On this episode of Thought Crime Thursday, we are joined by special guest Charlie Kirk, CEO of Turning Point USA, to discuss the impact of turning point USA on the culture of college campuses across the country. We also hear from Tucker Carlson, Glenn Beck, Steve Bannon, Patrick Bet-David, Ben Shapiro, Speaker Mike Johnson, Donald Trump Jr., Matt Walsh, Tim Pool, Ben Carson, the next ambassador to Greece, Kimberly Guilfoyle, Michael Knowles, Ted Cruz, Rob Schneider, Byron Donalds, Anna Paulina, Matt Gaetz, Danica Patrick, Brett Cooper, Jack Posobiec, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Benny Johnson, Erica Kirk, Riley Gaines, Brandon Tatum, Riley Gannon, Tom Homan, George Janko, Allie Stuckey, Sage Steele, and more.
00:00:22.000Glenn Beck, Steve Bannon, Patrick Bet-David, Ben Shapiro, Speaker Mike Johnson, Donald Trump Jr., Matt Walsh, Tim Pool, Ben Carson, the next ambassador to Greece, Kimberly Guilfoyle, Michael Knowles, Ted Cruz, Rob Schneider,
00:00:38.000Byron Donalds, Anna Paulina, Matt Gaetz, Danica Patrick, Brett Cooper, Jack Posobiec, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Benny Johnson, my wife, Erica Kirk, Riley Gaines, Brandon Tatum, Tom Homan, the deporter-in-chief, George Janko, Allie B. Stuckey, Sage Steele, and more.
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00:02:54.000We are all here, though, not all in the same room because we've got coverage from Phoenix, Arizona, from I'm myself in Washington, D.C. with Charlie Kirk over there in West Palm Beach.
00:04:28.000I don't think I could name a Diamondbacks player other than the guys who won the 2001 World Series, which is your old 23 years ago now.
00:04:36.000So fun fact, I'm not going to say the name of the pitcher that I was standing next to, but at one point one of our staff had matched with him on a dating application and she didn't take him up on a date and then later on he became a World Series pitcher.
00:04:52.000Did she try to walk that one back later?
00:05:35.000Guys, if we're all in Phoenix for AmFest, and by the way, big, big news that came out that President Donald J. Trump will be conducting, I believe, and Tyler, correct me if I'm wrong, but I I mean, get your tickets right now because, you know, Tyler, you can probably give me a better update, but the last I heard talking to the guys is that there is actually not a lot of tickets left.
00:06:06.000Yeah, I mean, this place is going to be packed.
00:06:49.000So then I go to AmFest in 2022 and I'm just like, okay, it's their big event.
00:06:53.000And then I see the stuff they're putting on stage.
00:06:55.000I'm like, the level, the production values of this is so far beyond anything I've ever seen before in like, you know, conservative politics.
00:07:03.000Like, I mean, I've been at the RNC in 2016, which was not a horrible thing or whatever, but obviously that was blown out of the water by everything they're able to do.
00:07:13.000I can't believe it's his first speech since the election.
00:09:13.000Reveal image 108. So, what we have here, the Turning Point Gala is a black tie event.
00:09:21.000That means wear a black tie, wear a tux.
00:09:25.000And what we have discovered, someone, we do not know who, but it was known that Tyler Bowyer and Jack Posobiec did not follow the dress code for the Turning Point Gala!
00:10:35.000And I said, oh, why don't you give us all bow ties and that'll look like a nice picture all together.
00:10:40.000So yeah, we went all in with it because Tyler, someone showed up.
00:10:43.000By the way, Andrew, On the background of that, that actually is a tuxedo that he bought from the balaclava guy down by the airport in West Palm Beach.
00:13:09.000And Mar-a-Lago, by the way, so this was at Mar-a-Lago.
00:13:12.000This is in the ballroom, but for folks who...
00:13:16.000If you do ever end up there, that when you go on that patio, they're very strict, by the way, about your dress code just for the patio.
00:13:24.000So when you see those photos, I don't know if anyone has any around, but when like where President Trump goes to eat and he's got the velvet ropes around the table and he's always holding these big dinners, not the ones inside.
00:13:39.000When he sits for dinner, it's actually formal dress code there.
00:13:42.000And if you do not have a coat, now I don't think you need a tie, but if you don't have a coat, they will not even let you sit down for dinner.
00:13:52.000Although, I do know for a fact that the man himself, the President Trump, is very big on people wearing ties.
00:14:00.000So Charlie, that might go to it right there.
00:14:02.000So if the President's there, he wants to see people in ties.
00:14:06.000That was the thought I had, which was, I was like, well, if Trump showed up without a tie, we'd let him in.
00:14:11.000And then I was like, but Trump would never go without the tie.
00:16:08.000And then I have to explain to everyone that I was totally not, I was not blasting or anything.
00:16:12.000I was just, I straight up, I thought it was a solid surface and instead I walked right into the pool and there's photograph evidence of this somewhere.
00:16:20.000The video of that would be epic to have for this show.
00:16:53.000I remember turning to Andrew in this very dramatic moment, being like, it's almost too good to be true.
00:17:00.000And you know what's so funny is I got up, I'll never forget, I was on my book tour, it was my first book, my first big book, MAGA Doctrine, and we made New York Times bestseller.
00:17:08.000I was so determined to get that distinction.
00:17:32.000the next morning to fly back From Fort Lauderdale Airport on Alaska Airlines all the way to LA. I remember reading through my Twitter timeline and all of a sudden like all the kind of fringy smart people but the first person that I really paid attention to is Cernovich.
00:18:03.000Yeah, Sagar and Jetty, who I don't know very well, and people like him, and he seems really smart.
00:18:07.000He tweeted something where he was like, COVID could be that thing that just hangs in the background and all of a sudden becomes the biggest thing in the entire election.
00:18:16.000And then it grew, and we're still recovering from it.
00:18:20.000We still have to have the confrontation— I just remember all the videos coming out of China and being like, what is going on with this?
00:18:30.000Because I would read, and I still do from time to time, not as much as I did back then, but I would read Chinese social media and read the Mandarin stuff and be like, Wait, China has never acted like this in response to anything before, because there's this whole thing in Chinese history where the idea that the arrival of pestilence or the arrival of a plague or like invasion or something means that the current leadership has lost the mandate of history and lost the mandate of
00:19:01.000And so On the very first episode of War Room Pandemic, which started right around that same week, I came on and I was talking about how The people were like, oh, China's just trying to get us scared.
00:19:13.000And I was like, no, no, no, no, China wouldn't do that.
00:19:16.000Like, that's why Xi Jinping says this virus is a demon from hell, because he doesn't want people to think that means the CCP has lost the mandate of heaven.
00:19:25.000So I was like, this is very out of character for the CCP to do anything like this.
00:19:30.000And that's what really clued me in that something was going on.
00:19:33.000Yeah, it's amazing to think back to that night.
00:19:37.000Anyway, I don't have much more to add to that, but just kind of think of where you were and what was happening there.
00:19:44.000Alrighty, well, so this is one that we were discussing.
00:19:46.000This is a little, it's a little sordid, but so, and also, Jack, we should remember, since you mentioned Sagar and Jetty, we have to have the Charlie vs.
00:19:56.000Sagar debate on whether we abolish daylight savings time or abolish standard time.
00:20:01.000I think Jack and I are both standard time ever.
00:21:56.000By the way, the spring, when all of a sudden you're three hours behind, by the time it's like 3.30 Arizona time, East Coast is done and you have a full day of work left.
00:22:07.000And by the way, you get up, by the way, let's say you get up at 6.30 or 7, and you can reach anybody you want on the East Coast because they're already in the office, and you have all the texts from the East Coast ready to go, and you could be so efficient.
00:22:49.000We set the tone for the entire day and the Californians wake up a leisurely three hours later and think, oh, you know, let's see what's going on today.
00:23:05.000No, those of us on the East Coast understand We set the majority.
00:23:11.000By the way, the only thing that I would change isn't, so for sure, I'm with Huberman.
00:23:15.000I would do get rid of daylight savings time, standard time only.
00:23:18.000Huberman always says, light in the morning, darkness in the evening.
00:23:21.000But because the east coast of the We should actually be GMT. We should actually be the center focal point of all the time zones, the East Coast of the United States, because London has been superseded by us.
00:26:20.000I'll just say it, by having sex with 100 men in one day, for those running the numbers, that's, you know, about four an hour, slightly over four an hour, so that would be about one every 12, 13 minutes.
00:26:33.000And, yeah, that's like a news story now.
00:26:37.000That's how you become famous and get articles in the Daily Mail and all of that.
00:26:41.000And she apparently says she wants to go for 1,000 in a day, which, for those who want to do the numbers there, that's more than one every two minutes.
00:26:49.000And because we as a people have failed, this is going to happen.
00:26:53.000We haven't been blotted out by, like, a meteorite yet.
00:27:19.000How are we supposed to respond to this overall?
00:27:22.000And we have some video, too, if we want to play it.
00:27:26.000I think, I mean, look, she's a very disgusting and disturbed person, but also, who are the men that want to participate in this thing, though?
00:27:36.000I think an intrepid entrepreneur, not entrepreneur, but journalist like James O'Keefe should sign up for it and then should reveal the identities of all the men that are doing this.
00:27:46.000I think that they should all be exposed.
00:29:30.000But there's something very, very sick about what has happened to the Anglosphere.
00:29:37.000I guess not the cradle of Western civilization, but what was the beating heart of Western civilization for 200, 300 years.
00:29:46.000And now they make content on the internet for perverts with money.
00:29:52.000I want to ask Charlie about, I don't know if you heard this, but apparently her mother is her business manager and she claims that her father is very supportive of And has watched some of her interviews.
00:30:08.000And I guess my question here is, can we fall any lower as a society?
00:30:15.000Is there any bottom that is lower than this?
00:30:37.000Prostitution has always been around, but yeah.
00:30:41.000So having done two encounters on the Whatever podcast, Based on the morality that most OnlyFan young women hold and most college girls hold, why is there anything wrong here?
00:30:58.000Based on their standard, why is a hundred men in 24 hours any more disgusting than two men in two days?
00:31:08.000Or for that matter, why is it more disgusting than like blowing your nose?
00:32:03.000If you believe it's okay to hook up with multiple sexual partners over the course of a weekend, then you hold the sexual morality of, what is her name, Phillips or something?
00:32:18.000By the way, what I find interesting is actually Lily does break The mold of the whatever girl that I isolated in that very viral clip, which is I don't believe she has a good relationship with her father.
00:32:39.000I refuse to believe that a woman that strives to have sex with a hundred men in 24 hours and soon to be a thousand men in 24 hours has a strong male figure in her life.
00:34:25.000Like, I just know, like, when they, like, shoot basketballs and do stuff like that, like, there has to be, like, a record keeper that's there.
00:35:31.000She's actually crying, just coming to terms with what she did.
00:35:35.000I think one of the more interesting things about this is you'll get a lot of...
00:35:42.000Protests or claims that, oh, it's totally normal, it's not weird, doesn't mess them up.
00:35:47.000And then when you really dig into it, as far as I can tell, it's almost always the case that it actually does mess them up.
00:35:55.000And if they present that it doesn't, it's only because they've hit that injury so many times that it's like they're totally numb to it.
00:36:03.000In the same way that, you know, if you smashed your foot with a hammer every day, you'd probably stop even feeling the hammer after a while.
00:36:12.000And that stood out to me, like, a very direct confrontation with how harmful this is.
00:36:18.000And the other thought I had, when we just think about how we respond to this, is...
00:36:22.000I just think about news stories that you can see where, you know, the top model on OnlyFans will make millions and millions of dollars.
00:36:30.000And that the mainstreaming of this is so damaging on the margins because...
00:36:36.000It's like, you know, there's probably always people who are going to do behaviors like this, no matter what, because they're super desperate or it appeals to them or something.
00:36:45.000But when it's legal and mainstreamed, you're creating this, almost this, like, expectation that you're legitimizing it as an option in life.
00:36:54.000And one of the arguments I've always made when I would debate, you know, with more libertarian types, like, should prostitution be legal, is I would just say...
00:37:03.000I don't like the reality that we'll live in where if a woman is down on her luck economically, to say, oh, why don't you just start an OnlyFans account?
00:37:29.000This came up the other day on my daily show and I threw a piece out that I actually and you know I could be wrong but you know hot take that I don't think she's actually gonna do the 1000 guy thing and that she's actually setting herself up and you know maybe this is a cynical take but what can I say I'm a cynic and typically typically serves me pretty well in the clown world in which we all live at this point but That perhaps she's setting herself up in this video and with
00:38:00.000these crying scenes as that she's going to make this like public redemption arc and she's setting herself up.
00:38:08.000Oh, I've seen the error of my ways and I'm reformed and that now she's going to get booked as like there's a bunch of these.
00:38:15.000Oh, gosh, what's the one who does Mia Khalifa?
00:38:18.000She's like, oh, I'm a former porn actress and now I'm a former OnlyFans star.
00:38:23.000And she's going to come out and say, I'm redeemed and I'm better now and everything is great.
00:38:28.000And, you know, maybe she'll even try to work Christianity into that.
00:38:34.000And I just hope and I'll say it this way.
00:38:37.000That I hope that if anything like that does end up happening, that it's done for the right reasons and with an understanding that true redemption requires atonement.
00:38:49.000And atonement requires actually going through a personal moral inventory of yourself and getting right with God.
00:38:59.000And that's not something that we should be glib about, and I assure you that is not something that God is glib about.
00:39:06.000And so it's not like, oh, you just say the magic words and it's all gravy, right?
00:39:11.000And these are some very serious things that she did.
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00:41:57.000Now, I kind of want to keep going with this, guys, if we can, because I do think it's a I think it's a real thing that there have been a lot of this.
00:42:08.000I don't even want to necessarily get theological with it, but I do see a lot of people, you see this with Blake, I think we talked about it once, like the Trad Wife movement.
00:42:18.000I want to say we covered that on the show at one point, that there are people who are trying on these different Identities for social media clout and for followers rather than actually making these true conversions.
00:42:32.000And I'm like, yeah, if you're an actual trad wife, you're not going to be on social media.
00:42:54.000Obviously, like, I think the ability to go around traditional media, for example, is why we were able to win this presidential election.
00:43:02.000It's an effect on individual people, like if you are mediating your view of the world through social media, that if you spend so much time, I guess back in the day it would be looking at people's Facebook updates, but now it's their Instagram posts.
00:43:18.000If you're interfacing with the world where your understanding of the people around you is by what they post on social media and your sense of your self-worth is by how much engagement you get on social media and instead of having a normal career of any sort, you just exist as an influencer, that's hugely corrosive to you as a person.
00:43:38.000And I guess bluntly, I think it is clearly worse for young women than it is for men.
00:43:44.000One of my fun takes at parties is I basically will say that social media is to women what pornography is to men.
00:45:30.000You know, I say that like we're checking for spies while we walk a certain way or something and they totally respond.
00:45:36.000Are your kids old enough that you've told them, you know, that where you served and that you are connected with Rear Admiral Crandall and like if they misbehave, you could send them to Gitmo.
00:45:48.000Blake, there are certain things that are at a higher classification level.
00:46:15.000It was kind of like Weekly World News, if you remember that one, the classic with Batboy and everything that you would get at the supermarket aisle.
00:46:24.000It is basically that for the internet, and it is amazing and obviously 100% accurate in every single thing.
00:46:32.000Yeah, why would I read any other website when there's only one accurate website?
00:46:52.000I think the most interesting thing about this entire social media play that's probably the most sickening part of the entire thing, it's one thing to be a sexual deviant, right?
00:47:05.000That's not why she's doing this, right?
00:47:07.000She's doing this because, and this is the clout chasing thing.
00:47:11.000People will do whatever they can to clout chase.
00:47:14.000And it kind of makes you feel disgusting when you watch, like, I catch my kids on YouTube Shorts, on YouTube Kids, or whatever it is, where they watch all these things.
00:47:22.000Oh, dude, my kids can't get off YouTube Shorts.
00:47:33.000And you're like, why are adults doing this weirdo content?
00:47:36.000And it's clout chasing so they can make money.
00:47:39.000And there's a weird part of that where you're looking at that and you're going, it's kind of disgusting that they're lowering themselves to do that thing that you know that nobody really actually wants to do.
00:47:49.000But now they're living this life of making this incredibly weirdo content, like playing with Barbie dolls and making them talk to each other and doing all sorts of things, like in toys.
00:47:58.000And you're like, they're lowering themselves because they're making tremendous amounts of money.
00:48:04.000It's the same thing, in my opinion, with like women who degrade themselves on OnlyFans or whatever else, like whatever they choose to do, because they're choosing to make money over like with that as the exchange rate.
00:48:17.000And, you know, I think there's elements where it's like, oh, well, you do that once or whatever.
00:48:22.000It's like, you know, you learn from it and that's easier to come back from.
00:48:26.000But it does become a habitual thing where you're like, whether it's like you're on YouTube and you're playing with dolls as an adult or whatever it is, like making voices and editing all this stuff or doing like weirdo stuff or...
00:48:38.000Taking your children and turning them into YouTube channels like we saw with a couple of other really bad situations where kids are basically being abused because they're forced to work because they're making money on YouTube.
00:48:50.000Anywhere in the world, by the way, where you can't protect children in those environments.
00:48:57.000I'm kind of getting off into a tangent.
00:48:59.000That's, to me, what's the feeling that's so questionable.
00:49:03.000And that's hard to come back from because once you start making all kinds of money doing that, Like, you're now motivated to do more, you know, exploitative, what is that the word, type content that exploits yourself, that's just trying to clout chase so you can get more subscribers to make more money, and you gotta keep doing more and more of it until, it's like, when do you spin out?
00:49:24.000Circling back to what I said, that's like, you know, with the porn thing, or with the porn thing, where it starts off normal, and they start, now it's like, oh, I can only watch this disgusting incest, assault place, and then, Same thing here.
00:49:38.000It's taking a part of your brain and super stimulating it.
00:49:41.000And by the way, politics is the same way.
00:49:43.000I've seen the same thing happen with people in politics where it's like they need more and they need more and they need more and they get more control over things and they have to feed their ego and fight more on Twitter and they have to fight more in public and they have to be right all the time.
00:49:57.000It's a human characteristic that's a flaw That if you feed that beast, you continue to have those problems and those issues.
00:50:27.000That, hey, if I'm going to use my social media for anything, Number one, it is, of course, the most important thing that I only use it for good and making sure that people get the best night's sleep in the whole wide world with MyPillow.com.
00:50:44.000And there's no question that that's what the purpose of social media is for, not just for self, you know, for self-gain or self-interest.
00:50:54.000It is to make sure that I spread that news to everyone.
00:50:58.000No, in all seriousness, though, It's like any new technology.
00:51:05.000We're all still kind of wrestling with it.
00:51:07.000Obviously, this played a huge role in the election where the Republican candidate, President Trump, went all in on new media and social media and technology and Kamala Harris played this legacy media route and totally was destroyed.
00:51:22.000It wasn't even a good legacy media route and was destroyed over it where Trump was all X in podcasts.
00:51:27.000And so the The way that we as a society react to the internet, we're still kind of going through those growing pains.
00:51:37.000But it's going to be something where, I mean, look, you know, Elon Musk, hey, this guy is the founder, well, not the founder, the owner of X. And as the owner of X, you know, I have to imagine it's something that he's going to want to discuss.
00:51:52.000I think Rock is probably the best AI that's out there right now.
00:51:56.000But, you know, at the same time, the gamification of X has certainly made X a just a less quality platform than it used to be, because you see, they call this a lot.
00:52:07.000I don't know if you guys have seen this slop posting.
00:52:09.000So slop posting is which is similar kind of what I would say to what Lily Phillips is doing.
00:52:14.000It's just another form of slop posting where you're just posting something that you know is going to get engagement because it generates either controversy Or it's like, you know, something that's just going to get obvious retweets and it's not actually contributing anything to anyone.
00:52:30.000And that's clearly what Lily Phillips.
00:52:32.000So who does this contribute anything to?
00:52:35.000I mean, it reminds me of if anything, it just I keep going back to the character of Fantine in in Les Mis.
00:52:44.000And, you know, if anyone's seen that in the novel, by the way, the original novel, the Victor Hugo novel of Les Mis, I mean, it's just horrible.
00:52:52.000She gets her teeth pulled out and the guys are lying to her.
00:52:58.000She sells herself into prostitution because she wants to help her daughter after her husband dies in the Napoleonic Wars.
00:53:05.000And the people that are watching her daughter lie to her and tell her that her daughter is sick.
00:53:11.000And so she's doing worse and worse prostitution and more and more men in a single night, which is what makes me think of it.
00:53:18.000And she eventually dies basically of a, you know, an STD and she's like selling her hair.
00:53:27.000And of course, she's this is the the background and musical side of it for the famous song, I Dream to Dream.
00:53:34.000And it's like, you know, and that so people people read that song as being in earnest, but in actuality, in the context of the musical, It's like the character is dreaming a dream or did dream a dream once that has been completely lost.
00:53:52.000And it's the character of a lost soul.
00:53:55.000And I look at somebody like Lily Phillips and I just see a lost soul.
00:53:58.000So, you know, the ancient philosophers would have the stuff they wrote where they would say, you know, moderation in all things.
00:54:14.000It's a real concept that they would have and I think what often isn't realized is it's very easy to think of that in terms of direct consumption you know don't don't eat too much food don't do too many drugs don't drink too much alcohol but they actually would have that conception as well for things that we would think of as like emotional equilibrium like you should not over indulge in like a certain Almost like a certain mental attribute and I was thinking about that when Tyler mentioned
00:54:45.000you know the way people essentially overdose on politics that you can actually actively you can over stoke your ability to get enraged about something you can overdo your ability to be to be angry to be sad even like you it's really true that you can wallow in too much of an emotion and you have to actively avoid doing that I mean, I've seen it as a case.
00:55:08.000Like, if you suffer a romantic setback, it's very easy to, like, you can wallow in that too much when what you need to be doing is finding actively ways to get away from that, to recenter your emotional equilibrium.
00:55:22.000And I think social media, it's underrated in how much damage it causes in that regard because social media is like an endless ability to intensify whatever emotion you are already feeling.
00:55:35.000And I think we're only at the beginning of fully understanding the long-term hazards of that because we started to see the harms from it almost immediately, but now we're getting into our first period where we have people who are grown adults who have spent their entire lives in a world where this is an everyday, constant thing.
00:55:56.000And I think that is definitely a strong driver of all of the off-the-charts mental illness that we're finding.
00:56:03.000Blake, do you think, so people have talked about a, you know, an internet bill of rights or a digital bill of rights.
00:56:12.000Do you think, from a consumer protection standpoint, do you think that these are the types of things, so people talk about it in terms of like the ownership of your data, people talk about it in terms of censorship, but do you think things like this ought to be brought into a, you know, a digital bill of rights in that conversation?
00:56:30.000So, a digital bill of rights to give you a right to Well, so I guess in this case, it would be a right to, you know, force social media companies to allow you to opt out, in a sense, or to allow you to take a break.
00:57:26.000I'm not talking about from a constitutional or legal perspective, but I'm just saying from a strict public health perspective, do you think that's something that would be useful?
00:57:41.000People would always make fun of Jean-Jacques Rousseau, the brainchild of the French Revolution.
00:57:46.000Many problems with him, but one of those terminologies, one of those phrases he had that people always...
00:57:52.000I've seen would get confused by is where he would say that people need to be forced to be free, basically, is one of the things that he said.
00:57:59.000And it doesn't make a lot of sense if you're talking about political liberty or something.
00:58:04.000But I definitely think about it when you have all of these addictive things pervading society.
00:58:11.000And it gets to the question of, okay, yes, it is literally a choice to do sports gambling on one of those apps.
00:58:21.000It's a choice, for that matter, to use any actual drugs.
00:58:24.000But when these things can be designed to be as addictive as they are and when there's so many of these things...
00:58:34.000I think you do start to see, as conservatives, do we have a social interest to basically come in and say, this stuff gets out of control too easily, and we need to impose limits to make it, at a minimum, harder to get addicted to all of this stuff.
00:58:50.000And circling all the way back to how we got on this with the Lily Phillips thing, at least if we don't ban it outright, make it harder for your average ordinary person to get tracked down a path that we find undesirable.
00:59:03.000And I guess the most extreme libertarians would say if 35 percent of women want to have an only fans career during their lives, oh, that's fine.
00:59:54.000Actually, I think that's the most divisive thing, honestly, with just one-on-one personal relationships is just the phone that comes in between people.
01:00:05.000For me, I think the hardest thing about circumstances like this is it's hard not to judge people.
01:00:13.000We all have our own, like we said, inadequacies, especially when it comes to social media.
01:00:23.000We have other people in our lives that kind of fall prey to it.
01:00:25.000So, you know, it's just one of those things where it's like you got to, you know, hang up and hang out, you know, which is just I think less in the digital space is probably more.
01:00:38.000The less you do on your phone, probably more you're going to lean into your kids, into your career, into your life, into your church, into all sorts of things that are probably a lot healthier for you.
01:00:48.000Yeah, or if Charlie were here, I'm sure he would point out that he takes an entire day every week off of social media and text messages and phone calls where he does every Saturday.
01:01:01.000He sort of does a digital Shabbos and he kind of I don't think he goes off of the internet.
01:01:08.000He can still go to websites, but just email, texting, telegram, anything where there's communication involved, he cuts that all out and phone calls as well.
01:01:18.000So that's just another great example of something that you can do to take a day away from all of the nonsense.
01:01:26.000And I think it's something that we should probably all think of as well.
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