00:00:24.000Now, before I get angry emails and all caps from people from the beautiful state of North Dakota, Iowa, and South Dakota, I love corn farmers.
00:00:32.000I do think that we have too much corn in our diet.
00:00:35.000And if you disagree, tell me why corn has a great nutritional upside.
00:00:40.000Because I could just start to see the emails.
00:00:41.000I have great respect for corn farmers, people that also raise cows.
00:01:22.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:30.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:35.000I don't know how it's legal and campaign finance to bribe people to be able to become small dollar donors.
00:02:41.000None of these people will remember, but the best way to do this was just what George W. Bush did, where if you raise $100,000, he just calls you a Maverick or whatever.
00:02:49.000Oh, yeah, yeah, like different titles.
00:03:33.000Well, it's sort of like, you know, we each do news shows basically on political shows every day of the week.
00:03:41.000And there's always certain topics that aren't necessarily in the news cycle or topics, by the way, that may be in the news cycle, but you can really only talk about them on Rumble because they are inherently thought crimes.
00:05:49.000I said, I don't, what is the deal here?
00:05:50.000Yeah, you said, you said, I heard about this guy, but you didn't know what he was about, and you didn't know why he was so popular and so much being shared to the point where, in at least one point of 2022, he was the most Googled man in the entire world.
00:06:42.000However, I will say this, and I want to discuss this: being a first-time viewer and consumer of Andrew Tate, and the other thing is he allegedly ran a cam girl business.
00:07:12.000And Jack, as you said, he's kind of playing a part of alpha male, perfect posture, kickboxer.
00:07:17.000And he is hitting on something that you're not allowed to say where there's a lot of truth to it.
00:07:22.000Well, Charlie, it's similar to what you talk about all the time: this sort of we've become a society of the men without chests.
00:07:32.000We raise boys to be meek and timid and listen to the consensus and seek the committee assignment rather than to be bold, strong, and assertive.
00:07:45.000And then along comes a guy like Tate who says, I'm going to break all the rules and I'm going to make money and I'm going to be with God is not happy with lots of women.
00:08:00.000And we can talk about that later, too.
00:08:04.000Then it gets into this, it's essentially filling a niche, right?
00:08:09.000It's a niche that society doesn't have.
00:08:11.000And yet, at the same time, for a lot of young, predominantly men, it's someone for them to look to glom onto, saying this is a path forward that doesn't pertain to all the insanity that we see going on, whether it be in Disney, whether it be in schools, etc.
00:08:28.000So I want to ask how many of you knew about Andrew Tate like a year ago.
00:08:42.000He basically took viral celebrity status and turned it into a multi-level marketing thing.
00:08:49.000So you would gain status in the Andrew Tate cult, for lack of a better term, by sharing his video clips.
00:08:57.000So it wouldn't even be that he had one account that he would share stuff on.
00:09:01.000It would be that 10,000 accounts were all sharing Andrew Tate clips.
00:09:07.000So, but then, okay, so, but does it then reach the threshold?
00:09:12.000He had virality beyond imagination, talking about what exactly that men need to be men, men need to learn how to say no, take responsibility.
00:09:20.000But then James, he got canceled from the internet in a way that only Alex Jones and Donald Trump have before, which was multi-institutional, multi-company, multi-government deplatforming instantaneously.
00:09:50.000But like, somebody talked about it on a lot, you know, it got big last year, and I was like, is he that guy that said that stuff about COVID that nobody was allowed to say?
00:10:09.000He also got big in crypto because he actually accurately predicted the bottom of Bitcoin, bought in when everybody else was getting out, made a ton of money on that with COVID, always was extremely outspoken.
00:10:23.000And then when he got, you know, he was diagnosed with COVID, he caught it.
00:10:27.000He then posted a video the next day of doing like 100 push-ups, you know, having this huge response to it, et cetera, et cetera.
00:10:34.000No, so he's like the perfect character, though.
00:10:36.000This is really actually important, Charlie.
00:11:02.000And we all started to celebrate our demise.
00:11:04.000So this is the way that they build the case to start deplatforming people, is they take a controversial edge case where some people are like, oh, yeah, he's got to go.
00:11:35.000What, morally, what has Andrew Tate done that is, let's say, less than virtuous?
00:11:41.000Well, it does stand out to me that this is all happening in the same two-week period where like Sound of Freedom is the number one movie in America, and it's all about human trafficking.
00:11:51.000And what he did do is he would publish guides.
00:11:55.000He would try to essentially recruit people to pay money to get his essentially like pickup artist type stuff.
00:12:01.000I don't know if that's the right word for it, but it's in that universe.
00:12:04.000And he would get people to pay for this, and he would literally brag, like, you know, I am so good at this that I can talk to all these chicks and I can sleep with them really quickly, and then I can get them to be in my cam girl business because they're all in love with me.
00:12:18.000And 99% of women will do things that no one else's women will ever do for them because I'm super alpha.
00:12:25.000And, you know, whether he's fully telling the truth about that or not, like, objectively, that's probably what most human trafficking actually looks like, more so than like abducting eight-year-olds in like Guatemala and selling them to pedophiles.
00:12:42.000Like, there's a lot of this sort of stuff where you essentially get girlfriends and you get them to do things for you to make money that are not morally that good.
00:12:52.000And he basically very publicly does that.
00:12:55.000And, you know, whether he actually raped anyone or not, which he says he didn't, it seems indisputably true that he is essentially a digital pimp.
00:13:04.000And, you know, as conservatives, I don't know that we're in favor of digital pimping, as it were.
00:13:13.000But I mean, listening to him at length with Tucker, when he was starting to pinpoint the all-out, the framing of Tate's argument can be summarized as you're being conquered even though you don't know it.
00:13:27.000And the way you're being conquered is the slow slitting of the throat of your men.
00:13:33.000His argument can be summarized as the West is being invaded from within, and it's happening through the lowering of testosterone rates, the feminizing of your men.
00:13:45.000And I think that's a super insightful and albeit somewhat like quasi-conspiratorial, but I don't mean that negatively because I actually believe it.
00:13:54.000I think that's true, but it's also true.
00:13:55.000You don't even mean like conspiratorial.
00:13:57.000I mean, lots of different factors have to come together.
00:13:59.000It's true, but it's, I think, in an era, in an era we would regard as a better America and a more masculine America, like Andrew Tate would probably be run out of town on a rail, as it were.
00:14:11.000Because of his behavior or because of his common because of his behavior.
00:14:14.000Okay, no, and I don't even debate that.
00:14:18.000My inherent gut instinct is when you get kicked off every social media site and indicted by a government, I'm usually like, okay, you're probably a threat to the regime because Jeffrey Epstein was allowed to traffic children in this town, by the way, for 30 years, and he was allowed to be with the royal family and president of the United States and billionaires.
00:14:37.000And so people that are on their mole high horse on Andrew Tate, it's like, slow down, pal.
00:14:42.000Like, when are you going to indict Bill Clinton for trafficking kids?
00:14:48.000Like, no, he's the president and he's a kickboxer saying things that about men.
00:14:52.000Like, it's a selective enforcement of morality, Jack.
00:14:56.000The word, if you look up Jeffrey Epstein on Wikipedia right now, the word pedophile does not appear even once on that article for Epstein.
00:15:06.000On Epstein's article, the word pedophile does not appear.
00:15:09.000But if you pull up anybody who's on the right wing, like James O'Keefe is a far-right, et cetera, et cetera, propagandist, the only place the word pedophile actually appears on Jeffrey Epstein's page is down in one of the footnotes because one of the articles that they sourced used the word in their URL.
00:15:27.000That's the only place it appears on Wikipedia.
00:17:21.000Simona Bavar said you can either become a woman on the terms that patriarchy sets or we can figure out how to become a woman independent of those terms.
00:17:28.000And that required murdering the patriarchy.
00:17:31.000So this slow slitting of the throat of men that Andrew Tate's talking about is 100% legitimate.
00:17:35.000It's undermining Western civilization.
00:17:37.000It comes from feminism at its kind of very like mid-20th century forward heart.
00:17:42.000There's no doubt that that's going on.
00:17:44.000There's no doubt that the queer theory that erupted out of that is, like I just mentioned, a colonizing force colonizing Western nations from within, flying their flags on our government buildings, flying their flags on famous streets, flying their flags on everything.
00:18:01.000And that's something we should be taking very seriously.
00:18:03.000And so if you wanted to take over the West, instead of, I don't know, dropping a nuclear bomb or having like 5 million Chinese go to the border, an amphibious invasion of California, wouldn't it be easier to just have your fighting age males kill themselves, both literally and turn them into women and turn them into weak versions of their former self?
00:18:26.000We were talking earlier, and you said kind of the essential function of the man is to be able to say no.
00:18:31.000So you start saying that the essential function of the man is toxic masculinity, and all of a sudden they become completely nullified, nullified from the Latin nullum to make into nothing, or from the German Aufhaven, which is the word that they use for, Marxists use for transformation of society, sublation to a higher spiritual plane.
00:18:51.000This is exactly what you would do, is that you would undercut men through these memes like toxic, well we say the left can't meme.
00:19:04.000It's not a little funny card on the internet, but those things have been devastating, absolutely devastating to men and women and reality throughout the West.
00:19:14.000I mean, how many of you feel as if there's an all-out war on men in America and multi-dimensional?
00:19:20.000And the women, everyone raises their hands.
00:19:39.000He's going around looking the look, talking the talk.
00:19:43.000And look, I don't have anything to hide, and I'll just say it.
00:19:47.000Say, so every time Tate comes up, someone will come under their comments and be like, Hey, Jack, what's this picture of you and Tate together?
00:22:06.000It does seem quite possible that all of the 80s bullies were essentially holding back all the neuroses that are now going to destroy Western civilization.
00:22:32.000I think there's something to be said for the idea that there needs to be a certain amount of stress in life.
00:22:39.000And you could almost compare it to weightlifting.
00:22:42.000The way weightlifting makes you stronger is it actually stresses your muscles.
00:22:46.000It tears them up and they are rebuilt to be stronger.
00:22:49.000And it could be that social dynamics between young people, it's stressful, it's painful, and it kind of just teaches you to not be a and now just everyone's a until they grow up and they finally just yeah, I mean, life is really hard, and then here's what ends up happening: is if you have a massive anti-I'm not defending bullying, I think it's a reprehensible practice in person, but I can say this: I was made stronger by having to stand up to myself against some really cruel and awful people, and I wouldn't be the person I was today if it was just a soft,
00:23:19.000fragile environment where someone had to pick my fights for me.
00:23:22.000At the time, it was the worst thing ever, and then you stand up to the demon, you stand up to the person who thinks they're strong, and then you reach a level you never thought you could because you're a lot stronger than you think.
00:23:31.000Yeah, or another comparison could be like forest fires, whereas remember when Trump got in all that trouble during his term because he pointed out, like, actually, you need some fires, otherwise there's the big fire that burns everything back burns.
00:23:42.000So it could be that the proper response to bullying is like, it's bad, but either stand up for yourself or get over it.
00:23:50.000You have to think of what's the function of the bully, because what the bully is actually doing is, and as much as maybe we don't like the method, what they're doing is enforcing a standard.
00:24:00.000And so it is sort of a corollary of removing the bully is that we've also removed all standards at the same time from across the board.
00:24:08.000It's also fighting for status, like it's a status anxiety thing.
00:24:12.000And now you just get status by waging war through institutions.
00:24:16.000Here's the key, though, is we didn't get rid of bullies.
00:24:18.000We now made our bullies teachers, and we made bullies government agents.
00:24:24.000And instead of now having the proper checks and balances to go against bullies, which is strong people understanding you have to defend yourself in the wild, we have now elevated people that have resentment towards the rest of the world and they turn them into groomers.
00:24:37.000And so we've institutionalized the bullying against you, the innocent.
00:24:44.000So what we've done is that we've turned, we've changed who the bullies are and made them invincible, which is the worst possible recipe that you could have.
00:24:52.000When you talk about, I actually am a little in an odd place.
00:24:56.000I think I'm the most pro-bullying person on the panel, with the possible exception of Jack.
00:25:02.000I think, and it serves a very important function as a matter of fact.
00:26:09.000They'll take you to the GSA after school.
00:26:12.000Love bomb you, and next thing you know, you're on hormones.
00:26:14.000That actually makes me think of a thought crime, Charlie.
00:26:17.000What happens if you have fatherless households in various aspects of society that grow up without that masculine mentorship that never actually learn what positive masculinity is.
00:26:34.000Oh, well, we know the girls, they end up hooking up with a lot of dangerous, adventurous men and are never able to have a stable relationship, largely.
00:26:59.000And so then, but what happens to the young men without father figures is they, I mean, that's actually really, I haven't thought deeply about that.
00:27:31.000But at the same time, like, we might be throwing each other around the room, but because I've got two little boys, you know, you always kind of make sure that, hey, everyone's okay at the same time.
00:27:41.000We understand there's a certain line that won't be crossed.
00:27:44.000And so something that I think about that occurred to me just while throwing my kids around the room was that it's a great way to get stress out, by the way, especially when you're stressing your kids.
00:27:54.000Is that you're also teaching them that, yes, by being a man, you do have physical strength, you have emotional strength, but there's also limitations, and there's also rules and there's responsibilities inherent to that.
00:28:07.000So speaking of limitations, and I segue to our next topic.
00:28:38.000These people who think they know how to organize society for everybody else because they're off in their academic theory that they spun up used to get hit in the head.
00:28:47.000They used to get their lunch money taken from them.
00:31:48.000You guys have a right to do that because he's going to be in the state, and it's obviously not a priority to speak to 6,000 activists and 2,000 students that are making things happen.
00:32:17.000If you go look at the Florida Atlantic University poll, it says that right now, Ron DeSantis is down between down with Trump with under 45 voters by 50 points, a 50-point deficit with under 45 voters, which, as Florida Politics pointed out, is significant because Ron DeSantis himself is under 45.
00:32:43.000He's actually 44, so he's a member of his own cohort.
00:32:49.000And I didn't look at all the crosstabs, but I think that was the largest delta, the largest deficit of any group that he had across the board.
00:32:56.000His highest was actually with over 65s.
00:32:59.000Now, in Florida, that helps, but across the country, no, you certainly need more, need more of the youth vote.
00:33:05.000And then at the same, Charlie, to your point, and of course, to the people who are in this room right now, this select few, you understand the importance of youth activism.
00:33:15.000You understand that the people that are coming to a turning point event, this isn't just like a young conservative event.
00:33:20.000No, these are the most switched on, the most active, the most boots on the ground that are going to go back to, and I think, Charlie, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, but we're going to have all 50 states.
00:33:29.000But, you know, here's the other thing, Jack, is that yes, we are best known as a student organization.
00:33:33.000But as I grow and we grow, the organization grows, we're going to have 300 pastors here.
00:33:39.000You've been around our pastors, James.
00:34:01.000Plus the amount of people that they touch through their social media followings, through their congregations, through their chapters, et cetera, et cetera.
00:34:10.000And so if you're running for president, you've got to win those people over.
00:35:57.000I was on Twitter and I criticized something that the governor's wife, one of her initiatives that she put out about resilience.
00:36:04.000I think people should pay very close attention.
00:36:06.000I don't necessarily think that people have bad intentions here, but the word resilience is a very captured term.
00:36:11.000If you follow that World Economic Forum, you'll find that that's one of their like five major words they care about for the future of the world.
00:36:19.000It's literally a more sustainable, inclusive, and resilient world.
00:39:19.000And then all of a sudden, it's just like, I am the biggest beast there is, and you can't come through me.
00:39:24.000If DeSantis would have come here and did an open mic and every one of the objections, people would be like, oh, I think you're a globalist.
00:39:30.000He could have responded, however, he would have responded, which probably wouldn't have been pretty good.
00:39:34.000He would have gone up in people's respect.
00:41:19.000He's been a great governor who now is messing up an opportunity to actually improve our party.
00:41:23.000And I hope it, I genuinely hope it doesn't like permanently ruin either him or ruin like the relationship between him and Trump to the extent of souring by the million.
00:41:33.000It is very strongly, but we've seen this before.
00:41:36.000Because I think it's not just that he's been a good governor, but he does, to some extent, fill holes in Trump's game, which is he is very execution focused.
00:41:47.000And I think to the extent there's a flaw with Trump, that he isn't always execution.
00:41:54.000Imagine if Trump was the one who had to, you know, do his press conferences, take all of the flack from the press while his chief of staff or secretary or AG or whatever you want DeSantis to do does a million things that are ultra controversial every day in a second Trump administration.
00:42:10.000I think that could be incredibly powerful.
00:42:13.000James, you have thought any closing thoughts on this?
00:42:15.000The only thought, I mean, like I said, I hope you didn't ask me too much about DeSantis personally because I'm just like, why is he doing this?
00:43:50.000Is Mike Pence really going to take questions from Tucker Carlson?
00:43:53.000Mike Pence might get knocked out of the race tomorrow by Tucker Carlson.
00:43:58.000I mean, do we even have things even still running?
00:44:00.000Like, I mean, so, yeah, I mean, I hope Tucker lets them all have it and says, why on earth are you, Mike Pence, visiting Ukraine while we have 10,000 people invading our country on a daily basis?
00:45:12.000Are you sick of Target grooming our kids?
00:45:14.000Are you sick of these businesses going after us?
00:45:16.000Public Square is a way where you could find all the businesses near you when you travel or you go to college or your hometown or whatever that share your values.
00:45:24.000So if you want to go get your car fixed, if you want to go get a cup of coffee, it's called the Public Square app.
00:45:40.000So like right now, you guys might be thinking, oh, wait, where do you want to go to lunch tomorrow?
00:45:44.000Or, hey, you know, we're here for a couple of days.
00:45:46.000What if I told you that in West Palm Beach, there are dozens of conservative businesses that you can go in and you can say, you know what?
00:45:53.000I want to shop with people that share my values, not places that fly the pride flag or the BLM flag.
00:45:59.000You find out through the Public Square app, they are creating a conservative Yelp and they're growing like crazy.
00:46:05.000Jack, we love Public Square, don't we?
00:46:07.000I mean, Public Square is great, especially if you're someone who, like, I always say this, but like my wife, Tanya Tay, who, you know, she wants to contribute.
00:46:54.000Because all the diaper companies, I know this might not be the demographic yet that cares about this, but you will spend a lot of money on diapers, okay?
00:48:52.000So Jonah Hill sent a flurry of messages, plain and simple.
00:48:57.000If you need surfing with men, boundaryless, inappropriate friendships with men, if you need to model to post pictures of yourself in a bathing suit, to post sexual pictures, friendships with women who are in unstable places, and from your wild, recent past beyond getting a lunch or coffee or something respectful, I am not the right partner for you.
00:49:16.000If these things bring you to a place of happiness, I support it, and there'll be no hard feelings.
00:49:21.000These are my boundaries for romantic partnership.
00:49:23.000My boundaries with you based on the way these actions have hurt our trust.
00:49:27.000It's just constant and doesn't reflect where we're at or where you want to be.
00:49:32.000I respect how you want to present yourself.
00:49:34.000I respect that you're hot and beautiful.
00:49:36.000I respect however you want to live, but I also respect myself and what I'm interested in my own life and what I let into my heart and my inner circle.
00:49:42.000So celebrate yourself and life however you please and shine bright, but I don't want to have to deal with it.
00:50:03.000There have been like Twitter feminists and white knights coming out and saying that this is the most abusive, gaslighting, narcissistic action that a man has ever taken.
00:50:15.000The person who first wrote gaslighting as a modern essay to describe behavior is responsible for a lot because it is now the most overused term.
00:50:25.000Yeah, just because just because a man is talking does not mean he's gaslighting.
00:50:29.000And just because a man has an opinion, it doesn't make him a narcissist.
00:50:55.000And so now we have this giant civil war.
00:50:58.000And I will say, I think, I wouldn't say Jonah Hill is blameless in this because I think he probably did buy into this like therapy speak cult that this is not the way I would necessarily like always want to communicate with someone, but he is following a script that is set for him.
00:51:16.000And it is sort of proof that you can't win.
00:51:18.000Like, he's doing exactly what you're supposed to do, according to these people.
00:51:30.000He's talking to her and he's using this therapy speak to your point that is what the modern man who's in touch with his feelings is told to say: You need to respect my boundaries.
00:52:02.000I mean, it's like, it's like, why are you as a man trying to act like a woman and to get your wife or you're not even your wife, your girlfriend at this point to enter into this sort of traditional relationship roles?
00:52:18.000And that's something where it's funny because when this came up, I was talking to my wife about this.
00:52:22.000And my wife, coming from Eastern Europe, does not have like any of the woke programming mind virus crap that you get in the West.
00:52:30.000And I remember the one thing that she really clued in on was like, if you're in a relationship with somebody, why are you going and hanging out with people of the other sex?
00:52:39.000Like, that's just not something that's done in traditional cultures.
00:52:42.000Yet in the West, we constantly push that.
00:52:45.000Oh, no, those are just my guy friends.
00:52:54.000And I'm not saying we need to go like full Taliban and, you know, you're not allowed to leave the house if you're a single woman without a man that you're related to.
00:53:01.000Women should not have men friends if you're in a relationship, period.
00:53:18.000I read these Jonah texts and I actually have respect for him to tell his girlfriend to like stop acting slutty on like social media and be like, I don't want to be with you if you're going to be like that.
00:53:52.000You're boundaryless, inappropriate friendships with men, posting pictures of yourself in a bathing suit, totally inappropriate if in a relationship.
00:54:00.000Friendships with women who are in unstable places.
00:54:02.000A fun angle to this is that when he's the bathing suit thing, she works as a surf instructor, at least on the side, and they're like, he's destroying her career.
00:54:10.000This is an attack on, you know, the equality of their careers.
00:54:14.000Well, I looked it up and she has like 9,000 Instagram followers or something.
00:54:20.000It was a low amount considering she had been mega in the news for several years.
00:54:25.000And, you know, in comparison, like, he's a movie star, even if even if he is a star famous for playing like fat accountants, he's still a movie star.
00:54:35.000And it just felt very strange to be like, oh, he's derailing her career.
00:54:55.000It's like he's trying to be assertive, but he doesn't know how to have masculine assertiveness because he only thinks he's allowed to in this sort of feminized therapy group session kind of thing, which, by the way, if you go to a couple's therapy, then The therapist will simply just say, whatever the man says is wrong, whatever the woman says is right, whatever makes her happy is good.
00:55:20.000That's part of this, which is part of the justification for her blowing this up publicly is he has been very public about like his working relationship with his therapist.
00:55:31.000And they've essentially tried to cancel his therapist as well for like taking his side in some of these.
00:57:03.000What I see is this pattern that you guys just kind of like Megan Markled out on is, and in this case, is likely the case given why these texts are in front of us in the first place, is the unbelievable pathology that a man will twist himself into to get with an unhealthy woman.
00:57:21.000You will break yourself, and I've seen this happen so many times with so many men.
00:57:26.000You will find that there's a woman and she's a bit of a narcissist, and you will twist yourself in knots where everything she does is okay so that you can continue to be her narcissistic supply.
00:57:49.000He ends up having a kid, and she's like, nuclear bomb on your life, dude.
00:57:54.000James, are you referring to the high crazy matrix?
00:57:57.000Well, I mean, it's obviously relevant up there in the because if you're up there in that zone, how many of you guys know what we're talking about?
00:58:18.000This is your strippers, your hairdressers, your women named Tiffany.
00:58:22.000I heard one time that anytime, you know, some of the great things do well in your life, God will send you a woman who actually follows with an A.
00:58:28.000So it's a woman whose name ends with an A. Sorry, girls.
00:59:39.000So, and but you think that the incentive structure on social media is to get really, really good and hyper-engaged and to get things to go viral.
00:59:47.000Unless you're doing something super interesting in the real world that then translates into actual social media content people want to see, then the anti-social people engage the most in the platform that's supposed to be a reflection of socialization.
01:00:04.000And because you have to spend so much time and you actually burrow yourself in, and then it becomes a reflection of reality, it becomes a reflection of a pathology.
01:00:30.000We could get a full Jordan Peterson on this, though, because he very famously at one point said, you know, well, the difference between the internet is that male aggression doesn't upload, but female aggression uploads very well.
01:00:40.000But what actually really uploads really, really well is personality disorders.
01:00:46.000And that antisocial behavior gets you a lot of places in social media.
01:00:51.000So the technology factor, what social media brings to the table does, in fact, feed these broadly clustered beat personality disorders that are running rampant and causing dysfunction throughout our society and end with children cutting their genitals off.
01:01:04.000And to use a less nerdy term, too many parasocial relationships leads to becoming a pay pig.
01:02:00.000This would be the targets of the men who are then watching the camera girls, who then, if they really get hooked in, what Andrew Tate has, and he's talked about this publicly, that he would actually take over the girls' accounts and then start finding all the different ways to get the men to send more and more money.
01:03:34.000So the first thing is you must, I mean, I don't want to speak for everybody here, but a couple of things when it comes to business is when you have very little, take the biggest possible risk.
01:03:44.000So while you're small, you should, that's the time to take risk.
01:04:24.000So once the business starts to get to scale, 10 to 15, 20 to 25, 30 to 35, then all of a sudden, your job as a leader is less of doing the work, casting the vision, and then getting proper information and data and making sure that that vision is constantly being fulfilled.
01:04:39.000And it's just a non-stop thing of building a good team, finding loyal people, hiring the right people, firing the bad people, kind of repeating that.
01:04:46.000And then there will be an inflection point after 18 to 24 months where you're going to have to decide if you actually want to keep doing whatever you're doing.
01:04:52.000What kind of business are you in, by the way?
01:04:53.000We make handmade pretzels and also retail.
01:05:07.000And so you're in a very labor-intensive business and a low-margin, high-volume business that in some ways has been commoditized.
01:05:12.000So you need to find a way to try to find a differentiator, either in branding or recipe, quality, and all that stuff raises the price and the cost.
01:05:33.000By the way, I don't know if we mentioned earlier, but if you have a business, you can obviously list yourself on public square is my point.
01:05:38.000And I think it's worth emphasizing that I think in our heads, we think we've been propagandized to see a startup as like a 100% new idea.
01:05:47.000Like you're going to start a new tech product or a new website or a totally, you know, even like a totally unique recipe of pretzel or something.
01:05:56.000James Lindsey School Institute of Bullying.
01:05:58.000Yeah, there's a huge, there's a huge number of businesses that are just traditional businesses that you can do, that there's just not a lot of people who do, for example.
01:06:15.000And not just generic, but do like if you learn how to install something a lot of people want, but only one person knows how to do, you know, it's much easier to out-compete one person on being more available or having a slightly cheaper price or being better at it than them.
01:06:30.000And there's literally hundreds of businesses you can do that in.
01:06:33.000And it can be as basic as having a better storage company than the one that already exists in your town.
01:06:39.000And so basically you have to want it more than the next person.
01:06:43.000The thing that I realized after four or five years of doing this at Turning Point is that grit, hustle, and desire are not equally distributed amongst competitors.
01:06:51.000Like most people in politics really are super lazy.
01:06:53.000And I thought everyone wanted to be successful as much as I did and actually make an impact.
01:06:57.000And so as long as you want it more, you're going to be successful.
01:07:00.000And then if you have good ideas, and finally, ethics will be your defining characteristic.
01:07:18.000I want to pitch an idea to you guys of making the Airbnb for jobs where it'd be people would do an apprenticeship instead of all this college nonsense.
01:07:29.000They'll be able to come and learn hard skills out of business.
01:07:33.000That's the person who has the time, I don't have the time, to disrupt the college industry will become a billionaire.
01:07:39.000If somebody wants to become a billionaire, there is a $100 billion opportunity to create something that is in college that can get people equipped, trained for low cost.
01:09:29.000You're pointing at me like I'm a lawyer, and I just know a lot of lawyers.
01:09:33.000No, but what would immediately stand out to me is just any, you know, even if you're a political organization, if you're a club that is allowed to exist at your school, which you are, like, if they're, they have to treat you just like they would treat any other club.
01:09:48.000So obviously any other political club, but even most non-political clubs.
01:10:02.000But I think you would have a very strong argument to say, like, you actually have a legal obligation to treat us the same way as you would treat any other organization here.
01:10:11.000And if you're not willing to do that, like, well, you can threaten to sue them, I suppose.
01:10:15.000Yeah, and I mean, I would just try to demand for equal treatment, too, right?
01:10:19.000And just try to be a little bit, you know, of a respectful pest, as we put it, right?
01:10:24.000And, you know, you're going to get more with sugar than you are with spice.
01:10:48.000I am the president of Florida International University Turning Point USA chapter.
01:10:54.000And I started a Turning Point USA chapter as well in Miami-Dade College because I'm a transfer student to Florida International University.
01:11:02.000I've always aspired to get into politics and law, but lately, I'm a political science major.
01:11:08.000Lately, as I've been progressing in my college career, now I'm a senior.
01:11:14.000I have my aspirations have changed, and my aspiration to go to law school has dwindled.
01:11:20.000I feel that I have another calling, which is to do something entrepreneurial and higher education.
01:11:27.000And I would love to create another Hillsdale or another Liberty University.
01:11:32.000So, I was wondering if you had any advice of how to start a private institution like that, a conservative, God-fearing institution, and also what your thoughts are.
01:11:46.000Like, for example, I'm from Florida, DeSantis.
01:11:50.000They reformed a new college, and now they want to make it conservative.
01:11:55.000And so, some people, when they hear my idea of wanting to start like a conservative institution, they say, No, just focus on capturing the universities, which I think we need to do a little bit both.
01:12:07.000We need to do a little bit of both, or just one of them, or well, James, you're familiar with some of this stuff, the higher education reform stuff, right?
01:12:13.000I mean, yeah, it's a challenge, it's a real challenge.
01:12:16.000I think I actually agree with you that both need to be happening.
01:12:18.000You want to put pressure on the existing institutions and make them realize that they need to reform, but at the same time, if they have no competitors, they're not that likely to give a crap.
01:12:28.000And so, you've got to have kind of some of both.
01:12:30.000It's probably, I've never tried to start a university, but I'm assuming it's not easy.
01:12:46.000And I would love to talk to you, James Lindsay, and Charlie Kirk, about the ideas I have for higher education to see if you guys have any ideas to add.
01:15:44.000I mean, the global program that we're all being subjected to to kind of just give it a bland name, the coming tyranny has to control the food supply.
01:15:54.000And if we don't take very seriously controlling our own food supply and taking it to healthy places as opposed to unhealthy places, we're in really, really bad trouble.
01:16:04.000We already saw the huge farmer issue in the Netherlands, obviously.
01:16:09.000Now, that seems to be bearing a little bit of fruit in the right direction, sort of, now, but with root head to leave, or however you say that guy's name.
01:16:16.000Jack, do you know how to say that guy's name?
01:17:49.000Never forget, Charlie, that the civilization that gave us domesticated, cultivated corn also believed in ripping people's beating hearts out of their bodies to keep the sun rising.
01:19:10.000Something else that's not good is what you said: is letting Chinese and weirdo billionaires with nefarious plans buy all of our farmland.
01:19:19.000And an issue that actually fits kind of within the spirit of your question is that communities can come together and start demanding that their counties or whatever else say no to this, even if it would rescue the community financially.
01:19:31.000There are communities that have done this that have organized and fought back on this issue and said, no, we're not going to sell our farmland to Chinese, even if the money would help.
01:19:39.000And that's a very, very powerful issue that I could see fitting in with the spirit of your question.
01:19:44.000It's a good point of the spear to start working.
01:19:47.000A lot of Americans are very aware that selling our farmland in massive amounts to Chinese interests or CCP interests, I should be more clear, into selling it to Bill Gates is probably not that great.
01:19:58.000And those become community-level issues around which politics can be organized that can make a massive difference where it really matters.
01:20:05.000It turns out whether you like corn or not.
01:20:13.000I just want to start by saying thank you guys.
01:20:15.000It's a real honor that I get to ask you guys questions right now.
01:20:18.000But my name is George Cecil and I'm from the great state of Idaho.
01:20:21.000I was raised on a ranch and I was homeschooled.
01:20:24.000And my question for you guys today is actually about digital currency.
01:20:28.000So people in my area are really concerned that America is going to be going to like digital currency in the future and they're really worried about the implications of that.
01:20:39.000If it's going to be coming up soon and what we could do to helpfully prevent it or what's going to be happening with that?
01:20:44.000I mean, it's coming soon, that's for sure.
01:20:46.000I mean, they openly said, I forgot who it was, but when I say they, there was a person with a name and as some slightly scarier voices than me say, and an address, who did say this, that by September, which is a very odd month to have picked 2024, that the shift to a digital dollar should be something that's fully in motion.
01:21:07.000What I would say about what you're talking about with your colleagues and friends in Idaho is that they're on the right track.
01:21:15.000Digital currency is not currency unless there are some massive, massive, massive safeguards that we don't even have anything like the infrastructure to put into place to protect people.
01:21:26.000It is a set of digital coupons by which the most effective and powerful tyranny the world has ever seen can be put on people.
01:21:34.000It is the vehicle for a social credit system from which there is no escape.
01:21:37.000It's not just a social credit system that's an app that annoys you, tells you when you can buy a train ticket or when you can buy beef or when you can buy.
01:21:44.000It is what your money can be used for, if anything at all, based on who you happen to be, what you happen to have done.
01:21:51.000Did you come to a meeting like this, which is super not okay?
01:21:55.000Did you listen to thought crimes, which is not okay?
01:21:57.000I mean, we saw in the Canadian trucker revolt that they turned people's money off.
01:22:56.000How many times in the course of a regular week, think about this, do you actually use physical cash, right?
01:23:03.000You're using Apple Pay, you're using whatever on your phone, you're using Stripe, you're using Square, you're using even when you use your card.
01:23:10.000So I think about it, you know, talking about my kids again.
01:23:12.000The only time my kids actually see dollars is when we're at church and we're giving in the collection plate.
01:23:18.000I've even gone to the ATM just make sure I have cash before I go to church.
01:23:22.000And then even then, they've got the QR codes up in the pews now.
01:23:24.000So we need to be very careful about this.
01:23:28.000And you also need to be careful that once you do start accumulating some wealth, that you're not storing it completely in digital format.
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01:25:25.000The hesitation I have is our current government, when you execute somebody that then gets exonerated 10 or 20 years later, the wrongful execution of people, that makes me take a little pause.
01:25:38.000Number two, I'm generally on this theme of if you give government the ability to kill us, that they're going to like start droning us.
01:25:46.000I know that sounds really crazy, but like the erosion of due process and how government is abusing every power we give them is disproportionately used against conservatives.
01:25:56.000So the third thing, this really shouldn't matter as much because we spend money on stupid stuff.
01:26:00.000The death penalty is actually more expensive.
01:26:05.000But I have changed in the once I used to be like totally against it, a lot more like civil libertarian on it.
01:26:13.000But I've moved because in the sense of if we had a functioning government, which we don't, and a criminal justice system that was somewhat like clear and effective.
01:26:23.000Like, for example, if it's you're tried by a jury of your peers with like indisputable video evidence and you admit that you murder somebody, I think you should receive the death penalty, right?
01:26:31.000But there's like a really murky case right now in Oklahoma where a guy's on death row and Blake would even agree.
01:26:37.000Like it's the weirdest case where it's like, did he pay for the guy to be killed?
01:26:40.000And he hasn't admitted to it and it's been like a mistrial and it has to keep on getting delayed.
01:26:45.000So let's say we killed a guy and we find out like 10 years later, like that, that I think is one of the great evils a government can do is murdering an innocent man.
01:26:53.000And that happens a lot, by the way, a lot more hundreds of times over the last couple of decades.
01:26:58.000So morally, I could, if I believed in the Bible, there's no way I could possibly say I don't believe in the death penalty.
01:27:23.000Before the Pope, it was advocacy within the Catholic Church.
01:27:27.000Charlie, the Catholic Church has a lot of history involving the death penalty.
01:27:31.000And if you want to go full-on 2,000 years, I think the Catholic Church is pretty clear that it has exercised and been for the death penalty for many, many times in the past.
01:27:40.000This is a new teaching which has arisen in the very John Paul II was against it.
01:28:21.000So no pope has touched this prior to that.
01:28:23.000And you can go back to Pope Leo, you can go back to Pope Pius, where they were very forcefully for the death penalty based on the reasoning that it is the state meeting out your punishment for you essentially abrogating your own right to life.
01:28:39.000So the state does not take away your right to life.
01:28:41.000You, through dint of your own actions at depriving another of their right to enjoyment of life, have lost it, getting a little philosophical there.
01:28:48.000But yes, it is clearly something that has arisen in the later church, the modern church, which is something that you know that I've spoken out against.
01:29:22.000Like you can't pursue, you can't do it for vengeance-based reasons, but there is a valid justification for the state to do it, just as the state has justification for punishing other crimes.
01:29:35.000As Christians were told to turn the other cheek and love our enemies and all of that.
01:29:39.000But we've never equated that with like the government, for example, is not allowed to punish criminals.
01:29:43.000That like all of society must collectively.
01:29:48.000It's temporal justice versus eternal judgment.
01:29:51.000I think in many other contexts, we tolerate this, which is, you know, when we wage a war, as long as the war is just, like, we do accept that warfare kills innocent people.
01:30:01.000And even things like, you know, when the police try use, you know, sometimes police use their guns to stop a criminal in the act or someone who's acting dangerously.
01:30:13.000There are all sorts of things that we do that on the margins can hurt innocent people and sometimes even kill innocent people.
01:30:20.000And I think it's strange that we treat the death penalty as the exception to this, especially when there are plenty of cases where the risk of anyone innocent being caught in it are extremely low.
01:30:32.000Like Dylan Ruby, why can't you kill Dylan Ruby?
01:30:35.000I think the middle ground is: okay, you're a school shooter and you obviously did it.
01:32:47.000No, but we could do a whole show on this.
01:32:49.000But if a police officer pulled his car over and shot a six-year-old, then yeah, that police officer should get the death penalty, right?
01:32:54.000Like that's the way that a functioning system.
01:32:56.000Well, great, but then it comes down to the legitimate use of government force.
01:33:01.000No, the question is, what kind of force and in what context are you happy with it?
01:33:05.000If it's by a jury of your peers, methodically done, and it's basically irrefutable school shooter admission of guilt, then a threshold I think can be understandably reached where it's like, okay, kill the guy.
01:33:17.000I just want to know why the Boston bomber is still breathing.
01:33:34.000So my question, I had to write it down because I didn't want to forget.
01:33:38.000So given the polarization that we continue to see in this country, I'm curious if you have considered a discussion with someone who's reasonable on the left.
01:33:46.000There's a political commentator who's been on Lex Friedman and Tim Poole.
01:33:51.000And I was just wondering if you had ever thought about having a discussion, just not even really a debate, but a discussion with someone else.
01:33:58.000You've talked to him, haven't you, John?
01:34:07.000No, look, as much as people get on the right, get upset at Destiny, I've always said that I think it's great that Destiny is willing to sit down and have those discussions.
01:34:20.000We got into it over the intelligence community once a couple years ago.
01:34:24.000We got into it over the Hunter Biden laptop just a couple months ago, which where I totally schooled him.
01:34:30.000But no, I've always appreciated that he's been willing as a guy nominally on the left to just sit down because there's so many people who refuse to do anything like that anymore.
01:36:05.000And I just want to get your position on should teachers be allowed to discuss their point of politics and whether if they're liberal or conservative.
01:36:15.000James, you've done a lot of research on this.
01:36:17.000I mean, they very clearly discuss their politics.
01:36:20.000This is a position that is formally known as liberating tolerance, which is a big word salad phrase that means that their policies aren't considered politics and yours are, and politics aren't allowed under that weird definition.
01:36:34.000Kind of like their people are considered people and yours aren't under their weird definition.
01:36:46.000I think we actually kind of talked about this a little bit earlier, was that, you know, like Blake said, that everybody should be treated, ideally, everybody should be treated equally.
01:36:55.000What we see happening is obviously that this is not happening, that the teachers believe that they are just teaching respect and that you are representing hate.
01:37:05.000And so this is a very challenging space to be in.
01:37:08.000And you are, in fact, disenfranchised in your own great state of Iowa.
01:37:12.000By the way, Iowa is one of the few states that I got yelled at and jeered at when I visited.
01:37:17.000So I know you have some very liberal professionals in your state, and I sympathize with you for that.
01:37:23.000But what you actually, what you have to do is you have to understand that there is a bias here.
01:37:29.000And every time they exercise this bias on you, it becomes an opportunity to point out you are exercising bias against me.
01:37:37.000That's the thing you say that you're against.
01:37:39.000They don't care about the hypocrisy, but other people will.
01:37:42.000Other people will start to realize if you talk about it enough, that's obviously biased.
01:38:32.000He's very, very good at handling this and channeling when that happens into productive action that gets people's attention, whether it's locally or more broadly.
01:39:12.000Every one of you are poor day by day before you even get in the ball game because of a cartel of criminals that are running our currency system.
01:39:20.000It's an illegally chartered, I believe, unconstitutional project.
01:39:25.000So you have to take authority and responsibility for your own money.
01:39:30.000And that means, you know, I personally invest in stable things that actually appreciate in value and try to get rid of my dollar bills as quickly as possible into things that are actually hopefully going to last, like bullets and land and gold and silver and the proper cryptocurrencies.
01:39:46.000I'm not here to give you an investment advice.
01:43:26.000First, you have to dominate something small.
01:43:29.000So if you want to create something really big, you have to dominate either a locality, a genre, or a niche.
01:43:35.000Every successful company was able to be very successful first at something very specific, right?
01:43:42.000Whether it be Apple or Microsoft, Starbucks, Home Depot, the big thing you see is not what started.
01:43:50.000Like with Turning Point, we have TPSFA, Turning Point Academy, Turning Point Production, Turning Point Media, Professor Watchlist, School Board Watchlist, High School Chapters, College Chapters, Turning Point Action, Precinct Committee Project, Turning Point Pack, Charlie Kirk Show, Thought Crimes, started with one thing.
01:44:03.000I drove to college campus after college campus, begging kids not to become commies.
01:44:10.000And had no money, no connections, no idea what I was doing, but I had a ton of energy, but I was focused on one thing.
01:44:16.000And then I was like, okay, in order to do that one thing, then I need to get good at raising money and built a small team.
01:44:21.000But so if you have a big vision, you have to just think really, really small.
01:44:26.000And then once you have that small thing and you dominate, then you can start to scale, right?
01:44:31.000When people say they want to start a national business, I say, first, why don't you become the number one pretzel shop or coffee shop in your city?
01:44:40.000Like win your city first, and then you can open up a store across town and then across the state.
01:44:48.000Starbucks started as one coffee shop in downtown Seattle.
01:44:51.000Chipotle started as one restaurant in downtown Denver, right?
01:44:54.000McDonald started as one restaurant by Ray Kroc in suburban Chicago.
01:44:59.000And so people think you want to have that kind of big, you know, vision, that big thing, but you want to start there.
01:45:05.000Then you have to want it more than your competition.
01:45:07.000And then when your back's against the wall and you want to give up, you're going to have to want to continue because it will happen and expect to lose most of your friends, get sued, make no money for five to six years, sleep five hours a night for almost every single night, lose all of your savings for just a chance to maybe be moderately successful.
01:46:06.000Sadly, I don't really have a big question, but I would like you to maybe weigh in on what I have to say.
01:46:11.000So I'm going to go back to what you were talking about way earlier in the program about the administrative state and our institutions that are turning against us, like the FBI, CIA.
01:46:24.000And I go back to our founders, what they had to say about it in the Declaration of Independence.
01:46:28.000Grievance number 10 against the King, of course, was he erected a multitude of offices and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
01:46:36.000Is there anything that you guys would like to add to that?
01:46:52.000I think when we teach the Declaration, we, and look, you know, and I work for humanevents.com and right there went in the course of human events.
01:47:00.000But I think we teach the Declaration and we skip over the grievances.
01:47:05.000And I think we need to teach those as well.
01:47:08.000I'll just say all this equity crap came up in the administrative state apparatus.
01:47:12.000I mean, if you follow it, there was a book written by this weird guy with a weird name, Dwight Waldo, in 1948, or five maybe one or the other.
01:47:21.000And it's called The Administrative State.
01:47:22.000You can look it up and see what they thought about it.
01:47:25.000And it's called the Minnowbrook Conference.
01:47:27.000And in 1968, they held the Minnowbrook Conference, and a guy named George Frederickson was there, and they laid out the idea that it's not enough for public administration to be thinking about the two E's of efficiency and economy.
01:47:40.000They also need to think of the third E, which is equity, which is adjusting shares so citizens are made equal.
01:47:46.000So if you want to know why our society is lurching into communism, the administrative state has an awful lot to do with that.
01:47:52.000So I applaud you for bringing that up tonight.
01:48:10.000This was, well, it kind of has a background to it, but my school has a professor named Clint Jones, and he is an ethics professor.
01:48:19.000We're technically a Lutheran university, but we're very much not.
01:48:22.000And he's in the Department of Religion and Philosophy.
01:48:26.000And early January, he put on this presentation about love thy neighbor as thyself, masturbation, homoeroticism, and queer love in the life of Jesus Christ.
01:48:38.000I'm sorry, that was really like off the wall.
01:48:53.000But Charlie, earlier today, you were talking about how you don't believe in really like choosing your battles, which I really do respect.
01:49:01.000Do you think that with a professor like this who is so confident in his beliefs that he's willing to put a presentation on and force his students to go?
01:49:10.000My roommate had to go unless she would want a failing grade in her class.
01:50:13.000They want to groom, and they want to find people that can't intellectually defend their positions.
01:50:18.000You know, I spoke at Arizona State University with Dennis Prager, and 35 professors signed an open letter saying that I should not be allowed on campus.
01:50:35.000Well, I mean, there's the easy answer is because they don't believe, they know that their ideas don't have justification, so they have to assert them.
01:50:43.000And if they're challenged, it threatens them, blah, blah, blah.
01:50:45.000But within their own kind of line of thought, the reason is that to debate somebody is to platform the other alternative and thus to give it voice and thus to become complicit in the evil.
01:50:54.000But that's much less interesting to me than I think what you should do.
01:50:58.000These things actually tend to work out, but you have to have a little bit of courage.
01:51:03.000These are the kinds of stories that, if they are properly packaged and put out into the world, go viral big time.
01:51:08.000These are the kinds of stories that end up landing in an appellate court and getting a school in an awful lot of trouble because First Amendment rights protect people from being subjected to having to write what they would consider blasphemy.
01:51:21.000This has happened at least as when it's a condition of employment, I know with professors, for example, the case of Merriweather versus Shawnee State.
01:51:28.000But it's entirely possible that it could follow for a student who had to do this for a grade.
01:51:35.000So I would encourage people, and I know you're young, and I know this isn't exactly something you want to hear, and it does take a lot of courage.
01:51:41.000But in cases like this, you have to be kind of willing not to go necessarily fool James O'Keefe, but to expose these things to get that citizen journalism out, and or, and I say that very much with the slash there, because it might be both and it might not.
01:51:55.000You may have to be more prudent in how you approach it.
01:51:58.000You may have to start thinking, this is the bravery part, by the way.
01:52:01.000It's not hard to convince a 20-something-year-old to try to go viral on the internet.
01:52:04.000It is hard to convince them to think of themselves as a potential plaintiff in a lawsuit and to seek out a law firm like Alliance Defending Freedom or whatever and try to see if you have a legal case or if your friend has a legal case for what they were put through being forced to do this for a grade and to be willing to do this.
01:52:21.000If people aren't injured, there's no lawsuit, but the way that we're ultimately going to beat woke and preserve our society is by suing while the law is still something that can be on our side.
01:52:32.000So I strongly encourage you to think: if you think you're being discriminated against, you may have to think that you have a lawsuit potential and reach out to some of these firms that are, they often show up with these conservative things so you can kind of figure out who they are and see if they will take a case.
01:52:48.000If you're a student, probably pro bono, reach out to FHIR, the Foundation for Individual Rights and Education, see what they do.
01:52:54.000They will send letters and the schools will back off and sometimes do damages or try to settle out of court or all kinds of things.
01:53:00.000But if you don't slap them, the left consistently will break the law until you tell them they can't anymore.
01:53:08.000And they will get away with it and get away with it and get away with it and just keep marching forward.
01:53:11.000So somebody who's being discriminated against, and it might be you, and it's a big thing to ask.
01:53:36.000But at the same time, it is lower than the consequences to standing up to something will often be in real life.
01:53:42.000Like this person is threatening people with a failing grade, one of many classes they can possibly take at this school.
01:53:50.000Whereas, you know, you'll face people who will boss you around and try to do bad stuff where you have to face losing your job and you might have a spouse, you might have children, like you have a lot to lose.
01:54:01.000And it probably is better to at least get the training in standing up to things while it is lower stakes.
01:54:08.000And that is what college actually is, even though it feels very high stakes a lot of the time.
01:54:15.000When Charlie was speaking earlier, I thought there are basically two paths, and you have to judge your temperament.
01:54:20.000Either you consistently stand up, like he all urged you to do very, very well, very well, as a matter of fact, and you do it that way, or you realize we're going to need investigative journalists that are digging in and understanding this thing.
01:54:33.000We're going to need lawyers who understand the left's misuses of the law and abuses of the law so they can make sure that constitutional law protects us from those.
01:54:41.000And so you go in as kind of an upside-down investigator.
01:54:45.000If you participate, though, in order to not get brainwashed, you have to be studying the brainwashing that they're doing and using it for some other purpose to expose them or defeat them later.