The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 56 — Was Churchill Bad? + Worst Team In Football?

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00:01:35.000 Hello, welcome to ThoughtCrime.

00:01:37.000 It is ThoughtCrime Thursday.

00:01:38.000 We have a lot in store for you here.

00:01:41.000 We have Blake, Tyler, and Jack.

00:01:44.000 How's everybody doing?

00:01:45.000 I'm feeling very criminal today, Charlie.

00:01:47.000 Yeah, you've been in a bad mood all day.

00:01:48.000 You know, it's just one of those days.

00:01:50.000 I walk in and Blake was just, like, shredding paper, just walking around very forcefully.

00:01:56.000 It's a good thing that Blake did not have a military at his disposal this morning.

00:01:59.000 Yes, indeed.

00:01:59.000 He might have done something really bad.

00:02:01.000 You really not happy.

00:02:02.000 Incited Poland. 0.99

00:02:03.000 Incited a war.

00:02:04.000 Yeah.

00:02:05.000 Blake was, uh, he was on one because, and I said, this is Blake's time to shine.

00:02:09.000 I did my homework.

00:02:12.000 I listened to most of the podcast.

00:02:13.000 I don't have that strong of opinions on it.

00:02:15.000 I, there were three or four things that I found that I was like, okay, that doesn't sound right.

00:02:18.000 Or I don't agree with, which is the Tucker Carlson podcast with Daryl Cooper.

00:02:23.000 Yeah, Daryl Cooper.

00:02:24.000 He also goes by MartyrMade.

00:02:27.000 I'm not sure what the origin of that is, but it's called MartyrMade.

00:02:30.000 He has a substack.

00:02:32.000 He has a podcast.

00:02:33.000 He has a Twitter account with about 260,000 subscribers, which is about 260,000 more than I have.

00:02:39.000 Yeah, so the conversation started, fair enough, with him talking about this very in-depth story he did on the Jonestown Cult, claiming that he listened to 2,000 hours of Jim Jones.

00:02:51.000 That is a lot of hours to listen to Jim Jones.

00:02:54.000 I'm sorry, I don't believe it.

00:02:56.000 I just don't.

00:02:57.000 For someone who listens to lots of hours of content, I went through a 180 hours of an Old Testament Genesis Ex Leviticus Numbers Deuteronomy on two times speed sometimes and it took me like all year to do it correctly.

00:03:11.000 You know, I just had the thought since I review our podcast episodes.

00:03:15.000 I wonder if I've listened to 2,000 hours of Charlie.

00:03:17.000 Well, think about it.

00:03:19.000 It's not even three hours.

00:03:21.000 It's about an hour and a half of content a day and then it's not every single day.

00:03:27.000 It may be since you've started working.

00:03:29.000 Maybe.

00:03:30.000 Think of how much content that is.

00:03:31.000 Yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:03:32.000 So anyway, then it went into what, Blake?

00:03:35.000 We could play the tape here.

00:03:36.000 It's set in the Internet of Blaze.

00:03:37.000 This will be centered on that.

00:03:39.000 Yeah, so like you said, it starts off with Jonestown, and they talk about Israel-Palestine, lots of stuff like that.

00:03:43.000 But where it really goes into other stuff is Tucker Nelson.

00:03:50.000 He's like, oh, you have somewhat different ideas about World War II.

00:03:54.000 We have several clips here.

00:03:55.000 I'm not sure which is the best one, but let's just go with the first one on the list, 69.

00:03:59.000 I'm American.

00:04:00.000 I'm not English, so I don't have any weird motive in asking this, but how would you assess Winston Churchill?

00:04:08.000 I got in trouble with my podcast partner, Jocko Willink, one time because he's a New England Dutchman whose family, it's near and dear to their Dutch, but very near and dear to their heart that Winston Churchill is a hero, right?

00:04:21.000 Well, everyone loves Churchill.

00:04:22.000 Everyone thinks that.

00:04:23.000 He really thinks that.

00:04:24.000 And I told him that I think, and maybe I'm being a little hyperbolic, maybe, but I told him, maybe trying to provoke him a little bit, that I thought Churchill was the chief villain of the Second World War.

00:04:36.000 Now, he didn't kill the most people.

00:04:38.000 He didn't commit the most atrocities.

00:04:41.000 But I believe, and I don't really think, I think when you really get into it and tell the story right and don't leave anything out, you see that he was primarily responsible for that war becoming what it did, becoming something other than an invasion of Poland.

00:04:55.000 Mind you, there's a picture of Churchill right there.

00:05:00.000 Chief villain of World War II.

00:05:02.000 That is a strong label to assert in a conflict.

00:05:06.000 Why is that not true, Blake?

00:05:09.000 So, it's such a big-picture thing, like, I need some context.

00:05:14.000 So, his argument—so, he mentions this on Tucker, and then he also did a Twitter thread that is 54 posts long—on X, I should say, X thread—54 posts long, the first of them has 5.6 million views.

00:05:27.000 So, that's a surprising amount of play on X for any historical topic.

00:05:33.000 And the argument, which this has actually been around a while, Pat Buchanan wrote a book arguing this back in 2008, but the claim is that World War II should have been a small war, that Hitler didn't want a big war, he just wanted to go annex Danzig and that was it.

00:05:51.000 And that Churchill forced him to keep fighting because Churchill wouldn't negotiate peace, and so then Hitler had to go do all of these other things that Hitler decided to do. 0.58

00:06:02.000 Like, he didn't really want to invade the Soviet Union, or do the Holocaust, or do all this other stuff, but then Churchill, like, because Churchill just loved being a warmonger, like, forced I guess forced is the term to do it.

00:06:18.000 He forced him to do it, is essentially the argument.

00:06:22.000 And I'll confess, this was an annoying thing I had to do.

00:06:25.000 I went and I was reading the thread, and I went into this, like, fugue state where I was researching every single assumption that it made.

00:06:34.000 Explain the thread to the audience, because the thread is different than the podcast.

00:06:36.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:06:37.000 So this was the day after.

00:06:38.000 This was released on Tuesday afternoon, I believe.

00:06:41.000 Uh, after it started to go viral that he was on it, and I'll just read some portions of it.

00:06:46.000 You know, he says, time for a Churchill thread, time for a Churchill thread.

00:06:49.000 Why I think Churchill was a chief villain of World War II.

00:06:53.000 Uh, and he's, you know, kind of repeats the caveat.

00:06:55.000 I don't, he didn't order the most deaths or do the most stuff, but then he basically rewrites this narrative where Churchill is single-handedly responsible for Like why Hitler rose, because he says, Churchill blockaded Germany in World War I, and this caused starvation deaths.

00:07:12.000 But he wasn't in charge.

00:07:14.000 He was in charge of the Navy when World War I broke out.

00:07:18.000 He was First Lord of the Admiralty.

00:07:20.000 It was the start of the war.

00:07:20.000 That was like 1918 or something.

00:07:20.000 1914.

00:07:24.000 The blockade thing, as a strategy, had been decided on beforehand.

00:07:27.000 He, like, didn't come up with this idea from scratch.

00:07:30.000 And then, after the war's over, where they'll always kind of cite it as a controversial thing, is after World War I ends, they continue the blockade until the Treaty of Versailles is signed.

00:07:40.000 So they're still blockading Germany in 1919, after Germany has surrendered.

00:07:44.000 This is a controversial act.

00:07:45.000 The argument was they didn't occupy Germany after the war, so the blockade was sort of

00:07:49.000 how they kept Germany from going take-backsies and resuming the war.

00:07:56.000 But Churchill argues against this, and this is what was frustrating to me that this went

00:08:01.000 very viral, is what the entire thread does is he is repeating a lot of stuff from a book

00:08:07.000 that came out in 2008 that I remember when it came out.

00:08:10.000 It's called Human Smoke.

00:08:12.000 And what it is is it's a bunch of quotations and news stories from the lead-up to World

00:08:18.000 War II that essentially is designed to present the argument that World War II was avoidable

00:08:22.000 and Winston Churchill and a few other warmongers just really wanted a war, so they decided

00:08:27.000 to blow it all up.

00:08:28.000 And that, as a result, by extension, Winston Churchill is responsible for the fall of the British Empire, and some people seem to believe that it's responsible for, like, why wokeness exists.

00:08:40.000 And I think that's what's actually going into this most of the time, is I think there's this sort of moths to a flame thing where people like—they're drawn to revisionist takes on World War II, and I think on the right it's because a lot of people, you know, they know World War II looms large, that's the creation of the post-war American global order, and that American global order is now, you know, kind of obsessed with mass immigration and you know, gay and trans rights and all of that. And so they

00:09:08.000 see these two as related.

00:09:09.000 Yeah. So let me throw to Jack just so that the audience who's not aware can. So, Jack,

00:09:13.000 why don't you explain what we're responding to carry the audience along here?

00:09:17.000 Yeah. So it's just basically that there's this this long thread that which which Blake is

00:09:23.000 responding to that where where Darrell goes in and basically he makes his case using a variety

00:09:32.000 of instances from the end of World War One all the way up to the beginning of World War Two,

00:09:40.000 and then later the conduct of World War Two to make this case using these various pieces

00:09:45.000 of information that, you know, the typical person who may be interested in history or

00:09:50.000 maybe isn't interested in history maybe doesn't know about.

00:09:53.000 So like this blockade of Germany which happened Prior to World War II, so what happened, you know, about 30 years prior, at the end of World War I, before the beginning of the Treaty of Versailles, there's all of these various little, and I don't mean to say little, I just mean to say these various instances that he's referring to throughout time, and each of them, when you take them on whole, you know, and you're reading it in a vacuum, you know, it certainly paints a certain picture, and so what Blake has done

00:10:21.000 is gone through and actually found kind of responses to all of them.

00:10:26.000 And, you know, like, obviously World War II is something that a lot of people, a lot of scholarship has gone into,

00:10:32.000 but it's so important for things like this that are so complex that literally involved

00:10:37.000 something like 80% of the world's landmass at war at one point.

00:10:41.000 They are extremely complicated and so you can't just take one view of it or another.

00:10:46.000 Or look at things without it, out of context.

00:10:48.000 Let's play Cut 71.

00:10:50.000 Once that's done, the British have, you know, escaped at Dunkirk.

00:10:55.000 There's no British force left on the continent.

00:10:57.000 There's no opposing force left on the continent.

00:11:02.000 In other words, the war is over and the Germans won. 0.77

00:11:06.000 But by what point?

00:11:10.000 Fall of 1940, right?

00:11:11.000 So there's literally no opposing force on the continent.

00:11:16.000 And throughout that summer, Adolf Hitler is firing off radio broadcasts, giving speeches, literally sending planes over to drop leaflets over London and other British cities, trying to get the message to these people that Germany does not want to fight you.

00:11:30.000 Like, we don't want to fight you.

00:11:32.000 Offering peace proposals that, you know, said, you keep all your overseas colonies.

00:11:38.000 We don't want any of that.

00:11:38.000 We want Britain to be strong.

00:11:40.000 The world needs Britain to be strong, you know, especially as we face this communist threat and so forth.

00:11:44.000 Like, this is what's going on.

00:11:47.000 And I think that if there were people in Britain who, if they hadn't put it this way, if they hadn't been so successful at delegitimizing the peace approach by demonizing Neville Chamberlain and so forth and holding him responsible for the invasion of Poland, that people would have been, they would have understood, like, we don't need another repeat of the First World War.

00:12:11.000 You know, we don't, which is not what ended up happening, but that's what everybody thought was going to happen.

00:12:15.000 And so Churchill, I mean you have a guy, Churchill wanted a war.

00:12:20.000 He wanted to fight Germany. 0.96

00:12:23.000 Hold on, but wasn't Dunkirk the Germans trying to kill British troops?

00:12:28.000 No, so the narrative he's going with here, just very basic World War II summary for people who don't have it ingrained in their head from like when they read every middle school World War II book when they were 10.

00:12:41.000 I'll watch the movie Dunkirk, by the way, which is a great movie.

00:12:45.000 So 1939, Hitler invades Poland, Germany, and Britain and France declare war on Germany.

00:12:50.000 Not the Soviet Union, not America, Britain and France, and then, you know, other countries that don't count, like Canada.

00:12:56.000 And Poland's defeated.

00:12:59.000 After this, Hitler offers peace, and I think Britain and France understandably say, no, you started this war, we're not going to let you conquer Poland. 0.88

00:13:09.000 Anyway, the following year, in the spring, Hitler invades into the West, he also attacks Belgium and the Netherlands, which were neutral countries, beats them, conquers France, and then the British are trapped at Dunkirk, and they escape at Dunkirk, they evacuate back to Britain. 0.67

00:13:24.000 And then what he's saying is after this, the British have been driven out of continental Europe, they're just stuck on Britain, and Germany is essentially the master of Europe from, you know, the Atlantic Ocean to the Soviet Union.

00:13:38.000 For lack of a better term, he seems a little butthurt about this.

00:13:43.000 Like, that's not fair!

00:13:46.000 You're supposed to surrender now!

00:13:48.000 You're supposed to make peace!

00:13:50.000 You can't beat Germany! 1.00

00:13:51.000 You're cheating!

00:13:52.000 And Churchill didn't do that.

00:13:54.000 Churchill just said, nope, we're going to continue the war.

00:13:57.000 And lo and behold, five years later, it wasn't Britain that was surrendering, it was Germany.

00:14:04.000 Uh and so this is it's I guess this sounds esoteric but this went viral for a reason and I'll say I've been around the you know conservatism the right for a long time at this point and there's always been this substrate of like Churchill was bad, or like World War II, like the way it went, like we shouldn't have been involved in it. 0.97

00:14:29.000 And I just can't help but feel that, I don't think it's that like, some people are saying this is like neo-Nazi stuff, I think that's stupid.

00:14:35.000 I think what it is, is it's like compulsive contrarianism. 0.94

00:14:40.000 That, like you've heard, you know, it's held up as this big like great crusade, every movie, like the Nazis, the bad guys, and everything.

00:14:47.000 You know, Churchill's this big hero.

00:14:49.000 And so, for some people, there's just this overwhelming temptation to say, like, no, actually.

00:14:54.000 But I'll be honest, it reminds me of when people say that, like, America or Britain are systematically racist countries.

00:15:00.000 You're going to take one of our great achievements, which is beating this absolutely deranged tyrant Hitler who wanted to take over the world and, you know, destroy Christian civilization, And we fought a war against him, and we beat him, and then as a bonus, we managed to beat the Soviet Union. 0.66

00:15:17.000 It took a few decades, but we even did it without firing a shot.

00:15:20.000 That's a pretty good set of accomplishments.

00:15:23.000 And I think it's very sad that people are gonna, you know, anyone's gonna come along and say, actually, that was a big mistake, and we shouldn't have done it.

00:15:32.000 And especially on the grounds of, as he's saying in that clip we just showed, that, oh, Hitler wanted to make peace.

00:15:38.000 Well, there were several opportunities for Hitler to make peace, and there was also an opportunity to have peace known as not declaring war in the first place. 0.84

00:15:47.000 And there was a person who declared war, and it wasn't Winston Churchill.

00:15:50.000 But help me understand, weren't Germans killing British forces in France?

00:15:54.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:15:54.000 His argument is that the British had lost.

00:15:56.000 Like, it's not that they weren't being killed.

00:15:58.000 Wait, you lost a battle, not lost a war.

00:16:00.000 He says they lost the war because they weren't on France.

00:16:02.000 So if you're not in France, you've lost.

00:16:05.000 By what paradigm is this morally clear?

00:16:09.000 I don't know.

00:16:10.000 No, I mean, I don't understand the point.

00:16:12.000 Like, they try to eliminate 300,000 British soldiers, they barely get out at Dunkirk, and then you're like, oh, you know, we should go sue for peace?

00:16:20.000 Yeah.

00:16:21.000 Oh, okay.

00:16:22.000 It basically is that they lost a battle.

00:16:24.000 So under his perspective, if the continent remained Nazi, good. 0.98

00:16:29.000 I don't know if he would say good, but at least acceptable.

00:16:32.000 He's like, oh sure, Hitler was okay with a strong British Empire, but I guess Britain was supposed to be okay with Nazis ruling France. 0.85

00:16:40.000 So then at what point, help me, educate me, then when did Hitler start firebombing London?

00:16:47.000 So Hitler doesn't firebomb London.

00:16:48.000 He does bomb London.

00:16:49.000 Firebombing... I'm just gonna be a nerd. 0.94

00:16:51.000 That's like technical where you're... Okay, fine.

00:16:52.000 Okay, great.

00:16:53.000 He starts bombing London over the summer of 1940 to try to get... He start... Well... But hold on.

00:16:57.000 But Dunkirk was in June of 1940.

00:16:59.000 Yeah.

00:17:00.000 So basically immediately after, France surrenders and then the only thing they have left is Britain and so... Wait, hold on.

00:17:06.000 But if Hitler really didn't want... wanted Britain to succeed and continue, why did he start bombing them?

00:17:12.000 Why didn't he just ignore them?

00:17:15.000 Yeah, I mean, Britain was still at war with him.

00:17:16.000 Britain was bombing, you know, Britain was bombing Germany. 0.78

00:17:18.000 Britain was very determined to continue the war also.

00:17:20.000 So, I think, I don't think you can fault either side for waging the war that they were involved in.

00:17:25.000 But he's making it seem as if that Germany was being these, like, super reasonable peace doves.

00:17:29.000 Yeah, that's what I'm trying to understand.

00:17:31.000 That's the part that... Is there any evidence for this?

00:17:33.000 Well, Hitler does... So he's hanging it all... Yeah, I think you're about to say it, Blake.

00:17:38.000 He's hanging it all on this statement or I guess a series of statements that Hitler makes at one 0.74

00:17:43.000 point, basically offering peace terms to the British, which of course, as we know, the British

00:17:48.000 and Churchill completely reject.

00:17:50.000 And it seems to be that his, his argument is that had, um, had Churchill taken the peace terms,

00:17:59.000 that the war would not have spread beyond what it was at that point,

00:18:03.000 which then obviously would have left it in its current state.

00:18:06.000 Well, and we're not even touching upon the fact of like the actual history of

00:18:10.000 the German-Soviet relations, which are totally neglected in this entire thing and not talked

00:18:15.000 about, which is that I...

00:18:17.000 I wrote a book about it.

00:18:18.000 Well, I'm not saying with us.

00:18:20.000 I'm saying this entire argument we're talking about Churchill is that the Nazis marched, they totally just like ripped up the entire agreement that Hitler had made with Stalin. 0.75

00:18:33.000 And they move forward, you know, took over, uh, you know, in, in this pursuit, and it was a really racist anti-Slavic pursuit, which is a really important part of this whole thing that you look at.

00:18:46.000 And so that's, you know, the joining of forces.

00:18:50.000 And so putting this, this narrative that like, that, you know, Hitler wasn't trying to like, Take more than, you know, what he claimed.

00:19:00.000 There was this whole argument over, it wasn't to the Soviet Union, there was this defining line between Germanic peoples and Slavic peoples, and there was this whole dispute over this in the midst of, you know, to say that, you know, the Germans weren't going to do that to anyone else is insane.

00:19:18.000 To the Anglos, to anyone else, it's insane. 1.00

00:19:20.000 Part of this is, why don't they just trust Hitler? 0.90

00:19:22.000 Hitler was offering them a peace deal. 0.94

00:19:24.000 Hitler had annexed Austria and then said, I'm not going to do anything more after this, just don't declare war on me.

00:19:30.000 And then Hitler annexes Czechoslovakia.

00:19:32.000 He gets the Munich Agreement where he takes half of Czechoslovakia.

00:19:36.000 And he says, after this, I'm done.

00:19:37.000 That's the last of what I'm going to do.

00:19:39.000 And then not even six months later, he annexes the whole country.

00:19:44.000 And then he comes up and he's like, OK, and now I'm going to take, you know, he takes the city off Lithuania.

00:19:48.000 And then finally he says, OK, now I'm going to go after Danzig. 0.91

00:19:51.000 And they finally quite reasonably say, no, you're just a lunatic who's like extremely aggressive and revisionist. 0.96

00:19:58.000 And then reasonably, I would say one of the reasons Churchill doesn't make peace is he says, yeah, well, Hitler's a lunatic, so he's going to keep invading countries. 0.98

00:20:05.000 I can't get past this point. 0.95

00:20:06.000 A year later he does!

00:20:07.000 He wants him to make peace in the midst of a war?

00:20:12.000 Well, yeah.

00:20:13.000 France is completely occupied.

00:20:16.000 We're just going to give that up?

00:20:18.000 I think that is the argument, yeah.

00:20:20.000 To these savage barbarians? 0.56

00:20:23.000 And the Eastern Front.

00:20:25.000 They're marching across all of the Slavic peoples, too.

00:20:30.000 I just, I must, I want to give this guy the benefit of the, Jack, what am I missing here?

00:20:33.000 I just, the lack of moral clarity.

00:20:36.000 Can we, can we just, well, no, you're not missing it, but, but, you know, you know, as the resident Polak, definitely have to point out that, you know, this was a situation where, yes, Hitler, and then two weeks later, Joseph Stalin invade Poland.

00:20:51.000 At the time, of course, Poland had this, Basically, they had a treaty, defense treaty, with the UK and France.

00:21:00.000 And so this is why the war is declared.

00:21:02.000 Which Hitler knew, by the way, that this agreement was in place. 0.76

00:21:06.000 And so it was triggered.

00:21:08.000 Basically, there's some writing to say that, you know, he thought that maybe the UK and France wouldn't actually declare war over Poland.

00:21:17.000 But of course, if they didn't, that would have basically meant that their word was worthless.

00:21:21.000 And so they weren't staying up to their agreements, which of course would diminish their strategic standing, etc, etc, etc.

00:21:28.000 But point being is he invaded Poland, half of Poland was destroyed by Hitler, the other half was destroyed by Stalin. 0.68

00:21:36.000 And all of this was still going on at the time of this What did he say?

00:21:41.000 Fall of 1940 or December 1940, Dunkirk?

00:21:44.000 So, at the time of Dunkirk, that's all still taking place.

00:21:48.000 And these are, by the way, areas of Poland to what Tyler is talking about.

00:21:54.000 This was not, you know, part of Germany.

00:21:56.000 These were not German villages or German settlements.

00:21:59.000 These were Polish-speaking people in Polish villages that have been polled since time immemorial.

00:22:05.000 This was not some of, like, No, not at all.

00:22:12.000 Not even a little bit.

00:22:13.000 And so it's ridiculous to say that the war was over because for the Polish people it certainly wasn't over.

00:22:20.000 For the Polish people it wasn't over until the 1990s.

00:22:23.000 And that was the Hitler belief, Liebensraum, which was the... Liebensraum. 0.79

00:22:30.000 Liebensraum, yeah, which was the idea that, and that was the excuse that was used to keep marching.

00:22:37.000 And they weren't going to stop.

00:22:40.000 I mean, every agreement they made, they ruined within weeks or months and ripped it up and just kept going.

00:22:49.000 So it's just, and ignoring that's insane.

00:22:53.000 Yeah, you go through the thread and I guess it's unfortunate because in the video this guy, Daryl Cooper, I think Tucker Scribeson was like one of the top historians in the U.S.

00:23:05.000 and I haven't seen the Jonestown thing, it might be very good, but like all the stuff on World War II is he literally let red, I'm not making this up, all the quotes he does in his Twitter thread are from that book Human Smoke, which is written by a left-wing pacifist erotica writer.

00:23:22.000 He has written masterworks such as House of Holes.

00:23:26.000 I did not make that title up.

00:23:31.000 It's a book by a pacifist who just hates Churchill.

00:23:34.000 As far as I can tell, he's just mad World War II happened.

00:23:40.000 What I'll say is, I've seen this book recommended by people on the right because they want to have this based, dissident take on World War II.

00:23:51.000 You know, sometimes the old-school boomer con take is correct, and I'm a boomer con on World War II. 0.55

00:23:59.000 I think Hitler was bad, and it was good for America and Britain to fight Hitler and beat Hitler. 0.93

00:24:06.000 And is it a valid take to say Stalin was just as bad? 0.92

00:24:09.000 Sure!

00:24:10.000 And I think America kind of knew that before the war, and we quickly reminded ourselves of it after the war, which is why we had the Cold War.

00:24:18.000 Well, and this is one of the important parts is having lived in Russia, the number one thing that every boomer Russian said to me immediately upon learning I was American was, thank you so much.

00:24:30.000 If it wasn't for the West, like we would all be speaking German. 0.99

00:24:34.000 If it wasn't for the West, I don't know if we would have a village. 0.99

00:24:37.000 If it wasn't for the West.

00:24:38.000 And so there's this also, you know, when we're talking about, You know, these ideas is like, you know, there is an argument to be made as well that World War Two, like things could have been a different world in which Hitler still remains in cahoots with Stalin.

00:24:57.000 And we live in a German, you know, Soviet world versus an American Soviet world.

00:25:04.000 And the eradication of Western ideals is greatly accelerated.

00:25:12.000 You can make the argument that we actually, in part, won the Cold War ultimately and the destruction of one of the largest superpowers ever in the 20th century because Western ideals were sewn throughout Soviet culture because of Winston Churchill demanding Stalin and FDR getting on the same page.

00:25:34.000 Because it wasn't FDR.

00:25:35.000 FDR did nothing.

00:25:37.000 We justifiably get mad when Libs rip down statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and say America is a racist country, America is a genocidal country, America was never great.

00:25:50.000 And then it's bizarre to me to see some of the people who get mad about this also turn

00:25:54.000 around and they're like, actually, you know, when you visit Normandy and these French people

00:25:59.000 are all super grateful that you helped liberate their country, like, shouldn't have done that.

00:26:03.000 That was that was bullcrap and a waste of time.

00:26:05.000 It was evil that we did that. 0.95

00:26:08.000 Churchill is the most evil person in World War Two for causing that to happen.

00:26:12.000 So great.

00:26:13.000 And you'll even see that like it's sometimes you'll see that you have you run into people

00:26:17.000 who think like abraham lincoln was a bad guy because he like suspended habeas

00:26:20.000 I've run into them.

00:26:20.000 Oh, no.

00:26:21.000 Radical libertarians say it all the time.

00:26:23.000 You know, radical idea?

00:26:25.000 I am glad America got rid of slavery.

00:26:28.000 I'm very pro-Lincoln, and I'm pro-Churchill.

00:26:31.000 The Claremont people, by the way, are very pro-Lincoln, pro-Churchill, because they believe that they embody the great man theory, which is that you have these times of climactic history that require prudence, judgment, and valor.

00:26:46.000 And sometimes the rules are kind of suspended, but the fruit is civilization.

00:26:50.000 Yeah.

00:26:51.000 And that's why Washington, Lincoln, and Churchill are revered in the Claremont.

00:26:55.000 Yeah.

00:26:57.000 And this is where, and Tyler, you and I were chatting about this earlier in the chat, and we get into this a ton in Unhumans, and actually I talked about it when I was on Tucker, regarding Stalin's role in World War II that's just constantly overlooked.

00:27:13.000 And the fact that, no, he was running schemes and machinations behind the scenes just as much as everyone else.

00:27:19.000 People seem to think that Stalin was just this like, oh, woe is me, this terrible Operation Barbarossa just randomly happened for no reason.

00:27:26.000 And no, no, he was just as complicit as Hitler, in many cases, in starting the war. 0.66

00:27:33.000 And it just on that instance is what I'm talking about.

00:27:36.000 And in the further conduct of it, there's, I mean, there's,

00:27:39.000 and there's so many different takes, you know, people do these sort of alternate histories

00:27:43.000 and they kind of do the whole like, well, and I remember during the Cold War, people would say,

00:27:47.000 well, what if we had just let Hitler and Stalin fight each other and hash it out, et cetera. 0.71

00:27:52.000 But, you know, at the same time, if you're, you know, if you're from that part of the world,

00:27:58.000 Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, guess what?

00:28:01.000 Every time Germany and Russia rumble, that's your hometown. 1.00

00:28:05.000 That's your village.

00:28:06.000 This is something like going back and visiting my family over there or my wife growing up in in that part of Belarus and being from there.

00:28:14.000 It's like these are all, you know, interesting, I guess, ideological questions for people.

00:28:19.000 Or, you know, it's kind of like a parlor game almost.

00:28:22.000 And that's honestly that's that's probably my biggest my biggest beef with how glib these people are

00:28:30.000 when they talk about it.

00:28:31.000 And it's like, do you understand these were people's homes, that these are people's villages,

00:28:35.000 that there were children that were involved in this thing, that there were just absolute horrors and atrocities

00:28:42.000 that went on where Americans, we are so blessed by the way.

00:28:47.000 And it gives you kind of an understanding of why our ancestors decided to come here,

00:28:50.000 because we are so blessed by these two massive oceans that we have on our sides.

00:28:54.000 And we should be blessed by two equally as strong borders to our North and South to keep us safe

00:29:01.000 from all of the crap that has gone on in the past.

00:29:05.000 And you look at the Ukraine war that's going on right now. 0.97

00:29:07.000 it continues to go on, the blood lands continue to go on, the blood feuds continue to happen,

00:29:12.000 and I'm not trying to, you know, people are going to say, oh he's making moral, I'm not making moral

00:29:17.000 equivalence, I'm just pointing out that it's very, it's very glib. I think the whole thing is, is,

00:29:23.000 is very glib to say, oh, oh, well, this guy should have done this,

00:29:26.000 or this guy should have done that.

00:29:28.000 And look, from my perspective, as a guy who comes from Polish descent, that certainly we need

00:29:35.000 to examine Stalin's role more as much in terms of getting the war started, without question.

00:29:41.000 So yeah, wanna play another piece of tape here, Blake?

00:29:43.000 Why don't we continue to navigate through this?

00:29:45.000 All right, yeah, sure.

00:29:46.000 Yeah, just let me scroll up and check the numbers we have.

00:29:49.000 How about we do 74?

00:29:54.000 I think part of it, like I read about Churchill and he strikes me as a psychopath.

00:29:59.000 Um, but he's also a sort of, I mean, he was a drunk. 0.82

00:30:03.000 He was very childish in strange ways.

00:30:05.000 People would talk about how as an adult, like at, you know, as prime minister, they'd find him in his room and he's like playing with action figures like war toys and army men and stuff and would get mad when people would, uh, would interrupt him, you know, when he was doing that.

00:30:19.000 So this is a strange, strange fellow, you know?

00:30:22.000 Okay, first of all, I'm gonna defend his honor on that one.

00:30:25.000 That sounds awesome.

00:30:28.000 Well, hold on.

00:30:29.000 This is so unfair.

00:30:31.000 I'm a big Churchill guy.

00:30:32.000 I don't know everything about him, okay?

00:30:34.000 Yes, he loved liquor.

00:30:37.000 It's an interesting argument whether he was a drunk or not.

00:30:39.000 There's like wildly different takes on this.

00:30:40.000 Dr. Arnn says he was not.

00:30:42.000 Just so we are clear, Dr. Arnn is the greatest living Churchill historian.

00:30:46.000 You know that he studied under Martin Gilbert, is that his name right?

00:30:50.000 Sir Martin Gilbert, who was like the Churchill guy for like a decade.

00:30:54.000 Go ahead.

00:30:55.000 And he says no, he was not a doctor.

00:30:57.000 So an interesting one was The Last Lion is the big popular Churchill biography, William Manchester.

00:31:02.000 And, William Manchester's version, he believed Churchill, like, was a drunk, but, like, held his liquor well so that he, you know, could function anyway.

00:31:11.000 And then he dies, and volume three of his biography is completed by a different guy.

00:31:15.000 And one of the funny things about it is, this second biographer reaches a totally different conclusion, and he says, the evidence is, Churchill always had alcohol with him, so this gave the perception that he was a drunk, but he just kind of said, Guy probably actually drank it pretty slowly, so like he was maybe perpetually buzzed, but not truly a drunk as we would understand.

00:31:35.000 But as long as we're into kind of the substance thing, Hitler was not exactly sober. 0.82

00:31:39.000 Hitler was on meth all the time!

00:31:41.000 He was like a tweaker!

00:31:42.000 I know, so as long as we're introducing substances of World War II characters, Also, Hitler was a vegetarian, which is vastly more messed up than playing with action figures. 0.62

00:31:53.000 Totally agree.

00:31:54.000 Synthetics.

00:31:55.000 I mean, who knows what was in that guy's system?

00:31:58.000 So, secondly, the action figure thing.

00:32:00.000 Okay?

00:32:02.000 I think that's kind of hilarious.

00:32:04.000 No, I just want to be clear.

00:32:05.000 After listening to this, again, I don't know the totality of Churchill's life.

00:32:08.000 It is true.

00:32:09.000 He lived paycheck to paycheck.

00:32:11.000 He was terrible at saving money.

00:32:12.000 He always, like, spent what he had.

00:32:14.000 But you know, he kind of grew up in affluence, he was born in Blenheim Palace, born into royalty, just kind of, he always figured money came to him, which was kind of true, but I just don't understand the objection.

00:32:26.000 Okay, he bombed the Black Forest.

00:32:28.000 Oh yeah, they complained about that at one point, just to explain to the people watching.

00:32:33.000 Can I interject on the alcoholism thing?

00:32:36.000 So, Babe Ruth.

00:32:38.000 You know, I just recently just got, like, really obsessed into Babe Ruth and, like, his personal... He was, like, a horrible dude.

00:32:45.000 Like, a horrible... Didn't do... He was the same thing.

00:32:48.000 Was not, you know, drank a lot, had a womanizing thing... So you're saying Babe Ruth is the real villain of World War II?

00:32:54.000 No, but it goes back to the Great Man Theory, which is there are heroes in society that are necessary, and there are some character flaws that... many character flaws that most will have.

00:33:05.000 But they do something, they move something in society that's really important.

00:33:10.000 So anyways, I just wanted to mention that.

00:33:12.000 But then I just don't understand.

00:33:16.000 These seem like very surface level critiques.

00:33:18.000 Like, oh, you know what?

00:33:19.000 He was a little drunk.

00:33:20.000 I know he saved Western civilization and kept common law together and defeated the megalomaniac of the 20th century.

00:33:29.000 But he liked vodka too much.

00:33:31.000 And figured out how to make Joseph Stalin the number two, arguably the number three guy in the world. 0.82

00:33:40.000 I say this as somebody who loves Churchill.

00:33:43.000 I've signed Churchill stuff in my office, but if there's a criticism about Churchill, I'll receive it.

00:33:49.000 I'm not an apologist.

00:33:50.000 But is this the best thing?

00:33:51.000 Of course he's deeply flawed.

00:33:52.000 wanted a strong argument against Churchill.

00:33:54.000 And like you can easily, yeah, you can easily criticize him.

00:33:56.000 What I think was true, what is true in the critiques, Churchill did love war.

00:34:00.000 Like he found war exciting, kind of like life-giving in a weird way.

00:34:04.000 You know, and that's actually an understandable thing.

00:34:07.000 I thought I had when the COVID lockdowns hit, I was still at Fox with Tucker's show then,

00:34:13.000 and I remember having the feeling, and I recognize it was kind of a dark feeling at the time,

00:34:17.000 but like when lockdowns hit, I had the sense, this is bad, yet I found it really exciting

00:34:24.000 in the sense that I was in the midst of like a great historical event.

00:34:29.000 And our show was at the heart of that.

00:34:30.000 So like we could shape how that historical event unfolded.

00:34:33.000 Yeah, it felt exciting.

00:34:35.000 In the same way, I bet, for some people, elections are a big... Invading Iraq feels exciting. 1.00

00:34:39.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:34:40.000 Or, to use an example that's gonna happen anyway, the election.

00:34:43.000 Like, you know, I'm really amped up about the election.

00:34:46.000 We actually have a chance to shape things.

00:34:48.000 Yeah, like, this is like, you know, it's super momentous, the fate of the world might hinge on this election, and, you know, we get to play our marginal role in that, and that feels kind of amazing.

00:34:59.000 It makes it exciting to get up.

00:35:01.000 And Churchill admitted about this, like, oh yeah, I'm in this big war, that's exciting.

00:35:07.000 And I think you could also say he was probably prone to excesses that come from when you

00:35:14.000 get into the midst of war.

00:35:15.000 So one of the things he complains about is like, after Churchill takes office as prime

00:35:21.000 minister, Britain had not rounded up that many Germans in the country.

00:35:26.000 There were 60,000 Germans in Britain, I think, and they'd arrested 500 of them.

00:35:32.000 And after they lose in France, he says, yeah, we might have a spy problem.

00:35:35.000 Arrest everyone.

00:35:36.000 And they arrest every single German in Britain.

00:35:39.000 And so they freak out about this.

00:35:41.000 And they sent them to, guess what, Charlie?

00:35:43.000 They sent them to concentration camps.

00:35:46.000 Now, they pick this word very deliberately because we use concentration camps to describe what the Nazis did.

00:35:52.000 But there's an important difference.

00:35:54.000 The reason the Nazi concentration camps are bad is not because they concentrated people in a spot.

00:35:58.000 It's because they shot people, gassed people, hanged people, like, worked people to death, tortured people, did bizarre medical experiments.

00:36:08.000 They did evil stuff at their camps. 0.93

00:36:09.000 That's why they're bad.

00:36:10.000 It's not that you're in a camp.

00:36:13.000 Like, any prison is a concentration camp.

00:36:17.000 So yeah, okay, they arrested everyone, and then within a year, 90% of them had been released because they realized they overdid it.

00:36:24.000 And did he arrest Oswald Mosley, a, like, fascist British guy, without a trial?

00:36:30.000 Yeah, he did.

00:36:32.000 Should he have done that?

00:36:33.000 Probably not.

00:36:34.000 But in the grand scheme of the biggest war in the history of the world, Against a total genocidal lunatic who has conquered all of these countries and plunged the world into the abyss, why are you choosing to get butthurt about this?

00:36:53.000 And that's kind of why we're talking about this at length.

00:36:57.000 Yeah, I think the biggest one, by the way, though...

00:37:02.000 Maybe you were going to mention it, but that people do bring up, and I think it's fair, by the way, to talk about afterwards.

00:37:07.000 So we had the discussion a couple of weeks ago, after another Tucker interview, when he brought up the question of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki targeting civilian population centers.

00:37:20.000 And I think we also pointed out during that episode, and I'll bring it up here again, that yes, there were strategic bombing campaigns, area bombings, that were conducted over French cities and villages, German cities and villages, many cases that they knew, they knew were going to target civilian population centers, and this was done by the Allies, by the Americans and the British, and then of course to Japan as well, and so they were specifically done to break the morale, to break the backs of the people who

00:37:55.000 are fighting, to break their support.

00:37:57.000 And so this has been something that the Royal Air Force and others have, people have brought up.

00:38:02.000 Again, I'm just looking at the list here, Hamburg, Dresden, Cologne, etc. That this is a huge thing.

00:38:08.000 You know, civilians dying in war is, is always a question that would come up later in the Vietnam War with the use of actual firebombing, by the way, the use of napalm.

00:38:18.000 And so, you know, there are certainly things you can debate, right?

00:38:21.000 There are certainly things that we can sort of look back.

00:38:24.000 But again, like, you have to do that within the, you have to put it in its context.

00:38:29.000 That's all I'm saying.

00:38:30.000 You have to put it in its context of What you're pointing out here, that this was the most massive war that was ever waged in world history.

00:38:38.000 And it also, maybe a final point on this, it emphasizes the importance of wars naturally bring people to excess, it radicalizes people, it makes people desperate, it makes people get extreme, it builds up all of these severe grievances against people.

00:38:55.000 Yeah, it's like the Syrian Civil War.

00:38:56.000 The Syrian Civil War starts with the moderate rebels, and by the end it's ISIS and all these lunatics cutting people's heads off. 0.93

00:39:03.000 That's what war does. 0.61

00:39:04.000 And so that is why you should not do wars, and we should try to avoid war.

00:39:10.000 And in World War II, there is a person who was the aggressor.

00:39:14.000 throughout every single phase of the war and it wasn't Churchill it was Hitler 0.92

00:39:19.000 and this has relevance to today so people like you know the Gaza war that's

00:39:25.000 going on is there stuff where like oh you know people get where you know

00:39:28.000 civilians died that's bad and it's to be avoided but I think when you're going to 1.00

00:39:32.000 look for ultimate blame you have to look at who took a situation that was

00:39:37.000 peaceful and said this isn't good enough I'm going to smash it to bits and start this giant war.

00:39:43.000 And that's why we can say Hamas are clearly the biggest bad guys in Gaza, because there was a peaceful situation and they blew it to bits. 0.80

00:39:50.000 Similarly, who's the biggest villain in World War II?

00:39:53.000 It's Hitler! 0.92

00:39:54.000 Because on August 31st, 1939, there wasn't a World War II.

00:39:58.000 And the next day, World War II happened. 0.79

00:40:00.000 And who chose to make that happen?

00:40:02.000 A bad guy named Adolf Hitler. 0.99

00:40:04.000 A very evil person. 0.95

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00:41:08.000 Makes you wonder.

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00:41:09.000 Okay.

00:41:11.000 Do we want to go to debate prep, or do we want to go- Wait, wait.

00:41:13.000 Charlie, can I ask you one quick question on the last topic?

00:41:16.000 I realize, have you been to the Churchill War Rooms?

00:41:19.000 Uh, in Britain?

00:41:20.000 In London, yeah.

00:41:21.000 No, I have not.

00:41:22.000 They're really cool.

00:41:24.000 If you're into Churchill, or just history in general, you've gotta go.

00:41:29.000 Charlie, have you ever worn a bowler hat?

00:41:31.000 Have I ever worn a bowler hat?

00:41:33.000 Because Churchill did.

00:41:35.000 You like Gladiator movies, Charlie?

00:41:37.000 I love Gladiator.

00:41:40.000 So we could either talk, it's obviously the NFL is starting tonight, or we could talk about the debate on Tuesday.

00:41:40.000 I love Glenn.

00:41:49.000 So let's just ask a question.

00:41:50.000 Are you guys excited for the NFL season or is it just like too woke for you to watch?

00:41:53.000 I feel like I've, so I started off when I was a kid, I was a fanatical fan of the NFL and like I would cry when the Packers lost.

00:42:00.000 What year?

00:42:02.000 Oh, 2007, I think, was the one that really weighed on me.

00:42:06.000 That was when Brett Favre was still there.

00:42:07.000 Yeah, it was Brett Favre, and then he loses the last game on a pick, and I was all super sad about it.

00:42:12.000 He threw as many touchdowns as Interceptors.

00:42:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:42:16.000 I lived and died by this, and then when the Anthem protests started happening with Kaepernick around 2016... I disengaged.

00:42:22.000 I also did the same. 0.99

00:42:23.000 I thought, this is dumb. 0.97

00:42:25.000 I'm gonna prove that I'm not, like, ruled by cockball or whatever they started calling it then. 0.98

00:42:31.000 And so I actually had a whole year I didn't really watch it.

00:42:34.000 Me too.

00:42:35.000 And it helped, of course, the Packers were bad.

00:42:37.000 And now I think I'm in a healthy spot of football is a fun thing that I can watch, but it's sort of lame to care about it too much.

00:42:45.000 Brett Favre actually visited South Dakota in 2019.

00:42:48.000 I'm trying to get him on the show.

00:42:49.000 That'd be great.

00:42:52.000 But I saw, when I went there, just to finish the story, I went there and there were all these men who were like substantially older than me and they were still, it's Vikings fans here, so they were still really upset about that Vikings Saints game where Sean Payton had... That was terrible.

00:43:06.000 That was dirty, but...

00:43:08.000 That was the NFC Championship game, I think, right?

00:43:09.000 They were really angry about it.

00:43:11.000 Like, he does a Q&A, and these guys who are 45, 50 years old are livid.

00:43:15.000 And Farv himself, he's like, you know, I know Coach Payton.

00:43:18.000 I don't think he meant, you know, to hurt... I think he's a friend of mine.

00:43:23.000 I don't think he meant to hurt me, like, that bad.

00:43:25.000 And, you know, it's totally under the bridge.

00:43:27.000 And they're like, these guys are just seething over this, and just...

00:43:31.000 A sport where men throw a ball and are played millions of dollars to do it should not make you that angry.

00:43:38.000 But the Vikings never won a Super Bowl.

00:43:40.000 And they never will.

00:43:41.000 You think so?

00:43:42.000 Never.

00:43:44.000 Childhood me believe that, like, God in his heavens has decreed the Vikings will never win a Super Bowl.

00:43:50.000 And I still believe that.

00:43:52.000 15% of Blake takes are hilariously wrong when he's like, yeah, 2024 is going to be a boring year. 0.52

00:43:57.000 Trump gets shot.

00:43:58.000 Biden replaced.

00:44:00.000 We're not even done yet.

00:44:01.000 Yeah.

00:44:02.000 And Vikings will never win a Super Bowl is one of the 85% that are 100% correct.

00:44:06.000 If I'm not mistaken, the Cardinals never won a Super Bowl, right, Tyler?

00:44:10.000 Depends on not not not not not transfer. I'm in Arizona.

00:44:12.000 That's a bunch of yeah in Arizona. Okay?

00:44:14.000 No, you can't inherit the Super Bowl from Chicago. Well, it was yeah, I mean, yeah Chicago and the US st

00:44:19.000 Louis it was it was a super it was like they had a they have a BS title

00:44:23.000 They basically stole from the pot. It was the world champion. It was 1925

00:44:26.000 They didn't even have a title game in the Super Bowl best record and they didn't play the same number of games and

00:44:31.000 All these all that is the Super Bowl air they stole it from the Packers won the first one

00:44:36.000 The Packers won the first Super Bowl. You know my wife Erica is from the Lombardi family.

00:44:41.000 Is that right?

00:44:42.000 Yeah.

00:44:42.000 Seriously?

00:44:43.000 That's royal blood.

00:44:44.000 Her mom's a Lombardi. 0.64

00:44:45.000 That's crazy.

00:44:46.000 Isn't that insane?

00:44:46.000 That's royal blood.

00:44:47.000 Like, how close?

00:44:48.000 Like, is she... Like, direct bloodline.

00:44:50.000 Like, lineal descent from Vince?

00:44:51.000 Yeah.

00:44:52.000 Wow, that's crazy.

00:44:52.000 Yeah, we have all this Packers stuff at our house.

00:44:55.000 I didn't know that.

00:44:56.000 Whoa.

00:44:57.000 That's interesting.

00:44:57.000 Isn't that great?

00:44:58.000 And I'm from a huge Bears family, so I don't know.

00:44:58.000 That is wild.

00:45:00.000 Whoa.

00:45:01.000 Well, you know, the Bears have won a Super Bowl, but... 1985, best team ever assembled.

00:45:06.000 Yep, and they've... Prove me wrong.

00:45:08.000 Best NFL football team ever assembled.

00:45:11.000 You know, that might be true.

00:45:13.000 Yeah.

00:45:14.000 Thank you.

00:45:14.000 It might be true, and they didn't win another one.

00:45:16.000 They lost one game.

00:45:17.000 You know why they never won another one?

00:45:18.000 Jim McMahon?

00:45:20.000 Yeah, because Jim McMahon got body-slammed by a Psycho Packer.

00:45:23.000 Probably.

00:45:24.000 You know, that was disgraceful.

00:45:25.000 Even Jack agrees.

00:45:25.000 Jack agrees.

00:45:26.000 It was the greatest NFL team ever assembled.

00:45:27.000 85 Bears.

00:45:29.000 I actually have, in my 8th grade yearbook, I actually have a reference to the 85 Bears from, of course, my favorite Saturday Night Live sketch of all time.

00:45:40.000 Da Bears! 0.99

00:45:42.000 Yes, and the Bears, just to give you an idea of how crazy good the 85 Bears were, we have not won a Super Bowl in 40 years, and it's still the only thing that middle-aged, mildly overweight men in Chicago still talk about is the 85 Bears.

00:45:55.000 They're like, you'll remember when?

00:45:57.000 Go Bears!

00:45:58.000 Go Bears!

00:46:00.000 So, a coach with a certain name that starts with a D, ends with an A, and has Icky in the middle.

00:46:08.000 Yeah, I've got actually the Mike Dick sweater vest.

00:46:11.000 Oh, isn't that the best?

00:46:12.000 I have it in my closet.

00:46:13.000 So, the teams that I never won a Super Bowl, Arizona Cardinals, Falcons.

00:46:17.000 By the way, the Falcons ties into our previous topic.

00:46:20.000 Can you talk about that?

00:46:22.000 What if the Patriots just would have surrendered at halftime?

00:46:25.000 He's just like, why doesn't Churchill give up?

00:46:28.000 Churchill didn't have a way to win.

00:46:29.000 I can imagine the Falcons ceding.

00:46:32.000 You're just like, why didn't Bill Belichick... It was 28-3.

00:46:36.000 That still was the greatest comeback ever.

00:46:36.000 It was 28-3.

00:46:38.000 No one's ever come back that amount.

00:46:40.000 You're supposed to not... You have to make... They were offering them to shut it down.

00:46:44.000 Alright, so I have a good question for the group.

00:46:46.000 Let me list this, okay?

00:46:47.000 Cardinals, Falcons, Bills, Panthers, Bengals, Browns, Lions, Texans, Jaguars, Chargers, Vikings, Titans.

00:46:53.000 Of that list, who will be the first one to win a Super Bowl?

00:46:56.000 They've never won a Super Bowl before.

00:46:57.000 Bengals.

00:46:59.000 They lost a couple years ago.

00:47:00.000 They have Joe Burrow.

00:47:01.000 In the current structure, in the current composition of the teams, probably the Bengals are the best chance.

00:47:07.000 I haven't looked at the... I think the Lions.

00:47:10.000 I think Coach Dan... That's his name, right?

00:47:10.000 I'm going to say Lions.

00:47:14.000 He always looks like he's ready to fight somebody.

00:47:15.000 That guy, he seems to like... They're true believers in him.

00:47:18.000 He seems like a good coach.

00:47:19.000 I think the Lions could win it all this year.

00:47:21.000 They have such momentum that I think they're ready to break the curse.

00:47:25.000 Their offensive coordinator was offered a head coaching job and he said... So Lions and then Bengals right after the Lions.

00:47:32.000 So Lions is plus 1,200.

00:47:34.000 Chiefs is number one, aren't they?

00:47:35.000 Well, I'm talking about the teams you just listed.

00:47:38.000 Lions, Bengals, Bills.

00:47:42.000 Bills are losing their edge, man.

00:47:43.000 They had so many chances.

00:47:45.000 Josh Allen is too far of Esk, I think, for modern NFL.

00:47:48.000 Are the Texans on that list?

00:47:48.000 And the Texans?

00:47:50.000 Yeah, they never won.

00:47:51.000 Yeah, the Texans used to be the Oilers.

00:47:54.000 The Oilers are now the Tennessee Titans.

00:47:56.000 The other team, along with the Vikings, that will never win is the Cleveland Browns.

00:48:03.000 They have one.

00:48:03.000 No, they have one.

00:48:04.000 You're right.

00:48:05.000 They've never even been to one.

00:48:06.000 But this is the order right now.

00:48:08.000 I don't think Vikings have ever been to one.

00:48:09.000 No, they've been to four.

00:48:10.000 Vikings have been to four and lost every single one.

00:48:14.000 No, it's not as bad as the Bills who lost five in a row.

00:48:16.000 Four in a row.

00:48:18.000 Four in a row.

00:48:18.000 Can you imagine?

00:48:19.000 It's Chiefs, 49ers, Ravens, Eagles, Lions, Bengals, Bills, Texans, Packers.

00:48:25.000 And you know what's great about being a Packer fan, by the way?

00:48:28.000 We're like the only team that's not subject to this extremely terrible NFL policy that they're gonna let private equity buy stakes in teams.

00:48:35.000 Are you an owner?

00:48:36.000 Uh, no. 0.99

00:48:37.000 I'm not dumb enough. 0.93

00:48:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.96

00:48:39.000 No, one of our staff member owns.

00:48:40.000 Yeah, but, okay.

00:48:42.000 Don't insult this model.

00:48:43.000 Look, it is cool that the Packers are publicly owned, but owning a piece of Packers stock, if you are not one of the OG people from the 60s, is a scam.

00:48:52.000 No, it's not!

00:48:53.000 You get tickets!

00:48:54.000 You don't get tickets?

00:48:55.000 You get into the lottery for tickets.

00:48:56.000 I think you have to.

00:48:57.000 You can get into the lottery for tickets just without being an owner.

00:49:00.000 Yeah, if you want to pay like three times markup.

00:49:02.000 And in any case, the waiting list is now so long that if you register your child, maybe their child will be able to get it after they die.

00:49:08.000 I think it's amazing.

00:49:08.000 That's so cool.

00:49:09.000 That this like very small, moderate, like boring Midwestern town has this powerhouse NFL team.

00:49:16.000 The only right you get from buying Packer Stock, the only right you get is you get to go to the shareholder meeting, which is in Lambeau Field.

00:49:22.000 It's amazing!

00:49:23.000 And they all vote!

00:49:24.000 Okay, that's cool.

00:49:25.000 It's cool!

00:49:25.000 But you don't have real voting power.

00:49:27.000 Actual controlling voting power is with the people from the 50s and 60s.

00:49:30.000 Yeah, but it's politics.

00:49:31.000 It's democracy.

00:49:32.000 You know they used to play Milwaukee?

00:49:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:34.000 Milwaukee game.

00:49:35.000 And they have green and yellow days?

00:49:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:38.000 Do you know that they have green and yellow days where the green is all the rurals and the yellows are, I might get mixed up, but like all the ticket holders in Milwaukee have yellow holding days and green ones.

00:49:47.000 And so when it's like Milwaukee, it's all a bunch of libs that go up and then it's green.

00:49:50.000 It's like all Trump country.

00:49:52.000 Since you're a Bears fan, you might not know this.

00:49:54.000 Did you know that teams are allowed to like be good for more than one season in their history?

00:49:58.000 For the record, we were in a Super Bowl against the Indianapolis Colts in 2008, I think.

00:50:05.000 2006 season, so I think 7 would be the year it happened.

00:50:10.000 No, I think the Super Bowl would have been 2000.

00:50:13.000 Can you guys check me?

00:50:14.000 It's the 2006 season for sure.

00:50:17.000 2007 is when the Patriots go 18-1.

00:50:18.000 I would put money on this.

00:50:20.000 I will put money on this.

00:50:20.000 It's not 7.

00:50:21.000 February 2008.

00:50:21.000 I'm going to put money on it.

00:50:22.000 2007, $100.

00:50:22.000 That was the Cardinals.

00:50:23.000 it was it was it if you were a star dollar that we're at it doesn't it

00:50:26.000 of now that the money i was in seven hundred dollars as i was

00:50:29.000 two dozen other cardinals and steelers check it out

00:50:33.000 That was 2008 season, 2009 Super Bowl.

00:50:34.000 No, no, no.

00:50:34.000 It's the Super Bowl happened in February 2008.

00:50:36.000 Check it.

00:50:37.000 Oh.

00:50:38.000 Check it.

00:50:39.000 Super Bowl... 2008.

00:50:41.000 Blake's gonna owe me $100.

00:50:44.000 I just looked at this.

00:50:44.000 I'm pretty sure.

00:50:45.000 Sunday, 2008.

00:50:46.000 It was... On February 4th, 2007, the Indianapolis Colts defeated the Chicago Bears 29-7.

00:50:53.000 Are you sure it was 2007?

00:50:55.000 2008 was in Arizona.

00:50:56.000 Super Bowl 41.

00:50:56.000 Look it up.

00:50:57.000 2008 was Arizona.

00:50:58.000 That was the crazy game.

00:51:00.000 Patriots and Giants.

00:51:01.000 I'm pretty sure it was 2008.

00:51:01.000 No, that was the Patriots and Giants crazy game.

00:51:04.000 That was the perfect Patriots year, I think, right?

00:51:05.000 Sadly, I have encyclopedic knowledge of this period of NFL history.

00:51:09.000 No, that's all fake.

00:51:09.000 It's all been rewritten.

00:51:11.000 It's an alternate timeline.

00:51:13.000 It was 07.

00:51:14.000 That's going to ruin my whole day.

00:51:16.000 I can't interview JD.

00:51:17.000 I'm done.

00:51:19.000 Everything's ruined.

00:51:21.000 Man, J.D.

00:51:22.000 Vance must be a Bengals fan.

00:51:23.000 That has to be hard.

00:51:24.000 What NFL team do you hate the most?

00:51:26.000 Oh, Vikings easily.

00:51:27.000 Dallas Cowboys.

00:51:28.000 Oh yeah, you know what?

00:51:29.000 Cowboys are so easy to hate.

00:51:31.000 It's not even close.

00:51:32.000 Why is every Cowboys fan like a 5'6 Mexican with long jean shorts? 1.00

00:51:37.000 No, that's not true.

00:51:38.000 The interesting thing with the Cowboys is they are very national-like.

00:51:44.000 Well, there's an explanation, actually, reasonably for this.

00:51:46.000 It's the same thing with the Dodgers.

00:51:49.000 They're like the America's team, right?

00:51:50.000 I've heard Mexico likes the Steelers a lot.

00:51:52.000 No, because there was, for a long time in American history, there was a massive gap between, basically, Texas and California.

00:52:04.000 The Cowboys gobbled up basically all of Western United States until California. 0.89

00:52:08.000 Because there were no football teams, even in California, that were long-standing and well-respected.

00:52:14.000 So all of Western United States, basically the Cowboys were your team.

00:52:19.000 Before those other teams came into existence.

00:52:20.000 That makes sense.

00:52:21.000 Also, they had such a run in the 90s that it just became America's team.

00:52:25.000 But before that, my dad's a Cowboys fan.

00:52:27.000 What?

00:52:28.000 Everybody that lived in Arizona was a Cowboys fan by default.

00:52:30.000 Austin's entire family.

00:52:32.000 Everybody that lived in Arizona was a Cowboys fan by default.

00:52:35.000 So the Titans, the Vikings, you hate the Vikings?

00:52:40.000 The Vikings are just sort of...

00:52:42.000 So you hate the Vikings more than the Bears?

00:52:44.000 Yeah, so the thing is, the Vikings are more consistently competitive than the Bears, and they're also just kind of a fun butt monkey to make fun of because their history- like, you can make, and in fact they did make, like an eight-part documentary series on the Vikings' many failures.

00:53:00.000 The Bears is just like, oh, here's their 87th quarterback of the last three seasons.

00:53:05.000 Kyle Orton.

00:53:06.000 Jay Cutler.

00:53:06.000 And they're like, oh, Jay Cutler just managed to throw the ball for 3,200 yards and 12 touchdowns, thereby cementing the greatest offensive season by any Bears quarterback in history.

00:53:17.000 Do you think, so of this list, Lions, I agree.

00:53:22.000 The bills are losing it.

00:53:24.000 The Falcons, man, that's such a sad story, isn't it?

00:53:27.000 Well, it depends on your point of view.

00:53:28.000 Like, the Falcons—so, remember— I mean, I don't hate the Falcons.

00:53:30.000 You hate the Falcons.

00:53:31.000 I don't hate the Falcons, but I will be appreciative that in the 2017 Super Bowl—this is right

00:53:36.000 after the 2016 election—the media basically decided that the Falcons were the Lib America

00:53:42.000 team because they represented Atlanta.

00:53:44.000 Yes.

00:53:45.000 They were like, you know, the blue city in a red state.

00:53:48.000 That's why I was cheering for the Patriots.

00:53:50.000 And they kind of made it a race thing.

00:53:52.000 It was very weird.

00:53:53.000 And then the Patriots were the white team. 0.53

00:53:55.000 It was very bizarre.

00:53:56.000 Even though they're from Massachusetts.

00:53:57.000 Yeah, so they're from this blue state.

00:53:58.000 But on the other hand, Belichick wrote a letter endorsing Trump.

00:54:02.000 That was private.

00:54:03.000 And then I just love this story that the Trump campaign asks him, can we release this?

00:54:07.000 And he's like, oh, you want to release it?

00:54:08.000 Here, let me rewrite the letter to be more effusively positive. 0.99

00:54:14.000 Like, I didn't want to suck up too much in private, but I'm going to suck up to the max in public. 0.98

00:54:17.000 That's so funny. 0.99

00:54:19.000 It's such a great story.

00:54:20.000 I was there when Trump first read the letter at the New Hampshire rally the day before the election.

00:54:24.000 I was traveling with Trump that night.

00:54:26.000 We almost won!

00:54:27.000 And he just got on Instagram.

00:54:29.000 I'll never forget that.

00:54:31.000 That was amazing.

00:54:33.000 The moment I realized it could happen, there were two things that will always stick out with me.

00:54:36.000 My friend who was doing poll watching in New Hampshire just tells me,

00:54:40.000 Blake, we're getting these random hunters from rural New Hampshire who haven't voted in 12 years,

00:54:48.000 and they're coming out, and a lot of them are coming out.

00:54:50.000 I remember that.

00:54:51.000 And then I also remember seeing Ross Douthat tweeting.

00:54:54.000 This was like at the exact moment her odds peaked on the New York Times dial for Hillary.

00:54:58.000 And he's just like, you know, I'm looking at the map guys and I just don't... Florida doesn't seem that bad.

00:55:02.000 Like it seems like the rural numbers are really good.

00:55:04.000 And that's the exact moment it just starts swerving the other way.

00:55:07.000 Always remember it.

00:55:08.000 So you can find my tweet.

00:55:11.000 I owe Blake $100, which I will pay.

00:55:13.000 And then I will give somebody $25 if they can find my tweet from 2016 of my day before election tweet that I predict my prediction.

00:55:24.000 If you could find it.

00:55:25.000 No one ever gives me credit for this.

00:55:28.000 I predicted the day before the election.

00:55:29.000 Do you remember this?

00:55:30.000 And I got so much hate the day before.

00:55:33.000 Because I was traveling with the campaign and I was like, I think Trump's gonna win.

00:55:40.000 I think he's gonna win Michigan.

00:55:41.000 And people came after me.

00:55:42.000 And I put it, by the way, in writing.

00:55:44.000 Published the tweet.

00:55:45.000 I've got it.

00:55:45.000 November 7th, 2016.

00:55:46.000 Final prediction.

00:55:46.000 I owed Blake $125.

00:55:51.000 This is great.

00:55:52.000 This is one of my better days.

00:55:53.000 Yeah, that's really impressive.

00:55:54.000 Final prediction, Michigan going red.

00:55:57.000 Bold, but it could happen.

00:55:58.000 You heard it here first.

00:56:00.000 And then, you know what you also did?

00:56:01.000 You predicted that Wisconsin and Pennsylvania would be blue.

00:56:04.000 Go blue.

00:56:04.000 I know.

00:56:05.000 You didn't believe enough, Charlie.

00:56:06.000 I didn't get the whole map right, but I did call Michigan. 1.00

00:56:08.000 You're a traitor. 1.00

00:56:09.000 You abandoned Trump. 1.00

00:56:10.000 I called Michigan, though.

00:56:12.000 That's pretty legit, though.

00:56:13.000 Yeah, I think I called Michigan, too.

00:56:16.000 I think my final map, we had a contest at the Daily Caller, and I got very close to the actual electoral vote total, but I was off in the states.

00:56:24.000 I gave him Michigan.

00:56:25.000 I think I did Michigan, New Hampshire, Nevada.

00:56:27.000 So my map is almost the same as yours, but I had Nevada, too.

00:56:30.000 I've got to get Blake on an autopay of Venmo at this point.

00:56:34.000 So NFL season, who do you guys think is going to win the Super Bowl?

00:56:39.000 I'm going to be cheering for and pulling for the Lions.

00:56:42.000 I agree.

00:56:43.000 I think Lions are great.

00:56:44.000 You've given up on the Bears already?

00:56:46.000 Look, it's fruitless at this point.

00:56:48.000 I mean, we're going to be disappointed.

00:56:49.000 Caleb Williams is going to tear his ACL in the third week.

00:56:52.000 Is disappointed the word you want to go for here?

00:56:54.000 Was there hope?

00:56:57.000 Not really.

00:56:58.000 Have you had hope since Brian Urlacher retired?

00:57:00.000 I like him, actually.

00:57:02.000 He's such a sweet guy.

00:57:02.000 He's super conservative.

00:57:03.000 He lives in Arizona, by the way.

00:57:04.000 He's really right-wing.

00:57:08.000 I'm hoping that the Bears actually have a surprise season.

00:57:10.000 Football is better when the Bears are good.

00:57:14.000 Because, first of all, they're one of the most loved franchises, and you have one of America's biggest cities just on fire.

00:57:19.000 We've just been this dormant football beast for the last 20 years.

00:57:24.000 You want that! 1.00

00:57:25.000 I mean, enough of this.

00:57:26.000 By the way, Kansas City, OK, there's only so much population base there.

00:57:29.000 It's the same 100,000 people that go to the games.

00:57:32.000 OK, great, fine, terrific.

00:57:35.000 The teams I want to see suffer, Dallas Cowboys cannot stand them.

00:57:40.000 Don't sleep on the Dolphins, by the way.

00:57:42.000 I think the Dolphins are going to be really good.

00:57:43.000 Dolphins put up 70 on a team last year.

00:57:45.000 That was amazing.

00:57:46.000 Tua Tagovaiola is the real deal.

00:57:48.000 I'm telling you, that guy can ball.

00:57:50.000 I could not have pronounced that name.

00:57:52.000 I'm telling you, C.J.

00:57:53.000 Stroud, the Houston Texans, if he stays healthy, will be one of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history.

00:57:59.000 Texans are going to be good.

00:58:00.000 I'm really pulling that the Cardinals figure it out this year.

00:58:03.000 I think.

00:58:03.000 No, they got to get rid of Kyler Murray.

00:58:04.000 I think we're going to see.

00:58:06.000 We're going to see.

00:58:07.000 We're going to see.

00:58:08.000 Marvin Harrison Jr.

00:58:09.000 could be special.

00:58:10.000 He's legit.

00:58:10.000 They should sign him for a 20 year contract.

00:58:12.000 Could be special.

00:58:12.000 He's really good.

00:58:13.000 It was a good.

00:58:14.000 It was a good.

00:58:14.000 Kyler Murray's the most overpaid, overrated person.

00:58:17.000 We also have some good other guys.

00:58:19.000 Our tight end, Trey McBride, I think is going to be really good.

00:58:21.000 So we'll see.

00:58:21.000 I'm pulling for the Cardinals.

00:58:23.000 Oh, and I'm pulling for the Broncos to go 500.

00:58:25.000 Bo Nix.

00:58:26.000 Yep.

00:58:27.000 Bo Nix.

00:58:27.000 Think of the other teams I hate.

00:58:29.000 Oh, I want the New York Jets to do well?

00:58:30.000 I have more teams I'm cheering for than I'm at.

00:58:32.000 Jack is saying we should each do a quick map prediction of the election if we want.

00:58:37.000 No, we're not doing that.

00:58:40.000 Jack, you've been quiet for some time.

00:58:41.000 How are the Eagles doing?

00:58:43.000 Well, so the Eagles lately, the biggest thing this week was this whole thing with the Kamala Harris ad, like the fake, they claimed was a fake ad that went up.

00:58:52.000 I don't know if we have the image saying that Kamala Harris is the official candidate of the Philadelphia Eagles.

00:58:58.000 And this was going up at at least one bus station in, right in like center city Philadelphia.

00:59:04.000 And it had the website on it.

00:59:07.000 I think it was like philadelphiaeagles.com slash vote.

00:59:10.000 And I had a picture, sort of like animated picture of Kamala Harris in an Eagles jersey, in an Eagles helmet.

00:59:17.000 And the Eagles put out the statement saying, oh, well, you know, it's, it's, it's not her, it's not going to be her, etc.

00:59:24.000 This is not approved.

00:59:25.000 But then there was a guy who, and we got it, what was his name, the mole, he was Christian Molar, who said in the comments, because so this other guy who is a Trump supporter from Philly, went over and started like plastering over the Eagle over this, this Quote-unquote fake ad and then Christian Molar a Twitter user and You know shout out to Laura Loomer for catching this by the way that said in the comments How dare this guy cover up an official ad or cover up an ad like this?

00:59:55.000 And if you don't like it, that's too bad and people are like wait who's this guy saying it's a real ad and it turns out that he was the the director of team relationships for the Eagles and actually worked at the Eagles for like a 25 years. So as someone who would be very well within the

01:00:11.000 know of actually knowing whether or not this was a real ad. So he's subsequently locked his

01:00:17.000 Twitter account and it's become this sort of like whole firestorm as to whether or not this

01:00:22.000 guy had potentially actually approved whatever this thing is to go up. I have no sympathy for the

01:00:28.000 Eagles and I hope they lose every game and that they sell their franchise for parts. You want to

01:00:35.000 bring back the Steagals? 0.93

01:00:37.000 Do you know about this story?

01:00:38.000 I don't know.

01:00:39.000 I think the Eagles might be one of my most hated franchises.

01:00:44.000 No offense, Jack.

01:00:44.000 In World War II, due to budget shortages, the Eagles and the Steelers temporarily merged into one team that they called the Steagals.

01:00:53.000 It was an all-Pennsylvania team, yeah.

01:00:56.000 I think it's more the fans than it is the actual...

01:01:01.000 No, I know.

01:01:01.000 The fans are so aggressive.

01:01:03.000 But this Kamala thing this week, I want to get answers.

01:01:05.000 I need answers from Jack.

01:01:07.000 Jack should not... Again, by the way, if people want an understanding of who Pasovic is, just understand that I grew up as a Philadelphia sports fan.

01:01:18.000 So that should just be your explanation.

01:01:20.000 Jack, I need answers on this Kamala ad.

01:01:21.000 Why is he so aggressive?

01:01:23.000 I need answers on this Kamala ad, who produced it, how it got out there.

01:01:27.000 This is going to go down like the pipe bombs in Washington, D.C.

01:01:29.000 The RNC pipe bomber.

01:01:31.000 So we're tracking down.

01:01:32.000 I've already got I've already got people that are looking into this guy's family because it turns out that this Christian Molnar guy is also from Norristown, Pennsylvania, which is the exact same town that I'm from just outside Philly.

01:01:43.000 So we're tracking him down.

01:01:45.000 Christian Molnar, stay tuned.

01:01:46.000 You don't know who's going to be reaching out on Facebook.

01:01:49.000 Could be one of Posto's people.

01:01:51.000 Uh oh.

01:01:52.000 John Fetterman was right all along.

01:01:53.000 Play cut 80.

01:01:58.000 Every time I hear the Eagles, I think of them.

01:02:05.000 I don't get how they couldn't just make him like, that's clearly the smartest Eagles fan in human history.

01:02:10.000 So they should have made him like the head coach or something.

01:02:12.000 No, he should be the official candidate of the Philadelphia Eagles.

01:02:14.000 It should be Fetterman, official candidate of the Philadelphia Eagles.

01:02:19.000 He's not even from, like, the Eagles part of Pennsylvania.

01:02:22.000 That's what's so disingenuous.

01:02:24.000 He's from decidedly sealers territory. 1.00

01:02:26.000 So help me just really quick as we wrap up here.

01:02:29.000 Blake, I think the NFL is kind of getting its mojo back.

01:02:32.000 It's a thing now that has a lot of dominance.

01:02:34.000 It has more chatter.

01:02:35.000 Would you agree?

01:02:36.000 It really took a nosedive in 2020 and people thought, like, oh, football's going down.

01:02:41.000 It feels bigger than ever.

01:02:43.000 It really is.

01:02:44.000 The NFL is like It's like state-run religion at this point.

01:02:48.000 Football is just the perfect sport.

01:02:49.000 It really is.

01:02:50.000 So it's like unkillable.

01:02:53.000 But am I right?

01:02:53.000 It's like bigger than ever.

01:02:54.000 The only way they can screw it up, frankly, is I think if they just get too greedy.

01:02:58.000 Like, they keep wanting to add more games on more days.

01:03:03.000 Or Brazil.

01:03:03.000 Or like, what are you doing?

01:03:04.000 I don't mind the Brazil thing.

01:03:06.000 You know, you do one game here.

01:03:07.000 Like, have every team do one game overseas while you've got this 17-game season.

01:03:11.000 So then everyone's 8-8 and then one international game.

01:03:14.000 I think that's fine.

01:03:15.000 But I think where they're really kind of taking risks are, you'll see a few things.

01:03:21.000 One, they'll try to put games on too many days.

01:03:24.000 And kind of one of the things the NFL has is they've just basically made Sunday, like, you know... There's only two days without games.

01:03:30.000 Tuesday and Wednesday are the only days without games.

01:03:33.000 Yeah, well, yeah, now.

01:03:34.000 And it's making it worse and worse.

01:03:35.000 We have a Friday game now?

01:03:36.000 Like, it should just be... We have a Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

01:03:39.000 You go to church, you go watch football, or you just watch football, you know, depending on your point of view.

01:03:44.000 And then there's a Monday night game if you're an obsessive.

01:03:46.000 And they, them colonizing that one day a week actually is like the perfect level of dominance without it drowning everything out.

01:03:52.000 And the other thing is the NFL is the last thing that's on normal television. 0.94

01:03:58.000 And where I could see them screwing up the Golden Goose is they let a bunch of games go on Peacock, or Amazon Prime or Netflix or something stupid like that. 0.76

01:04:12.000 And suddenly, too many NFL games are on some bullcrap subscription service that you have 0.95

01:04:17.000 to buy rather than just on normal TV.

01:04:20.000 And I think that's how you ruin it.

01:04:21.000 You make the NFL too exclusive.

01:04:24.000 The tickets are already really expensive.

01:04:26.000 Like, you never really go to an NFL game anymore unless you just love setting tickets on fire.

01:04:31.000 Or setting money on fire.

01:04:33.000 And I think that is the long-term hazard.

01:04:35.000 But the actual sport is so good.

01:04:38.000 They got through the political, harrowing period.

01:04:41.000 You can actually have a right-wing player again, and it's not the end of the flipping world.

01:04:48.000 They survived all of that.

01:04:49.000 They have pretty likable stars.

01:04:53.000 I feel like players even get arrested a bit less than they used to.

01:04:56.000 Progress!

01:05:00.000 And also, college football is screwing it up.

01:05:02.000 Sorry, Charlie.

01:05:02.000 I've got bad news.

01:05:03.000 College football is dumb now. 0.99

01:05:06.000 No, it's not. 0.99

01:05:07.000 College football is better than ever.

01:05:08.000 I just don't get the whole, like, oh, the great amateur sportsmanship when every single player is this mercenary for hire on a one-year contract for whatever booster will pay them the most.

01:05:17.000 It was an inevitable thing.

01:05:19.000 There's no other way to do college football in the modern social media era and with the Supreme Court decision.

01:05:24.000 We should just- Blame the Supreme Court, Blake.

01:05:26.000 Blame the Supreme Court.

01:05:27.000 I just- With name image likenesses, there's no other way to do it.

01:05:29.000 I'm gonna make people really mad.

01:05:30.000 I just- I think college football has outlived its usefulness.

01:05:33.000 It's now- Now it mainly exists to be like, we can't fix our schools because then it would screw up the heckin' football team, man.

01:05:39.000 That's been that way for 20 years.

01:05:41.000 But it's worse-er now.

01:05:43.000 Much worse-er.

01:05:44.000 Is that a word, worse-er?

01:05:45.000 It is now.

01:05:45.000 I was gonna say, the Dartmouth grad is using good grammar.

01:05:48.000 It's probably a word, though.

01:05:49.000 We have to go.

01:05:51.000 Thank you, guys.

01:05:52.000 So, final Super Bowl picks.

01:05:53.000 I think the Bears will not win.

01:05:56.000 I want the Lions to win.

01:05:58.000 Blake?

01:05:59.000 I'm gonna go total Homer.

01:06:00.000 Jordan Love's gonna pull it all together.

01:06:03.000 He's overrated.

01:06:03.000 We'll get our one Super Bowl win that we get with each of our Hall of Fame quarterbacks, and then he'll be the quarterback for the next 18 years, and then he'll go play on the Jets for a year, and then the Vikings.

01:06:12.000 Tyler.

01:06:14.000 Oh man, I would love to see a Lions-Jets Super Bowl.

01:06:18.000 Man, if we could live through something like that.

01:06:19.000 The Jets are not that good though.

01:06:20.000 I understand, but just like some miraculous thing happens.

01:06:25.000 Is Aaron Rodgers going to play on Monday?

01:06:27.000 Yeah!

01:06:28.000 Are you sure?

01:06:28.000 That's what I'm told.

01:06:29.000 He'll play on Monday, and they're playing the Niners.

01:06:31.000 I don't think that's been confirmed yet.

01:06:32.000 They're playing the Niners, and the guy who injured him in the first game last year is now on the Niners.

01:06:39.000 How funny would that be?

01:06:40.000 Are you kidding me?

01:06:40.000 I believe it's the Niners they're playing.

01:06:42.000 But whoever it is, the player who injured him is on the opposing team again.

01:06:45.000 A Lions Jet Super Bowl would be great for America. 0.79

01:06:47.000 Did he play in any preseason games?

01:06:49.000 No, but he didn't play in preseason in Green Bay either.

01:06:52.000 Rodgers doesn't like playing.

01:06:54.000 Yes, he does.

01:06:54.000 He's such a baller.

01:06:55.000 I want to meet that guy.

01:06:57.000 I want to be like, Darren Broad is on my list of someone I want to be friends with.

01:06:59.000 Even though I hear he's a really bad person.

01:07:02.000 If he just comes, all you have to do is when he shows up, you say, you know, you're shorter than I expected.

01:07:06.000 And he gets like really butthurt about this if you say that.

01:07:09.000 Is he shorter?

01:07:09.000 Is he not that tall?

01:07:10.000 He's actually pretty, he's like 6'3 or something, but people kind of sometimes expect these NFL players to just be gigantic.

01:07:15.000 And, you know, he's not like a super, he's not a linebacker.

01:07:18.000 Well, the internet says he's 6'2.

01:07:19.000 I understand.

01:07:20.000 By the way, did they fix my height yet on Wikipedia?

01:07:22.000 What is it?

01:07:22.000 They did!

01:07:25.000 That's amazing.

01:07:26.000 Our PR campaign worked.

01:07:27.000 Isn't that hilarious?

01:07:32.000 We ridiculed them.

01:07:33.000 That is so funny.

01:07:34.000 What did they say you were?

01:07:35.000 They said I was 6'1", and now they say I'm 6'5".

01:07:40.000 That is so funny.

01:07:40.000 Alright.

01:07:40.000 We're all very happy for you.

01:07:41.000 Jack, you want the Eagles to win?

01:07:44.000 Birds!

01:07:44.000 Birds all the way, Green Gang.

01:07:46.000 But of course, I do also have to say, let's get back to our scenario time, folks.

01:07:51.000 Bears versus the assembled choir of heavenly angels.

01:07:54.000 The whole choir?

01:07:55.000 Yeah, you know, the styrofoam, the jarfoam, the whole nine yards.

01:07:58.000 Angels.

01:07:59.000 Angels, but it's close.

01:08:01.000 And then they cut to Chris Farley, and he's got that giant stein of beer, and he's just like, Bears!

01:08:07.000 Da Bears.

01:08:09.000 We'll see what Kayla Williams is made of. 1.00

01:08:11.000 Not Super Bowl.

01:08:13.000 In the next decade, Bo Nix will win a Super Bowl.

01:08:16.000 God bless, guys.

01:08:17.000 See you soon.

01:08:18.000 Enjoy the NFL.

01:08:19.000 America's better when sports are on TV.

01:08:21.000 Talk to you soon.

01:08:22.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:08:23.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:08:25.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - September 07, 2024

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 56 — Was Churchill Bad? + Worst Team In Football?

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