The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 67 — Saved By The Bell and the H-1B Debate

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00:01:31.000 Okay, everybody.

00:01:32.000 It is thought crime.

00:01:34.000 It's not Thursday.

00:01:35.000 It's just a floating day here.

00:01:37.000 By the way, before we get to Saved by the Bell, we have Blake, who is an undisclosed location in South Dakota.

00:01:43.000 Am I right?

00:01:44.000 That I guess the state, right?

00:01:45.000 Yeah, you are right, Charlie.

00:01:47.000 We are in furthest South Dakota, and no one will find me from there because it's a big state with very few people.

00:01:52.000 Did you see the sun today?

00:01:55.000 Maybe.

00:01:58.000 You look like you've seen some sun.

00:01:59.000 I was going to say, you're looking very tan.

00:02:04.000 Great to see you.

00:02:04.000 I don't know where Jack is.

00:02:07.000 He was just on.

00:02:08.000 In the meantime, can we talk about Tyler?

00:02:10.000 By the way, Tyler's huge ASU fan.

00:02:12.000 I totally support him.

00:02:13.000 I have nothing against ASU. I'm cheering for ASU big time, by the way.

00:02:16.000 They are the first game on New Year's Day.

00:02:18.000 Blake, no eye-rolling or interrupting, okay?

00:02:21.000 We're going to have real men conversation here about college football.

00:02:24.000 How screwed up is the college football playoff this year that Oregon has the hardest path despite being the number one seed?

00:02:29.000 So I'm torn because I love the college football playoff because for guys like us...

00:02:34.000 Love!

00:02:35.000 Love it because...

00:02:36.000 But it's been a total failure so far.

00:02:37.000 ASU could not be in this position, right, with a bye if it wasn't for all this.

00:02:42.000 But I totally agree.

00:02:44.000 I think the seeding for the 12 is screwed up.

00:02:48.000 So I like the expanded 12-team playoff.

00:02:50.000 I like the general consensus of you take basically the four champions, the top-rated.

00:02:56.000 I even think the bye schedule is kind of okay, where usually it's going to be the big four that get the bye.

00:03:03.000 But Oregon is getting totally shafted.

00:03:05.000 It's terrible.

00:03:07.000 Oregon has the hardest game.

00:03:08.000 Oregon's the number one team.

00:03:10.000 So they have to play a team they've already beat in the Rose Bowl.

00:03:13.000 In the hardest.

00:03:15.000 The venue of the Rose Bowl, you could argue, is the most difficult, most pressure.

00:03:19.000 A lot of pressure.

00:03:20.000 I agree.

00:03:21.000 It's not like loud.

00:03:22.000 It's just like it's playing in a Super Bowl.

00:03:24.000 Well, the Rose Bowl people are very happy because it may not have worked out that a Big Ten, because they were going to try to honor a Big Ten team.

00:03:34.000 This is all rigged.

00:03:35.000 They did this to try to get ratings on New Year's Day.

00:03:37.000 Totally.

00:03:38.000 So they're taking a former PAC team against a Big Ten team.

00:03:41.000 So now it's two Big Ten teams in the Rose Bowl?

00:03:43.000 Like, this is what they wanted.

00:03:45.000 And this is going to be the biggest pressure.

00:03:47.000 If Oregon were to be successful, they go to Dallas to probably play Texas, but maybe ASU. ASU or Texas, they would get very lucky.

00:03:54.000 And you're going to the ASU game, right?

00:03:55.000 I'm going to Atlanta.

00:03:57.000 I think it's hilarious.

00:03:58.000 Oh, it's front row seats on the Texas side.

00:04:00.000 I bought them before we even knew.

00:04:02.000 They were cheap over on that side.

00:04:04.000 So my whole family is front row.

00:04:06.000 We've got eight flags.

00:04:08.000 Are you serious?

00:04:08.000 Oh, we're hanging over.

00:04:09.000 You're going to get on TV. Oh yeah, because we're in the TV shot because it's on the side.

00:04:14.000 I think that's great.

00:04:15.000 And then Texas is 13.5 point favorites on New Year's Day.

00:04:19.000 Oh yeah.

00:04:20.000 Which could happen.

00:04:21.000 Yeah, it could happen.

00:04:22.000 But Arizona State will give it its best thing.

00:04:25.000 Scataboo.

00:04:26.000 So get this.

00:04:26.000 If Oregon wins...

00:04:28.000 They advance to the Cotton Bowl to then play Texas in Dallas.

00:04:33.000 So they play the toughest first round bye game.

00:04:37.000 Despite being the number one seed.

00:04:38.000 Despite being the number one seed because Ohio State is arguably one of the best teams in America.

00:04:41.000 Who they've already beaten.

00:04:42.000 Yeah.

00:04:42.000 Ohio State may be like the third best team in America.

00:04:45.000 By the way, they might beat Oregon.

00:04:46.000 Like, just to be clear.

00:04:46.000 They might be the second best team.

00:04:47.000 I think they're the second best team in the country.

00:04:49.000 They might beat Oregon.

00:04:49.000 Like, no doubt.

00:04:50.000 It's like right in there.

00:04:51.000 And then they're going to have to play like an on-fire Texas in Dallas.

00:04:55.000 In Dallas.

00:04:56.000 In Jerry Stadium, which I will go to.

00:04:58.000 Which is going to be like 90% Texas fans.

00:05:00.000 90%.

00:05:00.000 And if they are lucky enough to win that game, they go to Atlanta to likely play Georgia in Atlanta.

00:05:07.000 In Atlanta.

00:05:07.000 This is what the number one seed gets you.

00:05:09.000 Does anyone else think this is pathologically insane?

00:05:12.000 Well, this is why with NIL, and with the new playoff, you actually are at a disadvantage now being a team.

00:05:20.000 You used to be at an advantage being a team like Oregon in a small town like Eugene because you dominated, you didn't have competition.

00:05:28.000 So you just got all the money.

00:05:29.000 Now with NIL, now it's shifted.

00:05:32.000 So not only are you having to compete in a small town with big town people with big town donors, but then you have big town fans that show up to these big town games.

00:05:44.000 You're never going to have a game in Portland.

00:05:46.000 You're never going to have a game in Seattle.

00:05:50.000 That's a really smart point.

00:05:51.000 So as far as a fan base, we're cooked.

00:05:54.000 By the way, who's in the Fiesta Bowl this year?

00:05:57.000 Oh, it's Penn State, Boise State.

00:05:59.000 I was ticked off that ASU didn't get slotted in the Fiesta Bowl.

00:06:02.000 Well, think about how great that would have been for us.

00:06:05.000 I mean, it would have been unavoidable.

00:06:06.000 It would have been us versus Penn State.

00:06:09.000 So in some ways, you wish they would have been rearranged.

00:06:12.000 Anyway, all screwed up.

00:06:13.000 Needless to say, Jack, should we have more H-1B visas in this country? 0.81

00:06:17.000 Yeah.

00:06:18.000 No, absolutely not.

00:06:22.000 The two most important things happening on the planet.

00:06:26.000 Zero or at least net zero.

00:06:29.000 So Jack, for the audience that was enjoying their loved ones, not staring at Twitter all day long, what happened?

00:06:36.000 Did we experience MAGA Chernobyl?

00:06:38.000 Well, we experienced a MAGA dust-up, but MAGA Chernobyl is ridiculous.

00:06:44.000 That sounds like something that some George Soros operative would want to put out into the ether to try to give the Democrats some glimmer of hope that this country is possibly interested in coming back towards them again.

00:06:56.000 No, there was no Maggie Chernobyl. 0.58

00:06:58.000 And no, the country is totally over all you, the woke Arati and the wokeness that got us into the situation that we're currently in. 0.67

00:07:07.000 But what happened was probably a predictable and generally, I think, forthcoming argument and debate between members of, shall we say, the tech right and members of the MAGA base as pertains to the level of immigration, particularly we're talking about legal immigration now to the United States as pertains Interestingly enough, directly to the tech right.

00:07:35.000 So do people remember that when Trump went on the All In podcast a couple of months ago, it was during the campaign, and at the very end of it, he said, oh, well, you know, I think that when a graduate comes out of high school, we should staple a green card on the back of that diploma and then put them into college, etc.

00:07:52.000 And I mean, you just saw people from War Room and Steve Bannon at the time completely push back on that.

00:07:59.000 And I believe Caroline Levitt Had said something about like, oh, he was just making a suggestion.

00:08:05.000 And, you know, kind of never went anywhere from that.

00:08:07.000 Well, we have another dust up around the very same issue of H1Bs wanting to come in or really tech CEOs wanting H1Bs to come in because they're incredibly cheap.

00:08:19.000 They undercut American labor, they undercut American tech workers, American STEM, etc., etc.

00:08:24.000 And Then, you know, people are going back and forth with Elon, Mike Cernovich got involved, and then Vivek Ramaswamy put out a post saying that it's not actually economically based, that it is in fact culturally based, and essentially that American culture is wrong.

00:08:42.000 And since the 1990s, it has been wrong for favoring essentially entertainment and fun and life and, you know, kind of jocular culture and athletics and charisma over like, I don't know, spelling bees and math studies.

00:09:00.000 And he made some really I wouldn't say obscure, but really pointed and plucked out 90s and a little bit of early 2000s TV and Movie references, like the film Whiplash, which is like, by the way, it's a film about child abuse, if anyone hasn't actually seen it, in regards to a kid who's at a school that's kind of like Juilliard.

00:09:28.000 I've seen it, by the way.

00:09:30.000 But then also talked about Friends, Boy Meets World, and Saved by the Bell, and essentially offered those as things that we should not emulate.

00:09:41.000 And, you know, see here, More math tutoring, more sleepovers, more weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning cartoons, more books, less TV, more creating, less chillin', more extracurriculars.

00:09:54.000 By the way, less chillin' from the guy who can sing Eminem verbatim.

00:10:00.000 Most normal Americans look skeptically at quote, those kinds of parents, more normal American kids watch those kinds of kids with scorn.

00:10:09.000 If you grow up aspiring to normalcy, normalcy is what you achieve.

00:10:13.000 Now close your eyes and visualize the families you know in the 90s or even now who raised their kids according to one model versus the other.

00:10:19.000 Be brutally honest.

00:10:22.000 Yeah.

00:10:23.000 So a couple things.

00:10:25.000 I need you to educate me on Saved by the Bell.

00:10:29.000 Blake, how old are you again?

00:10:30.000 I am 34 years old.

00:10:32.000 And Jack, you're like 36, right?

00:10:35.000 80,000.

00:10:37.000 You're 80,000 years old?

00:10:38.000 Yes, I am.

00:10:39.000 Do you not share your age?

00:10:41.000 Is this some sort of woman thing? 1.00

00:10:42.000 I'm actually curious.

00:10:44.000 No, I'm 40. You're 40. Tyler's right on the...

00:10:47.000 I'm on the bubble.

00:10:48.000 I'm younger than Jack.

00:10:49.000 This is not some sort of trick.

00:10:50.000 I'm just saying I'm 31, so the Saved by the Bell thing...

00:10:53.000 You missed it.

00:10:54.000 You guys were kind of teasing me.

00:10:56.000 It legitimately wasn't my thing, so I need you to educate me on it.

00:10:58.000 But let me just first just say...

00:11:00.000 Teen comedy.

00:11:02.000 No, no, it's great.

00:11:02.000 No, I'm not even criticizing it because we had our own stuff.

00:11:05.000 We had Full House, right?

00:11:06.000 We had, I don't know if Full House was as much in your guys' demo, but we had Full House, we had Even Stevens, right?

00:11:13.000 Even Stevens is your issue.

00:11:13.000 We had That So Raven.

00:11:14.000 Yeah, so that was my, like, strike zone.

00:11:17.000 Beans.

00:11:17.000 But what I think Vivek was trying to say, which if I was advising him, I would have not sent that tweet.

00:11:22.000 And Jack, this is where I want you to go into explaining Saved by the Bell, is that it could be read, and I don't think he meant it this way, as he was crapping on people's beloved culture and country, especially the Gen X generation that wants America to get back to that reference point. 0.93

00:11:39.000 Is that fair to say, Jack?

00:11:41.000 Because the Gen X kind of roar was the undercurrent of MAGA. 0.52

00:11:46.000 Gen X was the most pro-MAGA demographic this election cycle.

00:11:50.000 And they look at that America's like, no, that's actually what we want to get back to.

00:11:54.000 Don't crap on that.

00:11:56.000 Jack, respond to that and also explain what is Saved by the Bell and the cultural significance.

00:12:00.000 Yeah, no, you're generally accurate.

00:12:03.000 So I think Vivek, JD and myself are all pretty much like within a couple of months of each other.

00:12:10.000 So this is actually that really sweet spot of like late 80s, early 90s.

00:12:15.000 So it's technically like most Gen Xers probably didn't watch Saved by the Bell because it would have been considered too young for them.

00:12:22.000 But also, you know, older than yourself.

00:12:25.000 And it really is that sweet spot.

00:12:27.000 I call it centennials.

00:12:28.000 I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole.

00:12:29.000 But essentially what you're saying, Charlie, is correct.

00:12:31.000 Is that it is not just the...

00:12:35.000 And by the way, Mario Lopez, of course, is still, you know, pretty much a mainstay of daytime TV. Somehow he still looks the exact same age.

00:12:42.000 We all got to find his doctor, right?

00:12:46.000 And there is an aesthetic element here as well.

00:12:50.000 Because this is it's not quite So Gen X would be more like John Hughes, which is something that got referenced earlier on War Room today by Gavin Waxx.

00:13:03.000 And by the way, John Hughes movies from the 16 Candles, Breakfast Club, Home Alone, these are all movies that myself, guys like Still Boneless and others were making memes of in 2024 to describe the America that we were trying to return to.

00:13:21.000 And so Saved by the Bell, yeah, it definitely kind of fits in that canon because it's America before it became whatever we are now.

00:13:28.000 And so attacking this, not only did it shift the, I think, the current of the argument, but it just really hit on a nerve for a lot of people who are like, wait a minute, this was a beloved TV show.

00:13:43.000 And yeah, you know, Screech was the comedic relief or the Stephen Urkel character in Family Matters, another thing that they've mentioned.

00:13:50.000 But nobody hated Screech, right?

00:13:54.000 He was always portrayed as a character that was a member of the Friends.

00:13:59.000 And even though he was always getting into trouble, people would always treat him with respect.

00:14:05.000 And a lot of the episodes were like, hey, how do we help Screech out of a jam?

00:14:09.000 There was never a, this is the guy we pick on and hate.

00:14:13.000 It was never like that at all.

00:14:15.000 And I don't really think there were any of those types of things in the 90s, even in the 80s with John Hughes movies.

00:14:22.000 Anyway, there's this whole undercurrent of MAGA is turning America back into this.

00:14:27.000 And it felt like that was what was getting attacked.

00:14:29.000 Well, and the history here, too, is like, I mean, there's so much sacred here in Saved by the Ball, because you encapsulated it correctly, which is like, it's tail end Gen X older millennials.

00:14:42.000 So the oldest millennials were the early 80s born millennials.

00:14:48.000 Those are the ones that...

00:14:50.000 Guarded Saved by the Bell.

00:14:52.000 Like, it's their life.

00:14:52.000 All of us, really, throughout our entire lives here at high school, modeled our lives, basically, after Saved by the Bell.

00:14:58.000 It was that big of a deal.

00:14:58.000 Is that right?

00:14:59.000 Oh, that big of a deal.

00:15:00.000 And our first guy, and we were saying in the chat...

00:15:01.000 Huge!

00:15:02.000 Huge!

00:15:03.000 What's the premise of the movie?

00:15:04.000 Of the movie, the TV show?

00:15:05.000 It's a slapstick.

00:15:07.000 It actually started as a show called Good Morning Miss Bliss, which started early in junior high.

00:15:16.000 So you actually followed the character Zach as he kind of built this friend group throughout high school.

00:15:22.000 And it was the entire...

00:15:24.000 That's an element of his entire high school.

00:15:26.000 So you actually have an entire fake built high school culture that's a centered American 90s high school culture that basically for over a decade every American modeled themselves after.

00:15:40.000 Your first crush wasn't Jennifer Aniston and friends.

00:15:43.000 It was Kelly Kapowski in Saved by the Bell.

00:15:47.000 Your friend that you knew.

00:15:48.000 Kelly Kapowski, let's go!

00:15:50.000 And by the way, Tiffany Amber Thiessen, who has actually connection to Arizona.

00:15:55.000 Great person.

00:15:56.000 Great family.

00:15:57.000 They're trying to raise their family the right way.

00:15:59.000 Great example.

00:16:00.000 But you have Zach, who's the guy.

00:16:02.000 And then you have the jock.

00:16:03.000 And then you have Screech, rest in peace, who's now dead. 0.85

00:16:06.000 Which, by the way, is also an element of this.

00:16:09.000 How dare you, you know, incite the name of Screech, who's dead.

00:16:12.000 But everybody basically modeled their friend group.

00:16:15.000 Friend groups, I would argue in America, became friend groups modeled after Saved by the Bell.

00:16:22.000 Keep on educating me, guys.

00:16:24.000 So what would be the cultural ethos?

00:16:26.000 And Jack, let's connect to the H-1B debate.

00:16:28.000 What did Vivek say?

00:16:31.000 Again, Vivek is a dear friend.

00:16:32.000 I'm dialoguing with him right now as I'm doing this.

00:16:34.000 And you guys know that.

00:16:36.000 I've been giving him fair and honest feedback on this.

00:16:38.000 And he's great.

00:16:40.000 What did Vivek say in his tweet about Saved by the Bell?

00:16:42.000 And why do you think that was a miscategorization?

00:16:45.000 Blake, Jack, whoever.

00:16:47.000 I think it was a miscategorization big time.

00:16:49.000 What did he say first?

00:16:50.000 Please, start with what he said.

00:16:53.000 He said that, well, prefacing that to explain what he said, is that he essentially was saying that We idolize or emulate the two main characters are Slater and Zack, and Zack is sort of like the preppy pop-collar cool kid, whereas AC Slater is your typical athletic jock, and he's on the wrestling team, etc.

00:17:20.000 Whereas Screech is your geek.

00:17:22.000 These are all archetypes, and the John Hughes Breakfast Club plays into that as well.

00:17:28.000 But what Vivek was saying was that essentially he didn't view this as a play on just a group of friends and, hey, these are a bunch of different identities.

00:17:40.000 He was saying that we are venerating, you know, the jock and the preppy cool kid over the, you know, the sort of nerdy, geeky character of Screech.

00:17:52.000 And I mean, I've never viewed Saved by the Bell that way, to be honest.

00:17:56.000 I don't know that we, you know, And on the above hand, he says here, a culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math Olympiad champ or the jock over the valedictorian will not produce the best engineers.

00:18:12.000 And so, I mean, I could go on about this, but, you know, I would also say that, you know, that really is American culture in a lot of ways.

00:18:22.000 Neil Armstrong is one of these guys.

00:18:25.000 Yeah, let me just get to the nerd here. 0.94

00:18:26.000 So, Blake, what do you make of this?

00:18:28.000 Because, Blake, you're the smartest person.

00:18:30.000 Come on! 0.61

00:18:30.000 That's why I had to interject. 0.61

00:18:32.000 I was going to be nice about it.

00:18:34.000 No, no, no.

00:18:34.000 Blake knows I introduced him as the smartest person I know.

00:18:37.000 He went to Dartmouth.

00:18:39.000 No, no, seriously.

00:18:40.000 But what do you make of this?

00:18:41.000 Because do you err on the side that the Spelling Bee champion should get Pamela Anderson? 1.00

00:18:49.000 Where do you stay on this whole conversation?

00:18:52.000 It definitely is...

00:18:53.000 So first of all, I can't say too much about Saved by the Bell.

00:18:56.000 I'm in that perfect age range where I remember Saved by the Bell as it aired after Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, which is what I was watching when I was four years old, of course.

00:19:06.000 Wait, you saw Saved by the Bell, the new class.

00:19:09.000 That's a totally different thing.

00:19:10.000 No, the new class is totally...

00:19:12.000 It did also have Screech, though.

00:19:13.000 Yeah, it did, but you're talking about something totally different.

00:19:18.000 You know, I guess I don't remember.

00:19:21.000 I just remember the voice that was like, Saved by the Bell.

00:19:24.000 I can't remember how it went, but it went like that.

00:19:26.000 No, you want us to sing you the whole entire theme song?

00:19:29.000 Jack and I can promise you the whole thing.

00:19:30.000 No, I don't.

00:19:31.000 I've heard you try to sing it.

00:19:34.000 When you wake up in the morning and you...

00:19:37.000 No, but culturally, I guess, I think what really stood out, the reason that this went and it got, we're currently at 73 million views on this tweet from Vivek.

00:19:47.000 I think what stood out to people is it wasn't just, it was the fact that it was so locked into this 90s cultural thing, and I think what people picked up from it, it was almost this sense of, honestly,

00:20:03.000 the word that comes to mind is resentment, that There are people who are essentially they're like angry that they weren't more popular in high school or something and it's America's job writ large to be punished for this and also this tone of like You watched Saved by the Bell,

00:20:23.000 or your parents watched Saved by the Bell 30 years ago, and as a result, America needs to have more H-1B workers who will fill this or that job.

00:20:34.000 And if you pause and think about that, that is completely insane and doesn't make any sense, but it's a type that you run into.

00:20:43.000 You can see accounts like this, where people will just overtly say, basically, we need to have more immigration because I am bitter and resentful towards you.

00:20:54.000 There was this book that got profiled a few years ago in NPR. It was called, This Land is Our Land.

00:21:02.000 An Immigrant's Manifesto and the author was an NYU journalism professor named Suketu Mehta and he basically said we need lots of immigration to America because the British colonized India and basically like I'm angry about that and this is a form of reparations.

00:21:21.000 If you scratch at it you can very easily run into this almost resentful attitude at ordinary Americans and I think that is really what set people off with what Vivek was saying.

00:21:35.000 It's that you could pick up this thing of like, yeah, like basically, why didn't we, you know, venerate people like me more when I was in high school?

00:21:44.000 And that's a problem.

00:21:46.000 And as part of it, he's also just indulging these weird myths because in real life, the jock versus nerd thing is not Jack and I talked about this.

00:21:57.000 The jock versus nerd thing is not really that real.

00:22:00.000 I believe jocks on average actually, like high school athletes, get better grades than other people do in college.

00:22:07.000 Well, and that's actually- College athletes get better grades than other kids in college.

00:22:12.000 so there's there's actually a plot line in saved by the bell that where the zach morris who's essentially the main character of it i think it's like towards the end of the run because it's he's it's a senior year in high school and he takes the sats and it's it's portrayed as kind of comedic but he ends up getting like a 1500 on the sats without even studying for it so it's like No, it actually does show things that can happen and that gets accepted to Yale and all this stuff.

00:22:41.000 And it turns out that, no, as a matter of fact, there is high achievement and that's not necessarily tied towards, you know, performing the specific set of weights.

00:22:50.000 Like it's not an Excel spreadsheet that you can be talented and you can be smart and also play sports or like you could play lacrosse or you could be track and field, you could play baseball, whatever.

00:22:59.000 That doesn't like one doesn't negate the other.

00:23:01.000 And this is kind of a strange sort of like very Hollywood imposed kind of identity archetype that, you know, we do then seek to use throughout society.

00:23:11.000 But real life doesn't always match up with that.

00:23:13.000 Now, just to steal man of Vivek's argument, for the record, I'm very much against H1Bs. 1.00

00:23:18.000 And I think this tweet could have been worded differently.

00:23:21.000 But don't we see some truth in what Vivek was saying?

00:23:25.000 And I'll start with with Blake, that there has been this slow motion decline in the mediocrity, that there has been this acceptance that we're no longer going to pursue excellence, that we're no longer going to be the best at things anymore.

00:23:39.000 or Would you agree there's some truth in that, in the larger theme of what Vivek was trying to touch on here?

00:23:48.000 I definitely think it's a big problem.

00:23:48.000 Absolutely.

00:23:50.000 And as conservatives, we've noted this over and over.

00:23:53.000 A lot of liberalism is trying to convince people to accept failure and mediocrity.

00:23:59.000 Oh, our cities are just supposed to not be well run.

00:24:03.000 What I will note is a lot of that is downstream of the same ideology that gives us massive amounts of immigration, which is the DEI agenda.

00:24:12.000 It's like the HRification of America. 0.86

00:24:16.000 Why are we so okay with so much mediocrity?

00:24:19.000 Well, one thing is we have...

00:24:24.000 So much of that is we're not able to handle the fact that different people have different amounts of talent and this manifests in terms of people getting different grades, different test scores, and ultimately working in different jobs.

00:24:39.000 And where have we seen this?

00:24:41.000 Who's been most affected by this?

00:24:43.000 Well, we know from the Harvard admissions lawsuit that went to the Supreme Court that probably the people who get discriminated against the most, we have A lot of East Asians.

00:24:53.000 And we just have ordinary, nerdy white guys from Iowa or wherever who like engineering.

00:25:01.000 Those people get massively discriminated against by colleges, by employers, by government, for that matter.

00:25:09.000 And...

00:25:10.000 So the DEI agenda, the same thing that says we have to have tons of immigration and we have to think that basically is going to vilify the historical population of America, that's the same ideology that's saying we need race-based school admissions, we need race-based hiring, we need to get rid of standardized tests because we don't like what standardized tests tell us.

00:25:31.000 And I think the obvious downstream effect of that is you're getting jaded people who aren't caring as much about You know, success.

00:25:40.000 They aren't getting the message that if I work hard, I will be rewarded because instead they're being told, if I work hard, I will still just be vilified for who I am and preferences are going to be given to other people who work less hard, who have less ability because they're a politically favored group.

00:25:58.000 You can't just suddenly throw out that that happens and say, oh, well, no, we broke America's culture, and the only way to fix it is we need to have a bunch of H-1Bs for my cousins from Bangalore. 0.99

00:26:09.000 I have a little bit of a thought-crimey statement to make.

00:26:13.000 I'm going to be careful about how I say this so I don't end up causing everybody self-harm here.

00:26:18.000 But I actually think that the hypocrisy in the tweet is that Steve Urkel and Screech are both very American.

00:26:28.000 They're not transplants.

00:26:31.000 And they're not family members of transplants.

00:26:33.000 They're not kids who are here on Visa.

00:26:36.000 They're not family members of first-generation Americans, as far as we can tell.

00:26:41.000 Screech is a very American nerd from Bayside High.

00:26:45.000 And Steve Urkel is...

00:26:47.000 And they're both in love with very similar characters.

00:26:49.000 This is really weird.

00:26:50.000 Both named Lisa.

00:26:52.000 So you have this whole situation...

00:26:56.000 I actually think that by inviting in cultures that are outside of America that are not integrated, you are actually displacing the screeches and the Urkels of the world. 1.00

00:27:06.000 And that's what's causing so much chaos, depression amongst young men and women, high school women, because they don't really have a place.

00:27:18.000 And that's the whole point.

00:27:19.000 And I actually think Nicole Shanahan's tweet that I think you retweeted, Jack, was so pertinent, which is like, hey, we should be really kicking the tires on Americans first who can do these jobs that can go into the STEM categories here.

00:27:34.000 Should we not have the conversation about how many Americans we've displaced from high school and college that could be great engineers that now are not?

00:27:44.000 And then think about the societal effects, and I was saying this, and I won't be as cavalier about saying where I think that this has led to, but I think, I'll just say straight up, I think part of the reason why we see so many trans kids and furries in high school and people who are socially displaced now from those friend groups, think about it, in that very Saved by the Bell friend group, if all of a sudden you no longer have a screech that has a place in that friend group. 0.54

00:28:10.000 Right?

00:28:11.000 Because you have people who are from various cultures that are now taking those spots because Screech's entire identity was becoming valedictory. 0.95

00:28:19.000 Screech's entire identity was being good at school and being the nerd and doing all those things.

00:28:25.000 That's really problematic from a cultural aspect When you talk about, yeah, we want to return to that.

00:28:30.000 And to go back to Charlie's point, the Gen Xers want to go back to that. 0.79

00:28:34.000 The Gen Xers want to think about high school from Fast Times at Ridgemont High to through the time period of Saved by the Bell. 0.78

00:28:43.000 That's the American that we want to return to. 1.00

00:28:45.000 to, they want to return to.

00:28:47.000 And part of this is the problem culturally.

00:28:49.000 It's not just the fact that they're taking jobs.

00:28:52.000 They're taking culture that seeps all the way down into the very element.

00:28:58.000 That's what's so hypocritical about this entire thing that I think is kind of-- I don't know.

00:29:02.000 I want to say hypocritical.

00:29:03.000 I don't think it was trying to be hypocritical.

00:29:05.000 I think it's more...

00:29:06.000 Of a curious point to this is that those are Americans.

00:29:10.000 Those are American friend groups that are being destroyed.

00:29:12.000 Those are American lessons and classes and identities that are being destroyed in this process.

00:29:19.000 And it should be looked at.

00:29:20.000 I would go so far as to throw out that if you look...

00:29:26.000 I'll even say, I don't think this is how Vivek meant it, but I will say that the problem with it is that it falls also, or I should say not the problem with it, but the reason that it made people so upset Is that this falls into the exact same types of woke arguments that you hear as anti-white culture,

00:29:45.000 that they will say, oh, you know, the the toxic white males fighting over a, you know, the cheerleader and the the white student who goes on to become the valedictorian, like with Screech or, you know, and all the rest of it.

00:30:03.000 You know, this is like Quote, unquote, what Joy Reid would call white America and say, oh, we're against all of this.

00:30:10.000 And it's like, guys, this is just the type of stuff that we're trying to get back to in a place where, by the way, Saved by the Bell does, if you look at it, as it turns out, have a fairly diverse cast, certainly for the early 90s, but also nobody cares.

00:30:24.000 There's no sit-down episodes where we're going to be like, what is the ethnic background of A.C. Slater?

00:30:30.000 Is Lisa Turtle, where are her parents from?

00:30:33.000 Nobody cares.

00:30:34.000 It's just everybody going through high school and being normal kids and going through it.

00:30:39.000 You know, Charlie, you talk about this with your high school all the time.

00:30:41.000 It's like, yeah, you can have that stuff, but you don't need to make it your entire identity.

00:30:47.000 That's what everyone in society does now, and it's destroying everything.

00:30:51.000 And that's why the tweet comes across as anti-white culture, too.

00:30:56.000 I got it wrong, by the way.

00:30:57.000 It's Laura from Family Matters, not Lisa.

00:30:59.000 We have Laura and Lisa.

00:31:00.000 So, Jack, this only begs, this then kind of goes into three or four different directions.

00:31:09.000 This tweet was only one piece of a larger mosaic of chaos.

00:31:12.000 What else was going on around this discussion, and where are we as of right now?

00:31:17.000 Yeah, so I mean, yeah, funny about it.

00:31:20.000 It's like, Jack, do you plan to have a do a podcast with Charlie about Saved by the Bell over Christmas break?

00:31:25.000 And it's like, no, but here we are.

00:31:29.000 This is really all about the H1B situation.

00:31:32.000 And that early on, people were saying that and I guess there was this guy who was appointed to some AI position, which isn't even like a real position.

00:31:41.000 It's like an advisor thing.

00:31:42.000 But people found comments of him saying there should be no cap on H1Bs.

00:31:46.000 And that's what really pushed a lot of the MAGA base into high overdrive to say, wait a minute, President Trump campaigned in 2016 on ending the H-1B immigration system because number one, it's not high-skilled immigration.

00:32:03.000 That's a lie.

00:32:04.000 And number two, it's not immigration at all.

00:32:06.000 It's this weird like indentured servitude kind of system.

00:32:09.000 And what I think got a lot of people really riled up is the fact that Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy and sort of the tech bros, if you want to put it that way, they were throwing down hard saying, you don't know what we're talking about.

00:32:25.000 You don't know what this is all about.

00:32:26.000 This is about the best and the brightest.

00:32:29.000 Elon has said over and over, we're going to lose.

00:32:31.000 We're going to lose to China if we don't do this, which it's interesting because, of course, China, as anyone knows, does not import It's just

00:33:02.000 the best and brightest.

00:33:04.000 You know, the Einsteins.

00:33:05.000 It's, you know, just the, you know, the Von Braun's and Operation Paperclip has been talked about.

00:33:11.000 And it's like, nobody's talking about that.

00:33:13.000 And so, you know, Elon has posted another tweet saying, maybe this is a helpful clarification.

00:33:19.000 I'm referring to bringing in, by legal immigration, the top 0.1% of engineering talent, which is like a huge difference from what Everyone was talking about it first, because when you're talking about people that are at that level, we already have a visa category for them, and that's called the O visa.

00:33:39.000 So Raheem Kassam, by the way, is here on an O visa.

00:33:43.000 And that's something where, yes, you do have to work for it.

00:33:45.000 You have to show accomplishment.

00:33:46.000 You have to show that you have received awards, membership in organizations, things like that.

00:33:51.000 Look, there's abuse in the O system as well.

00:33:53.000 But it's way, way different than this just flood of jobs that keeps the middle class out of these STEM fields and out of the tech sector and biotech as well.

00:34:04.000 like h1b is and there's a slew of other issues here it's you know h2b there's j1 there's all sorts of things we can talk about but the reason that this one has come up is because h1b It is a program that a lot of these tech firms really do rely on because it brings in the cheap labor.

00:34:21.000 Well, and Charlie...

00:34:22.000 And another thing...

00:34:23.000 And I'll just say this while on this topic.

00:34:26.000 Hold it just for just one second.

00:34:28.000 Blake, here in Arizona, we have a company.

00:34:30.000 I'm not going to say the company's name.

00:34:31.000 It's a big company that brings in a lot of...

00:34:35.000 I know, but I'm not going to say it.

00:34:36.000 Yeah, I just don't want to get in trouble and have to deal with people.

00:34:39.000 But like...

00:34:40.000 But there's a company that has basically run roughshod over, this is part of the reason why Arizona's in the place where it's in today.

00:34:47.000 And that's not because of the foreigners that are voting in our elections, although it is very clear that some municipalities are allowing foreigners to vote in our elections, but they have completely dismantled the culture of this given big city, large city in Arizona. 0.99

00:35:05.000 Because they've brought in a ton of families.

00:35:07.000 And this goes back to the cultural elements of it.

00:35:09.000 So we no longer have, for example, there's unsustainable little league teams in certain areas because this culture has now invaded these neighborhoods, right?

00:35:22.000 So you're talking about actual, you now have schools that are completely turned upside down because it changes the dynamics of the entire neighborhood and area.

00:35:31.000 You now have different stores and shops.

00:35:34.000 I'm not going to say anything.

00:35:35.000 That go into different...

00:35:36.000 And again, I'm not saying that there's not big cities.

00:35:39.000 Arizona, Phoenix is a big city, so you're going to have different cultural pockets for sure.

00:35:43.000 But we're talking about a one entity, one corporation that's a big multinational corporation has completely turned...

00:35:52.000 Upside down, the culture of this one city in basically the span of a decade.

00:35:58.000 And this impacts politics.

00:36:00.000 So now the politics of the entire city are different because people don't have homes.

00:36:04.000 So now it's less conservative.

00:36:06.000 You now have other companies that have come in, like 10 or 15 other companies that go back to Jack's point here with H-1B visas, where they're flooding Yeah.

00:36:19.000 jobs from international folks that are coming in that they're saying that we just need we don't have enough it's like arizona state's the largest university in america you don't have enough people that you can hire give me a break this is the the outcome that happens and it completely changes the dynamics of your entire community so so blake let me ask you this and we only have about 20 minutes Before I do, let me, and I'm cool staying on this one topic, guys, because it's so rich.

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00:37:18.000 Blake, you and I both are friends with some of these tech bros, of which are very good people.

00:37:23.000 Can you explain to our audience, though, that their insistence on the H-1B, how passionate they are for it, and what is behind that?

00:37:33.000 Well, so part of it is, I think there's different universes of H-1B, and you think about where they come from in tech. 0.93

00:37:44.000 I mean, some of these guys are very wealthy.

00:37:46.000 They're a part of a literal global elite.

00:37:48.000 And I think once you get high up enough into that sphere, you are a little detached from the life ordinary people live.

00:37:57.000 Elon Musk, super talented person, has built some enormously successful things.

00:38:03.000 But if you get down into the brass tacks of it, You could say Elon Musk is almost homeless.

00:38:10.000 Does he even have a community that he lives in where he would have to reckon with the practical implications of extremely high levels of immigration from any place to it?

00:38:21.000 Elon Musk is a guy where he gets fed up with California and he'll just leave and he'll go to Texas and then he can go anywhere else he wants.

00:38:28.000 He can basically be a true nomad.

00:38:31.000 But And ordinary people aren't like that.

00:38:35.000 And also just a lot of H-1B isn't like that.

00:38:38.000 I've seen some interesting numbers.

00:38:40.000 Like if you look at it, there's H-1Bs that are for US tech companies like Google, Facebook, Oracle.

00:38:48.000 But then you can also look at what are the other companies that are getting it.

00:38:52.000 We've had, if you look at H-1B sponsors from 2013 to 2023, and you look at everywhere outside California, the number one sponsor is Infosys.

00:39:04.000 They have almost 36,000 approved H-1B visas.

00:39:08.000 What is Infosys?

00:39:10.000 Infosys is not SpaceX.

00:39:12.000 It's not Tesla.

00:39:14.000 It's not some advanced, cutting-edge medical research firm.

00:39:19.000 It's an IT company.

00:39:21.000 Infosys is an IT company, and they're based in India while we're at it.

00:39:24.000 And they've had 36,000 H-1B visas approved for the US. And I believe a majority of their overall employees in the US are just Indian H-1B visas.

00:39:35.000 So do we really not have the ability to fill IT jobs in the US? And even if the H-1B people are slightly better at IT, is it desirable to fill all of these jobs with H-1Bs? 0.86

00:39:50.000 And I don't think there's much public discussion of this, but this is what people are seeing when They get set off by this, oh, we need more H-1Bs and all of them should specifically come from India.

00:40:02.000 They've seen these operations where an entire company's department is actually just staffed with people from another country.

00:40:10.000 And people are like, why do we need to staff any company, any department of a company with people who are not from here?

00:40:18.000 And it's driven people up the wall.

00:40:21.000 And I think if you're maybe Elon Musk, if you're Or if you're Jeff Bezos, or if you're at one of these truly extremely cutting-edge companies, they might be thinking in terms of who I hired for my genuinely cutting-edge company, and they would assume I'm hiring the top handful, because they probably are hiring the top handful in their case.

00:40:41.000 But this is a system that's led in hundreds of thousands of people, and most of them are not the absolute cutting edge.

00:40:47.000 Most of them are rank-and-file employees in a major sector of the US economy, where our priority should be.

00:40:54.000 We think that that sector of the US economy should primarily benefit Blake, is there enough brainpower to be able to staff our AI Manhattan Project domestically without having to go to foreign workers?

00:41:08.000 Because they say no.

00:41:09.000 The tech bros say there's not enough American brainpower.

00:41:12.000 Well, like I said, I think you could unleash a lot of America's brainpower if you got rid of the stuff we actively do to sabotage us.

00:41:20.000 We borderline use the DOJ and its civil rights division to make it illegal to focus entirely on merit in America.

00:41:29.000 We actively egg on our companies and our schools and our government to not hire based on merit.

00:41:36.000 We encourage them to have de facto, not public, but de facto quota systems based on race, based on sex, based on who knows what.

00:41:46.000 I mean, we literally had the Department of Justice sued SpaceX for not hiring enough refugees, even though as a military contractor, They're really not supposed to hire non-U.S. citizens in the first place, but they're getting sued for not having enough refugees at SpaceX.

00:42:05.000 Can I add, hold that thought, because it's not just the meritocracy of who they let in, but it's the meritocracy system that is our de facto college system, which is run like a socialist nightmare.

00:42:20.000 Where they're incentivized to actually pump more useless degrees into the program instead of creating an americratic system around...

00:42:32.000 Yeah, Tyler, you're on the regent system.

00:42:34.000 Explain how that works, international students.

00:42:36.000 I want Blake to keep going on his thing, but I just wanted to add in to interject.

00:42:39.000 It's also the fact that we don't prioritize even our engineering degrees.

00:42:44.000 We say, oh, you know what?

00:42:46.000 Oh, let's create more social democracy-focused degree patterns because that way you get more money from the federal government because you have more students.

00:42:58.000 So ASU is a great example of this, and I would love to have Michael Crow who has done this.

00:43:04.000 Come on the show.

00:43:05.000 It's like, in a real world, what you would do is you would set this aside and say, Our business degrees, our really great business school, the degree's worth more, so we're going to charge a little bit more, and we're going to give them the best resources that they possibly could have.

00:43:19.000 Instead, what we have is all the degrees are all the same cost.

00:43:22.000 So tuition's all the same, whether or not you go get an underwater basket weaving degree that we always use as the example.

00:43:29.000 North African lesbian poetry.

00:43:31.000 North African lesbian poetry.

00:43:32.000 Or if you go get a degree in engineering or applied biosciences or whatever else it may be.

00:43:40.000 In fact, oftentimes they'll actually, to your point, Blake, is they'll take the less capable person because of those quota systems into those systems.

00:43:51.000 So it's a completely backwards operation that they have at the universities in America.

00:43:55.000 Meanwhile, China's killing children that don't fit into their...

00:44:00.000 Russia, this is what Russia was known for in the USSR. They would force you your entire life to learn one skill, and if you weren't good, they would just send you away and you'd never be seen again in Siberia.

00:44:15.000 Blake, wrap it up here as we're running out of time.

00:44:18.000 Yeah, so to circle back, if you want America to get the most out of its people, we should encourage our companies to get the most out of Americans.

00:44:28.000 It's almost like we've created a system where we tell companies it's basically illegal to focus on merit.

00:44:35.000 But if you come out and say...

00:44:36.000 We just can't find anyone in the U.S. who can do this, and we have to go abroad.

00:44:42.000 Then we'll let you do it, almost because the powers that be are so pro-great replacement, so pro-immigration, that then we'll let you do it.

00:44:49.000 Okay, we'll let you hire who you want to hire, as long as they're not American, because then we can say it's for diversity or what have you. 0.90

00:44:56.000 And that's how we'll do it.

00:44:58.000 We're creating a sixth system where we almost incentivize finding foreigners to do a job. 0.97

00:45:04.000 And if we were just to say, we should have a meritocratic revolution in America, throw out the HR parasites, throw out the DEI parasites, throw out that whole apparatus and say, you're allowed to hire who you want to do the things you want to do, and you don't have some BS quota to hit.

00:45:23.000 I think you will suddenly find there is a huge amount of talent in America to go and tap.

00:45:30.000 We went to the moon on a bunch of guys who went to Iowa State University to study aeronautics.

00:45:36.000 All of our early astronauts were just these random dudes from Ohio.

00:45:41.000 A lot of those dudes still exist, and it's probably our most underexploited group of talented people.

00:45:48.000 And to simply say that American culture is so rotten that that can't exist, I think is demented.

00:45:54.000 I think we've done a lot of damage to America's culture with what liberals have done, but I think there's a lot we can draw on to revive that.

00:46:02.000 And I don't think the solution is just this...

00:46:05.000 I think Bill Kristol said this, where American culture is just so bad, we just need to import the people from abroad with better cultures.

00:46:12.000 I think American culture has a pretty great legacy of success that we can draw on to revive our country.

00:46:20.000 Make it great again.

00:46:21.000 Well said.

00:46:22.000 We got a dash.

00:46:22.000 Go Ducks.

00:46:23.000 What do they say?

00:46:24.000 Forks up?

00:46:25.000 Forks up.

00:46:26.000 Horns down.

00:46:27.000 That's going to be fun.

00:46:28.000 Forks up.

00:46:28.000 Horns down.

00:46:29.000 I think it'll be 60-40.

00:46:30.000 I think ASU's going to have a big, big presence there.

00:46:32.000 Don't you think?

00:46:34.000 I hope so.

00:46:35.000 I mean, there's a lot.

00:46:36.000 I mean, I'll just say this.

00:46:37.000 Shout out.

00:46:38.000 I just know and love and want to believe Kenny Dalyham's a great conservative.

00:46:43.000 He's gotta be.

00:46:43.000 I think he's a winger.

00:46:44.000 He's gotta be.

00:46:45.000 He's gotta be.

00:46:46.000 And he's an incredible...

00:46:48.000 That guy is an enigma.

00:46:51.000 And we need more of that in college football.

00:46:52.000 He's okay.

00:46:53.000 He's fine.

00:46:53.000 He left Oregon.

00:46:54.000 But we need that in college football.

00:46:56.000 We need more of those type of guys that are just crazy.

00:46:58.000 Anyone that leaves Oregon doesn't succeed, so we'll see.

00:47:00.000 We need crazy people willing to kick on-site kicks before halftime against BYU. It's incredible.

00:47:06.000 Keep committing thought crimes, everybody.

00:47:07.000 Have a wonderful new year.

00:47:08.000 We'll see you guys in the new year.

00:47:09.000 God bless.

00:47:09.000 Talk to you soon.

00:47:10.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:47:11.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - December 28, 2024

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 67 — Saved By The Bell and the H-1B Debate

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