The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 59 — Bring Back Blue States? Michigan Vibe Shift? Forrest Gump, Bad?

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00:01:11.000 Hello, everybody. No, no, Jack.

00:01:14.000 I'm here. He literally got into the seat as the...

00:01:19.000 I literally just got the message that says, open jack.

00:01:22.000 It says right there. That was my bad.

00:01:25.000 It's my bad. And then you sent me your coded message.

00:01:28.000 I don't know what that is.

00:01:30.000 I assume if I click on it, my crypto wallet gets strained.

00:01:33.000 You guys take it.

00:01:34.000 I am here to absorb.

00:01:36.000 Okay, alright. Well, we were just talking before we went live.

00:01:40.000 If you could change anything about the U.S. political system that's not like a partisan thing, like, oh, I'm a conservative, I want a conservative thing to happen, but just change one neutral thing about the system, what would it be?

00:01:55.000 Because it was like we were talking about how it feels like this is the never-ending election even though we are actually close to the end of the election and it just feels like it started forever and then we know that whatever the next cycle is it's going to start like probably halfway through election night so we were joking before about how the British have this system where you know you're you're only legally allowed to campaign like I forget what it is three or four weeks prior to the general election Yeah.

00:02:21.000 And so, you know, it would be kind of nice if we could have that.

00:02:25.000 I mean, obviously it would run up against the First Amendment, but kind of nice if you just like get away from politics for two seconds.

00:02:32.000 But no, no, we can't do that.

00:02:33.000 So yeah, the question is, and Blake, that's what you were saying, you'd want to change the primary date, I think?

00:02:40.000 Yeah, I think I would just make it so, like you said, maybe you have two or three weeks of official campaigning for a primary.

00:02:48.000 You have your official primary day, maybe like last week of September, first week of October.

00:02:53.000 Then you have your month election period.

00:02:55.000 And then, bam, you're done.

00:02:57.000 It's over. And you can't start campaigning again until pretty close to the next election.

00:03:02.000 Isn't that just...

00:03:04.000 How do you reconcile that with free speech, though?

00:03:05.000 So, I think... I think?

00:03:27.000 Well, you probably couldn't as easily.

00:03:29.000 There are obvious consequences.

00:03:31.000 I'm saying this is a change I would make.

00:03:33.000 I'm not saying it's illegal to make it.

00:03:35.000 We're just saying if you were waving a magic wand, it could change something.

00:03:39.000 You think there should be a national primary date?

00:03:42.000 Yeah, I think that'd be a good idea.

00:03:44.000 You want a big government nationalized primary day instead of a state's rights? 0.90

00:03:47.000 I don't know that it's a super important part of states' rights.

00:03:51.000 You don't think it's important that states get to decide?

00:03:54.000 Here in Arizona, our snowbirds don't come back until...

00:03:58.000 As entertaining as it is, and I guess as lucrative as it is for us as people who cover politics, I don't think it's super amazing that it takes eight months, just the primary process, and we have all this maneuvering where Iowa matters a ton, and then New Hampshire, and then like, oh...

00:04:17.000 To your point...

00:04:18.000 Wait, if there was one thing I would change, it would be...

00:04:25.000 The first in the nation primaries.

00:04:27.000 And so I know there's a lot of people who are like, that's the Holy of Holies, you can't touch it.

00:04:31.000 How dare you! Oh no, in the RNC too, they're like, you can't touch Iowa or New Hampshire.

00:04:37.000 You know why we would do this, by the way?

00:04:39.000 It's because of the corn god. We are enthralled to the corn god who commands that we prostrate ourselves before him in the state of Iowa.

00:04:46.000 I mean, I think There should be a lottery, and this would be a big thing.

00:04:54.000 Everybody would be a big national thing, a big lottery thing, and we're all talking about it.

00:05:01.000 We could do it like the NBA lottery.

00:05:02.000 If your state is doing really bad economically, you would get more balls than the hopper for getting the first primary.

00:05:08.000 That's great. If you're the worst, you get more balls. 0.98

00:05:14.000 I think that it's time, and it's still law, To go back to taxpayer-funded presidential elections. 0.99

00:05:21.000 Yeah, I think, I mean, that's how you could do it.

00:05:22.000 We did it before Obama. No, I mean, it's already law.

00:05:24.000 By the way, it's not a new law. It's just that every year the candidates reject the money.

00:05:28.000 I think what you need to do is make the money so hard, like, say that you get $2 billion, and then...

00:05:33.000 That's it. That's it. But you can't, by the way, just so we're clear, that means there's no fundraisers.

00:05:37.000 No fundraisers. And then you have to figure out, and I say this as someone who runs an outside group, a PAC and a C4 with Tyler, you've got to figure a way to rein in the outside groups.

00:05:44.000 The Citizens United case was legitimately the right decision, like constitutionally.

00:05:49.000 It's bad for our country.

00:05:50.000 I'm sorry. It is bad.

00:05:52.000 We're in permanent politics.

00:05:53.000 I am with the Young Turks on this one.

00:05:55.000 It is bad.

00:05:57.000 It is bad.

00:05:59.000 I totally agree.

00:06:02.000 To be clear, the specific case, they wanted to censor a documentary attacking Hillary.

00:06:06.000 A book, actually. That was an insane claim.

00:06:09.000 Just so we're clear, it was one of those things where it was the right constitutional decision that was bad for the country.

00:06:16.000 It's the right decision, but here's the point.

00:06:18.000 Nobody saw what the left was going to do after that, which was basically weaponize all these C3s and C4s. 1.00

00:06:23.000 Exactly. With no regulation.

00:06:25.000 And we're just barely figuring this out as a nation.

00:06:28.000 It's so bad. Basically what it has done is it's gamified politics of whoever has the more complex, sophisticated infrastructure against political power, not who has better ideas or a better track record.

00:06:39.000 That's right. And that's bad.

00:06:40.000 I just don't think that's actually healthy.

00:06:42.000 You know why this is bad?

00:06:44.000 Can I just say this real quick?

00:06:45.000 You know why I think it's bad? The entire concept of America is built on the individual.

00:06:50.000 So anything that takes away from the individual, whether that's, again, the same argument the left makes against corporations, this is the same thing as corporations acting as C3s and C4s.

00:07:00.000 So this would be another controversial kind of secular nonpartisan change, but maybe a little more dangerous and definitely not good for us right now.

00:07:09.000 But I do kind of wonder if like, would it be good if we had a very long but in existence like term limit on Supreme Court justices?

00:07:20.000 So it would work this way.

00:07:21.000 You need to turn this first on Congress before you go to Supreme Court.

00:07:24.000 That's what I always say. Look in the mirror first.

00:07:26.000 For sure, for sure. So the thinking here, what I'm thinking is, it's clearly like, one thing that's clearly driving the left insane and why they're going to nuke the filibuster and do all this radical stuff is because they see the Supreme Court as this huge obstacle.

00:07:42.000 So what if you did it, this is a system, actually I think Steve Saylor proposed this, where basically you still have the nine justices, and what it is is when you get picked, you get an 18-year term, and so a full 18-year term, and if you die or retire, you can be replaced, but that replacement can only serve out your term.

00:07:58.000 I have a question. And then what this does, just to finish it up, what this would do is, it means every president would get two picks, and It would take three consecutive terms in a row to get a majority on the Supreme Court.

00:08:10.000 And you wouldn't get this thing where it's not as tempting to pack the court.

00:08:16.000 And it would diminish somewhat this thing where they've realized having them on the court for life is such an advantage.

00:08:22.000 So we're picking 40-year-olds to serve on the Supreme Court now.

00:08:25.000 Because they're like, oh, they'll be there for 50 years.

00:08:27.000 And it's clearly like...

00:08:29.000 Both parties are starting to realize the extreme elements latent in the Supreme Court, and I do worry it's going to eventually cause one of them to have a psychotic break and blow up the system.

00:08:39.000 It's because post-Bork, the Supreme Court has become politicized.

00:08:42.000 It is much more political.

00:08:43.000 Prior Bork, it was not.

00:08:45.000 Bork was the Rubicon.

00:08:46.000 Yeah. Bork, then Thomas.

00:08:48.000 And it made sense, too, that we needed it to be more political, because what we were doing is we just had Eisenhower going and picking Earl Warren, and then Earl Warren is going and being like, yeah, I'm just going to remake the entire constitutional order.

00:08:59.000 And then Berger did the same thing.

00:09:00.000 Yeah, and Berger was a lot better.

00:09:02.000 The Berger court was a big improvement. 0.98

00:09:03.000 He sucked. Personally, his court was an improvement over Warren's. 0.81

00:09:08.000 That'll get clipped, because they'll be like, oh, Warren did the...

00:09:11.000 Warren was really bad.

00:09:13.000 Yeah, Warren, like, I mean, that's why we get all these, you know, insane pro-crime decisions, and then we had a giant crime surge.

00:09:19.000 You get... That's where you get the Supreme Court saying, actually, all those laws that ban racial discrimination actually require racial discrimination, and, you know, you have the rights to abortion, like...

00:09:30.000 All this insane stuff comes out of the judicial ideology they had.

00:09:33.000 Anyway, that's very much downstream.

00:09:35.000 Jack had a fun rule he wanted to change in the U.S. political system.

00:09:39.000 Well, I want to ask you this question before you get to Jack.

00:09:41.000 Real quick. Would you trade term limits for Congress for Supreme Court? 0.92

00:09:48.000 As in, take Congress term limits instead?

00:09:50.000 So Charlie said that we need...

00:09:52.000 Would you want Supreme Court term limits if we could get congressional term limits? 0.98

00:09:58.000 I don't know that term limits in Congress are overall as useful.

00:10:03.000 I don't know what you'd be fixing with that necessarily.

00:10:06.000 I worry that if you had term limits in Congress, it would make Congress even more kind of controlled by like lobbyists and DC lifers because there would be no one with like the level of experience in Congress to counteract them.

00:10:17.000 They would just kind of do what people advise them to.

00:10:19.000 I think that was the intention of Congress to begin with.

00:10:21.000 I mean, California has term limits, and is California great?

00:10:24.000 We have term limits here in Arizona.

00:10:26.000 Yeah, and I don't know.

00:10:28.000 I'm not sold on that. One crazy idea I had was if you made it so once you serve in Congress or in a senior executive position...

00:10:37.000 You can literally never earn more money than you make while a member of government, so there's not as much incentive to cash out.

00:10:45.000 It's a public service thing.

00:10:46.000 You maybe go into it after your career is done.

00:10:48.000 That won't hold up in court, though, unfortunately.

00:10:50.000 You can't restrict people's income. You can't become a lobbyist.

00:10:52.000 Eh, I bet you could.

00:10:53.000 Give me one example of where you've been able to say you can't earn a certain amount of money.

00:10:57.000 Well, you could earn a certain amount of money, but you could radically increase their tax rate.

00:11:00.000 Or you could increase, like...

00:11:02.000 You just take their money.

00:11:03.000 Yeah! Or you just say this.

00:11:05.000 I am in favor of taking the money of people who are in the government.

00:11:08.000 I know. A lot of this stuff will get struck down.

00:11:09.000 You can just outlaw somebody.

00:11:11.000 We're kind of wildly speculating here.

00:11:14.000 The question is if you could change anything.

00:11:17.000 Just change anything. You can outlaw someone becoming a lobbyist after...

00:11:22.000 That would be another one. Lifetime or decade-long lobbying ban.

00:11:26.000 Lifetime. You could do stuff like that.

00:11:29.000 Often my thought was you could also hike the pay of Congress.

00:11:32.000 Singapore does this. In Singapore, government officials are paid a ton of money But the standards for them are very high.

00:11:39.000 So that's one way you could do it. You could maybe say, yeah, senators, you make 400k a year or 500k, but you can never make more than that once you leave.

00:11:47.000 Or same for the House. And, you know, that would be a few million dollars.

00:11:49.000 People would be annoyed by it. But I think the incentive shift would be...

00:11:53.000 Let me talk about one of our partners here, then I have to step out for just a second here.

00:11:56.000 But let me go to one of these here.

00:11:57.000 And I don't know if this was even a topic, but I'm glad we did this.

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00:12:34.000 I will be right back. You guys keep going.

00:12:36.000 All righty. Well, you're going to miss out on a very fun topic, but it's okay.

00:12:39.000 Yeah, so, well, Tyler will be good on this.

00:12:42.000 So the first one that I wanted to say is just that I don't So, you know, just having little kids, it's really tough, and Tyler, I'm sure you can attest to this as well, that it's really tough having election season being this close to Halloween.

00:12:57.000 Because it's like, you want to do, you know, the fun fall stuff, you want to do jack-o'-lanterns and And Tonya Tay is like, oh, let's go on the hayride.

00:13:07.000 And I'm like, no, let's go to Pennsylvania and North Carolina and Georgia and win the election and let's go to all this stuff.

00:13:14.000 And you're like, meanwhile, you know, because it's again, the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November is the Constitution.

00:13:20.000 And that made sense when we were an agrarian society.

00:13:23.000 But now it's sort of like, you know, lots of modern countries vote on all sorts of different days.

00:13:28.000 And You know, Blake and I were joking before we went live that I used the old joke that, oh, we should vote on April 16th so it's the day after everybody pays taxes or something, you know, that's when you have everyone go to the polls.

00:13:41.000 But it's just like, does it really have to be this close to Halloween?

00:13:44.000 It's killing you, man. It's just killing me.

00:13:46.000 I totally agree. We were just actually talking about this with Charlie because Charlie's like, hey, I've got...

00:13:50.000 He's like, I've got some space on my calendar to do some extra things we're trying to figure out with our team, going out and doing more get-out-the-vote stuff because that's how we're thinking.

00:13:58.000 We're just like every second, every hour.

00:14:00.000 And he's like, okay, I have this time on a Thursday.

00:14:03.000 And I'm like, okay, show it to me.

00:14:05.000 It was... 10.31.

00:14:07.000 I'm like, that's Halloween. He's like, can we go do a big rally?

00:14:12.000 I'm like, it's going to be really hard in the Midwest to get a bunch of families together on Halloween night.

00:14:17.000 He's like, oh, I didn't think about that.

00:14:19.000 And I was like, well, what can we do?

00:14:21.000 We're thinking of some other strategies that we're going to do, some other things later that night while everybody's at home and kids are lining up their candy on the ground.

00:14:29.000 Halloween's on a Thursday this year.

00:14:32.000 That means that's a thought crime night, isn't it?

00:14:34.000 Yeah, I guess. Very spooky edition of thought cards.

00:14:37.000 Is Charlie normal on Halloween, or does he have...

00:14:39.000 I know some people are like, you know, it's Soen, and it's like demonic or satanic or whatever.

00:14:46.000 I mean, look, we have a lot of religious that are listening at home right now who are not big fans of Halloween.

00:14:52.000 Totally appreciate that.

00:14:53.000 Totally understand that.

00:14:54.000 I kick the more, you know, Hallmark approach to Halloween, which is just like...

00:15:01.000 Culturally, I think this is a thought crime subject that we can kind of maybe transform this into because I totally agree with Jack.

00:15:06.000 It's like Election year is really tough.

00:15:09.000 Halloween always sucks because it's literally days, hours, stressful moments before the election.

00:15:15.000 But here's the bigger question on Halloween is how much should you celebrate Halloween in general as an American cultural element? 0.60

00:15:28.000 I love Halloween because of the culture in it.

00:15:31.000 When you go overseas, and Jack can probably attest to this a little bit with...

00:15:35.000 His extended family and everything else.

00:15:37.000 People abroad have this obsession with how America celebrates Halloween.

00:15:43.000 It's a really interesting thing.

00:15:45.000 In Eastern Europe, All Saints Day and All Souls Day are bigger than Halloween.

00:15:50.000 So, Halloween is growing in westernized places in different parts of even Asia and Europe, but in Eastern Europe, the institution of Halloween goes back to All Saints Day being November 1st, and then All Souls Day is the day after.

00:16:06.000 In Eastern Europe, if it's early November and you go to the cemetery, and this is where we get the name Halloween, comes from All Hallows' Eve, and hallowed being a soul or a saint.

00:16:15.000 And so, like when you say that our Father, hallowed be thy name, holy be thy name, hallowed, All Hallows' Eve.

00:16:22.000 So, on that day, if you go to a cemetery in Poland or anywhere in Eastern Europe, you're just going to see candles everywhere and garlands of wreaths.

00:16:31.000 And bouquets of flowers.

00:16:33.000 It's not like the Mexican Day of the Dead, although it's not...

00:16:38.000 Dissimilar. I mean, there's certainly some similarities to it in terms of honoring those who passed before you.

00:16:43.000 But that's really where it goes back to.

00:16:46.000 And so you don't know. You don't get like trick-or-treating and jack-o'-lanards and things like this in other parts of the world and the costumes and all.

00:16:52.000 Again, you are starting to see some areas that are celebrating it in the American way in the same way that you can go to Japan and China.

00:17:00.000 In some places, they have Santa Claus and Christmas.

00:17:03.000 But then of course you can't go to Saudi Arabia and celebrate Christmas because Christian holidays are banned in the kingdom.

00:17:09.000 So there you go.

00:17:11.000 All right.

00:17:12.000 Should we go on to the boat topic?

00:17:15.000 Wait, wait, wait. But there was the one other change, Blake, that we were talking about before.

00:17:21.000 Oh yeah, the map?

00:17:22.000 Yeah, the map. So Tyler, where are you on this?

00:17:25.000 Because Blake and I are actually in agreement.

00:17:27.000 Red and blue. We want to change the colors back.

00:17:30.000 We want to change it back to...

00:17:32.000 Is what? The greatest cultural hijacking of the Republican Party happened in that election with Bush where they swapped the colors on us.

00:17:39.000 Blue is a better color.

00:17:41.000 Thank you! It's the conservative color.

00:17:44.000 I can't remember who it was. And red are the commies. 0.82

00:17:47.000 Red should always be the commies like they are all around the world. 1.00

00:17:50.000 It was NBC News or CBS. It was one of the two.

00:17:55.000 Because remember, this is just before the 24-hour news cycle.

00:17:59.000 Cable news had really taken toll.

00:18:01.000 And people have to get this. The red states and blue states thing did not exist prior to the year 2000.

00:18:06.000 That was not a thing.

00:18:08.000 It was the 2000 election they decided.

00:18:11.000 Yeah, they totally decided it.

00:18:12.000 It was NBC got together in cahoots with CBS where you would tune in, and they just decided overnight to swap red states and blue states, probably because they saw polling that said that people didn't like the color red as much.

00:18:27.000 Well, I think they used to just actually switch it back and forth a lot.

00:18:31.000 No, that's not true. It was always...

00:18:33.000 The blue states during Reagan, it was like Reagan was blue, and that was in the American psyche.

00:18:42.000 You know what it was, though?

00:18:44.000 Tyler, what it was was that some networks did it that blue was the incumbent and then red was the challenger.

00:18:52.000 So because Reagan was the incumbent, Reagan was blue, and then his challengers would be in red because red was like the challenger.

00:19:01.000 But even prior to that, I think it's what Blake said, it was just sort of like you would depict your opposition as blue, basically.

00:19:07.000 Or excuse me, your opposition would be red because during the Cold War, nobody wanted to be red.

00:19:11.000 And your point, too, is this, is that worldwide, all of the Labor Party colors, all of the socialism left-of-center colors are always red on every map.

00:19:26.000 And again, outside of America, it's the conservative parties sometimes take hold, but then most of them are known as liberal democratic parties, which are the Republican equivalents in most countries, and they're always depicted as blue.

00:19:42.000 Always depicted as blue.

00:19:44.000 That swap didn't happen until 2000.

00:19:46.000 And that is not taught in schools.

00:19:48.000 And it should be taught in schools.

00:19:50.000 And we should demand it.

00:19:51.000 When Trump takes back over, he should come out and be like, I think we need to have blue back on the map.

00:19:58.000 I'm not going to. We're going to make this an executive order.

00:20:01.000 It would be an amazing marketing. Everyone would rebuy the blue MAGA hat.

00:20:04.000 Yeah, it should be. We're going to do a blue MAGA hat, and this next election, J.D., God bless J.D., he's going to be an incredible president, or whoever Trump endorses.

00:20:14.000 He's only going to be depicted as blue from now on.

00:20:18.000 Otherwise, we're going to cut funding for PBS. We should do that anyway.

00:20:25.000 PBS should come out, hey, just so you know, this next election, Republicans are going to be depicted as blue, and then everyone's going to have to follow suit.

00:20:33.000 It's so easy, right?

00:20:35.000 That's the pathway. Man, I'm looking now, like, through the history, and they're like, yeah, they actually do overtly say this, where they were just like, yeah, like, you know, the red state thing associated, the Democrats were not happy about being associated with, like, pinko commies. 0.86

00:20:48.000 They didn't like reds, so they wanted blue. 0.96

00:20:51.000 Such a scam, man.

00:20:52.000 Such a scam. Total scam.

00:20:54.000 Just straight up hijacking.

00:20:56.000 It definitely is a real thing.

00:20:58.000 So what else are we discussing?

00:20:59.000 A boat sank, Charlie. Did you hear about this?

00:21:01.000 We haven't even gotten to our actual first topic.

00:21:04.000 That was a fun riff.

00:21:06.000 So have you heard about this?

00:21:08.000 There was a lesbian boat captain or something? 1.00

00:21:09.000 Okay, yeah. So basically, I think the worst defeat in the entire history of the Royal Navy was, I think, there was a battle they lost in World War I where one German ship sank eight of their ships or something like that.

00:21:23.000 Anyway, when that happened, it was maybe...

00:21:25.000 3% of the total Royal Navy.

00:21:27.000 Anyway, I only bring that up for comparison because basically more than 10% of the entire New Zealand Navy just sank in peacetime.

00:21:36.000 It was their first ship lost since World War II. Let me get the name because it's this wackadoodle...

00:21:42.000 So this is not the U.S. Navy? This is not the U.S. Navy, but it's part of the American Empire because who are we kidding?

00:21:48.000 It's New Zealand. And so this was the HMNZS Mana Wanui, a hydrographic vessel commissioned in 2019, and it sank off the coast of Samoa four days ago.

00:22:05.000 Because it ran aground somehow, had a gash ripped in it, and the whole thing sank.

00:22:11.000 And that is noteworthy, because the captain of this nautical vessel was the first woman and first lesbian commander of a ship in the New Zealand Navy.

00:22:21.000 And... You know, people are drawing hateful conclusions based on that, Charlie.

00:22:27.000 So, why would they draw hateful conclusions?

00:22:30.000 You're not allowed to mention that she's...

00:22:31.000 Was she chosen as like a DEI deal?

00:22:34.000 Well, you know, officially no, but unofficially, who are we kidding?

00:22:38.000 We're not supposed to talk about it now, but I think we can all agree, you know, before she unfortunately managed to do the one thing you're not supposed to do with your boat, which is sink it by running into things.

00:22:49.000 It was kind of highlighted.

00:22:52.000 Oh, look at the diversity we have in our Navy.

00:22:54.000 We have this extremely diverse person doing this not traditionally diverse job.

00:23:00.000 So, you know, we're all very happy about this.

00:23:02.000 But this is an incredible thing I wanted to highlight, which right after this happened, a fellow on X named John Conrad, who is the CEO of Maritime News, he had an extremely...

00:23:15.000 Funny take on this.

00:23:16.000 He says, Driving a ship to not sink.

00:23:45.000 She said losses are to be expected, and they are okay, especially if there's no loss of life.

00:23:51.000 She said we shouldn't try to investigate this from a male perspective, but learn lessons from a female perspective. 0.89

00:23:59.000 So this is all a learning experience, Charlie.

00:24:02.000 Women are learning how to drive boats without sinking them, and we need to be understanding. 1.00

00:24:07.000 This boat cost $100 million, by the way.

00:24:10.000 And we've got to be very understanding and empathetic about this, you know, as we worry about China expanding aggressively.

00:24:20.000 The real tragedy, Charlie, would be if we allowed this sunk boat to sink our commitment to diversity.

00:24:26.000 We can't allow that to happen.

00:24:28.000 It would put an anchor On the DEI agenda.

00:24:32.000 It would. It would. It'd be heartbreaking.

00:24:34.000 We need to sail.

00:24:36.000 The high seas of equity can be turbulent, but they must be sailed.

00:24:42.000 I think these programs have gone completely overboard.

00:24:45.000 Jack was in the Navy. Completely overboard with these programs.

00:24:50.000 I think we should hoist these programs by the yardarm, and we definitely want to keelhaul over in It does remind me, though, of...

00:25:18.000 Funny enough, it's not really a DEI story, but Blake, you're familiar with the work of L. Ron Hubbard, right?

00:25:24.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dianetics.

00:25:26.000 Yeah, Dianetics and Scientology.

00:25:29.000 He spent a lot of time on a boat.

00:25:30.000 No, he did. Yeah, it was called the Church of Scientology has a boat right now.

00:25:38.000 Oh, yeah, that's where you get the top-level Scientology revelations.

00:25:41.000 It's the Sea Organization, the Sea Org.

00:25:42.000 O-T-8 or something they call it, yeah.

00:25:44.000 But did you know that L. Ron Hubbard, prior to all of this, in World War II served as a Navy officer?

00:25:51.000 And when he was in the Navy officer, he worked on a patrol boat out of San Diego.

00:25:56.000 And one of his jobs on the patrol boat was to escort aircraft carriers in and out of harbor.

00:26:03.000 Again, during World War II, so there was this real risk that Japanese submarines might come in and attack the aircraft carriers as they were going in and out of port.

00:26:10.000 This was a time when they were extremely vulnerable.

00:26:12.000 Obviously Pearl Harbor had happened, so there was a lot of tension around the harbors.

00:26:16.000 And so at one point he escorts this, I don't see what ship it was here, he escorts this aircraft carrier out and then he's bringing it back in and he orders his men to, he's very young here, it was before Dianetics and everything, and he orders the men to sail towards these islands that are just south of Coronado.

00:26:34.000 And when he does this, he then decides to hold an unsanctioned gunnery exercise while he's there and says, open fire on those islands and let's just get some gunnery exercise while we're in, unscheduled, etc., etc.

00:26:47.000 Well, it turns out that he had actually sailed south of the border and into the territorial waters of Mexico.

00:26:54.000 And that those were part of the Coronado Island chain that actually fell under Mexican sovereignty.

00:27:00.000 And so, long story short, L. Ron Hubbard was relieved of command for accidentally declaring war on Mexico.

00:27:08.000 I have no comment.

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00:27:49.000 Now, wait a minute, Charlie.

00:27:51.000 On this topic, someone did have a good commentary here, and this is like a DEI-related comment.

00:27:57.000 The comment on the thread was, It's always the left celebrating people's sexuality and where they come from, from a minority status or whatever else, until they screw up and then they don't recognize them anymore.

00:28:13.000 That's true. Look at this wonderful captain of this ship that's the first lesbian ever to captain a ship. 1.00

00:28:19.000 And then she sinks the ship and then she's not a lesbian anymore. 1.00

00:28:21.000 They don't cover that part.

00:28:23.000 And it's the same thing that happens whenever people commit crime that are out on the streets.

00:28:27.000 They want to celebrate people for their...

00:28:32.000 For their gender, for their ethnicity, for all that.

00:28:35.000 But as soon as they commit a crime, they're like, oh, I think this is a man with a dark complexion.

00:28:40.000 He's no longer Hispanic or black or whatever, whenever somebody commits a crime. 0.98

00:28:45.000 Same thing. So you can't have it both ways.

00:28:48.000 And that's actually what's destructive in society.

00:28:51.000 Michigan. Tyler, do you want to talk about what's going on in Michigan?

00:28:53.000 All of a sudden, I mean, over the summer, we thought Michigan was kind of dead.

00:28:57.000 And all of a sudden, Michigan has roared back to life as a legitimate, not a BS like one-off poll, a legitimate battleground state.

00:29:05.000 And this has kind of been a slow crawl, Trump down four, Trump down three.

00:29:09.000 All of a sudden, poll after poll shows Trump up in Michigan.

00:29:12.000 Tyler, what is going on here?

00:29:14.000 I have a theory, and then I want to hear your theory.

00:29:16.000 Well, I mean, look, we saw in 2016 the surprise win in Michigan happened because the left invested so little into the state of Michigan that they thought it was just like a done deal that Hillary was going to win Michigan.

00:29:28.000 There's a couple of things to think about we can get into potentially down the road here, but Michigan is just right over the border from Ohio.

00:29:34.000 You have a lot of the same things, right?

00:29:36.000 Blue-collar workers, the unions.

00:29:38.000 Mm-hmm. Are clearly coming out in support of Donald Trump.

00:29:42.000 So the polling that's taking place within the SEIU, for example, which is huge in Michigan, is coming out and saying, we've got a big Trump base here that is unexpected, that we've never seen before.

00:29:54.000 That spells doom for the left because there's a lot of secret voters, a lot of people who don't want to come out and talk about it because union bosses in the state of Michigan are going to hammer you for coming out and supporting Republicans, but that doesn't mean they're not going to vote for Republicans.

00:30:08.000 So that's part of what you're seeing in Michigan.

00:30:10.000 They have a huge problem that we've discussed at length in the inner cities.

00:30:14.000 In Detroit, I personally saw it walking along the streets.

00:30:17.000 There are a lot of black men who are in Michigan who are voting for Trump.

00:30:22.000 That's a huge thing. The Hispanic numbers for Trump are up like an extra 15% across the country.

00:30:27.000 So all those things kind of pull into one thing, which is that's doom for the left.

00:30:32.000 And then not to mention, you have a huge Muslim population that exists in Michigan who are really ticked off at Kamala. 1.00

00:30:40.000 They don't trust Kamala.

00:30:41.000 And if they're looking at this and they're going, hey, if I don't trust Kamala, why would I vote for somebody who's economically going to destroy my business?

00:30:48.000 Yeah.

00:30:49.000 And so that's well said.

00:30:50.000 There's a lot of people who are going to vote for Kamala.

00:30:51.000 The black men are defecting, and they're trying to do some rap concert or something to rally them. 0.98

00:30:55.000 The Arab-Muslim thing, which I want to talk about, Blake, the Israel thing is really screwing them. 1.00

00:30:59.000 It's not getting nearly as much public attention.

00:31:02.000 Let's zero in on this. In all the states where the Israel thing is really hurting them, Michigan is number one. 0.84

00:31:07.000 Number one. And the stuff that's just quietly going on, a very funny one, I only learned about this the other day.

00:31:12.000 day. Did you know that the student government at the University of Michigan is like a bunch of anti-Israel zealots? And they got elected on a platform of like, shut it down till we shut Israel down. And they started defunding all of the student programs. And so there's a hilarious article in either Tablet or Forward, one of the Jewish magazines, that's saying like, you know, they're pointing out that kind of no one cared about this like extremely zealous anti-Israel group. And so they started like they

00:31:41.000 defunded the ultimate Frisbee team.

00:31:43.000 They started just yanking funding from all these things like they shut down like a shuttle service to the airport or something like that. Because they're like, we're shutting it down until until like a Michigan divest from Israel. 0.62

00:31:56.000 And so this is the University of Michigan.

00:31:58.000 So what stands out there is, of course, this is not just a bunch of...

00:32:03.000 It's not a bunch of Muslim activists.

00:32:05.000 It kind of is a crossover of you have Arab Americans and Muslims who are very passionate about this, but also just sort of your young college, really ideologically activated.

00:32:16.000 White liberals. Yeah, white liberals. So the people who go to Ann Arbor.

00:32:19.000 And so these people who would normally be doing tons of get out the vote, these are the people who would have been, you know, harvesting every ballot for Obama.

00:32:27.000 They're the ones who were, you know, pretty active for, well, I should say they actually helped Hillary lose because they were mad about the Bernie Sanders thing.

00:32:34.000 Now these people are, this type of person, is very angry about the war in Lebanon, the fact, you know, they're still mad about Gaza.

00:32:41.000 This stuff is really activating them.

00:32:44.000 And the American wider media has sort of I don't want to say moved on because they are still covering it, but they aren't as attuned to this.

00:32:52.000 But for this subset of the liberal coalition, it's a huge deal.

00:32:58.000 You can see this going on recently.

00:33:00.000 Have you heard about what's going on with Ta-Nehisi Coates?

00:33:03.000 No, but I've seen his name pop up in a lot of group chats.

00:33:06.000 Again, I'm a little busy trying to track early ballots.

00:33:09.000 Of course, of course. So I'll just set this up.

00:33:12.000 He kind of just did the 10-7 thing that they're all doing, basically.

00:33:17.000 So he did, but he was one of the first to do it as well, because he signed an open letter right after the Gaza attack that people didn't like the word enough.

00:33:27.000 But what was going on with Coates is he has a new book out now, which is I think his first book since Between the World and Me, which is a terrible book, but I'll leave that aside.

00:33:37.000 So Coates has a new book out, and one of the essays in it is basically critical of Israel.

00:33:44.000 It says Israel-Palestine is apartheid, or whatever.

00:33:46.000 And what's very funny about this is suddenly some of the left, because there are people on the left who are very pro-Israel, and a lot of the people who used to push Coates really aggressively got very amped up about this and attacked him.

00:33:58.000 And this is blowing up CBS News right now, because I need to get the clip number...

00:34:04.000 So this is 135. He's on CBS News, and they're interviewing him about his book.

00:34:09.000 And just imagine the guy who everyone was saying was like the greatest black intellectual in America getting treated like this in 2014-2015.

00:34:16.000 Let's play 135. And I have to say, when I read the book...

00:34:21.000 I imagine if I took your name out of it, took away the awards and the acclaim, took the cover off the book, the publishing house goes away, the content of that section would not be out of place in the backpack of an extremist.

00:34:35.000 And so then I found myself wondering, Why does Ta-Nehisi Coates, who I've known for a long time, read his work for a long time, very talented, smart guy, leave out so much?

00:34:44.000 Why leave out that Israel is surrounded by countries that want to eliminate it? 0.67

00:34:49.000 Why leave out that Israel deals with terror groups that want to eliminate it?

00:34:53.000 Why not detail anything of the first and the second intifada, the cafe bombings, the bus bombings, the little kids blown to bits?

00:35:00.000 And is it because you just don't believe that Israel, in any condition, has a right to exist?

00:35:08.000 Well, I would say the perspective that you just outlined, there is no shortage of that perspective in American media.

00:35:14.000 That's the first thing I would say.

00:35:16.000 So this blew up CBS News.

00:35:19.000 They are disintegrating right now.

00:35:20.000 They had to have a meeting. They apparently have a race department inside CBS News. 0.99

00:35:25.000 Why? Because you can't take tough questions.

00:35:27.000 It's a race unit, actually. It's like a special investigative unit just focuses on race.

00:35:32.000 No, no, but is it that they were too hard on him or not?

00:35:34.000 That they were too hard on him. That they were too hard on him.

00:35:36.000 Coates himself actually handles it fine, I think.

00:35:38.000 I don't like Coates, but he's kind of a genial guy, so he actually responded to it well.

00:35:43.000 But a lot of people were like, this was a racist attack on him.

00:35:48.000 And of course, they say CBS is shilling for Israel too hard.

00:35:51.000 So this is roiling CBS News in a huge way.

00:35:54.000 And so if you look at kind of the corners of X that we're not normally seen, that's what's going viral here. People got super angry that they got so aggressive on him.

00:36:03.000 And so I think if you're seeing this shift, this is to get it back to Michigan.

00:36:08.000 This issue is still very much alive. If you are a person who's active and involved on left-wing politics, they are paying attention to this a ton, even if maybe our show isn't talking about as much or Fox News or even other mainstream news outlets if they're not focused talking about as much or Fox News or even other mainstream news outlets if they're not focused on as much. It's still a top one, top two issue for these left-wing groups that Kamala is probably going to need to get over the hump in Michigan. And I think people often

00:36:37.000 overstate the percentage of these states that is Muslim or Arab, but it's still a real amount.

00:36:42.000 I think in Michigan it's four or five percent. And if you imagine that's maybe normally a 70 percent Democrat demographic and if that only becomes 50 percent, 45 percent, if a lot of them stay home. We've often discussed how in any of these swing states about 45 percent of the vote is just locked in for each side.

00:37:01.000 So a little like 1% dip in your turnout is catastrophic.

00:37:05.000 I have a projection to make here, I guess, an estimation.

00:37:09.000 I bet Kamala is going to lose more of the Muslim vote in Michigan than Trump will lose of the Mormon vote in Arizona and Nevada. 0.98

00:37:17.000 Is Trump doing bad with Mormons?

00:37:19.000 No, I mean, this is the whole narrative that they're trying to push from the Kamala campaign in Arizona and Nevada, is that, like, oh, oh, oh, all this stuff.

00:37:28.000 But the real story that's happening to this point is that there is a significant bleed-out in the Muslim vote.

00:37:35.000 I would argue even the Jewish vote, but we'll see.

00:37:38.000 It's just not... The polls say it's not happening so far.

00:37:42.000 And the same thing with Mormons, right? 1.00

00:37:44.000 So, like... That could be part of the narrative that comes out of this election is, you know, Trump wins, as we expect in the Sun Belt, Trump wins Arizona and Nevada, right?

00:37:57.000 And we look at the numbers and Trump potentially picks off Michigan.

00:38:02.000 Well, a big part of the narrative and story needs to be and should be is that, hey, you know, we need to spend more time, number one, with the unions.

00:38:10.000 And this is a big conversation for the next four years is we need to talk about Vladimir Lenin hated the unions for one reason, one reason alone, because communism and union spirit don't jive together.

00:38:24.000 And so we have to talk about that and how they all work together.

00:38:28.000 And we need to embrace that in the right way with the Republican Party. 0.98

00:38:32.000 But then this whole issue on the Muslim communities, which is that it turns out when you come to America and you're looking for the American dream and you want to run a business that's more important than You know, just like kowtowing to these stupid little idiosyncrasies that the Democrats have within minority communities. 0.97

00:38:52.000 And if we break through that in the next year, it's game over. 0.96

00:38:56.000 And that's not just with the Muslim community.

00:38:57.000 Like we mentioned, that's with the Jewish community.

00:38:59.000 That's with anyone else.

00:39:00.000 It's like, hey, life is better in America when the government leaves me alone.

00:39:03.000 We don't talk about our race, our ethnicity, even our religion first with the minority communities.

00:39:10.000 We talk about what makes America great, leaving me alone so I can just live my life, and we move forward.

00:39:16.000 And I don't want to get into all that because that's not what thought crime is about.

00:39:20.000 This is a real issue.

00:39:22.000 I think all this talk that the left focuses on, all these little tiny minority communities, including the LDS community that's here, the Muslim community, we have to take what's there on the table and make a real effort in the first year of the Trump administration.

00:39:41.000 Jack, do you have a thought on that?

00:39:42.000 Well, no, just from the union perspective that I know that, you know, looking at Pennsylvania and I know we started talking about Michigan, but Josh Shapiro up there is not whipping the union votes the way that you would normally see in a presidential year.

00:39:54.000 You're not seeing the big union bosses come out for Kamala Harris.

00:39:57.000 You're just not seeing that level of support at the institutional level.

00:40:01.000 And then at the, you know, the factory level or whatever you want to call it, the construction site level, You're not.

00:40:07.000 Again, those guys are all Trump supporters to begin with.

00:40:10.000 So the fact that you're not seeing this big union support, the firefighters union just come out to say that they're not going to be endorsing this year.

00:40:17.000 This is a jump ball. There's a real jump ball here.

00:40:20.000 There's a lot of inroads.

00:40:21.000 And look, it's what Tyler's talking about.

00:40:23.000 I think all of us have been talking about it for a long time, that we're living through a restructuring.

00:40:28.000 And it used to be that the Republicans were the party of, quote unquote, the rich.

00:40:33.000 And the Democrats for the party, the working men, the working family, well, guess what?

00:40:38.000 That seems like that's switching now.

00:40:40.000 So are the Republicans as a party, and will the administration, the Trump administration, which Deo Valente will come into power in a couple of weeks here, that are they really going to make strides towards that?

00:40:54.000 And I think J.D. Vance, of course, being that generational pick, a transformational pick, to be able to do so is uniquely positioned to make that outreach.

00:41:02.000 So the other thing that they're saying that's playing a role in Michigan is Michigan has a ton of working class men that are low propensity, that because of Michigan's looser voter registration rules, I think you can register up to the day voting, right, Tyler? Yes, you can. That there's a lot of working class men that are getting into the roles that are throwing off Democrat projections.

00:41:24.000 There is a ton. I mean, in Michigan, more than any other place, there is what you could call technical school culture.

00:41:31.000 Where you don't go to four-year college and you just kind of, because of the auto manufacturing, understand it's not just that you work for Ford or GM, it's all the auxiliary industries.

00:41:39.000 Contractors. Tons, right?

00:41:40.000 People that just specialize in making tires, that just specialize in making lube parts, like very specialized stuff.

00:41:46.000 And there's hundreds of thousands of men and women, but mostly men, that work in these industries.

00:41:52.000 And they're saying that the male problem could tip Michigan.

00:41:56.000 And then you got Gretchen Whitmer, Doing the Doritos Eucharist? 1.00

00:41:59.000 What was that? By the way, can we get that?

00:42:02.000 This is Michigan, by the way.

00:42:03.000 It's tied into Michigan. It's interesting if that's correct, because it would be backfiring.

00:42:09.000 When I've said, I've argued Michigan is probably the toughest get, and one of the biggest factors is they have probably the most militant left-wing government of any of the swing states.

00:42:20.000 You have Whitmer, you have their Secretary of State, who I, is that Noslin or something?

00:42:25.000 No, Dana Nessel is the Attorney General.

00:42:28.000 Yes. And then you have Jocelyn Berger or something.

00:42:32.000 Both of those people, very radical. 0.92

00:42:34.000 Dana Nessel is a very evil person. 1.00

00:42:35.000 She's very evil. She's a maximum lawfare. 1.00

00:42:38.000 It's Jocelyn Benson.

00:42:40.000 It's like the Troika of girl bosses in Michigan. 0.81

00:42:45.000 I'm praising them.

00:42:47.000 They're highly effective political operatives.

00:42:49.000 They care about maximizing the left's odds of getting wins.

00:42:54.000 And... For Democrats for decades, that was make it as easy as possible to register, make it as easy as possible to get those low-propensity voters in.

00:43:04.000 If we're correct that low-propensity is a conservative-leaning group this election, it would definitely be funny and interesting if we were to win Michigan and maybe not Wisconsin specifically because of that.

00:43:16.000 And I'm checking polymarket odds right now.

00:43:18.000 They still say Pennsylvania is the most likely of the three kind of blue-wall states we're looking at.

00:43:24.000 But Michigan is surging. But it's right up there.

00:43:25.000 So it's 56%.

00:43:26.000 Their laws are so bad.

00:43:28.000 Here's my prediction. Again, Kamala has no lack of money because she's getting, you know, probably, allegedly, Iranian laundered money through ActBlue, which there's no way that ActBlue is legitimate.

00:43:36.000 There's no way. I'm sorry. There's no way.

00:43:38.000 Part of it is, part of it is. There is no way.

00:43:41.000 Allegedly. Allegedly.

00:43:43.000 Allegedly, ActBlue. So the...

00:43:45.000 It's not like she has to pick and choose.

00:43:47.000 And so the...

00:43:49.000 I think, Blake, you're hitting something really smart, which is that kind of like the reign of terror of, like, middle-aged women of Michigan. 0.99

00:43:56.000 The reign of terror of the middle-aged women of Michigan. 0.99

00:43:58.000 Like, the men are, like, enough.

00:44:01.000 Right? We have a girl boss of Secretary of State, a girl boss of Attorney General, a girl boss. 1.00

00:44:05.000 Enough of the wine mom... 1.00

00:44:08.000 Tyranny. We need?

00:44:10.000 We will resist.

00:44:11.000 Okay, I'm checking. The men of Michigan, and let me just say one thing, I will say it out loud.

00:44:16.000 Muslim men and women have a very hard time voting for a female for office.

00:44:22.000 They don't believe women should be involved in politics. 1.00

00:44:24.000 Now, I don't share that view, but that is an Islamic view.

00:44:28.000 You know how many Muslim women come up to me on campus asking for selfies? 1.00

00:44:32.000 And I ask, like, oh, what's up?

00:44:34.000 They say, Oh, we love Trump, blah, blah, blah.

00:44:36.000 Kamala's the worst. And I was like, oh, why? 0.70

00:44:38.000 Like, oh, women shouldn't be in politics. 1.00

00:44:39.000 I'm like, oh, okay. Well, you know, that's your view.

00:44:41.000 I guess you import the third world. 0.99

00:44:42.000 You get the third world. That might really come back to bottom.

00:44:47.000 That part of the third world is going to hurt the girl boss. 1.00

00:44:50.000 Brigade. I'm checking now.

00:44:51.000 Michigan football, they lost to Washington.

00:44:54.000 Detroit Lions are looking spotty.

00:44:56.000 We might need them to lose a game here or there.

00:44:59.000 All my sports correlated to politics stuff blew up when I thought that Herschel Walker was going to win because Georgia had a good year.

00:45:05.000 Yeah, that's true. My whole theory was stupid. 1.00

00:45:08.000 I feel like we need the Michigan men to be a little more down-spirited, but... 1.00

00:45:13.000 Or maybe they've got to win. As long as Oregon beats Michigan on the 2nd of November, of which I may or may not go to.

00:45:20.000 You know what? Tyler wants me in Happy Valley that day of the Penn State-Ohio State game.

00:45:24.000 That's way more important. I'm going to be at that.

00:45:26.000 Well, if Michigan's in contention, though, it's not.

00:45:29.000 But I guess, which is going to matter more?

00:45:30.000 Because we were talking about how optimism is more important for the right.

00:45:33.000 So do we, for our turnout to be up, do we need their teams to be winning?

00:45:36.000 So they, like, win at sports, win at election?

00:45:39.000 Or do we need them to be, like, America's finished.

00:45:42.000 Penn State is not even going to win the Big Ten.

00:45:45.000 If Penn State beats Ohio State, I guarantee you we'll win that state.

00:45:48.000 Not guarantee you. I'm like, that plate, right?

00:45:49.000 They have not beat Ohio State. But would we lose the You know what's really interesting?

00:45:52.000 Let me ask. When was the last time Penn State football beat OSU? I think it's been like eight years.

00:46:02.000 Last time was October 22nd, 2016, when Trump won the White House, baby.

00:46:08.000 I remember that. That was eight years ago.

00:46:11.000 They won in a dramatic upset, 24-21 in Beaver Stadium.

00:46:15.000 They have not beat Ohio State in eight years.

00:46:21.000 Isn't that crazy? Yeah, that was like their first big win coming out of the whole scandal, remember?

00:46:25.000 Because that's when they started turning things around after the whole Sandusky stuff.

00:46:29.000 Alright, let's see how many more partners I have to mention here.

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00:47:07.000 We can talk about Lieutenant Dan, we can talk about how couples meet, or we can talk about the tranny Star Wars Stormtrooper. 1.00

00:47:13.000 You kind of have to do Lieutenant Dan.

00:47:15.000 Alrighty, okay, we gotta hit Lieutenant Dan.

00:47:18.000 You can do it quickly. You can do all of them.

00:47:20.000 I think you should do all of them. Just really quick.

00:47:22.000 Just fire through all of them. Lieutenant Dan, homeless guy that's actually a really bad guy with a criminal history, you know, stayed in his boat throughout Hurricane Milton and lived.

00:47:31.000 That's great. Do we need to say anything more about him?

00:47:35.000 Is this kind of amazing?

00:47:36.000 Hero or villain? Because I turned to Mikey and I was like, this guy's dead.

00:47:40.000 And he lived. Because he literally stayed in his boat throughout the entire hurricane.

00:47:43.000 And his logic was like, well, if the sea levels increase...

00:47:48.000 And he stayed the entire...

00:47:50.000 It's hilarious. It's like storm surge will just...

00:47:52.000 Yes, he said if the storm surge goes up, his boat will just go up.

00:47:55.000 A rising tide lifts all boats.

00:47:57.000 And so do we have the cut of...

00:47:59.000 And by the way, he also walks around with like...

00:48:01.000 What the heck is it called?

00:48:03.000 He looks like Lieutenant Dan.

00:48:04.000 He has the... Crutches.

00:48:06.000 Crutches, yes. Thank you.

00:48:07.000 And do we have tape of Lieutenant Dan?

00:48:11.000 This guy's right out of Central Casting.

00:48:13.000 Turns out he's like a really bad guy, though, and he has like a criminal, and he tried to set his wife on fire or something.

00:48:16.000 Well, this is like an important part. He also, apparently he battered an officer with a violin.

00:48:21.000 Should not have survived. Points for creativity.

00:48:23.000 Playcut 133. How's the ride?

00:48:26.000 The water's gone. It's going out into the water.

00:48:30.000 It's going out and being pulled out.

00:48:31.000 Yeah. So I guess that's it.

00:48:40.000 He made it. He survived.

00:48:43.000 That's it. Good for him, I suppose.

00:48:46.000 You know, a real thought crime would be Forrest Gump's not a very good movie.

00:48:50.000 You don't like Forrest Gump? Okay, I get why people like it, but especially 30 years on, I think we have to recognize a lot of Forrest Gump is the most obnoxious elements of boomer self-worship.

00:49:06.000 Yeah, you can say that it's not a good message, but it is a good movie.

00:49:11.000 Wait, wait, wait. Time out.

00:49:12.000 Time out. Forrest Gump is the equivalent of We Didn't Start the Fire, okay?

00:49:18.000 You don't have to like Billy Joel.

00:49:20.000 You don't have to like his voice, but you can appreciate the historical context that's built around the movie.

00:49:26.000 Ignore the whole story. But it's just like the entire movie is just like mentally...

00:49:30.000 A mentally challenged boomer lives through important things and becomes rich inexplicably and also makes the civil rights movement succeed. 0.81

00:49:40.000 That's why every boomer connects with people.

00:49:41.000 I know, exactly. It's so outrageous.

00:49:43.000 And it's like propaganda.

00:49:45.000 Every boomer is like, I did that.

00:49:46.000 I passed the civil rights act.

00:49:49.000 I ran across the country.

00:49:50.000 I got super rich and I won.

00:49:53.000 Yeah, exactly. And you know in the novel he like goes into outer space and he becomes like a senator and stuff.

00:49:59.000 It is based on a novel.

00:50:01.000 It is definitely the worst novel to have ever been turned into a like well-received motion picture.

00:50:08.000 Is that right? The movie made it more realistic, which is crazy.

00:50:13.000 Like the movie made the book more realistic to Jack's point.

00:50:15.000 When you first see it, I will say though, as a young kid when I first saw it, it teaches you about the 60s and 70s though.

00:50:21.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying, like, we didn't start the fire.

00:50:24.000 It's like, you get through, it makes history a little bit more fun, which I appreciate.

00:50:28.000 I can get on board with that.

00:50:30.000 Yeah, and then also, it's just...

00:50:31.000 Yeah, I mean, there's...

00:50:32.000 And it's pretty accurate, like, the whole, like...

00:50:36.000 Black Panther scene?

00:50:38.000 Yeah, every single piece that they had on there, like, there's, like, actually really, like...

00:50:42.000 Oh, yeah, I ruined your Black Panther party. 0.99

00:50:45.000 There's like fun parts, like a fun spin on like really like heavy parts of like American history in like the middle of the 20th century.

00:50:53.000 Yeah. What about the fact that Jenny is the villain of Forrest Gump?

00:51:00.000 Yeah. Wait, what did Jenny do?

00:51:02.000 That was really bad. I mean, she was like dumb. 1.00

00:51:04.000 She constantly cheated on Forrest and was like so bad. 1.00

00:51:07.000 Well, they were like an item. She just didn't get with Forrest, really.

00:51:10.000 No, she abused a... 1.00

00:51:13.000 She totally used him. 1.00

00:51:15.000 She manipulated him.

00:51:17.000 And she only came back to him when she had a chronically life-debilitating disease.

00:51:21.000 Like, here, take care of your son.

00:51:23.000 Now you get to meet your son because I'm dying.

00:51:25.000 Yeah, okay. It's so bad.

00:51:26.000 It's like, I don't want anything to do with you.

00:51:28.000 Oh, by the way, yeah, you're super rich and you saved the civilization.

00:51:31.000 And you got a medal of honor.

00:51:33.000 But the point is, too, with him, he overcame that toxic feminism.

00:51:40.000 Who is it? Nicole Kidman?

00:51:41.000 Who is the Jenny actress? 0.74

00:51:43.000 Ah, not Nicole Kidman. I can't remember, though.

00:51:45.000 No, it's Robin Wright.

00:51:47.000 Oh, it is Robin Wright.

00:51:48.000 Was it really? Yeah. No.

00:51:50.000 Yeah, it's Robin Wright. Yeah.

00:51:52.000 And she was in Princess Bride.

00:51:54.000 Yeah, Princess Bride, House of Cards.

00:51:55.000 Really? She's one of those people that has sown her way through, like, a lot of...

00:51:59.000 So she aged herself into a feminist. 1.00

00:52:01.000 She aged from cute love interests to sinking New Zealand ships.

00:52:05.000 I know, no, I mean, exactly.

00:52:06.000 Exactly. She might play the captain in the movie they make out of it. 1.00

00:52:12.000 Into Wine Mom Femme Boss. 1.00

00:52:13.000 It's crazy. She's Princess Bride, too.

00:52:16.000 That's right. She's Princess Bride.

00:52:17.000 I got my event I gotta run to here.

00:52:20.000 So we're not allowed to talk about... What are we allowed to talk about?

00:52:22.000 Sports? We could talk about...

00:52:24.000 What was the last thing that we...

00:52:25.000 We haven't talked about how couples meet yet.

00:52:28.000 If we want to do that, we could also...

00:52:29.000 Yeah, this was actually really interesting.

00:52:31.000 I think about this all the time, this kind of stuff that culturally how America has shifted.

00:52:36.000 I don't know if we can throw up that quick timeline graphic in the background here.

00:52:41.000 I think it's like, yeah, could we play it like silently?

00:52:43.000 Because we could watch it then. While we talk over it.

00:52:45.000 It's 128 as B-roll, yeah.

00:52:48.000 So if you watch it, Charlie, here, it's how couples meet starting in 1930 coming up to the present.

00:52:54.000 And if you look, it's hard to read here, but at the top it's friends and family.

00:52:58.000 It's like over 25% for friends.

00:53:01.000 I saw it earlier, yeah.

00:53:02.000 And obviously no one online in ye olde 60s and 70s.

00:53:07.000 And I think this ends up with over 50% of people meeting on the internet.

00:53:11.000 So it shifted. So the synopsis is that the top four ways I think it started were family.

00:53:19.000 Family was the number one predominant one.

00:53:21.000 Friends. And then it was school and church.

00:53:26.000 Church is pretty low always, although it collapses really hard.

00:53:31.000 It dropped way off in the 70s.

00:53:33.000 Yeah. So the 70s, so after the 60s and 70s, church dropped way off.

00:53:37.000 It's almost you can see how America's evolved based off of where we spend our time.

00:53:45.000 And friends is always going to be there because everyone has friends, whatever.

00:53:48.000 Not everyone has friends anymore, unfortunately.

00:53:51.000 Well, everyone thinks that they have friends.

00:53:53.000 Let's put it that way. What is it those polls where it's like 50% of Americans say they have no friends or whatever?

00:53:59.000 But here's what's so interesting.

00:54:00.000 The more money we've invested into college, the further college has dropped for relationships.

00:54:06.000 So a couple of different things.

00:54:08.000 College was really high up there.

00:54:10.000 Now it's not high up there.

00:54:12.000 We spend probably a thousand times more on colleges now than we did in the early 20th century.

00:54:19.000 You look at that. Church has dropped way, way down.

00:54:24.000 Bar and restaurant's kind of held.

00:54:25.000 Friends has held up there.

00:54:27.000 But then online has basically taken the place of all family, a big chunk of friends, all college, all school, all neighbors.

00:54:38.000 Basically what it's saying to me when I look at this is that people don't leave their house anymore or even start relationships, any kind of relationships, whether it's friendly relationships, at school, at college, with neighbors, all of that.

00:54:52.000 And co-workers is jumped up.

00:54:54.000 So it's like if you don't meet someone online, the only chance you have to meet them is maybe a shot with friends and then at work.

00:55:01.000 Well, I think what's actually interesting looking at this that I do wonder about is the decline in, you know, both school and co-workers is going to line up a lot with sort of the rise of, you know, like Me Too, kind of sexual harassment, like you can definitely like get in a lot more trouble for this than you used to.

00:55:19.000 And, you know, I think there's a libertarian economist, Brian Kaplan, who will talk about this and others will too.

00:55:26.000 Like, This does seem pretty harmful.

00:55:29.000 When you think of who should you be pairing off with, you'd want people you have things in common with.

00:55:33.000 You have shared interests or shared passions or just shared culture, shared nature, shared stuff in common.

00:55:39.000 And one of those things would be people that you are co-workers with.

00:55:43.000 And you know, given that we have integrated workplaces now, it's actually kind of insane that it's like so frowned upon to basically like date coworkers now.

00:55:51.000 And it used to be, if you look at into the 90s, like 15, 16% of people, of couples met while they were at work and you spend a lot of time at work.

00:56:01.000 It's kind of wacky to say that that's largely not acceptable.

00:56:05.000 And the same deal with school.

00:56:07.000 When you were in college is basically the single best time you have in your life where you are around a ton of people who are presumably not married, who are about your age, about your, you know...

00:56:19.000 But marriage is not prioritized for It's not.

00:56:21.000 It's not. And that's bad. But I'd say, one, it's not prioritized.

00:56:24.000 But two, there's a lot of things that actively discourage it as well.

00:56:27.000 I think people are very much trained to be afraid of any level of romantic forwardness or interest that's not carefully mediated.

00:56:37.000 I think a big thing that drives online is not simply that it's easy.

00:56:41.000 It's that it's the only thing...

00:56:43.000 Where you can communicate with someone and it's assumed off the bat that this is a romantic communication and people want that security blanket.

00:56:53.000 And the problem is that that is very unromantic.

00:56:58.000 It is super unromantic to have none of that ambiguity to it.

00:57:01.000 And I think it messes people up, actually.

00:57:04.000 Yeah, I mean, then how many people are meeting online then?

00:57:07.000 How do they say? Over 50% by the end.

00:57:08.000 Well, that's terrible. Yeah, yeah, it's bad.

00:57:11.000 And the apps are bad. Meeting people.

00:57:13.000 How couples meet.

00:57:14.000 It's over 60% in 2024.

00:57:15.000 It's over 60%. That's horrifying.

00:57:19.000 Now, some of those, you know, church declines, but I would say, like, you know, there are religious versions of dating apps.

00:57:26.000 There's, you know, Catholic Match, JDate, Christian, all of those.

00:57:30.000 I have a friend who met someone through, like, a Lutheran dating app, and he had to, like, drive an entire state over because he's in one of those bespoke types of Lutheranism that... 0.72

00:57:41.000 There aren't a ton of. So that does happen.

00:57:43.000 There is some element of that with online.

00:57:46.000 But a lot of all of the trends with online are bad.

00:57:49.000 The other reason it's good to be dating people that you meet in real life is it's a much more...

00:57:54.000 Organic. It's more real.

00:57:56.000 It's more organic. It's also...

00:57:58.000 You don't have...

00:57:59.000 A big problem with online is you create this problem when you're competing with essentially everyone in the world as opposed to the more rational, like you are interfacing with the handful of people you know in your town, in your workplace, in your neighborhood, that sort of thing.

00:58:15.000 Once you're online, people get decision paralysis.

00:58:17.000 This is bad with women because women can get... 1.00

00:58:19.000 You can go on an app and you can get a match from...

00:58:22.000 500, 1,000 men.

00:58:24.000 How do you ever remotely choose between all of those?

00:58:26.000 You don't. Your temptation is always to maybe go after the most desirable one, but women tend to be much like one another, and so they will like similar things, so they'll all end up competing. 1.00

00:58:37.000 There's a whole... A cascade of problems that come from everyone being online.

00:58:43.000 And it's going to destroy civilization and kill us all, Charlie.

00:58:45.000 I think you're right. All right, everybody.

00:58:47.000 Thank you guys for listening today.

00:58:50.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:58:52.000 And keep on committing thought crimes.

00:58:55.000 We'll see you guys next week.

00:58:57.000 And vote, vote, vote in the meantime.

00:58:59.000 Talk to you soon. Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:59:01.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:59:03.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - October 12, 2024

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 59 — Bring Back Blue States? Michigan Vibe Shift? Forrest Gump, Bad?

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