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00:02:40.000The great silent majority is rising like never before.
00:03:50.000He's being threatened with jail for contempt because he just keeps truthing up a storm.
00:03:55.000And a lot of fans say, they've been saying this for a few weeks at this point, that Donald Trump should call the judges bluff and intentionally try to go to jail for contempt.
00:04:06.000A lot of people are saying, or they were saying he should go to Barron's graduation and make them throw him in jail for that.
00:04:34.000Because if you want to think if the country was not completely flung apart economically, but the stuff that, excuse my language, piss people off the most, like high rent, high gas, high credit card is not going away.
00:04:45.000And I think people, they get crushed with their bills every night.
00:04:49.000And then they see Trump going to jail.
00:04:51.000It's kind of like a super insult to them.
00:04:53.000Like for someone who's not as politically sophisticated, it feels and sounds like I can't pay my rent and you guys are wasting your time with this.
00:05:01.000It seems as if that's the way that a lot of Americans are processing it.
00:05:06.000I mean, so far this election cycle, I mean, the story of 2024, when I think in the history books, is going to be every time they came at Donald Trump, he got more popular with the base, with conservative movement, with independents.
00:05:19.000And so I think that the Democrats are really looking at this and they're not unified on the decision to jail Trump.
00:05:29.000It's the ultra, ultra radical part of the party.
00:05:32.000And so just like our, you know, our lock corrupt chance, right?
00:05:36.000That probably would have actually made Hillary Clinton.
00:06:24.000You just don't know what is beyond that.
00:06:27.000And so it could be good, but it could also be really bad.
00:06:30.000It could be that a lot of normal people who are following this lightly would just see this and be like, whoa, Trump's in jail.
00:06:36.000He must have done a thing really bad that the judge did that.
00:06:39.000And they won't necessarily follow the whole like, oh, yeah, the gag order he's on was like BS and they did all this stuff to like throw him in.
00:06:47.000They would just think, oh, he did a clownish thing and now he's in jail.
00:06:50.000And then they're going to convict him.
00:06:52.000And that might be the only way he goes to jail because even if they convict him, they have to do sentencing.
00:07:45.000Then, with the power of social media, which obviously didn't exist during OJ's time, but with the power of social media and all those other cases, the clips go viral when you see these high-profile cases at the state level put on television and then we get the video out.
00:07:59.000Now, under New York, for whatever reason, this is a state-level case, and yet it's not televised.
00:08:05.000And that's the first reason that this is just getting no traction whatsoever with the media, because otherwise you'd be getting these clips of Stormy Daniels, and the left would be pushing that, but then Trump's defense team would be cross-examining her, and she'd be tripped up.
00:08:20.000And then, you know, that side would be pushing that, or Trump would make some kind of face and be us, you know, kind of comment.
00:08:28.000And then we'd all be, you know, talking about it right now on thought crime.
00:08:30.000But of course, not because we're not getting clips.
00:08:32.000So that's how the world works right now: everybody gets their clips out.
00:08:36.000However, there's the second part of it too, is that no one can actually explain what the crime is.
00:08:42.000And when I say no one, I don't mean the people here who like we're like political wonks for a living and you know we're all involved in the process in one way or another.
00:08:51.000It's because the average person who's watching this, I think they're understanding that.
00:08:57.000And I've talked to people about this who are kind of like outside of the, what you were just saying, like outside of the bubble.
00:09:02.000And they're like, so he went to jail for having, or they want to put him in jail for having an affair with a stripper or something.
00:09:21.000And so it's so confusing to the average person what exactly the crime is that it just kind of plays out like a Stormy Daniels thing from, and again, she's been around for like eight years.
00:09:53.000It is a case no one who's not paying a ton of attention can really understand.
00:09:58.000What I'm not sure of is whether that is overall good or bad, because if it's something no one can understand, that means they also can't quite understand that it's a total joke.
00:10:10.000I've often said to you, of the four criminal cases against Trump, this is, in my opinion, by far the most legally BS one.
00:10:18.000That Mar-a-Lago, like, it's ticky tack, but it sort of like is a crime if he did it.
00:10:25.000Georgia is bullcrap, but it's like, it's more marginal bullcrap.
00:10:30.000This one is just a true like Soviet style.
00:10:32.000We have invented a crime that has no one has ever been charged with before, and no one ever else will ever be charged with this again, just invented to take out one guy.
00:10:49.000So if he does get convicted, it won't be super bad.
00:10:52.000People won't think, oh, he's guilty of murder or, you know, like massive corruption.
00:10:58.000But they will think, oh, yeah, he committed a crime.
00:11:02.000I don't, I don't like, we shouldn't elect a criminal president.
00:11:05.000I just think there's going to be this 10 to 15% normie blob of the public that is just in an old-fashioned way going to be pretty offended by the idea of a criminal being the president.
00:11:18.000And that's why I don't think Trump should, you know, lean into getting thrown in jail because I don't think he's quite that level of folk hero with a majority of the population, definitely with his supporters, but they support him anyway.
00:11:32.000So I don't think you should race into that.
00:11:34.000And one thing about it is, I think if he goes to jail for contempt, he increases the odds that he gets convicted.
00:11:40.000Like, I think that will make the jury turn more against him.
00:13:42.000It was just really interesting that I witnessed that.
00:13:44.000I have a question for Blake, actually, because I get the sense you've been following the trial.
00:13:50.000I've been following the trial as well.
00:13:51.000And you mentioned something a couple of times that I hadn't even really considered.
00:13:56.000I got a phone call from someone today who is like not a regular Trump supporter, but someone I'm friends with and from the DC area and was like, there's a real chance that Trump actually gets acquitted or there is a hung jury here because the case is just so incredibly bad.
00:14:17.000And I wanted to ask, have you been following it?
00:14:19.000And were you coming to that conclusion as well based on how bad the case is?
00:14:23.000The New York case is weird because what's so bad about it is kind of at a higher level where I don't know the whole process for appeals, but it's something that should just not be on trial.
00:14:34.000It is the sort of thing that there should be a federal judge or some level of judge who comes in and says, this is an obvious miscarriage of justice and we are not allowing this travesty to happen where you are.
00:14:47.000Again, for anyone who hasn't followed this in New York, what they are doing is they are saying that Donald Trump made hush money payments to someone and he falsified business records to do this.
00:14:58.000That is a crime, a felony, because he's doing it to cover up another crime.
00:15:02.000It's only a felony if they're not going to be able to do it.
00:15:03.000They can't tell you what that other crime is.
00:15:05.000Well, so it's only a felony if you're covering up another felony.
00:15:09.000So the felony they're alleging is that he broke federal election law, which means one, New York is prosecuting him for supposedly breaking laws in a totally separate jurisdiction.
00:15:32.000They considered it and they declined to press charges.
00:15:36.000So this is an offense he has explicitly been cleared of.
00:15:40.000And then New York is just saying, actually, we think you did it.
00:15:43.000And so we're going to prosecute you for this.
00:15:46.000And even then, it would be a bullcrap case because it would be saying any money you spend that can help your reputation is actually a campaign expenditure, which would be a massive expansion of what we count as a campaign expenditure.
00:15:59.000Every level of this is completely insane.
00:16:03.000Whether the jury recognizes that, I don't think we're going to get an acquittal.
00:16:13.000What I wonder is, would that be enough to make the left decide we need to get rid of unanimous juries?
00:16:18.000We need 10-2, something like that, which they have until now really hated.
00:16:23.000They've always hated it because it makes it more likely that people will go to jail, basically.
00:16:30.000And of course, the left loves having criminals be out of jail as long as they just murder people or rob people and aren't just politicians they dislike.
00:17:17.000No, that's like, that's like, you ever watch those movies and it's like the inventor and he's like, he's got this or like, how do you shrink the kids is like this with Rick Moranis in the beginning.
00:17:28.000And it's, you know, he's like, you know, it's a machine that like brushes your teeth when you wake up and it makes the toast and cracks the eggs and it's just all these crazy little devices for, you know, producing these mundane tasks.
00:17:40.000And it's basically this contraption that's completely put together by like duct tape and spit and bubblegum and doesn't seem like it should be serious or ever taken seriously by any actual person.
00:17:53.000And yet that's the kind of indictment that Alvin Bragg has brought.
00:17:57.000The Rube book gold machine of indictments.
00:18:00.000So my thought is we should not lean into enabling this machine by saying like, oh, we're going to intentionally go to jail.
00:18:07.000I understand where it comes from, but I think it would be a mistake.
00:20:30.000Meaning in 2020, alumni would have been like, oh, well, you know, if you're racist, you have to play a, you know, you have to pay a price for it.
00:20:36.000Here's, here's the thought-provoking question.
00:20:41.000Again, I'm not a big believer in destroying people's lives over blackface, even if it is legit blackface.
00:20:46.000Now, if, again, context matters, but I cannot see a context where other than if you are, especially if you're a kid, but if you're an adult and you're wearing blackface and you're doing it to try to be racist to a black person, that's a separate issue.
00:20:58.000But I don't, meaning like, and has that ever helped?
00:21:02.000But for example, like plenty of Megan Silver, that Silverman, Sarah Silverman wore blackface and Joy Behar wore blackface and they haven't had their careers canceled.
00:21:13.000And it's selective Megan Kelly who did get canceled.
00:21:15.000Yeah, but it's selective cultural enforcement.
00:21:18.000And I don't think there should be a kid.
00:21:20.000Let's say those kids were wearing blackface.
00:21:22.000I don't think those kids should have been canceled.
00:23:30.000Well, I was going to say that the thing that it reminds me of is this, similar to, I guess, the situation with the frat boy at, I believe it was Ole Miss and, you know, released.
00:23:43.000I don't know if he was, or I guess he was a frat boy.
00:23:45.000He's been kicked out of his frat for, I guess, you know, he was part of a group that was taunting this black pro-Hamas, you know, pro-Hamas person.
00:23:55.000And the question is, you know, was he really making racial tones?
00:24:00.000And, you know, or even if it was, you know, the question is, like, are you really going to cancel him over that versus like pulling him off?
00:24:07.000Like, I think a good way, there's this economist, Brian Kaplan, who's a libertarian, but sometimes when they have a cancel frenzy, he likes to ask, like, okay, rationally speaking, is this worse than a husband cheating on his wife and like leaving her and his kids to be with his mistress?
00:24:24.000Something that, one, happens all the time.
00:24:27.000Two, people often remain friends with those who do it.
00:24:30.000And like, three, we allow public figures to do it and basically suffer no criminal or even not much social sanction for it.
00:24:37.000And so is anything like this, is doing blackface and having a photo of it appear on Twitter worse than that?
00:24:43.000Is making like a king kong noise at a protest worse than that?
00:24:47.000And I would say in both cases, the answer is no.
00:24:50.000And at the least, and for that matter, we're more forgiving of people who like commit assault and robbery or who point guns at women's abdomens and then later become career criminals.
00:25:01.000Like we have some sort of bizarre moral hierarchy problem where something that makes people kind of mildly uncomfortable in their stomach is treated as this grave moral atrocity.
00:25:13.000And I think it's because the ultimate sin is thou shalt not be racist.
00:25:17.000And like, I think if we have a collective exhaustion with that, and maybe we see that in the form of this jury ruling, or when you might see it in the sense of even like the roast of Tom Brady, like the roast of Tom Brady had all of these transgressive jokes, and everyone seems to agree that it was amazing and hilarious.
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00:27:54.000So the hook story on this was we have this new study out of the UK from the Center for Policy Studies, which sounds like the fakest organization in the world, which they studied immigration into the United Kingdom.
00:28:06.000And they found, surprise, surprise, that all of the immigration that was going to save their economy and their pension system and everything actually had basically no positive effect on their economic growth, but it was driving up housing costs because London is an incredibly crowded city and they can't build anything because you can't build anything in modern countries anymore.
00:28:24.000So let me ask you: when I go on campus, they will an activist or a student will commonly say, Well, immigrants are in net benefit to society and they are the refugees, they'll pay into society, they'll pay taxes.
00:29:50.000We don't have as many people come here who are one year old or 75 years old.
00:29:55.000But when we check the numbers in some countries, especially in Europe, Europe, it's actually like worse than here, where they just love to admit people who are a total drag on their country.
00:30:07.000Like they'll run the numbers in Germany and Afghan migrants and such, who they let in, you know, a million of them in 2015, a million, half a million, some big number like that.
00:30:16.000And something like only 62% of them have any form of employment years later.
00:30:22.000You know, it's almost been a decade now.
00:30:23.000They're like 10, 15% below overall German adults.
00:30:28.000And then these adults from Afghanistan, way less likely to work.
00:30:31.000And then when they do work, they work for less.
00:30:34.000And the ones who are not working are more likely to be on XYZ social program.
00:30:38.000But that's not what this discussion is about, Charlie.
00:30:41.000We're going to talk about something more important.
00:30:51.000The Conservative Party's going to get completely wrecked.
00:30:53.000So the question is, which all the English-speaking countries are clearly in decline, which English-speaking country is in the worst decline?
00:31:03.000And I'm going to be, just so people know, I'm going to be putting up a live poll right now that we're going to be conducting.
00:31:10.000So you mean birth rate decline or no, straight up, like which of these countries from our read, do we just feel is declining the worst?
00:31:17.000Now, just to quick outline them, Britain, we've got, they're absolutely being flooded by migrants from Africa and India and a million other places.
00:32:07.000Ireland, Ireland is an underrated one.
00:32:10.000They're a total head case here because they're kind of having this like hick lib post-Catholic weirdo guilt thing where they've decided that being a Christian country all those years was a big mistake and they're acting out in a really wild way now.
00:32:23.000Like abortion was banned in Ireland a decade ago and now they're basically running around being like, abort everything.
00:32:29.000We have to have Mac, like we have to take God out of our constitution.
00:32:33.000We have to send Satanists to Eurovision.
00:33:17.000We are going to conduct this poll right now.
00:33:18.000It's very official, very serious poll that I'm going to launch right now on Twitter, and then we're going to come back to at the very end of the episode.
00:34:56.000One of the creepiest ones, you hear about this all the time in Australia.
00:34:59.000So they have all these Chinese university students just like we do.
00:35:03.000And it's just absolute naked corruption where they know, like, don't fail the Chinese students.
00:35:08.000So I've heard accounts from Australian academics where someone will come in and they'll have their English paper and they'll feed it through, like translate this using Google to Chinese and then back to English.
00:35:17.000And then they submit it so it all comes out, you know, not weird.
00:35:22.000And then it's like auto A because they're like, oh, this is one of the Chinese students.
00:35:58.000It's that point where you realize all the complaints liberals make, where they're like, the U.S., the capitalist economic system, is corrupt and exploitative and produces nothing.
00:36:07.000And you realize it's because they're in academia, which is full of liberal communism and therefore actually is all of those things.
00:36:14.000Or like Hollywood, like they'll just say sexual harassment is in every industry because the industry they run, Hollywood, actually has tons of it.
00:36:22.000Is it the case, Jack, that let's take Canada, not that it's the worst, but is it the nicety and the pleasant nature of these countries that has been used against them?
00:36:33.000A bunch of the comments are saying this is a trick question because Canada is already ruined.
00:37:16.000Yeah, a lot of people saying Canada, England.
00:37:19.000And yeah, they're really talking about how in Canada, the cops are defending the Palestinian protesters over Israel.
00:37:28.000I mean, Canada is just, yeah, Charlie, to your point, your original question, it is because of the sort of like Canadian niceness and agreeableness, and which has really turned into a aversion to confrontation.
00:37:44.000And it's that same aversion to confrontation we see across so much of Western society, particularly the Western church.
00:37:52.000I think that has led to just a huge problem in our society because we don't actually have people that are willing to confront any of these things.
00:37:59.000Yeah, it's a tragedy what's really happened to the West here.
00:39:10.000Oh, and I agreed with many, many things you said during, in fact, probably more than most other candidates when you were running for president.
00:39:18.000But I still would not have voted for you because you're an Indian.
00:39:52.000But the core around which the nation's values are formed is the WASP.
00:39:56.000We have never had a president who didn't have at least partial English ancestry, Coulter continued.
00:40:03.000And she said that if any of Ramaswamy's children married a member of the daughters of the American Revolution, then she would vote for those people for president.
00:40:12.000I actually think she's mistaken because I think I actually can I tell you what I actually think that she was trying to say.
00:40:16.000I think she was trying to say there is this constant rumor that circulates about Vivek, that he is, he is a subject of birthright citizenship and I think she just literally didn't know and that's what she was saying.
00:40:31.000And then she followed it up with that saying that, because then she realized that he wasn't.
00:40:37.000But I've seen it all over Twitter where there's like people that say this in the circles that she runs in, which is just like these, like pseudo two mega Anti-Trump circles, saying that he is, he was disqualified because of that, and I think that that's literally what she was meaning.
00:40:55.000I'm just saying I think that she was just so misinformed and so stupid that she had to follow up with something even stupider with what with her statement.
00:41:12.000It will possibly make you have a stroke in anger, but if you survive, you will understand what they are doing to this country.
00:41:20.000Uh, but a thing she really emphasizes is like that, you know the nation of immigrants thing is a post hoc invention, that's relatively recent, that for most of America's history it's.
00:41:32.000You know, British Isles Germans, settlers and descendants Dutch.
00:41:35.000Yeah, you know it's, and it's from a pretty narrow part of the country and you can make the argument that that is where a lot of our special political culture comes from, like the English legal tradition, the sort of, if you want to call it, like Protestant European conception of rights and government and blah.
00:41:54.000And I think at the least what is defensible is saying that before anyone is elevated to the presidency, we should have strong reason to believe that they have bought into and understand that legacy.
00:42:07.000Now are we picking people right now who do that?
00:42:10.000I saw a good tweet the other day that one of the best, the best displays of multiculturalism is that Antonin Scalia, who by heritage would be like a peasant in Sicily, can instead be on the Supreme Court and write about the great Anglo-saxon legal tradition and how great it is and how important it is.
00:42:27.000And that would be a triumph if we have Vivek doing that, if Vivek is going on and saying like the British legal system is the greatest thing ever and as an American I am a proud inheritor of the Magna Carta and culture supported Mitt Romney, who's not a wasp.
00:43:29.000Does she think she meant it as she said it that like we shouldn't support Indians for office?
00:43:34.000No, I think she was, I think she was being purposely, you know, bellicose to make a point and she knew it would go viral.
00:43:41.000And this is something that she's done, you know, over throughout her entire career to make points by say something that's that's very belligerent, but also that cuts across to a deeper meaning.
00:43:50.000And what she's, I think the core of her argument, if you listen to the rest of what she's talking about, in and really, which is the core of Adios America, which she, of course, refers to in the podcast as well, is that if you change the demographics of America by letting in people from all different parts of the world,
00:44:10.000which is, you know, what we were talking about in the last segment, that don't have the same traditions, that don't have the same belief in the Bill of Rights, particularly the First Amendment and the Second Amendment, from countries that have just no experience with them or no understanding of them, that eventually you will get a body politic that does not actually support those things anymore.
00:44:30.000And that is more than anything else, more than anything else, more than like communism and Gramsci and all of these things on campus that is driving the changes that we see right now is because we're bringing in so many people that have no direct tie to our traditions and have no background whatsoever from our tradition.
00:44:52.000So I don't think it was necessarily a thing where she was saying like, oh, I don't support you because of your race.
00:44:57.000I think it was more of a broader point that she's been making for a decade now.
00:45:01.000But when does what bothered me about what Anne said, okay, fine, is like, has Vivek not demonstrated that he believes what we believe?
00:45:09.000I mean, does she not, does she think he's being immigration?
00:47:18.000Why am I the only person who can actually offer legal argument for why we should be able to end birthright citizenship without a constitutional amendment?
00:48:03.000I stepped down from my seat, a CEO of a company, multi-billion dollar company that I founded, led a CEO, built it from scratch, wasn't born into money, and had a choice to do what every other biotech CEO was doing in the wake of George Floyd, chose not to do it, did not issue a statement in favor of BLM, because saving this country involves some measure of sacrifice.
00:48:21.000So, Jack, what's your thought on that?
00:48:27.000This is something that we've all faced at one point or another, you know, in America, right?
00:48:32.000So we've talked about that stuff on this program, on our separate programs, birthright citizenship, as well as illegals getting citizenship, various things that we've gone even further than that at times, tripping citizenship.
00:48:45.000And the issue is not whether or not we have the courage to say those things.
00:48:50.000The issue is the fact that because of the color of our skin, which happens to be white or classified as white, that we don't get the same kind of pushback, or excuse me, we get pushback that a guy like Vivek or a guy like, you know, any, you know, what do you want to call it?
00:49:08.000Any non-white conservative would not receive because we all get called racist for saying those things, whereas they don't get the same kind of pushback because they don't have white skin.
00:49:21.000And that's what Crowder is explaining right there, that this is a basic form of the anti-white regime that we have in this country that will always push back and will always go straight to that if you are white and espouse any of those any of those statements.
00:49:36.000Yeah, so I just want to make sure I understand.
00:49:38.000Let's pretend that Ann wasn't saying this just for clicks and she said it as bluntly that I won't vote for an Indian, right?
00:50:12.000I do think what she's partly getting at that maybe she's misassigning it to him being Indian as opposed to something else.
00:50:19.000But there is a strong sense that Vivek is, he is a strong upstart.
00:50:24.000So he doesn't have a super political background.
00:50:28.000And in the last four or five years, he writes a few books criticizing like wokeness in business, runs for president when he's 36, 37, is pretty recently taking all of his views.
00:50:40.000I remember he hadn't really decided an immigration view even like a year ago.
00:50:45.000So he's saying really based stuff now, but it's like it's so quick that you could easily just say he essentially has, you know, consultants go, tell me what the most based thing to tell Republicans is right now to appeal to them.
00:50:59.000Like there's a sense that could he be, is he saying stuff we agree with?
00:51:07.000But could he be like, you know, manipulating us as his path to like slingshot his way into a cabinet seat, into the vice presidency, into the White House?
00:51:16.000Well, I think the criticism of the, again, I don't want to, I will truck it up to Ann's very impressive career on the topic saying something either to get clicks or that she doesn't actually necessarily mean.
00:51:26.000Because I bet I could drill Ann down on this, where it's like, okay, if Vivek did everything he said he was going to do and he was running up against like Bernie Sanders, who's WASPI, or he's Jewish, but I mean, like, let's just pick a WASP left-winger, okay?
00:51:41.000Was okay, who would you vote for, Ann Coulter?
00:51:45.000Like, waspy socialist, you know, open borders or Vivek.
00:51:49.000So I just, I, I don't, I don't like that.
00:51:51.000And on a funny level, it's kind of like modern American politics, when you think about it, a huge portion of the conservative Republican electorate is like non-WASP people who have assimilated to old WASP values, while the WASPs themselves have become these sort of secularized, you know, modernist liberals who have abandoned all of that.
00:52:13.000So when you think of who founded the Republican Party, when the Republican Party was created, it was the most WASP thing to ever exist, pure Yankee-dom.
00:52:21.000All of these Episcopalians and Methodists in northern states.
00:52:25.000And the descendants of those people are overwhelmingly pretty liberal.
00:52:28.000And then the people who love the old Republican platform from 1860, 1880 are, you know, the children of Irish immigrants, Italian immigrants, German immigrants, these days, like Mexican immigrants.
00:52:43.000Like you're getting sort of this latter-day adoption of the old Yankee values.
00:52:48.000And that's probably the best display of American multi-speaking.
00:52:50.000So let me just say the other question of this: did Vivek push back enough?
00:52:54.000I actually would, that's my, I would say, if I, if somebody would have told me, I can't vote for you, Charlie, because you're a white person, I would explode on them.
00:53:02.000What if they said that to you and you were in India?
00:53:05.000If I was in India, like if you'd immigrated, it depends on what the Indian value system is.
00:54:51.000Like your point is exactly right, Charlie.
00:54:53.000It's like, why would you take a open borders, you know, Coke product, like Blake was saying, like super lib waspy guy over a Vivek who's heading towards the right direction.
00:55:53.000If I'm interested in what that person has to say, I'm not going to push back because then you're going to get more information out of them.
00:55:59.000Then you're going to be able to actually have a more free-flowing conversation, an open conversation.
00:56:04.000But the minute you start pushing back, the minute you start attacking someone, that's when your physical and mental defenses start raising up.
00:56:09.000You, you know, you crush your arms, you lean back more, your body language completely changes, your micro expressions change.
00:56:14.000So you're going to have a completely different situation.
00:56:17.000So I think it's a, I think it's a false argument when people say, oh, you didn't push back enough.
00:56:21.000And it's something that I just don't, yeah, I don't really, I don't really hold against interviewers and I don't think I ever will.
00:56:27.000Do you think he should have pushed back more?
00:56:37.000I'm never going to like say someone was really awful because they didn't get really mad because it's good to have mastery over your emotions.
00:56:47.000It might be a little too slick where he's just like saying like, ah, you know, Anne says her thing, but we were just saying, don't, I guess, don't flip out about things that are allegedly racist.
00:56:56.000And maybe we should include explicitly saying, I will not let you do things because of your race.
00:57:02.000Yeah, I just, I mean, I don't, I think it's just, it's on, it's needlessly like shallow where it's like, okay, and would you rather have like a left-wing waspy president or someone like Vivek who's a Hindu who might do like really based things?
00:58:10.000Like David French is like a Christian, right?
00:58:12.000Or I mean, the guy that wrote this like ridiculous book, David French.
00:58:15.000Well, how about Joe Scarborough, who pretends, he pretends he's a Christian every morning on morning.
00:58:20.000I feel like David, the thing is, is that Vivek would be able to read the Bible and he'd be able to find like a good number of books in it that he agrees with, whereas David French kind of like condensed the Bible down to that turn the other cheek verse and then he like cut out all the other.
00:58:32.000It's like the Jefferson Bible, except you cut out everything but one verse.
00:58:35.000Yeah, you cut out the sword and you cause, like all the like, the most wimpy like interpretations.
00:59:14.000So absolute earthquake in the media landscape.
00:59:18.000The Onion, a publication you last read 15 years ago when it was funny, has new management and it's actually the funniest thing the Onion has done in at least 10 years, I would say.
00:59:30.000The Onion got bought by some Silicon Valley Gigalib and he decided to let Ben Collins be in charge of it.
00:59:37.000Now, Ben Collins for those of you who don't know, he's the like lame half of the reporting duo with Brandy Zadrozny and Ben Collins.
00:59:48.000He's made something like 80 000 tweets by now, I bet, and all Ben Collins does is sit on twitter or until he left I think he left because, like twitter was too offensive and moan and be like there's so much hate on this website, there's so much hate they're threatening people's nose.
01:00:05.000Charlie Cook is a Nazi and he's just like freaks out like this, and so they made him the editor in chief of.
01:00:55.000Yeah, like Florida's near total abortion ban by the numbers, and i'm sure there's allegedly a joke in that, but it's really just like Florida they're.
01:01:02.000They're taking away a woman's right to cheese.
01:01:36.000Their new Woke Jesus video is hilarious.
01:01:38.000Yeah, and the big picture is, I think a lot of us did read the Onion 20 years ago and we weren't liberal and it didn't always hit, but There used to be a world where people on the left were often funny, and now they're just not.
01:01:54.000And I guess it's an interesting evolution.
01:01:56.000And is it that too many things became sacred?
01:01:59.000And the nature of comedy is being able to poke fun at things.
01:02:03.000Well, that's a good topic, which is, and I think you were in the car when we were talking about this.
01:02:07.000You said the Tom Brady roast was like one of the few re-emergences of old comedy.
01:02:19.000And so, but it was, I guess you would say is it felt almost like, I don't want to say right-wing comedy because that's going too far, but it was a lot of jokes that certainly like smug left-wingers would say, like, that's not okay.
01:02:34.000Like, they made jokes about Aaron Hernandez hanging himself in his prison cell, which is definitely pretty dark.
01:02:42.000That would be like triggering to a million people.
01:02:43.000There were no trigger warnings for a bunch of this.
01:02:49.000It's like, I guess good comedy requires the ability to take a risk.
01:02:53.000And if the risk doesn't work out, it won't be the end of your life.
01:02:57.000And I think that might be the big flaw of left-wing comedy: you cannot take a risk on the left because if your joke falls flat, it's not just an unfunny joke.
01:05:49.000Is that not trans and not feeling differently?
01:05:55.000I think at another point, someone said they were like, Tom Brady, like, you only brought like one black wide receiver here or something, real woke of you.
01:06:35.000There's this theory that kind of running around the, you know, like right-wing frog Twitter right now.
01:06:41.000And the idea is, have we reached peak woke?
01:06:45.000And a lot of people, so this, the theory has been posited.
01:06:49.000And even like the New York Times has written about this, Financial Times, a bunch of people saying it.
01:06:53.000But the real question is, have we at this point, and is the roast of Tom Brady, you know, have we reached Peak Woke?
01:07:02.000I would also, I would also say that Peak Woke is also exemplified by the fact that you notice that like Hollywood is starting to actually cast like really attractive women again in movies and SNL has, you know, a lot of these different, a lot of the actresses are like not what's the word to say.
01:07:29.000The traditional standard of beauty has now returned.
01:07:38.000I mean, I just, I think that at some point, the lords of easy money, you can't sustain a business enterprise just by putting forward a revolution.
01:07:47.000I mean, I think it's going to matter a lot that, for example, if The Onion is not funny and The Babylon Bee is, young people do like what is funny.
01:07:55.000And that's a cultural power we, you know, we haven't had for a long time.
01:08:00.000I'd say going back maybe at least like 70 years, the funniest comedians by consensus are usually left-leaning as a whole.
01:08:10.000Not 100% of the time, but most of the, you know, they would be left of center culturally.
01:08:15.000And now we're actually at the point where I feel if you ask people, like, who do you consider like the, what's the funniest website you know, or who are the funniest people you know?
01:08:24.000They're just not, they're definitely not going to be normy libs.
01:08:28.000At most, they would be some sort of libertarian leaning person or maybe some like actual total like weird commie Marxist whack job.
01:08:36.000Well, because comedy is supposed to go up against the norm and the culture.
01:08:39.000It subverts your expectations, as they would say.
01:08:42.000At the very least, up against the dominant.
01:08:43.000Yeah, even if they say like, oh, good comedy punches down, which I don't, or punches, it's punches up, punches up, which I don't actually fully agree with.
01:08:51.000You can totally punch down and it's hilarious.
01:08:53.000But if you believe in that, well, punching up is always going to be targeting left-wing things.
01:08:57.000There is no conservative establishment anymore.
01:09:00.000And no matter how hard they try to pretend that this is the case.
01:09:03.000Like if you're, if you are protesting at Columbia, you are protesting against a bunch of liberals.
01:10:59.000I think you and I can probably recall there have been attempts at conservative comedy like in the Bush years, in the Obama years, and they didn't stick.
01:11:08.000They would be kind of cringe, kind of lame.
01:11:11.000They just didn't quite get what made things funny.
01:11:15.000And especially since Trump, it's just been different.
01:11:18.000The people who are the funniest Twitter accounts you can follow, they like code.
01:11:22.000I'm not saying they're explicitly right-wing in the sense that they're saying, go vote Republican, but they code as right-wing.
01:11:28.000They are much more offensive to liberals than to conservatives.
01:11:34.000And I don't think Ben Collins is going to change it.
01:11:37.000Even though, like, someone coming up and telling me Ben Collins was just named the head of The Onion is one of the funniest things that I have heard in my entire life.
01:11:51.000Dude, have you heard Jerry Seinfeld just like over and over and over going off about this stuff?
01:11:57.000I just dropped the link that we posted.
01:12:36.000If you do follow Ben Collins' Twitter, one of the secrets you discover is Ben Collins is like never not posting on the internet, never offline, never not coming up with reasons to call people racist Nazis.
01:12:50.000He is truly the most humorless person I have ever seen online.
01:12:55.000And that's saying something because there's a lot of very pouty liberals on the internet.
01:13:00.000Well, I wanted to say this one thing about the comics.
01:13:03.000It's just so many of them they've attempted to cancel, including what's his face that we just dropped in the chat.
01:13:31.000The night the United States killed the leader of ISIS.
01:13:33.000Trump comes out of the situation room at like midnight, walks up in front of the entire world at midnight and just goes, Abu, Bagar, Al Baghdadi, is dead.
01:14:07.000Yeah, a real part of this is Donald Trump himself is he's not a comedian, but he actually kind of is, as a cultural presence, like the funniest person in the world.
01:14:17.000Like the amount of comedy that has been earnestly generated by Trump supporters who love Trump is higher than the comedy we get from anything else.
01:14:26.000And that is a huge cultural importance.
01:14:33.000He once went on an interview and was saying that he actually went to a Trump rally once and was talking about Trump's public speaking skills.
01:14:42.000And he was like, oh, this is, he's like, look, I've been doing stand-up my entire life.