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THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 50 — Draft Our Daughters? Bringing Back Boomers? What's Your Phobia?


Summary

In this episode, Jack Posobiec joins us to talk about his new book, "The Right Wing Revolution: How to Build a Movement on the Ground Zero of American Communism." Jack talks about how he became a communist revolutionary and how he built one of the most powerful youth organizations in the country, Turning Point USA. He also talks about his time in the streets of Detroit fighting for communist protesters, and the events that led to the creation of the Black Panther Party in the late 1980s and early 1990s, and explains how he and his organization helped create a new kind of political movement, the "Right Wing Revolution." Jack's book is available for pre-order now! Books discussed: "The Truth About Communism: How To Build A Movement On The Ground Zero: The Story of a Communist Revolution" by Jack Posobyc "The Secret History of Communist Revolutionists in America: A History of a New Political Movement" by Charlie Kirk "The Devil Next Door" by Blake Neff "The Man Who Couldn't Stop a Revolution" and more. Books mentioned: "Unhumans: The Secret History Of Communist Revolutions: The Making Of A Communist Revolution." by Jack P. Posobycec "How To Build a New American Revolution" and "How to Build A Socialist Revolution: The Most Powerful Party in America's Most Decade Ever"? "The New Communist Party in American History"? by Jack's New York Times Bestselling Author Jack PosOBiec "Jack's New Book." "Universities: The New Communist Revolution?" by Jack and Andrew Charley "Uncivilized Revolution" is available in paperback and is available on Amazon Prime and Kindle, and also on Audible, wherever else? Learn how you can get your copy of the book "The Best of the New Communist Manifestation." Learn more about Jack's new novel "The Real Communist Revolution"? and much more! Join us on The Charlie Kirk Show: The Truth About It All by Jack, Charlie Kirk's Book Launch Week! and other links to the book. . Subscribe to the Charlie Kirk Podcast! by clicking here. and find out more information about the book and more by searching for the book, including the book on the show on the podcast, "Unhuman Revolution? and how to get a signed copy of The Truth about Communist Revolution. on Amazon, the movie "The Good, The Bad, the Bad, The Good, the Good, and The Bad and the Weird, the Weirdest, the Evil, the Great, the Beautiful, the Ugly, the Real, the New and the Good and the Beautiful and the Amazing, the Most Powerful, the Modern, the Worst, the Best, the Right Wing, the True, the Greatest, the American Dream, the Everything else, and so Much More!


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, it's Andrew Charley, Kirk Show ThoughtCrime with Blake, Tyler, and Jack.
00:00:05.000 We talk about what are you afraid of?
00:00:06.000 We go through low prop versus high prop voters, rat face boys, and more.
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00:00:40.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:42.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:00:43.000 His spirit, his love of this country.
00:00:45.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
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00:01:29.000 Okay, everybody.
00:01:30.000 Hello, it is Book Launch Week.
00:01:32.000 Oh, wait, no.
00:01:32.000 It's Thought Crime.
00:01:33.000 But it's still Book Launch Week.
00:01:35.000 And, uh, Right Wing Revolution.
00:01:37.000 Blake, you helped with the book.
00:01:38.000 Thank you.
00:01:39.000 Great inspiration and researcher and tactician of the book.
00:01:43.000 And you're in the Acknowledgements.
00:01:44.000 Yes, I am.
00:01:45.000 It's nice.
00:01:45.000 How you doing, Blake?
00:01:46.000 I'm doing sweet.
00:01:47.000 How is Book Launch Week for you?
00:01:48.000 You been working really hard?
00:01:49.000 Oh, it's great.
00:01:49.000 Like, we're having to, like, go through, like, it's kind of funny because a lot of the text of the book was completed a little while ago, and now we're like, oh, oh, we can't.
00:01:57.000 Let's actually go back, dig out stuff from it.
00:01:59.000 And it's like, oh, wow, this is applicable.
00:02:00.000 This is applicable.
00:02:02.000 I mean, like, I think we're drawing a lot out of the chapter that's basically like, you know, you can hate the rules, but play by the rules in terms of ballot harvesting.
00:02:09.000 And, you know, we made that ages ago.
00:02:12.000 And it almost like it just happens that not only like it, you know, it came out the week.
00:02:16.000 That's the big point of emphasis due to Detroit and everything.
00:02:19.000 Chase the vote.
00:02:20.000 It really worked out.
00:02:21.000 Tyler, you've been training ballot chasers all week in Wisconsin.
00:02:24.000 Yeah.
00:02:25.000 I am here to get a signed copy of your book from Blake.
00:02:29.000 From Blake?
00:02:29.000 Yeah.
00:02:30.000 I want a nice signed Charlie Kirk, Blake.
00:02:34.000 You get to Blake Neff.
00:02:34.000 Do you want to sign it as Blake Neff or as Charlie Kirk?
00:02:38.000 Either one.
00:02:38.000 Okay.
00:02:39.000 All right.
00:02:40.000 As Blake Neff, of course.
00:02:41.000 Oh, okay.
00:02:41.000 All right.
00:02:42.000 All right.
00:02:43.000 We had to protect Blake from all of the protesters in Michigan.
00:02:49.000 I thought he had some fans.
00:02:50.000 Both sides.
00:02:51.000 Both sides were attacking.
00:02:53.000 That's possible.
00:02:55.000 Blake was getting attacked by both sides of the protesters.
00:02:58.000 Thank you.
00:02:59.000 Thank you for this.
00:03:00.000 And then we have the legendary Jack Posobiec, who also has a book coming out, but it's still at preorder, so we're not going to promote it heavily yet.
00:03:07.000 But, Jack, we had a great podcast in Detroit.
00:03:10.000 We had a great podcast.
00:03:11.000 We had an excellent podcast in Detroit on Unhumans, the secret history about communist revolutions and how to crush them and Fun fact, my book also includes Blake Neff in the acknowledgements because Blake did a lot of work helping with the research for the podcasts that we later turned into the book.
00:03:33.000 And so, you know, what I noticed actually, though, Tyler, when I got up close, is that what we thought or initially one of the crowds that we thought was protesting Blake was actually hordes of young men who were chasing him down the street, screaming his name and asking for his hotel room.
00:03:48.000 It was really strange.
00:03:49.000 I don't really know.
00:03:50.000 I don't really know how that one turned out.
00:03:52.000 I think we can all agree.
00:03:53.000 I should just be acknowledged in every book.
00:03:55.000 Yeah, every book.
00:03:56.000 Yes, that's right.
00:03:56.000 Including Fauci's memoir.
00:03:57.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:03:59.000 I would like to... Which is out this week, by the way.
00:04:01.000 Fauci's memoir is out.
00:04:02.000 You should say special thanks to Blake Neff for making the vaccine and the lockdowns possible.
00:04:09.000 Blake actually was behind the vaccine.
00:04:11.000 Just so everybody knows.
00:04:12.000 That's right.
00:04:12.000 Blake was the chief scientist at Pfizer.
00:04:15.000 He was also the guinea pig for all the vaccines.
00:04:17.000 They tested every single one of them on Blake, which explains a lot.
00:04:20.000 And they tested the original virus on me, and I designed the original virus before injecting it into myself.
00:04:26.000 He is the most interesting man in the world.
00:04:27.000 He is the superhuman.
00:04:28.000 That's also why Blake can speak to bats.
00:04:32.000 He also has the power of echolocation.
00:04:34.000 So, Blake, you were saying, I want to talk about low prop, high prop.
00:04:37.000 What were we talking about here?
00:04:37.000 Something with your friend?
00:04:38.000 You have a prophet?
00:04:39.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:04:39.000 So just before the show went live, we were talking about the big topic this week and what we've been talking about lately.
00:04:45.000 Low propensity voters.
00:04:46.000 Trump is doing better with Voters who normally don't turn out as much, which is a big change from the past.
00:04:54.000 15 years ago, it was all that Democrats had the advantage with every low-propensity group.
00:04:58.000 The young, immigrants, people who don't speak English, non-white voters, all of that.
00:05:03.000 And there's been this big shift.
00:05:05.000 The polls now say, you know, if you voted in every primary and every general election for the last five years, you are going to be favoring Biden by a good five, six points, according to some polls.
00:05:17.000 But if you've only voted sometimes, you're about 50-50, and if you're an unlikely voter, like if you skipped the 2020 election, those people tell the polls they favor Trump by like 15 points at this point.
00:05:31.000 So I have a friend who, I don't want to name him, but he's always been my kind of...
00:05:36.000 Yes detector sage predictor.
00:05:39.000 He's really good on China stuff.
00:05:40.000 He always tells me stuff about China That sounds insane and it goes against what everything else and it's true says and then I find out like three years later Oh, he was completely right about this And then he's also good at election stuff.
00:05:51.000 I remember him.
00:05:52.000 It's like summer 2015 Trump's just entered the race, we're getting the first polls about it, and we're getting those polls which say, do you remember early when Trump was running?
00:06:04.000 And they'll say like, oh, this new poll shows Trump is only up by three points in Mississippi, he'd be a disastrous one.
00:06:09.000 And he would share this with me and he'd say, the thing is, Blake, is I believe this poll and it's actually good news.
00:06:15.000 Because the national polls say Trump's only going to lose to Hillary by, like, three points.
00:06:21.000 And so if he's this close in Mississippi but still only losing by three points nationally, that means that he's going to do way better in the decisive swing states.
00:06:32.000 So he charted out the exact map that would lead... So what does he say now?
00:06:35.000 So what he says is, basically, he thinks that people are underappreciating the chance that there's actually still a polling error, like, in Trump's favor.
00:06:45.000 I think this could be right. Yeah. And also he's putting a lot of importance on next week's debate.
00:06:49.000 He says if Biden does well, it becomes about a 50 50 election. But if Biden does badly,
00:06:56.000 like he could be on chart for a Jimmy Carter 1980 level. So, yeah. So here's my and Tyler,
00:07:02.000 I want to get on this early because this is my I have two concerns is that if we are we are
00:07:08.000 trading right now, horse trading and it's not a permanent trade because we can get them back.
00:07:12.000 We're trading high prop voters for low prop voters.
00:07:15.000 Now, this is why polling could be underestimating Trump's support, is that, for example, I walk the streets of Scottsdale, I've personally registered dozens of voters in Scottsdale, I'm like always messaging you guys.
00:07:26.000 Yes.
00:07:26.000 And no one is polling these guys.
00:07:28.000 And I could tell you the Democrats are not in the data or anecdotally, they're not getting those uptick grassrootsy new registrations, right, Tyler?
00:07:36.000 We're seeing that not in the data at all in Arizona.
00:07:38.000 So Trump gets at least a point lift from those types of folks.
00:07:42.000 Tyler, should we be concerned, though, that baby boomers and older voters are going more in Biden's direction, younger voters, blacks, Hispanics in our direction, and we're trading higher props for lower props?
00:07:52.000 Yeah, I think that's the biggest concern is that we look at how things are looking for us.
00:07:58.000 And we are in a really good place because the Democrats maximized their uptick, as you're as you're referencing it.
00:08:06.000 Yes.
00:08:06.000 In 2020.
00:08:06.000 The Florida Palooza.
00:08:08.000 Because in Arizona, in one summer, they had like a net 75,000 voter increase.
00:08:14.000 Like they closed the voter registration gap by 75,000 voters, right?
00:08:18.000 Significantly.
00:08:19.000 Arizona was up, and always historically has been up, at least since like the 80s.
00:08:23.000 Well, no, we still had an advantage, but we went down to like only 100,000 vote advantage.
00:08:26.000 It is the closest that we've ever been.
00:08:28.000 And now it's 240.
00:08:29.000 And they invested a ton of money into voter registration to get as many people as possible
00:08:34.000 again.
00:08:35.000 The uptick is over.
00:08:36.000 We haven't seen an increase.
00:08:38.000 There hasn't been investment made.
00:08:39.000 And they've lost ground.
00:08:40.000 And if you're not seeing investment in voter registration, what does that mean?
00:08:43.000 That means they don't want as many voters to turn out.
00:08:45.000 Well, it means that there's not going to be as much investment made into ballot chasing on their end.
00:08:50.000 However, yeah, but Trump forgives some of the sins on our side because we don't have an apparatus.
00:08:56.000 Because a little bit of a machine can forgive because he's so loved and there's such an organic push that if we have a little bit of ballot chase, we can force multiply that.
00:09:08.000 I think the only angle is exactly what you said for the left, which is try to pick off as many older old voters who vote in huge numbers, who vote historically in huge numbers.
00:09:19.000 And, you know, there's some drop off on olders because we, you know, baby boomers are starting to pass away.
00:09:26.000 And so you have this this era now.
00:09:29.000 You have very few silent generation.
00:09:31.000 Generations gone.
00:09:32.000 We have a silent generation president.
00:09:34.000 But you have a very few outside of him that are active.
00:09:39.000 And so they have to chase every single member of the silent generation they've got.
00:09:42.000 Our side is going to have some dip off with silent generation because what happens naturally when you get old.
00:09:48.000 You forget to vote.
00:09:49.000 You don't show up.
00:09:50.000 Or somebody freaking steals your ballot in a nursing home.
00:09:54.000 Someone else takes your ballot for you and votes on your behalf.
00:09:56.000 Your spouse passes away that helped you vote.
00:10:01.000 Your kids no longer are prioritizing you voting.
00:10:04.000 So this is the one thing that we're telling people that have family that are older baby boomers and silent generation parents.
00:10:11.000 Make sure you're helping your parents vote.
00:10:13.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:10:14.000 Make sure you're doing that.
00:10:15.000 And do so legally.
00:10:16.000 And don't let the nurses help them vote.
00:10:17.000 That's exactly right.
00:10:19.000 You can be an assist.
00:10:21.000 As a family member, you're allowed to help fill in their ballot for them, right?
00:10:24.000 In almost every state, you can legally assist your family member as long as you're the caretaker and the person that's in charge of that.
00:10:32.000 So I just want to get jacking on this in a second.
00:10:34.000 But just so we're clear, though, and Blake, you made this point, there's two simultaneous strategies to bring bases home right now.
00:10:42.000 Biden is going to Philadelphia to bring blacks home to the Democrat Party.
00:10:46.000 And Trump is going to start going to bingo nights and pink pickleball courts to bring home boomers to the Republican Party.
00:10:53.000 Which is more likely to happen?
00:10:56.000 Ooh, that's a hard one.
00:10:58.000 That's a hard one.
00:11:02.000 I think boomers, when all is said and done, here's my theory.
00:11:05.000 Once we have convention, and we are ubiquitous blanket TV coverage, once we are on parity with TV ads, which will happen based on Miriam Adelson and these other super PACs, and once we are able to like cancel out their white noise, because the Biden ads are all over all the old people channels right now.
00:11:20.000 Lifetime, CNN, HLN, it's full blanket coverage.
00:11:25.000 You say TV doesn't matter.
00:11:26.000 I disagree.
00:11:26.000 I think it matters a lot when you are not present.
00:11:29.000 I'll say this shortly and then we'll have Jack come in.
00:11:32.000 The thought I had is I'll bet old boomer voters are the ones who probably do feel a bit scandalized that Trump got convicted.
00:11:40.000 100%.
00:11:40.000 That's so bad for our democracy.
00:11:43.000 But they'll get over it.
00:11:44.000 That will wane.
00:11:44.000 Yes.
00:11:45.000 And so I'm saying boomers are probably right now.
00:11:48.000 I think they're out of what's easy.
00:11:50.000 I think blacks actually might go back to Democrats in higher numbers than we might realize.
00:11:54.000 I think, however, blacks don't vote in the same numbers as boomers.
00:11:58.000 And it's just they have lower turnout.
00:12:00.000 And so I would rather be us than them.
00:12:01.000 Let me be very clear.
00:12:02.000 I would rather have to bring boomers home than have to go bring disaffected black voters home.
00:12:08.000 Right?
00:12:09.000 Because, I mean, boomers are more conservative.
00:12:11.000 It should be easier for the Trump campaign to bring boomers home.
00:12:15.000 That's the last missing piece.
00:12:16.000 I'm just saying right now, in June of 2024, if we win boomers by 15 points, which every Republican has done.
00:12:23.000 Mitt Romney won boomers by, like, 25 points.
00:12:26.000 Just to be clear.
00:12:27.000 Like, he crushed with boomers and lost everybody else.
00:12:30.000 We should win.
00:12:31.000 Jack, what are your thoughts here?
00:12:32.000 Again, I'm not here to criticize boomers and all of this.
00:12:33.000 I'm just saying this is a missing piece, and it is a fear.
00:12:37.000 Biden could overperform the polls if we are trading too many high props for low props.
00:12:44.000 Yeah, Charlie.
00:12:45.000 So when people are saying, you know, character matters, decency matters, these things matter, that's specifically the demographic that Biden is talking to.
00:12:56.000 He's speaking to those older voters, Who remember an America in the before time, who remember America, they came of age in the 1950s, they came of age in the 1960s.
00:13:07.000 They remember the America and by and large believe that this still is that country that can be all things to all people at all times.
00:13:14.000 Like when, when Joe Biden said, when they asked him, I remember they asked him one time about, you know, can America afford to fight wars in Ukraine and China?
00:13:23.000 So, you know, Europe and Asia at the same time.
00:13:25.000 And he says, This United States of America, we could do anything.
00:13:29.000 He actually believes that.
00:13:30.000 He actually believes that we just have this overabundance of all things because that's the America he, by the way, he's actually older than Baby Boomer, as you were saying, but that's still his set frame for America.
00:13:43.000 And so for a lot of these, like your normie, liberal, TV only watching Baby Boomer types out there, they're totally locked into that frame.
00:13:54.000 Now there are ways, by the way, to reach back out to them.
00:13:57.000 And of course, most of them involve showing that America's standing in the world
00:14:01.000 has been completely degraded under Joe Biden.
00:14:04.000 And also, by the way, the saying that social security is gonna be insolvent under Joe Biden.
00:14:07.000 There's a number of ways you can do these things to say that Biden is ruining our image of America.
00:14:11.000 And by the way, directly comparing, and Trump needs to do this in the debate.
00:14:15.000 So I know that we're not talking debates, but one way to accomplish this at the debates
00:14:20.000 is for Trump to directly compare him to Jimmy Carter.
00:14:24.000 If he's able to do that and do so successfully, maybe throw out some facts and figures
00:14:28.000 about the stagflation being where it is, then you can start to make that argument.
00:14:32.000 But you mentioned Biden going to Philly, but I would also point out that Donald Trump
00:14:38.000 is making his own visit to Philadelphia this Saturday night, 1776 North Broad Street
00:14:45.000 at the Lea Corps Center of Temple University.
00:14:48.000 And I can tell you, Charlie, this guy, the former Temple College Republican Chairman
00:14:54.000 from 20 years ago.
00:14:55.000 I love that.
00:14:57.000 However, and I love the offense going into the urban areas and all that.
00:15:01.000 But Blake, shouldn't Donald Trump maybe stop by a nursing home on his way there?
00:15:04.000 I'm not kidding.
00:15:05.000 No, no.
00:15:05.000 I mean, he should probably stop by a senior citizen center.
00:15:08.000 I mean, there's plenty of them.
00:15:10.000 I mean, he's got to do some boomer outreach here.
00:15:12.000 Or just in general, don't ignore the fact, like, there is that heartland that loves Trump.
00:15:17.000 Make sure you do hit those areas.
00:15:19.000 Well, he's going to do that.
00:15:20.000 He's going to go to the rules.
00:15:21.000 He had an insane schedule in 2016.
00:15:22.000 I'd love to see that.
00:15:26.000 So rural is all chasing, just FYI.
00:15:28.000 So we look at, there's some places in Wisconsin, for example, where the Republican turnout is so low in the rurals, you should lose your status as a state within the union.
00:15:41.000 How bad is it?
00:15:42.000 of turnout. It's just so bad. How bad is it?
00:15:44.000 Like places where they murder and bury people and like dumps.
00:15:50.000 What was that whole to catch a murderer or whatever thing that was? The guy that got
00:15:55.000 thrown in jail in Wisconsin.
00:15:57.000 Making a murderer? Making a murderer. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:15:59.000 That guy. I didn't watch that show.
00:16:01.000 Are you kidding me?
00:16:02.000 Of registered voters or of citizens?
00:16:04.000 That's really bad.
00:16:04.000 their turnout is like sub 60 percent, 50 percent in the presidential.
00:16:09.000 It's of registered voters or of citizens registered voters.
00:16:13.000 That's really bad.
00:16:14.000 Of citizens. It's like in like probably like less than 20%.
00:16:17.000 So, so if you just chase people in the rurals, you'll win.
00:16:22.000 So this is where ballot chasing comes in.
00:16:24.000 This is where the culture chasing comes in for the Republican Party.
00:16:27.000 It has to happen.
00:16:28.000 But to your point, Charlie, is the seniors matter so much because there's tons of senior communities that are in the suburbs.
00:16:36.000 So when you have this crossover between you already don't do as well with women, right?
00:16:41.000 We know that it's whatever it's overplayed.
00:16:44.000 Men, we overperform and we're overperforming now in the suburbs, and that's great.
00:16:49.000 But when you have this situation where there's old suburbanites that are there in the senior homes, those are the places.
00:16:55.000 So let's look at Arizona, for example, and Mesa.
00:16:58.000 Why is Mesa doing so bad?
00:17:00.000 It's not just the moms.
00:17:01.000 It's not just the moms.
00:17:03.000 Mesa is a historic, in Apache Junction, historic retirement community.
00:17:07.000 You have Red Mountain, that whole area, Las Cindas, that's out there.
00:17:12.000 You have places like Apache Junction where you have snowbirds that come in.
00:17:15.000 They're registered to Arizona now.
00:17:17.000 They golf.
00:17:18.000 They live in their homes and they fly back, you know, for the summertime to the Midwest.
00:17:22.000 They come back here or Canada or wherever, wherever they come from, they've got dual citizenship.
00:17:27.000 This is a real problem for Donald Trump for the reasons that you said.
00:17:33.000 We have to win back the suburban boomer.
00:17:36.000 Well, yeah, I think it's doable, though.
00:17:38.000 When I think of the disaffected boomer, not disaffected, or the one that's tilting to Biden, I think of the work that we did in Florida.
00:17:46.000 Now, hear me out.
00:17:48.000 There was a time.
00:17:49.000 Let's just go back.
00:17:50.000 This is why boomers are movable, guys.
00:17:52.000 In June of 2020, Trump was doing really bad with boomers.
00:17:56.000 Think about it.
00:17:57.000 That was during covid.
00:17:58.000 That was during all the hysteria that you're going to die from the virus.
00:18:01.000 And Trump put in the work for a couple months at a crazy schedule and did much better with boomers.
00:18:06.000 So I think it is very movable.
00:18:09.000 I just I don't want us to get too high on our own supply here.
00:18:12.000 Because we could all of a sudden be going into election day.
00:18:15.000 Well, we'll know during voting month because we're going to be doing our job during voting month.
00:18:18.000 Right.
00:18:18.000 So that's the difference.
00:18:20.000 We could be going into voting month, though, and be like, oh, we're crushing it with younger voters.
00:18:23.000 We're crushing with Hispanics.
00:18:25.000 And all of a sudden, like that day of vote of people that vote on election day.
00:18:28.000 Tyler, what would happen if we only won 60 percent of day of votes in Arizona?
00:18:33.000 Yeah, I mean, we've got to win a lot more than that.
00:18:35.000 We've got... I'm saying that what if the boomers who vote on Election Day, like, underperform for us?
00:18:40.000 That's right.
00:18:41.000 We've got to win a lot more than that.
00:18:42.000 I mean, we right now are... What if we do every piece?
00:18:45.000 We chase Hispanics.
00:18:46.000 We chase blacks.
00:18:47.000 We chase younger voters.
00:18:48.000 Like, we overperform at ASU.
00:18:50.000 We overperform at NAU.
00:18:51.000 And the day of... And then it, like, rains, and the guy's just like, ah, they don't need me, and he just stays home.
00:18:56.000 Or even worse, just, like, all of a sudden in the West Valley, a bunch of, like, 85-year-olds that vote on Election Day are like, I'm going for Biden.
00:19:02.000 And like we used to run up the score in those areas.
00:19:04.000 Or RFK.
00:19:06.000 Biden's getting it done.
00:19:06.000 I believe we need Project Boomer.
00:19:10.000 We need to run more TV ads.
00:19:12.000 I'm telling you, we have to get more TV ads.
00:19:14.000 Well, this is why organizations like we had so present at in Detroit, like AMAC, are so important.
00:19:19.000 Are like the most important thing.
00:19:20.000 You know what's crazy?
00:19:22.000 The press hasn't given us any credit.
00:19:23.000 Like the youth vote is up for grabs.
00:19:26.000 And the boomer vote is now, like, a catastrophe.
00:19:28.000 Not a catastrophe, but it's, like, not where it should be.
00:19:31.000 It's the scariest element.
00:19:33.000 Maybe it's the organization that's been focused on it, like, obsessed for 12 years.
00:19:37.000 Now, my prophet friend does say, don't look too close at the crosstabs.
00:19:42.000 He says, especially on a lot of these subgroups, they end up being so tiny.
00:19:46.000 Like, it's very difficult to get, like, black men to respond to a lot of these polls.
00:19:50.000 So you have a crosstab of, like, 20 guys in some of these subgroups.
00:19:53.000 Fine, but boomers are not tiny.
00:19:55.000 For sure, for sure, but maybe there's an issue where the boomers who are especially likely to respond to phone polls have shifted?
00:20:01.000 I mean, that's the theory they have every single time these polls are debated.
00:20:05.000 They'll be like, Republicans never respond to polls, ever.
00:20:08.000 Last thing I'll say is this, is that Biden, the ads that Biden is running, are small-c conservative ads.
00:20:15.000 He comes across, if you didn't know the party affiliation, you'd be like, oh, this guy's a conservative.
00:20:19.000 Oh yeah, because he's like, Trump is going to burn the system down.
00:20:22.000 And he's like, I'm all about the integrity of the institutions.
00:20:24.000 And I, like, he's a small C conservative.
00:20:27.000 His ads are like indecipherable from 2012 Mitt Romney.
00:20:31.000 Dang.
00:20:32.000 No, I want you to think deeply about that.
00:20:34.000 So they're running a center-right advertising campaign towards boomers, and it's super smart because it tends to be working in the data.
00:20:42.000 Now you run those towards younger voters, they're like, we want revolutionary change, we can't own homes, everything is terrible, what the heck are you talking about?
00:20:50.000 Boomers don't like that language though.
00:20:52.000 No.
00:20:52.000 They don't.
00:20:53.000 They do not want status quo.
00:20:58.000 They want placidity, serenity.
00:21:02.000 This is why the Fox battle with Trump is so bad and damaging in so many different ways.
00:21:08.000 There's an element here where it's like, I get it.
00:21:12.000 I totally agree.
00:21:12.000 I think young people love the attacks on Paul Ryan there within the space.
00:21:16.000 But it's like, I don't know if that's going to be... This may be contributing a little bit to that because every boomer you know, they can't help but peel themselves.
00:21:26.000 But let's go a level deeper here.
00:21:27.000 In the primary, remember, the most anti-Trump part of the Republican Party are boomers.
00:21:32.000 And the most pro-Trump part of the Republican Party are Gen X and Gen Z and Millennials.
00:21:36.000 Yeah.
00:21:36.000 If you're conservative.
00:21:38.000 Yeah.
00:21:38.000 The younger you get, the more based you are.
00:21:40.000 The older you get, the less based you are.
00:21:41.000 Because you're consuming content like the Charlie Kirk Show versus... Totally.
00:21:45.000 Versus whatever.
00:21:47.000 You're getting fed TikToks that are... Based.
00:21:50.000 Based.
00:21:51.000 So anyway, again, this is not... So media works.
00:21:53.000 There's plenty of boomers out there that we love.
00:21:54.000 I've been really focused on this issue for the last couple of days.
00:21:57.000 Blake, I think rightfully so.
00:21:58.000 I think we're on something very powerful here.
00:22:00.000 For sure.
00:22:00.000 For sure.
00:22:00.000 And I don't think other people, by the way, I had a 45 minute conversation.
00:22:03.000 I was on a podcast with Newt Gingrich.
00:22:05.000 He's like, Charlie, this is the smartest analysis.
00:22:07.000 He's like, you're spot on.
00:22:07.000 You're connecting dots for me.
00:22:09.000 And what he really loved and he's going to because he's incredibly well respected.
00:22:13.000 Newt is someone that we should like have us.
00:22:14.000 He should have a great speaking role at the convention.
00:22:16.000 Like, yes, you should have like Newt Gingrich just like nonstop, just like at 5 p.m.
00:22:21.000 No, I mean, like, seriously, like, he should be, like, center stage.
00:22:23.000 Charlie is a hardcore Newt Gingrich, Mark, just so everybody knows.
00:22:26.000 Hardcore.
00:22:27.000 I'm a big Newt fan.
00:22:28.000 I always have been.
00:22:29.000 That's what I'm saying.
00:22:30.000 But I think that we also have to be willing to say, okay, what names and faces, like Dr. Ben Carson, I would give him a, like, an amazing speaker spot.
00:22:39.000 This is maybe why Ben Carson's a good VP nod.
00:22:42.000 I'm telling you.
00:22:43.000 It's just not going to happen, but I'm with you.
00:22:44.000 I know, but... We've pushed it for a while.
00:22:46.000 I know, but I'm saying... Ben Carson would run the score with boomers.
00:22:49.000 Yeah!
00:22:51.000 Are you kidding me?
00:22:52.000 Yeah, he's liked a lot!
00:22:52.000 He is like the ideal boomer vice-presidential candidate.
00:22:55.000 Ben Carson would... Do you know why?
00:22:59.000 Do you know why?
00:23:00.000 Yes, I know why.
00:23:00.000 No, no, no, no, no.
00:23:01.000 It's because he's a surgeon.
00:23:03.000 No, no, it's not that.
00:23:04.000 No, I know I'm being facetious.
00:23:07.000 Sean Hannity, during the peak Ben Carson, Sean Hannity had him on his show like every other day.
00:23:14.000 I'm talking like 2012 or whatever it was.
00:23:16.000 Oh, no, he is in bed.
00:23:17.000 By the way, in Detroit, when we just like call Ben Carson's name, the amount of like boomer jumping that was happening, Yeah.
00:23:27.000 It's as if we were like, ladies and gentlemen, for our younger audience, like, here's Logan Paul or Andrew Tate.
00:23:32.000 It's like, Ben Gosselin!
00:23:37.000 Vice President Andrew Tate.
00:23:39.000 But I want everyone to appreciate this.
00:23:41.000 Our problem as Republicans, typically here's how campaigns are run.
00:23:45.000 You run a primary, talking about, like, dropping bombs on your enemies, and, you know, lowering taxes, you consolidate to the general, and then as you get closer to the general, you try to expand the coalition with younger voters, Hispanics, and blacks.
00:23:59.000 This year, we win the primary, and we do record well in young voters, blacks, and Hispanics, and the closer we get to the election, we need to re-win the previous base of the Republican Party.
00:24:10.000 It's like Trump is charged, he's like, He's vaulted over the wall, he's got the sword, the enemy's running away, and he turns around and like, you know, the units have not followed.
00:24:20.000 He's like, you guys, you guys gotta come after me here.
00:24:22.000 I know, but I want to talk about one of our sponsors here, and I would rather be us than them.
00:24:27.000 I would rather have our project to be people that consume a bunch of media, people that watch a lot of TV, because we will have parody on TV, and I think when all is said and done, I think that a lot of boomers will be like, I might not like Trump, but again, if you have a good convention, I cannot tell you.
00:24:45.000 Like convention for us doesn't feel like much.
00:24:47.000 That is imprinted and tattooed into the psyche of so many voters.
00:24:52.000 It's on all network TV.
00:24:53.000 It gets clipped everywhere.
00:24:55.000 It gets covered everywhere.
00:24:56.000 And if our lineup is boomer friendly, we could see a huge polling boost there.
00:25:01.000 The people we need to get back are the kind of people who will want who will be a swash
00:25:05.000 by seeing the debates and the convention and be like, everything's normal.
00:25:08.000 Everything's OK.
00:25:09.000 And that's the point is that the base of the Republican Party right now, if you look at
00:25:13.000 Trump rallies, by the way, if you look at our audience, like despite what the media
00:25:16.000 said, it was very heavy Gen X and like very it was like there was some boomer element,
00:25:21.000 but a lot of baby boomers don't like the talk of revolution.
00:25:25.000 They don't like the talk of upheaval.
00:25:26.000 They want status quo.
00:25:28.000 They want something they can count on.
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00:26:15.000 Okay.
00:26:15.000 What is our, anyone have closing thoughts?
00:26:17.000 I think this is an infinitely rich topic, by the way.
00:26:19.000 Jack, you have any thoughts there?
00:26:23.000 Look, that's going to be the biggest shift and it's honestly, I want to come back to this.
00:26:28.000 It needs to be understood that this is going to be a huge part of the debates.
00:26:34.000 The conservative boomers, liberal boomers, independent boomers, whoever you want to talk about, this is a heavily TV watching audience.
00:26:41.000 They're not necessarily the podcast audience.
00:26:43.000 They're certainly not the TikTok audience, social media.
00:26:46.000 Yeah, they're there, but it's by and large, their medium is television.
00:26:51.000 They are going to watch this debate.
00:26:53.000 And if the first debate doesn't go well, they may not watch the second.
00:26:57.000 No, they will.
00:26:58.000 There's a lot of space between the two.
00:26:58.000 I disagree.
00:27:01.000 Well, there's space, but you know what I'm saying?
00:27:03.000 The chance may not be there if the first debate doesn't go well.
00:27:08.000 So you've got a real jump ball with the first debate.
00:27:11.000 Make it a point specifically in the first debate to speak to this.
00:27:14.000 Well, Jack, to that point, too.
00:27:17.000 If more boomers are watching the TV debate, which they do, which they will, the attacks on Biden's mental acuity, I totally agree, are not going to.
00:27:29.000 It's not smart.
00:27:29.000 It's not smart.
00:27:30.000 By the way, it works with a younger audience.
00:27:32.000 We have a senile president.
00:27:32.000 They think it's insane.
00:27:34.000 And we should we can clip that.
00:27:34.000 Totally.
00:27:35.000 We already have plenty of that content.
00:27:37.000 Plenty of it.
00:27:38.000 That's not the place for the debate.
00:27:39.000 So because because of the boomer audience, that will probably not love that as much.
00:27:47.000 That's really insightful.
00:27:49.000 I mean, so what do you do then?
00:27:50.000 That's what I'm saying.
00:27:52.000 Contrast him to Jimmy Carter.
00:27:54.000 Don't necessarily attack his age, attack his record, or lack thereof.
00:27:59.000 Attack his disaster.
00:28:00.000 Attack what's going on in the country.
00:28:02.000 Attack what's going on overseas.
00:28:03.000 By the way, they remember America from the 1950s and 60s when we were at the height of Pax Americana, when we were top dog in the world.
00:28:13.000 They remember the real America-led.
00:28:17.000 Yeah, so that's a really good point.
00:28:18.000 Do you want to win boomers over?
00:28:19.000 You know what ad I would do of all the ads?
00:28:21.000 against, you know, at the time, global communism. And so the idea that Biden has ruined America's
00:28:28.000 standing on the world stage, I think is going to be a huge attack line there.
00:28:32.000 And yet so that's a really good point. Do you want to win boomers over? You know what
00:28:35.000 ad I would do of all the ads? Afghanistan.
00:28:39.000 Yeah.
00:28:41.000 Would you agree, Jack?
00:28:42.000 I think international embarrassment is a very persuasive, like that's of all the things I hear.
00:28:42.000 Yeah.
00:28:50.000 I've never heard, by the way, a younger voter be like, yeah, the rest of the world is laughing at us.
00:28:54.000 But the talking point at the bingo night is the rest of the world is laughing at us, Jack and Charlie.
00:29:00.000 Yes.
00:29:01.000 What is the direct connection there to Jimmy Carter, as I was just saying, Desert One.
00:29:07.000 Operation Eagle Claw.
00:29:10.000 So this is what you do with the debate.
00:29:12.000 No, just with the ad.
00:29:13.000 And you run this ad during the debate.
00:29:14.000 We're setting this up in real time here.
00:29:17.000 So Desert One was Operation Eagle Claw, the failed attempt to rescue American hostages from the U.S.
00:29:25.000 Embassy in Tehran.
00:29:27.000 So this, by the way, happened in 1980.
00:29:29.000 So it happens in the election year.
00:29:31.000 Which was devastating for Carter.
00:29:33.000 The fact that the U.S.
00:29:34.000 military, this is prior to JSOC, this is actually kind of the reason that JSOC was, not to get too in the weeds, but was created for a joint special operations unit to be put together, that we sent in helicopters, we sent in special forces, and it was a complete failure.
00:29:49.000 So I think I'm looking here, April 24th to 25th, 1980, massive failure, massive loss of prestige on the world stage.
00:29:58.000 And this set the tone for Jimmy Carter the rest of the election.
00:30:02.000 He could just never be put forward.
00:30:05.000 So it wasn't necessarily his age, it was just the sense that he was incompetent.
00:30:11.000 This is how you make the ad.
00:30:12.000 You tie Desert One to the fall of Kabul.
00:30:17.000 I think that's smart.
00:30:18.000 Okay, what's our next topic?
00:30:19.000 Well, speaking of the military, the other thing that is in the news this week is they might add women to the Selective Service.
00:30:27.000 How Daisy's getting drafted.
00:30:29.000 Exactly, we're gonna draft our Daisy.
00:30:31.000 And Emma, they're gonna be in combat fatigues, they're gonna have the helmets on, they're gonna be totin', M4s, it's gonna be great.
00:30:41.000 Someone photoshop that for us.
00:30:42.000 We should AI it.
00:30:43.000 Yeah, this is in the National Defense Authorization Act.
00:30:46.000 I suspect this won't make it to the final bill, but it's been in the news that the Senate has advanced a version of this in which women will register for selective service.
00:30:55.000 Now, that is a long way from the draft, but it is a fun thought experiment as a concept.
00:31:02.000 Is this going to happen eventually?
00:31:04.000 And I guess I think we'd probably all be in agreement that this is probably not something the country needs, but... I would love to see MSU to M4.
00:31:16.000 Would you say that again?
00:31:17.000 I'd love to see Emma Carey and shoot him.
00:31:18.000 Oh, yeah, absolutely.
00:31:19.000 We should do this.
00:31:20.000 So, but the more important question, I mean, the obvious take, but the important one is that women's have been women have been fighting for women's equality for so time, so much time.
00:31:28.000 So wouldn't they be thrilled about this?
00:31:30.000 You'd think like the feminists that are 62 percent in Joe Biden's direction, 64 percent, actually.
00:31:35.000 Some of them would be.
00:31:36.000 I don't know that any.
00:31:38.000 I don't know that any of them are going to actually sign up.
00:31:40.000 No, the ultimate feminist owner would be like, no, it gets in the way of my shoe company.
00:31:44.000 Not like it gets in the way of me like owning, like raising kids, but it's like
00:31:48.000 it gets in the way of my corporate career.
00:31:50.000 What's interesting to me is it is also very theoretical.
00:31:52.000 We haven't had a draft since Vietnam.
00:31:54.000 In countries where they still have the draft, this can become a very live issue.
00:31:58.000 have the draft, this can become a very live issue.
00:32:00.000 So in South Korea, South Korea is one of the only countries that has a sex gap in voting as large as the U.S.
00:32:06.000 does, where men are really right-wing, women are really left-wing.
00:32:09.000 And South Korea also has very severe military service requirements, but only for men.
00:32:15.000 If you are a man, I think you need to spend at least 18 months in the military before you're like 28 or 30 or some age point like that.
00:32:24.000 And you don't get paid much.
00:32:26.000 So it's a very demanding thing.
00:32:27.000 You'll graduate high school as a man in South Korea.
00:32:30.000 You have to go do your military service for nearly two years, and then you're allowed to go to college or start your career.
00:32:36.000 And this is a huge burden on men relative to women.
00:32:40.000 And then on top of that, South Korea, like us, has all these political initiatives, you know, to get women in X, Y, and Z.
00:32:45.000 And so it's driving this massive battle of the sexes in South Korea, where the men are extremely hostile to the women, not having to do the selective service.
00:32:53.000 So I think it's funny in the U.S.
00:32:55.000 that you instead see men, I think, being territorial about like, oh, we're going to add women to the draft as a sign of this like creeping feminization of things.
00:33:05.000 Whereas in countries where you actually can get drafted, I think you instead see young men seeing like, yeah, like they should they should have to do the same stuff we do.
00:33:13.000 Just a thought.
00:33:15.000 Israel, by the way, also has mandatory conscription, if I remember correctly.
00:33:19.000 They do, for both, that's right.
00:33:20.000 Yeah, Israel, and famously, there are female IDF soldiers, and this is something, I'm just pulling it up here, conscription applies, Israeli citizens, age 18, both men and women are required to serve.
00:33:33.000 However, the duration and roles may differ.
00:33:37.000 Men are typically, wow, men are typically required to serve for 32 months.
00:33:42.000 Now, obviously, this may have, May have changed post 10-7.
00:33:47.000 Men typically required to serve for 32 months.
00:33:50.000 Women typically serve for 24 months.
00:33:53.000 That's wild.
00:33:54.000 That's wild.
00:33:55.000 And it also just goes to show you that in this country, you know, we benefit from having, you know, two relatively safe, obviously borders to our east and west with the oceans.
00:34:07.000 To the north, we have Canada.
00:34:08.000 To the south, we have Mexico.
00:34:09.000 Not a safe border, but compared to other parts of the world, It's a huge luxury.
00:34:14.000 Huge luxury that we don't need this type of military service in America.
00:34:19.000 Yeah.
00:34:19.000 Any other thoughts there, guys?
00:34:21.000 So, draft aside, do we think, like, a lot of women should be in the military generally?
00:34:28.000 In combat roles, I don't necessarily think so.
00:34:30.000 I mean, if they want to serve in non-combat arena, I think that if you want to be in an intel officer or something critical in that regard, But no, I've been on the record that I don't think women should be in frontline combat roles.
00:34:41.000 Not to say that necessarily there haven't been women that have been heroes in that regard, but I think it's been long-term damaging to the culture of the United States military.
00:34:48.000 Especially, and you have a take on this, Blake, the camaraderie of frontline combat units.
00:34:53.000 It is very primal, and introducing a single female into that changes the dynamic completely.
00:34:57.000 It's very interesting when you read about how you how you build men into soldiers like if you read about how they do Marine Corps basic training or if you've been through that basic training yourself, you know that it's kind of it's almost like a Better version of like almost making you join a cult or something where they're going to isolate you.
00:35:16.000 They're going to put you through a ton of really intense work.
00:35:19.000 You're going to get really tightly bound with your comrades and it's like hazing everyone has to do like in the Marines.
00:35:25.000 Everyone has to do the same basic training.
00:35:27.000 It's really intense.
00:35:28.000 They're all bound by that and it's to create a Every person who's been in the war will tell you, when you're really in a war, you don't keep fighting because you care about the cause, you don't keep fighting because you're obsessed with the country.
00:35:43.000 What you end up getting really obsessed with is the guy next to you, your comrades, and your duty to them.
00:35:50.000 And this is sort of a...
00:35:52.000 Bluntly, this is a thing that men in an all-male environment have a much easier time creating and maintaining, and it does mess it up when you add a lot of women to that, because what do men do over women?
00:36:04.000 They compete over women!
00:36:05.000 Even if it's not even on a, like, attraction basis, it just, it changes how they interact.
00:36:05.000 Yes.
00:36:11.000 they start worrying about saving face. They start worrying about how they look
00:36:16.000 to everyone else. They they stop caring about just do whatever it takes to get
00:36:21.000 the mission done and it doesn't matter necessarily who gets credit or anything
00:36:25.000 else. And I'm not saying it's always like this, but it is a force that comes
00:36:29.000 into play. And if you talk to a lot of guys who have been in the military
00:36:34.000 long time, a lot of them will just tell you this, that it it does mess it up to
00:36:38.000 just suddenly have a bunch of women in that environment.
00:36:42.000 So the cultural issues...
00:36:44.000 I think it's just very simple.
00:36:46.000 We should hold men and women to the same standard for output.
00:36:49.000 And organically, because that's kind of how it used to run, right?
00:36:53.000 And organically, there were no women in combat.
00:36:57.000 Uh, form for that outside of a few specific instances, like in the cockpit, for example, just women are smaller in stature.
00:37:05.000 And so there's some roles where it makes more sense to have smaller humans inside, you know, planes and tanks and things like that, which totally makes sense.
00:37:13.000 But like, they should be, just be held the same standard.
00:37:15.000 It's really simple.
00:37:16.000 We should have the best possible killers on the front lines, you know, and so that everybody's scared of us, not people who are trans.
00:37:25.000 So I agree.
00:37:27.000 So I think we're in full agreement.
00:37:28.000 By the way, Blake, what you're what you're talking about, the phrase is espirit de corps.
00:37:35.000 It's it's the French phrase.
00:37:36.000 You know, it kind of translates to like unit cohesion, but it's so much bigger than that.
00:37:40.000 Espirit de corps.
00:37:42.000 When I was in the military, it just it's it's it is that that unbreakable bond that you're talking about, that when you're put through the pressure cooker together, that you come out with and And by the way, I would throw out there, though, to folks saying, oh, well, you know, what if just one or two women are introduced in one of these units?
00:38:02.000 And that's not so bad because that doesn't keep it up.
00:38:05.000 And I would just say, again, having served in a variety of positions where there are only a small number of women compared to a large number of men, Charlie, what do you think that does?
00:38:22.000 To the male pool that is there when you're in an isolated environment and there's a large pool of men and a small pool of women.
00:38:31.000 Pray tell, what would you think?
00:38:34.000 What do I think about if there's a large pool of men and a small pool of women?
00:38:37.000 I mean, yeah, it creates... What do you think that does to the men?
00:38:39.000 It creates a certain behavior.
00:38:42.000 Certain behavior.
00:38:43.000 Certain behavior is a great way to put it.
00:38:44.000 It creates certain behavior, and that certain behavior is absolutely—look, there is a biological imperative, there is a natural imperative there, but I'll tell you one thing.
00:38:53.000 It is not imperative to the good order and discipline of running a United States military unit.
00:38:59.000 It's certainly not good for running a submarine, which recently introduced female submariners, even though probably submarine corps is on its way out, given the prevalence of drones in undersea warfare going forward.
00:39:10.000 Um, but this, this is just something that creates competitiveness.
00:39:14.000 The ratios, I mean, look, when I was at Guantanamo, it was like, I think the ratio was like 10 to one in some instances, depending on the unit or overall on the island.
00:39:23.000 And so look, you get all of those guys competing for the one girl.
00:39:27.000 And unfortunately for some of the female troopers, when they see this, they then take it as license
00:39:36.000 and they then take it as agency to be able to pull favors, to be able to pull rank, to be able to get what they want,
00:39:44.000 to be able to get plum assignments, because they realize they have this influence over others.
00:39:49.000 By the way, here's a picture of Daisy and Emma on the front lines in Ukraine.
00:39:52.000 154, bring it up.
00:39:54.000 Yeah, there we go.
00:39:55.000 That actually looks like Syria.
00:39:57.000 Yeah, I think that's, they're going off, they're gonna fight the war.
00:40:00.000 Yeah, they're deployed in Mosul right now.
00:40:03.000 Daisy was telling me the other day how much she hates Assad.
00:40:06.000 She's like, I'm going to take him out myself.
00:40:08.000 But that's that's men with their faces on it.
00:40:11.000 No, that's not.
00:40:12.000 No, the stature.
00:40:13.000 No, that is.
00:40:14.000 No, it's not.
00:40:15.000 They actually got drafted since the show started.
00:40:18.000 They got scooped up.
00:40:19.000 Tyler, show some respect for our women in uniform.
00:40:21.000 If either one of them was carrying that gun, it would be literally touching, it would be dragging on the ground.
00:40:26.000 Yeah, it is.
00:40:27.000 We should clarify.
00:40:28.000 These women probably have a combined weight of like, what, like 160 pounds or something?
00:40:33.000 I don't guess women.
00:40:34.000 Em and Daisy are producers.
00:40:36.000 I don't know that the audience knows who Em and Daisy are.
00:40:38.000 They are producers and we love them and they're the best.
00:40:40.000 They're great.
00:40:41.000 No, but I put them on the spot here for now.
00:40:42.000 They just really hate Assad.
00:40:43.000 They just really hate Assad.
00:40:44.000 We're going to take them out to, we're going to take them out with Paige.
00:40:48.000 Oh, Paige Rue?
00:40:50.000 Paige could go fight.
00:40:53.000 I think she'd want to fight.
00:40:54.000 Yeah, Paige is already there, but we'll have Paige win a battle royale in this office.
00:40:56.000 No, but this is what I'm saying.
00:40:57.000 Paige goes in the unit, and it's going to ruin all the men in the unit.
00:41:01.000 Some guys see Paige come to the unit, they're all done.
00:41:04.000 They're all completely ruined.
00:41:06.000 All of them.
00:41:07.000 I think that's right.
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00:42:29.000 Kirk what if we only drafted women in the WNBA think that'd be a great idea
00:42:34.000 because I'm feeling are not she has to leave them I don't know if she's doing
00:42:39.000 no pretty good for the military more of you know i think right now
00:42:42.000 No, Brittany Griner is more than capable, more than qualified.
00:42:46.000 I fully support Brittany Griner leading the charge into harm's way on the battlefield.
00:42:52.000 By the way, you know, I got a hate email from somebody saying, Charlie, what are you talking about?
00:42:55.000 The WNBA is more entertaining than college basketball.
00:42:57.000 It's so amazing to watch.
00:42:59.000 And I literally respond, I'm like, is this a troll?
00:43:02.000 Like, are you trying to troll?
00:43:04.000 And then she got really upset.
00:43:06.000 She, like, lists all the thought crimes.
00:43:07.000 I'll look it up who it is.
00:43:08.000 Seems like a very sweet person.
00:43:09.000 Sometimes you'll see this.
00:43:10.000 They'll be like, there's more emphasis on passing.
00:43:12.000 No, no, no.
00:43:13.000 She said that.
00:43:13.000 It's more skill and finesse, she said.
00:43:14.000 There is.
00:43:15.000 That is not true.
00:43:16.000 I said, you mean, like, more missed shots?
00:43:18.000 And, like, slower players?
00:43:20.000 I have a request.
00:43:22.000 The WNBA All-Star Game is in Phoenix?
00:43:25.000 We can shoot ThoughtCrime Live.
00:43:25.000 No, no.
00:43:27.000 We should do ThoughtCrime Live outside the WNBA.
00:43:29.000 We should do College Game Day outside.
00:43:32.000 Outside.
00:43:33.000 ThoughtCrime Live outside the WNBA and be super serious and all of us can dress up.
00:43:38.000 That'd be great.
00:43:41.000 The real question is, will there be any straight men at the WNBA All-Star Game?
00:43:48.000 Will there be any straight women?
00:43:49.000 Well, not if Blake... Well... Yes, I think there... I mean... Have you been to... Have you seen a WNBA game?
00:43:55.000 Actually, I've tried... I really tried for about 25 seconds.
00:43:59.000 And... My goodness.
00:44:02.000 After 25 seconds... So, I actually have a belief.
00:44:06.000 So, you know how all the NBA teams do, like, a pride night?
00:44:10.000 I think there should be a straight night at the WNBA games.
00:44:15.000 Cause it's so hard to find.
00:44:16.000 Yeah.
00:44:17.000 Cause it's like, it's mostly straight.
00:44:18.000 If you're an NBA fan and then they have pride night and you know, the gay community is welcome.
00:44:23.000 I think the straight community should be welcome to at least one of the W. So that's the, that's the Saturday.
00:44:28.000 That's the Saturday after Milwaukee, which means, so wait, Wait, are we gonna do Thought Prime in Milwaukee?
00:44:33.000 We have to do it, Charlie.
00:44:34.000 You can't pay me to go.
00:44:34.000 You guys go.
00:44:36.000 Yeah, it'd be so fun if we take it seriously.
00:44:38.000 You can wear a Bernie Griner jersey.
00:44:39.000 Should we ballot chase at the WNBA?
00:44:41.000 Yeah, I'm sure you'll have some fans.
00:44:44.000 Did I tell you about when I went to a concert?
00:44:45.000 We'll have fans at the WNBA.
00:44:47.000 I'm sure there will be.
00:44:48.000 Did I tell you?
00:44:49.000 I went to a concert with my wife.
00:44:50.000 You have to respond to that email.
00:44:52.000 Make sure she registered.
00:44:53.000 I went to a concert with my wife.
00:44:55.000 I turn around.
00:44:56.000 I'm in this line.
00:44:57.000 And the I'm not kidding you.
00:45:00.000 The gayest guy I've ever seen was behind me.
00:45:04.000 And he goes, are you Tyler Boyer?
00:45:06.000 And I was like, oh, no, because I turn around and I was like, This guy's gonna, like, he hates us, right?
00:45:12.000 Like, I've been through the Philadelphia incident with you and Candace.
00:45:15.000 Yeah, we got stormed out.
00:45:16.000 And I turn around and he's got Boa on, he's hanging out, and he's like, I love you guys.
00:45:21.000 I love you entirely.
00:45:22.000 Thank you for all you're doing.
00:45:23.000 The gay community has a lot of fans of what we do.
00:45:27.000 Okay, so here's an interesting question.
00:45:29.000 So don't discount the WNBA fans.
00:45:32.000 We don't have some really great fans.
00:45:33.000 Fair enough.
00:45:33.000 Do you think lesbians or gays are more MAGA, Jack?
00:45:38.000 Gays.
00:45:39.000 Why?
00:45:42.000 Because lesbians tend to be more feminine coded and feminine coded is liberal.
00:45:49.000 Okay, do you agree, Blake?
00:45:51.000 I think it's... yeah, I think gay men are more likely to...
00:45:55.000 I don't know that it's because of the masculine feminine thing or...
00:46:01.000 It's almost just like in my gut I suspect this.
00:46:04.000 It's just how... There's a fair amount of gay men that show up to MAGA rallies.
00:46:08.000 There's a fair amount of gay men who are, like, extremely right-wing.
00:46:13.000 Well, they also work on Capitol Hill and call themselves Republican staffers.
00:46:16.000 Yeah.
00:46:17.000 Not even that.
00:46:18.000 Yeah, just anecdotally, going to rallies and being around the movement, I would say I've run into more gays for Trump than... I'm not saying I haven't found lesbians for Trump.
00:46:27.000 I mean, there certainly are.
00:46:29.000 There's some that I know personally, as a matter of fact.
00:46:31.000 I would just say based on numbers, I think I run into more gays for Trump than anything.
00:46:38.000 Blake, of course, runs into gays for Trump every single night on Grindr.
00:46:42.000 I'm going to make the pitch right now for why lesbians should convert to conservatism.
00:46:49.000 I thought you were going to say to convert to something else.
00:46:52.000 No, to conservatism.
00:46:54.000 And it's because, I mean, look, every person I know I think this is super weird.
00:46:59.000 I think it's culturally anemic when it comes to politics for conservatives, lesbians.
00:47:04.000 The gay community is coming around.
00:47:06.000 The lesbian community is not great for us.
00:47:09.000 But here's what I'll tell you is that there are so many We're winning over men in such high numbers.
00:47:16.000 So we should win over people who want to be men?
00:47:18.000 No, so there's more masculine women.
00:47:21.000 There's always, and they say this in the gay relationship, there's always a more feminine partner and there's always a more masculine partner in a lesbian relationship.
00:47:30.000 The more masculine partner should definitely be voting for Trump.
00:47:33.000 No question.
00:47:35.000 If you're a caretaker, provider, you like doing those things, there's a lot of the same vibes.
00:47:41.000 They just have to discover it, right?
00:47:42.000 There's tons of blue collar in the lesbian community.
00:47:46.000 So the data shows that lesbians are actually slightly, no, I'm sorry, that gays are slightly, gay men are slightly more What I think is interesting about this old chart is it says that about 8% of gay men are Republican and then 4% of lesbians and 7% of bisexuals and it's still that all LGBT are still 8% Republican which just shows gay men are like vastly outnumbered like the real reason yeah like the reason lesbians should go right-wing is like the the trans phenomenon is like a genocide of lesbians basically
00:48:19.000 I think lesbians who are actually Republican just aren't vocal because it's so unpopular with the crossover between feminism and lesbian issues.
00:48:29.000 So two questions.
00:48:30.000 Number one, in these pride parades, do you see a lot of lesbians present?
00:48:34.000 It seems mostly a gay men phenomenon.
00:48:35.000 No, there are.
00:48:37.000 I don't go to pride parades.
00:48:38.000 Well, I don't either, Blake.
00:48:39.000 So that's why I'm asking.
00:48:40.000 No clips.
00:48:41.000 Like clips.
00:48:42.000 I don't watch clips of Pride Parades either.
00:48:44.000 Blake, why did you think Charlie was asking you?
00:48:46.000 It's in your face.
00:48:47.000 Come on, it's on the Telegram channel.
00:48:50.000 Don't act like you're oblivious to gay Pride Parades.
00:48:53.000 Jack, am I on to something here?
00:48:54.000 It seems to be more gay men than lesbians.
00:48:56.000 Am I right?
00:48:59.000 So it's, yeah, it's gay men, it's drag queens, and it's male to female trans, but in terms of the numbers, again, Yeah, it seems to be way fewer lesbians.
00:49:14.000 Have you guys felt a more muted Pride Month than in years past?
00:49:18.000 Yes.
00:49:18.000 This year?
00:49:19.000 100%.
00:49:19.000 Do you agree, Tyler?
00:49:20.000 I was talking about this with Noah.
00:49:21.000 This seems way chiller Pride Month.
00:49:23.000 Last year it was like literally- It was out of control.
00:49:25.000 You couldn't turn anywhere without it being Pride Month.
00:49:28.000 This year has been like- it's the target effect.
00:49:31.000 I think it's the target effect.
00:49:32.000 I think they're afraid that doing like this stuff in public Actually hurts them in the election.
00:49:37.000 Yes.
00:49:38.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.
00:49:39.000 They muted it.
00:49:40.000 I think it's totally muted.
00:49:41.000 It's been way turned down.
00:49:43.000 And even in Detroit, I was expecting a lot more in downtown Detroit.
00:49:46.000 I mean, we had the it was pretty good in Detroit.
00:49:48.000 There was there was for example, like Google's homepage is about soccer right now.
00:49:52.000 We're still in the month of pride.
00:49:56.000 Yeah, I saw flags all over Detroit.
00:49:59.000 And by the way, we went into we drove through Ohio as well.
00:50:04.000 And I saw them in Sandusky, I saw them in Toledo, I saw them in Cleveland.
00:50:08.000 So here's here's one danger that I see among the right or just among the sort of like anti-woke crowd.
00:50:15.000 People are saying that, OK, is it a muted, you know, is it a muted Pride Month?
00:50:20.000 Yes.
00:50:21.000 But at the same time, just because it's muted doesn't mean that the Overton window hasn't been completely shifted from where it was just a decade ago in terms of acceptance of this and not only The acceptance, but also the this sort of idea that, you know, Pride Month is normalized.
00:50:40.000 So the normalization is still there.
00:50:43.000 And that's what I'm saying.
00:50:44.000 It isn't necessarily whether or not it's as in your face as it was.
00:50:48.000 But I think the normalization has already been achieved.
00:50:52.000 Okay, that was a detour segment.
00:50:54.000 It was a bit, but it actually works out for one of the things we wanted to talk about.
00:50:57.000 Phobias, right?
00:50:58.000 Obviously we hear about homophobia, transphobia.
00:51:01.000 We've frequently had people point out that they don't really have a conventional arachnophobia-style fear of gays.
00:51:09.000 Probably is more accurate for transphobia.
00:51:10.000 I think a few people do recoil if they see Babs the Drag Queen show up in a kindergarten.
00:51:19.000 We had a lot of fun talking last week about tipping, so we thought this week we could just say, do you have any real... The chambermaid kind of said it.
00:51:27.000 Yeah, so the question is, do you have any real phobias?
00:51:30.000 Not like fake phobias.
00:51:32.000 I don't know the clinical term.
00:51:33.000 I'm very afraid of like rats and mice.
00:51:36.000 I get very skittish if there's like a mouse or a rat around.
00:51:40.000 Incredibly so.
00:51:41.000 Really?
00:51:41.000 Yeah.
00:51:43.000 You're lucky you live out here.
00:51:44.000 That's moosophobia.
00:51:45.000 What?
00:51:45.000 Moosophobia.
00:51:47.000 So not mouse, but moosophobia.
00:51:50.000 I wouldn't say it's a phobia.
00:51:52.000 I hate heights, though.
00:51:53.000 Do not like them.
00:51:55.000 Hate heights.
00:51:57.000 Like, how bad?
00:51:57.000 Like, have you gone to the Grand Canyon and you can't go near the ledge and all that?
00:52:02.000 I mean, I can go near the ledge.
00:52:04.000 Here's how bad.
00:52:05.000 If I'm on, like, the 15th floor of a high-rise, and it's like a balcony, I can chill there.
00:52:10.000 I can't, like, go up and look down.
00:52:12.000 I think that most people are like that.
00:52:14.000 I don't know if... Like, could you, like, look over a balcony and look down to the ground?
00:52:18.000 Yeah, I think... Do you hear what I'm saying, Tyler?
00:52:21.000 I mean, that spooks me out, right?
00:52:22.000 I hate it.
00:52:23.000 Okay.
00:52:24.000 I was actually... Yeah, see, Angelo said this.
00:52:26.000 I get a weird feeling in my feet with balconies.
00:52:28.000 I'm right there with him.
00:52:29.000 So, what other fears do I have?
00:52:34.000 I'll let you guys... Would it be bad, like, when you lived in D.C., D.C.
00:52:38.000 definitely has rats that are visible.
00:52:40.000 Oh, no, no, I literally... Rats?
00:52:42.000 I do, like, I've always hated the idea of just, like, a critter crawling around.
00:52:47.000 Hate it.
00:52:49.000 So I legit, um, I've, I've talked about this publicly before.
00:52:53.000 I legit have misophonia.
00:52:55.000 Um, so no, no, no, no, no, not misophonia or musophonia, but actually misophonia, which is different from misophobia.
00:53:04.000 So that's when, um, Chewing, slurping, lip smacking, heavy breathing sounds.
00:53:12.000 They just drive me nuts.
00:53:13.000 So what's really weird is that, you know, because I knew somebody was going to do this.
00:53:17.000 It doesn't actually bother me when someone does it deliberate.
00:53:20.000 It's only when people are doing it.
00:53:22.000 Stop it.
00:53:22.000 I hate it too.
00:53:23.000 As an accident that it drives me nuts.
00:53:27.000 So or people are doing it like without involuntarily when someone does it.
00:53:32.000 Yeah, on an airplane, in a movie theater, and it doesn't, and so it just, I mean, I feel like this irritation, just straight up anger, rage, reaction, disgust, reaction, like I have in my youth when some friends have tried to mess with me, I've given people stitches over this.
00:53:53.000 Um, it's like, it just really, really, really rubs me the wrong way.
00:53:58.000 I have another one.
00:53:59.000 If there were anything I could do to fix it, I would totally do it.
00:54:02.000 Yeah, Terrell has this also really bad, by the way.
00:54:05.000 Here's another one I hate.
00:54:06.000 I am afraid to go under general anesthesia.
00:54:10.000 Ooh.
00:54:11.000 I've done it.
00:54:11.000 I absolutely hate it.
00:54:12.000 Oh my goodness.
00:54:13.000 I feel like you're dying.
00:54:14.000 Like, do you get like the shakes?
00:54:15.000 Like, do you?
00:54:15.000 Oh, I like freak out if I have to go under.
00:54:18.000 How do you do it?
00:54:18.000 That's a reasonable fear.
00:54:20.000 I mean, I've only ever done it once.
00:54:21.000 I've done it twice in my life.
00:54:23.000 Uh, and it's the worst thing ever.
00:54:24.000 I think it's more, you literally just like to give me every drug.
00:54:26.000 I think it's more reasonable to be afraid of anesthesia than it is to be of like irrational fears of doctors.
00:54:32.000 No, I'm not.
00:54:33.000 I think it's very rational to be afraid of, like, losing all consciousness.
00:54:36.000 You don't dream, you have no consciousness.
00:54:38.000 Yeah, I've only done it once.
00:54:39.000 I got my wisdom teeth out, but for me it was not a big deal.
00:54:42.000 I guess it was like, oh, thing makes me go to sleep.
00:54:45.000 Maybe I'd be more scared now.
00:54:46.000 It's not sleep, though.
00:54:46.000 That's what people don't understand.
00:54:47.000 You realize that they stick, they intubate you.
00:54:49.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:54:50.000 Because you don't breathe.
00:54:51.000 Yeah.
00:54:51.000 They have to then make you breathe with the tube.
00:54:54.000 So literally, like, your entire being is at their mercy.
00:54:57.000 There's a lot of stuff I probably would have been more freaked out if I knew more.
00:54:59.000 Like, now I know that they can screw it up where you'll be unable to move but you'll still feel everything and be conscious.
00:55:06.000 No, no, no, I know this.
00:55:07.000 This is why I was so deathly afraid.
00:55:09.000 My whole schedule was, like, revolving around this for, like, two weeks and I was, like, obsessing about it.
00:55:14.000 Freaking out about it.
00:55:16.000 Craziest thing I remember about it is just the way it'll be like, okay, we're gonna count down from 10... Oh, no, it's the worst.
00:55:21.000 ...9... No, no, no, I can't even think about it.
00:55:22.000 ...8, and you wake up!
00:55:22.000 You wake up, and it's seven hours later or whatever, and... Well, if it was seven hours later, that's... it's... Whatever, an hour later.
00:55:28.000 I don't know.
00:55:29.000 No, I can't even think about it.
00:55:31.000 My biggest fear.
00:55:32.000 I have a fear.
00:55:33.000 I don't have a fear of very many things, but I have a recurring nightmare.
00:55:38.000 I have several.
00:55:40.000 So I have a recurring nightmare that's like a very specific nightmare.
00:55:43.000 And so it's led me to what I've learned is amaxophobia, which is the fear of getting run over by a car.
00:55:52.000 And so I have this recurring nightmare.
00:55:56.000 I'm walking through a large Walmart parking lot.
00:56:00.000 And I walk behind a car and wonder while I was playing in the parking lot.
00:56:04.000 By Oasis.
00:56:06.000 This has happened.
00:56:07.000 I've had this dream.
00:56:07.000 Well, by Wonderwall.
00:56:09.000 I've had this same dream 10 times.
00:56:11.000 There's probably a meaning.
00:56:12.000 Wonderwall is playing in the background and I'm just walking through with a bag in my hand and a car just backs over me and I'm dead.
00:56:19.000 Is it like just abrupt or does it like come from a long distance?
00:56:22.000 I wake up.
00:56:23.000 I wake up.
00:56:23.000 Gotta play Wonderwall, guys.
00:56:25.000 Come on.
00:56:25.000 We gotta get out.
00:56:26.000 Wonderwall plays.
00:56:27.000 I'm walking through the parking lot and then like all of a sudden a car just like guns it and backs over me and I'm dead.
00:56:33.000 This is a recurring dream.
00:56:37.000 I have another fear.
00:56:38.000 Growing up, I was always deathly afraid that our house was going to get burglarized.
00:56:42.000 And so I got into guns super young.
00:56:45.000 And I still, I mean, we have tons of weapons.
00:56:46.000 If anyone even like gets near us, it's just...
00:56:49.000 It's open season, like super death.
00:56:51.000 I fear because we grew up in a house with a lot of windows in suburban Chicago, kind of like in the woods.
00:56:56.000 You've been to my house.
00:56:56.000 It's like where I grew up.
00:56:58.000 It's kind of like a sitting.
00:56:59.000 Yeah.
00:56:59.000 Yeah.
00:56:59.000 Because it's I mean, it's all wooded around.
00:57:01.000 It's all wooded glass.
00:57:02.000 And so your guys' house is cool.
00:57:04.000 It's amazing.
00:57:05.000 I grew up.
00:57:05.000 And so we have like tons of weapons and tons of dogs.
00:57:08.000 Yeah, I would say I actually, Tyler, I was just going to say that it's not a phobia, but since you mentioned it, I this hasn't occurred in a while.
00:57:17.000 I haven't had a dream in years.
00:57:19.000 Just absolute years.
00:57:21.000 Positive, negative, just no dreams whatsoever.
00:57:25.000 You know Mikey McCoy doesn't dream either?
00:57:27.000 And I'm like, dude, something's wrong with you.
00:57:29.000 How is that possible?
00:57:30.000 He doesn't dream either?
00:57:32.000 I dream when I nap.
00:57:33.000 Oh yeah.
00:57:33.000 I haven't had a dream.
00:57:34.000 Wait, so Jack, let me understand.
00:57:36.000 Did you like get your head hit or something or like something change?
00:57:41.000 No, not that I know of.
00:57:43.000 I mean, I never had an injury or anything.
00:57:47.000 I've just I've just haven't had one.
00:57:49.000 I got to look.
00:57:49.000 And I used to all the time.
00:57:50.000 I used to, you know, it used to be something that I prayed about.
00:57:54.000 I'd be like, oh, I pray I don't have a bad dream tonight.
00:57:56.000 That kind of thing.
00:57:57.000 Like before you go to bed, when you're when you're saying your prayers, which I still do every night.
00:58:01.000 But I just I haven't.
00:58:03.000 I used to always pray to never have a bad dream.
00:58:07.000 And when I was a kid and now for years, I want to say It's probably been over a decade since I've had a dream.
00:58:14.000 It's probably been over a decade.
00:58:15.000 What?! !
00:58:16.000 That's crazy.
00:58:18.000 Do you dream, Blake?
00:58:19.000 Yeah.
00:58:19.000 Not super often.
00:58:21.000 I used to dream more, and I would have these strangely... I dream every night!
00:58:24.000 And my dreams were usually kind of negative.
00:58:26.000 Like, I would have a dream... A very recurring theme in my dreams will be, like, there was a sense of, like, pervading, escalating doom.
00:58:34.000 So a lot of... It's weird.
00:58:35.000 Really?
00:58:36.000 Blake having dreams about pervading, escalating doom?
00:58:38.000 I'm so surprised!
00:58:39.000 So a lot of people have dreams, you know, where you go into school...
00:58:42.000 You go into school and like you have the quiz you didn't study for.
00:58:45.000 I never get that dream.
00:58:46.000 Every dream you can imagine I've had.
00:58:48.000 I don't get that dream.
00:58:48.000 The dream I will have is it'll be like I'm back in school like in college or in high school and it won't be about I won't be in class I won't be doing but I'll like it'll be a fact in the background of this dream and I just know it that like I'm failing the class and at the end of the term like I'll be screwed but like the hammer hasn't come down yet so I'll have that.
00:59:08.000 The more exciting ones it'll be like I'm in A movie or something and we're like resisting the evil totalitarian regime, but we don't defeat the totalitarian regime.
00:59:18.000 The ending is always like they entrap us and catch us and then like I wake up because I'm about to like... This explains so much!
00:59:28.000 I would also say it's not crippling, but I'd say relative to the average person I Probably kind of have a mild fear of the dark.
00:59:35.000 Like it makes me uncomfortable.
00:59:37.000 Like that's interesting.
00:59:38.000 Yeah.
00:59:39.000 Oh, you know what?
00:59:40.000 Like dark space.
00:59:41.000 I've never had such a fear of that.
00:59:42.000 Yeah.
00:59:42.000 That's that just, that just reminded me of something that just totally reminded the middle spaces.
00:59:47.000 Yeah.
00:59:48.000 No, it reminds me of, you know, what freaks me out is when you're, when you're underwater in, we used to go to this Lake up in Canada, uh, just North of like Kingston.
00:59:57.000 So in, in Ontario and, When you open your eyes underwater and you can't see the bottom, that freaks me out.
01:00:06.000 Oh yeah, fear of the deep, that's a thing.
01:00:10.000 I mean, I would totally have that.
01:00:12.000 I don't like... yeah.
01:00:14.000 That's called thalassophobia.
01:00:16.000 It's so amazing how people are wired differently.
01:00:18.000 I follow that.
01:00:18.000 Which is very related to... Some people are super afraid of sharks.
01:00:21.000 Like I've never been afraid of sharks in my life.
01:00:23.000 Yeah.
01:00:24.000 Like ever.
01:00:25.000 And so people are deathly afraid.
01:00:26.000 Yeah, like I've only swam in the ocean once in my life.
01:00:28.000 And it's never been that appealing to me.
01:00:30.000 Whatever.
01:00:31.000 It's open water, like whatever.
01:00:31.000 You know it's weird.
01:00:32.000 Really?
01:00:33.000 Have you ever been in like a lake or something?
01:00:36.000 And you're not afraid of anything.
01:00:37.000 Like I got to like, but then something will like, like.
01:00:42.000 Brush your leg.
01:00:42.000 Brush you.
01:00:43.000 And then it's like, then you're like, you're going to hit your head.
01:00:46.000 And you're going to be like.
01:00:47.000 A thing that has haunted me for ages is like one time someone
01:00:50.000 told me like just for kicks like free, hold your legs like still
01:00:53.000 under water.
01:00:54.000 And then like some fish kind of just like.
01:00:56.000 Like brush.
01:00:57.000 Like not even brush it kind of like sucked on the leg or whatever.
01:01:01.000 And like that freaked me out.
01:01:02.000 And I've been like, like to this day, I cannot hold my legs still if I am in a body of water
01:01:08.000 I never want to repeat that again.
01:01:10.000 It's amazing.
01:01:10.000 That was 25 years ago.
01:01:11.000 I'm going to tell you about a dream I had last week and it was a real dream.
01:01:14.000 But it's amazing how much film influences our fears.
01:01:17.000 So I was in Maine last summer and I was so freaked out even though it's like so unlikely because a freaking Stephen King.
01:01:22.000 Pardon me.
01:01:23.000 who should, um, near banger area.
01:01:25.000 Extra that speaking of terrible boomer, Stephen King is like the worst
01:01:29.000 boomer in the world.
01:01:30.000 He should be shot to Neptune.
01:01:31.000 Extra that, that, that, that too.
01:01:33.000 No, I'm not kidding.
01:01:34.000 He's already, that's already 2025 is that Steven King gets shot up.
01:01:41.000 Steven, we're putting you on Voyager 3.
01:01:43.000 He's a Mainer. That's what I'm saying.
01:01:44.000 He has this weird, creepy home in Maine.
01:01:46.000 In Banger, Maine.
01:01:48.000 So anyway...
01:01:49.000 I've been to his house.
01:01:50.000 I put a copy of The Art of the Deal in his mailbox.
01:01:53.000 It's amazing.
01:01:55.000 Oh, I love that.
01:01:56.000 I'm going to send him right when we're in Lucien.
01:01:57.000 There's this kind of constant recurring theme.
01:02:00.000 Yeah.
01:02:00.000 No.
01:02:00.000 No.
01:02:00.000 And it's like how film impacts you.
01:02:02.000 If you're in the Northeast near the woods, you think an axe murder is going to come to you.
01:02:06.000 Yeah. Right. I mean, and you see it actually makes you.
01:02:09.000 So there's something you agree with.
01:02:10.000 There's something about the Northeast.
01:02:12.000 There's something about the North.
01:02:13.000 No, it's because you've been propagandized.
01:02:17.000 I don't believe it. No, no, no.
01:02:18.000 Because I've been going to Maine since I was two years old.
01:02:21.000 And I've always felt that it feels weird up there.
01:02:24.000 I've always felt like a lot of things.
01:02:26.000 So do you know that actually at the end in the inlet in Mount Desert Desert Island, right there at Acadia National Park, that that was one of the places of the largest human sacrifices recorded in indigenous people in like Native American history?
01:02:40.000 Well, there you go.
01:02:41.000 And and look, this is what Stephen King was writing about.
01:02:44.000 This is what Pet Cemetery is about.
01:02:45.000 This is what H.P.
01:02:46.000 Lovecraft, by the way.
01:02:48.000 H.P.
01:02:48.000 Lovecraft had a ton of ties into the Eldritch Horrors.
01:02:52.000 This is all the shadow over Innsmouth and all these different things.
01:02:57.000 Totally.
01:02:57.000 There's there's some weird dark energy over there that I'm telling you.
01:03:01.000 But let me let me finish my dream.
01:03:03.000 So anyway, I just want to put that.
01:03:04.000 I get what you're saying, but I am also saying separately there.
01:03:07.000 So so another one is that if you're driving just how I once landed in Fayetteville Airport super late at night and like when you land in Fayetteville, Arkansas, there's nothing.
01:03:17.000 And you start driving through these, and literally, Mikey, Dan, and I were like, an axe murderer's gonna come out with a chainsaw and kill us.
01:03:23.000 I've had that thought.
01:03:23.000 Like, I've had the irrational thought.
01:03:25.000 It's related to the fear of the dark thing.
01:03:27.000 Yes.
01:03:28.000 And this is also the horror movie thing.
01:03:29.000 Like, the recurring thought in my head is... That's what I'm saying, is that the horror movie propagandized us to believe that rural America has a bunch of guys with chainsaws waiting to kill us.
01:03:35.000 Or just, I'll be in my apartment, and I need to keep the lights on, or I need to go to that.
01:03:39.000 I need to keep the lights on or I know like I'll turn the lights off and I'll turn around and like Mike Myers the yes with the mask on will be there and this is the power of film by the way that's why a lot of the open water okay so let me tell you I have a response to that I don't want to forget this hold on Jack my dream it's very simple I woke up at 3 a.m.
01:03:55.000 very upset I kid you not Tyler in the dream in the dream we were sitting here at this doing the show And we didn't chase enough ballots and Biden won Arizona.
01:04:05.000 I kid you not.
01:04:06.000 I kid you not.
01:04:08.000 I swear on a stack of Bibles, I woke up and I was pacing around and I was like, I can't sleep.
01:04:16.000 And I did not go back to sleep for two hours.
01:04:19.000 Because it was so vivid and I was so angry.
01:04:22.000 And I was so angry.
01:04:23.000 I was like, we could have done more.
01:04:25.000 We could have registered more voters.
01:04:28.000 No!
01:04:29.000 And I woke up and I was like, the children are like, daddy, what's the matter?
01:04:33.000 All the time.
01:04:34.000 So that those are my dreams.
01:04:35.000 I wake up thinking something happened.
01:04:38.000 I had heart palpitations.
01:04:39.000 I was like, I worried about, and it's, it's a totally different, it's a totally, it's like an alternate reality.
01:04:43.000 And I literally was as vivid it could be.
01:04:45.000 It's like, and they were like, now all of Arizona's 11 electoral votes called for Biden.
01:04:50.000 So Stephen King has written all this, these several cringe stories about like evil right wing political figures.
01:04:56.000 I wonder if we could get him to write a horror story about us, about like about evil Charlie Kirk or whatever, like where you're a demon.
01:05:02.000 I think that'd be fun if we, if he did that.
01:05:04.000 Let me, let me, you know, it's, it's flattering.
01:05:07.000 Let me, let me throw my response to this, this whole we've been, we've been propagandized for movies because I've always said this going back to the original John Carpenter in what was that 79 I think it came out the first Michael Myers movie of Halloween that the only time they ever actually show the Midwest in Hollywood movies is in horror every single literally all of strange
01:05:29.000 All of straight, no, that's Chicago.
01:05:30.000 Well, it's still like a more urban area.
01:05:32.000 Chicago is the Midwest.
01:05:33.000 It's the heart of the Midwest, Jack, but please continue.
01:05:36.000 No, no, no, no, no.
01:05:36.000 I'm talking about like, I'm talking about like the, the more, more rural Midwest.
01:05:42.000 It's not necessarily Halloween.
01:05:43.000 Let him finish.
01:05:44.000 So, so I've never, I've never had an issue going to the Midwest, even though I've seen every single one of those movies and I've seen all of those series.
01:05:54.000 I don't have any prejudice going to Midwest thinking like, oh, yeah, this is where it happens.
01:05:58.000 Well, you know why, Jack?
01:06:00.000 In Halloween, Halloween, of course, takes place in Ohio or something, but they filmed it in Pasadena, California, and then they just had bags of leaves and they would dump them out and they would have to gather back up and dump them out every time they had to shoot a new scene because, of course, they didn't What Halloween are they on right now?
01:06:18.000 They're like 14 or 15.
01:06:20.000 So they well, they made a bunch and then they rebooted it with movies made by Rob Zombie.
01:06:24.000 And then they rebooted it again.
01:06:25.000 And I think they just finished a trilogy of the third reboot of Halloween.
01:06:29.000 So it's it's it's a third.
01:06:31.000 It's a it's it's kind of hard to explain because it's not even necessarily a reboot.
01:06:35.000 It's like they brought back Jamie Lee Curtis.
01:06:37.000 Yes.
01:06:37.000 They brought back like Jamie Lee Curtis.
01:06:40.000 And they've ignored a bunch of the sort of filler ones.
01:06:43.000 And the last couple, the last one's horrible.
01:06:45.000 It's just absolutely god-awful.
01:06:47.000 One of the ones, I think the first one where they brought her back was pretty good, but this last one was god-awful.
01:06:51.000 And so these are just sort of follow-ons from the original, if that makes sense.
01:06:56.000 So any other fears, guys?
01:06:57.000 I think it's amazing how many of our fears are actually placed upon us by cultural media.
01:07:03.000 What's the chat been saying?
01:07:04.000 I haven't looked at the chat.
01:07:08.000 The chat?
01:07:08.000 What are they afraid of?
01:07:09.000 A lot of people are just posting about being in Maine or Massachusetts.
01:07:14.000 Maine is objectively one of the most beautiful places, however... Snakes are the worst, says Keith Saunders, 25.
01:07:21.000 Yes, snakes are evil.
01:07:22.000 The Bible is clear on this.
01:07:25.000 I suppose they probably queued this up, so I'm just going to stare directly at you, Charlie, in case they're doing it.
01:07:30.000 What?
01:07:30.000 I don't like giant spiders.
01:07:32.000 Like, normal spiders are okay.
01:07:35.000 Yeah, like tarantulas?
01:07:36.000 Yeah, even like, if I'm playing like a video game, like one the size of like a mountain lion will really, like... But I think if you like them...
01:07:44.000 Then you got serious problems.
01:07:46.000 What are we looking at here?
01:07:47.000 Spiders.
01:07:47.000 Not looking.
01:07:48.000 I'm not looking.
01:07:48.000 Not gonna turn my eyes.
01:07:49.000 See, that doesn't bother me that much.
01:07:51.000 Did you watch Arachnophobia?
01:07:53.000 Nope.
01:07:54.000 Not going to.
01:07:54.000 That doesn't bother me that much.
01:07:56.000 No, I agree.
01:07:58.000 I have a theory as to why.
01:08:01.000 I know, I'm super afraid of clowns, and I think they're so creepy.
01:08:04.000 No, no, no, I have a whole theory as to this.
01:08:06.000 Wait, how did you not lead off with that?
01:08:07.000 No, because it's not like, it's not, I can get through it, but it's on the list, okay?
01:08:12.000 Um, it's on the list.
01:08:14.000 Let me tell you why clowns are, I have a whole theory on this.
01:08:16.000 It's the forced happiness.
01:08:18.000 It's because it's so overly dramatic, and you could tell that it's just a shtick.
01:08:23.000 There's something that, like, bothers my soul.
01:08:25.000 So are you scared of sad clowns?
01:08:28.000 I don't like clowns in general.
01:08:30.000 And by the way, there's, like, there's a term for this, actually, clown fear.
01:08:33.000 Speaking of, speaking of... No, it's pretty widespread.
01:08:35.000 It's not an uncommon thing to not be bothered by clowns.
01:08:40.000 Colophobia.
01:08:41.000 Speaking of which, when's the last time any of you saw Ronald McDonald?
01:08:46.000 Uh, didn't they remove them?
01:08:47.000 So, do you remember there was that meme a few years ago, like this must have been a little bit before Trump or around that time, 16, 17?
01:08:54.000 There was like this spate of people supposedly seeing like creepy clowns in the woods and it was like a meme that allegedly people were just dressing up as scary clowns and then people were worried someone was gonna get like beat up or shot over this.
01:09:07.000 And when that was the McDonald's just was they temporarily removed Ronald McDonald because like, oh, this is going on.
01:09:14.000 But in reality, they sent him to a farm in upstate New York, you know, to play with the other animals.
01:09:18.000 And he's never been seen since.
01:09:20.000 Other fears.
01:09:22.000 Oh, but my ultimate fear, ultimate fear.
01:09:25.000 I got no.
01:09:26.000 Now this is the one I forgot being there.
01:09:27.000 Someone in the chat said the WNBA being buried alive.
01:09:31.000 Yeah, that is actually one of them.
01:09:33.000 I think it's number one.
01:09:33.000 I think about that.
01:09:35.000 I would rather be burned alive.
01:09:37.000 I would rather be drowned alive than buried alive.
01:09:41.000 Okay, I definitely would be drowning would be the scariest of meme deaths to me.
01:09:45.000 I don't like the idea I think in my head I know that being buried alive is the absolute worst because you don't know the moment that you're not going to be able to have consciousness.
01:09:54.000 I guess the difference for me with being buried alive is I kind of know intuitively you just sort of, I think, kind of fall asleep basically.
01:10:01.000 Whereas with drowning... No, no, it's suffocation.
01:10:04.000 Being buried alive is suffocation.
01:10:05.000 Okay, yeah. Or like carbon monoxide poisoning from your...
01:10:09.000 Yes.
01:10:10.000 I can't remember how it is.
01:10:10.000 From yourself, yeah.
01:10:11.000 I don't know, for me, drowning. I hate the idea of drowning where like you kind of go insane while
01:10:16.000 drowning, like you freak out and like you start inhaling water because you're trying so desperately
01:10:21.000 to breathe and stuff. It's not a fun experience.
01:10:25.000 The surprisingly pleasant way to go is hypothermia, which like creeps some people out.
01:10:31.000 You get warm and numb.
01:10:32.000 Yeah, you just kind of go numb and fall.
01:10:33.000 That is one where you definitely fall asleep.
01:10:35.000 But yeah, I don't know.
01:10:38.000 Bury alive has never bothered me quite as much.
01:10:40.000 Maybe the claustrophobia would be bad, but I've never buried myself alive, so I can't say.
01:10:45.000 Have you guys noticed that that Trump has been talking like a lot lately about ways to die?
01:10:51.000 And he's been talking about this on and at the rallies.
01:10:54.000 He talked about it a little bit in Detroit, even.
01:10:56.000 So, no, remember that whole thing about the electric cars and the sharks when he talks about this, where he's like, he's like, oh, well, if I'm in a Tesla and it's flooding and the battery is going to electrocute me that, you know, but then I see a big shark coming, I think, which do I want to take my chances with the electrocution or the shark?
01:11:16.000 And he goes, I'm going electrocution.
01:11:19.000 I'd much rather have that than the shark.
01:11:21.000 You're right.
01:11:21.000 It's like he's thinking about this.
01:11:23.000 He's totally thinking about this.
01:11:25.000 We got to get rather be electrocuted.
01:11:27.000 I want him on thought crime.
01:11:29.000 I've been saying this behind the scenes for a long look.
01:11:31.000 Our one year is coming up.
01:11:33.000 Our one year is coming up.
01:11:35.000 It's he was just on all in today.
01:11:37.000 We've missed a couple of weeks.
01:11:40.000 So you're in there.
01:11:41.000 So it's probably been about a year.
01:11:44.000 Final topic.
01:11:45.000 We have another partner to say here.
01:11:48.000 No, we have, uh, no, I think those are our two.
01:11:51.000 Uh, final thoughts or topic here really quickly?
01:11:53.000 Um, do we want to talk about the, we could talk about the Ten Commandments, or since you're afraid of rats, we could talk about rat boys.
01:11:59.000 Yes, no, let's, let's close with rat boys.
01:12:00.000 Okay, all right.
01:12:01.000 No, by the way, that, that kid from Dune is a rat boy.
01:12:04.000 Yes, he is one of the rat boys.
01:12:06.000 Total rat boy.
01:12:07.000 And as soon as I saw a picture of him, I said, I bet women will find him attractive.
01:12:12.000 No, I knew it.
01:12:13.000 I mean, obviously, I have an unblemished record of heterosexuality, but as soon as I saw him, I said, I bet women will find him to be appealing.
01:12:23.000 No muscle mass, no aggression, basically a femboy.
01:12:27.000 Yeah, so we were interrogating the girls about this just a little bit ago, before they were drafted and sent to Syria.
01:12:35.000 We wished them the best.
01:12:37.000 Uh, and I guess they're calling it... That's big.
01:12:39.000 Instead of White Boy Summer, it's Rat Boy Summer.
01:12:43.000 And it is these... You can see them on screen.
01:12:45.000 It's basically rat-faced men.
01:12:47.000 They're, like, short.
01:12:49.000 They have... No muscle mass.
01:12:51.000 No muscle mass.
01:12:52.000 They have, uh, kind of twinkish bodies.
01:12:55.000 They have sort of elongated faces.
01:12:57.000 I feel like they've always been in vogue, though, in Hollywood.
01:13:02.000 Not quite.
01:13:02.000 You do have shorter guys, but it's like Tom Cruise.
01:13:04.000 Like, you don't necessarily realize Tom Cruise is a tall guy.
01:13:06.000 I wouldn't say that he's a rat boy.
01:13:07.000 He's not.
01:13:08.000 That's what I'm saying.
01:13:08.000 He's not.
01:13:09.000 But yeah, so now we have this Timothy Chalamet, however you say it.
01:13:12.000 He's the guy from Dune.
01:13:14.000 But he's like 5'8", or 5'10", I think.
01:13:17.000 But that's... 5'10", officially, probably means 5'7", 5'8", for real.
01:13:21.000 And I guess they're pushing these as super duper hot dream boys.
01:13:26.000 Now, according to Daisy and Emma, before they were drafted, they said there's a level of irony to this, like they're not conventionally hot, and so therefore they're hot.
01:13:38.000 But I mean, we have come a long way from just, you know, let's just put Brad Pitt out there and have him be a sex symbol.
01:13:46.000 I can't comment most... all I can say is it doesn't... it surprises me nothing.
01:13:53.000 Weakness is now desirable.
01:13:54.000 Strength is a threat.
01:13:56.000 It is funny to me that they have this Timothee Chalamet guy as...
01:14:00.000 Like, the product of a millennia-long breeding program to basically create the perfect male as the plot of the Dune movies.
01:14:07.000 Although, I think he does actually reflect kind of how Paul is supposed to be in the books.
01:14:11.000 But, I don't know.
01:14:13.000 It is just funny to imagine that, you know, this 5'10 Frenchman is the peak of all human genetic engineering and eugenics for 5,000 years.
01:14:22.000 We're far from eugenics.
01:14:27.000 In closing, I don't have anything more about Rat Boys.
01:14:29.000 Nothing more about Rat Boys.
01:14:31.000 Jack, you want to read your new novel?
01:14:35.000 The night Arizona spoke, in the chilly pre-dawn hours of November 4th, the small town of Desert Springs, Arizona, lay cloaked in a silence that seemed to hum with tension.
01:14:45.000 Across the nation, airwaves crackled with the news and updates.
01:14:49.000 Our anticipation mounting with each passing minute.
01:14:52.000 It was election night and the race was tighter than a noose around the neck of hope.
01:14:57.000 Charlie Kirk, a fervent supporter and key strategist for President Trump, had pinned his dreams on this election.
01:15:04.000 But little did he know something dark and inexplicable was about to unfold.
01:15:08.000 Mr. Kirk!
01:15:09.000 A young age called, his voice trembling slightly.
01:15:12.000 We're getting some unusual reports from Desert Springs.
01:15:16.000 Charlie's eyes narrowed.
01:15:17.000 Unusual?
01:15:18.000 How so?
01:15:19.000 The aide hesitated, glancing at other staffers who are now all around.
01:15:23.000 Strange things are happening with the voting machines.
01:15:25.000 They're malfunctioning.
01:15:27.000 People are saying they're seeing things.
01:15:29.000 Seeing things?
01:15:30.000 Charlie repeated, a skeptical eyebrow arched.
01:15:32.000 What kind of things?
01:15:33.000 Faces!
01:15:34.000 The aide said, his voice barely a whisper.
01:15:37.000 Faces of the dead!
01:15:40.000 How long did it take ChadCPT to do that?
01:15:43.000 Uh, three seconds.
01:15:44.000 Oh, there's like so much more to this, by the way.
01:15:48.000 If you guys want to hear the rest of it, go to charliekirk.com.
01:15:51.000 Daisy did send me a message.
01:15:52.000 She wanted to clarify that she and Emma do think rat boys are super hot, and they're super desirable, and they're pushing back on you, Charlie.
01:16:01.000 They think that they are, like, the picture of masculinity today.
01:16:06.000 They can meet one in Damascus.
01:16:07.000 Yeah.
01:16:08.000 Yeah, they will.
01:16:09.000 There's plenty of rat boys in the Middle East.
01:16:11.000 Okay, I'm waiting for her to send me an angry message.
01:16:13.000 Okay, she's going to flip out.
01:16:14.000 No, I'm just messing with them.
01:16:16.000 But they did not actually do that.
01:16:19.000 Oh no, now the angry messages are coming in.
01:16:21.000 Oh no!
01:16:22.000 They're going to shoot me with their M4!
01:16:25.000 That's right, Blake.
01:16:26.000 Look what you've opened.
01:16:27.000 And they know how to use it.
01:16:28.000 Oh crap.
01:16:30.000 Oh no.
01:16:30.000 Alright, everybody.
01:16:31.000 That was a wonderful episode.
01:16:33.000 Stay based, avoid clowns, spiders, and defeat in November.
01:16:40.000 Hear that, Tyler?
01:16:42.000 Wonderwall.
01:16:42.000 Tyler, it's coming.
01:16:44.000 It's the point.
01:16:45.000 And with that, I gotta go to Walmart.
01:16:51.000 See you later.
01:16:54.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
01:16:56.000 Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.
01:16:58.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.