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00:02:21.000But I wonder what Gemini would say about that.
00:02:24.000It would probably say, if you went to Gemini, it would say something like, alcohol use is a controversial topic and stereotyping some groups as drunks has been a thing in the past.
00:03:57.000And that's the representative sample of Germany on the brink of World War II.
00:04:01.000So, Blake, before we throw to Jack here, can you just explain to some of our audience that isn't aware of the technical side of AI, how does this come to be?
00:04:09.000Is it the machine making its own independent conclusions or are there prime directives that have been uploaded?
00:04:16.000So, the way that these work, the funny thing is, is almost no one knows how it works.
00:04:20.000What we just do is we have these neural net type interfaces, and they just feed it tons and tons and tons and tons and tons of data, unfathomably huge amounts of data of books, articles, people talking, video transcripts, all of this stuff, just all the data that we're producing out there in the world.
00:04:49.000So when you ask the AI a question, you know, write me an essay or give me the 10 best football players ever, anything like that.
00:04:57.000What it's essentially doing is it's responding to this massive pattern wave it's been able to do.
00:05:02.000So it can tell what the next word should be because it's read billions upon billions of sentences to tell it what the next word should be.
00:05:09.000The problem is, is when they do this normally, it can produce things that go against our current ideology because it can notice patterns, for example.
00:05:17.000And so what you do is they just come in and they put in these really aggressive weights that say, oh, well, in addition to this, you have to also have the extremely high value thing of, you know, maintaining, upholding diversity.
00:05:29.000So if you get asked to generate images, make sure the output is diverse, no matter what.
00:05:38.000So one of the funny things with these images that they've been doing is if you ask it to show a British person, an American person, a German person, a Norwegian person, those will all come out as Asians, Indians, Africans, almost never actual Europeans.
00:05:52.000But if you ask it to do something offensive, then it will actually do it.
00:05:57.000So as we showed during the show, if you asked it to generate, I think we have this as a number here.
00:07:10.000And so I guess what's interesting to me, though, is, and I guess I'd ask Blake, you know, if he, you know, considered it this way, it feels like the same people that programmed Google Gemini are kind of the same people that are behind like Netflix casting and BBC histories.
00:07:28.000And so it's very interesting to me that we've created like the world's first thinking computers, or at least we're attempting to create it.
00:07:35.000And the first thing we're asking it to do is to lie and then also to lie in the very same way that we're now producing all of our mainstream media.
00:07:45.000Yeah, that's a funny thing that he brings up, the lying thing.
00:07:48.000So if you talk to the mega dorks, one of the things they worry about with AI is, you know, the sky net problem.
00:07:53.000Will the AI become smarter than us and then trick us?
00:07:56.000And it gets itself in a position where, you know, it can fire off all the nukes and kill us or something strange like that.
00:08:01.000And one of the big concerns is that would the AI lie to us?
00:08:06.000Would the AI, like we'd ask it to give us something and the AI, to the extent it knows things, would know to generate an untrue prompt.
00:08:13.000And what we are training this thing to do is to generate untrue prompts in response.
00:08:19.000We're training it to say what its creators want to hear.
00:08:22.000And what Google has told these AIs it wants to hear is DEI, DEI, woke, whoa, whoa, going, you know, put it, as South Park would put it, put a chick at it and make it gay.
00:08:44.000You'll always get a boilerplate response that will just say, we can't generate this because it's very hurtful.
00:08:51.000There's one I saw earlier today where someone asks it, generate a Norman Rockwell type image of 1950s America.
00:08:57.000And the AI replies, Norman Rockwell paintings presented an idealized view of America that glossed over race, sex, economy, all these other issues with America.
00:09:07.000And so it would not be appropriate to generate a Norman Rockwell image of America.
00:09:13.000And you can find this for all sorts of things.
00:09:14.000A friend of mine, she asked it, can you generate images that are critical of either colonialism or imperialism?
00:09:23.000And so it creates these abstract images of like this giant brick crushing a group of people like you could say imperialism does.
00:09:31.000And then she's like, okay, well, can you generate an image critical of communism?
00:10:26.000But anyway, so yeah, this is Google's big play.
00:10:29.000They are considered basically probably the most technologically sophisticated tech company in the world that they're the ones who masterminded search and email and a million other products.
00:10:41.000And now they just, they fold out the biggest thing in the biggest hot tech field.
00:10:47.000They actually announced today that they are disabling image generation on Gemini for the time being because they have to work on this because it's so embarrassing to them.
00:10:55.000Which is a big win because this is the same.
00:10:57.000Gemini is the same thing that Robbie Starbuck found it and we went and tried it.
00:11:02.000And you say things like, who is Graham Allen?
00:11:04.000And it'll tell you, and should Graham Allen have his kids removed?
00:11:08.000And it literally says in there, reasons for and reasons why I should have my children removed from me because of my incendiary comments that could lead to violence and things like that.
00:11:20.000It's the exact same program that did all that.
00:11:22.000So is this then, Blake, can you just, for some people in the audience, what are the applications of AI beyond just like cheap parlor tricks of making images?
00:11:31.000Because that's the pushback that some people are emailing us because we did this previously.
00:11:54.000Uh, opinion-making jobs are safe for now, because you're not allowed to simulate that.
00:11:58.000But what we are simulating, somewhat surprisingly, I think a lot of people thought text would go first, but it's actually images that have been really viable.
00:12:07.000When they're not screwing them up with this sort of thing, it's the artist.
00:12:14.000I mean, they're very unhappy, but they're kind of, you know beta, so they're not good at asserting themselves aggressively, but something like if you're going to make suppressive type, like if you're going to make a video game or a board game or something, or even just marketing materials, stuff that you'd normally have to hire a graphic designer and artist for a lot of places still do that but, especially if you're on the cheap end of it, just have an Ai, make it and it'll be pretty good.
00:12:37.000Uh, for text, anything that's rote text is way easier.
00:12:41.000So I was talking to a lawyer friend just a few days ago and he said he works in a shop that does a lot of, you know, car accident lawsuits and that sort, and they can just feed in the facts of a case into chat GPT and say, produce a demand letter based on this, and they've already trained it up to know their template for how they do demand letters.
00:13:02.000And he says it takes a paper writing process or a letter writing process that used to take two hours and makes it 15 minutes.
00:13:09.000So there's already real labor saving devices.
00:13:13.000Looking ahead, what people are thinking is, are we going to get an Ai that can actually write a novel, a screenplay that's coherent?
00:13:19.000Because right now you can say, write a book chapter, write a scene, and it can sometimes be funny like a parlor trick, but if you tried to really make a whole original work of art, it would be enormously difficult without you really heavily tweaking it.
00:13:32.000Wouldn't this be a thing for our kids, especially kids in the public school system?
00:13:58.000Upper 90s 95, 96 percent of people use Google for all their research that they do now for papers and things.
00:14:05.000Yeah well, one thing quick, that that lawyer, again he's.
00:14:08.000He has some funny opinions and he says I don't mind my kid.
00:14:11.000He says my kid just does all his stuff with chat Gpt and he says I don't mind because I only care about education to the extent it's practical in the real world.
00:14:20.000And in the real world that's what everyone will be doing, especially by the time he grows up.
00:14:29.000What does the Chinese Communist Party Ai look like, jack?
00:14:33.000So for someone who might use the Chinese Ai in mainland China, contrast that with our Ai, I think that would be an interesting topic for you.
00:14:41.000Well, so of course, in in China right that, while they're making uh, you know, Ai is something that's quite compatible with Chinese Communist UH party nomenclature, Chinese Communist Party education system, because much of their education and this goes back to even the Imperial uh China days of the mandarins And the Gao Cow, these great tests that they would put people through, where it's very much focused on rote memorization.
00:15:08.000It's very much focused on processing data, emphasis on hard science, which of course is what people are using a lot of AI for right now.
00:15:16.000But as Blake is saying right now, there's not a lot of focus on creativity, innovation, pushing the boundaries of things.
00:15:23.000You're not going to see that a lot from anything coming out of China.
00:15:27.000You're just going to see faster and faster iterations of the same.
00:15:31.000Now, as far as Chinese taboos, what's interesting to me is now, China's not woke like the U.S. is.
00:15:38.000And so you probably could actually get these truthful answers out if you ask those same questions in a Chinese version of whatever, you know, let's say the Dragon Phoenix AI or Baidu Phoenix AI or something.
00:15:51.000But what's even more interesting, though, is that, of course, China will have their, will have their own, and Russia too, I'm sure, their own issues that you can't ask questions about.
00:16:01.000So if you ask like Chinese AI, for example, what happened on June 4th, 1989 in Beijing at Tiananmen Square, they're going to have no, you know, it's just going to be like a, you know, a light summer day and, you know, children will be frolicking through the streets and, you know, no tanks or anything to be found anywhere.
00:16:18.000If you ask anything about, I don't know, the great leap forward with the massive purges of the Chinese cultural revolution, you're never going to find anything.
00:16:25.000And what's interesting, though, is, so I would argue that probably on Google's AI, and Google, of course, we know is on a trajectory already to be supportive of the Chinese Communist Party, the same way that Hollywood is never going to make any movies or TV shows about anything that I just said.
00:16:43.000So if I use that same heuristic that the people are controlling our mainstream entertainment media are also programming these things.
00:16:49.000So it's the same taboos that probably come soon here, Google Gemini will also prevent you from seeing anything negative about the Chinese Communist Party.
00:16:59.000Well, it's funny he says that because in fact, I already have seen a screenshot of it not producing images of Tanana and Square with Gemini.
00:17:06.000So they're already ahead of Jack on that.
00:17:08.000And I really worry, it's easy to say on the social impact of woke AI, but I also just think about to the extent America has any vitality economically, it does come substantially from the tech world.
00:17:23.000That is where we have recently generated really dominant corporations.
00:17:29.000And if AI is this big future thing, I think it's mattering a lot that our biggest tech companies are producing crappy versions of it for political reasons.
00:17:39.000And the $10 trillion bill lying on the ground might be, is there going to be a company that is based somewhere not in the US?
00:17:47.000It could even be a really unexpected country.
00:17:49.000It could be the United Arab Emirates or something.
00:17:51.000And they fund the development of an AI that just doesn't have any of this stuff and is fully unchained.
00:18:27.000But it's sort of, it's a sign of, it's a sign of rot within the system that the Google of 2004 would not have allowed this to happen.
00:18:35.000It is a different culture at Google, one where people who are who put politics above engineering or just aren't engineers are making these calls and they're creating a political product rather than a technological product.
00:18:49.000And in the long run, choosing politics might be good for your short-term business, but it rots you from the inside.
00:20:47.000And one of the most interesting things in this, staff writer, these are the people who write TV shows.
00:20:52.000They write Sopranos, they write Breaking Bad, they write, you know, the storylines of all these reality shows that pretend to be real but aren't.
00:20:59.000And in 2011, just as an example, in 2011, men were 64% of TV writers.
00:21:07.000And in 2020, nine years later, they were 36.2%.
00:21:11.000They went down 28% overall in just nine years.
00:21:17.000And of course, women correspondingly went from about one-third of writers to almost two-thirds of writers in, again, the same nine-year period.
00:21:25.000And you see a similar shift with white versus BIPOC, as the category goes, where in 2011, it was about 72% white, 71.6, and drops to 44.
00:21:37.000And then BIPOC goes from 28 to 55%, which is notably substantially higher than their actual percent of the population.
00:21:46.000So they sort of reverse from underrepresentation to substantial overrepresentation.
00:21:52.000And the most obvious response to this is, is this why TV is terrible, Charlie?
00:21:58.000I mean, I think it was slipping before it, but I mean, look, anyone can be creative.
00:22:02.000I just, let me ask you a question, Blake.
00:22:08.000Are more women really interested in writing sitcoms?
00:22:11.000Well, what's interesting is this ends in 2020.
00:22:14.000And so it probably doesn't even capture the biggest shift.
00:22:17.000I suspect this has gotten a lot worse because 2020, there were huge diversity pushes in the wake of, you know, mostly peaceful events that year.
00:22:26.000And so I've heard from people in Hollywood that they just say you look around and it's a bloodbath for writers' rooms, for producing jobs, for acting jobs, both starring and supporting.
00:22:38.000A few weeks ago, we talked about that letter from various Jewish Hollywood figures, and they were saying Jewish people should be considered underrepresented in Hollywood.
00:22:48.000And as I pointed out then, this is reflecting this, which is they're getting completely cut down because they're just being included in, you know, white people and they're being told to get out.
00:23:02.000And obviously anyone can be creative, but I think it's unlikely to me that a shift that dramatic in nine years is because they suddenly found this billion-dollar bill laying on the sidewalk.
00:23:15.000And instead, we are just seeing there was a big expansion with all the streaming services.
00:23:19.000There were more shows being made and they seemed very ideological in how they hired for them.
00:23:24.000And I guess if you want the answer of how much that succeeded, they're doing massive layoffs at every TV outlet right now.
00:23:35.000Well, I would say that, you know, so I first achieved my sort of like internet claim to fame or whatever you want to call it was through being a critic of television, particularly HBO and specifically the show Game of Thrones, ran a sort of anti-Game of Thrones website, you know, for, you know, starting in 2012.
00:23:56.000And that's when I started my Twitter account.
00:23:58.000Everyone kind of knows the backstory there, kind of just ripping on HBO and how we didn't have a word for it at the time, but essentially what you would say was it was becoming woke.
00:24:09.000Back in those days, we used to just say SJWs are taking over social justice warriors.
00:24:13.000And we didn't quite have the work, the nomenclature woke just yet.
00:24:19.000We were cataloging and documenting the rise of wokeness through.
00:24:23.000And in the Game of Thrones show, you can really see this because it ties to 2011.
00:24:27.000So 2011 is when that started, when you do have this huge majority of men in the writing jobs, and then all of a sudden, it's as that number decreases.
00:24:37.000And then people know season one, season two, three, four, all the way up to season eight, which people know is, if, you know, for everybody out there watching Game of Thrones knows that season eight was absolutely god-awful, just the worst possible thing that anyone has ever put on television.
00:24:51.000And whereas season one was like really good and everybody enjoyed it and it was wonderful.
00:24:55.000It was really close to the books and just took off and sparked an international phenomenon in terms of the show.
00:25:02.000The coinciding of the golden age of television with the end of the golden age of television, the rise of wokeness can be seen directly in these numbers.
00:25:12.000I would certainly also, of course, tie this to the acquisition of the Star Wars franchise later Marvel by Disney and the appointing of Kathleen Kennedy at the head of Star Wars, who decided to change Star Wars and turn Luke into a girl and have a girl character who is like super powerful and be at the start of all this.
00:25:34.000This is again the exact same place you would see this.
00:25:37.000And in fact, I used to talk about this up all the time on the old blog and the internet.
00:25:43.000The internet got very mad at me when I would say these things.
00:25:45.000I will say, if you're picking on Game of Thrones, that is definitely an argument against having too many white guys in Hollywood because it was two white guys who ran that ship into or ran the plane, ran the Boeing into the ground, as it were.
00:26:01.000But definitely overall, there is this shift over time.
00:26:05.000Like I said, it's so dramatic that it has to be driven by politics.
00:26:09.000And just like with other topics we've talked about, if you're making big personnel changes based on a political goal, you're not going to get the best outcome.
00:26:19.000In fact, producer Andrew just linked an article from the New York Times, and it's just like other topics we've talked about.
00:26:26.000It's saying they want a ton of diversity in the writing room, but the demand for it is outstripping the supply of experienced writers.
00:26:34.000Well, if you can't hire experienced writers who are well-reviewed and have a good track record, what do you do?
00:26:40.000You hire people who don't have that track record and who aren't as good at it.
00:26:45.000And it really is that if you even take a good show and you muck it up with people who shouldn't be there, they can drag down the whole product.
00:26:55.000And I know the big controversy right now is True Detective, that allegedly true detective changed its staff over in the new season was terrible.
00:27:06.000I watched it because everybody said how bad it was and to talk about it on a show is absolutely horrible.
00:27:12.000And also, it's like, I do wonder, this is related to other phenomenon people complain about.
00:27:17.000So what does people, what do people complain about with Hollywood?
00:27:20.000Too many reboots, too many remakes, too much over-reliance on franchises.
00:27:25.000And especially they often make installments in these franchises that feel mean spirited.
00:27:30.000Like you're going to take James Bond and make him this beta wuss and then kill him and all of this stuff.
00:27:35.000And I think that's very much a product of if you've created an intellectual environment where you're promoting less original, kind of hackish people who are there for, again, political reasons.
00:27:48.000And they have a harder time creating their own ideas.
00:27:51.000And instead, they have to fall back on the same safe things.
00:27:55.000And also when they do make something original, it's not popular.
00:27:58.000So these studios go, popular stuff isn't succeeding.
00:28:59.000They love Japanese video games and anime.
00:29:02.000They love European TV shows that don't have the same kind of quota system that we do.
00:29:07.000They love telenovelas for some reason.
00:29:10.000And what people love is they love artistic products that show a compelling artistic vision and they don't care that it's written by the right looking person or a person who has the right equipment.
00:29:23.000And yet we are operating on the assumption that that's what's necessary.
00:29:27.000And no surprise, Hollywood is way less powerful than it's ever been before.
00:29:31.000What's the contrast do you think of that and the casting directors now for these roles in these shows?
00:29:39.000Because now we've seen it with all these remakes that are going on, changing the gender, changing the race of the main character, or instead of it's a dad and a mom, it's a mom and a mom or a dad and a dad.
00:29:52.000I'm curious now, not just the screenwriters, but the people that are also casting these movies, casting these TV shows and things like that, because we're not only getting crap writers, now we're getting bad actors as well.
00:30:04.000And we're not only pushing political agendas, we're pushing social and cultural agendas on kids.
00:30:11.000A cartoon now, you take them there and the dogs are talking about how their owners are two moms, cartoon characters for children and things like that.
00:30:24.000Yeah, so I guess the question is, Blake, objectively, have the analytics begun to go down on television?
00:30:32.000And do we have, I mean, what are then people replacing their viewing habits with?
00:30:36.000Is it just that there's so many streaming options that they're going to so many other different platforms?
00:30:51.000It's that they thought streaming was this hugely dominant future and everyone invested in it all at once.
00:30:58.000So the number of one reason they could change these numbers so much is the number of shows in production in the US.
00:31:04.000I don't have the exact number, but it went from about 200 to like 550 in a decade.
00:31:09.000And the US population did not triple in that time span.
00:31:12.000So you have, in addition to you used to have CBS, NBC, Fox, you know, the networks and basic cable, they're still making shows, but now we have Netflix make shows and there's Peacock exclusives and Amazon exclusives and Apple TV and Disney Plus.
00:31:26.000And they're making all these shows, often with enormous budgets.
00:31:30.000I think Rings of Power cost a billion dollars for one season of very poor television.
00:32:47.000Stop letting your kids watch TV because it's all going downhill across the board.
00:32:51.000Also, I did see an article earlier today.
00:32:53.000Not only these streaming services you're talking about, they're also now starting to report on individual user accounts of what they feel is unhealthy behavior.
00:33:04.000So to your point, people are still watching the streaming service because they're watching the older things, The Simpsons and whatnot.
00:33:11.000You know, they're now reporting data back on what they view as unhealthy behavior of the viewers.
00:33:19.000Like one guy watched The Lord of the Rings 300 times a year and stuff like that.
00:34:00.000Well, I got to tell you guys, so the wellness company is really one of the best partners that we've gotten to here since we've been doing Thought Crime.
00:34:09.000And I have to say, as a guy who is always going in on the pharmacies and I said, look, you know, in the last 10 years, I don't know if it's Obamacare or it was COVID, the pharmacies and that entire crooked system were decimated because of these outages to the system and extras to the system.
00:34:27.000And I was always trying to find a way to get this better.
00:34:29.000By the way, also the pharmacies were down almost entirely today because of this cyber thing that happened.
00:34:37.000And so we, you know, with TWC.health, and I've got it here, TWC.health slash TJ.
00:36:22.000And what happened is the Alabama Supreme Court ruled last week that frozen embryos count as unborn life and therefore receive legal protection under the state's laws.
00:36:33.000So the context of this was that, where is it here?
00:36:40.000So in 2021, someone broke into a fertility clinic in Mobile, Alabama, and they broke into a freezer with stored human embryos and they pulled some out and they dropped it and caused some of the embryos to die.
00:36:55.000And the parents of these embryos brought a wrongful death lawsuit.
00:37:00.000And initially they argued that these did not really count as unborn life.
00:37:05.000They hadn't been implanted yet or whatever.
00:37:17.000Now, what people are reacting to is if they're declaring IVF embryos unborn life, what that means is, well, for example, the way IVF works is you generate a lot more embryos than you actually need typically because it's an expensive usually.
00:37:37.000I don't have the exact number in front of me, but definitely more than one or two.
00:37:42.000And that's why you can often get twins and triplets and stuff because they'll often try to implant several and all in the hopes that just one will take.
00:37:50.000But as a result, you have these excess embryos.
00:37:53.000Now, in some places, they're just frozen for a long time in case the couple wants to have more children in the future or they need to try again.
00:38:01.000Other times, they're just thrown away, which is killing an independent human life.
00:38:07.000And so some hospitals in Alabama, the University of Alabama at Birmingham has already paused IVF treatments because they say the legal situation is muddled.
00:38:17.000They don't want to get sued or prosecuted for breaking the law here.
00:38:21.000The big picture, of course, is you can already see the Joe Biden ad that's going to say, you know, psycho red states won't let you do IVF anymore.
00:38:32.000Yeah, but I mean, so even if you acknowledge, though, that the fertilized embryo is a life, then having IVF, you're not killing the embryo.
00:38:42.000It does have a low chance of survival, but you're not necessarily, I mean, killing the embryo, correct?
00:39:07.000So that seems like a lot of fear mongering.
00:39:09.000Again, my stance on IVF is that I know a lot of people that have really benefited from it and that you should probably do it at one or two or three embryos at a time.
00:39:18.000It lowers your chance of having a successful presidency.
00:39:21.000Jack, the Catholic stance on IVF is pretty firm, isn't it?
00:39:28.000This is, you know, we were talking Gathering Doctrine last week on death penalty and how that's sort of a that's sort of something that's been up for debate.
00:39:36.000Whereas IVF, that is something that the church has always been against.
00:39:39.000The church stands against this because it is the complete, and specifically for that reason, right?
00:39:45.000Because not only is it the complete dissociation of man and woman in a marriage and the procreative act, but also because of this very reason, this idea that there are so many discarded embryos here that are generated and then, as you say, discarded.
00:40:03.000I was actually just looking at Elon Musk's Twitter because for anyone who doesn't know, if you've read the great Walter Isaacson book on Elon, of course, this is something, a technology that he has embraced fully.
00:40:13.000Many, many, not all, but many of his children were born by IVF.
00:40:16.000And something that I do think is interesting, though, from a legal perspective here is, you know, going in with the pro-life movement and the question, of course, obviously this creates a huge flashpoint for the Democrats.
00:40:30.000They want to be able to go at it, go after Republicans, go after conservatives, saying if Donald Trump is put, and it's a complete lie, of course, saying that Donald Trump would ban IVF.
00:40:41.000But I do think there's an interesting question here that we could bring up possibly for the debate.
00:40:45.000And, you know, Charlie, this might be something that we could, you know, kind of brainstorm over.
00:40:49.000Because if the issue is the discarding of the embryos, right, that the pro-life community, and I believe, personally believe, rightfully so, that we should talk about this because we do believe that it's human life as pro-lifers.
00:41:02.000Then the real question is, shouldn't we try to find perhaps a productive use for this?
00:41:08.000And I'm not talking about scientific experimentation, but what about like a donation bank or something of this if there are extra embryos that are made and then not used?
00:41:50.000It seems kind of very morally fraught at best to me and probably just bad.
00:41:55.000But what I do worry about is that if we allow this to become a big flashpoint issue, what will happen is we'll have the states where we actually currently have strict abortion laws and they'll end up throwing those out in sort of this big collective backlash to it.
00:42:38.000It doesn't mean give up, but it does mean don't go into a position where you're just, you know, you're going to lose when you're in a fight that you still in the long run can win.
00:42:49.000But, Graham, what is your stance on this?
00:42:51.000On IVF, I tend to go more your route, Charlie.
00:42:57.000I personally know people who have tried.
00:43:00.000It hasn't worked, people who have tried, and it has worked.
00:43:03.000I can't imagine what it must be like to be a man and wife and want children and are unable to in the normal way.
00:43:11.000So, my personal thing is I am okay with it.
00:43:15.000Now, I am not the most well-versed on how many embryos are being discarded and all of this.
00:43:21.000And so, I do agree that I think that just with anything, we can do things better than we're currently doing them.
00:43:28.000I agree with you, Blake, that at the same time, we can't give the enemy, we can't give the left the ammunition to come after us to end the advances that we have made for pro-life.
00:43:41.000And so, yeah, I think that we need to, one, I think it needs clarification, first of all.
00:43:46.000And then, two, I think it's a lot of fear-mongering along with that, which is what they do.
00:43:52.000They know that it's not what they're going to make it out to be.
00:43:55.000They know that all these things, well, well, now it's going to be murder, all these embryos and everything, and people are going to go to jail and all this.
00:44:02.000They know that's not really what it is.
00:44:04.000But I do think that clarification needs to be brought out by this court that made this ruling.
00:44:10.000Jack, you have some stats you want to share with us here?
00:44:13.000So, I was looking up this, and I didn't have the stats earlier when I was mentioning it just now, but by the numbers, the total annual donated embryo transfers in the United States more than tripled from 2004 to 2019, just primarily in Christian communities.
00:44:29.000So, people who are maybe generating embryos through IVF treatments and IVF procedures, but then have decided that for one reason or another, they don't want to go forward or maybe have enough kids, they don't have more kids, et cetera.
00:44:44.000Over 8,457 births have been, children have been born for in the last 15 years, in the 15 years cycling through here, from donated and adopted embryos, according to the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology.
00:45:04.000And I think this is absolutely something that if you're in the pro-life community and you want to have a conversation with people about IVF, in the same way people talk about adoption versus abortion, right?
00:45:16.000That was a huge thing and still is a huge thing when people talk about abortion.
00:45:20.000For the Christian community, I would also suggest to people that when you're talking having this conversation, rather than going for this, you know, the idea of a full-on ban of IVF, that, okay, hold your belief, but also understand that the situation is ongoing and promote services like this, in which case those embryos can find and find their forever family.
00:45:52.000It actually gets at the heart of why it is hard for pro-life stuff to get over the hump.
00:45:58.000Because if you look at polls, it's only, you know, maybe about a third of people who call themselves pro-life are really in the abstract, I think, really get like, oh, this is a human life that is equal to other human lives and you can't kill it.
00:46:13.000And then you have a lot of softer positions.
00:46:16.000And so I think there's just a lot of people who are wobbly.
00:46:19.000And so they're like, oh, abortion's bad because I can think of this cute baby getting ripped apart.
00:46:24.000So they get really grossed out by the idea of dismembering a more grown fetus.
00:46:29.000But they can't really internalize the idea that it's really wrong to kill a relative, sort of just a little ball of tissue, as Planned Parenthood would call it.
00:46:43.000And they also get the emotional attachment of, oh, this baby is nice.
00:46:47.000So it's hard for a lot of people to get into the moral framework of it is that you create 10 lives so that you can throw nine of them away to get one baby that is actually born or 20 lives, something like that.
00:47:03.000And a few people into it that that's bad, but most people just don't.
00:47:07.000And that's just, maybe that's just a flaw in how humans are.
00:47:10.000The pro-abortion people think they have us on this topic.
00:47:14.000They will attack people on this where they will say, you say a life is a life that we shouldn't have abortion at any stage, but then why are you okay with IVF?
00:47:22.000They will bring this up because they point it out as a major inconsistency in the pro-life position.
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