The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 6: Oppenheimer v. Barbie, The Incredible Shrinking Ron DeSantis, Real-Life NPCs

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk show, Thought Crimes.

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00:00:04.000 This is a very chaotic episode of Thought Crimes.

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00:00:16.000 We talk about a different type of thought crime.

00:00:19.000 We talk about Barbie and Oppenheimer, the Michigan alternate elector, and also a recap of ActCon.

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00:01:49.000 We talk about this sometimes.

00:01:50.000 Your faith, has it strengthened?

00:01:52.000 Have you grown closer, farther apart from God?

00:01:54.000 Not just through this, but just in your seven years from Fox, because you do talk more spiritually, especially in the last couple years.

00:02:00.000 I probably shouldn't because, I mean, I love it.

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00:02:05.000 Well, I'll be honest, Tucker.

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00:03:25.000 Welcome to Thought Crimes, everybody, aptly named and mentioned by Tucker Carlson, which is our first segment today.

00:03:33.000 Andrew Colvett joins us, the ever popular Blake Neff.

00:03:38.000 I have people coming up to me all over the time, sending me dating resumes for Blake.

00:03:42.000 And Jack Pasobic, who is in Bedminster, New Jersey.

00:03:46.000 There's a lot going on.

00:03:47.000 Jack, what are you doing in Bedminster?

00:03:50.000 Charlie, I'm over here because as we are taping this episode today, we are just a few hours away from the historic presidential screening of the film A Sound of Freedom with President Trump, Tim Ballard, Eduardo Verostigi, and a number of people involved with the film here present on the Bedminster property.

00:04:12.000 Well, very good.

00:04:14.000 We have a lot to go through today and to cover.

00:04:16.000 The first topic, we were all at Turning Points Action Conference, ActCon.

00:04:24.000 Andrew, I want you to kick it off.

00:04:26.000 You handle all the PR media, do a great job.

00:04:29.000 You've been to dozens of these events.

00:04:31.000 I think this is an event unlike any other.

00:04:33.000 Certainly had its challenges in some ways, but its blessings for sure.

00:04:37.000 Andrew, ActCon, your reaction, winners, losers, people who ended up in the middle.

00:04:41.000 Andrew Colvet.

00:04:43.000 Yeah, no, this was, I think, Charlie, you would agree of all the events that we've executed on, this was probably right up there with the top two most challenging.

00:04:53.000 The other one being 2020 at this same venue, at this same venue during COVID.

00:04:59.000 And we reluctantly returned to this venue thinking that maybe that was just a COVID era thing.

00:05:04.000 But listen, there was some line issues that the Secret Service didn't help with, but I really don't want to focus on any of that.

00:05:11.000 I mean, it was there.

00:05:13.000 We did a great job, I think, dealing with it live in real time.

00:05:17.000 But I will tell you that the biggest winner is Donald Trump from Atcon.

00:05:22.000 There's no doubt.

00:05:23.000 But the second biggest winner is Vivek Ramaswamy, who won basically the second choice vote in the straw poll, which I think surprised a lot of people.

00:05:34.000 That was a massive, massive deal.

00:05:36.000 The electricity in the crowd, I mean, if you go through social media and you look at it, there's no other event in the conservative landscape like the events that Turning Point's able to pull off.

00:05:46.000 I mean, the welcome for Trump, the welcome for Vivek, Bongino, Bannon, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Bobert, Gates, Holly, JD Vance, Senator Cruz.

00:05:57.000 I mean, there's really nothing like it.

00:05:59.000 The lineup is beyond the pale. 0.96

00:06:02.000 And then, hey, listen, the big loser here is Governor Ron DeSantis.

00:06:07.000 I'm a Governor Ron DeSantis fan. 0.68

00:06:08.000 I've been really open about that.

00:06:11.000 You know, we are behind Trump in 2024, but we certainly are not in the business of trashing Governor Ron DeSantis or getting in the mud.

00:06:18.000 Some people are.

00:06:19.000 There's a whole thing going on on social media that you guys, I'm sure, are very well aware of.

00:06:24.000 But listen, we like the governor.

00:06:27.000 We have a lot of respect for what he's done in Florida.

00:06:29.000 But I will tell you, a lot of people say that this was a setup.

00:06:32.000 We were just trying to get Governor Ron DeSantis there so he would get food and heckled.

00:06:36.000 That is a complete and utter lie.

00:06:39.000 We would have rolled out the red carpet for him.

00:06:41.000 I was personally involved in working with his team to get him at that event in Florida.

00:06:46.000 It didn't work out.

00:06:47.000 It looks like they're dealing with some other things in their campaign, some financial things we can certainly talk about.

00:06:54.000 But listen, he would have performed, I believe, 5X as well as he did had he just shown up.

00:07:01.000 The rumor mill, the whisper mill that was going on before the event really soured a lot of people on Governor Ron DeSantis.

00:07:07.000 They wanted him there, and they would have rewarded him had he come.

00:07:10.000 And I think Exhibit A is Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:07:13.000 He got a hero's welcome.

00:07:15.000 He was getting cheered in the after parties.

00:07:16.000 These videos were going viral.

00:07:18.000 And had DeSantis come and owned the moment, shook a lot of hands, rented a room outside, did a party, whatever he wanted to do, he would have owned the moment and it would have been a big win for him.

00:07:28.000 Unfortunately, he missed that opportunity.

00:07:31.000 So, Blake, you have a tendency to be contrarian or see things other people don't see.

00:07:35.000 This is your second turning point event, your first turning point action event.

00:07:38.000 Blake, you watched from afar.

00:07:40.000 What stood out to you?

00:07:41.000 What did you learn?

00:07:41.000 What surprised you, Blake?

00:07:43.000 Or was it just kind of exactly as you would have expected?

00:07:46.000 Blake Neff.

00:07:48.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:07:49.000 I think the overall tone was really similar to it was actually pretty similar to Amfest, which I was at last December.

00:07:56.000 And I think it was about what I expected.

00:07:59.000 You could see the vibe of it is still Donald Trump's Republican Party.

00:08:04.000 I mean, we had all of the candidates' faces out on pasted to a wall in the big area, and people could leave notes on them.

00:08:12.000 And, you know, Trump is in the middle, and all of the notes on his are overwhelmingly positive.

00:08:17.000 And then emanating out from that, you have all the other candidates' faces, and there's fans for each of them, but definitely, I think, more criticism than praise.

00:08:27.000 And even with Vivek, Vivek did really well.

00:08:30.000 But Vivek was really, what he was is he was cementing himself as like a bonus Trump, a Trump alternative, the guy that if Trump, you know, somehow goes to jail or is incapacitated, you know, he could be the guy who steps up in his place, or he could be a Trump vice presidential pick.

00:08:47.000 And like, that's very much what he's running for, as opposed to like, I should unseat Trump or displace Trump in any way.

00:08:54.000 And so then he comes out as the big, you know, winner besides Trump himself.

00:08:58.000 But I think the funniest part of the aftermath for me, and you know, really a fitting symbolism, is that Ron DeSantis decides, I'm not going to go to ACTCON.

00:09:08.000 I'm going to do my own thing.

00:09:09.000 I'm going to go to Iowa.

00:09:10.000 I'm going to play to the national media.

00:09:12.000 And part of the strategy was I'm going to do this big CNN interview on Monday night.

00:09:16.000 And then he just ends up getting shoved out of the news cycle because the Jack Smith news with Trump completely replaces him and makes that a bigger deal instead of whatever DeSantis was going to say.

00:09:28.000 And what did he say?

00:09:29.000 I don't even recall.

00:09:31.000 No, and that, I mean, so we're kind of master clip watchers here, meaning that when there's clips of anything that's interesting between kind of our collective group chats, we kind of have a good pulse on it, right?

00:09:43.000 If there's riots, if there's something happening in Ukraine, if there's a wacky thing said by a candidate, we kind of have our eyeballs on it.

00:09:51.000 There was only one clip that was shared, and that was DeSantis on the woke military with Jake Tapper.

00:09:56.000 And that was it.

00:09:57.000 Jack, I think the most newsworthy item, though, out of the Turning Point Action Conference that I think is still making waves is we asked the question, and I was responsible for the wording of the question.

00:10:09.000 I made it intentionally explicit because we could have worded the question of, are you in favor of sending aid to Ukraine?

00:10:18.000 Are you in favor of helping Ukraine against Russia?

00:10:22.000 The way that we worded it, and I want to make sure I get it right, I believe, is, do you believe that U.S. should be involved at all in the war in Ukraine?

00:10:31.000 95.8% of our attendees said no.

00:10:36.000 Jack, how should we think about this?

00:10:39.000 Well, Charlie, this is something that actually stood out to me a lot.

00:10:42.000 And I remember standing there in the room as you were reading out the numbers because what stood out to me so much, look, people thought that Trump was going to come in first place, and he did, and that wasn't a shock.

00:10:54.000 But Trump, in a sense, actually came in second place in the Turning Point Straw Poll for Turning Point Action.

00:11:02.000 Why do I say that?

00:11:03.000 Because Trump got 85%.

00:11:07.000 Opposition to U.S. involvement in Ukraine actually pulled 10 points higher than support to Trump.

00:11:15.000 And so that means that there may have been people that were maybe giving their vote to Vivek, maybe some of the DeSantis supporters, that this is actually something that aligns the base of the party.

00:11:27.000 And certainly you can look at turning point action as a barometer for the base in the United States.

00:11:33.000 And it's not just Republican.

00:11:35.000 There's an Independence.

00:11:36.000 There's even maybe even some Democrats in there.

00:11:38.000 That there is actually stronger opposition to U.S. involvement.

00:11:43.000 And I understand exactly why you worded the question the way that you worded the question because you didn't say boots on the ground.

00:11:52.000 You didn't say money.

00:11:53.000 You didn't say financing.

00:11:55.000 You didn't say volunteering, et cetera, et cetera.

00:11:57.000 You said involvement because it becomes then a catch-all term.

00:12:02.000 And we're not going to break this out.

00:12:03.000 Look, Richard Barris can go to that.

00:12:05.000 I'm sure he'll be able to come out with some very detailed responses.

00:12:09.000 But you weren't looking for that.

00:12:11.000 You were looking for the big overall most important number.

00:12:16.000 And I got to, I'll even ask you, Charlie, were you surprised to see the number that high?

00:12:22.000 Yeah, and actually, we did a similar one at Amfest and last year where we asked the question of what matters more the U.S.-southern border or Ukraine.

00:12:32.000 And I think the answer, I mean, it's such kind of a layup question.

00:12:35.000 It's not even fairly composed because, of course, most people are going to say the southern border.

00:12:40.000 I think 93% last year said southern border or 94%.

00:12:44.000 This beat that, Jack.

00:12:46.000 And I mean, you can't get 95% of anybody in a room to agree on anything.

00:12:51.000 Right?

00:12:52.000 Let alone this.

00:12:53.000 And so, Jack, but what frustrates me the most is 99% of Republican politicians support what their voters oppose.

00:13:05.000 That's unsustainable, Jack, your reaction.

00:13:08.000 Well, it's completely unsustainable.

00:13:11.000 And I think Mike Pence found that out on Friday when he was on stage with Tucker and then caught himself up in cross statements where Tucker asked him basically a similar question to the way you phrased it.

00:13:24.000 He didn't say the border, but he talked about U.S. cities, the completely deplorable state of our cities, the graffiti, the violence spiraling out of control into the suburbs, into the rural areas.

00:13:35.000 And Pence throws something out there where it sounded like he was saying, that's not my concern.

00:13:41.000 Now, his campaign's trying to walk it out and say, well, no, I wasn't concerned about the tanks and we could do both, et cetera.

00:13:47.000 But he was caught in that trap because it's a trap of his own making.

00:13:53.000 And that's the point that Tucker was making.

00:13:55.000 That's the point that you made later on Twitter, that so many of us later made on Twitter, that the broader truth here is that so many of these Republican politicians are campaigning like it's the 1980s, like we're going up against the Soviet Union, like this is an existential crisis to the United States, who controls the Donbass basin of eastern Ukraine and the Crimea Peninsula when you've got people actually here in the United States that I think, and by the way,

00:14:23.000 this also came up in the Echelon Insights poll.

00:14:26.000 And we were going back and forth with David Sachs and the guys that run Echelon because they pointed out that Ukraine is actually polling number 17 nationwide when it comes to priorities for 2024.

00:14:40.000 Number 17.

00:14:41.000 I haven't gotten the full list yet.

00:14:42.000 I've been meaning to do so, but I've been traveling as I know you have been.

00:14:45.000 And I really want to find out all the 16 things that are ahead of U.S. involvement in Ukraine.

00:14:52.000 I will say that's a little deceiving, though.

00:14:54.000 And it's only deceiving because when I filled out my straw poll answer, I ranked the war in Ukraine as the top issue.

00:15:02.000 But it's not involvement, the war in Ukraine.

00:15:04.000 It's ending the war in Ukraine.

00:15:07.000 And so I think it's in some ways a deceiving question because I think Jack, you and I would agree that it's a top concern of whether or not we stay involved in it.

00:15:16.000 Andrew, also notable out of this, the straw poll results was the lack of confidence in the RNC.

00:15:21.000 77% of people said they don't plan to donate to the RNC.

00:15:26.000 Andrew, the RNC is now trying everything they can to try to get Donald Trump to debate in the upcoming debate in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

00:15:35.000 Andrew, audience was not very supportive of the RNC in any way.

00:15:41.000 No, I mean, actually, one of the things that hasn't gotten a lot of pub, Charlie, is one of the questions like, are you excited about the upcoming debates?

00:15:49.000 This, the RNC primary debates used to be must-watch, absolute mandatory television time, appointment viewing.

00:15:58.000 We didn't make a big deal about this, but it was only like 58% of the audience was excited about them.

00:16:04.000 That's a that's barely a majority, right?

00:16:06.000 Now, Trump, and listen, the RNC got shellacked on are you going to donate to them?

00:16:11.000 It was nearly 80%.

00:16:12.000 I think it was 77% of people said they weren't going to donate.

00:16:16.000 And I want to make one other comment about those issues list because I think it goes straight back to this constant establishment assault against Donald Trump.

00:16:27.000 And that's the top issue, the top issue was still the southern border and immigration.

00:16:32.000 If you remember when Trump came down the golden escalator, he said, listen, they're sending rapists, but they're not sending their best.

00:16:40.000 And I assume some are good people.

00:16:42.000 Remember what a big deal that was?

00:16:44.000 How it pushed the Overton window?

00:16:46.000 Back before Trump, we weren't allowed to talk about illegal immigration and legal immigration and who's coming into our country.

00:16:52.000 These were third rail topics.

00:16:54.000 He changed that topic, but guess that debate and the way it was framed?

00:16:58.000 But guess what?

00:16:59.000 All these years later, it's still the most important topic.

00:17:03.000 The number one topic is still immigration.

00:17:05.000 It will always be a winning issue with the base, with nationalists, populists, conservative voters.

00:17:11.000 And it remains so today.

00:17:13.000 So they will continually try and turn this issue into such a demo.

00:17:17.000 They'll demonize people that advocate for border security and all these things.

00:17:21.000 It's still the top issue.

00:17:22.000 And Trump knew it all the way back in 2015.

00:17:24.000 And he's still leading on it right now.

00:17:26.000 So I just wanted to call that out.

00:17:27.000 I think it's really interesting. 0.98

00:17:28.000 But yeah, I mean, to your earlier point, the RNC is a big loser.

00:17:32.000 You know, Ronna McDaniel, it appears to me that she may have won the battle to remain chair of the RNC, but she's losing the war.

00:17:42.000 The RNC is, we're hearing rumors that they are massively bleeding capital, that they don't have enough money.

00:17:49.000 And, you know, they've got a brand problem.

00:17:52.000 And unless they do something really drastic, like, hey, a different chair, or they start working with groups like Turning Point Action to do ballot harvesting or something, I don't see them getting out of it, which is a really big problem into 2024.

00:18:07.000 There's no doubt about it.

00:18:08.000 All right.

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00:18:14.000 And my opinions of country music are well known, but I will repeat them.

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00:18:25.000 I do not say what I say to be popular.

00:18:27.000 I say what I say because it's true.

00:18:30.000 Okay, I want to tell you about this particular partner here.

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00:18:49.000 Terrell here is sticking to the chair, and they brought in some sort of a fan.

00:18:55.000 It's really been a long month this week.

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00:20:57.000 Okay, many of you know that I am not a fan of country music.

00:21:02.000 In fact, I think that country music is noise that happens to rhyme.

00:21:10.000 However, a lot of people like country music.

00:21:13.000 I do like country music culture, and I like people who like country music.

00:21:17.000 And so I have all those kind of different, let's just say, takes on that.

00:21:22.000 I've got a chance to meet a lot of country music artists, and I think the world of many of them, including Jason Aldean.

00:21:29.000 This is a fascinating story.

00:21:31.000 Andrew, you're kind of our resident country music admirer or fan.

00:21:34.000 So I'm going to kind of let you carry the water here.

00:21:36.000 What's going on with great American patriot, good man, very talented artist Jason Aldean?

00:21:43.000 Well, he's getting attacked by the likes of Cheryl Crowe and others.

00:21:49.000 And then he had his music video, try that in a small town, taken down by CMT, it looks like.

00:21:55.000 And so, you know, to me, I listen to it.

00:21:59.000 I think most of our audience would listen to it.

00:22:01.000 And I think we have some clips from the music video, and we'll find those in just a second.

00:22:06.000 But these are, this is a really, that shouldn't be controversial.

00:22:10.000 He's just saying, like almost every other country music song says that, hey, small town values are the best, and we don't let people get away with, you know, spitting the cops' faces and trashing the liquor store in the small town.

00:22:23.000 Try that in a small town.

00:22:24.000 It's a little aggressive, maybe. 0.99

00:22:25.000 Like, you know, you're going to get your butt kicked if you try and mess with our town. 0.99

00:22:30.000 But like, listen, that's the way, that's the way of the world. 0.99

00:22:33.000 That's what really happens.

00:22:34.000 You know, and Cheryl Crowe is saying, hey, we don't like violence in small towns either.

00:22:38.000 It's like, no, that's not what he's saying.

00:22:39.000 He's saying, if you want to sow discord, so chaos in our town, and you want to come and riot about some trumped-up, phony, baloney, racial, trans, whatever the thing is of the week in our town, we're not going to let it happen.

00:22:54.000 So, anyways, I think a lot of people resonate with the lyrics.

00:22:56.000 It's now number one on the charts.

00:22:58.000 So, conservatives are rallying behind it.

00:23:00.000 And let's just say this: I talked with Jason Aldean actually backstage at Amfest last year.

00:23:07.000 Nicest guy.

00:23:08.000 Nicest guy.

00:23:09.000 Him and his wife are the real deal.

00:23:12.000 Yeah, they're total blue chips in the conservative or the country music sort of ecosystem.

00:23:19.000 It doesn't get much bigger than them.

00:23:20.000 I think right now it's basically Morgan Wallen might have an edge on him.

00:23:24.000 And that's about it.

00:23:25.000 And by the way, Morgan Wallen and Jason Aldean are really good friends.

00:23:28.000 And so, I think what's going to be interesting to see here is what happens to CMT and what happens to these woke country artists that are getting behind some of this stuff, like Christina Ballerini or whatever her name was, where she at the CMT Music Awards, where she performed with a bunch of drag, drag queens on stage.

00:23:46.000 Everybody, you know, the woke CMT awards.

00:23:48.000 So, it's pretty appalling, actually, that this seems to be gaining traction.

00:23:52.000 Like, he was calling for lynching or something.

00:23:54.000 I mean, I don't, when I listen to the song, I don't hear it at all.

00:23:57.000 At all.

00:23:58.000 And he, and he also, uh, Jason Aldean went on social media to say that, in fact, this, these were all actual crime footage that's in the video.

00:24:08.000 It's actual news reporting.

00:24:10.000 So, he didn't doctor anything.

00:24:12.000 He didn't take anything out of context.

00:24:14.000 It's just the scenes of the BLM riots and the Antifa stuff.

00:24:18.000 So, I think it's much ado about nothing.

00:24:20.000 You know, conservatives have to put up with liberals that we hate their music.

00:24:26.000 We hate their ideas, but we love their music.

00:24:28.000 And then, you know, they're having one freak out out of one conservative country music star.

00:24:33.000 Well, let's bring that up, Andrew.

00:24:34.000 Let's bring up a 97.

00:24:36.000 Put it on screen.

00:24:37.000 Yeah.

00:24:37.000 This is a great video.

00:24:38.000 I think I got this shared from eight different people over the last night.

00:24:42.000 If you can't read it, it's conservatives listening to their favorite band that hates them, which is if you're like me and listen to like deranged heavy metal music from the 80s, a very common experience.

00:24:53.000 And then, you know, the poor, poor liberals who have encountered one song from an artist they don't like and they have died a tragic death.

00:25:00.000 And then they will rise and they will try to burn down another city and probably a small town too now.

00:25:05.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:25:06.000 Yeah, beware if you're a small town.

00:25:08.000 We do have clips from this, I believe.

00:25:11.000 So let's play a couple clips from the actual music video, Cut 73.

00:25:29.000 We'll try that in a small town.

00:25:33.000 See how far you make it down the road.

00:25:38.000 Around here, we take care of our own across Atlanta.

00:25:43.000 It won't take long for you to find that.

00:25:46.000 I reckon we don't.

00:25:48.000 All right.

00:25:48.000 Is it over?

00:25:49.000 Is it over?

00:25:50.000 All right.

00:25:50.000 I'm going to put back in my earphone now.

00:25:52.000 I'm with Charlie on the country music question.

00:25:54.000 It's not.

00:25:54.000 It's not for me.

00:25:57.000 I'm right there with you, Blake.

00:25:58.000 But I have too much respect for Jason Aldean and his strong stances to give my editorial life opinion.

00:26:05.000 Jack, how should we think about this?

00:26:08.000 Jack, I can't, are you really a country music fan?

00:26:11.000 So I actually have a funny story about that as well because, Charlie, I think I'm more in your camp where I'm probably not going to be listening to country music if you give me the choice.

00:26:20.000 Look, I'm from the Philadelphia area.

00:26:22.000 You know, we grew up with rock.

00:26:24.000 We grew up with metal, that kind of stuff.

00:26:26.000 I'm a Primus guy, Sabaton, Smashing Pumpkins.

00:26:31.000 Seen David Bowie like five times.

00:26:32.000 That's country's not my thing.

00:26:35.000 But when Tanya came to the United States from the Soviet Union, for some reason, which I haven't quite gotten the story on this, she fell in love with country music.

00:26:47.000 And so when we first started dating, she would always say that if I wanted to go out with her, I had to take her to country concerts.

00:26:54.000 So I was like, well, I decided to bite the bullet.

00:26:58.000 I said it's worth it.

00:26:59.000 And yeah, I ended up seeing a bunch of actually a bunch of the same acts that later I would get to meet and see at America Fest when Tanya and I were just dating like a decade ago now.

00:27:11.000 You know, that's actually pretty amazing, Jack, because I've read the same thing in like rural Africa, like Kenya, northern Kenya, like Tanzania, Nigeria, tons of those places, like old U.S. country is really popular.

00:27:27.000 Like you can find videos of them at these African weddings, and they're all dancing very energetically to Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, like older country classics like that.

00:27:37.000 And it really, you know, it speaks to them.

00:27:39.000 Like it's a very similar lifestyle.

00:27:41.000 Like a lot of them are ranchers in rural areas with kind of more old-fashioned values.

00:27:46.000 Wait, so I like Johnny Cash.

00:27:49.000 I like Willie Nelson.

00:27:50.000 Oh, yeah.

00:27:51.000 But then they get the stud later stuff too.

00:27:53.000 They're also getting our modern country music as well.

00:27:56.000 And so, you know, it's like it is like a global appeal.

00:28:00.000 And I kind of like that.

00:28:01.000 I like that in a lot of places, the American culture that travels best is like golden age, like 80s, Reagan America, like these people who love, you know, roller coasters and pro wrestling.

00:28:13.000 And in a weird way, I guess it's like, you know, it's like the ones who like old anime shows.

00:28:17.000 And so, yeah, then they love old country music shows, country music acts, too.

00:28:23.000 I'd rather have that be traveling than whatever we're putting out today.

00:28:27.000 Am I the only country music fan on this panel right now? 1.00

00:28:29.000 You guys are a bunch of losers. 1.00

00:28:31.000 Hopefully, yeah. 1.00

00:28:31.000 No. 1.00

00:28:31.000 I'm telling you, I grew up, I grew up with, yeah, I grew up from a ranching family in northern Nevada. 1.00

00:28:39.000 Yeah, you guys are, you guys are all losing out, missing out.

00:28:42.000 I grew up in a ranching family from northern Nevada.

00:28:44.000 And I mean, I grew up with George Strait sitting on my dad's three-quarter ton 76 Chevy pickup truck sitting on the bench seat, driving down dirt roads, like bailing hay.

00:28:56.000 So like, you know, you guys just don't get it yet.

00:28:59.000 And, you know, that's fine.

00:29:01.000 But here's one thing I don't get behind as a country, country fan.

00:29:05.000 Let's go ahead and play cut 79.

00:29:08.000 This is from April.

00:29:10.000 Country singer Kelsey Ballerini performs with Drag Race stars and get some backlash for her wokeness.

00:29:17.000 79. 0.99

00:29:19.000 Hypothetically, if you ever kill your husband, hands on the Bible, I can lying through my tears. 1.00

00:29:25.000 Turn on you, you turn on me. 1.00

00:29:29.000 We all know our hands ain't clean.

00:29:37.000 This music is so bad.

00:29:39.000 It's so that's bad.

00:29:41.000 I'll admit that's bad.

00:29:42.000 But here's this is what's interesting.

00:29:43.000 So when we were at Young Women's Leadership Summit, there was a Washington Post reporter there.

00:29:48.000 And this is going to start getting a lot more publicity.

00:29:51.000 There was a Washington Post reporter there that wants to do a whole story on the divide in country music.

00:29:56.000 So Nashville is a traditionally conservative town, but there is this growing divide between like the Marin Morris's and all of this and the Morgan Wallins and the Jason Aldines.

00:30:07.000 Tim McGraw is apparently exceptionally liberal.

00:30:10.000 So is his wife, Faith Hill.

00:30:13.000 And so there's this big rift erupting in a formerly very conservative town.

00:30:18.000 Garth Brooks just took a bunch of heat for saying that we're going to serve Bud Light at his bar and all these a-holes that are trying to turn politicize the trans issue or whatever.

00:30:30.000 I forget exactly what he said.

00:30:32.000 There's a massive divide happening.

00:30:34.000 But I mean, listen, if I'm a country, if I'm in the country music business, I would just say watch yourself because if you're going to go on the woke stuff, if you're going to go on the progressive agenda within country music, you are instantly parting ways with, I would say, 80% of your fan base.

00:30:51.000 So it's a losing battle for them.

00:30:53.000 And I don't know why they're doing it.

00:30:54.000 Maybe they think they're on some holy crusade.

00:30:57.000 Shout out, Steve Bannon.

00:30:59.000 But I just think, I don't know why they were doing it as strictly a business proposition. 0.99

00:31:04.000 It's a loser. 0.94

00:31:07.000 It is the mind virus of the woke that is infecting all institutions. 0.98

00:31:11.000 And I didn't get a chance to see that last clip, but boy, that was hard to listen to.

00:31:17.000 Okay, let's.

00:31:18.000 I think we can now proceed to the next topic that we have here.

00:31:22.000 Yes, the Michigan electors.

00:31:24.000 Blake, what's going on in Michigan?

00:31:26.000 All right.

00:31:27.000 All right, Charlie.

00:31:28.000 So the big news that hit this week, honestly, I'd say it's equally as big as the Jack Smith news, you could say, about, you know, where he might charge Trump.

00:31:36.000 The Attorney General of Michigan, Dana Nessel, she has brought charges against 16 different, I would say, electors, prospective electors, whatever you want to say, 16 people in Michigan who signed their names to certification that they were valid electoral college votes for Donald Trump in 2020.

00:31:57.000 They're being hit with eight felonies apiece.

00:31:59.000 If you take the maximum penalty for each of the felonies brought against them, which is probably not going to happen, but it's fun to name it.

00:32:05.000 It's up to 85 years in prison because they have all these fraud charges that are 14 years apiece maximum.

00:32:13.000 And it's all because they claimed to be valid electors in 2020 during the dispute over whether Michigan's election was fair, whether there was fraud, whether the ballots were counted correctly, and all of that.

00:32:24.000 And she's two and a half years after the fact gone and charged all the people involved who are all in their, one or two are in their 50s, but they're almost all in their 60s, 70s, or even their early 80s, and is charging them with this whole raft of fraud offenses to try to put them in prison for saying that they are valid electors.

00:32:42.000 And, you know, the follow-on to this is the reason they were doing this is there's a widespread impression that, okay, if there's an election dispute between different slates of electors, at a minimum, both of those electoral slates need to be going through the process like they're valid electors.

00:33:00.000 And under the Constitution plus federal law, it ordains that, you know, there's a set day in December where the electoral college meets.

00:33:08.000 Each of them assembles in the state capitol of their state, casts their ballots, it goes to Congress, and then the vice president counts them.

00:33:16.000 So the Trump campaign recruited all of these people in these contested states.

00:33:20.000 Michigan is the one here, but it's also Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona, and so on.

00:33:26.000 And had them, you know, sign sheets saying, you know, we are, we believe we won this state.

00:33:31.000 We are the valid electors.

00:33:33.000 These are our electoral votes.

00:33:34.000 And the plan is: if Trump succeeds in his legal challenge, then these electoral votes can be counted.

00:33:40.000 And they were doing this because in 1960, there was an election between Richard Nixon and John F. Kennedy.

00:33:45.000 Kennedy won that election, but history fans might know that it was a very close election.

00:33:50.000 And in Hawaii, Nixon won the initial day of count, and his electors got certified.

00:33:58.000 The Kennedy campaign disputed it.

00:34:00.000 They held a recount.

00:34:01.000 And because the recount was still being litigated, there were two slates of electors.

00:34:06.000 There was the official Nixon one, and then Kennedy's unofficial one.

00:34:09.000 And they still gathered.

00:34:11.000 They said they were the valid electors.

00:34:12.000 They signed sheets of paper saying this, and they submitted it.

00:34:15.000 And eventually they won.

00:34:17.000 The recount favored Kennedy.

00:34:19.000 And those were the ones that were counted.

00:34:20.000 And a state judge said, yeah, we would have had to throw this out, but it was a good thing you guys met and cast your ballots.

00:34:26.000 So it's allowed to count.

00:34:27.000 And now, you know, 60 years later, Dana Nessel of Michigan comes along and says, this is a felony.

00:34:33.000 You know, have fun with your 85 years in prison.

00:34:35.000 So let me ask you a question, Blake.

00:34:38.000 Do we know the Trump campaign recruited them?

00:34:40.000 Because that's not always how slates of electors occur.

00:34:43.000 Sometimes it's from the bottom up.

00:34:45.000 This matters a lot because of the looming Jack Smith indictment.

00:34:48.000 By the time this airs, Donald Trump might be indicted.

00:34:51.000 It's almost a certainty.

00:34:52.000 But Blake, do we know how they were selected and does that matter?

00:34:57.000 There was coordination with the Trump campaign in terms of recruiting.

00:35:03.000 I believe, I don't have it all exactly in front of me, but I believe they were recruited working with the Trump campaign, which was coordinating this.

00:35:10.000 They did not do the exact same thing in each state because in some of them they were more legally gun-shy.

00:35:17.000 So some of them did sign statements saying expressly, we're only the electors if the Trump campaign succeeds with its legal challenge.

00:35:25.000 Some of them just did the same thing the Kennedy campaign did and said, we're the valid electors.

00:35:30.000 We claim to be the valid electors.

00:35:31.000 And you kind of just let the courts or the political system sort it out.

00:35:36.000 But they did not, you know, they didn't charge Trump under this.

00:35:39.000 What they did charge them with is fraud for saying, basically, for signing a sheet of paper saying, we're the valid electors.

00:35:44.000 And they're like, you know, you're not the valid electors.

00:35:47.000 So that's fraud.

00:35:49.000 It definitely does fit into the broader offensive.

00:35:52.000 I don't think it's a coincidence that these charges are dropping two and a half years later in the exact same week where Jack Smith might be bringing charges related to January 6th.

00:36:03.000 It'll be interesting to see whether any of this electoral vote stuff plays into any charges that Jack Smith might bring or if it's more of like tainting the overall media miasma, you know, pushing this whole narrative that Trump was trying to overthrow our democracy because they know,

00:36:19.000 like, you know, even if they sequester the jury or do all those procedures they do that are supposed to ensure a fair trial, they know that if they can get a very strong media narrative of like Trump tried to overthrow democracy, Trump tried to do the very bad thing, Trump tried to do it, tried to do a coup d'etat, oh my God, that this will be what they need to do to actually get him convicted and then keep him for running for president, which is, of course, the real point of this.

00:36:44.000 So let me ask Andrew here.

00:36:47.000 Andrew, this is so cruel.

00:36:50.000 I mean, Andrew, I think you could, I can't help but think of just kind of the sweet woman or the men that are in their 70s or 80s that attend some of our rallies or events.

00:37:01.000 We saw some that ACTCON, obviously, we had mostly a student audience.

00:37:04.000 Don't you agree, Andrew, that like this is these are normal everyday people that they're trying to break.

00:37:10.000 They're trying to destroy them and put them into a quasi-gulag.

00:37:14.000 This is one of the most immoral things I've seen in quite some time.

00:37:18.000 Andrew.

00:37:19.000 Yeah, I mean, it's so true.

00:37:21.000 I mean, everybody saw that story of the J6 granny just getting thrown into jail or prison. 1.00

00:37:27.000 I can't remember if she was jail or prison.

00:37:29.000 But, you know, this does kind of reek of that.

00:37:32.000 And to Blake's earlier point, I mean, two and a half years later, we heard some whispers that the Democrat Attorney General in Arizona is coming after or at least knocking on some doors there.

00:37:45.000 We've heard it in Michigan and Nevada earlier.

00:37:48.000 I think the key here is they have to establish that this was centrally organized in this vast right-wing conspiracy to overthrow the election or whatever. 0.99

00:37:56.000 I mean, that's such garbage. 0.98

00:37:58.000 It's not even, it's, you know, it's not, it's laughable. 0.99

00:38:01.000 What this was was a backup plan.

00:38:03.000 A la 1960, exactly what Blake pointed out.

00:38:06.000 It didn't work.

00:38:07.000 The lawsuits failed.

00:38:08.000 So that these alternate electors never, you know, really had any relevance.

00:38:15.000 But what they're trying to show is that all, don't believe your lying eyes.

00:38:18.000 Don't believe the clips of Trump saying, go home, we have to remain peaceful.

00:38:21.000 The tweets on January 6th saying, hey, you need to go home, remain peaceful.

00:38:26.000 The speech preceding the March to the Capitol, where he said, peacefully and patriotically march to the Capitol.

00:38:34.000 Don't believe any of that.

00:38:35.000 Trump was trying to overthrow the government that day.

00:38:37.000 And guess what?

00:38:38.000 Here's the evidence.

00:38:39.000 We've got these alternate slate of electors.

00:38:41.000 That was all part of the plan.

00:38:42.000 They were part of the plan in as much as if the lawsuits worked.

00:38:42.000 Okay.

00:38:46.000 And now these people that pose no threat to the Republic, 80-year-old grannies in Michigan and Arizona, Nevada, wherever else, Georgia, they are now getting charged two and a half years later in, I believe, absolute coordination with the federal government, with the Department of Justice and Jack Smith, simply to establish, you know, it's like, who cares if the innocents get thrown under the bus? 0.99

00:39:13.000 We've got a bigger goal here, and that's taking out Trump and removing him from the 2024 ballot.

00:39:17.000 And I just want to throw it over to Jack here because Jack had a clip that went mega viral.

00:39:24.000 I saw it multiple places, Jack.

00:39:27.000 You are predicting some pretty horrible stuff if they're able to successfully execute this strategy that looks like it's coming straight from Merrick Garland, DOJ, Jack Smith.

00:39:37.000 Yeah, Andrew, what's going on here is that I've been following very closely the plan that Norm Eisen, now you might remember Norm Eisen from the Election Integrity Partnership.

00:39:48.000 You remember him from the color revolutions that he was involved in with the State Department in Eastern Europe.

00:39:54.000 The same guy has been laying out since all the way back in last November, working with these left-wing academic legal journals, stating essentially his plan is as thus.

00:40:08.000 They are going to create a series of indictments, a sweeping series of indictments of supporters, people in Trump's inner circle, the alternate electors, which we know were being done and being looked at as a legal challenge.

00:40:25.000 This was directly tied to the potential legal challenge on January 6th.

00:40:31.000 This also, by the way, I'm just going to say it because, you know, I don't know why nobody else wants to admit this anymore.

00:40:38.000 Mike Pence was not asked to overturn the election.

00:40:43.000 Mike Pence was asked to send back the ballots to a specific set of states after a debate that was supposed to be held in the well of the Senate.

00:40:56.000 Obviously, we know history didn't follow that course.

00:41:00.000 But when Mike Pence says I was asked to overturn that election, that's a lie because that's not what he was asked.

00:41:08.000 It was asked to have this debate on these legal challenges that people were playing out.

00:41:14.000 And the establishment has now come in and decided to come to basically say, we're going to criminalize your ability to debate.

00:41:22.000 We're going to criminalize your ability to dissent, to protest. 0.92

00:41:26.000 We're going to throw grandma in jail. 1.00

00:41:27.000 Democrats will do this. 0.59

00:41:29.000 Republicans will get worried about, you know, the wording of a press release while Democrats are running around locking up 80-year-olds in Michigan, Paw Paw, Michigan, Rose Rook, 81 years old of Paw Paw, Michigan.

00:41:42.000 That's what Democrats are willing to do.

00:41:45.000 And don't think for a second that they wouldn't go Romanoff family on every single one of us if they could, certainly the four of us on this podcast.

00:41:54.000 And so when I said their plan is going forward with Norm Eisen, what do they want to do?

00:42:00.000 And he said this publicly.

00:42:01.000 He wants to file charges against President Trump for seditious conspiracy, using all of this together in unison as a seditious conspiracy against the United States.

00:42:13.000 It triggers the 14th Amendment, the disqualification clause to the Constitution, and then try to strip Trump from the ballot in all 50 states.

00:42:23.000 And I talked about this publicly on the main stage at Turning Point Action there in West Palm last week.

00:42:30.000 I said it's quite simply, and I don't want this to happen.

00:42:33.000 I want to be very clear.

00:42:34.000 I do not want this to happen.

00:42:36.000 But if you strip Donald Trump from the ballot in 50 states or in any state, this will blow this country apart at the seams.

00:42:47.000 They really are going to extra constitutional measures here.

00:42:50.000 Now, Blake, if you were to predict the Jack Smith indictment on this one, do you think that alternate electors and then getting convicted of that?

00:43:00.000 Does that what the spirit of the 14th Amendment would be?

00:43:04.000 Legally, do you think that could potentially prevent Donald Trump from becoming president if he were to win?

00:43:10.000 Well, the timing would be interesting because every other case against Trump has been elongated, so it'll be very close with the election itself.

00:43:20.000 And anything Jack Smith brings, like he can, if Trump becomes president, he can pardon himself.

00:43:26.000 It could be, we're just in such uncharted territory here.

00:43:30.000 And I think the fact they're willing to even attempt this shows that essentially anything is on the table, that if they're willing to try these totally novel charges to basically say that President Trump launched an insurrection against the government while head of the government, that they'd be willing to try a lot of stunts with the federal judiciary to try to rush this through and then try to get a conviction and then try to disqualify him.

00:43:55.000 And the thing is, is they only need him disqualified for like a short window of time to basically wreck everything.

00:44:01.000 Like we've seen this play out before.

00:44:02.000 You might remember Senator Ted Stevens from Alaska where they sort of, I don't want to say like framed, but they railroaded him really aggressively on various criminal charges just long enough for him to lose a re-election race and get knocked out of office.

00:44:18.000 And then it all fell apart.

00:44:20.000 And it turned out to all be a sham the entire time.

00:44:23.000 And I think they could easily do this with Trump, where they get him on these insurrection charges and get him disqualified just long enough for, you know, then some appeals court or the Supreme Court will say, no, this is a wild abuse of prosecutorial power.

00:44:36.000 And they throw it out.

00:44:37.000 But too late, the 2024 election's over.

00:44:40.000 And now Biden or Kamala or heaven knows who is now the president of the United States after our 100% free and fair election in our democracy, as they like to call it.

00:44:52.000 I just want to like talk about what Jack just said, because I think it bears repeating.

00:45:02.000 I mean, this really is the question.

00:45:05.000 Will they succeed in this?

00:45:06.000 I mean, you could indict a ham sandwich, right?

00:45:08.000 Isn't that the famous expression with a grand jury?

00:45:12.000 He's going to get indicted, but he, you know, will this spark, I mean, if you think January 6th is bad, will this spark something similar or even worse if they're able to successfully remove Donald Trump from the ballot?

00:45:26.000 I mean, I don't see this ending well.

00:45:29.000 And I think your warning, Jack, is I'm not endorsing it.

00:45:33.000 I want everything to be peaceful.

00:45:34.000 I want us to all remain calm.

00:45:36.000 And, you know, but if you remove the leading opposition candidate from the ballot via a technical maneuver, an illegal maneuver, this could be devastating.

00:45:47.000 I don't see how this ends in a good place.

00:45:49.000 You know, Andrew, that is potentially what could be the most dangerous outcome of all of this.

00:45:57.000 Because, look, Vivek talked about it on the debate stage in Iowa.

00:46:02.000 He talked about it in West Palm at the turning point event.

00:46:08.000 That when you tell people they're not allowed to dissent, when you tell people they're not allowed to protest, when you tell people you're not allowed to listen, then you tell people you're not even allowed to vote for your preferred candidate.

00:46:22.000 This is what leads to people to logically conclude.

00:46:26.000 And I'm not saying, again, I don't want this, but you're telling people that the ballot box is not the place to relieve the pressure.

00:46:34.000 Well, what happens if people then start looking for other means to get involved in the political process than voting?

00:46:43.000 Blake, walk us through this next topic.

00:46:46.000 We have Oppenheimer the Barbie.

00:46:49.000 I couldn't care less.

00:46:50.000 So Blake, make me care.

00:46:52.000 That's where you go wrong, Charlie.

00:46:53.000 This is very important.

00:46:54.000 We have two extremely major films coming out this week.

00:46:58.000 One of them is very ominous, very serious, very dark, very historical and important.

00:47:05.000 And the other is a movie about Robert Oppenheimer designing the atomic bomb.

00:47:10.000 So of course, we have Oppenheimer.

00:47:12.000 It's about, it's the next Chris Nolan movie.

00:47:14.000 He's the guy who did the Dark Knight trilogy of Batman films.

00:47:17.000 He did Interstellar.

00:47:19.000 Did oh man, I'm drawing a blank.

00:47:22.000 The movie where they go inside a dream.

00:47:23.000 Inception.

00:47:24.000 He did Inception.

00:47:25.000 He did Dunkirk.

00:47:26.000 And now he's got Oppenheimer.

00:47:28.000 And then we also have Barbie.

00:47:30.000 It stars Margot Robbie, which is why everyone is debating whether she's mid or not.

00:47:34.000 It has Ryan Gosling as Ken.

00:47:38.000 So it's, you know, it's very...

00:47:40.000 It's kind of bizarre that they actually decided to make this movie, let alone give it a huge budget and release it opposite a Chris Nolan movie.

00:47:47.000 But they did.

00:47:47.000 And as a result, there's been a lot of mimetic energy.

00:47:51.000 Oh, I got the name wrong.

00:47:51.000 Oh, did I get it wrong?

00:47:52.000 Ah, that shows how much I know.

00:47:54.000 That shows how much I know my movie stars. 0.98

00:47:56.000 I got, it's Carly Bond.

00:47:58.000 I've been notified that I just got the star wrong.

00:48:00.000 I don't care.

00:48:01.000 This shows how much I know Hollywood people.

00:48:03.000 I don't see a lot of movies, but oh, did I get it wrong again?

00:48:08.000 You're just killing. 0.95

00:48:08.000 Gosh dang it. 0.95

00:48:09.000 You guys are killing me. 1.00

00:48:15.000 You guys are distracting me with your lies. 0.99

00:48:17.000 You're distracting me with your lies when I am correct.

00:48:20.000 Anyway, this shows how little I know about Hollywood.

00:48:24.000 Yes, this.

00:48:25.000 Look, this is the point of this is I don't see that many movies, but I will see both Oppenheimer and Barbie back to back when they come out, probably.

00:48:35.000 Unless Barbie's really, truly, astonishingly off the charts bad, which it is, it probably will be actually.

00:48:44.000 But assuming it is like tolerable enough that I can just like buy a thing of milk duds and like endure it, I will probably see it.

00:48:51.000 And then I will contrast it with Oppenheimer.

00:48:52.000 And they've had a lot of fun with this.

00:48:54.000 We showed the joint poster for both of them just a second ago.

00:49:01.000 It's rare that we've had these random summer blockbusters.

00:49:03.000 And I think people are having a lot of fun that both of them are just their new movies to some extent.

00:49:09.000 They're not like the 80th incarnation of the Marvel cinematic universe or some abominable reboot of Twilight or Harry Potter or whatever.

00:49:18.000 And so it's a lot of fun.

00:49:19.000 I want to see.

00:49:20.000 I actually haven't seen this yet.

00:49:21.000 Let's play Cut92.

00:49:22.000 This is Ryan Gosling's song, I'm Just Ken from Barbie.

00:49:26.000 I just don't know who I am without you.

00:49:29.000 But it's Barbie and Ken.

00:49:29.000 You're Ken.

00:49:33.000 There is no just Ken.

00:49:36.000 Doesn't seem to matter what I do.

00:49:41.000 I'm always number two.

00:49:44.000 No one knows how hard I tried.

00:49:48.000 Oh, I.

00:49:50.000 I have feelings that I can't explain.

00:49:55.000 Driving me insane.

00:49:59.000 That was the man who starred in the notebook and also the Ides of March and like a million other movies.

00:50:05.000 And now he's Ken.

00:50:10.000 People are missing out on our chat.

00:50:12.000 Yeah, everybody's like, can we edit this out?

00:50:16.000 Oh, well.

00:50:17.000 I mean, this is the big debate.

00:50:20.000 It's pretty cringy.

00:50:22.000 Was that a parody?

00:50:25.000 No.

00:50:25.000 No, it wasn't.

00:50:26.000 It was.

00:50:26.000 I don't understand.

00:50:27.000 They're like a couple weeks late for Pride Month.

00:50:30.000 They were so close.

00:50:32.000 You know, it's easy to make fun of it, but it's like, could a Barbie movie be anything else?

00:50:36.000 Like a live-action Barbie movie where we're just going to take these big stars, pay them $100 million, shove them out in the middle of July. 0.99

00:50:44.000 Like, a Barbie movie's got to be really stupid. 1.00

00:50:46.000 And like, Ken is kind of stupid and kind of gay and all of that. 1.00

00:50:51.000 Wait, speaking of gay, speaking of gay, Jack Pesobic. 1.00

00:50:55.000 Ken has always been gay. 0.99

00:50:56.000 Ken has always been gay. 0.99

00:50:58.000 I'm glad you got it, Jack.

00:51:00.000 Yeah, Jack, Jack, you made some headlines earlier this week.

00:51:06.000 You reacted to Obama's letter with something pretty striking, I believe.

00:51:13.000 You mean for when he was coming out as gay?

00:51:17.000 Yes.

00:51:18.000 No, all I did.

00:51:19.000 No, all I did was congratulate him.

00:51:21.000 I'm not the one who came out.

00:51:22.000 He was the one who came out.

00:51:23.000 So I just wanted to congratulate him on that.

00:51:26.000 Fair enough.

00:51:27.000 Fair enough.

00:51:28.000 For people who don't know what we're talking about, it was because he said librarians.

00:51:35.000 I mean, we'll need a whole show segment about what his biographer unearthed where he wrote this letter where Obama opted.

00:51:44.000 Obama wrote a letter to his girlfriend saying that he opted for heterosexuality because he preferred the it was more challenging than a gay relationship.

00:51:53.000 He considered gayness, but opted for the greater challenge of a heterosexual relationship.

00:51:59.000 According to the guy who wrote a 1,000-page biography of a young Barack Obama, that is a letter that young Obama wrote.

00:52:07.000 Now, I haven't seen the letter.

00:52:09.000 I don't know if anyone's seen the letter other than him, but it does allegedly exist, and it was put in a biography, and the guy didn't get sued for it.

00:52:17.000 Interesting.

00:52:18.000 I hadn't heard that.

00:52:20.000 No one read the book.

00:52:21.000 It was a thousand page.

00:52:22.000 No one wanted to read a thousand pages about Barack Obama, including me.

00:52:25.000 So I just skimmed summaries of it.

00:52:28.000 A thousand pages.

00:52:28.000 Oh, I thought you said a thousand words.

00:52:30.000 No, a thousand pages.

00:52:31.000 It is the war and peace of biographies of first black presidents. 0.60

00:52:37.000 Jack, are you chiming in here?

00:52:39.000 I bet Barack Obama has Barbie dolls.

00:52:42.000 Well, I mean, yeah, yeah, he probably does.

00:52:45.000 Oh, man.

00:52:46.000 This show's getting off the rails.

00:52:49.000 Let's play Oppenheimer.

00:52:54.000 You are the man who gave them the power to destroy themselves.

00:53:22.000 You know, Nolan.

00:53:23.000 This is a film I might actually see.

00:53:26.000 Go ahead, whoever's talking.

00:53:27.000 It's like echolocation.

00:53:29.000 Yeah, Chris Nolan loves his timeline-bending movies, like Inception, Interstellar, Tenet.

00:53:35.000 So it could be that Oppenheimer is going to have a plot twist where they're building the atomic bomb because Oppenheimer, through a time portal, saw the Barbie movie, or at least the Ken song that Ryan Gosling did, and he decided he had to destroy the planet.

00:53:51.000 Wait, so was Oppenheimer gay as well?

00:53:54.000 Well, he was a communist.

00:53:55.000 I'm not actually sure.

00:53:56.000 He was a communist.

00:53:58.000 He possibly sold out America.

00:54:01.000 Well, Oppenheimer possibly sold out America to the Soviets.

00:54:05.000 I mean, people he knew definitely leaked our nuclear secrets to the Soviets.

00:54:08.000 Whether you think Oppenheimer did or not is like an unsettled question.

00:54:12.000 I think they lean towards him not doing it, but eh, come on.

00:54:16.000 And then got his security clearance revoked for being like a weakness. 0.97

00:54:19.000 I mean, it'd be pretty gay if he did. 0.99

00:54:20.000 Yeah, and we've had these great story where I'll have to censor this a bit, but supposedly after we dropped the atomic bomb, Oppenheimer, you know, had this moment of realization.

00:54:30.000 He's like, oh, no, it turns out Operation Gigabomb 10 million was not a tool of peace.

00:54:36.000 It was a tool of war.

00:54:37.000 And then he goes to President Truman and sobs to him.

00:54:40.000 He's like, we've known sin.

00:54:44.000 And then he leaves, and supposedly Truman turns to, I can't remember who, and is like, never let that punk in here again.

00:54:50.000 I hate that weepy BS.

00:54:51.000 He didn't drop the bomb.

00:54:53.000 I dropped the bomb. 0.80

00:54:54.000 That sort of preachy moralizing makes me sick.

00:54:57.000 And I guess we don't think of President Truman as a hard guy, but it turns out he was definitely harder than J. Robert Oppenheimer was.

00:55:05.000 That's funny, Blake, because that's what Charlie said the first time he met you in his office.

00:55:17.000 Why don't we go to the next topic?

00:55:19.000 All right.

00:55:20.000 The next topic is very fitting for the adventure we've been having here today.

00:55:24.000 It's, I guess we'll call it the deep web reveal, though it's actually very shallow because it's a major news story right now, but who cares?

00:55:31.000 So, TikTok, as we all know, needs to be destroyed.

00:55:34.000 Its servers need to be blown up.

00:55:36.000 The people who work there need to be shipped off to a distant facility where they're contained, safe from the rest of humanity.

00:55:42.000 Because the trend on TikTok right now is NPC videos.

00:55:46.000 Now, I don't know if any of you guys are aware what NPCs are because you have lives and stuff, but an NPC is in a video game.

00:55:54.000 It means non-player character.

00:55:56.000 And as you might expect in most video games, they don't have non-player characters do that much.

00:56:01.000 They kind of only say a handful of things and they have kind of exaggerated character motions.

00:56:06.000 You know, like they'll just sort of, you know, take a pose like this.

00:56:12.000 And people on TikTok have decided to make entire videos behaving like this.

00:56:17.000 I think we have a montage of them.

00:56:20.000 So let's play, let's play number 95.

00:56:32.000 You have captured my heart.

00:56:36.000 They smell so wonderful.

00:56:38.000 You have captured my heart.

00:56:40.000 Spicy heart.

00:56:44.000 Wow.

00:56:55.000 Fire hot hot.

00:56:57.000 It's delicious and nutritious.

00:56:59.000 Thank you for the corn.

00:57:00.000 It's delicious and nutritious.

00:57:05.000 Thanks for the pepper.

00:57:09.000 Oh my gosh.

00:57:11.000 I'll let Charlie react to that actually.

00:57:13.000 Charlie, you're like, you're pure.

00:57:15.000 You have no idea what this is.

00:57:16.000 What's your reaction to it?

00:57:18.000 I'm the most out of touch of everyone.

00:57:22.000 I thought I knew what an NPC was.

00:57:24.000 I thought an NPC was someone that you kill in Grand Theft Auto that's not part of the main.

00:57:30.000 Well, that's like an American NPC where we just, you know, you have like random NPCs who you run over with cars.

00:57:37.000 That's more, these people are more like Japanese role-playing game NPCs that you'd run into in like a Final Fantasy game or something, or a Zelda game.

00:57:48.000 And they have their own exaggerated characteristics.

00:57:52.000 But I think the bigger question here, Charlie, is having watched that video, was the Declaration of Independence a mistake?

00:58:03.000 No.

00:58:05.000 But are you sure?

00:58:06.000 I don't quite understand what.

00:58:08.000 Like, in a way, like, that video was the product of American dominance over the world that we defeated Japanese people. 0.50

00:58:17.000 You know, it was caused by, you know, we the Declaration of Independence somehow led to this.

00:58:24.000 And so I think we have to accept that Britain should have won the War of Independence and prevented TikTok somehow. 1.00

00:58:29.000 It's worth trying at least.

00:58:31.000 I suppose cut 94 is supposed to help this conversation a little bit.

00:58:37.000 Play Cut 94.

00:58:47.000 I think that settles it in my favor.

00:58:52.000 Jack, now everybody wait.

00:58:54.000 Jack, your response.

00:58:56.000 Well, I can explain.

00:58:57.000 I don't know if we've really explained exactly what it is that we're playing at this point, especially since we're playing some shorter clips of it.

00:59:06.000 So, Charlie, last week we went through when we were live together on the same stage, not with me in Bedminster, et cetera, that we talked about thin subs, financial subs, and financial submissives, and pay pigs.

00:59:22.000 So, this is very close to OnlyFan style content.

00:59:27.000 It's very similar to OnlyFan style content, only it's taken out the specifically graphic parts of it.

00:59:35.000 And what they're doing is they're paying money to these girls to get them to perform certain actions, and in this case, preset reactions to different, what they're called, gifts or prizes that are being sent.

00:59:50.000 Now, something that people need to understand is that to send them a gift or a prize, it's the same, not the same, but it's the same idea as sending a Rumble rant or a super chat or something like that in on a live stream.

01:00:06.000 So there's money involved.

01:00:07.000 And usually it's only, you know, it's like 10 coins and it's like, it's like one penny per coin or something. 1.00

01:00:14.000 Some of these girls, these ethos at this point, are making thousands and thousands of dollars every night while they're doing this.

01:00:23.000 And that reminds me of a great campaign that 4chan ran a couple years ago called the thought audit.

01:00:31.000 And the thought audit is simply this.

01:00:36.000 These thoughts, Charlie, they're not reporting their earnings to the IRS.

01:00:41.000 So what you've got to do is reach out to them surreptitiously, find out if they're making their returns, and then you can go to the IRS and collect a bounty on the ethos.

01:00:52.000 We can actually make money by taking them in to the feds.

01:00:58.000 So wait, Jack, you're saying people need to go and expose thought crimes?

01:01:05.000 That's a thought crime.

01:01:06.000 See, we do thought crimes.

01:01:08.000 That's a thought crime.

01:01:08.000 Or here in Jersey, as we'd say, a thought crime.

01:01:11.000 Oh, dear.

01:01:12.000 Charlie looks.

01:01:13.000 Charlie, do you get it?

01:01:14.000 Charlie's really saddened.

01:01:16.000 We've ruined Charlie's day.

01:01:19.000 You've lost me at NPC.

01:01:21.000 After that, I just kind of zoned everything out.

01:01:24.000 So, all right.

01:01:31.000 The education of Charlie.

01:01:33.000 Okay.

01:01:34.000 Yeah, for better, for worse.

01:01:36.000 So I probably shouldn't type in thought to Google.

01:01:39.000 T-H-O-T? 0.90

01:01:41.000 No.

01:01:41.000 Oh, you'll be fine.

01:01:42.000 You'll be fine.

01:01:43.000 I learned my lesson with thought is a woman who has many casual sexual encounters or relationships. 0.99

01:01:50.000 Glory hole, pleasure hole, pay hole. 1.00

01:01:53.000 Bonus hole.

01:01:53.000 What was it called again?

01:01:55.000 Bonus hole, bonus hole.

01:01:56.000 We have bonus holes, glory holes.

01:01:58.000 T-H-O-T. 0.99

01:02:00.000 Thought holes?

01:02:02.000 Which, of course, stands for T-H-O-T. 1.00

01:02:05.000 That hoe over there. 1.00

01:02:06.000 Always insightful.

01:02:07.000 And then we have the e-thought, which was just that, but electronic.

01:02:11.000 And, you know, it goes from there, Charlie.

01:02:12.000 You'll understand one day.

01:02:15.000 Okay.

01:02:15.000 Any closing thoughts on this definitely unique episode of Thought Crimes?

01:02:20.000 Andrew?

01:02:21.000 I just enjoyed Charlie continuously getting educated by Jack and Blake.

01:02:27.000 I think it's edifying for the entire audience.

01:02:30.000 Please don't ever Google the things that we educate Charlie on.

01:02:33.000 It's bad for your mental sanity and really your soul, but that's okay.

01:02:38.000 It's important to understand where America is at and whether or not we should have lost the Revolutionary War, as Blake is suggesting, might have been a solution.

01:02:46.000 All joking aside, I think, listen, here's the big takeaway from this week.

01:02:53.000 That ACTCON was a massive success, that Trump and Vivek won everything this week, that DeSantis has some pivoting to do, that the DOJ is coming after us, and that Hollywood is still a deplorable, terrible mess.

01:03:08.000 But I'm going to go see Oppenheimer.

01:03:09.000 That's my final thoughts.

01:03:11.000 Jack, final thoughts?

01:03:13.000 I mean, Charlie, all I got to say is we got to stunt on these thoughts.

01:03:17.000 We got to stunt on these thoughts.

01:03:20.000 Okay, Blake, any final thoughts?

01:03:23.000 My final thought is, you know, I actually am just categorically correct.

01:03:30.000 The American Revolution was a mistake. 0.94

01:03:32.000 It led to TikTok.

01:03:33.000 It's really that simple.

01:03:34.000 Like, if we would take an NPC video back and we would show it to George Washington, he would immediately have his army surrender.

01:03:44.000 He would go back to his farm in Virginia.

01:03:46.000 He would write a letter to the King of England apologizing, and then he would say that we need to not allow the steam engine to face any further development.

01:03:56.000 We've got to stop the Industrial Revolution and its consequences in their tracks.

01:04:01.000 Okay, this was Thought Crimes.

01:04:03.000 Not sure what kind of thought crime it is, but it is what it is, as they say.

01:04:09.000 If you are interested in dating Blake Neff, we take resumes, freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

01:04:15.000 Every time, every time.

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01:04:19.000 Mission Mary Blake.

01:04:22.000 Jack is in Auckland, New Zealand.

01:04:23.000 That explains the delay.

01:04:25.000 It's unbelievable.

01:04:26.000 He's like on the next day already.

01:04:28.000 So God bless you guys.

01:04:29.000 Until then, keep on committing thought crimes, whether it be the thought crimes or the thought crimes.

01:04:36.000 God bless and see you soon.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - July 22, 2023

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 6: Oppenheimer v. Barbie, The Incredible Shrinking Ron DeSantis, Real-Life NPCs

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