The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 57 — Did Diddy Do It? Vance Debate Strat? New York Times Smell Ban?

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

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00:01:17.000 Okay, everybody.

00:01:18.000 Happy Thought Crime Thursday, brought to you by NPR.

00:01:22.000 I'm kidding.

00:01:23.000 My voice is still recovering, but it's getting better, right Blake?

00:01:25.000 The voice is softer, but the crimes are harder.

00:01:27.000 That's right.

00:01:28.000 Andrew and Jack are here with us.

00:01:30.000 I am thankful and blessed that I can talk, because Jack, remember last week in Penn State?

00:01:36.000 It was bad.

00:01:39.000 So, so Charlie hits me up and is like, Jack, I need you to come to Penn State because I can't talk.

00:01:45.000 So I'm like, okay, I'll give you a call.

00:01:47.000 So I give him a call.

00:01:48.000 And then and then Charlie hangs up the phone.

00:01:50.000 I try to call back.

00:01:51.000 Charlie hangs up the phone and texts back.

00:01:52.000 He goes, Jack, did you read my text?

00:01:55.000 I literally can't talk.

00:01:57.000 I can So the entire time we do the event, Charlie's using like, you know, the note like the notes app on your iPhone.

00:02:06.000 That's how he's using.

00:02:08.000 He's using that to communicate.

00:02:09.000 So I was joking that if he didn't have his voice back in time for thought crime that we should do like we should get Charlie like an easel and we could do we could do thought crime charades where Charlie is just correct.

00:02:20.000 So he's trying to communicate with us through through like what like what time does the event start?

00:02:25.000 He's like pointing to his wrist and stuff.

00:02:26.000 It was amazing.

00:02:29.000 Jack, you bailed me out last week, and thank you.

00:02:31.000 Jack Posobit's a good man, and he was there on two instances in two states, and we'll tell you that story at a different time.

00:02:38.000 But thank you, Jack.

00:02:39.000 I am grateful, and that's why we didn't have a show last week, by the way.

00:02:42.000 So we apologize.

00:02:43.000 It's hard to have a show when you can't talk.

00:02:45.000 Well, you know, I was having the thought.

00:02:47.000 One, the easel idea is great.

00:02:48.000 It'd be like, you know, Gospel of Luke.

00:02:49.000 You just got the thing.

00:02:50.000 You gotta write it, like, spacing on his name.

00:02:53.000 But then the other thing is, you talk enough publicly.

00:02:59.000 We could probably get an AI model of your voice and you could just type what you want to say and it would sound like Charlie.

00:03:05.000 AI Charlie's not yet great.

00:03:08.000 Meaning I could tell it's fake.

00:03:10.000 Well, you could tell it's fake.

00:03:13.000 The timber is slightly off.

00:03:16.000 Eventually it'll probably be there.

00:03:17.000 The A.I.

00:03:17.000 Tuckers are getting really good.

00:03:18.000 I heard a really good one where it's Tucker saying why he's interviewing Hannibal, the ancient Carthaginian general, as a Roman.

00:03:26.000 And that was a pretty good one.

00:03:27.000 He brought the elephants over the mountains, right?

00:03:29.000 Yes, yes he did.

00:03:31.000 I know a little bit.

00:03:35.000 There was even a question about um if uh so when Bannon went to prison there was a thing about that where they were saying well so could you just do war room episodes by creating an AI Bannon and then have it like you know plug in plug in like 15 articles every day and just come up with Bannon's response to that for four hours a day But as everybody knows, Steve is completely anti-AI and won't even allow like, you know, AI memes or AI songs to be played on War Room.

00:04:07.000 So he, uh, I asked him at once and he almost threw me out a window.

00:04:11.000 So, so guys, I have to, we have to play this clip, which is even more funny based on what Jack and Charlie just told us.

00:04:21.000 images went viral everywhere and I mean it was like all over the internet that day but what's

00:04:28.000 hilarious is that people were making memes of of like some of the trump chants that you got into

00:04:33.000 charlie but if you look closely and now that you know that charlie had no voice you could actually

00:04:38.000 see him chanting along and he's not saying anything it's just but like it plays very

00:04:44.000 well on the internet but play 116.

00:04:57.000 I was doing this.

00:05:07.000 You can totally tell, and I know you well enough, Charlie, to know that you weren't actually saying anything.

00:05:14.000 But it's fine.

00:05:15.000 It looked really good, and all the students had your back, and they were chanting.

00:05:18.000 And Jack was right behind you, by the way, in that clip.

00:05:21.000 But that was from eldonaldotrumpo, one of the must-follows on Twitter.

00:05:25.000 He posted it up.

00:05:26.000 But Penn State was insane.

00:05:28.000 We should actually play some of these videos from today's event, or it would be yesterday's event.

00:05:34.000 Yeah, this one was remarkable.

00:05:37.000 We just helped summarize that and we had thousands of people.

00:05:43.000 It was a hundred and seven degrees.

00:05:45.000 Blake, what is going on here?

00:05:46.000 It's like we had the beautiful weather.

00:05:47.000 I was really liking last week and I was making plans to go to like the last weekend of the Diamondbacks and then now it's It's going to be like 110 again.

00:05:56.000 It's back with a vengeance.

00:05:57.000 It's not good.

00:05:58.000 And people were out there.

00:05:59.000 We were registering 100, I think the final tally is 350 new registered voters just right then and there.

00:06:04.000 But many of them might not make it to the election because it's so hot.

00:06:07.000 They'll just be taken out.

00:06:09.000 The sun will vaporize them.

00:06:10.000 That's right.

00:06:11.000 And the spirit and the enthusiasm was remarkable.

00:06:15.000 And here's the kicker.

00:06:17.000 So I asked the audience, are you guys all registered?

00:06:19.000 Yes.

00:06:20.000 In Arizona?

00:06:22.000 And they say, what?

00:06:25.000 You have to do it twice?

00:06:26.000 And so no, but to their credit, they're like, well, I'm registered in California.

00:06:29.000 I said, no, no, no, register right here.

00:06:30.000 So I spent about 10 minutes reconfiguring people like, where are you registered to vote?

00:06:35.000 Oh, Illinois.

00:06:36.000 No, no, no, no.

00:06:37.000 Right here.

00:06:38.000 Where are you registered to vote?

00:06:40.000 Right here.

00:06:41.000 Like it's just one after the other.

00:06:43.000 And so some of these were new registrations.

00:06:46.000 A vast majority were out of state transfer registrations.

00:06:51.000 Do we have the video to put up there?

00:06:53.000 By the way, Blake, or anybody can chime in, typically the Democrats are the ones that are doing that kind of work.

00:06:57.000 Democrats will do insane stuff.

00:06:59.000 I remember Democrats once had a thing where they set up a system online where if you wanted to vote for Nader, they would do a swap where they're like, okay, this person who's in a safe blue state will vote for Nader on your behalf so that you can vote for Gore in the 2000 election.

00:07:17.000 Like, they've done some very complicated engineering to get their votes where they want them to be.

00:07:22.000 Let's play Cup 117, please.

00:07:22.000 So right here, you guys registered to vote?

00:07:29.000 If you are from another state, register to vote here in Arizona.

00:07:35.000 Who's from California?

00:07:38.000 Are you registered to vote here?

00:07:40.000 Yes?

00:07:40.000 Arizona?

00:07:41.000 You know?

00:07:43.000 You gotta get registered to vote right here.

00:07:44.000 Alright?

00:07:45.000 Who's from Illinois?

00:07:46.000 You're from Illinois?

00:07:47.000 Where are you registered to vote?

00:07:49.000 Here.

00:07:49.000 Good answer.

00:07:50.000 You gotta register to vote in the state of Arizona, okay?

00:07:54.000 Because we do not want a Kamala Harris presidency.

00:07:56.000 Are you right?

00:07:59.000 Our team will get it done in what, five minutes?

00:08:02.000 Less than that.

00:08:03.000 Two minutes.

00:08:05.000 So yeah, that was a little bit of kind of what I was just, I had no idea we had a clip of that kind of dialogue.

00:08:10.000 Um, Andrew, let's play cut 119 and then Andrew, I want your reaction.

00:08:14.000 Are you registered to vote?

00:08:15.000 Do you want to?

00:08:16.000 Yeah!

00:08:17.000 Huh?

00:08:18.000 Yeah!

00:08:18.000 Here, I'll give you some pens.

00:08:22.000 Andrew, this is, Andrew, you've been working with us for eight years, seven years?

00:08:44.000 I think it was 2018?

00:08:45.000 Something like that.

00:08:46.000 Yeah, 2018, so it'd be six years ago.

00:08:49.000 Have you seen anything like this in our time together?

00:08:51.000 No, you used to have like two dozen protesters with maybe like six you know, local chapter members, and you know, maybe just

00:09:01.000 you'd have to like recruit people to come up to the table to talk to you. And now Charlie, you're

00:09:07.000 walking into campus, thousands of students greet you, supporters, they all love

00:09:11.000 you, they love Trump, they're energized.

00:09:15.000 I was talking to a reporter today and they were like, well, you know, what do you think it is about young men?

00:09:20.000 And I was like, well, they've been told that they're toxically masculine toxicity or whatever it is, toxically masculine.

00:09:27.000 They have been told that they're the problem, that they should sit down and shut up

00:09:32.000 and they need to make room for people that are maybe not born here and women, 0.96

00:09:36.000 and they're getting sick of it.

00:09:37.000 And they're being marginalized, demonized, and villainized.

00:09:41.000 And it's like, here you got a guy that has millions of followers

00:09:44.000 across social media platforms, telling them to be loud and proud, be bold,

00:09:48.000 stand up for their rights, stand up for their country.

00:09:51.000 And Charlie, I've never seen anything, and there's lots of women too, by the way, 1.00

00:09:54.000 tons and tons of women at these events. 1.00

00:09:56.000 It's not just men, but yeah, there is a special resonance with young men right now

00:10:00.000 because they finally have fighters in the ring and it's not just Charlie.

00:10:03.000 Jack's one of them.

00:10:04.000 We've got, I mean, even, even voices like Russell Brand, Joe Rogan, there's this resurgence of masculine energy and you see it across social media and these kids are responding to it and they're anxious for people that are going to stand up for him and it's amazing.

00:10:19.000 It's amazing to see and to see them proudly donning MAGA caps in the middle of this sea

00:10:25.000 of progressivism at college campuses across the nation.

00:10:29.000 By the way, we've seen this from Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, Northern Texas, Kansas State,

00:10:34.000 Nebraska, UW-Madison, University of Pittsburgh, Penn State, and now today, yesterday at ASU.

00:10:41.000 I mean, this is something that we've never seen.

00:10:45.000 And then when you start looking at the social media views across platforms, we're at like, in the last 60 days, Ryan can give me the number, but it's like, something like 450 million views across YouTube and TikTok alone.

00:10:58.000 So this is a phenomena, and I don't say that lightly.

00:11:02.000 I've never said that actually, dealing with us.

00:11:05.000 I don't think you would remember me saying that, Charlie.

00:11:11.000 now and they have no idea about it in the mainstream news.

00:11:15.000 They're actively ignoring it and we're fine with that honestly.

00:11:19.000 Let's make sure the vote total is correlated with what we're feeling on the ground, right?

00:11:25.000 And finally, ignore it to your own demise.

00:11:27.000 Jack, you were also on campus with me at Penn State.

00:11:30.000 Jack, we played some of that tape.

00:11:33.000 You've been around 2016, 2020.

00:11:36.000 Just kind of in your own words, Jack, what did you see?

00:11:38.000 What did you experience?

00:11:39.000 What did you feel at Penn State University?

00:11:41.000 So what's interesting for me is that Going back a number of years, prior to 2016, a decade prior to 2016, in 2006, I was the executive director of the Pennsylvania College Republicans.

00:11:58.000 So I've done events going back Penn State and You know, University of Pittsburgh and going out to obviously all over Philadelphia, different parts of the state as well.

00:12:09.000 So very familiar with how campuses operate, or at least how they used to operate because you used to do an event like that on campus.

00:12:18.000 You did tabling, Kutztown, whatever.

00:12:21.000 that you would go and you'd be inundated.

00:12:25.000 So the goal for tabling used to be like, how can we troll the campus in order to get press and like maybe get on Drudge Report because that's how it used to be.

00:12:36.000 And then perhaps, you know, Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity or something like that would pick you up.

00:12:41.000 That was the goal back in those days because you were totally outnumbered.

00:12:45.000 So to go to Penn State now here almost 20 years later, And be welcomed by a sea of conservatives or, you know, not even conservatives, but just people who are Trump supporters.

00:13:02.000 When you and I went there and we brought 1,500 MAGA hats, and we only had enough to cover about half the crowd.

00:13:11.000 I've never seen anything like it.

00:13:12.000 I've never conceived of anything like it.

00:13:15.000 Beyond my wildest dreams, if you had told me that something like this would take place, which by the way, you did tell me, and I was like, yeah, okay, Charlie, we'll see.

00:13:22.000 I'll come up.

00:13:23.000 Jack, I was literally going to talk about that.

00:13:25.000 I was like, Jack, I don't think you know what you're about to see.

00:13:27.000 I was like, Jack.

00:13:28.000 Yeah, because like a week prior, a week prior, you were saying, Hey, come on up and, you know, we'll do Penn State together and it'll be fun.

00:13:36.000 It's like your home state.

00:13:37.000 My dad went there.

00:13:38.000 My brother went there.

00:13:39.000 I'm like the black sheep.

00:13:40.000 Like everyone in my family went to Penn State but me.

00:13:42.000 So, you know, huge family of Nittany Lions.

00:13:44.000 My cousins, my aunts, everybody went to Penn State.

00:13:46.000 It's like Pennsylvania is what you do.

00:13:49.000 And Tony Bobulinski I got to meet this weekend, by the way, who is also a big Penn State guy.

00:13:56.000 You know, you were saying you're going to see something.

00:13:58.000 There's something happening on these campuses.

00:14:00.000 There's some movement that's really taken off.

00:14:03.000 And yes, it is absolutely because people kept asking me, Jack, you on TikTok when I was there, you on TikTok.

00:14:07.000 It's very much, you know, it's sort of like piggybacked or bootstrapped through TikTok that's just spread throughout these campuses.

00:14:16.000 And people are, you know, I guess reflecting on it now, it's, It's that the establishment has switched so much.

00:14:23.000 I know it's cliche and we talk about that, but the establishment has switched from You know, from being a conservative establishment to, you know, like when I was there and, you know, Bush was president, to now where the left is just in charge of everything.

00:14:37.000 They're in charge of all the campuses.

00:14:38.000 They're in charge of every institution.

00:14:40.000 And so that youthful rebelliousness is turned towards the right, and it's coded towards the right.

00:14:46.000 So to be edgy is to say things that are pro-Trump.

00:14:50.000 That's edgy.

00:14:51.000 And then you've also got people, and, you know, credit to you, Charlie, you got people there who were coming up to me that were saying, I followed turning point for 10 years and you realize that's okay if you're 18 19 that means you started following turning point when you were like 8 or 9 going on YouTube or something like that so it's like you know Charlie I remember you saying something to me once a couple years ago where where you're saying there's this huge conservative youth that's you know that's coming

00:15:19.000 That's sort of been inculcated through Turning Point and it's on the way up.

00:15:23.000 And I was like, all right, whatever.

00:15:24.000 Charlie's got, you know, Charlie's got to push donations.

00:15:27.000 Charlie's got work to do.

00:15:28.000 He's got to fund chapters, whatever, you know, sounds nice.

00:15:31.000 Um, and no problem.

00:15:33.000 And then I actually saw it because they're not kids anymore.

00:15:37.000 Now they're in college.

00:15:38.000 Now they're voters.

00:15:40.000 Now they're getting active.

00:15:41.000 And it's like, wait a minute, they're, they're young adults now.

00:15:43.000 And it's real.

00:15:45.000 And it's actually going to have an effect on the election.

00:15:48.000 It's like, okay, yep, I get it now.

00:15:51.000 All right.

00:15:51.000 Charlie was right.

00:15:54.000 And it's just amazing.

00:15:55.000 It's just amazing.

00:15:56.000 Well, I want to thank all you guys for believing in the vision and we'll see if it materializes.

00:15:59.000 I think we need to have some humility about it, but also some honesty.

00:16:02.000 We've never experienced anything like this.

00:16:04.000 This is just overwhelming.

00:16:06.000 It is momentous and we'll see if God uses it in a way to impact the election.

00:16:11.000 There is other news we want to get to on thought crime.

00:16:14.000 Black Epstein. 0.98

00:16:16.000 Black Epstein. 0.98

00:16:18.000 Maybe.

00:16:19.000 Maybe.

00:16:20.000 I'll let you guys debate.

00:16:21.000 I don't know that much about this.

00:16:24.000 I'll be honest, I don't know.

00:16:25.000 Everyone does want to talk about it.

00:16:26.000 Let's just get one thing out of the way.

00:16:29.000 Who's Puff Daddy and who's P. Diddy?

00:16:32.000 That's a good point.

00:16:33.000 And there's Diddy.

00:16:36.000 It's his alter ego.

00:16:37.000 Hold on, is that like Kiev and Kiev?

00:16:39.000 Kiev and Kiev?

00:16:40.000 It'd be like Kiev and Keev if, like, the Ukraine kept coming out and changing the spelling every few years.

00:16:47.000 And then occasionally, like, maybe they just called it Yiv, or whatever, without the K sound.

00:16:52.000 That's what it would be like.

00:16:53.000 Because he's gone through a few iterations of that name, I believe.

00:16:57.000 Yeah, it was Puff Daddy, then P. Diddy, and then...

00:17:01.000 Isn't there something?

00:17:02.000 Wasn't there one other one?

00:17:03.000 Just Diddy.

00:17:03.000 I think there was just Diddy.

00:17:04.000 I think currently his name is just Diddy.

00:17:06.000 They lost the P somewhere.

00:17:08.000 And then, of course, his real name is Sean Combs.

00:17:11.000 Didn't Snoop Dogg do something like... There's like other rappers that keep changing their names.

00:17:17.000 It's like a flex where you can just change your name at will and you make the whole world sort of like adopt to your new name.

00:17:25.000 I think that's the whole point.

00:17:26.000 It's like, I'm powerful enough to change my name midstream, mid-career, and everybody will just Go along with it.

00:17:32.000 Like Kanye and Ye?

00:17:34.000 Yes, a lot like that.

00:17:35.000 Although Kanye at least was his real name, too.

00:17:38.000 And then he's now altered it.

00:17:39.000 All right.

00:17:40.000 What's going on?

00:17:42.000 I've paid so little attention to this.

00:17:44.000 Jack, do you want to take this?

00:17:46.000 Well, I was going to say it's also kind of like when you're in a presidential election and you're running against a guy named Joe Biden.

00:17:52.000 And then all of a sudden you wake up one day and there's a Kind of like that.

00:17:56.000 That's Sean Combs to P. Diddy to Puff Daddy to Diddy.

00:17:58.000 Okay, so what is going on here?

00:17:59.000 What is he charged with?

00:18:00.000 Educate me.

00:18:00.000 candidate and then you have another debate and in that debate the moderators don't even

00:18:05.000 mention the fact that the guy from the previous debate isn't there.

00:18:09.000 Kind of like that.

00:18:10.000 That's Sean Combs to P. Diddy to Puff Daddy to Diddy.

00:18:14.000 OK.

00:18:15.000 So what is going on here.

00:18:18.000 What is he charged with.

00:18:20.000 Educate me.

00:18:21.000 Anybody.

00:18:22.000 So the thing with Diddy is first of all apparently it's just been.

00:18:25.000 You ever notice this always happens with Hollywood where it will just be sort of an open secret

00:18:29.000 that someone's a creep or a criminal or a weirdo.

00:18:31.000 Like, it took, you know, Harvey Weinstein. 0.95

00:18:34.000 Everyone would make public jokes about him being this huge perv who, like, does casting couch stuff.

00:18:39.000 And no one does anything about it.

00:18:42.000 No one ever calls the police or sues him.

00:18:45.000 There's just suddenly a feeding frenzy and everyone comes out and, like, is a martyr about it.

00:18:49.000 So Diddy kind of had this aspect.

00:18:52.000 There's been all these other rappers would rib Diddy and say like he's a creep and you have these stories that'll host these parties and like his house is weird like supposedly there's a camera in every room of his house and there's all this strange stuff and so there's been jokes about this for ages And what's finally happened is they raided his home and investigated it, and then last week he was arrested on charges of sex trafficking and a few other things.

00:19:24.000 And the reason this is big, because obviously a lot of hip-hop artists are criminals in

00:19:29.000 various degrees, is people speculate he had these big parties and he has cameras in his

00:19:35.000 house and all this strange stuff, that he might have done the whole alleged Epstein

00:19:40.000 thing of get videotape of people so he has compromising information on them, and that

00:19:46.000 now that he's finally going on trial, all of this could come out.

00:19:50.000 Or he might, you know, commit suicide in prison.

00:19:55.000 And, you know, that happens sometimes.

00:19:56.000 Sometimes people commit suicide and the cameras are all turned off and all of the staff at the prison are asleep.

00:20:01.000 And you can't prevent that or do anything about it.

00:20:04.000 Yeah.

00:20:05.000 So, Jack, go ahead, Jack.

00:20:07.000 Yeah, no, I was going to add that the real thing that a lot of people want to add And that I think is generating a lot of talk is, well, I guess two pieces.

00:20:17.000 Number one, there is this sort of casting cast aspect to it because, you know, there's, there's always been this question of like, why is this guy famous?

00:20:25.000 Right.

00:20:26.000 He's got, you know, maybe one or two songs from Like the 90s, where he was actually just featured as a singer, some, you know, Notorious B.I.G.

00:20:36.000 You know, he's in a couple of Biggie songs, but he's only ever, like, had one or two songs that were really legitimately his.

00:20:45.000 He's always just sort of been famous for being associated with other people.

00:20:50.000 And, you know, for decades since, like three decades since, there isn't really any verifiable reason as to why he has the power that he does.

00:20:58.000 And so people have attributed him to be more and more of this casting couch thing.

00:21:01.000 But that and that's really what's coming out and 50 Cent is like just dropping bombs on him because he's been saying stuff like this for years about Diddy.

00:21:09.000 So is Kanye, by the way.

00:21:10.000 And you know, now now it seems to be coming out that they were kind of telling the truth.

00:21:15.000 But there's also these questions about the Diddy parties.

00:21:20.000 and the Diddy party stuff that's coming out is pretty heinous and stuff that I don't even know

00:21:25.000 that we can really talk about here on the program.

00:21:29.000 And the question then that a lot of people are asking is, well, wait a minute, you know,

00:21:33.000 there's a lot of celebrities that were associated with these parties.

00:21:37.000 There's a lot of, even, and people not outside of the hip hop world too,

00:21:42.000 even people who are like, like actresses and actors, and even including some politicians like the Obama family.

00:21:49.000 Yeah, I was gonna say, you should name some names.

00:21:51.000 These are all allegations, like, rumors.

00:21:53.000 We're not saying they're true, but, like, who are some of the names that are getting floated out?

00:21:56.000 Because I think that is why, genuinely germane to this story and explaining it.

00:22:00.000 Well, Chrissy Teigen and John Legend are two big, two big ones are Chrissy Teigen and John Legend, and Chrissy Teigen famously, or infamously, had that You know, sort of a hot mic moment.

00:22:10.000 I think it was at a Grammy's back in like 2015, where she was asked and it was just again, you know, what, you know, e red carpet kind of thing was like, Oh, you're here with John Legend.

00:22:21.000 What was the most?

00:22:23.000 What's the weirdest place you guys have ever done it in public?

00:22:26.000 And she just all, all of a sudden off the cuff says, the Obama thing.

00:22:31.000 Like, and John Legend sort of goes, you know, very, you know, wide eyed very quickly.

00:22:36.000 And everyone's sort of looking around, he goes, we're and then he pops in like, Oh, we're not gonna be we're not gonna be getting into that.

00:22:42.000 And then they, they like one of their publicists put out some statement that, oh, it was the DNC.

00:22:46.000 And it was just like, Obama wasn't there.

00:22:48.000 And it wasn't something.

00:22:50.000 So another big one that I mentioned.

00:22:53.000 I was at Tucker earlier this week was Oprah Winfrey.

00:22:58.000 But Oprah Winfrey is someone who's heavily associated with these things.

00:23:01.000 Oprah Winfrey was also associated with Harvey Weinstein and associated with procuring, you know,

00:23:07.000 or at least identifying these young actresses for getting on. 1.00

00:23:12.000 Jay-Z and Beyonce, this is a huge one.

00:23:14.000 Jay-Z and Beyonce.

00:23:15.000 Yeah, Jay-Z is the one I've heard the most of.

00:23:17.000 That's like a really big one.

00:23:19.000 And people, basically, there's been a lot of allegations as to behavior between Puff Daddy and other, you know,

00:23:27.000 Diddy and other male artists.

00:23:30.000 But again, these are just allegations that are not in the charges.

00:23:33.000 But yeah, Diddy, Beyonce, Meek Mill in Philadelphia, Justin Bieber, who, you know, there's a lot of videos

00:23:41.000 of when he was like 15 and Diddy was the guy who kind of, Um...

00:23:46.000 You know Bieber first came up on YouTube and he was like one of the first big YouTube sensations goes viral early on Diddy discovers him and then brings him in and there's just all these old videos coming out of Justin Bieber being very young around Diddy and you know now looked at in a different light and people are asking a lot of questions as to what went on there and there's there's probably a few others that's just off the top of my head a few that I can't remember.

00:24:11.000 Jack, let's let's pause on the Justin Bieber one, because we have this clip from when it looks like Diddy was about 40 years old in this clip.

00:24:20.000 And he's with Justin Bieber, who's 15.

00:24:23.000 And now in retrospect, it's weird. 107.

00:24:28.000 Justin, he's in, you ever seen the movie 48 Hours?

00:24:31.000 Right now he's having 48 hours with Diddy, him and his boy.

00:24:34.000 They're having the times of their lives, like, you know, where we hanging out and what we doing.

00:24:40.000 We can't really disclose.

00:24:44.000 But it's definitely a 15-year-old's dream.

00:24:48.000 I have been given custody of him.

00:24:53.000 He signed to Usher.

00:24:54.000 I signed to Usher.

00:24:55.000 I had legal guardianship of Usher when he did his first album.

00:25:00.000 I did Usher's first album.

00:25:01.000 I don't have legal guardianship of him, but for the next 48 hours, he's with me.

00:25:08.000 And we're going to go full, buck full crazy.

00:25:12.000 We're going crazy.

00:25:13.000 I'm sure it's just video games.

00:25:14.000 Yeah, supposedly one of, uh, one of Diddy's former drug dealers told the New York Post that his parties were, quote, weird, and they would, like, go all day, but then really ramp up at midnight, and they would call them freak-off sessions, and people get high on ketamine.

00:25:32.000 Is this, like, Eyes Wide Shut type stuff?

00:25:34.000 I haven't seen that movie.

00:25:35.000 I'm not degenerate like a little more urban vibes, but yeah, I have not

00:25:40.000 But it's it's like less Vienna more South Central Yeah, bail me out the eyes wide shut is a commonly well-known

00:25:48.000 thing of like rich people that right you guys know that Yeah, they wear masks and they do sex parties like very

00:25:53.000 Yes, Nicole Kidman and Danny Kubrick's last film and yeah, so come out after that

00:26:04.000 one, but let's watch this now So you just saw Justin Bieber as a kid.

00:26:09.000 And then if you actually listen to the words and I'm stealing this from whoever posted this on TikTok,

00:26:14.000 but when you actually listen to the words of what Justin Bieber is saying, cut 109.

00:26:19.000 ♪ Watch myself at a ditty party ♪ ♪ Didn't know that's how it go ♪

00:26:25.000 ♪ I was in it for a new Ferrari ♪ ♪ But it cost me way more than my soul ♪

00:26:31.000 ♪ Was it worth all the fortune and fame ♪ ♪ All the girls never walking the same ♪ 1.00

00:26:36.000 ♪ Signed a paper so he never has to ever say sorry ♪ ♪ Lost myself at a ditty party ♪

00:26:43.000 You guys are educating me here.

00:26:44.000 Keep going.

00:26:46.000 So he he lost himself at a ditty party, was in it for the fame and the Ferrari, but he lost his soul much more than his soul.

00:26:53.000 Women didn't walk the same way, which is pretty graphic. 1.00

00:26:57.000 And then and then he says he lost himself at a ditty party, repeats himself.

00:27:01.000 I mean, I'd never heard that song until all these rumors came out.

00:27:05.000 Sign the papers so we'd never have to say sorry.

00:27:07.000 And look, like, to me or anyone who's been around Hollywood, you know, this is a form of an initiation ritual.

00:27:15.000 It's sort of like, if you want to be in, if you want to be cool, you got to hang out at the party.

00:27:20.000 And if you want to be one of the party people, then you got to, you know, you got to keep going.

00:27:25.000 And if you want the next deal or if you want the next endorsement or the next project or whatever it is, and you're young, well, the idea is You go to the party, and whatever Diddy says, Diddy goes, right?

00:27:38.000 So, you know, you've got to outdo whatever the next thing they could think of is, and supposedly that was what these freak-offs were, but, you know, this isn't the same time that, you know, obviously there's been millions of stories, thousands of stories about this type

00:27:54.000 of behavior in in Hollywood.

00:27:56.000 I think this is just one of the times where something has come out that's really, really,

00:28:01.000 they've decided to, you know, go after him. And there are some me too aspects to this where,

00:28:06.000 you know, similar to, you know, the again, like the casting couch stuff like the,

00:28:11.000 like the Harvey Weinstein style stuff, but it's it definitely goes beyond that.

00:28:15.000 So here's here's what's interesting as well about it is because Hugh Hefner in LA would throw these

00:28:21.000 big elaborate parties and he's famous for having planted video cameras all throughout the Playboy

00:28:29.000 So he would invite these really important people, really famous people, they would go, they would do untoward things, and he would basically have blackmail on them.

00:28:38.000 And so nobody ever touched Hugh Hefner, and a lot of people are thinking that this is kind of the same model that P. Diddy was following.

00:28:50.000 And then finally, it was his ex-girlfriend, an R&B singer named Cassie.

00:28:56.000 She filed a lawsuit in November, 2023, saying that he raped, plied her with drugs, and viciously beat her on many occasions over the course of 10 years.

00:29:06.000 And she was apparently signed to his label in 2005.

00:29:10.000 And she filed the case under the Newark Adult Survivors Act.

00:29:15.000 And then they settled the lawsuit Like, basically two weeks later.

00:29:21.000 And then, that was on 17th of November.

00:29:23.000 Then on the 23rd of November, two more women came forward to accuse Sean Combs, P. Diddy, of sexual abuse.

00:29:33.000 And then on December 6th, another woman alleged that Combs and two other men raped her in 2003.

00:29:38.000 And then in February, a music producer, Lil Rod Jones, came forward.

00:29:47.000 Oh yeah, so CNN gets this footage of Diddy beating, and it's like, it's really graphic.

00:29:50.000 between 2022 and 2023.

00:29:52.000 And then all that kind of led towards his houses getting raided in March.

00:29:57.000 And so everybody's kind of been wondering, and then by the way, CNN leaked that video.

00:30:01.000 Do we have that video guys of where he actually beat up Cassie, the girl who filed the original lawsuit?

00:30:07.000 Oh yeah, so CNN gets this footage of, did he beat it?

00:30:11.000 And it's like, it's really graphic.

00:30:13.000 So I just want to say like, apologies in advance, but this sort of shows, you can play this B-roll,

00:30:17.000 there's no audio.

00:30:18.000 But this, so his house gets raided.

00:30:20.000 And then like a few months later, this video comes out of P Diddy,

00:30:24.000 just like beating the crap out of his, this Cassie girl who filed the original lawsuit. 0.99

00:30:30.000 And so it kind of made everybody go, oh. 0.87

00:30:32.000 Oh This guy is a monster and then for them to now fully arrest him and with all the allegations all the weird stuff and It's not looking good for Diddy.

00:30:45.000 So the chyron says, Diddy do it.

00:30:48.000 I would say this is one of the strongest pieces of evidence, let alone the fact that 50 Cent's been hinting at this for years, let alone the Mike Tyson on the couch scene where he didn't want him to touch him, let alone the Justin Bieber stuff.

00:31:02.000 There's a lot of weird things around.

00:31:04.000 There it is, yeah.

00:31:05.000 So for those of you listening, this is Mike Tyson on a couch, looks like on Arsenio Hall or something.

00:31:11.000 From the 90s, grabbing Diddy's hand and making sure it's not touching him.

00:31:16.000 Who is Clive Davis?

00:31:19.000 I don't even know who John Legend is.

00:31:19.000 I don't know.

00:31:21.000 That's how bad I am on celebrities.

00:31:23.000 He's a producer.

00:31:24.000 Yeah, everyone says Clive Davis.

00:31:25.000 Well, yeah, isn't that the producer?

00:31:26.000 Did they say he's behind it or something?

00:31:28.000 Is that right?

00:31:29.000 I don't know.

00:31:30.000 Behind it?

00:31:32.000 I don't know.

00:31:33.000 They say that he's the mentor of Diddy or something.

00:31:35.000 Who knows?

00:31:37.000 Jack, you say that he might be Black Epstein? 0.73

00:31:40.000 Oh yeah, Clive Davis.

00:31:41.000 Famous.

00:31:41.000 Famous Hollywood producer and like A&R guy.

00:31:45.000 So he's a music executive that, yeah, I mean he's legend.

00:31:50.000 Legendary status.

00:31:51.000 We should show his image because he's kind of like a famous, got a famous look.

00:31:56.000 He's super old now. 92?

00:31:59.000 Yeah, that doesn't surprise me.

00:31:59.000 Is he 92?

00:32:01.000 No, but he was around forever.

00:32:03.000 He was around for literally forever.

00:32:05.000 Like he was.

00:32:06.000 Yeah, he's a big, big producer.

00:32:08.000 When when this was like when music was still powerful, like before Napster, right before LimeWire, before like Spotify.

00:32:15.000 Now, before music went streaming and they all these guys were just swimming in money.

00:32:19.000 This guy was one of the moguls and helped Puff Daddy become Puff Daddy.

00:32:25.000 And then he did it.

00:32:27.000 Yeah, and a lot of like the 70s, 80s, even like rock, R&B, like a lot of the big names that you would know were associated with him.

00:32:33.000 I think he's at Sony now.

00:32:35.000 Yeah.

00:32:35.000 So Jack, do you think that, is there any evidence to suggest that Diddy has a blackmail file on people?

00:32:42.000 Uh, there is, because one of his... Where was it?

00:32:48.000 There was actually a story that came out Talking about one of his... I don't want to get this wrong, but it was an employee, basically, was saying that Diddy would... It was a former bodyguard.

00:33:02.000 And, you know, this was one that came out.

00:33:04.000 So basically, there's been a lot of people over the years that have come out and said things about Diddy.

00:33:11.000 Even people, like, in just the last 12 months have come out and said things like this. 0.87

00:33:16.000 There was a guy who showed up at, like, Trump Hotel a couple years ago and said that he was a Diddy sex slave. 0.89

00:33:20.000 And, you know, he, like, went to jail and nobody listened to him.

00:33:23.000 And then back in a few, a few months ago, I'm just pulling it up here, in April, there was a former bodyguard who claimed that Diddy possesses blackmail tapes of prominent figures, including quote, princes and preachers.

00:33:39.000 And this guy came forward and said, I'm a former bodyguard.

00:33:43.000 And you know, I'm familiar with this and the feds got all the computers and all the devices.

00:33:49.000 And look, this was, This was a guy who had been with Diddy at his residences in Miami and Los Angeles and all around and had said, oh yeah, he used to videotape this stuff at the freakout parties and he would, you know, he would essentially be able to maintain these blackmail photos of people who were, you know, guests at the parties or again, like the victims in order to, you know, doing things to the victims in order to potentially use that for future leverage.

00:34:22.000 Very good.

00:34:22.000 Any closing thoughts on Mr. Diddy?

00:34:25.000 Well, I was gonna say there's this like famous video of him where Where he's got a kid on his lap and he starts reading off names.

00:34:34.000 And so that's the big conspiracy theories.

00:34:36.000 This was like a signal to the names that he reads out that he is not going down with the ship alone.

00:34:43.000 Like he's going to take all these people down with him.

00:34:46.000 So this was one of the theories that this is actually his blackmail list.

00:34:50.000 So if your name's on this list, live in fear kind of thing.

00:34:54.000 So that's also fueling theories that Well, very good.

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00:38:28.000 OK, next topic is JD Vance.

00:38:32.000 However long we want to hit it, but I figured as advertising for covering the debate next Tuesday, there's a lot of discussion to be had.

00:38:40.000 Like, what's the strategy got to be for it?

00:38:43.000 I'm curious, what do you guys think first?

00:38:45.000 I have strong opinions here, but I want to listen first.

00:38:47.000 What do you guys think?

00:38:49.000 I mean, my big thought, first of all, unless we get a surprise second presidential debate, or second debate between Trump and Kamala, third overall for president, this is looking like it's going to be the last debate of the cycle.

00:39:04.000 It's going to be this, and then a month, and we vote.

00:39:07.000 And that gives it much higher stakes.

00:39:10.000 Usually, the standard was three presidential, one vice presidential.

00:39:15.000 It was just sort of slotted in there.

00:39:16.000 The diehards watch it, and it's quickly forgotten.

00:39:20.000 I can't really remember the most famous moment from any of the last few Veep debates.

00:39:24.000 This is kind of the last pitch that they can make to a big audience where everyone's watching.

00:39:32.000 And I think there's also been a lot of attention on the vice presidential nominees relative to some prior years.

00:39:37.000 I don't think Pence got that much attention in 2016.

00:39:42.000 Kamala wasn't getting as much attention as Biden himself in 2020.

00:39:46.000 But this time, both sides have really hit the opposing faction, and there's a big difference in style between them.

00:39:55.000 Uh, like, you have Vance, this kind of has the, you know, came from a town much like Springfield, Ohio, goes to Yale, has kind of this class traitor element to him, because, you know, he was allowed into the elite, but now he's turned and become critical of elites.

00:40:12.000 And then Walls, we have, you know, the whole It's a conservatism in drag sort of thing that he presents, where he's this folksy guy from the Midwest who just wants to do what's right, gosh darn it, and we're not gonna support all those rich, coastal, elite Ivy Leaguer folk.

00:40:32.000 There's a big contrast between them, and I guess I do wonder, how does Vance come out of that clash successfully?

00:40:42.000 Because on the one hand, Walls is a more experienced politician.

00:40:45.000 He has more practiced at that folksy appeal.

00:40:48.000 On the other hand, Vance has definitely been the one who's done the most media in the last two months, going against reporters, doing tons of interviews, so he's certainly like the most practiced of any of the politicians right now, and I'd hope that that pays some dividends.

00:41:04.000 What are your thoughts, guys?

00:41:06.000 It seems as if this is going to be a continuation of the Trump-Kamala debate.

00:41:12.000 Also, this is the last debate that we're going to have between these two camps.

00:41:16.000 Jack, you first.

00:41:17.000 Yeah.

00:41:17.000 So, I mean, there's a lot here.

00:41:20.000 Now, one thing that I think strategy-wise that I would say for J.D.

00:41:25.000 Vance You know, he's introduced himself to the country a number of times because obviously his book came out that just took off, you know, when it was first released in 2016, 2017, sold millions of copies, continues to sell millions of copies, by the way.

00:41:45.000 And then the movie came out on Netflix in 2020.

00:41:47.000 That obviously did, actually did very well.

00:41:50.000 I'm going to say obviously because Netflix doesn't always release their numbers and they

00:41:53.000 certainly have kept this under wraps.

00:41:55.000 But I've, I've had people tell me that it's been one of the most, one of the best performing

00:41:59.000 videos on all of Netflix for one of their independently produced productions.

00:42:05.000 And again, you've got Glenn Close, you've got Amy Adams playing his mother, but one

00:42:11.000 of the issues that J.D.

00:42:13.000 Vance has even with the enormous success of Hillbilly Elegy is that people don't always necessarily associate him with the movie because the movie so so solely focuses not solely but so centrally focuses on the mother and grandmother that people don't realize oh wait that's J.D.

00:42:31.000 Vance's family so If there's anything he needs to do in terms of introducing himself is just remind people that that and he's been doing this on the stump over and over by the way uh remind people that is me that is my family that family that you remember from that movie that is us and that was a story that I put up that's number one number two politically so that's on the personality side politically speaking um which I think will cover up a lot of the stuff that

00:42:55.000 That we're talking about in terms of Tim Walz being able to try to come across as folksy.

00:42:59.000 And he does, by the way.

00:43:00.000 He comes across like, you know, a high school football coach.

00:43:03.000 And even though he was never a league coach.

00:43:05.000 And then when it comes to the actual politics of it, I think, and you've seen him do this in media again and again.

00:43:12.000 You've seen him do this in these, I love these, these sort of like mini, it's like a mini town hall slash rally slash press conference.

00:43:21.000 That JD Vance has done these hybrid events, which are fantastic, where he's taking interview questions from media, but he's also talking to just like regular people.

00:43:30.000 And he's got a crowd there of supporters.

00:43:32.000 So whenever he's, you know, jousting with the mainstream media, they come back on him and you know, people are laughing and taking his side.

00:43:39.000 And it just works really, really well.

00:43:41.000 And the clips do well, because it looks like it looks like a fun atmosphere.

00:43:45.000 He keeps it positive.

00:43:46.000 But he always focuses on Kamala Harris.

00:43:49.000 He doesn't talk about Tim Walz.

00:43:50.000 He doesn't get into the personal stuff about Tim Walz.

00:43:52.000 He can, if he has to.

00:43:54.000 I'm sure, by the way, that Tim Walz is going to be doing the same thing.

00:43:57.000 He's going to make it about Donald Trump.

00:44:00.000 And so you've got to make sure to maintain that focus on Kamala Harris, that she's the candidate.

00:44:07.000 She's also the incumbent, by the way.

00:44:09.000 And we've seen this huge push from Kamala's camp right now to try to paint Trump in a way as the incumbent,

00:44:16.000 seeing as he's the former president, whereas like, or like to say that she's not part

00:44:20.000 of the Biden administration, well, she is as a matter of fact

00:44:22.000 and she's the only, as far as we know, the only cogent, you know, non-senile member

00:44:29.000 of the Biden administration, as far as we know, the senior ranking one, fair enough,

00:44:32.000 even though we've got Joe Biden running cabinet meetings.

00:44:34.000 So, you know, you've got to keep it on her, but one of the main things that he can do

00:44:40.000 to really bait Tim Walz is that Tim Walz has a tendency, even though he is a more polished politician,

00:44:47.000 He has a big tendency to get hot under the collar.

00:44:50.000 And we've seen this again and again in these local videos from Minnesota, go back to some of the videos during COVID, whenever he's challenged on something that he's done or challenged on something that he said, he gets very, very upset about this.

00:45:03.000 And so I think there's opportunities for JD Vance to bait Tim Walz the way that Kamala kept trying to bait Donald Trump in the first debate.

00:45:13.000 So I have two thoughts here.

00:45:15.000 The first of which is that, and I agree with everything you guys said, J.D.

00:45:18.000 Vance should completely ignore Tim Walz largely.

00:45:21.000 He should say, continually make it about Kamala Harris and make it about the agenda. 0.94

00:45:26.000 Tim Walz is a buffoon and people know that and they'll see that.

00:45:29.000 But Kamala Harris is far less popular than Tim Walz. 0.97

00:45:32.000 And this debate is not going to be about bringing down Tim Walz's favorables.

00:45:35.000 People are voting for the president right now.

00:45:37.000 That's the way it is.

00:45:38.000 I guess anyone who was going to vote against Kamala because they're mad about Walz's guard service probably already knows about it.

00:45:45.000 Correct.

00:45:45.000 So at this point we tried to, you know, set that in.

00:45:48.000 Media didn't take it.

00:45:50.000 This is about Trump and Harris.

00:45:51.000 That's what all people are thinking about.

00:45:53.000 So then, in my opinion, J.D.

00:45:55.000 Vance should do the following.

00:45:56.000 He should keep on saying, well, Governor Walz, your boss Your boss, your boss, refer to Kamala Harris as his boss and saying, well your boss wants to ban fracking.

00:46:07.000 Keep on attacking so that Tim Walz has to defend Kamala Harris the entire time and not have to, you know, defend whatever weird record.

00:46:15.000 Now you could pepper in, you know, tampons and boys bathrooms and blah blah blah blah blah.

00:46:20.000 But, framing her as his boss is very emasculating, will help with men voters, because Tim Walz will not know what to do with that, and basically make all the points that we wished would have been said in the first debate, right here and there.

00:46:35.000 Why hasn't your boss fixed it yet?

00:46:37.000 What is your boss doing right now, Tim Walz?

00:46:40.000 Why doesn't she go tell the IRS she won't go after tax on tips right now? 1.00

00:46:44.000 Why are you guys not settling the peace deal, or doing a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine?

00:46:48.000 What is your boss doing right now to bring down inflation?

00:46:51.000 One after the other.

00:46:52.000 Make him have to carry the water for her. 0.76

00:46:55.000 That's my thoughts.

00:46:57.000 I think that's very strong.

00:46:58.000 That's the advice I gave JD.

00:47:01.000 It's good advice.

00:47:02.000 It's good advice and I hope he takes it.

00:47:04.000 Do you guys like the framing your boss?

00:47:08.000 I love it.

00:47:08.000 That's what I love the most.

00:47:09.000 What I worry is, I could imagine him turning that around in a good way.

00:47:13.000 Where he like, maybe he appropriates it.

00:47:15.000 Where he's like, my boss is a hero who fought the cartels.

00:47:19.000 And he startedly turns it into this litany of how great she is.

00:47:23.000 The reason I like it though, is that no one really likes a girl boss right now. 1.00

00:47:27.000 As far as in swing voters, like hyper.

00:47:29.000 Do you guys know what I'm saying?

00:47:31.000 So kind of, you know, because you could say you're running mate.

00:47:36.000 Okay.

00:47:37.000 You can say Vice President Harris, but your boss, it makes him look like this little thing that is controlled by... Little toady.

00:47:45.000 Exactly.

00:47:45.000 And why is that important?

00:47:48.000 The only attempt that they want out of this VP debate, what are their marching orders?

00:47:52.000 What does success look like for the Kamala campaign?

00:47:54.000 Because the polling data is not going great for them right now.

00:47:56.000 It's not going great for us, but it's not where they want it to be.

00:47:58.000 It is completely in the margin.

00:48:01.000 They're telling Tim Walz, for the love of God, can we not lose men as badly as we are?

00:48:05.000 Right?

00:48:06.000 Talk about how you do camo and, you know, you tried nicotine gum once or whatever.

00:48:12.000 Nothing will turn off men more than the idea that Tim Walz can't stand up to Kamala Harris.

00:48:17.000 They also will want to... they'll try to bring back the weird thing, I think.

00:48:22.000 I don't know if they'll explicitly say weird, but they'll want to... when... I'd say, like, Vance's worst moments of the campaign have been, like, if there's anything, like, a little bit awkward.

00:48:32.000 And some of that was just inevitable, like, okay, Cat lady thing.

00:48:35.000 It's a three four year old interview and you can't undo any of that but it was like he had that one where he was at the grocery store or something and like Trying like a woman didn't want to be on camera And it kind of looked like at the end of a sitcom episode or something.

00:48:51.000 That was not a great moment It wasn't great.

00:48:53.000 But they'll want to try to get a moment like that where he maybe like fumbles over it.

00:48:58.000 And then of course they also want to say, Vance, you're really extreme.

00:49:03.000 You're the Project 2025 candidate.

00:49:05.000 That's why you're on the Trump campaign.

00:49:07.000 They'll try to do that.

00:49:07.000 They're going to try to say Trump is really radical and the fact that this guy is on stage.

00:49:12.000 They're going to try to make him seem creepy.

00:49:14.000 That's the word. Do you agree?

00:49:16.000 I wonder if he'll say that.

00:49:18.000 He's like, you know, the American people don't want to creep for vice president.

00:49:22.000 I could see that.

00:49:24.000 If you look back at what the presidential debate kind of maybe shows us about the team around them that is doing

00:49:34.000 debate prep, They go straight for the jugular.

00:49:36.000 I mean, she was making ad hominem attacks. 1.00

00:49:39.000 She was attacking his character as an egocentric person, all this stuff, you know, attacking like rally sizes.

00:49:45.000 None of that stuff's going to going to work on JD, but he will launch those attacks.

00:49:50.000 And I think JD is going to like his.

00:49:53.000 You know, yes, it's true.

00:49:54.000 Net favorability, Tim Waltz is going to be higher than J.D.

00:49:57.000 simply because of the media environment that we exist in.

00:50:00.000 But you know, that's what's interesting, Charlie.

00:50:03.000 You see this in like the CNN clips as well, that, you know, Trump has a lower favorability than Kamala Harris.

00:50:10.000 But guess what?

00:50:13.000 51% of the respondents also said that Trump's presidency was a success and only 37 of them, 37% said that, uh, Biden-Harris administration has been a success.

00:50:24.000 So you can have low favorabilities while people still agree with the policy and will still vote for you.

00:50:30.000 And also I think J.D.' 's natural likability on camera is going to absolutely put sunlight on the media's astroturfing of J.D.

00:50:39.000 as soon as he got into the race with the cat lady stuff.

00:50:41.000 So I think he's naturally really likable.

00:50:43.000 He's affable.

00:50:44.000 He's got like a lightness to his personality.

00:50:51.000 Those attacks, those personal attacks, are not going to work.

00:50:54.000 So, I agree.

00:50:57.000 And the case needs to be about prosecuting it against Tim Walz and make it about Kamala.

00:51:03.000 Meaning, just, Tim Walz is nothing more than a bag carrier for Kamala Harris.

00:51:08.000 Emasculate him, minimize him.

00:51:11.000 As Jack aptly put it, don't let him do this, like, coach, locker room, Midwest thing, you know, we're going to pump up the country. 0.91

00:51:17.000 It's a bunch of nonsense.

00:51:20.000 This is an interesting thing.

00:51:21.000 I think we might get into more detail in this VP debate.

00:51:25.000 Make him have to answer for the border, for immigration, for crime, for the economy.

00:51:31.000 And the other piece of advice I gave JD is embrace the bandwagon effect.

00:51:35.000 Say, you know, a majority of Americans think our ticket's better for the economy.

00:51:40.000 A vast majority of Americans think that we're better at immigration.

00:51:42.000 And all of a sudden, it's very hard for Tim Walz, because all of a sudden he has to attack the people.

00:51:47.000 Yeah, he has to say, like, the polls are not true or something.

00:51:50.000 I like that framing.

00:51:51.000 And just say, look, we are on... And he'll be better at saying that than Trump would.

00:51:55.000 Trump would just say, everyone agrees we're better on the border.

00:51:58.000 100%.

00:51:58.000 So J.D.

00:51:59.000 could say very humbly, look, the American people have seen both agendas, and we're double-digit favorites, or preferred on management of the economy, double-digit on managing of foreign affairs, and double-digit on immigration.

00:52:12.000 And Governor Walz, your ticket is deeply unpopular because the American people—something like that, I think, is a great way of basically—the bandwagon effect then is no one will be like, well, maybe that's right.

00:52:24.000 Yeah, I do think he's—you know what I'm saying?

00:52:26.000 Like, all of a sudden, people want to be in the majority of Americans.

00:52:28.000 How would you have J.D.

00:52:30.000 phrase the answer on abortion?

00:52:35.000 I think we should play offense on it, and I think you've got to go to late-term.

00:52:38.000 I think that he could definitely navigate, with precision, Tim Walz's late-term abortion extremism better than President Trump could.

00:52:48.000 I think J.D.

00:52:48.000 Vance needs to know the states by name that allow late-term abortion and list them off.

00:52:53.000 Again, I saw this.

00:52:55.000 New Mexico, Colorado, Washington, Oregon, Minnesota, New Jersey, Vermont, and a couple others, with no restrictions.

00:53:02.000 And then I think that he should say, but the people who need to answer the question is they want to get rid of the filibuster to do this.

00:53:10.000 Governor Walz, can you tell us, will you get rid of the filibuster for anything else?

00:53:13.000 Will you get rid of the filibuster to add D.C.

00:53:15.000 and Puerto Rico in the states?

00:53:17.000 That's great.

00:53:17.000 I wouldn't do the statehood one, because that's like, we get that, but I think normies wouldn't say D.C.

00:53:21.000 a state is bad.

00:53:22.000 But that's an escape hatch away from abortion. 1.00

00:53:23.000 I would say amnesty.

00:53:24.000 I would say, would you get rid of the filibuster to do amnesty?

00:53:27.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:53:28.000 So Governor Walz, answer the question to the American people.

00:53:32.000 Can you commit to saying, or not commit, because that's too much of an escape hatch.

00:53:37.000 Will you get rid of the filibuster to give amnesty to illegal aliens?

00:53:43.000 And then just like let him answer.

00:53:45.000 Yeah.

00:53:47.000 Charlie, the other angle on the abortion thing though, and you had this in that original viral tweet, was that he has the most radical abortion laws in the country.

00:53:58.000 So, you know, like every year five to six babies are born alive after a botched abortion in his state And you know, apparently he's okay with that.

00:54:08.000 I mean, that's called infanticide. 0.95

00:54:10.000 And they kill these babies, by the way. 1.00

00:54:12.000 Just so you know, they're born alive and then they kill them anyways. 0.85

00:54:15.000 And one of the most horrifying, disgusting practices in our country, I genuinely believe it's a scourge on our country.

00:54:23.000 It's a spiritual darkness.

00:54:26.000 And I think for J.D.

00:54:27.000 to sort of use Trump's attack vector and say, We're saying let the states decide.

00:54:35.000 You guys are the ones that are killing babies that are born alive.

00:54:38.000 Five to six of them a year. 0.97

00:54:39.000 This is not made up.

00:54:41.000 And you got rid of a provision that said you needed to report that.

00:54:45.000 So now you just want to like sweep it under the rug.

00:54:47.000 You want it to be this quiet secret infanticide and act like it's not happening.

00:54:51.000 And by the way, you also have the most radical trans surgery laws.

00:54:56.000 They think they're like a trans refuge or whatever.

00:55:00.000 Right.

00:55:01.000 So and they're one of those states that, you know, basically teenagers can get their parts chopped off.

00:55:08.000 and not tell their parents.

00:55:10.000 So there's a lot of radical policies in Minnesota.

00:55:15.000 And it's one of these states too, Charlie, and you know this very well,

00:55:18.000 because you kind of know that part of the world.

00:55:19.000 They call it Minnesota nice.

00:55:21.000 And it's guys like Tim Walz that are getting, that are railroading these policies through

00:55:26.000 on a genuinely good people that are just kind of a little too passive for their own good.

00:55:32.000 And the rest of the country is not like that though.

00:55:35.000 They're gonna see and hear these policies.

00:55:37.000 I think it's genuinely radical and will strike the average American as too extreme.

00:55:43.000 I know the type, and it's too bad, that Midwestern nice has turned, inverted, to allow ourselves to be looted and taken advantage of.

00:55:51.000 Minnesota nice always included very strong passive-aggressive elements to it.

00:55:55.000 Totally passive-aggressive.

00:55:56.000 That's why NPR is so popular.

00:55:59.000 NPR is the most passive-aggressive medium ever.

00:56:02.000 Big time.

00:56:04.000 Minnesotans, man.

00:56:04.000 Something I want to throw out.

00:56:06.000 I know that Tim Walz is going to do this because we've seen Guys like that do this again and again and it was a huge part of the DNC and that's the power of story.

00:56:17.000 So he's gonna come with a couple of these abortion stories in his back pocket.

00:56:22.000 He's gonna have stories like that.

00:56:23.000 I would love to hear J.D.

00:56:26.000 Vance, maybe not Go up on stories like that.

00:56:29.000 But we know, for example, that Tim Walz is most definitely going to bring up Springfield, Ohio.

00:56:35.000 He's going to try to use this as an attack line on JD.

00:56:38.000 You know, have a few of those stories in the back pocket with names of individuals.

00:56:43.000 You know, this person that I spoke to on the phone and, you know, they told, you know, she told me this happened to her daughter or this man told me that this happened to his job.

00:56:54.000 And not just, you can't just say, like, a constituent called my office and said this, right?

00:57:01.000 Which, you know, a normal politician would say, but what JD, I think, and I hope will do is actually have, you know, the name.

00:57:09.000 Well, just the first name is fine.

00:57:10.000 I don't have to dox people or whatever.

00:57:12.000 But, you know, something about the description, this age called me up.

00:57:16.000 We had this great conversation.

00:57:18.000 Those are the type of stories that actually leave a lasting impact on people.

00:57:23.000 Because when you're hearing a story psychologically, so it's like, like when Charlie does these tabling events, and I, you know, sort of got to, you know, appear at the one, you know, you're, you're coming to it on both sides, people have their defenses up, they have their, you know, their their facts and figures, they're ready to go.

00:57:39.000 But when you're hearing a story, you enter in a completely different psychological Model of your mind where you're you're in receive mode.

00:57:46.000 You just want to hear someone's story And when we hear stories we we relate to them and we try to interact with them in a way Psychologically where we're putting ourselves if we can as much as we can in the shoes of the person who did it That's why documentaries can be so powerful, etc, etc.

00:58:03.000 It's like Hollywood is so powerful.

00:58:04.000 So I Use that power, J.D.

00:58:07.000 Use the power of story.

00:58:09.000 Use the power of the story of your own background in Middletown, Ohio and how you grew up and what's happened there.

00:58:16.000 Using that power of a story is always going to be J.D.' 's best weapon.

00:58:20.000 I think that's smart.

00:58:21.000 I don't know if we have time to get to the other topics.

00:58:24.000 Are you sure?

00:58:25.000 We could pick one of them.

00:58:27.000 What do we have left?

00:58:27.000 Well, we could do Mark Cuban and just his adventures.

00:58:30.000 Well, the question is, you know, is Mark Cuban missing a chromosome?

00:58:32.000 That's the question that people have been asking.

00:58:34.000 I guess we could finish the topic right now because the answer is yes, right?

00:58:37.000 I don't know.

00:58:39.000 What's the next?

00:58:40.000 Well, there's the New York Times tech union demanding no more scented products, among other things.

00:58:47.000 That's really good.

00:58:47.000 That's better than Cuban.

00:58:48.000 In their big thing.

00:58:50.000 And then also, there was like, they might try to bring back Jurassic Park, but for woolly mammoths.

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00:59:47.000 Okay, very quickly, scented products, because that is a rich topic.

00:59:51.000 Okay, so give me one sec.

00:59:52.000 I have to bring up the New York Times demand list here.

00:59:58.000 I got a list of demands written on the palm of my hand.

01:00:00.000 So it's their tech staff basically has threatened to strike during election day.

01:00:05.000 So it's their tech union.

01:00:06.000 New York Times is quite a big company, actually.

01:00:09.000 And so they've issued a list of demands, and it includes... They've been battling for a contract for two years here.

01:00:17.000 Wow.

01:00:17.000 600!

01:00:18.000 600 software engineers are in this union.

01:00:20.000 New York Times.

01:00:22.000 The left has some very large media organs, is all I can say.

01:00:26.000 How many people total work at, I don't know, like the Daily Wire?

01:00:29.000 100?

01:00:30.000 200 maybe?

01:00:32.000 And anyway, let me see here.

01:00:34.000 Dang it, can one of you get me the link to this?

01:00:36.000 I'm trying to find just the list.

01:00:37.000 So they didn't want scented products.

01:00:39.000 I can only imagine what else they wanted.

01:00:41.000 They want pet bereavement leave. 0.68

01:00:44.000 So if your pet dies?

01:00:45.000 Yeah, like if Sparky dies, you get to take time off your pet funeral.

01:00:51.000 Sparky! 0.59

01:00:51.000 No! 0.59

01:00:52.000 Hopefully Sparky uses Rough Greens.

01:00:54.000 They want a four-day work week.

01:00:56.000 They want annual bonuses that are not tethered to performance.

01:01:02.000 Of course want a big hike in pay.

01:01:04.000 Unlimited break time.

01:01:07.000 Unlimited.

01:01:09.000 Mandatory trigger warnings in company meetings.

01:01:11.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

01:01:13.000 They want more money for non-white staff to attend conferences.

01:01:18.000 And they want language that would prioritize non-citizens of the U.S.

01:01:24.000 here on visas in the case of layoffs.

01:01:26.000 So if there's layoffs, you can't fire the people who are non-citizens because they might have to leave America as a result. 0.66

01:01:32.000 And of course, a ban on scented products in break rooms.

01:01:36.000 I love that one.

01:01:37.000 So this is just the tech union or all unions?

01:01:40.000 It is the tech union.

01:01:41.000 What does that represent?

01:01:42.000 So the New York Times I think has a journalist union and like a tech staff union.

01:01:46.000 So the people that actually like populate the website?

01:01:50.000 Uh, like the people who write, yeah, and then the people who kind of make all their, I assume, all their graphics, keep the website up, yeah.

01:01:55.000 I mean, New York Times has some impressive tech.

01:01:57.000 Like, when, I'll, full confession here, when we're covering election night, I am using the New York Times website to track everything.

01:02:04.000 They're amazing.

01:02:05.000 I have no disagreement with that.

01:02:07.000 And, so they're very talented people, so maybe they have the right to abolish scented products in their... I really want to know the origin of that.

01:02:15.000 There's something funny in 2015. Do you remember when there was all those campus protests fall 2015?

01:02:20.000 And they were all this issuing these lists of demands and I was covering education at the Daily Caller

01:02:25.000 And I'd love to read them because a lot would have there's usually like standard demands that everyone had and then

01:02:32.000 some schools There were these bespoke demands that was clearly someone

01:02:36.000 on making the list had an axe to grind Like, I remember one, they were really mad about the instruction of jazz music at the school, and so it was clearly one specific music student who was angry at one specific professor, so their demand list was, this professor has to go away and not be mean to me, and also we need to change the entire music department.

01:03:00.000 I feel like this is a lot like that.

01:03:02.000 They probably have scented candles in the break room and someone really, really hated it.

01:03:08.000 Gotta ban it, Charlie.

01:03:09.000 Ban it forever.

01:03:10.000 So I've actually talked with some of the reporters at New York Times about this,

01:03:15.000 and they're part of the union or the guild rather.

01:03:18.000 And there is definitely divide between the young guild members and the older ones. 0.95

01:03:23.000 And the older ones think these, like kids are insane. 0.98

01:03:27.000 They think they're patently insane.

01:03:29.000 So there's actually kind of a really intense tug of war going on inside the guild.

01:03:34.000 I don't know how it plays out with these, the tech side specifically,

01:03:38.000 but it's not uniform.

01:03:42.000 I actually have a lot of respect for a lot of the reporters at New York Times.

01:03:46.000 Having worked with them directly, I will tell you, they are head and shoulders above some of the other publications.

01:03:52.000 The main publications, they're pretty transparent.

01:03:55.000 They tell you kind of where they're going.

01:03:57.000 They play by the rules.

01:03:58.000 Their ethics are phenomenal.

01:04:00.000 A lot of the other outlets, they'll throw you curveballs.

01:04:02.000 By the way, the worst, AP. 0.91

01:04:05.000 AP is the absolute, A dumpster bin of all publications.

01:04:10.000 People think it's a wire. 0.99

01:04:11.000 It's actually disgusting and worse.

01:04:13.000 And so, uh, you know, I think these are hilarious, but I will say in the New York Times defense, it's run by leftists.

01:04:20.000 It's a leftist point of view.

01:04:21.000 Uh, but at least they play by the rules.

01:04:23.000 Journalistically.

01:04:24.000 Um, can't really speak to the tech guys.

01:04:27.000 I will just, I just wanted to put that out there.

01:04:29.000 AP is the worst.

01:04:30.000 All right.

01:04:31.000 We have to run everybody.

01:04:32.000 And, um, remember no scented products this weekend.

01:04:34.000 Not even here?

01:04:35.000 Well, we can have them here.

01:04:37.000 Excellent.

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01:04:45.000 Guys, we are like 40 to 39 days out.

01:04:48.000 It's about to really get intense.

01:04:51.000 It's been like we've been waiting.

01:04:52.000 We're about to enter the frenzy.

01:04:54.000 It's about to get really, really interesting.

01:04:58.000 We're gonna hear for all of it.

01:04:59.000 Civilization will be decided.

01:05:00.000 I just realized that we should have been... I've decided that you may or may be tomorrow.

01:05:04.000 Maybe tomorrow on Human Events, we can just do like, hi, welcome to Human Events Daily.

01:05:08.000 This is Jack Posobiec.

01:05:10.000 We're here.

01:05:10.000 It's a really contentious election.

01:05:12.000 It's just so funny hearing Charlie being like, it's going to get really contentious, guys, where a lot, everything's all hell's going to break loose.

01:05:18.000 My voice will be back.

01:05:19.000 Like the softest, nicest voice.

01:05:21.000 It will return.

01:05:22.000 I shall return, as Douglas MacArthur famously said.

01:05:25.000 I want the fire breath back.

01:05:28.000 Fire breather, Charlie.

01:05:29.000 You don't want me talking about the fire, Charlie.

01:05:31.000 Just give it a couple of days.

01:05:32.000 Talk to you soon.

01:05:33.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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01:05:37.000 Thanks so much for listening.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - September 28, 2024

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 57 — Did Diddy Do It? Vance Debate Strat? New York Times Smell Ban?

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