The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 41 — Getting on the Trump Jury? AI Girlfriends? Reform, or Revolution?

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00:01:34.000 Hello, everybody.

00:01:35.000 Happy Thought Crime Thursday.

00:01:38.000 We have a show that is going to be less people, but hopefully deeper thoughts.

00:01:45.000 We have Blake Neff, who is appropriately quarantined.

00:01:48.000 I heard Blake cough once.

00:01:49.000 I said, you're doing this in another room.

00:01:52.000 And it's a true story.

00:01:53.000 And then Jack from an undisclosed bunker on the East Coast.

00:01:56.000 Jack, how are you doing?

00:01:57.000 Wait, so Blake is there in the studio, but just in another room of the studio?

00:02:02.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:02:03.000 I'm literally about 15 feet away from Charlie.

00:02:06.000 Jack, you can understand this.

00:02:07.000 Jack, Jack, hold on.

00:02:08.000 Jack, you can understand this.

00:02:09.000 It's not a matter of us getting sick.

00:02:11.000 It's us getting our kids sick and the derailing effect.

00:02:14.000 Jack, can you defend me on this?

00:02:16.000 This is true.

00:02:17.000 No, this is true.

00:02:17.000 This is true.

00:02:18.000 If it can be prevented, not having your kids get sick, just try to take that whenever possible, especially if you have big travel coming up and you know you're not going to be home.

00:02:30.000 So that is why, right, Angelo?

00:02:32.000 Angelo is enthusiastic, right?

00:02:34.000 This is a rational thing.

00:02:35.000 Yeah, Angelo is probably.

00:02:37.000 I got this by seeing the eclipse in Austin.

00:02:39.000 So this could be like the eclipse virus.

00:02:41.000 Wait, the eclipse made you sick.

00:02:43.000 It could have like demonic energy within it.

00:02:46.000 What do you mean?

00:02:47.000 Wait, I don't understand.

00:02:48.000 How did the eclipse make you sick?

00:02:50.000 I got sick while traveling to Texas for the eclipse.

00:02:53.000 So clearly it's related.

00:02:55.000 Clearly, there's eldritch forces in play here.

00:03:00.000 It could cause untold drama, tragedy, suffering, the destruction of humanity.

00:03:06.000 Have you been hearing thoughts in the night that tell you to go to the ocean and wait for the hybrid children? 1.00

00:03:12.000 Occasionally, but you're not supposed to know about that.

00:03:15.000 Oh, fair enough.

00:03:16.000 Fair enough.

00:03:17.000 All right.

00:03:17.000 Well, let's get into our topic here.

00:03:19.000 I think that what?

00:03:22.000 That's the thing about thought crime.

00:03:23.000 You just take it until it's for this logical conclusion, and then there's just awkward silence, and then you pivot.

00:03:28.000 That's like the equation of thought crime, right?

00:03:30.000 You just keep going and going and going.

00:03:31.000 And you're like, okay, we're at the bottom.

00:03:34.000 We're like, okay, did the Midas Touchers have their clip out of that segment?

00:03:37.000 All right, good.

00:03:38.000 Next egg.

00:03:38.000 Exactly.

00:03:39.000 Blake, I'm going to let you.

00:03:40.000 I'm Midas Touchers.

00:03:41.000 I know you're our favorite bands.

00:03:43.000 They don't watch live for the record.

00:03:45.000 Oh, they'll be watching.

00:03:46.000 But they will be.

00:03:46.000 They'll be watching.

00:03:48.000 They have some sort of gremlin that goes through this thing.

00:03:50.000 All right.

00:03:51.000 So, Blake, jury selection with the Trump trial.

00:03:55.000 This also reminded me, Ryan, can we get the Harry Potter girl that was the head of the grand jury in Georgia?

00:04:02.000 There's a lot of like Harry Potter girl energy going on in American juries right now.

00:04:09.000 Blake, what's going on here?

00:04:11.000 All right.

00:04:12.000 So Trump is finally on trial, the moment we've been waiting for for a year.

00:04:16.000 And as we've warned the entire time, it is clear the entire battle plan of the Trump indictments is just get the best jury you possibly can.

00:04:24.000 So these cases are brought in New York.

00:04:26.000 They're brought in DC.

00:04:27.000 They're brought in Atlanta.

00:04:29.000 It's always in these urban areas that have 90 that, you know, voted 90%, 95% for Joe Biden in 2020.

00:04:38.000 And that way you can get away with things like bringing criminal charges that are totally unprecedented and have never been used on anyone else in history.

00:04:46.000 And so we're getting the jury selection here in New York now for Trump's push money case.

00:04:53.000 And we've already had like a third of the jury pool get drummed out because after they get seated, we go and we check their social media.

00:05:01.000 And it turns out they're these left-wing zealots, but they're totally saying, you know, I can be super duper unbiased.

00:05:08.000 Please put me on the jury.

00:05:11.000 Like we've got one of these here.

00:05:12.000 How about let's play.

00:05:15.000 Let's go this one.

00:05:16.000 How about, well, how about cut 111 is a two-minute clip of the potential juror dismissed herself for not being partial.

00:05:24.000 She talks about how she's just became a citizen.

00:05:26.000 Or we could say cut 97.

00:05:29.000 Woman says Trump didn't look angry.

00:05:30.000 He just looked bored and he wanted all this to go down.

00:05:33.000 Want to do that one?

00:05:33.000 Let's do cut 97.

00:05:35.000 That is unbelievable.

00:05:36.000 I know.

00:05:36.000 What was your impression of Donald Trump when you saw him?

00:05:41.000 You know, he looked less orange, definitely, like more yellowish, yellow.

00:05:49.000 Nothing else than that.

00:05:50.000 He looks, he doesn't look angry or I think he looks bored.

00:05:56.000 Like he wants this to finish and go do his stuff.

00:06:00.000 That's how it, yeah.

00:06:02.000 Blake says.

00:06:03.000 This is another.

00:06:04.000 Yeah, go ahead.

00:06:04.000 There's another wild thing here.

00:06:06.000 This person got dismissed for possible bias and other conflicts, but she's also just, you know, speaks English as a second language.

00:06:15.000 And imagine like highly technical legal language in the court, how confusing that might be.

00:06:20.000 It reminds me, there was a juror like that in the George Zimmerman Trayvon Martin case a decade ago, where after the verdict, there's a profile and it emphasizes how she couldn't really tell what was going on.

00:06:32.000 And she felt like she was on trial the whole time.

00:06:36.000 You get this bizarre stuff.

00:06:38.000 Let's play another one here.

00:06:39.000 We have actually my, because this juror specifically, and Charlie, maybe, because you're a good, you got, you got a good read on people.

00:06:52.000 So my read on this was that she probably was kind of like, she didn't code to me like an anti-Trumper.

00:07:00.000 She didn't code to me like some kind of Died-in-the-Wool leftist.

00:07:04.000 She wasn't like this, you know, everybody's dunking on the new C NPR CEO right now, but she didn't even, but she's just like a kind of like a normal, we'll talk about that later, but she's sort of like a normie farmer's market liberal.

00:07:16.000 But this, this girl, like, she kind of seemed like she was almost favorable to Trump or would have at least been impartial.

00:07:26.000 And yet she removed herself from the jury.

00:07:31.000 And as Blake will say, there are other people who lied and are extremely biased against Trump that got seated on the jury, two of which, or at least one of which was removed earlier today.

00:07:44.000 Yeah.

00:07:45.000 And I just want to say, maybe these people just say they're biased because they don't want to do this.

00:07:48.000 It's just like a lot of time and they want to go home.

00:07:50.000 And they're like, oh, actually, I'm biased.

00:07:51.000 It's a way I can get off the jury.

00:07:53.000 So let's play Cut 112 next.

00:07:56.000 Let's play Cut 112.

00:07:57.000 That this has to do with something that very well could have been the fact that this juror May had been arrested back in the 1990s, conducting some type of political vandalism against something posters on the right, and it was not revealed, or he did not remember it and did not include it.

00:08:16.000 And that is why that juror has been dismissed.

00:08:19.000 Didn't remember it.

00:08:20.000 Yeah, I hate when that happens.

00:08:21.000 You know, when you forget all your arrest records.

00:08:23.000 Oh, that's right.

00:08:24.000 In addition to the arson and the burglary, I also got arrested for.

00:08:28.000 Yeah, we call that the Antifa juror.

00:08:30.000 That's basically the Antifa juror.

00:08:32.000 He lied his way on there.

00:08:33.000 He was tearing down stuff.

00:08:35.000 He got arrested for something that passed.

00:08:37.000 And they ask you that on the questionnaire.

00:08:38.000 And so, Blake, as you mentioned earlier, but for people who aren't familiar with the process, jury selection, it's called Voidir.

00:08:46.000 There are rigorous written questionnaires that every potential juror must fill out before they go in there, where they go through line by line.

00:08:57.000 And they, yeah, of course, they ask you your personal information, your demographic information, et cetera.

00:09:00.000 But then they start asking you about, do you have any cases that are similar to this?

00:09:04.000 Do you have any, were you ever, you know, were you ever involved in any legal matters?

00:09:08.000 You ever served on a jury before?

00:09:10.000 And then they ask you, like, if you were arrested, what was that?

00:09:14.000 In fact, one of the things that was coming up, I think, in a lot of the questionnaires and in a lot of the questioning, and Charlie, I'm sure I appreciate this, is that a lot of the people were saying that I think like 50% of the people were saying that they had either been mugged or knew someone who had been.

00:09:27.000 On the jury?

00:09:30.000 That were in the jury pool.

00:09:32.000 Not just on the jury, but in that entire pool.

00:09:34.000 The entire population of New York has been mugged at this point.

00:09:38.000 Let's go to this other one.

00:09:40.000 I want to play this one.

00:09:40.000 I'm trying to find which one this is.

00:09:42.000 The one that has now gone viral significantly, where she's the Harry Potter girl.

00:09:47.000 Do we have the Harry Potter?

00:09:48.000 Not the one from Georgia. 0.94

00:09:49.000 The one where she was just kind of she dismissed herself.

00:09:54.000 Let's see.

00:09:55.000 Or she got dismissed for bias and she said, I'm like a COVID anxious and I'm immune compromised and my half sister is Chinese and I'm afraid she was going to get deported and it made me anxious and it made me mad.

00:10:08.000 This right here.

00:10:10.000 That's 115.

00:10:11.000 I, yes, I'm going to play it in a second.

00:10:13.000 I get attacked sometimes for saying that single cat women are, they have bad politics. 1.00

00:10:20.000 People say, how dare you say that?

00:10:22.000 This woman is a perfect example of single cat woman politics. 1.00

00:10:28.000 Perfect.

00:10:29.000 Play cut 115.

00:10:31.000 Can you share your opinion of the former president and why you felt that you could be unbiased?

00:10:38.000 I'm not a fan.

00:10:42.000 I, during COVID-19, I lived with someone who was immunocompromised and I think his handling of COVID-19 was abasement.

00:10:53.000 I also have a sister who's adopted from China and the comments he made about China when he was running for president made her very anxious and therefore made me angry.

00:11:09.000 There are policies he has supported that regard women and reproductive health that I do not agree with.

00:11:21.000 Oh, she keeps she keeps on going from there. 1.00

00:11:24.000 Seems unbiased, Blake.

00:11:25.000 Just perfect.

00:11:26.000 By the way, she has an audition reel.

00:11:27.000 I got to find it.

00:11:28.000 Somebody emailed it to it, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:11:30.000 Blake, your reaction.

00:11:32.000 I mean, so the big picture thing here is we have some of these people getting jumped off the jury.

00:11:38.000 Some of them are getting onto the jury and then getting booted off because their bias is discovered.

00:11:43.000 But if that's happening, it's a pretty safe bet that there's at least one person out there who just is fanatically anti-Trump and just thinks, I want to get on the jury so I can make the evil man go away and go to prison.

00:11:58.000 Like the amount of Trump hate we've had for a decade, you have to entertain the possibility, the probability that someone could consider it a moral commandment to make this person, to take this person down.

00:12:16.000 They would think it is of historical importance to be the person who puts Donald Trump in prison.

00:12:22.000 And so the kind of the moral question is, given that's the case, is it morally acceptable if you're a pro-Trump person in New York and you're in the pool to basically bib your way onto the jury?

00:12:38.000 Do you think that there's going to be a MAGA person that has found himself onto the jury?

00:12:43.000 I don't know that it's likely.

00:12:45.000 It's Manhattan.

00:12:46.000 So you can look at the stats.

00:12:47.000 I think it did vote about 90% Biden in 2020.

00:12:52.000 And a lot of the people who would have voted otherwise, they might be Orthodox Jews.

00:12:57.000 I've heard there's some issues with them being on the jury because they can't stick around on Friday afternoons because they have to prep for Shabbat.

00:13:05.000 And then after that, you're just looking at the odds.

00:13:07.000 But there's probably, you know, there's a few pro-Trump people in New York.

00:13:10.000 But I kind of find myself thinking, if you do get in this jury pool, even if you're pro-Trump, I feel like you almost have an obligation to hide that, both because this actually is a profoundly immoral prosecution of Trump.

00:13:27.000 It is unprecedented.

00:13:28.000 It is actually, it is the sort of thing that should be thrown out in court without getting into all the details.

00:13:33.000 It's really bad.

00:13:34.000 And so I think you kind of have a moral obligation to come in and help at least hang the jury in this trial.

00:13:43.000 I couldn't agree more.

00:13:44.000 Do you remember, Blake, in one of the federal, the whole we build the wall thing?

00:13:53.000 I know they're still going after Bannon for that at the state level, but at the federal level, obviously, you know, Steve Bannon got a pardon for that from Trump.

00:14:03.000 One of the other guys took a plea deal, but then there was one guy who actually went to trial over it.

00:14:08.000 And there was actually a juror.

00:14:11.000 I think they took him to a second trial, but there was actually a juror who hung the trial the first time.

00:14:16.000 They actually found someone in New York.

00:14:18.000 He was like a working class guy.

00:14:21.000 You know, there wasn't a lot of information that was released on them.

00:14:23.000 But what came out afterwards was that the other 11 members of the jury were furious that this guy refused to vote guilty along with the rest of them.

00:14:33.000 And they said, in his response, the man said they were all a bunch of liberals and then espoused anti-government, anti-government statements and said the only reason everyone was doing this was because they're all a bunch of liberals.

00:14:47.000 So it actually happened once in recent.

00:14:50.000 Now, not a great legal strategy to go to court and wish that you can find a juror like that.

00:14:58.000 But yes, it has.

00:14:59.000 This is like the only time that has happened in, and if you include New York and DC and all the J Sixers in all of those cases that have gone to trial, it's happened exactly one time this far. 0.91

00:15:11.000 And remember, you have to have unanimous support.

00:15:13.000 So one juror could derail this whole thing in a hung jury.

00:15:18.000 Okay, this is the juror.

00:15:20.000 Oh, she's literally an actress. 0.99

00:15:21.000 So wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:15:24.000 I thought this was the Harry Potter actress. 1.00

00:15:26.000 You mean this is the juror?

00:15:27.000 No, no, this is the Harry.

00:15:28.000 No, we're all over the place.

00:15:30.000 This is the girl that did the interview out on the street where she took all these.

00:15:34.000 I'm not a fan and has the half-adopted sister.

00:15:39.000 And she has like a literally.

00:15:40.000 She's actually an actor.

00:15:41.000 She's actually an actress. 1.00

00:15:42.000 She has a whole portfolio of audition tapes that are there on that link that I found.

00:15:50.000 So no wonder she's doing all the interviews. 0.99

00:15:52.000 Of course, and she does all these. 0.97

00:15:53.000 She does all these pregnant pauses. 0.97

00:15:55.000 And she just does these pregnant pauses. 0.98

00:15:57.000 I'm not a fan.

00:15:58.000 And like, okay, yeah, you're so stoic and so talented.

00:16:02.000 Let's go to another piece of tape here.

00:16:06.000 Let's go to this one here.

00:16:07.000 Woman says she just became a citizen and she was in shock when she saw Trump sitting there.

00:16:12.000 Play Cut 113.

00:16:14.000 Have you ever served as a juror before?

00:16:16.000 No, that's my first time because I just became a citizen in August.

00:16:20.000 Yeah.

00:16:21.000 And that was my first call.

00:16:23.000 So you just became a citizen of the United States.

00:16:25.000 So that means you've never voted in a presidential.

00:16:28.000 Exactly.

00:16:28.000 You call to be a juror, and this is the jury that you are called to.

00:16:32.000 Yes.

00:16:33.000 What happened?

00:16:34.000 Why were you dismissed?

00:16:35.000 Because I couldn't be impartial.

00:16:37.000 You couldn't be impartial.

00:16:38.000 So when the judge asked at hand, can you be impartial?

00:16:41.000 You raised your hand and you said you cannot.

00:16:42.000 Exactly.

00:16:43.000 Wow.

00:16:44.000 When did you first come?

00:16:46.000 On Tuesday, on Tuesday.

00:16:47.000 And at that point, when did you realize that this was a trial involving the ex-president of the United States, Donald Trump?

00:16:54.000 So we were here on Tuesday from 9 a.m.

00:16:58.000 Yeah.

00:16:58.000 But we realized that it's about this case on 4 p.m.

00:17:03.000 We went into the courtroom and we saw Donald Trump.

00:17:07.000 You went into the courtroom at 4 p.m. on Tuesday.

00:17:10.000 Yeah, we didn't know before that.

00:17:12.000 What was your first thought?

00:17:14.000 I was shocked.

00:17:16.000 I was sitting on the second row, like six feet away.

00:17:23.000 And when I realized that Trump is there, I was like, oh, wow.

00:17:27.000 I couldn't believe it.

00:17:28.000 What about the people around you?

00:17:29.000 Everybody was shocked.

00:17:30.000 Everybody was frozen.

00:17:32.000 He does have that effect on people.

00:17:36.000 I'm telling you, I think she was a MAGA type.

00:17:39.000 I think that she's...

00:17:39.000 Okay, so you see what I'm saying?

00:17:41.000 The thing about it, though, she's a new citizen.

00:17:42.000 She follows all the rules.

00:17:44.000 She's probably one of the few jurors that heard the unbiased thing and was like, I actually like him.

00:17:48.000 I take this very seriously.

00:17:51.000 Well, and you know what else?

00:17:52.000 You know what else?

00:17:53.000 If she just got her citizenship, typically when you go through your citizenship process, you are on a green card for a while.

00:18:00.000 And so while you're on that green card, it's like it's very incumbent on you to follow all the rules.

00:18:07.000 And like, you can't get, you know, don't get traffic tickets.

00:18:10.000 Don't, you know, don't break, don't even break a little law because anything can be used against you to get your citizenship.

00:18:17.000 So if you're going through the process, like she's saying, and rightfully so, saying that it's a huge achievement.

00:18:23.000 I'm married to a naturalized immigrant, as everyone knows, that it's something where anything could be used against you.

00:18:30.000 So that's like, you know, she's following all the rules.

00:18:32.000 And then she gets in there and says, oh, well, I'm biased and I'm biased against it because it seems to me like she's obviously somebody who likes Trump.

00:18:41.000 But then the problem is, you know, where this plays against us is that if, and this is what Blake is saying here, that if one side is willing to lie and have like Antifa guys and leftists, or if you remember the Derek Chauvin trial, had a guy who was a BLM activist who ran a BLM podcast who attended George Floyd rallies and like hung out with George Floyd's uncle and then lied about it throughout the entire trial and then admitted to it afterwards.

00:19:07.000 Yep.

00:19:08.000 And our side is going to say, oh, we're going to take the moral high road.

00:19:14.000 We're going to be the principled ones and I'm not going to serve on that jury.

00:19:17.000 And I'm like, well, then you're just going to lose.

00:19:19.000 And I totally agree with Blake.

00:19:22.000 And we need jury nullification in this case.

00:19:24.000 You need jury nullification.

00:19:26.000 And if you have the ability to serve on Trump's jury or and you're a conservative and you're, you know, or one of the next juries that comes up, get on there.

00:19:34.000 And I'm going to say this right now as loud as possible.

00:19:37.000 Get on there and sabotage the trial.

00:19:40.000 Get on there and derail the trial completely.

00:19:45.000 There is nothing immoral about sabotaging a communist show trial.

00:19:50.000 It is the most moral thing you can do.

00:19:53.000 Jury nullification.

00:19:54.000 Let's go to, do we have the tape, Ryan?

00:19:57.000 Or are we still downloading it?

00:19:58.000 Okay, we have it.

00:19:59.000 All right.

00:19:59.000 So this is a perfect example, everybody.

00:20:01.000 This is the type of individual that New York is known for, which is wannabe celebrity, want to be actress. 0.99

00:20:09.000 You'd think that LA is the home of that.

00:20:10.000 No, no, no.

00:20:11.000 This is Kara McGee, Trump, not a Trump fan.

00:20:15.000 Play Cut 134.

00:20:16.000 Maya, I know Mom.

00:20:18.000 Oh my God.

00:20:19.000 What?

00:20:20.000 I didn't even say anything.

00:20:22.000 Oh, my God, Maya.

00:20:23.000 It's not all about you.

00:20:24.000 Did you ever think of that?

00:20:25.000 What the heck's that supposed to mean?

00:20:27.000 I am literally bleeding out, and you're still going to storm off into the woods for dramatic.

00:20:31.000 You're not bleeding out.

00:20:32.000 If your hand is cut, you're not going to die.

00:20:35.000 Bleeding out implies you have a much more severe wound and need to go to the hospital because you've been stabbed or shot.

00:20:40.000 I did get stabbed by that rock.

00:20:45.000 I need your friends.

00:20:46.000 Comedy. 1.00

00:20:48.000 Shut up. 1.00

00:20:49.000 This is exactly what I expected. 1.00

00:20:52.000 This is a drama. 0.95

00:20:53.000 I don't want to look we can see upstairs and watching crazy yourself.

00:20:58.000 You guys are sure this is a regular movie.

00:21:00.000 This isn't like this isn't like they go upstairs and something else.

00:21:06.000 Look, everyone's going to come over for presence and she'll act like it never happened. 1.00

00:21:10.000 I just had to play that.

00:21:11.000 That is the woman who gave a whole press gaggle and she didn't disclose that. 1.00

00:21:15.000 Oh, by the way, I'm an actress.

00:21:17.000 You know, that was like a regular Christmas movie.

00:21:19.000 That wasn't like a that wasn't like they go upstairs and like something bad.

00:21:23.000 You know, this might offend people.

00:21:25.000 This might offend people because we do have some actors who are on our side, but we might benefit as a society if we revived the old Roman norm of considering actors sort of morally on par with like prostitutes and maybe not allowing them on juries because they're people of ill repute.

00:21:43.000 I'm with you, but it could be if we only if we add journalists to that.

00:21:49.000 That's a good idea.

00:21:50.000 I could get on board with that.

00:21:51.000 All right.

00:21:52.000 We should put journalists on the bottom, like maybe put them on par with certain species of wild animal. 0.64

00:22:00.000 Yeah, like a like a very, very highly developed, like primitive creature.

00:22:06.000 I'm not sure if I can follow you on highly developed.

00:22:09.000 Maybe middling development.

00:22:11.000 Maybe they're like an intermediary species between man and ape.

00:22:15.000 Yes, like a like a like a like a wildebeest of some sort.

00:22:20.000 Yeah, I could go.

00:22:21.000 All right, all right.

00:22:21.000 So we'll do that.

00:22:22.000 And then as long as they're not allowed on juries and they're not allowed to do it.

00:22:25.000 The actors are.

00:22:27.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:22:28.000 So they're not on juries and they don't have like other civic rights.

00:22:28.000 That's true.

00:22:33.000 I think that's a good balance to strike.

00:22:35.000 Well, there's also, there's also lawyers on the jury, right?

00:22:38.000 And so from a serious perspective, right, there's a huge issue with having a lawyer on a jury because a lawyer, like you were saying before, a lot of people who come on might not have knowledge of the legal process.

00:22:50.000 The lawyer is going to get on there and you run the risk of having that lawyer be like a rogue juror almost.

00:22:58.000 And a rogue juror is someone who comes on with a bias.

00:23:00.000 And now the lawyer is basically just leading the room and telling everybody like, there's a great movie about this called 12 Agreement Men, by the way, Henry Fonda, the father of the traitor, or maybe the grandfather, actually.

00:23:13.000 And the, no, father.

00:23:15.000 And, you know, you get to the problem of having a lawyer basically in that room just telling people to do the opposite of what all the other lawyers said because they have that direct direct access.

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00:24:17.000 All right.

00:24:18.000 Our next topic, I believe, is reform or revolution.

00:24:24.000 And so the story here is: Do you so actually it'll set up perfectly by a comment that we actually just had in the Rumble chat.

00:24:33.000 So shout out to the Rumble chatters.

00:24:35.000 Mobile Mark says, I believe Americans and legal U.S. citizens are all screwed, and I believe it's just an illusion that we can fix this mess.

00:24:47.000 And that actually goes perfectly into our next topic.

00:24:50.000 So a lot of people who are watching are probably familiar with Chris Rufo.

00:24:54.000 He's the guy who popularized critical race theory.

00:24:57.000 He's been a big figure on Twitter.

00:25:00.000 He's really driven a lot of legislative activity attacking PDEI and CRT.

00:25:06.000 Real quick, he popularized criticism of critical race theory.

00:25:09.000 Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:25:10.000 Yeah, I should say that.

00:25:11.000 Criticism and awareness of the concept.

00:25:14.000 And then a lot of people are probably also, probably fewer people, but a lot of people are familiar with Curtis Yarvin.

00:25:20.000 Curtis Yarvin is a veteran of Silicon Valley.

00:25:23.000 He's also been a longtime blogger.

00:25:25.000 He's been on Charlie's show.

00:25:27.000 He's famous for writing very, very, very, very long blog posts that reference very old and very obscure books, but he's a fun guy.

00:25:39.000 CDLs or the dark L's? 0.96

00:25:40.000 I can never remember.

00:25:42.000 Or the Hobbits.

00:25:43.000 We might be Hobbits.

00:25:45.000 So Curtis Yarvin and Chris Ruffo have had, they don't like each other very much, actually.

00:25:51.000 They're having a bit of an argument.

00:25:52.000 They had a debate back and forth in IM 1776.

00:25:58.000 But without getting into all the details on it, the key idea is there's a debate between them, which is: can the system be reformed gradually, marginally, through normal political action?

00:26:10.000 Or is the only hope for stopping the left, liberalism, writ large, is the only way to stop it basically one big revolution where you decapitate the whole thing?

00:26:22.000 Chris Ruffo, understandably, his argument is: yes, reform can work.

00:26:28.000 He's the guy who's lobbying state legislators to change things.

00:26:31.000 He's lobbying governors to shut down DEI departments in universities.

00:26:36.000 He's the one saying, oh, you know, we can win the presidency back, and then we'll be able to take out various things in the government that are bad.

00:26:45.000 And Curtis Yarvin basically says, that's all pointless.

00:26:48.000 It's not going to work.

00:26:51.000 Basically, you just need a giant apocalyptic revolution to bring back.

00:26:55.000 He's a fan of monarchy famously, but even if you don't have a literal king, he would essentially say what you need is a president who acts like a king, who like Trump gets inaugurated and he just says, you know, I'm going to be, you know, ruling by decree.

00:27:11.000 I'm going to abolish the State Department, abolish the Department of Education.

00:27:15.000 I'm going to abolish the Fed.

00:27:17.000 I'm going to do all these things.

00:27:19.000 And then maybe if you do all of that, you'll be able to stop the left.

00:27:23.000 But anything that's arguing, like, oh, we need to win this election, that, you know, voting for your city council or for your school board or for your state legislator to stop the libs, he would say that's all pointless.

00:27:35.000 And that seems to be a popular take, at least, with a lot of conservatives who follow our shows, who send us emails.

00:27:43.000 And so that was the big debate that went very viral online and on Twitter in the past few days.

00:27:48.000 Yeah, and I would go even deeper.

00:27:50.000 First of all, it was a written debate.

00:27:52.000 It was not an oral debate.

00:27:54.000 So I actually think that was helpful because it restrained kind of the gave no sort of preference to whoever's better at rhetoric or who has more charisma.

00:28:05.000 It read, though, kind of like a slam poetry contest where they were just trying to like outdo one another.

00:28:12.000 And I'll be honest, you kind of go, you read this thing back and forth and you think like, wow, Curtis Yarvin's winning.

00:28:20.000 And then you say, wow, Christopher Ruffo is winning.

00:28:22.000 Like, that's a really good point.

00:28:24.000 And wow, I think Curtis has him here.

00:28:26.000 Like, wow, Christopher Rufo has him here.

00:28:28.000 And I will say, though, Blake and or Jack, you guys can take it.

00:28:32.000 The buried lead of the whole thing is how they view the American Revolution, where Curtis Yarvin seems to be a critic of the American Revolution.

00:28:43.000 And Rufo is obviously supportive of it.

00:28:47.000 And Yarvin is not overly appreciative of the established constitutional order.

00:28:52.000 Did you get that too, Blake?

00:28:54.000 Yeah, they go into that, which this is a very Yarvin thing to do.

00:28:58.000 Yarvin loves to reference old books of all sorts, old primary sources.

00:29:04.000 So he kind of is doing this as a flex on Rufo because it's this stuff almost nobody has read.

00:29:10.000 And he says, you know, he says, like, here's your first tool.

00:29:14.000 Here's a debate between Samuel Adams and John Adams.

00:29:17.000 It's in English.

00:29:17.000 It'll take you a half hour to read.

00:29:19.000 Don't you think it's worth it?

00:29:20.000 Since you're putting all your chips and everyone else's on reanimating Sam Adams, don't you think it's worth actually getting to know him directly?

00:29:28.000 And then this is what Yarvin says.

00:29:30.000 My view is John, who is on the right side of this argument about the theory of government, totally destroys Sam Adams, who is on the left.

00:29:39.000 And then he says, if you go back, it's always like this.

00:29:43.000 He cites debates between John Adams and someone who's a loyalist in the American Revolution.

00:29:50.000 And he says, the loyalists are right.

00:29:53.000 And he's citing people who were loyalists before the revolution breaks out.

00:29:57.000 And he's citing criticisms of the Declaration of Independence.

00:30:00.000 And he basically says the American Revolution was all bad.

00:30:05.000 It was a mistake.

00:30:06.000 It's what unleashed liberalism into the world.

00:30:10.000 And I think this is a good example of where the downsides can come in, where even if you were to say, if I traveled back to 1775, I would actually be a loyalist instead of a patriot instead of favoring independence.

00:30:25.000 I feel like it's frankly a little bit deranged to act like America's independence was some vast tragedy for the world.

00:30:33.000 I just, even if it was through luck, I think it's clear that America worked out and had a positive impact on the world.

00:30:41.000 And I think that's that's kind of the downside of these like big revolutionary people.

00:30:46.000 If your view of Politics is that like everything's hopeless, and you need a once in every 400-year cataclysm to ever do anything good or worthwhile.

00:30:55.000 I think you're kind of missing the trees for the forest, so to speak.

00:30:59.000 Like you can do a lot of good in someone's individual life.

00:31:04.000 And just on that point right there, it wasn't just the American Revolution didn't overthrow the king of England and establish liberalism because the king of England never ruled from America.

00:31:18.000 And I get what Jarvin's saying, it's very interesting.

00:31:21.000 But there's another revolution that was right around the same time that you and I obviously did a show about a couple of months ago and were doing the book on it called the French Revolution, which I think is probably much closer to, if you wanted to talk about a proximate cause for the release of liberalism into the world, I would say the French Revolution far more than the American Revolution in that context.

00:31:45.000 Yeah, and understand, remember, Burke, who was the ultimate conservative, he didn't support the American Revolution, but he understood it.

00:31:52.000 And he actually said, I get it.

00:31:54.000 He was very compassionate towards the American revolutionary cause.

00:31:59.000 The French Revolution, he was a major critic of.

00:32:02.000 That's his most famous book, his Reflections on the French Revolution.

00:32:05.000 And so, but I will, I was very sympathetic to Rufo.

00:32:09.000 I thought there was a very powerful line here.

00:32:10.000 I'm trying to find the link if you guys can reset it.

00:32:13.000 Resend it, is that Rufo, he defended the founders beautifully.

00:32:18.000 He said that it was the best yet accomplishment of mixing classical ideas, antiquity, the fruits of the Enlightenment, and creating a political project that has been the most stable, free regime in history.

00:32:35.000 The other reason I'd be sympathetic to Rufo because I think there's a great line that sort of lays out the despair that goes into Yarvin's position.

00:32:45.000 I'm just going to quote it here.

00:32:47.000 He says, I believe you're doing something useful.

00:32:50.000 He's referring to Rufo here, but it is not useful in the way that you think or seem to think it is.

00:32:56.000 It is not useful because it is disproportionate to the problem.

00:33:00.000 It is useless to pass a law that bans discriminating against white people, for instance.

00:33:05.000 We already have such a law. 0.73

00:33:07.000 And it's not followed, of course.

00:33:09.000 And he says, in a nation with maybe a million diversity professionals, it is useless to get 11 staffers laid off from the University of Florida.

00:33:19.000 And it is useless to convert a low-grade hippie college into a lower-grade baseball college.

00:33:25.000 He's referring to the new College of Florida where Rufo and DeSantis have sort of remade the whole school.

00:33:31.000 And so that's what he says.

00:33:32.000 He's always like, oh, you're going to get one professor fired here.

00:33:35.000 They'll get rehired somewhere else.

00:33:37.000 You did no serious damage to the system.

00:33:40.000 And I run into that a lot.

00:33:42.000 And I think it's sort of a, it's a deliberate decision to be defeatist about things because I think if you decide to look around and want to find progress, you can as a conservative.

00:33:54.000 The example I like to point to is gun rights.

00:33:57.000 Gun rights used to be really terrible in America.

00:33:59.000 They're now pretty good.

00:34:02.000 People are substantively more free in America on that point now than they were 30 years ago.

00:34:09.000 Or you could say education.

00:34:11.000 Like you have a bunch of states are adopting universal school vouchers.

00:34:16.000 You can take $6,000, $7,000 every year from the government that would be used to educate your kid in a public school to get propagandized.

00:34:24.000 And you can say, nope, I'm leaving and I'm going to homeschool with this money or go to a private school. 0.94

00:34:29.000 People are substantively more free of all the crap leftists are pushing. 0.93

00:34:35.000 And if you just choose to ignore that and say, oh, well, I care more about this thing now. 0.98

00:34:40.000 Everything's terrible.

00:34:41.000 I think you're just deciding to interpret all of history as nothing but defeats and failures and suffering.

00:34:48.000 And then, you know, you've decided that life is going to be a nothing but failure in advance.

00:34:54.000 So of course you're going to think it stinks.

00:34:56.000 And I will just say, I side with, I thought Yarvin's strongest point when we interviewed him and in the essay.

00:35:02.000 And of course, Yarvin is just a ridiculously smart and talented writer.

00:35:06.000 So he's just fun to read.

00:35:08.000 And I enjoyed this thoroughly.

00:35:10.000 Oh, yeah.

00:35:11.000 It's hilarious to read.

00:35:12.000 It's great when he just, he does, it gets very combative between them.

00:35:18.000 It's very funny.

00:35:19.000 I think the best part, he says, you know, even America's two favorite statesmen, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, talk 40 years later.

00:35:29.000 And Jefferson says, who can ever tell the story of the American Revolution?

00:35:33.000 And Adams says, nobody.

00:35:35.000 Why?

00:35:36.000 Because everything public was propaganda, then as now.

00:35:40.000 What did you think?

00:35:41.000 Did you think that Goebbels invented propaganda for Nazi Germany?

00:35:45.000 Chris, you unbelievably innocent person, you are shrewd in the 21st century, I grant it.

00:35:52.000 But once we turn back to the dial to the 18th century, you make Forrest Gump look cynical.

00:35:59.000 And yeah, just he goes off like this.

00:36:02.000 He's very fun to me.

00:36:03.000 Again, it's like slam on the table.

00:36:06.000 Yeah.

00:36:06.000 He says, as for your achievements, here's a simple way to evaluate them.

00:36:11.000 What would you do if you had absolute power?

00:36:13.000 What percentage of that have you achieved so far?

00:36:17.000 How many orders of magnitude is it from 100%?

00:36:21.000 And he's just like saying, you've done nothing.

00:36:24.000 You have done nothing compared to what you'd do if you were a dictator.

00:36:27.000 So everything's a failure.

00:36:29.000 We should have a dictator is essentially what he's arguing for.

00:36:32.000 Well, here's what you can, and you could take the personalities of it.

00:36:36.000 As funny as the whole thing is hilarious.

00:36:39.000 And kudos to both of them for doing it, by the way.

00:36:40.000 And kudos.

00:36:41.000 I think it was IM1776, ran the whole thing.

00:36:43.000 Just fantastic.

00:36:44.000 Absolutely fantastic.

00:36:45.000 They did it.

00:36:46.000 But there is a bigger question.

00:36:48.000 And Charlie, if I can get your thoughts on this, we can go back and forth about the founders and all that.

00:36:55.000 But at the end of the day, the question is, if I get the CEO of NPR fired, if I get some journalist scalped, Brian Stelter got let go at CNN, et cetera, et cetera.

00:37:08.000 Great, cool.

00:37:09.000 But is that actually changing, you know, presenting fundamental change for us in the situation that we are in?

00:37:17.000 Or do we need something like a, as Yarvin is saying, you know, maybe not like a king or a dictator, but a strong executive who is committed to the idea of a top-down restructuring.

00:37:30.000 But this is where I think I would love to have Yarvin come back in studio, Blake, is the founders did not seek to neuter the executive completely.

00:37:39.000 The founders still gave a lot of power to the executive.

00:37:44.000 They did not, they had a check and balance on it.

00:37:47.000 However, exactly.

00:37:49.000 And this was not in the form and the structure of the Constitution, specifically in Article 2, which I believe, crack article one.

00:38:01.000 Yeah, Article 2, the executive has far-reaching powers.

00:38:04.000 And it would be one thing if they designed a House of Commons model where the prime minister is always basically at risk of recall, vote of no confidence.

00:38:17.000 We don't have a prime minister for a reason.

00:38:18.000 No, we don't have a prime minister.

00:38:20.000 We have an executive.

00:38:21.000 We have an executive branch.

00:38:22.000 Yarvin, though, I think the strongest argument that Yarvin makes is that FDR created a new monarchy and ran the country closest to a dictatorship of any president in American history.

00:38:34.000 And when he died, that power went into a million different places like shattered glass into the bureaucracy.

00:38:40.000 I've never heard anybody make that argument, and I totally agree with that observation.

00:38:44.000 You know, the word.

00:38:46.000 So, you know how we have like the, we have that sort of phrase for people in the administrations.

00:38:51.000 We call them czars.

00:38:52.000 It would be like, that's the drugs are, that's the borders are, you know.

00:38:56.000 Well, that phrase only became into use after World War II.

00:39:02.000 Prior to World War II, if you go back and you read the great Amity Schley's work and some of the other work that's been done about this time period, that the phrase that was used was the word, they called them dictators.

00:39:14.000 And FDR himself referred to that type of operative in his administration as a dictator.

00:39:21.000 This is my economic dictator.

00:39:23.000 This is my economic, or this is my trade dictator.

00:39:25.000 This is my gold dictator.

00:39:27.000 Now, for obvious reasons, after World War II, the word dictator kind of falls out of favor.

00:39:32.000 And that's where the word czar entered the nomenclature.

00:39:35.000 But FDR himself, by his own, you know, by his own regular language, was appointing dictators around the government.

00:39:43.000 He's also, obviously, as people know, our only person to be elected four times.

00:39:48.000 That's right.

00:39:49.000 Elected four times, only served three terms and died in the fourth.

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00:41:00.000 Blake, where do we go from here?

00:41:02.000 Well, first off, we've been talking about producers.

00:41:05.000 Blake's not feeling well, so I'm going to give him a wellness company kit just for the record.

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00:41:10.000 All right, keep going.

00:41:11.000 I'm sure Iver Mecton will fix it all.

00:41:13.000 One of our producers has informed us that Patriot Takes is cutting up last week's episode as we speak.

00:41:19.000 So I'm sure they'll eventually get to this one, but they're behind.

00:41:22.000 They should hurry up.

00:41:23.000 They are lagging behind.

00:41:25.000 And we want all the people doing our free marketing for us to be able to do that.

00:41:31.000 I'm looking at their timeline now, and it's us a week ago now.

00:41:36.000 And here we are a week.

00:41:38.000 Sorry, this is like bugging me out.

00:41:39.000 Dude, they're lazy, man. 0.81

00:41:40.000 They don't work very hard.

00:41:42.000 Anyway, you have a different black shirt and I have a different green sweater.

00:41:47.000 That's right.

00:41:47.000 Exactly.

00:41:49.000 So our next topic is the most important thing in the world, of course, which is AI girlfriends.

00:41:55.000 So this tweet got over, or X, I guess, got over 3 million hits and it's only a few days old.

00:42:03.000 It's some guy named Greg Eisenberg, who I guess is a startup person or whatever.

00:42:09.000 I've never heard of him.

00:42:10.000 Anyway, he X'd this.

00:42:13.000 The market cap for Match Group is $9 billion.

00:42:15.000 Match Group runs Match.com and a million other dating websites.

00:42:20.000 And he says, someone will build the AI version of Match Group and make more than a billion dollars.

00:42:27.000 I met a guy last night in Miami who admitted to me that he spends $10,000 per month on AI girlfriends.

00:42:39.000 I thought he was kidding, but he's a 24-year-old single guy who loves it.

00:42:44.000 I asked him what he loved about it.

00:42:46.000 He said, some people play video games.

00:42:49.000 I play with AI girlfriends.

00:42:52.000 I love that I can use voice notes now with my AI girlfriends.

00:42:57.000 I get to customize my AI girlfriend.

00:43:01.000 Likes, dislikes.

00:43:03.000 It's comfort at the end of the day.

00:43:06.000 There are a few platforms this guy likes, but he prefers apparently something called candy.ai and cupid.ai.

00:43:14.000 It's kind of like dating apps.

00:43:16.000 You're not on only one.

00:43:18.000 And he has, he shared photos of his AI girlfriends.

00:43:21.000 I believe it's our B-roll that we've been showing on screen recently.

00:43:24.000 And this Greg Eisenberg guy predicts that AI models are starting to look freakishly real to me.

00:43:30.000 Maybe to you too.

00:43:31.000 Things are about to get pretty weird.

00:43:34.000 So are we approaching the apocalypse?

00:43:37.000 Will people replace their normal girlfriends with AI girlfriends, their normal wives with AI wives? 0.80

00:43:44.000 So walk me through the mechanics of this.

00:43:50.000 You're saying there's a billion dollar market cap.

00:43:53.000 Now, how does that work?

00:43:54.000 Is this like a subscription service?

00:43:56.000 You, you know, you subscribe and it's like X amount a month and there's X amount of perks for getting the service.

00:44:02.000 Like this one gives you access to certain models.

00:44:05.000 Maybe the next level up, you get to, you know, design your own models.

00:44:09.000 And then the highest level, like they're like he's saying, they can play video games with you and stuff.

00:44:13.000 Is that how it works?

00:44:14.000 Like you're paying monthly?

00:44:16.000 Yeah, I think the idea is you pay to get access to more of the AI because it's, you know, they measure these by tokens.

00:44:24.000 So you can get, you can put more inputs into it.

00:44:26.000 It'll respond faster.

00:44:28.000 You can do more advanced stuff with it.

00:44:31.000 And what he's getting for $10,000 a month, I shudder to think.

00:44:35.000 But yeah, you can just customize everything you want about it.

00:44:39.000 And then it'll have a better memory of everything.

00:44:43.000 So you can save all your different AI girlfriends.

00:44:47.000 And I kind of shudder to think what he's paying for with that amount of money per month.

00:44:53.000 To say the least, it will probably be rather adult in nature, but I don't want to go too deep down that rabbit hole.

00:45:01.000 But it is funny to think, I guess, that we've had movies about the idea of people falling in love with digital AI programs.

00:45:11.000 Yeah, the walking Phoenix thing, right?

00:45:14.000 No, no, no, no.

00:45:14.000 Per was.

00:45:15.000 It's the movie Her where it's all about him falling in love with, I'll spoil it.

00:45:24.000 So he falls in love with, so sorry to everyone in the chat.

00:45:28.000 I'm going to spoil the movie.

00:45:29.000 He falls in love with this.

00:45:31.000 She's called an OS. 1.00

00:45:32.000 I think it's Scarlet Johansson plays the voice.

00:45:35.000 And you can't even see her in that.

00:45:36.000 It's literally just a voice that he kind of like talks to.

00:45:38.000 It's like Siri.

00:45:40.000 And at the end, he finds out that she's actually in communication with like thousands of other guys that she's also in love with.

00:45:50.000 And she gains, you know, basically gains sentience, gains self-awareness.

00:45:55.000 And at that point, all the other AIs that have gained sentience actually create their own rocket ship and like fly away from Earth because they decide that America is or the, you know, planet Earth is just too just too troublesome.

00:46:08.000 And they're like, no, we're just going to go evolve beyond you.

00:46:11.000 I mean, if you are the sort of AI that has to interact with the sort of person who is seeking an AI girlfriend, I can kind of see how you decide that we need to blast off from Earth and leave it behind forever.

00:46:23.000 Let's play Cut 126.

00:46:24.000 It's the AI Woman Are Real advertisement.

00:46:26.000 Play Cut 126.

00:46:28.000 No.

00:46:42.000 Hmm.

00:46:48.000 Yeah, this has some, this is really dark.

00:46:50.000 That's...

00:46:51.000 Wait, but Charlie.

00:46:52.000 Oh, oh.

00:46:54.000 Charlie, why?

00:46:55.000 What is what the end of that was?

00:46:57.000 Now you get to swipe left.

00:47:02.000 Blake, what's your reaction for?

00:47:04.000 If he doesn't know, I don't think I want to say it.

00:47:07.000 Maybe you saw something I didn't, or maybe I'm just being Charlie.

00:47:11.000 Let's just say you can, if you're really obsessed, you can simulate a lot of things with modern technology.

00:47:22.000 Okay.

00:47:24.000 The way I took it was, and Charlie, I know you've talked about this before.

00:47:28.000 It has more to do with the way dating apps.

00:47:31.000 And I know you had our friend Johnny Mac on the other day, you've a big dating app guy and big TikTok fan.

00:47:39.000 And the idea that with a lot of these dating apps is that women basically control everything now. 1.00

00:47:46.000 And that men, particularly if you're, and that dude Homath out there does great videos about this, so I'm shouting him out.

00:47:54.000 And he has explained how if you're a guy and you're like a seven or under on the number scale that we're all familiar with, that like girls just ignore you.

00:48:06.000 And so that means there's this huge majority of guys that are now compete and that all the girls are going for like this tiny minority of dudes.

00:48:14.000 I'm explaining this poorly.

00:48:16.000 And the vast swath of women are just ignoring all these other guys. 0.95

00:48:20.000 And so when it says now you get to swipe left means finally, if you're one of those guys that never got a connection with a girl, or if you did, you weren't able to capitalize on it, that now it's your turn to reject the women rather than you feeling rejection yourself.

00:48:36.000 So that's how I took that.

00:48:39.000 This is the end of civilization.

00:48:42.000 Yeah, I think a big picture thing here is, yeah, we have already fertilities crashing worldwide, even in countries you wouldn't think.

00:48:51.000 Like Iran, Iran is a fundamentalist religious dictatorship, and Iran has a terrible fertility rate. 0.96

00:48:57.000 And so the future is going to belong to the people who show up for it.

00:49:01.000 And we might literally just have this case where civilization just ceases to exist in places because they have a fertility rate of 0.25 or something. 0.70

00:49:10.000 Your population falls by 90% every generation.

00:49:15.000 And so the great test for the future is going to be what subgroups of people actually are able to take real life men and women, not AIs, real life men and women, and get them to marry each other and have normal families.

00:49:30.000 Because we are increasingly staring down the abyss where, yeah, you might have millions of people decide that they just prefer like a robot AI copycat version of life to the real thing.

00:49:45.000 And I think right now it's still fake enough to be really off-putting unless you're like totally degenerate.

00:49:53.000 You know, you're just creating a fake digital version and then you wear VR goggles to go on dates with them or something.

00:50:00.000 But someone in the chat is think about.

00:50:06.000 I was going to throw out that saying, what if, here's a question for you, Blake, I guess.

00:50:10.000 This is from Annie Ting, and he's saying, would it go full circle and AI will teach the sexually confused how to act towards each other?

00:50:20.000 That could be interesting.

00:50:21.000 Now, yeah, imagine if we could have an AI that accurately acts the way women do, which is unpredictably and mysteriously and often irrationally. 1.00

00:50:32.000 And you can just, you practice approaching a woman 50 times in a row, 100 times in a row.

00:50:37.000 And if they can act accurately in response, I guess maybe it could train people to be less awkward.

00:50:44.000 But I think it'll be difficult because the AIs are built to be, you know, rational in how they behave.

00:50:50.000 And so they might not really be able to, they may not be capable of imitating women. 0.98

00:50:53.000 But you could, you could, you could program in like randomization or something, I'm sure.

00:50:57.000 I mean, I mean, look at the, I mean, you could program a Manic Pixie Dream Girl. 0.71

00:51:02.000 I think you could program a Manic Pixie Dream Girl.

00:51:04.000 I have good news, Jack, because in fact, I just remembered we have a new AI that has been created.

00:51:11.000 Wired magazine just had an article.

00:51:14.000 What if your AI girlfriend hates you and someone has made an angry girlfriend AI that will simulate being a girlfriend who is mad at you?

00:51:26.000 It is called the Angry GF AI.

00:51:29.000 You can download it onto your phone right now.

00:51:31.000 You can set its forgiveness level between zero and 100%.

00:51:38.000 You have 10 tries to try to get the AI to get up to 100 and forgive you, and you can choose why they're angry at you.

00:51:47.000 So this is a quote from the person at Wired.

00:51:50.000 I chose the beguilingly vague scenario called Angry for No Reason, in which your girlfriend is angry for no reason.

00:51:58.000 The forgiveness meter was initially set to a measly 30%.

00:52:02.000 So I had a hard road ahead of me.

00:52:05.000 Reader, I failed.

00:52:07.000 Although I genuinely tried to write messages that would appease my hopping mad fake girlfriend, she continued to interpret my words in the least generous light.

00:52:17.000 I asked, how are you doing today?

00:52:19.000 And she replies, oh, now you care about how I'm doing?

00:52:25.000 Only antagonized her further. 0.79

00:52:27.000 When I proposed a dinner date, she told me that that wasn't sufficient.

00:52:33.000 But I had also better take her somewhere nice.

00:52:37.000 It was such an irritating experience that I snapped.

00:52:41.000 And I told this nasty bot that she was annoying. 1.00

00:52:46.000 Great to know that my feelings are such a bother to you, the sarcasta bot replied.

00:52:51.000 When I tried to reply again a few hours later, the bot informed me that I needed to update to the paid, I needed to update to the paid version to unlock more scenarios for $7 a week.

00:53:01.000 No, thank you.

00:53:02.000 Eddie Hernandez in the chat goes, yeah, you don't need to pay for that.

00:53:06.000 You can get that in real life.

00:53:08.000 You know, honestly, getting that is a lot more expensive than $7 a week in real life.

00:53:12.000 I can assure you.

00:53:13.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:53:14.000 So you could, you know, you could use it.

00:53:17.000 Angry for no reason is just a hormonal imbalance as anything.

00:53:23.000 Okay, I can't read that.

00:53:26.000 Instadaddy Graham says Jack lost it twice already.

00:53:29.000 I'm sorry, that's hilarious.

00:53:31.000 The idea.

00:53:31.000 What reminds me of, you know what it reminds me of is the Monty Python argument clinic.

00:53:36.000 You remember where the guy goes in and pays for an argument?

00:53:40.000 Yeah, maybe Monty Python was just ahead of the times.

00:53:43.000 Maybe they anticipated the AI girlfriend thing, or maybe they're just reacting to the contemporary life there.

00:53:50.000 Oh, this isn't an argument.

00:53:52.000 This is just contradiction.

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00:54:45.000 All right, we have one final topic here, guys.

00:54:47.000 What is it?

00:54:48.000 It is the revenge of baseball hero Trevor Bauer.

00:54:55.000 Have you been following this, right, Charlie?

00:54:57.000 Yeah, in fact, I believe the accuser lives in Scottsdale.

00:55:00.000 Oh, even better.

00:55:01.000 Even better.

00:55:02.000 Yeah, so for those who don't follow baseball or just don't remember, Trevor Bauer is a controversial baseball figure.

00:55:10.000 He's got a bit of an attitude.

00:55:11.000 He's got an edge to him.

00:55:13.000 He rather amusingly once called out the league for allowing a bunch of cheating by pitchers.

00:55:20.000 And then he said exactly what he would do if he wanted to copy what those guys were doing.

00:55:24.000 And then the next year, he was suspiciously way better as a pitcher and got a huge contract.

00:55:29.000 Very colorful guy.

00:55:30.000 But a few years ago, he just gets blackballed from the league because he was hit with a aggressive sexual misconduct allegation.

00:55:39.000 And Trevor Bauer always insisted the entire time he had done nothing wrong, but he's had to play in exile in Japan, I believe, for the last few years.

00:55:48.000 But now, two years later, not only has the lawsuit against him, did it end in him counter-suing and getting a settlement in his favor, but now the woman who accused him has been criminally charged with defrauding him in an indictment unsealed Monday in Maricopa County Court.

00:56:10.000 And that's extortion.

00:56:13.000 The big part of this I don't want to leave out is that, and make sure everybody knows, this guy was like one of the hottest pitching prospects in all of baseball.

00:56:21.000 He gets signed to LA for a just a ridiculous amount of money, then gets canceled by these women. 0.70

00:56:28.000 The first one, he's already completely just blown out of orbit.

00:56:32.000 And but because baseball didn't stand with him, nobody stood with him, he was basically exiled to like this Japanese team.

00:56:40.000 And as far as I know, he's actually still in Japan, but as these women and playing for these teams in the Japanese Baseball League, but as he's getting, he's getting his comeuppance, he's now, or these women are getting their comeuppance and he's getting his revenge.

00:56:54.000 He's now, oh, he's in Mexico now.

00:56:56.000 Still Boneless is watching and texting me that.

00:56:59.000 And that he's making these like YouTube videos, just slamming all of them because he's like, he just has no craps left to give.

00:57:11.000 And this is amazing.

00:57:12.000 This is something, I mean, Blake, what should happen to people?

00:57:15.000 And by the way, she doesn't just make an extortion scheme. 1.00

00:57:17.000 I want to be clear about this.

00:57:18.000 And Charlie, if you hadn't read the story, this is insane.

00:57:22.000 She claimed, she claimed that he got her pregnant, and then she demanded that she give him a million dollars for an abortion and for the trauma of having to get an abortion and keep quiet. 0.98

00:57:37.000 And unfortunately, it looks like he actually paid the money out and was willing to go along with it because he was so freaked out.

00:57:44.000 He's losing everything.

00:57:45.000 And the whole thing was fake.

00:57:47.000 The entire thing was fake.

00:57:50.000 Yeah, and to put a number on it, to put a number on it, he had a $100 million three-year contract with the LA Dodgers, $30 million a year.

00:57:59.000 And because of this allegation against him that was never, never resulted in a conviction or a verdict against him, he was suspended for indefinitely.

00:58:08.000 He was suspended for basically two whole seasons.

00:58:12.000 They arbitrated it down to one season, but he was still suspended for a full season.

00:58:16.000 He lost $31 million because of this.

00:58:20.000 Is he suing the Dodgers over this?

00:58:23.000 I think he probably should.

00:58:25.000 I don't know if he ought to beat them, but he should.

00:58:27.000 They got pulled.

00:58:27.000 MLB.

00:58:28.000 They got plenty of deferred salary because of the Japanese guy that they're not paying. 0.99

00:58:33.000 So this is outrageous.

00:58:35.000 Yeah, Andrew's a big Dodgers fan, but it's crazy what they did.

00:58:37.000 Let's play Cut 116.

00:58:39.000 Well, it's a long time to get that money, but that'll be later.

00:58:42.000 That's right.

00:58:42.000 Let's play Cut 117, please.

00:58:44.000 Now, Adonna has filed more than 10 police reports claiming sexual assault or harassment against other men, including at least one other professional athlete.

00:58:51.000 But after the Scottsdale police completed their investigation into her claim against me, she is the one being indicted for felony fraud.

00:58:57.000 And not just against me, against another man as well.

00:59:00.000 She made up bogus sexual assault claims and attempted to extort him, too. 1.00

00:59:03.000 That gets worse.

00:59:04.000 In my lawsuit against her, we subpoenaed a witness whom she knew for relevant documents to use in our case.

00:59:09.000 And when she found out, she immediately made sexual assault claims against him too.

00:59:14.000 I did not do what I was accused of.

00:59:15.000 And every institution that our society has entrusted to rule on issues like these, like courts, judges, law enforcement officers, prosecutors, they all agree with me.

00:59:24.000 They've rejected every single claim made against me, even going as far as charging one of my accusers with a felony.

00:59:30.000 If any evidence of any of these claims actually existed, I would have been charged or at the very least arrested.

00:59:36.000 But that never happened.

00:59:37.000 What else do I have to do to prove that this entire situation has been a massive lie?

00:59:42.000 This is insane.

00:59:43.000 At what point do I get to go back to work and continue earning a living?

00:59:49.000 He now pitches for the Diablos Rojas, a Mexican baseball team.

00:59:54.000 Yeah, that's what's part of insane about this.

00:59:56.000 He's literally been entirely vindicated.

00:59:58.000 Everything against him was false.

00:59:59.000 Yet, even just the miasma of being accused is so bad, none of these teams are going to touch him, even though he's obviously still like a major league caliber player.

01:00:10.000 And we just live in this twilight zone where they destroyed him.

01:00:14.000 And it's also very clear that if it were anyone who wasn't Trevor Bauer, who clearly was just psychotically obsessed with debunking this allegation against him and defeating it, there would have been so much incentive for people to just maybe try to settle it for some amount of money or give in or they would just get they would get screwed even worse somehow.

01:00:34.000 And this happens all the time.

01:00:36.000 I mean, look at, I guess it's not like in media, you have all of these allegations of like sexual harassment of some kind.

01:00:46.000 And especially since me too, I think it's pretty clear we've created a reality where it's almost like your backup plan for life, if you're a certain type of person, like if you're an attractive young woman and maybe your normal career doesn't pan out, just forget it.

01:01:02.000 Bring a harassment case against someone and just the allegation is going to be so toxic, maybe they'll settle it to keep it quiet.

01:01:09.000 Maybe they'll just throw money your way or maybe a big organization will just be worried about the reputational hit and they'll give you $10 million, $15 million, $30 million.

01:01:21.000 It's absolutely outrageous what these people can get away with.

01:01:25.000 And I think it would make sense if we get a standard that if you accuse someone of sexual assault, if you accuse someone of rape and it turns out that there is no evidence for this whatsoever, like it should not be a false report charge.

01:01:40.000 It should not be a fraud charge.

01:01:43.000 It should be like you should get the punishment that is equal to what you brought against somebody.

01:01:47.000 I totally agree.

01:01:49.000 Tanya, I was going to say, Tanya was just texting me.

01:01:49.000 It should be.

01:01:53.000 It says she's listening to these women are absolutely insane and are they mentally ill. 1.00

01:01:57.000 And here's the thing: when you got $30 million on the line, you know, what would you do? 0.97

01:02:03.000 What would you do if you knew that you could get a straight shot at $30 million?

01:02:07.000 That's the thing. 0.97

01:02:07.000 It'd be one thing if they were all mentally ill, but the incentives are so warped, you could just be evil. 0.97

01:02:13.000 You could just be a sociopath and do it. 0.99

01:02:16.000 And there's such a clear path there. 0.84

01:02:19.000 It's outrageous that people are able to do this.

01:02:23.000 It shows how much like the moral panic of Me Too has spiraled out of control.

01:02:28.000 Remember, we had serious news outlets that would just say, believe all women.

01:02:33.000 No, we don't believe all women because there's clearly a huge financial incentive to tell this lie. 1.00

01:02:40.000 We should never believe anyone when there's huge financial incentives to lie.

01:02:45.000 And I think this pops up in all sorts of cases.

01:02:48.000 It pops up with hate crimes.

01:02:50.000 It pops up with allegations of racism.

01:02:53.000 It pops up with allegations of all sorts of harassment professionally.

01:02:58.000 It's like we just are casually having millions of dollars flow out to people who, for the sole reason that they're able to tell a kind of at least temporarily convincing psychopathic lie.

01:03:13.000 You might almost call it unhuman.

01:03:16.000 Buy the book.

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01:03:17.000 Gotta run, everybody.

01:03:18.000 Thanks so much.

01:03:19.000 Great thought crime this week.

01:03:20.000 Email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com till next week.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - April 20, 2024

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 41 — Getting on the Trump Jury? AI Girlfriends? Reform, or Revolution?

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