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00:01:22.000 Okay everybody, this is Thought Crime Thursday.

00:01:24.000 We are taking the big boy press conference.

00:01:26.000 With us is Blake, Andrew, and Jack.

00:01:29.000 Andrew, what is your initial reaction to Joe Biden's marathon press conference?

00:01:35.000 Shaky, feeble, but not disastrous.

00:01:37.000 Probably the best possible outcome for us.

00:01:40.000 Jack, what do you think?

00:01:41.000 I think it started out Bad, but he actually got a little bit more stable as it went on.

00:01:48.000 He got his feet under him.

00:01:49.000 I think obviously he wasn't prepared going into it, but as we got to this point it seems like he's actually starting to get there.

00:01:56.000 That being said, I don't see anything in this that's really gonna stop some of the things that his own party's been saying about him.

00:02:04.000 Yeah, the predicted odds have just flipped, by the way.

00:02:07.000 Joe Biden is now the frontrunner to be the Democrat nominee.

00:02:09.000 Again, he's back.

00:02:10.000 He's back on top.

00:02:11.000 It's up and down.

00:02:12.000 He was able to speak for 10 minutes straight.

00:02:14.000 It swerves 20 points every day.

00:02:16.000 But the amplification—I mean, he called Zelensky Putin.

00:02:19.000 He called his vice president, Vice President Trump.

00:02:23.000 Every error is now amplified.

00:02:25.000 It is.

00:02:25.000 100x.

00:02:25.000 And it's so funny because, like, you can think of a defensible thing.

00:02:29.000 Like, you or I could make a mistake, like, calling it President Putin of Ukraine.

00:02:32.000 Of course.

00:02:33.000 Because you mix those strings of thought.

00:02:34.000 It's a pattern, though.

00:02:34.000 But it's a pattern, and he has no give on this.

00:02:38.000 But, as we said, he did muddle through the press conference.

00:02:41.000 He was able to answer the questions, which might have been canned for all we know.

00:02:45.000 That was a leak that they had today, that they have all these faked questions for him.

00:02:49.000 Yes.

00:02:49.000 So that is, I guess speaking selfishly, the perfect thing for us, which is we want this to go on whether they dump him or not.

00:02:56.000 You want it to go on as long as it possibly can.

00:02:59.000 Yes.

00:02:59.000 You want it to really rip the party apart.

00:03:01.000 You want whoever loses to be extremely bitter about it.

00:03:04.000 It's ripping the party apart.

00:03:05.000 Yes.

00:03:05.000 Because the coup is not done.

00:03:07.000 It's not!

00:03:08.000 This is not going to quell the rebellion.

00:03:10.000 Joe Biden's going to go off stage and say, didn't I do great?

00:03:12.000 And the Democrats are going to say, our internals have you down 10 in Arizona.

00:03:16.000 This is perfect because he will think I did fine.

00:03:18.000 I answered the questions.

00:03:19.000 I flubbed one name here and there.

00:03:22.000 Who cares?

00:03:23.000 His family will say the same thing.

00:03:25.000 But no one who thinks Biden needs to go will think, oh, this is great.

00:03:29.000 If we have a bunch of these, we'll win the election.

00:03:32.000 And nobody who thinks Biden is fine thinks it's fair.

00:03:35.000 By the way, can we just... the questions that were asked were so unbelievably light.

00:03:40.000 How about this?

00:03:41.000 Mr. President, credible reports say that you need a diagram to be able to take the stage.

00:03:45.000 Is that true?

00:03:46.000 How about that as a question?

00:03:47.000 Yeah!

00:03:48.000 Right?

00:03:48.000 I mean... Mr. President, today there was a report that you need to get the questions in advance when you talk with your own cabinet ministers.

00:03:56.000 Yes, your cabinet secretaries.

00:03:58.000 Yeah.

00:03:59.000 Like, hello?

00:04:00.000 I will say, I mean, I think that a lot of the questions are dealing with the elephant in the room, right?

00:04:08.000 Because a lot of people were like, is the media going to continue covering for him?

00:04:11.000 I think it's very simple.

00:04:12.000 The media realizes that, or at least they believe, that there will be a better chance for a Democrat in the White House if they get Joe Biden out.

00:04:19.000 So they're incentivized now to get him out.

00:04:21.000 Also, CYA, they get to play the victim like they too were lied to, now they're upset.

00:04:26.000 I don't believe any of that stuff.

00:04:27.000 I think they were all sort of in on it, and then when they realized they couldn't cover it up anymore, now they have to act shocked, right?

00:04:33.000 But the questions now are about journalists saying, ooh, I got the one question in on him that he couldn't answer, that he looked really bad on.

00:04:41.000 So I think there's an incentive to ask tough questions, and I think they're doing it.

00:04:46.000 Every single reporter thus far in the press has been asking, Yeah, and again, the flubs are what's gonna go viral, and they should go viral, because it's now a pattern of this.

00:05:00.000 And so, what did I say when I walked in?

00:05:02.000 I said, I think Biden stays.

00:05:04.000 Now do you agree with me?

00:05:05.000 After 15 minutes of him meandering about China incoherently?

00:05:08.000 I think ultimately he will go.

00:05:10.000 I don't know what the timeline for it will be.

00:05:12.000 I've gone back and forth.

00:05:14.000 Right after the debate, I think I pegged about 40% chance he'd leave, which was pretty high.

00:05:19.000 And it's swerved up and down.

00:05:21.000 Every day it'll be, one day I'll feel, this is it, the cascade has hit, he'll be done by tomorrow.

00:05:27.000 And then Biden will hit back and say, I'm not leaving, I don't know how much more clear I can be.

00:05:32.000 And I'll think, oh, I guess he survived.

00:05:34.000 I want everyone to understand how this is an ideal situation for us.

00:05:38.000 So Joe Biden might get a slight internal Democrat bump out of this.

00:05:41.000 Survive.

00:05:42.000 And what happens Monday, guys?

00:05:44.000 The most sustained anti-Biden programming It's like he now has to withstand four days of Republican

00:05:51.000 convention, of scripted programming, of this is why this guy is the worst president in history.

00:05:56.000 Your border is open, 10 million foreigners, look at all the wars, you can't afford anything.

00:06:00.000 And so he's now going to have...

00:06:02.000 Understand, there has been no campaign in opposition to him for like two weeks.

00:06:08.000 It's been Trump doing an event and all this.

00:06:10.000 And I think, Jack, I think Trump has been handling this correctly.

00:06:13.000 Allow the bad headlines, allow it to occur, show the acrimony in the Democrat Party.

00:06:19.000 The clips alone we are getting of Democrats attacking Biden are delicious.

00:06:24.000 Well, I want people to consider something else today, too, because go and turn and take a look at your calendar or take a look at your phone.

00:06:32.000 What day is today?

00:06:33.000 Today is July 11th.

00:06:36.000 So in, you know, Earth Prime or whatever, in the first universe, this today was supposed to be the day that Wan Mershan sent to be convicted, he might be sentenced to jail, house

00:06:50.000 arrest, who knows, he was supposed to be arrested, handcuffed, this is what they wanted, I'm

00:06:54.000 saying.

00:06:55.000 And instead, they have to do a press conference to prove that their candidate, the sitting

00:07:00.000 president, is still lucid enough to actually stay in the race.

00:07:06.000 It's absolutely insane to think that it's gone such a 180.

00:07:12.000 I mean, it's miraculous.

00:07:14.000 It's just miraculous.

00:07:15.000 And by the way, just so everyone understands, yesterday a report came out where New York Democrats say we are now a battleground state.

00:07:22.000 There are reports that the map is expanding for Biden and the bottom is falling out.

00:07:27.000 And I don't think, I think people don't quite grasp, every one of these major Democrats on camera saying Biden can't win, Biden can't win, Biden is not.

00:07:36.000 There is now a $60 million ad buy that will begin right during the Olympics, hammering Biden, funded by Miriam Adelson.

00:07:44.000 There has been no air coverage whatsoever.

00:07:47.000 I don't even know if you'd ever need a single Republican name.

00:07:50.000 You should just put out every single thing of Biden flubs, Democrats trashing Biden.

00:07:57.000 You almost barely need to have anyone run for the Republican race.

00:08:00.000 Well, yeah, I mean, the issue that I think is in front of us, Andrew, is that this is like the best possible outcome for us.

00:08:09.000 Biden's numbers are not going to recover because of one press conference, right?

00:08:13.000 I mean, they might take up a little bit within the internal Democrats, but he is just one more flub, one more thing away from Yeah, I mean, people also need to remember the timeline here.

00:08:26.000 We have been watching, holding fire, hold, it's like that Braveheart scene, hold, hold,

00:08:31.000 we haven't done anything Andrew.

00:08:33.000 But next week that changes.

00:08:34.000 Yeah, I mean, people also need to remember the timeline here.

00:08:38.000 So to your point earlier, Charlie, it's like the best possible outcome is that he does

00:08:46.000 just enough to hold on.

00:08:48.000 And from what I can tell, that's kind of what it appears to be.

00:08:53.000 Super shaky.

00:08:54.000 Everybody's holding their breath the whole time.

00:08:57.000 But it looks like he's going to get through it.

00:08:58.000 We'll see.

00:08:59.000 He's still on stage.

00:09:00.000 Here's what I will say, though.

00:09:01.000 Timeline.

00:09:02.000 It's July 11th.

00:09:04.000 We have the RNC starting essentially on Sunday, but really on Monday, taking us to July 19th.

00:09:12.000 They have a virtual roll call on July 21st, and that's actually where the delegates have to pledge their support in keeping with Ohio, which I believe had an August 17th deadline.

00:09:23.000 The DNC was not until August 17th or 19th.

00:09:27.000 So they've got, Joe Biden has to barely white knuckle this thing, cling on to power and really really support within the the the dnc delegates

00:09:37.000 to do these got ten days he got ten days now i'm season is suck up a lot of that

00:09:42.000 attention so if you can get to the lester holt interview which it was going to be a monday night

00:09:47.000 i i i don't see how they have it anytime to do what they need to do they're gonna remove

00:09:52.000 uh... by the way we we cut out uh... people are saying that uh... joe uh... just started glitching more in the last

00:09:57.000 five minutes He started combusting a little bit.

00:10:00.000 But I'm going to read this text to you.

00:10:03.000 Yeah, I know, the drugs are wearing off, that he's starting to yell, he's doing all sorts of stuff.

00:10:07.000 I'm going to read this text from a top-level reporter.

00:10:08.000 Do you, Blake?

00:10:09.000 The avalanche will occur to remove Biden if and when Biden either passes on a major opportunity

00:10:14.000 to course correct or flubs it. I don't quite understand what that means. Do you, Blake?

00:10:17.000 What's that again?

00:10:18.000 Passes on a major opportunity to course correct or flubs it.

00:10:23.000 I think maybe they're saying it was an opportunity to either tank completely or completely fix it, and instead it just continued the same thing.

00:10:33.000 Like literally right now, the presser that should have been gone an hour ago, I'm talking to tons of Democrats.

00:10:37.000 Even the ones who say he should go would reverse field if he had showed capacity.

00:10:41.000 On the other hand, if he doesn't show capacity, then it's curtains for him.

00:10:45.000 Oh, sorry.

00:10:45.000 I misunderstood.

00:10:46.000 They're saying if Biden either flubs up badly or if he just refuses to even go out on a chance to do it.

00:10:52.000 If he canceled this press conference, for example, that would show he can't do it anymore.

00:10:56.000 Knowing Democrats like I do, the reporter writes, they're looking for a kill shot in either direction.

00:11:00.000 What he's doing right now would be okay for them pre-debate, but a disaster right now.

00:11:05.000 It's bad.

00:11:06.000 I think a great one.

00:11:08.000 Ezra Klein is very much like a normie Dem.

00:11:10.000 Very much speaks for establishment.

00:11:11.000 Very insufferable.

00:11:12.000 He used to be more radical, actually.

00:11:14.000 Well, keep in mind that Dems have just gone so insane that I think that's a big part of it.

00:11:18.000 But he's also very honest about the Democrat Party.

00:11:23.000 He's honest about the Democrat Party, I would say.

00:11:25.000 I think he's kind of lizard-like in a lot of ways.

00:11:29.000 I enjoy this tweet from him because it goes with what I want.

00:11:32.000 He says, what I'm hearing from, he said this at 1 10 p.m.

00:11:35.000 Eastern today.

00:11:37.000 What I'm hearing from congressional Democrats about Biden is this.

00:11:40.000 He has done nothing to allay their fears, but his defiance and his fury has been enough to stay their hand.

00:11:47.000 This is arguably the worst of all worlds.

00:11:51.000 Democrats realize they are drifting towards a grim march to defeat, led by a candidate they have no faith in.

00:11:57.000 But they have no plan to do anything about it.

00:12:00.000 Congressional Democrats aren't at the point where they're going to abandon Biden en masse, nor are they at the point where their confidence in him is restored.

00:12:08.000 They need a process that will get him to one side or the other end fast.

00:12:14.000 So Jack, what are you seeing and hearing here as you're trying to listen in as Joe Biden continues?

00:12:18.000 I'm being told that he's starting to combust a little bit, losing his stature.

00:12:23.000 What do you think, Jack?

00:12:26.000 Jack is listening to something.

00:12:27.000 Andrew?

00:12:28.000 No, give me one sec, because I had the audio up.

00:12:31.000 Yeah, so he's getting cranky now.

00:12:33.000 You can tell that the drugs are wearing off.

00:12:35.000 So he's hitting, we're just at the one hour mark, by the way.

00:12:38.000 He was the one who delayed this thing two hours beyond where he was going to be started.

00:12:43.000 It was originally supposed to be at 5.30.

00:12:45.000 Then they said they were scheduling it back to 6.30.

00:12:47.000 Goes over, has that press conference where he's, you know, recalls Zelensky, President Putin.

00:12:52.000 And I was just listening back here, I'm pausing it real quick.

00:12:55.000 But yeah, he's starting to get cranky, he's starting to get really upset.

00:12:59.000 You can tell he just physically doesn't seem like he wants to be there.

00:13:02.000 And if you're looking for good optics to come out of this, you're not really getting that strong, confident,

00:13:09.000 relaxed feeling from him.

00:13:11.000 Because we can all remember, by the way, those press conferences that Trump used to hold

00:13:17.000 when he was president, and he would just sit there for, and sometimes they'd be completely impromptu,

00:13:21.000 and he would just come down to the Brady Press Room, or be on the South Lawn of the White House,

00:13:26.000 or in front of the West Wing, and he'd start going.

00:13:28.000 In fact, I would even say that the...

00:13:31.000 That this press conference, if you take it as a whole, may have actually been detrimental to Biden other than the fact that he had to do it.

00:13:39.000 He just had to do this.

00:13:40.000 Wait, did Biden release his delegates?

00:13:42.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:13:42.000 That just happened a minute ago, supposedly.

00:13:44.000 That's what I'm saying is that he was combusting and he released his delegates.

00:13:48.000 I just see that.

00:13:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:49.000 Apparently they said he's free to vote for whoever they want.

00:13:52.000 And he says they won't vote for someone other than him, but he says they're free to do it.

00:13:55.000 Oh boy.

00:13:56.000 Is that an official releasing of delegates?

00:13:58.000 I don't know.

00:14:01.000 We're gonna get this in as soon as we can.

00:14:04.000 Politico had this morning that Biden campaign was actually calling around to his delegates,

00:14:09.000 that's probably what they were asking about, to ensure whether or not those delegates

00:14:13.000 were planning to stay committed, because I think there's been this story floating around

00:14:18.000 that some of the Biden delegates have been starting a group chat, dozens, by the way,

00:14:21.000 dozens of dozens, according to Politico, have started a group chat saying that they're gonna push

00:14:26.000 for the opening of the rules at the DNC to allow for an open floor vote at the convention.

00:14:33.000 And Biden basically, you know, I'm sure he's saying that, you know, he's trying to say it and sound confident, but it's not a conversation we're going to be having right now.

00:14:43.000 We're getting the clip, so just stand by and we can all watch it in just a second.

00:14:48.000 But I think it sounds like typical Joe Biden bluster, right?

00:14:52.000 Like, I'll challenge you to a push-up contest or a golf match.

00:14:56.000 It's kind of one of those verbal flourishes of his, but that is a huge mistake if he just did that.

00:15:03.000 Because people will take him at his word.

00:15:05.000 But, I mean, it doesn't have to sound like a document or something to actually let that happen?

00:15:11.000 Like, I release you, here you go?

00:15:13.000 I truly don't know, because one thing that people are bringing up is Democrat rules literally say that they have to vote for their candidate unless, like, in all good conscience they cannot.

00:15:24.000 Like, there's totally a safety valve.

00:15:26.000 Is that right?

00:15:27.000 Yeah.

00:15:27.000 The real obstacle here is there's all these fantasy scenarios about getting the delegates to vote another way, but these delegates are all people picked to vote for Joe Biden by the Biden campaign.

00:15:38.000 Now, I'll bet a lot of them would be willing to defect regardless, but will over 50% of them be willing to defect?

00:15:46.000 I doubt it.

00:15:47.000 Or it'll be hard, especially if Biden is saying they can't.

00:15:50.000 And a lot, even if they are told you can vote for someone else, they might think they're not allowed to.

00:15:56.000 There's that line from Ezra about his fury is real, which is if you're a top Democrat, I think there is an element where you might as well just go all out against Biden because your big goal is just don't have this election be a disaster.

00:16:08.000 Yes.

00:16:09.000 But if you're a low-end Democrat, you actually do have something to lose if Biden does somehow survive this and then is like, everyone who came after me, you're done.

00:16:17.000 You have to wonder, with all the electeds and Pelosi, what data are they seeing that we aren't seeing?

00:16:23.000 Right?

00:16:23.000 I mean, because remember, Pelosi was awfully confident going into the 2022 midterms.

00:16:28.000 There will be no red waves.

00:16:29.000 She saw a lot of things in the data that we didn't see.

00:16:32.000 Now they're really hyperreactive.

00:16:35.000 Well, we had that leaked polling shortly after the debate that was Worse than all of the public polling we're seeing.

00:16:41.000 Yeah, that Puck News stuff that's saying Minnesota's super close, New Mexico, Virginia's in play, every major swing state is solidly Trump.

00:16:50.000 So that was really bad.

00:16:51.000 I wouldn't be surprised if high-end Democrats, maybe some of them, have more knowledge on Biden's health.

00:16:57.000 Maybe they're literally just been told, it's Parkinson's, this is going to get worse.

00:17:03.000 And so they know that Biden will almost certainly substantially decay by election day and there's like no hope that he'll stay in it.

00:17:13.000 Those are probably the big ones.

00:17:14.000 They might have some data and they might have... So this is it right here.

00:17:18.000 This is Joe Biden releasing his delegates.

00:17:21.000 This is the biggest news.

00:17:22.000 PlayCut 128.

00:17:23.000 If I may, your convention is coming up where your delegates are pledged to make you the official nominee.

00:17:29.000 If they have second thoughts, are they free to vote their conscience?

00:17:33.000 Obviously, they're free to do whatever they want, but I get overwhelming support.

00:17:38.000 Overwhelming support.

00:17:41.000 Well, I mean, so that's a question.

00:17:44.000 What do you mean they're free to do whatever they want?

00:17:47.000 You don't know!

00:17:48.000 That's going to be what's exciting about it.

00:17:50.000 Well, I don't think that's true anyway, if you're just following the rules of the DNC.

00:17:57.000 They are pledged delegates, which means they've been submitted by the Biden campaign as pledged to him.

00:18:05.000 Uh, if he's saying they're personally free to do whatever they want, you know, then you could be looking at something like the, uh, the, uh, the faithless elector strategy from 2016 rearing its ugly head saying that, well, even though someone's committed to be voting for someone that they need to pull back, like this is why we saw Trump's electoral college go from 306 to 304.

00:18:25.000 But I don't know.

00:18:27.000 I don't know if the DNC legally allows that unless there's a rule change.

00:18:32.000 Well, no, to Blake's credit, I mean, this is an important distinction with delegates, right?

00:18:36.000 When you vote in a primary, you're voting for delegates that have pledged To Joe Biden, right?

00:18:43.000 But there is a release valve.

00:18:45.000 So you're not actually, in one sense, you're not actually voting for Joe Biden.

00:18:48.000 You're voting for the delegates because you know those delegates and who they've pledged to.

00:18:53.000 But there usually is a release valve.

00:18:55.000 And I know that there was reports of group chats with the delegates seeing if they could change the rules and do it in secret so that basically they could vote for somebody else, toss the convention into chaos, but do it with no egg on their face and no So I want to read headlines here.

00:19:12.000 We got the whole war room here.

00:19:13.000 It's really helpful.

00:19:14.000 ABC News.

00:19:14.000 be able to worm their way out, which suggests that they do have a way out.

00:19:19.000 So I want to read headlines here.

00:19:21.000 We got the whole war room here.

00:19:22.000 It's really helpful.

00:19:23.000 ABC News, Biden holds first press conference in months as Democrats raise concern over

00:19:28.000 candidacy.

00:19:29.000 CBS says, Biden, quote, I'm not in this for my legacy.

00:19:33.000 I'm in this to complete the job I started.

00:19:36.000 Newsmax says Biden confuses Zelensky with Putin.

00:19:41.000 Biden refers to VP Harris as VP Trump.

00:19:44.000 Which he did.

00:19:45.000 Fox, Fox is Biden completes gaffe-filled press conference.

00:19:50.000 Okay, fair enough.

00:19:52.000 But all things being equal, is this enough to demand him to leave immediately, Blake?

00:19:57.000 I don't think so.

00:19:59.000 I don't think it will flip anyone who wasn't already, you know, Biden's got to go.

00:20:04.000 Now, what we don't know for sure is, how numerous is that?

00:20:08.000 We talked a lot about Mark Halpern today.

00:20:10.000 He's been saying, every Democrat I've spoken with in private admits Biden has to go.

00:20:16.000 Now, he did another live stream today where he said, well, Biden's looking pretty firm.

00:20:21.000 They might not be able to get him out.

00:20:23.000 It goes back and forth every day.

00:20:24.000 The fluidity here is remarkable.

00:20:27.000 It's a degree of escalation where the Democrats keep bringing out more weapons.

00:20:31.000 OK, now we're going to get George Clooney to do an op-ed nuking you.

00:20:34.000 With Obama's approval.

00:20:35.000 Now we have lawmakers, more of them coming out.

00:20:38.000 There's reports that over the weekend it could be dozens of them will come out and say it.

00:20:41.000 And each escalation where Biden is supposed to take the hint of it's bad, you should gracefully step aside.

00:20:48.000 He's saying, nope, screw all you guys, flips them the bird, keeps going.

00:20:52.000 And there's sort of a thing where Ultimately, the only way you can force him out is you invoke the 25th Amendment on him, which would require Vice President Harris to flip, 50% of his cabinet to flip before he fires them.

00:21:06.000 And then if he still defies that, you need a majority vote of Congress.

00:21:10.000 And in theory, it's possible Republicans could say, well, the president says he's fine.

00:21:14.000 Why would we go against the president?

00:21:16.000 In truth, I doubt they would do that because I think it would undermine the GOP attacking Biden.

00:21:20.000 You could still be the candidate, but no longer be the president.

00:21:23.000 Yeah.

00:21:24.000 Oh, that's true!

00:21:25.000 He could still be the nominee!

00:21:26.000 He could still be the nominee and get 25th Amendment.

00:21:28.000 He's like, I'm still on the ballot, pal.

00:21:34.000 You know what they actually might start doing if they were, you know, you might, what if you actually start seeing a fusion of the two positions?

00:21:42.000 So you see, they realize they can't get rid of him without his voluntary agreement and his acquiescence.

00:21:47.000 He's not going to do that.

00:21:48.000 And so what if you start getting Democrats saying, well, vote for Biden, but Kamala is really going to be the one in

00:21:55.000 charge.

00:21:56.000 And they start kind of like, they start kind of like trying to merge the whole thing where,

00:22:00.000 you know, they bring back the co-presidency talk of the Clinton era and say, well, you're

00:22:04.000 really getting two presidents.

00:22:06.000 And he did certainly mention a couple of times, I think during this own press conference when

00:22:10.000 he was asked that Kamala is more than qualified to be president.

00:22:13.000 I do think that's going to be a headline out of this, by the way.

00:22:16.000 And, you know, you might start to see this weird kind of fusion where people say, well, you know, even if he has a bad day, Kamala can step in.

00:22:23.000 It'll be fine.

00:22:24.000 So let me let me read some headlines.

00:22:25.000 Immediately, ABC News is now pivoted.

00:22:27.000 Another Dem lawmaker urges Biden to withdraw from race following press conference.

00:22:32.000 I mean, it's like within minutes.

00:22:33.000 The media is not laying off of it.

00:22:35.000 The media is not backing down.

00:22:36.000 Democrats aren't backing down.

00:22:38.000 And I think one of the most interesting things here is, Nate Silver pointed this out, where he says, if you're a Democrat who has concluded that if Joe Biden is the candidate, we have a zero percent chance of winning or something so low as it doesn't make a difference.

00:22:54.000 Then you really have no incentive to not just go maximum scorched earth.

00:22:57.000 And a lot of the pro-Biden gamble is, you guys can't attack me too much because you'll make this unwinnable for us.

00:23:03.000 You'll make it so if I stick around, we cannot win.

00:23:05.000 Yes.

00:23:06.000 And they'll want to hold back on that.

00:23:08.000 And instead, if they've concluded it's really zero, they have incentive to just burn everything down as much as they can.

00:23:14.000 Jack, I want to go back to July 2016.

00:23:20.000 It might have been August.

00:23:21.000 The Republican convention in Cleveland.

00:23:23.000 I was there.

00:23:23.000 I think you were there.

00:23:24.000 I was there.

00:23:24.000 You were there.

00:23:25.000 Isn't that funny?

00:23:26.000 We were all there.

00:23:26.000 We didn't know each other.

00:23:27.000 Isn't that just amazing?

00:23:29.000 Jack, Trump had a lot of opposition throughout that summer, but it was nowhere near this, was it?

00:23:37.000 There was actual consolidation behind Trump at that convention with a couple defectors.

00:23:42.000 This is the greatest inner party fighting leading into conventions we've ever seen.

00:23:48.000 I mean, it's certainly the biggest, I think, since the Johnson era, since 1968 era, since the 60s, for sure.

00:23:55.000 And it's also on the Democrat side, funny enough, that you don't usually see these types of floor fights.

00:24:01.000 You might say Reagan's first run in 76 against Ford, there was a huge consternation against Ford.

00:24:08.000 Yeah, against, well, an incumbent president with an asterisk, because nobody had ever voted for Gerald Ford to be vice president or president.

00:24:15.000 So that's why, you know, there was this huge piece and, and, you know, Ted Kennedy ran against Carter again in 1980.

00:24:23.000 So gave him a strong inner primary, inner party primary then, but it didn't, I don't believe that actually made it to the floor.

00:24:30.000 So this might be the first, you might see this, you know, so if you're the Biden campaign right now, all right, put it this way.

00:24:35.000 If you're the Biden campaign right now, you want to do as much as possible to put this to bed now.

00:24:40.000 And you certainly see that from, as Blake has pointed out, They wanted to happen as quickly as possible so that they can do all of the things they need to do to switch the cart over to Kamala Harris and think realistically the only person they would be able, possibly legally able to do that to, would be Kamala Harris other than massive, massive changes going on.

00:25:03.000 But from the other perspective, you might start thinking, alright, if we can't get rid of him, So I want to get some CNN tape here.

00:25:12.000 They're still saying he should drop out.

00:25:13.000 Like, full throttle.

00:25:14.000 That he should drop out.

00:25:15.000 that they're trying to do right now, then you're gonna start thinking floor.

00:25:18.000 You're gonna start thinking how do we open up the convention and take this to

00:25:21.000 the floor in Chicago. So I want to get some CNN tape here.

00:25:24.000 They're still saying he should drop out, like full full throttle that he should

00:25:28.000 drop out. Andrew, what is your reaction to the press fallout here? Yeah, I

00:25:32.000 mean this the ABC News has the congressman from Texas.

00:25:37.000 I'm trying to get his name.

00:25:39.000 He is now the newest.

00:25:41.000 It seems like this was obviously teed up.

00:25:43.000 He was ready to go with this hit.

00:25:45.000 So this seems to me a plot, right?

00:25:49.000 This has been planned.

00:25:51.000 And you go back to what Speaker Pelosi has been telling the caucus behind closed doors, right?

00:25:57.000 Yes, Jeffries is in charge, but arguably Pelosi still holds Way more sway.

00:26:02.000 And so what she's been saying is if you're in a safe district and you want to air those grievances, go ahead and do it.

00:26:11.000 If you're in a toss-up district, you know, actually let me say that again.

00:26:15.000 If you're in a toss-up district, air your grievances out loud.

00:26:18.000 If you are in a safe district, why don't you come and air them, you know, behind closed doors.

00:26:23.000 Don't air your dirty laundry.

00:26:25.000 And so I gotta presume this guy from Texas is in a toss-up district.

00:26:29.000 Further, you misspoke.

00:26:30.000 was pre-planned so I think there's a lot of orchestration going on here they're

00:26:34.000 trying to chip away chisel away make the pressure so extreme that he's gonna he's

00:26:39.000 gonna give in but again timelines against him if he just digs his heels in

00:26:43.000 I just think I think he's I think we're I think he's gonna survive I think that's

00:26:49.000 my I think so I think that's my take let's play cut 131 answer vice president Harris as vice president Trump right

00:27:01.000 now is using that to mock your age and your memory.

00:27:04.000 How do you combat that criticism from tonight?

00:27:08.000 Listen to him.

00:27:10.000 This concludes tonight's press conference. Thank you everybody.

00:27:13.000 Thanks everyone.

00:27:15.000 That's his answer. Listen to him.

00:27:18.000 I mean, but he seems psychologically, Blake, defiant, strong-headed, bull-headed.

00:27:25.000 He is not moving.

00:27:26.000 You know, one of the best.

00:27:26.000 He thinks he's the greatest president ever.

00:27:28.000 Yeah, I think this is I think it's like the entire Democrat establishment bought the fake persona about Joe Biden that they built to win in 2020.

00:27:37.000 This genial grandfatherly Uncle Joe.

00:27:41.000 Joe Biden's kind of a jerk.

00:27:44.000 Kind of an a-hole.

00:27:47.000 Bad terms, I guess.

00:27:48.000 I don't know.

00:27:48.000 It's a PG-13 thing.

00:27:51.000 This is a guy who, I think he went several years without giving an interview to the press.

00:27:55.000 He doesn't like the press.

00:27:57.000 He raised Hunter Biden as his child.

00:28:00.000 He raised Ashley Biden as his child.

00:28:02.000 They're both appalling.

00:28:05.000 His family cashed in in extremely trashy ways off his vice presidency, which he used to

00:28:10.000 enrich himself.

00:28:11.000 And his presidency.

00:28:12.000 Selling paintings.

00:28:13.000 Yeah, so he's really bad in all of those ways.

00:28:18.000 He basically had his son go work for a credit card company that he was a shill for in Congress.

00:28:24.000 He just, he's a bad guy.

00:28:26.000 And then he thinks he's awesome.

00:28:28.000 And truthfully, I guess he did win in the 2020 election.

00:28:32.000 He won in 2022 when everyone said he was down.

00:28:35.000 So he would have reason to feel smug and think, all these people doubted me.

00:28:40.000 They said I couldn't win the nomination.

00:28:41.000 They said I couldn't beat Trump.

00:28:42.000 They said that I couldn't win.

00:28:44.000 If he loses to Donald Trump, he will go down as the most hated living Democrat figure.

00:28:47.000 and they stink and I'm amazing and him getting dementia would only make these

00:28:52.000 thoughts stronger. If he loses to Donald Trump he will go down as the

00:28:58.000 most hated living Democrat figure since who? I mean if he loses to Hillary

00:29:04.000 Clinton I mean they hated Hillary but it would be more than Hillary.

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00:30:06.000 What are we reading here, Blake?

00:30:07.000 Well, I was thinking, uh... We found a dementia test on the internet.

00:30:12.000 We were wondering how one... Oh, I would do?

00:30:12.000 Oh, yeah?

00:30:14.000 Yeah, we were thinking how you would do, so here's test one.

00:30:16.000 Is there a suspicion that I have dementia?

00:30:18.000 You never know.

00:30:19.000 What is today's date?

00:30:20.000 From memory, no cheating, you can't look.

00:30:22.000 Month, date, year?

00:30:23.000 Thursday, July 11th.

00:30:24.000 What year?

00:30:24.000 2024.

00:30:25.000 You're wrong, it's 2025.

00:30:28.000 A whole year has passed, Charlie.

00:30:29.000 Is that right?

00:30:30.000 While you were in your hyperbaric sleep chamber.

00:30:32.000 It's already Project 2025?

00:30:33.000 Yeah, no.

00:30:34.000 Project 2025.

00:30:35.000 Yes, please.

00:30:37.000 And then, do we have this ready to go?

00:30:39.000 Can you have it on screen?

00:30:40.000 There's two pictures he has to identify.

00:30:40.000 We want him to look at it.

00:30:42.000 Alright, let me see.

00:30:44.000 At the bottom, can you tell what that is on the bottom left there?

00:30:46.000 Is this an eye test or a dementia test?

00:30:48.000 It's a dementia test.

00:30:49.000 It looks like a wreath.

00:30:51.000 What's the other thing?

00:30:51.000 Okay, good enough.

00:30:52.000 A volcano.

00:30:53.000 All right.

00:30:54.000 I guess, I mean, you're doing okay.

00:30:56.000 Question three.

00:30:57.000 How are a watch and a ruler similar?

00:31:01.000 They both have numbers on them.

00:31:03.000 Anything else?

00:31:05.000 They measure.

00:31:06.000 Yeah, I guess they measure.

00:31:07.000 There you go.

00:31:08.000 Anything else?

00:31:10.000 They're both nouns.

00:31:13.000 They have 12.

00:31:14.000 Yeah, I guess they both have 12s on them.

00:31:14.000 12.

00:31:17.000 Yeah, okay.

00:31:18.000 Alright, alright.

00:31:18.000 How many nickels are in 60 cents?

00:31:20.000 Nickels are in 12?

00:31:22.000 I didn't say nickels in 12.

00:31:23.000 He's got dementia, everybody!

00:31:25.000 He's losing it.

00:31:26.000 How many nickels in 60 cents?

00:31:27.000 Yes.

00:31:28.000 That would be 60 cents.

00:31:29.000 Oh, he answered it.

00:31:29.000 He said 12.

00:31:30.000 I said 12.

00:31:31.000 No, you said in 12.

00:31:32.000 You said in 12.

00:31:32.000 You were totally discombobulated, Charlie.

00:31:34.000 He's completely dementia-addled.

00:31:36.000 Guys, we need to invoke the 25th Amendment at turning point.

00:31:38.000 There is no 25th Amendment there.

00:31:39.000 Thankfully.

00:31:40.000 But I thought I answered it right, didn't I?

00:31:43.000 You are buying $13.45 of groceries.

00:31:46.000 How much change would you receive for a $20 bill?

00:31:49.000 For a $20 bill?

00:31:50.000 Yeah.

00:31:51.000 I would receive $6.55.

00:31:52.000 Oh, that's pretty good.

00:31:54.000 You got that one on your first try.

00:31:57.000 Keep going.

00:31:59.000 Boomers can't do that.

00:32:00.000 All right.

00:32:01.000 Boomers can't do that, you said?

00:32:03.000 Zoomers.

00:32:04.000 Oh yeah, you're right.

00:32:05.000 I grew up with that.

00:32:06.000 Yeah.

00:32:07.000 Name twelve animals.

00:32:09.000 I have to do this now?

00:32:10.000 Yes.

00:32:10.000 Cat.

00:32:11.000 Dog.

00:32:12.000 Cow.

00:32:13.000 Platypus.

00:32:14.000 Salmon.

00:32:15.000 Tuna.

00:32:16.000 Mackerel.

00:32:17.000 Sardine.

00:32:19.000 Eagle.

00:32:20.000 Turkey.

00:32:22.000 Lion.

00:32:23.000 Tiger.

00:32:23.000 Is that twelve?

00:32:25.000 That's twelve.

00:32:26.000 Okay.

00:32:27.000 I think only four of them were things that you don't currently eat.

00:32:31.000 You know, close enough.

00:32:32.000 Yeah, I was thinking it would be fun to ask him.

00:32:34.000 So, okay, I'll stop quizzing you all the time.

00:32:36.000 No, I think it's hilarious.

00:32:36.000 But, uh, one of the things that I actually do do... I don't have dementia.

00:32:41.000 Well, I mean, you did fuzz with the nickels thing a bit there.

00:32:44.000 I did good on the nickel thing!

00:32:45.000 Okay, alright.

00:32:48.000 Small update.

00:32:49.000 So, Charlie, real quick.

00:32:50.000 The ABC was Lloyd Doggett from Texas.

00:32:55.000 He had already declared that he was calling for Joe Biden to step down, so he wasn't a new... Oh, okay.

00:33:02.000 That was your dementia talking.

00:33:04.000 Secondly, the... I'm looking at the war room, actually.

00:33:07.000 So, I'll do my best for Biden.

00:33:10.000 So, the other thing is that Peter Doocy, quote-unquote, did what he had to do tonight.

00:33:18.000 You're telling me for the first time.

00:33:22.000 When he leans in.

00:33:24.000 I'm so quiet.

00:33:25.000 There's a Blue Anon.

00:33:25.000 I need to have a fair shot.

00:33:30.000 Pal.

00:33:32.000 There's a Blue Anon conspiracy theory that they're intentionally sabotaging Biden.

00:33:37.000 Yeah, tell us about that.

00:33:37.000 Yeah, so after he did the interview with Stephanopoulos, you know, his audio was very soft and it was like very crackly because he was very weak.

00:33:48.000 And this guy did an analysis where he says that they intentionally sabotaged Biden's audio so it would sound even worse.

00:33:55.000 Too raspy.

00:33:55.000 It's too raspy to make it sound really bad.

00:33:58.000 And they're all doing this because it's part of the plot to bring Biden down.

00:34:01.000 And what's funny is I can't even—it did sound bad, and for all I know it could have sounded better, but I feel like the Occam's Razors, they probably just have incompetent sound engineers.

00:34:09.000 All right, keep the dementia test up.

00:34:11.000 Here's one of the best parts is question six on the dementia test is at the bottom of the last page in the blank provided write, I am done.

00:34:19.000 And then what happens is you get to question 12 in it and it says, have you finished?

00:34:23.000 And you're supposed to remember to write, I am done.

00:34:25.000 They're at the bottom of the test.

00:34:27.000 At the bottom of the test?

00:34:28.000 Yeah, at the bottom of the test, because otherwise you'll write yes, or whatever.

00:34:31.000 But they can forget by the time they finished it.

00:34:34.000 But isn't the telltale one the clock?

00:34:36.000 Yeah, that's one of the ones in here.

00:34:37.000 So, problem eight, the drawing test, I don't know if you want to do it, is draw a large face of a clock, and place the twelve numbers in it, and then place... Is this number eight?

00:34:49.000 Yes, this is question 8 on the test, yeah.

00:34:52.000 And so, draw the face of a clock, put the numbers in it, and have it be 5 minutes after 11 o'clock as the time.

00:35:01.000 Alright, this is very hard.

00:35:03.000 This is actually, I do not think, I think that every Gen Z-er has dementia.

00:35:09.000 They certainly act like it a lot of the time.

00:35:10.000 What time do I have to say?

00:35:12.000 5 minutes after 11 o'clock.

00:35:14.000 Okay, let me think about this.

00:35:16.000 It's how they phrase it.

00:35:17.000 It's been a while since I've actually looked at analog, so... I think that's pretty good.

00:35:25.000 What do you think, Blake?

00:35:26.000 All right, let's see.

00:35:30.000 Okay, you also... Yeah?

00:35:32.000 7 and 8 are getting a little adventurous there, but... This is not an art contest, okay?

00:35:36.000 It says, on your clock, label L for the long hand and S for the short hand.

00:35:40.000 You can tell which one is which.

00:35:42.000 You have to label them.

00:35:42.000 It says in the quiz.

00:35:44.000 Charlie's gonna be at his next speech and be like, I aced the cognitive test.

00:35:48.000 Oh, I will.

00:35:48.000 I'll say, I aced it.

00:35:50.000 What do you think?

00:35:52.000 All right, okay.

00:35:53.000 Not bad, right?

00:35:54.000 That's all right.

00:35:55.000 That's all right.

00:35:55.000 You did it better than I did.

00:35:57.000 Now another test.

00:35:57.000 Show it to the camera.

00:35:58.000 Another test.

00:35:59.000 No, it's pretty good.

00:36:00.000 I did it.

00:36:01.000 So we did a hard mode one before we came out here.

00:36:04.000 Apparently another test that's not on this one, but a common one, you saw one, was naming types of fruits or vegetables or naming things that all start with the same letter, like a bunch of words that start with the letter P.

00:36:15.000 You want me to do that now?

00:36:16.000 If you want, can you name things that start with the letter P?

00:36:19.000 President.

00:36:20.000 Anything besides platypi?

00:36:21.000 President.

00:36:22.000 Uh, pencil.

00:36:24.000 Pen.

00:36:25.000 Um, there's plenty of other words that start with P. Oh!

00:36:29.000 Okay, alright!

00:36:30.000 You got some forward there!

00:36:30.000 I'm right here, Charlie!

00:36:31.000 I'm right here!

00:36:32.000 Okay!

00:36:33.000 Posobic.

00:36:34.000 Picture.

00:36:34.000 Hey!

00:36:35.000 Posobic.

00:36:36.000 There's plenty of other words.

00:36:37.000 Yeah, and so what we thought would be a fun one is... I might have to mention, you never know.

00:36:40.000 Draw a clock, and at each hour point on the clock, you have to draw a fruit that starts with the letter P. That's part of the test?

00:36:50.000 No, it's a new test we created just for you.

00:36:52.000 Plum, pomegranate.

00:36:55.000 There are 12 fruits that start with the letter P. Passion fruit.

00:37:00.000 Papaya.

00:37:00.000 Papaya?

00:37:01.000 There you go.

00:37:01.000 Papaya's a good one.

00:37:02.000 Papaya's very good.

00:37:03.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:37:03.000 Papaya's fun to say too.

00:37:07.000 Boy, I'm trying to think of other fruits.

00:37:08.000 I say pickle counts.

00:37:09.000 Pickle counts as a fruit?

00:37:11.000 Peach?

00:37:11.000 I'm gonna give it to you.

00:37:13.000 I'm gonna give it to you because you need 12.

00:37:16.000 Boy, this is tough.

00:37:18.000 Could you name 12 fruits to start with a P?

00:37:20.000 Oh, let me think.

00:37:20.000 Could I actually get to 12?

00:37:21.000 Let me think.

00:37:22.000 Plum, pear, papaya, plantain, persimmon, persimmon?

00:37:32.000 Persimmon's a real- They did this to me!

00:37:34.000 That is a real fruit!

00:37:35.000 Look it up!

00:37:36.000 Everyone just calls me a liar here.

00:37:39.000 Um, prickly pear?

00:37:42.000 They sold it!

00:37:43.000 I went to the Grand Canyon!

00:37:44.000 They were selling it!

00:37:45.000 Pear is a good one.

00:37:46.000 And prickly pear is a thing, too.

00:37:48.000 Is this an IQ test or a cognitive test?

00:37:53.000 Yes.

00:37:54.000 What's the other questions?

00:37:56.000 Let's see.

00:37:56.000 Can you draw a cube?

00:37:59.000 Not really, but I could try.

00:38:01.000 Geez, I might have dementia.

00:38:04.000 I am very much impaired with my artistic abilities or lack thereof.

00:38:11.000 Boy.

00:38:11.000 There's an example of a cube right there.

00:38:13.000 That's still a cube.

00:38:14.000 You just need to copy it.

00:38:16.000 You know, it's pretty rough.

00:38:18.000 But it's... I did it from memory.

00:38:20.000 That is a high... That is a very ugly cube.

00:38:23.000 I feel like that's like a... What's the guy who did all those... The Dutch guy who did all the optical illusions or whatever with the water?

00:38:30.000 That's still a cube.

00:38:31.000 This is the worst cube in the history of cubes.

00:38:33.000 But it's still a cube.

00:38:34.000 It's like an M.C.

00:38:35.000 Escher cube.

00:38:37.000 You know I screwed up the length If Joe Biden's brain was a cube it would be that one I'm not I'm not there.

00:38:40.000 All right, so I'm maybe on dementia.

00:38:40.000 You know, I screwed up the length on one of these. That's what I did.

00:38:44.000 This is a collapsing cube.

00:38:47.000 If Joe Biden's brain was a cube, it would be that one.

00:38:53.000 If it's art, I'm not there.

00:38:56.000 So I'm maybe on dementia. What else you got?

00:38:59.000 They have all these picture-based ones that would be hard to do off of here.

00:39:03.000 What is one that Trump could ask in a debate to expose he has dementia?

00:39:08.000 Honestly, asking him to draw the clock could be a fun one.

00:39:13.000 Put him on the spot.

00:39:14.000 I brought a pen.

00:39:15.000 They can't do it?

00:39:17.000 I mean, he probably could in a no-holds-barred debate, but probably not in a structured debate.

00:39:21.000 I think the 12 things with the same letter would be hard for him.

00:39:28.000 Name 12 words that start with the letter, you know, W.

00:39:34.000 He'd get stuck.

00:39:35.000 Or ask him with that change question.

00:39:38.000 It's like, if I bought something for $13.45, how much change would you have to give me for a 20?

00:39:43.000 Or they do seven random words in a row and ask him to repeat them.

00:39:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:47.000 Like, wall, mic, computer, glass, or whatever, yeah.

00:39:50.000 That's another one.

00:39:51.000 So, what's the verdict?

00:39:53.000 I don't have dementia.

00:39:55.000 I'm still worried about... This cube is a real problem.

00:39:58.000 The cube's a problem.

00:40:00.000 The 60 cents with the nickels.

00:40:04.000 You're like a, you're like a reverse splits guy.

00:40:06.000 You're like, if you give Charlie something impossible to do, he'll ace it.

00:40:10.000 If you give something easy to do, he'll make it look hard.

00:40:13.000 And that's, that's just, Charlie, I've known you a long time and that's basically really true.

00:40:20.000 The harder it is, the more you excel, the easier it is.

00:40:22.000 You know, you're like, you're like those teams that play up to their opponents.

00:40:25.000 The more challenged I am?

00:40:27.000 Yep.

00:40:28.000 Someone mentions a good one is ask him to recite the months backwards.

00:40:32.000 The months backwards?

00:40:33.000 Yeah.

00:40:34.000 Or have him do the alphabet backwards.

00:40:36.000 December, November, October, September, August, July, June, May, April, March, February, January.

00:40:42.000 Yeah.

00:40:43.000 That could be a tough one.

00:40:43.000 I think a better one, alphabet backwards, because that drips a little bit.

00:40:46.000 I can't do that.

00:40:47.000 C-Y-X-W-V-U-T-S-R-Q-M-L-K-J-I-H-G-F-E-D-C-B-A.

00:40:48.000 W-V-U-T-S-R-Q-M-L-K-J-I-H-G-F-E-D-C-B-A.

00:40:55.000 Yeah.

00:40:56.000 You have practiced that.

00:40:58.000 M-L-K-H-W-E-G-S-T-O-N-M-L-K-J-I-H-G-F-E-D-C-B-A.

00:41:02.000 So, here's kind of the consensus here.

00:41:08.000 Let's go to Vice President because I think it's important and it's kind of tied into this.

00:41:12.000 I feel like if Trump could ask him, he might literally be asking someone right now, can I delay this choice until after the RNC because he's like playing chicken with the Democrats.

00:41:21.000 And he doesn't want to pick it till after they've— We're definitely in uncharted territory.

00:41:25.000 This is the latest Republican VP announcement since, like, the 70s, where they used to do it on TV at the convention.

00:41:32.000 So, the betting odds think J.D.' 's the favorite, and it seems like it's J.D., Burgum, or Rubio.

00:41:39.000 There was a clip on Fox News of Karl Rove and Mark Thiessen going after J.D.

00:41:45.000 Vance, and I want us to defend J.D.

00:41:46.000 Vance.

00:41:47.000 Mark Thiessen came out and said, oh, J.D.

00:41:50.000 Vance has Rust Belt appeal.

00:41:51.000 He only won his Senate race by six points, but Mike DeWine won by 20 plus points.

00:41:57.000 So I want to address this if somebody can find this clip of him.

00:42:00.000 And also Karl Rove came in and was basically like, yeah, Mitch McConnell bailed out J.D.

00:42:04.000 Vance and he shouldn't have done that.

00:42:05.000 I actually have it right here.

00:42:07.000 And let me just first address this.

00:42:09.000 That Mike DeWine was running against a fake candidate where J.D.

00:42:13.000 Vance was up against one of the best-funded, most popular Democrats in Ohio, Tim Ryan, and still beat him by six points, right Blake?

00:42:21.000 Yeah.

00:42:23.000 So it seems as if the establishment Republicans are doing everything they can to stop J.D.

00:42:28.000 Vance right now.

00:42:29.000 For sure, for sure. I think Vance is definitely a VP who would be able to,

00:42:35.000 like, he's viable as a way to continue Trump's legacy afterwards. It would really show that

00:42:40.000 MAGA as an ideology is here to stay. Whereas I think they'd believe if they could get a very

00:42:45.000 establishment VP in, well, if something happens to Trump, then, oh, we've got our guy there.

00:42:50.000 But it also, it means there's no obvious successor to Trump after his term is up, or if there is, it'll be this establishment guy and they can try to pivot the whole party back.

00:42:59.000 I think they see a lot of opportunity if they can get their guy in as Trump's second-in-command.

00:43:05.000 Jack, how are you thinking about this veep stakes?

00:43:08.000 Some people thought it was going to be Saturday.

00:43:10.000 I think that's increasingly less likely, to be honest.

00:43:12.000 It looks like it's going to be in the convention, during the convention.

00:43:16.000 Your thoughts, Jack?

00:43:18.000 Well Trump actually said that himself, I forget which interview it was, but it was one of his call-in interviews recently this week, he's done a lot of them, and he said specifically, to be able to do the naming during the convention as well.

00:43:32.000 I think you should.

00:43:33.000 I think that's the traditional way to do it.

00:43:35.000 The really traditional way to do it, by the way, where you build up the suspense, you make it more of a show.

00:43:41.000 You know, you have, it's like the, it's like giving the rose out on The Bachelor,

00:43:45.000 that kind of thing.

00:43:46.000 And we know that Trump as a showman, this is the kind of thing he likes.

00:43:49.000 And the ratings will increase.

00:43:49.000 Yes, and the increase of the ratings, et cetera.

00:43:53.000 It gives that level of hype.

00:43:55.000 And plus, by the way, it's, look, we know the RNC is coming up.

00:43:58.000 They're not gonna reschedule it at this point or anything like that.

00:44:00.000 So it keeps the focus on Biden for as long as possible.

00:44:04.000 And then it brings it in.

00:44:06.000 I do, by the way, agree with the analysis.

00:44:09.000 That the question is, do we go down an establishment road or we go down a MAGA road?

00:44:14.000 And it really does seem, and you can see poll after poll show, that the grassroots are with J.D.

00:44:19.000 because they view him as someone who really has that MAGA mantle.

00:44:23.000 I was with him at NatCon when he gave the speech last night, and it was just full-on America First, just full-on America First policies and articulated in a way that you would never hear from anyone prior to this generation who's been in politics.

00:44:38.000 I want to go to two things.

00:44:39.000 I want to get CNN's first reaction after the press conference, but I want to close this Veep thing.

00:44:43.000 This is Karl Rove going all in for Doug Burgum.

00:44:45.000 Play cut 132.

00:44:46.000 Going to save Pennsylvania?

00:44:48.000 I don't think so.

00:44:49.000 Okay, Karl, before we go to your Democrat friends on this panel, I want to give the remaining Republican conservative a chance to weigh in here.

00:44:56.000 What do you think he does?

00:44:57.000 What should he do?

00:45:00.000 Well, it was actually $35 million that was spent on behalf of J.D.

00:45:04.000 Hanson.

00:45:04.000 I stand corrected.

00:45:04.000 Mark is absolutely right.

00:45:06.000 Absolutely right.

00:45:08.000 Look, I'm with Josh on this, though.

00:45:12.000 Of the three that names have mentioned, Doug Burgum is not only the safe pick, but also gives him some advantage in that he's got a successful governor who's the governor of the second largest energy-producing state in the Union.

00:45:24.000 And if you want to make energy Uh, an issue in the campaign.

00:45:27.000 Who better than that?

00:45:28.000 But I'm with Josh.

00:45:29.000 I think we got to think about Donald Trump as not just simply the former president and potentially future president of the United States, but the executive producer of The Apprentice and there may be a couple of twists and turns before this thing is all done.

00:45:42.000 Alright, Juan, who scares you the most as a Democrat?

00:45:46.000 I think Rubio.

00:45:47.000 Thanks, Juan Williams.

00:45:48.000 Really, really great insight.

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00:47:16.000 Okay, this is CNN's first reaction after the press conference.

00:47:19.000 Let's play Cut 133.

00:47:21.000 Did the president put concerns about his candidacy to rest tonight enough?

00:47:27.000 Well, certainly not.

00:47:29.000 I mean, he obviously was up there for nearly an hour and was able to speak on a variety of topics, but he spoke in sort of the way we've come accustomed to hearing Joe Biden.

00:47:38.000 Certainly nothing that resembled what occurred on the debate stage, but obviously still at times rambling, at times mixing up words.

00:47:47.000 That last question you heard about at the very top of the presser, mixing up saying Vice President Trump instead of Vice President Harris.

00:47:56.000 And then 134.

00:47:58.000 I think he definitely bought himself some more time tonight.

00:48:01.000 But I'm not sure that the bleeding will stop.

00:48:03.000 What I'm hearing from members on the Hill is that there's deep frustration with how the President and his team have handled this situation.

00:48:12.000 And breaking news, Jim Himes, top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, calls on Joe Biden to step away from the campaign.

00:48:21.000 He says, he tweeted, Joe Biden's record of public service is unrivaled.

00:48:26.000 His accomplishments are immense.

00:48:28.000 His legacy as a great president is secure.

00:48:32.000 He must not risk that legacy, those accomplishments, and American So I have a theory here that I want to make sure is said, which is that I believe that Pelosi is slow-dripping these and that there's going to be a cascade this weekend.

00:48:50.000 Pelosi and Obama are very close.

00:48:54.000 Andrew, I'd love your thoughts on this.

00:48:56.000 CNN is operating like the Obama network.

00:48:58.000 MSNBC and Morning Joe is like the Biden network.

00:49:01.000 CNN is all in as if they're doing the Obama bidding.

00:49:04.000 Think about it.

00:49:05.000 They have Axelrod.

00:49:06.000 They got John King.

00:49:08.000 All of the Obama alumni are housed at CNN.

00:49:12.000 MSNBC is a different era, more radical.

00:49:14.000 CNN is more transactional party politics.

00:49:17.000 They want Biden out.

00:49:19.000 CNN is still calling for removal.

00:49:21.000 And I'm watching all the headlines right now.

00:49:23.000 CBS, ABC, they are back into doubt swirl as top Democrats call for Biden.

00:49:29.000 The headlines right now are about the Chairman of the Intelligence Committee.

00:49:34.000 You're trying to tell me the Chairman of the Intelligence Committee would do that without approval of Nancy Pelosi?

00:49:39.000 Yeah, I think your read is spot on.

00:49:42.000 I mean, we have, I think that makes 16 House Dems that are now openly calling for Joe Biden to step down.

00:49:51.000 And I have noticed that disparity as well.

00:49:54.000 It does seem like, you know, as much as we talk about the power centers within the Democrat Party being, you know, Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, you know, Schumer quietly leaked this week that he's willing to dump Joe Biden and that that got leaked to the New York Times.

00:50:11.000 I would say I would say MSNBC morning Joe definitely feels more like they're on Team Biden.

00:50:17.000 You've seen Nancy Pelosi go on MSNBC in the past and get very testy with some of their anchors.

00:50:23.000 So I think your read there is probably spot on.

00:50:26.000 There isn't there's this other, you know, Insight here from Charles Gasparino.

00:50:32.000 He said, breaking an alternative view from a CEO who knows Joe Biden well, says no effing way he's dropping out.

00:50:40.000 Here's his take.

00:50:41.000 Joe Biden couldn't care less what the elite in his party think, what the elite fundraisers think, or anyone else.

00:50:48.000 He really does hate them.

00:50:50.000 He'll take their money, but he knows they'll look down on him as some rube.

00:50:54.000 Plus, he thinks he's earned the presidency after so many times, and there's no way he's giving it up now to go down in history as a loser who dropped out because he isn't tough enough.

00:51:04.000 He only cares about his wife and his family, and he will tell everyone else to F off.

00:51:12.000 Here's my theory about what's going on with Obama based on the CNN article.

00:51:15.000 I think that's really smart, Andrew, is that I think that Obama and Pelosi have developed a plan and we're living through it right now, which is Obama probably told Nancy, uh, look, Nancy.

00:51:25.000 Joe's not going to listen to me unless there's the conditions around it.

00:51:29.000 So we've got to start to deploy some of the members of the House.

00:51:33.000 So it's easier for me.

00:51:34.000 What I'm saying, Blake, is that I think Obama and Pelosi have developed a plan.

00:51:39.000 Create all of the chatter and Obama goes in for the metaphorical kill.

00:51:44.000 What do you think?

00:51:45.000 You know, another interesting part, though, that is in the same CNN article that just was published a few minutes ago, and it says, let's see, Obama has been fielding more calls than he's making, people who have spoken to him say, when he does talk to anxious Democrat donors and officials, he's been listening more than talking, carefully avoiding taking positions that he assumes would quickly leak.

00:52:09.000 What I think is funny there is I think a lot of Democrats naturally feel Obama should be leading them.

00:52:16.000 And so they're all calling him and they're asking what to do.

00:52:20.000 And Obama isn't saying anything.

00:52:22.000 He's not really doing anything.

00:52:25.000 And so I do wonder, maybe it'll just turn out that Obama didn't actually do anything, and people are just attributing it to him.

00:52:31.000 Clooney calls him because he's his friend, and he's saying, oh, yeah, Obama, I'm writing this op-ed.

00:52:36.000 And he's like, yeah, Clooney, that's crazy what you're doing.

00:52:39.000 Oh, he won't say it that way.

00:52:40.000 But no one really says, oh, Obama ordered the op-ed or wrote the op-ed for Clooney.

00:52:48.000 Or even was the source.

00:52:49.000 They just sort of said he talked to him about it.

00:52:51.000 And that's what they're saying here.

00:52:52.000 Everyone just calls him.

00:52:54.000 So my thing, Charlie, and you know Obama probably better than anybody on this panel right now, but I mean, Obama to me is not the guy that wants to get his hands dirty.

00:53:04.000 Right? I mean, and he's very, very savvy when it comes to the media.

00:53:08.000 So I think he's going to exert a soft pressure campaign, but he's going to let the chips fall where they will.

00:53:14.000 I mean, I think that it's very clear that Obama harbors those concerns.

00:53:19.000 He did issue that one tweet saying, hey, we've all had bad nights or whatever.

00:53:23.000 He's basically been quiet since then.

00:53:26.000 And I just don't think he's going to want to get his hands dirty

00:53:28.000 or want any fingerprints back to him.

00:53:30.000 But I do believe that him and Pelosi are both and Schumer are all three sort of working

00:53:36.000 and pushing to exert as much force as they can possible.

00:53:41.000 But ultimately, I think they don't want to injure him so badly that if he

00:53:45.000 Here is Rachel Maddow.

00:53:46.000 They got her to work on a Thursday, which is rare, next to her twin, Chris Hayes.

00:53:49.000 that he could win.

00:53:50.000 I think we might be close to there or already there, but they've got a hell of a machine and Biden knows it,

00:53:55.000 and he's got all these illegals and he's gonna veto the SAVE Act.

00:53:58.000 So who the heck knows, but at the end of the day, they're trying to injure him, not mortally wound him.

00:54:04.000 Here is Rachel Maddow.

00:54:06.000 They got her to work on a Thursday, which is rare next to her twin, Chris Hayes, PlayCut 135.

00:54:11.000 I think that what Nicole points out about the reality about polling numbers for incumbent presidents

00:54:19.000 and the real history of that versus what President Biden said,

00:54:23.000 which was not actually factually accurate as far as I can tell, that's worrying

00:54:28.000 because it makes me worry that the president is being given information about his political standing

00:54:33.000 that may not be based in reality, that may be sunnier than is real.

00:54:38.000 Rachel Maddow being the voice of reason in the room.

00:54:41.000 Man, apparently ABC is now saying Democrats told them they were hoping Biden would screw up.

00:54:47.000 No, that's what I'm saying, is that they were cheering for it.

00:54:50.000 They were cheering for it.

00:54:51.000 And then probably on the flip side, Trump was probably like, go on, Joe, hold on.

00:54:55.000 And that would make sense.

00:54:55.000 He is his vice president after all.

00:54:57.000 I will close with this and you guys can keep going for a second here.

00:55:00.000 And I want to just play through this, and Blake, it was your idea that I took and I built out on the show.

00:55:04.000 And Andrew, you thought it was smart.

00:55:06.000 If they really wanted to get rid of Biden, you peel off a White House aide, offer them a book deal, get them a primetime interview, and they go into great detail of, he doesn't know where he is, he doesn't have any capacity to lead, as brutal as possible, this thing is over.

00:55:22.000 There's so much money in Democrat politics and the stakes are so high, it kind of blows my mind that that just doesn't happen.

00:55:28.000 Someone says, we're passing the hat around, everyone puts in 50k, and we find the first Oval Office aide that we can who will tell.

00:55:36.000 And it doesn't even need to really be a lie.

00:55:37.000 It sounds like this is all true.

00:55:38.000 So you just need to get them to say it on camera, instead of being some stupid leak that's in CBS.

00:55:43.000 Andrew, what I'm saying, though, is that they have not deployed everything at their disposal yet.

00:55:50.000 No, I don't think so at all.

00:55:52.000 I think you're right.

00:55:53.000 I think what I'm curious to see, you know, we keep saying the RNC is going to suck all the media oxygen out of the room.

00:56:00.000 I'm starting to just kind of ponder, what if that's exactly what they want?

00:56:03.000 They want a quiet week to really dig in behind the scenes.

00:56:08.000 That's smart.

00:56:09.000 So that every move they make doesn't have to be amplified a hundredfold.

00:56:14.000 I mean, everything they've done, even that Joe Biden can't do anything but fail

00:56:25.000 to meet those expectations because everybody's hanging on every word, right?

00:56:28.000 So I think maybe next week could be a reprieve from this media scrutiny.

00:56:33.000 They focus on the RNC.

00:56:34.000 They get behind the scenes where they're really good operators.

00:56:37.000 I mean, if you want to see a backroom dealing movement, I mean, just look at the Democrats.

00:56:41.000 This is what they do, right?

00:56:43.000 So they're going to hatch some plan, exert some force.

00:56:45.000 And then, like I said, the RNC ends on the 19th.

00:56:48.000 They've got the 20th and the 21st, I think, to get it done before that roll call.

00:56:54.000 I mean, it's possible this could be actually an opportunity for them.

00:56:58.000 I gotta dash.

00:56:58.000 You guys can keep going and keep the Thought Crimes going.

00:57:01.000 I will hand it off to Blake.

00:57:02.000 Oh boy, it comes over to me.

00:57:04.000 Do we have that much else we want to say, guys?

00:57:07.000 It's like, I've got one thought that I do when I say, and it's that, look, the debate audience is a singular So the people who listen to ThoughtCrime every week and watch Charlie and watch my show and watch War Room and Tucker and all this stuff, we're in the day-to-day politics business.

00:57:33.000 We're the news junkies.

00:57:34.000 We're in that.

00:57:35.000 And so the press conference is, by its own inherent nature, only going to be speaking to those type of people.

00:57:42.000 The debate is something completely different.

00:57:45.000 I mean, I think we saw when producer Angelo had the numbers earlier, there's something like 50 million We can't unring that bell.

00:57:54.000 I saw a Democrat said earlier today that it doesn't matter if Biden goes up there and starts doing push-ups on the stage.

00:57:59.000 It's not going to change the fact that people saw what happened on that debate stage.

00:58:04.000 So you can prove that, okay, maybe he doesn't always have a bad night and every once in a while he can kind of get through some things, but what happens when he does?

00:58:13.000 And the simple fact of the matter is that people don't pay attention to politics in this country, certainly not as much as they were In the past.

00:58:20.000 And they saw the debate.

00:58:21.000 That was the first impression.

00:58:22.000 It's very, very hard to undo that.

00:58:25.000 And so, while tonight, yeah, I think I agree with the one CNN correspondent who said that this bought him some time, certainly with his own situation, but it doesn't fundamentally change the conversation and it's not going to.

00:58:37.000 Yeah, basically I agree.

00:58:38.000 I think they don't have an obvious or easy way out of the jam they've gotten themselves into.

00:58:43.000 And I think if they're not able to convince Biden to gracefully step aside, and they need to realize that quick, they need to realize all they can actually do is they have to start lobbying members of the cabinet, and they have to basically say, you need to force Biden's hand more directly. Because I think if you

00:59:05.000 get to the point where you don't even necessarily need to do it, where you just have it being

00:59:10.000 talked about that the cabinet could actually do this, or maybe even some specific members of the cabinet

00:59:15.000 come out and say they're willing to do this, I think at that point he probably does have to go.

00:59:21.000 But it would be a very tough spot for You'd basically be doing a coup d'etat against your own party, your own president, and your party's own democratically chosen nominee.

00:59:32.000 It's not a good spot to be in, but I do think it's very funny that it's happening to the party that won't shut up about defending democracy.

00:59:38.000 They're trying to find the best possible way they can to make it so they have no primary process.

00:59:45.000 Party leader is chosen by a completely opaque process.

00:59:48.000 There's been talks about having a secret ballot with the delegates to their conventions, so that would mean the nominee would be chosen by people who you would not even know who they voted for, so you wouldn't have any idea who was responsible for picking the nominee.

01:00:02.000 It truly is richly deserved that Democrats would get themselves in this stupid disaster of a position.

01:00:09.000 Here's a question I have, too.

01:00:10.000 Go ahead, Andrew.

01:00:13.000 Well, I just think that you have to look at this with an understanding of personal incentive structure.

01:00:20.000 So, on the one hand, you have George Clooney, who let them all hang out there, wrote an op-ed, put his name on it, that was like the shot heard around the world.

01:00:30.000 Most people, and there's 15 House Democrats, certainly, that are in these swing districts that are trying to distance themselves from Joe Biden because now the House has gone plus generic ballot, plus two, plus three Republican, right?

01:00:44.000 So that all makes sense.

01:00:45.000 Personal incentive structure.

01:00:46.000 But when you look at like an aide inside Biden's White House that would have to take a risk to do this, and Biden ultimately holds a lot of the cards here, it doesn't back out.

01:00:57.000 If you're outed, your career could be over.

01:00:59.000 You could be, you know, a pariah.

01:01:01.000 You could never work in town again.

01:01:04.000 Same for a lot of these power players behind the scenes.

01:01:06.000 They have a personal incentive to not push too hard.

01:01:11.000 Because Biden's probably going to stick around, right?

01:01:13.000 What happens then?

01:01:16.000 So you have to understand the amount of risk that these people are taking.

01:01:19.000 In other words, a lot of them are cowards and they're not going to just say what they want to say.

01:01:23.000 That's why I appreciate what Senator Bennett out of Colorado did.

01:01:27.000 He said, yeah, I said that behind closed doors.

01:01:28.000 You guys leaked it.

01:01:29.000 I'm going to own it on CNN.

01:01:31.000 All right.

01:01:32.000 Fair enough.

01:01:33.000 That takes a little bit of courage, some integrity.

01:01:35.000 Most people do not have that kind of courage.

01:01:38.000 I think that's just an absolute fact of life and especially so when you're talking about high stakes DC politics on the Democrat side.

01:01:45.000 So I just don't think that the incentive structure is there for a lot of these people to take that big of a risk because they don't know what's going to happen and they know how stubborn Biden is.

01:01:54.000 It's unreal to me how hard they're fighting through this.

01:01:58.000 I think Biden's team, whoever's most loyal to Biden appears to be his 23-year-old social media interns because they're trying to tweet their way through this mess.

01:02:07.000 So a few minutes ago, Biden actually tweeted about the Vice President Trump thing.

01:02:12.000 Because Donald Trump said on Truth Social, he did a thing, Crooked Joe begins his big boy press conference with, I wouldn't have picked Vice President Trump to be Vice President.

01:02:22.000 Great job, Joe!

01:02:23.000 And then Joe Biden's official account tweets back, Yes, I know the difference.

01:02:29.000 One's a prosecutor and the other's a felon.

01:02:32.000 Now, I don't know why Biden would just attack his own vice president that way, but I guess he's really, he's really living on the edge right now.

01:02:40.000 They're taking a new approach, you can see that.

01:02:42.000 They're trying to be more aggressive.

01:02:43.000 This is something that I want to say to the people out there who are like thinking that, you know, the people who always say that, okay, the election's a loser, you know, the election's going to be stolen, it's totally rigged.

01:02:57.000 And just, guys, would they be going through on their own side all of this?

01:03:02.000 Would they be forcing themselves to do all of this?

01:03:05.000 Would they be putting themselves through such a humiliating ritual, seeing the media completely do the 180 that we've all seen, seeing as whoever is giving the orders?

01:03:13.000 Look, I said on this show, what, two weeks ago now, that Obama flipped the kill switch.

01:03:18.000 But, you know, that seems to be what's happening.

01:03:21.000 But they wouldn't have done all of that, and they wouldn't be be doing all of this if the election were a fait accompli

01:03:27.000 because they have some sort of quote unquote secret mechanism to swing the election in their favor.

01:03:33.000 Whatever they're able to do in terms of ballots, it's not enough to overcome the gap

01:03:37.000 of the collapse of Joe Biden that we've seen.

01:03:40.000 So that means that guess what boys and girls, this election actually is a jump ball.

01:03:45.000 It actually is something that you can fight for and it actually is something that is winnable

01:03:50.000 for the other side.

01:03:51.000 That's why they're freaking out right now.

01:03:53.000 Should we close it out with image number?

01:03:55.000 Do it.

01:03:57.000 Put it up.

01:03:58.000 There we go.

01:03:59.000 Nice to meet you, President Putin.

01:04:00.000 Here it is.

01:04:01.000 Nice to meet you, Vice President Trump.

01:04:06.000 It's a brave new world we live in, guys.

01:04:08.000 Reality is being rewritten as we speak.

01:04:10.000 I don't know who will be the Vice President tomorrow.

01:04:12.000 I don't know who will be the President of Ukraine tomorrow.

01:04:15.000 It seems to be changing by the moment.

01:04:17.000 It's basically President Biden's world, and he remakes it according to his increasingly melted-down brain's will.

01:04:27.000 I think everybody needs to leave here with a prediction.

01:04:31.000 I predict he stays.

01:04:32.000 I predict Biden is the nominee.

01:04:37.000 I think he will fight on, but I do think by the end of July, I think Biden will be out either directly or he will have announced that he will be departing at some point in the near future.

01:04:51.000 I think he stays unless there is a major health incident.

01:04:56.000 I don't think the shaming is going to do anything.

01:04:58.000 I don't think the drying up of donations is going to do anything.

01:05:01.000 I think it's going to be a major health incident that requires him to step down in any way.

01:05:06.000 If so, if so, they would hold it for the announcement at the convention.

01:05:12.000 Okay, actually, I think so.

01:05:15.000 Everybody's hedging.

01:05:16.000 I just called it straight up, but that's fine, guys.

01:05:21.000 Let's play.

01:05:22.000 This is an interesting clip that we just got.

01:05:25.000 This is Secretaries Blinken, Austin, and National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan when President Biden said Vice President Trump.

01:05:33.000 This is a candid look at them reacting.

01:05:36.000 Play cut.

01:05:37.000 I guess you guys know what cut it is.

01:05:39.000 It's 1.39.

01:05:41.000 I wouldn't have picked Vice President Trump to be Vice President, though I think she's not qualified to be President.

01:05:47.000 So let's start there.

01:05:49.000 Number one.

01:05:50.000 The fact is that the consideration is... It's Jake Sullivan just with the hand on his mouth.

01:05:59.000 Painful.

01:06:00.000 Yeah, and you can see by the way that Keep in mind, these are the guys that, and Politico says, by the way, it's a conspiracy that me and Sean Hannity and Stephen Miller have cooked up.

01:06:11.000 It's a conspiracy that Joe Biden's age was kept from everybody.

01:06:16.000 Yeah, no, it was a conspiracy, actually.

01:06:17.000 It was a conspiracy by the people that you're sitting looking at in the front row right there.

01:06:22.000 It's a conspiracy by people who are in the media to not tell people what this was like,

01:06:26.000 people who spend time with him.

01:06:27.000 We've all seen the things publicly, so we know that in private, it must be 10 times worse.

01:06:32.000 And by the way, it's not us saying that.

01:06:34.000 You can read the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times or Axios

01:06:37.000 or any of these mainstream politicos, got a ton of pieces on this,

01:06:39.000 of these publications who admit it, George Clooney, who admitted over and over and over.

01:06:44.000 Our point is you knew and you said nothing.

01:06:48.000 That was the conspiracy of silence that went down here.

01:06:51.000 And so, I really do think that this puts every, the big spin on this is,

01:06:57.000 and no one's really talking about it tonight because we're talking more about the press conference.

01:07:01.000 He was talking about national security issues.

01:07:04.000 But at the same time, we also know that this is the guy who's ostensibly in control of America's foreign policy, America's nuclear arsenal, America's national security, and we don't even know if this is the guy who's actually making the decisions.

01:07:20.000 people on this and I think it's really something that the House GOP should get involved in.

01:07:25.000 What's actually going on inside the White House?

01:07:29.000 What's actually going on within the cabinet?

01:07:31.000 Who's making the decisions?

01:07:32.000 Who's calling the shots?

01:07:34.000 And I think Ben Shapiro, or somebody made the joke earlier, who should we ask?

01:07:38.000 Should we ask Jill?

01:07:39.000 I know it was, excuse me, I'm getting my clips mixed up.

01:07:41.000 That was Peter Doocy who asked that, who should we ask?

01:07:46.000 Should we ask Jill?

01:07:47.000 I would really like to know the answer to that question.

01:07:49.000 I don't think anybody knows.

01:07:50.000 I mean, it's his inner circle, right?

01:07:52.000 So we've got Jill Hunter essentially acting as a chief of staff right now, reports have been suggesting.

01:08:00.000 I don't know how real that is.

01:08:04.000 Do you think that we should say nothing or that House Republicans should actually go on offense and try to really pin this down?

01:08:10.000 I tend to think that You right now you hold your fire mostly.

01:08:21.000 You sort of let it play out because it's painful enough to watch.

01:08:24.000 Never interrupt your opponent while he's making a mistake.

01:08:27.000 They attribute that to Napoleon.

01:08:30.000 I don't think he actually said it, but it's a good idea regardless.

01:08:33.000 I think it makes sense if it's not coming from Trump because then you just give them more opportunities

01:08:39.000 that they have to lie.

01:08:40.000 So you get them in front of a camera.

01:08:43.000 Don't do the staff depositions.

01:08:45.000 Don't have Trump be involved, right?

01:08:47.000 Make it Comer, make it the weaponization committee, make it one of these things to go in

01:08:51.000 and actually start getting, then they've already brought up, I think,

01:08:53.000 three officials from Jill Biden's office that are gonna be going in.

01:08:57.000 I just wanna see a steady stream of, like we're saying, opportunities for people from the White House

01:09:02.000 to explain to folks what's going on inside.

01:09:04.000 That's all it is.

01:09:05.000 you Yeah, I mean, keeping him on the back foot, there's an argument to be made there.

01:09:11.000 And not coming from Trump, I think that makes it better.

01:09:15.000 But you got to play your, just let them continue to implode.

01:09:19.000 Let the drama play out, because it's all crazy.

01:09:22.000 It's all crazy.

01:09:23.000 None of it's good.

01:09:24.000 And seeing, you know, you got to imagine, Jack, if Trump had Just a split press, 50-50, right?

01:09:34.000 Ensure alternative media and alternate channels have emerged and they're more powerful than they were, you know, four and certainly eight years ago.

01:09:41.000 But if Trump had just a little bit of honest media attention, I would assume his numbers would be five points higher, you know, in each election cycle, right?

01:09:52.000 But he was constantly, especially in 2020, I mean, it was just like 95-5.

01:09:57.000 There was that Harvard analysis about the press coverage of Donald Trump, and it was 95% negative, 5% positive.

01:10:04.000 So when you have this glaring onslaught of negative attention, just beaming down

01:10:11.000 on the Biden campaign and the Democrat machine at large, I mean, you're talking about like three

01:10:17.000 to probably seven points, somewhere in between there, that this is gonna drive down everything

01:10:22.000 across the board for the Democrats.

01:10:25.000 And I would say, yes, keep them on their back foot.

01:10:29.000 Keep raising questions they need to answer.

01:10:32.000 But don't turn it up to a ten.

01:10:34.000 I would say turn it up to a five or six.

01:10:36.000 Force questions in awkward press conferences.

01:10:39.000 Leave it at that.

01:10:40.000 And that's why, I mean, I sort of sympathize with Trump wanting to potentially delay his VP announcement because that's going to be a positive swing.

01:10:48.000 It's going to be a nice beam of attention.

01:10:52.000 And also wanting to wait to see what happens here because they're destroying themselves in real time.

01:10:57.000 None of us have ever seen anything like this.

01:10:59.000 I think that's safe to say.

01:11:01.000 Amen.

01:11:02.000 Blake, final thoughts?

01:11:04.000 I look forward to seeing how this ends, because yeah, we've never seen anything like it, and it's the addictive part of politics.

01:11:11.000 It's that real feeling that anything could happen, and it's all very entertaining.

01:11:15.000 And the best part is, it's almost entirely bad for people I dislike.

01:11:20.000 And so, the stakes are low, because almost regardless of what happens, people I dislike will be really unhappy.

01:11:26.000 So, as a future president once said, I like to see bad people fail.

01:11:32.000 I like to see bad people fail a once and future president.

01:11:36.000 Folks, thank you so much for watching ThoughtCrime this week.

01:11:40.000 Make sure you're following, you're subscribing on all the podcasts.

01:11:43.000 And remember, as always, go out there and commit more thought crimes.

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THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 51 — Joe Biden's "Big Boy" Press Conference

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