The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 44 — Mud-Faced Millionaires? Trump Jail = Good? The Unfunny Left?

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00:03:02.000 Okay, everybody, happy Thought Crime Thursday.

00:03:05.000 For those of you that would know, one day we'll tell the story of what really happened today on campus.

00:03:09.000 Quite a day, right, Tyler?

00:03:10.000 It was a great day.

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00:03:13.000 Blake is here.

00:03:14.000 Howdy.

00:03:15.000 How was your day, Blake?

00:03:16.000 Mine was pretty good.

00:03:16.000 I don't even know what happened actually.

00:03:18.000 I just am confused.

00:03:19.000 It's good stuff.

00:03:20.000 We just had a lot of good things happening.

00:03:21.000 Oh, you didn't know?

00:03:23.000 I don't know anything.

00:03:24.000 No one tells me things.

00:03:25.000 It was just a great day.

00:03:26.000 Jack, Jack is here.

00:03:28.000 Jack, welcome.

00:03:30.000 How are we doing?

00:03:32.000 Doing well.

00:03:33.000 Of course, I'm sorry, Blake.

00:03:34.000 I am sworn to secrecy, so I am not able to divulge the contents of what happened today until the opportune time.

00:03:42.000 A real gentleman doesn't kiss and tell.

00:03:44.000 That's right.

00:03:44.000 Blake, what's our first topic?

00:03:45.000 Our first topic today, Charlie.

00:03:47.000 Donald Trump.

00:03:48.000 He's on trial in New York.

00:03:50.000 He's being threatened with jail for contempt because he just keeps truthing up a storm.

00:03:55.000 And a lot of fans say, they've been saying this for a few weeks at this point, that Donald Trump should call the judges bluff and intentionally try to go to jail for contempt.

00:04:06.000 A lot of people are saying, or they were saying he should go to Barron's graduation and make them throw him in jail for that.

00:04:12.000 That's now happened.

00:04:12.000 But some people are saying he should just say whatever he wants.

00:04:16.000 And if they send him to jail, that's a good thing.

00:04:18.000 Is it actually a good thing?

00:04:20.000 I am of the, I'm of the increasing opinion of the Nelson Mandela effect.

00:04:26.000 I really do.

00:04:27.000 And Tyler, I want you to take this.

00:04:28.000 Do you see that in the ground in the grassroots?

00:04:31.000 I think it makes him more sympathetic.

00:04:33.000 Let me tell you why.

00:04:34.000 Because if you want to think if the country was not completely flung apart economically, but the stuff that, excuse my language, piss people off the most, like high rent, high gas, high credit card is not going away.

00:04:45.000 And I think people, they get crushed with their bills every night.

00:04:49.000 And then they see Trump going to jail.

00:04:51.000 It's kind of like a super insult to them.

00:04:53.000 Like for someone who's not as politically sophisticated, it feels and sounds like I can't pay my rent and you guys are wasting your time with this.

00:05:01.000 It seems as if that's the way that a lot of Americans are processing it.

00:05:04.000 Tyler, what do you think?

00:05:05.000 Yeah, I mean, we've seen it.

00:05:06.000 I mean, so far this election cycle, I mean, the story of 2024, when I think in the history books, is going to be every time they came at Donald Trump, he got more popular with the base, with conservative movement, with independents.

00:05:19.000 And so I think that the Democrats are really looking at this and they're not unified on the decision to jail Trump.

00:05:29.000 It's the ultra, ultra radical part of the party.

00:05:32.000 And so just like our, you know, our lock corrupt chance, right?

00:05:36.000 That probably would have actually made Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:05:38.000 But here's the provocative question.

00:05:40.000 If he gets acquitted or a hung jury, does that help him as much as a conviction?

00:05:45.000 Totally.

00:05:46.000 The question is, which one actually, or is it both the same?

00:05:48.000 My personal opinion is I understand why the base thinks it would be awesome for like Trump, the ultimate rebel, to go to jail.

00:05:58.000 I would say right now, I lean towards it being a bad idea for a few reasons.

00:06:03.000 First of all, Trump, I think, is kind of ahead right now.

00:06:07.000 Like he's up.

00:06:08.000 Biden seems to be imploding.

00:06:09.000 Most of the polling is good.

00:06:11.000 We're kind of fluctuating around a good point here.

00:06:14.000 And Trump going to jail above everything else, it is unpredictable.

00:06:21.000 We just can't really know what would happen.

00:06:23.000 It's sort of like an event horizon.

00:06:24.000 You just don't know what is beyond that.

00:06:27.000 And so it could be good, but it could also be really bad.

00:06:30.000 It could be that a lot of normal people who are following this lightly would just see this and be like, whoa, Trump's in jail.

00:06:36.000 He must have done a thing really bad that the judge did that.

00:06:39.000 And they won't necessarily follow the whole like, oh, yeah, the gag order he's on was like BS and they did all this stuff to like throw him in.

00:06:47.000 They would just think, oh, he did a clownish thing and now he's in jail.

00:06:50.000 And then they're going to convict him.

00:06:52.000 And that might be the only way he goes to jail because even if they convict him, they have to do sentencing.

00:06:57.000 He can appeal.

00:06:58.000 Like he almost certainly will not be in a cell before election day unless he intends to.

00:07:02.000 Do you think that the coverage of this doesn't seem to be penetrating polling or mainstream opinion?

00:07:08.000 Maybe I live in a bubble.

00:07:09.000 It's really boring, I think.

00:07:11.000 That's a big part.

00:07:12.000 Do you think if there was video, it would hurt him?

00:07:15.000 It's not on TV.

00:07:16.000 Maybe.

00:07:16.000 Yeah, so Jack.

00:07:16.000 So Jack, if it was on video, this would have been one of the most watched things ever to see like Trump in trial, Stormy Daniels.

00:07:24.000 Do you think the fact that we're just getting sketches and firsthand reports from journalists, what do you think?

00:07:30.000 Well, so there's two parts of it, right?

00:07:32.000 Obviously, number one, look, why was the Johnny Depp trial so big?

00:07:36.000 Why was the OJ trial so big?

00:07:38.000 Why were all of these, again, state-level trials, Kyle Rittenhouse, another state-level trial?

00:07:43.000 They were all televised.

00:07:45.000 Then, with the power of social media, which obviously didn't exist during OJ's time, but with the power of social media and all those other cases, the clips go viral when you see these high-profile cases at the state level put on television and then we get the video out.

00:07:59.000 Now, under New York, for whatever reason, this is a state-level case, and yet it's not televised.

00:08:05.000 And that's the first reason that this is just getting no traction whatsoever with the media, because otherwise you'd be getting these clips of Stormy Daniels, and the left would be pushing that, but then Trump's defense team would be cross-examining her, and she'd be tripped up.

00:08:20.000 And then, you know, that side would be pushing that, or Trump would make some kind of face and be us, you know, kind of comment.

00:08:28.000 And then we'd all be, you know, talking about it right now on thought crime.

00:08:30.000 But of course, not because we're not getting clips.

00:08:32.000 So that's how the world works right now: everybody gets their clips out.

00:08:35.000 It's like congressional hearings.

00:08:36.000 However, there's the second part of it too, is that no one can actually explain what the crime is.

00:08:42.000 And when I say no one, I don't mean the people here who like we're like political wonks for a living and you know we're all involved in the process in one way or another.

00:08:51.000 It's because the average person who's watching this, I think they're understanding that.

00:08:57.000 And I've talked to people about this who are kind of like outside of the, what you were just saying, like outside of the bubble.

00:09:02.000 And they're like, so he went to jail for having, or they want to put him in jail for having an affair with a stripper or something.

00:09:10.000 Like, why is that a crime?

00:09:13.000 It's, you know, did he pay her?

00:09:14.000 Like, well, no, but he paid her not to talk about it.

00:09:16.000 So, okay, but also, why is that a crime?

00:09:19.000 Did he try to cover it up?

00:09:20.000 Well, no, not really.

00:09:21.000 And so it's so confusing to the average person what exactly the crime is that it just kind of plays out like a Stormy Daniels thing from, and again, she's been around for like eight years.

00:09:34.000 This is not a new story.

00:09:35.000 There's nothing new that's being revealed here.

00:09:37.000 There's no new cast of characters.

00:09:39.000 In fact, the interesting characters, Michael Avenatti, are in jail and can't even be a part of this.

00:09:45.000 And so it's totally not rating.

00:09:47.000 And if anything, it's just backfiring because of everything Blake just said.

00:09:50.000 Like you'd have thought.

00:09:51.000 So I think Jack's correct.

00:09:53.000 It is a case no one who's not paying a ton of attention can really understand.

00:09:58.000 What I'm not sure of is whether that is overall good or bad, because if it's something no one can understand, that means they also can't quite understand that it's a total joke.

00:10:10.000 I've often said to you, of the four criminal cases against Trump, this is, in my opinion, by far the most legally BS one.

00:10:18.000 That Mar-a-Lago, like, it's ticky tack, but it sort of like is a crime if he did it. 0.96

00:10:25.000 Georgia is bullcrap, but it's like, it's more marginal bullcrap. 0.96

00:10:30.000 This one is just a true like Soviet style. 0.95

00:10:32.000 We have invented a crime that has no one has ever been charged with before, and no one ever else will ever be charged with this again, just invented to take out one guy.

00:10:41.000 It is an appalling case.

00:10:43.000 And as Jack says, the details of it are so confusing.

00:10:47.000 I don't think that will get through.

00:10:49.000 So if he does get convicted, it won't be super bad.

00:10:52.000 People won't think, oh, he's guilty of murder or, you know, like massive corruption.

00:10:58.000 But they will think, oh, yeah, he committed a crime.

00:11:02.000 I don't, I don't like, we shouldn't elect a criminal president.

00:11:05.000 I just think there's going to be this 10 to 15% normie blob of the public that is just in an old-fashioned way going to be pretty offended by the idea of a criminal being the president.

00:11:16.000 And we have to worry about that.

00:11:18.000 And that's why I don't think Trump should, you know, lean into getting thrown in jail because I don't think he's quite that level of folk hero with a majority of the population, definitely with his supporters, but they support him anyway.

00:11:32.000 So I don't think you should race into that.

00:11:34.000 And one thing about it is, I think if he goes to jail for contempt, he increases the odds that he gets convicted.

00:11:40.000 Like, I think that will make the jury turn more against him.

00:11:43.000 And so you shouldn't embrace that.

00:11:44.000 That.

00:11:45.000 I think we should have the goal of don't get convicted here.

00:11:48.000 So I have a question though, just real quick.

00:11:51.000 The normie left, though, does the normie left abandon voting and Biden because of a conviction.

00:12:02.000 You see what I'm saying?

00:12:03.000 So the normie right, okay, says, I don't know.

00:12:07.000 There's a more middle-of-the-road left element here that sees the radicalness of like I would say it's more of like the they go RFK.

00:12:19.000 Can I, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

00:12:20.000 But like more of the same thing, civil rights Democrats, civil rights Democrats.

00:12:26.000 That are like pro-abortion, pro-constitution. 0.89

00:12:26.000 Yes. 0.89

00:12:29.000 100%.

00:12:30.000 But might be like sympathetic with some Republican like tax stuff.

00:12:35.000 Let me just give you, let me tell you, I was on the plane last night and I'm watching a person who is wearing a mask scroll through CNN.

00:12:43.000 Okay.

00:12:44.000 And I'm watching this and I'm watching a scroll and it was just really interesting watching them what they stopped on.

00:12:50.000 Right.

00:12:50.000 And obviously like half the stories are right about Trump.

00:12:53.000 Every story about Trump is like fast scroll through.

00:12:56.000 Fast scroll through. 1.00

00:12:58.000 Stopped on something stupid. 1.00

00:13:00.000 Fast scroll through Trump. 1.00

00:13:02.000 Something stupid. 1.00

00:13:03.000 This person had a mask on on a plane. 1.00

00:13:05.000 Right.

00:13:05.000 And so I just don't.

00:13:07.000 You spent the entire flight watching.

00:13:09.000 That's what I do.

00:13:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:13:10.000 I sit behind people on a plane.

00:13:12.000 You can learn a lot.

00:13:13.000 I sit behind people on a plane.

00:13:15.000 I'll admit it.

00:13:16.000 I've done it a million times.

00:13:18.000 So, but like, I'm watching this person.

00:13:20.000 And this is clearly a leftist because they're wearing a mask.

00:13:23.000 The only people that wear masks on planes right now are self-avowed leftists.

00:13:27.000 But they're not reading and like guzzling the information on Trump's stuff.

00:13:32.000 Right.

00:13:33.000 So that tells me is like the normie left is like really going to get really worn out about this for the next six months.

00:13:40.000 I don't know.

00:13:40.000 Anyway, so I didn't want to go ahead.

00:13:42.000 It was just really interesting that I witnessed that.

00:13:44.000 I have a question for Blake, actually, because I get the sense you've been following the trial.

00:13:50.000 I've been following the trial as well.

00:13:51.000 And you mentioned something a couple of times that I hadn't even really considered.

00:13:56.000 I got a phone call from someone today who is like not a regular Trump supporter, but someone I'm friends with and from the DC area and was like, there's a real chance that Trump actually gets acquitted or there is a hung jury here because the case is just so incredibly bad.

00:14:17.000 And I wanted to ask, have you been following it?

00:14:19.000 And were you coming to that conclusion as well based on how bad the case is?

00:14:23.000 The New York case is weird because what's so bad about it is kind of at a higher level where I don't know the whole process for appeals, but it's something that should just not be on trial.

00:14:34.000 It is the sort of thing that there should be a federal judge or some level of judge who comes in and says, this is an obvious miscarriage of justice and we are not allowing this travesty to happen where you are.

00:14:47.000 Again, for anyone who hasn't followed this in New York, what they are doing is they are saying that Donald Trump made hush money payments to someone and he falsified business records to do this.

00:14:58.000 That is a crime, a felony, because he's doing it to cover up another crime.

00:15:02.000 It's only a felony if they're not going to be able to do it.

00:15:03.000 They can't tell you what that other crime is.

00:15:05.000 Well, so it's only a felony if you're covering up another felony.

00:15:09.000 So the felony they're alleging is that he broke federal election law, which means one, New York is prosecuting him for supposedly breaking laws in a totally separate jurisdiction.

00:15:19.000 That's not New York State.

00:15:20.000 Two, that is a crime he's never been prosecuted for.

00:15:23.000 He's never been charged with it.

00:15:25.000 He's certainly never been convicted of it.

00:15:27.000 And not only that, it's even worse than just they haven't done it.

00:15:30.000 They investigated this.

00:15:32.000 They considered it and they declined to press charges.

00:15:36.000 So this is an offense he has explicitly been cleared of.

00:15:40.000 And then New York is just saying, actually, we think you did it.

00:15:43.000 And so we're going to prosecute you for this.

00:15:46.000 And even then, it would be a bullcrap case because it would be saying any money you spend that can help your reputation is actually a campaign expenditure, which would be a massive expansion of what we count as a campaign expenditure.

00:15:59.000 Every level of this is completely insane.

00:16:03.000 Whether the jury recognizes that, I don't think we're going to get an acquittal.

00:16:07.000 This is a New York jury.

00:16:09.000 It's going to have some like rap.

00:16:10.000 You have to have a hung jury.

00:16:11.000 You can get one person.

00:16:12.000 One person could be a hung jury.

00:16:13.000 What I wonder is, would that be enough to make the left decide we need to get rid of unanimous juries?

00:16:18.000 We need 10-2, something like that, which they have until now really hated.

00:16:23.000 They've always hated it because it makes it more likely that people will go to jail, basically.

00:16:30.000 And of course, the left loves having criminals be out of jail as long as they just murder people or rob people and aren't just politicians they dislike. 0.99

00:16:38.000 The left is evil, man. 1.00

00:16:40.000 They're really bad. 0.94

00:16:41.000 Jonathan.

00:16:43.000 Well, I was going to say, Jonathan Turley, you know, all credit because he's termed this the Rube Goldberg machine of indictments.

00:16:50.000 And that's really what it is.

00:16:51.000 So if people don't know what the Rube Goldberg is, I know.

00:16:54.000 I've met her before, actually.

00:16:54.000 She wasn't that terrible.

00:16:56.000 But yeah, I mean, there's not that, not that.

00:16:59.000 No, Rube Goldberg.

00:17:00.000 It's one of those really different things.

00:17:02.000 I'm sorry.

00:17:02.000 I thought you meant the reporter for the Washington Post.

00:17:04.000 No, it's where you have like the 10 different things.

00:17:06.000 Just like pour a glass in the middle.

00:17:07.000 Isn't there a Ruth that writes for the Washington Post? 1.00

00:17:09.000 Ruth Marcus.

00:17:10.000 Ruth Marcus.

00:17:11.000 I'm sorry.

00:17:11.000 That's exactly like Rube Goldberg.

00:17:14.000 I'm sorry.

00:17:14.000 That's exactly the same, Charlie.

00:17:17.000 No, that's like, that's like, you ever watch those movies and it's like the inventor and he's like, he's got this or like, how do you shrink the kids is like this with Rick Moranis in the beginning.

00:17:28.000 And it's, you know, he's like, you know, it's a machine that like brushes your teeth when you wake up and it makes the toast and cracks the eggs and it's just all these crazy little devices for, you know, producing these mundane tasks.

00:17:40.000 And it's basically this contraption that's completely put together by like duct tape and spit and bubblegum and doesn't seem like it should be serious or ever taken seriously by any actual person.

00:17:53.000 And yet that's the kind of indictment that Alvin Bragg has brought.

00:17:57.000 The Rube book gold machine of indictments.

00:18:00.000 So my thought is we should not lean into enabling this machine by saying like, oh, we're going to intentionally go to jail.

00:18:07.000 I understand where it comes from, but I think it would be a mistake.

00:18:13.000 All right.

00:18:14.000 Next topic.

00:18:14.000 What do we got?

00:18:15.000 Our next topic.

00:18:16.000 This is an interesting one.

00:18:17.000 We talked about the other day, like, is there a vibe shift hitting America?

00:18:22.000 And a mark of this, the specific story we're talking about is there's this story out of California.

00:18:30.000 And so in 2020, actually, the full story here is pretty great.

00:18:35.000 In 2017, these three boys had like a sleepover.

00:18:38.000 And I guess they're Zoomers. 0.99

00:18:40.000 So what do you do if you're a Zoomer having a sleepover? 0.82

00:18:42.000 You like get a mud facial mask to like beat acne, you know, like a woman or something. 1.00

00:18:49.000 Anyway, they did this and they took a photo of it.

00:18:51.000 And then three years later, a habitual criminal drug addict expired beneath the knee of a Minneapolis police officer.

00:18:59.000 So naturally, that meant that they needed to go and dig up this photo that these boys took three years before.

00:19:06.000 And then they expelled them from their Catholic school from a Catholic high school.

00:19:12.000 They got expelled for this.

00:19:13.000 But weren't they getting facial treatments?

00:19:14.000 Yeah, so facial treatment for acne.

00:19:16.000 But that's blackface now? 0.97

00:19:18.000 They said it was blackface.

00:19:19.000 And so they're retreating from this, aren't they?

00:19:21.000 The school is under human beings. 0.62

00:19:23.000 So what the news story now is they sued and they just managed to win a $1 million award.

00:19:30.000 They actually won the case, not even a settlement.

00:19:32.000 So they got $500,000 in damages for two of the boys and then $70,000 worth of tuition returned as well.

00:19:40.000 And obviously, that's great.

00:19:42.000 But the question is, does it represent more than a one-off?

00:19:45.000 Does it represent a vibe shift for America?

00:19:48.000 Well, I will say this.

00:19:49.000 I mean, I think there's an over-prosecution of quote-unquote, like, racist cultural crimes.

00:19:54.000 And I think that there is a vibe shift.

00:19:56.000 I also think that when you flood the zone calling everything racist, nothing becomes racist, obviously.

00:20:02.000 And I would, yeah, I just, I think that if you tell this story to a normal person, they get outraged about it.

00:20:08.000 And they get outraged that these kids got kicked out of school.

00:20:10.000 And I think that the same sort of thing, I mean, for example, this kid at Ole Miss, he got kicked out of his fraternity.

00:20:15.000 He hasn't been kicked out of school yet.

00:20:17.000 But I got so many emails from Ole Miss alumni insanely mad that this is even an issue.

00:20:23.000 That's a big deal.

00:20:24.000 But in 2020, that's not how people reacted.

00:20:27.000 People lost their minds in 2020.

00:20:30.000 Meaning in 2020, alumni would have been like, oh, well, you know, if you're racist, you have to play a, you know, you have to pay a price for it.

00:20:36.000 Here's, here's the thought-provoking question.

00:20:39.000 What if it had been blackface? 0.91

00:20:41.000 Again, I'm not a big believer in destroying people's lives over blackface, even if it is legit blackface. 1.00

00:20:46.000 Now, if, again, context matters, but I cannot see a context where other than if you are, especially if you're a kid, but if you're an adult and you're wearing blackface and you're doing it to try to be racist to a black person, that's a separate issue.

00:20:58.000 But I don't, meaning like, and has that ever helped?

00:21:02.000 Yeah.

00:21:02.000 But for example, like plenty of Megan Silver, that Silverman, Sarah Silverman wore blackface and Joy Behar wore blackface and they haven't had their careers canceled.

00:21:13.000 And it's selective Megan Kelly who did get canceled.

00:21:15.000 Yeah, but it's selective cultural enforcement.

00:21:18.000 And I don't think there should be a kid.

00:21:20.000 Let's say those kids were wearing blackface. 0.97

00:21:22.000 I don't think those kids should have been canceled.

00:21:25.000 I don't.

00:21:25.000 You should maybe get like a speech about why that's a bad idea.

00:21:30.000 Like, oh, yeah, you should, you know, that might have hurt someone's feelings.

00:21:32.000 Be careful.

00:21:33.000 Or like maybe suspended or whatever it is.

00:21:36.000 But like, I do not understand.

00:21:37.000 It's even there.

00:21:38.000 But it's a death penalty. 0.53

00:21:39.000 It is a generational death penalty. 0.93

00:21:40.000 And I would just go to the point of saying, like, a thing that I don't think people can explain is it's truly like this blackface thing.

00:21:47.000 It's a taboo because rationally think about it.

00:21:50.000 What is the harm from this?

00:21:53.000 Well, the harm of wearing blackface. 0.95

00:21:55.000 Well, I mean, there really is not a victim except being somewhat maybe insensitive.

00:21:55.000 Yeah.

00:22:00.000 And even then, like the insensitivity is so many levels removed.

00:22:03.000 The reason blackface is considered bad is because more than 100 years ago, we had blackface minstrel shows.

00:22:11.000 So I'm not even familiar with that.

00:22:13.000 I know what you mean now.

00:22:14.000 I didn't realize that was the connection. 0.94

00:22:15.000 So yeah, they would do these blackface minstrel shows where you'd have white performers who make fun of black people.

00:22:20.000 So it was a whole genre of comedy. 0.63

00:22:22.000 And that's where you'd get like, you know, that kind of offensive blackface minstrel speak. 0.71

00:22:27.000 You know, they kind of talk about it.

00:22:28.000 I don't, I don't want to imitate it, but like they talk almost like Jar Jar.

00:22:31.000 I don't like to support that, obviously.

00:22:32.000 Obviously.

00:22:33.000 But it's like and then that turned into how they portrayed black people and like advertisements.

00:22:39.000 Yeah.

00:22:40.000 There was like the whole chicken restaurant that had that had that really over-the-top like black dialect. 1.00

00:22:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:22:40.000 It's the same thing. 1.00

00:22:47.000 Like they have a toothpaste.

00:22:50.000 Yeah.

00:22:50.000 Yes.

00:22:51.000 And so that's what the origin of it was.

00:22:51.000 Yeah.

00:22:53.000 It's like that was hurtful.

00:22:54.000 And I agree.

00:22:55.000 It would be hurtful if someone blacked up their face and then went on television and started to do this shtick again.

00:23:03.000 That would be pretty offensive.

00:23:05.000 But it's almost like they've invented this massive taboo just spinning off from that.

00:23:12.000 And I think it's exhaustion with that sort of thing that we're seeing grip more and more of society.

00:23:18.000 Like you'll even see some people will do it to try to do transgressive humor.

00:23:22.000 I think you should have the right to do transgressive humor.

00:23:24.000 It might even fail.

00:23:25.000 So we're talking about kids in school.

00:23:26.000 Yeah.

00:23:27.000 Even more so then.

00:23:28.000 Jack, you have a thought?

00:23:30.000 Well, I was going to say that the thing that it reminds me of is this, similar to, I guess, the situation with the frat boy at, I believe it was Ole Miss and, you know, released.

00:23:43.000 I don't know if he was, or I guess he was a frat boy.

00:23:45.000 He's been kicked out of his frat for, I guess, you know, he was part of a group that was taunting this black pro-Hamas, you know, pro-Hamas person.

00:23:55.000 And the question is, you know, was he really making racial tones?

00:23:59.000 I don't think so.

00:24:00.000 And, you know, or even if it was, you know, the question is, like, are you really going to cancel him over that versus like pulling him off?

00:24:07.000 Like, I think a good way, there's this economist, Brian Kaplan, who's a libertarian, but sometimes when they have a cancel frenzy, he likes to ask, like, okay, rationally speaking, is this worse than a husband cheating on his wife and like leaving her and his kids to be with his mistress?

00:24:24.000 Something that, one, happens all the time.

00:24:27.000 Two, people often remain friends with those who do it.

00:24:30.000 And like, three, we allow public figures to do it and basically suffer no criminal or even not much social sanction for it.

00:24:37.000 And so is anything like this, is doing blackface and having a photo of it appear on Twitter worse than that?

00:24:43.000 Is making like a king kong noise at a protest worse than that? 0.96

00:24:47.000 And I would say in both cases, the answer is no.

00:24:49.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:24:50.000 And at the least, and for that matter, we're more forgiving of people who like commit assault and robbery or who point guns at women's abdomens and then later become career criminals.

00:25:01.000 Like we have some sort of bizarre moral hierarchy problem where something that makes people kind of mildly uncomfortable in their stomach is treated as this grave moral atrocity.

00:25:13.000 And I think it's because the ultimate sin is thou shalt not be racist.

00:25:17.000 And like, I think if we have a collective exhaustion with that, and maybe we see that in the form of this jury ruling, or when you might see it in the sense of even like the roast of Tom Brady, like the roast of Tom Brady had all of these transgressive jokes, and everyone seems to agree that it was amazing and hilarious.

00:25:17.000 Yes.

00:25:35.000 That can be a good sign.

00:25:36.000 And we see more comedians just making extremely anti-woke humor part of their brand.

00:25:42.000 And if this continues, we can win, I think.

00:25:48.000 So I agree.

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00:27:52.000 What do we have next?

00:27:53.000 All right.

00:27:54.000 So the hook story on this was we have this new study out of the UK from the Center for Policy Studies, which sounds like the fakest organization in the world, which they studied immigration into the United Kingdom.

00:28:06.000 And they found, surprise, surprise, that all of the immigration that was going to save their economy and their pension system and everything actually had basically no positive effect on their economic growth, but it was driving up housing costs because London is an incredibly crowded city and they can't build anything because you can't build anything in modern countries anymore.

00:28:24.000 So let me ask you: when I go on campus, they will an activist or a student will commonly say, Well, immigrants are in net benefit to society and they are the refugees, they'll pay into society, they'll pay taxes. 1.00

00:28:38.000 Where do they get that?

00:28:39.000 Is that just a complete fabrication?

00:28:40.000 Is that a lie?

00:28:41.000 Where do they get Charles and David Cook?

00:28:43.000 Okay, so what do you mean?

00:28:47.000 I'm just saying that that's where it came from.

00:28:49.000 So studies funded by our side was the one that like served that up on a silver platter.

00:28:55.000 Like the left literally looked around.

00:28:56.000 They're like, wait, you want to pay for all this?

00:29:00.000 Okay, great.

00:29:01.000 And so we spent 10 years telling everybody that that false notion that which Bernie Sanders said famously once.

00:29:08.000 He said, open borders is a co-policy.

00:29:10.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:29:12.000 So, so, Blake, can you answer that question?

00:29:13.000 Because, I mean, it's, they say it with such authority.

00:29:16.000 And I can do my best in broad generalities, but they say, no, study, show, study, show.

00:29:20.000 And you look it up, there are a amount of quote-unquote studies that allegedly show that immigrants are net benefits.

00:29:26.000 So, first of all, it's always really vague, and they never bother to try to fine-tune it to ensure the maximum quality.

00:29:26.000 Is that true?

00:29:33.000 So, you can say, oh, yeah, you know, X number of top companies were founded by immigrants or the children of immigrants.

00:29:40.000 Often true. 0.81

00:29:41.000 Or, you know, they'll work this amount.

00:29:43.000 And that'll often just account for the fact that they might come here, like they're disproportionately of working age.

00:29:48.000 So they're more likely to work.

00:29:50.000 We don't have as many people come here who are one year old or 75 years old.

00:29:55.000 But when we check the numbers in some countries, especially in Europe, Europe, it's actually like worse than here, where they just love to admit people who are a total drag on their country.

00:30:07.000 Like they'll run the numbers in Germany and Afghan migrants and such, who they let in, you know, a million of them in 2015, a million, half a million, some big number like that.

00:30:16.000 And something like only 62% of them have any form of employment years later.

00:30:22.000 You know, it's almost been a decade now.

00:30:23.000 They're like 10, 15% below overall German adults.

00:30:28.000 And then these adults from Afghanistan, way less likely to work. 1.00

00:30:31.000 And then when they do work, they work for less.

00:30:34.000 And the ones who are not working are more likely to be on XYZ social program.

00:30:38.000 But that's not what this discussion is about, Charlie.

00:30:41.000 We're going to talk about something more important.

00:30:42.000 So this is the UK.

00:30:44.000 The UK is getting absolutely flooded by immigrants from the entire planet. 1.00

00:30:48.000 No one can afford it.

00:30:49.000 Their economy is a total disaster.

00:30:51.000 The Conservative Party's going to get completely wrecked.

00:30:53.000 So the question is, which all the English-speaking countries are clearly in decline, which English-speaking country is in the worst decline?

00:31:02.000 The worst decline.

00:31:03.000 Yes.

00:31:03.000 And I'm going to be, just so people know, I'm going to be putting up a live poll right now that we're going to be conducting.

00:31:10.000 So you mean birth rate decline or no, straight up, like which of these countries from our read, do we just feel is declining the worst?

00:31:17.000 Now, just to quick outline them, Britain, we've got, they're absolutely being flooded by migrants from Africa and India and a million other places.

00:31:26.000 A lot of them don't work.

00:31:27.000 They have like these city councillors who are Muslim and chanting Allah Akbar on the lead city council.

00:31:35.000 Very strong sense of like moral decay.

00:31:37.000 Absolutely no one goes to church there.

00:31:39.000 Many people go to mosque.

00:31:40.000 Canada.

00:31:41.000 Canada, we have mass euthanasia. 0.99

00:31:43.000 They love their suicide death pods. 0.87

00:31:45.000 We have abortion up until birth. 0.99

00:31:48.000 They are now like letting, they basically have open borders in Canada now.

00:31:52.000 So they've let in like a million and a half young men in the past year.

00:31:55.000 So they now have a male-female sex ratio that resembles those Asian countries where they abort all of their girls before birth. 1.00

00:32:03.000 America, we have Joe Biden.

00:32:07.000 Ireland, Ireland is an underrated one.

00:32:10.000 They're a total head case here because they're kind of having this like hick lib post-Catholic weirdo guilt thing where they've decided that being a Christian country all those years was a big mistake and they're acting out in a really wild way now.

00:32:23.000 Like abortion was banned in Ireland a decade ago and now they're basically running around being like, abort everything. 0.77

00:32:29.000 We have to have Mac, like we have to take God out of our constitution.

00:32:33.000 We have to send Satanists to Eurovision. 0.99

00:32:35.000 They're being really loopy.

00:32:37.000 And then Australia is kind of going to be a Chinese colony, but they're probably ahead of the rest of us. 1.00

00:32:42.000 You're asking me which one to pull out.

00:32:43.000 Which one is doing that?

00:32:45.000 Keep interrupting each other.

00:32:46.000 I don't know what you're talking about.

00:32:47.000 What's the steepest decline?

00:32:48.000 Which country is going to be worse?

00:32:49.000 Canada?

00:32:50.000 Ooh. 0.99

00:32:50.000 Canada's the worst. 0.99

00:32:52.000 I mean, of all the ones you just laid out, either Canada or Ireland would be my choice.

00:32:56.000 Okay.

00:32:56.000 How about you, Jack?

00:32:58.000 Well, so here's my question.

00:32:59.000 I can only do four choices for the Twitter poll.

00:33:03.000 So which four should we choose?

00:33:06.000 I would do America, Ireland, Canada, UK.

00:33:09.000 I don't think New Zealand or Australia are really.

00:33:11.000 Oh, you're ranking America first.

00:33:13.000 Take out the Anzac.

00:33:14.000 Well, we're going to let people poll.

00:33:17.000 We are going to conduct this poll right now.

00:33:18.000 It's very official, very serious poll that I'm going to launch right now on Twitter, and then we're going to come back to at the very end of the episode.

00:33:26.000 Okay.

00:33:26.000 All right.

00:33:27.000 UK, U.S., Ireland, Canada.

00:33:29.000 I would lean, man, Canada is really bad.

00:33:34.000 Canada is the one that has their national identity is being more liberal than the U.S.

00:33:40.000 And that's getting really hard because the most liberal parts of the U.S. are really, really liberal.

00:33:45.000 And so I feel like Canada, it's really going off the deep end.

00:33:49.000 On the other hand, it is Canada.

00:33:51.000 They have essentially unlimited natural resources.

00:33:54.000 So they have a way to come back.

00:33:56.000 Whereas Britain, all Britain has ever had is human capital.

00:34:00.000 Otherwise, there's not a lot that's nice about the British Isles.

00:34:03.000 There's no sun.

00:34:04.000 The sun has set on the British Empire.

00:34:05.000 The sun has set on the British Empire.

00:34:07.000 And so you're just going to have these like sad limies hanging around in this once great country. 0.98

00:34:12.000 And Britain's pretty bad.

00:34:14.000 Man, I don't really know what to pick. 0.96

00:34:16.000 But America, America's the source of a lot of this rot. 0.94

00:34:19.000 And so it feels like we're pretty messed up too.

00:34:22.000 But it depends on how you define English speaking.

00:34:24.000 Like most European countries, English speak.

00:34:25.000 Like German is English. 0.75

00:34:26.000 We mean like, you know, the Anglo-Sphere, as we call it.

00:34:29.000 The Anglo-Anglosphere.

00:34:30.000 Did we mention Australia? 0.92

00:34:32.000 I think Canada is the worst. 0.96

00:34:34.000 Canada is a stronger. 0.84

00:34:35.000 Canada just has Australia on the board.

00:34:37.000 Yeah.

00:34:37.000 And they're, yeah.

00:34:39.000 How do you feel about this?

00:34:39.000 Yeah.

00:34:40.000 Is Australia on the board?

00:34:41.000 Well, they're not in the poll.

00:34:42.000 I just, that was my judgment call. 0.78

00:34:44.000 I just feel Australia is not as screwed as the other ones yet, but they might be. 0.93

00:34:48.000 They are kind of a Chinese colony, but so are we in some ways. 0.97

00:34:52.000 No, China's like taking over Australia. 0.87

00:34:55.000 They are.

00:34:56.000 One of the creepiest ones, you hear about this all the time in Australia.

00:34:59.000 So they have all these Chinese university students just like we do.

00:35:03.000 And it's just absolute naked corruption where they know, like, don't fail the Chinese students.

00:35:08.000 So I've heard accounts from Australian academics where someone will come in and they'll have their English paper and they'll feed it through, like translate this using Google to Chinese and then back to English.

00:35:17.000 And then they submit it so it all comes out, you know, not weird.

00:35:22.000 And then it's like auto A because they're like, oh, this is one of the Chinese students. 1.00

00:35:24.000 Can't fail them.

00:35:25.000 Well, that's the same thing that's happening in Europe, though.

00:35:27.000 So like all the African countries buy their students way into the universities. 0.98

00:35:34.000 And so they don't fail.

00:35:36.000 They have an incentive to not fail.

00:35:38.000 And then, plus, like in Eastern Europe, like they take all the professors take bribes.

00:35:43.000 So, there's literally no educating going on in Europe that's of real value.

00:35:50.000 And that you have all these foreign countries and foreign entities paying for a higher price.

00:35:55.000 And this is what's happening to our education system, too.

00:35:58.000 It's terrible.

00:35:58.000 It's that point where you realize all the complaints liberals make, where they're like, the U.S., the capitalist economic system, is corrupt and exploitative and produces nothing.

00:36:07.000 And you realize it's because they're in academia, which is full of liberal communism and therefore actually is all of those things.

00:36:14.000 Or like Hollywood, like they'll just say sexual harassment is in every industry because the industry they run, Hollywood, actually has tons of it.

00:36:22.000 Is it the case, Jack, that let's take Canada, not that it's the worst, but is it the nicety and the pleasant nature of these countries that has been used against them?

00:36:33.000 A bunch of the comments are saying this is a trick question because Canada is already ruined.

00:36:39.000 And so we should go to the next one.

00:36:41.000 UK is in the lead right now.

00:36:43.000 UK is taking a commanding lead to begin with.

00:36:46.000 Canada in second, United States in third, Ireland in last place.

00:36:51.000 Some of the comments are just gross.

00:36:52.000 I'm looking at the comments on Rumble as well.

00:36:54.000 Franklin's in there.

00:36:56.000 Poland's in an hour.

00:36:58.000 Let's see.

00:36:58.000 He said, No, Blake, that's just where the power structure is set up.

00:37:01.000 Surrounded by third world countries, India and China. 1.00

00:37:03.000 I think he's talking about Australia there.

00:37:06.000 People are saying UK or Canada.

00:37:09.000 Denny A. Wright is saying we should annex Canada like in Fallout before they go full commie.

00:37:14.000 UK is doomed.

00:37:16.000 Yeah, a lot of people saying Canada, England.

00:37:19.000 And yeah, they're really talking about how in Canada, the cops are defending the Palestinian protesters over Israel.

00:37:28.000 I mean, Canada is just, yeah, Charlie, to your point, your original question, it is because of the sort of like Canadian niceness and agreeableness, and which has really turned into a aversion to confrontation.

00:37:44.000 And it's that same aversion to confrontation we see across so much of Western society, particularly the Western church.

00:37:52.000 I think that has led to just a huge problem in our society because we don't actually have people that are willing to confront any of these things.

00:37:59.000 Yeah, it's a tragedy what's really happened to the West here.

00:38:02.000 Like, what do we have?

00:38:03.000 All right.

00:38:04.000 We have a few options here, but how about we discuss Ann Coulter and Vivek's little bit here?

00:38:11.000 So just the.

00:38:13.000 I want to just say before I don't agree with what Anne said.

00:38:15.000 I don't think you should categorize people the way she did.

00:38:18.000 I have to say that out of the gate.

00:38:19.000 All right.

00:38:20.000 I mean, that's good.

00:38:20.000 Just so people who haven't followed it, what's the number here on it?

00:38:24.000 But so Vivek had Ann on his podcast, I believe.

00:38:28.000 And she basically said, Vivek, I love all the stuff you're saying.

00:38:32.000 I just can't vote for you for one little reason.

00:38:36.000 What was the explanation she gave?

00:38:37.000 I'm not sure, but let's just play the clip.

00:38:39.000 I'm 25.

00:38:41.000 So, Ann, thanks for coming on.

00:38:42.000 And I'm looking forward to our conversation today.

00:38:45.000 Me too.

00:38:46.000 Thanks for having me.

00:38:47.000 That was a fantastic opening monologue.

00:38:50.000 I too am a fan of yours.

00:38:52.000 So I'm going to make a point of disagreeing with you so that it will be fun.

00:38:56.000 You are so bright and articulate.

00:38:59.000 And I guess I can call you articulate since you're not an American black. 1.00

00:39:03.000 Can't say that about them.

00:39:04.000 That's derogatory.

00:39:06.000 And that was a great opening segment.

00:39:08.000 Lots of things to talk about there.

00:39:10.000 Oh, and I agreed with many, many things you said during, in fact, probably more than most other candidates when you were running for president.

00:39:18.000 But I still would not have voted for you because you're an Indian. 1.00

00:39:23.000 We'll get back to that.

00:39:26.000 Okay.

00:39:27.000 Her point was on birthrights.

00:39:29.000 So, well, it's not birthright citizenship because he was born here, which is why it could run.

00:39:34.000 It's that she follows up, which I don't think we have this recorded, so I'll just read the quote.

00:39:38.000 She says, There is a core national identity of America, and that is the identity of the WASP, white Anglo-Saxon Protestant.

00:39:46.000 What I am.

00:39:47.000 That doesn't mean we can't take anyone else in, a Sri Lankan or a Japanese or an Indian.

00:39:51.000 That's what she said.

00:39:52.000 But the core around which the nation's values are formed is the WASP. 0.98

00:39:56.000 We have never had a president who didn't have at least partial English ancestry, Coulter continued.

00:40:03.000 And she said that if any of Ramaswamy's children married a member of the daughters of the American Revolution, then she would vote for those people for president.

00:40:12.000 I actually think she's mistaken because I think I actually can I tell you what I actually think that she was trying to say.

00:40:16.000 I think she was trying to say there is this constant rumor that circulates about Vivek, that he is, he is a subject of birthright citizenship and I think she just literally didn't know and that's what she was saying.

00:40:31.000 And then she followed it up with that saying that, because then she realized that he wasn't.

00:40:37.000 But I've seen it all over Twitter where there's like people that say this in the circles that she runs in, which is just like these, like pseudo two mega Anti-Trump circles, saying that he is, he was disqualified because of that, and I think that that's literally what she was meaning.

00:40:54.000 Not saying that's okay. 0.99

00:40:55.000 I'm just saying I think that she was just so misinformed and so stupid that she had to follow up with something even stupider with what with her statement. 1.00

00:41:02.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:41:03.000 Do you think that she was actually talking about the ethnicity?

00:41:06.000 I'm not sure.

00:41:07.000 Definitely an Audios America, which I've read and everyone else watching.

00:41:11.000 Read Audios America.

00:41:12.000 It will possibly make you have a stroke in anger, but if you survive, you will understand what they are doing to this country.

00:41:20.000 Uh, but a thing she really emphasizes is like that, you know the nation of immigrants thing is a post hoc invention, that's relatively recent, that for most of America's history it's.

00:41:32.000 You know, British Isles Germans, settlers and descendants Dutch.

00:41:35.000 Yeah, you know it's, and it's from a pretty narrow part of the country and you can make the argument that that is where a lot of our special political culture comes from, like the English legal tradition, the sort of, if you want to call it, like Protestant European conception of rights and government and blah.

00:41:54.000 And I think at the least what is defensible is saying that before anyone is elevated to the presidency, we should have strong reason to believe that they have bought into and understand that legacy.

00:42:07.000 Now are we picking people right now who do that?

00:42:09.000 That can be debated.

00:42:10.000 I saw a good tweet the other day that one of the best, the best displays of multiculturalism is that Antonin Scalia, who by heritage would be like a peasant in Sicily, can instead be on the Supreme Court and write about the great Anglo-saxon legal tradition and how great it is and how important it is.

00:42:27.000 And that would be a triumph if we have Vivek doing that, if Vivek is going on and saying like the British legal system is the greatest thing ever and as an American I am a proud inheritor of the Magna Carta and culture supported Mitt Romney, who's not a wasp. 0.77

00:42:42.000 So what's her point?

00:42:42.000 Mitt Romney's, I mean he's, he would be a wasp.

00:42:44.000 He's a Mormon, he is a Mormon, But WASP, I think she really basically means like ethnic.

00:42:49.000 And more, he would definitely be that, like, Ritt Romney, I assume.

00:42:52.000 I mean, yeah, Mitt Romney was super English.

00:42:54.000 Hung out with all the WASPs. 1.00

00:42:55.000 He's probably descended from like Huguenots or something.

00:42:58.000 He's super WASPY.

00:42:59.000 Very Mormon. 0.96

00:43:00.000 Okay, definitely.

00:43:00.000 He's a Mormon, though.

00:43:01.000 Yeah, I know, but he's a WASP. 1.00

00:43:02.000 He's being overly literal about like, you can be WASPY.

00:43:05.000 No, he's a cultural.

00:43:07.000 Culturally, some of our mega-wasps.

00:43:09.000 Some of our worst presidents have been WASPs. 1.00

00:43:10.000 For sure.

00:43:12.000 I don't understand the contention.

00:43:13.000 I think.

00:43:14.000 I think Anne is going for something more fundamental.

00:43:17.000 No, I think I'm telling you what I think.

00:43:19.000 I think she was trying to make up something afterwards because she was wrong and she literally was following nothing but tweets.

00:43:25.000 I disagree.

00:43:26.000 I just disagree.

00:43:28.000 I don't think that's worth it.

00:43:29.000 Does she think she meant it as she said it that like we shouldn't support Indians for office?

00:43:34.000 No, I think she was, I think she was being purposely, you know, bellicose to make a point and she knew it would go viral.

00:43:41.000 And this is something that she's done, you know, over throughout her entire career to make points by say something that's that's very belligerent, but also that cuts across to a deeper meaning.

00:43:50.000 And what she's, I think the core of her argument, if you listen to the rest of what she's talking about, in and really, which is the core of Adios America, which she, of course, refers to in the podcast as well, is that if you change the demographics of America by letting in people from all different parts of the world, 0.59

00:44:10.000 which is, you know, what we were talking about in the last segment, that don't have the same traditions, that don't have the same belief in the Bill of Rights, particularly the First Amendment and the Second Amendment, from countries that have just no experience with them or no understanding of them, that eventually you will get a body politic that does not actually support those things anymore.

00:44:30.000 And that is more than anything else, more than anything else, more than like communism and Gramsci and all of these things on campus that is driving the changes that we see right now is because we're bringing in so many people that have no direct tie to our traditions and have no background whatsoever from our tradition.

00:44:52.000 So I don't think it was necessarily a thing where she was saying like, oh, I don't support you because of your race.

00:44:57.000 I think it was more of a broader point that she's been making for a decade now.

00:45:01.000 But when does what bothered me about what Anne said, okay, fine, is like, has Vivek not demonstrated that he believes what we believe?

00:45:09.000 I mean, does she not, does she think he's being immigration?

00:45:13.000 Can I ask a question?

00:45:14.000 I don't know.

00:45:14.000 Vivek has said pretty strong stuff on immigration.

00:45:16.000 Maybe I'm mistaken.

00:45:18.000 Can I ask one question about Ann Coulter and her past and her history?

00:45:22.000 Because this probably dates back to her book.

00:45:24.000 Are you going to mention that she dated Dinesh D'Souza?

00:45:27.000 Yeah, so Dinesh D'Souza.

00:45:28.000 So I know this.

00:45:29.000 So I won't say, we won't talk about that, but there's a very tight circle of people that are friendly with that whole crowd.

00:45:37.000 So you've got, they all went to college together, right?

00:45:40.000 That are all super close in that era.

00:45:43.000 And again, oh, we could get into this.

00:45:45.000 I mean, I don't want to expose my source on all this, but she's not.

00:45:49.000 So Laura Ingram and Dinesh D'Azouza both went to Dartmouth and dated.

00:45:52.000 I don't think Anne Coulter did not go to the bottom.

00:45:54.000 I think they were engaged.

00:45:55.000 I understand, but they were all super close.

00:45:57.000 So you have Laura, and then you have Harmeep Dylan, and you have Dinesh.

00:46:04.000 And so, and you have this whole group.

00:46:06.000 That's that's what, but she was also a huge supporter, if I'm not mistaken, of Herman Kane.

00:46:14.000 She was 999.

00:46:15.000 I don't know if she was a supporter.

00:46:16.000 Really?

00:46:17.000 I am, I'm clawing way back to the Herman Kane era.

00:46:22.000 I'll look it up.

00:46:23.000 Man, I forgot that.

00:46:24.000 And she was on all over Herman Kane. 1.00

00:46:29.000 And so that I feel, so my question for you is, how does that conflict with the WASP statement?

00:46:36.000 Because he's definitely not WASPI. 0.92

00:46:39.000 Didn't she date Jimmy Walker?

00:46:41.000 I mean, I think Ann's always had a bit where she, you know, she does like to emphasize that black Americans are very American.

00:46:49.000 And, you know, so you can say, like.

00:46:52.000 Yeah, but that wasn't her statement about the WASPI statement.

00:46:54.000 True, true, true.

00:46:55.000 I think she's trying to dig herself out of a perfect.

00:46:57.000 It could be.

00:46:58.000 And I like Ann Coulter.

00:46:59.000 I just.

00:47:00.000 It is funny that when she said, you know, she says, partial English ancestry, which even Obama has.

00:47:05.000 In fact, I'm just saying.

00:47:07.000 Let's play the Vivek.

00:47:08.000 That's why I'm saying that.

00:47:08.000 JFK did not have British anger.

00:47:10.000 Yeah, he was all Irish.

00:47:11.000 Let's play. 0.95

00:47:12.000 Herman Kane was blacker than Obama. 0.93

00:47:14.000 Let's play Isles argument.

00:47:14.000 All right.

00:47:16.000 Let's play Cut 144.

00:47:18.000 Why am I the only person who can actually offer legal argument for why we should be able to end birthright citizenship without a constitutional amendment?

00:47:25.000 And so the irony to me is I think.

00:47:27.000 I can answer that.

00:47:28.000 I can answer that.

00:47:29.000 Yeah.

00:47:29.000 It's because of the color of your skin.

00:47:31.000 And I don't mean you do.

00:47:34.000 You are inoculated.

00:47:35.000 You know, for someone who looks like she's straight from. 0.99

00:47:37.000 I just, I disagree with that.

00:47:38.000 I'm going to be back at you, Steve. 0.98

00:47:39.000 I'm going to hit you hard for that. 1.00

00:47:40.000 That is because the rest of you are freaking lazy. 0.99

00:47:43.000 And the conservative movement has grown lately. 1.00

00:47:45.000 Cowards. 1.00

00:47:46.000 Cowards. 1.00

00:47:46.000 People in this country have common sense. 1.00

00:47:48.000 What we really lack is courage.

00:47:50.000 So I'm not going to buy some BS that like my last name or my skin color insulates me.

00:47:54.000 Think about it.

00:47:55.000 I had to step down.

00:47:56.000 That's the perception. 0.99

00:47:57.000 You have balls, but other people won't criticize you. 0.97

00:47:59.000 But we'll just, but we'll just, we'll just level up this. 0.97

00:48:02.000 We're having some fun here.

00:48:03.000 I stepped down from my seat, a CEO of a company, multi-billion dollar company that I founded, led a CEO, built it from scratch, wasn't born into money, and had a choice to do what every other biotech CEO was doing in the wake of George Floyd, chose not to do it, did not issue a statement in favor of BLM, because saving this country involves some measure of sacrifice.

00:48:21.000 So, Jack, what's your thought on that?

00:48:24.000 Yeah, Crowder's 100% right there.

00:48:26.000 There's no question.

00:48:27.000 This is something that we've all faced at one point or another, you know, in America, right?

00:48:32.000 So we've talked about that stuff on this program, on our separate programs, birthright citizenship, as well as illegals getting citizenship, various things that we've gone even further than that at times, tripping citizenship.

00:48:45.000 And the issue is not whether or not we have the courage to say those things.

00:48:50.000 The issue is the fact that because of the color of our skin, which happens to be white or classified as white, that we don't get the same kind of pushback, or excuse me, we get pushback that a guy like Vivek or a guy like, you know, any, you know, what do you want to call it?

00:49:08.000 Any non-white conservative would not receive because we all get called racist for saying those things, whereas they don't get the same kind of pushback because they don't have white skin.

00:49:19.000 And it's as simple as that.

00:49:20.000 This is a basic form.

00:49:21.000 And that's what Crowder is explaining right there, that this is a basic form of the anti-white regime that we have in this country that will always push back and will always go straight to that if you are white and espouse any of those any of those statements.

00:49:36.000 Yeah, so I just want to make sure I understand.

00:49:38.000 Let's pretend that Ann wasn't saying this just for clicks and she said it as bluntly that I won't vote for an Indian, right? 1.00

00:49:45.000 But is Vivek not American?

00:49:48.000 So she thinks that the country he wasn't born in is his country just because his parents are from that country.

00:49:53.000 Is that her position? 0.78

00:49:54.000 I would take the position I want to vote for an Ohioan.

00:49:57.000 I'd vote for JD Vance.

00:49:58.000 I'm just kidding.

00:49:59.000 I'd vote for Jim John for president?

00:50:01.000 For JD Vance?

00:50:02.000 For president?

00:50:02.000 100%.

00:50:04.000 One day, JD Vance for president, if he was on the ballot, yeah, of course.

00:50:07.000 Against every other side.

00:50:08.000 JD is vice president.

00:50:10.000 I'm just teasing Ohioans.

00:50:11.000 Oh, my God.

00:50:12.000 I do think what she's partly getting at that maybe she's misassigning it to him being Indian as opposed to something else.

00:50:19.000 But there is a strong sense that Vivek is, he is a strong upstart.

00:50:24.000 So he doesn't have a super political background.

00:50:28.000 And in the last four or five years, he writes a few books criticizing like wokeness in business, runs for president when he's 36, 37, is pretty recently taking all of his views.

00:50:40.000 I remember he hadn't really decided an immigration view even like a year ago.

00:50:45.000 So he's saying really based stuff now, but it's like it's so quick that you could easily just say he essentially has, you know, consultants go, tell me what the most based thing to tell Republicans is right now to appeal to them.

00:50:59.000 Like there's a sense that could he be, is he saying stuff we agree with?

00:51:03.000 Yes.

00:51:04.000 Does he seem to get it?

00:51:05.000 Yeah, he's doing it really well.

00:51:07.000 But could he be like, you know, manipulating us as his path to like slingshot his way into a cabinet seat, into the vice presidency, into the White House?

00:51:16.000 Well, I think the criticism of the, again, I don't want to, I will truck it up to Ann's very impressive career on the topic saying something either to get clicks or that she doesn't actually necessarily mean.

00:51:26.000 Because I bet I could drill Ann down on this, where it's like, okay, if Vivek did everything he said he was going to do and he was running up against like Bernie Sanders, who's WASPI, or he's Jewish, but I mean, like, let's just pick a WASP left-winger, okay? 0.56

00:51:41.000 Was okay, who would you vote for, Ann Coulter?

00:51:45.000 Like, waspy socialist, you know, open borders or Vivek.

00:51:49.000 So I just, I, I don't, I don't like that.

00:51:51.000 And on a funny level, it's kind of like modern American politics, when you think about it, a huge portion of the conservative Republican electorate is like non-WASP people who have assimilated to old WASP values, while the WASPs themselves have become these sort of secularized, you know, modernist liberals who have abandoned all of that.

00:52:12.000 Globalists.

00:52:13.000 So when you think of who founded the Republican Party, when the Republican Party was created, it was the most WASP thing to ever exist, pure Yankee-dom. 1.00

00:52:21.000 All of these Episcopalians and Methodists in northern states.

00:52:25.000 And the descendants of those people are overwhelmingly pretty liberal.

00:52:28.000 And then the people who love the old Republican platform from 1860, 1880 are, you know, the children of Irish immigrants, Italian immigrants, German immigrants, these days, like Mexican immigrants.

00:52:43.000 Like you're getting sort of this latter-day adoption of the old Yankee values. 0.81

00:52:48.000 And that's probably the best display of American multi-speaking.

00:52:50.000 So let me just say the other question of this: did Vivek push back enough?

00:52:54.000 I actually would, that's my, I would say, if I, if somebody would have told me, I can't vote for you, Charlie, because you're a white person, I would explode on them.

00:53:02.000 What if they said that to you and you were in India?

00:53:05.000 If I was in India, like if you'd immigrated, it depends on what the Indian value system is.

00:53:09.000 Like you immigrated. 1.00

00:53:11.000 Hold on, If I would have assimilated, if I would have assimilated to Indian culture, like Vivek has assimilated to America.

00:53:18.000 You would never win an election, though.

00:53:20.000 Okay, this is very hypothetical, but I wouldn't want to say never.

00:53:23.000 India let an Italian become their prime minister.

00:53:26.000 Go ahead, guys.

00:53:28.000 No, sorry.

00:53:29.000 No, no, you can keep going.

00:53:30.000 Keep going.

00:53:30.000 No, it's good.

00:53:31.000 No, keep going.

00:53:33.000 But keep going with that.

00:53:35.000 No, I was saying, if I would have gone to India and India had the same values, India doesn't have American values, though. 0.73

00:53:40.000 They don't treat outsiders very well.

00:53:43.000 They have a caste system.

00:53:43.000 That's what should make America a little different: it's about your value system, not about your skin color.

00:53:49.000 It should be.

00:53:50.000 Maybe that's not an ideal that we hold up anymore.

00:53:52.000 It's a bad example because Indians with the caste system don't really love English colonizers. 1.00

00:54:00.000 So I don't think, I think they have a bad rap.

00:54:03.000 So I think you're not going to get elected in India to anything.

00:54:06.000 Yeah.

00:54:06.000 So it's not, it's not the same, right?

00:54:09.000 But I, I mean, I'll, I'll repeat this, though, which is, I mean, the, the question is, did Vivek push back enough?

00:54:18.000 Well, I was just going to say, I think that she just is very representative.

00:54:22.000 She's very boomerish in how she looks at things, how she responds to things is very boomerish.

00:54:28.000 She's like the cool boomer in the room that like all the boomers are like, that's the coolest boomer. 1.00

00:54:33.000 And like that are on our side, more conservative, like tea party-esque, whatever.

00:54:38.000 She just is very boomer in her immediate like knee-jerk reaction responses. 1.00

00:54:44.000 And I think like she just says stuff to like kind of be cooler sometimes with this stuff.

00:54:49.000 And yeah, Vivek is great.

00:54:51.000 Like your point is exactly right, Charlie.

00:54:53.000 It's like, why would you take a open borders, you know, Coke product, like Blake was saying, like super lib waspy guy over a Vivek who's heading towards the right direction.

00:55:07.000 Does that make sense?

00:55:09.000 Jack, where do you fall on this?

00:55:10.000 Do you think Vivek pushed back enough?

00:55:14.000 So I've heard that argument a couple of times.

00:55:17.000 And I remember people saying this as well in the Tucker Carlson Putin argument.

00:55:21.000 Oh, you didn't push back enough.

00:55:23.000 Tucker didn't push back enough.

00:55:24.000 You didn't push back.

00:55:26.000 I come down this on the side of an interviewer, right?

00:55:29.000 If you're an interviewer and you're doing a show, Charlie, you have people on all the time.

00:55:34.000 And the question of like, did you push back more?

00:55:36.000 It's like, well, I look at it this way.

00:55:39.000 Did I bring someone on with the intention?

00:55:42.000 Did I, you know, did I book it as a debate?

00:55:44.000 Did I explain what it was going to do to be a debate?

00:55:47.000 Or did I say it was going to be an interview and I'm interested in actually seeing what that person has to say?

00:55:52.000 And so those are two separate things.

00:55:53.000 If I'm interested in what that person has to say, I'm not going to push back because then you're going to get more information out of them.

00:55:59.000 Then you're going to be able to actually have a more free-flowing conversation, an open conversation.

00:56:04.000 But the minute you start pushing back, the minute you start attacking someone, that's when your physical and mental defenses start raising up.

00:56:09.000 You, you know, you crush your arms, you lean back more, your body language completely changes, your micro expressions change.

00:56:14.000 So you're going to have a completely different situation.

00:56:17.000 So I think it's a, I think it's a false argument when people say, oh, you didn't push back enough.

00:56:21.000 And it's something that I just don't, yeah, I don't really, I don't really hold against interviewers and I don't think I ever will.

00:56:27.000 Do you think he should have pushed back more?

00:56:29.000 It was his show.

00:56:30.000 She came on. 0.93

00:56:31.000 I think they've interacted before.

00:56:33.000 Yeah.

00:56:35.000 It was a little weird.

00:56:37.000 I'm never going to like say someone was really awful because they didn't get really mad because it's good to have mastery over your emotions.

00:56:47.000 It might be a little too slick where he's just like saying like, ah, you know, Anne says her thing, but we were just saying, don't, I guess, don't flip out about things that are allegedly racist.

00:56:56.000 And maybe we should include explicitly saying, I will not let you do things because of your race.

00:57:02.000 Yeah, I just, I mean, I don't, I think it's just, it's on, it's needlessly like shallow where it's like, okay, and would you rather have like a left-wing waspy president or someone like Vivek who's a Hindu who might do like really based things? 0.94

00:57:15.000 Yeah.

00:57:16.000 I guess not.

00:57:16.000 I, I, I suppose that the policy doesn't mean as much to her.

00:57:20.000 Does that worry you at all, I guess?

00:57:22.000 Like America has every president we've had has at least nominally been Christian. 0.94

00:57:27.000 Does America lose something if we have a president who is just not Christian? 1.00

00:57:32.000 I asked, I mean, I talked to Vivek about this recently.

00:57:36.000 And I, I want he, he, he espouses a form of Hinduism that is dualism or non-dualism, meaning he believes, he says he's a monotheist.

00:57:45.000 So there's a, uh, there's a separate part of Hinduism that is monotheism.

00:57:50.000 You'll see this with modern Hinduism. 0.90

00:57:51.000 They'll say like all the gods are manifestations of like a single divine essence.

00:57:56.000 So that bothers me less because polytheism is like directly at odds with ethical monotheism.

00:58:02.000 But no, I mean, I would take Vivek over like David French in a second for president.

00:58:07.000 Would you?

00:58:08.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:58:09.000 Okay.

00:58:10.000 Like David French is like a Christian, right? 0.98

00:58:12.000 Or I mean, the guy that wrote this like ridiculous book, David French.

00:58:15.000 Well, how about Joe Scarborough, who pretends, he pretends he's a Christian every morning on morning.

00:58:20.000 I feel like David, the thing is, is that Vivek would be able to read the Bible and he'd be able to find like a good number of books in it that he agrees with, whereas David French kind of like condensed the Bible down to that turn the other cheek verse and then he like cut out all the other.

00:58:32.000 It's like the Jefferson Bible, except you cut out everything but one verse.

00:58:35.000 Yeah, you cut out the sword and you cause, like all the like, the most wimpy like interpretations.

00:58:40.000 Yeah, I think we honed in on it.

00:58:42.000 I think it was her dating history with Dinesh.

00:58:45.000 That that's what she was really saying.

00:58:47.000 Read between the lines, that's getting too solid for me.

00:58:49.000 I'll never date or vote for an Indian Steve. 1.00

00:58:56.000 Final thoughts, jack on that.

00:58:58.000 Uh I, I have I I, uh.

00:59:00.000 I had a rule about Italian women after my first girlfriend that i've stuck to since then. 1.00

00:59:04.000 See for sure, all right.

00:59:08.000 Next topic, two options, we can talk about the Onion or we can talk about surrogates.

00:59:12.000 Onion Onion, all right.

00:59:14.000 So absolute earthquake in the media landscape.

00:59:18.000 The Onion, a publication you last read 15 years ago when it was funny, has new management and it's actually the funniest thing the Onion has done in at least 10 years, I would say.

00:59:30.000 The Onion got bought by some Silicon Valley Gigalib and he decided to let Ben Collins be in charge of it.

00:59:37.000 Now, Ben Collins for those of you who don't know, he's the like lame half of the reporting duo with Brandy Zadrozny and Ben Collins.

00:59:45.000 Yes, and all he does.

00:59:47.000 You can go read his twitter.

00:59:48.000 He's made something like 80 000 tweets by now, I bet, and all Ben Collins does is sit on twitter or until he left I think he left because, like twitter was too offensive and moan and be like there's so much hate on this website, there's so much hate they're threatening people's nose.

01:00:05.000 Charlie Cook is a Nazi and he's just like freaks out like this, and so they made him the editor in chief of.

01:00:12.000 He gets really sweaty, he cries. 0.85

01:00:13.000 He once almost went into tears talking about Elon Musk buying Twitter because he was so upset about it.

01:00:20.000 And, big picture, he is the least funny person.

01:00:24.000 I will pay someone fifty dollars if they can send me a funny thing that Ben Collins has posted.

01:00:31.000 That makes me laugh.

01:00:32.000 I dare all of you.

01:00:34.000 I will pay you if you can do it.

01:00:36.000 And so we have modern, like the Modern Onion is like.

01:00:40.000 We have new articles and they're all just like the worst lectures in the world.

01:00:44.000 Let's see if we can like bring some of this up on screen.

01:00:47.000 Um, because we were checking some of their headlines.

01:00:50.000 Like with the UH Campus, what's that one there?

01:00:53.000 Can you read that one?

01:00:55.000 Yeah, like Florida's near total abortion ban by the numbers, and i'm sure there's allegedly a joke in that, but it's really just like Florida they're.

01:01:02.000 They're taking away a woman's right to cheese. 1.00

01:01:05.000 So serious it's not funny.

01:01:07.000 There's no joke we can make about it.

01:01:08.000 Yes, and i'm just gonna go to the website.

01:01:11.000 Right, are they succeeding?

01:01:12.000 Is the Onion doing well?

01:01:14.000 Well, I mean, they got.

01:01:15.000 They got sold.

01:01:16.000 So whoever owned it, the AV CLUB thought it was an asset worth spinning off.

01:01:20.000 Yeah, Trump drapes jacket overhead so nobody can tell he's sleeping in court my gosh.

01:01:32.000 Meanwhile, the Babylon Beast actually funny. 0.82

01:01:34.000 Yeah, the Babylon BEE is amazing.

01:01:36.000 Their new Woke Jesus video is hilarious.

01:01:38.000 Yeah, and the big picture is, I think a lot of us did read the Onion 20 years ago and we weren't liberal and it didn't always hit, but There used to be a world where people on the left were often funny, and now they're just not.

01:01:54.000 And I guess it's an interesting evolution.

01:01:56.000 And is it that too many things became sacred?

01:01:59.000 And the nature of comedy is being able to poke fun at things.

01:02:03.000 Well, that's a good topic, which is, and I think you were in the car when we were talking about this.

01:02:07.000 You said the Tom Brady roast was like one of the few re-emergences of old comedy.

01:02:13.000 Can you talk about that?

01:02:14.000 Oh, yeah.

01:02:14.000 I don't think we have an eclipse of it.

01:02:15.000 No, but that shows that's at tension with the onion thing, though.

01:02:19.000 Yeah.

01:02:19.000 And so, but it was, I guess you would say is it felt almost like, I don't want to say right-wing comedy because that's going too far, but it was a lot of jokes that certainly like smug left-wingers would say, like, that's not okay.

01:02:33.000 That's punching down.

01:02:34.000 Like, they made jokes about Aaron Hernandez hanging himself in his prison cell, which is definitely pretty dark.

01:02:42.000 That would be like triggering to a million people.

01:02:43.000 There were no trigger warnings for a bunch of this.

01:02:49.000 It's like, I guess good comedy requires the ability to take a risk.

01:02:53.000 And if the risk doesn't work out, it won't be the end of your life.

01:02:57.000 And I think that might be the big flaw of left-wing comedy: you cannot take a risk on the left because if your joke falls flat, it's not just an unfunny joke.

01:03:06.000 It might be the end of your life.

01:03:09.000 You will lose your job.

01:03:10.000 They'll make your wife divorce you. 1.00

01:03:12.000 They'll try to find a way to throw you in prison.

01:03:16.000 They'll do every manner of bad thing.

01:03:18.000 And unsurprisingly, this is a situation that doesn't lead to very good comedy.

01:03:23.000 I'll bet that they had comedians in the USSR, and I suspect that they were not very funny.

01:03:27.000 Tyler, did you watch the roast?

01:03:29.000 Yeah.

01:03:31.000 It was incredible.

01:03:31.000 It was like Throwback 2000s Comedy Central.

01:03:34.000 How were they able to get it?

01:03:35.000 They stopped doing the roasts like years ago on Comedy Central because Comedy Central got too woke.

01:03:40.000 But how were they able to get it?

01:03:41.000 Just they wanted the ratings.

01:03:42.000 Netflix didn't care because they went there.

01:03:44.000 They broke a lot of the rules of modern comedy.

01:03:47.000 So Netflix has was doing this.

01:03:50.000 I don't know if everybody knows this, but they had a convention, a Netflix comedy convention that they were doing.

01:03:56.000 Netflix is a joke.

01:03:57.000 They have a radio station on.

01:03:58.000 So they're trying to make money, right?

01:04:01.000 And it turns out, in order to make money, you have to actually be funny.

01:04:05.000 So this is a perfect juxtaposition to The Onion and why it's going to fail.

01:04:09.000 Is that, and nothing could be greater and grander than looking at, like, I mean, we saw with The Daily Show, right?

01:04:15.000 What happened with The Daily Show?

01:04:18.000 The Daily Show got, I think they're bringing back part of it, right?

01:04:20.000 Well, they brought back Jon Stewart.

01:04:22.000 They had to bring back Jon Stewart with three other people just to try to like revive it.

01:04:27.000 They have, this is the new onion.

01:04:28.000 Advisors assure Biden this will blow over once all Gazan's dead.

01:04:34.000 Say that again. 0.87

01:04:35.000 Advisors tell Biden that all of this will blow over once all the Gazans are dead.

01:04:39.000 Okay.

01:04:40.000 Is that The Onion?

01:04:41.000 Yeah, that's The Onion.

01:04:42.000 That's The Onion.

01:04:43.000 I'm just going through Ben Collins' Twitter.

01:04:44.000 He's now just spamming, you know, his new onion articles from his super duper funny.

01:04:49.000 But The Babylon B is hilarious.

01:04:50.000 Let me let me read this top.

01:04:51.000 Bob Iger insists Disney stock drop not caused by failure of latest movie, Gay Black Pinocchio protests for Palestine.

01:04:58.000 It's hilarious.

01:04:59.000 Yeah, let's go back and forth here.

01:05:00.000 Like, so The Onion.

01:05:02.000 Sorry, I'm late.

01:05:03.000 These protesters were a nightmare.

01:05:04.000 Says blood-spattered riot gear clad Biden entering press conference.

01:05:09.000 Babylon B. Biden strikes deal where Hamas gets to keep American hostages in exchange for 15 electoral votes in Michigan.

01:05:17.000 That's good, right?

01:05:18.000 It's like it's real comedy.

01:05:21.000 So, oh man, how about this one?

01:05:23.000 Stormy Daniels offers hush money to courtroom sketch artists to please stop drawing her. 0.98

01:05:30.000 It's like that's actual comedy.

01:05:32.000 All right.

01:05:32.000 Here's Dana White, who gets pretty upset about the Tom Brady host, Roast, Play Cut 145.

01:05:39.000 Actually, let me get into this real quick.

01:05:41.000 It pisses me off.

01:05:42.000 I flew all the way out here and you guys give me 60 seconds.

01:05:46.000 My name is Dana.

01:05:49.000 Is that not trans and not feeling differently? 0.58

01:05:55.000 I think at another point, someone said they were like, Tom Brady, like, you only brought like one black wide receiver here or something, real woke of you.

01:06:03.000 Some joke like that.

01:06:04.000 I heard it secondhand, but it was pretty sure that it was pretty nasty, though.

01:06:08.000 I mean, like, it got there.

01:06:09.000 So he had the 9-11 joke.

01:06:12.000 Oh, yeah.

01:06:13.000 Tony Hinchcliffe was so funny, too.

01:06:15.000 Who made the 9-11 joke?

01:06:16.000 Was it Brady himself?

01:06:17.000 Tom Brady.

01:06:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:06:18.000 When two Jets slammed into Drew Bledsoe.

01:06:21.000 Two Jets were slamming into Drew Bledsoe.

01:06:23.000 In September 2001.

01:06:25.000 In September.

01:06:26.000 Yeah, it was like, whoa, whoa.

01:06:30.000 So this is kind of like the theory.

01:06:32.000 So we should actually go around.

01:06:35.000 There's this theory that kind of running around the, you know, like right-wing frog Twitter right now.

01:06:41.000 And the idea is, have we reached peak woke?

01:06:45.000 And a lot of people, so this, the theory has been posited.

01:06:49.000 And even like the New York Times has written about this, Financial Times, a bunch of people saying it.

01:06:53.000 But the real question is, have we at this point, and is the roast of Tom Brady, you know, have we reached Peak Woke?

01:07:02.000 I would also, I would also say that Peak Woke is also exemplified by the fact that you notice that like Hollywood is starting to actually cast like really attractive women again in movies and SNL has, you know, a lot of these different, a lot of the actresses are like not what's the word to say.

01:07:29.000 The traditional standard of beauty has now returned.

01:07:33.000 And so I guess this is my question.

01:07:34.000 Have we reached peak woke?

01:07:37.000 It depends where.

01:07:38.000 I mean, I just, I think that at some point, the lords of easy money, you can't sustain a business enterprise just by putting forward a revolution.

01:07:47.000 I mean, I think it's going to matter a lot that, for example, if The Onion is not funny and The Babylon Bee is, young people do like what is funny.

01:07:55.000 And that's a cultural power we, you know, we haven't had for a long time.

01:08:00.000 I'd say going back maybe at least like 70 years, the funniest comedians by consensus are usually left-leaning as a whole.

01:08:10.000 Not 100% of the time, but most of the, you know, they would be left of center culturally.

01:08:15.000 And now we're actually at the point where I feel if you ask people, like, who do you consider like the, what's the funniest website you know, or who are the funniest people you know?

01:08:24.000 They're just not, they're definitely not going to be normy libs.

01:08:28.000 At most, they would be some sort of libertarian leaning person or maybe some like actual total like weird commie Marxist whack job.

01:08:36.000 Well, because comedy is supposed to go up against the norm and the culture.

01:08:39.000 It subverts your expectations, as they would say.

01:08:42.000 At the very least, up against the dominant.

01:08:43.000 Yeah, even if they say like, oh, good comedy punches down, which I don't, or punches, it's punches up, punches up, which I don't actually fully agree with.

01:08:51.000 You can totally punch down and it's hilarious.

01:08:53.000 But if you believe in that, well, punching up is always going to be targeting left-wing things.

01:08:57.000 There is no conservative establishment anymore.

01:09:00.000 And no matter how hard they try to pretend that this is the case.

01:09:03.000 Like if you're, if you are protesting at Columbia, you are protesting against a bunch of liberals.

01:09:07.000 You are not protesting the man.

01:09:09.000 So I saw this clip super early, and this is an example of comics going right.

01:09:13.000 This is one of my favorite clips.

01:09:14.000 I don't know what this comic's name is.

01:09:16.000 If you guys can get me his name, I want to make sure I give him credit.

01:09:19.000 He's at the Laugh Factory, which Andrew used to go to a lot.

01:09:22.000 And the best part of this is that he starts doing improv kind of with the guy in the front row.

01:09:25.000 Like, hey, what do you do for a living?

01:09:26.000 And the guy takes his job so seriously.

01:09:28.000 I work for the Biden administration.

01:09:30.000 Not think he's going to get roasted.

01:09:31.000 And then he keeps he the guy in the crowd is like, oh, no, no, no.

01:09:35.000 I go, I travel the southern states, not realizing like, how dare you make fun of me type thing?

01:09:40.000 This is an amazing clip.

01:09:41.000 Play cut 146.

01:09:43.000 Nick, what do you do for a living now?

01:09:46.000 You work for the Biden administration.

01:09:49.000 Is your job to wake them up, or what's your job?

01:09:52.000 Hey, hey, hey, hey, there's a war.

01:09:56.000 Okay, what do you do for the Biden?

01:09:58.000 What a show of a job you have.

01:10:01.000 I can't believe you admitted that in front of all these people.

01:10:04.000 You have the freedom to lie. 0.99

01:10:05.000 You could have said you were a hooker, and I would have been prouder of you. 1.00

01:10:08.000 What do you do? 0.99

01:10:09.000 I travel to some of the states.

01:10:23.000 You go to the South and try to sell them on Biden.

01:10:27.000 We're starting.

01:10:28.000 What the f are you talking about?

01:10:31.000 That's your job to go.

01:10:34.000 Hey, listen, I know you guys like Trump, but Biden, I mean, wow.

01:10:41.000 Are you ready to be unemployed?

01:10:42.000 Or what you vibe?

01:10:44.000 This guy is Arab.

01:10:46.000 His name is Josh Ocean Thomas.

01:10:48.000 When you lose the frontline comics like that, that's a bad sign.

01:10:53.000 Not even just lose them, but when the clips go viral and they're authentically funny, yes.

01:10:58.000 I've been around a while.

01:10:59.000 I think you and I can probably recall there have been attempts at conservative comedy like in the Bush years, in the Obama years, and they didn't stick.

01:11:08.000 They would be kind of cringe, kind of lame.

01:11:11.000 They just didn't quite get what made things funny.

01:11:15.000 And especially since Trump, it's just been different.

01:11:18.000 The people who are the funniest Twitter accounts you can follow, they like code.

01:11:22.000 I'm not saying they're explicitly right-wing in the sense that they're saying, go vote Republican, but they code as right-wing.

01:11:28.000 They are much more offensive to liberals than to conservatives.

01:11:33.000 And that's a big change.

01:11:34.000 And I don't think Ben Collins is going to change it.

01:11:37.000 Even though, like, someone coming up and telling me Ben Collins was just named the head of The Onion is one of the funniest things that I have heard in my entire life.

01:11:51.000 Dude, have you heard Jerry Seinfeld just like over and over and over going off about this stuff?

01:11:57.000 I just dropped the link that we posted.

01:11:59.000 Jerry's actually funny.

01:12:01.000 And he's going after, like, one guy in one of the interviews was like, hey, there are not enough white people in your audiences.

01:12:07.000 And he's like, are you serious?

01:12:08.000 And then, like, just like going after all sorts of stuff because he's like, they're killing comedy.

01:12:14.000 The left is killing comedy.

01:12:15.000 He said, I think he said the left is killing comedy. 0.99

01:12:17.000 Speaking of killing comedy, we have some troll in our comments who's saying, suck my farts over and over again from Eat My Butt 12. 0.99

01:12:24.000 Oh, that guy's actually funnier than the Onion. 0.99

01:12:26.000 I've been over Rumble like all week.

01:12:28.000 He was on my show.

01:12:29.000 We got up on some other shows.

01:12:31.000 Yeah.

01:12:31.000 He's probably an onion contributor.

01:12:33.000 He might be Ben Collins.

01:12:35.000 It is Ben Collins.

01:12:36.000 If you do follow Ben Collins' Twitter, one of the secrets you discover is Ben Collins is like never not posting on the internet, never offline, never not coming up with reasons to call people racist Nazis.

01:12:50.000 He is truly the most humorless person I have ever seen online.

01:12:55.000 And that's saying something because there's a lot of very pouty liberals on the internet. 1.00

01:13:00.000 Well, I wanted to say this one thing about the comics.

01:13:03.000 It's just so many of them they've attempted to cancel, including what's his face that we just dropped in the chat.

01:13:08.000 They canceled off SNL.

01:13:12.000 You guys know that whole history with him, right?

01:13:15.000 Who?

01:13:17.000 With Shane Gillis.

01:13:18.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:18.000 He's supposed to go on SNL and they canceled him over the racist stuff.

01:13:22.000 And then there's that.

01:13:23.000 I think we have him right here in the chat.

01:13:25.000 Want to play his tape?

01:13:26.000 But it wasn't.

01:13:28.000 What's that?

01:13:28.000 We have Shane Gillis's tape right here.

01:13:30.000 Let's play Cut 147.

01:13:31.000 The night the United States killed the leader of ISIS.

01:13:33.000 Trump comes out of the situation room at like midnight, walks up in front of the entire world at midnight and just goes, Abu, Bagar, Al Baghdadi, is dead. 0.97

01:13:44.000 He died like a dog.

01:13:47.000 Meanest talk you've ever heard in front of the whole world.

01:13:51.000 Abu We could hear him crying.

01:13:54.000 I said, Abu, don't die.

01:13:57.000 Let me tell you something.

01:13:58.000 Abu cried.

01:13:59.000 He cried quite a bit.

01:14:00.000 I wouldn't have cried.

01:14:03.000 Cry, baby, back, daddy.

01:14:05.000 That's what we were all called.

01:14:07.000 Yeah, a real part of this is Donald Trump himself is he's not a comedian, but he actually kind of is, as a cultural presence, like the funniest person in the world.

01:14:17.000 Like the amount of comedy that has been earnestly generated by Trump supporters who love Trump is higher than the comedy we get from anything else.

01:14:26.000 And that is a huge cultural importance.

01:14:29.000 Yeah, Norm McDonald.

01:14:30.000 Norm McDonald once famously repassed.

01:14:33.000 He once went on an interview and was saying that he actually went to a Trump rally once and was talking about Trump's public speaking skills.

01:14:42.000 And he was like, oh, this is, he's like, look, I've been doing stand-up my entire life.

01:14:45.000 That's my whole career.

01:14:46.000 That's clearly what Trump is doing.

01:14:48.000 He's got the timing.

01:14:50.000 He obviously knows how to lead an audience.

01:14:52.000 He obviously knows how to bring people up.

01:14:55.000 And he was talking just purely from, you know, a critique, not a critique, but a review of his performance.

01:15:01.000 He was like, this guy is doing the same thing that we teach everyone in my industry.

01:15:05.000 He's just doing it in politics, which no one's ever really done before.

01:15:08.000 All right, everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 11, 2024

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 44 — Mud-Faced Millionaires? Trump Jail = Good? The Unfunny Left?

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