The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 58 — Pete Rose, Hall of Fame? The Best Burger? Mansplaining?

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00:01:24.000 Okay, everybody, welcome to Thought Crime Thursday.

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00:01:37.000 We begin tonight by talking about mansplaining.

00:01:41.000 What is it? Who wants to define it as we are for men mansplaining to the audience right now?

00:01:47.000 Blake, explain what is mansplaining and why we're supposed to care about this.

00:01:50.000 All right. Hey, Charlie.

00:01:52.000 Well, obviously the reason we're talking about it is it's now been two days since the presidential debate, or the vice presidential debate, J.D. Vance versus Tim Walls.

00:02:01.000 I think the general consensus is our boy J.D. crushed it.

00:02:04.000 He won pretty big.

00:02:06.000 We talked about that on Tuesday night, of course.

00:02:08.000 But the follow-up that we're getting, the sort of cope from the left about why...

00:02:14.000 It was not a disaster.

00:02:15.000 Actually, Vance lost.

00:02:16.000 They're saying that JD mansplained too much.

00:02:21.000 He was too much of a mansplainer.

00:02:23.000 That's not okay.

00:02:25.000 All the women watching are going to be turned off, and they're going to go rush to vote for the Tim Walls ticket. 0.92

00:02:32.000 You can find this in a few spots.

00:02:35.000 I think probably the most direct one was Nicole Wallace at MSNBC claims that Vance was mansplaining when he did that bit where he was explaining how you can download a phone app and use the app to just illegally enter America on parole and go to Springfield or Charleroy, Pennsylvania or Wherever you want, because that's how you can just legally get into America.

00:03:00.000 As long as you have basically nothing to offer, then we're happy to let you in.

00:03:04.000 But that was mansplaining.

00:03:05.000 So mansplaining, of course, bigger picture is, as the name implies, is the idea that men sort of...

00:03:15.000 In a patronizing way or an irritating way will explain things to women that women don't need explained to them or that women even know better than men already. 0.78

00:03:26.000 It's the sort of thing you see a lot of unhappy women on the internet complain about a lot. 1.00

00:03:31.000 If you've been online, you've been hearing people complain about this for years on end.

00:03:36.000 I think I remember running into it when I was in college even.

00:03:40.000 So that was 15 years ago.

00:03:42.000 I'm getting old. I'm going to die.

00:03:44.000 And you see it more and more.

00:03:48.000 And Charlie actually had a very good tweet about it just earlier this week where he points out that, yeah, I guess in theory there can be a guy who tediously over-explains things.

00:04:00.000 But the real truth is, is like for a lot of people, it's like, this is what you tweeted, Charlie.

00:04:06.000 Complaints about mansplaining are, just cope, that low IQ, insecure, medicated, this is a very important part, medicated liberal women used to shut men up. 1.00

00:04:17.000 Prove me wrong. And no one could prove you wrong because you probably didn't even read the replies.

00:04:23.000 Well, let's play the tape in question, right?

00:04:26.000 Let's play this. Play cut 112.

00:04:29.000 And I actually think if you're a woman, that might be the worst moment J.D. Vance had because he was going to mansplain right over that mute button.

00:04:39.000 And again, I don't pretend to know how everyone will react to this.

00:04:43.000 I think that a lot of women in positions of authority that should command respect just by virtue of that dynamic will see themselves and some dude that disrespected them and talked over. 1.00

00:04:53.000 I mean, there was a moment like that with the vice presidential in the Harris-Pence debate.

00:04:59.000 You know, I have to say, just, you know, kind of a meta, before I get into the direct response, sort of from a meta perspective, this really is the first time where two debates in a row, now one presidential, one vice presidential, we've had one man versus three women.

00:05:14.000 So, you know, of course, you had President Trump, Kamala Harris, Lindsay Davis, and Davey Muir.

00:05:21.000 And this time around, you've got the two female moderators, Tammy Walls and J.D. Vance. 1.00

00:05:29.000 Basically, this has become, like most of wokeism, I kind of feel like this mansplaining gripe is really just a cope.

00:05:38.000 So it's a cope that when you know you're wrong, when you know that you've been proven wrong, and you realize that you don't actually have any facts of the situation, and you don't have the ability to respond on a factual or legitimate basis, what you do then is exactly what this moderator did.

00:05:57.000 In the instance where not only does she like keep talking over JD while he's trying to explain his point, which again, by the way, in a political debate, that's what you're trying to do.

00:06:06.000 You're trying to explain what your positions are and the role of like, like if you were like, if journalism was real or journalists were real journalists, that you'd be attempting to tease the true information out of the candidates.

00:06:18.000 Whereas what she does is she doesn't like his stance.

00:06:21.000 So she talks over him.

00:06:22.000 Then he doesn't stop talking, which then they claim is mansplaining.

00:06:26.000 And because he's trying to make his point and explain what he means, she doesn't like that, so she actually turns off his microphone, which is just, I gotta say, that's sort of like the ultimate girlbossing move.

00:06:39.000 And you notice, by the way, that throughout the rest of the debate, they haven't, they didn't really do that afterwards.

00:06:47.000 So I wonder if she got pulled aside in the break or something like that, because that was just, I think she lost a lot of credibility in that moment.

00:06:54.000 Let's play the clip in question here.

00:06:56.000 Let's play 96. Let's play cut 96.

00:06:59.000 Thank you. Senator, we have so much to get to.

00:07:01.000 Margaret, I think it's important because...

00:07:03.000 We're going to turn out of the economy.

00:07:04.000 Thank you. Margaret, the rules were that you guys weren't going to fact check.

00:07:07.000 And since you're fact checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on.

00:07:11.000 So there's an application called the CBP One App, where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply for parole, and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand.

00:07:26.000 That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card and waiting for 10 years.

00:07:30.000 That is the facilitation of a legal immigration, Margaret, by our own leadership.

00:07:33.000 Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process.

00:07:37.000 We have so much to get to, Senator.

00:07:39.000 We have so much to get to. Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process.

00:07:44.000 It's like if America was a giant middle school.

00:07:49.000 Andrew, what was your take on this?

00:07:51.000 My take on this is pretty simple.

00:07:53.000 I think this is all toxic femininity. 1.00

00:07:57.000 I think that this is wine mom culture gone wrong, gone awry, and that it's...

00:08:04.000 J.D. was beating up on them so badly that Nicole Wallace had a freakout that night thinking that all hope was lost and she was trying to spin and paddle her legs under the water to try and right the ship.

00:08:17.000 There's no writing what happened last night.

00:08:19.000 I mean, there was even a Washington Post published this where, you know, a bunch of undecided voters, I mean, J.D. Vance We took this thing and ran away with it last night and was one of the most lopsided victories in presidential or vice presidential history.

00:08:37.000 And everybody on the left knows it.

00:08:38.000 And I think this is a female cope that needs to be called out because it's actually, as one of our people said, Charlie, that we were on a chat together, women actually, women's plan over men far more often and far more aggressively And so, yeah, he was a total gentleman. 0.64

00:08:59.000 But, like, there's a bunch of hypocrisy in this discussion.

00:09:02.000 And the fact that this word, mansplaining, popped back on the internet this week because of Nicole Wallace is a really disgusting fact of modern life.

00:09:11.000 It's also just so out of the nomenclature.

00:09:14.000 Jack, continue. Yeah, no, it's like...

00:09:17.000 And I'm sure all of us on this stream, and Tyler, if he were here, would probably say the same thing, that it kind of goes back to everyone...

00:09:26.000 In school, that if you were someone who did well in school, or if you were someone who just, even if you didn't do on test, if you just understood the material or something, it's one of those situations where, you know, it's like, you know, the right answer to whatever the subject is, but the teacher's got the teacher edition and the teacher edition has the wrong answer in it.

00:09:45.000 And JD is the kid in the class who's saying, no, I think the teacher's addition is wrong.

00:09:50.000 And the teacher's getting mad at him and the teacher is snapping at him, is criticizing him, telling him to sit down, punishing him, admonishing him with these administrative, you know, sort of judicial procedures that they have at their fingertips.

00:10:06.000 When in actuality, you know, you could go After the class and look and it turns out that, oh wait, the teacher's edition did have a misprint in it.

00:10:15.000 So rather than listen to the student who is focused on learning through trying to understand the issues and trying to understand what's actually going on, instead the teacher, and you saw this throughout the debate, this is kind of like the sort of meta-narrative of the debate where JD Vance is doing what they call the folk wisdom or the common sense wisdom, I think was the word he said.

00:10:37.000 Uh, as opposed to the experts and the PhDs, which, you know, and it's a whole nother discussion, but they did the exact same thing when they talked about the hurricane.

00:10:47.000 And rather than talk about the people who are currently in the, uh, in the path of the hurricane, who have had, who are in the aftermath of it, who are dealing with that, that are in harm's way, who need relief.

00:10:57.000 They didn't sit there and say, oh, let's, let's put out the, you know, websites where people can donate money or something.

00:11:03.000 No, they said, oh, no, this is climate change.

00:11:06.000 Try to suck them into a debate on that, again, predicated on these expert statements.

00:11:10.000 So it was a situation where someone used an administrative position to try to exert force over someone who just simply was correct and had command of the facts and command of the details.

00:11:22.000 You know what I just realized, Charlie, is that your tweet was so right on during the debate where you said JD Vance is dominating over three of the three women on stage, did like millions of engagement, and you were making a joke about Tim Walz.

00:11:35.000 But what I just realized is that this is all a very underhanded insult to the masculinity of Tim Walz.

00:11:42.000 What the women are basically saying is that Tim Walz couldn't hold his own on that stage, needed these women to sort of put JD J.D. Vance in check.

00:11:51.000 It's all a backhanded insult to Tim Walz.

00:11:58.000 He couldn't hang on the stage.

00:12:00.000 They tried to bail out their beta male on stage, and J.D. just bowled right through it. 0.79

00:12:06.000 So it's mansplaining.

00:12:08.000 It's mansplaining to three women. 1.00

00:12:09.000 Totally pathetic. Speaking of trying to bail out Walz, there's some really funny stuff they've done. 0.99

00:12:17.000 Politico did this, they did sort of a body language analysis of the debate,

00:12:23.000 except what they said was like manifestly insane.

00:12:26.000 So first of all, when they were assessing Vance, their take was, I'm going to read

00:12:31.000 it here, yes, Vance's beard matters.

00:12:34.000 Vance is the first White House wannabe president or vice president

00:12:38.000 to have facial hair in 80 years.

00:12:40.000 Research indicates that voters see beards as more masculine.

00:12:45.000 That can be positive to some, but to others, especially women, it can be 0.99

00:12:50.000 negative, conveying aggression and opposition to feminist ideals.

00:12:56.000 And then, this is even crazier.

00:12:58.000 They have, for Walls, with his bulging eyes like a lunatic, it says, Eye-popping can sometimes be a sign of surprise, but for Walls, it simply revealed his emotional intensity, like during an exchange about abortion.

00:13:18.000 The dynamic and emphatic facial motion grabs the viewer's attention.

00:13:23.000 For Walls, it gave extra weight to his feelings and held our gaze.

00:13:29.000 And what I love is they have it zoomed in.

00:13:31.000 If you're watching, you can see it there.

00:13:32.000 They have it zoomed in right on his eyes.

00:13:34.000 And there's a test out there that you can take that they give to adults.

00:13:41.000 And it's a way of testing whether someone is on the autism spectrum.

00:13:44.000 And the way they do it is they show just a person's kind of eye area.

00:13:48.000 And they ask you, what emotion are they expressing?

00:13:52.000 And it can be shock. It can be attraction.

00:13:54.000 It can be horror. Things like that.

00:13:57.000 And I can guarantee you that if they had that set of eyes and you said that this was showing passion, you would not score well on this quiz.

00:14:09.000 So they're doing a lot of heavy lifting over at Politico.

00:14:12.000 Can you imagine if the roles were reversed and that was J.D. Vance's face and what they would be saying about it?

00:14:18.000 They wouldn't be using the word passion.

00:14:20.000 They would be scared, intimidated, incompetent.

00:14:24.000 The double standard is pretty infuriating.

00:14:27.000 I think we talked about this before when we were getting into the Tim Walls pick a couple weeks ago when he was chosen over Josh Shapiro.

00:14:35.000 I can't imagine why it was the Democrats did that.

00:14:39.000 But there's this idea that Tim Walls is the man that the Democrats want you to be.

00:14:51.000 This is the mode they want you in.

00:14:54.000 He's been in the military for decades, and yet he's still just vastly overweight and unwell.

00:14:59.000 And he's only 60, by the way, folks.

00:15:02.000 There are lots of 60-year-olds out there that are way better looking than that guy.

00:15:06.000 I mean, he looks just unhealthy.

00:15:08.000 He looks very unhealthy.

00:15:10.000 He's also very timid.

00:15:13.000 He's very shy.

00:15:15.000 He's unsure of himself.

00:15:16.000 He's scared. He's nervous.

00:15:18.000 This is the 90s male who's in touch with his feelings.

00:15:23.000 This was that whole thing they used to push back then, the new male that they want, the metrosexual male, 0.99

00:15:30.000 which you could kind of see a little bit.

00:15:32.000 And there was this idea, I think, that no dude is ever gonna want to follow that guy.

00:15:39.000 That's why they're so terrified about this.

00:15:42.000 And keep in mind, when we talked about this when he first picked as well, this was the guy they were trying to tell us was the epitome of masculinity.

00:15:49.000 Remember the new face of masculinity?

00:15:50.000 Doug Emhoff and Tim Walz and all the camo stuff and the Hicklib stuff.

00:15:55.000 We have that. We have that.

00:15:58.000 Oh, we have the clip? Yeah, yeah, let's play the clip.

00:16:00.000 This is Jen Psaki saying Doug Emhoff has reshaped our model masculinity or something like that.

00:16:10.000 131. Talked about your role here.

00:16:12.000 How your role has reshaped the perception of masculinity.

00:16:16.000 And I'm not sure you planned on that, but you are an incredibly supportive spouse.

00:16:20.000 Has that been an evolution for you?

00:16:22.000 And do you think that's part of the role you might play as first gentleman?

00:16:26.000 It's funny. I've started to think a lot about this.

00:16:29.000 I've always been like this.

00:16:31.000 My dad was like this.

00:16:32.000 And to me, it's...

00:16:34.000 I've always been like this.

00:16:37.000 That's the most emasculating clip I've ever seen of a man on network television in my life since, like, you know, Jussie Smollett or something.

00:16:45.000 Like, that's just really hard to watch.

00:16:47.000 But this is the version of the man that they want.

00:16:49.000 They don't want one that is self-confident, assertive, that is willing to go in the wilderness and stand up for truth and for justice.

00:16:58.000 One that is subservient, one that is rule-following, even when the rules are not rooted in wisdom or prudence.

00:17:05.000 And J.D. Vance, I thought, was terrific.

00:17:07.000 He is the type of man that you want your son to be.

00:17:10.000 I thought it was excellent. Well, good.

00:17:13.000 Well, now Doug Emhoff, by the way.

00:17:15.000 I was going to say, funny enough, after that, so I showed, you know, do you have that, do we have that side-by-side again of JD and Tim Walz?

00:17:22.000 Just the one where it's like the, you know, he's doing the gym from the office, side-eyes to the camera.

00:17:28.000 Can we throw that up? There it is. So I showed this to my son just randomly.

00:17:33.000 I was up in New York, and then we got home, and after the debate, I was showing him this, and he knows who JD Vance is.

00:17:41.000 He's going to JD Vance events, and...

00:17:44.000 And I showed him to him walls, and he just goes, Dad, ew!

00:17:49.000 It's so gross! 0.60

00:17:51.000 He's so bald! 0.97

00:17:54.000 He's so weird!

00:17:56.000 And to be fair, he has met Blake, and he didn't have that kind of reaction.

00:18:02.000 Okay, alright.

00:18:05.000 No, Blake, you remember meeting Jack-Jack?

00:18:07.000 He was definitely not, like, all grossed out by you.

00:18:11.000 Or if he was, he kept- I'll take the wins that I can.

00:18:13.000 I'll take the wins I can. Yeah, take not being all grossed out by you.

00:18:18.000 But yeah, like, a six-year-old had that unique, that, like, natural response of just revulsion to seeing Tim Walz and be like, this guy is, like, something's just weird with him.

00:18:28.000 But then he looks at JD like, oh, that guy's funny.

00:18:30.000 Like, I would watch his YouTube channel or whatever.

00:18:32.000 Excuse me, excuse me, his Rumble channel.

00:18:34.000 So we have to finish the loop here, though, because Doug Emhoff is now the subject of allegations for slapping his girlfriend after she apparently talks to another gentleman.

00:18:46.000 So that's not good.

00:18:49.000 What are all the details of this, though?

00:18:51.000 Yeah, we've actually got the...

00:18:53.000 Here. We'll pull them up.

00:18:56.000 Apparently his girlfriend at the time...

00:18:58.000 This is after impregnating the nanny in 2009.

00:19:01.000 This was in 2012.

00:19:03.000 She was talking to another gentleman, he didn't like it, and he slapped her.

00:19:07.000 And these allegations are just coming out now.

00:19:09.000 It's a Daily Mail exclusive.

00:19:15.000 It's forcefully slapped ex-girlfriend for flirting with another man and booze-fueled assault after date to star-studded gala.

00:19:24.000 So, this is in May 2012 at the Cannes Film Festival in France.

00:19:30.000 One of her friends told DailyMail.com that the woman called him immediately after the incident sobbing in her car and described the alleged assault.

00:19:39.000 DailyMail.com is not naming the woman who is a successful New York attorney but will refer to her by the pseudonym Jane.

00:19:45.000 A second friend said Jane, who had been dating Emhoff for three months, also told her about the alleged violence at the time.

00:19:52.000 A third friend told DailyMail So, yeah. And there's a picture of Doug with this woman.

00:20:15.000 So he not only knocked up the nanny, slapped his girlfriend drunk in France, and now he's getting emasculated.

00:20:23.000 Yeah, go ahead. Wait, so my time...

00:20:27.000 I'm actually trying to hold the timeline together as you go through it.

00:20:30.000 So this was after he had the nanny get the abortion, and that's when they broke up with his first wife, and that's why he's single and he's got this string of girlfriends that he's beating?

00:20:42.000 Yes. Okay, so he starts off with knocking up the nanny, makes her get the abortion, then he has the girlfriend that he beats up in France, and then he has another girlfriend between her and Kamala Harris?

00:20:55.000 Yeah, it sounds like this was in 2012, and then allegedly he got on a blind date.

00:20:59.000 But then he said there was another one in 2014.

00:21:01.000 Kamala on a blind date in 2013.

00:21:03.000 That's the story. In 2013, but maybe they weren't like totally together then, because this...

00:21:08.000 I remember, by the way, also that, you know, the timeline never works up whenever they talk about Kamala Harris and Doug Emhoff, because I remember when the ex-wife, who was the mother of the kids, came out in response to the whole the JD, the cat lady thing, and they were...

00:21:24.000 She was saying like, oh, she's been a wonderful mother to the kids.

00:21:27.000 And it's like, when exactly was she the mother to the kids?

00:21:31.000 Because after the 90, then you've got the girlfriend in 2012, you've got the girlfriend in 2014.

00:21:36.000 They don't meet until this blind date that's much later.

00:21:39.000 They were grown.

00:21:41.000 They're well grown at that point.

00:21:43.000 They have not actually been together that long.

00:21:46.000 And think about it, she's AG, she's district attorney in San Francisco, AG in California, runs for Senate 2018, runs for president, president in 2019, becomes vice president.

00:21:57.000 This woman has been full-time campaigning and politicking basically their entire relationship. 1.00

00:22:02.000 So I'm sorry, there wasn't a whole lot of family time.

00:22:05.000 Yeah. But yeah, it was...

00:22:07.000 You could throw up this time, and this is from NWokeness.

00:22:11.000 It's 2009, impregnated his child's nanny.

00:22:14.000 2012, physically assaulted his girlfriend.

00:22:17.000 2023, lectures us on toxic masculinity.

00:22:20.000 2024, hailed for redefining masculinity.

00:22:23.000 And that leaps out the fact that he made the nanny get an abortion.

00:22:26.000 That's not even in the timeline. Do we know that that's true?

00:22:28.000 Or do people just presume that?

00:22:29.000 Because there's no kid that we know of.

00:22:32.000 Oh, I thought it was in the head.

00:22:34.000 I mean, I thought it was factual.

00:22:35.000 I could be totally wrong. I'm pretty sure that came out.

00:22:37.000 Yeah, I could stand totally corrected there, but based on everything I read, it seemed pretty...

00:22:44.000 I see pretty central to the narrative there.

00:22:48.000 Charlie's like, I did not agree to live fact-checking.

00:22:52.000 But I will go with it anyway.

00:22:53.000 People try to go to me all the time on camp.

00:22:55.000 You know, I got to be honest. The most annoying thing is when a kid comes up and starts trying live fact-checking you in the campus debate, which is why I try not to argue about, like, studies and stuff.

00:23:05.000 I try to argue about broad-picture morals.

00:23:09.000 I come up and I say, you know, houses are more expensive than they were under Donald Trump.

00:23:14.000 Really? I'm going to look that up.

00:23:15.000 I'm like, that's... Really?

00:23:17.000 Okay, sure. Like, this is...

00:23:18.000 Yes, they were.

00:23:20.000 It's self-evident. So here's the story of the abortion.

00:23:25.000 The second gentleman reportedly strayed from then-wife Pearson over a decade and a half ago with a blonde nanny, Najin Naylor, who taught at a private school attended by their two kids.

00:23:37.000 Naylor did not keep the baby.

00:23:40.000 A close friend with direct knowledge of the affair in pregnancy told the Daily Mail.

00:23:44.000 It says it's unclear exactly what the friend meant, so it could be adoption, but yeah, abortion's the most likely.

00:23:51.000 Yeah. Hours after the outlet, Emhoff admitted having an affair in a statement to CNN. That's some wild stuff.

00:24:00.000 This is what the friend wants men to be, I guess.

00:24:03.000 Wearing a fanny pack, being emasculated on network television, beating their girlfriends, impregnating nannies, getting abortions. 0.51

00:24:12.000 This is the left. They ruin everything they touch.

00:24:18.000 No, she's noteworthy in some respect.

00:24:21.000 And she's now an executive at Audible, the e-book company.

00:24:26.000 She's an executive at Audible?

00:24:27.000 That's what it says on the New York Post article.

00:24:29.000 An Asian Naylor is now an executive at Audible.

00:24:32.000 Do you think that, I mean, this is a legitimate question, and it's worthy of, do you think Kamala Harris and Doug Emhoff actually have a romantic relationship?

00:24:39.000 They don't even live together, apparently.

00:24:41.000 They live on different posts. Or do you think it's kind of like a Hillary, Bill Clinton thing?

00:24:45.000 I mean, they married late enough.

00:24:46.000 I mean, that's what we're getting at. That's what we're getting at.

00:24:48.000 Like, I don't know.

00:24:49.000 I don't know that it's like a total Shan marriage, but maybe it is. 1.00

00:24:53.000 Like, it might be... You know, when people are in their 50s, they seek different things from companionship, I guess.

00:24:59.000 But, like, they obviously didn't get married to have kids, so...

00:25:02.000 Look, look, it's...

00:25:03.000 I'm just gonna say it, okay?

00:25:05.000 It really looks, and I think what everybody's kind of thinking, we're all sort of dancing around it, it looks as though Kamala Harris...

00:25:11.000 wanted to run for president and she knew that the one thing that she lacked was a husband and kids and she was like this is one more stepping stone that while I was running around and running for all these different offices and you know campaigning etc that I just never got around to so let me just check this box and you know I'm sure that she and Doug get along just fine I don't think they have any issues between the two of them I certainly hope that he's not beating her But it's clearly a marriage of ambition, if you will. And that happens all the time.

00:25:50.000 I mean, this is a very common thing.

00:25:53.000 I could rattle off four or five that we know of confirmed situations like that.

00:25:59.000 So it's not like that's unusual.

00:26:01.000 Blake was about to be an arranged marriage.

00:26:04.000 It's highly common. I don't know if people know that.

00:26:06.000 Members of Congress? Probably 10% of members of Congress are basically just arrangements.

00:26:12.000 But what was interesting is that in Blake's arranged marriage, he actually rejected it.

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00:27:22.000 Pete Rose, Charlie.

00:27:25.000 We're gonna talk about... You go first, Blake.

00:27:26.000 Introduce the audience. Who is you?

00:27:28.000 What's the significance? Who introduces...

00:27:29.000 Okay, people know who Pete Rose is.

00:27:31.000 Okay, for anyone who doesn't know, Pete Rose...

00:27:33.000 You'd be surprised. Pete Rose is an all-time baseball legend.

00:27:38.000 There have been many thousands of people who have played professional baseball.

00:27:41.000 Pete Rose has the most hits out of all of them.

00:27:45.000 He had... I think about 4,200, I think.

00:27:49.000 Let's see. Total hits.

00:27:51.000 Let's see. Yeah, 4,256 hits in his career.

00:27:56.000 That's more than anyone else.

00:27:58.000 But he is not in the Hall of Fame because...

00:28:01.000 In the 1980s, he was caught betting on baseball games.

00:28:06.000 That is a big no-no.

00:28:08.000 Famously, there is a rule posted in every single clubhouse in Major League Baseball that you cannot bet on baseball games.

00:28:16.000 And if you do, you will be declared permanently ineligible, which is banned from baseball for life.

00:28:22.000 So he was caught doing that.

00:28:23.000 He got banned for life.

00:28:25.000 He is not in the Hall of Fame.

00:28:27.000 He died earlier this week at the age of 83, and of course, that is going to reignite the perennial debate, which is, they were having this multiple times while he was alive, should he be admitted to the Hall of Fame despite the scandal?

00:28:42.000 Yes. Why do you think so, Charlie?

00:28:45.000 All right, here we go. Okay, so Blake, first of all, understand that the context of when he was betting, betting was way less scrutinized than it is today.

00:28:54.000 Yes, it was illegal, but a lot of players had connections to gambling back then.

00:28:58.000 And the severity of the ban on betting wasn't clearly as understood, and a lot of players and managers did it.

00:29:04.000 Now, yes, it was wrong.

00:29:05.000 It was against the rules, but it was not unique in the, let's say, the context of that era.

00:29:10.000 Okay, that's number one. Number two...

00:29:13.000 Can we agree, Blake?

00:29:14.000 He was... Go ahead.

00:29:16.000 We haven't explained why he was banned.

00:29:18.000 Yeah, we did. He was caught betting on baseball.

00:29:21.000 Well, I mean, fair, fair.

00:29:23.000 But I mean, like, we didn't really go into what it was.

00:29:26.000 It wasn't just betting. It was betting on his own games.

00:29:28.000 Like, that was the real thing.

00:29:29.000 Like, while he was a manager, not just a player.

00:29:32.000 So it wasn't just betting in general.

00:29:34.000 Well, let's let Charlie finish his whole bit.

00:29:38.000 Yeah. I have a whole, like, catechism, not catechism, liturgy here.

00:29:43.000 Yeah, I'm just trying to think of people that have no background info, that's all.

00:29:47.000 Sure. So that's the second point, is that when he was investigated for gambling by both the federal government, MLB, and later ESPN, he was never found to be gambling against his team.

00:29:59.000 He only ever was discovered to be gambling against We're good to go.

00:30:23.000 And by the way, we know this because Pete...

00:30:26.000 Yeah, and this is important because there is not an instance where Pete Rose was never on the field where he was not the most hustle, like, ridiculous, over-the-top player, right, Andrew?

00:30:37.000 He was called Charlie Hustle for a reason.

00:30:39.000 If this guy was ever throwing a game...

00:30:41.000 Show me an instance when Pete Rose ever threw a game, okay?

00:30:44.000 This guy is the all-time hits leader in baseball.

00:30:47.000 He is the most games ever played.

00:30:49.000 And even Blake would agree objectively, like, an unprecedented achievement in the sport, right?

00:30:54.000 Like, literally unprecedented.

00:30:56.000 The records that he set were just remarkable.

00:30:59.000 Impact on the game, as I mentioned, Charlie Hustle was, you know, his name, and it wasn't like he was a player that was known to kind of, like, leave early or not put in the work, or he was someone that was kind of like a sloppy drunk that was constantly, you know, making suspicious, let's just say, like, at-bats late in games, right?

00:31:21.000 There's no evidence of that whatsoever, right?

00:31:24.000 Andrew, do you understand what I'm detailing here?

00:31:26.000 Where it wasn't as if he had a reputation for being...

00:31:29.000 There was a slip in his career where it was very obvious that he wasn't himself.

00:31:35.000 He was always 10 out of 10, completely invested in the game.

00:31:39.000 Finally, after Rose was banned from Major League Baseball, banned completely, Rose has expressed remorse for his actions and he sought to engage in every way possible to try to reconcile for it.

00:31:51.000 And finally, this is very, very important, is the subjectivity of the punishment against Pete Rose is disgusting.

00:31:57.000 The enforcement of Major League Baseball's gambling policy has always been inconsistent.

00:32:01.000 And so the point that I want to get at here is that he objectively from his career deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, no doubt.

00:32:09.000 He never bet in a way that impacted the game that we know of.

00:32:12.000 In fact, I would make the argument, Blake thinks it's a silly argument, I think it's a good argument, that every single day you are betting on yourself in baseball.

00:32:20.000 By showing up, you are betting on yourself.

00:32:22.000 By definition, you are betting on yourself to get a better contract.

00:32:25.000 You are betting on yourself to try and hit the bonuses to try to make the playoffs.

00:32:30.000 Yes, this should not be legal to go to off You know, off-street betting and gambling.

00:32:35.000 But if the evidence, Blake, was to say that he was hedging against himself to lose, totally get that.

00:32:41.000 And finally, and I think most importantly, is that Pete Rose then became an advocate and a vocal advocate for changing all the issues and rules around gambling.

00:32:50.000 So should he be in the Hall of Fame?

00:32:52.000 The dude is 83 years old and now dead, actually.

00:32:55.000 And the punishment is way worse than the crime.

00:32:58.000 The... Pete Rose changed the game and his accomplishments in general.

00:33:04.000 It could have been this amazing redemption arc of somebody that made a bunch of mistakes.

00:33:08.000 He was remorseful for it.

00:33:10.000 He sought reconciliation.

00:33:11.000 And his impact on America's sport, America's pastime, was...

00:33:17.000 Irrefutable. That is my case.

00:33:19.000 That is my liturgy. Feel free to discuss.

00:33:21.000 I want to add two really important facts to the Pete Rose case too that no one ever talks about with Pete Rose.

00:33:27.000 One, he voluntarily accepted the ban.

00:33:32.000 I'll respond to that.

00:33:34.000 Nobody ever talks about he voluntarily accepted the ban.

00:33:38.000 He brokered a deal with the MLB. The MLB at the time had an interim commissioner.

00:33:44.000 So the commissioner at the time was interim.

00:33:46.000 After making the decision or accepting the voluntary response, the rules at the MLB were that he could reapply to get back into the MLB after it was like a year or two years or something like that.

00:34:00.000 And the guy who was the interim commissioner that had just stepped up, he wasn't even going to be permanent, died eight days after accepting Pete Rose's Yeah, anointed ban.

00:34:14.000 So he's accepted that he would be put on the ineligible list, stepped down, could reapply basically.

00:34:20.000 The guy that was the commissioner. And so that added to absolute chaos and confusion and probably one of the most important points in maybe baseball American history.

00:34:29.000 So, I guess I'll respond on a few points here.

00:34:33.000 First of all, he did accept the ban, but it's not like he just accepted it out of the goodness of his heart.

00:34:39.000 He was under investigation at the time, including for actual criminal behavior.

00:34:43.000 Yeah, but that was the deal, and baseball didn't actually formally recognize that he did anything wrong because he self Yeah, because he agreed to accept a lifetime ban.

00:34:52.000 So when we say there was not proof of him betting against his own team, that is substantially because Major League Baseball terminated its investigation because whatever they were going to find, Pete Rose apparently decided it's better to take a lifetime ban.

00:35:08.000 He didn't accept a lifetime ban. He accepted the ban and the rules of the MLB at the time.

00:35:12.000 Which is to be made permanently ineligible.

00:35:15.000 No, it's ineligible he could apply a year later.

00:35:18.000 Blake is intellectually honest.

00:35:19.000 Blake, do you think looking at the track record of his reputation as Charlie Hustle, when he was a player, not a manager, do you think there's any instance where he would bet against himself?

00:35:28.000 Is there any evidence that the type of player he was?

00:35:30.000 He kept playing well after he was a good baseball player.

00:35:34.000 The last few years of Pete Rose playing, he was an active detriment to his team.

00:35:40.000 That sounds like Michael Jordan for the Washington Wizards.

00:35:56.000 He can do things like he can manage his pitchers in a manner that makes them more likely to win some specific game he is betting on, but less likely to win in the long term, less likely to get into the playoffs, less likely to win a title.

00:36:09.000 So he's already corroding the integrity of the game when he does that.

00:36:12.000 The other thing I would contest is he didn't atone for what he did.

00:36:16.000 After he was caught, after he accepted being ineligible, he spent almost two decades lying constantly saying, I never bet on baseball.

00:36:26.000 I never did it. I'm innocent.

00:36:28.000 It was a setup or whatever.

00:36:29.000 It was all a misunderstanding.

00:36:32.000 Then in 2004, he comes out, and basically because he's able to cash in with a book deal, he says, okay, I admit it.

00:36:40.000 I bet on baseball.

00:36:41.000 And then he still says, but I only bet while I was a manager, because this is part of his defense, was that it was ironclad, you cannot bet while you're a player.

00:36:50.000 But he said, I only bet while I was a manager.

00:36:53.000 I never bet while I was a player.

00:36:55.000 ESPN investigates it in 2015.

00:36:57.000 That was a lie. Turns out he was betting while he was a player.

00:37:00.000 He was doing it all of the time.

00:37:02.000 And on top of this, it's weird to me that people bring up what a great guy Pete Rose is. 0.99

00:37:08.000 Pete Rose is a disgusting guy. 0.98

00:37:11.000 There's evidence that he was sleeping with a girl when she was 14 years old. 1.00

00:37:15.000 There's a huge drug user. 1.00

00:37:17.000 He's like a piece of crap. 1.00

00:37:19.000 And I guess I'll get banned from the city of Cincinnati for arguing this. 1.00

00:37:23.000 And yeah, there's a lot of pro players who are awful.

00:37:27.000 But what I will say with Pete is he had a very long-term pattern of lying about this

00:37:33.000 Over and over and over he gets caught he has to face the consequences and it's like boo-hoo

00:37:40.000 About this he's not in the Hall of Fame. No like He could have he could have been a legend for his entire

00:37:46.000 lifetime All he had to do is not do break the one rule that they

00:37:49.000 have posted in your frickin clubhouse Which is don't gamble on baseball

00:37:55.000 And the answer is, yeah, I think he probably did bet against his own team. 0.55

00:37:59.000 And that he managed to prevent them discovering it because he got them to scuttle the investigation.

00:38:03.000 And even if he didn't, the truth is, he's probably covering something up because that's why he cut a deal to have this investigation be terminated.

00:38:12.000 I don't know. I find it bizarre that people cape so much for Pete Rose.

00:38:17.000 He's the hit king.

00:38:18.000 He'll always have that, but I think he disgraced himself.

00:38:22.000 You know, I have to say the one vote in favor of what Blake is saying is that in a world where we don't have a border, we don't have rules, gender bending, all of this stuff, as much as I admire the guy, there's something refreshing I have to say, that part of me, I find it refreshing.

00:38:50.000 That there's a consequence that people don't like.

00:38:53.000 And that's the thing. It's not like they only do it.

00:38:56.000 There's a player they banned this year for betting on baseball.

00:38:59.000 He was so exceptional, and this saga played out for so many years.

00:39:04.000 I mean, what's interesting too, Blake, though, on the counter, on the flip side of this, is that he became a Fox post-game analysis, you know, A correspondent in recent years.

00:39:17.000 So he was covering baseball on Fox during the playoffs.

00:39:22.000 And then in 2022, they welcomed him back to Philly.

00:39:26.000 He got some boos, certainly.

00:39:28.000 But he was getting sort of embraced in recent years.

00:39:32.000 And so, I mean, I just think it's one thing to do it with a guy that has a mixed record who is barely...

00:39:40.000 If you're kind of debating whether he gets into the Hall of Fame or not, Okay, maybe.

00:39:45.000 But it puts so much pressure on it when you have a guy who has the most hits in the history of such an old game and in a game that matters so much, the statistics matter so much.

00:39:57.000 It's such a different dynamic.

00:39:59.000 I think you just got to put the guy in and put it to rest.

00:40:02.000 Let everybody put it to rest.

00:40:04.000 I definitely care a lot.

00:40:05.000 I mean, I thought it was important that he was banned for life.

00:40:10.000 He died. If you want to honor him now, it's not as big a deal for me.

00:40:14.000 The commissioner that was there at the time that oversaw this entire proceeding when they accepted the deal died eight days later.

00:40:21.000 That's like Hillary Clinton stuff. 1.00

00:40:25.000 Who would have killed him?

00:40:26.000 It might have been Pete Rose.

00:40:27.000 Pete Rose would have probably known the kind of people.

00:40:31.000 He had all these connections to organized crime.

00:40:33.000 I want to say something about what Andrew said.

00:40:37.000 I hear what you're saying about the rules and how baseball and preserving the integrity of the sport.

00:40:43.000 And that would be great if they had actually done that to baseball.

00:40:46.000 But instead, what have we seen since this happened in the 19th?

00:40:49.000 Which, by the way, Mickey Mantle I think?

00:41:10.000 And so the understanding, of course, was that when Pete Rose agreed to the deal that his would be overturned the way that Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays had been overturned.

00:41:19.000 But what have we seen with baseball since then?

00:41:22.000 A complete degradation of the sport, a complete degradation of the integrity of the game, and just the massive embrace of gambling.

00:41:31.000 And that's obviously not isolated to baseball, but it's to everything.

00:41:35.000 And so you've got to look.

00:41:38.000 The Houston Astros were able to keep their rings after it was proven that they stole the signs and broke all the rules in the World Series.

00:41:46.000 They should have lost them.

00:41:48.000 I would have done it. I would have been maximal.

00:41:49.000 They should have lost the rings in two seconds. 0.52

00:41:52.000 Lost the rings in two seconds.

00:41:54.000 And so I remember reading that and finding out about that decision.

00:42:00.000 Saying like, okay, if the Astros can keep their rings, then why can't Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame?

00:42:05.000 Because now what you've done is make it look like this is a personal thing rather than standing on the rules.

00:42:11.000 And to wit, there was a former commissioner, not the one who died, obviously, but Faye Vincent, who I think was the guy who took over after the guy died eight days later.

00:42:22.000 And he's still around.

00:42:25.000 He's not the commissioner anymore, obviously.

00:42:26.000 But he gave a quote to...

00:42:29.000 Sorry, that thing's playing. To Fox News, where he said, if Rose had come clean in the first place, admitted wrongdoing, and made an effort to deter young people from betting on baseball, he probably would have forgotten in a long while ago.

00:42:41.000 And it's like, okay, well, this is, you know, he's talking about the moral dimension to honors and corruption of the game, etc., etc.

00:42:49.000 And it's like, Okay, that's fine, but how come you don't seem to hold any of these other standards to any of the other players or any of these other instances that we can point to?

00:43:00.000 And that's just off the top of my head.

00:43:01.000 I mean, I think the Houston Astros probably being the most egregious one and the embrace of betting being just this massive double standard.

00:43:07.000 You can bet in every single MLB stadium now.

00:43:12.000 So Pete Rose is the hit king.

00:43:14.000 Pete Rose is the hit king.

00:43:16.000 But the best hitter, in my opinion, to ever walk the face of the earth is Barry Bonds, who's also banned.

00:43:26.000 Well, the guys...

00:43:27.000 Bonds is not banned. Bonds is a informal ban.

00:43:31.000 See, no, no, no.

00:43:32.000 I think Royds is far more egregious than sports gambling.

00:43:36.000 I totally disagree. 0.91

00:43:37.000 I think Royds is way more disgusting.

00:43:41.000 Because Royds are performance-related. 0.96

00:43:45.000 Yeah, steroids are so disgusting.

00:43:48.000 Steroids are more egregious.

00:43:50.000 I agree, actually.

00:43:51.000 Okay, good. You agree. I think steroids is way more egregious than gambling.

00:43:56.000 I take a totally different approach.

00:43:57.000 I think baseball was the funnest moment ever in baseball was Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, Barry Bond.

00:44:04.000 Sammy Sosa. That was the funnest era of baseball.

00:44:09.000 Imagine baseball was a pitcher.

00:44:10.000 It was so outrageous. I grew up with that.

00:44:13.000 That combination of the Cubs guy.

00:44:16.000 That combination of steroids and gambling, I think we should actually have full gambling, full steroids, pitch clock.

00:44:24.000 Baseball would be so much better.

00:44:26.000 That's what Peter Thiel's doing with the Olympics.

00:44:29.000 I'm interested in that, Charlie.

00:44:31.000 For you, what makes steroids beyond the pale?

00:44:35.000 First of all, if you're gambling against yourself, totally agree with that.

00:44:40.000 The steroids, first of all, it's not allowed.

00:44:42.000 Secondly, it's so egregious.

00:44:44.000 Gambling's not allowed. Of course, I'm getting to it.

00:44:47.000 It's just there's something so self-mutilating to steroids, though, where you're actively making a decision that is so bad for you physically and is only for the purpose of trying to get a competitive edge in a prohibited way.

00:45:01.000 That it is so unfair.

00:45:04.000 It is the closest thing to biological cheating that we have in sports.

00:45:12.000 More so than any other sport.

00:45:14.000 If you take steroids in football, it helps you a little bit.

00:45:17.000 But performance enhancing steroids in baseball is such an advantage.

00:45:24.000 Jack, you said it right.

00:45:25.000 Steroids is performance enhancing.

00:45:27.000 Betting is not. That's exactly right.

00:45:28.000 It's akin to a girl competing against a boy that, you know, just, you know, had his junk cut off. 0.99

00:45:35.000 But here's the thing. 0.97

00:45:37.000 I remember Barry Bonds when he came over from the Pirates in, like, 93.

00:45:41.000 And he was Skinny Barry at that point, his pre-Royd era.

00:45:45.000 And he was still the best frickin' hitter on planet Earth.

00:45:49.000 He just got kept getting better with age, which you're not supposed to do, right?

00:45:53.000 So he was like 36, 37.

00:45:55.000 And the guy, you couldn't get a fastball by the guy.

00:45:57.000 It was, if it was in like three, you know, inches of the strike zone,

00:46:01.000 the guy would put it into the bay.

00:46:03.000 But he was still the best I've ever seen, even before Roy.

00:46:07.000 Going back to Pete Rose, though, here's the ridiculousness of it, and we talk about Barry Bonds now.

00:46:11.000 The guy that was the commissioner before the guy that was the eight-day commissioner Keelover guy was the guy that reinstated Willie Mays.

00:46:20.000 I'm pretty sure. The guy that reinstated Willie Mays was the guy who quit to hand off to the guy who miraculously had a heart attack within eight days that he made the decision on Pete Rose, that they came to those terms.

00:46:35.000 He was the guy that forgave Willie Mays.

00:46:39.000 Willie Mays also happened to be the godfather of Barry Bonds.

00:46:43.000 He's like the godfather of Barry Bob.

00:46:45.000 So it's all in our case.

00:46:47.000 And MLB has forgiven Mark McGuire, has forgiven Sammy Sosa, has forgiven.

00:46:53.000 But before that, Willie Mays, just as Jack brought up.

00:46:56.000 But Pete Rose is the example that I wanted to add this thought about it, especially since when Pete Rose was doing it, gambling was a lot more legally fraught.

00:47:09.000 We have tragically made it much more legally open now.

00:47:13.000 But a big reason you don't want to have gambling on the game, it's not just that it corrodes the integrity directly, it's that Gambling, especially, was really mobbed up.

00:47:23.000 It still is really mobbed up.

00:47:24.000 And so, like, Pete Rose would get into debt with these bookies.

00:47:29.000 And that is how they get the tendrils in it, where, you know, oh, you owe $40,000 to your bookie, and that's a lot, because you're broke.

00:47:37.000 And the way you get out of trouble with your bookie is, you agree to throw a game.

00:47:42.000 And that's how boxing got messed up, is you had, you know, individual boxers who would have to, you know, take a fall for money.

00:47:48.000 And... I would just be way more worried about our umpires and our referees.

00:47:53.000 I gotta interject here. Our umpires and referees are way more susceptible.

00:47:56.000 Yeah, I think that's right. Okay, let me get to one of our reads and then we'll talk about how great In-N-Out is.

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00:48:45.000 Okay, let's go really quick.

00:48:46.000 Who wants to take the what? Jack, you're awfully passionate about this In-N-Out Whataburger thing.

00:48:54.000 Go ahead. So just, I'll set it up with some context here, which is someone put up a billboard to troll In-N-Out because I guess, which burger was it that did it?

00:49:05.000 They like beat In-N-Out.

00:49:07.000 This is Habit. Yeah. I don't even know what that is.

00:49:09.000 It started in Santa Barbara, actually.

00:49:11.000 Funny enough. Alrighty, so Habit Burgers, that's the name of it?

00:49:15.000 Habit Burger, they beat In-N-Out as the number one tastiest fast food burger, and now they're trolling In-N-Out by putting up a congrats on number two billboard.

00:49:24.000 But I just wanted to have that context.

00:49:26.000 Yeah, Habit is really good.

00:49:28.000 So, look, this is kind of what, you know, funny enough, JD Vance and Tucker got into this when I saw them in Hershey regarding the Quarter Pounder and the Big Mac.

00:49:39.000 And JD was arguing that the Quarter Pounder is a better meal because you get more meat.

00:49:45.000 And Tucker was like, yeah, but there's no special sauce.

00:49:48.000 And JD responds, he goes, Tucker, you have been manipulated by the elites.

00:49:53.000 Special sauce is nothing.

00:49:54.000 It's all about which burger has more meat.

00:49:57.000 And that's kind of where I come down on this, that Whataburger just has more meat to it, that it's got more meat than In-N-Out.

00:50:03.000 So I'm like, I don't know.

00:50:05.000 I feel like I like that burger, man.

00:50:07.000 Charlie, are you allowed to eat burgers?

00:50:09.000 Who wants to defend In-N-Out? I'm on this weird diet right now.

00:50:13.000 But typically, In-N-Out is the best.

00:50:16.000 And Tyler, you have to admit, Arizona became a better place when In-N-Out came here.

00:50:21.000 So, In-N-Out, if you're a West Coaster, especially growing up, now it's kind of like it's...

00:50:27.000 It's everywhere now. I think they just opened up in In-N-Out.

00:50:30.000 Good for them, by the way. Opened up in In-N-Out in Tennessee.

00:50:33.000 But when I was growing up, it was like we longed to go to – every time we go to California, you longed to go wait in line at In-N-Out and just go to In-N-Out, and everybody did that.

00:50:43.000 That still kind of exists for people who are on the East Coast.

00:50:46.000 For the most part, but like it was, if you asked an East Coaster about In-N-Out, nobody really knew what it was at all.

00:50:53.000 Like no one ever, like pre-social media, all that stuff.

00:50:56.000 So it was like really the pre-era of it was, and Andrew can probably add to this too, being from Nevada.

00:51:02.000 If you're from like Nevada, Arizona, Oregon, you know, probably like Utah and like other parts, people would go and that was like part of your experience.

00:51:12.000 So it was like culturally part of visiting California was In-N-Out Burger.

00:51:16.000 So I would, I actually, the way I view In-N-Out Burger is different than probably how younger people view In-N-Out Burger, which is that it has a taste that's associated with memories, especially vacation memories and beach memories that you can't break.

00:51:33.000 But people who don't have that appreciation for it, that pre-era, it just has a different meaning to you.

00:51:40.000 So I love In-N-Out Burger because It has all these memories.

00:51:44.000 It's straight up California.

00:51:47.000 It's invariably attached to it.

00:51:49.000 When they came to Arizona, it was the biggest deal ever.

00:51:53.000 When they first opened up the first restaurants in Arizona, it was such a big deal.

00:51:57.000 And it still is. You go to any In-N-Out Burger any night, it's like Chick-fil-A. Chick-fil-A In-N-Out.

00:52:02.000 It's the longest lines that you'll find in the entire state.

00:52:06.000 The taste, I still, every time I taste it, the spread, it's like, I think of being in California, the beach, I can almost like smell like the sea air.

00:52:15.000 This is an embarrassing story.

00:52:17.000 In 2016, my dad, I was out of the home by this point.

00:52:22.000 My dad flew our family, so a lot of my siblings were still at home, but he's also like, Blake, I'll buy you a ticket, you have to come with us.

00:52:29.000 And he flew our entire family To Los Angeles.

00:52:32.000 This is the first time I had been to Los Angeles so that we could go visit the Reagan Library and the Reagan Ranch, which is definitely like the most I am a baby boomer conservative thing that my family has ever done.

00:52:48.000 But, as part of that, we ended up going to In-N-Out, I think, two or three separate times because our Airbnb was close to one.

00:52:56.000 And it's as you describe, it was very long lines.

00:52:59.000 This was right when I think the cult of In-N-Out was really becoming a nationwide awareness thing.

00:53:06.000 And yeah, we went there a bunch.

00:53:07.000 I did like In-N-Out quite a bit.

00:53:09.000 I don't eat enough fast food burgers to have strong opinions on which one is the best.

00:53:15.000 To be honest, I usually get chicken sandwiches if they offer them.

00:53:20.000 My favorite burger that I actually eat regularly, we have a place here in Phoenix.

00:53:25.000 I have no idea if they're elsewhere, but Cold Beers and Cheeseburgers, they have a peanut butter and jelly burger on their menu.

00:53:32.000 And every time I go, I order that.

00:53:35.000 And I always tell them, I've never been there.

00:53:36.000 Is the food good there?

00:53:38.000 This burger is good.

00:53:40.000 I always tell them, don't wuss out on the peanut butter and jelly.

00:53:42.000 Like, really, like, slather it up.

00:53:44.000 And they do when I tell them to. 0.85

00:53:46.000 And it's kind of disgusting.

00:53:47.000 You end up with peanut butter everywhere.

00:53:49.000 It's a little gross. But, oh, it's satisfying and delicious.

00:53:53.000 And it's even more delicious knowing that Charlie will never be able to eat one.

00:53:57.000 That's right, Blake. That's really sick and sadistic. 0.97

00:54:01.000 All right, everybody. I have to go try to chase ballots with Dr. 0.96

00:54:05.000 Carson and do some stuff here.

00:54:06.000 Go support your local In-N-Out. 0.95

00:54:08.000 Get it animal-style.

00:54:09.000 Double-double. Get the secret sauce.

00:54:12.000 Animal-style is incredible.

00:54:14.000 Extra peppers. It's incredible.

00:54:16.000 Animal-style is incredible. Here's the order.

00:54:18.000 Get two 4x4s, animal-style, protein-style, extra secret sauce, extra pickles, extra peppers.

00:54:25.000 Heard it here first. Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:54:28.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - October 05, 2024

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 58 — Pete Rose, Hall of Fame? The Best Burger? Mansplaining?

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