The Charlie Kirk Show - ThoughtCrime Ep. 5: Andrew Tate - Pimp or Prophet?, The Corn God, Jonah Hill's Bad Breakup

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, happy Saturday thought crimes with James Lindsay, Jack Pesobic, and Blake Neff.

00:00:06.000 We talk about Jonah Hill, Andrew Tate, Ron DeSantis.

00:00:11.000 We take questions from our live audience, our Turning Point USA chapter leadership audience, and corn.

00:00:17.000 That's right.

00:00:18.000 One of the most controversial takes ever in the history of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:23.000 Corn.

00:00:24.000 Now, before I get angry emails and all caps from people from the beautiful state of North Dakota, Iowa, and South Dakota, I love corn farmers.

00:00:32.000 I do think that we have too much corn in our diet.

00:00:35.000 And if you disagree, tell me why corn has a great nutritional upside.

00:00:40.000 Because I could just start to see the emails.

00:00:41.000 I have great respect for corn farmers, people that also raise cows.

00:00:45.000 Tough.

00:00:45.000 We need more cows, more meat.

00:00:47.000 Corn?

00:00:48.000 Not so much.

00:00:49.000 We love farmers.

00:00:51.000 Just corn itself needs a vast reconsideration.

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00:01:07.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:01:08.000 Here we go.

00:01:09.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:01:11.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

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00:01:20.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:01:21.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:01:22.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

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00:01:53.000 Our live studio audience here from our Turning Point USA Chapter Leadership Summit.

00:01:57.000 Yeah, please clap, as Jeb would say.

00:01:59.000 Thought crime live!

00:02:01.000 Thought crime live!

00:02:02.000 We have the Jeb Bush energy going on here.

00:02:06.000 Jack Pesovic.

00:02:08.000 Please clap.

00:02:09.000 Please clap.

00:02:11.000 I don't know why Jeb is Fauci, but Jeb is Fauci now.

00:02:14.000 Speaking of Jeb Bush energy, I just had, I was looking at my phone because I had to block Doug Bergham messages due to this $20 giveaway.

00:02:21.000 What is that all about?

00:02:22.000 Have you guys seen this where Doug Bergh is saying if you give a dollar, you get a $20 gift card?

00:02:28.000 Wasn't this because Vivek is doing like you get 10% if you're in like a certain club or something, right?

00:02:34.000 It's like a membership club.

00:02:35.000 I don't know how it's legal and campaign finance to bribe people to be able to become small dollar donors.

00:02:41.000 None of these people will remember, but the best way to do this was just what George W. Bush did, where if you raise $100,000, he just calls you a Maverick or whatever.

00:02:49.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, like different titles.

00:02:50.000 That was Cain. 1.00

00:02:51.000 No, McCain was the Maverick, but you got the stupid title if you donated to W. Bush. 1.00

00:02:56.000 He gave you stupid cowboy things like you were in a Western. 1.00

00:02:59.000 I want to introduce James Lindsay, the great James Lindsay, everybody. 1.00

00:02:59.000 So close. 1.00

00:03:02.000 He has his OK Groomer t-shirt.

00:03:06.000 Okay, groomer.

00:03:07.000 Welcome, James.

00:03:07.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:03:09.000 So we're going to have some fun here, and we have some topics.

00:03:12.000 Now, this show is a little bit different than the traditional Charlie Kirk show, which thank you guys for all subscribing.

00:03:18.000 We'll be announcing our people soon.

00:03:21.000 This show, Jack and I co-host it every week on Rumble.

00:03:24.000 All of you should download the Rumble app, by the way, if you haven't already.

00:03:27.000 And we talk about topics that, Jack, how would we say this?

00:03:31.000 Are not always discussed?

00:03:33.000 Well, it's sort of like, you know, we each do news shows basically on political shows every day of the week.

00:03:41.000 And there's always certain topics that aren't necessarily in the news cycle or topics, by the way, that may be in the news cycle, but you can really only talk about them on Rumble because they are inherently thought crimes.

00:03:56.000 They are thought crimes.

00:03:57.000 So what have we done so far?

00:03:58.000 We've done fire alarms?

00:03:59.000 We've done fire alarms.

00:04:00.000 Right.

00:04:01.000 Well, smoke detectors.

00:04:02.000 Yeah, the smoke detector.

00:04:03.000 Trip. 1.00

00:04:04.000 The idea that a certain segment of the population, like Joy Reed, who are idiots, have no ability to actually change the battery. 0.99

00:04:15.000 We've also done bonus holes. 0.99

00:04:16.000 We've done glory holes.

00:04:17.000 We've done the bonus holes.

00:04:18.000 We've done the glory holes.

00:04:20.000 Every week gives us a new hole that Charlie's not familiar with.

00:04:24.000 I'm like, I'm the home, I'm the representative of the homeschool audience, right?

00:04:27.000 I don't know any, right?

00:04:28.000 I don't know any of this stuff.

00:04:29.000 People thought that this was like Charlie doing a bit, and I'm sitting there like, no, Charlie really doesn't know what I'm talking about.

00:04:35.000 The homeschool to whole school.

00:04:38.000 You want to learn a new homeschool to whole school.

00:04:40.000 Okay.

00:04:42.000 This is the opposite of Leviticus.

00:04:44.000 It's the opposite.

00:04:45.000 It is definitely the opposite of the Levitical purity laws.

00:04:48.000 Do you want to learn a new word?

00:04:50.000 I would love a new word, James. 1.00

00:04:51.000 Universal vagina. 0.99

00:04:53.000 What is that? 1.00

00:04:54.000 What do you think it is?

00:04:54.000 It's like a universal remote, maybe?

00:04:56.000 Well, everybody has one.

00:04:58.000 It's like opinions.

00:04:59.000 Everybody has one.

00:05:00.000 Oh, okay.

00:05:02.000 That's a woke term.

00:05:03.000 Is that right?

00:05:04.000 That's a trans activism term. 1.00

00:05:06.000 Yeah, the universal vagina. 1.00

00:05:07.000 You're starting to get an idea of it. 1.00

00:05:10.000 Always from, and I will say, we always try to bring it back to virtue and back to goodness.

00:05:16.000 I'm just over here trying to get you to respect the science, Charlie.

00:05:18.000 Yeah, and to trust the science.

00:05:20.000 Our first topic today, though, we try to keep it somewhat structure, else we'll never get anything done here.

00:05:24.000 Our first topic is Andrew Tate.

00:05:26.000 I'm curious, what is your opinion on Andrew Tate?

00:05:30.000 Raise your hand if it's positive.

00:05:32.000 Raise your hand if it's negative.

00:05:32.000 Okay.

00:05:34.000 Okay, it's about 50-50.

00:05:35.000 Pretty split crowds.

00:05:36.000 I'm not an apologist for Andrew Tate.

00:05:38.000 This is how out of touch I am with this stuff because I'm too busy actually studying things that matter.

00:05:43.000 What did I say in the group chat two or three days ago, Jack?

00:05:46.000 Who is Andrew Tate?

00:05:47.000 You said, who's Andrew Tate?

00:05:48.000 I didn't say it that bluntly.

00:05:49.000 I said, I don't, what is the deal here?

00:05:50.000 Yeah, you said, you said, I heard about this guy, but you didn't know what he was about, and you didn't know why he was so popular and so much being shared to the point where, in at least one point of 2022, he was the most Googled man in the entire world.

00:06:08.000 At least according to Andrew Tate.

00:06:10.000 Yes.

00:06:11.000 And so, you know, I recently caught a little bit of his discussion with Patrick Bett David, like a couple minutes.

00:06:17.000 But then when Tucker sat down with him, I said, okay, I'm going to try to figure out what he's all about.

00:06:21.000 So, understand, Andrew Tate is accused of sex trafficking, and he pretty much framed it in a rather deceiving way.

00:06:30.000 Would you say that's fair, Blake, with Tucker?

00:06:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:33.000 He's very much a talk video.

00:06:35.000 I'm just Al Capone.

00:06:36.000 I'm indicted for tax stuff, really.

00:06:38.000 Yeah, I mean, so, but then also, he's also accused of rape.

00:06:41.000 He didn't mention that with Tucker.

00:06:42.000 However, I will say this, and I want to discuss this: being a first-time viewer and consumer of Andrew Tate, and the other thing is he allegedly ran a cam girl business.

00:06:50.000 Is that allegedly, or that's legit?

00:06:53.000 His website is like, I got rich running a cam girl business.

00:06:56.000 That I find reprehensible.

00:06:57.000 But the point, putting that, and you could factor it however you want, how important that is not.

00:07:02.000 Listening to him with Tucker for an hour and a half, two hours, I finally, it clicked.

00:07:07.000 Okay, now I see why he's popular.

00:07:09.000 He's very smart.

00:07:10.000 He knows what he's doing.

00:07:12.000 And Jack, as you said, he's kind of playing a part of alpha male, perfect posture, kickboxer.

00:07:17.000 And he is hitting on something that you're not allowed to say where there's a lot of truth to it.

00:07:22.000 Well, Charlie, it's similar to what you talk about all the time: this sort of we've become a society of the men without chests.

00:07:32.000 We raise boys to be meek and timid and listen to the consensus and seek the committee assignment rather than to be bold, strong, and assertive.

00:07:45.000 And then along comes a guy like Tate who says, I'm going to break all the rules and I'm going to make money and I'm going to be with God is not happy with lots of women.

00:07:53.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:07:54.000 God is not happy with the discussion tonight.

00:07:57.000 But that's all right, because we're all prayer warriors up here.

00:07:59.000 Well, at least two of us.

00:08:00.000 And we can talk about that later, too.

00:08:04.000 Then it gets into this, it's essentially filling a niche, right?

00:08:09.000 It's a niche that society doesn't have.

00:08:11.000 And yet, at the same time, for a lot of young, predominantly men, it's someone for them to look to glom onto, saying this is a path forward that doesn't pertain to all the insanity that we see going on, whether it be in Disney, whether it be in schools, etc.

00:08:28.000 So I want to ask how many of you knew about Andrew Tate like a year ago.

00:08:31.000 How many, raise your hand.

00:08:32.000 Okay, wow.

00:08:33.000 I mean, so you got, how many of you are on TikTok regularly?

00:08:36.000 Raise your hand.

00:08:37.000 Okay, so they must have found him on some other platform.

00:08:39.000 No judgment.

00:08:39.000 What other platform was he popular with?

00:08:41.000 Well, he was really good at.

00:08:42.000 He basically took viral celebrity status and turned it into a multi-level marketing thing.

00:08:49.000 So you would gain status in the Andrew Tate cult, for lack of a better term, by sharing his video clips.

00:08:57.000 So it wouldn't even be that he had one account that he would share stuff on.

00:09:01.000 It would be that 10,000 accounts were all sharing Andrew Tate clips.

00:09:07.000 So, but then, okay, so, but does it then reach the threshold?

00:09:12.000 He had virality beyond imagination, talking about what exactly that men need to be men, men need to learn how to say no, take responsibility.

00:09:20.000 But then James, he got canceled from the internet in a way that only Alex Jones and Donald Trump have before, which was multi-institutional, multi-company, multi-government deplatforming instantaneously.

00:09:32.000 Why do you think that was?

00:09:34.000 I mean, I think you guys tapped on it.

00:09:35.000 He's talking about things you're not allowed to talk about when you have that level of notoriety, that level of reach.

00:09:42.000 And I say this as not only a non-Andrew Tate fan personally, but somebody who is very much like, who is Andrew Tate?

00:09:48.000 Yeah, that's kind of my attitude.

00:09:50.000 But like, somebody talked about it on a lot, you know, it got big last year, and I was like, is he that guy that said that stuff about COVID that nobody was allowed to say?

00:09:58.000 Is that why he's famous?

00:09:59.000 Who is he?

00:09:59.000 And it's like, he always a kickboxer.

00:10:01.000 I don't know who this is.

00:10:02.000 No, he was big on, there were some COVID times.

00:10:04.000 Yeah, didn't he have like a viral video about it?

00:10:06.000 He had a viral video on COVID.

00:10:09.000 He also got big in crypto because he actually accurately predicted the bottom of Bitcoin, bought in when everybody else was getting out, made a ton of money on that with COVID, always was extremely outspoken.

00:10:23.000 And then when he got, you know, he was diagnosed with COVID, he caught it.

00:10:27.000 He then posted a video the next day of doing like 100 push-ups, you know, having this huge response to it, et cetera, et cetera.

00:10:34.000 No, so he's like the perfect character, though.

00:10:36.000 This is really actually important, Charlie.

00:10:38.000 Your question gets right to it.

00:10:39.000 So you have somebody who's saying important truths, who's obviously controversial, who's obviously also in certain ways crossing lines.

00:10:46.000 And I mean, transgressing lines, not saying taboo things.

00:10:50.000 And that makes your perfect Alex Jones test case. 0.91

00:10:54.000 That's why when Alex Jones got kicked off social media, everybody was like, yeah, finally, he's crazy.

00:11:00.000 He's saying crazy stuff.

00:11:02.000 And we all started to celebrate our demise.

00:11:04.000 So this is the way that they build the case to start deplatforming people, is they take a controversial edge case where some people are like, oh, yeah, he's got to go.

00:11:13.000 He's over the line.

00:11:14.000 And other people are like, I think what he's saying is really important.

00:11:16.000 We've got to argue for it.

00:11:17.000 That is like bread and butter leftist dialectical warfare space right there.

00:11:24.000 Because everybody's going to fight.

00:11:25.000 It's going to turn to a huge controversy.

00:11:27.000 That there's a controversy.

00:11:28.000 And then they're going to use that to point it and say, you know, well, this is justified.

00:11:31.000 So many people say it.

00:11:32.000 That's their game.

00:11:34.000 So, Blake, can you comment?

00:11:35.000 What, morally, what has Andrew Tate done that is, let's say, less than virtuous?

00:11:41.000 Well, it does stand out to me that this is all happening in the same two-week period where like Sound of Freedom is the number one movie in America, and it's all about human trafficking.

00:11:51.000 And what he did do is he would publish guides.

00:11:55.000 He would try to essentially recruit people to pay money to get his essentially like pickup artist type stuff.

00:12:01.000 I don't know if that's the right word for it, but it's in that universe. 0.92

00:12:04.000 And he would get people to pay for this, and he would literally brag, like, you know, I am so good at this that I can talk to all these chicks and I can sleep with them really quickly, and then I can get them to be in my cam girl business because they're all in love with me. 1.00

00:12:18.000 And 99% of women will do things that no one else's women will ever do for them because I'm super alpha.

00:12:25.000 And, you know, whether he's fully telling the truth about that or not, like, objectively, that's probably what most human trafficking actually looks like, more so than like abducting eight-year-olds in like Guatemala and selling them to pedophiles.

00:12:42.000 Like, there's a lot of this sort of stuff where you essentially get girlfriends and you get them to do things for you to make money that are not morally that good.

00:12:52.000 And he basically very publicly does that. 0.53

00:12:55.000 And, you know, whether he actually raped anyone or not, which he says he didn't, it seems indisputably true that he is essentially a digital pimp.

00:13:04.000 And, you know, as conservatives, I don't know that we're in favor of digital pimping, as it were.

00:13:10.000 Are we in favor of digital pimping?

00:13:11.000 I don't know.

00:13:11.000 You guys should tell me.

00:13:12.000 Yeah, I don't think so.

00:13:13.000 But I mean, listening to him at length with Tucker, when he was starting to pinpoint the all-out, the framing of Tate's argument can be summarized as you're being conquered even though you don't know it.

00:13:27.000 And the way you're being conquered is the slow slitting of the throat of your men.

00:13:33.000 His argument can be summarized as the West is being invaded from within, and it's happening through the lowering of testosterone rates, the feminizing of your men.

00:13:45.000 And I think that's a super insightful and albeit somewhat like quasi-conspiratorial, but I don't mean that negatively because I actually believe it.

00:13:54.000 I think that's true, but it's also true.

00:13:55.000 You don't even mean like conspiratorial.

00:13:57.000 I mean, lots of different factors have to come together.

00:13:59.000 It's true, but it's, I think, in an era, in an era we would regard as a better America and a more masculine America, like Andrew Tate would probably be run out of town on a rail, as it were.

00:14:11.000 Because of his behavior or because of his common because of his behavior.

00:14:14.000 Okay, no, and I don't even debate that.

00:14:16.000 I mean, I don't know enough about it.

00:14:18.000 My inherent gut instinct is when you get kicked off every social media site and indicted by a government, I'm usually like, okay, you're probably a threat to the regime because Jeffrey Epstein was allowed to traffic children in this town, by the way, for 30 years, and he was allowed to be with the royal family and president of the United States and billionaires.

00:14:37.000 And so people that are on their mole high horse on Andrew Tate, it's like, slow down, pal.

00:14:42.000 Like, when are you going to indict Bill Clinton for trafficking kids?

00:14:45.000 Like, he's been on those planes too.

00:14:47.000 Like, oh, no, it's different.

00:14:48.000 Like, no, he's the president and he's a kickboxer saying things that about men.

00:14:52.000 Like, it's a selective enforcement of morality, Jack.

00:14:56.000 The word, if you look up Jeffrey Epstein on Wikipedia right now, the word pedophile does not appear even once on that article for Epstein.

00:15:06.000 On Epstein's article, the word pedophile does not appear.

00:15:09.000 But if you pull up anybody who's on the right wing, like James O'Keefe is a far-right, et cetera, et cetera, propagandist, the only place the word pedophile actually appears on Jeffrey Epstein's page is down in one of the footnotes because one of the articles that they sourced used the word in their URL.

00:15:27.000 That's the only place it appears on Wikipedia.

00:15:28.000 Oh, wow.

00:15:29.000 And so I guess the Tate thing.

00:15:31.000 Yeah, the Tate thing is I now understand his virality.

00:15:34.000 Whether he's going to go to prison or not in Romania, it's almost like he's begging them to put him in prison.

00:15:38.000 Like he thinks he's going to get bigger if he's some sort of like human trafficking martyr.

00:15:42.000 To do interviews while you're under active indictment about your charges, it's a good way to kind of provoke the prosecution.

00:15:49.000 And let's remember, it's in Romania, not exactly a country known for like fair due process and trials and its ability to represent.

00:15:57.000 Any final thoughts, James, on Andrew Tate before we go to the next topic?

00:15:59.000 I mean, I agree with that colonizer thing.

00:16:01.000 I think it's really important.

00:16:02.000 Talk about that billboard.

00:16:03.000 Do you think that there's a slow invisible slitting of the throat of our men?

00:16:06.000 Andrew Tate is making the argument that there's like an invisible force killing our men in slow motion.

00:16:12.000 It's not invisible. 0.99

00:16:13.000 It's called feminism. 1.00

00:16:14.000 What the hell are you talking about? 1.00

00:16:16.000 I mean, Simone de Beavoir lays this out in 1949 in the second sex.

00:16:20.000 I don't mean to get nerdy on your cool show, but like.

00:16:22.000 Oh, we love nerdyism.

00:16:24.000 The fact is, the whole point of that second sex, she asked this famous question, her famous statement she makes.

00:16:30.000 She says, one is not born but becomes woman. 0.82

00:16:33.000 And then the whole argument is, well, Michelle Obama.

00:16:35.000 To grow into a name of her book.

00:16:38.000 Her book is becoming Michelle.

00:16:40.000 Yeah, well.

00:16:42.000 I thought that was up here.

00:16:42.000 Is it not?

00:16:44.000 That may have been slately.

00:16:46.000 That's not a matter of time.

00:16:47.000 It was literally becoming.

00:16:50.000 What was she before, Charlie?

00:16:51.000 She's always been Michelle. 0.91

00:16:55.000 100%.

00:16:56.000 Yeah, so you can get conspiracy theorists put on your Wikipedia, too.

00:16:59.000 No, I'm not.

00:17:00.000 But the name of her book, that's all I'm saying.

00:17:02.000 This is on my Wikipedia, actually, that I'm a conspiracy theorist, and that, in fact, I called the pride flag the flag of a hostile enemy.

00:17:10.000 That was a colony.

00:17:11.000 That's what it is.

00:17:12.000 And then the progress flag with those triangles chatting in.

00:17:14.000 It's like a colonizer flag being colonized in real time, the perpetual revolution flag.

00:17:19.000 Love that.

00:17:20.000 But that's all digression. 0.98

00:17:21.000 Simona Bavar said you can either become a woman on the terms that patriarchy sets or we can figure out how to become a woman independent of those terms. 1.00

00:17:28.000 And that required murdering the patriarchy.

00:17:31.000 So this slow slitting of the throat of men that Andrew Tate's talking about is 100% legitimate. 0.57

00:17:35.000 It's undermining Western civilization. 1.00

00:17:37.000 It comes from feminism at its kind of very like mid-20th century forward heart. 1.00

00:17:42.000 There's no doubt that that's going on.

00:17:44.000 There's no doubt that the queer theory that erupted out of that is, like I just mentioned, a colonizing force colonizing Western nations from within, flying their flags on our government buildings, flying their flags on famous streets, flying their flags on everything. 0.69

00:18:00.000 He's completely right about that.

00:18:01.000 And that's something we should be taking very seriously. 0.95

00:18:03.000 And so if you wanted to take over the West, instead of, I don't know, dropping a nuclear bomb or having like 5 million Chinese go to the border, an amphibious invasion of California, wouldn't it be easier to just have your fighting age males kill themselves, both literally and turn them into women and turn them into weak versions of their former self? 0.95

00:18:25.000 Yeah, so where does that start?

00:18:26.000 We were talking earlier, and you said kind of the essential function of the man is to be able to say no.

00:18:31.000 So you start saying that the essential function of the man is toxic masculinity, and all of a sudden they become completely nullified, nullified from the Latin nullum to make into nothing, or from the German Aufhaven, which is the word that they use for, Marxists use for transformation of society, sublation to a higher spiritual plane.

00:18:51.000 This is exactly what you would do, is that you would undercut men through these memes like toxic, well we say the left can't meme.

00:18:59.000 Oh, the left can meme. 1.00

00:19:00.000 Toxic masculinity, that's a meme. 1.00

00:19:02.000 Trans women are women, that's a meme. 1.00

00:19:04.000 It's not a little funny card on the internet, but those things have been devastating, absolutely devastating to men and women and reality throughout the West.

00:19:14.000 I mean, how many of you feel as if there's an all-out war on men in America and multi-dimensional?

00:19:20.000 And the women, everyone raises their hands.

00:19:21.000 Every hand is up. 0.95

00:19:22.000 I mean, this is why Tate is popular.

00:19:23.000 And because he does it in a super provocative way, but also, Jack, the aesthetic of Tate is perfect posture, well-built, kickboxer.

00:19:32.000 Exactly.

00:19:33.000 That's a big part of it, right?

00:19:37.000 He's training shirtless.

00:19:39.000 He's going around looking the look, talking the talk.

00:19:43.000 And look, I don't have anything to hide, and I'll just say it.

00:19:47.000 Say, so every time Tate comes up, someone will come under their comments and be like, Hey, Jack, what's this picture of you and Tate together?

00:19:54.000 I said it's a negative thing.

00:19:55.000 And so, yeah, so yeah, Tate came to CPAC, I guess, I don't know, four or five years ago.

00:20:03.000 And I think we, you know, it was like me, Paul Joseph Watson, a couple of people.

00:20:07.000 We got together for lunch on the sidelines.

00:20:10.000 Then he came, and this is back when Trump Tower was Trump Tower.

00:20:13.000 And Charlie, you remember that.

00:20:15.000 It was like people would come in, they would come out.

00:20:17.000 It is what it is.

00:20:19.000 So, you know, they're going to say, Oh, but look, did you know about this?

00:20:22.000 Did you know about that?

00:20:23.000 Posto, were you part of it?

00:20:24.000 I say, Look.

00:20:26.000 What I'm part of is exactly what James is saying, what Charlie's saying, what Blake is getting into.

00:20:31.000 This idea that we need to fight back for our children, for the boys, for the men out there.

00:20:38.000 And a lot of this starts, you know, James, you were saying before about how they seek to subvert it at the earliest level.

00:20:44.000 When I first heard about some of these, I always think of the anti-bullying programs, right?

00:20:49.000 And for me, and I think for most people, you know, Gen X and like elder millennial and up, the anti-bullying program was fight back.

00:20:57.000 The anti-bullying program was punch them in the nose until it's bloody.

00:21:02.000 But then the anti-bullying program became, go tell the teacher, go tell the principal, appeal to authority.

00:21:10.000 Don't assert yourself.

00:21:12.000 Don't stand up for yourself.

00:21:13.000 Go look at, was it Charlie in a Christmas story, right?

00:21:18.000 He finally beats the bully.

00:21:20.000 He beats Scott Farkas.

00:21:21.000 He's the one who's then able, or Ralphie, he is the one who's able to finally stand up for himself.

00:21:26.000 And this is his coming of age, is part of the story.

00:21:29.000 Well, now, what happens if you have an entire generation of men who never come of age?

00:21:35.000 Yeah, it's grown infants, right?

00:21:37.000 It's the Peter Pan lost boys that then run the generation.

00:21:41.000 And good intentions don't result into good things necessarily.

00:21:46.000 The intention of the bullying movement was, wow, kids are killing themselves and all this lowering of people's picture of themselves.

00:21:52.000 And then the only way you then can continue the anti-bullying movement is to have the whole society then reconfigure.

00:21:59.000 You can't ever have offensive speech.

00:22:01.000 You can't ever have negative things said about you.

00:22:04.000 Blake, should we bring back bullying?

00:22:06.000 It does seem quite possible that all of the 80s bullies were essentially holding back all the neuroses that are now going to destroy Western civilization.

00:22:16.000 That's a thought crumb.

00:22:18.000 And it's like you said, it was all like, oh, we have to stop suicide.

00:22:22.000 And I mean, suicide's not down.

00:22:24.000 No, it's actually, think about it.

00:22:25.000 The more we've actually gone after bullying, we have the most suicides in the history of young people ever.

00:22:31.000 So it's not working.

00:22:32.000 I think there's something to be said for the idea that there needs to be a certain amount of stress in life.

00:22:39.000 And you could almost compare it to weightlifting.

00:22:42.000 The way weightlifting makes you stronger is it actually stresses your muscles.

00:22:46.000 It tears them up and they are rebuilt to be stronger.

00:22:49.000 And it could be that social dynamics between young people, it's stressful, it's painful, and it kind of just teaches you to not be a and now just everyone's a until they grow up and they finally just yeah, I mean, life is really hard, and then here's what ends up happening: is if you have a massive anti-I'm not defending bullying, I think it's a reprehensible practice in person, but I can say this: I was made stronger by having to stand up to myself against some really cruel and awful people, and I wouldn't be the person I was today if it was just a soft,

00:23:19.000 fragile environment where someone had to pick my fights for me.

00:23:22.000 At the time, it was the worst thing ever, and then you stand up to the demon, you stand up to the person who thinks they're strong, and then you reach a level you never thought you could because you're a lot stronger than you think.

00:23:31.000 Yeah, or another comparison could be like forest fires, whereas remember when Trump got in all that trouble during his term because he pointed out, like, actually, you need some fires, otherwise there's the big fire that burns everything back burns.

00:23:42.000 So it could be that the proper response to bullying is like, it's bad, but either stand up for yourself or get over it.

00:23:50.000 You have to think of what's the function of the bully, because what the bully is actually doing is, and as much as maybe we don't like the method, what they're doing is enforcing a standard.

00:24:00.000 And so it is sort of a corollary of removing the bully is that we've also removed all standards at the same time from across the board.

00:24:08.000 It's also fighting for status, like it's a status anxiety thing.

00:24:12.000 And now you just get status by waging war through institutions.

00:24:16.000 Here's the key, though, is we didn't get rid of bullies.

00:24:18.000 We now made our bullies teachers, and we made bullies government agents.

00:24:24.000 And instead of now having the proper checks and balances to go against bullies, which is strong people understanding you have to defend yourself in the wild, we have now elevated people that have resentment towards the rest of the world and they turn them into groomers.

00:24:37.000 And so we've institutionalized the bullying against you, the innocent.

00:24:42.000 James, final thoughts on this?

00:24:43.000 We'll get to the next segment.

00:24:44.000 Yeah, listen.

00:24:44.000 So what we've done is that we've turned, we've changed who the bullies are and made them invincible, which is the worst possible recipe that you could have.

00:24:52.000 When you talk about, I actually am a little in an odd place.

00:24:56.000 I think I'm the most pro-bullying person on the panel, with the possible exception of Jack.

00:25:02.000 I think, and it serves a very important function as a matter of fact.

00:25:04.000 What are you saying?

00:25:06.000 Hey.

00:25:08.000 Hey.

00:25:09.000 You know, Jack, you and I met here on this stage.

00:25:14.000 I'm trying to have a moment with you.

00:25:17.000 You mean met in like the biblical sense?

00:25:20.000 No, we're on a stage, dude.

00:25:21.000 Calm down.

00:25:22.000 Oh, oh, right, right.

00:25:23.000 No, that's later.

00:25:24.000 So.

00:25:24.000 You didn't say what kind of stage?

00:25:26.000 This stage.

00:25:27.000 Well, we are talking about Andrew Tates.

00:25:29.000 So, no, yeah, well, we are.

00:25:30.000 That's true.

00:25:32.000 So, no, bullying, I'm fairly pro-bullying, actually, in its context.

00:25:36.000 It does have to have breaks put on it.

00:25:38.000 It does have to be controlled.

00:25:40.000 It can get out of control and cause problems.

00:25:42.000 Hospital, not more.

00:25:43.000 But there are two things here that are both getting neutered in the process.

00:25:47.000 So, one of the things is how do you deal with the bully?

00:25:50.000 Well, you talk about how, Charlie, you rose to the challenge and to change who you are.

00:25:53.000 You grew into who you are and improved.

00:25:55.000 Well, male mentorship is meant to teach how to deal with that.

00:25:58.000 That's exactly.

00:25:59.000 And we're losing that because now it's not even a teacher you're supposed to talk about.

00:26:03.000 It's a trusted adult, which means a groomer.

00:26:05.000 That's what they call groomers now, is trusted adults.

00:26:08.000 Go find a trusted adult.

00:26:09.000 They'll take you to the GSA after school.

00:26:12.000 Love bomb you, and next thing you know, you're on hormones.

00:26:14.000 That actually makes me think of a thought crime, Charlie.

00:26:17.000 What happens if you have fatherless households in various aspects of society that grow up without that masculine mentorship that never actually learn what positive masculinity is.

00:26:31.000 What happens to those girls?

00:26:33.000 No, it's the young boys.

00:26:34.000 Oh, well, we know the girls, they end up hooking up with a lot of dangerous, adventurous men and are never able to have a stable relationship, largely.

00:26:41.000 Yes.

00:26:41.000 Right.

00:26:42.000 They end up going from man to man of like quasi-criminal.

00:26:45.000 This is not even like a thought crime.

00:26:46.000 This is the fatherless behavior.

00:26:49.000 Or they become the man.

00:26:50.000 Or they become the man.

00:26:51.000 But more they, the most sexual young girls are people that do not have strong male figures. 0.74

00:26:57.000 Right.

00:26:57.000 Yeah, that's just a fact.

00:26:59.000 And so then, but what happens to the young men without father figures is they, I mean, that's actually really, I haven't thought deeply about that.

00:27:06.000 What ends up happening?

00:27:07.000 Well, I mean, they become super violent.

00:27:09.000 They become like lesser versions of themselves, I guess.

00:27:12.000 They become like narco-drug criminals, basically.

00:27:12.000 Right.

00:27:14.000 Right, because you don't realize that, you know, like, you know, just something I think about even with my kids, right?

00:27:22.000 So we'll be, you know, I'll get home and the very first thing they want to do is pounce, right, when I get home from work.

00:27:27.000 And it's like, daddy's home.

00:27:29.000 We're going to go wrestle.

00:27:31.000 But at the same time, like, we might be throwing each other around the room, but because I've got two little boys, you know, you always kind of make sure that, hey, everyone's okay at the same time.

00:27:41.000 We understand there's a certain line that won't be crossed.

00:27:44.000 And so something that I think about that occurred to me just while throwing my kids around the room was that it's a great way to get stress out, by the way, especially when you're stressing your kids.

00:27:54.000 Is that you're also teaching them that, yes, by being a man, you do have physical strength, you have emotional strength, but there's also limitations, and there's also rules and there's responsibilities inherent to that.

00:28:07.000 So speaking of limitations, and I segue to our next topic.

00:28:11.000 Hold up, hold up.

00:28:12.000 Let me finish because this is important.

00:28:13.000 Okay, Jake.

00:28:14.000 Because you should have fun with that, James.

00:28:15.000 Thank you, Charlie, though.

00:28:15.000 I know I can.

00:28:18.000 Because I've got to tell you why I'm pro-bullying, and I didn't get there.

00:28:20.000 It's not about male mentorship.

00:28:22.000 What did I tell you on your show?

00:28:24.000 Last time I sat down in Phoenix with you, I said was the most dangerous thing in the universe.

00:28:27.000 A frustrated nerd.

00:28:29.000 A frustrated academic, is actually what I said.

00:28:31.000 Yes.

00:28:32.000 Bullying actually takes your academic narcissist and knocks them off their pedestal.

00:28:32.000 Right?

00:28:38.000 These people who think they know how to organize society for everybody else because they're off in their academic theory that they spun up used to get hit in the head.

00:28:47.000 They used to get their lunch money taken from them.

00:28:49.000 They used to get shot in a locker.

00:28:50.000 They used to get called names.

00:28:51.000 They used to get turned upside down. 0.73

00:28:52.000 They used to get wedgies.

00:28:54.000 I'm not saying that those are necessarily the best way to deal with them, but they used to get knocked down several pegs.

00:28:59.000 So like Pete Budigedge used to be thrown in a locker and now he's Transportation Secretary.

00:29:04.000 Well, this is the thing, though.

00:29:06.000 Frustrated academics need to be knocked down on the ground.

00:29:09.000 Speaking of universal giants, isn't Transportation Secretary like the locker of the cabinet?

00:29:16.000 I mean, it's already a cabinet, Blake.

00:29:19.000 Yeah.

00:29:23.000 So, James, to complete your point, the way that we stop ourselves from tyrannical nerds is to bring back bullying.

00:29:29.000 Well, I mean, it's got to be done.

00:29:31.000 You've got to keep an eye on it.

00:29:32.000 The James Lindsay Institute of Bullying.

00:29:34.000 I see it coming, folks.

00:29:36.000 I see it coming.

00:29:37.000 I think we've won over half the room, not the other half.

00:29:40.000 Okay, let's get to the next topic here.

00:29:42.000 Speaking of limitations, I know you are all excited for our action conference this weekend, right?

00:29:46.000 It's going to be amazing.

00:29:50.000 Now, I'm very curious.

00:29:52.000 Okay, if you were to vote today, who would you vote for Trump?

00:29:55.000 Raise your hands.

00:29:56.000 Who would vote for Trump?

00:29:57.000 Would you say that's 80%, Jack?

00:29:59.000 Yeah, it's about 80%.

00:30:00.000 Well, I'll get to the other options, but it's not even close, obviously.

00:30:04.000 How about DeSantis?

00:30:05.000 Raise your hand.

00:30:06.000 Okay.

00:30:07.000 It's about 15 people.

00:30:09.000 So, Donald Trump will be here.

00:30:11.000 Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:30:12.000 Anyone for Vivek?

00:30:13.000 You big Vivek, Vivek, Vivek?

00:30:14.000 You voted three times, you voter fraud.

00:30:16.000 That is voter fraud.

00:30:17.000 That is voter fraud.

00:30:18.000 All right, all right.

00:30:19.000 Now, who's brought in DeSantis?

00:30:20.000 Who's voting for Doug Bergam?

00:30:22.000 Who's voting for Doug Bergham?

00:30:24.000 Bergamentum.

00:30:26.000 You're a Doug Bergum guy?

00:30:27.000 Because you got the gift card probably for voter bribery.

00:30:31.000 I'm not voting for him, but I'm donating to him.

00:30:33.000 Yeah, donating.

00:30:35.000 It's like it's the weirdest donation scheme ever.

00:30:37.000 I will give a dollar and I will receive it.

00:30:38.000 It's actually reverse money laundering.

00:30:40.000 The whole thing is so weird.

00:30:42.000 Okay, so Nikki Haley, anybody?

00:30:44.000 Nikki? 0.53

00:30:44.000 Nikki, Nikki, Mike Pence? 0.53

00:30:46.000 Any big Mike Pence people?

00:30:47.000 Mike Pence?

00:30:47.000 Nope.

00:30:48.000 Oh, no, he gets booze.

00:30:50.000 The first one.

00:30:50.000 You're a Chris Christie guy?

00:30:52.000 That'd be interesting.

00:30:54.000 Krispy Chris.

00:30:55.000 Who am I forgetting?

00:30:56.000 Any Tim Scott people?

00:30:56.000 Tim Scott?

00:30:57.000 Tim Tim?

00:30:58.000 Tim Scott's the new one, right?

00:31:00.000 We all love Tim Scott now.

00:31:01.000 No one for Tim Scott.

00:31:02.000 Isa Hutchinson.

00:31:03.000 Issa Hutchinson.

00:31:04.000 Who will be here?

00:31:05.000 Who will be here?

00:31:07.000 Okay, so I think we've exhausted the list.

00:31:09.000 Okay, Will Heard, Mr. CIA himself.

00:31:12.000 Right.

00:31:13.000 Okay.

00:31:13.000 If I listed every candidate, Jack, we would be here until Tuesday.

00:31:17.000 So we have a whole bunch of people coming.

00:31:19.000 President Donald Trump will be here.

00:31:21.000 Tucker Carlson, which you guys are, I'm sure, excited to hear from.

00:31:23.000 Megan Kelly.

00:31:25.000 We love Tucker.

00:31:27.000 Steve Bannon, Dan Bongino, Don Jr., Senator Ted Cruz, Senator JD Vance, Senator Eric Schmidt.

00:31:33.000 Lineup is unbelievable, everybody.

00:31:34.000 You guys are in the center of it all.

00:31:36.000 But noticeably missing from it is Governor Ron DeSantis.

00:31:40.000 Governor Ron DeSantis declined, and he is not attending.

00:31:44.000 Jack, how should we think?

00:31:45.000 See, they're murmuring, they're booing.

00:31:47.000 And you know what?

00:31:48.000 You guys have a right to do that because he's going to be in the state, and it's obviously not a priority to speak to 6,000 activists and 2,000 students that are making things happen.

00:31:57.000 What's going on, Jack?

00:31:58.000 Why does he not have respect for the Turning Point students?

00:32:01.000 Well, you know, Charlie, just looking at it from, and, you know, I mean, it's tough, right?

00:32:05.000 You know, I'm here at the event.

00:32:06.000 We do a lot with Turning Point.

00:32:07.000 So it's tough for me to be objective about this.

00:32:09.000 But if I try to be objective and pull myself out of it, you really have to look at it and say, there are polls.

00:32:16.000 Floridapolitics.com has this out.

00:32:17.000 If you go look at the Florida Atlantic University poll, it says that right now, Ron DeSantis is down between down with Trump with under 45 voters by 50 points, a 50-point deficit with under 45 voters, which, as Florida Politics pointed out, is significant because Ron DeSantis himself is under 45.

00:32:43.000 He's actually 44, so he's a member of his own cohort.

00:32:46.000 This is the demographic that he is.

00:32:49.000 And I didn't look at all the crosstabs, but I think that was the largest delta, the largest deficit of any group that he had across the board.

00:32:56.000 His highest was actually with over 65s.

00:32:59.000 Now, in Florida, that helps, but across the country, no, you certainly need more, need more of the youth vote.

00:33:05.000 And then at the same, Charlie, to your point, and of course, to the people who are in this room right now, this select few, you understand the importance of youth activism.

00:33:15.000 You understand that the people that are coming to a turning point event, this isn't just like a young conservative event.

00:33:20.000 No, these are the most switched on, the most active, the most boots on the ground that are going to go back to, and I think, Charlie, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, but we're going to have all 50 states.

00:33:29.000 But, you know, here's the other thing, Jack, is that yes, we are best known as a student organization.

00:33:33.000 But as I grow and we grow, the organization grows, we're going to have 300 pastors here.

00:33:39.000 You've been around our pastors, James.

00:33:40.000 These are serious people.

00:33:41.000 Yeah, they're switched on too.

00:33:43.000 250 social media ambassadors, 500 donors, 10 billionaires, 140 members of the press.

00:33:48.000 So he's not just snubbing young people.

00:33:50.000 He's saying to the entire base, I have something more important to do.

00:33:54.000 Right.

00:33:54.000 So you've got a reflective slice of the entire base.

00:33:58.000 6,000 people, Jack.

00:34:00.000 I just got 6,000.

00:34:01.000 Plus the amount of people that they touch through their social media followings, through their congregations, through their chapters, et cetera, et cetera.

00:34:10.000 And so if you're running for president, you've got to win those people over.

00:34:14.000 You must do this.

00:34:14.000 Let's play the devil's advocate, Blake.

00:34:16.000 Okay, but he's probably saying on his team, this is a Trumpy crowd.

00:34:19.000 This is MAGA.

00:34:20.000 I don't want to get a negative reaction.

00:34:22.000 So I'm not going to play ball.

00:34:24.000 Can you win a primary by avoiding voters you need to win over?

00:34:27.000 I don't think you can.

00:34:28.000 It's like, okay, you're running for president.

00:34:31.000 And yeah, is Trump really popular?

00:34:33.000 Yeah.

00:34:34.000 Is he kind of a dominant personality?

00:34:36.000 Yeah.

00:34:36.000 Can his supporters be pretty rough with people?

00:34:39.000 Yeah.

00:34:40.000 Well, you chose to enter a race against him.

00:34:42.000 You have to beat him.

00:34:44.000 Yeah, I mean, how are you going to win the suggestion?

00:34:48.000 How many fairy tales are there where the hero is like, I'm going to run away from the dragon, hide from the dragon?

00:34:54.000 And then like TLDR, they win somehow at the end.

00:34:58.000 But that's the anti-bullying very much.

00:34:59.000 It's like Lord of the Rings.

00:35:00.000 I'm going to report the dragon.

00:35:02.000 Lord of the Rings, we're going to go hide as far away as possible in the ring.

00:35:05.000 I'll just fall into Mount Doom.

00:35:08.000 Yeah, so James, I mean, you're looking at this kind of as an outsider insider.

00:35:12.000 You know us really well.

00:35:13.000 What do you think?

00:35:14.000 I mean, can you speak to the missed opportunity that this very, you speak to a lot of turning point stuff?

00:35:19.000 You know, we have something special going on here.

00:35:21.000 Yeah, I mean, I told you this earlier today is this is the highest energy group active in politics on the conservative side.

00:35:29.000 Actually, it's the highest energy group in politics that there is in the country.

00:35:33.000 It's got the widest reach.

00:35:35.000 The opportunity to skip getting to talk to this when you're running for president in particular.

00:35:41.000 Yes.

00:35:42.000 It's just mind-boggling.

00:35:44.000 I was kind of hoping you weren't going to ask me to talk about it because I'm just confused.

00:35:48.000 Are you comfortable sharing what you said privately?

00:35:49.000 If not, that's fine on the DeSantis stuff.

00:35:51.000 I mean, I can get a little bit around the edges.

00:35:54.000 It kind of happened on Twitter.

00:35:55.000 Part of it did.

00:35:57.000 I was on Twitter and I criticized something that the governor's wife, one of her initiatives that she put out about resilience.

00:36:04.000 I think people should pay very close attention.

00:36:06.000 I don't necessarily think that people have bad intentions here, but the word resilience is a very captured term.

00:36:11.000 If you follow that World Economic Forum, you'll find that that's one of their like five major words they care about for the future of the world.

00:36:19.000 It's literally a more sustainable, inclusive, and resilient world.

00:36:23.000 Oh, because it's like sustainable.

00:36:24.000 So like it's way up there.

00:36:27.000 What resilience means, by the way, in Woke Speak is taking your indoctrination and not complaining because otherwise you're fragile.

00:36:33.000 Remember white fragility? 1.00

00:36:34.000 Hey, Jack, you're a racist. 0.99

00:36:35.000 No, I'm not. 1.00

00:36:36.000 White fragility. 0.99

00:36:37.000 The opposite of that would be resilience. 1.00

00:36:38.000 Hey, Jack, you're a racist. 0.99

00:36:39.000 Thank you. 1.00

00:36:40.000 May I have another?

00:36:41.000 That's resilient.

00:36:42.000 In the military, they'd call that counterinterrogation training.

00:36:44.000 Well, yeah.

00:36:45.000 So this is the idea.

00:36:46.000 So I said, this is poorly branded.

00:36:49.000 And they went after me.

00:36:51.000 Who and nephew?

00:36:52.000 Jeremy Redfern.

00:36:54.000 The press secretary.

00:36:55.000 The press secretary.

00:36:56.000 The governor.

00:36:57.000 Yes.

00:36:57.000 So he's like, you're scared of words, James.

00:37:00.000 I'm like, really?

00:37:01.000 Jeremy, you can do this with me on social media?

00:37:03.000 Wrong place, bro.

00:37:04.000 Yeah, but it's just like that's a strange like Twitter policing.

00:37:07.000 It turned into this weird Twitter policing thing.

00:37:09.000 And so then some people from the office called me later and told me I needed to apologize to the first lady.

00:37:15.000 And I was like, what?

00:37:17.000 And I won't repeat the F-word that I said.

00:37:20.000 They asked you to apologize to Casey DeSantis.

00:37:24.000 Yes.

00:37:25.000 Publicly.

00:37:26.000 I recall another presidential campaign that demanded apologies to the candidate's wife, and it didn't end well for them.

00:37:34.000 Yeah.

00:37:34.000 Which campaign was that?

00:37:36.000 Remember Jeb Bush?

00:37:37.000 Oh, is that?

00:37:37.000 Oh, you have to apologize to my wife.

00:37:39.000 Why I said nothing wrong.

00:37:41.000 So, I mean, I just, I want to build this out a little bit before we get to the next topic here and also talk about one of our partners.

00:37:47.000 This is a big event.

00:37:48.000 The primary, Jack, you're going to Iowa tomorrow as well, where DeSantis will be.

00:37:57.000 With Tucker.

00:37:57.000 Trump will not be.

00:37:58.000 Just get an idea.

00:37:59.000 Trump is so moved by the work you guys are doing.

00:38:02.000 On the first phone call, he's like, I want to talk to your kids 100%.

00:38:05.000 That's how much he cares about what you guys are doing.

00:38:08.000 I really hope that you understand that.

00:38:12.000 The governor's team does not have that same sort of attachment, evidently.

00:38:17.000 But Jack, just talking from like what, let's map this out.

00:38:22.000 Let's think about this a little bit more creatively.

00:38:24.000 If you were DeSantis, how should you have handled this?

00:38:27.000 This is what I think he should have done.

00:38:29.000 He should have called our team and said, I want to buy a booth.

00:38:32.000 I'd like to have a thousand tickets.

00:38:34.000 I'd like to have a sponsorship.

00:38:36.000 I would like to have, I want a good speaking slot.

00:38:38.000 I want to host an influencer reception.

00:38:40.000 God knows he's got enough influencers in South Florida, like every one of the Twitter people that support him live around here.

00:38:46.000 And then what Ron DeSantis should do, but he won't, is he should have come up on stage and do what I do on college campuses.

00:38:52.000 Open mic, disagree, go to the front of the line.

00:38:54.000 Let's have it up.

00:38:55.000 You would have respected DeSantis if he did that.

00:38:57.000 Right?

00:38:58.000 100%.

00:38:58.000 You would have been, but he's not doing that because he doesn't have that energy.

00:39:03.000 Trump would do that.

00:39:05.000 Trump would be like, I'm the alpha.

00:39:06.000 Caitlin Collins, you disagree?

00:39:08.000 Ask me anything.

00:39:09.000 We all, yeah, we were all, everyone was thinking that was a terrible idea for Trump.

00:39:12.000 I don't think that's it.

00:39:14.000 It's an animal for that.

00:39:14.000 I thought it was.

00:39:15.000 They're going to try to trap him.

00:39:16.000 He's like, I'm going to go on CNN.

00:39:18.000 And that's what we wanted to see.

00:39:19.000 And then all of a sudden, it's just like, I am the biggest beast there is, and you can't come through me.

00:39:24.000 If DeSantis would have come here and did an open mic and every one of the objections, people would be like, oh, I think you're a globalist.

00:39:30.000 He could have responded, however, he would have responded, which probably wouldn't have been pretty good.

00:39:34.000 He would have gone up in people's respect.

00:39:36.000 And people like, you know what?

00:39:37.000 That's a guy who would take on the FBI.

00:39:39.000 Instead, how is he going to take on the FBI if he's not willing to talk to college?

00:39:42.000 And I said this as well.

00:39:45.000 You're running for president, right?

00:39:47.000 And, you know, even if this one doesn't work out, then potentially there are Florida Senate seats that could be opened up here.

00:39:56.000 Rick Scott might be getting out.

00:39:57.000 He's been talking about going back to his old job.

00:40:01.000 You know, Rubio, who knows what's going on there.

00:40:03.000 And then there's potential other runs in the future, obviously.

00:40:06.000 And so the way that you categorize yourself now is going to carry with you, right?

00:40:12.000 There's a reason we don't talk about Scott Walker anymore.

00:40:14.000 There's a reason that Jeb Bush is a punchline now that Mike Pence is rapidly becoming himself.

00:40:21.000 There's a reason that, you know, just say it, like Ted Cruz, he's in the Senate of Texas.

00:40:26.000 I don't know where else he goes after that, right?

00:40:28.000 He's a Texas senator probably as long as he wants to be.

00:40:30.000 And I think he's a fantastic Texas senator, but there are levels to this, right?

00:40:34.000 And you have to deal with reality.

00:40:37.000 And maybe you need some bullies around to explain that to people.

00:40:39.000 But Blake, to your budget.

00:40:40.000 Well, here's the thing. 1.00

00:40:41.000 Trump is the bully. 0.98

00:40:43.000 Honestly, if you want to go to the future, I want to go bully the FBI right now. 0.99

00:40:45.000 I want Trump to go bully.

00:40:47.000 Exactly. 0.94

00:40:47.000 Like, I want him to be our bully against these woke commies. 0.94

00:40:52.000 And yeah, if you're going to run against him in the primary, he's not going to allow himself to go.

00:40:55.000 Then run.

00:40:56.000 Then run.

00:40:57.000 Yeah, then actually run and play the game.

00:40:59.000 Don't run ads and just go to donor reviews.

00:41:02.000 Where's the DeSantis boats going up and down the inter-causeway?

00:41:05.000 You know, where's the and you know what's so bad about it is he's actually a great governor.

00:41:09.000 And he's an objectively great governor with real policy accomplishments and a real conservative intercoast.

00:41:14.000 And even one, I'm being honest, like I don't want to lie about it.

00:41:17.000 Like I don't want to.

00:41:18.000 I think everyone agrees.

00:41:19.000 He's been a great governor who now is messing up an opportunity to actually improve our party.

00:41:23.000 And I hope it, I genuinely hope it doesn't like permanently ruin either him or ruin like the relationship between him and Trump to the extent of souring by the million.

00:41:33.000 It is.

00:41:33.000 It is very strongly, but we've seen this before.

00:41:36.000 Because I think it's not just that he's been a good governor, but he does, to some extent, fill holes in Trump's game, which is he is very execution focused.

00:41:47.000 And I think to the extent there's a flaw with Trump, that he isn't always execution.

00:41:51.000 Imagine if they work together.

00:41:52.000 Yeah, I keep saying it.

00:41:54.000 Imagine if Trump was the one who had to, you know, do his press conferences, take all of the flack from the press while his chief of staff or secretary or AG or whatever you want DeSantis to do does a million things that are ultra controversial every day in a second Trump administration.

00:42:10.000 I think that could be incredibly powerful.

00:42:13.000 James, you have thought any closing thoughts on this?

00:42:15.000 The only thought, I mean, like I said, I hope you didn't ask me too much about DeSantis personally because I'm just like, why is he doing this?

00:42:20.000 Okay.

00:42:21.000 But I just, I did have the privilege of just hearing both of them speak, actually, like last week.

00:42:28.000 And, you know, DeSantis gave a great talk.

00:42:30.000 He's very policy-oriented.

00:42:32.000 He could have given a great talk here.

00:42:33.000 It's a missed opportunity.

00:42:35.000 It is what it is.

00:42:36.000 But that energy that you were talking about with Trump was definitely there.

00:42:39.000 Just another anecdote.

00:42:40.000 During his talk and before his talk in a kind of a pre-event meet and greet, he did it three times.

00:42:45.000 I know of at least.

00:42:46.000 There's probably more.

00:42:47.000 But he said, they said, I can't say this.

00:42:49.000 I don't care.

00:42:50.000 And then he said it.

00:42:52.000 That's the kind of energy that we actually need.

00:42:54.000 They said we can't say this.

00:42:56.000 And I don't care.

00:42:57.000 I'll say it anyway.

00:42:58.000 And I just, I don't have a good comment about Mr. DeSantis on this one, but I see the energy with Trump is still there.

00:43:06.000 Yep, it is what it is.

00:43:07.000 And we're thrilled that he's, I will say this, he wants to earn the nomination.

00:43:13.000 Charlie, can I ask you something?

00:43:15.000 How do you think it's going to go tomorrow with Tucker and DeSantis?

00:43:15.000 Yeah, sure.

00:43:20.000 I have no idea.

00:43:21.000 I mean, I've heard whispers that, you know, Tucker's going to let him have it.

00:43:25.000 Here's, I mean, Tucker in every, my favorite part of the Andrew Tate interview is when Tucker asked him about Ukraine.

00:43:30.000 I'm like, he just can't help himself.

00:43:32.000 Like, every time Tucker's in an interview, it's like, it has to, and I'm the same way.

00:43:36.000 Yeah, but that's my point.

00:43:36.000 Like, don't you think he's going to ask him about that?

00:43:39.000 It's like, it's impossible.

00:43:40.000 I mean, is Nikki Haley really gonna take questions from Tucker Carlson?

00:43:44.000 Please do.

00:43:45.000 It's like, please.

00:43:47.000 I want to be sitting there with popcorn.

00:43:49.000 Let's get it.

00:43:50.000 Is Mike Pence really going to take questions from Tucker Carlson?

00:43:53.000 Mike Pence might get knocked out of the race tomorrow by Tucker Carlson.

00:43:58.000 I mean, do we even have things even still running?

00:44:00.000 Like, I mean, so, yeah, I mean, I hope Tucker lets them all have it and says, why on earth are you, Mike Pence, visiting Ukraine while we have 10,000 people invading our country on a daily basis?

00:44:11.000 He has the perfect out.

00:44:12.000 He could just say he's running for president of Ukraine.

00:44:15.000 Yes, but that would require him to be honest.

00:44:18.000 And he's like, I mean, why are you going to Ukraine?

00:44:20.000 Like, how many delegates?

00:44:20.000 What is the Ukrainian primary?

00:44:22.000 I'm really confused.

00:44:23.000 You have to be careful with that.

00:44:25.000 They're not having elections.

00:44:26.000 You have to be careful with that question because I don't think we can rule out that the GOP would give Ukraine delegates.

00:44:30.000 Oh, no.

00:44:31.000 I could see Mitch McConnell being like.

00:44:36.000 Oh, that's so true.

00:44:38.000 And the delegates for Lvov cast their votes for very in favor of Mike Pence, the turtle.

00:44:46.000 So it's a missed opportunity to buy Ron DeSantis, and it's too bad.

00:44:52.000 Okay, you guys can email us freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:44:54.000 I want to tell you about Public Square.

00:44:56.000 You guys have got to download the Public Square app.

00:44:59.000 The three people that have already done it love you guys.

00:45:02.000 Six, seven, eight, nine.

00:45:03.000 Download the Public Square app, publicsq.com.

00:45:07.000 That is publicsq.com.

00:45:08.000 It is your navigational tool.

00:45:10.000 You might say, what is public square?

00:45:12.000 Are you sick of Target grooming our kids?

00:45:14.000 Are you sick of these businesses going after us?

00:45:16.000 Public Square is a way where you could find all the businesses near you when you travel or you go to college or your hometown or whatever that share your values.

00:45:24.000 So if you want to go get your car fixed, if you want to go get a cup of coffee, it's called the Public Square app.

00:45:30.000 It's free of charge.

00:45:31.000 I use it all the time.

00:45:32.000 They have hundreds of thousands of businesses now.

00:45:35.000 If you are a business owner, you guys can get there.

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00:45:39.000 We think the world of public square.

00:45:40.000 So like right now, you guys might be thinking, oh, wait, where do you want to go to lunch tomorrow?

00:45:44.000 Or, hey, you know, we're here for a couple of days.

00:45:46.000 What if I told you that in West Palm Beach, there are dozens of conservative businesses that you can go in and you can say, you know what?

00:45:53.000 I want to shop with people that share my values, not places that fly the pride flag or the BLM flag.

00:45:59.000 You find out through the Public Square app, they are creating a conservative Yelp and they're growing like crazy.

00:46:05.000 Jack, we love Public Square, don't we?

00:46:07.000 I mean, Public Square is great, especially if you're someone who, like, I always say this, but like my wife, Tanya Tay, who, you know, she wants to contribute.

00:46:16.000 She wants to give back.

00:46:17.000 She's running the family. 0.99

00:46:18.000 She's taking care of the kids. 0.94

00:46:20.000 She wants to know which companies are good, which ones are bad.

00:46:23.000 By the way, Charlie, you'll appreciate this.

00:46:24.000 I said something to her the other day, and I happened to mention Target.

00:46:27.000 And she said, she looked at me and goes, I'm boycotting Target.

00:46:30.000 And I said, that's great.

00:46:31.000 But then I said, well, where are we going?

00:46:33.000 And she said, I'm not sure.

00:46:35.000 That's where Public Square comes in.

00:46:36.000 Yeah, that's where Public Square is.

00:46:37.000 So download the Public Square app.

00:46:38.000 James, have you downloaded it?

00:46:40.000 Are you familiar with it?

00:46:40.000 I had no idea about it.

00:46:41.000 No, it's a game changer.

00:46:42.000 You got to look at it.

00:46:43.000 They're growing like crazy.

00:46:44.000 In fact, they're actually going to be publicly listed on the New York Stock Exchange, I think, next week.

00:46:49.000 They have a new diaper company too, EveryLife.com.

00:46:52.000 EveryLife is so cool.

00:46:53.000 Yeah.

00:46:53.000 So cool.

00:46:54.000 Because all the diaper companies, I know this might not be the demographic yet that cares about this, but you will spend a lot of money on diapers, okay?

00:47:00.000 Hi.

00:47:01.000 Yeah, I mean, thousands of dollars.

00:47:02.000 You have no idea.

00:47:04.000 It's unbelievable.

00:47:05.000 And by the way, I found out the diaper company that we're buying from Kodier or whatever, pro-abortion.

00:47:10.000 Pro-abortion diaper companies.

00:47:12.000 I mean, you think about that, right?

00:47:15.000 I mean, you would think that you'd want more babies for your own business model.

00:47:19.000 This is where the libertarians get it wrong.

00:47:20.000 And I'm sorry, libertarians, but you'd think like...

00:47:22.000 Some libertarians are pro-life.

00:47:24.000 But a lot of the libertarians, not all of them.

00:47:26.000 Ron Paul's pro-life, by the way.

00:47:27.000 So it's Rand Paul.

00:47:28.000 So it's Ran Paul, obviously.

00:47:29.000 But I mean, where they say that companies will always act in their best interest, right?

00:47:34.000 I don't know that that's true because I haven't seen it.

00:47:36.000 I just haven't seen it.

00:47:37.000 So it's Public Square app.

00:47:39.000 Check it out.

00:47:39.000 Public Square app.

00:47:41.000 Okay, let's go to Jonah Hill.

00:47:44.000 Have you guys seen this story?

00:47:46.000 Yes, no, maybe.

00:47:48.000 I read this and I said...

00:47:49.000 I'm going to explain this one a little.

00:47:50.000 Huh?

00:47:51.000 I said, yeah, it might need some explanation.

00:47:53.000 I don't think it needs that.

00:47:53.000 Is Jonah Hill too old for these people?

00:47:56.000 Yeah.

00:47:56.000 Do you guys know who Jonah Hill is?

00:47:58.000 You don't know who Jonah Hill is?

00:48:00.000 You guys never see Moneyball?

00:48:01.000 Super bad?

00:48:03.000 All right.

00:48:04.000 Okay, there's hope.

00:48:04.000 There's hope.

00:48:05.000 Is this the woman that they're saying is a mid? 0.96

00:48:07.000 No, that's Marjo Robbie.

00:48:09.000 Do you guys know who that is? 0.97

00:48:12.000 She is mid?

00:48:14.000 Wow.

00:48:15.000 Okay.

00:48:17.000 Okay, that's quite a take.

00:48:21.000 We'd love to see somebody defend that one.

00:48:23.000 Okay, but so let's.

00:48:25.000 Mike, let's read it.

00:48:27.000 So Jonah Hill comes out and texts his girlfriend, who now she publicizes these text messages, stating the following.

00:48:34.000 To be clear, to be clear, this is his ex-girlfriend.

00:48:37.000 This is about a year and a half ago, and he's with someone else now, and they just had a baby, apparently.

00:48:44.000 And this seems to have broken her brain to some extent.

00:48:47.000 These texts were from when they were together a year and a half in the past.

00:48:51.000 They are not together now.

00:48:52.000 So Jonah Hill sent a flurry of messages, plain and simple.

00:48:57.000 If you need surfing with men, boundaryless, inappropriate friendships with men, if you need to model to post pictures of yourself in a bathing suit, to post sexual pictures, friendships with women who are in unstable places, and from your wild, recent past beyond getting a lunch or coffee or something respectful, I am not the right partner for you.

00:49:16.000 If these things bring you to a place of happiness, I support it, and there'll be no hard feelings.

00:49:21.000 These are my boundaries for romantic partnership.

00:49:23.000 My boundaries with you based on the way these actions have hurt our trust.

00:49:27.000 It's just constant and doesn't reflect where we're at or where you want to be.

00:49:31.000 I respect your skill in your surfing.

00:49:32.000 I respect how you want to present yourself.

00:49:34.000 I respect that you're hot and beautiful.

00:49:36.000 I respect however you want to live, but I also respect myself and what I'm interested in my own life and what I let into my heart and my inner circle.

00:49:42.000 So celebrate yourself and life however you please and shine bright, but I don't want to have to deal with it.

00:49:47.000 Is Jonah Hill wrong?

00:49:48.000 And it keeps on going.

00:49:49.000 Is he the most abusive man to ever live?

00:49:52.000 No, I think Jonah Hill's 100% rightly.

00:49:55.000 Wait, wait, explain why you're saying that.

00:49:57.000 Well, because one, they're literally hyping it like he is the most abusive man in the world.

00:50:01.000 Emotionally abusive. 0.79

00:50:03.000 There have been like Twitter feminists and white knights coming out and saying that this is the most abusive, gaslighting, narcissistic action that a man has ever taken.

00:50:15.000 The person who first wrote gaslighting as a modern essay to describe behavior is responsible for a lot because it is now the most overused term.

00:50:25.000 Yeah, just because just because a man is talking does not mean he's gaslighting.

00:50:29.000 And just because a man has an opinion, it doesn't make him a narcissist. 0.99

00:50:32.000 Sorry, women. 1.00

00:50:33.000 See, that's the toxic masculinity thing. 1.00

00:50:35.000 That's what it did to us is people are confused about that.

00:50:37.000 Exactly.

00:50:38.000 Yeah, totally.

00:50:39.000 It's also like the Redditification of the human race or something.

00:50:43.000 There's like a subreddit called Raised by Narcissists where a bunch of narcissists complain about how everyone else is a narcissist.

00:50:52.000 Narcissist inception?

00:50:54.000 Basically.

00:50:55.000 And so now we have this giant civil war.

00:50:58.000 And I will say, I think, I wouldn't say Jonah Hill is blameless in this because I think he probably did buy into this like therapy speak cult that this is not the way I would necessarily like always want to communicate with someone, but he is following a script that is set for him.

00:51:16.000 And it is sort of proof that you can't win.

00:51:18.000 Like, he's doing exactly what you're supposed to do, according to these people.

00:51:22.000 And their reaction is to call him.

00:51:24.000 But that's super abusive.

00:51:25.000 But that's my point to begin with, right?

00:51:27.000 Is that so?

00:51:28.000 Is he being abusive?

00:51:29.000 No, he's not being abusive.

00:51:30.000 He's talking to her and he's using this therapy speak to your point that is what the modern man who's in touch with his feelings is told to say: You need to respect my boundaries.

00:51:41.000 You need to respect our relationship.

00:51:43.000 This is her trust.

00:51:44.000 All of this in the past.

00:51:45.000 This is our trust.

00:51:46.000 And I want you to be happy and I want to respect yourself.

00:51:48.000 It's like, Jonah, just man up.

00:51:51.000 If you don't like what she's doing, walk away.

00:51:53.000 Just leave.

00:51:54.000 I don't know.

00:51:55.000 I mean, I just want to bounce.

00:51:57.000 Just bounce, bro.

00:51:58.000 Which I guess he did, apparently.

00:52:00.000 What would Andrew Tate do?

00:52:02.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:52:02.000 I mean, it's like, it's like, why are you as a man trying to act like a woman and to get your wife or you're not even your wife, your girlfriend at this point to enter into this sort of traditional relationship roles?

00:52:18.000 And that's something where it's funny because when this came up, I was talking to my wife about this. 0.92

00:52:22.000 And my wife, coming from Eastern Europe, does not have like any of the woke programming mind virus crap that you get in the West.

00:52:30.000 And I remember the one thing that she really clued in on was like, if you're in a relationship with somebody, why are you going and hanging out with people of the other sex? 0.65

00:52:39.000 Like, that's just not something that's done in traditional cultures.

00:52:42.000 Yet in the West, we constantly push that.

00:52:45.000 Oh, no, those are just my guy friends.

00:52:46.000 Oh, no, like, it's cool.

00:52:48.000 I can hang out with some girls and it's not you.

00:52:49.000 Like, no, that's totally inappropriate.

00:52:52.000 Maybe not cool and not appropriate.

00:52:54.000 And I'm not saying we need to go like full Taliban and, you know, you're not allowed to leave the house if you're a single woman without a man that you're related to. 0.59

00:53:01.000 Women should not have men friends if you're in a relationship, period. 1.00

00:53:04.000 But that's right. 0.72

00:53:04.000 And that's what Tanya said. 0.72

00:53:06.000 Why would I do that?

00:53:07.000 I would never do that to you.

00:53:08.000 And it would never occur to her to do that to me.

00:53:11.000 No, it's deeply unhealthy and results in affairs cheating or gossiping relationships that are really deeply hurtful.

00:53:18.000 I don't know.

00:53:18.000 I read these Jonah texts and I actually have respect for him to tell his girlfriend to like stop acting slutty on like social media and be like, I don't want to be with you if you're going to be like that.

00:53:28.000 Like, I totally respect that.

00:53:30.000 I think he's kind of being a little bit like, I'm going, I'm going to draw a line.

00:53:34.000 And if not, like, go find, go be your own person.

00:53:37.000 He's trying.

00:53:38.000 He's trying, but he's.

00:53:40.000 But it's also unfair.

00:53:40.000 This is a private conversation that got leaked, too.

00:53:43.000 Like, whoever this deranged lunatic woman is, and they're like, oh, he's so controlling. 0.99

00:53:48.000 Like, yeah, apparently he's laying out a pretty bad case against you. 0.98

00:53:52.000 That what?

00:53:52.000 You're boundaryless, inappropriate friendships with men, posting pictures of yourself in a bathing suit, totally inappropriate if in a relationship.

00:54:00.000 Friendships with women who are in unstable places.

00:54:02.000 A fun angle to this is that when he's the bathing suit thing, she works as a surf instructor, at least on the side, and they're like, he's destroying her career.

00:54:10.000 This is an attack on, you know, the equality of their careers. 0.90

00:54:14.000 Well, I looked it up and she has like 9,000 Instagram followers or something.

00:54:19.000 Maybe it was more than that.

00:54:20.000 It was a low amount considering she had been mega in the news for several years.

00:54:25.000 And, you know, in comparison, like, he's a movie star, even if even if he is a star famous for playing like fat accountants, he's still a movie star.

00:54:35.000 And it just felt very strange to be like, oh, he's derailing her career.

00:54:40.000 Oh, my gosh.

00:54:40.000 And she's like in law school now.

00:54:43.000 Don't go to law school.

00:54:45.000 The issue, I mean, it actually does have a ton of layers to it, right?

00:54:50.000 Is he acting, and maybe James, you can get your take on this.

00:54:53.000 Like, is he trying?

00:54:55.000 It's like he's trying to be assertive, but he doesn't know how to have masculine assertiveness because he only thinks he's allowed to in this sort of feminized therapy group session kind of thing, which, by the way, if you go to a couple's therapy, then The therapist will simply just say, whatever the man says is wrong, whatever the woman says is right, whatever makes her happy is good.

00:55:19.000 Whatever the man does.

00:55:20.000 That's part of this, which is part of the justification for her blowing this up publicly is he has been very public about like his working relationship with his therapist.

00:55:31.000 And they've essentially tried to cancel his therapist as well for like taking his side in some of these.

00:55:37.000 So is it the same?

00:55:37.000 Is it the same therapist?

00:55:38.000 I don't know if it was always the same one.

00:55:40.000 I try not to read too much celebrity gossip. 0.97

00:55:43.000 Otherwise, you become gay over time. 0.98

00:55:47.000 And so, but apparently, like, yeah, this is part of this evil therapist who sided with this abusive man. 0.96

00:55:53.000 No, but that's what happens.

00:55:54.000 Controlling behavior.

00:55:56.000 It's like Prince Harry and Megan, right?

00:55:58.000 So this is the same thing.

00:55:59.000 Like, Prince Harry used to be the one who was like going to Afghanistan and smoking terrorists.

00:56:04.000 And now he comes in and he's like, you know, I feel so bad.

00:56:08.000 And my daddy called me a naughty, you know, a naughty word.

00:56:12.000 And he said something about Megan.

00:56:13.000 And I think he looked at her racistly.

00:56:15.000 He looked at her racistly a little bit.

00:56:17.000 And he starts like crying up there.

00:56:19.000 And it's like, dude, you were the good one.

00:56:21.000 You were the cool one.

00:56:22.000 The sad thing is, is we know that's going to end with her accusing him of being emotionally abusive.

00:56:27.000 That divorce is epic.

00:56:29.000 They're going to need to send.

00:56:30.000 They're going to need to send the SAS to like extract this royal princeling from Los Angeles.

00:56:36.000 He might not make it out alive.

00:56:38.000 He made it out of Afghanistan alive, but he may not make it out of Megan alive.

00:56:42.000 So that was a weird setup, guys.

00:56:45.000 James, your thoughts.

00:56:46.000 I don't.

00:56:47.000 So I kind of agree with Charlie.

00:56:48.000 I think, like, whatever.

00:56:49.000 This is how the guy said, look, I'm not comfortable with this.

00:56:51.000 Do what you want.

00:56:53.000 If you want to go be somebody else, it's not my business to police you, see you by, whatever.

00:56:57.000 Fine.

00:56:57.000 Good for him.

00:56:58.000 If that's how he would communicate, it's how he communicates.

00:56:59.000 I don't care if he's in therapeutic culture.

00:57:01.000 I don't care.

00:57:02.000 It's like, fine by me, whatever.

00:57:03.000 What I see is this pattern that you guys just kind of like Megan Markled out on is, and in this case, is likely the case given why these texts are in front of us in the first place, is the unbelievable pathology that a man will twist himself into to get with an unhealthy woman. 0.64

00:57:20.000 Yep.

00:57:21.000 You will break yourself, and I've seen this happen so many times with so many men.

00:57:26.000 You will find that there's a woman and she's a bit of a narcissist, and you will twist yourself in knots where everything she does is okay so that you can continue to be her narcissistic supply.

00:57:35.000 I can fix her.

00:57:36.000 I can fix her.

00:57:36.000 It's not even I can fix her.

00:57:37.000 It's like she's probably hot. 0.91

00:57:39.000 She's probably fun to be around.

00:57:41.000 And then you're like, I have all this benefit.

00:57:43.000 And then you're actually kind of trapped because look what happened.

00:57:47.000 He draws these lines, whatever.

00:57:48.000 He moves on with his life.

00:57:49.000 He ends up having a kid, and she's like, nuclear bomb on your life, dude.

00:57:54.000 James, are you referring to the high crazy matrix?

00:57:57.000 Well, I mean, it's obviously relevant up there in the because if you're up there in that zone, how many of you guys know what we're talking about?

00:58:04.000 The high crazy matrix.

00:58:05.000 And I mean, it's good to know about this rumor.

00:58:07.000 The hot crazy matrix is like in the Bible.

00:58:10.000 Yeah, this is Leviticus.

00:58:14.000 Also, Leviticus.

00:58:15.000 Also, yeah. 1.00

00:58:16.000 This is your redheads. 1.00

00:58:18.000 This is your strippers, your hairdressers, your women named Tiffany.

00:58:22.000 I heard one time that anytime, you know, some of the great things do well in your life, God will send you a woman who actually follows with an A.

00:58:28.000 So it's a woman whose name ends with an A. Sorry, girls. 0.98

00:58:32.000 But Tiffany's out there.

00:58:34.000 The fact of the matter is, though, that chasing.

00:58:37.000 So listen, young man, let me give you some Andrew Tate advice.

00:58:40.000 Let's go.

00:58:41.000 Chasing a emotionally unhealthy woman, and you can usually tell who they are because they post too much of themselves on social media. 0.54

00:58:47.000 It's true.

00:58:48.000 Will break you.

00:58:50.000 You have to be extraordinary levels of base to be able to pull back from that and not cause that to have problems. 0.98

00:58:57.000 I've had serious friends get completely warped around a narcissistic woman. 0.99

00:59:01.000 Narcissism isn't just a problem with wokies. 1.00

00:59:04.000 It's a problem more broadly.

00:59:05.000 And, you know, you see what can happen.

00:59:09.000 You get this kind of like perma-fed mentality where anything you do later may be held against you.

00:59:14.000 Well, Charlie, you actually talk about this because this is the intersection of where social media actually feeds this kind of behavior.

00:59:22.000 Yeah, no, the social media, when you think about it, so what are you doing here tonight on a Thursday night and this weekend?

00:59:28.000 You're being social.

00:59:29.000 The people right now on social media are being anti-social.

00:59:33.000 And so actually, the most anti-social people engage the most on social media, like Jack.

00:59:38.000 And so, kidding, Jack.

00:59:39.000 So, and but you think that the incentive structure on social media is to get really, really good and hyper-engaged and to get things to go viral.

00:59:47.000 Unless you're doing something super interesting in the real world that then translates into actual social media content people want to see, then the anti-social people engage the most in the platform that's supposed to be a reflection of socialization.

01:00:02.000 So, it's the actual inverse, right?

01:00:04.000 And because you have to spend so much time and you actually burrow yourself in, and then it becomes a reflection of reality, it becomes a reflection of a pathology.

01:00:13.000 You're cloud chasing.

01:00:14.000 Yes, that's the correct way to say it.

01:00:15.000 You're just cloud chasing.

01:00:16.000 Yeah, there's a nerdy word for that called parasocial.

01:00:19.000 Parasocial relationships.

01:00:20.000 Parasocial relationships.

01:00:22.000 If you confuse those for real social relationships, you're lost.

01:00:25.000 If you don't have any real social relationships and they're all parasocial, you're lost.

01:00:28.000 It's a really bad place to be.

01:00:30.000 We could get a full Jordan Peterson on this, though, because he very famously at one point said, you know, well, the difference between the internet is that male aggression doesn't upload, but female aggression uploads very well.

01:00:40.000 But what actually really uploads really, really well is personality disorders.

01:00:45.000 Yes.

01:00:46.000 And that antisocial behavior gets you a lot of places in social media. 0.97

01:00:51.000 So the technology factor, what social media brings to the table does, in fact, feed these broadly clustered beat personality disorders that are running rampant and causing dysfunction throughout our society and end with children cutting their genitals off. 0.97

01:01:04.000 And to use a less nerdy term, too many parasocial relationships leads to becoming a pay pig. 0.97

01:01:12.000 And you don't want to be a pay pig. 0.98

01:01:13.000 Definitely don't want to be a pay pig, Charlie. 0.98

01:01:16.000 What's that?

01:01:17.000 It's basically when you're old.

01:01:18.000 It's the synonym.

01:01:20.000 It's the same thing as being a FinDom.

01:01:23.000 To be a Fin Don?

01:01:25.000 Fin Dom.

01:01:26.000 What is that?

01:01:28.000 It's the inverse of being a FinDom, the inverse of being a FinDom.

01:01:30.000 You'd be a Fin sub.

01:01:32.000 Got it.

01:01:33.000 So we're coming full.

01:01:35.000 He's got it.

01:01:36.000 We'll go full circle.

01:01:37.000 Should we explain to Charlie what a Fin sub and a pay pig are?

01:01:40.000 Should we explain Charlie?

01:01:42.000 Is Jack bullying Charlie?

01:01:44.000 So, no, well, this is part of the thought crime.

01:01:47.000 So it's basically, I can explain this very easily because we just talked about Andrew Tate and his former business, right?

01:01:53.000 Running cam girls.

01:01:54.000 So this would be the customer base for that.

01:01:58.000 This would be the marks.

01:02:00.000 This would be the targets of the men who are then watching the camera girls, who then, if they really get hooked in, what Andrew Tate has, and he's talked about this publicly, that he would actually take over the girls' accounts and then start finding all the different ways to get the men to send more and more money.

01:02:21.000 Well, now I know.

01:02:22.000 And then they're pay pigs, which is just a fun word to say over and over again, especially around people who don't know what it means. 0.94

01:02:29.000 And with that, we hit a new all-time high for simultaneous viewers. 0.91

01:02:32.000 How many people do we have watching?

01:02:34.000 Over 5,000, 51, 46 right now.

01:02:37.000 Oh, wow.

01:02:38.000 Nice.

01:02:39.000 There we go.

01:02:41.000 Let's take some questions with the time we have remaining.

01:02:43.000 Do we have the ability to do that with some mics and stuff?

01:02:46.000 I'd love to do it.

01:02:46.000 We can just repeat it.

01:02:47.000 Yeah, we do.

01:02:48.000 Where's the guy who said Margot Robbie was a mid?

01:02:50.000 I want him up.

01:02:52.000 All right.

01:02:53.000 If you want to ask a question, defend it.

01:02:54.000 Defend it.

01:02:56.000 No courage these days.

01:02:57.000 I know, right?

01:02:59.000 Thank you.

01:02:59.000 It's all the anti-bullying.

01:03:01.000 Hey, guys.

01:03:02.000 I'm Josiah Martin from upstate New York, chapter president and a small business owner.

01:03:07.000 And I resonate with what Charlie said earlier about being an entrepreneur.

01:03:10.000 And my goal is in life is to become that entrepreneur.

01:03:13.000 And I was just wondering what advice you'd have for me.

01:03:15.000 I've looked up to you guys a lot, especially Charlie and the ambition that you have in growing Turning Point.

01:03:20.000 And I would love to hear what you'd have for me as a small business owner to grow.

01:03:23.000 And also, how do we get more young people to become owners?

01:03:27.000 Are you in college?

01:03:28.000 No.

01:03:29.000 That's the first thing.

01:03:29.000 Okay, good.

01:03:30.000 Don't go to college if you want to.

01:03:31.000 That's why I'm a business owner.

01:03:32.000 It's because I'm not in college.

01:03:34.000 So the first thing is you must, I mean, I don't want to speak for everybody here, but a couple of things when it comes to business is when you have very little, take the biggest possible risk.

01:03:44.000 So while you're small, you should, that's the time to take risk.

01:03:47.000 Be very careful with debt.

01:03:48.000 Try to operate debt-free.

01:03:50.000 So when I take risk, I'm talking about leveraging what you can lose without actually having to go into the negative, right?

01:03:57.000 So basically, your time, the best investment you can make is in yourself because that is an investment that appreciates over time.

01:04:03.000 So in your own knowledge, your wisdom, your body, your physique, your vitality, your energy.

01:04:08.000 And so when you're a small business, you are the business.

01:04:12.000 So you must invest yourself.

01:04:14.000 And you have to outwork your highest working employee by two, right?

01:04:18.000 So not just in hours, but just in commitment and in all those different things.

01:04:22.000 And you have to set the pace.

01:04:24.000 So once the business starts to get to scale, 10 to 15, 20 to 25, 30 to 35, then all of a sudden, your job as a leader is less of doing the work, casting the vision, and then getting proper information and data and making sure that that vision is constantly being fulfilled.

01:04:39.000 And it's just a non-stop thing of building a good team, finding loyal people, hiring the right people, firing the bad people, kind of repeating that.

01:04:46.000 And then there will be an inflection point after 18 to 24 months where you're going to have to decide if you actually want to keep doing whatever you're doing.

01:04:52.000 What kind of business are you in, by the way?

01:04:53.000 We make handmade pretzels and also retail.

01:04:56.000 Oh, that's amazing.

01:04:56.000 So, I mean, you could potentially become a billionaire in that.

01:05:00.000 Like, there's people have become billionaires in all sorts of different anti-annes and Starbucks, like Dunkin' Donuts.

01:05:00.000 Not kidding, right?

01:05:07.000 And so you're in a very labor-intensive business and a low-margin, high-volume business that in some ways has been commoditized.

01:05:12.000 So you need to find a way to try to find a differentiator, either in branding or recipe, quality, and all that stuff raises the price and the cost.

01:05:20.000 So how do you compensate for that?

01:05:21.000 You're going to have to work more hours.

01:05:23.000 Hey, hey, don't forget, by the way, public square.

01:05:26.000 That's right.

01:05:26.000 You start on public square.

01:05:28.000 There, there we go.

01:05:30.000 That's right.

01:05:31.000 I do think it's worth it.

01:05:33.000 By the way, I don't know if we mentioned earlier, but if you have a business, you can obviously list yourself on public square is my point.

01:05:38.000 And I think it's worth emphasizing that I think in our heads, we think we've been propagandized to see a startup as like a 100% new idea.

01:05:47.000 Like you're going to start a new tech product or a new website or a totally, you know, even like a totally unique recipe of pretzel or something.

01:05:56.000 James Lindsey School Institute of Bullying.

01:05:58.000 Yeah, there's a huge, there's a huge number of businesses that are just traditional businesses that you can do, that there's just not a lot of people who do, for example.

01:06:06.000 Bespoke carpentry.

01:06:08.000 There's a ton of anything that got backed up during COVID is technically something that would be ripe for like entrepreneurship.

01:06:13.000 My brother is carpentry.

01:06:14.000 Exactly.

01:06:15.000 And not just generic, but do like if you learn how to install something a lot of people want, but only one person knows how to do, you know, it's much easier to out-compete one person on being more available or having a slightly cheaper price or being better at it than them.

01:06:30.000 And there's literally hundreds of businesses you can do that in.

01:06:33.000 And it can be as basic as having a better storage company than the one that already exists in your town.

01:06:39.000 Yeah.

01:06:39.000 Sure.

01:06:39.000 And so basically you have to want it more than the next person.

01:06:43.000 The thing that I realized after four or five years of doing this at Turning Point is that grit, hustle, and desire are not equally distributed amongst competitors.

01:06:51.000 Like most people in politics really are super lazy.

01:06:53.000 And I thought everyone wanted to be successful as much as I did and actually make an impact.

01:06:57.000 And so as long as you want it more, you're going to be successful.

01:07:00.000 And then if you have good ideas, and finally, ethics will be your defining characteristic.

01:07:05.000 You must act in an ethical way.

01:07:06.000 Never tell a lie, always tell the truth, treat people well, be clear with your standards.

01:07:10.000 I could write a whole book on all this stuff, but smarter minds than me have.

01:07:13.000 So if you're more interested in business advice, I'm happy to talk about it later.

01:07:17.000 One more point I wanted to make.

01:07:18.000 I want to pitch an idea to you guys of making the Airbnb for jobs where it'd be people would do an apprenticeship instead of all this college nonsense.

01:07:29.000 They'll be able to come and learn hard skills out of business.

01:07:31.000 It's a good idea.

01:07:33.000 That's the person who has the time, I don't have the time, to disrupt the college industry will become a billionaire.

01:07:39.000 If somebody wants to become a billionaire, there is a $100 billion opportunity to create something that is in college that can get people equipped, trained for low cost.

01:07:48.000 It is a $100 billion idea.

01:07:50.000 No exaggeration.

01:07:51.000 It is the greatest need right now in job training and placement.

01:07:54.000 College is a scam.

01:07:55.000 Wrote a whole book on it.

01:07:56.000 Companies, companies know that college graduates mean nothing.

01:08:00.000 The piece of paper means nothing.

01:08:01.000 So who's going to fill the void?

01:08:03.000 Maybe one of you guys will.

01:08:04.000 Yes.

01:08:04.000 Thank you very much.

01:08:05.000 Unless it's Hillsdale.

01:08:06.000 Yes, I know.

01:08:07.000 I got to say it every time.

01:08:07.000 Yeah.

01:08:07.000 Okay, great.

01:08:08.000 Hey, Charlie, people who are lazy and don't have any hustle in politics.

01:08:12.000 And here, I didn't even think we were going to talk about YAF tonight.

01:08:15.000 About the what?

01:08:16.000 About YAF?

01:08:17.000 Next question.

01:08:19.000 So, howdy, y'all.

01:08:20.000 My name's Ethan Parks.

01:08:21.000 I'm from Sumter County, Florida.

01:08:23.000 You know where the Villages is?

01:08:24.000 Yeah, I love the Villages.

01:08:24.000 Yeah.

01:08:25.000 It's right below there in South County.

01:08:27.000 It's quite a place, the Villages.

01:08:29.000 Yes, quite a place.

01:08:30.000 Loof is everywhere.

01:08:33.000 So I go to South Sumter High School.

01:08:34.000 I'm the chapter president there.

01:08:37.000 Here at the Marshall College.

01:08:38.000 So, thank you.

01:08:39.000 So I'm in kind of a sticky situation.

01:08:42.000 My principal, you know, the villages is a conservative area, that area, very conservative.

01:08:47.000 My principal is conservative, but he's scared of the leftist and won't let us meet during the school day.

01:08:53.000 He said we have to do after school, but lots of us have jobs, including myself, so I can't do after school.

01:08:59.000 And, you know, I've had the thought of reporting it to someone, you know, because that's limiting our free speech.

01:09:06.000 We have the right to do that.

01:09:07.000 He'll let the fishing club meet, but won't let us.

01:09:11.000 So my mom's also the assistant principal.

01:09:15.000 So I'm kind of in a box there with what I can do.

01:09:20.000 So do y'all have any like information or advice that I can use?

01:09:26.000 Somebody else want to kick this one?

01:09:29.000 You're pointing at me like I'm a lawyer, and I just know a lot of lawyers.

01:09:33.000 No, but what would immediately stand out to me is just any, you know, even if you're a political organization, if you're a club that is allowed to exist at your school, which you are, like, if they're, they have to treat you just like they would treat any other club.

01:09:48.000 So obviously any other political club, but even most non-political clubs.

01:09:48.000 That is right.

01:09:52.000 So like they do have the obligation to treat you all the same.

01:09:56.000 How you should specifically react to it, you know, with your specific situation, I'm not there.

01:10:00.000 I can't easily dictate it.

01:10:02.000 But I think you would have a very strong argument to say, like, you actually have a legal obligation to treat us the same way as you would treat any other organization here.

01:10:11.000 And if you're not willing to do that, like, well, you can threaten to sue them, I suppose.

01:10:15.000 Yeah, and I mean, I would just try to demand for equal treatment, too, right?

01:10:19.000 And just try to be a little bit, you know, of a respectful pest, as we put it, right?

01:10:24.000 And, you know, you're going to get more with sugar than you are with spice.

01:10:27.000 You're in high school, right?

01:10:28.000 Especially in high school, yeah.

01:10:28.000 Yes.

01:10:30.000 But, I mean, trying to have, like, trying to be in a place of fear and saying we can't give you space is just not right.

01:10:36.000 Let's try to meet as many as we can.

01:10:36.000 So next question.

01:10:38.000 By the way, if it were me, I would just have the meeting anyway, man.

01:10:40.000 Just do it.

01:10:41.000 Yeah, I totally find a space and say, hey, we're meeting.

01:10:44.000 So shut it down.

01:10:46.000 Hello.

01:10:47.000 Hi, my name is Kristen LaMaida.

01:10:48.000 I am the president of Florida International University Turning Point USA chapter.

01:10:54.000 And I started a Turning Point USA chapter as well in Miami-Dade College because I'm a transfer student to Florida International University.

01:11:02.000 I've always aspired to get into politics and law, but lately, I'm a political science major.

01:11:08.000 Lately, as I've been progressing in my college career, now I'm a senior.

01:11:14.000 I have my aspirations have changed, and my aspiration to go to law school has dwindled.

01:11:20.000 I feel that I have another calling, which is to do something entrepreneurial and higher education.

01:11:27.000 And I would love to create another Hillsdale or another Liberty University.

01:11:32.000 So, I was wondering if you had any advice of how to start a private institution like that, a conservative, God-fearing institution, and also what your thoughts are.

01:11:46.000 Like, for example, I'm from Florida, DeSantis.

01:11:50.000 They reformed a new college, and now they want to make it conservative.

01:11:55.000 And so, some people, when they hear my idea of wanting to start like a conservative institution, they say, No, just focus on capturing the universities, which I think we need to do a little bit both.

01:12:06.000 So, what do you think?

01:12:07.000 We need to do a little bit of both, or just one of them, or well, James, you're familiar with some of this stuff, the higher education reform stuff, right?

01:12:13.000 I mean, yeah, it's a challenge, it's a real challenge.

01:12:16.000 I think I actually agree with you that both need to be happening. 0.97

01:12:18.000 You want to put pressure on the existing institutions and make them realize that they need to reform, but at the same time, if they have no competitors, they're not that likely to give a crap.

01:12:28.000 And so, you've got to have kind of some of both.

01:12:30.000 It's probably, I've never tried to start a university, but I'm assuming it's not easy.

01:12:36.000 It's very hard.

01:12:37.000 So, you should go by the Turning Point Academy booth.

01:12:39.000 They're going to be here all weekend starting on Saturday.

01:12:42.000 And just tell them your story, tell them you're a chapter leader.

01:12:45.000 They would love to chat with you.

01:12:46.000 And I would love to talk to you, James Lindsay, and Charlie Kirk, about the ideas I have for higher education to see if you guys have any ideas to add.

01:12:54.000 God bless you.

01:12:55.000 Thank you so much.

01:12:56.000 Thank you.

01:12:56.000 All right, let's get to as many as we can, everybody.

01:12:58.000 So, let's get straight to the questions.

01:12:59.000 Yes, alrighty.

01:13:00.000 So, Charlie, this one's probably going to be more for you.

01:13:02.000 I tried to ask earlier, but the mic lady didn't get to me.

01:13:05.000 So, I'm very passionate about agriculture.

01:13:07.000 I grew up on a farm.

01:13:08.000 I know that you guys just added Stephanie Nash on as an ag ambassador.

01:13:13.000 So, I'm just kind of wondering how I can connect my passion for agriculture and politics for advocating for that through Turning Point.

01:13:22.000 Because, like, I'm sure everybody heard about this lab-grown meat.

01:13:25.000 Like, what is that?

01:13:26.000 China is still buying up our land. 0.63

01:13:28.000 What is that?

01:13:29.000 Why in the hell are we buying meat and other products from overseas when we grow it just perfectly fine here in the U.S.?

01:13:37.000 You know what I mean?

01:13:38.000 So, do you have any resources for me or any advice of how I can kind of get connected in that?

01:13:42.000 Where are you from?

01:13:44.000 I'm in South Dakota.

01:13:45.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

01:13:47.000 Aren't you from South Dakota?

01:13:48.000 What part?

01:13:48.000 Yeah.

01:13:49.000 I'm not from a farm.

01:13:52.000 I am non-falls.

01:13:53.000 It's the only city of size.

01:13:55.000 So, and you were raised on a farm, I imagine.

01:13:56.000 Yep.

01:13:57.000 Are you studying agriculture in college?

01:13:59.000 Are they teaching you anything?

01:13:59.000 Yep.

01:13:59.000 Okay.

01:14:01.000 Yeah.

01:14:01.000 No.

01:14:03.000 Yeah.

01:14:03.000 I'm planning on transferring to a two-year because I can get tuition reimbursement.

01:14:07.000 But at this point, I really don't want to be in school.

01:14:10.000 Would you say it's true you learned more on the farm growing up than in college?

01:14:10.000 Is it true?

01:14:13.000 100%.

01:14:14.000 And an FFA, yeah.

01:14:15.000 Then why'd you go to college?

01:14:17.000 Because it was really pushed on me.

01:14:18.000 I was a first-generation.

01:14:20.000 I'm not trying to make you feel bad.

01:14:22.000 So I believe firmly that our food supply is one of the most important things that we need to talk about as conservatives.

01:14:22.000 Okay.

01:14:28.000 Okay.

01:14:28.000 I'm a big organic guy.

01:14:30.000 I like Locavorean.

01:14:31.000 I'm not a GMO fan.

01:14:32.000 I know that that's like controversial in the Midwest, but I think GMOs are terrible and awful and really bad.

01:14:38.000 And I think that the food supply is going to be one of the things that the World Economic Forum, the globalists and the left go after.

01:14:43.000 We as conservatives have to reject processed food.

01:14:46.000 We have to reject all this crap that we put in our foods, the dyes, red 40, purple 22. 0.99

01:14:52.000 You know, by the way, these oils, canola oil, all that, it is garbage for you, okay? 0.99

01:14:58.000 We eat way too much sugar, way too much carbohydrates.

01:15:01.000 I know the farmers hate when I say this, but honestly, corn is not good for you, okay?

01:15:05.000 Corn is real, I mean, I know people are going to boo me off stage, but corn has no nutritional value.

01:15:10.000 It's not good for you.

01:15:11.000 Blake, you'll back me up on this, right? 0.91

01:15:13.000 Corn is a demon.

01:15:14.000 Yeah, corn is really bad for you. 0.98

01:15:16.000 Cows are great for you, though.

01:15:17.000 So that's what I will agree. 0.55

01:15:18.000 We should have more cows and kill more cows and eat more meat, okay?

01:15:22.000 Dairy, I'm not a big believer in, but that's a separate issue. 0.90

01:15:25.000 But we need conservatives in agriculture.

01:15:28.000 And if that's your calling, you are on a righteous path because the worst vermin are getting involved in our food supply right now.

01:15:36.000 And we're all going to be less free because of what's happening with our food.

01:15:41.000 James, you're nodding along in agreement.

01:15:42.000 Can you elaborate on that?

01:15:44.000 I mean, the global program that we're all being subjected to to kind of just give it a bland name, the coming tyranny has to control the food supply.

01:15:54.000 And if we don't take very seriously controlling our own food supply and taking it to healthy places as opposed to unhealthy places, we're in really, really bad trouble.

01:16:04.000 We already saw the huge farmer issue in the Netherlands, obviously.

01:16:09.000 Now, that seems to be bearing a little bit of fruit in the right direction, sort of, now, but with root head to leave, or however you say that guy's name.

01:16:16.000 Jack, do you know how to say that guy's name?

01:16:17.000 The former prime minister of...

01:16:19.000 Well, the whole government collapsed.

01:16:21.000 Yeah, boo-hoo for this and migrants. 1.00

01:16:23.000 Yeah, so we've got to fight this fight.

01:16:24.000 And I agree with Charlie.

01:16:26.000 I'm not going to call corn a demon.

01:16:28.000 I'm not as dietarily.

01:16:30.000 I don't think anyone should eat corn.

01:16:32.000 I think it's bad for you.

01:16:32.000 Corn syrup, if you look actually through, here's the proof.

01:16:37.000 If you eat a cob of corn, you see a lot of it when it exits your body.

01:16:42.000 Right?

01:16:42.000 Your body's literally rejecting corn.

01:16:44.000 Charlie has a newborn, just everybody knows.

01:16:47.000 A newborn.

01:16:48.000 Oh, yeah, that's right.

01:16:50.000 And so.

01:16:51.000 Just trying to help you out, buddy.

01:16:52.000 Corn is very cheap to grow, but it's not, you don't need as, you need, you don't need carbohydrates to live, by the way.

01:16:58.000 There's three types of food, fat, protein, carbohydrates.

01:17:00.000 Get rid of all carbohydrates in your diet.

01:17:02.000 Eat healthy fats and protein, and you will be at a manageable weight for yourself.

01:17:07.000 How about this?

01:17:07.000 Maybe because, I mean, I'm hearing the great questions here.

01:17:10.000 I mean, what about like, you know, turning point farming, turning point?

01:17:14.000 Yeah.

01:17:16.000 I think you could lead it.

01:17:17.000 But I'm just saying, I'm going to get so many emails from, we have so many farmers that listen to us, and I have so much respect for them.

01:17:23.000 I'm not trying to insult their life's work of harvesting corn.

01:17:26.000 I just think it's, I think the abundance of corn in Western society is directly related to our obesity epidemic.

01:17:33.000 It's directly related.

01:17:34.000 From high-fructose corn syrup to the mass production, it goes directly into glucose creation into your body.

01:17:43.000 Your body does not turn it into anything useful except fat and maybe immediate sugar-high energy.

01:17:48.000 Any other thoughts?

01:17:49.000 Never forget, Charlie, that the civilization that gave us domesticated, cultivated corn also believed in ripping people's beating hearts out of their bodies to keep the sun rising.

01:18:00.000 No correlation, I'm sure.

01:18:01.000 But the most nutritious, the societies that lived the longest and actually had the best health outcomes were rooted in rice.

01:18:09.000 Well, one of the reasons we switched over to so much corn is because of the ethanol subsidies as well.

01:18:14.000 Yeah, and that's a hotly debated thing.

01:18:16.000 Again, I'm very appreciative of farmers and what they're doing, especially in harvesting cows because we need more cows.

01:18:23.000 They're not like climate change and all that.

01:18:25.000 But I think that the more we get away from our fixation with, you might say, I don't eat corn.

01:18:31.000 I bet I could prove to you that you have a lot of corn in your diet.

01:18:34.000 Your salad dressing, your soft drinks, your desserts, the amount of corn in our diet is just ridiculous.

01:18:42.000 I'm just imagining the Media Matters headline, Charlie Kirk's pogrom on corn.

01:18:47.000 America has apostatized from Christianity to worship the new god of corn.

01:18:53.000 And that is why the caucuses are in Iowa.

01:18:56.000 That is why we do ethanol.

01:18:58.000 That's why Iowa's the first in the nation.

01:18:59.000 The corner.

01:19:01.000 By the way, if I were to ever do anything, I would be booed off a stage in Iowa for saying that corn is not good.

01:19:07.000 I'm sorry, but it's just not good.

01:19:10.000 He'll boo me.

01:19:10.000 Something else that's not good is what you said: is letting Chinese and weirdo billionaires with nefarious plans buy all of our farmland.

01:19:19.000 And an issue that actually fits kind of within the spirit of your question is that communities can come together and start demanding that their counties or whatever else say no to this, even if it would rescue the community financially.

01:19:31.000 There are communities that have done this that have organized and fought back on this issue and said, no, we're not going to sell our farmland to Chinese, even if the money would help. 0.99

01:19:39.000 And that's a very, very powerful issue that I could see fitting in with the spirit of your question.

01:19:44.000 It's a good point of the spear to start working.

01:19:47.000 A lot of Americans are very aware that selling our farmland in massive amounts to Chinese interests or CCP interests, I should be more clear, into selling it to Bill Gates is probably not that great.

01:19:58.000 And those become community-level issues around which politics can be organized that can make a massive difference where it really matters.

01:20:05.000 It turns out whether you like corn or not.

01:20:07.000 All right.

01:20:08.000 Next question.

01:20:09.000 Thank you.

01:20:10.000 Thank you.

01:20:10.000 I'm very pro-corn farmer for the record.

01:20:12.000 Okay.

01:20:13.000 I just want to start by saying thank you guys.

01:20:15.000 It's a real honor that I get to ask you guys questions right now.

01:20:18.000 But my name is George Cecil and I'm from the great state of Idaho.

01:20:21.000 I was raised on a ranch and I was homeschooled.

01:20:24.000 And my question for you guys today is actually about digital currency.

01:20:28.000 So people in my area are really concerned that America is going to be going to like digital currency in the future and they're really worried about the implications of that.

01:20:37.000 What are your guys' thoughts on that?

01:20:39.000 If it's going to be coming up soon and what we could do to helpfully prevent it or what's going to be happening with that?

01:20:44.000 I mean, it's coming soon, that's for sure.

01:20:46.000 I mean, they openly said, I forgot who it was, but when I say they, there was a person with a name and as some slightly scarier voices than me say, and an address, who did say this, that by September, which is a very odd month to have picked 2024, that the shift to a digital dollar should be something that's fully in motion.

01:21:07.000 What I would say about what you're talking about with your colleagues and friends in Idaho is that they're on the right track.

01:21:15.000 Digital currency is not currency unless there are some massive, massive, massive safeguards that we don't even have anything like the infrastructure to put into place to protect people.

01:21:26.000 It is a set of digital coupons by which the most effective and powerful tyranny the world has ever seen can be put on people.

01:21:34.000 It is the vehicle for a social credit system from which there is no escape.

01:21:37.000 It's not just a social credit system that's an app that annoys you, tells you when you can buy a train ticket or when you can buy beef or when you can buy.

01:21:44.000 It is what your money can be used for, if anything at all, based on who you happen to be, what you happen to have done.

01:21:51.000 Did you come to a meeting like this, which is super not okay?

01:21:55.000 Did you listen to thought crimes, which is not okay?

01:21:57.000 I mean, we saw in the Canadian trucker revolt that they turned people's money off.

01:22:02.000 They froze their accounts.

01:22:04.000 Now, imagine currency that can be turned off for certain items, for like I said, meat, plane tickets, train tickets, whatever you want.

01:22:13.000 I'm thinking very European and Chinese with the train tickets because in China.

01:22:16.000 They're going to force Charlie to buy all the corn.

01:22:19.000 Yeah, right.

01:22:19.000 Yes, that's right.

01:22:20.000 Yeah, they'll force feed Charlie all the corn in the world.

01:22:23.000 All his money can buy is corn.

01:22:24.000 And the corn farmers will laugh and Schadenfreude, or however you say it, Schrodenfreud, say it, say it in German form.

01:22:31.000 Schneidenfreude.

01:22:32.000 Schadenfreude or whatever.

01:22:34.000 That thing where you're happy that somebody's bad.

01:22:36.000 Yes, delighting in people suffering.

01:22:39.000 The most important thing in the world, though, is that we have to stop.

01:22:42.000 As big as the farm thing was, the most important thing in the world is that we have to not have digital currency.

01:22:47.000 But I'd also, I guess, just add that to your question about, you know, is it coming?

01:22:53.000 It's here.

01:22:54.000 We already have digital.

01:22:55.000 The dollar is already digital.

01:22:56.000 How many times in the course of a regular week, think about this, do you actually use physical cash, right?

01:23:03.000 You're using Apple Pay, you're using whatever on your phone, you're using Stripe, you're using Square, you're using even when you use your card.

01:23:10.000 So I think about it, you know, talking about my kids again.

01:23:12.000 The only time my kids actually see dollars is when we're at church and we're giving in the collection plate.

01:23:17.000 That's it.

01:23:18.000 I've even gone to the ATM just make sure I have cash before I go to church.

01:23:22.000 And then even then, they've got the QR codes up in the pews now.

01:23:24.000 So we need to be very careful about this.

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01:24:32.000 Okay, we'll get to a couple more questions.

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01:24:36.000 So great question.

01:24:37.000 Thank you.

01:24:37.000 Next question.

01:24:38.000 Hi, guys.

01:24:39.000 Charlie, I watched your yes or no video with Michael Moles and I absolutely loved it.

01:24:43.000 Thank you.

01:24:44.000 And I was a little bit perplexed to hear that you're not in favor of the death penalty.

01:24:48.000 And I was wondering if you can elaborate on that and also what everyone else's view on the panel is about the death penalty.

01:24:48.000 Yeah.

01:24:55.000 So yeah, if you would have asked me this question, I would have been a lot more forceful years ago as being against the death penalty.

01:25:02.000 So let me talk on if we had a functioning society and a government that was set up properly, a life should be for a life, period. 0.80

01:25:13.000 You murder, you should be killed by the state. 0.98

01:25:16.000 This is in Genesis. 1.00

01:25:17.000 Yeah, it's in Genesis.

01:25:18.000 It's in Exodus.

01:25:19.000 It's in Leviticus.

01:25:20.000 It's very clear.

01:25:21.000 So that's my moral position.

01:25:24.000 Okay.

01:25:25.000 The hesitation I have is our current government, when you execute somebody that then gets exonerated 10 or 20 years later, the wrongful execution of people, that makes me take a little pause.

01:25:38.000 Number two, I'm generally on this theme of if you give government the ability to kill us, that they're going to like start droning us.

01:25:46.000 I know that sounds really crazy, but like the erosion of due process and how government is abusing every power we give them is disproportionately used against conservatives. 0.98

01:25:56.000 So the third thing, this really shouldn't matter as much because we spend money on stupid stuff. 0.98

01:26:00.000 The death penalty is actually more expensive. 0.99

01:26:02.000 I know it might sound differently.

01:26:03.000 You know, it might be less expensive.

01:26:05.000 But I have changed in the once I used to be like totally against it, a lot more like civil libertarian on it.

01:26:13.000 But I've moved because in the sense of if we had a functioning government, which we don't, and a criminal justice system that was somewhat like clear and effective.

01:26:23.000 Like, for example, if it's you're tried by a jury of your peers with like indisputable video evidence and you admit that you murder somebody, I think you should receive the death penalty, right?

01:26:31.000 But there's like a really murky case right now in Oklahoma where a guy's on death row and Blake would even agree.

01:26:37.000 Like it's the weirdest case where it's like, did he pay for the guy to be killed?

01:26:40.000 And he hasn't admitted to it and it's been like a mistrial and it has to keep on getting delayed.

01:26:45.000 So let's say we killed a guy and we find out like 10 years later, like that, that I think is one of the great evils a government can do is murdering an innocent man.

01:26:53.000 And that happens a lot, by the way, a lot more hundreds of times over the last couple of decades.

01:26:58.000 So morally, I could, if I believed in the Bible, there's no way I could possibly say I don't believe in the death penalty.

01:27:05.000 It is ridiculously clear.

01:27:07.000 But Jack, I'm curious because you're super Catholic.

01:27:09.000 The Catholic Church is against the death penalty.

01:27:12.000 Like forcefully against the death penalty.

01:27:15.000 It's Catholic social teaching.

01:27:17.000 We have a current Pope who has introduced new doctrines.

01:27:23.000 100% sure.

01:27:23.000 Before the Pope, it was advocacy within the Catholic Church.

01:27:27.000 Charlie, the Catholic Church has a lot of history involving the death penalty.

01:27:31.000 And if you want to go full-on 2,000 years, I think the Catholic Church is pretty clear that it has exercised and been for the death penalty for many, many times in the past.

01:27:40.000 This is a new teaching which has arisen in the very John Paul II was against it.

01:27:46.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:27:47.000 The last thing Francis, I'm saying 2,000 years, but he didn't change doctrine.

01:27:53.000 John Paul II didn't change doctrine.

01:27:55.000 He issued encyclicals on the death penalty.

01:27:57.000 Which he was, he said he was against it.

01:27:58.000 But we already said he was against it, basically on the same things that you were just talking about.

01:28:02.000 But it was Pope Francis that has been moving to actually change doctrine on this.

01:28:07.000 This is also something that's been that if you go back just two or three more popes, you would get the exact opposite on that.

01:28:14.000 And this is why this.

01:28:15.000 It's in the catechism, though.

01:28:17.000 And this is what Francis has done.

01:28:19.000 Okay.

01:28:20.000 So that's under Francis.

01:28:21.000 So no pope has touched this prior to that.

01:28:23.000 And you can go back to Pope Leo, you can go back to Pope Pius, where they were very forcefully for the death penalty based on the reasoning that it is the state meeting out your punishment for you essentially abrogating your own right to life.

01:28:39.000 So the state does not take away your right to life.

01:28:41.000 You, through dint of your own actions at depriving another of their right to enjoyment of life, have lost it, getting a little philosophical there.

01:28:48.000 But yes, it is clearly something that has arisen in the later church, the modern church, which is something that you know that I've spoken out against.

01:28:56.000 Of course, I'm just curious.

01:28:57.000 Blake Hart, you're pro-death penalty enthusiastically.

01:29:00.000 And I personally am pro-death penalty.

01:29:02.000 I go up and down.

01:29:02.000 You're pro-capital punishment.

01:29:03.000 Oh, yeah?

01:29:04.000 Yeah.

01:29:04.000 Okay.

01:29:06.000 I think basically Jack's summary is correct, which is historically the church was tolerant of it.

01:29:13.000 And it is a relatively recent shift to being strongly against it.

01:29:20.000 And it's always been the same.

01:29:22.000 Like you can't pursue, you can't do it for vengeance-based reasons, but there is a valid justification for the state to do it, just as the state has justification for punishing other crimes.

01:29:35.000 As Christians were told to turn the other cheek and love our enemies and all of that.

01:29:39.000 But we've never equated that with like the government, for example, is not allowed to punish criminals.

01:29:43.000 That like all of society must collectively.

01:29:46.000 It's an administration of justice.

01:29:48.000 Exactly.

01:29:48.000 It's temporal justice versus eternal judgment.

01:29:51.000 I think in many other contexts, we tolerate this, which is, you know, when we wage a war, as long as the war is just, like, we do accept that warfare kills innocent people.

01:30:01.000 And even things like, you know, when the police try use, you know, sometimes police use their guns to stop a criminal in the act or someone who's acting dangerously.

01:30:11.000 And that kills bystanders.

01:30:13.000 There are all sorts of things that we do that on the margins can hurt innocent people and sometimes even kill innocent people.

01:30:20.000 And I think it's strange that we treat the death penalty as the exception to this, especially when there are plenty of cases where the risk of anyone innocent being caught in it are extremely low.

01:30:32.000 Like Dylan Ruby, why can't you kill Dylan Ruby?

01:30:35.000 I think the middle ground is: okay, you're a school shooter and you obviously did it. 0.99

01:30:40.000 Capital punishment, 10 weeks, quick, public.

01:30:42.000 Parkland.

01:30:43.000 Parkland shooter, you know, the South Carolina, right?

01:30:47.000 Any one of these matt, like the...

01:30:49.000 Neither of them got it, though, is the point.

01:30:51.000 I think that I would be more than willing to sign on to that.

01:30:56.000 I looked it up.

01:30:57.000 190 people have been wrongly executed in the last 30 years.

01:31:00.000 It's these murky, one-off, like DNA cases with no admission of guilt.

01:31:04.000 109.

01:31:05.000 I'd be very skeptical of that figure.

01:31:07.000 Yeah, I mean, that's better not be from unarmed people shot by people.

01:31:10.000 No, it's not.

01:31:12.000 It is from a place that is sympathetic against the capital punishment.

01:31:14.000 Let's say it's half, okay, 80.

01:31:16.000 That still makes me take pause.

01:31:19.000 The government wrongly executing people could impact every single one of us.

01:31:24.000 That's a serious thing.

01:31:25.000 I mean, you look at what they're doing.

01:31:25.000 Because by definition, it's irreversible.

01:31:27.000 You look at the way they've treated Gen 6 defended.

01:31:30.000 No, that's the point, though.

01:31:31.000 No, I get what you're saying.

01:31:32.000 That's true.

01:31:32.000 It is irreversible, but so is, again, if the police use force and just accidentally kill someone.

01:31:38.000 Or like when we use when we let police do the car chases, sometimes they'll kill people in car acts.

01:31:44.000 Those are irreversible.

01:31:45.000 Those are moments of frenetic unpredictability.

01:31:48.000 The death penalty is a planned and intentional and methodical decision, right?

01:31:53.000 Like police using force.

01:31:54.000 You have a gun being thrown at you.

01:31:56.000 Is it a knife?

01:31:56.000 Is it not?

01:31:57.000 Like, it's high passion, high, you know, high adrenaline.

01:31:59.000 But we could say, we could say that's so dangerous that we just police are disarmed.

01:32:03.000 Police can't carry.

01:32:04.000 I'm not making that argument, right?

01:32:05.000 Well, I think what Blake is saying, though, is liberals will make force.

01:32:09.000 And so that it's government use of force.

01:32:11.000 So in that instance, would you be okay with that police officer facing charges if they killed somebody?

01:32:15.000 Well, but if they murdered the person.

01:32:17.000 What are he saying if they killed them in the furtherance of their duties?

01:32:21.000 Under their duties?

01:32:22.000 No.

01:32:22.000 I mean, if it's not, I mean, no, of course not.

01:32:24.000 I mean, if it depends on is it murder or is it self-defense?

01:32:27.000 But what if it was an innocent bystander?

01:32:30.000 Again, was it the context matters?

01:32:32.000 Show me an example, right?

01:32:33.000 Like a six-year-old girl gets caught in a crossfire.

01:32:36.000 Gets in a crossfire?

01:32:36.000 No, no, of course not.

01:32:38.000 But would you charge the officer?

01:32:39.000 No, of course not.

01:32:40.000 No, because the intention matters a lot.

01:32:42.000 That's the way our criminal system is built.

01:32:44.000 And that's my point.

01:32:44.000 It's a fun argument.

01:32:45.000 We should probably have a question.

01:32:47.000 No, but we could do a whole show on this.

01:32:49.000 But if a police officer pulled his car over and shot a six-year-old, then yeah, that police officer should get the death penalty, right?

01:32:54.000 Like that's the way that a functioning system.

01:32:56.000 Well, great, but then it comes down to the legitimate use of government force.

01:33:01.000 No, the question is, what kind of force and in what context are you happy with it? 0.76

01:33:05.000 If it's by a jury of your peers, methodically done, and it's basically irrefutable school shooter admission of guilt, then a threshold I think can be understandably reached where it's like, okay, kill the guy.

01:33:17.000 I just want to know why the Boston bomber is still breathing.

01:33:19.000 It's a little bit in the weeds.

01:33:20.000 Sorry.

01:33:21.000 Okay, let's try to get to a couple more.

01:33:23.000 So I just wanted to quickly thank you, Charlie, for just starting turning point.

01:33:28.000 I'm extremely grateful to be a part of this organization.

01:33:31.000 I'm sure everybody else here is.

01:33:34.000 So my question, I had to write it down because I didn't want to forget.

01:33:38.000 So given the polarization that we continue to see in this country, I'm curious if you have considered a discussion with someone who's reasonable on the left.

01:33:46.000 There's a political commentator who's been on Lex Friedman and Tim Poole.

01:33:49.000 He's called Destiny.

01:33:50.000 Yeah, I've heard of him.

01:33:51.000 And I was just wondering if you had ever thought about having a discussion, just not even really a debate, but a discussion with someone else.

01:33:58.000 You've talked to him, haven't you, John?

01:33:59.000 I have a couple times.

01:34:00.000 Yeah, I've done a few, I guess you would say, forums.

01:34:03.000 They're called Better Discourse Events.

01:34:06.000 And Destiny.

01:34:07.000 No, look, as much as people get on the right, get upset at Destiny, I've always said that I think it's great that Destiny is willing to sit down and have those discussions.

01:34:19.000 He and I have gone to blows.

01:34:20.000 We got into it over the intelligence community once a couple years ago.

01:34:24.000 We got into it over the Hunter Biden laptop just a couple months ago, which where I totally schooled him.

01:34:30.000 But no, I've always appreciated that he's been willing as a guy nominally on the left to just sit down because there's so many people who refuse to do anything like that anymore.

01:34:42.000 I'd be happy to talk to him.

01:34:43.000 I mean, I've debated Sam Cedar to Hassan Piker to Vish.

01:34:47.000 What's his name?

01:34:48.000 Voush.

01:34:49.000 Vauch.

01:34:49.000 Vausch.

01:34:50.000 Yeah, whatever.

01:34:51.000 So, I mean, I'll debate almost anyone anytime in good faith, and I've done it before.

01:34:54.000 I'll do it again.

01:34:55.000 But, Charlie, who would you box?

01:34:56.000 That's what we really want to know.

01:34:57.000 Who would you box on the left?

01:34:59.000 Probably all of them.

01:35:00.000 Hassan would be tough.

01:35:01.000 Hassan, he's no, Hassan is Sam Hyde. 0.71

01:35:04.000 He's what?

01:35:04.000 Hassan is going up against Sam Hyde.

01:35:06.000 Sam Hyde called him out.

01:35:07.000 Oh, is that right?

01:35:08.000 I don't know.

01:35:10.000 I'm not much of a boxing type.

01:35:11.000 So, all right, next one.

01:35:12.000 Thank you.

01:35:13.000 Thank you.

01:35:15.000 Hi, my name is Leo Kinnitz.

01:35:16.000 I'm from the wonderful state of Iowa.

01:35:19.000 Thank you very much, Charlie.

01:35:20.000 Thank you.

01:35:21.000 Uh-oh, the corn farmer.

01:35:22.000 I am destroying your economy.

01:35:25.000 Yes.

01:35:26.000 He's been lying in wait.

01:35:28.000 So at my school, we have some very liberal teachers.

01:35:31.000 One of them, I wore a Let's Go Brandon sweater with Trump, and it was like a Christmas sweater, so he's wearing a Christmas hat.

01:35:39.000 Anyways, my Spanish teacher pulled me out of class and said, this is very disrespectful.

01:35:44.000 If you ever wear this again, that's a detention.

01:35:47.000 And she actually kicked me out of Spanish for that.

01:35:49.000 So I don't know why.

01:35:51.000 Luckily, I didn't have to deal with her anymore.

01:35:54.000 But I also had another teacher that, you know, I was asking, hey, would you like to sponsor a Turning Point Club? 0.99

01:36:00.000 She was like, hell no.

01:36:02.000 I hate Governor Reynolds. 0.93

01:36:04.000 No.

01:36:05.000 And I just want to get your position on should teachers be allowed to discuss their point of politics and whether if they're liberal or conservative.

01:36:15.000 James, you've done a lot of research on this.

01:36:17.000 I mean, they very clearly discuss their politics.

01:36:20.000 This is a position that is formally known as liberating tolerance, which is a big word salad phrase that means that their policies aren't considered politics and yours are, and politics aren't allowed under that weird definition.

01:36:34.000 Kind of like their people are considered people and yours aren't under their weird definition.

01:36:40.000 They're just pushing respect, James.

01:36:42.000 Yeah, yeah, I buy that for sure.

01:36:46.000 I think we actually kind of talked about this a little bit earlier, was that, you know, like Blake said, that everybody should be treated, ideally, everybody should be treated equally.

01:36:55.000 What we see happening is obviously that this is not happening, that the teachers believe that they are just teaching respect and that you are representing hate.

01:37:05.000 And so this is a very challenging space to be in.

01:37:08.000 And you are, in fact, disenfranchised in your own great state of Iowa.

01:37:12.000 By the way, Iowa is one of the few states that I got yelled at and jeered at when I visited.

01:37:17.000 So I know you have some very liberal professionals in your state, and I sympathize with you for that.

01:37:23.000 But what you actually, what you have to do is you have to understand that there is a bias here.

01:37:29.000 And every time they exercise this bias on you, it becomes an opportunity to point out you are exercising bias against me.

01:37:37.000 That's the thing you say that you're against.

01:37:39.000 They don't care about the hypocrisy, but other people will.

01:37:42.000 Other people will start to realize if you talk about it enough, that's obviously biased.

01:37:47.000 That's not fair.

01:37:49.000 A friend of mine, his name is Chris Elston.

01:37:51.000 He goes by Billboard Chris.

01:37:52.000 You may have seen him on social media.

01:37:53.000 Whereas signs that say things like very controversial statements, like children cannot consent to puberty blockers.

01:37:58.000 And he goes out in the streets and the left gets very upset with him for this.

01:38:02.000 In Canada, they've actually physically assaulted him.

01:38:04.000 They broke his arm one time.

01:38:06.000 The cops will tend to watch and laugh or turn and pretend they didn't see anything and ignore.

01:38:11.000 So he has this exact same thing.

01:38:12.000 And if he gets put to it and asks, why aren't you doing anything?

01:38:16.000 They'll say your sign is provoking violence.

01:38:19.000 And so this is the environment, unfortunately.

01:38:21.000 Luckily, it's better in the U.S., but this is the environment that we live in.

01:38:25.000 And Chris, I would urge you to go check him out.

01:38:27.000 It's Billboard Chris on social media.

01:38:30.000 You can find him pretty easily.

01:38:32.000 He's very, very good at handling this and channeling when that happens into productive action that gets people's attention, whether it's locally or more broadly.

01:38:40.000 And I suggest you do that.

01:38:42.000 All right.

01:38:42.000 Thank you, man.

01:38:43.000 We'll try to get to just a couple more.

01:38:44.000 Let's blitz through these and then we're already over time.

01:38:47.000 I'm from Turning Point UNL, where the Nebraska Corn Huskers.

01:38:50.000 Sorry, Charlie.

01:38:51.000 Corn.

01:38:53.000 I just wanted to see your guys' thoughts on the current Federal Reserve system and then U.S. monetary policy as a whole.

01:38:59.000 Yeah, I mean, I think the Fed should be abolished, and it never should have been created.

01:39:03.000 It's an unconstitutional thing.

01:39:05.000 Andrew Jackson was right.

01:39:09.000 Ron Paul was right.

01:39:10.000 It's an unconstitutional thing.

01:39:12.000 Every one of you are poor day by day before you even get in the ball game because of a cartel of criminals that are running our currency system.

01:39:20.000 It's an illegally chartered, I believe, unconstitutional project.

01:39:23.000 I can go in and into it.

01:39:24.000 It's not going to happen.

01:39:25.000 So you have to take authority and responsibility for your own money.

01:39:30.000 And that means, you know, I personally invest in stable things that actually appreciate in value and try to get rid of my dollar bills as quickly as possible into things that are actually hopefully going to last, like bullets and land and gold and silver and the proper cryptocurrencies.

01:39:46.000 I'm not here to give you an investment advice.

01:39:48.000 You guys can disagree.

01:39:49.000 And then buying stock certificates in companies that I think are actually going to last long term.

01:39:53.000 So look, the Fed should be abolished.

01:39:55.000 Isn't it amazing that our audience applauds when you say you're going to abolish the Fed?

01:40:00.000 That's how enlightened our students are.

01:40:02.000 The Fed has made every one of you 90% poorer than you should be over the last 50 years.

01:40:07.000 Are we going to get to talk about the Titanic now?

01:40:10.000 We already know.

01:40:12.000 It all began in 1913.

01:40:17.000 JP Morgan planned the whole thing.

01:40:18.000 JP Morgan put that iceberg there.

01:40:23.000 Thank you.

01:40:23.000 Let's get to the next question.

01:40:24.000 Jackal Island, baby.

01:40:26.000 All right.

01:40:26.000 My name's Colin.

01:40:27.000 That's with two L's.

01:40:29.000 I'm also from Nebraska, so I am a corn husker at heart, everyone.

01:40:33.000 Charlie's taking it on the chin.

01:40:34.000 No, I'm not.

01:40:35.000 I just bully Charlie.

01:40:37.000 Bully him.

01:40:38.000 This is a corn.

01:40:40.000 You'll be happier.

01:40:41.000 This is kind of a fun question, but it's all from four of you.

01:40:44.000 But I assume all of you guys work out.

01:40:47.000 I'm just curious: how much do you guys bench?

01:40:51.000 Blake, you first.

01:40:52.000 No, I'm going last.

01:40:54.000 Okay.

01:40:56.000 I know James can bench more than I can.

01:40:58.000 Can I?

01:40:58.000 I don't know.

01:40:59.000 We should find out.

01:41:01.000 It's been a long time.

01:41:02.000 I don't know.

01:41:03.000 I obviously haven't done a flat bench in a while.

01:41:05.000 I've mostly been focusing on incline lately.

01:41:10.000 I think you get faster gains with an incline bench, so I wouldn't even be able to tell you what my 1RM is right now.

01:41:16.000 What's your three-rep max on incline?

01:41:18.000 On the incline, three rep max.

01:41:20.000 I haven't maxed out in forever.

01:41:21.000 I mean, I know, right?

01:41:23.000 No, I know, I know.

01:41:24.000 No, just being honest.

01:41:25.000 Just being honest.

01:41:26.000 Okay, I made these guys.

01:41:29.000 I haven't done a one rep max.

01:41:31.000 I can do 230 times five.

01:41:34.000 Is that bench press?

01:41:35.000 It's impressive.

01:41:35.000 I can't.

01:41:36.000 No, I'm like.

01:41:37.000 There you go.

01:41:38.000 All right.

01:41:40.000 Wow.

01:41:42.000 Yeah, less than that, like 225, three or four times.

01:41:47.000 I haven't been my lifetime, I'll put it this way, and this is what I've always stuck to.

01:41:52.000 My father always taught me this: is you should be able to bench your body weight.

01:41:56.000 You should be able to bench your body weight.

01:41:58.000 And I've always been able to my entire life.

01:42:01.000 There you go.

01:42:02.000 Thank you.

01:42:02.000 Which was pretty impressive during the more important question.

01:42:06.000 Pull-ups are the true marketing.

01:42:07.000 I know, right?

01:42:08.000 Yeah.

01:42:09.000 You can do 10 pull-ups.

01:42:10.000 And I weigh 225, so that's a lot to pull up.

01:42:14.000 There you go.

01:42:14.000 And Blake is single.

01:42:16.000 By the way, no, he is.

01:42:17.000 Blake is single.

01:42:18.000 He has an IQ of 183.

01:42:21.000 He speaks four different languages and can bench 235 times.

01:42:25.000 Five times.

01:42:26.000 Five times.

01:42:27.000 And that beard, folks, that beard.

01:42:29.000 Bully Blake.

01:42:31.000 Is he on FarmersOnly.com?

01:42:32.000 Yeah, he's on.

01:42:34.000 Only Farmers. 0.96

01:42:34.000 He's on Farmers Only from my opinion. 0.96

01:42:36.000 Only corn.

01:42:37.000 And he only eats corn.

01:42:38.000 He's a corn husker, too.

01:42:40.000 Yes.

01:42:40.000 All right.

01:42:41.000 All right.

01:42:42.000 One or two more.

01:42:42.000 My name's Matt.

01:42:44.000 I'm from Iowa State University, where we have better corn than the Huskers and the Hawkeyes.

01:42:49.000 Uh-oh.

01:42:51.000 Yeah, you might have to sign me up to be a teacher for that school of bullying, James.

01:42:57.000 Yeah, Charlie loves that.

01:42:59.000 But anyway, my dream is to eventually own an unwoke sports broadcasting company to dethrone ESPN as the worldwide leader in sports.

01:43:09.000 Charlie, you over the last 11 years have experienced building a company from nothing to all of this.

01:43:21.000 How do you go from the ground up to this?

01:43:25.000 That's a great question.

01:43:26.000 First, you have to dominate something small.

01:43:29.000 So if you want to create something really big, you have to dominate either a locality, a genre, or a niche.

01:43:35.000 Every successful company was able to be very successful first at something very specific, right?

01:43:42.000 Whether it be Apple or Microsoft, Starbucks, Home Depot, the big thing you see is not what started.

01:43:50.000 Like with Turning Point, we have TPSFA, Turning Point Academy, Turning Point Production, Turning Point Media, Professor Watchlist, School Board Watchlist, High School Chapters, College Chapters, Turning Point Action, Precinct Committee Project, Turning Point Pack, Charlie Kirk Show, Thought Crimes, started with one thing.

01:44:03.000 I drove to college campus after college campus, begging kids not to become commies.

01:44:08.000 And I got good at it, right?

01:44:10.000 And had no money, no connections, no idea what I was doing, but I had a ton of energy, but I was focused on one thing.

01:44:16.000 And then I was like, okay, in order to do that one thing, then I need to get good at raising money and built a small team.

01:44:21.000 But so if you have a big vision, you have to just think really, really small.

01:44:26.000 And then once you have that small thing and you dominate, then you can start to scale, right?

01:44:31.000 When people say they want to start a national business, I say, first, why don't you become the number one pretzel shop or coffee shop in your city?

01:44:40.000 Like win your city first, and then you can open up a store across town and then across the state.

01:44:45.000 Then you can go regional.

01:44:47.000 That's exactly what Starbucks did.

01:44:48.000 Starbucks started as one coffee shop in downtown Seattle.

01:44:51.000 Chipotle started as one restaurant in downtown Denver, right?

01:44:54.000 McDonald started as one restaurant by Ray Kroc in suburban Chicago.

01:44:59.000 And so people think you want to have that kind of big, you know, vision, that big thing, but you want to start there.

01:45:05.000 Then you have to want it more than your competition.

01:45:07.000 And then when your back's against the wall and you want to give up, you're going to have to want to continue because it will happen and expect to lose most of your friends, get sued, make no money for five to six years, sleep five hours a night for almost every single night, lose all of your savings for just a chance to maybe be moderately successful.

01:45:28.000 All right, thank you.

01:45:29.000 Remember the last Bible verse that we talked about when we got off the plane in San Diego, Charlie, what we were talking about?

01:45:34.000 Which one was it?

01:45:35.000 Which, which, oh, you asked me what my favorite part of the Bible is.

01:45:38.000 No, I don't remember what you said.

01:45:39.000 The parable of the talents.

01:45:40.000 Yes, that's exactly right.

01:45:42.000 I gave you the modern version.

01:45:44.000 The parable of the talents is equally applicable.

01:45:49.000 What will you do with what God has given you?

01:45:50.000 Okay, this will be the last question.

01:45:53.000 Wow.

01:45:54.000 Don't worry.

01:45:55.000 I care more about conservatism than corn.

01:45:59.000 So you're good with me.

01:46:00.000 Got a lot of conservative.

01:46:01.000 Got a lot of corn apologists here.

01:46:03.000 My name is Gabe.

01:46:04.000 I'm from Kentucky.

01:46:06.000 Sadly, I don't really have a big question, but I would like you to maybe weigh in on what I have to say.

01:46:11.000 So I'm going to go back to what you were talking about way earlier in the program about the administrative state and our institutions that are turning against us, like the FBI, CIA.

01:46:22.000 The list goes on, of course.

01:46:24.000 And I go back to our founders, what they had to say about it in the Declaration of Independence.

01:46:28.000 Grievance number 10 against the King, of course, was he erected a multitude of offices and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

01:46:36.000 Is there anything that you guys would like to add to that?

01:46:38.000 And I want to say I really love you.

01:46:41.000 And you guys are such inspirations to all of us.

01:46:44.000 The young lady behind you will get the final question because you didn't have a question.

01:46:47.000 But I will answer whatever it was.

01:46:48.000 James, you have a comment on that?

01:46:49.000 Anybody have a comment on that, Jack?

01:46:52.000 I think when we teach the Declaration, we, and look, you know, and I work for humanevents.com and right there went in the course of human events.

01:47:00.000 But I think we teach the Declaration and we skip over the grievances.

01:47:05.000 And I think we need to teach those as well.

01:47:08.000 I'll just say all this equity crap came up in the administrative state apparatus.

01:47:12.000 I mean, if you follow it, there was a book written by this weird guy with a weird name, Dwight Waldo, in 1948, or five maybe one or the other.

01:47:21.000 And it's called The Administrative State.

01:47:22.000 You can look it up and see what they thought about it.

01:47:24.000 And he hosted this huge conference.

01:47:25.000 And it's called the Minnowbrook Conference.

01:47:27.000 And in 1968, they held the Minnowbrook Conference, and a guy named George Frederickson was there, and they laid out the idea that it's not enough for public administration to be thinking about the two E's of efficiency and economy.

01:47:40.000 They also need to think of the third E, which is equity, which is adjusting shares so citizens are made equal.

01:47:46.000 So if you want to know why our society is lurching into communism, the administrative state has an awful lot to do with that.

01:47:52.000 So I applaud you for bringing that up tonight.

01:47:54.000 Cool.

01:47:55.000 All right.

01:47:56.000 You have a question, though, my friend?

01:47:58.000 I do.

01:47:58.000 All right, you're the last question then.

01:48:00.000 My name is Delaney.

01:48:01.000 I'm from Capitol University.

01:48:03.000 We're about 15 minutes away from OSU.

01:48:05.000 I volunteered at the Live Free Tour.

01:48:09.000 I had a question.

01:48:10.000 This was, well, it kind of has a background to it, but my school has a professor named Clint Jones, and he is an ethics professor.

01:48:19.000 We're technically a Lutheran university, but we're very much not.

01:48:22.000 And he's in the Department of Religion and Philosophy. 0.60

01:48:26.000 And early January, he put on this presentation about love thy neighbor as thyself, masturbation, homoeroticism, and queer love in the life of Jesus Christ. 0.77

01:48:38.000 I'm sorry, that was really like off the wall.

01:48:42.000 Sorry, I did not see that coming.

01:48:44.000 Yeah, no, I'm so sorry.

01:48:45.000 I was like prepping the people behind me in front of me in line.

01:48:48.000 I was like prepping everyone in line.

01:48:50.000 I was like, I'm so sorry.

01:48:53.000 But Charlie, earlier today, you were talking about how you don't believe in really like choosing your battles, which I really do respect.

01:49:01.000 Do you think that with a professor like this who is so confident in his beliefs that he's willing to put a presentation on and force his students to go?

01:49:10.000 My roommate had to go unless she would want a failing grade in her class.

01:49:14.000 She didn't go.

01:49:15.000 But her alternative assignment was to write a seven-page paper about why Jesus was gay.

01:49:19.000 So it didn't really work out either way.

01:49:22.000 But do you believe that finding a professor who is so confident in his beliefs will reap any benefits or is he just going to get more?

01:49:30.000 I mean, he backed it up with scripture, which is obviously flawed.

01:49:34.000 Yeah, I mean, what scripture is he?

01:49:37.000 I didn't go. 0.78

01:49:38.000 He says Jesus is gay.

01:49:39.000 That's his scripture. 0.62

01:49:40.000 Yeah.

01:49:42.000 How about the Leviticus verse of thou shalt not lay with another man?

01:49:46.000 I have no idea.

01:49:48.000 And by the way, punishable by death in the Old Testament.

01:49:51.000 So that's really rich.

01:49:54.000 So he's saying, I'm happy to dive into the theology of it, which is not your question, but what should you do, basically?

01:50:02.000 Here's what I would, here's my encouragement, right?

01:50:05.000 Is that try to find somebody.

01:50:06.000 I mean, if I have time, I'll do it.

01:50:08.000 But try to find somebody to challenge these people.

01:50:10.000 They never want to debate.

01:50:12.000 And James will tell you why.

01:50:13.000 They want to groom, and they want to find people that can't intellectually defend their positions.

01:50:18.000 You know, I spoke at Arizona State University with Dennis Prager, and 35 professors signed an open letter saying that I should not be allowed on campus.

01:50:26.000 None of them wanted to talk to me.

01:50:28.000 They refused to ever have dialogue with us because it is a threat to them.

01:50:32.000 James, why is that?

01:50:33.000 Why don't they want to debate you?

01:50:35.000 Yes.

01:50:35.000 Well, I mean, there's the easy answer is because they don't believe, they know that their ideas don't have justification, so they have to assert them.

01:50:43.000 And if they're challenged, it threatens them, blah, blah, blah.

01:50:45.000 But within their own kind of line of thought, the reason is that to debate somebody is to platform the other alternative and thus to give it voice and thus to become complicit in the evil.

01:50:54.000 But that's much less interesting to me than I think what you should do.

01:50:58.000 These things actually tend to work out, but you have to have a little bit of courage.

01:51:03.000 These are the kinds of stories that, if they are properly packaged and put out into the world, go viral big time.

01:51:08.000 These are the kinds of stories that end up landing in an appellate court and getting a school in an awful lot of trouble because First Amendment rights protect people from being subjected to having to write what they would consider blasphemy.

01:51:21.000 This has happened at least as when it's a condition of employment, I know with professors, for example, the case of Merriweather versus Shawnee State.

01:51:28.000 But it's entirely possible that it could follow for a student who had to do this for a grade.

01:51:35.000 So I would encourage people, and I know you're young, and I know this isn't exactly something you want to hear, and it does take a lot of courage.

01:51:41.000 It's not easy.

01:51:41.000 But in cases like this, you have to be kind of willing not to go necessarily fool James O'Keefe, but to expose these things to get that citizen journalism out, and or, and I say that very much with the slash there, because it might be both and it might not.

01:51:55.000 You may have to be more prudent in how you approach it.

01:51:58.000 You may have to start thinking, this is the bravery part, by the way.

01:52:01.000 It's not hard to convince a 20-something-year-old to try to go viral on the internet.

01:52:04.000 It is hard to convince them to think of themselves as a potential plaintiff in a lawsuit and to seek out a law firm like Alliance Defending Freedom or whatever and try to see if you have a legal case or if your friend has a legal case for what they were put through being forced to do this for a grade and to be willing to do this.

01:52:21.000 If people aren't injured, there's no lawsuit, but the way that we're ultimately going to beat woke and preserve our society is by suing while the law is still something that can be on our side.

01:52:32.000 So I strongly encourage you to think: if you think you're being discriminated against, you may have to think that you have a lawsuit potential and reach out to some of these firms that are, they often show up with these conservative things so you can kind of figure out who they are and see if they will take a case.

01:52:48.000 If you're a student, probably pro bono, reach out to FHIR, the Foundation for Individual Rights and Education, see what they do.

01:52:54.000 They will send letters and the schools will back off and sometimes do damages or try to settle out of court or all kinds of things.

01:53:00.000 But if you don't slap them, the left consistently will break the law until you tell them they can't anymore.

01:53:08.000 And they will get away with it and get away with it and get away with it and just keep marching forward.

01:53:11.000 So somebody who's being discriminated against, and it might be you, and it's a big thing to ask.

01:53:16.000 So think about it.

01:53:19.000 Has to be willing to take up the lawsuit.

01:53:22.000 And I strongly encourage people to be willing to consider that when they are being discriminated against or something like this.

01:53:29.000 What I would say, just briefly, is also it is high stakes.

01:53:34.000 There is possible consequences to it.

01:53:36.000 But at the same time, it is lower than the consequences to standing up to something will often be in real life.

01:53:42.000 Like this person is threatening people with a failing grade, one of many classes they can possibly take at this school.

01:53:50.000 Whereas, you know, you'll face people who will boss you around and try to do bad stuff where you have to face losing your job and you might have a spouse, you might have children, like you have a lot to lose.

01:54:01.000 And it probably is better to at least get the training in standing up to things while it is lower stakes.

01:54:08.000 And that is what college actually is, even though it feels very high stakes a lot of the time.

01:54:13.000 It is a training ground for life.

01:54:15.000 Yes.

01:54:15.000 When Charlie was speaking earlier, I thought there are basically two paths, and you have to judge your temperament.

01:54:20.000 Either you consistently stand up, like he all urged you to do very, very well, very well, as a matter of fact, and you do it that way, or you realize we're going to need investigative journalists that are digging in and understanding this thing.

01:54:33.000 We're going to need lawyers who understand the left's misuses of the law and abuses of the law so they can make sure that constitutional law protects us from those.

01:54:41.000 And so you go in as kind of an upside-down investigator.

01:54:45.000 If you participate, though, in order to not get brainwashed, you have to be studying the brainwashing that they're doing and using it for some other purpose to expose them or defeat them later.

01:54:54.000 So always think about that.

01:54:56.000 If you're going to take the kind of fight road, then fight and fight with everything you have.

01:55:01.000 Teddy Roosevelt said, if it's gentlemanly possible not to hit, then you should not hit.

01:55:05.000 But if you must hit, never hit soft.

01:55:08.000 And you should keep that in mind.

01:55:09.000 It's my second favorite presidential quote.

01:55:12.000 On the other hand, if you get inside, you go all the way and you expose them.

01:55:16.000 Sorry, Charlie.

01:55:17.000 No, you're good.

01:55:18.000 You got another point?

01:55:19.000 I'm out of points unless you want to hear my first favorite.

01:55:21.000 Jack, any closing thoughts?

01:55:23.000 I just want to say thanks to everybody for coming out tonight.

01:55:25.000 Appreciate making this one of, I think, our number one episode of Thought Crime that we've held so far.

01:55:31.000 It's also our very first live episode.

01:55:33.000 So I'd like to say thank you to our first ever live, select live audience.

01:55:39.000 This has been awesome.

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01:55:45.000 We will see you tomorrow.

01:55:46.000 James Lindsay and I are going to be on stage at the Chapter Leadership Summit.

01:55:49.000 Tomorrow, we'll be taking questions, talking queer theory, wokeism, the need to stand, CRT, all that good stuff.

01:55:56.000 God bless you guys.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - July 15, 2023

ThoughtCrime Ep. 5: Andrew Tate - Pimp or Prophet?, The Corn God, Jonah Hill's Bad Breakup

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