On this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk is joined by his co-host, Blake Neft, and special guest, Mike Benz, founder of the Foundation for Freedom (FFF) and host of the Parts Unknown podcast.
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00:04:00.000It's pretty obviously like Miami area, but you know, like Benz is like the least optech aware of all of us in an underground.
00:04:10.000Oh, yeah, we're trying to specific the Atlantic ocean.
00:04:12.000Yeah, you would probably like there have been times where drone strikes have been called in just because like somebody posted a picture from a balcony, just saying, you know, maybe someone will send me a love letter, you know, in a drone.
00:05:48.000They publish new editions of some old books by kind of just prominent, like old, like reactionary, conservative writers of various strands.
00:06:50.000Judge all books by their covers, which, of course, since we're talking about a publicing publication house, I would say that's that's quite apropos.
00:07:00.000No, there's the do we have the picture of Lomez?
00:07:03.000Because he's been, you know, I wasn't sure if he would, so we had him on my show earlier this week, and he wasn't, you know, I told Told him, I said, Look, if you don't want your picture out there, you don't have to do video, you can do audio only.
00:07:14.000But he was like, No, let's let's go ahead and do it.
00:07:16.000And he put his name out there and he was more than happy to show his face.
00:07:18.000And let's just say he's um, he doesn't look like Jason Wilson, he looks like a totally normal guy that you would just see walking down the street, which is kind of part of the big problem for this doxing attempt is like nobody can actually really understand why they decided to dox this guy because there wasn't really anything they found in there other than like he supported, I don't know, basic right-wing things.
00:07:44.000The funniest thing about it, the funniest thing about it is like if you bring up the article here, I've got the article on the uh on the side computer here.
00:07:50.000If you bring up the article, they have photos of all of these other people, so they're like, Oh, here's Ernst Junger, he's a German World War I veteran who wrote some books and they've published him.
00:08:01.000Like, here's Ernst Junger, here's Peter Wrangel, the leader of the Russia Whites.
00:08:05.000What they never have in this doxing article that exists to reveal someone's identity, they never have a photo of Lomez himself.
00:08:13.000And the answer is because Lomez is way hotter looking than the guy doxing him.
00:08:19.000And he's basically like, then you can find the.
00:08:22.000So it turns out he was a college professor at um, is it uh?
00:08:28.000And you can find his rate, my professors page.
00:08:31.000And there are there are reviews not new ones, these are reviews from five years ago where they're just like, oh my god, he's so hot and he's a good and he's a good, you know instructor, he's good at that too, but he's mostly, you know, is this, were you the rate?
00:09:04.000All i'm saying is, you know like, we're all perfectly straight here, but if we weren't, you know well, your home base, is that what you're saying?
00:09:15.000I, I don't know Mike's the relationship status, but Jack and I have really great you know beards.
00:09:29.000Well here oh, before we go on, by the way, because we go completely off the rails here's here's, the real question about this topic is that you know Blake, you know more than anyone that doxing and canceling in the past was extremely powerful, and so I want to throw this to Benz real quick, since we've got him one.
00:09:48.000It's And and Benz, you were someone who they tried to go after you and they were like oh, he had like a fake podcast and all this stuff and it was ridiculous and it was like a one-day story and they hold it over your head for like weeks beforehand.
00:10:00.000Oh, we're digging into your past, we're digging up all the skeletons and then the story runs and they always kind of backfire.
00:10:08.000I feel like ever since Elon bought Twitter and Darren Beattie we're all mutual friends of Darren had a long, a couple of tweet threads about this, saying that the whole kind of hierarchy of doxing is now completely inverted.
00:10:24.000Well, you know, that meme where it's like someone calls you a racist, and then you're like in a crowd of people, they call you a racist, and then you go in the corner by yourself, and then they call another person race, and that person sort of comes in, and then suddenly the whole party is like with the people who've been called race.
00:10:42.000You know, that meme, and it's, I think that effect happens for pretty much everything now because canceled culture during the sort of peak of unchallenged wokeness, you know, I mean, it's sort of in tandem with this push against wokeness altogether.
00:10:56.000I mean, the fact is, like, it's not just Elon who's, you know, leading an anti-awokeness crusade, so to speak, Bill Ackman.
00:11:07.000You have Joe Rogan turning against it.
00:11:10.000You have Jerry Seinfeld turning against it.
00:11:12.000You know, the linchpin of what made wokeness powerful was the threat to cancel you if you didn't go along with the program.
00:11:19.000And I think back, you know, five, six, seven, eight years ago, it was one of those things where it really was the kiss of death to be canceled because it was a very small click of people who were canceled.
00:11:30.000But now, pretty much everybody who's lived through the Trump era and has and is still a Trump supporter is, you know, is in a party of canceled people.
00:11:40.000Everyone experienced, I think, what it felt like to be a Trump supporter and be canceled from something.
00:11:45.000Because if you're a Trump supporter, you are de facto a racist, a sexist, you know, homophobe, pick yourism.
00:11:54.000And so I think, you know, basically it got to be the point where when people started to get canceled, it was like, oh, cool, here's another person for the party.
00:12:01.000And I think that's what happened with Lomez.
00:12:03.000It's like, hey, cool, you're one of us.
00:12:13.000Like, oh, they're going after somebody new.
00:12:15.000And in this case, it really was something new because Lomez, I think he only had like 25,000 followers on Twitter, which is decent to say the least.
00:12:24.000But it's not like this was some huge, you know, millions of followers.
00:12:29.000It's not like Libs of TikTok when they went after her.
00:12:31.000But that's also a great example of this, of what I'm talking about as well, because when they went after Libs of TikTok and they doxed her, she only became 10 times more powerful than she originally was.
00:12:42.000Well, so a guy we all know, Darren Beattie, had a pretty good take on this on Twitter the other day, where he just points out like one of the most important things is there's kind of a herd immunity effect.
00:12:54.000If you're only cancellation, it's the sort of thing, if you're going to do it once, it's incredibly powerful where you just say, this one person is just not acceptable and shove them out.
00:13:04.000But they really started to do it a lot.
00:13:06.000They were doing it, you know, to several, like, I guess they did it to like dozens of people in 2020.
00:13:11.000And they've tried to keep doing it since.
00:13:13.000And it's just at the point where, you know, you look around and there's like 30 people who've been doxxed or canceled on the right.
00:13:21.000And so everyone just thinks, wait, is this actually a big deal anymore?
00:13:25.000And I think people are concluding it's not.
00:13:28.000And also, you just eventually needed the point where a few places would go, yeah, we're just going to ignore that.
00:13:33.000The more passes you've got on it, the more understanding there is on how to beat it.
00:13:38.000And it turns out that the best way to defeat any doxing attempt, there's basically two paths you can do.
00:13:43.000You can literally just laugh at them and laugh at the person attempting to do it.
00:13:47.000But one that works, and it especially works if they actually have, I don't want to say something valid, but like something that at least is like mildly bad looking for you is you just ignore it.
00:13:59.000Every, it's a lot like any other hostile news story.
00:14:03.000So much of the energy comes from trying to like push back or dispute something or argue with it.
00:14:09.000And that all that is is an excuse for them to write another article about it and then like repeat everything.
00:14:14.000So the way you beat it is you just pretend it didn't happen and you issue no comment.
00:14:22.000There was one that happened, I want to say earlier this year where it's like they dox and just every single person who they try to cite and it just says no comment.
00:14:35.000And so, yeah, it's like they hit up these like venture capitalists or like people who donated to his kept trying to get, they kept trying to get him canceled from various things.
00:14:45.000And everybody was just like, yeah, we only, the only place they succeeded with was the University of Austin, which was supposed to be like the anti-canceling upstart university thing.
00:15:16.000And we can show everybody what exactly it is that Blake or who exactly it is that Blake was just gushing over on his rate my professor page.
00:15:29.000And it's, it's, it's very interesting.
00:15:31.000Tyler, while they, while they pull that up, Tyler, I want to get your thoughts on this.
00:15:37.000Yeah, I mean, I are we pulling up the rate my professor page right now.
00:15:46.000Yeah, I mean, I just think doxing is stupid.
00:15:48.000And we were just talking about like this entire thing is like doxing and swatting are like the like they've got to be like the lamest things that you could possibly do.
00:15:58.000And it's all basically, it just to me, it's just like, it's, it's the equivalent of children just like tattletelling on people and like hoping that like your parent or someone else cares.
00:16:14.000And like, like you said, the best way to handle it is if you don't respond, if nobody responds to it, if everybody, nobody feeds into the fire.
00:16:21.000Or I mean, if you can resist, you can respond as long as like the response is to like you can't really engage with their moral framing of it.
00:16:30.000You have to have contempt for their moral framing.
00:16:33.000The libertarian economist Brian Kaplan, who I otherwise disagree with on a lot of issues, but one of the things he likes to point out whenever they do cancel stuff is he says, you should always ask yourself, is this worse than cheating on your wife and then leaving her and your children to like be with a side piece?
00:16:48.000Because people do that all of the time.
00:16:51.000Public people do that all of the time.
00:17:11.000But most people are like, yeah, whatever.
00:17:13.000At least accept that that happened or like we tolerate the existence of that.
00:17:17.000And then we turn around, or for that matter, we're supposed to be forgiving of people who sometimes have committed horrible crimes that have like named or even killed people.
00:17:26.000And then we have to turn around and they're like, Mr. Neff said a mean thing on the internet one time.
00:18:05.000Oh, I was just going to say the other thing is, I think everybody has a certain fear of being canceled themselves and is aware that when you throw other people under the bus, they will not come to your support when they, when it comes for you.
00:18:18.000So, there has been, I think Jack sort of referred to it as a kind of herd immunity, which is like, but I think that's part of that comes from the fact that when you see someone get canceled, I think it used to be the case when you didn't have that same fear.
00:18:29.000There was an instinct to kind of dog pile and virtue signal and get your sort of, you know, Pokemon points from the whole thing.
00:18:37.000But now I think the fear of having seen so many other people get swallowed up by it, you don't want to be a dog piler because then who is going to support you when the dog pile is on you?
00:18:46.000And there's kind of a similar thing with the censorship situation.
00:18:49.000You know, internet censorship really started, you know, against the kind of very fringe element in 2017, you know, the kind of section of the MAGA crowd that was very easy for the sort of mainstream Republican crowd to say, well, you know what?
00:19:03.000Censorship's not a great thing, but we can't defend these people.
00:19:07.000And then the next layer up, and then the next layer up, and then the next layer up.
00:19:11.000And then suddenly, you know, Marjorie Taylor Greene is getting censored and Ron and not Rand Paul is getting censored.
00:19:19.000And then the president of the United States is deplatforming.
00:19:22.000Free speech for everybody because, you know, what we're up against is such a monster that we all need to have each other's back, you know, even if we have internal disagreements to some extent.
00:19:32.000And I think that's sort of what's happened with the cancel culture thing.
00:19:35.000You know, another thing that's also good is, as you mentioned, the herd immunity, but it's also that at this point, we've had many cancellation attempts.
00:19:43.000And what each of those are is it's kind of an opportunity for every single person who's a bystander to kind of pass or fail a test.
00:19:51.000And so if you're on the right, you actually have a pretty good understanding now of who is trustworthy to stand by people when bad stuff happens to them and who has failed this.
00:20:01.000And over time, as a result of this, you have a stronger conservative movement because you're basically everyone is collectively selecting for who's not going to wuss out when things get hard.
00:20:12.000And so it's like Brotherhood of Steel or some stupid, cheesy-sounding analogy for this.
00:20:41.000Yeah, no, no, I just call it the Blake button.
00:20:43.000We just, we just give the delay on the show, but just for Blake.
00:20:47.000So this was this was set up after the lawyers reached out to us and said, look, Blake is involved in numerous indictments, ferret investigations.
00:20:56.000He's been working with the mob, the Mexican drug cartels.
00:20:59.000Apparently, Blake has been like selling fentanyl around the Turning Point Studios.
00:21:35.000But, well, and Benz, let me just put the last, the last question to you on the before we move to the next topic, which, you know, before we're completely canceled, is what is it?
00:21:50.000There's a direct connection between censorship and doxing, because usually the, you know, the way it all worked before Elon bought Twitter was someone got doxed, someone committed wrongthink, or as we would say around here, someone committed a thought crime, and then they would get suspended from Twitter and canceled from, you know, public society.
00:22:12.000They're trying to do the same thing to this NFL kicker for the Chiefs right now because he like gave a Catholic convocation speech at a Catholic university.
00:22:23.000And so the problem, though, is because the censorship has been shut down.
00:22:28.000And also, yeah, speaking of doxing, the Kansas City Twitter account, some employee, Rogue employee there actually tweeted out where he lives.
00:22:40.000you know, canceling, doxing leads to canceling, doxing can lead to swatting, which is something my family has experienced and a number of people in the movement have experienced because once they realize they can't censor you and they become impotent with their canceling attempts, they just try to move on to other means.
00:22:55.000So Benz, walk me through how it used to work and why they are becoming so desperate.
00:23:01.000Yeah, well, there used to be something called, well, it's still here, but it's called media escalation, which is the, which is the inbound email that a platform gets when there's been a hit piece on somebody.
00:23:12.000And the news, you know, the journalist, whether they're from the New York Times or the Washington Post or BuzzFeed or Politico, will not just sort of ask for comment from the target of the dox attack, but they would also send a concomitant email to YouTube if they had a YouTube account, to Facebook with their Facebook account, to Twitter for their Twitter account, and basically send a threatening email to them saying, do you know that you are hosting a person who's engaged in hate speech?
00:23:41.000And this is a major brand safety risk for you, don't you know?
00:23:44.000And don't you know advertisers are going to respond very poorly when they see this story?
00:23:48.000And this would be a media escalation that the inbound would run up the chain to the higher levels at those social media companies.
00:23:58.000And so it was a very effective tactic for actually achieving cancellation because it would go hand in glove with a kind of deplatforming because of the business interests of the platform in order to keep their advertisers who themselves were under the gun by various other forms of pressure.
00:24:14.000And that hand gesture that I was going to make earlier was one that Elon Musk made in a very powerful gesture when he basically formally eschewed that entire coercion process when he said GFY to advertisers and said, you know, we're going to basically build our own pirate ship through subscriptions and through other kinds of products and services like the premium and Grok and the other assets, frankly, that Elon has from his empire,
00:24:44.000but not being subservient to advertisers in a totalizing fashion and trying to diversify the business has actually, and the fact that he's willing to lose money on the platform in order to preserve free speech has made it so that Twitter is actually one of these places now that is pretty much rock solid when these in terms of your platform security,
00:25:05.000where that was not the case under the Jack Dorsey era, Jack Dorsey even said the whole reason he banned Trump was because of a business decision around how they were going to financially destroy the company unless he did.
00:25:16.000Also, I'm seeing some people in the chat, by the way, who are asking, and perhaps this is remiss of us for not saying, so there are people asking, what is doxing?
00:25:24.000And doxing has different layers, different definitions.
00:25:26.000I would say my tightest definition would be number one, taking something or someone who was anonymous on the internet and publishing their name.
00:25:37.000And then the next level of that is publishing their personal information.
00:25:40.000Would you guys add anything different to that?
00:25:43.000Yeah, it's like, I think the original use of it would be publishing just someone's home address for the purpose of like trying to harass them or annoy them.
00:25:51.000And then what you started to get during the cancel culture era was you would take someone who was anonymous, anonymous online and then publicize their identity for the sake of shaming them, getting them fired, getting them humiliated, all of that sort of thing.
00:26:07.000And then I feel like that's become the main purpose of it is just the stuff like this.
00:26:13.000We're like, we're going to show Lomez's identity so that we can try to ruin his life in some capacity, especially if there's no other justification for this other than just we want to blow this person up.
00:26:26.000And so that's kind of what it mostly refers to.
00:26:28.000I feel like you don't hear it used as much for just publishing someone's address.
00:26:32.000You do see that sometimes, I guess, with like when they were posting Brett Kavanaugh's address so that they could try to get him murdered.
00:26:39.000But that's about the only case I can think of.
00:26:42.000When I got doxxed, Human Turd and his turd-throwing wife, Eric Wempel of the Washington Post, showed up at the place where I lived.
00:26:50.000I wasn't there at the time, but which is probably for the best because I think if I'd been there, I probably would have like kicked him in the nuts or something.
00:27:19.000So that's like where I originally came from.
00:27:22.000But you can't get doxed if you dox yourself, which is what I live by, which everyone's like, why do you put so much personal information on the internet?
00:27:29.000I'm like, because we have a constitutional carry state here in Arizona.
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00:29:24.000And I'm going to send this over to Mike Benz because, so did Franz Ferdinand just happen again?
00:29:32.000Because we just had an assassination attempt in Slovakia.
00:29:37.000Franz Ferdinand, for people who don't know, is the assassination in Sarajovo, where the heir to the, or I should say the heir apparent to the Austro-Hungarian Empire was killed.
00:29:47.000This set off a chain reaction that we refer to as World War I. Eastern Europe, of course, is the birthplace of both world wars.
00:29:57.000So World War II kicks off in Poland, 1939.
00:29:59.000And so my question, Benz, is World War III going to kick off in Slovakia?
00:30:06.000He did survive the assassination attempt.
00:30:09.000You know, it looks like when the dust has settled, it'll probably be closer to a sort of Bolsonaro situation when he was stabbed while attending an event in 2018, 2019.
00:30:22.000And I think that in this case, it does look like he's likely to make a recovery from what I'm seeing, although that will, I guess, remains to be seen.
00:30:30.000But there's a bigger picture here of who done it and why.
00:30:37.000And I have been fascinated by Slovakia for some time because it's one of these V4, Visigrad for countries, which is very critical for the foreign policy establishment's control over as a buttress to Ukraine and as a key puzzle piece in the grand Ukraine energy play.
00:30:59.000The grand Ukraine energy play is basically this move by NATO energy stakeholders and the whole Atlanta Council, Atlantis' foreign policy set to make basically a trillion dollars in windfall profits by prying off the natural gas market of Europe,
00:31:19.000which until about 20 years ago was 100% controlled by Russia, which made Gazprom the single largest company in the entire world in 2005, 2006.
00:31:30.000And then through State Department coerced European energy diversification policies, because Russia has the cheapest gas and the most plentiful, and otherwise you have to buy more expensive Western LNG.
00:31:42.000There's been a big part of the move here and a big part of the Ukraine coup in 2014 was to pry Russian gas off of Europe and replace it with gas coming from the west of Ukraine rather than the east.
00:31:58.000And a central part of that linchpin plan has been the resupply.
00:32:03.000See, Ukraine has played such a vital role in the gas market, not because of all the gas that's in Ukraine, but because of the gas transit from Ukraine into Europe from Russia.
00:32:15.000There's legacy architecture that dates back 100 years.
00:32:22.000That's why there's 15 to 30-year contracts on these things.
00:32:25.000And so the ideal situation is you cut off the Russian gas from the east and you simply have a new entry point from the gas, but you keep all of that legacy architecture that goes all the way out to Rotterdam.
00:32:40.000And the way that they have plotted to do that is through primarily through Poland.
00:32:45.000Poland has this vast new set of gas architecture that can take LNG coming in from the Baltic Sea and then connect through terminals from Poland into Ukraine.
00:32:57.000And this is why the political leadership of Poland has been such an important thing for NATO to control.
00:33:02.000And as we just saw with this, with what just happened there a few months ago.
00:33:06.000But Poland's ports themselves run through Slovakia.
00:33:10.000Now, this is very important because Slovakia has been on the edge for some time now.
00:33:17.000The near-assassinated president there, Robert Fico, has pledged to not go through with their gas contracts with Russia.
00:33:31.000They have one set ending in 2024 and another set ending in 2027.
00:33:35.000Then they pledge to restore those gas contracts with Russia and not cooperate with the desired sanctions of the EU.
00:33:43.000They are also putting pressure on Ukraine to restore gas relations with Russia.
00:33:49.000Both Hungary and Slovakia are having conversations about having Ukraine restore some limited amount of engagement with the Ukrainian gas market.
00:33:59.000This new president has basically rejected the NATO line on the Ukraine-Russia war.
00:34:05.000And because of the leverage they have over the EU and NATO, because the whole Grand Ukraine energy play, the whole trillion-dollar play to run LNG through Poland into Ukraine runs through Slovakia.
00:34:18.000If this new prime minister decides, hey, you know what, actually, Ghost, you're going to put sanctions on us if we don't go along with your war or you're going to, you're going to, we have a trump card over you, which is that goodbye to the gas transit to Ukraine, which by the way, is all of Ukraine's national revenue, essentially, because in order for that gas to go from Poland to Ukraine, you need to go through us.
00:34:43.000And so because of that, there has been an incredible amount of NATO and CIA and Soros malfeasance to use the rental riots, to use the whole regime change blob architecture to try to regime change FICO's leadership.
00:35:01.000Now, this has happened in tandem with FICO trying to establish, to trying to root out the NGOs from the blob that are similar to as they were in Belarus.
00:35:11.000You guys remember that famous clip of Alexander Lukashenko talking to, I think, a BBC reporter where he says, we've removed all your little structures.
00:35:19.000You know, when he's asked why there's no free speech in Belarus and Lukashenko's saying, that's not free speech.
00:35:24.000Those were CIA proprietaries, essentially.
00:35:30.000You know, this is not a free speech issue.
00:35:32.000We've simply, this is a counterintelligence issue.
00:35:34.000Well, that's the same thing in Slovakia.
00:35:36.000Slovakia has been totally controlled as a NATO vassal state until the past few years when basically they've been pushed to the brink and this new president rode in on a populist outrage over that NATO vassalage.
00:35:51.000And so, you know, what they've done now is three months before this, actually, these NATO rental riots, just like in Georgia, were taken to the streets because of a new law that was essentially kind of like a FARA law, which basically said that foreign-owned media in the country would not be allowed on state radio or public broadcasting on TV.
00:36:15.000All the opposition media in the country was being backed by the CIA by way of the National Endowment for Democracy.
00:36:21.000So it was an astroturf opposition movement the entire time.
00:36:25.000But that is their stool to be able to twist the judiciary.
00:36:28.000Oh, the other thing is they had a special prosecutor probe to try to Robert Mueller or Jack Smith Robert Fico out of office.
00:36:37.000And FICO has just recently gestured that he's going to end that special prosecutor probe.
00:36:41.000So now they're trying to, so they did another set of rental riots there to try to basically argue that, oh, rule of law, rule of law in Slovakia is overturned because now we might not be able to throw him in jail like we threw Imran Khan in jail or Donald Trump in jail.
00:37:00.000So that's for the Slovakian people to decide.
00:37:03.000So for folks who are watching and/or anyone's listening back on the podcast side on the audio, Slovakia, we've got the map up right now, just south of Poland, just north of Hungary.
00:37:31.000Blake, you know, we've seen the situation.
00:37:34.000Benz has talked about how this is a guy who's definitely a huge thorn in the side of NATO, Collective West, all of that.
00:37:42.000You know, sort of a, you know, he's definitely an Orban type.
00:37:46.000You know, as we say, we know that the guy who did this was like a 71-year-old, like ultra-lib in Slovakia, definitely one of these like anti-Putin, NAFO types.
00:37:56.000But I'll put it this way, rather than get into whether or not he was actually working on CIA orders, I guess my bigger question, the thought crime is like, do you think this is something that could spiral the neighborhood into a wider war?
00:38:11.000I mean, it's a classic case of why all of this is so ridiculous, where you have NATO, an alliance that was created for the security of the West.
00:38:22.000So it's the U.S. and our crucial post-World War II allies to contain an aggressive foreign ideology of international communism, which is the Soviet Union and its satellite states.
00:38:34.000And then after the Cold War ends, we just decide to add every random country in the world into NATO.
00:38:41.000And that, you know, there might have been, there was some justification for that.
00:38:45.000But now it's clearly become, it's become a means to, instead of protect the U.S. and keep us at peace, it's become a thing that just sucks us into like, it just sucks us into these dumb things.
00:39:30.000I'm sure there's a lot of great things about it.
00:39:33.000But objectively speaking, America should not have to care about Slovakia.
00:39:39.000There should not be any crisis if whatever opinion Slovakia's leader has on any international issue, because this country has half the population of Los Angeles County, and it probably has the same GDP as like the Des Moines metropolitan area or something.
00:40:13.000Yeah, just run like a Google image search.
00:40:15.000Just run a Google image search for the Slovakia-Poland pipeline.
00:40:20.000This was actually first, the idea for it actually came right before the Maidan Square kicked off.
00:40:29.000This is in 2013, right ahead of the 2014 coup, as they were planning the resupply of the gas market in Ukraine and were simultaneously setting up the Poland LNG operation and the connective terminal through Slovakia.
00:40:53.000So it's brand new and it is the linchpin of this grand Ukraine energy play using Poland and the new cooperative government in Poland.
00:41:02.000Because if you remember, before the turnover in the Poland government just recently, the Law and Order Party was expressing their dissatisfaction with the direction of NATO's line on Ukraine.
00:41:13.000So conveniently, they topple that government and now they are working to topple the Slovakia government so that they have total control over the gas architecture.
00:41:23.000Now, Mitt Romney actually just came out, I think, earlier today and made a statement against America First and isolationism, as he calls it, because the American economy is mostly based on our affairs internationally.
00:41:54.000And so it's so the point that I'm trying to make here with the with the pipeline is that it's not about control over the four or five million people who live there.
00:42:03.000You know, Ukraine itself is the lowest GDP in all of Europe, you know, even before the war started.
00:42:13.000It's because it's just about the physics of how a gas pipeline works.
00:42:17.000You need to control the transit points in order to control the market.
00:42:21.000And I would suggest that NATO was not necessarily constructed for the security of the Western world.
00:42:29.000I would argue that it was set up for the, you know, to secure and safeguard the commercial interests that ride on the military battering arm of the transatlantic defense establishment.
00:42:42.000Just like the CIA does not primarily to service national security.
00:42:47.000Or look at the National Endowment for Democracy.
00:42:49.000The CIA's number one cutout, who's behind what's happening in Slovakia right now.
00:42:53.000You know who's on the board of the National Endowment for Democracy, which gets a half a billion dollars every year in congressional funding and was set up by CIA Director Bill Colby as an explicit, as an explicit CIA pass-through to try to reestablish the CIA conduits that they had in the 1960s.
00:43:12.000On the board of the National Endowment for Democracy are representatives from Chevron, Exxon, Google, Microsoft, McDonald's, Walmart.
00:43:23.000It's the corporate stakeholders who, you know, because you don't make your money at the CIA or at the DOD, you know, as a GS17 making $175,000 a year.
00:43:36.000You make your money on the board seats of the corporations that you were good little boys for while you were in charge of the State Department desk there, or the DOD operations that were carving up their markets, or the CIA operations that were regime changing governments so that you could have a favorable labor policy or tax policy or regulatory environment for the corporations there.
00:43:55.000That's kind of the level of the food chain above this.
00:43:58.000And so what we're doing in Slovakia is what we're doing on every corner of the globe.
00:44:04.000It's what we're doing in Namibia and Uganda and Turkmenistan.
00:44:09.000There's no plot of dirt on God's green earth that doesn't have some exploitable natural resource.
00:44:15.000And that same blob apparatus to be able to run black ops dirty tricks to control is now what we're seeing in our own domestic politics with it being turned against us, the citizens.
00:44:27.000So basically what you're saying is if some place has got oil or access to oil, then they need some freedom real fast.
00:44:35.000By the way, this is the same issue with why people always ask me about why does China care about the Uyghurs so much?
00:44:48.000And this is exactly where they want to build that Pakistan economic corridor across the actually Kashmir region, which I know Blake has been talking about recently, across from Xinjiang so they can get all the way down to the port of Chabahar and then eventually get into Iran, eventually get into the Persian Gulf.
00:45:58.000Tyler's literally lived in the Donbass, folks.
00:46:00.000Well, and I lived, I lived in Tuopsay and Novro Sisk, where those areas are two of the largest ports where so much of all the oil moguls and quite a few Americans that were doing business with the big companies were there.
00:46:19.000And it's, and this is, this is a big, a big deal.
00:46:23.000And I spent actually some time, I think we talked about this before in Romania with a senator in the Romanian parliament who was there.
00:46:31.000And kind of just funny story: when we were there traveling around, he was the minister of oil and gas.
00:46:38.000And we would go around to all these different refineries and talk to so many different people.
00:46:43.000And this guy had a bulletproof bins, and we were going through all the country.
00:46:47.000All these people had Romanian last names, but they were actually Russians.
00:46:53.000So just, you know, receiving and passing around and making sure that the entire business was protected throughout much of Central Europe.
00:47:02.000And so, you know, there's a lot of complication that exists.
00:47:06.000And I'm afraid that we're, you know, to say that our American understanding of how this business operates is that we're in over our skis.
00:47:17.000And for the average American to really understand what we're up against is not saying a whole lot.
00:47:24.000Yeah, I think it comes back to what Blake said.
00:47:45.000This one, Blake, and we'll have Tyler get into it a little bit more.
00:47:49.000And then Benz, you and I can chime in.
00:47:51.000Politico Mag had a really interesting article that came out a couple of days ago talking about, and this is directly tied into something that we've all been working here.
00:48:01.000We talked about on the program a few weeks ago regarding what if the Electoral College ends in a tie and what does that mean for our republic going forward?
00:48:17.000So first, I just want to set the stage because we've talked about this a lot when we've covered Operation Cornhusker, as I recall it, which is where we've discussed trying to get Nebraska to change to winner-take-all.
00:48:27.000And the reason it's been important for us to work on that is if you look at an electoral college map, in fact, here, we'll just bring it up just to remind people if they have forgotten or if they haven't seen it.
00:48:38.000Let me just go to 2702win.com, highly addictive website, highly recommended for everyone who loves to do nerdy election stuff.
00:49:21.000But if you make Nebraska winner-take-all, so that Trump is going to win the state, of course, then you have a 269-269 tie.
00:49:28.000So we've discussed this, but to remind everyone, if you have a 269-all tie in the Electoral College or any Electoral College result where no one gets a majority, so you could get the most, but not be a majority.
00:49:58.000So every state's House delegation gets one equal vote.
00:50:01.000So the one representative from Wyoming, who I forget the name of, gets the same amount of voting power as all 52 of California's representatives.
00:52:29.000Henry Clay cuts a deal where his electoral votes support John Quincy Adams.
00:52:34.000So John Quincy Adams becomes president.
00:52:37.000And Andrew Jackson, who I will say is very much like a Trump-esque figure for this time, my favorite fact related to that is Andrew Jackson would write letters to his friends where he would just vent about how terrible the government was.
00:52:50.000And then these letters would get published in the newspapers and they were basically exactly like Trump tweets.
00:52:55.000People would even say like, oh, Andrew Jackson, he can't spell right.
00:53:03.000Anyway, he points out that the backlash, the political backlash to this at the time was immense, that Jackson had gotten the most votes, probably had the most overall popular support, but he doesn't become president.
00:53:13.000One thing this does is it causes there to be a big switch to popular vote for picking the electors of each state.
00:53:20.000Four years later, John Quincy Adams isn't a super popular president and Jackson annihilates him, is a two-term president, and he kind of is one of the first big revisions of American political life.
00:53:30.000So, what this article in Politico says could happen is it says, yeah, you know, maybe Trump will be able to win the presidency by, he's like, fast forward 200 years, and America is arguably at a precipice.
00:53:45.000On two occasions over the past 25 years, Republicans have lost the popular vote only to win in the Electoral College, where small population states enjoy an advantage.
00:53:55.000Now, Republicans could lose the popular vote again.
00:53:59.000having won it only once in the past 32 plus years, and then may try to engineer a Trump win in the House.
00:54:05.000But by playing the inside game and using a vote in the House, Republicans could perpetuate their power, but a democratic system that is no longer responsive to we cannot put enough quotation marks around this.
00:54:19.000The will of the majority could break and create unintended consequences.
00:54:26.000This could be a watershed year for American, we need to put more quotes around this, democracy, long stalled political reforms from introducing Supreme Court term limits to abolishing the Electoral College, could finally sail through a top a wave.
00:55:14.000And they'll just get crazy about this.
00:55:18.000Blake, this is exactly what the Transition Integrity Project already plotted.
00:55:22.000What you just said, a totally astroturfed, you know, in June 2020, a bunch of military intelligence and political folks who were all never Trump with Chom Podessa role-playing Joe Biden and Bill Crystal and Michael Steele jointly role-playing Donald Trump simulated how to get Trump in, how to get Biden into office if Trump won the Electoral College.
00:55:50.000And then there's so many different articles that are just very quietly paving the way for it's like little Democrats just kind of nudging you on the arm saying, you know, we got to be ready.
00:56:01.000One of my favorites, The Atlantic in 2021 had an article, Kamala Harris might need to stop the steal.
00:56:09.000And this was looking ahead to 2024, basically saying, you know, all that stuff that was definitely illegal for Mike Pence to do to keep Trump in office.
00:56:17.000Yeah, Kamala Harris might have to do that, you know, to stop the steal.
00:57:10.000I was just going to say, I love watching the meltdown when you explain to someone that just say, I like just rolling the grenade into the conversation, just saying, hey, did you know that the president isn't elected democratically?
00:57:46.000Well, I threw out, you know, I made a comment about, you know, democracy at CPAC and that that became like the number one trending topic in the entire mainstream media.
00:59:57.000I mean, you are looking at a very real situation.
01:00:01.000And this starts to spark the conversation about 14th Amendment stuff and what are the Democrats going to try to pull out.
01:00:09.000They've been going after, I think they've gone after the whole Electoral College, the Elector stuff.
01:00:15.000I can't talk too much about that, being somewhat in the middle of all this in Arizona.
01:00:21.000But I think they've gone after this specifically to try to destroy the Electoral College.
01:00:27.000I think they're trying to use that to enrage normal Americans on something that's obviously been in their life their entire life, whether or not most Americans realize it or not.
01:00:40.000And that's a real concern when you layer that on top of the Supreme Court conversations, on top of the ranked choice voting conversations.
01:00:51.000And I think they just want to get national popular vote done because it would be almost impossible to get rid of the Electoral College constitutionally.
01:00:59.000I mean, so just to bring this up, I want to give Mike another chance, but you mentioned that the Interstate Popular Vote Compact is this thing they've considered.
01:01:10.000And we call it, and by just the loose slang is national popular vote, is what people call it.
01:01:15.000So the idea is they think they can kind of execute this scheme.
01:01:19.000So the Constitution says you have to do the Electoral College, but it doesn't get rid of it.
01:01:24.000It doesn't say how you have to award your electoral votes.
01:01:27.000Well, since we're on the topic, too, to get rid of the electors, it would require a vote of two-thirds of Congress, both chambers, plus three-quarters of the states to change it.
01:01:37.000So the shortcut they try to take is they're passing this thing called the interstate, the National Popular Vote Compact.
01:01:43.000And what it is, is these states pass identical bills that say we will award our electoral votes to whoever wins a national popular vote only once a total, a majority of electoral states have, or a majority of electoral votes nationwide have passed this same thing.
01:02:02.000So the idea is you get 270 total electoral votes to pass this law, and then it triggers.
01:02:08.000Now, right now, this is the law with 209 total electoral votes.
01:02:30.000Like we'll get the electoral vote there.
01:02:32.000But so you could just do the math where, you know, they control, if they got, if they got Virginia back under control, they could pass it there.
01:02:40.000I think, do they have full control in Michigan right now?
01:02:43.000So like Michigan could theoretically pass this.
01:02:45.000And so what you'd really just need is you'd need one wave election where Democrats control a red state at the state level.
01:03:15.000But they definitely have a plan to just blow this up.
01:03:18.000But we've been away from Mike for a while.
01:03:20.000So let's, do you have any thoughts on this, Mike?
01:03:23.000Yeah, I think it's instructive that it was such a big part of the Transition Integrity Project blueprint and that they even contemplated deploying Black Lives Matter street muscle and what kind of favors that the Biden campaign and other stakeholders would need to do to curry favor with the Black Lives Matter street muscle in order to support a call to take to the streets to abolish the Electoral College.
01:03:46.000I mean, they, they, I mean, and this did not just come from like random people.
01:03:49.000This came from this came from John Podesta and Bill Crystal and Michael Steele, the former head of the Republican Party, Donna Brazil, the former head of the Democrat Party, as well as a slew of military generals and intelligence folks like Rosa Brooks, who herself was Under Secretary for Defense and was also had a CIA blue badge and teaches courses at Georgetown on how to overthrow governments.
01:04:15.000It's how to overthrow a government and install a pliant vassal state in the name of democracy.
01:04:21.000So these are professional regime change artists who have a license to do dirty tricks abroad, who were plotting out in the open how to orchestrate an operation in order to through dirty tricks.
01:04:33.000And part of that included threatening secession of the Western states, getting, but, you know, basically bringing the, and as they do in a color revolution, having these street protests and organized shutdown of the entire national infrastructure, the highways, the federal buildings, the AFL-CIO would do mass worker strikes to bring the country to a halt until the electoral college reform was passed.
01:04:58.000And so this is what you're saying that this, sorry, I think I was asking the same question though, but are you saying this is what we could see if this scenario kicks off?
01:05:10.000If they feel that that is what is necessary to win the election, I would be shocked if it doesn't, if you don't see this exact thing.
01:05:18.000I'm actually a little bit surprised that this has not been memed with greater intensity over the past several months.
01:05:25.000If you remember, it was a very high intensity thing to abolish the Electoral College around this time last year.
01:05:32.000And in the immediate aftermath of the 2016 election, when Norm Eisen was going around and securing something like 15 to 30 different votes to not certify the election of 2016.
01:05:43.000And, you know, so I'm a little bit surprised.
01:05:46.000I don't know if it's because the journal bots are all focused on the Trump trials and things like that, that they have not taken the time to set the table about what a threat to democracy, democracy is in the form of the Electoral College.
01:06:03.000But I do expect that to uptick, especially if they're serious about this.
01:06:07.000And I want to add in just real quick too, and this is the real danger, too, because we have a lot of states that are red states that have voter initiative, very loose voter initiative laws that allow the voters to send something to the ballot that effectively changes permanently the constitution of their state.
01:06:24.000And this is an issue that's been a really huge issue in Arizona.
01:06:27.000Part of the reason why Arizona is where it's at today as being competitive even is because of our very loose voter and voter referendum, voter initiative laws.
01:07:03.000And they have loose openings still with Texas, who they, you know, Democrats believe that Texas has, they have a real opportunity to capture Texas long term.
01:07:13.000As soon as Houston becomes unmanageable for Republicans and conservatives and, you know, Austin and other places in Dallas, parts of Dallas.
01:07:21.000And so, you know, they're kind of biding their time.
01:07:24.000This is a long-term strategy that they know they're going to be able to knock off.
01:07:30.000You know, once this is done and once this is in the constitutions of these states, this is a massive and really it becomes a constitutional, you know, this is why the Supreme Court matters so much and protecting the Supreme Court and winning this election.
01:07:43.000An underappreciated thing I do like is if we go to this national popular vote, this back doorway, we would be going to a national popular vote without having an actual centralized like federal definition of, for example, who can vote.
01:08:00.000So it's crazy because to take over the city.
01:08:03.000It is, but it's get even wackier than this.
01:08:06.000What if you say parents can vote for their kids?
01:08:08.000Or this would be my favorite troll if you did this.
01:08:11.000They pass this and then you just wait to the last minute again.
01:08:14.000And then you have Alabama or some red state come out and they say, everyone in our state gets to vote a thousand times and it's a full vote.
01:08:23.000You get a thousand votes and you can distribute them however you want, but it's a thousand votes.
01:08:26.000And you just get to vote however you want for all these candidates.
01:08:29.000So you can give 800 votes to Trump and 200 to Biden if you know, you're just sort of split between or you can go all a thousand or you can just say, only I only have like a hundred votes I want to give out.
01:09:07.000So even with like ranked choice voting, where you actually vote multiple times in a row for, you know, through different processes, they've identified it as, so that, because that's a big question.
01:09:18.000It's like, well, what if you implement ranked choice voting for presidential?
01:09:22.000And the argument is you can't, you know, because of the Electoral College.
01:09:26.000And so that's, they could, they could arguably do it for everything except for federal office because of how the Constitution is written.
01:09:32.000But this is, this is, you know, we start getting into all these wonky things.
01:09:36.000And this is where, you know, it's really simple.
01:09:39.000You know, not, this is not complicated.
01:09:41.000What the left has done to try to eradicate basic, well-known, well-understood methods of civic engagement, which is voting, you know, learning how to run for office, do these things.
01:09:55.000They've made it in the last five years so complex, so confusing, intentionally, that average people who don't know, already don't know anything about the Electoral College now are even more flustered because there's all these different things happening between technology and now processes.
01:10:14.000Right, we know that's the intent, we know that's what's written we we're, we've seen what they've, they've tried to do.
01:10:19.000That's the playbook and that is the destruction of America.
01:10:22.000And we're not doing a good enough job at framing that conversation as conservatives, because we are losing our country right from underneath us on that issue.
01:10:30.000Well, I have a way potentially, for us to frame things a little better as conservatives, because we're all going to be hosting a get-together Tyler, in fact, is going to be hosting it in this june 14th to 16th Detroit, Michigan Du Trois.
01:10:51.000Everybody's got to go and get this Tbaction.com slash peoples plural with an s.
01:10:56.000We've got, of course, president Donald J Trump leading things up, Vigorouswami dr Ben Carson, Steve Bannon, Donald Trump Jr, Charlie Kirk Tulsi Gabbard Christy Noam Candis Owens, Laura Trump myself, senator Rick Scott, Benny Johnson, Bishop already shines Kimberly Guilfoy, congressman Lee Zeldon, congressman Matt Gates, Brandon Tatum, congressman Eli Creen and congressman Eric Brillison.
01:11:19.000I believe Roger Stone is also going to be there.
01:11:21.000I'm going to be doing my book launch of Unhumans at this thing.
01:12:24.000So it's gonna be a lot of fun, some tricks up our sleeve and the speech of the century from the president type, i'm thinking.
01:12:31.000I'm thinking we might need, if he's available, a certain, a certain executive director of the Foundation FOR Freedom Online, maybe special vip.
01:13:19.000So, speaking of Democrats and liberals breaking rules, Blake, I'm going to have to ask you to bring up our final topic of the evening.
01:13:27.000Okay, we're going to have a quick blitz.
01:13:29.000We're going to be reacting to like three pretty brisk things here, but it's important that we be able to react to all of them.
01:13:34.000So, first of all, we want to warn you, this is not, you're going to think this is a story you heard from a month ago, but it's actually not.
01:13:57.000Yeah, if you've got kids watching right now, yeah, get them out of here.
01:14:02.000So, mercifully, there's no sound here, but I don't think it leaves too much to the imagination.
01:14:05.000That is German politician Martin Neumeier.
01:14:09.000He's a member of the Free Democrat Party.
01:14:12.000They're not the same thing as the Democrat Party of the United States, but you know, spiritually, they live a lot.
01:14:19.000So, what he's doing is he's licking a toilet brush there and looking at toilet.
01:14:23.000He's very into various toilet-related adventures.
01:14:27.000That is a political candidate in the country of Germany, which is funny by itself, but it's extra funny because a socialist politician in Spain, not even a month ago, was caught with his own.
01:14:40.000He was like making videos of himself eating a certain bodily excretion.
01:14:48.000And so, you know, was this the same guy that was covered in Feces 2?
01:14:53.000This one, this guy was making himself beards of like we did it, boys.
01:15:22.000I mean, and again, I hate being, you know, there's lots of things that we can be extraordinarily condescending to Americans about, but Europeans and public bathrooms, they have, I mean, these are the worst, the worst.
01:18:59.000You know, my experience watching that ad was like, oh yeah, I remember gay and lesbian.
01:19:05.000Like the transgender stuff has like the artificial monstrosity castration of children thing has like so dominated the front, you know, kind of like what the identity of the queer movement is for since gay and lesbian have been accepted for so long now in terms of where the battleground is in the in the culture wars.
01:19:29.000Like everything has moved into the transgender thing.
01:19:31.000I don't even remember the last time that I met a red-blooded lesbian, so to speak.
01:19:36.000It seems like the transgender market has almost eaten into the traditional just kind of gay market because now there's just such a big move into the trans thing, which is the farthest thing from the natural habitat of the savannah.
01:19:53.000I mean, this is like artificial, you know, mad scientist stuff.
01:19:57.000So, you know, I actually am not sure that that piece of propaganda is going to serve its intended purpose.
01:21:14.000Yeah, you know, and a lot of this is connected to the other identity issues.
01:21:17.000You know, the fact is, is, I mean, you see so much of what's happening right now with the, you know, the kind of privileged Pokemon point thing and the need to sort of evade the identity of being, you know, a sort of heteronormative or a sort of white, you know, anything that gets you farther from the identity of the disadvantaged groups.
01:21:55.000You are now qualify for all the different government grants and programs that are only accessible to you if you have, if you have something, some flavor to you that allows you to access, you know, privilege in the actual sense of that.
01:22:11.000And so I think that she's not necessarily entirely wrong with like everything's moving to that direction now because this is it.
01:22:17.000This is in the schools at so young an age.
01:22:19.000And people, as they're developing their identity, know who the good guys and the bad guys are, so to speak, from everything that they are indoctrinated to read.
01:22:27.000And so they're rushing to be one of the good guys to like join some sort of queer thing.
01:22:31.000That's actually what I think is behind bisexuality at such a high rate, according to these things.
01:22:36.000I think a lot of straight people are basically saying, well, you know what?
01:22:39.000I'm kind of bi, I guess, just so they don't need to necessarily lop off their private parts, but they can still get some of those Pokemon points.
01:22:47.000I just feel like, especially that page, the video, I just like, one, it's fun to imagine taking that video even 30 years ago and saying like, this is the future.
01:22:59.000And this, but I also just feel like in 30 years or so, like, we'll look back and this will be one of those videos like they take it out of context and they'll just say, yeah, so there was like a 10-year period a long time ago where everyone was gay and they were all super crazy.
01:23:30.000Well, the thing, the thing as well about Ellen Page is that in when he, her, I don't even remember what I'm supposed to say anymore, whatever.
01:23:38.000But when she put out that book, Page Boy, does everybody remember this?
01:24:13.000Like something horrifically traumatic happens to you.
01:24:16.000And that's initially what these therapists start, you know, start saying is, you know, what you should do is something that's potentially even more physically and mentally traumatic than the thing that already happened to you, as if that's going to help you out.
01:24:29.000And I look, I'm sorry, you know, I was joking about it before, but we've seen some of the pictures, we've seen some of the images.
01:24:35.000This is obviously someone who is not well.
01:24:37.000This is someone who's not well mentally.
01:24:39.000This is someone who's not clearly not well physically, not well spiritually.
01:24:43.000And of course, someone who went through a lot and somehow the answer of that is like, oh, you should go and perform non, you know, non-adjustable permanent surgery to yourself.
01:24:57.000And in Peru, yeah, producer, producer Andrew's in the chat in Peru, they just declared this a mental illness.
01:25:04.000Though I'm told that the leader of Peru is kind of a leftist to begin with.
01:26:47.000It's this is this is Vigo the destroyer.
01:26:49.000Like this is the uh, you know, the royal aristocrat caked in goo coming out of the painting, you know, and this, and it kind of is if you think about it.
01:27:01.000There are thousands of pictures of like European royals and European royal families going back, you know, hundreds of years that have been preserved for like over the centuries.
01:27:13.000It's like, it's like, you know, he's either on the throne or they're like, they're out hunting with the, with the, you know, the hound dogs and they're chasing a fox or something.
01:27:21.000It's like a nice classical portrait or whatever.
01:27:24.000No, this, it's like, it's like, no, I'm sorry.
01:27:27.000Like, I, I, you know, the British royal family and all the stuff they say, you know, I don't know.
01:28:20.000So Ben's Blake is pretty anti-conscious.
01:28:23.000It's a better than the Obama conspiracies, but then you say something like this and it's just like it's better than the Obama painting with the leaves.
01:30:16.000And there's like there's a part of his sleeve that's like colored differently, and the outline of what's colored differently.
01:30:21.000I don't even want to describe for people because we're already in trouble for what we've covered here.
01:30:26.000But, yeah, so I would at least say I'll take King Charles's portrait over this.
01:30:31.000So, we're still, we're losing the portrait battle to the UK, even with the new King Charles painting.
01:30:37.000So, do you think this is like, this is like, let's go, let's go full conspiracy theorist now.
01:30:41.000So, this is like, this is like the Illuminati signaling the Freemasons, you know, in the great overstate war that's going on.
01:30:49.000You know, there's, there's, there's different symbols in this that we can't perceive, but it's, it's clearly, it's clearly something that's going back and forth.
01:30:58.000Yeah, or it's like a thought piece thing, you know, like a Janet Jackson pop a nipple out kind of thing.
01:31:02.000It's like, ooh, look, see, this thing's a little funky.