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00:01:52.000Well, obviously the reason we're talking about it is it's now been two days since the presidential debate, or the vice presidential debate, J.D. Vance versus Tim Walls.
00:02:01.000I think the general consensus is our boy J.D. crushed it.
00:02:35.000I think probably the most direct one was Nicole Wallace at MSNBC claims that Vance was mansplaining when he did that bit where he was explaining how you can download a phone app and use the app to just illegally enter America on parole and go to Springfield or Charleroy, Pennsylvania or Wherever you want, because that's how you can just legally get into America.
00:03:00.000As long as you have basically nothing to offer, then we're happy to let you in.
00:03:05.000So mansplaining, of course, bigger picture is, as the name implies, is the idea that men sort of...
00:03:15.000In a patronizing way or an irritating way will explain things to women that women don't need explained to them or that women even know better than men already.
00:03:26.000It's the sort of thing you see a lot of unhappy women on the internet complain about a lot.
00:03:31.000If you've been online, you've been hearing people complain about this for years on end.
00:03:36.000I think I remember running into it when I was in college even.
00:03:48.000And Charlie actually had a very good tweet about it just earlier this week where he points out that, yeah, I guess in theory there can be a guy who tediously over-explains things.
00:04:00.000But the real truth is, is like for a lot of people, it's like, this is what you tweeted, Charlie.
00:04:06.000Complaints about mansplaining are, just cope, that low IQ, insecure, medicated, this is a very important part, medicated liberal women used to shut men up.
00:04:17.000Prove me wrong. And no one could prove you wrong because you probably didn't even read the replies.
00:04:23.000Well, let's play the tape in question, right?
00:04:29.000And I actually think if you're a woman, that might be the worst moment J.D. Vance had because he was going to mansplain right over that mute button.
00:04:39.000And again, I don't pretend to know how everyone will react to this.
00:04:43.000I think that a lot of women in positions of authority that should command respect just by virtue of that dynamic will see themselves and some dude that disrespected them and talked over.
00:04:53.000I mean, there was a moment like that with the vice presidential in the Harris-Pence debate.
00:04:59.000You know, I have to say, just, you know, kind of a meta, before I get into the direct response, sort of from a meta perspective, this really is the first time where two debates in a row, now one presidential, one vice presidential, we've had one man versus three women.
00:05:14.000So, you know, of course, you had President Trump, Kamala Harris, Lindsay Davis, and Davey Muir.
00:05:21.000And this time around, you've got the two female moderators, Tammy Walls and J.D. Vance.
00:05:29.000Basically, this has become, like most of wokeism, I kind of feel like this mansplaining gripe is really just a cope.
00:05:38.000So it's a cope that when you know you're wrong, when you know that you've been proven wrong, and you realize that you don't actually have any facts of the situation, and you don't have the ability to respond on a factual or legitimate basis, what you do then is exactly what this moderator did.
00:05:57.000In the instance where not only does she like keep talking over JD while he's trying to explain his point, which again, by the way, in a political debate, that's what you're trying to do.
00:06:06.000You're trying to explain what your positions are and the role of like, like if you were like, if journalism was real or journalists were real journalists, that you'd be attempting to tease the true information out of the candidates.
00:06:18.000Whereas what she does is she doesn't like his stance.
00:06:22.000Then he doesn't stop talking, which then they claim is mansplaining.
00:06:26.000And because he's trying to make his point and explain what he means, she doesn't like that, so she actually turns off his microphone, which is just, I gotta say, that's sort of like the ultimate girlbossing move.
00:06:39.000And you notice, by the way, that throughout the rest of the debate, they haven't, they didn't really do that afterwards.
00:06:47.000So I wonder if she got pulled aside in the break or something like that, because that was just, I think she lost a lot of credibility in that moment.
00:06:59.000Thank you. Senator, we have so much to get to.
00:07:01.000Margaret, I think it's important because...
00:07:03.000We're going to turn out of the economy.
00:07:04.000Thank you. Margaret, the rules were that you guys weren't going to fact check.
00:07:07.000And since you're fact checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on.
00:07:11.000So there's an application called the CBP One App, where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply for parole, and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand.
00:07:26.000That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card and waiting for 10 years.
00:07:30.000That is the facilitation of a legal immigration, Margaret, by our own leadership.
00:07:33.000Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process.
00:07:57.000I think that this is wine mom culture gone wrong, gone awry, and that it's...
00:08:04.000J.D. was beating up on them so badly that Nicole Wallace had a freakout that night thinking that all hope was lost and she was trying to spin and paddle her legs under the water to try and right the ship.
00:08:17.000There's no writing what happened last night.
00:08:19.000I mean, there was even a Washington Post published this where, you know, a bunch of undecided voters, I mean, J.D. Vance We took this thing and ran away with it last night and was one of the most lopsided victories in presidential or vice presidential history.
00:08:38.000And I think this is a female cope that needs to be called out because it's actually, as one of our people said, Charlie, that we were on a chat together, women actually, women's plan over men far more often and far more aggressively And so, yeah, he was a total gentleman.
00:08:59.000But, like, there's a bunch of hypocrisy in this discussion.
00:09:02.000And the fact that this word, mansplaining, popped back on the internet this week because of Nicole Wallace is a really disgusting fact of modern life.
00:09:11.000It's also just so out of the nomenclature.
00:09:14.000Jack, continue. Yeah, no, it's like...
00:09:17.000And I'm sure all of us on this stream, and Tyler, if he were here, would probably say the same thing, that it kind of goes back to everyone...
00:09:26.000In school, that if you were someone who did well in school, or if you were someone who just, even if you didn't do on test, if you just understood the material or something, it's one of those situations where, you know, it's like, you know, the right answer to whatever the subject is, but the teacher's got the teacher edition and the teacher edition has the wrong answer in it.
00:09:45.000And JD is the kid in the class who's saying, no, I think the teacher's addition is wrong.
00:09:50.000And the teacher's getting mad at him and the teacher is snapping at him, is criticizing him, telling him to sit down, punishing him, admonishing him with these administrative, you know, sort of judicial procedures that they have at their fingertips.
00:10:06.000When in actuality, you know, you could go After the class and look and it turns out that, oh wait, the teacher's edition did have a misprint in it.
00:10:15.000So rather than listen to the student who is focused on learning through trying to understand the issues and trying to understand what's actually going on, instead the teacher, and you saw this throughout the debate, this is kind of like the sort of meta-narrative of the debate where JD Vance is doing what they call the folk wisdom or the common sense wisdom, I think was the word he said.
00:10:37.000Uh, as opposed to the experts and the PhDs, which, you know, and it's a whole nother discussion, but they did the exact same thing when they talked about the hurricane.
00:10:47.000And rather than talk about the people who are currently in the, uh, in the path of the hurricane, who have had, who are in the aftermath of it, who are dealing with that, that are in harm's way, who need relief.
00:10:57.000They didn't sit there and say, oh, let's, let's put out the, you know, websites where people can donate money or something.
00:11:03.000No, they said, oh, no, this is climate change.
00:11:06.000Try to suck them into a debate on that, again, predicated on these expert statements.
00:11:10.000So it was a situation where someone used an administrative position to try to exert force over someone who just simply was correct and had command of the facts and command of the details.
00:11:22.000You know what I just realized, Charlie, is that your tweet was so right on during the debate where you said JD Vance is dominating over three of the three women on stage, did like millions of engagement, and you were making a joke about Tim Walz.
00:11:35.000But what I just realized is that this is all a very underhanded insult to the masculinity of Tim Walz.
00:11:42.000What the women are basically saying is that Tim Walz couldn't hold his own on that stage, needed these women to sort of put JD J.D. Vance in check.
00:11:51.000It's all a backhanded insult to Tim Walz.
00:12:58.000They have, for Walls, with his bulging eyes like a lunatic, it says, Eye-popping can sometimes be a sign of surprise, but for Walls, it simply revealed his emotional intensity, like during an exchange about abortion.
00:13:18.000The dynamic and emphatic facial motion grabs the viewer's attention.
00:13:23.000For Walls, it gave extra weight to his feelings and held our gaze.
00:13:29.000And what I love is they have it zoomed in.
00:13:31.000If you're watching, you can see it there.
00:13:32.000They have it zoomed in right on his eyes.
00:13:34.000And there's a test out there that you can take that they give to adults.
00:13:41.000And it's a way of testing whether someone is on the autism spectrum.
00:13:44.000And the way they do it is they show just a person's kind of eye area.
00:13:48.000And they ask you, what emotion are they expressing?
00:13:52.000And it can be shock. It can be attraction.
00:13:57.000And I can guarantee you that if they had that set of eyes and you said that this was showing passion, you would not score well on this quiz.
00:14:09.000So they're doing a lot of heavy lifting over at Politico.
00:14:12.000Can you imagine if the roles were reversed and that was J.D. Vance's face and what they would be saying about it?
00:14:18.000They wouldn't be using the word passion.
00:14:20.000They would be scared, intimidated, incompetent.
00:14:24.000The double standard is pretty infuriating.
00:14:27.000I think we talked about this before when we were getting into the Tim Walls pick a couple weeks ago when he was chosen over Josh Shapiro.
00:14:35.000I can't imagine why it was the Democrats did that.
00:14:39.000But there's this idea that Tim Walls is the man that the Democrats want you to be.
00:15:18.000This is the 90s male who's in touch with his feelings.
00:15:23.000This was that whole thing they used to push back then, the new male that they want, the metrosexual male,
00:15:30.000which you could kind of see a little bit.
00:15:32.000And there was this idea, I think, that no dude is ever gonna want to follow that guy.
00:15:39.000That's why they're so terrified about this.
00:15:42.000And keep in mind, when we talked about this when he first picked as well, this was the guy they were trying to tell us was the epitome of masculinity.
00:16:37.000That's the most emasculating clip I've ever seen of a man on network television in my life since, like, you know, Jussie Smollett or something.
00:16:45.000Like, that's just really hard to watch.
00:16:47.000But this is the version of the man that they want.
00:16:49.000They don't want one that is self-confident, assertive, that is willing to go in the wilderness and stand up for truth and for justice.
00:16:58.000One that is subservient, one that is rule-following, even when the rules are not rooted in wisdom or prudence.
00:17:05.000And J.D. Vance, I thought, was terrific.
00:17:07.000He is the type of man that you want your son to be.
00:17:10.000I thought it was excellent. Well, good.
00:17:15.000I was going to say, funny enough, after that, so I showed, you know, do you have that, do we have that side-by-side again of JD and Tim Walz?
00:17:22.000Just the one where it's like the, you know, he's doing the gym from the office, side-eyes to the camera.
00:17:28.000Can we throw that up? There it is. So I showed this to my son just randomly.
00:17:33.000I was up in New York, and then we got home, and after the debate, I was showing him this, and he knows who JD Vance is.
00:18:05.000No, Blake, you remember meeting Jack-Jack?
00:18:07.000He was definitely not, like, all grossed out by you.
00:18:11.000Or if he was, he kept- I'll take the wins that I can.
00:18:13.000I'll take the wins I can. Yeah, take not being all grossed out by you.
00:18:18.000But yeah, like, a six-year-old had that unique, that, like, natural response of just revulsion to seeing Tim Walz and be like, this guy is, like, something's just weird with him.
00:18:28.000But then he looks at JD like, oh, that guy's funny.
00:18:30.000Like, I would watch his YouTube channel or whatever.
00:18:32.000Excuse me, excuse me, his Rumble channel.
00:18:34.000So we have to finish the loop here, though, because Doug Emhoff is now the subject of allegations for slapping his girlfriend after she apparently talks to another gentleman.
00:19:15.000It's forcefully slapped ex-girlfriend for flirting with another man and booze-fueled assault after date to star-studded gala.
00:19:24.000So, this is in May 2012 at the Cannes Film Festival in France.
00:19:30.000One of her friends told DailyMail.com that the woman called him immediately after the incident sobbing in her car and described the alleged assault.
00:19:39.000DailyMail.com is not naming the woman who is a successful New York attorney but will refer to her by the pseudonym Jane.
00:19:45.000A second friend said Jane, who had been dating Emhoff for three months, also told her about the alleged violence at the time.
00:19:52.000A third friend told DailyMail So, yeah. And there's a picture of Doug with this woman.
00:20:15.000So he not only knocked up the nanny, slapped his girlfriend drunk in France, and now he's getting emasculated.
00:20:27.000I'm actually trying to hold the timeline together as you go through it.
00:20:30.000So this was after he had the nanny get the abortion, and that's when they broke up with his first wife, and that's why he's single and he's got this string of girlfriends that he's beating?
00:20:42.000Yes. Okay, so he starts off with knocking up the nanny, makes her get the abortion, then he has the girlfriend that he beats up in France, and then he has another girlfriend between her and Kamala Harris?
00:20:55.000Yeah, it sounds like this was in 2012, and then allegedly he got on a blind date.
00:20:59.000But then he said there was another one in 2014.
00:21:03.000That's the story. In 2013, but maybe they weren't like totally together then, because this...
00:21:08.000I remember, by the way, also that, you know, the timeline never works up whenever they talk about Kamala Harris and Doug Emhoff, because I remember when the ex-wife, who was the mother of the kids, came out in response to the whole the JD, the cat lady thing, and they were...
00:21:24.000She was saying like, oh, she's been a wonderful mother to the kids.
00:21:27.000And it's like, when exactly was she the mother to the kids?
00:21:31.000Because after the 90, then you've got the girlfriend in 2012, you've got the girlfriend in 2014.
00:21:36.000They don't meet until this blind date that's much later.
00:21:43.000They have not actually been together that long.
00:21:46.000And think about it, she's AG, she's district attorney in San Francisco, AG in California, runs for Senate 2018, runs for president, president in 2019, becomes vice president.
00:21:57.000This woman has been full-time campaigning and politicking basically their entire relationship.
00:22:02.000So I'm sorry, there wasn't a whole lot of family time.
00:22:53.000People try to go to me all the time on camp.
00:22:55.000You know, I got to be honest. The most annoying thing is when a kid comes up and starts trying live fact-checking you in the campus debate, which is why I try not to argue about, like, studies and stuff.
00:23:05.000I try to argue about broad-picture morals.
00:23:09.000I come up and I say, you know, houses are more expensive than they were under Donald Trump.
00:23:20.000It's self-evident. So here's the story of the abortion.
00:23:25.000The second gentleman reportedly strayed from then-wife Pearson over a decade and a half ago with a blonde nanny, Najin Naylor, who taught at a private school attended by their two kids.
00:24:27.000That's what it says on the New York Post article.
00:24:29.000An Asian Naylor is now an executive at Audible.
00:24:32.000Do you think that, I mean, this is a legitimate question, and it's worthy of, do you think Kamala Harris and Doug Emhoff actually have a romantic relationship?
00:24:39.000They don't even live together, apparently.
00:24:41.000They live on different posts. Or do you think it's kind of like a Hillary, Bill Clinton thing?
00:25:05.000It really looks, and I think what everybody's kind of thinking, we're all sort of dancing around it, it looks as though Kamala Harris...
00:25:11.000wanted to run for president and she knew that the one thing that she lacked was a husband and kids and she was like this is one more stepping stone that while I was running around and running for all these different offices and you know campaigning etc that I just never got around to so let me just check this box and you know I'm sure that she and Doug get along just fine I don't think they have any issues between the two of them I certainly hope that he's not beating her But it's clearly a marriage of ambition, if you will. And that happens all the time.
00:28:27.000He died earlier this week at the age of 83, and of course, that is going to reignite the perennial debate, which is, they were having this multiple times while he was alive, should he be admitted to the Hall of Fame despite the scandal?
00:28:45.000All right, here we go. Okay, so Blake, first of all, understand that the context of when he was betting, betting was way less scrutinized than it is today.
00:28:54.000Yes, it was illegal, but a lot of players had connections to gambling back then.
00:28:58.000And the severity of the ban on betting wasn't clearly as understood, and a lot of players and managers did it.
00:29:34.000Well, let's let Charlie finish his whole bit.
00:29:38.000Yeah. I have a whole, like, catechism, not catechism, liturgy here.
00:29:43.000Yeah, I'm just trying to think of people that have no background info, that's all.
00:29:47.000Sure. So that's the second point, is that when he was investigated for gambling by both the federal government, MLB, and later ESPN, he was never found to be gambling against his team.
00:29:59.000He only ever was discovered to be gambling against We're good to go.
00:30:23.000And by the way, we know this because Pete...
00:30:26.000Yeah, and this is important because there is not an instance where Pete Rose was never on the field where he was not the most hustle, like, ridiculous, over-the-top player, right, Andrew?
00:30:37.000He was called Charlie Hustle for a reason.
00:30:39.000If this guy was ever throwing a game...
00:30:41.000Show me an instance when Pete Rose ever threw a game, okay?
00:30:44.000This guy is the all-time hits leader in baseball.
00:30:56.000The records that he set were just remarkable.
00:30:59.000Impact on the game, as I mentioned, Charlie Hustle was, you know, his name, and it wasn't like he was a player that was known to kind of, like, leave early or not put in the work, or he was someone that was kind of like a sloppy drunk that was constantly, you know, making suspicious, let's just say, like, at-bats late in games, right?
00:31:21.000There's no evidence of that whatsoever, right?
00:31:24.000Andrew, do you understand what I'm detailing here?
00:31:26.000Where it wasn't as if he had a reputation for being...
00:31:29.000There was a slip in his career where it was very obvious that he wasn't himself.
00:31:35.000He was always 10 out of 10, completely invested in the game.
00:31:39.000Finally, after Rose was banned from Major League Baseball, banned completely, Rose has expressed remorse for his actions and he sought to engage in every way possible to try to reconcile for it.
00:31:51.000And finally, this is very, very important, is the subjectivity of the punishment against Pete Rose is disgusting.
00:31:57.000The enforcement of Major League Baseball's gambling policy has always been inconsistent.
00:32:01.000And so the point that I want to get at here is that he objectively from his career deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, no doubt.
00:32:09.000He never bet in a way that impacted the game that we know of.
00:32:12.000In fact, I would make the argument, Blake thinks it's a silly argument, I think it's a good argument, that every single day you are betting on yourself in baseball.
00:32:20.000By showing up, you are betting on yourself.
00:32:22.000By definition, you are betting on yourself to get a better contract.
00:32:25.000You are betting on yourself to try and hit the bonuses to try to make the playoffs.
00:32:30.000Yes, this should not be legal to go to off You know, off-street betting and gambling.
00:32:35.000But if the evidence, Blake, was to say that he was hedging against himself to lose, totally get that.
00:32:41.000And finally, and I think most importantly, is that Pete Rose then became an advocate and a vocal advocate for changing all the issues and rules around gambling.
00:33:34.000Nobody ever talks about he voluntarily accepted the ban.
00:33:38.000He brokered a deal with the MLB. The MLB at the time had an interim commissioner.
00:33:44.000So the commissioner at the time was interim.
00:33:46.000After making the decision or accepting the voluntary response, the rules at the MLB were that he could reapply to get back into the MLB after it was like a year or two years or something like that.
00:34:00.000And the guy who was the interim commissioner that had just stepped up, he wasn't even going to be permanent, died eight days after accepting Pete Rose's Yeah, anointed ban.
00:34:14.000So he's accepted that he would be put on the ineligible list, stepped down, could reapply basically.
00:34:20.000The guy that was the commissioner. And so that added to absolute chaos and confusion and probably one of the most important points in maybe baseball American history.
00:34:29.000So, I guess I'll respond on a few points here.
00:34:33.000First of all, he did accept the ban, but it's not like he just accepted it out of the goodness of his heart.
00:34:39.000He was under investigation at the time, including for actual criminal behavior.
00:34:43.000Yeah, but that was the deal, and baseball didn't actually formally recognize that he did anything wrong because he self Yeah, because he agreed to accept a lifetime ban.
00:34:52.000So when we say there was not proof of him betting against his own team, that is substantially because Major League Baseball terminated its investigation because whatever they were going to find, Pete Rose apparently decided it's better to take a lifetime ban.
00:35:08.000He didn't accept a lifetime ban. He accepted the ban and the rules of the MLB at the time.
00:35:12.000Which is to be made permanently ineligible.
00:35:15.000No, it's ineligible he could apply a year later.
00:35:19.000Blake, do you think looking at the track record of his reputation as Charlie Hustle, when he was a player, not a manager, do you think there's any instance where he would bet against himself?
00:35:28.000Is there any evidence that the type of player he was?
00:35:30.000He kept playing well after he was a good baseball player.
00:35:34.000The last few years of Pete Rose playing, he was an active detriment to his team.
00:35:40.000That sounds like Michael Jordan for the Washington Wizards.
00:35:56.000He can do things like he can manage his pitchers in a manner that makes them more likely to win some specific game he is betting on, but less likely to win in the long term, less likely to get into the playoffs, less likely to win a title.
00:36:09.000So he's already corroding the integrity of the game when he does that.
00:36:12.000The other thing I would contest is he didn't atone for what he did.
00:36:16.000After he was caught, after he accepted being ineligible, he spent almost two decades lying constantly saying, I never bet on baseball.
00:36:41.000And then he still says, but I only bet while I was a manager, because this is part of his defense, was that it was ironclad, you cannot bet while you're a player.
00:36:50.000But he said, I only bet while I was a manager.
00:37:19.000And I guess I'll get banned from the city of Cincinnati for arguing this.
00:37:23.000And yeah, there's a lot of pro players who are awful.
00:37:27.000But what I will say with Pete is he had a very long-term pattern of lying about this
00:37:33.000Over and over and over he gets caught he has to face the consequences and it's like boo-hoo
00:37:40.000About this he's not in the Hall of Fame. No like He could have he could have been a legend for his entire
00:37:46.000lifetime All he had to do is not do break the one rule that they
00:37:49.000have posted in your frickin clubhouse Which is don't gamble on baseball
00:37:55.000And the answer is, yeah, I think he probably did bet against his own team.
00:37:59.000And that he managed to prevent them discovering it because he got them to scuttle the investigation.
00:38:03.000And even if he didn't, the truth is, he's probably covering something up because that's why he cut a deal to have this investigation be terminated.
00:38:12.000I don't know. I find it bizarre that people cape so much for Pete Rose.
00:38:18.000He'll always have that, but I think he disgraced himself.
00:38:22.000You know, I have to say the one vote in favor of what Blake is saying is that in a world where we don't have a border, we don't have rules, gender bending, all of this stuff, as much as I admire the guy, there's something refreshing I have to say, that part of me, I find it refreshing.
00:38:50.000That there's a consequence that people don't like.
00:38:53.000And that's the thing. It's not like they only do it.
00:38:56.000There's a player they banned this year for betting on baseball.
00:38:59.000He was so exceptional, and this saga played out for so many years.
00:39:04.000I mean, what's interesting too, Blake, though, on the counter, on the flip side of this, is that he became a Fox post-game analysis, you know, A correspondent in recent years.
00:39:17.000So he was covering baseball on Fox during the playoffs.
00:39:22.000And then in 2022, they welcomed him back to Philly.
00:39:28.000But he was getting sort of embraced in recent years.
00:39:32.000And so, I mean, I just think it's one thing to do it with a guy that has a mixed record who is barely...
00:39:40.000If you're kind of debating whether he gets into the Hall of Fame or not, Okay, maybe.
00:39:45.000But it puts so much pressure on it when you have a guy who has the most hits in the history of such an old game and in a game that matters so much, the statistics matter so much.
00:40:27.000Pete Rose would have probably known the kind of people.
00:40:31.000He had all these connections to organized crime.
00:40:33.000I want to say something about what Andrew said.
00:40:37.000I hear what you're saying about the rules and how baseball and preserving the integrity of the sport.
00:40:43.000And that would be great if they had actually done that to baseball.
00:40:46.000But instead, what have we seen since this happened in the 19th?
00:40:49.000Which, by the way, Mickey Mantle I think?
00:41:10.000And so the understanding, of course, was that when Pete Rose agreed to the deal that his would be overturned the way that Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays had been overturned.
00:41:19.000But what have we seen with baseball since then?
00:41:22.000A complete degradation of the sport, a complete degradation of the integrity of the game, and just the massive embrace of gambling.
00:41:31.000And that's obviously not isolated to baseball, but it's to everything.
00:41:38.000The Houston Astros were able to keep their rings after it was proven that they stole the signs and broke all the rules in the World Series.
00:41:54.000And so I remember reading that and finding out about that decision.
00:42:00.000Saying like, okay, if the Astros can keep their rings, then why can't Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame?
00:42:05.000Because now what you've done is make it look like this is a personal thing rather than standing on the rules.
00:42:11.000And to wit, there was a former commissioner, not the one who died, obviously, but Faye Vincent, who I think was the guy who took over after the guy died eight days later.
00:42:29.000Sorry, that thing's playing. To Fox News, where he said, if Rose had come clean in the first place, admitted wrongdoing, and made an effort to deter young people from betting on baseball, he probably would have forgotten in a long while ago.
00:42:41.000And it's like, okay, well, this is, you know, he's talking about the moral dimension to honors and corruption of the game, etc., etc.
00:42:49.000And it's like, Okay, that's fine, but how come you don't seem to hold any of these other standards to any of the other players or any of these other instances that we can point to?
00:43:00.000And that's just off the top of my head.
00:43:01.000I mean, I think the Houston Astros probably being the most egregious one and the embrace of betting being just this massive double standard.
00:43:07.000You can bet in every single MLB stadium now.
00:44:44.000Gambling's not allowed. Of course, I'm getting to it.
00:44:47.000It's just there's something so self-mutilating to steroids, though, where you're actively making a decision that is so bad for you physically and is only for the purpose of trying to get a competitive edge in a prohibited way.
00:46:03.000But he was still the best I've ever seen, even before Roy.
00:46:07.000Going back to Pete Rose, though, here's the ridiculousness of it, and we talk about Barry Bonds now.
00:46:11.000The guy that was the commissioner before the guy that was the eight-day commissioner Keelover guy was the guy that reinstated Willie Mays.
00:46:20.000I'm pretty sure. The guy that reinstated Willie Mays was the guy who quit to hand off to the guy who miraculously had a heart attack within eight days that he made the decision on Pete Rose, that they came to those terms.
00:46:35.000He was the guy that forgave Willie Mays.
00:46:39.000Willie Mays also happened to be the godfather of Barry Bonds.
00:46:47.000And MLB has forgiven Mark McGuire, has forgiven Sammy Sosa, has forgiven.
00:46:53.000But before that, Willie Mays, just as Jack brought up.
00:46:56.000But Pete Rose is the example that I wanted to add this thought about it, especially since when Pete Rose was doing it, gambling was a lot more legally fraught.
00:47:09.000We have tragically made it much more legally open now.
00:47:13.000But a big reason you don't want to have gambling on the game, it's not just that it corrodes the integrity directly, it's that Gambling, especially, was really mobbed up.
00:48:46.000Who wants to take the what? Jack, you're awfully passionate about this In-N-Out Whataburger thing.
00:48:54.000Go ahead. So just, I'll set it up with some context here, which is someone put up a billboard to troll In-N-Out because I guess, which burger was it that did it?
00:49:07.000This is Habit. Yeah. I don't even know what that is.
00:49:09.000It started in Santa Barbara, actually.
00:49:11.000Funny enough. Alrighty, so Habit Burgers, that's the name of it?
00:49:15.000Habit Burger, they beat In-N-Out as the number one tastiest fast food burger, and now they're trolling In-N-Out by putting up a congrats on number two billboard.
00:49:24.000But I just wanted to have that context.
00:49:28.000So, look, this is kind of what, you know, funny enough, JD Vance and Tucker got into this when I saw them in Hershey regarding the Quarter Pounder and the Big Mac.
00:49:39.000And JD was arguing that the Quarter Pounder is a better meal because you get more meat.
00:49:45.000And Tucker was like, yeah, but there's no special sauce.
00:49:48.000And JD responds, he goes, Tucker, you have been manipulated by the elites.
00:50:16.000And Tyler, you have to admit, Arizona became a better place when In-N-Out came here.
00:50:21.000So, In-N-Out, if you're a West Coaster, especially growing up, now it's kind of like it's...
00:50:27.000It's everywhere now. I think they just opened up in In-N-Out.
00:50:30.000Good for them, by the way. Opened up in In-N-Out in Tennessee.
00:50:33.000But when I was growing up, it was like we longed to go to – every time we go to California, you longed to go wait in line at In-N-Out and just go to In-N-Out, and everybody did that.
00:50:43.000That still kind of exists for people who are on the East Coast.
00:50:46.000For the most part, but like it was, if you asked an East Coaster about In-N-Out, nobody really knew what it was at all.
00:50:53.000Like no one ever, like pre-social media, all that stuff.
00:50:56.000So it was like really the pre-era of it was, and Andrew can probably add to this too, being from Nevada.
00:51:02.000If you're from like Nevada, Arizona, Oregon, you know, probably like Utah and like other parts, people would go and that was like part of your experience.
00:51:12.000So it was like culturally part of visiting California was In-N-Out Burger.
00:51:16.000So I would, I actually, the way I view In-N-Out Burger is different than probably how younger people view In-N-Out Burger, which is that it has a taste that's associated with memories, especially vacation memories and beach memories that you can't break.
00:51:33.000But people who don't have that appreciation for it, that pre-era, it just has a different meaning to you.
00:51:40.000So I love In-N-Out Burger because It has all these memories.
00:51:49.000When they came to Arizona, it was the biggest deal ever.
00:51:53.000When they first opened up the first restaurants in Arizona, it was such a big deal.
00:51:57.000And it still is. You go to any In-N-Out Burger any night, it's like Chick-fil-A. Chick-fil-A In-N-Out.
00:52:02.000It's the longest lines that you'll find in the entire state.
00:52:06.000The taste, I still, every time I taste it, the spread, it's like, I think of being in California, the beach, I can almost like smell like the sea air.
00:52:17.000In 2016, my dad, I was out of the home by this point.
00:52:22.000My dad flew our family, so a lot of my siblings were still at home, but he's also like, Blake, I'll buy you a ticket, you have to come with us.
00:52:29.000And he flew our entire family To Los Angeles.
00:52:32.000This is the first time I had been to Los Angeles so that we could go visit the Reagan Library and the Reagan Ranch, which is definitely like the most I am a baby boomer conservative thing that my family has ever done.
00:52:48.000But, as part of that, we ended up going to In-N-Out, I think, two or three separate times because our Airbnb was close to one.
00:52:56.000And it's as you describe, it was very long lines.
00:52:59.000This was right when I think the cult of In-N-Out was really becoming a nationwide awareness thing.