The Charlie Kirk Show - August 10, 2024


THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 53 — Jack Posobiec Ousted Josh Shapiro? Walz Stolen Valor?

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Jack Posobiec saved Josh Shapiro from becoming the VP nominee, and it was all because of Jack. Jack is a hero to me, and I m sure you ve all heard of him. He was one of the most brilliant people I ve ever met, and he s a great friend of mine. I ll tell you why I think Josh Shapiro would have been the VP candidate if it wasn t for Jack. And if you don t know who Jack is, you re not going to want to miss this one! Tweet me and let me know what you thought of the episode! Timestamps: 3:00 - How Jack prevented Josh Shapiro being the VP Nominee 4:40 - What would you have done if Jack was running for President? 5:30 - Why I believe Jack would have won the VP election 6:15 - Why Josh Shapiro is a better VP candidate than Jack 8:20 - Why Jack would not have been a good VP candidate 9:00 11:15 What is the best thing that could have happened to Josh Shapiro 12:30 13:40 14:20 15:00 Is it possible for Jack to be the VP Candidate 16:00 What do you think of the D.J. Chances of Jack being the Vice Presidential Candidate? 17:00 Do you agree with Josh Shapiro winning the nomination? 18:10 19:00 Did you think Jack would be a better than Chances that Josh Shapiro was a good candidate? 21:00 Does he have a chance of winning the election? ? 22: Is he going to win the VP bid? 23: Does he know what he s going to run for President in 2020 or does he have any chance of being the next president? 25:00 Can he be the next guy? 26:00 Who do you like the best person to run against the other guy in 2020? 27:00 Will Josh Shapiro have a better chance of running against Jack is going to be better than Jack is the next in the primary race than Jack thinks he s gonna win the election or not? 28:00 Are you going to vote for Chances? 29:30 Is he a good guy or is he a better candidate than Chump or Chump? 35:00 How do I know he s not a good person?

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, happy Saturday.
00:00:01.000 It is ThoughtCrime, Jack Posobiec Appreciation Episode.
00:00:05.000 How Jack Posobiec prevented Josh Shapiro from becoming the vice presidential nominee.
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00:01:25.000 We have Blake here.
00:01:26.000 Howdy! 0.99
00:01:27.000 We have Tyler with his Arizona Diamondbacks.
00:01:29.000 How are the Diamondbacks doing this year?
00:01:32.000 Is it D-backs or Diamondbacks?
00:01:34.000 We say D-backs here, and they were playing a doubleheader today.
00:01:38.000 They'll always be the Diamondbacks to me.
00:01:40.000 Are they keeping the momentum from last year's loss?
00:01:42.000 They've had a ton of injuries this year, but they've played pretty well considering the injuries.
00:01:48.000 62 and 52, I think that's good enough for Wildcard.
00:01:52.000 Are they in the NL West?
00:01:53.000 I'm not sure.
00:01:53.000 Ooh, they're on an 8-2 run.
00:01:55.000 Wow, these guys are kicking butt. 0.50
00:01:56.000 As long as you get hot.
00:01:57.000 Oh, I think they beat... We've got the Brewers coming up playing the Dodgers next week, actually, during their primary.
00:02:05.000 So we're pulling for the Brewers to beat the Dodgers.
00:02:07.000 That's great.
00:02:09.000 Andrew's not here.
00:02:11.000 He's on vacation so we can trash the Dodgers.
00:02:12.000 By the way, anyone who likes the Dodgers goes down in my book.
00:02:17.000 Honestly, I feel like people who like the Dodgers should be rounded up.
00:02:21.000 We're not going to go that far.
00:02:24.000 The Dodgers are the easiest team to cheer for because they're always good.
00:02:27.000 They have the biggest budget.
00:02:28.000 There's no effort.
00:02:29.000 There's no pain.
00:02:30.000 There's nothing.
00:02:31.000 It's like the Yankees.
00:02:32.000 So, we're gonna call this the Jack Posobiec Appreciation Hour.
00:02:35.000 And last week... No, no, this is... I don't think I've ever... Slow clap.
00:02:41.000 ...appreciated Jack before?
00:02:42.000 No.
00:02:42.000 I understand.
00:02:43.000 No, I've never actually... I don't think I've ever, like, stroked Jack's ego.
00:02:49.000 Like, I've never done, like, that whole thing.
00:02:51.000 I just don't do that.
00:02:53.000 But it's pretty amazing.
00:02:54.000 So Jack, I'll talk and then you can listen and then you could tell the story.
00:02:58.000 I can say confidently, I believe, I think Josh Shapiro would be the vice presidential nominee if it wasn't for Jack Posobiec.
00:03:07.000 This is not Bluster.
00:03:08.000 This is not Charlie trying to score points.
00:03:12.000 I have nothing to benefit from here except I call balls and strikes.
00:03:17.000 Jack's gonna get a kick out of this.
00:03:18.000 It's Thursday night and Jack just started going on these quasi-autistic rants against Shapiro.
00:03:24.000 It was every four minutes on my telegram.
00:03:30.000 I have receipts, Josh.
00:03:31.000 You're not gonna like this, Josh.
00:03:33.000 And I was like, here we go.
00:03:35.000 And I gave it like 99 to 1 odds that Jack... Whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:03:40.000 And did I produce?
00:03:42.000 Jack, I started with the goods, okay?
00:03:44.000 I started with saying that I'm appreciating your results here.
00:03:47.000 And then all of a sudden, on Friday afternoon, I was like, man, he's getting some traction on this stuff.
00:03:53.000 And Jack is talking about the fact that he might be in an IDF uniform, and all these left-wing forums are exploding, and the betting markets had Shapiro at 80%, then it was like 70%, then it was 60%.
00:04:08.000 And next thing I know, all of a sudden there's these stories being leaked on Sunday about Walls maybe being the guy.
00:04:14.000 I was like, did Jack Posobiec just dethrone a five-foot-three sitting governor of Pennsylvania?
00:04:19.000 The craziest one for me was when I saw the story start going like, oh, this suicide ruling from a decade ago. 1.00
00:04:24.000 I'm like, oh, this has to be something really stupid. 0.96
00:04:27.000 And then I know I bring up this Inquirer, Philadelphia Inquirer article. 0.99
00:04:31.000 I'm like.
00:04:32.000 Whoa, they lost the psychologist report on this?
00:04:35.000 What?
00:04:36.000 No, no, and I was like, okay, this is, you know, where are we at on this?
00:04:39.000 Because, I mean, Jack's from Pennsylvania, so it'd be, it's very, I thought this was just kind of like a personal vendetta.
00:04:44.000 Jack trying to, like, prime the pump.
00:04:46.000 And I don't think... It is definitely a personal vendetta.
00:04:50.000 No, no, I mean, of course, but, I mean, Jack, we'll let you kind of tell the story, but I think we all should just do kind of the master's golf clap here.
00:04:50.000 That part is also 100%.
00:04:58.000 Because... Slow clap.
00:05:00.000 It was...
00:05:01.000 The Josh Shapiro political career was damaged significantly.
00:05:08.000 It just wasn't tall enough.
00:05:09.000 You have to be this tall.
00:05:09.000 Yeah.
00:05:10.000 Yeah, he came up short.
00:05:11.000 He couldn't overcome it.
00:05:12.000 He couldn't overcome it.
00:05:13.000 That's right.
00:05:14.000 He didn't meet the minimum.
00:05:15.000 Jack, tell us the story of what happened, because this was a 48-hour tsunami of Josh Shapiro, which was like unquestionably the pick, canceling Hampton's fundraisers.
00:05:27.000 All my sources were saying this.
00:05:29.000 Wealthy Jewish donors that I know, we're talking to wealthy liberal donors, and we're like, it's done.
00:05:34.000 Josh Shapiro is basically, like, telling people you can get tickets at the Philly announcement.
00:05:40.000 You have the Philly mayor.
00:05:41.000 They made the video!
00:05:42.000 Can you get the video?
00:05:43.000 Let's get the video.
00:05:44.000 Ryan, get the video.
00:05:45.000 So, Jack, tell us a little bit about this, and then I want to play this video.
00:05:48.000 What happened from Thursday night to Tuesday morning?
00:05:53.000 Walk us through the Jack Posobiec Masterclass of Dark Arts.
00:05:57.000 Yeah, so, I mean, basically, look, I'll put it this way, you know, I was well-seated for this because, you know, Josh Shapiro and I go way back.
00:06:06.000 I first met Josh Shapiro all the way back in 2008 when he was a state rep, and he was basically a local surrogate for Obama, and he was appearing at this, I think it was some debate in like Montgomery County, and that's where I'm from, that's where he's from, right outside Philadelphia.
00:06:24.000 And, you know, I could tell, I mean, he's very good on the mic.
00:06:27.000 He's very good at debates.
00:06:30.000 You know, he lies with ease, right?
00:06:32.000 You know, slippery like a needle, these types.
00:06:35.000 And people have seen that over the last couple of, I think, days and weeks, culminating in this really cringey speech he gave last night after being passed over, even though he's used to being passed over.
00:06:45.000 Lots of things pass over him.
00:06:47.000 Baseballs when you play middle, you know, basketball.
00:06:51.000 Shots.
00:06:52.000 They're all just passing over Josh Shapiro.
00:06:56.000 It's not hard because I can understand how you can miss him down there.
00:06:58.000 But the, you know, the real thing is, though, I had so many people reaching out to me from the Philadelphia area, so many people bringing up, especially this case of Alan Greenberg, which, you know, it had, it had been out there before.
00:07:14.000 And I think I had mentioned it on Twitter before a couple of times in 2022, when he was running for governor, and I was going up to Pennsylvania campaigning against him and really just Calling out who he was and what he was about.
00:07:27.000 But the Pennsylvania Supreme Court then, I guess, for whatever reason, decided to pick up the case and put it under review for the first time since this happened in 2011, by the way, when this poor girl was killed.
00:07:43.000 And he wasn't involved in the case initially.
00:07:46.000 His involvement as Attorney General comes up way later, in about 2021.
00:07:50.000 So almost a decade later.
00:07:54.000 When it gets passed to him.
00:07:56.000 By the way, it's a crazy way that it gets involved because he gets the case because the family's lawyer, the lawyer of the family of the girl, This will make sense in a second.
00:08:11.000 Goes on to run for DA of Philadelphia, and then his name is Larry Krasner, and he's the Soros DA of Philadelphia.
00:08:20.000 So, he has a conflict of interest and can't touch the case.
00:08:23.000 So, in 2017, he passes it over to the Attorney General's office, that's Josh Shapiro, and Josh Shapiro's office pretends to sit on it for all these years and there's no traction, and then suddenly, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court says, you know what?
00:08:36.000 There's just too much going on.
00:08:37.000 We can talk a little bit about the case later if you guys want, but, you know, like Blake was saying a second ago, it's just a very strange case to have been ruled suicide the way it was.
00:08:50.000 Stabbed 20 times.
00:08:52.000 I think it was 9 in the front and 11 in the back.
00:08:54.000 So just not the type of case that you would see easily ruled a suicide, and yet it hadn't gotten any traction until just last week.
00:09:02.000 We're putting that information out there.
00:09:04.000 We're walking through time and time again on this thing.
00:09:07.000 And then we're also putting out information about the sexual harassment case
00:09:11.000 that he covered up when he was in office.
00:09:14.000 And what's crazy is, so the guy who was, they keep saying it's the aide, it's the aide.
00:09:20.000 No, it was his secretary of legislative affairs.
00:09:24.000 So basically like his senior, almost a cabinet level official,
00:09:29.000 that guy was the former Republican state rep who was one district away from me in Montgomery County.
00:09:36.000 So these are guys who, the same way you guys and Tyler specifically are so tied in in Arizona,
00:09:40.000 that's how tied I am in Pennsylvania.
00:09:42.000 So I know all these guys.
00:09:43.000 I used to see this guy's name is Mike Verb.
00:09:46.000 And I used to see him just being like blitz drunk, walking around Walmart at like four in the afternoon, former police officer.
00:09:53.000 And he was a Republican who then went and cut a deal with the Democrats and with Josh Shapiro, basically turned over MCRCs, the Montgomery County Republican Committee, control of it to Josh Shapiro.
00:10:05.000 And this is what a lot of Republicans in Pennsylvania did to help Shapiro become governor.
00:10:09.000 And, you know, people can go back and see what happened in 2022 in terms of that.
00:10:13.000 He goes on and is sexually harassing this, I'm going to be very careful about this
00:10:18.000 because her name is not public and I don't want to make it public,
00:10:20.000 but this female staffer, another female staffer in the office 1.00
00:10:24.000 for months there in Harrisburg.
00:10:27.000 And Shapiro claimed, oh, I didn't know about this.
00:10:29.000 I had no idea that he was being investigated.
00:10:31.000 No idea she had filed a complaint.
00:10:33.000 And I've got more people from Harrisburg texting me saying he was notified almost immediately of this.
00:10:39.000 He was briefed.
00:10:40.000 Of course he would be briefed, by the way.
00:10:42.000 He's the governor.
00:10:43.000 This is happening right in his office with his senior staff.
00:10:45.000 But basically he sat on that too.
00:10:48.000 Why?
00:10:48.000 Because he's all about creating this perfect picture.
00:10:52.000 The perfect Josh Shapiro.
00:10:54.000 Josh Shapiro who is the heir apparent in all of politics.
00:10:57.000 Josh Shapiro who has studied Obama's voice and mannerisms down to the exact letter to be able to directly mimic him in such a way that if you closed your eyes you might actually think it's Obama up on stage even though Obama's voice doesn't crack the way Josh Shapiro's does.
00:11:15.000 And again, so I'm just getting all of this information from a lifetime in Pennsylvania politics and putting it out and just putting it all out there.
00:11:23.000 And by the way, I've got so, so, so much more, but it's also, by the way, You noticed I didn't attack his record.
00:11:30.000 I didn't bring up anything about what he had done as governor or anything like that, because I was deliberately making sure to focus on things that I knew would gain traction with the left, with Team Kamala, with their decision-making loop, with the things that their side would care about.
00:11:46.000 And then, Charlie, you referenced this, of course, but his His time volunteering with the IDF, also, by the way, a brief stint working in the Israeli embassy, something that I didn't even bring up, but it got recently added to his Wikipedia.
00:11:59.000 All of that hitting the Democrat Party as they're looking at going to Chicago, what, in two weeks' time here.
00:12:06.000 It just turned into a situation that I think they were terrified of.
00:12:10.000 And they said, look, you know, on paper, this guy seems like he makes sense.
00:12:13.000 He's from a must-win state.
00:12:14.000 He's got this ability to appeal to crossover voters the way that Tim Walz claims to, but actually doesn't, by the way.
00:12:22.000 Shapiro did actually pick up a lot of working-class voters in Pennsylvania and in Western Pennsylvania who typically go for Trump, and so they were these kind of like Trump-Shapiro voters that were out there because these people vote with their wallets, not ideology.
00:12:34.000 And look, I just made sure to get into their cycle and get into their headspace to the point where they were so terrified of the skeletons.
00:12:41.000 Legitimate.
00:12:42.000 It was amazing.
00:12:43.000 I just want to interject.
00:12:44.000 Number one, let's not fool ourselves.
00:12:46.000 Shapiro would have been the smarter pick here.
00:12:49.000 Every single probability model shows that if Trump doesn't carry Pennsylvania, his odds are sub 50%.
00:12:54.000 He has to then basically win Wisconsin, Arizona, and Georgia, which is what we've been focused on.
00:12:58.000 But that's a tougher path.
00:12:59.000 It just is.
00:13:00.000 And so this opens up Pennsylvania, number one.
00:13:02.000 Number two, Josh Shapiro is a legit political talent.
00:13:05.000 He just is.
00:13:06.000 He's good.
00:13:06.000 I was watching that speech.
00:13:07.000 If he's doing fraud, it means he's good at projecting a good image.
00:13:10.000 Well, I'm just saying he's got a good talent.
00:13:12.000 In a social media TikTok era, this guy would have been as hot of a pistol.
00:13:15.000 He actually might have been a little bit better than Kama. 0.99
00:13:20.000 Oh, totally.
00:13:20.000 A lot better than Kama.
00:13:21.000 Incalculably.
00:13:22.000 I think that this... I thought this... Let's play this tape here.
00:13:26.000 This cake was baked, in my opinion.
00:13:28.000 I think it was ready.
00:13:29.000 Everything was prepped.
00:13:30.000 And Jack kind of was the straw that broke the camel's back.
00:13:33.000 He's like, no, no, no!
00:13:35.000 All you Arabs in the Democrat Party, you Hamas wing, are you okay with this? 1.00
00:13:39.000 And it kind of created a summer... It was a weekend of jihad. 0.51
00:13:44.000 It really was.
00:13:46.000 It was a... It was a Jack Jihad. 0.60
00:13:48.000 It was a Jack Jihad. 0.81
00:13:50.000 This video... By the way, I saw this video and I said... I remember I was in Dallas last week when I saw it.
00:13:54.000 I turned on my phone and I said, This is going to be tough to beat.
00:13:57.000 This vibe, this energy, it's well-produced, it's well-edited.
00:14:00.000 Right, Tyler?
00:14:01.000 It was the best ad I've ever seen.
00:14:04.000 I was like, oh goodness.
00:14:05.000 It was really good.
00:14:06.000 This is warfare.
00:14:07.000 And I was like, they're going to go with this guy and it's going to be really hard.
00:14:11.000 The media will just carry this guy and they won't talk.
00:14:14.000 And I was like, oh my goodness.
00:14:15.000 They'll make his name bigger on the posters.
00:14:18.000 Of course they will.
00:14:19.000 And he'll raise so much money.
00:14:20.000 I mean, he will raise so much money.
00:14:23.000 This is 97.
00:14:24.000 This was what was supposed to be.
00:14:26.000 But we are unburdened by what has been.
00:14:30.000 Play cut 97.
00:14:30.000 Philadelphia, we got work to do.
00:14:32.000 We're ready to rival, y'all!
00:14:36.000 I'm Mayor Sherrell Parker, here with leaders from across our region.
00:14:41.000 Kamala Harris is on the road to victory.
00:14:43.000 And the road goes to Pennsylvania.
00:14:46.000 And in Pennsylvania, we're united behind her.
00:14:48.000 The woman that's tough and can lead. 0.95
00:14:51.000 Are we ready to fight for it?
00:14:54.000 She is the right person at the right time for this job.
00:14:57.000 It's going to do right by labor.
00:14:59.000 It's going to do right by working people.
00:15:01.000 And I can't think of a better partner than our Governor Johnson.
00:15:08.000 His policies have not only supported the working class, but have set standards for progressive leadership that benefits all citizens.
00:15:15.000 Building up the ability trade.
00:15:17.000 IBEW for Kamala Harris.
00:15:18.000 Montgomery County.
00:15:19.000 Bucks.
00:15:21.000 Delco.
00:15:21.000 Chester.
00:15:22.000 Northeast.
00:15:23.000 South Philly.
00:15:24.000 North Philly.
00:15:24.000 For Kamala Harris.
00:15:26.000 We're getting behind Kamala Harris.
00:15:27.000 Kamala Harris.
00:15:28.000 Kamala Harris.
00:15:29.000 Kamala Harris for President.
00:15:31.000 And Josh Shapiro.
00:15:32.000 Josh Shapiro.
00:15:33.000 Josh Shapiro for Vice President.
00:15:35.000 Now, we need you.
00:15:37.000 Let us and Kamala Harris know you stand with her.
00:15:40.000 Together, we can do this.
00:15:42.000 We are one city.
00:15:43.000 One region.
00:15:48.000 A few things.
00:15:50.000 One, there's very little Kamala Harris in that video.
00:15:55.000 She has one line and it's not delivered very well.
00:15:57.000 Yes.
00:15:58.000 Like, we are ready to do this.
00:16:01.000 Very strange.
00:16:03.000 And then also, did they either, like, edit did they dub an actual speech or did they fake a whole
00:16:09.000 rally no they kind of they took a previous unrelated labor rally and reconfigured it into a josh shapiro
00:16:16.000 vp announcement whoa it was very weird so just was it was what the way they had set it up was it
00:16:23.000 was supposed to be a kamal harris um you know just like you like you say this labor rally
00:16:29.000 And then when Josh Shapiro's name was being floated around, they said, OK, you know, like you said, they turned it into a shadow Josh Shapiro for vice president rally.
00:16:38.000 Then they cut the promo to make it look as if he had already been chosen.
00:16:43.000 And there was this there was this statement put out by the Philadelphia mayor's office, by Cheryl Parker's office, saying that, oh, it was it was posted by accident.
00:16:51.000 By accident?
00:16:53.000 People in Shapiro's office and people in the Philadelphia machine were starting—and by the way, that's Bob Brady up there.
00:16:59.000 That's the guy who's run the Philadelphia Democrat machine for an entire generation.
00:17:03.000 That one old white guy that you see standing up in those clips, that's Bob Brady.
00:17:07.000 Like, if you want to know where the ballots in Philly are coming from, just go check Bob's house.
00:17:12.000 That, you know, this was a complete operation because they wanted to make it look like Shapiro was already the shoo-in.
00:17:18.000 And keep in mind that when Shapiro was at Cheney University being asked about this, Being asked about J.D.
00:17:23.000 Vance, he makes some comments along the lines of, like, I'll be happy to say that to J.D.' 's face.
00:17:28.000 I'll be happy to tell that to J.D.' 's face, as if he's going to be seeing him very soon.
00:17:33.000 And so this was ready to go, and then something happened this weekend, this last weekend, Jack, where they blinked, they second-guessed, and they decided to go to Bernie Sanders of the Beer Belly, Stolen Valor, You know, I like the smell of burnt tires in the morning, Marxist, driver's license for illegals, tampons for boys. 0.56
00:17:55.000 I mean, Jack, explain to me how Josh Shapiro was somehow a more controversial pick than the most unimpressive person in American politics that I've ever seen, Tim Walz.
00:18:07.000 Well, so the way to look at it this way is, it's the most, he's more controversial for their side, right?
00:18:14.000 So he's more controversial because he would have driven a wedge between the Democrats and their base, the same wedge, by the way, you're seeing come out right now with the Cori Bush race last night, the fact that she lost in a very close, I think it was the Fifth most spent on primary in like all of American politics or something.
00:18:33.000 So there's this huge intranescene party fight that's going on on the Democrat side right now.
00:18:38.000 That's something that, and I kept hearing all throughout that Barack Obama says, just avoid Shapiro, go pick Tim Walz.
00:18:45.000 He's good with mid Midwest labor.
00:18:48.000 He's good with, um, you know, he's, he's been an Obama guy for years and years.
00:18:52.000 It was back to the Obamacare days and all of this.
00:18:54.000 So just stick with him.
00:18:55.000 It's easy money.
00:18:56.000 Won't rock the boat very much.
00:18:58.000 And, you know, this Josh guy, you gotta watch out for him.
00:19:01.000 And then even John Fetterman, by the way.
00:19:03.000 This was huge.
00:19:04.000 So the Fetterman-Shapiro shade war has been brewing for a long time.
00:19:10.000 It goes back to years together.
00:19:11.000 Think about it.
00:19:11.000 John Fetterman is the one Pennsylvania high-level Democrat that you don't see.
00:19:17.000 In that hype video out of Philadelphia, John Fetterman, obviously the most high profile Democrat in the entire state of Pennsylvania.
00:19:24.000 But why isn't he there?
00:19:26.000 Because he hates Josh Shapiro.
00:19:27.000 He can't stand him.
00:19:28.000 And he literally wouldn't stand for him.
00:19:31.000 If you go look at CNN's got a video.
00:19:32.000 I think it was MJ Lee that posted it from the speech yesterday when Shapiro walked out You go look and everyone around is standing but not John Fetterman.
00:19:44.000 John Fetterman is sitting there, he's got his arms crossed, he's got his hoodie on, he kind of looks away as Shapiro takes the stage.
00:19:50.000 You think that's happening by accident?
00:19:52.000 No, it's not happening by accident.
00:19:53.000 That's happening because, and he had warned Kamala Harris over the weekend, basically put in through his aides, This message that Josh Shapiro is overly ambitious, and Josh Shapiro is not someone who can be trusted.
00:20:08.000 And look at it this way.
00:20:09.000 Kamala Harris just worked with Obama to coup a sitting president to knock him out of the race. 1.00
00:20:15.000 Now does she really want to put someone in there that's going to have her looking over her back the entire time? 1.00
00:20:20.000 No.
00:20:21.000 You don't want to put... Vice presidential picks are supposed to be someone that doesn't hurt you, rather than someone who helps you that much.
00:20:29.000 So that's what they, they start looking at all of these things and they say, all right, you know, maybe Tim Walz is better.
00:20:34.000 Maybe we need to go for this.
00:20:35.000 They thought he was the safer pick as opposed to Shapiro being the quote unquote controversial pick because we were able to make him look so based on what you're saying is these, these 48 hours of just, um, uh, 48 hours of, uh, of work.
00:20:51.000 So, so the Blake, I want objectively, Did we dodge two bullets in Pennsylvania?
00:20:58.000 One in Butler, the second with Josh Shapiro?
00:21:01.000 Don't give me the Blake objective take.
00:21:05.000 What I'll say is, before we got the announcement, Sunday night, we were like, okay, let's make tweets to be ready for this so we can come out of the gate charging.
00:21:13.000 And so, full disclosure, we wrote tweets for Walls and we wrote tweets for Shapiro.
00:21:19.000 And I was trying to work up the ones for Shapiro, and what struck me was, one, it's harder to write these than it is for walls.
00:21:27.000 With walls, it's like, okay, we've got... we have the riots to work with, we have the stolen valor thing to work with.
00:21:33.000 I didn't even know about the DUI yet at the time.
00:21:35.000 We've got... it just felt like we had tons of stuff to work with for walls.
00:21:39.000 And with Shapiro, okay, we had...
00:21:42.000 We have the stuff we've mentioned, but it was very much, we're essentially, if we get this guy, we're just gonna have to hope the left freaks out about him.
00:21:50.000 And maybe they will, but the left is pretty good at coming together and getting over it.
00:21:55.000 And being totalitarian.
00:21:56.000 Yeah, exactly, and when they need it to happen.
00:22:00.000 and i don't like to go into a race where like we basically don't have agency anymore we
00:22:03.000 just have to hope the left screws it up. I totally agree.
00:22:06.000 And so with walls I was like okay all these things that are things that we can exploit to
00:22:11.000 hurt him to win over middle of the road voters with Shapiro we're just going to have to
00:22:16.000 hope the left gets mad votes for someone else doesn't turn out that they start a civil war
00:22:21.000 and we don't have much ability to affect it because even if we want to see it happen we're 0.97
00:22:25.000 not we're not going to go out there and like say like oh Shapiro sucks because he 0.77
00:22:29.000 like supports Israel more than Hamas because we support Israel more than Hamas and so I 0.78
00:22:36.000 had gone back and forth like do we want to get Shapiro out like oh this this could be
00:22:40.000 good stuff to hit him on but I found myself Sunday night thinking.
00:22:44.000 Thank you.
00:22:45.000 Man, I hope they go with Waltz because it's so much easier to attack this guy.
00:22:50.000 And we talked about it here.
00:22:50.000 I totally agree.
00:22:51.000 Remember we talked about the idea and it was kind of interesting because I kind of had that thought when we got sent some insider information on Waltz because some of the Minnesotans sent it and said, hey, they hate him.
00:23:04.000 there was like a real opportunity to knock him out last time he ran for governor and the candidate just wasn't
00:23:09.000 strong enough wasn't Funded well enough good dude, but just didn't have enough
00:23:13.000 to get over the over the top But they when they said no, this is a real possibility.
00:23:18.000 Everybody's talking around the ground here It kind of made a lot of sense because it was almost too
00:23:24.000 much for the left to not do Because they love that style of like radical which is like
00:23:29.000 that very Liz type, you know You know upper middle class 1.00
00:23:36.000 college educated That's like that's the whole
00:23:41.000 Attack vector that the left is taking is just try to take as many of those votes off the table in suburbia way.
00:23:47.000 And that's kind of the that's kind of the MO of Minnesota.
00:23:51.000 It does make a ton of sense when you look at that if they're going to go all in on Pennsylvania and then try to utilize someone like him to pick off votes in Wisconsin.
00:24:01.000 And that's their strategy at this point.
00:24:03.000 Yeah, it's win by more, lose by less.
00:24:05.000 So run up the score in the black urban areas, and then lose by less in rural areas.
00:24:09.000 But there's no evidence that Tim Walz actually loses by less in MAGA areas.
00:24:13.000 In fact, the numbers aren't there.
00:24:14.000 It's a mythology that he's kind of this blue state.
00:24:18.000 But they think that.
00:24:20.000 You know who thinks that?
00:24:21.000 People that cast for Yellowstone.
00:24:24.000 Right, Jack?
00:24:25.000 People think that because he looks a certain way.
00:24:28.000 This has been something that, and I know for a fact that we have talked about this on Thought Prime, Yellowstoning and Hicklibs and all of this stuff, that it is this operation that is being run to take like conservative aesthetics and run liberal ideals through them.
00:24:50.000 By the way, Charlie, you were, you know, since you were putting me over so much earlier, Charlie was one of the first people to To call this out, when the, uh, who was the, who was the guy, Richman of Richmond?
00:25:02.000 Oh yeah, Oliver Anthony.
00:25:03.000 Oliver Anthony.
00:25:04.000 I was very early on.
00:25:05.000 Oliver Anthony.
00:25:06.000 Charlie was like, no, this guy's, this guy's an op.
00:25:08.000 This guy's a hickleb. 1.00
00:25:10.000 And some of us were like, nah, but the song is good.
00:25:12.000 You know, some of us being me, of course, um, we're like, no, we like the song, but Charlie was like, no.
00:25:16.000 But also, Charlie had a little bit of an ace up his sleeve there, just like I did in Pennsylvania, because Charlie doesn't like country music at all.
00:25:22.000 I inherently thought it was, no, it's not music.
00:25:24.000 So I was like, I can't stand this guy.
00:25:26.000 Yeah, but that's a perfect example of it.
00:25:29.000 This idea that you're gonna take someone who's got the aesthetics of, you know, what you would traditionally think of as, like, the George W. Bush type, like, you know, country, Midwestern, wears a cowboy hat, listens to country music, has got a pair of cowboy boots, you know, drinks beer, that type of thing, and Probably owns a couple of guns, definitely owns a shotgun, and yet all of a sudden is like, was like, yeah man, and that's why we need tampons for all the boys on this ranch.
00:26:02.000 And that's like, and so this is where the Yellowstone meme came from, which by the way, I also credit for driving Kevin Costner totally out of the show, because we memed him so hard that he refused to even come back for Yellowstone after we made the meme.
00:26:18.000 That, you know, it's just been this thing that's going on.
00:26:20.000 We talked about it a number of times.
00:26:22.000 And Tim Walz is like the political weaponization of the Hicklib trend that's been going on for so long.
00:26:29.000 But the problem is that the people of Minnesota can see through it.
00:26:33.000 And if you look at his voting patterns, and some people were posting, I think Tom Bevins at RCP was posting the last, the county by county election from his last gubernatorial, which I guess was 2022.
00:26:45.000 And it's like, no, he won with metro city areas and like the metro Burbanites and the rural areas all voted Republican.
00:26:52.000 So it's just not expressed in the data.
00:26:55.000 It's just basically, we've proposed up at humanevents.com a new op-ed from the editorial board saying, no, he's not a folksy Midwestern dad.
00:27:04.000 He's what a woke San Francisco liberal thinks a folksy Midwestern dad looks and talks like just because he sounds like he's from Fargo.
00:27:13.000 Yeah, and Blake?
00:27:14.000 Well, I just, I think, I want to quote it because it's a really good part of the book, Right-Wing Revolution.
00:27:19.000 One of the early chapters, it's basically like, you know, the book is saying how to not fall for what the left does.
00:27:27.000 And one of the analogies he uses, you compare it all to drag shows.
00:27:30.000 Like, what is a drag show?
00:27:32.000 It's a man dressing up as a woman, pretending to be a woman.
00:27:35.000 Be like, I'm a woman!
00:27:36.000 Look at me!
00:27:38.000 And when you think about it, it's what the left does with so many people.
00:27:42.000 And so, you know, they'll try it out.
00:27:43.000 This is a general with the U.S.
00:27:45.000 military, and he's telling you that, you know, we need to care about white rage and we need to do all these things.
00:27:50.000 And you like the military, right?
00:27:52.000 You like all those rah-rah patriot stuff.
00:27:55.000 Or they'll bring out, you know, a pro athlete.
00:27:57.000 This guy's in the NFL.
00:27:59.000 He throws the football.
00:28:00.000 You like football.
00:28:00.000 It's similar to skin suiting.
00:28:01.000 Yeah, skin suiting.
00:28:02.000 He's got a camo hat!
00:28:03.000 He's got a camo hat!
00:28:03.000 It is considered. It's a horror of kids.
00:28:05.000 It's like what Governor Walz says. They'll be like, Governor Walz, you think you're gonna attack this guy?
00:28:09.000 Look at him. He's wearing orange. He shot a bird with a shotgun.
00:28:11.000 You like hunting, don't you?
00:28:13.000 He's got a camo hat!
00:28:15.000 He's got a camo hat!
00:28:17.000 He's wearing camouflage!
00:28:19.000 That means you're okay with all of those other things he does.
00:28:21.000 He wants to cut the little kids' pee-pees off.
00:28:23.000 What?
00:28:25.000 No!
00:28:26.000 And what's sad is for a long time this did work, and for decades really it would work.
00:28:32.000 They honed this whole art of get this, yeah, this like Hick Lib out of Minnesota, where you can use this coded thing of like, oh, he owns guns, and he wears camo, and he knows like what a shotgun formation is, and so he can be this insane, you know, Marxist who believes all the latest gender ideology.
00:28:53.000 But I think people are starting to figure this out now, and I'm hoping we can prove they figured it out with how they'll react to Tampon Tim.
00:29:02.000 Jack?
00:29:02.000 Well, and there's also, you know, I was gonna say, so a lot of people were going after him, you know, early on for, and Tampon Tim's hilarious, by the way, I think it's so funny, and it was so good, and Hillary Clinton even shared the Tampon Tim meme, it's like, They're used to, you know, having the levers of power, but they're not actually smart.
00:29:23.000 So, you know, you can trick them into sharing your own memes.
00:29:26.000 Like, I remember she was reading Breitbart articles at one point in this insane speech that she gave in 2016.
00:29:35.000 And she's like, sharing our memes. 0.99
00:29:38.000 Like, why would you be so dumb as to amplify opposition propaganda against your own candidate? 0.99
00:29:42.000 But okay. 0.99
00:29:44.000 So, you know, thanks, Hillary Clinton.
00:29:47.000 You know, the really big one, though, I think for Tim Walz isn't necessarily his wokeness.
00:29:51.000 It's the and the one that's getting the most traction, even to the point where CNN had to address it and is trying to dispel it as so much is, I think, within probably within 30 minutes of his of the announcement that he was That he was definitely going to be the pick.
00:30:07.000 And by the way, I could even go further.
00:30:11.000 People saying like, oh, Josh Shapiro didn't really want it, and he was telling people he didn't want it.
00:30:15.000 He was sitting there all night.
00:30:17.000 He was in the driveway playing basketball with his son, playing up for the cameras, sitting by the phone, sitting by the phone, and it never rang.
00:30:26.000 It never rang once.
00:30:28.000 But probably within 30 minutes of the announcement, I posted a tweet from this letter I found from a couple of Command Sergeant Majors from Tim Waltz's National Guard unit in Minnesota saying that this guy is stolen valor because he shirked a deployment, he deserted before deployment, and has been running around embellishing his record, claiming that he served in combat, claiming that he fought in the war on terror, claiming that he carried weapons of war, and it's just a lie.
00:30:58.000 So not only is it a lie that he didn't serve, right, so that's number one, excuse me, serve in combat.
00:31:03.000 He did serve, he certainly served.
00:31:04.000 and it but it's definitely a lie that he served in combat but even more to the point it's it's 10 times more egregious because he deserted his unit just as they were on the eve of deploying and deployment by the way where they lost a 19 year old soldier to an IED and this guy was the senior NCO so he would have been the command sergeant major He then didn't even complete his his E9 school so his command sergeant major school which means that he didn't even retire with his final rank so he's been running around using this rank claiming even like Elissa Farah is saying oh he was he's the highest ranking enlisted man to ever serve in Congress but it's not actually true because he didn't retire with that rank it's it's
00:31:48.000 Kind of complicated, but the way to explain it is that sometimes in the military, or a lot of times in the military, in the Navy we call it frocking, it's you get selected for your next rank, and so you kind of get to pin it on, but you don't on your uniform, but you don't necessarily get to actually serve in that rank until you complete whatever the requisite.
00:32:10.000 Sometimes there's coursework, sometimes there's other things you have to do to, you know, sign offs, etc, etc, before you get to actually fully attain that rank.
00:32:18.000 And because he didn't do that, he didn't follow the rules, he left before his unit deployed to Iraq, where a soldier died.
00:32:26.000 He was retired at the lower rank of E8, which, you know, is still a great rank and all, but it's not the one that he was claiming.
00:32:34.000 And so he lied, and I found this letter, a paid letter to, um, it's like the Central Western Tribune, back in 2018, of two people just saying, of two retired Command Sergeant Majors saying, hey, this guy's been lying about his record.
00:32:46.000 And now J.D.
00:32:48.000 Vance is getting in on it, and I think that's going to become a huge problem for them because it directly goes to what Blake has been talking about.
00:32:55.000 It directly attacks him on those same grounds of, like, I'm a man of the people.
00:33:00.000 I'm a regular Midwestern guy when you're not.
00:33:03.000 So let's now examine this from a political standpoint.
00:33:06.000 Tyler, why did they pass over the obviously more impressive astronaut?
00:33:13.000 who is the Senator from Arizona, by all objective measurements, is more popular, more well-known than Tim Walz, would have made a much better story.
00:33:21.000 He could have been like, my wife got shot, gun violence, all that nonsense that they push.
00:33:26.000 Why did they go with Tim Walz?
00:33:28.000 By the way, you could say what you want about Mark Kelly.
00:33:30.000 Mark Kelly is perched by the CCP, has a very questionable personal life, but he doesn't have this crazy stuff like tampons and boys' bathrooms and late-term abortion.
00:33:40.000 I mean, it would have been a much narrower attack vector if they would have went Harris-Kelley.
00:33:45.000 And by the way, Harris-Kelley sounds better than Harris-Walls.
00:33:48.000 Yeah, Kamala Kelley sounds really, you know, Kamala Kelley. 0.99
00:33:52.000 Why did they pass over the Arizona Astronauts?
00:33:54.000 There's a couple, there's like four different reasons.
00:33:56.000 I don't know if we'll get to all of them right now, but the, I mean, you're making a really good point.
00:34:01.000 The scary part about Mark Kelly is that he basically has no record at all.
00:34:06.000 So he's never served in any kind of capacity before getting elected to the Senate.
00:34:11.000 He's done basically nothing in the Senate.
00:34:12.000 In fact, the guy hides from everybody.
00:34:14.000 He's rarely here.
00:34:15.000 He lives in Houston.
00:34:16.000 So he's not he's not even from here, right?
00:34:18.000 The only reason why he claims Arizona is because his wife to I think he really talks to live here for a couple years when he was training for the Air Force of Tucson or some point.
00:34:27.000 But yeah, I mean, but his wife's from Tucson. 0.99
00:34:29.000 That's where she got shot.
00:34:31.000 You know, that was a horrible incident that that occurred.
00:34:34.000 But when he met, you know, After they got married, they would go back and forth, but he spent most of his time in Houston.
00:34:38.000 That's where his kids were, that's where everything else, right?
00:34:41.000 We've known that, right?
00:34:41.000 We launched rockets.
00:34:42.000 That's where he's from.
00:34:43.000 So, he's not an Arizonan by any qualification.
00:34:47.000 He's hardly spent any time here.
00:34:48.000 He's probably spent more time, I would guess, in almost every other state touring.
00:34:54.000 In Orbit?
00:34:55.000 Yeah, in Orbit, for sure.
00:34:56.000 He's spent more time in Orbit than he has in Arizona.
00:34:58.000 But I mean, it's kind of impressive, though.
00:35:00.000 I mean... No, but that's why he's perfect.
00:35:02.000 His biography is... That's why he's perfect.
00:35:04.000 ...extraterrestrial.
00:35:05.000 That's why he's perfect, is because he's like anything you want to make him into, and that's what the Democrat Party loves.
00:35:12.000 Tim Walz is not.
00:35:13.000 So there's a couple different reasons why I'll get into one of them that I think is the most important.
00:35:18.000 I think the most important issue for Mark Kelly that you just cannot ignore is I think they are so legitimately concerned about the about Arizona in the long term that any kind of qualification of, you know, removing somebody that is the future for them.
00:35:36.000 Like, I think they're afraid we're getting wise to the state.
00:35:39.000 Well, number one, they don't want to pull out a talent because they have no one to legitimately replace them with.
00:35:45.000 So if they win, right?
00:35:47.000 And this is how they think.
00:35:48.000 I don't think they're going to win.
00:35:49.000 But if they won, they think, well, then we're totally screwed now because we have no one to replace Mark Kelly with.
00:35:55.000 And Doug Ducey could run, potentially, or whatever.
00:35:59.000 In a swing state, you know, type atmosphere.
00:36:01.000 Number two, and I think it's really important- Can they do that?
00:36:04.000 Well, if he- Can they just do that at convention?
00:36:07.000 Well, hold on.
00:36:07.000 I'm gonna get to that in a second, Jack, because I think- Yes, but one second.
00:36:11.000 I don't think we're out of the woods yet.
00:36:12.000 Well, we're not.
00:36:13.000 Yeah, we're not.
00:36:13.000 Because this Stolen Valor thing's heating up.
00:36:16.000 Yeah, well, maybe we should just chill a little bit.
00:36:18.000 I mean, I think we should be open about it, but just be very clear that a replacement of Wallace would be like 40.
00:36:26.000 But what is it?
00:36:26.000 What is it?
00:36:27.000 Nobody cares. 0.99
00:36:27.000 I mean, you would cover it up and they'd be like, oh, sorry, he's a buffoon. 0.99
00:36:30.000 We messed up. 0.97
00:36:31.000 Now here's Mark Kelly.
00:36:32.000 But let's be very clear.
00:36:34.000 You pick Mark Kelly.
00:36:35.000 He has suspicious CCP balloon ties.
00:36:37.000 Yeah.
00:36:37.000 And he also is not a loyally married, allegedly, to Let's just say there's a lot of skeletons in the closet, right?
00:36:45.000 And so a lot of skeletons in the, what do you call the storage bay within a rocket ship?
00:36:53.000 There's a lot of skeletons in there.
00:36:54.000 So that's the second point.
00:36:56.000 The third point is that legitimately all the numbers and all the trends and everything looking in Arizona right now do not look good for the Democrats.
00:37:02.000 So I'll just point out one thing.
00:37:04.000 Michigan versus Arizona in the primary.
00:37:06.000 Michigan, early balloting, the Democrats were up basically 20% on the Republicans.
00:37:12.000 Here in the primary, the Republican Party is basically up 20%.
00:37:16.000 And that's with a bunch of our boomers in midwestern states.
00:37:20.000 Not here.
00:37:20.000 The state loses like 15% of its population.
00:37:23.000 20%, right?
00:37:23.000 Yeah, at least.
00:37:24.000 We become 20% less populated in three months of the year.
00:37:27.000 And younger families leave the state for going out of town.
00:37:30.000 to summer snow. I understand where they're all going. Yeah, and they go back to Iowa or they go back to Chicago or they
00:37:36.000 go back to Minneapolis. And younger families leave the state for going out of town. So you're out of town for
00:37:42.000 three to four weeks in the summertime, different places. So there's a lot of people missing.
00:37:47.000 There's a lot of uncertainty for the Democrats.
00:37:49.000 They're looking at the operation of things that we're doing and others are coming in and going, wait a minute, you know, the Republicans in Arizona have kind of figured some stuff out.
00:37:58.000 You know, there's less of it being figured out in other places.
00:38:02.000 And they have dumped more money into Pennsylvania and Wisconsin than almost anywhere.
00:38:09.000 They have to win Michigan, so they have a grassroots army that's there in Michigan.
00:38:12.000 So this is a full blue wall strategy.
00:38:15.000 They have to defend the Rust Belt, and that's what they're doing.
00:38:19.000 So let's just play this out though.
00:38:22.000 Trending on Twitter, over 306,000 posts.
00:38:23.000 I'm telling you, this Stolen Valor thing is heating up.
00:38:27.000 And, it's gonna cause... I don't think it's gonna slow down anytime soon.
00:38:30.000 Because it's so bad.
00:38:31.000 And, would you agree, Blake?
00:38:33.000 What's so bad about it is, it's not even just a case... We've had a lot of cases of people who play up their military service.
00:38:39.000 Like, was it Blumenthal who said that he... Denang Dick Blumenthal.
00:38:43.000 Denang Dick Blumenthal.
00:38:43.000 There's a lot of guys where it's like, they served... Connecticut.
00:38:46.000 but they implied they were like in a war zone when they were no he was really 0.84
00:38:50.000 bad his was pretty bad he was worse than john kerry yeah i think dick literally was like i went to vietnam i 0.96
00:38:54.000 don't think he did it all 0.92
00:38:56.000 yeah yeah yeah there was a during the vietnam you know it was the worst
00:39:00.000 example of stolen dollar we what i'd say makes this actually very bad is it's not
00:39:04.000 merely a case of him playing up we have that which does make this work this one
00:39:08.000 jeopardize he implied he implied that he was like serving in a more like he was
00:39:12.000 in a war zone when he wasn't that's bad but i think i could get through that
00:39:16.000 what is bad is and a completely objective narration of what he did do
00:39:21.000 makes him look like he's a very bad character like but here's a summary a friend of mine uh... wrote up for me
00:39:28.000 where he's like waltz's uh... fellow like the people who've spoken up from
00:39:32.000 his old unit have been very clear and consistent about what happened
00:39:36.000 their brigade is made aware of a coming iraq deployment Sometime early in 2005 they learn of this.
00:39:42.000 The sergeant's major of all the subordinate battalions hold a meeting at brigade to discuss at which Walz affirms his commitment to go.
00:39:51.000 Then in May, Walz drops retirement papers without informing the brigade sergeant major or any of his peers.
00:39:58.000 By retiring, he voids a promotion that he's received and reverts to Master Sergeant, which
00:40:03.000 incidentally greatly lowers his pension pay.
00:40:06.000 And he doesn't even show up to sign the relevant paperwork for it.
00:40:09.000 He just bolts, right before his unit goes to Iraq.
00:40:14.000 And you know what?
00:40:15.000 You could even be frank.
00:40:17.000 I wouldn't have wanted to go to Iraq, probably.
00:40:19.000 It doesn't seem like it was a very fun time.
00:40:22.000 But he was in a position of leadership over other people, and he cut and ran, and then
00:40:28.000 he played up his veteran status after doing so.
00:40:31.000 And then lied about what he did, egregiously.
00:40:34.000 And CNN is admitting this is the case.
00:40:37.000 I think you're going to get more veterans.
00:40:39.000 I bet they'll find more people.
00:40:40.000 This is a big unit.
00:40:41.000 They'll get more people who will come out, and they will be very aggrieved by this.
00:40:44.000 He is not the Democrat vice presidential nominee yet.
00:40:47.000 I want to be very clear.
00:40:48.000 Kamala Harris went through a virtual roll call. Tim Wells did not. This is a suggestion.
00:40:52.000 There's just- all that is is a bunch of rally signs with his name on it. This could be switched out in a moment.
00:40:58.000 Do not- I'm not saying it's probable. I'm not even saying it is likely.
00:41:02.000 Is it good if it happens?
00:41:04.000 No- no.
00:41:05.000 Do we want him to stay in? Or- We kind of want him to stay in because the media is a freaking Soviet brainwashing operation right now. 0.67
00:41:11.000 Where it's like Trump gets shot and three days later they're saying Trump's a coward. 0.97
00:41:15.000 Nothing has staying power.
00:41:16.000 Donald Trump has faced more enemy fire than Walls ever did.
00:41:20.000 That's exactly right!
00:41:22.000 And Trump has been shot!
00:41:25.000 Tim Walz never took a bullet for this country.
00:41:27.000 You know who did?
00:41:27.000 Donald Trump.
00:41:28.000 Not even that.
00:41:28.000 Tim Walz has never been in a firefight.
00:41:30.000 Donald Trump has.
00:41:32.000 So I'm of the opinion that a switch is bad because this was... I think they go Kelly after this.
00:41:38.000 Because Shapiro is dead because he's a Jew and they hate Jews. 0.94
00:41:43.000 Yeah, but can I point something out?
00:41:45.000 Part of the reason why Kelly and Shapiro may not be here, and I know the room- Or maybe Bashir is the backup, I don't know.
00:41:52.000 Maybe Bashir, yeah.
00:41:53.000 But I think the general consensus around the room is that Shapiro wanted it really bad and he got- He's too ambitious.
00:42:00.000 But Kelly, I think, actually stepped away from it and was like, I actually think that- I think he's afraid of his skeletons.
00:42:06.000 And also, why would you want to go down with Kamala?
00:42:10.000 I don't know.
00:42:13.000 Your career is over.
00:42:15.000 There's a 50-50 shot she wins. 1.00
00:42:16.000 Let's just be honest.
00:42:17.000 In a swing state though, if you lose, and you're with her, tied to her, you're going to be tied to her for the rest of your life.
00:42:23.000 It's like the Sarah Palin thing.
00:42:25.000 Or the Tim Kaine phenomenon.
00:42:27.000 No one ever talks about Tim Kaine.
00:42:27.000 No one wants to talk to you ever again.
00:42:29.000 So I think it's very unlikely they pulled Tim Walz. 0.93
00:42:32.000 However, they're in desperation mode where they're like, hey, we just pulled Biden, why don't we pull this buffoon? 0.86
00:42:37.000 Like, there's no name ID.
00:42:38.000 I'm not even saying it's likely, Blake, but if we say that it's 0%, I think that's a huge mistake.
00:42:43.000 This has not been a good rollout for them.
00:42:45.000 By the way, we have all these up here.
00:42:48.000 They're like, you know, military service of Walz put in question.
00:42:53.000 This is a thing.
00:42:55.000 We're 24 hours into his announcement, Blake, and this is becoming a narrative.
00:43:00.000 I like how it's the things you're flagging, and then also NBC has a random thing about the pyramids up there on our news wall. 0.74
00:43:06.000 The amount of stupid news that NBC has on every day, it really tells you everything you need to know. 0.84
00:43:12.000 I'm going to have to look that one up. 1.00
00:43:13.000 They just ran a whole hit piece on me on MSNBC.
00:43:15.000 That's how bad it is.
00:43:16.000 They think that the pyramids were like built underwater.
00:43:18.000 It's like this whole thing that they used water to build.
00:43:20.000 You didn't see this?
00:43:21.000 Whoa! 0.71
00:43:22.000 Like a hydraulic press?
00:43:23.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:43:25.000 They just discovered something recently.
00:43:27.000 I did hear about this.
00:43:28.000 That'd be wild if it was the case.
00:43:30.000 That's a bit off topic, but the pyramids are cool, man.
00:43:32.000 This is thought crime.
00:43:33.000 I will just say, anyone who hasn't been, the pyramids are easily the most impressive thing I've ever seen in my life.
00:43:39.000 You've been to Cairo?
00:43:40.000 Yes.
00:43:40.000 Is Cairo... Cairo is not so nice, though, is it?
00:43:43.000 No, it's a slum. 0.82
00:43:44.000 It's a slum. 1.00
00:43:45.000 Egypt is crappy. 1.00
00:43:47.000 Egyptians are all trying to scam you, I'm sure. 1.00
00:43:49.000 Bye-bye, Tyler.
00:43:51.000 We appreciate you.
00:43:52.000 He has to go chase Ballas.
00:43:54.000 But if you fly to Cairo instead, we'll understand.
00:43:57.000 That's where Andrew is.
00:43:58.000 I've been to Morocco, and it was terrible.
00:44:01.000 Morocco was so bad.
00:44:03.000 But, I mean, here's what I understand.
00:44:04.000 Everywhere that's not America is, like, not great.
00:44:07.000 I mean, there's, like, a couple other countries that... I mean, Switzerland's really rich and nice.
00:44:11.000 Dubai... The sad thing is, there's a few places that are just nicer than America now.
00:44:14.000 Singapore... No, no, I'm saying, though, but we're so used to... Cairo's a slum.
00:44:18.000 Am I wrong to say that?
00:44:18.000 Cairo is... It is a rough town.
00:44:22.000 It is... I'll say, when I'm in Egypt, I had the feeling, like, this country will eventually have a revolution, and, like, half the country will die.
00:44:30.000 What what what don't they have a revolution like every five years there?
00:44:33.000 Yeah, they had one in 2011 which made the tourism a lot cheaper
00:44:36.000 I will say but literally like because the Muslim Brotherhood was in charge. Yeah, well so their economy is very is very 0.98
00:44:42.000 weak other than other than like tourism
00:44:46.000 But they also like scare away all the tourists because they're always trying to scam you
00:44:51.000 No, it's bad.
00:44:53.000 It's endless.
00:44:54.000 I don't want to get too down this thing.
00:44:55.000 Let's go back.
00:44:56.000 I will say, the pyramids are amazing.
00:44:59.000 But, back on topic, with Walls, if he... What I'm wondering is, do we wish we can hit him so bad they force him to drop out, because then it'll be, oh, Kamala's campaign got really damaged, they had to swap someone out.
00:45:13.000 It's a 48-hour news cycle, Blake.
00:45:14.000 Yeah.
00:45:15.000 These are new rules.
00:45:16.000 Nothing hits anymore.
00:45:17.000 Yeah.
00:45:18.000 Because the media is so in the back.
00:45:19.000 That's my opinion.
00:45:20.000 And they'd probably come up with an excuse.
00:45:22.000 Walls has a medical thing he had to step aside.
00:45:24.000 They'll come up with some explanation like that.
00:45:26.000 And then, yeah, slot the new guy in.
00:45:28.000 And the question is, do they go Bashir?
00:45:30.000 Do they go Mark Kelly?
00:45:31.000 But, Jack, at the current trajectory right now of how Walls is getting beat up, I say that it would be silly to laugh at the possibility that Walls Cannot get picked.
00:45:45.000 Is that fair to say?
00:45:46.000 So, one of my... It is, Ben.
00:45:48.000 One of the things that I noticed was that... So, Charlie, you know VoteVets, right?
00:45:52.000 You know how serious of an operation VoteVets is.
00:45:53.000 It's so artificial, though, man.
00:45:54.000 It's like... I hope we win in Montana for no other reason than that.
00:45:59.000 Honestly.
00:46:00.000 So these guys are very well funded, and they put up a meme today that was one of the worst leftist memes that I've ever seen.
00:46:08.000 And I should have grabbed it before we went in.
00:46:11.000 But it was something along the lines of like, claim, Tim Walz didn't have the right rank and that he claimed and also short to deployment to Iraq.
00:46:22.000 And then the truth and it was just like, In 2005... And it's like, just complete, like, complete gobbledygook, leftist meme, like a paragraph trying to explain its way out of the fact that, you know, he just lied.
00:46:37.000 He just straight up lied.
00:46:39.000 Yeah, I'm texting with some New York Times reporters, and they're like, yeah, we're all talking on our Slack feeds.
00:46:43.000 This is bad, when it comes to walls.
00:46:45.000 Really?
00:46:45.000 Yeah.
00:46:46.000 Like, there's kind of like a... On their Slack feeds?
00:46:49.000 Yeah.
00:46:50.000 Did he say anything more?
00:46:51.000 Is that just a quote?
00:46:51.000 No, that's kind of it.
00:46:52.000 That's like... He also... Meaning, like, they're kind of looking at this, and they're, like, not commenting yet, and they're like, yeah.
00:46:57.000 I mean, this video I just sent, by the way, is, like, him being, like, saying he was a veteran of the Afghanistan War.
00:47:03.000 Well, so here's what he would do.
00:47:05.000 I can explain this one.
00:47:06.000 This is a real one, though, right, Jack?
00:47:08.000 No, it's real.
00:47:08.000 But what he's doing is this.
00:47:10.000 So he's claiming that he served in the opera.
00:47:13.000 He was placed playing fast and loose with this.
00:47:14.000 So like, for example, when and like, people know that like, I don't try to do the whole professional veteran thing and be like, Oh, by the way, you know, I served all the time.
00:47:22.000 Like a lot of people do that.
00:47:23.000 I've just I'll mention it here and there, but that's kind of it.
00:47:27.000 But I will say that I served at Guantanamo.
00:47:28.000 And I'm like, I served at Guantanamo.
00:47:30.000 That's what I did.
00:47:30.000 I served in Guantanamo.
00:47:31.000 That was probably the most whatever.
00:47:33.000 Other deployments, sure, different parts of the world, but I served at Guantanamo.
00:47:35.000 That's like the one that everybody talks about.
00:47:37.000 So deployment, not in terms of what I did.
00:47:41.000 But that deployment was under what's called Operation Enduring Freedom.
00:47:46.000 And so Operation Enduring Freedom had many different elements to it.
00:47:48.000 It had elements of Guantanamo.
00:47:50.000 So JTF Gitmo was part of Operation Enduring Freedom under DIA.
00:47:55.000 Where I served, there were elements in Europe that were in support of Operation Enduring Freedom.
00:48:00.000 There were elements in the Philippines that were considered Operation Enduring Freedom because they were counter-terror.
00:48:05.000 But from the general public, when you say that phrase, Operation Enduring Freedom, where I served in the war on terror in Operation Enduring Freedom, They think you're talking about Afghanistan because that's where the bulk of Operation Enduring Freedom was.
00:48:19.000 And basically, when he was saying that, oh, I was, you know, I was serving in serving in Operation Enduring Freedom.
00:48:28.000 That he was actually in Italy in like a support, you know, in like a support role, you know, doing some other kind of some other kind of op, which is totally on base.
00:48:37.000 And if last time I checked, Italy now, of course, of course, you can make this joke back then.
00:48:43.000 But in 2009, there were not a lot of Afghans in Italy.
00:48:45.000 Now Blake would would remind us there probably are a few more now.
00:48:49.000 But back at the time, no, that was not the case.
00:48:51.000 You were not in danger if you were in Italy.
00:48:54.000 So he ran around claiming that he was in Operation Enduring Freedom and played fast and loose with the facts because that same operational name was used to cover a lot of different missions.
00:49:04.000 It was not in Afghanistan, and he was more than happy to let people think that he was in Afghanistan.
00:49:09.000 So, uh, yeah, I was just texting with some other people there.
00:49:11.000 It's, uh, it's not looking good for Walls.
00:49:13.000 And so let me ask- And this is just the, like, the cherry on top.
00:49:16.000 So is this, is this... Are we a little worried that there's more attention on Walls than Harris?
00:49:21.000 Or I think this is just generally good because they're one and the same.
00:49:23.000 I think it's good because Wallace is beneath Harris.
00:49:27.000 And he's co-branded.
00:49:28.000 Yeah, they're co-branded.
00:49:30.000 If you're talking about the Veep in a negative way, you're talking about their ticket in a negative way.
00:49:35.000 I generally think people focus on the potential upsides of VPs, but it's really a lot more downside overall.
00:49:41.000 Like, a VP can hurt your campaign more than they can help it, I think.
00:49:45.000 And so if he like blows up and it forces them to talk about it negatively, it really derails the entire, like the game
00:49:52.000 plan of the Harris campaign, which is have no substance, don't think about it too hard, it's all great.
00:49:58.000 Any nick, any scratch, anything that throws that off destroys their entire narrative.
00:50:05.000 Like if Walls is a disaster, the only way you can salvage it is by hyping up how great Harris is.
00:50:10.000 And there's a fatal flaw with that problem, which is that Harris is awful, and even in their own hype videos, they
00:50:16.000 can only have one sentence from her, because people don't like to hear her talk, they aren't impressed by what she 0.97
00:50:22.000 says.
00:50:23.000 She's a bad candidate, and I think it's going to be incredibly difficult for them to hold this sort of fake plastic smile they've put on themselves for three straight months.
00:50:34.000 And I know it's been a tough couple weeks since she came in.
00:50:38.000 The polls got closer, a lot of people who'd left Biden came back, and it might even be tough All the way through the convention, because they're going to have positive stuff from that.
00:50:47.000 But I think if we're damaging walls and just forcing them to get Kamala out there to try to strengthen the campaign, we're in a good position.
00:50:55.000 It will be very hard for them to signal strength with nothing to back it up for that long.
00:51:01.000 I think that's well said.
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00:52:16.000 Let's hear it for yourself.
00:52:17.000 Let's play Cut 98.
00:52:18.000 In this picture, Congressman Wallace here is holding a sign that says Enduring Freedom of Veterans for Care.
00:52:25.000 This right here, under current U.S.
00:52:27.000 law, this could get the congressman probably thrown in jail in violation of the 2006 Stolen Valor Act.
00:52:34.000 Which says it is a crime, a federal crime, to portray yourself in writing or verbally as having received an award or declaration authorized by Congress that you didn't receive.
00:52:45.000 Congresswoman Wallace is clearly claiming in this picture with this sign to be an Enduring Freedom veteran.
00:52:52.000 He is clearly, nobody disputes the fact that he is not an Afghanistan or Enduring Freedom veteran.
00:52:58.000 So, this represents a fairly serious issue.
00:53:03.000 Now, Jack maybe can correct me on this, but I don't think just claiming to be on an operation would be a crime.
00:53:12.000 And technically, I think he was part of Enduring Freedom.
00:53:15.000 He's taken advantage of the connection, but it was in support of...
00:53:21.000 What I was trying to say earlier is that I've always said I served at Gitmo.
00:53:25.000 I've never referred to myself as an Operation Enduring Freedom veteran, even though technically I am, because Gitmo was considered under OEF.
00:53:36.000 But it just doesn't feel right, because everyone knows that OEF is generally referring to Afghanistan, and you served in Afghanistan.
00:53:45.000 So, you know, is he technically correct?
00:53:48.000 Yeah, but he didn't.
00:53:49.000 You know, he could have just said, I served in NATO, right?
00:53:52.000 You know, what's wrong with saying he served in NATO?
00:53:54.000 But of course, for political points, he wanted to paint the picture of him serving in Afghanistan.
00:54:01.000 So he's shading the truth.
00:54:02.000 Now, that being said, I believe that most of the Stolen Valor acts Have more to do with awards rather than specific operations.
00:54:11.000 There's been a bunch of different iterations and the Supreme Court's ruled a bit on this.
00:54:15.000 I haven't looked at whatever the most updated version of it is, but I know that it generally has to do with awards.
00:54:22.000 That recent Wisconsin poll just dropped, by the way, shows that Trump only down one, and that's a Marquette poll, which is a really good poll.
00:54:29.000 And so that's, with all of this Kamala-mentum and all that stuff, Tim Walz, that's a good data point.
00:54:34.000 For sure, for sure.
00:54:35.000 And we've talked about, you know, with Walz and Kamala, I think it shifted the coalitions to be a little bit more like they were in 2016 and 2020, which is good, because what did Wisconsin do in both of those elections?
00:54:48.000 Massively overperformed Wisconsin and this is why I were investing so heavily in Wisconsin addition to Arizona and we'll close with this.
00:54:56.000 You know people say Charlie what why Wisconsin why Wisconsin?
00:55:00.000 It was the closest 2020 state of the blue wall by far.
00:55:04.000 It is the hardest to pull hardest to cheat most decentralized and the ones that are the most willing to just kind of check out of TV ads and just really look at the candidates and shock pollsters time and time again.
00:55:18.000 Pennsylvania is tough.
00:55:20.000 It's just a tough, tough lift.
00:55:22.000 I'm looking at it now.
00:55:23.000 Yep.
00:55:23.000 In 2020, the RCP, Real Clear Politics, average for Wisconsin was plus 6.7.
00:55:29.000 Overformed by six.
00:55:31.000 Yeah.
00:55:31.000 So, and by the way, 2016 was similar.
00:55:33.000 Similar.
00:55:33.000 Yes.
00:55:34.000 Both times.
00:55:35.000 Trump has overperformed by six.
00:55:37.000 So here's a question I have, Blake.
00:55:38.000 Have these pollsters adjusted their methodology to adapt to the errors in 2020, 2016?
00:55:45.000 They're always trying to do it.
00:55:47.000 And overall, they were, despite Wisconsin being bad, they were a bit better in 2020.
00:55:52.000 I do think 2024 is just going to be hard because as we've said the coalitions are so different.
00:55:57.000 We've never had even like a stint of an election where low propensity voters leaned more Republican.
00:56:03.000 That's such a new reality.
00:56:05.000 Only Trump has factored that in.
00:56:07.000 Exactly.
00:56:07.000 And so I think they'll try.
00:56:09.000 I think they might fail at it.
00:56:12.000 I'm a skeptic that they're ever engineering these polls just to do a specific thing.
00:56:16.000 They want to be accurate.
00:56:17.000 I'm not saying that, but I'm saying that have they learned from their polling misses in years past, and this time they've changed their formula.
00:56:24.000 They've definitely adjusted them, whether they've done it successfully.
00:56:28.000 We really won't know, because what's crazy with this is, we get a million polls and we get one election day in November, and, well, election month in October.
00:56:36.000 And I suppose, in addition, the sampling seems to be heavily Democratic recently in some of these states.
00:56:43.000 It is, but this is a thing they'll point out every time, and you can't go too far with that because, well, if a candidate is doing better in the election, more people are going to say, yes, I am a Democrat who supports this person.
00:56:56.000 So you'll see this.
00:56:58.000 They would do this a lot in 2012.
00:56:59.000 They would say like, oh, they're oversampling Democrats relative to what they're supposed to be.
00:57:03.000 But they weren't.
00:57:04.000 It's just that there were more people saying they were Democrats because Obama was winning the election.
00:57:07.000 No, for sure.
00:57:08.000 I just think that with Trump's turnout ability, it's hard to sample that.
00:57:12.000 For sure.
00:57:13.000 For sure.
00:57:14.000 Okay.
00:57:15.000 Jack, this show is in honor of you, so congrats.
00:57:18.000 But I don't think we're out of the woods yet, Jack.
00:57:20.000 So keep that very special picture you have of Josh Shapiro handy.
00:57:24.000 Oh don't worry folks, don't worry.
00:57:26.000 I've got more than enough on Josh Shapiro, on Tim Walz, on Mark Kelly, and anybody else who wants to step up and make the very foolish decision of being next to Kamala Harris.
00:57:39.000 And it's like, It's like, oh, I'm so sorry.
00:57:41.000 I was supposed to be, like, off enjoying the fact that I got this New York Times bestseller in the same week.
00:57:47.000 And of course, all the people on the book side are like, Jack, we need you for this interview.
00:57:51.000 We're doing a book tour down in Texas.
00:57:52.000 We're doing this big event.
00:57:53.000 I'm like, no, guys, I'm busy.
00:57:55.000 What do you mean?
00:57:55.000 I'm destroying Josh Spear.
00:57:56.000 I'm very busy right now.
00:57:57.000 I'll be back to you in a couple of days.
00:58:00.000 But fine.
00:58:01.000 Don't worry about it.
00:58:01.000 We got receipts on all of them.
00:58:03.000 I want to just play Cut 99 really quick.
00:58:05.000 This is Tim Walz on C-SPAN.
00:58:07.000 Play Cut 99.
00:58:08.000 What's your background, and how did somebody from Nebraska end up in Minnesota?
00:58:11.000 Yeah, well, my wife's from Minnesota, so she took me there.
00:58:14.000 Actually, it was based on the educational system in Minnesota was one that we kind of aspired to teach in, so I ended up in southern Minnesota.
00:58:21.000 My wife's been there for many generations.
00:58:24.000 And your military background?
00:58:25.000 I spent 24 years in the National Guard, some of that full-time.
00:58:28.000 I was an artilleryman.
00:58:29.000 I deployed in support of Operation Enduring Freedom, my battalion provided.
00:58:34.000 base security throughout the european theater from turkey to england uh... in the early stages of the war in afghanistan and that same battalion is now in iraq at this time very carefully worded there our guys we got on this fact thanks so much keep on committing thought crimes will see if the wall survives thanks so much thanks so much for listening everybody email us is always freedom at charlie kirk dot com thanks so much for listening