The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 45 — Is Doxxing Dead? Poo-Loving Libs? A 2024 Tie?

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00:02:43.000 Charlie is on assignment, but we've got a really strong show.

00:02:49.000 We've also got a very special guest, but we're going to save that for last.

00:02:54.000 I'm here in Washington, D.C., but over in Phoenix, we've got our illustrious co-host, Mr. Blake Neft.

00:03:00.000 What's up, Blake?

00:03:01.000 Hello.

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00:03:10.000 But of course, the day has already come for our other co-host in Phoenix, Tyler Boyer.

00:03:14.000 What's up, Tyler?

00:03:14.000 What's up, guys?

00:03:15.000 How are we doing?

00:03:17.000 Yo, that hat is awesome.

00:03:18.000 Where'd you get that?

00:03:20.000 This is actually, oh man, you put me on the spot.

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00:03:24.000 Is that an official hat?

00:03:25.000 You wore the hat.

00:03:26.000 No, no, this is definitely not official.

00:03:29.000 I think this is Chad's.

00:03:30.000 Is that the brand?

00:03:32.000 Okay.

00:03:33.000 I don't know my hat.

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00:03:39.000 I think it's two A's, Chad.

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00:03:48.000 And we do have a very special guest before we get into our thought crimes, ladies and gentlemen, all the way from Parts Unknown.

00:03:54.000 Mr. Mike Benz.

00:03:55.000 Mike Benz Cyber.

00:03:56.000 What's up, brother?

00:03:57.000 How you guys doing?

00:03:58.000 Great to see you, Nike.

00:03:59.000 Yeah, I'm just kidding me.

00:04:00.000 It's pretty obviously like Miami area, but you know, like Benz is like the least optech aware of all of us in an underground.

00:04:10.000 Oh, yeah, we're trying to specific the Atlantic ocean.

00:04:12.000 Yeah, you would probably like there have been times where drone strikes have been called in just because like somebody posted a picture from a balcony, just saying, you know, maybe someone will send me a love letter, you know, in a drone.

00:04:26.000 That's what I'm waiting for.

00:04:27.000 Yeah, he's the guy.

00:04:28.000 Mike, for people, these opening sound effects, you know, we have like if they want to get you, they'll get you.

00:04:34.000 They're basically saying that about Mike Benz.

00:04:38.000 Benz, for people who don't know, introduce yourself real quick.

00:04:42.000 Hey, what's up?

00:04:43.000 I'm Mike.

00:04:44.000 I run the Foundation for Freedom Online.

00:04:47.000 My mission in life is to restore the promise of a free and open internet.

00:04:51.000 And, you know, I'm setting free speech free.

00:04:55.000 So I'm here to serve that mission.

00:04:58.000 And for all of our Rumble followers, I think Mike Benz will be no stranger to you guys.

00:04:58.000 We love it.

00:05:03.000 So I want to get into our first topic.

00:05:06.000 Blake, do you have a rundown on this?

00:05:08.000 It's called The Death of Doxing.

00:05:10.000 Yes. 1.00

00:05:10.000 We have a good topic to open with this week. 1.00

00:05:10.000 All right. 1.00

00:05:12.000 It's not bad news.

00:05:13.000 It's good news.

00:05:14.000 So doxing has hurt many people, including myself, in a rather dramatic way.

00:05:20.000 Blake, do you know anything about doxing?

00:05:22.000 Exactly.

00:05:23.000 But so they tried to pull another one on us this week, and it failed really comically hard.

00:05:32.000 The target of this doxing attempt was a guy on Twitter who goes by the nom de guerre Lomez.

00:05:38.000 And he got doxed by Jason Wilson of The Guardian for being the head of Passage Press.

00:05:46.000 That's a new publication house.

00:05:48.000 They publish new editions of some old books by kind of just prominent, like old, like reactionary, conservative writers of various strands.

00:06:00.000 And then they also do some new books.

00:06:02.000 They notably put out the collection of Steve Saylor's writings called Noticing.

00:06:06.000 And they've got some other books coming out in the near future.

00:06:09.000 I can't remember which ones they have specifically, but he's behind that.

00:06:12.000 And so The Guardian was just seething, seething that it existed, seething that Lomez was on Twitter and not known.

00:06:20.000 That is Wilson.

00:06:21.000 That is not Lomez, thankfully.

00:06:23.000 That is Wilson. 0.76

00:06:24.000 That's the man who did the doxing.

00:06:26.000 He looks, he's not, I don't think he's officially related to Job of the Hut.

00:06:30.000 I think it's merely a coincidental.

00:06:33.000 He reminds me of that annoying guy from the Toyota commercials.

00:06:35.000 Ooh, that's gruesome.

00:06:38.000 We'll see if they can find that one.

00:06:38.000 I like it.

00:06:40.000 But yes, so he is a most unfortunate looking person and a most with a most unfortunate soul within. 0.99

00:06:44.000 Remember, if you're ugly on the outside, you're ugly on the inside too. 0.99

00:06:49.000 Unless you're me. 0.72

00:06:50.000 Judge all books by their covers, which, of course, since we're talking about a publicing publication house, I would say that's that's quite apropos.

00:07:00.000 No, there's the do we have the picture of Lomez?

00:07:03.000 Because he's been, you know, I wasn't sure if he would, so we had him on my show earlier this week, and he wasn't, you know, I told Told him, I said, Look, if you don't want your picture out there, you don't have to do video, you can do audio only.

00:07:14.000 But he was like, No, let's let's go ahead and do it.

00:07:16.000 And he put his name out there and he was more than happy to show his face.

00:07:18.000 And let's just say he's um, he doesn't look like Jason Wilson, he looks like a totally normal guy that you would just see walking down the street, which is kind of part of the big problem for this doxing attempt is like nobody can actually really understand why they decided to dox this guy because there wasn't really anything they found in there other than like he supported, I don't know, basic right-wing things.

00:07:41.000 Like he supported Kyle Ritten.

00:07:44.000 The funniest thing about it, the funniest thing about it is like if you bring up the article here, I've got the article on the uh on the side computer here.

00:07:50.000 If you bring up the article, they have photos of all of these other people, so they're like, Oh, here's Ernst Junger, he's a German World War I veteran who wrote some books and they've published him.

00:08:01.000 Like, here's Ernst Junger, here's Peter Wrangel, the leader of the Russia Whites.

00:08:05.000 What they never have in this doxing article that exists to reveal someone's identity, they never have a photo of Lomez himself.

00:08:13.000 And the answer is because Lomez is way hotter looking than the guy doxing him.

00:08:19.000 And he's basically like, then you can find the.

00:08:22.000 So it turns out he was a college professor at um, is it uh?

00:08:26.000 Was it UC Irvine, Irvine?

00:08:27.000 Yeah, UC Irvine English professor.

00:08:28.000 And you can find his rate, my professors page.

00:08:31.000 And there are there are reviews not new ones, these are reviews from five years ago where they're just like, oh my god, he's so hot and he's a good and he's a good, you know instructor, he's good at that too, but he's mostly, you know, is this, were you the rate?

00:08:48.000 Were you the rating?

00:08:50.000 I was not.

00:08:51.000 I merely I investigated this.

00:08:53.000 I, you know like, did you submit ratings?

00:08:55.000 I did not submit any ratings.

00:08:57.000 Did you dark web ratings?

00:08:58.000 No no, stop it Tyler, you're out of control.

00:09:01.000 No look, i'll.

00:09:04.000 All i'm saying is, you know like, we're all perfectly straight here, but if we weren't, you know well, your home base, is that what you're saying?

00:09:15.000 I, I don't know Mike's the relationship status, but Jack and I have really great you know beards.

00:09:22.000 So oh, you have great beards.

00:09:25.000 Yeah, is that how?

00:09:26.000 I guess?

00:09:27.000 Yeah yeah yeah, yeah.

00:09:29.000 Well here oh, before we go on, by the way, because we go completely off the rails here's here's, the real question about this topic is that you know Blake, you know more than anyone that doxing and canceling in the past was extremely powerful, and so I want to throw this to Benz real quick, since we've got him one.

00:09:48.000 It's And and Benz, you were someone who they tried to go after you and they were like oh, he had like a fake podcast and all this stuff and it was ridiculous and it was like a one-day story and they hold it over your head for like weeks beforehand.

00:10:00.000 Oh, we're digging into your past, we're digging up all the skeletons and then the story runs and they always kind of backfire.

00:10:08.000 I feel like ever since Elon bought Twitter and Darren Beattie we're all mutual friends of Darren had a long, a couple of tweet threads about this, saying that the whole kind of hierarchy of doxing is now completely inverted.

00:10:21.000 Explain To me, why that is, Mike?

00:10:24.000 Well, you know, that meme where it's like someone calls you a racist, and then you're like in a crowd of people, they call you a racist, and then you go in the corner by yourself, and then they call another person race, and that person sort of comes in, and then suddenly the whole party is like with the people who've been called race.

00:10:42.000 You know, that meme, and it's, I think that effect happens for pretty much everything now because canceled culture during the sort of peak of unchallenged wokeness, you know, I mean, it's sort of in tandem with this push against wokeness altogether.

00:10:56.000 I mean, the fact is, like, it's not just Elon who's, you know, leading an anti-awokeness crusade, so to speak, Bill Ackman.

00:11:04.000 I mean, giant institutional investors.

00:11:07.000 You have Joe Rogan turning against it.

00:11:10.000 You have Jerry Seinfeld turning against it.

00:11:12.000 You know, the linchpin of what made wokeness powerful was the threat to cancel you if you didn't go along with the program.

00:11:19.000 And I think back, you know, five, six, seven, eight years ago, it was one of those things where it really was the kiss of death to be canceled because it was a very small click of people who were canceled.

00:11:30.000 But now, pretty much everybody who's lived through the Trump era and has and is still a Trump supporter is, you know, is in a party of canceled people.

00:11:40.000 Everyone experienced, I think, what it felt like to be a Trump supporter and be canceled from something. 0.97

00:11:45.000 Because if you're a Trump supporter, you are de facto a racist, a sexist, you know, homophobe, pick yourism.

00:11:54.000 And so I think, you know, basically it got to be the point where when people started to get canceled, it was like, oh, cool, here's another person for the party. 0.96

00:12:01.000 And I think that's what happened with Lomez.

00:12:03.000 It's like, hey, cool, you're one of us.

00:12:05.000 Come join.

00:12:07.000 Yeah, it's also kind of like, hey, these people are interesting.

00:12:11.000 We should check them out these days.

00:12:13.000 Like, oh, they're going after somebody new.

00:12:15.000 And in this case, it really was something new because Lomez, I think he only had like 25,000 followers on Twitter, which is decent to say the least.

00:12:24.000 But it's not like this was some huge, you know, millions of followers.

00:12:29.000 It's not like Libs of TikTok when they went after her.

00:12:31.000 But that's also a great example of this, of what I'm talking about as well, because when they went after Libs of TikTok and they doxed her, she only became 10 times more powerful than she originally was.

00:12:41.000 Blake, you were saying.

00:12:42.000 Well, so a guy we all know, Darren Beattie, had a pretty good take on this on Twitter the other day, where he just points out like one of the most important things is there's kind of a herd immunity effect.

00:12:54.000 If you're only cancellation, it's the sort of thing, if you're going to do it once, it's incredibly powerful where you just say, this one person is just not acceptable and shove them out.

00:13:04.000 But they really started to do it a lot.

00:13:06.000 They were doing it, you know, to several, like, I guess they did it to like dozens of people in 2020.

00:13:11.000 And they've tried to keep doing it since.

00:13:13.000 And it's just at the point where, you know, you look around and there's like 30 people who've been doxxed or canceled on the right.

00:13:21.000 And so everyone just thinks, wait, is this actually a big deal anymore?

00:13:25.000 And I think people are concluding it's not.

00:13:28.000 And also, you just eventually needed the point where a few places would go, yeah, we're just going to ignore that.

00:13:33.000 The more passes you've got on it, the more understanding there is on how to beat it.

00:13:38.000 And it turns out that the best way to defeat any doxing attempt, there's basically two paths you can do.

00:13:43.000 You can literally just laugh at them and laugh at the person attempting to do it.

00:13:47.000 But one that works, and it especially works if they actually have, I don't want to say something valid, but like something that at least is like mildly bad looking for you is you just ignore it.

00:13:59.000 Every, it's a lot like any other hostile news story.

00:14:03.000 So much of the energy comes from trying to like push back or dispute something or argue with it.

00:14:09.000 And that all that is is an excuse for them to write another article about it and then like repeat everything.

00:14:14.000 So the way you beat it is you just pretend it didn't happen and you issue no comment.

00:14:18.000 And we saw a lot of that.

00:14:18.000 Totally.

00:14:21.000 I can't remember.

00:14:22.000 There was one that happened, I want to say earlier this year where it's like they dox and just every single person who they try to cite and it just says no comment.

00:14:29.000 And then what's the news story?

00:14:30.000 There's no one comments on it.

00:14:31.000 There's no. 1.00

00:14:32.000 I think that was the Hinania one. 1.00

00:14:33.000 Oh, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:14:34.000 I think it was that one.

00:14:35.000 And so, yeah, it's like they hit up these like venture capitalists or like people who donated to his kept trying to get, they kept trying to get him canceled from various things.

00:14:45.000 And everybody was just like, yeah, we only, the only place they succeeded with was the University of Austin, which was supposed to be like the anti-canceling upstart university thing.

00:14:56.000 It was kind of funny.

00:14:57.000 And then, but everywhere else just said, yeah, no comment.

00:15:03.000 And that's the solution.

00:15:03.000 By the way, I want to say no comment.

00:15:05.000 As we're having this conversation and since Blake has said it so many times, Blake, if you can handle it, let's play or show Clip 174.

00:15:14.000 Show number 174, please.

00:15:16.000 And we can show everybody what exactly it is that Blake or who exactly it is that Blake was just gushing over on his rate my professor page.

00:15:29.000 And it's, it's, it's very interesting.

00:15:31.000 Tyler, while they, while they pull that up, Tyler, I want to get your thoughts on this.

00:15:37.000 Yeah, I mean, I are we pulling up the rate my professor page right now.

00:15:41.000 Is that what we're doing?

00:15:42.000 Oh, they said 174. 1.00

00:15:46.000 Yeah, I mean, I just think doxing is stupid. 0.97

00:15:48.000 And we were just talking about like this entire thing is like doxing and swatting are like the like they've got to be like the lamest things that you could possibly do. 0.94

00:15:58.000 And it's all basically, it just to me, it's just like, it's, it's the equivalent of children just like tattletelling on people and like hoping that like your parent or someone else cares.

00:16:11.000 And that's to me what like doxing is.

00:16:14.000 And like, like you said, the best way to handle it is if you don't respond, if nobody responds to it, if everybody, nobody feeds into the fire.

00:16:21.000 Or I mean, if you can resist, you can respond as long as like the response is to like you can't really engage with their moral framing of it.

00:16:21.000 Yeah.

00:16:30.000 You have to have contempt for their moral framing.

00:16:33.000 The libertarian economist Brian Kaplan, who I otherwise disagree with on a lot of issues, but one of the things he likes to point out whenever they do cancel stuff is he says, you should always ask yourself, is this worse than cheating on your wife and then leaving her and your children to like be with a side piece?

00:16:48.000 Because people do that all of the time.

00:16:51.000 Public people do that all of the time.

00:16:51.000 Yeah.

00:16:54.000 And we just like shrug and move on and say, you know, that's like a private matter.

00:16:56.000 Like a congressman in Georgia.

00:16:57.000 Yeah, like congressman, movie stars, athletes.

00:17:00.000 No, like McCormick in Georgia today.

00:17:02.000 Yeah, if we want, if we want to mention that one.

00:17:06.000 Everyone's like, you read it, you're like, yeah, you know, that's too bad.

00:17:09.000 That's pretty bad.

00:17:10.000 Like, that's whatever.

00:17:11.000 But most people are like, yeah, whatever.

00:17:13.000 At least accept that that happened or like we tolerate the existence of that.

00:17:17.000 And then we turn around, or for that matter, we're supposed to be forgiving of people who sometimes have committed horrible crimes that have like named or even killed people.

00:17:26.000 And then we have to turn around and they're like, Mr. Neff said a mean thing on the internet one time.

00:17:33.000 Oh my, oh my God.

00:17:34.000 Oh yeah.

00:17:35.000 And then Fox News calls you horrific and does all those other mean things to you.

00:17:40.000 Not even just type that personally.

00:17:42.000 Just hypothetically.

00:17:43.000 Real quick, we should.

00:17:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:17:47.000 Real, just real quick.

00:17:47.000 I was just going to say every, but oh yeah, go ahead.

00:17:49.000 Sorry, sorry.

00:17:49.000 I just want to do this.

00:17:50.000 We have a conservative Cheryl as a monthly supporter.

00:17:53.000 So we want to say thank you to read all rumble.

00:17:56.000 We'll read all rumble rants today if anyone wants to make any.

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00:18:01.000 So thank you very much for that, Cheryl.

00:18:03.000 Now you can go, Mike.

00:18:05.000 Oh, I was just going to say the other thing is, I think everybody has a certain fear of being canceled themselves and is aware that when you throw other people under the bus, they will not come to your support when they, when it comes for you.

00:18:18.000 So, there has been, I think Jack sort of referred to it as a kind of herd immunity, which is like, but I think that's part of that comes from the fact that when you see someone get canceled, I think it used to be the case when you didn't have that same fear.

00:18:29.000 There was an instinct to kind of dog pile and virtue signal and get your sort of, you know, Pokemon points from the whole thing.

00:18:37.000 But now I think the fear of having seen so many other people get swallowed up by it, you don't want to be a dog piler because then who is going to support you when the dog pile is on you?

00:18:46.000 And there's kind of a similar thing with the censorship situation. 0.91

00:18:49.000 You know, internet censorship really started, you know, against the kind of very fringe element in 2017, you know, the kind of section of the MAGA crowd that was very easy for the sort of mainstream Republican crowd to say, well, you know what?

00:19:03.000 Censorship's not a great thing, but we can't defend these people.

00:19:07.000 And then the next layer up, and then the next layer up, and then the next layer up.

00:19:11.000 And then suddenly, you know, Marjorie Taylor Greene is getting censored and Ron and not Rand Paul is getting censored.

00:19:19.000 And then the president of the United States is deplatforming.

00:19:21.000 And that's like, okay, you know what?

00:19:22.000 Free speech for everybody because, you know, what we're up against is such a monster that we all need to have each other's back, you know, even if we have internal disagreements to some extent.

00:19:32.000 And I think that's sort of what's happened with the cancel culture thing.

00:19:35.000 You know, another thing that's also good is, as you mentioned, the herd immunity, but it's also that at this point, we've had many cancellation attempts.

00:19:43.000 And what each of those are is it's kind of an opportunity for every single person who's a bystander to kind of pass or fail a test.

00:19:51.000 And so if you're on the right, you actually have a pretty good understanding now of who is trustworthy to stand by people when bad stuff happens to them and who has failed this.

00:20:01.000 And over time, as a result of this, you have a stronger conservative movement because you're basically everyone is collectively selecting for who's not going to wuss out when things get hard. 0.94

00:20:12.000 And so it's like Brotherhood of Steel or some stupid, cheesy-sounding analogy for this. 0.94

00:20:18.000 But no, that's a great point. 0.98

00:20:19.000 Virtue signaling is sort of in the opposite direction now.

00:20:22.000 Whereas before it was like a virtue signal to join the dog pile, now it's a virtue signal to say, screw the dog pile.

00:20:29.000 You know, I was about to give the other set of fingers, but I don't know if this is a family show.

00:20:33.000 So my mom is watching.

00:20:36.000 And Jack's ready for the blur.

00:20:38.000 You have a blur button, don't you?

00:20:41.000 Yeah, no, no, I just call it the Blake button.

00:20:43.000 We just, we just give the delay on the show, but just for Blake.

00:20:47.000 So this was this was set up after the lawyers reached out to us and said, look, Blake is involved in numerous indictments, ferret investigations.

00:20:56.000 He's been working with the mob, the Mexican drug cartels.

00:20:59.000 Apparently, Blake has been like selling fentanyl around the Turning Point Studios.

00:21:03.000 It's very interesting.

00:21:05.000 And so, and so, you know, we just got a dump button, but it only affects him.

00:21:08.000 There's a loose brick in one of these walls that I think has all of his mom there.

00:21:13.000 It's the bathroom.

00:21:14.000 Do you see the background here?

00:21:15.000 All these loose bricks.

00:21:16.000 There's a certain one.

00:21:17.000 You got to tap it.

00:21:18.000 It's a hollow.

00:21:19.000 So it's actually Blake leaving the cocaine at the White House. 0.97

00:21:22.000 But, you know, just kind of the last white diddy. 0.95

00:21:26.000 He is like the white diddy. 0.96

00:21:28.000 The real last thing. 1.00

00:21:31.000 That's rough.

00:21:32.000 That's rough.

00:21:32.000 Absolutely.

00:21:33.000 Wasn't that Jeffrey Epstein?

00:21:34.000 Oh, no.

00:21:35.000 But, well, and Benz, let me just put the last, the last question to you on the before we move to the next topic, which, you know, before we're completely canceled, is what is it?

00:21:47.000 So there's a connection.

00:21:50.000 There's a direct connection between censorship and doxing, because usually the, you know, the way it all worked before Elon bought Twitter was someone got doxed, someone committed wrongthink, or as we would say around here, someone committed a thought crime, and then they would get suspended from Twitter and canceled from, you know, public society.

00:22:12.000 They're trying to do the same thing to this NFL kicker for the Chiefs right now because he like gave a Catholic convocation speech at a Catholic university.

00:22:21.000 And they're going after him now.

00:22:23.000 And so the problem, though, is because the censorship has been shut down.

00:22:28.000 And also, yeah, speaking of doxing, the Kansas City Twitter account, some employee, Rogue employee there actually tweeted out where he lives.

00:22:38.000 Completely insane.

00:22:40.000 you know, canceling, doxing leads to canceling, doxing can lead to swatting, which is something my family has experienced and a number of people in the movement have experienced because once they realize they can't censor you and they become impotent with their canceling attempts, they just try to move on to other means.

00:22:55.000 So Benz, walk me through how it used to work and why they are becoming so desperate.

00:23:01.000 Yeah, well, there used to be something called, well, it's still here, but it's called media escalation, which is the, which is the inbound email that a platform gets when there's been a hit piece on somebody.

00:23:12.000 And the news, you know, the journalist, whether they're from the New York Times or the Washington Post or BuzzFeed or Politico, will not just sort of ask for comment from the target of the dox attack, but they would also send a concomitant email to YouTube if they had a YouTube account, to Facebook with their Facebook account, to Twitter for their Twitter account, and basically send a threatening email to them saying, do you know that you are hosting a person who's engaged in hate speech?

00:23:41.000 And this is a major brand safety risk for you, don't you know?

00:23:44.000 And don't you know advertisers are going to respond very poorly when they see this story?

00:23:48.000 And this would be a media escalation that the inbound would run up the chain to the higher levels at those social media companies.

00:23:58.000 And so it was a very effective tactic for actually achieving cancellation because it would go hand in glove with a kind of deplatforming because of the business interests of the platform in order to keep their advertisers who themselves were under the gun by various other forms of pressure.

00:24:14.000 And that hand gesture that I was going to make earlier was one that Elon Musk made in a very powerful gesture when he basically formally eschewed that entire coercion process when he said GFY to advertisers and said, you know, we're going to basically build our own pirate ship through subscriptions and through other kinds of products and services like the premium and Grok and the other assets, frankly, that Elon has from his empire,

00:24:44.000 but not being subservient to advertisers in a totalizing fashion and trying to diversify the business has actually, and the fact that he's willing to lose money on the platform in order to preserve free speech has made it so that Twitter is actually one of these places now that is pretty much rock solid when these in terms of your platform security,

00:25:05.000 where that was not the case under the Jack Dorsey era, Jack Dorsey even said the whole reason he banned Trump was because of a business decision around how they were going to financially destroy the company unless he did.

00:25:16.000 Also, I'm seeing some people in the chat, by the way, who are asking, and perhaps this is remiss of us for not saying, so there are people asking, what is doxing?

00:25:24.000 And doxing has different layers, different definitions.

00:25:26.000 I would say my tightest definition would be number one, taking something or someone who was anonymous on the internet and publishing their name.

00:25:37.000 And then the next level of that is publishing their personal information.

00:25:40.000 I don't know.

00:25:40.000 Would you guys add anything different to that?

00:25:43.000 Yeah, it's like, I think the original use of it would be publishing just someone's home address for the purpose of like trying to harass them or annoy them.

00:25:51.000 And then what you started to get during the cancel culture era was you would take someone who was anonymous, anonymous online and then publicize their identity for the sake of shaming them, getting them fired, getting them humiliated, all of that sort of thing.

00:26:07.000 And then I feel like that's become the main purpose of it is just the stuff like this.

00:26:13.000 We're like, we're going to show Lomez's identity so that we can try to ruin his life in some capacity, especially if there's no other justification for this other than just we want to blow this person up.

00:26:26.000 And so that's kind of what it mostly refers to. 0.89

00:26:28.000 I feel like you don't hear it used as much for just publishing someone's address.

00:26:32.000 You do see that sometimes, I guess, with like when they were posting Brett Kavanaugh's address so that they could try to get him murdered.

00:26:39.000 But that's about the only case I can think of.

00:26:42.000 When I got doxxed, Human Turd and his turd-throwing wife, Eric Wempel of the Washington Post, showed up at the place where I lived. 0.62

00:26:50.000 I wasn't there at the time, but which is probably for the best because I think if I'd been there, I probably would have like kicked him in the nuts or something.

00:26:56.000 But didn't happen.

00:26:58.000 I wasn't there.

00:26:59.000 There was no showdown.

00:27:00.000 But you should look up Eric Wempel and how his wife once threw a piece of dog poop at someone.

00:27:06.000 Yeah.

00:27:06.000 And doxing originally came from, you know, the dropping docs, like DOCS docs.

00:27:13.000 That's where it came from.

00:27:14.000 Yeah, it was like documents or compiling a dossier, right?

00:27:14.000 Documents.

00:27:19.000 So that's like where I originally came from.

00:27:22.000 But you can't get doxed if you dox yourself, which is what I live by, which everyone's like, why do you put so much personal information on the internet?

00:27:29.000 I'm like, because we have a constitutional carry state here in Arizona.

00:27:33.000 That's true.

00:27:34.000 Yeah.

00:27:35.000 Nothing to be afraid of.

00:27:36.000 And I have cookies.

00:27:37.000 We said in the chat, you just provide cookies to everybody when they show up.

00:27:41.000 And then they're like, oh, they were wrong about you on the internet.

00:27:44.000 Do you keep any like VMC cookies that might have certain substances in them?

00:27:50.000 Like chocolate?

00:27:51.000 Or like.

00:27:53.000 Snickerdoodles have.

00:27:54.000 He's trying to sell fentanyl to you, man.

00:27:56.000 You know, he's up to you.

00:27:58.000 I'm not going to fall for this.

00:27:59.000 I'm not going to fall for this.

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00:29:24.000 And I'm going to send this over to Mike Benz because, so did Franz Ferdinand just happen again?

00:29:32.000 Because we just had an assassination attempt in Slovakia.

00:29:37.000 Franz Ferdinand, for people who don't know, is the assassination in Sarajovo, where the heir to the, or I should say the heir apparent to the Austro-Hungarian Empire was killed.

00:29:47.000 This set off a chain reaction that we refer to as World War I. Eastern Europe, of course, is the birthplace of both world wars.

00:29:57.000 So World War II kicks off in Poland, 1939.

00:29:59.000 And so my question, Benz, is World War III going to kick off in Slovakia?

00:30:05.000 I don't know about World War III.

00:30:06.000 He did survive the assassination attempt.

00:30:09.000 You know, it looks like when the dust has settled, it'll probably be closer to a sort of Bolsonaro situation when he was stabbed while attending an event in 2018, 2019.

00:30:22.000 And I think that in this case, it does look like he's likely to make a recovery from what I'm seeing, although that will, I guess, remains to be seen.

00:30:30.000 But there's a bigger picture here of who done it and why.

00:30:37.000 And I have been fascinated by Slovakia for some time because it's one of these V4, Visigrad for countries, which is very critical for the foreign policy establishment's control over as a buttress to Ukraine and as a key puzzle piece in the grand Ukraine energy play.

00:30:59.000 The grand Ukraine energy play is basically this move by NATO energy stakeholders and the whole Atlanta Council, Atlantis' foreign policy set to make basically a trillion dollars in windfall profits by prying off the natural gas market of Europe,

00:31:19.000 which until about 20 years ago was 100% controlled by Russia, which made Gazprom the single largest company in the entire world in 2005, 2006.

00:31:30.000 And then through State Department coerced European energy diversification policies, because Russia has the cheapest gas and the most plentiful, and otherwise you have to buy more expensive Western LNG.

00:31:42.000 There's been a big part of the move here and a big part of the Ukraine coup in 2014 was to pry Russian gas off of Europe and replace it with gas coming from the west of Ukraine rather than the east.

00:31:58.000 And a central part of that linchpin plan has been the resupply.

00:32:03.000 See, Ukraine has played such a vital role in the gas market, not because of all the gas that's in Ukraine, but because of the gas transit from Ukraine into Europe from Russia.

00:32:15.000 There's legacy architecture that dates back 100 years.

00:32:18.000 And these pipelines are expensive.

00:32:20.000 They're difficult to maintain.

00:32:21.000 They're deeply interconnected.

00:32:22.000 That's why there's 15 to 30-year contracts on these things.

00:32:25.000 And so the ideal situation is you cut off the Russian gas from the east and you simply have a new entry point from the gas, but you keep all of that legacy architecture that goes all the way out to Rotterdam. 0.50

00:32:40.000 And the way that they have plotted to do that is through primarily through Poland.

00:32:45.000 Poland has this vast new set of gas architecture that can take LNG coming in from the Baltic Sea and then connect through terminals from Poland into Ukraine.

00:32:57.000 And this is why the political leadership of Poland has been such an important thing for NATO to control.

00:33:02.000 And as we just saw with this, with what just happened there a few months ago.

00:33:06.000 But Poland's ports themselves run through Slovakia.

00:33:10.000 Now, this is very important because Slovakia has been on the edge for some time now.

00:33:17.000 The near-assassinated president there, Robert Fico, has pledged to not go through with their gas contracts with Russia.

00:33:31.000 They have one set ending in 2024 and another set ending in 2027.

00:33:35.000 Then they pledge to restore those gas contracts with Russia and not cooperate with the desired sanctions of the EU.

00:33:43.000 They are also putting pressure on Ukraine to restore gas relations with Russia.

00:33:49.000 Both Hungary and Slovakia are having conversations about having Ukraine restore some limited amount of engagement with the Ukrainian gas market.

00:33:59.000 This new president has basically rejected the NATO line on the Ukraine-Russia war.

00:34:05.000 And because of the leverage they have over the EU and NATO, because the whole Grand Ukraine energy play, the whole trillion-dollar play to run LNG through Poland into Ukraine runs through Slovakia.

00:34:18.000 If this new prime minister decides, hey, you know what, actually, Ghost, you're going to put sanctions on us if we don't go along with your war or you're going to, you're going to, we have a trump card over you, which is that goodbye to the gas transit to Ukraine, which by the way, is all of Ukraine's national revenue, essentially, because in order for that gas to go from Poland to Ukraine, you need to go through us.

00:34:43.000 And so because of that, there has been an incredible amount of NATO and CIA and Soros malfeasance to use the rental riots, to use the whole regime change blob architecture to try to regime change FICO's leadership.

00:35:01.000 Now, this has happened in tandem with FICO trying to establish, to trying to root out the NGOs from the blob that are similar to as they were in Belarus.

00:35:11.000 You guys remember that famous clip of Alexander Lukashenko talking to, I think, a BBC reporter where he says, we've removed all your little structures.

00:35:19.000 You know, when he's asked why there's no free speech in Belarus and Lukashenko's saying, that's not free speech.

00:35:24.000 Those were CIA proprietaries, essentially.

00:35:27.000 Those NGOs were your pawns.

00:35:29.000 They were your structures.

00:35:30.000 You know, this is not a free speech issue.

00:35:32.000 We've simply, this is a counterintelligence issue.

00:35:34.000 Well, that's the same thing in Slovakia.

00:35:36.000 Slovakia has been totally controlled as a NATO vassal state until the past few years when basically they've been pushed to the brink and this new president rode in on a populist outrage over that NATO vassalage.

00:35:51.000 And so, you know, what they've done now is three months before this, actually, these NATO rental riots, just like in Georgia, were taken to the streets because of a new law that was essentially kind of like a FARA law, which basically said that foreign-owned media in the country would not be allowed on state radio or public broadcasting on TV.

00:36:13.000 This is important for you.

00:36:15.000 All the opposition media in the country was being backed by the CIA by way of the National Endowment for Democracy.

00:36:21.000 So it was an astroturf opposition movement the entire time.

00:36:25.000 But that is their stool to be able to twist the judiciary. 0.69

00:36:28.000 Oh, the other thing is they had a special prosecutor probe to try to Robert Mueller or Jack Smith Robert Fico out of office.

00:36:37.000 And FICO has just recently gestured that he's going to end that special prosecutor probe.

00:36:41.000 So now they're trying to, so they did another set of rental riots there to try to basically argue that, oh, rule of law, rule of law in Slovakia is overturned because now we might not be able to throw him in jail like we threw Imran Khan in jail or Donald Trump in jail.

00:36:56.000 But whose rule of law is it?

00:36:58.000 It's not your country. 0.76

00:36:59.000 That's Slovakia.

00:37:00.000 So that's for the Slovakian people to decide.

00:37:03.000 So for folks who are watching and/or anyone's listening back on the podcast side on the audio, Slovakia, we've got the map up right now, just south of Poland, just north of Hungary.

00:37:14.000 It's very close to Romania.

00:37:16.000 Again, this is the whole neighborhood.

00:37:18.000 And what do all of the countries that Benz is talking about share a border with Ukraine?

00:37:23.000 And of course, Poland and Belarus are next to each other.

00:37:26.000 Belarus is also just to the north of Ukraine. 0.73

00:37:28.000 And so this has been highly caustic. 0.94

00:37:30.000 I want to throw it to Blake.

00:37:31.000 Blake, you know, we've seen the situation.

00:37:34.000 Benz has talked about how this is a guy who's definitely a huge thorn in the side of NATO, Collective West, all of that. 1.00

00:37:42.000 You know, sort of a, you know, he's definitely an Orban type. 0.89

00:37:46.000 You know, as we say, we know that the guy who did this was like a 71-year-old, like ultra-lib in Slovakia, definitely one of these like anti-Putin, NAFO types.

00:37:56.000 But I'll put it this way, rather than get into whether or not he was actually working on CIA orders, I guess my bigger question, the thought crime is like, do you think this is something that could spiral the neighborhood into a wider war?

00:38:11.000 I mean, it's a classic case of why all of this is so ridiculous, where you have NATO, an alliance that was created for the security of the West.

00:38:22.000 So it's the U.S. and our crucial post-World War II allies to contain an aggressive foreign ideology of international communism, which is the Soviet Union and its satellite states.

00:38:34.000 And then after the Cold War ends, we just decide to add every random country in the world into NATO.

00:38:41.000 And that, you know, there might have been, there was some justification for that.

00:38:44.000 I understand it. 0.97

00:38:45.000 But now it's clearly become, it's become a means to, instead of protect the U.S. and keep us at peace, it's become a thing that just sucks us into like, it just sucks us into these dumb things. 0.76

00:39:01.000 Like, I don't want to be. 0.60

00:39:03.000 I'm sure Slovakia is nice.

00:39:05.000 I'm sure, I'm sure that horror movie Hostel that took place there is not accurate.

00:39:09.000 I'm sure Bratislava is cool.

00:39:12.000 But it's a country of like four million.

00:39:14.000 It's a country of like four million people, four or five million people.

00:39:18.000 It's like middling.

00:39:19.000 The Tatra Mountains of the Carpathians there.

00:39:21.000 Absolutely gorgeous.

00:39:22.000 I'm sure it's lovely.

00:39:26.000 Skiing is gorgeous.

00:39:28.000 It's a beautiful country.

00:39:29.000 I'd love to visit it.

00:39:30.000 I'm sure there's a lot of great things about it.

00:39:33.000 But objectively speaking, America should not have to care about Slovakia.

00:39:39.000 There should not be any crisis if whatever opinion Slovakia's leader has on any international issue, because this country has half the population of Los Angeles County, and it probably has the same GDP as like the Des Moines metropolitan area or something.

00:40:00.000 Well, you know what Mitt Romney said?

00:40:02.000 Jack, can you pull up on screen the specifically, not just the geography, but the Poland-Slovakia pipeline?

00:40:08.000 That's actually the name of it.

00:40:09.000 So Lake's got the direct controls.

00:40:13.000 Yeah, just run like a Google image search.

00:40:15.000 Just run a Google image search for the Slovakia-Poland pipeline.

00:40:20.000 This was actually first, the idea for it actually came right before the Maidan Square kicked off.

00:40:29.000 This is in 2013, right ahead of the 2014 coup, as they were planning the resupply of the gas market in Ukraine and were simultaneously setting up the Poland LNG operation and the connective terminal through Slovakia.

00:40:49.000 And it was finally completed in 2022.

00:40:53.000 So it's brand new and it is the linchpin of this grand Ukraine energy play using Poland and the new cooperative government in Poland.

00:41:02.000 Because if you remember, before the turnover in the Poland government just recently, the Law and Order Party was expressing their dissatisfaction with the direction of NATO's line on Ukraine.

00:41:13.000 So conveniently, they topple that government and now they are working to topple the Slovakia government so that they have total control over the gas architecture.

00:41:23.000 Now, Mitt Romney actually just came out, I think, earlier today and made a statement against America First and isolationism, as he calls it, because the American economy is mostly based on our affairs internationally.

00:41:37.000 And it's not incorrect to say that.

00:41:41.000 The issue is our corporations themselves no longer serve the American people.

00:41:46.000 They don't, our manufacturing is now a million miles.

00:41:53.000 Yeah.

00:41:54.000 And so it's so the point that I'm trying to make here with the with the pipeline is that it's not about control over the four or five million people who live there.

00:42:03.000 You know, Ukraine itself is the lowest GDP in all of Europe, you know, even before the war started.

00:42:10.000 It's about the land.

00:42:12.000 It's about the geopolitics of it.

00:42:13.000 It's because it's just about the physics of how a gas pipeline works.

00:42:17.000 You need to control the transit points in order to control the market.

00:42:21.000 And I would suggest that NATO was not necessarily constructed for the security of the Western world.

00:42:29.000 I would argue that it was set up for the, you know, to secure and safeguard the commercial interests that ride on the military battering arm of the transatlantic defense establishment.

00:42:42.000 Just like the CIA does not primarily to service national security.

00:42:47.000 Or look at the National Endowment for Democracy.

00:42:49.000 The CIA's number one cutout, who's behind what's happening in Slovakia right now.

00:42:53.000 You know who's on the board of the National Endowment for Democracy, which gets a half a billion dollars every year in congressional funding and was set up by CIA Director Bill Colby as an explicit, as an explicit CIA pass-through to try to reestablish the CIA conduits that they had in the 1960s.

00:43:12.000 On the board of the National Endowment for Democracy are representatives from Chevron, Exxon, Google, Microsoft, McDonald's, Walmart.

00:43:23.000 It's the corporate stakeholders who, you know, because you don't make your money at the CIA or at the DOD, you know, as a GS17 making $175,000 a year.

00:43:36.000 You make your money on the board seats of the corporations that you were good little boys for while you were in charge of the State Department desk there, or the DOD operations that were carving up their markets, or the CIA operations that were regime changing governments so that you could have a favorable labor policy or tax policy or regulatory environment for the corporations there.

00:43:55.000 That's kind of the level of the food chain above this.

00:43:58.000 And so what we're doing in Slovakia is what we're doing on every corner of the globe.

00:44:04.000 It's what we're doing in Namibia and Uganda and Turkmenistan.

00:44:09.000 There's no plot of dirt on God's green earth that doesn't have some exploitable natural resource. 0.69

00:44:15.000 And that same blob apparatus to be able to run black ops dirty tricks to control is now what we're seeing in our own domestic politics with it being turned against us, the citizens.

00:44:27.000 So basically what you're saying is if some place has got oil or access to oil, then they need some freedom real fast. 0.67

00:44:35.000 By the way, this is the same issue with why people always ask me about why does China care about the Uyghurs so much?

00:44:39.000 What's the big deal? 0.94

00:44:40.000 They live out in the middle of the desert of Central Asia. 0.92

00:44:42.000 Well, where is Xinjiang located? 0.99

00:44:45.000 Right across from Pakistan.

00:44:48.000 And this is exactly where they want to build that Pakistan economic corridor across the actually Kashmir region, which I know Blake has been talking about recently, across from Xinjiang so they can get all the way down to the port of Chabahar and then eventually get into Iran, eventually get into the Persian Gulf.

00:45:05.000 That's what it's all about.

00:45:06.000 And the Uyghurs, who were in the way with their Islamic separatist movement, they didn't want them bombing the pipeline. 0.73

00:45:15.000 So what did they do? 0.97

00:45:16.000 They locked up all the Uyghurs. 1.00

00:45:18.000 Before we end this topic, I want to go to Tyler. 1.00

00:45:22.000 Tyler, you've been in that region.

00:45:24.000 I think probably more than all of us combined.

00:45:27.000 You know how oil and mineral rights really play a huge role there.

00:45:30.000 What'd you take?

00:45:31.000 Yeah, it's so interesting when you look at like Turkish relations too.

00:45:36.000 And, you know, I've just been catching up on some recent news when it comes to the southern pipelines, too.

00:45:44.000 I'm sure we could talk about this for hours and hours.

00:45:46.000 I actually lived, as you know, In some of the bigger port areas where those companies operated out of.

00:45:55.000 And it was very interesting to see.

00:45:58.000 Tyler's literally lived in the Donbass, folks.

00:46:00.000 Well, and I lived, I lived in Tuopsay and Novro Sisk, where those areas are two of the largest ports where so much of all the oil moguls and quite a few Americans that were doing business with the big companies were there.

00:46:19.000 And it's, and this is, this is a big, a big deal.

00:46:23.000 And I spent actually some time, I think we talked about this before in Romania with a senator in the Romanian parliament who was there.

00:46:31.000 And kind of just funny story: when we were there traveling around, he was the minister of oil and gas.

00:46:38.000 And we would go around to all these different refineries and talk to so many different people.

00:46:43.000 And this guy had a bulletproof bins, and we were going through all the country.

00:46:47.000 All these people had Romanian last names, but they were actually Russians.

00:46:53.000 So just, you know, receiving and passing around and making sure that the entire business was protected throughout much of Central Europe.

00:47:02.000 And so, you know, there's a lot of complication that exists.

00:47:06.000 And I'm afraid that we're, you know, to say that our American understanding of how this business operates is that we're in over our skis.

00:47:17.000 And for the average American to really understand what we're up against is not saying a whole lot.

00:47:24.000 Yeah, I think it comes back to what Blake said.

00:47:24.000 So.

00:47:26.000 You know, we're sticking our nose and our fingers in dirty little pies that have no direct interest for the American people. 0.64

00:47:35.000 And it goes back to Ben.

00:47:36.000 Why are we there?

00:47:36.000 We're there for corporate power.

00:47:39.000 I want to go to this next topic.

00:47:39.000 All right.

00:47:41.000 We're taking a little longer on topics today, but that's all right.

00:47:43.000 We get the time.

00:47:44.000 We're all here for thought crimes.

00:47:45.000 This one, Blake, and we'll have Tyler get into it a little bit more.

00:47:49.000 And then Benz, you and I can chime in.

00:47:51.000 Politico Mag had a really interesting article that came out a couple of days ago talking about, and this is directly tied into something that we've all been working here.

00:48:01.000 We talked about on the program a few weeks ago regarding what if the Electoral College ends in a tie and what does that mean for our republic going forward?

00:48:12.000 Blake, you went through this article.

00:48:14.000 What was your takeaway?

00:48:16.000 So exactly.

00:48:17.000 So first, I just want to set the stage because we've talked about this a lot when we've covered Operation Cornhusker, as I recall it, which is where we've discussed trying to get Nebraska to change to winner-take-all.

00:48:27.000 And the reason it's been important for us to work on that is if you look at an electoral college map, in fact, here, we'll just bring it up just to remind people if they have forgotten or if they haven't seen it.

00:48:38.000 Let me just go to 2702win.com, highly addictive website, highly recommended for everyone who loves to do nerdy election stuff.

00:48:47.000 So I've got that on screen here.

00:48:48.000 So let's just go and we'll take the 2020 election results and now let's go.

00:48:55.000 Let's just assume we get Arizona back and if we get Georgia back.

00:49:01.000 And so this is if you if you have this map and then if you flip Wisconsin or Michigan or Pennsylvania, we win.

00:49:06.000 That's great.

00:49:07.000 But there's another path where we can get if we go Nevada, which polls say Trump is up in Nevada.

00:49:13.000 As we've discussed, if you flip that, it's 270 to 268.

00:49:17.000 Biden wins.

00:49:19.000 Old Joe gets another term.

00:49:21.000 But if you make Nebraska winner-take-all, so that Trump is going to win the state, of course, then you have a 269-269 tie.

00:49:28.000 So we've discussed this, but to remind everyone, if you have a 269-all tie in the Electoral College or any Electoral College result where no one gets a majority, so you could get the most, but not be a majority.

00:49:41.000 This still happens.

00:49:42.000 If that occurs, then the election goes to the House of Representatives.

00:49:47.000 And the way the House decides is they have to vote among the top three electoral vote getters.

00:49:56.000 And you vote by state.

00:49:58.000 So every state's House delegation gets one equal vote.

00:50:01.000 So the one representative from Wyoming, who I forget the name of, gets the same amount of voting power as all 52 of California's representatives.

00:50:10.000 But that is how they do it.

00:50:12.000 Odds are right now, if we were to do this with the current House set up, you would have 26 Republican votes, 22 Democrat votes.

00:50:18.000 So chances are Trump would be able to win.

00:50:22.000 And that'll probably still be the case after this fall's election, unless we would badly lose the House somehow.

00:50:28.000 So which House votes?

00:50:30.000 Is it the current House or the House following the US?

00:50:33.000 It would be the new House because it's the new Congress that officially tallies electoral votes on January 6th.

00:50:40.000 Or I don't know.

00:50:41.000 Is it the same date every time?

00:50:42.000 Or is it whatever it is?

00:50:44.000 Early January.

00:50:45.000 So you've seated the new Congress then, and they only vote after they've failed to do it.

00:50:51.000 So even though we know in advance, they're only counting in early January when the new Congress is seated.

00:50:56.000 So it would be the new ones.

00:50:57.000 What's interesting about this article, which I also have up here, it's in Politico if anyone wants to go look it up.

00:51:03.000 The title, A Trump-Biden tie would be a political nightmare, but maybe a boon to democracy.

00:51:09.000 That's always a word to watch out for.

00:51:11.000 Anytime they're using democracy, you know that a liberal statement is something really sinister.

00:51:15.000 Let me ask Benz about that.

00:51:17.000 Ben, should we be careful about when we hear Politico saying something will be good for democracy?

00:51:23.000 I need to unfreeze my eyeballs.

00:51:25.000 I think I'm like stuck.

00:51:27.000 You know, where are you going with this, buddy?

00:51:30.000 Like, you know, there's something very ominous afoot.

00:51:35.000 I mean, they must be said.

00:51:36.000 I mean, this must involve some way that they can screw Trump and basically invoke the whole tentacles of the blob to descend on this.

00:51:44.000 But let's see.

00:51:45.000 You had my interest.

00:51:46.000 Now you have my attention.

00:51:48.000 So they make the comparison.

00:51:48.000 Exactly.

00:51:50.000 So exactly 200 years ago, so, you know, stuff rhymes.

00:51:54.000 Exactly 200 years ago is the last time we had the House decide an election this way.

00:51:59.000 And it was Andrew Jackson versus John Quincy Adams.

00:52:02.000 And Andrew Jackson gets the most popular vote, but not every state decides through popular vote.

00:52:08.000 And in the end, neither of them get a majority because I think there was another candidate.

00:52:12.000 I can't remember exactly which one it was.

00:52:14.000 Was it the first time Henry Clay ran?

00:52:15.000 He ran like 50 different times for president.

00:52:18.000 Anyway, so it goes Andrew Jackson.

00:52:21.000 Yeah, so Andrew Jackson versus Quincy Adams goes to the House and there's the so-called corrupt bargain.

00:52:28.000 Yeah, it was Henry Clay.

00:52:29.000 Henry Clay cuts a deal where his electoral votes support John Quincy Adams.

00:52:34.000 So John Quincy Adams becomes president.

00:52:37.000 And Andrew Jackson, who I will say is very much like a Trump-esque figure for this time, my favorite fact related to that is Andrew Jackson would write letters to his friends where he would just vent about how terrible the government was.

00:52:50.000 And then these letters would get published in the newspapers and they were basically exactly like Trump tweets.

00:52:55.000 People would even say like, oh, Andrew Jackson, he can't spell right.

00:52:57.000 He can't write good.

00:52:58.000 He's bad. 1.00

00:52:59.000 He's dumb. 1.00

00:53:00.000 And so it had that element to it. 1.00

00:53:01.000 That's just a side thing.

00:53:03.000 Anyway, he points out that the backlash, the political backlash to this at the time was immense, that Jackson had gotten the most votes, probably had the most overall popular support, but he doesn't become president.

00:53:13.000 One thing this does is it causes there to be a big switch to popular vote for picking the electors of each state.

00:53:20.000 Four years later, John Quincy Adams isn't a super popular president and Jackson annihilates him, is a two-term president, and he kind of is one of the first big revisions of American political life.

00:53:30.000 So, what this article in Politico says could happen is it says, yeah, you know, maybe Trump will be able to win the presidency by, he's like, fast forward 200 years, and America is arguably at a precipice.

00:53:45.000 On two occasions over the past 25 years, Republicans have lost the popular vote only to win in the Electoral College, where small population states enjoy an advantage.

00:53:55.000 Now, Republicans could lose the popular vote again.

00:53:59.000 having won it only once in the past 32 plus years, and then may try to engineer a Trump win in the House.

00:54:05.000 But by playing the inside game and using a vote in the House, Republicans could perpetuate their power, but a democratic system that is no longer responsive to we cannot put enough quotation marks around this.

00:54:19.000 The will of the majority could break and create unintended consequences.

00:54:26.000 This could be a watershed year for American, we need to put more quotes around this, democracy, long stalled political reforms from introducing Supreme Court term limits to abolishing the Electoral College, could finally sail through a top a wave.

00:54:47.000 I want a second phrase.

00:54:49.000 They will sail.

00:54:51.000 They will sail through a top a wave of populist democratic outrage.

00:54:59.000 Populist Democratic outrage.

00:55:01.000 We're going to have people, they're going to protest in Washington, D.C.

00:55:05.000 And then everyone's going to be like, this is the will of the people.

00:55:09.000 It's Trump's, it's America's Ukraine moment.

00:55:13.000 Oh, my Abby.

00:55:14.000 And they'll just get crazy about this.

00:55:18.000 Blake, this is exactly what the Transition Integrity Project already plotted.

00:55:22.000 What you just said, a totally astroturfed, you know, in June 2020, a bunch of military intelligence and political folks who were all never Trump with Chom Podessa role-playing Joe Biden and Bill Crystal and Michael Steele jointly role-playing Donald Trump simulated how to get Trump in, how to get Biden into office if Trump won the Electoral College.

00:55:47.000 Yeah.

00:55:48.000 I mean, so there was that.

00:55:50.000 And then there's so many different articles that are just very quietly paving the way for it's like little Democrats just kind of nudging you on the arm saying, you know, we got to be ready.

00:56:01.000 One of my favorites, The Atlantic in 2021 had an article, Kamala Harris might need to stop the steal. 1.00

00:56:09.000 And this was looking ahead to 2024, basically saying, you know, all that stuff that was definitely illegal for Mike Pence to do to keep Trump in office.

00:56:17.000 Yeah, Kamala Harris might have to do that, you know, to stop the steal. 1.00

00:56:20.000 And then in...

00:56:22.000 They just did the same thing for the electors.

00:56:24.000 And they've also could the Democrats in Congress like refuse to certify a Trump win.

00:56:24.000 Yes.

00:56:29.000 You know, maybe we can get a few Republicans who don't want him and they'll just refuse to certify.

00:56:34.000 Totally legal, everyone.

00:56:35.000 That's part of our democracy.

00:56:37.000 Our democracy.

00:56:39.000 Right.

00:56:39.000 It's a Rico case in Georgia, but when we do it, it's democracy.

00:56:42.000 Yes.

00:56:42.000 Yes, exactly.

00:56:43.000 Like there's just, there's no one has like more contempt for democracy than the people who like use the word democracy all of the time.

00:56:54.000 There's probably some sort of aphorism that describes this phenomenon.

00:56:58.000 Yeah, it's like it's methinks the lady doth protest too much. 1.00

00:57:01.000 That was the one I was going to say. 0.99

00:57:02.000 That was the one I was going to say.

00:57:05.000 Methinks the people like threatened by democracy.

00:57:09.000 I'm sorry.

00:57:10.000 I was just going to say, I love watching the meltdown when you explain to someone that just say, I like just rolling the grenade into the conversation, just saying, hey, did you know that the president isn't elected democratically?

00:57:23.000 And they're just walking out.

00:57:24.000 And they're just like, boom, just on Twitter every time.

00:57:27.000 I mean, like with normies and stuff.

00:57:29.000 Oh, anyone.

00:57:30.000 It's just anyone, right?

00:57:31.000 Like, it's like, did you know this isn't a democracy when it comes to the president?

00:57:34.000 And they're just like, boom, they lose their mind in their presidential.

00:57:37.000 It's great.

00:57:38.000 Everyone should do it more often.

00:57:40.000 It's a lot of fun.

00:57:41.000 We absolutely don't know if that's helping the polling on the Electoral College.

00:57:45.000 I don't think I'm helping.

00:57:46.000 Well, I threw out, you know, I made a comment about, you know, democracy at CPAC and that that became like the number one trending topic in the entire mainstream media.

00:57:59.000 I had Bill Maher going after me.

00:58:01.000 I enjoy Reed going after me like every single night.

00:58:04.000 Same way that she goes after me every single night in her dreams.

00:58:07.000 I don't know if it's the exact same.

00:58:09.000 I don't know if this is the exact same thing.

00:58:10.000 Oh, 100%.

00:58:11.000 100%.

00:58:11.000 Sometimes it's Trump, though.

00:58:12.000 That's why she's slowly trying to morph it. 0.86

00:58:14.000 She wakes up in a cold sweat.

00:58:16.000 She just, yeah.

00:58:17.000 Pasopic.

00:58:18.000 Oh, he's tonight.

00:58:19.000 I was on her show about once in 2016.

00:58:21.000 She's never, she's never recovered fully.

00:58:23.000 And it's true.

00:58:25.000 We should pull that off.

00:58:26.000 At some point, I went off on, I was like going off on LBJ.

00:58:29.000 It was great.

00:58:31.000 And all because I said something about like, oh, yeah, welcome to CPAC.

00:58:36.000 We're here to end democracy.

00:58:37.000 Because like that is what they had been saying about us the entire time in the run-up to it.

00:58:42.000 So I just repeated their own words back to them.

00:58:44.000 And they're like, he admitted it.

00:58:46.000 Oh, he admitted it.

00:58:47.000 You see?

00:58:48.000 You see?

00:58:49.000 And I'm like, really?

00:58:50.000 This is all it takes?

00:58:51.000 Apparently, that's all it takes, folks.

00:58:53.000 But Tyler, in all seriousness, I mean, you're looking at polling.

00:58:59.000 You're like, you know, the turning point action guy.

00:59:01.000 How realistic is this 269 scenario?

00:59:04.000 I mean, it's really realistic.

00:59:04.000 This tie.

00:59:05.000 I mean, last time there was a kind of funky way that it could have happened.

00:59:10.000 I think that involved New Hampshire.

00:59:12.000 Now, because of how the numbers have shifted, like this is very realistic.

00:59:15.000 I mean, it's basically blue wall versus like what we've talked about, Sunbelt as long as Nebraska gets winner-take-all done.

00:59:23.000 So, you know, Maine, we've investigated this.

00:59:26.000 We've covered this a little bit.

00:59:27.000 Maine has a real challenge in getting rid of their winner-take-take-all.

00:59:31.000 I mean, or adding winner-take-all, getting rid of their bi-congressional district apportionment of the Electoral College votes.

00:59:41.000 Nebraska is a very clear path, and Maine probably doesn't have the time to do it.

00:59:46.000 And so, and it would be very unpopular in Maine, where it's very popular amongst Republicans in Nebraska, which is a very deep red state.

00:59:54.000 So, Nebraska gets this thing done.

00:59:57.000 I mean, you are looking at a very real situation.

01:00:01.000 And this starts to spark the conversation about 14th Amendment stuff and what are the Democrats going to try to pull out.

01:00:09.000 They've been going after, I think they've gone after the whole Electoral College, the Elector stuff.

01:00:15.000 I can't talk too much about that, being somewhat in the middle of all this in Arizona.

01:00:21.000 But I think they've gone after this specifically to try to destroy the Electoral College.

01:00:27.000 I think they're trying to use that to enrage normal Americans on something that's obviously been in their life their entire life, whether or not most Americans realize it or not.

01:00:40.000 And that's a real concern when you layer that on top of the Supreme Court conversations, on top of the ranked choice voting conversations.

01:00:50.000 I mean, there's just a lot.

01:00:51.000 And I think they just want to get national popular vote done because it would be almost impossible to get rid of the Electoral College constitutionally.

01:00:59.000 I mean, so just to bring this up, I want to give Mike another chance, but you mentioned that the Interstate Popular Vote Compact is this thing they've considered.

01:00:59.000 And that's it.

01:01:09.000 You can look that up.

01:01:10.000 And we call it, and by just the loose slang is national popular vote, is what people call it.

01:01:15.000 So the idea is they think they can kind of execute this scheme.

01:01:19.000 So the Constitution says you have to do the Electoral College, but it doesn't get rid of it.

01:01:24.000 It doesn't say how you have to award your electoral votes.

01:01:27.000 Well, since we're on the topic, too, to get rid of the electors, it would require a vote of two-thirds of Congress, both chambers, plus three-quarters of the states to change it.

01:01:36.000 Exactly.

01:01:37.000 So the shortcut they try to take is they're passing this thing called the interstate, the National Popular Vote Compact.

01:01:43.000 And what it is, is these states pass identical bills that say we will award our electoral votes to whoever wins a national popular vote only once a total, a majority of electoral states have, or a majority of electoral votes nationwide have passed this same thing.

01:02:02.000 So the idea is you get 270 total electoral votes to pass this law, and then it triggers.

01:02:08.000 Now, right now, this is the law with 209 total electoral votes.

01:02:13.000 That is 38.8% of the way there.

01:02:19.000 Which is, which is scary.

01:02:20.000 It's all blue states that have done it.

01:02:22.000 Every state that's passed this right now is one that is solidly Democratic at this point.

01:02:28.000 Probably the most red one is Maine.

01:02:30.000 Like we'll get the electoral vote there.

01:02:32.000 But so you could just do the math where, you know, they control, if they got, if they got Virginia back under control, they could pass it there.

01:02:40.000 I think, do they have full control in Michigan right now?

01:02:43.000 So like Michigan could theoretically pass this.

01:02:45.000 And so what you'd really just need is you'd need one wave election where Democrats control a red state at the state level.

01:02:54.000 And then they can just do this.

01:02:56.000 You know, maybe they make slightly more gains in Arizona or they flip North Carolina back somehow.

01:03:01.000 And so they pass that there.

01:03:03.000 They can pretty quickly get to that 270.

01:03:05.000 I think you could debate whether this is constitutional.

01:03:08.000 I think it's possible the Supreme Court would say you can't do this for some reason.

01:03:13.000 Cross that bridge when you get to it.

01:03:15.000 But they definitely have a plan to just blow this up.

01:03:18.000 But we've been away from Mike for a while.

01:03:20.000 So let's, do you have any thoughts on this, Mike?

01:03:23.000 Yeah, I think it's instructive that it was such a big part of the Transition Integrity Project blueprint and that they even contemplated deploying Black Lives Matter street muscle and what kind of favors that the Biden campaign and other stakeholders would need to do to curry favor with the Black Lives Matter street muscle in order to support a call to take to the streets to abolish the Electoral College.

01:03:46.000 I mean, they, they, I mean, and this did not just come from like random people.

01:03:49.000 This came from this came from John Podesta and Bill Crystal and Michael Steele, the former head of the Republican Party, Donna Brazil, the former head of the Democrat Party, as well as a slew of military generals and intelligence folks like Rosa Brooks, who herself was Under Secretary for Defense and was also had a CIA blue badge and teaches courses at Georgetown on how to overthrow governments.

01:04:12.000 You know, democratization studies.

01:04:14.000 That's what that is.

01:04:15.000 It's how to overthrow a government and install a pliant vassal state in the name of democracy.

01:04:21.000 So these are professional regime change artists who have a license to do dirty tricks abroad, who were plotting out in the open how to orchestrate an operation in order to through dirty tricks.

01:04:33.000 And part of that included threatening secession of the Western states, getting, but, you know, basically bringing the, and as they do in a color revolution, having these street protests and organized shutdown of the entire national infrastructure, the highways, the federal buildings, the AFL-CIO would do mass worker strikes to bring the country to a halt until the electoral college reform was passed.

01:04:57.000 So do you think that's the point?

01:04:58.000 And so this is what you're saying that this, sorry, I think I was asking the same question though, but are you saying this is what we could see if this scenario kicks off?

01:05:10.000 If they feel that that is what is necessary to win the election, I would be shocked if it doesn't, if you don't see this exact thing.

01:05:18.000 I'm actually a little bit surprised that this has not been memed with greater intensity over the past several months.

01:05:25.000 If you remember, it was a very high intensity thing to abolish the Electoral College around this time last year.

01:05:32.000 And in the immediate aftermath of the 2016 election, when Norm Eisen was going around and securing something like 15 to 30 different votes to not certify the election of 2016.

01:05:43.000 And, you know, so I'm a little bit surprised.

01:05:46.000 I don't know if it's because the journal bots are all focused on the Trump trials and things like that, that they have not taken the time to set the table about what a threat to democracy, democracy is in the form of the Electoral College.

01:06:03.000 But I do expect that to uptick, especially if they're serious about this.

01:06:07.000 And I want to add in just real quick too, and this is the real danger, too, because we have a lot of states that are red states that have voter initiative, very loose voter initiative laws that allow the voters to send something to the ballot that effectively changes permanently the constitution of their state.

01:06:24.000 And this is an issue that's been a really huge issue in Arizona.

01:06:27.000 Part of the reason why Arizona is where it's at today as being competitive even is because of our very loose voter and voter referendum, voter initiative laws.

01:06:37.000 And a lot of red states have these.

01:06:39.000 And so the way the Democrats are looking at this with MPV, with national popular vote, is, okay, we got to get all of our slam dunks.

01:06:46.000 Like you said, blue states, get them all done, right?

01:06:49.000 And then they just have to spend money one state at a time getting MPV, you know, and they want to be strategic.

01:06:56.000 If it fails, it fails permanently, effectively in a lot of places where initiatives are done wrong.

01:07:01.000 But they still have that very open.

01:07:03.000 And they have loose openings still with Texas, who they, you know, Democrats believe that Texas has, they have a real opportunity to capture Texas long term.

01:07:13.000 As soon as Houston becomes unmanageable for Republicans and conservatives and, you know, Austin and other places in Dallas, parts of Dallas.

01:07:21.000 And so, you know, they're kind of biding their time.

01:07:24.000 This is a long-term strategy that they know they're going to be able to knock off.

01:07:28.000 And there's no going back.

01:07:30.000 You know, once this is done and once this is in the constitutions of these states, this is a massive and really it becomes a constitutional, you know, this is why the Supreme Court matters so much and protecting the Supreme Court and winning this election.

01:07:43.000 An underappreciated thing I do like is if we go to this national popular vote, this back doorway, we would be going to a national popular vote without having an actual centralized like federal definition of, for example, who can vote.

01:07:58.000 Well, that's why they're pushing.

01:07:59.000 I know.

01:08:00.000 So it's crazy because to take over the city.

01:08:03.000 It is, but it's get even wackier than this.

01:08:06.000 What if you say parents can vote for their kids?

01:08:08.000 Or this would be my favorite troll if you did this.

01:08:11.000 They pass this and then you just wait to the last minute again.

01:08:14.000 And then you have Alabama or some red state come out and they say, everyone in our state gets to vote a thousand times and it's a full vote.

01:08:21.000 It's not one thousandth of a vote.

01:08:23.000 You get a thousand votes and you can distribute them however you want, but it's a thousand votes.

01:08:26.000 And you just get to vote however you want for all these candidates.

01:08:29.000 So you can give 800 votes to Trump and 200 to Biden if you know, you're just sort of split between or you can go all a thousand or you can just say, only I only have like a hundred votes I want to give out.

01:08:39.000 Do all of that.

01:08:39.000 But just let everyone vote a gazillion times.

01:08:42.000 And you guys say it's popular vote.

01:08:44.000 Whoever gets the most votes, you have to back.

01:08:46.000 I think you could have so many shenanigans with this.

01:08:50.000 It would be terrible for America, but it would be highly entertaining.

01:08:56.000 Yeah, and I think they define that in the bills too, is that it doesn't matter how you vote.

01:09:01.000 They define it.

01:09:02.000 They define it in all these bills as by voter.

01:09:06.000 Okay.

01:09:07.000 So even with like ranked choice voting, where you actually vote multiple times in a row for, you know, through different processes, they've identified it as, so that, because that's a big question.

01:09:18.000 It's like, well, what if you implement ranked choice voting for presidential?

01:09:22.000 And the argument is you can't, you know, because of the Electoral College.

01:09:26.000 And so that's, they could, they could arguably do it for everything except for federal office because of how the Constitution is written.

01:09:32.000 But this is, this is, you know, we start getting into all these wonky things.

01:09:36.000 And this is where, you know, it's really simple.

01:09:39.000 You know, not, this is not complicated.

01:09:41.000 What the left has done to try to eradicate basic, well-known, well-understood methods of civic engagement, which is voting, you know, learning how to run for office, do these things.

01:09:55.000 They've made it in the last five years so complex, so confusing, intentionally, that average people who don't know, already don't know anything about the Electoral College now are even more flustered because there's all these different things happening between technology and now processes.

01:10:13.000 That they're, and that is the intent.

01:10:14.000 Right, we know that's the intent, we know that's what's written we we're, we've seen what they've, they've tried to do.

01:10:19.000 That's the playbook and that is the destruction of America.

01:10:22.000 And we're not doing a good enough job at framing that conversation as conservatives, because we are losing our country right from underneath us on that issue.

01:10:30.000 Well, I have a way potentially, for us to frame things a little better as conservatives, because we're all going to be hosting a get-together Tyler, in fact, is going to be hosting it in this june 14th to 16th Detroit, Michigan Du Trois.

01:10:48.000 It is the People's Convention.

01:10:51.000 Everybody's got to go and get this Tbaction.com slash peoples plural with an s.

01:10:56.000 We've got, of course, president Donald J Trump leading things up, Vigorouswami dr Ben Carson, Steve Bannon, Donald Trump Jr, Charlie Kirk Tulsi Gabbard Christy Noam Candis Owens, Laura Trump myself, senator Rick Scott, Benny Johnson, Bishop already shines Kimberly Guilfoy, congressman Lee Zeldon, congressman Matt Gates, Brandon Tatum, congressman Eli Creen and congressman Eric Brillison.

01:11:19.000 I believe Roger Stone is also going to be there.

01:11:21.000 I'm going to be doing my book launch of Unhumans at this thing.

01:11:25.000 It's going to be incredible, Tyler.

01:11:27.000 What is the importance of the People's convention before we get to our last, our very last uh, our very last topic?

01:11:35.000 Uh, Tyler has to leave in a sec type.

01:11:37.000 You have to stay.

01:11:38.000 You have to tell us about the People's convention and why it's important.

01:11:40.000 People trying to get out.

01:11:41.000 No, we are getting there completely, just so.

01:11:44.000 You know this is going to be bigger than the Rc convention.

01:11:47.000 We're inviting everybody uh, so you don't have to be uh, you know, elected and you know this, the pomp and circumstance of all that stuff.

01:11:56.000 Everybody can come and so we're excited about this thing because we've got everybody coming and you know what our team has put together.

01:12:04.000 You, you just wait.

01:12:05.000 It's going to be incredible.

01:12:07.000 Uh, with the, the backdrop.

01:12:09.000 We obviously do our events right.

01:12:10.000 Those that have been to our events have seen it.

01:12:13.000 You know the uh, you know, if you go to Posto's page, you can see the backdrop.

01:12:19.000 I think you're, I think your header image right.

01:12:21.000 Jack is, uh is at one of our events.

01:12:24.000 So it's gonna be a lot of fun, some tricks up our sleeve and the speech of the century from the president type, i'm thinking.

01:12:31.000 I'm thinking we might need, if he's available, a certain, a certain executive director of the Foundation FOR Freedom Online, maybe special vip.

01:12:39.000 What are you thinking?

01:12:42.000 Special vip?

01:12:43.000 Mike Benz?

01:12:44.000 Benz, what do you say you in?

01:12:45.000 Man Benz?

01:12:45.000 I think you're, I think you're muted.

01:12:47.000 Oh yes sorry, I was muted, I was, I couldn't contain the excitement.

01:12:50.000 Yeah no I uh, i've seen, i've seen those.

01:12:52.000 Those TP USA parties look like a lot of fun.

01:12:54.000 I've been uh, i've been waiting to go to one for a while.

01:12:56.000 So put me in, coach.

01:12:58.000 No, let's get you in. 0.93

01:12:59.000 TP action, tp action.

01:13:01.000 By the way, lawyers out there, this is our c4, this is our c4.

01:13:05.000 This is definitely not our c3.

01:13:06.000 We would never dream of cross-mingling or cross-pollinating any of that.

01:13:10.000 No, but I think uh yeah, if you're not Democrats, never break rules about you know which way, Do whatever.

01:13:16.000 This is turning point.

01:13:17.000 Speaking of Democrats.

01:13:19.000 So, speaking of Democrats and liberals breaking rules, Blake, I'm going to have to ask you to bring up our final topic of the evening.

01:13:27.000 Okay, we're going to have a quick blitz.

01:13:29.000 We're going to be reacting to like three pretty brisk things here, but it's important that we be able to react to all of them.

01:13:34.000 So, first of all, we want to warn you, this is not, you're going to think this is a story you heard from a month ago, but it's actually not.

01:13:44.000 And so, this is brace yourself.

01:13:47.000 Just play 163.

01:13:54.000 Yeah, there we go.

01:13:54.000 Do we have that?

01:13:57.000 Yeah, if you've got kids watching right now, yeah, get them out of here.

01:14:02.000 So, mercifully, there's no sound here, but I don't think it leaves too much to the imagination.

01:14:05.000 That is German politician Martin Neumeier.

01:14:09.000 He's a member of the Free Democrat Party.

01:14:12.000 They're not the same thing as the Democrat Party of the United States, but you know, spiritually, they live a lot.

01:14:19.000 So, what he's doing is he's licking a toilet brush there and looking at toilet.

01:14:23.000 He's very into various toilet-related adventures.

01:14:27.000 That is a political candidate in the country of Germany, which is funny by itself, but it's extra funny because a socialist politician in Spain, not even a month ago, was caught with his own.

01:14:40.000 He was like making videos of himself eating a certain bodily excretion.

01:14:48.000 And so, you know, was this the same guy that was covered in Feces 2?

01:14:53.000 This one, this guy was making himself beards of like we did it, boys.

01:14:59.000 We have memed into reality.

01:15:02.000 Yes, yes, we have.

01:15:05.000 It's all been true.

01:15:07.000 4chan always wins.

01:15:09.000 4chan always wins.

01:15:12.000 And so, it's, you know, it's, I, I, they always say we should be open about what we are.

01:15:17.000 And I guess we made the world, you know, the left.

01:15:20.000 I just want to point this out too. 0.99

01:15:22.000 I mean, and again, I hate being, you know, there's lots of things that we can be extraordinarily condescending to Americans about, but Europeans and public bathrooms, they have, I mean, these are the worst, the worst. 0.99

01:15:39.000 I mean, this is losing it right now. 1.00

01:15:42.000 For Americans, like, it would be one thing to lick an American toilet, but it's pretty clean.

01:15:48.000 If you go to Europe, I mean, sometimes there's just a literal hole in the ground.

01:15:51.000 So, this guy, how's this guy going to?

01:15:54.000 I don't even know how he's still alive, to be honest with you.

01:15:56.000 But I do want to say the numbers, the chat, you know, the viewership is going up as we're playing this.

01:16:03.000 So, you know, you guys are complaining, but at the same time, it's so disagreeable.

01:16:11.000 Can I like, can I like, you know, do I have the ability to like lock that?

01:16:15.000 It like makes me want to throw up. 1.00

01:16:16.000 I actually, it's like, I can't handle women when my dog craps. 0.98

01:16:22.000 And like, I wake up and like my dog's crapped in my kitchen. 0.77

01:16:25.000 I like, I'm like, I literally like start like, my, my wife can hear me.

01:16:29.000 She was like, there, I was like, stop being from CR for Freedom.

01:16:34.000 We put old Yeller down, put him down. 0.99

01:16:37.000 I think he's trying to put himself down, but maybe the Germans are going to be. 1.00

01:16:44.000 Okay, okay, all right. 1.00

01:16:45.000 Lightning round is weird.

01:16:46.000 Lightning round.

01:16:48.000 Next bit is going to be is going to be way better.

01:16:51.000 The next bit is we have to react to this one instead.

01:16:55.000 Let's play 162. 0.89

01:16:59.000 The paparazzi really are everywhere.

01:17:01.000 Everything you were told as a kid is wrong.

01:17:03.000 You make me want to say that. 1.00

01:17:04.000 Gay penguins, bisexual lions, sex-changing clownfish. 1.00

01:17:09.000 This is a queer planet. 1.00

01:17:11.000 Queenus has always existed.

01:17:13.000 It's, I mean, in humans that we have such a stigma about it.

01:17:16.000 The idea of just having two fixed sexes is clearly out of style.

01:17:22.000 Mother Nature is pretty open-minded.

01:17:26.000 Sex is not just for reproduction. 1.00

01:17:29.000 It's clear that no matter where you look on our planet, nature is full of queer surprises. 1.00

01:17:36.000 To be honest, we should all probably get laid a little more than we do. 1.00

01:17:41.000 You know, the most disgusting part, this is an NBC documentary called Queer Planet and CR for Freedom hitting another home run. 1.00

01:17:48.000 They're turning the frogs gay. 1.00

01:17:50.000 They're turning every animal. 1.00

01:17:51.000 They're turning the freaking frogs. 1.00

01:17:52.000 The craziest thing is the gayest part of that ad, or like the grossest part, was like that flower blowing up. 0.99

01:17:59.000 There was a lot of subtext to that one. 1.00

01:18:03.000 But man, they're going to gay up everything, man. 1.00

01:18:07.000 They're going to... 1.00

01:18:08.000 The animals are queer. 1.00

01:18:10.000 I remember, you know, at like National Geographic would just kind of show. 1.00

01:18:15.000 I don't know.

01:18:16.000 Like, here's my question.

01:18:17.000 You know, so you've got to be in the wild for a while.

01:18:20.000 Like when they did the first Planet Earth documentary, which is BBC, I know it wasn't Nestographic, but it was BBC.

01:18:26.000 Didn't they spend like five years getting all that footage, like the incredible footage that they have, like all over the world?

01:18:31.000 My question is, how long did it take them to find that footage of the lions?

01:18:36.000 And here's my thought crime.

01:18:37.000 Did they do something to potentially like, you know, entice?

01:18:43.000 Yeah.

01:18:44.000 Did they do something to make that scene take place?

01:18:48.000 Oh.

01:18:49.000 Oh. 0.99

01:18:50.000 It's weird looking at this too, because we're so far past gay and lesbian in like the current LGBT thing. 1.00

01:18:58.000 It's almost quaint. 0.99

01:18:59.000 You know, my experience watching that ad was like, oh yeah, I remember gay and lesbian. 0.91

01:19:05.000 Like the transgender stuff has like the artificial monstrosity castration of children thing has like so dominated the front, you know, kind of like what the identity of the queer movement is for since gay and lesbian have been accepted for so long now in terms of where the battleground is in the in the culture wars. 0.69

01:19:29.000 Like everything has moved into the transgender thing. 0.94

01:19:31.000 I don't even remember the last time that I met a red-blooded lesbian, so to speak. 1.00

01:19:36.000 It seems like the transgender market has almost eaten into the traditional just kind of gay market because now there's just such a big move into the trans thing, which is the farthest thing from the natural habitat of the savannah. 1.00

01:19:53.000 I mean, this is like artificial, you know, mad scientist stuff. 1.00

01:19:57.000 So, you know, I actually am not sure that that piece of propaganda is going to serve its intended purpose.

01:20:03.000 All right.

01:20:04.000 Andrew's telling us we should play 179. 0.56

01:20:07.000 This is an actress, actor Elliot Page, formerly Ellen from that movie Juno, talking about everything's queer now. 0.98

01:20:15.000 It's like not even cool anymore. 0.98

01:20:17.000 So let's play that.

01:20:18.000 It's often called like niche.

01:20:19.000 You know, queer things niche.

01:20:22.000 30% of young people identify as LGBTQ plus.

01:20:25.000 So I'm like, I'm sorry, this is not niche.

01:20:27.000 You tell really specific stories about like cishet people.

01:20:31.000 I'm not calling that odd plot niche.

01:20:35.000 Thank you.

01:20:36.000 Is she is she like tweaking there or something?

01:20:40.000 She's very jumpy. 1.00

01:20:42.000 I just want to say that, you know, Elliot, you know, Elliot Page, wow, just really a success story in the trans movement. 0.99

01:20:51.000 Probably one of their greatest successes that we've seen.

01:20:54.000 Just someone who's clearly very well adjusted, is taking everything absolutely in stride. 0.66

01:21:01.000 You know, obviously seeing her slash his career skyrocket from this, you know, want to go, Zur ought to give Zerself a pat on the back. 0.77

01:21:11.000 Really should. 0.92

01:21:12.000 Really should.

01:21:14.000 Yeah, you know, and a lot of this is connected to the other identity issues.

01:21:17.000 You know, the fact is, is, I mean, you see so much of what's happening right now with the, you know, the kind of privileged Pokemon point thing and the need to sort of evade the identity of being, you know, a sort of heteronormative or a sort of white, you know, anything that gets you farther from the identity of the disadvantaged groups.

01:21:38.000 I mean, this is, it gets you.

01:21:40.000 It gets you accepted into college at a higher rate.

01:21:42.000 It gets you a more high paying job.

01:21:44.000 It moves you up the ladder.

01:21:45.000 It allows you to bring all sorts of windfall lawsuits because now you're a protected class.

01:21:50.000 It makes you harder to fire because they don't want to risk those lawsuits.

01:21:54.000 It gives you, it gives you cache.

01:21:55.000 You are now qualify for all the different government grants and programs that are only accessible to you if you have, if you have something, some flavor to you that allows you to access, you know, privilege in the actual sense of that.

01:22:11.000 And so I think that she's not necessarily entirely wrong with like everything's moving to that direction now because this is it.

01:22:17.000 This is in the schools at so young an age.

01:22:19.000 And people, as they're developing their identity, know who the good guys and the bad guys are, so to speak, from everything that they are indoctrinated to read. 0.81

01:22:27.000 And so they're rushing to be one of the good guys to like join some sort of queer thing. 0.86

01:22:31.000 That's actually what I think is behind bisexuality at such a high rate, according to these things. 0.89

01:22:36.000 I think a lot of straight people are basically saying, well, you know what? 0.82

01:22:39.000 I'm kind of bi, I guess, just so they don't need to necessarily lop off their private parts, but they can still get some of those Pokemon points.

01:22:47.000 I just feel like, especially that page, the video, I just like, one, it's fun to imagine taking that video even 30 years ago and saying like, this is the future. 1.00

01:22:59.000 And this, but I also just feel like in 30 years or so, like, we'll look back and this will be one of those videos like they take it out of context and they'll just say, yeah, so there was like a 10-year period a long time ago where everyone was gay and they were all super crazy. 0.76

01:23:13.000 Like they'll totally overblow. 0.87

01:23:15.000 Like it's all, it's too common as it is, but they'll make it even more common.

01:23:20.000 And we'll all like have to defend ourselves and we'll just be like, no, no, I wasn't like that.

01:23:25.000 You're overwhelming.

01:23:26.000 And they'll be like, no, look at this video. 0.98

01:23:27.000 There's everyone was gay then. 0.73

01:23:29.000 For 10 years, everyone was gay. 0.79

01:23:30.000 Well, the thing, the thing as well about Ellen Page is that in when he, her, I don't even remember what I'm supposed to say anymore, whatever. 0.81

01:23:38.000 But when she put out that book, Page Boy, does everybody remember this?

01:23:42.000 This was like the memoir.

01:23:43.000 This was the explanation.

01:23:44.000 And the idea was like, oh, this is why I came about with this.

01:23:49.000 So she goes in and talks about actually being sexually abused by directors.

01:23:54.000 And obviously there were a lot of, there's a lot of stories involving Brian Singer, the X-Men director, the original X-Men director.

01:24:03.000 And so there were definitely issues with this.

01:24:06.000 And so, but then the next thing is like, oh, and then I went to therapy and they said I should do this immediately.

01:24:11.000 It's like, whoa, wait a minute.

01:24:13.000 Like something horrifically traumatic happens to you.

01:24:16.000 And that's initially what these therapists start, you know, start saying is, you know, what you should do is something that's potentially even more physically and mentally traumatic than the thing that already happened to you, as if that's going to help you out.

01:24:29.000 And I look, I'm sorry, you know, I was joking about it before, but we've seen some of the pictures, we've seen some of the images.

01:24:35.000 This is obviously someone who is not well.

01:24:37.000 This is someone who's not well mentally.

01:24:39.000 This is someone who's not clearly not well physically, not well spiritually.

01:24:43.000 And of course, someone who went through a lot and somehow the answer of that is like, oh, you should go and perform non, you know, non-adjustable permanent surgery to yourself.

01:24:57.000 And in Peru, yeah, producer, producer Andrew's in the chat in Peru, they just declared this a mental illness.

01:25:04.000 Though I'm told that the leader of Peru is kind of a leftist to begin with.

01:25:08.000 And so, so, yeah.

01:25:10.000 So, yeah, this is weird.

01:25:11.000 Final thoughts, everybody, because last one we have to weigh in.

01:25:11.000 I don't know.

01:25:16.000 We have one more.

01:25:16.000 Our final thing is we have what's the number here: 171.

01:25:23.000 We have to pass final judgment on the weird Dark Souls-looking painting of King Charles.

01:25:29.000 171.

01:25:31.000 Bring it up.

01:25:34.000 Are they going to?

01:25:35.000 All right.

01:25:35.000 There we go.

01:25:36.000 So you can see that as the disembodied head of King Charles atop his red outfit with a background of slightly lighter red.

01:25:44.000 If you also, if you mirror, reverse it, and put it next to each other, it's kind of like a demon head on it.

01:25:49.000 It's all kind of, it's all kind of strange.

01:25:52.000 Do we have that one of it mirrored?

01:25:54.000 I don't have that off the top.

01:25:56.000 I just saw that on like, unfortunately.

01:25:59.000 That's been floating around.

01:26:00.000 Bannon posted it too.

01:26:02.000 That, I mean, that thing, it's, it's, it's actually like, I, I don't know, right?

01:26:07.000 You know, you see stuff like this and you're like, oh, no, they're, they're, they're not messing with us.

01:26:13.000 They're not putting up symbology.

01:26:15.000 And people are out there going, no, no, no, this is totally normal.

01:26:18.000 And then you see something like this and you're just like, I give up, man. 0.99

01:26:21.000 They're all just demon worshipers. 0.97

01:26:22.000 I give up. 0.99

01:26:23.000 I can't do it.

01:26:24.000 I can't do it.

01:26:25.000 Yeah.

01:26:25.000 I feel bad because, oh, oh, you can go, Mike.

01:26:29.000 Can you go to YouTube or just even Google image this?

01:26:32.000 And YouTube, type in Ghostbusters, Vigo the Destroyer.

01:26:38.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:26:39.000 And tell me that look literally exactly like, oh, really?

01:26:45.000 Ghostbusters.

01:26:45.000 Yeah.

01:26:47.000 It's this is this is Vigo the destroyer.

01:26:49.000 Like this is the uh, you know, the royal aristocrat caked in goo coming out of the painting, you know, and this, and it kind of is if you think about it.

01:27:01.000 There are thousands of pictures of like European royals and European royal families going back, you know, hundreds of years that have been preserved for like over the centuries.

01:27:11.000 None of them looked like this.

01:27:13.000 It's like, it's like, you know, he's either on the throne or they're like, they're out hunting with the, with the, you know, the hound dogs and they're chasing a fox or something.

01:27:21.000 It's like a nice classical portrait or whatever.

01:27:24.000 No, this, it's like, it's like, no, I'm sorry.

01:27:27.000 Like, I, I, you know, the British royal family and all the stuff they say, you know, I don't know.

01:27:31.000 What am I supposed to say?

01:27:34.000 Someone's telling me how to say it's too bad to me because King Charles actually is, he's relatively traditional in aesthetics.

01:27:41.000 He's been, he's done a lot of campaigning against bad architecture in the UK.

01:27:45.000 He's a big supporter of like classical like house architecture, classical garden design.

01:27:52.000 He'll write forwards to books about this and stuff.

01:27:54.000 Like he's not this, I mean, he's the king of England. 0.85

01:27:57.000 He's not a Philistine who just easily follows like dom artistic trends.

01:28:02.000 So controversial take.

01:28:04.000 While that stuff is really disturbing, look at that.

01:28:07.000 It's really weird when you do that.

01:28:09.000 I do think that is actually like a coincidence.

01:28:14.000 I don't love the painting.

01:28:16.000 I don't love the painting.

01:28:18.000 Okay.

01:28:19.000 It is definitely pretty.

01:28:20.000 So Ben's Blake is pretty anti-conscious.

01:28:23.000 It's a better than the Obama conspiracies, but then you say something like this and it's just like it's better than the Obama painting with the leaves.

01:28:35.000 That painting was worse.

01:28:38.000 This one.

01:28:40.000 But that was just weird.

01:28:41.000 This is like, I'm looking like, I kind of want, I actually have the darkest problem.

01:28:45.000 Well, no, I mean, the Obama one, the Obama one had demonic elements to it.

01:28:49.000 There, you know, there was the person in it, you know.

01:28:53.000 This is play 182, by the way.

01:28:55.000 We've got, we've got, we've got what Benz was just asking for.

01:28:59.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:29:01.000 It's, you know, he's like coming out of the painting.

01:29:04.000 And the other thing is, in Ghostbusters, the end of the movie, there's the pink slime that comes down around him.

01:29:09.000 If you remember, it's the pink slime takes over the museum.

01:29:12.000 So, so you know, our good king over here is like in the slime of it, as I see.

01:29:20.000 By the way, Vigo the Conqueror, also, also, right? 1.00

01:29:25.000 He's he's Eastern European.

01:29:27.000 That's Eastern Europe again.

01:29:28.000 That's the border region with Ukraine.

01:29:30.000 So, Ben's Benz has shown us how it all goes back.

01:29:34.000 He wanted us to know.

01:29:35.000 He wanted us, he wanted us to see what he was doing. 0.54

01:29:38.000 Before we go, put up, I think it's 183, the Obama one.

01:29:41.000 I just want people to see it.

01:29:43.000 If you look close, what's also great about it is it's weird looking, but like the painter is not very good.

01:29:48.000 Like, the chairs' proportions don't work out.

01:29:51.000 Like, the parts that are behind Obama, like it doesn't, it is not a normal chair.

01:29:55.000 It's like he's on top of two half chairs.

01:29:57.000 It's really funny, even and like his left foot doesn't really seem to be connected to his left leg.

01:30:03.000 Yeah, that's, yeah, yeah, that's like AI-generated thing where it like screws up the fingers.

01:30:08.000 You know, it's got that going on with the feet.

01:30:10.000 It almost looks like he's wearing high heels because of that.

01:30:13.000 I mean, yeah, this is just John.

01:30:16.000 And there's like there's a part of his sleeve that's like colored differently, and the outline of what's colored differently.

01:30:21.000 I don't even want to describe for people because we're already in trouble for what we've covered here.

01:30:26.000 But, yeah, so I would at least say I'll take King Charles's portrait over this.

01:30:31.000 So, we're still, we're losing the portrait battle to the UK, even with the new King Charles painting.

01:30:37.000 So, do you think this is like, this is like, let's go, let's go full conspiracy theorist now.

01:30:41.000 So, this is like, this is like the Illuminati signaling the Freemasons, you know, in the great overstate war that's going on.

01:30:49.000 You know, there's, there's, there's different symbols in this that we can't perceive, but it's, it's clearly, it's clearly something that's going back and forth.

01:30:58.000 Yeah, or it's like a thought piece thing, you know, like a Janet Jackson pop a nipple out kind of thing.

01:31:02.000 It's like, ooh, look, see, this thing's a little funky.

01:31:05.000 It's a little weird.

01:31:06.000 You know, maybe it'll pop up.

01:31:07.000 Maybe we'll get more than seven reasons.

01:31:11.000 Is Joe Biden's official painting just going to be like him eating a giant cheese pizza?

01:31:15.000 And then they'll just be like, yeah, that's, that's what our painting is for Joe Biden.

01:31:19.000 Yeah.

01:31:19.000 It's him licking an eye.

01:31:21.000 Completely insane. 0.98

01:31:23.000 All right. 0.90

01:31:23.000 We're, we're, we're all going to be destroyed now. 0.90

01:31:26.000 Um, uh, Mike Benz, thank you for joining us here on Thought Crime Thursday.

01:31:31.000 Let people know your coordinates.

01:31:33.000 I'm on X at Mike Ben Cyber.

01:31:35.000 Also, I have a Rumble account, Mike Ben Cyber.

01:31:37.000 Also, my foundation is foundation for freedom online.com.

01:31:39.000 Thank you guys very much for having me.

01:31:41.000 Have a great night.

01:31:42.000 It was awesome.

01:31:43.000 Love the chat.

01:31:43.000 Blake, yourself?

01:31:44.000 I guess you don't really have Cordon's, do you, Blake?

01:31:46.000 No, I, I, you can find me here.

01:31:51.000 We find you here.

01:31:52.000 I'm at Jack Pasobic.

01:31:53.000 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, keep committing more thought crimes. 0.97

01:31:59.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:32:01.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:32:03.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

01:32:07.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 18, 2024

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 45 — Is Doxxing Dead? Poo-Loving Libs? A 2024 Tie?

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