 What is it?

00:45:27.000 Or is it that we finally got over the woke stuff and we kind of forgot?

00:45:30.000 I think we are truly reaching the point where the NFL is the only unifying cultural force in American life.

00:45:36.000 It is the only thing everyone watches.

00:45:39.000 They said it was the most popular show anyone watches on TV anymore.

00:45:43.000 No one watches network television anymore.

00:45:45.000 No, that's smart.

00:45:46.000 Totally dying.

00:45:47.000 It's all live sports, and the only live sport that really dominates is football and its ability to just, now it's sucking in all the gambling money. 0.98

00:45:56.000 It's sucking in.

00:45:57.000 That's another point.

00:45:58.000 I think the DraftKings revolution, by the way, we should do a whole thought crime on the morality of gambling.

00:46:03.000 Have we done that yet?

00:46:04.000 I think we did.

00:46:05.000 We talked about dude.

00:46:06.000 Oh, that would be such a good conversation.

00:46:07.000 Wouldn't that be a good one?

00:46:08.000 But we did not do a full, like it came up in the course of our last discussion.

00:46:14.000 Next up.

00:46:14.000 Do you just want to do the real topic?

00:46:15.000 We can do that.

00:46:16.000 What is the next one?

00:46:18.000 AI.

00:46:19.000 Oh, no, that's too good.

00:46:20.000 We can't miss that.

00:46:20.000 No, we have to.

00:46:21.000 No, we have to.

00:46:21.000 No, but I just want to say, I think that also the fact that it's in Vegas, I think people are getting free hotel rooms, basically, like 30 bucks a night.

00:46:28.000 So maybe there's more demand to go to the Super Bowl and cheap flights to Vegas.

00:46:31.000 Like every place flies to Vegas in America.

00:46:33.000 Yeah, I just want to gaze upon the sphere, which we must all bow towards.

00:46:36.000 You know, by the way, have you seen that thing?

00:46:38.000 It's incredibly impressive.

00:46:39.000 It's so cool.

00:46:39.000 I saw it when we were there last week.

00:46:40.000 It was stupid U2 there. 0.99

00:46:44.000 All right, let's do a Dignify AI. 1.00

00:46:47.000 Dignify.

00:46:47.000 I just got to say it.

00:46:49.000 This is one of my favorite stories.

00:46:51.000 Erica loved this story when I showed it to her.

00:46:53.000 She thought it was the coolest thing ever.

00:46:55.000 Walk us through it.

00:46:56.000 Who wants to, Jack, do you want to drive on the bus here?

00:47:00.000 Do we have something written or do you guys want me to kind of explain it?

00:47:03.000 We have a ton of photos, so you can describe it and they'll just put them up while you talk about it.

00:47:07.000 Yeah, so we finally found a proper use for AI.

00:47:11.000 And so, for all of the thoughts out there who are attempting to use OnlyFans or social media to reel in their catch, their prey, their simps, their betas, whatever you want to call them.

00:47:28.000 Basically, what 4chan has developed, and there's this great guy on Twitter, has created the account at Dignif AI.

00:47:38.000 It's called Dignify, and it exists as this really interesting tool where it's going through these pictures of scantily clad women and also women with egregious tattoos or any tattoos and cleaning them up, just absolutely making women look more beautiful, more dignified.

00:47:58.000 And it's really speaking to something in our culture where this Miley Cyrus from the Grammys, where it almost seems like the women look better when they are dressed more dignified or attired more dignified.

00:48:13.000 And it speaks to something in our culture, I think, where these women who, and by the way, so this one right here, for example, I actually kind of disagree with in a sense because, you know, it's funny, right?

00:48:28.000 Obviously, but I do think that you can go a little bit too far with these things, where I don't think that she's, you know, dressed like a hussy walking around in or trying to, you know, use her looks to generate money on the internet. 0.93

00:48:44.000 I think that she's just a model dressed as, you know, I guess like a Greek, you know, a Greek kind of figure here, like Helen of Troy or whatever.

00:48:52.000 And so I do think there's a tendency for Dignify to go a little bit too far, but where it's most effective for is for is for trolling the thoughts and patrolling the thoughts.

00:49:02.000 And the thoughts, like this one right here, will absolutely be patrolled.

00:49:07.000 And anytime you can do this, I was a huge supporter, by the way, of the thought audit.

00:49:11.000 Do you guys remember the thought audit?

00:49:12.000 I remember we were just talking about taxes.

00:49:14.000 They should have given her something she was lifting here, though, to make it more.

00:49:20.000 Do you remember that?

00:49:20.000 I want to make sure we get to this headline.

00:49:22.000 Just to explain it for those, because I was talking about taxes.

00:49:25.000 So the thought audit was for people to go and they were matching with girls on like OnlyFans or some of these other things.

00:49:32.000 And they were saying, oh, what do you, how much do you make?

00:49:35.000 And do you report that to the IRS?

00:49:37.000 You must pay a lot in taxes.

00:49:39.000 And then getting them to say something like, oh, I don't report it.

00:49:42.000 And then taking their information and reporting that to the IRS because 4chan found out that apparently you can receive a bounty, like a percentage of the taxes that aren't being paid if you find someone who's not paying their taxes.

00:49:55.000 And so it became called the thought audit.

00:49:57.000 And I actually coined that term thought thought audit when it was going on back at the time.

00:50:01.000 And it seems like we should bring it back.

00:50:04.000 Jack, they're also doing that.

00:50:05.000 So they were encouraging people to do that with servers too.

00:50:10.000 So they're like, every time you go out to eat, report your server.

00:50:13.000 Oh, no, I wouldn't do that to a server.

00:50:15.000 No, I know.

00:50:15.000 Absolutely.

00:50:15.000 So that's where it came from.

00:50:16.000 That was the original thought audit was the server.

00:50:21.000 But those aren't, those aren't, those aren't the same as e-thoughts.

00:50:23.000 No, I wouldn't.

00:50:24.000 I just would never.

00:50:26.000 I think it's wrong.

00:50:27.000 You'll feel bad for those poor people who are getting audited.

00:50:33.000 No, and I'm very big tipper.

00:50:37.000 Like, I'm totally for all that.

00:50:40.000 Totally for all that. 0.84

00:50:41.000 Maybe that girl in the video got audited because somebody audit had a bounty on her. 0.86

00:50:45.000 Wasn't there.

00:50:46.000 So do we have the Rolling Stone right now?

00:50:48.000 I have it on screen if we just want to show it here.

00:50:50.000 You can just bring up my screen here.

00:50:52.000 So this is an actual article in Rolling Stone.

00:50:54.000 I did not initially believe it was real.

00:50:57.000 4chan, Death by Snoo Snoo.

00:50:59.000 4chan Chuds used AI to clothe her. 0.56

00:51:03.000 She fought back.

00:51:05.000 How did she fight back? 0.99

00:51:06.000 Dignify, apparently.

00:51:08.000 I'm not sure actually.

00:51:09.000 By taking off the lawyers. 0.97

00:51:10.000 She actually had AI on her edited AI.

00:51:13.000 Actually, remove her clothes.

00:51:14.000 So now it's a completely fake.

00:51:16.000 And I am not a subscriber to Rolling Stone, so I cannot read the text of this article.

00:51:20.000 But apparently she fought back.

00:51:21.000 Chud is some, is this kind of slang term for kind of right-wing dudes? 0.90

00:51:26.000 Well, this interconnects everything with the girl that wanted a better job, too, because maybe I don't know what she's doing out there to make up for the disparity in her income because she only had two live off of.

00:51:39.000 Hopefully it's nothing bad.

00:51:41.000 But some of these, I know people are using AI for better headshots that they're putting on their applications to places, like on their resumes.

00:51:52.000 Some of these pictures that Dignify is doing are really great for resumes.

00:51:58.000 So, you know, maybe it'll get him a better job, even.

00:52:00.000 Yeah, just go on your Instagram, take your sauciest photo, and then just, oh, now you're in a suit.

00:52:06.000 Now you're in, now you're people want to hire people with kids and wear crosses.

00:52:09.000 They're fully clothes.

00:52:10.000 So like use this, your dignify picture now.

00:52:13.000 Oh, I'm in the Rolling Stone article.

00:52:15.000 That's nice.

00:52:16.000 Put it on your resume.

00:52:17.000 You know, let's create an entire account around your Dignify pictures.

00:52:23.000 Jack Pasobic, a far-right influencer, excuse me, not far-right, you mean right so far, who on Friday posted four examples of the tool being used on what he referred to as e-girls, a derogatory term for women with front-facing personae on the internet.

00:52:40.000 Like, what?

00:52:44.000 I'm not really sure exactly how she's getting us back.

00:52:47.000 I think she's just, she's just yelling.

00:52:49.000 Like, she's basically just complaining about it.

00:52:51.000 Yeah, death by snooze new.

00:52:53.000 I'm not really sure how she has fought back in any way other than like taking her clothes off more.

00:53:01.000 Like, I'm so confused.

00:53:04.000 All right.

00:53:05.000 What's the final topic, is that it?

00:53:07.000 We could talk about real quick.

00:53:08.000 Elon Musk.

00:53:10.000 Elon Musk is going to go to war with Disney.

00:53:12.000 So this is.

00:53:13.000 This is a lawsuit going to be filed.

00:53:16.000 I can't say more.

00:53:17.000 I have heard some stuff that it seems legit.

00:53:20.000 He seems very interested in this.

00:53:23.000 And this is all because yesterday, he's been on a bit of a warpath.

00:53:26.000 So yesterday, Elon Musk tweeted, an anonymous source just sent me this from Disney.

00:53:32.000 It is mandatory institutionalized racism and sexism.

00:53:35.000 And before we show the image, I just want to say this has been seen 43 million times, has 186,000 likes, 44,000 reposts.

00:53:44.000 This has been seen by a huge number of people.

00:53:47.000 And it's Disney's general entertainment content inclusion standards, as they call it.

00:53:54.000 And so they have four different categories here that apparently within Disney, you have to fulfill at least three or two or three criteria in each standard.

00:54:05.000 And they're trying to hit all of them to hit this.

00:54:07.000 So for example, standard A, on-screen representation, A1 characters, 50% or more of regular and recurring written characters must come from underrepresented groups, which they put in capital letters.

00:54:21.000 Or, you know, A4, series premise, meaningful integration of underrepresented groups in overall themes and narratives, and similar stuff for actors, secondary characters, and episodic storytelling.

00:54:33.000 And you need to get three out of five of those to fulfill standard A.

00:54:36.000 And it continues like this.

00:54:37.000 Standard B is creative leadership.

00:54:39.000 So who's writing it?

00:54:40.000 Who's the casting director?

00:54:41.000 Who is in senior creative leadership?

00:54:44.000 And then below the line, which is production staff, crew members.

00:54:49.000 And then finally, industry access and career development.

00:54:53.000 And this is paid employment opportunities such as apprenticeships.

00:54:56.000 It's the vendors you're hiring, the contractors you're hiring.

00:55:00.000 And all of these are based on increasing representation for so-called underrepresented groups.

00:55:09.000 And then, you know, obviously there's other groups that are going to lose out purely based on identity categories.

00:55:13.000 And Musk has been getting more and more vocal about this just over the past year.

00:55:18.000 He kind of starts off, oh, that's interesting.

00:55:21.000 And he's getting more and more aggressive about this.

00:55:23.000 And now he's just, he's straight up saying, if you feel you've been discriminated against by Disney, contact us and we will try to provide you legal help.

00:55:31.000 I'm not sure why he's at war with Disney specifically, but I think we can all agree the House of Mouse might be Elon.

00:55:38.000 Elon wins these lawsuits.

00:55:39.000 He has a good track record.

00:55:40.000 Well, no, I think it's clear why he's in war with Disney because if you look at what he's doing with X, he's trying to position X as a streaming service.

00:55:51.000 And I think Disney Plus, outside of, you know, sort of in like normie world, is one of the top streaming services against Netflix.

00:56:02.000 Keep in mind, you've got, you're not just talking about Disney Plus, you're also looking at ESPN, ABC, all of their, all their Corollary networks, Marvel, et cetera, et cetera.

00:56:11.000 And so anything that he can do to take, to me, it just shows Elon getting more into that entertainment media space the same way that obviously he's.

00:56:22.000 You know he's promoting Tucker for coming on, I think what's his name from.

00:56:29.000 Don Lamond is coming on X, so he's it.

00:56:32.000 It seems to me as a way of him going after a competitor.

00:56:35.000 Very good, all right, until next week.

00:56:37.000 Guys keep committing thought crimes.

00:56:39.000 Thanks so much, talk to you soon.

00:56:43.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:56:44.000 Everybody email us, as always.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - February 10, 2024

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 32 — Working 40 Hours = Boomer? Prosecute Shooters' Parents? DignifAI?

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