The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 35 — Antifa On Fire? White Rural Rage? Shoot Squatters?

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00:01:43.000 This week's edition of Thought Crime, Jack Pesobic here.

00:01:49.000 Your host, Charlie Kirk, is on his way.

00:01:52.000 I'm here in Washington, D.C., where it was a little bit cold today, but we're going to talk a little bit about some ways that the local residents are using to heat themselves this week on the cold, cold streets of Washington, D.C.

00:02:09.000 But joining me back in studio over in warm and sunny Phoenix, we've got Blake and we've got Tyler.

00:02:15.000 What's up, guys?

00:02:16.000 Howdy, Jack.

00:02:17.000 What's up, Jack?

00:02:19.000 You're staying warm?

00:02:20.000 What is the weather like?

00:02:22.000 I honestly know.

00:02:23.000 It's like 38 and we had a crazy windstorm all last night throughout the night.

00:02:29.000 So I constantly kept getting woken up in the middle of the night thinking that people were like breaking into the house or that the kids were running around.

00:02:36.000 So let's just say the Second Amendment was well exercised.

00:02:39.000 Well, it is a chilly 72 degrees here.

00:02:42.000 So that's why I'm wearing a jacket.

00:02:43.000 It's freezing, freezing.

00:02:46.000 Literally, a couple clouds yesterday.

00:02:48.000 It was terrible.

00:02:49.000 You know, I'm thinking about this proverb I heard once, Jack, which is, if you start a man afire, he'll be warm for an evening.

00:02:49.000 Yeah.

00:02:59.000 But if you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

00:03:04.000 And that, of course, gets into our first topic, as we've been alluding to here.

00:03:09.000 I call him Colonel Crispy.

00:03:12.000 I don't know if others have their own nicknames for this fellow, but it's been a surprisingly long-lived story. 0.98

00:03:18.000 I saw a lot of predictions when it happened that this was a super pointless gesture because our media cycle is so fast that if you do a stupid kill yourself stunt, everyone will move on within 24 hours. 0.93

00:03:31.000 But this Bushnell guy, he has made it a little bit. 0.98

00:03:36.000 Let's give some context before we start getting into the thought crimes of it.

00:03:42.000 Because in a sense, this was a thought crime which became a sort of physical crime, actual crime in the real world.

00:03:52.000 We are going to play the video, and many people have seen this and heard of the story where a young airman, so active duty Air Force member, a guy who, by the way, was an intelligence analyst, intelligence analyst in the United States military working on Fort Meade, which is not far away from Washington, D.C., decided to protest the war in Gaza, Israel's war in Gaza,

00:04:21.000 by going to the Israeli embassy and lighting himself on fire.

00:04:27.000 And so, I'll throw a warning out that if you have young people watching right now, you should probably just kind of turn this off for the next, probably about the next 10 minutes or so.

00:04:37.000 If you want to skip the topic completely, definitely for the next minute, because we are going to play the video.

00:04:41.000 And as a reminder, and I see folks in the chat saying this, that yes, it is still Lent, and I must keep my promise to not be mean to anyone online during Lent.

00:04:52.000 So, can't be mean about the story in any way.

00:04:54.000 Blake, I assume we'll be picking up a slack.

00:05:01.000 Okay, so without further ado, let's play cut 118.

00:05:48.000 You know, I was watching this with some family members the other day, and they did point out it's not the best look for the local police to whip out their gun and point it at the guy who's 100% on fire and screaming.

00:06:04.000 It didn't seem like the most useful response, but it's also pretty unusual to run into someone just setting themselves on fire.

00:06:10.000 So, I'm not sure what I would do.

00:06:12.000 Yeah, you never, you do never know because I'll say this from someone who's run security operations and been in the military.

00:06:21.000 That when you're in a situation like that, you never know what's going to come next.

00:06:25.000 You don't know if this guy had a suicide device on him.

00:06:27.000 You don't know if he's going to get up and start attacking you.

00:06:30.000 You don't know what's going to happen.

00:06:32.000 And so, if you're a security officer and your job is to protect the security of the consulate or just the people who are walking around or the embassy, I think it is the embassy, that would certainly be following the training.

00:06:44.000 And maybe that actually, and by the way, at the same time, protecting the first responder who's going in to try to help, because in Washington, D.C., of all places, this wouldn't be the first time that there had been a fire and someone tried to attack the person who was putting it out.

00:06:57.000 Absolutely, absolutely.

00:06:59.000 And the bigger thing here that's really interesting is just the meta responses to it.

00:07:05.000 One of the big ones that happened over the last year.

00:07:07.000 He did.

00:07:07.000 Oh, I will throw out that just for anyone who still doesn't know the story, he did end up passing away.

00:07:13.000 So, he died from not immediately, but from, I think it was actually just a totality of the injuries later on that evening.

00:07:23.000 Wait, he didn't die on the spot?

00:07:26.000 No, he didn't die on the spot.

00:07:27.000 They actually got him to the hospital.

00:07:29.000 How did they get it?

00:07:30.000 How did they put him out?

00:07:32.000 I think they had fire extinguishers eventually.

00:07:34.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:07:35.000 No, no, there is a fire.

00:07:37.000 Maybe we may have clipped it off.

00:07:39.000 Wait, that's horrible.

00:07:40.000 So he, wait, he was.

00:07:42.000 There is a fire extinguisher that did we forget if we played or not.

00:07:48.000 But yeah, there's, oh, okay.

00:07:49.000 So we have the longer.

00:07:50.000 Do you guys want to play clip 119?

00:07:52.000 So, this 119, it's without the audio, but towards the end of it, you can see it has the, yeah, let's go ahead and play it because at the end of it, it has the what Blake is talking about.

00:08:03.000 There's this, it's hard to tell.

00:08:05.000 I think it's someone from embassy security who does have a firearm that comes out, and then someone else who seems to be an emergency support that has that has the fire extinguisher that's putting them out.

00:08:16.000 So, right, you've got sort of the gun and the person with the fire extinguisher at the same time.

00:08:21.000 Well, if it makes you feel better, Tyler, if you have third-degree burns, it stops hurting because you burn away the pain.

00:08:27.000 Yeah, I mean, he must have-he must have been in a coma until he died, right?

00:08:32.000 I'm not an expert on that.

00:08:32.000 I don't know.

00:08:33.000 It's unlikely.

00:08:34.000 It's unlikely he was conscious.

00:08:37.000 It's very unlikely.

00:08:38.000 I mean, but still, the excruciating pain of, oh, they put him out.

00:08:43.000 Wow.

00:08:46.000 Okay, so you haven't seen this video.

00:08:47.000 All right.

00:08:47.000 Well, that's why I'm glad that we're showing this.

00:08:50.000 Right, so you've got police that are showing up.

00:08:53.000 This area, DC, does have a lot of police in it as a regular basis on a regular basis.

00:08:59.000 I remember when I worked in Capitol Hill, if there was ever an incident, there's certain problem areas.

00:09:04.000 Obviously, the Israeli embassy has been since, you know, really since October 7th has been a place that has higher security, higher police presence just because of the hostilities.

00:09:15.000 But I remember the, you know, on Capitol Hill, the police response was incredible.

00:09:19.000 It was like three minutes, four minutes.

00:09:21.000 You'd have people there.

00:09:22.000 Wow.

00:09:23.000 So obviously.

00:09:23.000 Yeah.

00:09:24.000 Oh, and we should also say that one piece of information.

00:09:28.000 So I remember when I first saw the video on Twitter, I was like, I was wondering, how do we have the video?

00:09:33.000 Because obviously he did not upload the video himself later.

00:09:37.000 And turns out that when I dug into it, he went.

00:09:41.000 And so this guy, full-fledged member of Antifa, full-fledged Antifa supporter, while currently serving in the military, Blake, I'll have a question for you about that in a minute.

00:09:51.000 But had been participated in numerous Antifa events in the past.

00:09:56.000 And he was actually an active Twitch user.

00:09:59.000 And so this video of himself, and there's a whole other aspect to this that we have to talk about, where he actually did this essentially to go viral because he was live streaming to his Twitch account when he killed himself.

00:10:14.000 And that's how we have the video of it.

00:10:16.000 Oh, no way.

00:10:17.000 Well, we've got, I mean, people live stream everything now.

00:10:20.000 I think we've, we're at more than one mass shooting that's been live streamed.

00:10:24.000 So multiple.

00:10:25.000 We definitely live in the age of one suicide, you know, going as viral as possible in a very macabre way.

00:10:32.000 But man, this, I mean, I can't think of any suicide that's that's gone this big before.

00:10:39.000 Not like this.

00:10:40.000 Well, the last, the other famous guy to self-immolate got on the cover of a Rage Against the Machine album.

00:10:46.000 So maybe this guy will get on the inside of a re-release on vinyl or something.

00:10:50.000 But he may end up tattooed on someone's face.

00:10:50.000 He'll get.

00:10:56.000 But to get into the bigger big picture thought crime elements of it.

00:10:59.000 So first of all, one of the funniest outcomes of this after it happened is obviously a lot of people on the left really support the cause Bushnell was killing himself over.

00:11:11.000 And so they wanted to have a positive response.

00:11:13.000 So some people said, rest in power, Aaron Bushnell.

00:11:17.000 Aaron Bushnell was the guy's name.

00:11:18.000 I'm not sure if he ever said that.

00:11:20.000 And so they say rest in power, which is the same thing they've said about George Floyd, Trayvon Martin, a lot of those kind of BLM cause celebs.

00:11:30.000 And this caused backlash because several people were saying, you can't say rest in power for Aaron Bushnell because that's actually a phrase you should only use for black people who are killed.

00:11:43.000 Now, I will note, Aaron Bushnell did become black, but they don't seem to be recognizing that transition.

00:11:50.000 So, for example, we have this image, some random Twitter user. 0.52

00:11:55.000 Can we not use this phrase on white men, please?

00:11:58.000 I get the sentiment, but rest in power is historically used to mourn black people who were killed by hate crimes and police.

00:12:06.000 And that's been a somewhat common response.

00:12:09.000 And so, there is a very, it feels like something out of a black comedy or something where this guy literally kills himself to get cred with the left.

00:12:20.000 And instead, they complain about whether they're using the right terms in their perpetual grievance hierarchy.

00:12:30.000 I've tried so hard to not laugh this entire time, but it's like, it is so out of control, ridiculous, what they did to this guy afterwards.

00:12:39.000 Like the fact that they were questioning.

00:12:41.000 You know, I didn't make a Lenten promise to not laugh at people on the internet.

00:12:45.000 So I'm going to embrace it.

00:12:47.000 Yes, he died, but some deaths are funny.

00:12:51.000 And there's a lot about this death that is funny.

00:12:54.000 And it's grim, too.

00:12:56.000 I wish he had not made the decisions in his life that led to him making this decision.

00:13:01.000 Becoming the stay puff marshmallow man. 0.98

00:13:03.000 Yeah, but he chose to do a dumb thing in the service of a cause, I will note, that is repugnant as well. 0.94

00:13:11.000 He did this to support Palestine in the context of Hamas just went and murdered a thousand people and is then throwing this butthurt temper tantrum that Israel didn't take this very well and is bombing to ask about this. 0.94

00:13:31.000 What are we to make of the fact that this was a guy who, as far as we know, was not Muslim? 0.51

00:13:38.000 So I don't think there was a religious aspect here that that could come out.

00:13:41.000 So I don't know.

00:13:42.000 But what do we make of the fact that this guy is a U.S. Air Force member in the United States who's not directly involved in the conflict?

00:13:50.000 Presumably doesn't have any family members who are involved in the conflict.

00:13:54.000 Yet he's willing to become so radicalized by something that he basically got into online over it when you don't have people who like, I don't know, live in the region or any of these jihadist organizations that are like literally right there, you know, either operating throughout the Sinai, Muslim Brotherhood and others, or like Hezbollah that are even getting involved.

00:14:15.000 I think the leader of Hezbollah came out and said something like, oh, we're monitoring the situation and you don't have anybody that's doing things like this in the region.

00:14:23.000 And you get this guy who says, well, I'm going to go viral on Twitch to show people how hardcore I am. 0.99

00:14:28.000 Well, with the, I will say with the Islamic angle of it, where they're closer to it, they definitely do a lot of suicide stuff, but they can do what's more effective suicide, if you will. 0.99

00:14:40.000 You know, you do a suicide bombing. 1.00

00:14:42.000 We wear a suicide vest. 0.99

00:14:44.000 You ride on a paraglider to attack a concert full of hippies. 0.75

00:14:49.000 And this, you know, you're less able to do that.

00:14:52.000 And I think it also goes against a lot of our moral intuitions.

00:14:56.000 It is bad to do something like that.

00:14:58.000 Whereas we do have a long tradition of protest.

00:15:03.000 And I guess it doesn't immediately get to me what people have different responses to this because my personal moral intuition is that it is not heroic to kill yourself purely to purely as a stunt.

00:15:19.000 But clearly, some people did BB Netanyahu come out and say, oh my gosh, I watched this terrible video.

00:15:26.000 It's what was I thinking?

00:15:28.000 It's all back or over now.

00:15:31.000 It didn't work with him, but I do think there's a sense that there are a decent number of normies or normal-ish people who seem odd by this, who seem in some way impressed that this person was so committed to it that it, in some sense, boosted the cause or gave him raised awareness or something like that.

00:15:52.000 Well, I mean, here's, but here's the reality and like everything I was thinking about.

00:15:56.000 There's no way this guy had this idea on his own, right?

00:16:00.000 I think he might have had this idea honestly.

00:16:02.000 You think so?

00:16:02.000 Yeah.

00:16:03.000 So somebody did this in December.

00:16:08.000 There was a girl.

00:16:10.000 I just looked this up before the show.

00:16:12.000 Yeah, there was a girl who, and it was reported, but it wasn't live streamed.

00:16:18.000 And I don't have it in front of me.

00:16:19.000 I have something else in front of me.

00:16:20.000 Yeah, but why did she get it?

00:16:21.000 I think it was at like the concept in.

00:16:24.000 There's a history of people performing self-imulation.

00:16:28.000 It's really old.

00:16:29.000 And then basically from the Vietnam War.

00:16:31.000 Yeah, it's the can we if you guys want to look it up quick here.

00:16:36.000 The Rage Against the Machine album cover.

00:16:36.000 I'll just bring it up.

00:16:39.000 And then and then the whole Arab Spring was, you know, outside of the CIA elements was kicked off by a guy who, what was his name?

00:16:49.000 A guy doing it in 2019. 0.52

00:16:50.000 Oh, he's a Tunisian guy. 1.00

00:16:52.000 So it's definitely something that happened. 0.99

00:16:54.000 Which, by the way, Blake, you'll appreciate it has also been has also been denounced ritualistically at this point.

00:17:00.000 But so the Rage Against the Machine album cover, the guy's name was Thick Kwang Duke. 0.59

00:17:08.000 I can't pronounce Vietnamese, but he was a monk who monks do this.

00:17:13.000 Yeah, but monks do this, but they're not supposed to shout and scream in the middle of it.

00:17:16.000 Yeah, well, it depends on who's doing it, I guess.

00:17:19.000 Yeah, he famously completely did.

00:17:22.000 It was the Israeli consulate in Atlanta, Georgia, December 1st.

00:17:26.000 So December 1st, he's really caught and slid in Atlanta.

00:17:29.000 But monks are, you're not supposed to do, you're not supposed to scream.

00:17:33.000 So that's what I'm saying.

00:17:34.000 So if he got the idea from the girl, I'm trying to trace this back, Jack.

00:17:39.000 We have to do some tracing here.

00:17:41.000 If he got the if they got the idea from monks, monks don't scream, so they didn't do it right.

00:17:46.000 So he didn't do it right.

00:17:48.000 He didn't light himself on fire.

00:17:49.000 Well, it just, I don't, I cannot, I don't know that there's really rules for all of no, there's rules.

00:17:53.000 Monks will tell you there's rules to self-image.

00:17:55.000 Well, but I don't think he did it.

00:17:56.000 But did they take they take a vow of silence, maybe?

00:17:58.000 Maybe because this guy, I wish this guy had taken a vow of like cringelessness because unfortunately for us he's going to I wish he had taken one because unfortunately this is going to live on forever.

00:18:11.000 It's kind of hard to watch something like that and you know you just can't unsee it.

00:18:17.000 You can't unsee it.

00:18:18.000 And so I guess my question no, it's what's really interesting is you know, Blake, I don't know if this has had any effect on people's opinion of the war.

00:18:26.000 I think it's it's gotten some it's gotten people more involved in it and it started sparked a conversation.

00:18:32.000 But I kind of feel like if you've got a position on this, you're not changing it at this point.

00:18:37.000 What were his last words?

00:18:38.000 What'd he say?

00:18:40.000 Free Palestine.

00:18:42.000 Free Palestine. 0.99

00:18:43.000 Welcome, Charlie. 0.95

00:18:44.000 Welcome to your studio.

00:18:46.000 Yeah, come back to you.

00:18:47.000 Sorry, stuck in traffic. 0.85

00:18:49.000 But it was like Free Palestine, right? 0.97

00:18:50.000 Yeah, he was just kind of Palestine.

00:18:52.000 But he was like, maybe his last words were, he kind of, it is quite painful to set yourself on.

00:18:59.000 So a Muslim, was that a Muslim prayer?

00:19:01.000 Was that the, was that the called it?

00:19:02.000 Always hard to tell.

00:19:03.000 Always hard to tell.

00:19:04.000 I have seen some speculation that he may not have actually intended to die.

00:19:09.000 Some people have kind of thought he might have been looking around, like, were people going to put him out?

00:19:14.000 He might not have expected the fire to be quite as far as possible.

00:19:16.000 Oh, wow.

00:19:17.000 In which case.

00:19:18.000 Wait, he set up the fire extinguishers by his phone.

00:19:22.000 Oh, did he?

00:19:23.000 I didn't.

00:19:23.000 No, I'm asking that question.

00:19:24.000 Is that where they got fire extinguishers?

00:19:26.000 Or could he, maybe he called 911 before he did it?

00:19:30.000 Or he just might have not expected the fire to be that big and maybe someone.

00:19:33.000 Yeah, he live streamed it.

00:19:34.000 So maybe he thought people were in the middle.

00:19:36.000 I don't think he can save him.

00:19:37.000 I don't think he called it in.

00:19:39.000 I think that's just in an area of DC that has a ton of security around it at all the times.

00:19:44.000 Yeah, but what was the sound that was that rolling sound?

00:19:47.000 It sounded like that's Cleveland Park.

00:19:49.000 Like that's up by going out towards.

00:19:52.000 Did he knock over the fire extinguisher?

00:19:55.000 I don't know.

00:19:56.000 I don't know the whole, like, you know, this isn't the Zapruder film here.

00:20:01.000 It's not the mechanics of his death that are most interesting to me.

00:20:04.000 What's most interesting to me is that he did it, that people are, again, like Jack said, that people are this radicalized about something that's in a different country that our military is not directly involved in.

00:20:19.000 Our country is not super directly involved in.

00:20:22.000 And yet he killed himself over it.

00:20:24.000 And then the other fascinating thing to me is the reaction to it.

00:20:27.000 And like in the bigger picture, it's the way that a lot of people, even on, even on the right, I've noticed there's more sympathy, support for the Palestinian cause, especially on Twitter and the like, in a way I definitely don't feel I saw in the past.

00:20:46.000 No, I think that's exactly right.

00:20:48.000 Hi, everyone.

00:20:49.000 I'm here now.

00:20:49.000 Everyone did such a great job.

00:20:50.000 I was watching on my way in.

00:20:53.000 So a couple of thoughts.

00:20:54.000 It's just, it's amazing how this is how a service member gets talked about more than anything else, is they light themselves on fire for a foreign country's conflict than like dying for the American cause.

00:21:07.000 I think that's the buried lead here is that you want to get remembered as a service member.

00:21:11.000 Okay.

00:21:12.000 Light yourself on fire in support of like a foreign conflict. 1.00

00:21:17.000 Yeah, and I agree, Blake. 0.98

00:21:18.000 I think that there's more.

00:21:19.000 I think that the, I mean, I'm very pro-Israel and I just, I think that the pro-Israel position and the conservative movement is weakening.

00:21:26.000 Do you see that?

00:21:27.000 Definitely it's weakening.

00:21:29.000 It's, you know, you'll see it last at the congressional level, I think.

00:21:33.000 You still see a bit of that.

00:21:34.000 Massey has said stuff critical of us just sending tons of money there, for example.

00:21:39.000 And that's where I think you see that going away first, is there's much more skepticism of sending as much money as we can to Israel.

00:21:47.000 We'll say moral support.

00:21:49.000 We'll say, you know, in a geostrategic sense, we support them.

00:21:52.000 But, you know, America has an open border.

00:21:54.000 America is broke.

00:21:55.000 Maybe we don't unthinkingly send $20 billion to them every time something seems up.

00:22:02.000 But you do see it even on the more extreme end, especially on Twitter. 0.55

00:22:05.000 You can find a lot of personalities who just are vocally, they just favor, they support Palestine in this.

00:22:13.000 Why do you think that is? 0.77

00:22:15.000 Honestly, people might get mad at me for saying this, but it is called thought crime.

00:22:21.000 I think a little bit of this is, there's two things I would say.

00:22:24.000 One, it's just genuine anti-Semitism.

00:22:27.000 I think it's a brain virus that gets inside people.

00:22:30.000 It's, you know, waxes and wanes, but it's just something that pops up a lot.

00:22:34.000 And so that manifests that way.

00:22:36.000 And then another thing is it's sort of like it's no secret in America that the left, that Democrats are sort of the, they're the regime, as we say.

00:22:47.000 They are the prestige ideology.

00:22:49.000 That is what academia is.

00:22:51.000 That is what elites are.

00:22:52.000 Yeah, the ruling class.

00:22:53.000 And so by comparison, the normie, it's lower status to be conservative.

00:22:58.000 That's just how it is.

00:22:59.000 I'm conservative.

00:23:00.000 It is lower status to be conservative.

00:23:01.000 You don't get as many perks, benefits, treated as well.

00:23:04.000 It's like solidarity with another group that is the lower status group. 1.00

00:23:10.000 That they're the Palestinians, they are poorer, they are weaker. 1.00

00:23:16.000 Wait, are you kicked around? 1.00

00:23:18.000 White rural voters see themselves in the Palestinian.

00:23:20.000 I don't think it's so much white rural voters in that aspect because of the MSNBC thing.

00:23:25.000 Yeah, no, are you getting that a MAGA voter in Ohio that feels disenfranchised from their government has like weird solidarity with the Palestinians?

00:23:34.000 Maybe not MAGA ones, but definitely on Twitter you can find it. 0.74

00:23:37.000 Okay, so like a young 26-year-old conservative blogger for, I mean, I agree.

00:23:43.000 There seems to be a splintering.

00:23:45.000 10 years ago, there was like unanimous support for Israel, right?

00:23:50.000 Tyler and the conservative movement.

00:23:52.000 It was, it wasn't even a question.

00:23:54.000 It's still like 95%.

00:23:56.000 You think you think it's still overwhelming?

00:23:58.000 Yeah, it's like 95%.

00:23:59.000 But Blake, you're seeing something different.

00:24:00.000 I mean, I see it among some influencers.

00:24:02.000 Yeah, well, it's like, you know, Jackson Hinkle is a guy who went on Tucker Carlson's show, and I believe he's a big Palestine supporter.

00:24:10.000 There's that guy, Keith Woods, I think.

00:24:12.000 I can tell you some guy in Ireland.

00:24:15.000 I can tell you why, though.

00:24:16.000 I mean, I think there, you know, there's going to, I still think it's like predominant, and that's why we're winning over Jewish voters like incredibly at incredible amounts. 0.72

00:24:24.000 But here's the difference is that you have the same educational problem that we have for all young conservatives that are going through this. 0.64

00:24:35.000 So they're finding themselves as libertarian conservatives.

00:24:39.000 They're anti-war now, which is a big deal, which is a really big deal when you talk about Israel.

00:24:44.000 I think there's going to be a natural place to be like, I don't want to send money to Israel.

00:24:47.000 I don't want to go to war.

00:24:49.000 But then also you overlay that with like what's like triggering in the background is that they've been taught to hate Israel because of these leftist professors and teachers.

00:24:59.000 And so people are going to figure out over time.

00:25:02.000 And ultimately, I think what's going to end up happening is that we're going to, as people age and they become more conservative and they become more family friendly, they also become more friendly to Israel because they understand that that's like a not such a bad thing to have friends in the Middle East, right?

00:25:19.000 Again, but most people are going to, we're so far detached from foreign policy, I think in modern America, where it's, it's totally different from the, even the 70s, 80s, and 90s where people had like some leftover foreign policy experiencing following World War II and Vietnam. 0.54

00:25:35.000 I think just to, you know, throw out there, I mean, there's a couple of things like that that are going all around the same time, but I think one of the biggest things is that we are living through the America first era now.

00:25:46.000 And we've spent two years on the right.

00:25:50.000 Blake, as you say, starting with Tucker, but also with sort of the Trump era going in and saying, how does this directly affect Americans?

00:25:58.000 How does this directly affect Americans?

00:26:00.000 And it wasn't, you know, during any of that time focused on Israel.

00:26:03.000 But now that Israel has come around, I think you're getting that same sentiment come up.

00:26:08.000 So that doesn't mean, I don't think it necessarily means that by and large people are becoming more anti-Israel.

00:26:14.000 I mean, obviously, this is a very vocal anti-Israel segment, but I just think in general, when it comes from a political sense, that you're hearing people, and Thomas Massey, I think, is reflecting that the most in Congress that are just sick of foreign wars.

00:26:27.000 For sure.

00:26:28.000 That is definitely you see the reduction in people.

00:26:32.000 You see the things.

00:26:33.000 Why does this have to do with America?

00:26:34.000 Why do we need to spend money there?

00:26:36.000 Why do we need to care about this?

00:26:37.000 I definitely see more of that.

00:26:38.000 But you do see on the edge a group that is just overtly pro-Palestine, anti-Israel.

00:26:47.000 And I think Andrew said in our chat here, he thinks some of it is a sense they've been hoodwinked.

00:26:55.000 Hoodwinked.

00:26:56.000 And on whatever. 0.82

00:26:58.000 Hoodwinked on Israel. 0.74

00:27:00.000 And I kind of get that, that there's a sense that you can support Israel, but there's a lot of stuff where if you hear enough about it, you start to feel like it's the classic, like, Google the USS Liberty thing.

00:27:12.000 Like, you know, people, if they've never heard of stuff, and sometimes they get oversold stuff.

00:27:17.000 I think there are some evangelicals who think Israel is like a Christian country or whatever. 0.81

00:27:21.000 And it gets, I mean, it's not without faults. 0.75

00:27:24.000 It's not without faults.

00:27:26.000 And, you know, you can learn stuff about it where if you've been fed what's almost this like propaganda level version of it, you feel like you've been lied to.

00:27:34.000 Yeah, and I just, I mean, I'm biased because I love Israel and I've visited twice and it changed my life.

00:27:40.000 And being able to go to the Garden of Gethsemane and see the Garden Tomb in the Old City and go to Capernaum and Hebron, I just, I mean, Jack, you share my love of Israel.

00:27:49.000 So I always have to preface this is that I just, I love the country.

00:27:54.000 I love it in its current form.

00:27:55.000 I was treated super well when I went there. 0.99

00:27:57.000 And I don't know if I'd have the same access to my precious holy sites if it was under Arab control.

00:28:02.000 Now, this is a recent thing that has been in the news.

00:28:02.000 Yeah.

00:28:05.000 So, you know, Jonathan Pollard?

00:28:07.000 Well, yeah, he's the spy.

00:28:09.000 He was a spy.

00:28:10.000 Am I right? 0.61

00:28:11.000 He's a spy who sold U.S. secret, who spied on the U.S. on behalf of Israel. 0.54

00:28:18.000 And I believe, I think he got paid for it.

00:28:22.000 And there was some bad elements.

00:28:24.000 But we caught him and we imprisoned him for life.

00:28:26.000 But then we gave him clemency, released him, and then we let him move to Israel. 0.81

00:28:32.000 And now Jonathan Pollard is advocating for the Palestinians to be sent to the West. 0.53

00:28:39.000 And, you know, there was a large political lobby.

00:28:43.000 That just doesn't help.

00:28:44.000 It doesn't help things.

00:28:46.000 There's, I think there's often a sense, and like, you know, those op-eds that were running that we reacted to saying like, oh, the U.S. should take the Palestinians because that's the great thing to do. 0.79

00:28:55.000 I think there's a lot of sense.

00:28:57.000 People feel like we're dupes.

00:28:58.000 So, and I will say on that particular topic, that one really fired me.

00:29:02.000 We went hard at that one, really hard.

00:29:04.000 For sure.

00:29:04.000 And then I had people I really respect that come on our show about Israel call me and say, oh, no, that's not what the op-ed says.

00:29:11.000 And I'll say, please stop.

00:29:13.000 Right, Blake?

00:29:13.000 Yeah.

00:29:14.000 I mean, in clearest language, or they say, oh, it's not the government saying this.

00:29:18.000 Like, this is the foreign affairs minister saying that the West should take Palestinian refugees.

00:29:24.000 I think they backpedaled from that pretty quickly, though.

00:29:26.000 And what I told my friends in Israel and my friends that advocate for Israel, I said, if you start losing right-wing evangelicals on Israel on the like, you can't, like, you have to draw a line in this end. 0.93

00:29:39.000 No Palestinian refugees to the West.

00:29:41.000 Like, this is your base. 0.89

00:29:43.000 I remember that, you know, there was another thing where someone in the Knesset proposed a bill that I think was going to restrict or abolish Christian proselytization in Israel.

00:29:53.000 And then Netanyahu came out and says, yeah, no, we're scuttling that, guys.

00:29:57.000 You're not going to do that.

00:29:59.000 Yes.

00:29:59.000 And I want to, Israel and America does share a problem, which is that there's some sus activity in the intel agencies, right?

00:30:07.000 Is that I love Israel as far as it's a place for the Jewish people, access to holy sites.

00:30:12.000 I do believe that there's a place in God's plan for Israel.

00:30:14.000 We don't have to debate that.

00:30:16.000 But some of the Israel intel agencies, I don't think we have to be an apologist for.

00:30:20.000 And that's okay.

00:30:21.000 I mean, I don't apologize for the CIA.

00:30:23.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:30:23.000 For five eyes.

00:30:24.000 That's where people lose their minds.

00:30:25.000 They, you know, they read, oh, Israel did this intel op 30 years ago.

00:30:30.000 Bro, it was 30 years ago.

00:30:31.000 Get over it.

00:30:32.000 But it's also just, I mean, any modern country has pretty clandestine intel operations.

00:30:38.000 I mean, that's kind of whether it be the UK, Germany, Five Eyes, Australia, on your friends.

00:30:45.000 And then I feel the need to take a step back and remind people, okay, well, why did this war happen?

00:30:50.000 Did Israel just bomb Gaza?

00:30:52.000 No, this happened because the situation was more peaceful than ever. 0.91

00:30:56.000 And things were actually looking up.

00:30:57.000 They were having all these guest workers come out of Gaza.

00:31:00.000 They're making more money. 0.51

00:31:01.000 You can easily imagine a world where that leads to things getting better for everyone.

00:31:05.000 They already had the settlements go away.

00:31:07.000 So, you know, they have reasons to be thinking Israel might be a good actor here. 0.76

00:31:11.000 And then they just go shoot a ton of people, kidnap a ton of people out of nowhere.

00:31:17.000 One of the least expected massive terrorist attacks that we know of.

00:31:22.000 And that is why this happened.

00:31:24.000 And I think there is a real element.

00:31:26.000 This is some sort of brain virus that works on people.

00:31:30.000 It's like how people like pit bulls because they're the most violent dog that attacks people.

00:31:35.000 Yeah, have we done a pit bull?

00:31:37.000 Not yet.

00:31:38.000 We can talk about it another time. 1.00

00:31:40.000 But it's like the Palestinians. 0.99

00:31:41.000 Gaza is like the Hamas. 0.99

00:31:43.000 They're like the pit bull of global geopolitical.

00:31:47.000 I also, you know, this whole like, I have to say two things. 0.99

00:31:51.000 One is there is this kind of emphasis, like the Jews run the world conspiracy. 0.62

00:31:56.000 If that was, if that was true, why is the cause of Israel getting slaughtered online and in the media? 0.89

00:32:02.000 Like if that really was legit. 0.81

00:32:04.000 Now, and as Dennis Prager would say, I will lean on Dennis Prager, that yes, Jews do happen to do very, very well in certain industries, right? 0.73

00:32:12.000 And then the next question is, okay, so what?

00:32:14.000 What does that then mean?

00:32:15.000 But I also think it's just largely sloppy thinking of people that want to try to blame a group for some of their own problems.

00:32:23.000 And I just, I don't, I don't like it.

00:32:23.000 Yeah.

00:32:25.000 And it's like, oh man, Jews control the media and control all these things. 1.00

00:32:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:32:28.000 Well, there aren't that many of them.

00:32:30.000 And, you know, there's a billion Muslims in the world.

00:32:33.000 Why don't you guys get your get your act together?

00:32:36.000 Yeah, and it's also just like there's nuance too. 0.70

00:32:38.000 And I mean, I went, I was very clear, and I stand by these statements that some people in the Jewish community have funded the worst left-wing causes out there. 0.78

00:32:45.000 And then also the number one Republican donor the last 10 years is Sheldon Adelson, who gave like $150 million a year. 0.78

00:32:50.000 And he was, you know, as pro-Israel as it gets.

00:32:52.000 I mean, there's some nuance there.

00:32:53.000 I do want to, Jack, can you walk us through this tattoo?

00:32:56.000 Is it legit, Jack?

00:32:57.000 I find this, you know, we kind of everything else we can see on the internet.

00:33:04.000 But yeah, there's this guy.

00:33:06.000 So just to show, you know, and maybe like if you're, if you're watching Thought Crime and, you know, you're not someone who spends a lot of time on the internet, that he has become an absolute cause celeb online.

00:33:19.000 I'll say online, where you've got elements of, as Blake says, of some people who are super far to the right, other people that are in different pockets of the right, and then a lot of people on the left that are totally not only just on board with Aaron Bushnell,

00:33:36.000 but they are turning him into a sort of new George Floyd almost to the point where this guy, Vasaboy, on Instagram, has apparently gotten Aaron Bushnell's name tattooed along his jawline.

00:33:53.000 So there you can see Aaron Bushnell in, you know, it's not quite cursive, but quasi-cursive lettering.

00:34:01.000 There you go.

00:34:02.000 He has to live with that for the rest of his life.

00:34:04.000 I think that's AJ McLean from Backstreet Boys.

00:34:06.000 Is that not?

00:34:08.000 No, AJ put on a lot more weight than that. 0.99

00:34:13.000 I don't know.

00:34:14.000 I'm not a Backstreet Boys listener.

00:34:15.000 Can't comment.

00:34:16.000 Tyler's going to be on his own on that one.

00:34:18.000 No, I'll show.

00:34:19.000 I mean, I think it's AJ McLean.

00:34:21.000 It's clearly AJ.

00:34:22.000 I mean, that looks like fresh ink to me.

00:34:23.000 I say that as well.

00:34:24.000 Did you sing along with Backstreet Boys songs back in the day?

00:34:27.000 Oh, man.

00:34:27.000 Like when the guys are trying to win over moms, okay?

00:34:30.000 When the guys win over moms.

00:34:32.000 We're going for the mom vote.

00:34:33.000 When the guy sings in the song, Am I Sexual?

00:34:36.000 Did you go like, yeah, along with all the backstory?

00:34:38.000 I don't know.

00:34:39.000 It looks like AJ McLean to me.

00:34:40.000 I just dropped in the chat.

00:34:42.000 Yeah, it looks very show me the meaning of being lonely.

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00:36:23.000 Oh, it's terrible.

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00:37:19.000 Blake, what is our next topic?

00:37:20.000 Well, first, favorite comment.

00:37:22.000 This is hilarious.

00:37:23.000 People will be asking this dude if he tattooed his boyfriend's face, his name on his face for the rest of his life.

00:37:30.000 All right.

00:37:31.000 Our next topic.

00:37:33.000 Our next topic, Charlie, is the Veepstakes.

00:37:37.000 Ah, okay.

00:37:37.000 Trump's going to win the nomination.

00:37:39.000 Who's he going to pick as vice presidential pick?

00:37:42.000 Turns out there's been a lot of discussion of this lately.

00:37:44.000 The odds are shifting rapidly.

00:37:47.000 I'm super curious about that.

00:37:48.000 Then I'll tell you about my conversation with Trump.

00:37:50.000 Oh, that's amazing.

00:37:51.000 So the Betfair favorite right now, and this caught me really off guard looking it up just now.

00:37:57.000 Currently, the favorite on Betfair, which is a British betting site.

00:38:00.000 You can bet on this thing in the UK.

00:38:01.000 You're blocked if you try to visit in the U.S.

00:38:03.000 But they have the favorite right now as Christy Noam.

00:38:06.000 So still not strong odds.

00:38:06.000 Five to one.

00:38:10.000 Second place is Vivek.

00:38:12.000 And then Elise Stefanik.

00:38:15.000 And then the next three, this is another strange one.

00:38:20.000 Tim or no, Tim Scott, Nikki Haley, Ben Carson.

00:38:23.000 And then in seventh place, Tulsi Gabbard.

00:38:27.000 So top seven.

00:38:27.000 Hmm.

00:38:30.000 I'm not going to say any like name details, but the president has not made up his mind and very much open to a lot of different ideas.

00:38:38.000 And we had a real robust conversation about it.

00:38:41.000 And he wants to win.

00:38:43.000 And he's getting, I'll tell you right now, there are, here's what I can tell you.

00:38:47.000 He is being actively lobbied by like five or six different camps on this right now.

00:38:51.000 Be shocked if and the name the name I think that we should really push for to be in the mix as a finalist is JD Vance.

00:38:58.000 I think JD Vance is a finalist, right?

00:38:59.000 Tyler, do you think that would make sense?

00:39:01.000 Yeah, JD Vance is the top pick.

00:39:03.000 Um, you know, I think Elise Stefanik would be the first little person ever as VP. 0.92

00:39:09.000 So she's she's right.

00:39:10.000 How tall is she? 1.00

00:39:11.000 I think she's an LP.

00:39:12.000 She's not that little.

00:39:14.000 She's not.

00:39:14.000 I'm going to look it up.

00:39:15.000 I'm looking at a picture.

00:39:16.000 No, I just saw her the other day.

00:39:18.000 She's not that little.

00:39:19.000 She's not.

00:39:20.000 She's like, well, that's okay.

00:39:22.000 5'4 is a normal height.

00:39:24.000 Limb lengthening.

00:39:25.000 Yeah.

00:39:26.000 Tanya is Tanya is 5'3.

00:39:28.000 Yeah, but she's okay.

00:39:30.000 Well, I mean.

00:39:33.000 So you're saying Tanya should be vice president, Jack?

00:39:35.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:39:36.000 Yeah, but Tanya's ineligible in this country. 1.00

00:39:40.000 I just think, I just don't know if that's going to add much to the ticket.

00:39:43.000 I can't believe Jack's calling for men to override the Constitution.

00:39:46.000 I like JD because he's a very thoughtful communicator of the America First Agenda.

00:39:52.000 He's from a younger demo.

00:39:53.000 He's in his 30s still. 0.99

00:39:55.000 I have a plan.

00:39:56.000 The perfect plan.

00:39:57.000 Yes.

00:39:57.000 Is it the Ohio Switcheroo?

00:39:59.000 The Ohio Switcheroo.

00:40:00.000 Yes.

00:40:01.000 You get JD in as VP, and then you force DeWine to put in Vivek as senator.

00:40:09.000 That's the what if Dewine just says no, whatever.

00:40:15.000 No, wrong.

00:40:16.000 This is not great.

00:40:16.000 Nerf gun, Nerf gun.

00:40:18.000 Yeah, I mean, so, so just, you know, we asked our audience on YouTube over 124,000 people responded, and Vivek won with 67% of the vote of YouTube.

00:40:18.000 He means Nerf gun.

00:40:31.000 Now, mind you, that makes sense.

00:40:33.000 YouTube is a lot of young, right, right-wing Bitcoin, you know, men, kind of like crypto.

00:40:40.000 Oh, my goodness, Ripple is going to go to $10.

00:40:42.000 Like, no, it's actually still at $50.

00:40:43.000 I think I want Vivek to have a political job before he gets.

00:40:48.000 I think Vivek would be great.

00:40:48.000 I love his president.

00:40:50.000 Do I think Vivek helps with independence?

00:40:50.000 I've liked what he's doing.

00:40:52.000 I think he helps with a very particular demo, which is late 20, early 30-something, high IQ, professional, college-educated millennial men who listen to Rogan, listen to long-form podcasting.

00:41:04.000 That kind of RFK demo, I think that Vivek could help with.

00:41:09.000 Do I think Vivek helps with single women? 1.00

00:41:11.000 No.

00:41:12.000 Do I think he helps with suburban moms?

00:41:14.000 Probably not.

00:41:15.000 But I do think, and also old people love Vivek. 0.85

00:41:17.000 Like they love Vivek.

00:41:18.000 Now, the question is: do you need Vivek on a ticket to get that benefit?

00:41:21.000 I think he could be a great surrogate for the future.

00:41:23.000 Yeah, he could be a surrogate.

00:41:24.000 Yeah.

00:41:25.000 I guess the ship has sailed here.

00:41:26.000 I agree.

00:41:27.000 He could have been a cool guy with the RNC, some sort of role like that.

00:41:30.000 No, he'd be a great U.S. Senator.

00:41:32.000 Hopefully.

00:41:33.000 Because the problem is if you lose JD, you got to win.

00:41:36.000 That happens after the winning.

00:41:38.000 I understand, but you lose JD, though.

00:41:41.000 Like, then Vivek can become solid.

00:41:44.000 He'd be awesome.

00:41:45.000 Because he'd be front face, super popular.

00:41:48.000 We have no one cool in the U.S. Senate if he isn't cool.

00:41:51.000 We got Holly.

00:41:51.000 He's cool.

00:41:52.000 Yeah, but like even Holly isn't Vivek, right?

00:41:55.000 Holly.

00:41:56.000 That's true.

00:41:57.000 Vivek could do things because of the way that he's run his campaign thus far, where it's like he can literally be the front face of opposition for everything that the Democrats do and get away with it.

00:42:10.000 Do you think, Jack, that this VP selection will be the more important, I want to say the most, but one of the more important VP selections of our lifetime?

00:42:22.000 So, yes, and no.

00:42:25.000 I think that it's important because, but for not the reasons that we're talking about.

00:42:30.000 So I think it's important because Trump is terminal limited to one term.

00:42:36.000 Now, as far as we know, he doesn't, at least as of now, intend to declare himself president for life the way that MSNBC is telling us.

00:42:45.000 And of course, MSNBC has many things to say lately.

00:42:49.000 So we'll see.

00:42:50.000 But no, if you just look at it on paper, whoever gets the VP nod from Trump on this one while he's the odds-on favorite to become president is really launched into contention for being a potential two-term president.

00:43:02.000 So you could take a guy like JD Vance, who hasn't even been in office now for two years, the same way Barack Obama was only in office, also from the Midwest, by the way.

00:43:12.000 Well, not going to say Barack Obama is from the Midwest, but a Midwest state where he was senator.

00:43:17.000 That he, you know, had only been a senator for two years and then springboarded into the presidency.

00:43:23.000 This is a huge springboard for somebody going forward and really someone who's going to be that kind of that working, you know, that working horse, putting the plow to the wheel every single day for the party going forward, especially a young guy like JD, that'd be incredible.

00:43:39.000 But then as far as the actual electoral benefits of it, I just, I'm not seeing it.

00:43:45.000 I, I, you know, people have said, um, there's a lot of buzz around Tulsi Gabbard saying, oh, put on a, you know, she's female, she's non-white. 0.97

00:43:52.000 She's a former Democrat.

00:43:53.000 I got a drama.

00:43:54.000 Tulsi Gabbard is a bad idea to have a liberal who used to run the DNC as the vice president of the United States. 1.00

00:44:03.000 Well, here, to finish my thoughts real quick, it's, I don't think any of these ideas are going to pick up votes.

00:44:10.000 I don't think there's any, any of the names are going to change anyone's opinion of Donald Trump at this point.

00:44:16.000 It's baked in.

00:44:17.000 People know what it is.

00:44:18.000 They know who they're voting for.

00:44:21.000 No one is going to change their votes based on who Donald Trump picks as vice president.

00:44:25.000 This is why I did, I like, this is why I liked Tucker Carlson last fall.

00:44:30.000 I would talk about this.

00:44:31.000 I don't think it can work anymore.

00:44:32.000 I still, I like certain elements of it.

00:44:36.000 I'm worried he's increased potential downside with the Russia stuff that we've talked about.

00:44:41.000 Not so much the interview they were going to complain about, stuff like that anyway, but him going into the subway system and talking about how great it is.

00:44:49.000 That can get you open to attacks that are just annoying to deal with.

00:44:53.000 The reason I liked Tucker was it wasn't so much that you flip people's votes.

00:44:57.000 It's that you create a vibe, a narrative around the campaign.

00:45:02.000 It would make it, oh, you have Trump and you have Tucker.

00:45:05.000 They're both transgressive.

00:45:06.000 They both drive people you don't like absolutely insane.

00:45:10.000 They both are really, you know, they're credibly promising to do big changes and people can kind of trust them to execute on that.

00:45:16.000 And you give a whole energy to the campaign and that can drive your rallies, that drives the news coverage and it increases your turnout.

00:45:23.000 And it sort of subtly affects how people view the whole campaign.

00:45:28.000 And that I can see having a positive outcome. 0.55

00:45:31.000 But all this stuff that's just, you know, you're going down a checklist and like, okay, well, this candidate is not white, but this candidate is a woman. 0.56

00:45:40.000 This candidate's both, but they're not really from, you know, a swing state.

00:45:44.000 It's like a committee.

00:45:45.000 You're just grabbing biographical facts about them and trying to get the ideal Veep.

00:45:50.000 I don't think you get many votes that way.

00:45:52.000 And I dislike that that's what a lot of the candidates feel like to me.

00:45:56.000 Like, like Elise Stefanik.

00:45:57.000 Elise Stefanik, they like her because she's a woman, I think, and has said nice things.

00:46:03.000 A couple of things.

00:46:04.000 Elise is young.

00:46:05.000 She's a mother.

00:46:05.000 She's in leadership at the House Conference.

00:46:08.000 So that goes some way.

00:46:09.000 She has a legit scalp that has moved donors to really like her when she went after the Ivy League schools.

00:46:16.000 And she has leaned in and capitalized on that.

00:46:19.000 I was just in Palm Beach.

00:46:20.000 And to Elise's credit, she's a smart cookie, Tyler.

00:46:24.000 She gave a speech in front of donors and activists.

00:46:26.000 She mentioned turning point three or four times.

00:46:28.000 Wow.

00:46:28.000 We had one staffer there.

00:46:29.000 She, you know, she's a smart person.

00:46:31.000 She gets it.

00:46:31.000 She knows what she's doing.

00:46:32.000 She was like, I can't say, you know, we had Josh there and she was, she was all, we didn't ask her to.

00:46:38.000 This makes me uncomfortable.

00:46:39.000 Elise Stefanik was not a conservative member of the House.

00:46:43.000 And then she latched really hard onto Trump.

00:46:46.000 She is an ambitious woman.

00:46:47.000 She wants to rise as high as she is. 1.00

00:46:49.000 There's nothing wrong with ambition.

00:46:50.000 There is a lot that's wrong with ambition.

00:46:53.000 The Bible does have much to say condemning pride, and ambition is a type of pride.

00:46:57.000 That depends.

00:46:58.000 You could be ambitious for good purposes, but yes.

00:47:00.000 It is.

00:47:01.000 But what I would say, Stefan, this is just a read of mine.

00:47:04.000 Stephaniek doesn't give me a 100% trustworthy vibe.

00:47:08.000 King David was ambitious.

00:47:08.000 Fair enough.

00:47:09.000 He started. 0.58

00:47:10.000 And King David sent off the woman's husband to get murdered.

00:47:15.000 Not a great moment.

00:47:16.000 And she's never been hungry about coming to turning point events.

00:47:19.000 No, that's true.

00:47:20.000 I'm just what I'm saying is it is my ruling.

00:47:22.000 That's my ruler.

00:47:23.000 It's a data point.

00:47:24.000 And I've known Elise for a while.

00:47:26.000 Is I'm just saying that at that particular venue, she knew what she was doing by mentioning Turning Point a couple times, right?

00:47:33.000 And I was just saying, I was in Palm Beach last week, met with Trump.

00:47:36.000 The amount of people that were talking about Elise in donor circles was like a fever pitch.

00:47:41.000 It was like the Elise Stephanie fan club.

00:47:43.000 And I was like, you know, great, fine.

00:47:46.000 I don't actually, I don't share that like anti-Elise sentiment, but I'm open to it.

00:47:51.000 I will say on foreign policy, we're on different planets.

00:47:54.000 Yeah, she has relative, relative to other Veep picks. 0.99

00:47:58.000 I think it is important that a major consideration here be the person Trump picks will be has, frankly, a measurable chance of becoming president.

00:48:08.000 Trump is old, he could die, or be incapacitated.

00:48:12.000 And just also, he only has one term.

00:48:15.000 So whoever his Veep is, is very much an automatic favorite to be the next nominee should he win.

00:48:20.000 Can I add something into this?

00:48:22.000 Because we brought him up a few different times.

00:48:25.000 But truly, in every poll from 2015 to today, the most popular, likable Republican that exists in America is Ben Carson.

00:48:35.000 I'm a big Ben Carson believer.

00:48:37.000 I know there's a lot of nasal.

00:48:38.000 Not for any people say, oh, Charlie, you know, we get these emails, DEI.

00:48:41.000 It's not about any of that.

00:48:42.000 He's qualified. 1.00

00:48:42.000 No, no, he's ridiculous. 1.00

00:48:43.000 I don't even care about that. 0.99

00:48:44.000 I told you.

00:48:45.000 I don't even care about qualifications, skin color, anything.

00:48:47.000 He's likable.

00:48:48.000 Yes, he is.

00:48:49.000 Ben Carson, if the only thing that mattered was get, you know, to the end of November and you are the president-elect, I would love Ben Carson as a pick because all the reasons you say, I think he is likable.

00:49:03.000 I think he's ethical.

00:49:04.000 He's likable.

00:49:05.000 He's ethical.

00:49:06.000 He will, there's like zero downside to him.

00:49:10.000 Gives, you know, kind of more of a stable aura to things.

00:49:13.000 It's sort of, you know, Mike Pence without all the things that have discredited Mike Pence.

00:49:18.000 But I guess I have to imagine if Ben Carson is president, would he be able to execute on the agenda we want a U.S. president to execute?

00:49:27.000 And he just, I think he's a good guy.

00:49:29.000 I think he'd be great if he were a president in one of those countries where the president is a much more of a ceremonial, low activity leader.

00:49:37.000 But I guess this is going to say Ben Carson seems lower energy to me.

00:49:41.000 It's hard for me to envision him just like ruthlessly making sure that a MAGA agenda is carried out.

00:49:47.000 This is the number one thing that people say is that he's low energy, that he's not sleepy is a word.

00:49:53.000 Sleepy.

00:49:54.000 He's timid.

00:49:55.000 He's, he's, uh, but I actually think that that's the balance you need in a Trump run because, again, we have to get across the finish line here.

00:50:05.000 And Ben Carson, next to really anyone the Democrats could potentially put up for VP, is going to make the Republican Party look good.

00:50:15.000 No matter, no matter what.

00:50:16.000 I can't think of a single person that would be able to hurt us with a Ben Carson.

00:50:23.000 And again, this is just like you, then you can utilize Ben Carson surrogate-wise as a legitimate him not being VP.

00:50:31.000 Can you imagine him debating Kamala Harris?

00:50:33.000 Okay, but let's go to one number that I think is important.

00:50:36.000 Donald Trump, when he won the presidency in 1916, won 81% of evangelical voters.

00:50:40.000 In 2020, it was 77%.

00:50:43.000 Do you think Ben Carson could get us back to 81 or above?

00:50:46.000 Yes or no?

00:50:48.000 I don't see him as super important in the other room.

00:50:50.000 You know the grassroots.

00:50:51.000 I say, yes.

00:50:52.000 Jack, I know that you have some reservations of Ben Carson, but do you hear me out?

00:50:56.000 Evangelical, winning over evangelical voters in Wisconsin, Georgia.

00:51:00.000 Do you think we would get above Project 81, above 81, right?

00:51:05.000 With evangelical voters, because we had a four-point dip in 2020.

00:51:11.000 Well, so here's one of the issues, maybe, but here's one of the other issues there that could really come back around: does Ben Carson make abortion and now lately IVF more central to the campaign while President Trump has, as we saw from last week, I think during our show, he had a not a tweet, but a truth up about IVF at a time where he's trying to not make those central.

00:51:40.000 I think Ben Carson would have the same effect of turning out the left by making those issues central, which the Democrats won.

00:51:47.000 Okay, fair enough.

00:51:48.000 I do think, though, that he can neutralize some of the, and it's kind of bubbling up.

00:51:55.000 If you were a left-wing op, you would want all of a sudden the right to be talking about COVID again.

00:51:58.000 Like some of the kind of COVID skepticism that people have towards Trump.

00:52:02.000 Ben Carson was great on those sort of issues.

00:52:05.000 Do we have to worry that they'll, you know, did we, did we speak about it?

00:52:10.000 Did we speak about the pyramids thing?

00:52:12.000 I think it's hilarious.

00:52:13.000 I think it's funny, but do we worry he could get like they'll just try to smear him.

00:52:17.000 Well, not even Christian National. 0.96

00:52:18.000 They're just trying to say he's dumb because what he said about the pyramids. 0.96

00:52:21.000 They were built to store grain. 0.98

00:52:23.000 They just were not built to do that.

00:52:24.000 Hold on.

00:52:25.000 So they do give you a free grainery in the civilization game.

00:52:28.000 Is it true that there were no hieroglyphics found in any of the pyramids?

00:52:31.000 I feel like I heard that smear.

00:52:32.000 He said that the pyramid, and I don't hold to this view.

00:52:34.000 He said they were built by Joseph to store grain.

00:52:37.000 Did I say David?

00:52:38.000 Sorry.

00:52:38.000 Yeah, Thompson.

00:52:40.000 And I mean, look, Ben Carson is objectively a genius.

00:52:43.000 You could be a genius and believe in a couple things that might be unsubstantiated. 1.00

00:52:48.000 I mean, you don't separate conjoined twins and then you call him like, oh, he's a moron. 0.99

00:52:54.000 Can I also say something that's literal brainstorming? 0.93

00:52:57.000 Ben Carson is the only one out of this group that we can confidently say will not likely run for president in 2028.

00:53:06.000 So that's the question: is do we want, Jack?

00:53:08.000 I'll throw this to you.

00:53:09.000 Do we want an heir apparent or do we want kind of a bridge placeholder?

00:53:13.000 Do we want someone that is going to try to be a George H.W. Bush?

00:53:17.000 Or do we want someone that's like, I'm serving one term as VP?

00:53:21.000 This is great.

00:53:22.000 So, yeah, this has been my vote from the start, going all the back to 2022 on this question.

00:53:28.000 It's something that's a name that nobody has mentioned yet.

00:53:32.000 And it's more of a credibility kind of thing where Trump is really making this.

00:53:37.000 And ABC actually had this as a headline at one point: that Trump's value proposition forge going into 2024 is: I will be your weapon against the federal government.

00:53:47.000 And, you know, of course, every time I post that, it gets a ton of retweets.

00:53:50.000 People love it.

00:53:51.000 And I've actually said, you know, why don't you get a guy who wants to go after the federal government in a way that we've never seen before and isn't concerned at all with running for president again and pick a guy who can actually go to work during the administration, not just someone who can, you know, sort of be a placeholder, someone who fits the, you know, the checklist like Blake was talking about, or someone who is just trying to, just trying to spend all this time being the heir apparent.

00:54:21.000 I say pick somebody like Iran Paul.

00:54:23.000 I say Rand Paul is sitting right there.

00:54:25.000 There's no one with more credibility against foreign wars.

00:54:28.000 There's no one with more credibility against the federal government.

00:54:31.000 You turn him loose on the NIH, turn him loose on the Intel community.

00:54:35.000 You turn him loose on the 702 and the wireless wiretapping, the Pfizer system.

00:54:41.000 There's your guy right there.

00:54:43.000 And imagine what kind of administration you would have with that sort of energy being involved.

00:54:47.000 Yeah, and I think that in a multi-candidate race, I think we have to be careful not to try to make the VP the 2028 era parent, right, Tyler?

00:54:47.000 Yeah.

00:54:57.000 I think that regardless of what happens, we need a very robust 2028 primary that doesn't have like the incumbency of the VP.

00:55:05.000 Like that's way too consequential.

00:55:07.000 So from Trump's calculus, Tyler.

00:55:10.000 But you'll have that either way.

00:55:12.000 Yeah, but not if you have like kind of the most, I don't think Ben Carson is going to, maybe I'm wrong.

00:55:18.000 Okay, yeah, right.

00:55:19.000 Ben, probably not.

00:55:20.000 Right.

00:55:21.000 But if you have JD Vance, JD Vance would definitely look at that as like, I am the heir to the MAGA throne, right?

00:55:28.000 Whether that's Trump's intent or not, right?

00:55:31.000 And so these are all things that Trump has to consider.

00:55:35.000 So Tyler, who would be the worst pick?

00:55:40.000 Not the worst person.

00:55:41.000 They speak at our events.

00:55:42.000 I'm talking about who could potentially do the most damage because we saw with McCain Palin in 2008 that if you don't pick, and I like Sarah Palin a lot, it just wasn't a good pick.

00:55:53.000 You know, I think the worst pick he could make is Joe Biden.

00:55:59.000 That would be a bad choice.

00:56:00.000 I don't think he should pick Joe Biden to be his V. Out of the ones being considered that are on like the longer short list, you know, obviously the conversation is like, don't pick Nikki Haley, right?

00:56:11.000 So like Nikki Haley would ultimately result in this becoming a massive problem for the party in 2028, especially if she's smart, which she hasn't proven she is, to act MAGA for four years, which she probably couldn't contain herself to do. 0.99

00:56:28.000 But outside of that, I think that's part of the reason why a lot of people have issues with Lisa Stefanik, because they just don't trust her.

00:56:34.000 And anyone in servers, you inherently.

00:56:36.000 Yeah, all of those people are there.

00:56:38.000 So it's like, you want kind of a new face, which is part of the reason why I think Tulsi is being considered.

00:56:43.000 Part of the reason, I mean, and I'll remind people too, Christy Noam was one of the worst voters in Congress as a Republican.

00:56:49.000 Yeah, she was.

00:56:50.000 And I'll just say this from my point.

00:56:52.000 I'm not going to say this for Charlie or speaking on behalf of the children.

00:56:55.000 And I get along with Christy.

00:56:56.000 Yeah.

00:56:56.000 I've known her for a while.

00:56:57.000 She's been a really good governor.

00:57:00.000 I don't know if I put her in the great category, but a good governor. 1.00

00:57:02.000 The trans thing was no good. 1.00

00:57:04.000 A good governor. 1.00

00:57:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:57:05.000 Even she was one of the worst congressmen that we had. 1.00

00:57:08.000 And even on COVID, which is the main reason she rose so quickly, it's just that the South Dakota legislature didn't pass anything.

00:57:15.000 Well, it's also that the state is socially distanced by default.

00:57:18.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:57:19.000 You know, I left and half the population was gone.

00:57:21.000 No, only one was left who was.

00:57:22.000 It takes 45 minutes to find your neighbor.

00:57:24.000 On JD Vance, I like Vance.

00:57:24.000 Yeah.

00:57:28.000 You like Vance.

00:57:29.000 All of us here love Vance.

00:57:30.000 He's great to us.

00:57:31.000 Sounds like Trump picked.

00:57:32.000 Is Vance a great politician?

00:57:37.000 Because all I'll say is...

00:57:39.000 He's a great person.

00:57:40.000 I'm sure he is.

00:57:41.000 I don't know.

00:57:42.000 And I have friends of mine who worked with him.

00:57:44.000 They all say positive things.

00:57:45.000 Great.

00:57:46.000 But he ran in Ohio and he didn't crush the Ohio primary.

00:57:52.000 It was a pretty tough primary.

00:57:53.000 I can't remember who he was, that guy he was running against, but it was a tough primary.

00:57:57.000 He needed some help with Trump to get over the hump.

00:58:01.000 And so do we think that he will add a lot to the ticket VEP-wise?

00:58:06.000 I think that JD, I mean, look, every single one of these people adds something.

00:58:11.000 I think JD is far smoother with the media than we give him credit for.

00:58:14.000 JD is a true believer.

00:58:16.000 He is the closest that he, that if there was someone like who's, who's more in the mold of what Turning Point believes, JD is as close as we get in like American government.

00:58:26.000 I mean, seriously.

00:58:27.000 Yeah.

00:58:29.000 He showed us some real bona fides in Munich, Germany at that conference while being contrarian and being very agreeable in the way he did it, right?

00:58:39.000 He also, he's incredibly polished.

00:58:41.000 He has a high IQ.

00:58:42.000 He went to Yale, which, you know, we don't necessarily like, but he, he, but I'm saying, though, that he has a law degree from Yale, served in the military, checks a lot of those boxes, serves in the heartland.

00:58:53.000 But I will go back to the age.

00:58:55.000 You have Cammy, Joe Biden, Trump, and you have just a younger face.

00:59:00.000 I do think that if there was a pick, I would think less in terms of, oh, black voter or female, and more in terms of younger and older contrast.

00:59:09.000 That's actually, I think that actually strikes more of a age is good.

00:59:14.000 What I like is, like I said with Tucker, narrative.

00:59:17.000 Who is strengthening the themes that make a person want to vote for Trump?

00:59:22.000 I love JD a lot.

00:59:23.000 The media does.

00:59:24.000 That they do.

00:59:25.000 And I can just see, and you know, you can see it pushing their buttons where they'll just like, they won't be able to help themselves and they'll come out and they'll say, two white men on a ticket.

00:59:34.000 What is this?

00:59:35.000 A year where America was still a great country. 0.62

00:59:39.000 Well, and don't forget that JD Vance also is somebody who has a ton of name ID because of the book, because of the Netflix movie, and the fact that I believe, which I know we're going to be talking about in a minute, he represents the white roll rage. 0.52

00:59:58.000 Well, and think about this too.

00:59:59.000 And here's the other point that's really important.

01:00:01.000 So let's look at the legit.

01:00:02.000 So Charlie asked the question, who's okay, basically, right?

01:00:06.000 In my book, who's okay is Ben Carson, JD Vance, Byron Donalds, and throw Vivek in there, but I don't think Vivek has a real shot.

01:00:17.000 So, but let's throw Vivek in there.

01:00:20.000 Here's the reason why I agree with a lot of people that the slow thing to not pugnacious enough thing on the front with Ben Carson, just slightly under that.

01:00:29.000 So if you had to break it down, I think Byron is a better pick than Tim Scott because Tim Scott gives you what Charlie said is like you've got Chamber of Commerce influenced Stephonic-ish toy mold.

01:00:41.000 So you have Elise, you have Tim, you have, you know, really bad former congresswoman, Chrissy Noam, a decent governor, Chrissy Noam, that really doesn't add anything to you.

01:00:49.000 So it comes down to me.

01:00:51.000 It's like, okay, JD and Byron, both similar ages.

01:00:56.000 Young.

01:00:56.000 That's right.

01:00:57.000 That's why Don Byron.

01:00:58.000 About my age.

01:00:59.000 They're a little older, I think.

01:01:00.000 The thing with Byron is you would need.

01:01:04.000 Let me just say this on Byron.

01:01:05.000 So then the question then becomes, which is less tricky out of the two?

01:01:10.000 Which, like, what gives you more?

01:01:13.000 I like, just from a marketing standpoint, Trump Vance says a lot like Trump Pence.

01:01:17.000 But here's more important.

01:01:17.000 It's real easy.

01:01:18.000 Or the Donalds.

01:01:20.000 And then Charlie said you have the Donalds.

01:01:20.000 You have the Donald.

01:01:22.000 So you have Trump, you have Trump Vance, replacing Trump Pence, and then you have the Donalds.

01:01:26.000 So Donald Trump and Byron Donalds.

01:01:29.000 No, you know what you do with that, by the way.

01:01:32.000 I was just going to say, here's the difference because I'm taking forever to get to us.

01:01:35.000 JD speaks Midwest.

01:01:38.000 We have to win Wisconsin.

01:01:40.000 We have to win Michigan.

01:01:42.000 He's right over the border.

01:01:44.000 He's the only, he makes the most sense.

01:01:46.000 That is why I do bring up the politician question is because Vance did win.

01:01:51.000 He is totally turning point.

01:01:51.000 I agree.

01:01:52.000 I agree with Brad convincingly.

01:01:54.000 Won by eight points.

01:01:55.000 Well, he won by eight points.

01:01:57.000 That's a good candidate in the context of a good candidate.

01:02:00.000 He came out of nowhere.

01:02:01.000 It was an open seat with a retiring Republican in a year where we didn't get the red wave, but John Brian's a good candidate, though.

01:02:08.000 He's the Russ Bell.

01:02:08.000 He had a lot of money.

01:02:09.000 Name ID.

01:02:10.000 That wasn't a two or three point race.

01:02:12.000 I'm just making six or eight points.

01:02:13.000 Well, I guess what I mean is.

01:02:14.000 He underperformed Trump, but still, I mean.

01:02:17.000 So let me check how Ohio did.

01:02:20.000 JD was he won by the like 11 and 20.

01:02:22.000 That's what I mean.

01:02:23.000 So Trump won Ohio also by eight in 2020.

01:02:26.000 Can I 2020 22 was more in our favor overall because we won the House.

01:02:31.000 And yet, so if Vance only won by eight, he underperformed Trump in Ohio.

01:02:35.000 Against a very good candidate who was an incumbent congressman who had a district to run and he raised a lot of money.

01:02:40.000 Massive, he was like the most popular democracy.

01:02:42.000 Tim Ryan was like, he was running for Ryan Randwell for sure.

01:02:46.000 I guess I'm just saying if we're looking at this as he has special political appeal, I'm not sure that Vance has proven he's really dominant.

01:02:56.000 But as a contrast, is that what you want?

01:02:57.000 We've mentioned Ron Johnson several times.

01:03:00.000 What Ron Johnson has done in Wisconsin is a lot more impressive than what Vance did in Ohio.

01:03:06.000 So Ron Johnson is not in the running for a couple of reasons.

01:03:09.000 Number one, they don't think the way we do about Wisconsin.

01:03:11.000 Number two, you lose a Senate seat.

01:03:13.000 Like you just, you lose a Senate seat.

01:03:15.000 And we learned the lesson from Alabama with bad.

01:03:18.000 You don't do that.

01:03:19.000 Like, that's a bad idea.

01:03:20.000 Don't make your VP or a cabinet secretary where you lose a Senate seat.

01:03:25.000 I love the Johnson idea.

01:03:26.000 I would be open to it.

01:03:27.000 I just think JD is a better pick because, again, Ron can help you.

01:03:34.000 I think you make Ron the ultimate surrogate in Wisconsin.

01:03:39.000 You have to make him chairman of the Trump campaign for Wisconsin.

01:03:41.000 Totally.

01:03:42.000 You have to make him chairman of the Trump campaign for co-chair of the John campaign.

01:03:45.000 Yeah, I mean, literally, Ron Johnson's that important.

01:03:49.000 So Byron Donalds, you had a concern.

01:03:50.000 Is it that they're both from the same state, Blake?

01:03:52.000 So they're both from Florida.

01:03:53.000 So I mentioned that to President Trump.

01:03:55.000 I was like, you know, he's going to have to get a condo in Houston.

01:03:57.000 He's like, that's a good point.

01:03:59.000 And so how would that work with his congressional seat?

01:04:01.000 Would he have to give up his community?

01:04:02.000 He would because you have to be a resident of the state you represent.

01:04:06.000 You don't have to be in the district.

01:04:07.000 You have to be in the state.

01:04:08.000 Yes.

01:04:09.000 So then if he were to get a condom.

01:04:10.000 Trump would have to move or you'd have to resign.

01:04:12.000 Trump will not move.

01:04:13.000 That's exactly what I mean.

01:04:14.000 It's just, it's not in Trump's character to even though he has all these properties.

01:04:18.000 So then Byron would move to Houston or like to Georgia and lose his congressional seat.

01:04:24.000 He would have to, I believe he would have to resign.

01:04:26.000 For us, shrinking our House majority and him losing a very popular Collier County deep red seat.

01:04:32.000 I think Trump would just take residency in New Jersey.

01:04:34.000 No, I don't at all.

01:04:35.000 I suppose he's enjoying paying 0% tax and like he's got all of his businesses in Florida.

01:04:40.000 I don't think that's going to happen at all.

01:04:42.000 Oh, with the truth.

01:04:44.000 With the truth deal?

01:04:44.000 The truth money.

01:04:47.000 He wants to pay 11% New Jersey income tax with the true social debt.

01:04:51.000 The truth money keeps him in Florida.

01:04:52.000 The truth is about the D-Spec and is supposed to like, he's got like make $4 billion. 0.65

01:04:58.000 He wants to have 0% income tax.

01:05:00.000 Now, maybe Trump goes to Vegas for his Trump hotel there.

01:05:05.000 I will admit, this annoys me.

01:05:07.000 This annoys me a little bit.

01:05:08.000 0% income tax.

01:05:10.000 It annoys me a little bit that Trump could easily move.

01:05:14.000 He could still sit in Mar-a-Lago as much as he wants. 0.84

01:05:18.000 It would be easy for him to do it given the range and the fact that he's not representing anywhere, but it's just not in his character to do that pain in the butt thing.

01:05:27.000 Trump will not move out of Florida.

01:05:28.000 He just won't move out of Florida.

01:05:30.000 He didn't live in Florida when he ran last year.

01:05:32.000 Byron would have to forsake his House seat, which would then further shrink our House majority.

01:05:38.000 It's a bad idea.

01:05:39.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:05:40.000 And specifically, he would have to give it up, I believe, while running because he'd have to.

01:05:45.000 I don't think we touched on this.

01:05:47.000 Well, that's an interesting question.

01:05:48.000 Like, Ron Johnson, at least, he doesn't have to quit for the chat, just so everybody has.

01:05:52.000 No, no, I think it's while he's running, Blake.

01:05:54.000 You can't be president and vice president coming from the same state.

01:05:57.000 Yeah, so that means that he has to get all this sorted out before the election.

01:06:01.000 Well, I'm saying Ron Johnson wouldn't.

01:06:02.000 Ron Johnson could just run on the Spanish.

01:06:03.000 Byron would have to like buy a condo in Texas.

01:06:08.000 Exactly.

01:06:08.000 And everyone knows it's the 12th Amendment, right, to the Constitution, if I'm not mistaken.

01:06:12.000 Yeah, but I mean, but they're not worried about that because they can replace Byron with anybody because of DeSantis.

01:06:19.000 Yeah, but, well, first of all, it's not an appointment, right?

01:06:22.000 It's a special election, usually.

01:06:23.000 It's a governor of the Senate seats.

01:06:25.000 Oh, I guess it would be because it would be.

01:06:27.000 12th Amendment, yes.

01:06:28.000 Well, it might be too close to the election.

01:06:29.000 So it would be...

01:06:30.000 Oh, no, I guess they would have to do a special election. 0.88

01:06:33.000 Yeah, they have to do a special.

01:06:34.000 It would be a mess.

01:06:35.000 It would create a mess.

01:06:36.000 And by the way, our House majority is like Florida.

01:06:38.000 The funny thing is, by the way, the exact specifics are it's not that you can't have a president and vice president from the same state.

01:06:46.000 It's that electors cannot cast their president or vice president.

01:06:52.000 Exactly.

01:06:52.000 So in theory, we could win in a landslide.

01:06:56.000 Let's like not even hear this.

01:06:58.000 Like we finally turned Florida into a deep red state and we're finding a way to like royally put this into jeopardy.

01:07:06.000 That's a bad idea.

01:07:07.000 Now, I guess what you could do is, in theory, you could really stretch the limits of this.

01:07:12.000 If you get the landslide, it doesn't matter.

01:07:12.000 You could run.

01:07:15.000 And then if it is close enough after the election, but before the Electoral College meets, you quickly have Byron, Donaldson.

01:07:24.000 They would sue and they would say that the electors were actually elected under the pretenses that they were in the same state.

01:07:29.000 Ooh, wow.

01:07:31.000 Right.

01:07:31.000 We're getting in layers like Lauren.

01:07:33.000 Lord tried to file that lawsuit. 0.79

01:07:34.000 Oh, yeah.

01:07:36.000 Let's not give them any rope here.

01:07:38.000 Wait, are you saying that they wouldn't?

01:07:38.000 No, but I like that.

01:07:40.000 No, they wouldn't certify.

01:07:41.000 They would not certify.

01:07:42.000 The Democrats would not live up to the rules they play for us.

01:07:46.000 So in closing here, we've gotten almost nowhere on the Veep stakes.

01:07:49.000 So Jack, all that being said, who do you like?

01:07:52.000 Rand Paul.

01:07:54.000 Okay.

01:07:54.000 That's not going to happen.

01:07:56.000 So Rand Paul.

01:07:57.000 It's not going to happen.

01:07:58.000 I think it's interesting, but he's not in the running.

01:08:00.000 By the way, Trump and Rand Paul are like kind of like arguing right now.

01:08:04.000 Okay.

01:08:06.000 Let's each pick one.

01:08:08.000 Of the top seven, we'll repeat the top seven and we'll each pick one from that.

01:08:11.000 How about?

01:08:12.000 So the top seven that we have are Noam, Donalds, Gabbard, Tim Scott, Vivek, DeSantis.

01:08:24.000 Did I miss one there?

01:08:25.000 So if I were to say who I think Trump just kind of based on everything, I think that Elise Byron and Tim Scott and JD seem to have the most chatter in Trump world.

01:08:38.000 Tim Scott would be such a mistake.

01:08:38.000 Okay.

01:08:40.000 So tell us why.

01:08:42.000 Look, we call him all the time the Chamber of Consultants.

01:08:46.000 Tim Scott, you saw how much gravitas he had in the run for president.

01:08:52.000 Nobody likes him.

01:08:53.000 He basically is just like, I look at Tim Scott, I just see him just as like a smiling guy, just like standing by, but he is literally a puppet of the Chamber of Commerce.

01:09:03.000 He is so tight.

01:09:05.000 Well, we don't like that because the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is going to have this is if you want to set up like an H.W. Bush situation, again, by no means do I think Tim Scott is nearly the political animal that H.W. Bush was.

01:09:16.000 That's part of the reason. 0.55

01:09:18.000 That's part of the reason why.

01:09:19.000 He wouldn't assume control of the CIA.

01:09:21.000 But it's more, it's, yeah, right.

01:09:23.000 He just wouldn't.

01:09:23.000 The former chair of the RNC turn, you know, CIA had.

01:09:27.000 So I mean, he's not that guy, but he is a puppet for the types of people who are like H.W. Bush, and that's bad enough.

01:09:35.000 And so you just got to say no to that.

01:09:37.000 And personally, that's why I kind of have questions about Chrissy Noam.

01:09:42.000 Personally, that's why I have questions about Elise Devonik.

01:09:44.000 Personally, that's why I have questions about many of these other picks.

01:09:47.000 So when it comes down to it, that's why Byron is probably a little bit arm's length from all that stuff.

01:09:53.000 JD for sure is.

01:09:54.000 We've known him.

01:09:54.000 He's his own man.

01:09:55.000 He's his own guy.

01:09:57.000 And yeah, that's where we're at.

01:09:59.000 I just feel for the reasons people want to pick Tim Scott, you should just pick either Donalds or Carson instead.

01:10:07.000 Okay. 0.98

01:10:08.000 You mean for we want a black I think?

01:10:11.000 I don't think we should kid ourselves.

01:10:13.000 That is a major reason all three of those guys are being considered.

01:10:16.000 And of those three, I think Tim Scott has the most strikes against him.

01:10:21.000 The biggest strike is South Carolina can't be trusted.

01:10:24.000 I'm sorry to any listeners in South Carolina.

01:10:24.000 There's something wrong with it.

01:10:28.000 Something's off.

01:10:28.000 It does have a bad track record in modern politics.

01:10:31.000 It doesn't have, or in older politics, it didn't have the best track record.

01:10:35.000 John C. Calhoun.

01:10:36.000 Secession.

01:10:38.000 Yeah, I mean, and the authorship of the defense of slavery.

01:10:42.000 I actually think there's another name that's that's wrong.

01:10:45.000 Tell us, yeah, no, let's go to wild off-the-wall name.

01:10:47.000 We all have to not Jack kind of already did this, Ram Paul. 0.82

01:10:50.000 Give us an off-the-wall name.

01:10:51.000 So, there's a congressman in Georgia who we really like a lot named Mike Collins, who is like truck driver, born and bred, uh, businessman.

01:11:05.000 He's he's like a perfect look.

01:11:07.000 He looks like, yeah, he looks like he came out of a movie.

01:11:07.000 He's hilarious.

01:11:10.000 He's literally the greatest guy, and he comes to all of our events.

01:11:14.000 He should, he like, he attends as like an attendee for our stuff, like just loves everything.

01:11:19.000 Have you, if you're not following Mike Collins, you need to start following Mike Collins today.

01:11:24.000 He is like, he is, in my opinion, the greatest congressman out of Georgia.

01:11:28.000 He's a little bit low-key.

01:11:29.000 He posts a lot of funny memes on Twitter, but he's smart.

01:11:33.000 He's a businessman.

01:11:34.000 He's a regular guy.

01:11:35.000 And he's from a state that we have to win long term, right?

01:11:38.000 So, like, this is when it comes down to the Ron Johnson conversation.

01:11:40.000 Like, how about we put up, again, likable people who are normal that people connect with.

01:11:46.000 That would be really fantastic.

01:11:48.000 Ron Johnson is really not like a normal guy.

01:11:50.000 He's, you know, a very wealthy dude that comes from a lot of big background, but he's super likable in Wisconsin, right?

01:11:57.000 That's great.

01:11:57.000 Ben Carson, super likable.

01:11:59.000 I think JD Vance is actually really likable.

01:12:01.000 Mike Collins, really likable.

01:12:03.000 Blake, an unusual pick before we move on.

01:12:05.000 An unusual one.

01:12:08.000 You know, the weird one that popped into my head that would be a terrible idea.

01:12:12.000 So, but you've put me on the spot.

01:12:14.000 Clarence Thomas.

01:12:16.000 We would lose a Supreme Court seat.

01:12:17.000 Well, only if you win.

01:12:19.000 No, he's got to retire anyway if we win.

01:12:21.000 No, If we can win, we need Clarence.

01:12:25.000 He doesn't need to quit until you win.

01:12:27.000 No, we need Clarence on the court.

01:12:28.000 Plus, by the way, we already went through the whole Florida thing, so I won't rehash that.

01:12:32.000 But Ana Polina, Anna Polina being a VP pick would drive the left crazy, too. 1.00

01:12:37.000 Is she?

01:12:38.000 So the other ones that are in contention Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

01:12:42.000 The other one that is going to surprise people, if you really want to force the border issue and raise record money, is Greg Abbott.

01:12:50.000 I'm not a big Abbott fan, but can get a lot of booze from the Texas.

01:12:56.000 I would have Abbott over the past.

01:12:58.000 We would lose votes in Texas.

01:13:00.000 I would do Greg Abbott over Tim Scott.

01:13:03.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:05.000 Okay.

01:13:05.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:06.000 All right.

01:13:06.000 Well, then we appreciate that.

01:13:07.000 By the way, I got asked by media a couple of times about coming out, you know, forcefully against Tim Scott recently.

01:13:19.000 And, you know, not forcefully, I guess I would just say is probably not the best word, but just openly against Tim Scott being on the pick.

01:13:26.000 And I said, look, I'm just going to say it.

01:13:27.000 Tim Scott's a neocon. 0.93

01:13:29.000 He's a nice guy. 0.72

01:13:30.000 He's a friendly guy.

01:13:32.000 I think he's probably not a bad guy in any way, but he's a neocon.

01:13:37.000 He's full-throated for endless wars all over the place on foreign policy.

01:13:43.000 He is indistinguishable from Nikki Haley, and I don't think he would be a good pick based on policy.

01:13:48.000 Let's go to the next, let's go to the next topic.

01:13:50.000 The next topic is crucial to our discussion of the vice president and everything else. 0.70

01:13:55.000 It is white rural rage. 0.82

01:13:59.000 We have to play the tape. 0.84

01:14:00.000 So we have to play the tape.

01:14:01.000 Do we have it, Ryan?

01:14:02.000 The tape?

01:14:03.000 Because I think that this is being misunderstood a little bit.

01:14:06.000 The way that on social media, they're saying, oh my goodness, MSNC panelists called, you know, no, they wrote a book about it.

01:14:13.000 That's what this is that.

01:14:14.000 That's the key.

01:14:15.000 This is a published book where they have a, these are professors.

01:14:20.000 This, you know, I don't know if these guys have a romantic relationship or something, but they're sitting awfully close to it.

01:14:25.000 It's got the Manchin Romney thing going.

01:14:27.000 And even Mika was a little taken back by this guy.

01:14:32.000 Even Mika was like, all right, that's a little too hard.

01:14:34.000 Play cut 120. 0.86

01:14:36.000 White rural rage, the threat to american democracy.

01:14:41.000 And Tom, we'll start with you. 0.62

01:14:43.000 Why are white rural voters a threat to democracy at this point? 0.99

01:14:46.000 I mean, we lay out the fourfold interconnected threat that white rural voters pose to the country. 0.99

01:14:51.000 First of all, and we show 30 polls and national studies to demonstrate this. 1.00

01:14:55.000 We provide the receipts in chapter six. 0.95

01:14:57.000 They're the most racist, xenophobic, anti-immigrant, anti-gay geodemographic group in the country. 0.99

01:15:03.000 Second, they're the most conspiracist group. 0.98

01:15:05.000 QAnon support and subscribers, election denialism, COVID denialism and scientific skepticism, Obama burderism.

01:15:12.000 Third, anti-democratic sentiments.

01:15:14.000 They don't believe in an independent press, free speech.

01:15:17.000 They're most likely to say the president should be able to act unilaterally without any checks from Congress or the courts or the bureaucracy.

01:15:23.000 They're also the most strongly white nationalist and white Christian nationalists.

01:15:27.000 And fourth, they are most likely to excuse or justify violence as an acceptable alternative to peaceful public dissipation. 0.97

01:15:35.000 Holy cow. 0.89

01:15:36.000 You haven't seen that clip.

01:15:37.000 I hadn't seen the clip.

01:15:38.000 Like that is.

01:15:39.000 Oh my.

01:15:40.000 So Jack, I have to riff, please.

01:15:46.000 Well, I don't know if you, yeah, I mean, I'm sure everyone knows and the whole world knows that MSNBC has been going after me for basically a week straight saying that I'm going to end democracy, that I'm the illegal despot and all this crazy stuff out of the world.

01:16:12.000 And then MSNBC, including Mika, by the way, and she goes, and this isn't, she has to put this in context too.

01:16:19.000 These people, Mika and Rachel Maddow and Joy Reed and all of them.

01:16:23.000 And remember, I have to be nice, so I have to be nice because it's led.

01:16:26.000 That they spent all day yesterday freaking out that Trump is going to be allowed on the ballot by the Supreme Court and saying it's the end of democracy that people are allowed to vote.

01:16:39.000 And then here are two guys who are very, very upset that American citizens are going to vote in an election, but at the same time, they're screaming at like make it make sense.

01:16:52.000 Somebody please just make it make sense.

01:16:53.000 No, I mean, I joked in the chat here.

01:16:55.000 I said, do they want Pinal County to vote 90% Trump?

01:16:58.000 I mean, which is.

01:16:58.000 Oh, man.

01:16:59.000 There are places already.

01:17:00.000 I wonder if we can get like Sheridan County, where my grandparents live to get to 95%.

01:17:04.000 Now, admittedly, not.

01:17:05.000 Can we get copies of this book?

01:17:06.000 And like, I already ordered this.

01:17:08.000 I actually ordered it today.

01:17:08.000 It's funny, Jack.

01:17:09.000 You're going to make me read this book, aren't you?

01:17:11.000 100%.

01:17:12.000 And you're going to do a book summary on it.

01:17:13.000 Oh, boy. 1.00

01:17:13.000 I'm not going to read that crap. 1.00

01:17:15.000 I'm just going to show it up on TV to get people fired up. 0.99

01:17:18.000 So, but white rural rage is the title. 0.97

01:17:22.000 They say white rural voters are the most racist, most conspiracy against immigrants. 0.98

01:17:26.000 Like, yeah, they should be against illegal foreigners. 0.96

01:17:29.000 Let's really dig into this because I'm actually really angry now.

01:17:32.000 First of all, most conspiracist.

01:17:34.000 Like, okay, first of all, what are they even defining as a conspiracy?

01:17:37.000 Because I think all of these people believe in the biggest conspiracy theory in America, which is systemic racism, where racism is like the force.

01:17:44.000 It's a miasma that like is the reason that all the schools in Baltimore are bad because all of the teachers there are secretly Klansmen at night. 0.99

01:17:51.000 Like they all believe that crap. 0.99

01:17:52.000 They believe all of the police departments that are blacker than any other institution in the United States. 1.00

01:17:56.000 Like, oh, the NYPD is 30% black or whatever, but they're all systematically racist. 0.99

01:18:01.000 The Detroit Police Department, they're all racist. 1.00

01:18:03.000 They all believe that crap. 1.00

01:18:04.000 That's a conspiracy theory, but oh, it doesn't count. 1.00

01:18:06.000 Oh, they're against the freedom of the press.

01:18:08.000 You guys are against the freedom of the press.

01:18:10.000 You guys flip out anytime the press doesn't all believe the exact same things.

01:18:15.000 Oh, they're against immigration.

01:18:17.000 So what?

01:18:19.000 If a majority of people want less immigration, which polling shows they do, that is in fact the democratic position.

01:18:26.000 Small D democracy. 0.88

01:18:28.000 The people want to vote for less immigration.

01:18:31.000 You're the one saying they can't.

01:18:32.000 Who's against democracy?

01:18:34.000 Well, to be fair, Jack is play cut 130.

01:18:37.000 So now, my dear friends, I will reveal my plan of attack to you.

01:18:42.000 We will begin with ending paper ballots and ending election day.

01:18:48.000 We will remove all voter ID and all citizenship requirements for voting.

01:18:54.000 We will replace in-person voting with low-integrity mail-in options and Dropboxes.

01:18:59.000 We're going to arrest the opposition leader four times. 0.81

01:19:04.000 We'll flood the nation with millions of invaders who vote the way we want, release violent criminals into the cities, disarm the populace, remove religion from the public square.

01:19:15.000 I'm going to do it all and you can't stop me. 0.99

01:19:18.000 Folks, this is their democracy.

01:19:23.000 This is the regime that we will overturn.

01:19:27.000 So now, my dear friends, I will reveal my plan of attack.

01:19:30.000 Okay, Jack.

01:19:31.000 It's burning in.

01:19:34.000 That was a good, that's good, but they buried the lead because the phrase that I used that triggered all of them was that I said, I'm going to end democracy.

01:19:44.000 I'm going to overthrow democracy.

01:19:46.000 And I said, and it's funny because I'm like laughing in the clip.

01:19:50.000 And I go, that's right.

01:19:51.000 You know, we didn't quite get all the way there on Jan 6, folks.

01:19:54.000 We still got a little bit of democracy left.

01:19:55.000 So we got to stamp it out in the next election.

01:19:59.000 Which, you know, you'd think that people would get the irony of that statement that we're voting to end democracy.

01:20:05.000 But no, the left just isn't with that.

01:20:08.000 And then so what I go on to do is list all of the things that are currently being done.

01:20:14.000 Remember, again, we have a guy who's running for president right now, who's leading in, I think, the majority of all the polls, and certainly in all the swing states.

01:20:23.000 So the guy who's currently lead in the lead for the presidency of the United States that the entire media is championing to be stricken from the very ballot itself.

01:20:34.000 And we're basically being told now, I guess, based on this book that we're talking about, that people shouldn't even be allowed to vote if you're white, if you're rural.

01:20:45.000 Is there going to be a test?

01:20:46.000 I don't know, Blake, maybe you could design some kind of test to determine whether or not someone is a ruralite and if they would be allowed to vote or not based on their rural nicity.

01:20:57.000 No, the funny part is they want to run elections like Putin runs elections.

01:21:01.000 They have all this, they have all this animosity against Putin.

01:21:05.000 No, it's envy, really.

01:21:07.000 It's envy for envy.

01:21:09.000 It's like, well, they only want Putin envy.

01:21:12.000 Well, we only want Moscow to vote, okay?

01:21:15.000 And we don't want any opponents.

01:21:18.000 Is that the whole argument that has an election coming up?

01:21:21.000 Yeah, just all of this is the biggest projection in the universe.

01:21:23.000 The Atlantic just ran an article the other day by Russell Berman, whoever that is.

01:21:29.000 I have it on my screen if you guys want to bring it up.

01:21:31.000 How Democrats could disqualify Trump if the Supreme Court doesn't.

01:21:36.000 Without clear guidance from the court, House Democrats suggest they might not certify a Trump win on January 6th.

01:21:42.000 So we already have them laying the groundwork.

01:21:45.000 Okay, well, first of all, we try to have courts take Trump off the ballot.

01:21:48.000 Then we're going to go to the Supreme Court, have them try to keep Trump off the ballot.

01:21:52.000 If the Supreme Court doesn't keep Trump off the ballot, we can have Congress go and not let him win.

01:21:58.000 And in fact, even three years ago, we had another article in the Atlantic saying it might be Kamala Harris's job to stop the steal in 2024, where they were literally just laying the groundwork to say Kamala Harris should do what some people wanted Mike Pence to do on January 6th.

01:22:14.000 It's all the biggest projection in the universe.

01:22:16.000 They want to literally take the opposition candidate off the ballot and they're holding, they're throwing this temper tantrum.

01:22:23.000 What else did they say in that video?

01:22:25.000 They said in the video, oh, they're the people who believe the most.

01:22:27.000 It was something like violent political action or whatever.

01:22:31.000 Yeah.

01:22:31.000 In 2020, I don't think anyone burned down a drugstore in McCluskey, North Dakota.

01:22:36.000 A lot of people burned down their drugstore in Milwaukee, in Minneapolis, in St. Louis.

01:22:42.000 They tried to do it in Atlanta, and actually the police stopped them. 1.00

01:22:45.000 Good for them.

01:22:46.000 But they did.

01:22:48.000 These people all do.

01:22:49.000 They view riots as a way of achieving political change.

01:22:53.000 They're the ones who go out and say, well, MLK told us that riot is a language of the unheard.

01:22:57.000 They're the ones who said, oh, all of the lockdowns are canceled for as long as we need to have giant marches against racial justice.

01:23:03.000 They're the ones who organized lawsuits against cities to get multi-million dollar payouts to rioters after all this stuff happened. 1.00

01:23:10.000 These people are just full of crap. 0.99

01:23:14.000 And why are they doing it, Blake? 1.00

01:23:16.000 Because a book like this, actually, every time now I go do a Lincoln Reagan Day dinner in rural America, I'm going to bring up this book and be like, they hate you.

01:23:25.000 I mean, this is a way where we get to 90, 95%.

01:23:27.000 And by the way, I'm not kidding, right, Tyler?

01:23:29.000 If we get to like 90% in Mojave County, or if we get to like, you know, I don't know, 88% in some of these rurals, you could start to forgive some of the losses and some of the excerpts.

01:23:42.000 Am I right?

01:23:43.000 Well, and that's like in Wickenburg, for example.

01:23:46.000 If there's actually a story to be told about America, if you look, and this is the most interesting thing that nobody's talking about, is how a lot of these rural places in America have gone from moderately blue to deep, deep red.

01:23:57.000 Deep red.

01:23:58.000 Deep red.

01:23:58.000 And this is including Iowa.

01:24:00.000 This is part of the story of Iowa and the outskirts of Iowa.

01:24:02.000 This is parts of Georgia that we're talking about is there is animosity that's brewing there.

01:24:08.000 And don't forget, you in COVID had the one negative impact that happened during COVID was you had a lot of semi-liberals move out to the rurals and those rural areas didn't get more blue.

01:24:21.000 A lot of these places became more red.

01:24:23.000 And so, I mean, that's that's something that's very scary for them.

01:24:27.000 They're kind of setting the table for themselves to lose big time.

01:24:30.000 Tavapai County, for example, which is growing.

01:24:33.000 It's grown since 2008.

01:24:34.000 Significantly.

01:24:35.000 Prescott, Prescott Valley.

01:24:37.000 If we do two points better in Yavapai, what does that mean?

01:24:40.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:41.000 And that's 20,000, 30,000 votes.

01:24:43.000 But that's the reason why they want to suppress the vote, right?

01:24:45.000 With a lot of this.

01:24:46.000 But writing books like this does.

01:24:48.000 Wait, wait, wait, guys, guys, guys.

01:24:50.000 So, so super, super in the weeds, you know, Yavapai Pinal, et cetera.

01:24:56.000 Charlie, for the people that are kind of like, you know, on the other side of the country that have no idea what those places are, these rural counties, the exurb suburbs, what exactly 30,000-foot view are you talking about is so important if we drive out these low-propensity voters?

01:25:11.000 Yeah, and Tyler knows it even better than I do.

01:25:13.000 I mean, as it goes, if you win Maricopa by one vote, you win the entire state.

01:25:16.000 And that's our goal at Turning Point Action.

01:25:18.000 However, you look at some of these areas in Arizona.

01:25:22.000 Prescott, I think, is the second or third largest city in the state, right, Tyler?

01:25:26.000 I mean, it's, and Prescott is in Yavapai County.

01:25:28.000 No, it's, it's not nearly that big, but the fastest rate of growth.

01:25:32.000 Oh, for fastest rate.

01:25:33.000 Not population.

01:25:34.000 Yeah, it's, it's up there.

01:25:35.000 I mean, a lot of these rural places, I mean, this is the same as happening in Idaho, it's happening in Utah.

01:25:41.000 If we can run up the score in these areas.

01:25:44.000 Well, that's why it's important for us to prepare the table to make sure that we maintain these places so that, I mean, look, the way that they want to manipulate the vote in a lot of these places, they want to build cities up high and be able to control people close together.

01:25:59.000 So even some of these places that are growing, we want to make sure people have access to land, that they can move out, they can have their own stuff.

01:26:08.000 That's the way that you keep these things.

01:26:10.000 But when people learn the American dream, what is the American dream?

01:26:14.000 I always talk with people about this.

01:26:15.000 Kids, property.

01:26:17.000 It's property.

01:26:18.000 At the end of the day, it's property.

01:26:20.000 It's owning stuff.

01:26:22.000 When you take that away from people, you're in despotism.

01:26:25.000 And that is, when people unlock that, they become more conservative organically, naturally.

01:26:31.000 So just so we know, Prescott has grown by 7% since 2020.

01:26:35.000 That's big.

01:26:36.000 I actually do want to push back here.

01:26:37.000 Overall, rural America is shrinking.

01:26:40.000 A lot of this rage, a lot of this hatred is hatred of like this remnant group in America, the rump traditional American population. 0.78

01:26:49.000 Because if you went back to 1950 or 1920 or whatever, the vast majority of Americans would resemble these rage-filled white rural people. 0.64

01:26:59.000 That would have been the vast majority of the voters. 0.79

01:27:02.000 And frankly, America was a pretty successful and great country then.

01:27:06.000 And these people have rebelled against this in a large way.

01:27:10.000 There are a few cities like Prescott that are growing, but if you look at a map of counties.

01:27:14.000 Arizona and, you know, Flagstaff that are more resourceful.

01:27:17.000 There's a few.

01:27:18.000 And Arizona is a growing state generally.

01:27:19.000 So it's just the cup overflowing.

01:27:21.000 The people they're attacking are not Ohio, Wisconsin.

01:27:25.000 Yeah, you see Southeast Ohio is not seeing a 7% population growth like Prescott.

01:27:30.000 They might be seeing a 10% population decline.

01:27:32.000 Correct.

01:27:32.000 And these are the people they're really singling out for hatred.

01:27:37.000 And what, frankly, it's said, but probably not said enough is it really the way they despise they being the left-wing regime elites, whatever, the way they despise rural white people, it is, it functions at least in the same way you imagine other types of like racism functioning, even if it's white against white, where they actually do just, they hate them.

01:28:06.000 They hate the group.

01:28:07.000 They hate the group.

01:28:08.000 They hate them in very, in ways you could not get away with against other groups.

01:28:12.000 Any group. 0.99

01:28:13.000 Like the way you can just casually make a joke about people in Alabama, they have sex with their cousins and they're all inbred. 0.99

01:28:22.000 You can casually make that joke in all sorts of places. 0.81

01:28:25.000 And you can't, for example, you can't casually make that joke about people from Somalia or Pakistan where it's actually a problem that they marry their cousins a lot. 0.97

01:28:33.000 Correct.

01:28:34.000 And you can potentially do it while in conversation.

01:28:37.000 And you can do caricatures of them the way you can't do caricatures of other people.

01:28:37.000 Yeah.

01:28:42.000 Like it's almost like they are an outlet that the left is allowed to take their only regime accepted punching bag.

01:28:51.000 Exactly. 0.91

01:28:52.000 They are a punching bag. 0.91

01:28:53.000 And especially that you can have a mean-spirited punching bag.

01:28:57.000 It's also just how sinister this is.

01:28:58.000 These people have like very little money.

01:29:01.000 Like they're very decent.

01:29:03.000 I mean, you know what I mean?

01:29:04.000 If like there was a group to hate, like you hate Earl, who lives in like Billings, Montana, and hunts and fishes and like has two kids and is a welder and earns $65,000 a year.

01:29:18.000 That's who we hate.

01:29:19.000 We hate the guy that goes to church and like drives a pickup truck and this is like wildly overweight. 0.96

01:29:24.000 Like we hate him.

01:29:25.000 This is even more wild than this.

01:29:26.000 I want to get no jack, but I mean I want to get this is an article.

01:29:32.000 There's an article that came out in 2021 that really illustrates how deranged this is.

01:29:37.000 There's, it was in the LA Times in 2021.

01:29:40.000 It was by a woman named Virginia Hefferman.

01:29:43.000 And let's look her up.

01:29:45.000 It's like the article opens this way.

01:29:48.000 Oh, heck no.

01:29:49.000 The Trumpites next door to our pandemic getaway who seem as devoted to the ex-president as you can get without being Q fans just plowed our driveway without being asked and did a great job.

01:30:03.000 So this woman flees a city being run under the, you know, the policy she wants of you can't go outside or do anything. 1.00

01:30:11.000 So she flees from her own policies to go to MAGA country because she actually likes living there more.

01:30:18.000 And then this is an entire, this like long article complaining about the horribleness of people who literally went out of their way to help her for free by just plowing her driveway because people do that in nice parts of America.

01:30:30.000 And she's frightening.

01:30:31.000 Well, but they voted for the wrong person.

01:30:33.000 They're bad people.

01:30:34.000 And this happens all the time.

01:30:36.000 You run into, you can find all these bizarre think pieces.

01:30:39.000 What should I do about all of like my Trump neighbors or my Trump family members, my parents who raised me and clothed me and fed me and cared for me and maybe paid for my college?

01:30:50.000 Should I break off contact with them because they voted for Trump?

01:30:53.000 They would say yes.

01:30:54.000 Yeah.

01:30:54.000 They'd run into this all the time.

01:30:55.000 Every single year, we have to get guidebooks about how to, you know, lecture your family at Thanksgiving.

01:31:00.000 Correct.

01:31:01.000 It's, I said this before, Blake.

01:31:03.000 And is it an exaggeration? 0.66

01:31:05.000 Where they, if they could, they would drone white rural America. 0.94

01:31:09.000 He said in that clip that they're a threat to the country. 0.66

01:31:09.000 Oh, absolutely. 0.66

01:31:13.000 He's talking to us like we're out when the Bundy Ranch people took over the, I can't remember the name, that place in Nevada, I believe it was.

01:31:23.000 You could find people on Twitter saying, why don't they drone them?

01:31:26.000 These people literally will do that sort of thing.

01:31:26.000 Drone them.

01:31:29.000 You know, the future, there's this dark future where we have some like this kind of like emotional woman at the FBI sobbing while she hits the button to fire the drone missile, saying, You made me do this, and then blowing up their house. 1.00

01:31:44.000 And yes, seriously.

01:31:45.000 Yeah.

01:31:46.000 I mean, these are the people who did Waco.

01:31:47.000 And it's not even that I like the guy who David Kerr.

01:31:50.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:31:51.000 David Koresh, David Branch Davidians.

01:31:53.000 But think about the context of that where they wanted to arrest this guy.

01:31:56.000 And Janet Reno.

01:31:57.000 And instead of just arresting him when he went to a Walmart, because he did leave all the time, he went for runs every morning.

01:32:04.000 They had to do this macho thing to assault it.

01:32:07.000 And then it didn't work out.

01:32:08.000 And they're like, oh, well, better besiege it.

01:32:10.000 Better let the thing burn down. 0.99

01:32:12.000 Better spray it with gunfire. 1.00

01:32:14.000 Better kill all the children who are inside. 1.00

01:32:16.000 Why do you think we need self-driving cars? 1.00

01:32:19.000 It's they're going to just drive us raft cliffs.

01:32:21.000 Yeah.

01:32:22.000 Like these people have these sick impulses.

01:32:25.000 This is another line in the story.

01:32:26.000 You know, where is it here?

01:32:30.000 This is kind of weird.

01:32:31.000 This is referring to the plowing your driveway.

01:32:32.000 Back in the city, people don't sweep others' walkways for nothing.

01:32:36.000 Yeah, that's because cities aren't as good as rural America.

01:32:40.000 Rural America is better than you.

01:32:43.000 And you should think about what that means when they don't vote the way that you do. 0.99

01:32:48.000 But these, these people are wretched. 0.99

01:32:51.000 They are bad people. 1.00

01:32:52.000 Oh, no, they really are.

01:32:53.000 And they stay on television instead of having rocks thrown at them in public.

01:32:58.000 So, Blake, there's actually this interesting flip on. 0.99

01:33:02.000 So, you know, we talk about hicclibs a lot.

01:33:04.000 And we talked about Oliver Anthony. 0.88

01:33:05.000 We talked about this whole, you know, genre of, I don't know, like a new archetype that's arisen.

01:33:14.000 You know, Will Stantil is kind of one of these guys, a person who's from sort of a more rural area or a Midwestern area in his case, and yet has liberal tendencies, even though they sort of have like more, more rural aesthetics.

01:33:28.000 I think I've been trying to think of what the opposite to that is because you see a lot of this on the new right that there's a lot of people who aren't necessarily rural at all.

01:33:37.000 Donald Trump, of course, is probably as far from rural as you can get.

01:33:40.000 The guy announced his presidential campaign literally on Fifth Avenue next to Tiffany's in a giant skyscraper bearing his name while you know wearing a suit that was worth several thousand dollars flying around in a helicopter and an airplane with his name on it.

01:33:53.000 So I was like, I was like, would the flip side of that be like an urban con? 0.75

01:33:57.000 And so, and if so, are the urban cons like the conservatives who grow up not able to stand all the liberals that they're surrounded by all the time the same way that the hicclib hates all the rural conservatives that are around them?

01:34:10.000 It's a, I don't know, it's an interesting dynamic to get into at some point, maybe for a later show.

01:34:14.000 Let's get to the last topic.

01:34:15.000 Uh, the last topic is squatters, actually.

01:34:15.000 What is it?

01:34:19.000 Yeah, this is way more, way more chill.

01:34:21.000 I'll start with this one.

01:34:22.000 I was first made aware.

01:34:24.000 So, squatting's a long time.

01:34:25.000 This is not a new thing.

01:34:26.000 We should, before we talk about it, we should have the fine guy supposed.

01:34:30.000 We should have the news hook.

01:34:31.000 So, we were talking about this today.

01:34:32.000 There's a story in the New York Post.

01:34:34.000 A Queens couple bought a $2 million home to care for their special needs son.

01:34:40.000 He had Down syndrome.

01:34:42.000 And they show up and they discover that a squatter is living in the building.

01:34:46.000 And New York laws being what they are, you can't evict the squatter because.

01:34:50.000 So, explain what that does that mean.

01:34:52.000 That means someone literally is living in your house and you can't remove them.

01:34:55.000 A lot, a surprising number of jurisdictions have laws where if a person has resided in a structure long enough, even if they're not paying anything, even if they have no legal right to be there, if they have been there long enough, they get tenant rights regardless of how they caught in.

01:34:55.000 Exactly.

01:35:12.000 They could have put it in.

01:35:12.000 Exactly.

01:35:13.000 You will literally get cases where, for example, people move and then their house is for sale or they leave for a few months and someone just breaks in and changes the locks. 0.56

01:35:22.000 And maybe they don't find out because they are gone several months and they get back and the people just say, We have squatter rights here.

01:35:29.000 They'll call the police and the police will say, Sorry, this is a matter for the courts now.

01:35:33.000 We can't, we can't remove this person.

01:35:35.000 Yeah, so in New York City, um, I don't have the date when this went into existence, but in New York City, it's probably one of the most radical in the entire country.

01:35:45.000 So, in some places, adverse possession, this takes you know, over like for seven years of being, you know, on in a facility or in a location or like 10 years in some states.

01:35:55.000 In New York City, it's 30 days, it's literally 30.

01:35:58.000 If you can prove that you live somewhere for 30 days, then they can't evict you, which is insane.

01:36:03.000 Like, you could be, you know, you could be visiting family or somewhere like somewhere for 30 days.

01:36:09.000 You could be like, oh, you know, some people do the snowbird thing where they, you know, they'll be in Florida for the winter and then come back after 30 days.

01:36:17.000 And now all of a sudden, someone lives in your house.

01:36:19.000 It's insane.

01:36:21.000 It's pretty funny because this is like a relic of really old law, like Anglo-Saxon common law.

01:36:27.000 It's a relic of times where land title isn't quite as well defined as it is, or where, you know, like a war happens and people flee.

01:36:36.000 And so you need some way where, oh, stuff happened, and these people ended up living here.

01:36:41.000 And after 10 years, it's their stuff now.

01:36:45.000 And we get these relics of this.

01:36:47.000 And now we're in a time where you really don't need those standards anymore, but we still have these laws.

01:36:53.000 And it's much worse in Europe. 1.00

01:36:54.000 This happens all the time in Europe where they'll have like Romani people just move into their house and can never get them out. 1.00

01:37:01.000 I first was gypsies. 1.00

01:37:03.000 Okay, we'll say gypsies. 1.00

01:37:03.000 Gypsies. 1.00

01:37:05.000 Okay, go ahead, guys. 1.00

01:37:07.000 Gypsies. 1.00

01:37:08.000 I'll tell the story a little different time. 1.00

01:37:10.000 I'm exhausted.

01:37:11.000 So anyone else got something to say?

01:37:12.000 No, no, tell the story.

01:37:14.000 We were just making sure to offend people.

01:37:14.000 I'm sorry.

01:37:16.000 Okay.

01:37:16.000 So I was first exposed to squatters when I was like 10 years old and I was in Highland Park, Illinois.

01:37:24.000 There was a very, very nice house that a guy owned and he vacated it for like a year and he went to sell it.

01:37:31.000 A homeless guy broke in and started living there.

01:37:34.000 And he didn't know it for the first like 35, 40 days.

01:37:37.000 And it took him literally years to get him out.

01:37:40.000 He just lived in the house, couldn't do anything about it.

01:37:43.000 Yeah.

01:37:43.000 And so, and so is his house.

01:37:45.000 And literally had to go to the court and it got like delayed because squatters' rights at that time were like, yeah, if you live there long enough, it's your house.

01:37:53.000 That's so terrible.

01:37:54.000 Yeah.

01:37:54.000 And so isn't that unbelievable?

01:37:55.000 It just, I mean, this is going to, this is going to grow, by the way, with all the illegals and stuff.

01:38:00.000 They're going to start breaking into people's vacations homes and being like, it's my house.

01:38:04.000 Oh, yeah.

01:38:04.000 And this is part of it.

01:38:04.000 They'll know what's going on.

01:38:05.000 They can get those profiles.

01:38:06.000 It's also, it's COVID and the housing, just the housing crisis that we're in right now.

01:38:10.000 So as people aren't able to afford properties or like banks and BlackRock and other things aren't going to be able to afford to maintain their properties and then they can't rent them out.

01:38:19.000 So you're going to have all these properties that people speculated on for rentals that are just going to sit open.

01:38:24.000 People are going to move right in.

01:38:25.000 And you're, by the way, you can go on TikTok right now.

01:38:29.000 I saw this in the New York Post that they're like tutorials on how to target a house for squatting.

01:38:34.000 And like, there are guys who just do this.

01:38:37.000 There's even, there's literally cases where they'll scope out houses that are for sale and then people will fake lease them to people and then get them in there long enough that they'll have squatters' rights.

01:38:48.000 And then the person who actually sold them the lease just skips town. 0.99

01:38:52.000 The Chinese may not even need to buy up our land anymore. 1.00

01:38:54.000 They can just send in a bunch of squatters. 1.00

01:38:56.000 Yeah.

01:38:57.000 CCP.

01:38:58.000 Our all the way to the CCP.

01:38:59.000 We're going to get TikTok.

01:39:00.000 It'll be TikTok videos.

01:39:02.000 Here's how to fly to Mexico.

01:39:03.000 Here's how to cross the border.

01:39:04.000 Here's what you tell them.

01:39:05.000 Here's how you apply for the $15,000 a year credit card New York will give you.

01:39:09.000 Here's how you get housing.

01:39:10.000 You just break into this place. 1.00

01:39:12.000 Here's the NGO that you will call that will give you free legal representation against these poor saps who are stuck trying to evict you. 1.00

01:39:19.000 And here's this giant corporate law firm that'll chip in. 1.00

01:39:22.000 Here's their pro bono.

01:39:23.000 Here's the NGO to call.

01:39:24.000 Yeah.

01:39:25.000 And just, it truly is a vast apparatus.

01:39:28.000 All right.

01:39:28.000 I want to close with a tease.

01:39:30.000 We have made the decision.

01:39:31.000 We are going to stream live on Tuesday for Super Tuesday.

01:39:36.000 So hopefully, I think Trump's going to win every state.

01:39:38.000 And that will just be kind of fun to watch and see and go through all the states.

01:39:41.000 And also just kind of talk about different political dynamics in each of those states as it comes in.

01:39:45.000 What are the Super Tuesday states, by the way?

01:39:48.000 They change every time.

01:39:48.000 There's a bunch.

01:39:49.000 So a couple move this year.

01:39:51.000 Let's go through the list really quick because I think it'll be really fun to kind of do that and make a 2024 preview.

01:39:58.000 I think the stream would do really well.

01:39:59.000 And I mean, will Nikki Haley even win a statement?

01:40:01.000 I know Virginia off the top of my head.

01:40:03.000 Virginia, Alaska, California, Vermont.

01:40:06.000 I'll go through them in our big ones.

01:40:09.000 Alabama.

01:40:09.000 Okay, you got it.

01:40:10.000 Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado.

01:40:13.000 California.

01:40:15.000 You have D.G. is a few days before.

01:40:18.000 So that shifted.

01:40:20.000 Idaho is a few days before.

01:40:23.000 Vermont, Utah, Virginia, Tennessee.

01:40:25.000 Minnesota.

01:40:27.000 Do you think Nikki could surprise in California?

01:40:29.000 I don't think so.

01:40:31.000 They love Trump in California.

01:40:33.000 The California Republican Party is actually pretty right-wing.

01:40:36.000 They're just, they only get winner-take-all, right?

01:40:39.000 The question is: is Andrew voting in the California primary on Tuesday?

01:40:42.000 That's the question.

01:40:43.000 Oh, snap. 0.99

01:40:44.000 He says, oh, he's not here.

01:40:46.000 He's going to put on his MAGA hat and he's going to go vote for Trump.

01:40:48.000 I love that.

01:40:50.000 Andrew, I know you're just in the chat, but producer Andrew, do you actually vote in California general elections or do you just not waste your time?

01:40:57.000 Yeah, he's okay.

01:40:58.000 The real question is: does he vote in the races that don't matter at all?

01:41:02.000 Does he show up to get massacred in the Santa Barbara local elections?

01:41:06.000 Why not?

01:41:07.000 I love it.

01:41:09.000 It's fun to, you know what I do?

01:41:12.000 I tell everyone, you want to make sure your ballot counts, find a race you don't care about, and write in a random name so you can always go back when they hand count the ballots.

01:41:21.000 That's exactly right.

01:41:22.000 And check if it worked or not.

01:41:24.000 I have like three of your friends do the same thing, like Wright and Harry Potter for the water commissioner, and you would know it should at least have four votes.

01:41:31.000 All right.

01:41:32.000 Everybody, see you on Super Tuesday.

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01:41:39.000 And we'll see you guys tomorrow on the Charlie Kirk show or see you next week.

01:41:42.000 Keep committing thought crimes.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - March 02, 2024

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 35 — Antifa On Fire? White Rural Rage? Shoot Squatters?

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