The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 55 — Nervous Kamala's First Interview

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00:01:26.000 Okay, ThoughtCrime Thursday.

00:01:27.000 A little delayed tonight because we wanted to see and react to the Kamala Harris interview, which was supposed to be all this pent-up interest in a single interview.

00:01:39.000 She should be doing these once a day. 0.73

00:01:40.000 It's ridiculous.

00:01:41.000 I think we have Blake. 0.57

00:01:42.000 Jack is trying to come in.

00:01:43.000 We want to have immediate reaction here, though.

00:01:47.000 Your reaction, she's not good at this. 0.99

00:01:49.000 Speaking and talking, she's a nervous wreck.

00:01:52.000 And you can see why they've been hiding her for quite some time.

00:01:55.000 Can't believe I'm saying this.

00:01:56.000 I thought Dana Bash did a good job. 1.00

00:01:58.000 I thought she was far more clear and fair in her follow-up than I would have anticipated.

00:02:03.000 But you're looking at this as an independent swing voter for Kamala Harris.

00:02:06.000 She doesn't seem strong.

00:02:07.000 She doesn't seem poised.

00:02:09.000 She's flailing her hands all over the place. 1.00

00:02:11.000 Blake, your reaction to the much-awaited interview with Kamala Harris?

00:02:16.000 Yeah, Charlie, I think the one that stood out to me the most, and it looks like it stood out to a few other people, I saw some tweets to this effect online, including some from liberals, is when Dana asks her, what will you do day one of your presidency?

00:02:29.000 That's a common question.

00:02:31.000 They asked that of every single presidential candidate going back years.

00:02:36.000 Obama had a day one agenda, all these things.

00:02:39.000 And they ask it to her, and she doesn't have an answer.

00:02:43.000 She starts blathering, like, my first, my day one objective will be to help the middle class.

00:02:48.000 That's not an answer, Charlie.

00:02:50.000 That's not a thing you can do.

00:02:51.000 You know, you can say, I'll do this executive order, that executive order.

00:02:55.000 I'll reverse this or that policy.

00:02:57.000 Trump has an answer to that question.

00:02:59.000 Other candidates have answers to that question.

00:03:01.000 And she freezes up and just is like, I'm gonna do good things when I'm president.

00:03:07.000 And admittedly, there's a bit of awkwardness because of the other things she has to deal with, which is you are already in an administration right now, so anything she promises to do day one is something that Biden could do now and why isn't he?

00:03:21.000 But it was jarring she didn't have a better answer to that.

00:03:25.000 It was jarring how There was a lot of word salad in her answers.

00:03:31.000 I think her answer when they asked her about, like, Israel-Gaza, she says, like, a deal is necessary not just to end it, but to unlock what will come after.

00:03:41.000 It was just a very...

00:03:45.000 And I'll say the only thing that surprised me that she didn't really need to lean on Tim Walls as much as I thought like I kind of thought he might swoop in there to help supplement and answer at some point but that didn't happen and I think probably they calculated if he did that it would get really seized upon so he did just sit there being the emotional support Tim Walls the whole time except when they asked him directly so that was probably the one big upside but it did it was not as strong as she would have wanted I think.

00:04:12.000 So I'm here at WhiteHouse.gov.

00:04:14.000 What a better journalist should do next time, and she hopefully will sit down for another interview, but this might be it, is, well Kamala, your administration did the following things on your first day.

00:04:24.000 According to WhiteHouse.gov, you stopped border wall construction.

00:04:28.000 This is literally on WhiteHouse.gov.

00:04:30.000 Bipartisan majorities in Congress refused in 2019 to fund Trump's plan for a massive border wall, even after he shut down the government over this issue.

00:04:37.000 He then wastefully diverted billions of dollars to that construction.

00:04:40.000 By proclamation, Joe Biden will today declare an immediate termination of the National Emergency Declaration that was used as a pretext to justify some of the funding diversions to the wall.

00:04:49.000 The proclamation directs an immediate pause in wall construction, protects to allow a closer view of the legality of the funding and contracting methods used, and to determine the best way to redirect those funds.

00:04:59.000 That's number one.

00:05:00.000 Number two, there's an executive order here about preventing a discrimination of having trans people in the military.

00:05:07.000 Do you still support that, Kamala Harris?

00:05:08.000 Of course she does.

00:05:09.000 And then finally, getting rid of the Keystone XL pipeline.

00:05:13.000 Blake, you know, this is from your reach in the world.

00:05:14.000 Day one, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris signed an executive order getting rid of the Keystone XL pipeline.

00:05:20.000 And so these are very simple questions of day one, because she's already had a day one.

00:05:25.000 And that's what's such a misleading component of this.

00:05:28.000 Your day one was in January of 2021.

00:05:30.000 I'm gonna get Jack Posobiec in here.

00:05:33.000 Jack, welcome to your own show.

00:05:34.000 Jack, your reaction, your thought here to the Kamala Harris-Tim Walz conversation.

00:05:41.000 Yeah, Charlie, look.

00:05:43.000 She didn't do what she needed to do.

00:05:45.000 She came across as someone who studied just before she went to the tests, to the oral exam.

00:05:52.000 This came across as non-presidential.

00:05:55.000 This didn't come across as someone who's inspiring millions of people that she should be.

00:06:00.000 Among all the 300 plus million, depending on whether or not the SAVE Act gets passed, people that are going to be in the country come this election day, She is the one who's most important.

00:06:14.000 She's the one who should lead us.

00:06:15.000 She's the one that should deal with all of these thorny issues that we have facing us as a country.

00:06:20.000 This is the person.

00:06:20.000 There was nothing in this interview.

00:06:22.000 It was basically, it felt like she was treading water the entire interview.

00:06:26.000 She seemed frustrated to be there.

00:06:27.000 She came across as completely inauthentic.

00:06:30.000 And it's sort of like, oh, you survived, like you made it to the last round without getting knocked out.

00:06:35.000 Is that really someone that we want as our president who struggles through a CNN interview?

00:06:40.000 And not to get into specifics, but that is my overall 50,000 foot view take, is that

00:06:46.000 this wasn't at the level of where it needs to be for a presidential candidate, nor would

00:06:51.000 it have been for anyone had they actually gone through a primary on the Democrat side.

00:06:55.000 Gavin Newsom would have been better than this.

00:06:57.000 Gretchen Whitmer would have been better than this. 1.00

00:06:58.000 Josh Shapiro would have been better at this.

00:07:00.000 But Kamala Harris, she just doesn't have it. 1.00

00:07:02.000 Yeah.

00:07:03.000 And let's just make sure everyone is clear here.

00:07:05.000 The bar is set so unbelievably low that there was all this expectation as if Kamala Harris was sitting down for an interview, like the interview to beget all interviews.

00:07:15.000 I mean, Blake, the lead-up to this was like Frost-Nixon.

00:07:19.000 Blake, as if this was going to be Richard Nixon finally being confronted about, why didn't you destroy the tapes, Mr. Nixon?

00:07:25.000 This was like a very simple, run-of-the-mill interview with hype that would lead you to believe that she was being confronted on the scandal of the century.

00:07:34.000 But some of the questions were fine.

00:07:35.000 The end of the interview was just nauseating.

00:07:37.000 Kamala Harris, what does it make you feel that your niece with cornrows is able to watch you with this picture?

00:07:43.000 Oh, Tim Walz, you know, your son, Tell us about how much you love your son.

00:07:46.000 I mean, my favorite and lesser appreciated part of this interview was Kamala Harris' obviously fraudulent and lying telling of what happened when Joe Biden called her.

00:07:56.000 Oh yeah, I was cooking pancakes and bacon and I had my nieces around. 0.99

00:08:01.000 I got the phone call and yeah, I think that's what happened because it was a Sunday.

00:08:05.000 It was so scripted.

00:08:06.000 It was so rehearsed.

00:08:07.000 Obviously not the truth.

00:08:09.000 Okay, Blake, your thoughts here further as we dive into this.

00:08:15.000 I seized on the same thing.

00:08:16.000 So I don't know if the details about Bacon or Pancakes or whatever are fake, but what was really telling to me was Dana Bash was pushing at that specific, what did you say on the call?

00:08:27.000 Did you ask for his endorsement?

00:08:29.000 Did he promise his endorsement?

00:08:31.000 And she was very evasive on that point.

00:08:34.000 She doesn't mention what he said on the call other than that he was dropping out.

00:08:37.000 Dana pushed that again. 0.99

00:08:38.000 She said, and he says, did you, did you ask for his endorsement?

00:08:41.000 She says, he made it clear he was endorsing, he was backing me.

00:08:46.000 And she pushes at it again.

00:08:49.000 What exactly did he say?

00:08:51.000 And Kamala pivots and says, Oh, really?

00:08:52.000 I was just, I was thinking, I was so worried about, about Joe Biden.

00:08:56.000 That that's where my, my first thought was something was left out there.

00:09:00.000 Maybe we'll never know what it was, but.

00:09:02.000 I like to believe people would detect something was being hidden there.

00:09:07.000 It's the sort of thing you'd see in a movie.

00:09:08.000 They'd be like, slow it down.

00:09:10.000 Play it again.

00:09:11.000 She didn't mention something.

00:09:12.000 What was going on there?

00:09:13.000 The other thing I thought was funny in the later part of the interview is they throw two softballs at her.

00:09:19.000 They throw what you mentioned with her niece or whoever it was in the photo.

00:09:23.000 Which is fine.

00:09:24.000 Yeah, fine, whatever.

00:09:25.000 You get a couple softballs.

00:09:27.000 It's fine.

00:09:27.000 Yes, it's fine.

00:09:30.000 But they also threw that softball that was, you know, hey, Trump said those comments about your race where you were Indian and then black.

00:09:38.000 Total softball to just get some hits on Trump. 1.00

00:09:40.000 And she doesn't take it.

00:09:41.000 She just says, oh, that's Trump being Trump again?

00:09:44.000 Next question.

00:09:45.000 I think what we were seeing there is her campaign, her advisors say, look, we're pivoting hard to the middle.

00:09:52.000 We've seen her pivot on an electric vehicle mandate.

00:09:55.000 She's pivoted on fracking.

00:09:56.000 She's pivoting on the border.

00:09:59.000 Now she says she wants a wall.

00:10:01.000 And I think one of the things they said is, look, they don't want any Identity politics stuff front and center.

00:10:08.000 Basically, don't talk about being a woman, don't talk about your racial stuff, it's gonna put off moderates somehow. 0.99

00:10:15.000 I think like she only maybe even over learned that and they're just like, nope, don't talk about it.

00:10:20.000 And I guess we'll see whether it's a good strategy or not.

00:10:22.000 But it was it was very glaring how much she was staying away from that compared to what we would have seen in 2020, what her own campaign did in 2020, 2016, or a lot of other Democrat elections in recent history.

00:10:35.000 Jack, we have Tyler.

00:10:37.000 Tyler, did you catch any part of the interview here?

00:10:39.000 Pieces.

00:10:40.000 Bits and pieces as I was going along.

00:10:41.000 I was watching the text come through.

00:10:47.000 I think this version of Kamala is boring.

00:10:51.000 They're trying to make her boring. 1.00

00:10:53.000 I'm not sure we want excited Kamala.

00:10:55.000 I'm not sure America's ready for it.

00:10:57.000 They're trying to make her palatable for boomers. 1.00

00:10:59.000 This is pure boomer programming.

00:11:02.000 Can a boomer be okay with her as president? 1.00

00:11:05.000 That's what this is.

00:11:05.000 I mean, and it's true, I mean, you look at the numbers from the polling, you know, she's doing awful with men across the board, but best with older men.

00:11:16.000 Which is mind-numbing to me.

00:11:20.000 Like, it's just mind-numbing to me.

00:11:23.000 Because it was... Of all the male demos, it's boomer men.

00:11:27.000 But it's pretty consistent if you actually break down the polls and they're trying to hide all the other inadequacies and they're really hoping that younger men don't turn out as well, which is not the trend.

00:11:43.000 I mean, I don't know if it's going to be the trend or not, but I mean, this is why we have to turn out as many young men as possible.

00:11:52.000 The reality is this is like it's so mind-numbing to me because if you live through the Tea Party era old men like were the most you know vicious against Obama and that entire regime and everything else and it's just like it's it's like almost like we're living in an alternate universe where it's like they're totally falling for everything and and I just can't understand this Charlie I really don't when I watch this and I read this and I'm we're witnessing this like slow train wreck with this It's like, how is it possible that older people within the Republican Party in particular, but older independents could potentially be totally duped by this?

00:12:32.000 Like, I just don't get it because I'm watching it and it's not... There's... One sec, Jack.

00:12:37.000 I call them white noise boomers. 0.99

00:12:39.000 And basically, they have the television on all day long, and it's white noise.

00:12:44.000 And Democrats dominate on white noise. 0.60

00:12:45.000 It's for their dogs.

00:12:46.000 They run more ads, they control more local TV.

00:12:48.000 Yeah, no, it's just, it's called white noise boomers, right? 0.76

00:12:51.000 And nothing against them, but it's just the companion they have in the House is cable television.

00:12:58.000 And they watch CNN, they watch MSNBC, they watch local TV.

00:13:01.000 Jack, your thoughts?

00:13:03.000 Yeah, so my thought on that is that also the When it comes to polling, right, so when it comes to the type of polls that you get, who are the people

00:13:14.000 Well, the people who are more likely are what Charlie's just talking about, these white noisers, that a white noiser is 10 times more likely to want to pick up that phone to tell the pollster how much they hate Donald Trump. 0.51

00:13:27.000 They say, this guy's the worst. 0.98

00:13:28.000 Oh, he's terrible.

00:13:29.000 These are the people who have the signs, the yard signs, you know, hate has no home in this house, et cetera, et cetera, refugees welcome, all those other things.

00:13:36.000 Whereas when you've got a Trump supporter, they don't want to answer the phones

00:13:41.000 when they hear that somebody from the media.

00:13:42.000 Now, I was talking about this on my show earlier, but when it's me, I love,

00:13:46.000 because I have a Pennsylvania number, so I'm always getting called and pulled all the time,

00:13:51.000 and I constantly just make up all sorts of random things to tell them.

00:13:56.000 I just answer things all over the place because I love screwing with pollster data.

00:14:00.000 And, you know, look, the average Trump supporter is nowhere going to be at the same rate of response that your white noiser that Charlie is talking about is specifically in that age demographic.

00:14:11.000 And that I'm not going to say there's a ton of that, but I am saying that it's something to look out for.

00:14:17.000 I'm looking now, I'm looking at more of the reaction on Twitter, and something that's been pointed out interestingly is Kamala seems really afraid, she's got that problem of, can she split from Joe Biden on anything?

00:14:30.000 Joe Biden's a really unpopular president, it's a really unpopular administration, yet she's really struggled to answer, what would you do differently?

00:14:38.000 And what's being, I'm seeing posted here from Zaid Jilani, who's kind of a dissident left-winger guy on Twitter, and he pointed out In 2000, Al Gore actually had a pretty good answer to this question where they said, will this just be a third Clinton-Gore term?

00:14:54.000 He probably should have said, yes, Clinton was a lot more popular than Biden was.

00:14:57.000 But he said, no, we're different people.

00:15:00.000 We have different challenges.

00:15:01.000 I would do things differently.

00:15:04.000 And he was able to say that, like, clear cut.

00:15:06.000 And Kamala is very afraid to do that. 0.95

00:15:09.000 And I kind of wonder if one of the reasons is she just doesn't actually have a good answer to that question.

00:15:14.000 What would she do differently?

00:15:16.000 It's just like when she answers, what would you do on day one?

00:15:19.000 Kamala's not actually a policy person.

00:15:21.000 She doesn't have strong ideas on what to do. 0.67

00:15:24.000 So she can't organically, off the cuff, talk about things she would do as president. 0.99

00:15:29.000 She is an empty suit.

00:15:31.000 She's... 1.00

00:15:32.000 A nervous wreck, and they're literally just... They've stuck her in there because she's the only option they had, and they're hanging on for dear life.

00:15:40.000 They're just trying to get through the election.

00:15:43.000 It's like that old Robert Redford movie, The Candidate, where the guy runs for Senate, he wins, and the final scene is him turning to, I think, his campaign manager and saying, What do we do now?

00:15:54.000 And I think that's what we'd be with with Kamala.

00:15:56.000 If they somehow God forbid win this election.

00:16:00.000 They turn to each other and say, what do we do now?

00:16:03.000 We're holding the hot potato for four years and we have president empty, empty pantsuit.

00:16:09.000 And that's what... So Blake, I want, I want to go into this.

00:16:13.000 You sent a message today.

00:16:14.000 Something about how Trump should zero in on her nerves, saying that Kamala is nervous, she should be.

00:16:19.000 She's a nervous wreck, trying to almost play into her anxiety.

00:16:23.000 She's obviously on anxiety medication, whether it be benzodiazepines or she's on Xanax or Val- there's something that she's taking because she can't handle the pressure.

00:16:33.000 Framing her as a nervous wreck.

00:16:35.000 That's why she does the nervous laugh.

00:16:37.000 That's probably why she drinks so much, to calm her nerves.

00:16:40.000 Walk us through that, Blake.

00:16:42.000 The need to frame her, or the benefit of framing her as a nervous wreck.

00:16:46.000 Yeah, sure, Charlie.

00:16:47.000 So it's one of those things, once you're looking for it, you start to see it all the time.

00:16:52.000 Her kind of wacky hand movements, her nervous laugh.

00:16:55.000 She has a strange laugh that they actually have had to coach her to use less.

00:17:01.000 Uh, sort of her nervous smile.

00:17:03.000 She has this way of carrying herself that's indicative of a person who's like a little lower in confidence, is nervous.

00:17:12.000 You never see Trump do any of these things because Trump, whatever his other traits, is a supremely self-confident individual.

00:17:19.000 He never does these things.

00:17:23.000 And so you can see she's kind of got that Imposter syndrome is a term we've used before.

00:17:28.000 She's, again, she's a nervous person.

00:17:31.000 This also shows through in the stories about her staff.

00:17:33.000 She's a bad boss. 1.00

00:17:35.000 She sort of bullies people under her, treats them badly. 1.00

00:17:37.000 This again is a sign of a person.

00:17:39.000 They're nervous.

00:17:40.000 They're not secure in their position.

00:17:42.000 When things go wrong, they're kind of like looking at other people to blame for their problems.

00:17:48.000 They scream at them.

00:17:49.000 Good leaders tend to, good self-confident leaders have good staffs beneath them.

00:17:54.000 It just, it flows out of how they are as a person.

00:17:56.000 So anyway, once you've known this, it explains so many of the things Kamala has to do.

00:18:01.000 She can't do interviews because she'll freeze up in the interviews. 1.00

00:18:05.000 This is why she's so awkward in unscripted situations.

00:18:08.000 If she's put on the spot, she's worried about screwing up, and she kind of starts screwing up.

00:18:15.000 I think we could see that with, you know, the day one answer.

00:18:17.000 She doesn't have a good answer to this question.

00:18:20.000 She's trying to just word salad her way out of it. 1.00

00:18:22.000 So anyway, I just think As we were discussing, pointing this out is probably a good

00:18:29.000 way to actually make it worse.

00:18:31.000 It's like once you send the message, we're aware of what your weakness is, Kamala.

00:18:35.000 Your problem is you're nervous.

00:18:37.000 Your problem is when you start talking, you screw it up.

00:18:39.000 And it's good in two ways.

00:18:41.000 One, the only way you can really rebut this is by giving more interviews and showing yourself more to prove that it's wrong.

00:18:47.000 And I think we have had more than enough evidence at this point that if she's doing that, it'll go not great for her.

00:18:54.000 At best, it'll be break-even.

00:18:56.000 Very likely she'll look bad.

00:18:58.000 And there's a big chance she'll say something super embarrassing and damage her campaign.

00:19:02.000 Or she just avoids doing that and she continues to avoid doing interviews, avoid doing unscripted things, won't do a...

00:19:11.000 Press conference.

00:19:12.000 And now we have a ready-made reason.

00:19:15.000 Oh, it's nervous Kamala again.

00:19:16.000 Hiding away.

00:19:17.000 Can't stand up for herself.

00:19:19.000 Can't explain what she really thinks.

00:19:21.000 And I think this could be the skeleton key to attack Kamala in a slightly more personal way without going after, like, her personal life in a way that I think we agree is probably not the best way to damage Kamala.

00:19:34.000 It'll just kind of be thrown back at us.

00:19:37.000 So you want a way to needle her without making it overtly personal in a way that puts off voters.

00:19:43.000 Jack, let's play some tape here.

00:19:44.000 Let's kind of refresh the audience of what happened tonight.

00:19:48.000 Let's play Cut 147 to kind of jog our memory.

00:19:50.000 Play Cut 147.

00:19:51.000 If you are elected, what would you do on day one in the White House?

00:19:56.000 Well, there are a number of things.

00:19:58.000 I will tell you first and foremost, one of my highest priorities is to do what we can to support and strengthen the middle class.

00:20:08.000 When I look at the aspirations, the goals, the ambitions of the American people, I think that people are ready for a new way forward.

00:20:21.000 In a way that generations of Americans have been fueled by hope and by optimism.

00:20:27.000 I think sadly in the last decade we have had in the former president someone who has

00:20:35.000 really been pushing an agenda and an environment that is about diminishing the character and the

00:20:45.000 strength of who we are as Americans, really dividing our nation and I think people are

00:20:51.000 ready to turn the page on that. What did she just say?

00:20:54.000 Obviously, I'm a Trump guy.

00:20:56.000 Can somebody tell me what the heck she just said? 0.69

00:20:59.000 The question is, what are you going to do on day one?

00:21:00.000 And she's talking about turning the page.

00:21:02.000 You're the vice president of the United States.

00:21:03.000 Don't tell me about turning the page and she's scratching her chin.

00:21:07.000 Does she have staff? 0.91

00:21:08.000 Have you prepared, Kamala?

00:21:09.000 Have you done any work?

00:21:11.000 I mean, how do we go from what are you going to do on day one to people are going to turn the page?

00:21:15.000 You have one job.

00:21:17.000 Tell us what you're going to do on day one.

00:21:18.000 Rebuild the middle class? 0.97

00:21:19.000 That doesn't mean anything, okay?

00:21:21.000 You're currently the vice president.

00:21:23.000 And by the way, I don't know, she's not getting enough sleep.

00:21:25.000 She looks rough.

00:21:26.000 Jack, what's going on here?

00:21:27.000 Well, what's going on here, Charlie, is that she needs a MyPillow.

00:21:31.000 I know Michael Lindell was there at the DNC last week.

00:21:34.000 You know, he was in disguise.

00:21:35.000 He disguised himself like he had the Roger Stone hat and shaved his mustache.

00:21:39.000 You know, he was offering my pillows to, uh, to Democrats there and I think she really should have taken him up on that.

00:21:44.000 No, this is the kind of question.

00:21:46.000 And by the way, Charlie, the kind of question, what would you do on day one?

00:21:49.000 This isn't just a layup, right?

00:21:51.000 First of all, this is the obvious question that's always going to get asked in one of these issues.

00:21:54.000 but this question is actually beneficial to the candidate because when you are, this is like,

00:22:01.000 this is like political consulting 101, folks.

00:22:04.000 When you are working with a candidate, what you're doing, your candidate's going into an interview

00:22:09.000 and I've worked on a lot of campaigns.

00:22:10.000 The first thing you do is you say, whatever questions they have,

00:22:13.000 whatever the scandals they bring up, whatever stuff they have in the news,

00:22:15.000 bring it back to your message, bring it back to what you're gonna do,

00:22:18.000 bring it back to what your policies are.

00:22:20.000 So you have to have something to say when they ask you what your policies are.

00:22:26.000 Donald Trump, day one, he'll have 15 things off the top of his head and he'll probably come up with like three more just in the middle of the questions.

00:22:33.000 I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do so many things on day one.

00:22:35.000 Your head's going to spin.

00:22:36.000 She's sitting there going, oh, and as you say, she's looking around, her body language.

00:22:41.000 So what you're talking about.

00:22:42.000 She's even worse than that. 0.98

00:22:43.000 She somehow, she somehow turned a question on day one into Donald Trump.

00:22:49.000 She somehow turned it, Jack.

00:22:51.000 It's unbelievable.

00:22:52.000 Yeah.

00:22:52.000 So, Charlie, by the way, what you're referring to is a cluster gesture.

00:22:56.000 So, when I was at Guantanamo and I was in the interrogation cell, one of the things that we learned about down there and that we would look at for detainees was a cluster gesture.

00:23:05.000 So, you mentioned that she put her hand to her face.

00:23:08.000 Look, people do that on occasion.

00:23:10.000 You might have a scratch, okay?

00:23:12.000 You might have a scratch, you do that.

00:23:13.000 But when you start seeing multiple elements of gestures that are put into place all at once that occur

00:23:20.000 very rapidly. We're talking micro expression, the hand to the face, the looking down, the

00:23:24.000 looking away, the hunting of the shoulder, she actually shrinks, like she's shrinking, she's

00:23:28.000 terrified. So so anxiety, the fear, the things that Blake was talking about, it's all

00:23:32.000 there, it's all exhibited in this cluster gesture. And so and of course, by the way,

00:23:38.000 unfortunately, or you know, whatever it is, the the medium of television means that the camera is going

00:23:44.000 to be zoomed in on your face.

00:23:46.000 And so you let Charlie you and I know about this every single day. That's our line of business.

00:23:50.000 And you know, you know that whatever expression you make, it's going to be picked apart by a

00:23:54.000 million people that are watching it. So you're constantly thinking about it. Now you and I

00:23:58.000 aren't running for office. I don't believe either of us have ever run for office. And so you'd think

00:24:02.000 that anyone running in the modern era would would know about these things. I mean, how many

00:24:05.000 interviews has she done in her life. And this feels like it felt like she was in her very first

00:24:10.000 interview and Dana Bash was trying very hard, excuse me, Donna Bush was trying very hard to

00:24:15.000 to hold her hand on this and she still was anxious.

00:24:19.000 By the way Blake one of the stories have and I think we told it on here on ThoughtCrime maybe a week or two ago but about the time where she was going to go to some it's like an ambassador's dinner or something some kind of social function and she was so anxious about going to this function that she had her entire staff go and create like a like a Dummy function that she could go to where they were role-playing different people at the, it was just like a cocktail reception at somebody's house.

00:24:50.000 And, and she like had little, and her staff created little scripts and she had to like navigate the room. 0.99

00:24:55.000 And this is how you act like a regular human person, Kamala, a human person.

00:25:01.000 And, and it's, I mean, this is someone with, with those kinds of nerves.

00:25:05.000 And this is obviously something that president Trump can dig into.

00:25:08.000 It's how do you have someone who's that nervous, Who's that insecure?

00:25:13.000 Who that lacks that much confidence being the leader of the most powerful nation in the world? 0.97

00:25:18.000 It's ridiculous. 0.99

00:25:20.000 It's insane. 0.99

00:25:20.000 And you're honestly treating the American people as infantile for even suggesting it. 0.99

00:25:26.000 Blake, tell us that story of how she had to kind of pre-rehearse a meeting.

00:25:31.000 Give me a second.

00:25:31.000 I'll look it up.

00:25:32.000 You can check on the score.

00:25:34.000 Is NDSU still beating Colorado?

00:25:35.000 We've got to stand up for the team.

00:25:40.000 There is no defense being played here, by the way.

00:25:42.000 They might as well just play 7-on-7 at this point.

00:25:46.000 And I am actively cheering against Deion Sanders, for the record.

00:25:50.000 Here's something I want to say as well because this is similar to what we saw last week on with the with the nomination because there's gonna be people who say and I saw this Charlie I saw this in our comments they said oh you and Charlie are coping you know you guys are you know it wasn't that bad I said guys this was mid Okay, you have to understand you're running for the presidency of the United States.

00:26:09.000 Mid is not good enough.

00:26:11.000 If that's your best, then your best ain't good enough.

00:26:14.000 It's like you're just talking about in sports.

00:26:17.000 If you want to go to the professional level, if you want to play elite level sports, then you need to be at the elite level.

00:26:24.000 This was not that.

00:26:25.000 You say, oh, well, she kind of, she got through it.

00:26:27.000 she didn't have a train wreck.

00:26:28.000 No, but didn't have a train wreck.

00:26:29.000 She like barely made it on base if she made it on base anywhere in that interview. 1.00

00:26:34.000 I know I'm not making any lewd references.

00:26:37.000 But what I'm saying is, is that that was not the level of anything you needed

00:26:41.000 for running for the president of the United States.

00:26:43.000 The same as her nomination, it was boring.

00:26:45.000 There were, by the way, no breakout lines, no breakout moments.

00:26:49.000 You didn't sound like they had anything, you know how like politicians

00:26:51.000 will have those sort of preplanned like, and on day one we're gonna do this.

00:26:55.000 And we have the politics of disaster.

00:26:58.000 We need the politics of success.

00:26:59.000 Whatever.

00:27:00.000 There was none of that.

00:27:01.000 There was just none of that throughout the entire time she was in response mode.

00:27:05.000 It didn't seem planned, it felt rushed, it was not presidential.

00:27:07.000 All right.

00:27:08.000 I got it, Charlie.

00:27:09.000 I got it.

00:27:09.000 So this is from Axios.

00:27:10.000 No, I'm not saying it was like a personal disaster, which by the way, the rally had a lot of personal disasters.

00:27:15.000 If you want to talk about those earlier in the evening, and I'm sure we'll get to those clips,

00:27:20.000 but yeah, mid is not good enough.

00:27:22.000 No way.

00:27:22.000 All right, I got it, Charlie.

00:27:23.000 I got it.

00:27:24.000 So this is from Axios.

00:27:25.000 They reported it just after she joined the race.

00:27:29.000 In April, 2022, Harris was the guest for a dinner at DC News mogul, David Bradley's home.

00:27:36.000 A salon style event, Bradley hosts with Washington journalists and newsmakers.

00:27:41.000 So at this point, Kamala is already the Vice President of the United States, and this is not a high-stakes summit.

00:27:47.000 This is not nuclear tensions with Iran or Russia or whatever.

00:27:51.000 This is meeting journalists at a guy's house in DC.

00:27:56.000 And it says here from Axios, quote, Harris' anxiety about the dinner was such that her staff held a mock dinner beforehand with staffers playing participants, according to two people familiar with the event.

00:28:11.000 Harris' aides even considered including wine in the mock prep so Harris could practice with a glass or two.

00:28:19.000 They ultimately decided against it.

00:28:25.000 She was already three drinks deep when she got to the practice.

00:28:28.000 If she wins, it will be like our first sitcom character elected as president. 1.00

00:28:32.000 It'll be really not good.

00:28:35.000 There was so much talk last time about having Joe Biden do a drug test.

00:28:38.000 Can we have Kamala Harris do a drug test? 1.00

00:28:40.000 We should know what anti-anxiety medication Kamala Harris has done. 1.00

00:28:43.000 And what kind of Chardonnay and what kind of wine is she mixing it with? 1.00

00:28:48.000 It's a national security risk.

00:28:50.000 Nervous Kamala.

00:28:51.000 Antsy Kamala.

00:28:52.000 Maybe that's the nickname Trump's going to have to use.

00:28:55.000 My biggest takeaway from that is you can't practice with two glasses if you've already had three.

00:28:59.000 So that's... I feel like that's the understated thing.

00:29:02.000 They left out that part.

00:29:02.000 They're like, look, she gets sloshed enough if we have two practice glasses.

00:29:06.000 And then this is right before the dinner.

00:29:08.000 So she just goes from there to the dinner. 0.79

00:29:09.000 Oh, boy.

00:29:12.000 I think that the big thing and I don't know if we want to discuss this at length but I mean just visually watching this her being in like the back of the table just slouched back and is leaning back like this.

00:29:25.000 I thought it was terrible.

00:29:27.000 It was like this is what she looked like the whole time.

00:29:30.000 And then you had, you know, Timmy over there, just like this, like on the side of the, I mean, if you look at the, that, that frame, it's like the weirdest scenario.

00:29:41.000 Like, I don't just, I can't believe they picked that to like frame that.

00:29:47.000 The Democrats are just so terrible at framing between Biden looking like Adolf Hitler in that one, you know... You would think that they're good at it.

00:29:58.000 Let's play cut 148.

00:30:02.000 The visuals of this were awful.

00:30:04.000 It was as if they were in a cafeteria or some sort of dimly lit back room.

00:30:08.000 It was very bizarre.

00:30:09.000 Play cut 148.

00:30:10.000 You have been vice president for three and a half years.

00:30:13.000 The steps that you're talking about now, Why haven't you done them already?

00:30:18.000 Well, first of all, we had to recover as an economy, and we have done that.

00:30:22.000 I'm very proud of the work that we have done that has brought inflation down to less than 3%.

00:30:26.000 The work that we have done to cap the cost of insulin at $35 a month for seniors.

00:30:31.000 Donald Trump said he was going to do a number of things, including allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.

00:30:36.000 Never happened.

00:30:37.000 We did it.

00:30:38.000 Tim Waltz looks like, he looks massive.

00:30:42.000 He looks like, what's his name from McDonald's?

00:30:47.000 The big purple guy?

00:30:49.000 Grimace.

00:30:50.000 He's like Grimace size in the corner and you've got her like Hamburglar back there just like literally at the back of the frame in the dark just kind of just like sliding with her big shoulder pads too. 1.00

00:31:03.000 Who thought that visual was a good idea?

00:31:06.000 She looks like she's drowning in her jacket, too.

00:31:08.000 And she's like, you mentioned it, Charlie.

00:31:10.000 She hasn't drank in probably two days in prep for this.

00:31:14.000 So you can see her face is just like, she's starting to shake a little bit because she needs vodka. 1.00

00:31:21.000 And, you know, it's just like, this whole thing, this is, and Grimace up here, look at Grimace!

00:31:26.000 I mean, he's huge, and he's like doing nothing the whole time.

00:31:29.000 And she just keeps getting interacted with.

00:31:31.000 And I missed the waltz parts, but like, She just slouches way back and looks almost like a weird hamburger mobster in the back. 1.00

00:31:43.000 That's all I could think about the whole time.

00:31:45.000 I don't know.

00:31:46.000 I'm going to sit like this for the rest of the time.

00:31:49.000 You've got a deep knowledge of McDonald's lore.

00:31:52.000 Well, Grimace became famous again last year because they did that whole shake thing.

00:31:58.000 So it's just like on the psyche.

00:32:00.000 And Jack posted about how... I had a tweet earlier this week that went pretty viral, actually, because I was just doing a riff on things that Trump is going to bring back from the 80s and 90s.

00:32:12.000 And I found one that not a lot of people talk about, which we've got to try, if the guy's going to try to get the photo up, the original McDonald's playground.

00:32:22.000 And I'm like, Charlie's like, what are you talking about?

00:32:27.000 And he's like, when I was a child, I didn't play.

00:32:29.000 I did arithmetic and studied dead languages.

00:32:32.000 Charlie's from the backyard of where McDonald's was like started.

00:32:37.000 It's true.

00:32:38.000 And that's where he went though.

00:32:41.000 But but so the old the old playground had like the it was the Hamburglar prison that you would climb into and it had like the metal slide and just so much really cool stuff and I think I unlocked a lot of a lot of core memories but it also goes back to what I was talking about with the Pizza Hut nationalism thing this idea that you know we used to have a world that was we have a country that was just very welcoming towards children that That was very open towards children.

00:33:09.000 And, you know, this is kind of one of the things that gets into, you know, all these questions about like, like fertility and abortion and IVF.

00:33:17.000 And these are all like these big, you know, third rail topics that are coming up today and over the past couple of days.

00:33:22.000 But I think a huge part of it is that we just used to have a country that was much more Let's play another piece of tape here.

00:33:29.000 Let's see what CNN is saying afterwards.

00:33:31.000 Let's go to 155 here.

00:33:31.000 being around at a regular time.

00:33:33.000 It was much more family-oriented country.

00:33:35.000 And now all of that's been pushed aside, and it's leading to all these other issues.

00:33:39.000 Let's play another piece of tape here.

00:33:41.000 Let's see what CNN is saying afterwards.

00:33:45.000 Let's go to 155 here.

00:33:48.000 Now, you might not like the way she answered him, but she answered him as a capable, qualified leader.

00:33:52.000 And I do think she...

00:33:54.000 I think she moved the ball forward a little bit.

00:33:56.000 You know, maybe she didn't score a touchdown. 0.99

00:33:58.000 Yeah, that's really insightful.

00:34:00.000 Let's play Cut 154 now.

00:34:03.000 Let's not be mistaken.

00:34:04.000 I mean, Donald Trump is tall and very loud.

00:34:08.000 Yes.

00:34:08.000 And he is very persistent.

00:34:10.000 It's not going to be so easy to just say, OK, let's move on.

00:34:12.000 He's going to be right there.

00:34:13.000 Yes, but I think you have to play.

00:34:16.000 So they're trying to figure out exactly how to prepare Kamala Harris for the debate. 1.00

00:34:24.000 Tyler, based on what we saw here, I don't think this debate's going to go very well for her.

00:34:28.000 She's not going to have an emotional support animal.

00:34:30.000 She's not going to have notes.

00:34:31.000 I mean, it was kind of, in some ways, in right-wing circles, we said, oh, she's not good at talking. 0.99

00:34:36.000 She's actually really bad at this.

00:34:38.000 She's a nervous wreck.

00:34:40.000 She's not equipped to be vice president, let alone president of the United States. 1.00

00:34:43.000 Tyler, tell us more.

00:34:45.000 Yeah, I mean, this is all I could think about the entire time they were looking at this was, what did we not see?

00:34:52.000 Because this is edited, and I know we've covered that a couple times here, but this is edited.

00:34:57.000 What was not here is the most interesting indicator of what this debate's gonna look like,

00:35:04.000 especially this first one.

00:35:06.000 And I mean, I'm excited.

00:35:08.000 I mean, I've always been excited for this because we know, the same way that we knew

00:35:12.000 that Joe Biden could not form sentences, we know that Kamala's not gonna be able

00:35:17.000 to maintain her composure.

00:35:18.000 She's not gonna be able to handle herself.

00:35:21.000 Like I said, I really do believe it.

00:35:23.000 I'm not joking when I say this, is that they probably Adderalled her up,

00:35:28.000 said you can't drink for a few days, or I don't know, remember Obama smoked

00:35:32.000 and all that stuff and it chilled his nerves.

00:35:35.000 And they just handle, you handle yourself differently when you head into these situations.

00:35:40.000 This is not a good lead-up, run-up practice, if you will, for what the debate's going to look like if you're her team.

00:35:49.000 And I can only imagine the inside, you know, NBA'd up stuff that's going on over in Kamala camp.

00:35:57.000 And I hope someday it ends up in a book that we all get to read.

00:36:01.000 But, you know, after a loss, a Kamala loss.

00:36:05.000 This is going to be a very, very interesting scenario that pops out here.

00:36:11.000 And if anybody had any kind of journalistic integrity over over in that camp, Donna and anyone else, you know, there would be some demands here that all this would get played and that the transcript would be released and that we would see the place, the uncut version of this, at least online.

00:36:31.000 But we know they'll never do that.

00:36:32.000 Speaking of the debates, I think we've actually had some interesting stuff this week that I think is, it's alluding to how the debate might go.

00:36:40.000 We had this sudden push from the Kamala camp to change the debate rules.

00:36:45.000 So for everyone who's forgotten, the rules back in June at basically the request of the Biden campaign were mics are muted when you're not talking, And you can't bring notes into it, you can make notes during it, and there will be no studio audience.

00:37:03.000 Trump basically agreed to it because he said, I'll debate wherever, whatever you want.

00:37:07.000 And then the Kamala camp is saying, can we change this?

00:37:10.000 Can we actually turn the mics back on?

00:37:12.000 And then the other request they made, which I think didn't get as much attention as it should have, was she asked, can we, one, make opening statements, and two, can we bring prepared notes as well as making notes during the debate itself?

00:37:25.000 And what that's communicating to me is that they, as we saw here, they're not confident when Kamala has to think off the cuff, has to respond to something that she's unprepared for.

00:37:36.000 So what they wanted is they wanted the mics on.

00:37:38.000 Smart.

00:37:39.000 They wanted the mics on because they thought that they could kind of, you know, maybe Trump would try to interrupt her or she could try to interrupt Trump, but I think they just count on Trump doing it.

00:37:50.000 And then, you know, you can make it all personal and bitter and they'll go back and forth on this.

00:37:55.000 And the other thing is they want to make it as prepared and scripted as possible.

00:38:00.000 If she can bring in notes and they can make an opening statement, she can give some three or four minute opening statement.

00:38:06.000 Some people will turn off the debate after the opening statements already, and she can have all these, like, little prepared lines.

00:38:12.000 So, okay, if they ask you about abortion, say this.

00:38:15.000 If they ask you about the border, say this.

00:38:17.000 You know, if she comes in with 15, 20 canned lines, she can get out as many of those as she can.

00:38:22.000 Her only good debate moment in the primaries in 2019 was an obviously scripted, oh, that little girl was me, Joe Biden's a racist. 1.00

00:38:30.000 That was the only good moment she had.

00:38:31.000 It was obviously scripted, not made up off the cuff.

00:38:35.000 We are seeing over and over, Kamala is telling us this, her body language is telling us this, her campaign strategic decisions are telling us this, how she engages with the media, it's all screaming at us.

00:38:48.000 Kamala is not prepared for this, is not ready for this, and they need to cover this up and conceal it by scripting everything as much as possible.

00:39:00.000 You know, and I was really surprised, and this was, you know, in the lead up to the debate as well. 1.00

00:39:07.000 I was actually shocked they didn't spend more time on really stupid, stupid stuff. 0.99

00:39:13.000 I thought there was actually some decent questions mixed in there that aired. 1.00

00:39:17.000 You know, who knows what didn't air.

00:39:20.000 But, you know, there is the pieces that were aired were, you know, well, you know, you are the incumbent and, you know, what are you doing?

00:39:28.000 You know, I was kind of shocked that that actually got asked, because I didn't think any of that was going to get asked.

00:39:32.000 So that's a white pill moment for a second, because I think that added to the tenseness of everything.

00:39:40.000 But I was really surprised there wasn't more, you know...

00:39:45.000 Green New Deal type stuff like adjacent stuff and just talking more about abortion and you know the question got brought up about you know Kamala being black yeah and if they're not being black or whatever because you know there's that debate that's going on in society.

00:40:02.000 I think most in the black community honestly more than anything else I think that's right.

00:40:06.000 She didn't answer.

00:40:06.000 We discussed it.

00:40:07.000 She didn't take the bait.

00:40:09.000 She didn't answer, which I don't know if maybe that added to the part of the problem.

00:40:15.000 They expected to spend, I don't know, 20 minutes on that or something, and they did not.

00:40:18.000 So I need an entire segment on it.

00:40:20.000 But, you know, I think that it really tees up.

00:40:23.000 I think this interview actually tees up the debate properly because, you know, of course they're 1.00

00:40:30.000 going to ask some of these stupid things. 0.96

00:40:32.000 But I think what this tells us is that they know even, you know, the MSNBC, CNN types 1.00

00:40:38.000 know that America doesn't care about that stuff.

00:40:41.000 So they're trying to make her look is, you know, rational, reasonable, you know, try

00:40:45.000 to talk about the things.

00:40:47.000 Obviously she came out with like the build the wall policy this week and everything else. 0.85

00:40:50.000 They're just like she's just trying to copy Trump.

00:40:53.000 And that's a sign of desperation.

00:40:54.000 Kelly tweeted today, you know, talk about putting Republicans in her cabinet. 0.99

00:40:57.000 That's a sign of desperation.

00:40:59.000 They're running with this whole Republicans for Harris thing.

00:41:02.000 That's desperation.

00:41:03.000 They see the data, and let's just red pill everybody.

00:41:05.000 I'm not saying we're going to win, but Blake will even agree that the data is much better than it was two weeks ago.

00:41:11.000 Nate Silver agrees.

00:41:12.000 Like, the data is nowhere near where it was in the honeymoon sugar high two weeks ago.

00:41:16.000 It's changing, it's normalizing, and who wants to interject there?

00:41:20.000 Well, I was just going to say, Charlie, it's the data isn't just better.

00:41:24.000 They're having to shift.

00:41:25.000 I think it's even better than the better that we're seeing because they're having to play catch up with the shifting polls, too, on things like some of the polling that we're seeing is really oversampling Democrats still, you know, and as we get closer to the election, I think we kind of anticipated that based off of previous elections.

00:41:45.000 I was expecting less of that to happen the closer we get to the election.

00:41:47.000 only a big yeah and the other guys this but like look at yours with with written yet with with various

00:41:55.000 i mean i would i would i was expecting less of that to happen the closer it's the election i mean

00:42:00.000 we're effectively a month out from early ballots

00:42:04.000 right so the election in north carolina yes it's a week senator cannon

00:42:08.000 and i think uh... ballots without yesterday in in new york But this is a real ending of the thing, and I would argue even some of the polls I saw today were worse than some of the ones that we saw before.

00:42:25.000 One that came out today, we were looking at it and identifying it, it had only 1% of the Democrats that polled voting for Trump.

00:42:36.000 In no real world, in no swing state, is that happening.

00:42:39.000 And it's certainly not indicative of nationwide polling of everything that we're seeing everywhere else.

00:42:46.000 That's really bad because even the worst polls and some of these non-ideal polls, they're shifting.

00:42:54.000 And I think that some of that is because they're just trying to keep up this charade.

00:43:00.000 And I think that some of the pollsters are in on it, whether they intend to be or not.

00:43:06.000 Let's play, let's play Cut 106. 0.80

00:43:08.000 This is Mark Halperin, who this two days ago predicted, and today we saw that some of the data, Nate Silver now has Donald Trump with a 52% chance of winning.

00:43:17.000 Again, all this is subject to change.

00:43:18.000 It goes up, it goes down.

00:43:19.000 It's what we call the Polar Coaster, but interesting nonetheless.

00:43:23.000 It's been a big movement.

00:43:24.000 Let's play Cut 106.

00:43:26.000 There's some public polling already.

00:43:27.000 There's more coming.

00:43:28.000 And there's some private polling that suggests that nationally in the battleground states, she's not ahead.

00:43:36.000 She might be ahead on paper, but well within the margin of error.

00:43:40.000 And there's some battleground states now where I think Donald Trump's, on this trajectory, is going to be ahead.

00:43:46.000 And it may be, regardless of what happens in the interview and regardless what happens in the debate, it may be that by the middle of September, when things have calmed down, when the Trump campaign have had time to prey on some of the weaknesses that I suggested, that he's ahead in all the Sun Belt states and ahead in Pennsylvania.

00:44:07.000 and competitive in Michigan and Wisconsin, which would be roughly where Joe Biden was

00:44:12.000 before the debate with a single path to 270 electoral votes, the three Great Lakes states

00:44:19.000 in Nebraska too. And that would be a scary position for the Democratic Party to be in 0.73

00:44:24.000 from mid-September through Election Day. Who wants to take that? Yeah, I mean, look,

00:44:29.000 what he's doing there is explaining that something that you've been hearing a few

00:44:33.000 people in the media speak of already what they're referring to as the blue mirage.

00:44:38.000 And the blue mirage, now, of course, is a reference to what we were told all the way back in 2000, the red mirage of when they said, oh, Donald Trump's going to be up big prior to mail-in ballots coming in.

00:44:49.000 And then when mail-in ballots come in, it's going to tighten.

00:44:51.000 Now, we weren't told that it was going to Absolutely fly up to another level but of course that's another story but the Blue Mirage now what they're saying is is kind of what we were talking about before about this response bias in polls talking about the fact that there's people who are giving this huge bounce there's a lot of people who have a sugar high after

00:45:09.000 Not so much the DNC itself, but actually just the dropping out of Joe Biden.

00:45:15.000 And what he's saying there is, of course, the Blue Mirage might just be all of this gaslighting.

00:45:20.000 He's being very careful about the way he says it, by the way.

00:45:22.000 He's saying, look, there's a lot of information out there to say the race is probably a lot closer than it looks.

00:45:28.000 And there are some indications that a few of these key swing states,

00:45:31.000 one of which being my home state of Pennsylvania, might actually be closer to the Trump camp. And of course,

00:45:37.000 one of the main things you have to look at in terms of this is the fundamentals.

00:45:40.000 The fundamentals have not changed between Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

00:45:45.000 What's changed is that they have this sort of, they're offering this potential of it's very, very Barack

00:45:50.000 Obama.

00:45:51.000 So there's a potential for change, but it's this really weird situation where she's trying to

00:45:56.000 claim credit for the things that she believes are good that were under the Biden

00:46:00.000 Harris administration, but at the same time,

00:46:02.000 also trying to position herself as a change candidate.

00:46:06.000 So she's trying to be the incumbent and the challenger at the same time. 1.00

00:46:11.000 And that dog don't hunt. 1.00

00:46:12.000 That is not going to work eventually, and Donald Trump is gonna slaughter her on those questions 0.85

00:46:17.000 and all of these.

00:46:18.000 He's gonna heighten the contradictions in 12 days time of that debate,

00:46:21.000 and she knows he's gonna do it, and that's another reason she's terrified.

00:46:24.000 Notice, in her little, by the way, why is your chair so low?

00:46:27.000 But in her little chair there, every time they mention Trump, she kind of recoils.

00:46:32.000 Do you notice that?

00:46:33.000 They mention Trump, but she sort of, she recoils, she gets the hunched shoulders,

00:46:36.000 she turtles, you know, again, these cluster gestures that we see over and over.

00:46:40.000 She has no poker face, and you know, what can I say?

00:46:44.000 You know, using a lot of inebriating substances It's according to studies.

00:46:50.000 So let me ask a question, which is, Blake, you are a resident Tim Walz critic.

00:46:56.000 Do you think that Tim Walz successfully navigated the attacks with a question about stolen valor, drunk driving, lying about fertility treatments, lying about basically everything?

00:47:07.000 Is that now water under the bridge?

00:47:09.000 Should Dana Bash follow it up more? 1.00

00:47:12.000 I think she should have pushed harder, because the answer was total BS.

00:47:16.000 First of all, on the National Guard thing, she only actually pushed on the carried weapons in war thing, and I think that's carried a lot of it, because people have talked about stolen valor.

00:47:28.000 It's the easiest thing to just say, oh, he may be told a straight-up lie, but by far the worst thing about Tim Walz's military stuff is not that, it's that He was in his unit, they were told they were deploying to Iraq, and according to the statements of everyone who was around at the time who's gone on the record, Walls lied to his fellow soldiers, he cut and ran, he bailed out in a situation where the moral expectation was he should have served with his unit, and instead he lied to the person above him, according to that guy, went behind him, she should have pushed harder on that.

00:48:03.000 And then also just the way he pivoted about it was very Awkward. He just says I'm you know, I'm so I'm so

00:48:10.000 passionate about things and I get you know I get worked up when people attack my kids

00:48:15.000 Well, people were not attacking your kids. They're attacking you. He did a similar dodge with a DUI thing

00:48:21.000 He says I owned my mistakes. She should have followed up immediately and said you don't own your mistakes

00:48:27.000 You had a DUI, and more than a decade later, you were lying about it and saying, you didn't have a DUI.

00:48:34.000 You actually just had a miscommunication with an officer because you're deaf.

00:48:38.000 Well, well, Tim Walz, that's not what you said in the court hearing, which we have the transcript of.

00:48:44.000 It's not what your breathalyzer test said.

00:48:46.000 There's all this evidence that you lied about this thing.

00:48:50.000 You would not take responsibility for it.

00:48:54.000 The other thing I wish he would have pushed at is, I wish someone would push at his actual tenure as governor of Minnesota. 0.96

00:49:01.000 We're supposed to take it as a given that he's at least been a good governor, but no, he's a crappy governor.

00:49:06.000 He was the governor during the George Floyd riots.

00:49:08.000 He didn't call out the National Guard when the mayor of Minnesota, or of Minneapolis, asked him to do it.

00:49:16.000 He let a police precinct get burned to the ground by Antifa.

00:49:21.000 He is the only governor in America who can really definitively say he let an entire city in his state be taken over by an armed violent mob.

00:49:32.000 He should be pushed at that.

00:49:34.000 I think Walz remains extremely vulnerable on his personal history, on his political history, and on all of the statements that he's made to the public.

00:49:44.000 And I don't know if that will be a big force in the overall election, but I certainly know the military stuff, the National Guard stuff, that has gotten a lot of play with the people that that is most interesting to, which is veterans groups, current soldiers.

00:49:58.000 They do hear about these things through their own networks.

00:50:01.000 I have to believe that for a few of them, this will play a role in how they vote.

00:50:04.000 Well, and I want to point out something, just to remind everyone.

00:50:08.000 Remember back in 2000, when five days before the election, the Democrats dropped that bomb on the George W. Bush DUI?

00:50:19.000 Do you remember this?

00:50:20.000 Bush had a DUI and it was a big deal.

00:50:23.000 It took over the entire news cycle.

00:50:24.000 Yeah, that's what Bush had different.

00:50:26.000 Bush had a DUI and it was like a big deal.

00:50:29.000 It like took over the entire news cycle.

00:50:31.000 This was like days before the election in 2000.

00:50:34.000 And this was the October surprise.

00:50:38.000 It was like days before the election because that's back when we used to vote on one day.

00:50:38.000 This was the big surprise.

00:50:42.000 And so it was like literally just a few days before.

00:50:45.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:50:47.000 That's like impossible.

00:50:48.000 Yeah, you can't do it.

00:50:50.000 You can't do it.

00:50:51.000 Uh, but, uh, that the crazy part was, is what, what, what did Bush do?

00:50:55.000 So it actually happened in Wisconsin.

00:50:57.000 He was, he was campaigning in Wisconsin and they come up to him and they drop it.

00:51:03.000 And the reporter asks him and goes, Hey, you know, what do you have to say about this DUI? 0.96

00:51:07.000 And he's like, yeah, I made some dumb mistakes.

00:51:10.000 And he, like, owned up to it immediately. 0.74

00:51:12.000 Without, like, being prepared, knowing it was coming, anything at all.

00:51:16.000 And again, like, you know, that's such a different position from, like, this is, like, versus Tim Waltz, who literally lies about everything.

00:51:25.000 He lies about everything.

00:51:27.000 Every major mess-up that he's made in his life, he runs from, hides, paints it as a different picture.

00:51:35.000 You know, he's not an honest, regular dude in any kind of capacity.

00:51:40.000 I just thought it was interesting just comparing the two.

00:51:43.000 Let's play the Tim Walz convo here.

00:51:45.000 It's cut 151.

00:51:47.000 You had to clarify that you had said that you and your wife used IVF, but it turned out you used a different kind of fertility in order to have children.

00:52:00.000 And then when you ran for Congress in 2006, your campaign repeatedly made false statements about a 1995 arrest for drunk and reckless driving.

00:52:10.000 What do you say to voters who aren't sure whether they can take you at your word?

00:52:15.000 Well, I've been very public.

00:52:16.000 I think they can see my students come out, former folks I've served with, and they do, they vouch for me.

00:52:22.000 I certainly own my mistakes when I make them.

00:52:25.000 The one thing I'll tell you is, I wished in this country we wouldn't have to do this.

00:52:30.000 What do your students have to do with IVF?

00:52:31.000 What, are you having kids with your students? 1.00

00:52:34.000 What kind of stupid, demented freak is this guy? 1.00

00:52:38.000 You're talking about IVF? 1.00

00:52:39.000 Oh, you can talk to my students?

00:52:40.000 Why the heck am I going to talk to your students about IVF?

00:52:44.000 Your students prove your fertility?

00:52:46.000 Your students are going to know whether or not you're fertile? 0.80

00:52:51.000 Your students are going to know about whether or not your sperm works? 1.00

00:52:54.000 What kind of demented person is this? 0.99

00:52:59.000 Hey, you lied about that IVF. 0.99

00:53:00.000 You know, you should go ask the kids I coached.

00:53:03.000 You should go ask the kids.

00:53:06.000 They're asking him about whether his sperm works and he started talking about his students. 0.85

00:53:10.000 Play it. 0.97

00:53:11.000 Play caught 151.

00:53:11.000 Play back the tape.

00:53:13.000 You had to clarify that you had said that you and your wife You used IVF, but it turned out you used a different kind of fertility in order to have children.

00:53:26.000 And then when you ran for Congress in 2006, your campaign repeatedly made false statements about a 1995 arrest for drunk and reckless driving.

00:53:36.000 What do you say to voters who aren't sure whether they can take you at your word?

00:53:41.000 Well, I've been very public.

00:53:42.000 I think they can see my students come out, former folks I've served with, and they do, they vouch for me.

00:53:48.000 I certainly own my mistakes when I make them.

00:53:51.000 The one thing I'll tell you is, I wished in this country we wouldn't have to do this.

00:53:55.000 I mean, again, I don't know what your students have to do with your drunk driving or your difficulty getting pregnant.

00:54:02.000 I'm sorry, I just, you guys can take it from here.

00:54:09.000 I mean, it is the weirdest response.

00:54:11.000 And again, this just goes back.

00:54:13.000 The crazy, the crazy part is this guy just lies about everything.

00:54:17.000 IVF, his, you know, this.

00:54:20.000 No, but I mean, you want to talk about a non sequitur.

00:54:22.000 Oh, you know, you could just ask all my football players.

00:54:25.000 They'll tell you I'm plenty fertile.

00:54:26.000 Like what are you talking about?

00:54:29.000 Everything's working great down there.

00:54:30.000 All 22 guys on the starting roster.

00:54:33.000 Exactly!

00:54:35.000 Run them out there.

00:54:36.000 You could just talk to my students.

00:54:38.000 I'm very public.

00:54:39.000 That's not what we're talking about!

00:54:43.000 And like, what's even crazier is that when you look into those questions, and they also get into the question about his military service and lying about carrying weapons of war, he never once actually just admits what he did.

00:54:55.000 He never does what Tyler was just talking about that Bush did in 2000 and said, yeah, I made some mistakes.

00:55:00.000 Never says it.

00:55:01.000 He said he blames his wife.

00:55:03.000 He blames grammar.

00:55:04.000 He brings up the dead children in school shootings. I was very, I was very

00:55:09.000 impassioned about the dead children.

00:55:11.000 So you, you know, totally exploiting these horrible situations, these horrible incidents.

00:55:16.000 And he never once owns up. And you can, by the way, see him getting a little frustrated. It's

00:55:20.000 a little hot under the collar. And I think that the way that so in the way that we were talking

00:55:24.000 about how Kamala, she gets anxious. Tim Walz has a tendency and local reporters back in Minnesota

00:55:31.000 have talked about this, that he has a tendency to get angry.

00:55:34.000 He has a tendency to get hot under the collar.

00:55:37.000 He has a tendency to punch back.

00:55:38.000 He blows his top.

00:55:39.000 He's quick to anger.

00:55:40.000 He's almost like an Alec Baldwin in there.

00:55:42.000 I hope he doesn't have any loaded weapons around him.

00:55:44.000 But, you know, this is the kind of guy where if J.D.

00:55:47.000 Vance, when he brings this up, if he really starts poking buttons, you're going to see him absolutely lose it up on that stage.

00:55:55.000 I think this is going to be clip 157, but this non-sequitur answer, so we have Tim Walz, like, confronted about his lies, and he's just referencing his students.

00:56:05.000 Another good example was in Kamala, they were confronting her about, I think it was the, like, why aren't you, why haven't you done all the things that you say you're going to do now, because obviously the administration, and she just pivots to this bizarre thing.

00:56:19.000 Let's just play, 157.

00:56:21.000 You have been vice president for three and a half years.

00:56:24.000 The steps that you're talking about now, why haven't you done them already?

00:56:29.000 I was in Nevada recently, a grandmother who showed me her receipts.

00:56:35.000 And before, we capped the cost of insulin for seniors at $35 a month.

00:56:38.000 She was paying hundreds of dollars, up to thousands of dollars a month for her insulin.

00:56:43.000 She's not doing that anymore. 1.00

00:56:44.000 So you maintain binomics?

00:56:46.000 Is a success.

00:56:47.000 I maintain that when we do the work of bringing down prescription medication for the American people Look how big Tim Walz looks!

00:56:54.000 of the annual cost of prescription medication for seniors at $2,000 when we do what we did in the first year of being in office So that was, again, the question was, why haven't you done the stuff you're pledging to do?

00:57:07.000 And she's just like, the Biden administration is great.

00:57:10.000 I was talking to this grandma.

00:57:12.000 She's paying, she has the receipts for her medicine. 0.90

00:57:15.000 Trump, Trump's bad.

00:57:17.000 Doesn't answer the question, doesn't even really engage with the question.

00:57:23.000 Just go to something completely different.

00:57:26.000 I feel like maybe there's some people that this works on, but I feel like if they're doing it to every awkward question, and there's a lot of awkward questions, and especially if we harp on it, people are going to notice this pattern.

00:57:41.000 Kamala, she dodges questions.

00:57:44.000 She dodges even giving interviews.

00:57:46.000 She dodges press conferences.

00:57:48.000 She avoids the press.

00:57:49.000 And when they actually pin her down, she avoids answering the actual questions that they give her.

00:57:54.000 Maybe avoidant Kamala is one we can go with here.

00:57:57.000 But she's truly a person who is very afraid to give A direct answer to a question and I think it's it's so telling how different it is for Trump.

00:58:09.000 Trump will be very combative in his answers.

00:58:12.000 They'll confront him on something tough like abortion and he'll just like not give an inch.

00:58:16.000 He'll just start he'll say like oh yeah it was it was great what the Supreme Court did it's great we're gonna do all these things.

00:58:21.000 He's always on message.

00:58:23.000 Overly combative.

00:58:24.000 So yeah maybe overly combative very true but there's never this I don't feel like we ever see Trump just totally refuse to engage with the premise of a question and start telling an unrelated story about something else.

00:58:38.000 It's just, it's not his style and I'd like to think that the public recognizes that as a strength of his style.

00:58:45.000 There was a Puck news article recently that they kind of, they released a survey, they asked a bunch of voters, I think it was an Echelon poll, but they were asking people their thoughts on Kamala.

00:58:56.000 And the number one thing that came to people's minds when they asked independent voters about Kamala, I think 21% picked it, was unprepared.

00:59:06.000 And I think that's what we're seeing here.

00:59:08.000 What do you do when you're asked a question you're not prepared for?

00:59:11.000 You just answer the question that you wish you were asked.

00:59:14.000 And in this case, it's basically tell some story about a grandmother that you met.

00:59:20.000 No, she reminds me exactly of, you know, me in school when you're like sleeping and the teacher calls on you and you're like, oh yeah, uh, yeah.

00:59:33.000 And sometimes I do that on this show, you know, and I'll be like, you know, we've been there, right?

00:59:38.000 And you just filibuster until someone bails you out.

00:59:40.000 You just start talking until, you know, Charlie picks it back up and shifts it to somebody else.

00:59:46.000 That's literally bash and comma.

00:59:50.000 Oh my gosh, Colorado's up 11 over North Dakota State.

00:59:54.000 I'm not going to recover from this.

00:59:56.000 You're from South Dakota.

00:59:56.000 This is terrible.

00:59:58.000 I was born in North Dakota.

01:00:00.000 The states are much like each other.

01:00:01.000 We have the Dakota Brethren.

01:00:04.000 People are always saying we should merge the Dakotas.

01:00:06.000 No, we have to stick together.

01:00:08.000 Aren't the Dakota Brethren the Lakota, the actual tribe that used to live there?

01:00:14.000 Isn't that the Dakota Brethren?

01:00:16.000 No.

01:00:20.000 I want to see how, guys, we should take a look at how the left is reacting to this.

01:00:23.000 I'd like to see what MSNBC is saying.

01:00:25.000 I'd like to see what CNN is saying.

01:00:27.000 I notice we haven't done that.

01:00:29.000 And one of the other things, by the way, is that could just be a scheduling thing,

01:00:33.000 but Donald Trump had a fantastic town hall tonight that just got totally, I think,

01:00:38.000 honestly, I think it got overshadowed by this, which is sad because he was there with Tulsi Gabbard,

01:00:43.000 and I saw some clips of it.

01:00:44.000 It was a great format, just having him sort of freewheeling with the questions,

01:00:48.000 having Tulsi up there was great.

01:00:50.000 And look, a lot of the attention was built into this race.

01:00:52.000 So I hope that at some point, maybe not tonight, if we can get to it, I know it's already getting late,

01:00:57.000 but over the next couple of days, we can get back to some of that content

01:01:01.000 that Trump put out tonight, as well as one thing I think we should look at,

01:01:04.000 maybe the producers can dig into it a little bit, about just the response from the left.

01:01:09.000 I think we've got some some CNN maybe coming up as to as to what exactly the you

01:01:15.000 know, because they are the ones okay, they're the ones who needed to do this. Donald

01:01:18.000 Trump does what 10 interviews a week and he's on like a podcast every time you turn

01:01:22.000 around I even pointed out that, you know, he was doing another event tonight even during hers.

01:01:28.000 So you know, this guy's got more content out there like crazy. It was a fantastic event. And,

01:01:35.000 and she's only ever done one.

01:01:38.000 And so it's become this sort of like, you know, sort of like, you know, man bites dog kind of situation

01:01:43.000 where it's like, well, she never gives an interview.

01:01:45.000 And so even though she had a mid one, it's actually much more newsworthy in a sense

01:01:49.000 because Trump is just inundating and saturating the environment,

01:01:53.000 which by the way is a very strong strategy for him.

01:01:55.000 So I think we have a partner I need to talk about here.

01:01:59.000 Let's see here.

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01:02:54.000 Okay, that's a new one.

01:02:56.000 Who wants to...

01:02:59.000 Let's break up 158. 0.98

01:03:01.000 She is making it clear that she will embrace and be a continuation of Biden's economic policy, his record, what they've done.

01:03:09.000 She offered no remorse, no regrets, no introspection about anything they've done.

01:03:14.000 She continued to blame inflation on this fantasy price gouging idea.

01:03:18.000 She had no additional thoughts on the economic situation in the country or what they've done beyond just saying, Joe Biden and I have done a great job.

01:03:28.000 If I were the Trump people, I would be salivating over the idea that that's how they are going to run the race.

01:03:33.000 I don't believe it's tenable.

01:03:35.000 I also thought it was interesting that she didn't take any responsibility at the end for telling the American people that Joe Biden was fine and he was strong.

01:03:42.000 I mean, we all know that's not true.

01:03:44.000 That's why he's out of the race, and she's still standing by the idea that he was fine and he's strong and that he's fine today.

01:03:50.000 Nobody believes that, and I just think at some point... I do.

01:03:54.000 Then why isn't he running?

01:03:56.000 Who wants to take that, Blake?

01:03:58.000 Uh, well first, I want to note that, uh, since we do read the people, anyone who makes a paid Rumble rant, someone ranted that... So, three douchebags against Poso, that's this show.

01:04:09.000 I would correct you, sometimes it's four douchebags.

01:04:12.000 Andrew's on two. 0.85

01:04:13.000 So... This is true.

01:04:15.000 Sometimes Andrew's on.

01:04:16.000 Sometimes I come on and I'm like, wait, I'm also anti-Poso.

01:04:20.000 Who's anti-Poso?

01:04:21.000 No one's anti-Poso.

01:04:22.000 This guy's very pro-Poso.

01:04:23.000 He says we're douchebags, though.

01:04:24.000 Which is fair. 0.85

01:04:25.000 Many people have called me that.

01:04:26.000 Against Poso, though. 0.83

01:04:27.000 Three douchebags against Poso. 1.00

01:04:28.000 It's us versus Poso. 0.95

01:04:30.000 No, I always support Jack.

01:04:33.000 Tyler is generally pretty propo.

01:04:36.000 I'll give Tyler credit on that one.

01:04:38.000 Except with the Diamondbacks owning the Phillies.

01:04:44.000 I feel like the Diamondbacks winning the World Series would be good vibes for the state.

01:04:51.000 Would that make us more likely or less likely to win the state?

01:04:55.000 More likely.

01:04:55.000 It would be more likely because Tyler and I would go to those games and ballot chase with MAGA hats on.

01:05:01.000 Because it would be right during election time.

01:05:05.000 That's why.

01:05:06.000 We'd bring a bunch of chasers.

01:05:08.000 We talked about that, remember?

01:05:09.000 Didn't we talk about doing a bunch of things on camera last time?

01:05:12.000 Like buying those tickets right behind home plate.

01:05:15.000 Like putting Charlie Kirk right behind home plate.

01:05:17.000 The games are October 25th, 26th, 28th, 29th, 30th, and November 1st.

01:05:19.000 Right as the final chasing of ballots.

01:05:20.000 It's October 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, and November 1st, right as the final chasing of ballots.

01:05:28.000 So there you go.

01:05:29.000 All right, here's Chris Hayes reacting to anything Trump does.

01:05:32.000 Play cut 159.

01:05:35.000 Democracy.

01:05:37.000 January 6th.

01:05:39.000 Trump.

01:05:39.000 I Was not prepared for that

01:05:51.000 I thought that was good.

01:05:52.000 Charlie, Charlie's like king of the no cell.

01:05:54.000 So like, by the way, all of our clips that go viral from this, it's usually me doing something silly and then Charlie being like, So, um, liver wart.

01:06:03.000 Yes, so if you guys need a liver cleanse.

01:06:07.000 I totally thought this was just like a regular liver cleanse.

01:06:10.000 Let's play it again one time in the... Play cut 159.

01:06:16.000 Democracy.

01:06:17.000 January 6.

01:06:19.000 Trump.

01:06:24.000 Democracy.

01:06:25.000 January 6.

01:06:27.000 Trump.

01:06:27.000 So funny.

01:06:29.000 Wait, his tie isn't changing.

01:06:30.000 This is all one show.

01:06:32.000 This is just one show.

01:06:33.000 No, you gotta keep it going.

01:06:34.000 You just gotta keep it going.

01:06:34.000 This is just one episode.

01:06:36.000 This is one episode.

01:06:42.000 We need to get him, like, a walking desk or something.

01:06:48.000 This guy needs to get in shape.

01:06:52.000 they should do a celebrity biggest loser.

01:06:54.000 Cause didn't Lizzo, isn't Lizzo losing weight now because she got fat shamed? 1.00

01:06:58.000 And so she's taking a gap year because she, she's like actually going to some like weight loss clinic 1.00

01:07:04.000 down in like Ecuador or something.

01:07:06.000 And she's losing all this weight and posting photos of her fat journey, 1.00

01:07:10.000 excuse me, her body positivity journey.

01:07:12.000 And you know, it's like Chris Hayes, you're next man.

01:07:16.000 Go get the cabana next to Lizzo.

01:07:19.000 Just, you know, give her whatever she wants.

01:07:20.000 You know, she might be a little hungry these days. 1.00

01:07:22.000 I don't know.

01:07:23.000 I don't know if Chris is on the menu, but you know, Lizzo will not be denied.

01:07:28.000 But that said, Chris, you got to do something.

01:07:30.000 You got to take care of yourself, buddy.

01:07:31.000 You got to take care of yourself.

01:07:32.000 How old is he?

01:07:33.000 How old is he?

01:07:34.000 How old is Chris Hayes?

01:07:36.000 Chris Hayes is, he's 45.

01:07:38.000 He is definitely the mascot of the franchise.

01:07:40.000 He's 45.

01:07:41.000 Yeah.

01:07:41.000 If you're Chris Hayes, it's perpetually 2008 and you're excited for Obama to, he's like pajama, if they gave Pajama Boy a show on MSNBC.

01:07:50.000 Anyone else remember Pajama Boy?

01:07:51.000 Yeah.

01:07:52.000 I remember Pajama Boy.

01:07:53.000 I remember him promoting Obamacare.

01:07:55.000 That's right.

01:07:56.000 I remember that.

01:07:58.000 Okay, final thoughts, guys.

01:08:00.000 We have a debate coming up in about 12 days.

01:08:03.000 I don't know if this moves the needle too much, but for independent voters who saw it, I don't think it did anything for Kamala.

01:08:09.000 Final thoughts, guys.

01:08:10.000 Charlie, I'm happy that you finally have college football again, even though there is a player in college football getting his ninth year of eligibility, which I do feel somewhat undermines the college football concept a little bit.

01:08:25.000 To be fair, he was hurt for like three of them, and then there was the COVID year, and then he had a red shirt.

01:08:33.000 Okay, but... Alright, alright.

01:08:37.000 This guy is going to be playing college football across more than two presidential administrations.

01:08:43.000 That is amazing.

01:08:44.000 This guy is in his ninth year of college football playing for Mario Cristobal down in Miami.

01:08:49.000 Pretty amazing.

01:08:49.000 Ninth year of college football.

01:08:53.000 I mean, his injury that he went through is pretty savage.

01:08:54.000 He had to have, like, nails screwed into his knee.

01:08:57.000 It was pretty aggressive.

01:08:58.000 Final thoughts, Tyler?

01:09:00.000 I don't think Chris Hayes needs to go to Fat Camp.

01:09:03.000 They have drugs for this now.

01:09:05.000 They released an entire South Park about it.

01:09:07.000 If Cartman can get skinny... Ozempic?

01:09:09.000 It's just Ozempic.

01:09:12.000 MSNBC... I'm surprised MSNBC doesn't have an Ozempic policy.

01:09:18.000 You know, like, imagine if instead of all the COVID stuff we did to, like, lockdown, if we just did a national, like, everyone should lose 20 pounds, because that would have helped a lot more than all the lockdowns.

01:09:29.000 It was just a risk factor to be overweight.

01:09:31.000 National Ozempic Initiative.

01:09:33.000 Except that it's, like, weird and creepy for other reasons.

01:09:36.000 He's definitely eating more hot dogs than Rachel Maddow.

01:09:40.000 Can't argue with that.

01:09:41.000 Jack, final thoughts?

01:09:43.000 Again, I just keep going back to it.

01:09:45.000 She didn't do what she needed to do.

01:09:47.000 All of this really will do is serve to prevent Trump from having that attack line at the debate in 12 days of saying she's never done any interviews. 0.82

01:09:56.000 Now, he could say she's only ever done one interview, but I think I would rate this as a W because what the Trump campaign has been able to do here is successfully force her out of hiding. She's been in hiding since she got 0.99

01:10:08.000 into this race. And by the way, there are still some very serious questions about how she

01:10:13.000 got into the race in the first place. And CNN tried very hard, Denabash trying hard to give it the

01:10:19.000 illusion of a serious conversation about what exactly happened with Joe Biden. But then again, no

01:10:26.000 curiosity as to so who's running the country right now? Do you talk to Joe Biden on a regular

01:10:31.000 basis? Because we're told he's off at the beach. You seem to be driving around Georgia in a bus. Who's

01:10:37.000 actually defending the nation while here. Also, haven't you kind of been the president the

01:10:43.000 entire time? Well, no, no, no, you and I know that. But of course, CNN and, you know, the average voter

01:10:47.000 out there doesn't hear those things and has questions as to who actually is in charge. And so I don't

01:10:54.000 think that again, that she did what she needed to do. And I think there's still massive questions

01:11:00.000 and so much area that Trump can exploit and will just because it's Donald Trump, certainly be exploiting

01:11:06.000 in 12 days time here in Philadelphia.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 31, 2024

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 55 — Nervous Kamala's First Interview

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