The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 52 — Kamala the Chameleon? Is the Polling Accurate?

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00:01:26.000 Okay everybody, it is Thought Crime Thursday.

00:01:29.000 We are here with Blake.

00:01:31.000 Do we have empty chair or Tyler?

00:01:33.000 We've got an empty chair right now.

00:01:34.000 We can still ask questions to it.

00:01:36.000 Tyler, how you doing?

00:01:37.000 Can we just show the empty chair?

00:01:39.000 There you go.

00:01:40.000 That's great.

00:01:42.000 And then, the great news today, New York Times bestselling author Jack Posobiec Jack, you have to now change your driver's license to New York Times best-selling author.

00:01:53.000 It is now in your intro, it's in your bio.

00:01:56.000 Jack, congratulations.

00:01:57.000 That's a big deal.

00:01:58.000 They'll never be able to take that away from you.

00:01:59.000 You are in the 1% of the 1% of all authors.

00:02:03.000 Tell us about how you were able to penetrate the New York Times Club.

00:02:09.000 Well, Charlie, I appreciate that.

00:02:10.000 And so look, it's just a testament to the book on humans, myself, Joshua Lysak, talking about the fact that we are going into and we are currently in, and what we call an irregular communist revolution, and the fact that the content stands on its own, but You know, really, I just have to thank so many people.

00:02:31.000 J.D.

00:02:31.000 Vance, of course, who blurbed the book, Tucker Carlson, who gave us a great platform, Donald Trump Jr., Lt.

00:02:36.000 General Flynn, Robert Stacey McCain from the American Spectator, Charlie, you, of course, gave Joshua and myself a fantastic, like, hour and a half long interview just about the book itself.

00:02:48.000 And really, I think it showed the movement coming together, but also this idea of, A new way of looking at, you know, at what it is that we're up against.

00:02:57.000 And the response was tremendous as it was.

00:02:59.000 So I will tell you actually that in the, without revealing too much, looking at the numbers and the fact that we had Publishers Weekly number one on our first week out, we could actually see the book scan.

00:03:12.000 Yet we actually, in the week we were released, we outsold every single book on the New York Times bestseller list.

00:03:19.000 And yet we were not included on the New York Times bestseller list.

00:03:22.000 And so there may have been some behind-the-scenes emailing and phone calling that went back and forth, and we were comparing data, and we were looking at different things.

00:03:33.000 And let's just say that I'm very glad that The New York Times decided to be on the right side of history and give the book its due, because it earned its place there.

00:03:43.000 It earned it through hard work, doing things the right way, and I appreciate the fact that they were able to come to terms with that.

00:03:50.000 Plus, by the way, huge shout out, not only JD Vance, having blurred the book, but he

00:03:55.000 also hit number one himself in his own right with Hillbilly Elegy, a book that came out

00:04:00.000 I think eight years ago when it was first published.

00:04:03.000 But it is also number one that just goes to show there's a huge interest in conservative

00:04:08.000 books and a huge interest in specifically these types of stories, which the, you know,

00:04:14.000 for lack of a better term, the new right, the new MAGA movement is putting out.

00:04:19.000 and you're seeing that reflected in the numbers.

00:04:22.000 That is very hard.

00:04:23.000 We did not make the bestseller list this summer, and you did.

00:04:27.000 We did it back on MAGA Doctrine, and we did that whole push.

00:04:30.000 Very, very hard to do that.

00:04:32.000 Now, Jack, you would agree, there's a lot of gamification.

00:04:34.000 We know the numbers should have penetrated, but you were able to do it.

00:04:38.000 You were able to jump right into it, and that's a very big deal.

00:04:41.000 Everyone check out Un-Humans.

00:04:44.000 It is a phenomenal book, and the episode we also have up on the Charlie Kirk podcast page.

00:04:49.000 Do we still have an empty chair, Blake?

00:04:51.000 We still got the empty chair, Charlie.

00:04:53.000 We're monitoring the situation here.

00:04:56.000 We're gazing at the chair right now.

00:05:00.000 I can see through the back to the red light that kind of glows through the chair.

00:05:04.000 It is... yeah, we've got...

00:05:08.000 There are no butts anywhere near it.

00:05:12.000 In Tyler's defense, he is hiring hundreds of ballot chasers right now, and he had a very good week getting rid of Stephen Richards, so he can come whenever he wants.

00:05:21.000 Shut it down.

00:05:21.000 We've got an update.

00:05:22.000 We've got an update. 0.98

00:05:24.000 We have a butt. 1.00

00:05:25.000 We have an American flag shirt. 0.98

00:05:26.000 American flag shirt it has the the boyar has landed it is in the chair it

00:05:35.000 It is in the chair.

00:05:36.000 Tyler, we were just talking about you.

00:05:37.000 We were talking about how, you know, punctual you are.

00:05:42.000 This is my problem.

00:05:44.000 They call this Mormon standard time.

00:05:46.000 This is 15 minutes later.

00:05:50.000 You know, every cultural ethnicity in America thinks that they have invented being late. 0.65

00:05:55.000 You got Cuban standard time, you got Mormon standard time. 1.00

00:05:57.000 Am I right, Jack?

00:05:58.000 It's like every group... Well, I guess that's the inverse of the Protestant work ethic, right? 0.81

00:06:04.000 So the WASP work ethic is you must be on time. 0.91

00:06:08.000 If you're not on time, you're late.

00:06:10.000 You know, if you're early, you're on time, etc.

00:06:12.000 But all of the other, you know, the ethnic groups out there are, you know, looking at that and saying, yeah, no, we're not on board with that one. 0.99

00:06:21.000 Which I can say, because by the way, the communities of color of the, I believe it was the Seattle and Portland area, have officially assigned the Slavic community to be considered a community of color.

00:06:35.000 So as a proud, and I've always identified as a person of Polish descent, I of course can claim that I am on Slavic People Time.

00:06:47.000 So Tyler, we want you to lead our conversation here because it will segue into the Kamala stuff.

00:06:51.000 But recap, Tyler, what happened with Stephen Richer, ballot chasing, and the primary this week in Arizona.

00:06:57.000 It was major news.

00:06:59.000 Walk us through what unfolded here in State 48.

00:07:02.000 Yeah, so I actually just got done.

00:07:04.000 That's why I was late.

00:07:05.000 We were on podcast with one of our ballot chasing managers who actually just won in city council here.

00:07:12.000 And we were breaking down some of the numbers just from a general's perspective.

00:07:17.000 The numbers are not yet in, Charlie, because they're still counting ballots across the state of Arizona.

00:07:23.000 There was a law that was passed this last session that forced them to count through the night.

00:07:28.000 But still there's people dragging their feet, so they're expecting that the the final ballots will be counted this this weekend and about another hundred thousand ballots, but there was a huge Tectonic shift that happened in this primary which number one a lot more Republicans showed up than Democrats to the primary so that's number one number two you had In Maricopa County, the guy that is the Chief Elections Official, his name is Stephen Richer.

00:07:54.000 We've covered him extensively.

00:07:56.000 If we remember the onesies, twosies with Bill Gates and Stephen Richer.

00:08:01.000 I don't know if we have a picture of him.

00:08:03.000 He was the guy that oversaw the disastrous election results that happened in 2022.

00:08:10.000 It was his first general election as the Chief Elections Officer.

00:08:13.000 And like half the polling places had issues in Maricopa County, refreshing everybody's memory.

00:08:18.000 That's the guy.

00:08:19.000 So he was up for a re-election and the internal polling had him up like 10 points.

00:08:24.000 Yeah, that's him.

00:08:25.000 There he is.

00:08:26.000 There's the guy.

00:08:27.000 Had him up 10 points in some of the internal polling.

00:08:31.000 He ended up losing in a three-way race where another conservative actually split the vote.

00:08:37.000 So this would have been an absolute Total walloping had it just been a one-on-one between Justin and him.

00:08:43.000 But Justin Heap, who is a Freedom Caucus member here in Arizona, he has a 100% score on the Turning Point Action Scorecard.

00:08:52.000 He's a full Patriot.

00:08:54.000 Took him on, challenged him, and it was the biggest upset of the evening, which was that Justin Heap defeated Steven Richer by a pretty decent margin.

00:09:04.000 I think the last check was about six points.

00:09:08.000 And so that was the late breaking news that happened here in Arizona this week.

00:09:13.000 Why this matters so much is because Stephen Richard was the face of Lincoln Project style Republicans here, which are very few.

00:09:25.000 They're really Democrats.

00:09:27.000 The Democrats really didn't field a legit candidate because this was the Democrats' pick.

00:09:33.000 So he got a lot of Democrat support, a lot of Democrat money in the primary, and still the grassroots was able to, with very minimal resources, was able to upset, spread the word, and defeat Stephen Richer.

00:09:47.000 So that's a big deal for a couple different reasons we can get into, but it definitely helps Trump through November here in Arizona.

00:09:55.000 So I think that's, first of all, congratulations Tyler and Turning Point Action.

00:09:59.000 Tyler, can you give some idea, without any numbers because we don't want to totally tell our enemy what we have here in Arizona ahead of November, but can you just give some idea of a ballpark scale of what we saw here on the ground in the primary and why that could be predictive heading into November?

00:10:19.000 Yeah, so our job, Charlie, was really simple.

00:10:21.000 We wanted to use the primary as a practice ground with our ballot chasing army.

00:10:26.000 And we have a lot of volunteers.

00:10:27.000 We have a lot of full-time people that were chasing ballots and using this as practice, knowing that we weren't going to get Absolutely everybody out.

00:10:35.000 Primaries generally in most places in America have turnouts around 20%.

00:10:40.000 That's an average primary.

00:10:42.000 I'm just giving kind of a ballpark for most Americans just to have a good idea.

00:10:46.000 A really exciting primary will sometimes have upwards of 30%.

00:10:51.000 Turnout, that's a primary election in America.

00:10:54.000 Most general elections usually are like 60, historically have been 60 to 70 percent turnout.

00:11:00.000 So that just gives you an idea.

00:11:01.000 So it's usually less than half of who actually turns out in the general.

00:11:06.000 We saw Charlie in some of our key target precincts close to 50 percent turnout in this primary.

00:11:14.000 We're still waiting for the data to come in, so we don't want to get overly excited.

00:11:18.000 But I think we will have a couple of precincts, at least, that break that.

00:11:22.000 I mean, we're talking, in some states, that's general election numbers for turnout for Republicans.

00:11:28.000 And this is Republicans, right?

00:11:29.000 So that tells you a couple different things.

00:11:31.000 One, we have a really exciting year ahead of us.

00:11:34.000 That's a good sign ahead of this general election.

00:11:37.000 But two, the ballot chasing works.

00:11:39.000 Ballot chasing works. 0.94

00:11:41.000 We hear all the time, Charlie hears all the time at FreedomAtCharlieCrook.com, you can't overcome the machines.

00:11:46.000 You're going to lose, just like all this blackpilling type stuff on the election manipulation the Democrats participate in.

00:11:53.000 And they're not wrong.

00:11:54.000 There is tons of manipulation.

00:11:56.000 Not always the way that they describe it, but it's sometimes a little bit more in the weeds.

00:12:00.000 But this election in particular, why I'm so excited about it, is if they could have done anything to save Stephen Richard, they would have.

00:12:08.000 And they were unable to.

00:12:10.000 They were unable to.

00:12:11.000 This is the most important part.

00:12:13.000 So I want to interject for a second here.

00:12:15.000 The national news media was lamenting the defeat of Stephen Richard.

00:12:19.000 So we agree, our elections are flawed.

00:12:21.000 But if they are flawed beyond repair or flawed beyond any chance of victory, they would have done Venezuela for Stephen Richard.

00:12:29.000 Right, Tyler?

00:12:30.000 They would have pulled out everything.

00:12:32.000 What we were able to prove is that yes, there are major issues.

00:12:36.000 However, they are overcomable with good candidate, grassroots work, and grassroots hustle.

00:12:44.000 That's right, Charlie.

00:12:45.000 And this is really critical for those that are listening at home in Pennsylvania, in Georgia, in places where we've just been, in Michigan, where the election laws are absolutely horrendous, in Wisconsin, where there's so many of our grassroots that just don't trust the process, and rightfully so, that you can overcome things, you can win.

00:13:07.000 Now, you gotta keep in mind, anytime that you oust a incumbent, Doesn't matter if it's if it's ours or theirs, meaning on the more moderate side or the more conservative side, it makes it organically more difficult to win in the general.

00:13:23.000 Doesn't matter who it is, because you have to be able to reintroduce this person to the entire society.

00:13:29.000 And remember, majority of those people don't vote in a primary.

00:13:33.000 So presidential year, you have everybody voting for the most part.

00:13:37.000 You have to introduce these people.

00:13:38.000 So it is really incumbent upon the Republican Party on every major person.

00:13:44.000 And I'll give Carrie Lake a lot of credit.

00:13:45.000 She has been right there, right behind Justin Heap, you know, saying his name to as many people, giving the full support.

00:13:52.000 But you need Trump.

00:13:53.000 You need the campaigns.

00:13:54.000 You need the state parties.

00:13:55.000 You need the local parties all reintroducing this person and saying, this is the guy we totally trust.

00:14:01.000 Otherwise you run the risk of losing no matter who that is.

00:14:05.000 That is true everywhere.

00:14:07.000 So that's not unique to Arizona.

00:14:09.000 That is true everywhere.

00:14:10.000 And so a lot of people who consider themselves conservative, MAGA, you have to keep in mind that when we win, the game's not over today.

00:14:21.000 This is the starting line.

00:14:24.000 We have to work together to be able to reintroduce to the entire Republican Party who these people are.

00:14:29.000 So let me nationalize this.

00:14:31.000 I believe that in a week where there's been some tough news items, this was the best news of the week.

00:14:37.000 That what happened in Arizona, showing that the strength of the grassroots, the turnout, that is a very strong prediction.

00:14:45.000 By the way, Tyler will reinforce this.

00:14:48.000 We have hundreds of thousands of registered Republicans that do not live here over the summer.

00:14:52.000 They live in Illinois or Wisconsin or Indiana.

00:14:56.000 So the state actually gets redder and redder the closer we get to November.

00:15:00.000 Now let me now talk about Kamala Harris here in regards to this.

00:15:03.000 I think it's important.

00:15:04.000 And then I want to go to you, Jack.

00:15:06.000 So there is a fair amount of just doom looping that is happening because we grew so used

00:15:11.000 to running up against a corpse, Joe Biden.

00:15:14.000 Some people in the audience are not sure what's going on.

00:15:16.000 The race looks like it's tightening, and it is.

00:15:18.000 However, this is not the time to panic.

00:15:20.000 In fact, some of the fundamentals are actually very healthy.

00:15:23.000 Let me highlight three different data points.

00:15:26.000 Number one, according to a very, very trusted poll, Donald Trump is up 10 points in Ohio.

00:15:32.000 If that ends up materializing, that'll be two points better than 2020.

00:15:37.000 Secondly, a University of North Florida poll, which is a great pollster, shows Donald Trump up seven in Florida, which is three and a half points better, nearly double the amount of margin of victory back in 2020.

00:15:49.000 And finally, there's a series of polls.

00:15:51.000 One showed that Kamala Harris is up in Arizona.

00:15:54.000 That one's a little hard to believe, but another one showed that Donald Trump was up five, another Trump up six.

00:15:58.000 The point I'm getting at here is that even though she is having a little bit of a honeymoon period, That we are stronger than we were in 2020 in Ohio, stronger than we were in 2020 in Florida.

00:16:10.000 Now mind you, those are not the swing states that will determine the entire election.

00:16:13.000 Those are solidly red.

00:16:16.000 However, it is important to understand that this is by no means a collapse.

00:16:19.000 This is not a panic.

00:16:21.000 This is a little bit of what we could call Democrats coming home.

00:16:25.000 Against Joe Biden, only 72% of Democrats were voting for Joe Biden or comfortable with Joe Biden.

00:16:34.000 Now, 91%.

00:16:35.000 91% of Democrats are voting for Kamala Harris, whereas 92% of Republicans are voting for Donald Trump.

00:16:41.000 So what you have not seen is necessarily Kamala Harris winning over independents.

00:16:44.000 She's simply bringing Democrats back home. 1.00

00:16:47.000 That is how I view the state of the race.

00:16:49.000 This is going to be an annoying August where Democrats are going to get a lot of positive headlines, VP rollout.

00:16:54.000 Kamala Harris's convention, but we must continue to define the terms, who she is, what she stands

00:17:00.000 for, how she's unlikable, how she is mean, how she is fake, how she is phony and radical. 1.00

00:17:05.000 Jack Posobiec, your thoughts on the state of the race? 0.58

00:17:07.000 Look, I think there's a lot of blackmailing going on out there, but at the same time,

00:17:11.000 keep in mind that it was the movement that you're seeing, the enthusiasm that you're seeing,

00:17:17.000 is all on the Democrat side.

00:17:20.000 So this goes to show you that, okay, guess what?

00:17:24.000 We thought it was going to be this big blowout with Joe Biden on the ballot, and it probably was shaping up to be that way.

00:17:30.000 It was Donald Trump versus a non-candidate.

00:17:33.000 But people also have to realize that, and I think some people are, but I want to hear, and I was at the Trump rally last night in Harrisburg and he spoke to this as well.

00:17:41.000 He didn't talk about Kamala Harris very much.

00:17:44.000 What he really focused on more was the system that we're up against.

00:17:49.000 And he of course uses this line again and again with, you know, they're not really

00:17:54.000 after me, they're after you, I'm just in the way. So yes, I think he needs to frame the race 0.92

00:17:59.000 as himself versus the system, that Kamala is just whatever current avatar of the system

00:18:05.000 that they have. That's how you get centrists back on board. That's how you get these

00:18:10.000 independents back on board. Plus the enthusiastic base support that he's already got. Of

00:18:17.000 course, we saw that in droves in Pennsylvania and in Harrisburg and then driving up here to Butler,

00:18:22.000 Pennsylvania, you know, just flags and signs all over the place in western Pennsylvania. And

00:18:28.000 so there's no question. The key difference, I think, really is that what they're.

00:18:33.000 What they're trying to push now is this new narrative candidate.

00:18:37.000 And I really do think that there's a lot of definitional issues going on.

00:18:41.000 JD Vance, by the way, has a great job of this.

00:18:44.000 And I got to say that JD Vance fighting back against the narrative with his own narrative.

00:18:49.000 What did he do today that we haven't seen him do yet on the trail?

00:18:52.000 He put the flannel on.

00:18:54.000 He was down at the border.

00:18:55.000 He was walking around looking like a member of the muscular class.

00:19:00.000 It was the inner hillbilly was coming out.

00:19:03.000 I've said this on Twitter a couple of times, but you had hillbilly elegy.

00:19:08.000 Now we need hillbilly energy. 0.98

00:19:11.000 Actually embrace that.

00:19:12.000 Lean into it.

00:19:13.000 Show that JD Vance is a man of the people.

00:19:15.000 Show that JD Vance isn't just talking about the forgotten men and women.

00:19:19.000 He literally is one of them and talking about stories about how when he was growing up and when his mother would take drugs or opioids before the vental crisis and would take that and he would be sitting there as a little boy holding his mom's hand waiting for her to wake up.

00:19:36.000 Those are the types of stories that you need to be using and I think it's fantastic that he's telling those stories.

00:19:42.000 That's how you respond.

00:19:44.000 To Kamala Harris.

00:19:45.000 It's not necessarily by trying to refute her every point here or there because she's not making any points.

00:19:51.000 Her whole points are, vote for me because of my identity.

00:19:54.000 That's it.

00:19:55.000 She's not pointing at anything she's done.

00:19:56.000 She's not pointing at any record.

00:19:58.000 But unfortunately, because of the chronic propaganda that's going on in this country for 40 to 50 years now, there are millions of Americans that will vote because of that.

00:20:07.000 they'll vote just for the narrative.

00:20:08.000 What J.D. Vance has started to do and is really doing writ large,

00:20:12.000 leaning into hillbilly elegy and standing up for a group of people

00:20:16.000 that have been largely forgotten, which, oh, by the way,

00:20:19.000 and this speaks to the strategic importance of the pick, those groups of people are centralized

00:20:26.000 in the exact states that Donald Trump needs to win in order to return to the White House.

00:20:33.000 Yeah, and the fundamentals are still good, and they're not going to change dramatically.

00:20:37.000 People are not happy with the direction of the country.

00:20:39.000 They can't afford groceries.

00:20:40.000 They're upset about the border.

00:20:41.000 No matter how much Kamala propaganda that there is, Kamala propaganda that there is, that is not going to change.

00:20:47.000 This is J.D.

00:20:47.000 Vance with that Hillbilly energy.

00:20:50.000 J.D.

00:20:50.000 Vance has had a great couple of days, and he's been treated very, very unfairly.

00:20:54.000 We should get into the whole J.D.

00:20:55.000 Vance thing, because he is the pro-family candidate.

00:20:58.000 If you want to have a family, if you have a strong family, and you believe in strong families, J.D.

00:21:05.000 Vance is your guy.

00:21:06.000 The Democrats do not believe in families, and they never have.

00:21:09.000 This is a wonderful clip.

00:21:10.000 Play Cut 136.

00:21:12.000 A former president's comments yesterday to the National Association of Black Journalists where he said that Vice President Harris is, quote, all of a sudden black.

00:21:19.000 As a father of three biracial children, did those comments give you pause at all?

00:21:23.000 They don't give me pause at all.

00:21:25.000 Look, all he said is that Kamala Harris is a chameleon. 0.98

00:21:27.000 She goes to Georgia two days ago.

00:21:29.000 She was raised in Canada.

00:21:30.000 She puts on a fake southern accent.

00:21:32.000 She is everything to everybody and she pretends to be somebody different depending on which audience she's in front of. 0.73

00:21:38.000 I think it's totally reasonable for the president to call that out.

00:21:41.000 And that's all he did.

00:21:42.000 I mean, look, she's running as a tough-on-crime prosecutor even though she implemented open border policy. 0.98

00:21:47.000 She's saying that she wants to support the police, yet she wanted to defund the police just three years ago.

00:21:52.000 It's totally reasonable to call out the fact that she pretends to be somebody different depending on the audience she's talking to.

00:21:59.000 Blake, your thoughts on this, on not just the J.D.

00:22:01.000 Vance take, but the state of the race.

00:22:05.000 Alright, finally.

00:22:06.000 I wasn't here last week, Charlie.

00:22:07.000 I didn't get to talk about Kamala.

00:22:09.000 I have a lot to say about Kamala.

00:22:11.000 I feel like I am going insane.

00:22:13.000 Like, I am becoming a crazy person over the last two weeks.

00:22:17.000 Like, from the amount of whiplash, from the amount of, I apologize for using this word, but gaslighting of me about Kamala by the press, by the internet.

00:22:27.000 And you know me, I like to fuss where I'll be like, well what about this thing, Charlie, that happened two years ago?

00:22:33.000 But it's really bad with Kamala.

00:22:36.000 Like, she ran in 2019. 0.99

00:22:38.000 I remember this, you remember this, a lot of people remember it.

00:22:41.000 Uh, like...

00:22:44.000 She ran for president, she got 15% off one of these media, you know, force memes like this where they just talk about how great she is and they talk about her a lot and they got her up to, you know, 15-16%.

00:22:55.000 She was polling, I think she topped out in second place behind Biden in 2019. 0.59

00:23:01.000 She's in that debate where she says that Joe Biden, you know, came onto her school bus to grab her and say like, You can't go to the school with white children!

00:23:10.000 And he, like, dragged her off to the segregated school.

00:23:13.000 That was, you know, this whole bit she did.

00:23:15.000 And, you know, that little girl was me.

00:23:18.000 And it was probably made up.

00:23:21.000 At least, you know, at least in the details of how she described it.

00:23:24.000 And so they really pushed her, and then she fell apart.

00:23:27.000 She fell apart because her campaign was badly run, it was badly managed its money, staff were unhappy and miserable, and it was basically a total disaster.

00:23:38.000 And the reason she got picked as vice president was not because of any special qualities she had, it was because Biden had to cut a deal to win South Carolina, and it appears that that deal was basically, you will choose an African American as your vice president, and he wanted to pick a woman for vice president.

00:23:54.000 So, right down there, you're down to 5% of the population, 5-6% of the population is eligible for the vice presidential pick.

00:24:03.000 And there were basically three or four people on the short list.

00:24:07.000 And we just throw that all away.

00:24:08.000 You know there's a hilarious story.

00:24:10.000 I'll go back to you in a sec, Blake.

00:24:11.000 But you know there's a hilarious story there.

00:24:13.000 So Joe Biden makes this pledge privately with Jim Clyburn, who basically runs South Carolina.

00:24:17.000 And Jim Clyburn says, OK, you have to say in the debate that you're going to pick a black running mate.

00:24:22.000 And Joe Biden's like, you got it.

00:24:23.000 And it's like three-fourths of the debate and Joe Biden forgot to say it.

00:24:26.000 And so there's like that like 90-second intermission where they say, we'll be right back after a commercial break.

00:24:31.000 And Jim Clyburn literally gets up out of the stands, out of the seats, and goes onto the stage.

00:24:36.000 And everyone's like, what is Jim Clyburn doing?

00:24:38.000 He just like bulldozes through people, goes right up to Joe Biden and literally is like, you need to mention the fact you're going to put a black person on the ticket. 0.96

00:24:49.000 It's a true story.

00:24:50.000 I'm telling you, it is a true story.

00:24:53.000 And he's like, I totally forgot.

00:24:54.000 And then he mentions it.

00:24:55.000 If you can go look at the tape, you can pull the tape right after the commercial break.

00:25:00.000 Mr. Biden, going back to you, what is your stance on the Green New Deal?

00:25:04.000 And he says... 0.68

00:25:06.000 That's why I'll put a black person as my running mate. 1.00

00:25:08.000 It's one of the greatest stories where Jim Clyburn basically just starts climbing over people.

00:25:14.000 Alright, so Blake, continue.

00:25:16.000 Sorry, it's a funny little sidebar.

00:25:17.000 That's an amazing story.

00:25:18.000 I can't believe I hadn't heard that.

00:25:21.000 That's amazing.

00:25:22.000 I've never heard that story before.

00:25:23.000 That's an incredible story.

00:25:24.000 I've got to go look up that.

00:25:25.000 We need to pull that clip.

00:25:26.000 That's amazing.

00:25:27.000 If we can find a clip, that's incredible.

00:25:29.000 So yeah, that's all preface to say.

00:25:31.000 So she has a disastrous campaign. 0.91

00:25:34.000 She has a disastrous vice presidency.

00:25:35.000 And this isn't the New York Post, this isn't the National Review, this isn't Breitbart reporting this.

00:25:41.000 The New York Times and Washington Post are putting out articles where they're just ponderously going, yeah, you know...

00:25:47.000 Kamala has struggled to define her role in this administration.

00:25:51.000 And then you dig into the details and it's that everything that's given her as a portfolio is a total disaster.

00:25:58.000 She can't handle it.

00:25:59.000 She does some cringe video. 0.90

00:26:00.000 Looks like a mess.

00:26:01.000 She can't keep any of her staff.

00:26:03.000 They all quit. 1.00

00:26:03.000 They're all miserable. 1.00

00:26:04.000 They're all unhappy. 1.00

00:26:06.000 And just total disaster zone.

00:26:09.000 No one thinks that if you had an open primary for the Democrat nomination that Kamala would have won it.

00:26:15.000 No one was excited to have her take over after Joe Biden.

00:26:19.000 Nobody was thinking Kamala was the natural heir apparent.

00:26:22.000 And basically they go with her because they're desperate and they think if we have an open primary it'll rip the party apart and we'll lose.

00:26:29.000 And we're just suddenly chucking all of this, just mass hallucination, where we're suddenly going like, Kamala is brat.

00:26:37.000 Kamala's great.

00:26:38.000 Kamala is definitely qualified for this office. 1.00

00:26:40.000 Kamala definitely is not just one disastrous, like, you know, Peter Principal promotion.

00:26:46.000 She just fails and gets promoted over and over again.

00:26:50.000 And that's not even getting into the stuff where people aren't bringing it up because they're worried it'll just be received badly or sound wrong.

00:26:58.000 It is 100% objectively true that Kamala got a job paying her $150,000 a year to attend two meetings a month paid for by California taxpayers because her boyfriend, who was married and 30 years older than her, Just gave it to her.

00:27:17.000 And you can find California newspapers saying, oh, it's really remarkable how Kamala was given this job she's not qualified for.

00:27:24.000 She's the companion of Willie Brown and patronage California.

00:27:29.000 That's how it works.

00:27:30.000 That's her entire career! 1.00

00:27:32.000 And we're just throwing this all out, and we're like, oh, it makes perfect sense to run this person for president.

00:27:36.000 Can I ask, quick, just while you're on that note, it seems like there's so many conservatives that are kind of falling for it, though.

00:27:42.000 Have you noticed this, that, you know, in your view of the whole situation in your self-imposed exile last week, that it seems like a lot of conservatives and, like, right or right adjacent commentators are just going along with it.

00:27:58.000 They really are!

00:27:59.000 I think I saw this repeatedly that you know it was Dane like they're saying don't touch certain parts of Kamala's history and I agree it's tough there are ways that can go astray but I do think With Trump, everyone he's gone against, there's almost been one of his strengths is he finds that fatal flaw with a person and he picks at it over and over again.

00:28:20.000 So with Hillary, it was Crooked Hillary.

00:28:23.000 She's the swamp personified. 0.97

00:28:25.000 She's obviously dealing influence for money. 1.00

00:28:29.000 Clinton Foundation's a giant grift.

00:28:31.000 With Jeb Bush, that fatal flaw was Jeb Bush really didn't want to be president.

00:28:38.000 He was kind of running out of obligation.

00:28:40.000 He just represented this machine and he was the next man up and no one really wanted this guy and he didn't want it. 0.99

00:28:46.000 With Governor DeSantis, frankly, he's kind of a dork. 0.98

00:28:53.000 And Trump really hit at that. 0.98

00:28:55.000 He can do that to Republicans as well as Democrats.

00:28:58.000 With Kamala, I think the fatal flaw is she's fake. 0.99

00:29:02.000 She is a scam. 0.94

00:29:04.000 Everything you are being told about her is like the ad campaign for a bad movie or a bad TV show. 0.56

00:29:10.000 I think I saw on Twitter someone joked that Kamala Harris is like one of those Star Wars spinoff shows that gets a 95% on Rotten Tomatoes, but then the audience reviews are 30% positive.

00:29:23.000 It's a lot like that.

00:29:25.000 We're having all these people come out and pretending that Kamala's amazing, when we have literally decades of evidence of people on Kamala's own side believing, no, Kamala is not amazing. 1.00

00:29:36.000 She's dumb. 1.00

00:29:37.000 She has no principles. 1.00

00:29:38.000 She's not really qualified for all of the jobs that she is given.

00:29:42.000 She's not good at running organizations. 1.00

00:29:44.000 She doesn't inspire loyalty. 0.75

00:29:47.000 Look at Trump.

00:29:48.000 There are people who have worked for Trump for decades on end who say great things about Trump.

00:29:52.000 There's tons of great stories about how Trump gets along great with, you know, his caddies, with waiters.

00:29:58.000 He's a generous tipper.

00:29:59.000 There's a lot of people who have these warm interactions with Trump throughout his life.

00:30:04.000 And there's like none of that for Kamala! 0.91

00:30:07.000 People hate Kamala! 1.00

00:30:09.000 So which goes to my idea, which I am pushing privately and publicly, and I've told the entire team, and I gotta call Trump about this and give him my opinion, which I don't care.

00:30:18.000 I don't care if it's my idea or not.

00:30:19.000 Do you guys all agree, yes debate, town hall format, the best for Trump to be able to interact and contrast with Kamala Harris?

00:30:28.000 Does everyone agree that that is the best venue for him to be able to succeed in that format and potentially even gain votes?

00:30:36.000 I definitely think so.

00:30:37.000 I think you need—Kamala, she can definitely do a canned line. 1.00

00:30:44.000 She did it in the debates in 2019, where she basically, you know, she got her 60 seconds to go blast Joe Biden, and the press probably tipped off. 0.99

00:30:54.000 This is what she would say beforehand.

00:30:55.000 We're all there to say like, oh, Kamala made a strong showing in this debate.

00:30:59.000 But if you can muddle that even a bit, if you do a town hall where the questions are, you know, they're phrased a bit weirdly because it's an ordinary person, or you just, you put her in a situation where she has to think on her feet and she cannot get away with recite a 60-second bit that she memorized beforehand, it goes badly.

00:31:18.000 When she had that okay showing in the first Democrat debate, Everyone after that, she was a mess, because other Democrats would take shots at her, and she couldn't handle it. 1.00

00:31:27.000 When she has to think on her feet as Vice President, she starts talking in baby talk! 0.97

00:31:32.000 That's another thing they're just memory-holing, that she goes on a radio show, they ask her about Ukraine, and she describes Ukraine and Russia like the audience are literally in second grade.

00:31:43.000 And she does that repeatedly. 1.00

00:31:45.000 She is not good.

00:31:46.000 I would.

00:31:47.000 This is something I've always defended Kamala Harris on.

00:31:50.000 And I know that it's like, wait, what?

00:31:52.000 No, but let me explain.

00:31:54.000 So when she says Ukraine and Russia, like Ukraine's a small country and Russia's a big 0.98

00:31:58.000 country, like obviously that's very silly and childish. 0.93

00:32:01.000 But there's something else that's more to the point. 0.96

00:32:03.000 She's right about that.

00:32:05.000 This has actually become a huge issue in the Ukraine war because Russia just has more resources to bring to bear.

00:32:13.000 And they're like, oh, Russia's losing soldiers and Russia's doing this, doing that.

00:32:16.000 And it's like, yeah, but Ukraine lost their entire army.

00:32:19.000 So it's actually something where it's like she was kind of right, but for the completely wrong reasons.

00:32:25.000 And yet all of the experts are completely wrong also for the wrong reasons.

00:32:31.000 I'll say this, it's kind of interesting, I think that, I'll add context to what Jack is saying, I'm a big believer in speaking simple in politics.

00:32:43.000 I think the Republican Party got so into this whole Koch era, like every state needs to have these think tanks, and we need to talk like we're Stephen Moore at every dinner table, and everybody hates that. 0.95

00:32:58.000 And I get your point that she's so obnoxiously stupid and silly and really has no idea what she's talking about, but I think more people take away from Kamala Harris that listen to her of like, oh, she's relatable, and I understand what she's saying, and all of these things, right? 0.97

00:33:14.000 And again, I think this is part of the virtue of Donald Trump, too, is that our side, especially the regular man, listens to Donald Trump and they go, oh, I get what he's saying. 0.99

00:33:25.000 I get what he's talking about.

00:33:26.000 And unfortunately for America, Kamala's baby talk, simplistic overtones that she has with every single issue that's brought to her as Vice President of the United States of America, a heartbeat away from the presidency. 1.00

00:33:42.000 She probably should be the president right now because who knows what Joe Biden's doing in real life.

00:33:47.000 But this is something that works, unfortunately, with most of America.

00:33:52.000 And you know that's true.

00:33:52.000 Oh man.

00:33:53.000 If you're... Yeah, but you know it's true.

00:33:55.000 If you're right, we're so doomed.

00:33:56.000 We're just gonna have Baby Talk president and she'll have 70% approval and they'll just be like, I like... Well, hold on.

00:34:05.000 I want to say though that there's a place for sophisticated language.

00:34:08.000 I think part of Vivek's appeal was that he would use bigger words and increased vocabulary.

00:34:14.000 I think it's actually how you present it.

00:34:16.000 If you talk really, really fast, Like Vivek does, or Ben Shapiro does, or at times I do, I think that anybody can be appealing to that, because it almost kind of becomes a performance sport.

00:34:25.000 But if you talk really slow with big words, people just kind of lose you.

00:34:30.000 They're like, what are you saying?

00:34:31.000 It's like lead guitar.

00:34:33.000 It's like, not everybody can play guitar, but if you can play guitar slowly, people are like, okay, fine, whatever, you're in a bar or something.

00:34:40.000 But if you're like Steve Vai up there or, you know, Kirk Hammett going at it or Billy Corgan or something, suddenly people are like, oh, wow, that's amazing.

00:34:48.000 Even if, you know, it's totally beyond their ken.

00:34:50.000 Well, and I'll kind of add this.

00:34:52.000 This is part of the whole turning point appeal, which is like, again, I think of it in terms of the conservative movement.

00:35:00.000 Think tank language, like Charlie said, has a place.

00:35:04.000 The place just happens to not be in like presidential elections, unfortunately.

00:35:10.000 It has, I think it has more appeal in a primary setting where you have, you know, probably more aware and interested folks.

00:35:17.000 Engaged.

00:35:18.000 Engaged.

00:35:18.000 I actually think that this is the scary point to what you're bringing up.

00:35:22.000 Kamala's a more dangerous general candidate than she is a primary candidate. 1.00

00:35:27.000 It could be true.

00:35:27.000 I do think, I hope, this is really just hope I should say, I hope that, I think you can be more simple, more direct if it helps that the sense is that you're being honest and maybe being serious.

00:35:42.000 That's really what stands out about Trump.

00:35:44.000 Trump kind of, he had this power starting all the way back in 2015 that he could cut through BS and that was the directness of Trump that was appealing.

00:35:54.000 Come down the escalator.

00:35:55.000 I need to come out and say, all the stuff they're saying is complex about the border. 0.99

00:36:00.000 That's all crap. 1.00

00:36:03.000 It's a bunch of criminals and rapists and drug dealers and murderers are crossing the border. 1.00

00:36:07.000 Send them back. 1.00

00:36:08.000 Build a wall.

00:36:09.000 And that's straightforward.

00:36:11.000 And it's not straightforward in a I'm-talking-to-a-baby sort of sense.

00:36:14.000 It's straightforward in the sense of this is a clear moral issue.

00:36:18.000 This is a clear policy issue.

00:36:20.000 America's interest is clear.

00:36:22.000 So you don't need to make it all nuanced.

00:36:24.000 Same thing with the wars.

00:36:25.000 He would say Iraq is a disaster, the wars are a disaster, we're going to cut them out. 1.00

00:36:31.000 I feel like with Kamala, she doesn't do that, at least in the clips that go viral for us.

00:36:37.000 It's simple in the sense of she's doing a rehearsed politician bit.

00:36:43.000 And she's not good at it so she has to do like the I'm a I'm a fifth grader playing a vice president. 1.00

00:36:49.000 Yeah.

00:36:50.000 Except now she actually is running and we're going to be punished with this because we are a sinful nation.

00:36:56.000 So let me just say one thing about uh so this has been memory hold it's so hard to find by the way I will give a hundred dollars Okay, you hear that, Ryan?

00:37:05.000 $250.

00:37:05.000 No.

00:37:05.000 I've spent hours looking for this.

00:37:07.000 And I'm sure you guys have had this experience.

00:37:09.000 This was back in 2016, where, and this has been totally memory hold, of this PhD who studies language.

00:37:17.000 What would you, what would that be called?

00:37:18.000 An entomologist, Blake?

00:37:21.000 Someone who studies...

00:37:22.000 What?

00:37:23.000 Like, studies language, you said?

00:37:25.000 Yeah, not a linguist.

00:37:27.000 No, it's someone who studies the roots of words and where they come from.

00:37:31.000 I think that's an etymologist.

00:37:32.000 Anyway, so, etymology.

00:37:34.000 Etymology, etymology.

00:37:35.000 Yes, okay.

00:37:39.000 So they, it could be a mixture between a linguist and an entomologist.

00:37:42.000 Anyway, so he was a PhD, and this was back in August of 2016, and he basically went on some show, and he said, Donald Trump's gonna win the presidency.

00:37:52.000 And everyone laughed, like, the host was like, what are you talking about?

00:37:54.000 He's like, I study language for a living, and let me show you why.

00:37:57.000 And it was this amazing five-minute video where he just took a random Donald Trump interview, and he says he does not use words that are more than two syllables unless he absolutely has to.

00:38:07.000 And the way he talks in the choppy manner is so digestible and it resonates with people in such a way.

00:38:13.000 He said this is 40 years of somebody that has studied himself on TV and that has made his speech patterns in the highest impactful way that a human being possibly can.

00:38:25.000 And he said this has been trained into him for 40 years.

00:38:28.000 And for example, he'll just say, and the war in Iraq was a mess.

00:38:33.000 It was a mess.

00:38:33.000 It was terrible.

00:38:34.000 It was awful.

00:38:35.000 I mean, it's very precise language, hard punching.

00:38:39.000 I wish I could find that video.

00:38:40.000 It's so powerful.

00:38:41.000 And he accurately said that he was able to talk to the common man.

00:38:45.000 Do you know what I'm talking about, Jack?

00:38:47.000 I can't find it.

00:38:48.000 It's been buried.

00:38:49.000 It went viral in 2016 a couple of times.

00:38:51.000 Yeah.

00:38:51.000 Yes.

00:38:52.000 Yes, it did.

00:38:53.000 And he broke it down from the actual, he has like an equation where he's like, if it's more than XYZ syllables over 500 words, you're going to lose the audience.

00:39:02.000 If it's less than XYZ syllables, then you're able to maintain the audience.

00:39:06.000 And he has this equation and Donald Trump got like the highest or lowest score, as you will. 0.91

00:39:10.000 And he says, usually the people who get low scores are considered to be dumb, but in presidential politics, this is actually how you win. 0.93

00:39:16.000 Yeah. 0.85

00:39:17.000 And that's why I think Kamala is so dangerous in a general is because her simplistic nature actually is a huge asset, especially because she's basically like a Manchurian candidate. 1.00

00:39:29.000 So, I mean, they can literally just stick her out just for simple things, say things in very scripted format, and then hide her.

00:39:37.000 And this is like, this is what they do.

00:39:39.000 This is like the Katie Hobbs thing, like Katie Hobbs never came out of her hole except for very few things.

00:39:44.000 Here in Arizona, we have a few other examples of this where it's like when they don't trust you, they won't stick you out.

00:39:50.000 That is actually the biggest best defense against Donald Trump that the Democrats could play.

00:39:56.000 That is the that is the game that they play.

00:39:58.000 We know that they're playing this.

00:40:00.000 So to that point, like she's we got to try to force her to come out and talk more because the more she talks to Charlie's point is like The more she's going to lose people and the more people are going to resonate with Donald Trump.

00:40:13.000 But this is like this week is a perfect example is Donald Trump is outgoing long form in things which is not his strong suit.

00:40:20.000 Right.

00:40:20.000 And we're talking about like this this interview that happened this week and it's like Yeah, I'm not bothered by it.

00:40:27.000 I think it's funny.

00:40:28.000 I think it's hilarious.

00:40:28.000 There's so many good clips, but the average American is only reading the short, quipped headlines and the soundbites that they chop up.

00:40:39.000 It is really hard to soundbite.

00:40:42.000 A lot of what Donald Trump does is because of what Charlie's talking about right now, what he's referencing.

00:40:46.000 Yeah, one thing I like to point out with Trump is they'll say people say he's like dumb or whatever and actually if you look at sometimes even when his language is confusing it's because it's almost it's like overloaded with ideas that he's struggling to like efficiently put out.

00:41:04.000 One that stood out to me even yesterday was when he was at the black journalist event is they made a quip about like the vice presidency and why the pick matters and he kind of just says in passing he's like yeah you know one of the things about the vice president uh pick is it doesn't matter for the race as much as people think it does so you know kind of saying you pick them for the actual successor thing not just to win states

00:41:29.000 And he's like, and you know, in the past it hasn't mattered much except, you know, for LBJ who it mattered, but for a political reason, not an electoral one.

00:41:36.000 And so like what he's actually saying there, and he doesn't elaborate on this and you have to be a nerd to even notice it, but he's basically saying picking LBJ mattered because he helped JFK steal the election in Texas in 1960, which is this stray fact Donald Trump happens to remember and know about that he probably learned Decades ago, maybe someone, he read the Caro book or someone summarized it to him, or he just remembers the election.

00:42:02.000 And he just like sort of alludes to this in passing.

00:42:04.000 99% of the people are just going to think he's being confusing, but that's clearly what he's actually referencing.

00:42:12.000 He's like overloaded with ideas and that's why he can be so effective just going for hours on end.

00:42:19.000 That's why he can actually sometimes be, he can just talk for two hours and it'll almost be tedious because he's got so much stuff he can recall.

00:42:27.000 He doesn't need the notes, doesn't need a teleprompter.

00:42:29.000 He can just go.

00:42:32.000 Even, yeah, Andrew says, even when Trump is telling a fib, he's actually telling the truth in a very deep way.

00:42:40.000 But this is the thing, is that Trump tells macro truths, which is why they hate him, okay?

00:42:46.000 The macro truths of Donald Trump are, what is this NATO thing?

00:42:51.000 And why is it here?

00:42:54.000 That's like, you're not allowed to say that.

00:42:56.000 You're not allowed, Jack, what was the Scott Adams quote about Donald Trump's?

00:43:01.000 He talks about directional accuracy, like directionally accurate.

00:43:06.000 So it's the idea that he, or he also has a quote, I think he says, no, I know what you're talking about.

00:43:11.000 He says, Democrats take him literally, conservatives understand him figuratively.

00:43:19.000 You know, something along those lines where he's saying that, like, people know that he doesn't actually mean there's hundreds of millions of illegals spilling over.

00:43:27.000 He's painting a picture.

00:43:28.000 And then they'll go, actually, it was 25 million, not hundreds of millions, or something like this.

00:43:33.000 But people understand that he's using language as a metaphor.

00:43:37.000 He's using it to paint pictures.

00:43:38.000 He's a very visual speaker.

00:43:40.000 And they'll nitpick little things that he's made like that, you know, billions and billions or something

00:43:46.000 that's over and over, but he's doing so to draw your attention to the fact

00:43:49.000 that something is much larger than it should be.

00:43:52.000 And it's always far more directionally accurate than when you're hearing someone try to piece apart

00:43:58.000 those little things.

00:43:59.000 And then also to your point of what you were saying earlier, that this is why Donald Trump's resonance with voters

00:44:05.000 is much stronger than say, Paul Ryan, when he was running around with his bow tie

00:44:09.000 and his PowerPoint talking about why he was gonna cut everyone's entitlement programs,

00:44:13.000 because they can understand what Trump is saying better.

00:44:15.000 And then it has that emotional resonance with them because it's stuff that they've been wondering themselves

00:44:20.000 or stuff they've been thinking about filling in the gaps of things that they try to understand.

00:44:24.000 It's also one of the reasons why, by the way, and I've said this forever,

00:44:27.000 that when you're listening to Donald Trump, especially listening and watching,

00:44:33.000 that you can understand him so much better because 90% of communication is nonverbal

00:44:38.000 than when you're just reading a transcript.

00:44:41.000 They'll do this with everything, the Charlottesville hoax, with the drinking bleach hoax. 0.74

00:44:45.000 They'll show you the transcript and they'll say, oh, here's the transcript, but you know, like pieces of it will be omitted.

00:44:49.000 But then if you look at him in public or if he's telling a joke or being sarcastic, which he's done so many times, You can tell from all of the non-verbal body cues that he's giving that obviously he's intending something as a joke or obviously he's being sarcastic or he's making a face or something like this.

00:45:06.000 And of course that doesn't transfer over into direct text.

00:45:12.000 And so if you're just reading a transcript of it, then you're losing 90% basically of what was going on.

00:45:18.000 I want to play this piece of tape here.

00:45:20.000 Kamala Harris, who has yet to do a press conference, take a single question since being the nominee, since Biden has been forced off the ballot.

00:45:26.000 This is a huge attack vector.

00:45:28.000 But I just want us all to acknowledge that Donald Trump has changed the way that we all communicate.

00:45:32.000 Can we all agree at this in our public speaking, Jack?

00:45:35.000 I mean, we all now have a little bit of Trumpian aspect of how we do from the body language.

00:45:41.000 I know someone said that they started talking like Trump at the office place and he got promoted twice as fast than he would have.

00:45:48.000 Oh no, because it's alpha power moves.

00:45:50.000 And what I would love to actually ask Donald Trump once he becomes president and say, so is this something that someone taught you or that you coached yourself through a series of self-examination?

00:46:02.000 I would be fascinated from a public speaking standpoint.

00:46:07.000 Norman Vincent Peale.

00:46:08.000 To who?

00:46:10.000 The preacher that he actually actually take him.

00:46:14.000 No, I didn't know that.

00:46:14.000 Norman Vincent Peale.

00:46:16.000 I'm trying to look it up.

00:46:17.000 He had a church in New York that his father, Fred, would take him to like all the time.

00:46:23.000 I think part of the Trump.

00:46:27.000 That would be interesting.

00:46:28.000 I think part of it's the New York part of it's probably, I mean, just being around so many people, I think also just in real estate and doing deals and things like that.

00:46:36.000 I think when you talk about a person like him, He's very much, and Charlie has seen this in real time too, up close, he's the kind of guy where he wants to get to points very quickly.

00:46:48.000 He wants to get to the point in so much that there'll be a conflict and instead of just discussing the conflict for minutes or hours with people, he'll just be like, get this other person on the line or get the other person in here and let's get right to it.

00:47:02.000 That's a very common Trump thing.

00:47:04.000 And that, to me, that is something that is like really adjacent to how he talks, which is like, it's just like, he just wants to get to points.

00:47:12.000 He doesn't have time for this stuff.

00:47:13.000 He wants to get down to it.

00:47:14.000 And that's kind of what makes him who he is.

00:47:17.000 And he reaffirms everything.

00:47:19.000 Because when you're, again, talking with people, sometimes in large groups, you get circular, you forget.

00:47:25.000 And so he reaffirms everything.

00:47:27.000 He says it four different ways, four different times, makes it as simple as possible and gets right to the point.

00:47:32.000 I'm now just imagining a pastor talking in full Trump mode.

00:47:36.000 So just like, Jesus, Jesus, he had the biggest, the biggest assemblies.

00:47:42.000 They fed over 5,000 people with just a few loaves and a few fish and they filled What was it, nine wicker baskets afterwards?

00:47:52.000 They filled so many wicker baskets, the entire Trump Hotel, all the taco bowls could have been made with just the leftovers from when they fed the 5,000.

00:48:03.000 Just going on like that for ages, and I like to imagine this existing.

00:48:09.000 Uh, but you are right.

00:48:10.000 Yeah.

00:48:10.000 He's, he's totally infected the way everyone talks.

00:48:12.000 Just think of the number of even just stray phrases that are Trump-isms just saying sad in response to things.

00:48:19.000 That's a Trump thing.

00:48:21.000 Uh, many such cases, Trump thing.

00:48:23.000 That's right.

00:48:24.000 You're telling me for the first time, which might be one of the greatest Trump moments and underrate, I think it's one of the most underrated Trump moments ever where he could have like gotten blown out in 2020 if he messed this up and he comes off of a rally.

00:48:36.000 It was a total setup.

00:48:37.000 Right.

00:48:39.000 You're telling me for the first time.

00:48:41.000 She was a wonderful person, like right there.

00:48:44.000 It's like, all right, make or break.

00:48:45.000 You screw this up.

00:48:46.000 We would not have gotten a Supreme Court seat if Donald Trump would have just been like, oh, really? 0.92

00:48:52.000 Wow, she was awful.

00:48:53.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:48:53.000 He could have been like, no!

00:48:55.000 It was perfect.

00:48:56.000 All right.

00:48:57.000 So Kamala Harris refuses to take questions. 0.90

00:49:00.000 This is a growing issue here.

00:49:02.000 Let's play Cut 138.

00:49:04.000 Thank you all.

00:49:05.000 I've met my husband. Will you be meeting Evan and Paul when they return?

00:49:19.000 At least she didn't trip.

00:49:19.000 Nope.

00:49:19.000 Charlie, you're telling me she hasn't taken one question since she became the

00:49:23.000 the presumptive nominee?

00:49:24.000 Nope, not an interview, not a question, not a remark, nothing.

00:49:27.000 Since she has taken over, not a single vote, she has not taken a question.

00:49:33.000 Meanwhile, Donald Trump goes up against the most vicious people that you could

00:49:38.000 possibly imagine at the National Association of Black Journalists.

00:49:42.000 Jack, I think we need to emphasize this and force Kamala Harris into the press conference. 0.99

00:49:47.000 They're trying to do the basement strategy, but you know what's not going to work?

00:49:50.000 She's the sitting vice president of the United States. 0.92

00:49:52.000 That's not going to work, Kamala Harris.

00:49:53.000 There's no basement strategy.

00:49:55.000 You have duties and responsibilities right now.

00:49:57.000 Right now.

00:49:58.000 Jack, I think That's obviously something where, of course, when we have all those reporters reaching out to us saying, oh, why did you mean by this?

00:50:06.000 Or, you know, we're watching thought crimes like they do every week and say, what did you mean by this segment, by that segment?

00:50:12.000 Okay, well, we'll ask you this.

00:50:14.000 Why are you so worried about what Charlie Kirk and Jack Posobiec are saying on podcasts, and yet you're not spending any time with just an ounce of curiosity What the sitting vice president, who is effectively, as far as we know, running the White House at this point, is doing on a day-to-day basis and not answering any questions

00:50:36.000 on a silver platter.

00:50:38.000 That's journalistic integrity.

00:50:39.000 That's something where, by the way, if you're ever dealing with one of these organizations,

00:50:44.000 that's what you always have to call into question.

00:50:46.000 Don't say they're not being fair, saying they're not being journalists.

00:50:50.000 And if you can call into question whether or not they're being journalists

00:50:53.000 and actually show them something that they are doing on one side and not on the other.

00:50:57.000 And I'm not saying just one of those like, oh, you're being mean to Trump.

00:50:59.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:51:00.000 I mean, you haven't asked a single question.

00:51:03.000 That's something that you can put over with the American people.

00:51:06.000 That's something you can explain to anybody on the street and say, why, isn't it kind of weird

00:51:11.000 that she just got the nomination without anybody voting for her?

00:51:14.000 They threw out the primary, and the media won't ask them a single question.

00:51:17.000 Why is that? Why are they doing that?

00:51:19.000 Why won't they ask any questions?

00:51:20.000 And eventually you'll get somebody like a Jake Tapper who's so vainglorious, has such high self-esteem, just believes, worships himself.

00:51:28.000 You get somebody like that and suddenly it's going to get under their skin.

00:51:31.000 It's going to get under their skin to the point where they're going to have to make it happen.

00:51:35.000 Yeah, and this is probably the number one reason why I support, even though this completely screws up the whole Trump 47 stitching on everybody's hats, I totally support, you know, forcing Kamala into the presidency because that would for sure, I am deathly afraid they're going to pull what they did in 2020 with Joe Biden, right?

00:51:56.000 They're going to find every excuse in the book.

00:51:58.000 Yeah, we don't have that much time left.

00:51:59.000 We only have seven weeks here, right, until early ballots are out in most states.

00:52:05.000 Less than that.

00:52:06.000 They can run out the clock for seven weeks for sure, guys.

00:52:11.000 And so the only way that they can't is if she is forcibly put into the presidency. 0.94

00:52:17.000 That would be the only way.

00:52:18.000 And that's the scary part is we don't know where Joe Biden, how he's actually doing right now.

00:52:23.000 We really don't.

00:52:26.000 Well, so they would have been smart, to be honest.

00:52:28.000 Like, they would have been smart to have her do some really, like, easy sit-down interviews.

00:52:32.000 Yep.

00:52:32.000 And just get it over with.

00:52:33.000 They are now broadcasting how insecure they are about her.

00:52:36.000 This has now gotten to the place where we are going on two weeks where she has not taken a question.

00:52:41.000 She has not done an interview.

00:52:42.000 They are now broadcasting, oh, they're very afraid of her ability to have dialogue and discourse.

00:52:48.000 And, all right, they now showed us their weakness.

00:52:51.000 We must force her into the public light.

00:52:54.000 I just dug this up because I remembered reading this.

00:52:58.000 So this is from 2019, and it was a dad whose son worked in an unpaid internship for Kamala Harris.

00:53:08.000 And I guess it didn't go well because it went bad enough that the dad wrote an op-ed for The Union, which appears to be some local paper in California.

00:53:17.000 And he says, four short episodes I would like to share of his month-long internship for Kamala

00:53:23.000 Harris. One, Senator Harris vocally throws around F-bombs and other profanity constantly in her 1.00

00:53:30.000 berating of staff and others. The staff is in complete fear of her and she uses her profanity 0.82

00:53:36.000 throughout the day. Second, as Attorney General, Senator Harris instructed her entire staff to

00:53:43.000 stand every morning as she entered the office and say, good morning, General.

00:53:49.000 Uh, he's a good guy.

00:53:51.000 He also says, never once during the month-long internship did Harris introduce herself to the son, and he was in a staff of 20 paid employees, like a Senate office.

00:54:00.000 I will say, I interned in the Senate.

00:54:02.000 I was introduced to the Senator that I worked for, and he knew my name.

00:54:07.000 So, props to him.

00:54:10.000 And then the only acknowledgement was a formed letter of thanks.

00:54:12.000 And then this is great.

00:54:13.000 Gregory, the son, was also given instructions to never address Harris, nor look her in the

00:54:20.000 eye, as that privilege was only allowed to senior staff members.

00:54:25.000 What?

00:54:26.000 That might be, maybe that's like exaggeration.

00:54:29.000 Like they're basically saying don't bother her.

00:54:31.000 And maybe that came through as like, don't look her in the eye.

00:54:34.000 So like, I can see that being exaggerated.

00:54:37.000 Hear me out here.

00:54:38.000 Ryan, can you get this latest tape here of her coming out of the car?

00:54:41.000 Now, I might be nitpicking here, but I don't think I am.

00:54:44.000 And just, this is Kamala Harris coming out of the car, and just the way that she hands her phone to the staffer. 0.68

00:54:52.000 Can we get this up on screen as the b-roll?

00:54:55.000 Where she just kind of like flippantly throws the phone to just quote-unquote the help.

00:54:58.000 You know, doesn't even say, you know, thank you or looked at the person in the eye.

00:55:03.000 Again, I've kind of probably done this body gesture before, but she just, she comes out as if she's the king,

00:55:08.000 the queen of the world.

00:55:10.000 And she doesn't take a single question.

00:55:12.000 She doesn't take a single response from the media, none whatsoever.

00:55:17.000 And I might be over like thinking this, but she just kind of just throws it there. 0.99

00:55:21.000 Yeah, okay, thanks so much.

00:55:22.000 And look, she's, this plays into this narrative where, Blake, did I hear you right?

00:55:27.000 You're not allowed to look her in the eye?

00:55:30.000 That was what this op-ed said.

00:55:32.000 Gregory was given instructions to never address Harris, nor look her in the eye, as that privilege was only allowed to senior staff members.

00:55:41.000 Now, I can understand some reasons for that.

00:55:43.000 I wasn't allowed to refer to Charlie by name until I'd worked here for at least eight months.

00:55:50.000 Um, and then you had to take a test.

00:55:52.000 It was, it was Mr. Kirk, right?

00:55:55.000 Yeah.

00:55:57.000 Just kidding.

00:55:58.000 Of course.

00:55:58.000 No, we totally, we totally hazed you.

00:56:01.000 I remember you looked in Charlie's, it wasn't looking him in the eye.

00:56:04.000 It was looking in his direction.

00:56:05.000 Yeah, it was like, you know, it was like the ancient Hawaiian Kings if your shadow fell on his shadow You broke the taboo and had to be executed then you had to go outside take off your shirt.

00:56:16.000 We gave you 18 lashings Yes.

00:56:18.000 Yes Yeah, welcome to Arizona.

00:56:21.000 Welcome to Arizona.

00:56:22.000 That's right So, let's summarize this all together here.

00:56:28.000 I thought this was actually terrific. 0.83

00:56:29.000 I think this is President Trump at his best, mocking and humiliating Kamala Harris, how insincere and fake she is.

00:56:36.000 Let's play cut 1, 2, 8.

00:56:38.000 Because everything about Kamala Harris rollout, it's phony and it's fake.

00:56:43.000 Did you see when President Obama And Michelle Cole.

00:56:49.000 Did you see?

00:56:49.000 Hello?

00:56:51.000 Hello?

00:56:51.000 Yes.

00:56:52.000 Yes.

00:56:53.000 Who is this?

00:56:55.000 Oh, this is Michelle and Barack.

00:56:57.000 Oh, oh, so surprised to hear they got four cameras in front.

00:57:02.000 Oh, I'm so surprised.

00:57:04.000 It's on speakerphone.

00:57:08.000 Listen, we just want to congratulate you on destroying Joe Biden.

00:57:13.000 I mean, on winning the Hey, is Joe Biden gonna- was that the phoniest phone call you've ever seen?

00:57:22.000 How do you think, Dan?

00:57:23.000 What do you think?

00:57:23.000 Dan Muser, great congressman, what do you think?

00:57:26.000 Was that a phony phone call?

00:57:27.000 You wouldn't do it!

00:57:29.000 You wouldn't get away- in your district, you wouldn't get away with it, would you?

00:57:33.000 She's fake.

00:57:34.000 And, uh, do we have a co- do we actually have the tape of that call?

00:57:37.000 I believe we do.

00:57:37.000 Let me check.

00:57:39.000 Yeah, Kamala strikes me as, have you guys ever watched the movie, uh, Terrible Bosses, is that what it's called?

00:57:46.000 Horrible Bosses.

00:57:47.000 Horrible Bosses, actually.

00:57:49.000 Yeah, kind of like, she does kind of remind me of that, like, that character, that like, uh, that type of character where it's just like, and everybody's worked for a bad boss.

00:58:00.000 Just doesn't care about you that much, you know, is, you know, just you're kind of in and out all that.

00:58:06.000 It's just it's associated with it.

00:58:08.000 The hard part about her and this is politics in general, is that there are some people involved politics that are exactly like Kamala have no reason to get where they get to. 1.00

00:58:18.000 They're not really genuinely regarded, highly regarded people.

00:58:23.000 But they just kind of just fail their way up.

00:58:26.000 We talk about that all the time in politics and that's truly who she is.

00:58:30.000 She has just like failed upwards her entire career because of it's just convenience I think mostly and adjacency to a lot of people.

00:58:39.000 Convenience and she hits like she's been there to hit the demographic checkbox when they need it.

00:58:45.000 We got to replace Barbara Boxer Let's get a diverse candidate. 1.00

00:58:49.000 Who's around?

00:58:50.000 Oh, well, there's... That's controllable.

00:58:52.000 That's controllable.

00:58:53.000 Alright, so let's play Cut 140.

00:58:55.000 She's trying to be like this girl boss. 1.00

00:58:57.000 This is so nauseating.

00:58:59.000 It's just... I think this is repulsive.

00:59:01.000 The way that she's like faking the whole thing.

00:59:03.000 You got four cameras there.

00:59:04.000 She doesn't even know how to hold up a phone for speakerphone. 1.00

00:59:07.000 Play Cut 140.

00:59:08.000 Kamala! 0.87

00:59:09.000 Hello!

00:59:10.000 Hi!

00:59:11.000 Hey there!

00:59:13.000 Aww, hi! 0.99

00:59:14.000 You're both together!

00:59:15.000 Oh, it's good to hear you both.

00:59:17.000 I can't have this phone call without saying to my girl Kamala, I am proud of you.

00:59:23.000 This is going to be historic.

00:59:26.000 We call to say Michelle and I couldn't be prouder to endorse you and to do everything we can to get you through this election and into the Oval Office.

00:59:34.000 Oh my goodness.

00:59:36.000 Michelle, Barack, this means so much to me.

00:59:39.000 I'm looking forward to doing this with the two of you, Doug and I both, and getting out there, being on the road.

00:59:46.000 It's so big!

00:59:46.000 But most of all, I just want to tell you, the words you have spoken and the friendship that you have given over all these years mean more than I can express.

00:59:54.000 The sad thing... It means so much.

00:59:57.000 And we're going to have some fun with this too, aren't we?

01:00:01.000 The viral reaction to this makes me think of how on YouTube and Facebook and stuff, there's a whole sub-genre of these, like, those kind of fake videos where it'll be like, Karen is racist, and then gets owned right away, and it's like all clearly fictional.

01:00:17.000 Have you seen these?

01:00:18.000 Like, they're these basic morality plays.

01:00:20.000 Yeah.

01:00:20.000 And there will be all these comments from people who seem to think that this is real.

01:00:24.000 Or people will be like, this is fake!

01:00:27.000 And it's like, well, it's obviously fake.

01:00:29.000 Yes, yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:00:30.000 And this makes me think of that.

01:00:32.000 Like, this is a transparently fake scene that was, like, shot for the cameras for the campaign, and then people are looking like, wow, so amazing how there's this warmth between Kamala and the Obamas.

01:00:46.000 I like Obama.

01:00:47.000 He was tall.

01:00:48.000 He was a great president.

01:00:50.000 like this could work and if it works I will just I'll just want to die I'll just want to crawl into a hole and and I don't know eat eat a bunch of caramel popcorn or something and then just what a country But!

01:01:10.000 But do you not like caramel popcorn?

01:01:11.000 No, caramel popcorn is great, but if I eat too much of it, I'll look like Charlie pre-PhD weight loss.

01:01:17.000 And, you know, we don't want that.

01:01:19.000 So... That's true.

01:01:23.000 And if we lose, who knows, I'd have to go back on PhD weight loss.

01:01:27.000 It could be really bad.

01:01:28.000 It could be really bad.

01:01:30.000 Alright, closing thoughts, guys.

01:01:32.000 Jack stayed... I mean, we were going to do all these other topics, but the race is just, you know, so hot right now.

01:01:37.000 Final thoughts, Jack?

01:01:39.000 Yeah, two things.

01:01:40.000 First thing, we can't, in general, let the Trump assassination go.

01:01:45.000 We can't let that happen.

01:01:46.000 We can't let the media define our narratives.

01:01:49.000 We need to do that.

01:01:50.000 That's why I'm here in Butler, Pennsylvania.

01:01:52.000 We're actually talking about potentially even doing another book this year on this very topic, which is kind of insane to do two books in one year, but why not?

01:02:01.000 And as far as All I have to say is,

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01:02:15.000 Yeah!

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01:03:50.000 Yeah, if I was a member of the media, I would be so embarrassed of myself and my profession that my entire workplace hasn't asked Kamala a single question since she's got in.

01:04:03.000 And that, to me, would make me want to quit, learn to code, do something different, something more productive with society.

01:04:09.000 Because if you can't ask the nominee for one of the two major parties a single question before For vetting before they go to the convention?

01:04:18.000 Like, what's the point of even having journalists?

01:04:21.000 Speaking of, she has like 92% staff turnover and always has.

01:04:25.000 We got every single tell-all from like, we're getting people who are JD Vance's college classmates leaking emails.

01:04:33.000 You'd mean to tell me that there can't be journalists who find every single person who's ever worked for Kamala and none of them have anything to say?

01:04:40.000 None of them have maybe had a bad enough experience they might actually dump on her now?

01:04:45.000 I don't believe it.

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01:05:21.000 Blake, final thoughts? She's fake. 1.00

01:05:26.000 I just, I refuse to believe that we are so far gone that everyone is just going to fall for the Kamala spell. 0.57

01:05:32.000 She's fake.

01:05:33.000 She is bad. 1.00

01:05:34.000 She's a crappy boss. 1.00

01:05:35.000 She has failed her way upward every step of her life. 0.98

01:05:38.000 I do not, I do not think that the United States is ready to have a Peter Principle president. 0.98

01:05:44.000 We are not going to promote this non-entity into the chair that George Washington's butt sat in. 0.98

01:05:54.000 Ugh. 0.99

01:05:56.000 Ugh.

01:05:56.000 She's also a communist.

01:05:58.000 And that too. 0.88

01:05:58.000 Yeah, you know, she's just bad. 0.88

01:06:01.000 Minor details.

01:06:01.000 Alright, check it out.

01:06:03.000 ThoughtCrime every Thursday.

01:06:04.000 Thanks guys so much.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 03, 2024

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 52 — Kamala the Chameleon? Is the Polling Accurate?

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