The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 68 — J6 Retrospective? New Year Resolutions? "Gaycations?"

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00:01:11.000 Welcome to Thought Crime Monday?

00:01:14.000 What?

00:01:15.000 It's Monday and we're doing thought crime.

00:01:16.000 That's right.

00:01:17.000 Because of New Year's and Christmas, we missed a couple episodes and we want to make sure we made good on that.

00:01:22.000 And also January the 6th, which is definitely a day where thought crimes must be said.

00:01:27.000 I don't know who I have with me because I can't see the whole lineup.

00:01:30.000 I think we have Jack, Andrew, and Blake.

00:01:32.000 Am I guessing correctly?

00:01:33.000 That's right.

00:01:34.000 Yep.

00:01:35.000 You would be correct, sir.

00:01:36.000 Very good.

00:01:37.000 All right.

00:01:37.000 Who wants to take the first topic?

00:01:40.000 I believe it is January 6th related.

00:01:42.000 Jack, please proceed.

00:01:44.000 Well, you know, what can I say?

00:01:46.000 I mean, I've got the Capitol right behind me over my shoulder.

00:01:49.000 I'm here in Washington, D.C. And if I understand correctly, I am the only one of the four of us who was actually at Capitol Hill on January 6th four years ago today.

00:02:02.000 Is that correct?

00:02:03.000 Yep.

00:02:04.000 Charlie and I were in Phoenix broadcasting live.

00:02:10.000 It's like I got to check with my lawyer.

00:02:14.000 No, I said I was very much not there.

00:02:17.000 I was literally on air in Phoenix.

00:02:20.000 Although, Charlie, you did share some information on your show that I found pretty shocking that you shared.

00:02:30.000 You should share it again.

00:02:31.000 What did I share?

00:02:33.000 What do you mean?

00:02:34.000 The part about the lawyers or the subpoena?

00:02:37.000 Wait, wait, go to the lawyer.

00:02:39.000 Go ahead.

00:02:41.000 No, I said that on the show.

00:02:44.000 No, I mean, it's not a mystery.

00:02:45.000 People know that I was subpoenaed by the January 6th committee and we had a lawyer, but I had to go through 10 different lawyers before the 11th said yes to represent me.

00:02:55.000 That is how, just let's say, how toxic anything surrounding January 6th was.

00:03:04.000 Was that if you were even remotely connected, or not even connected, just in the universe of the discussion, which is where I was.

00:03:11.000 I was in Phoenix.

00:03:11.000 I was broadcasting live.

00:03:13.000 We were calling balls and strikes.

00:03:15.000 We weren't involved.

00:03:17.000 And yet, the lawyers were like, no, we don't want anything to do with that.

00:03:22.000 There are entire law firms that will go out of their way to represent terrorist bombers, to represent the worst people in society.

00:03:29.000 But we just remember back to where we were four years ago.

00:03:32.000 It looked as if this was the death sentence of the modern conservative nationalist populist movement.

00:03:39.000 And four years later, it looks like it's the exact opposite.

00:03:42.000 It looks like we are entering an American renaissance, that we have more momentum, that we have more power.

00:03:48.000 We control the House, the Senate, and the presidency.

00:03:50.000 Popular opinion.

00:03:52.000 It's remarkable to witness and see.

00:03:54.000 So, thoughts, guys, and kind of your lessons over these last four years.

00:03:58.000 Wait, wait, I just gotta say, I gotta say, so I have, um, cause I'm me, I read everyone's, um, January 6th testimony that was released publicly and I definitely gave an extra effort to read anyone that I'm friends with.

00:04:14.000 So one of my personal favorites was Charlie's January 6th testimony because he didn't answer any questions.

00:04:22.000 He didn't even answer his birthday.

00:04:27.000 Read it.

00:04:28.000 Jack, go find a testimony and read it.

00:04:31.000 I should actually pull that off.

00:04:32.000 Yeah, let me see if I can.

00:04:33.000 We should have grabbed it before.

00:04:34.000 It's so funny because I remember this.

00:04:37.000 On the advice of counsel, I will not be answering this question.

00:04:40.000 This went super viral.

00:04:42.000 It went so viral.

00:04:44.000 It was so funny.

00:04:44.000 You refused to even give your birthday.

00:04:47.000 They're like, sir, if we could just confirm you're the actual Charlie Kirk.

00:04:50.000 And you're like, no.

00:04:53.000 No, I didn't say no.

00:04:54.000 I did not say no.

00:04:57.000 Thank you, Mr. Kirk.

00:04:59.000 For the record, I had great attorneys.

00:05:02.000 I had great attorneys.

00:05:04.000 Jeff Neiman and Josh Levy were great attorneys.

00:05:06.000 And they said, and they prepped me, they said, only answer your name and nothing else.

00:05:11.000 Because we were invoking our Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination.

00:05:15.000 And I said, okay, just to be clear, nothing else.

00:05:19.000 And they said, yes.

00:05:20.000 I said, OK, so nothing else.

00:05:21.000 They said, yes.

00:05:22.000 OK, so we're in there.

00:05:23.000 And so I said my name.

00:05:25.000 And then Jack, read the rest.

00:05:26.000 Wait, here it is.

00:05:26.000 OK, no, wait.

00:05:27.000 No, you did also.

00:05:28.000 Hold on.

00:05:29.000 There was one other piece.

00:05:31.000 I live currently in Scotts.

00:05:33.000 So you did say Arizona.

00:05:34.000 They said South Scala, Arizona.

00:05:36.000 All right.

00:05:36.000 What highest level of education?

00:05:38.000 Fifth Amendment.

00:05:39.000 Are you the founder and executive director of Turning Point USA? Fifth Amendment.

00:05:43.000 Are you found on Turning Point Action?

00:05:44.000 Fifth Amendment.

00:05:46.000 Mr. Kirk, you could just say Fifth Amendment.

00:05:48.000 Okay.

00:05:49.000 Do you see the documents on the screen?

00:05:51.000 Yes, I can.

00:05:52.000 Okay, this is a subpoena, etc., etc., etc.

00:05:54.000 These are some text messages.

00:05:56.000 Are you correct?

00:05:57.000 Fifth Amendment.

00:05:58.000 Fifth Amendment.

00:06:01.000 It's like 28 pages of this.

00:06:04.000 What I love is you'll hear people say, like, why do they not do this more often?

00:06:10.000 And it'll always just be a lame thing.

00:06:12.000 It's like, well, you can't.

00:06:13.000 You can't do that to everything.

00:06:14.000 It'll make you look bad.

00:06:17.000 And Charlie's just like, wait, no.

00:06:18.000 This is the Fifth Amendment right.

00:06:20.000 They can't make me say anything.

00:06:21.000 Here it is, right here, right here, page 7. Mr. Kirk, how old are you?

00:06:25.000 On advice of counsel, I'm invoking my Fifth Amendment right.

00:06:31.000 Charlie's a good student.

00:06:33.000 Yeah, he took the instructions well.

00:06:35.000 Now, Charlie, can you reveal...

00:06:37.000 He understood the assignment.

00:06:39.000 Yeah, Charlie, can you reveal which members were in attendance that day when you were doing the testimony?

00:06:44.000 Are you able to?

00:06:46.000 Yeah, there was only one member of the committee that showed up.

00:06:49.000 So it was mostly staff, and then at the end, Adam Kinzinger showed up.

00:06:53.000 Towards the latter end of our Zoom call.

00:06:55.000 Oh, yeah, that's in here.

00:06:56.000 It was a Zoom call.

00:06:58.000 Man.

00:06:59.000 And he did not ask any questions.

00:07:02.000 Yeah, correct.

00:07:04.000 Adam Kinzinger did not ask any questions.

00:07:06.000 I'm searching and invoking my fifth is used 65 times in this document in 28 pages.

00:07:14.000 Amazing.

00:07:15.000 Wow.

00:07:17.000 65. There's got to be some symbolism.

00:07:18.000 It was even worse than that, as you say, because I was saying the entire time.

00:07:25.000 Because they told me my instructions and I was not messing around, right?

00:07:28.000 Like, okay.

00:07:28.000 How old are you?

00:07:29.000 And I would read on the piece of paper.

00:07:32.000 No, no, no.

00:07:32.000 I didn't say, I said, I invoke my constitutional right.

00:07:35.000 And like, so then they eventually would say, you could just say Fifth Amendment.

00:07:38.000 I was like, okay, got it.

00:07:39.000 So.

00:07:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:43.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:07:43.000 I just start like, on the advice of counsel.

00:07:46.000 I got nothing else to say.

00:07:49.000 But no, I mean, look, that was a very expensive, very trying thing unnecessarily, right?

00:07:56.000 And because, look, I mean, Steve Bannon went to prison by this very same committee.

00:07:59.000 Peter Navarro went to prison from this very same committee.

00:08:02.000 I mean, it was, you know, serious stuff.

00:08:04.000 And so, but just going through that whole process, it definitely, I'll speak, I can speak candidly about this part.

00:08:12.000 There's nothing to talk about, but I'll just let the testimony speak for itself.

00:08:16.000 Which is, my testimony will tell the whole story.

00:08:21.000 Is this, look, and I think it's very clear that this hardened me in a way where I knew we had to win or else this country was going off a lawfare cliff, the likes of which we would not survive.

00:08:32.000 The likes of which that would completely obliterate this nation and destroy this country.

00:08:39.000 And so...

00:08:40.000 It made me want to work harder, hire more ballot chasers, and eventually play a small role in the greatest political comeback in history.

00:08:46.000 Hey, look, this was summer of 2022, by the way.

00:08:49.000 If you look at the...

00:08:52.000 The date on it, May 24th, 2022. So, I mean, this was way before the midterms had even happened.

00:09:01.000 This was before anyone had announced.

00:09:03.000 No, I think he had announced he was running by this point.

00:09:07.000 I think he did that in February of 22, unless I'm wrong.

00:09:10.000 Or no, excuse me.

00:09:10.000 No, he hadn't announced yet.

00:09:11.000 That was February of 23. No, blame my last.

00:09:14.000 And so yeah, President Trump hadn't even announced he was running yet.

00:09:17.000 This was like a pretty low point for MAGA. And here's Charlie just like, I'm gonna go to bat.

00:09:23.000 Like, nope, no.

00:09:25.000 Just like, absolutely not.

00:09:26.000 Boom, out of the park.

00:09:28.000 Boom, out of the park.

00:09:29.000 Fifth Amendment.

00:09:30.000 Would you like to throw this?

00:09:31.000 Because, Charlie, what they're trying to get you to do, and I know you know this, what they're trying to get you to do is throw people under the bus.

00:09:36.000 They're saying, throw this person under the bus.

00:09:38.000 Throw that person under the bus. 0.81

00:09:40.000 You know, we'll let you back in.

00:09:42.000 We'll let you go back to the old, you know, 2005 George W. Bush-style Republican.

00:09:47.000 If you just throw these people under the bus, just give us what we want and end the pain.

00:09:52.000 We'll stop.

00:09:53.000 And you didn't do it, man.

00:09:54.000 You just straight up didn't do it.

00:09:55.000 I love the phrasing here.

00:09:57.000 I love the phrasing.

00:09:58.000 I'll tell you, Mr. Kirk, if you wish to shorten your response to invoke the Fifth Amendment to something that is not as wordy as that, to save us some time, I'm fine with that.

00:10:10.000 But, like, this is the big scandal here, and Charlie hit the nail on the head.

00:10:15.000 The fact that he had to go through 10...

00:10:18.000 Attorneys.

00:10:19.000 I mean, this is not, Charlie Kirk is not some Joe Schmo.

00:10:22.000 This is, this is Charlie Kirk.

00:10:24.000 He's a very, like, people would be crawling over broken glass to represent you.

00:10:29.000 Well, I don't know about that, but I will say this, though, that it's not just like you call them up.

00:10:34.000 You have to do an introductory call for all of them, and they're 45 minutes to an hour in length.

00:10:41.000 Because they want to find out, you know, what you are.

00:10:44.000 It wasn't just like, okay, they said, oh, well, you know, let's do an introductory call.

00:10:49.000 All the facts.

00:10:49.000 They ask questions.

00:10:50.000 Then they come back afterwards and reject you.

00:10:53.000 And so you have to keep doing this.

00:10:55.000 And so finally, after like the eighth one, I was like, can you just tell me, is this going to, can you just run a conflict check?

00:11:01.000 Do you have a policy?

00:11:02.000 And finally, one of the lawyers was like, yeah, that's not going to work.

00:11:04.000 Great, you saved me a whole hour.

00:11:06.000 And finally, by the 11th, a lawyer in Florida who's awesome, Jeff Neiman.

00:11:11.000 Who just was like so prepared and was like, yep, he's like, I fight the government for a living.

00:11:15.000 And Andrew, I think you met him.

00:11:17.000 Great guy.

00:11:17.000 Really solid.

00:11:18.000 Multiple times.

00:11:19.000 Yeah, multiple times.

00:11:21.000 Yeah, really smart guy.

00:11:22.000 Really, really smart guy.

00:11:24.000 Super smart.

00:11:25.000 Yeah, so smart.

00:11:26.000 And also just kind of no nonsense.

00:11:28.000 Didn't even care about any of that stuff.

00:11:30.000 Was just like, listen, we're...

00:11:32.000 You know, you did nothing wrong.

00:11:33.000 You know, we're going to make sure you get through this.

00:11:35.000 It was really comforting, actually, to meet with him and hear the way he does business.

00:11:40.000 So if anybody finds themselves in that spot, by all means, give Jeff a call.

00:11:44.000 But, I mean, the fact you had to go through that in the first place.

00:11:47.000 I mean, talk about what Jack was saying, a real low point.

00:11:50.000 And, I mean, we had Timothy Hale on the show.

00:11:55.000 It's like this solitary confinement for 14 months.

00:12:00.000 What you went through was terrible, but it was nothing compared to what so many...

00:12:05.000 Normal American patriots had to experience as a result of...

00:12:10.000 It wasn't just a low point for MAGA. It was a low point for the country.

00:12:13.000 And the fact that we still have people like Sonny Hostin or Hostin and even now Hakeem Jeffries invoking Pearl Harbor from inside the Capitol after a cringy moment of silence with Chuck Schumer inside the Capitol saying that this was a day that will live in infamy.

00:12:31.000 Doing this...

00:12:31.000 This is not clips from four years ago.

00:12:34.000 This is not...

00:12:34.000 This is not a clip, as you said, on Twitter, Charlie, from four months ago.

00:12:37.000 This is a clip today.

00:12:38.000 We're still dealing with this stuff that these people are so deranged that they thought it was worthwhile dragging half the country through the mud, calling everybody fascists and Nazis and all of these terrible things.

00:12:51.000 And for what?

00:12:54.000 Get some weird virtue signal out of it for political gains.

00:12:57.000 Destroy the country to rule over a pile of ash.

00:13:01.000 So I think it's a pretty fascinating story what you went through, Charlie.

00:13:05.000 And obviously to remember that we actually had it pretty easy compared to so many.

00:13:10.000 Well, yeah.

00:13:10.000 So Jack's here.

00:13:11.000 Jack was actually at the Capitol.

00:13:13.000 And I wasn't.

00:13:14.000 I had to go through that whole rigmarole.

00:13:15.000 Again, I'm not saying I didn't do anything wrong.

00:13:17.000 Jack didn't do anything wrong.

00:13:18.000 I'm just saying it was just ridiculous that the whole thing had to occur.

00:13:21.000 But let me ask you guys and Blake.

00:13:24.000 I want to get your thoughts.

00:13:25.000 What do you attribute our ability to kind of climb out of the ditch?

00:13:29.000 Was it the metaphorical, our back was against the wall and we had no choice but to fight?

00:13:34.000 Walk us through it, because objectively, it's one of the greatest turnarounds in a four-year period we've ever seen.

00:13:41.000 You know, honestly, a thought that comes to mind is, I think it helped a lot that 2020 had happened just before this.

00:13:50.000 I've been talking with some friends.

00:13:51.000 Why does it seem like things have shifted so much from just a few years ago?

00:13:55.000 What happened?

00:13:57.000 Was it just that Elon Musk bought Twitter, all that?

00:14:00.000 And I said, I think a big factor is...

00:14:03.000 That 2020 took place.

00:14:05.000 Because in 2020, we had COVID and we had the whole George Floyd thing.

00:14:09.000 And the regime, the elites, whatever term you want to use for sort of the people who set policy and set the agenda, they went basically all in on lockdowns and that you couldn't say COVID was Chinese and that was a conspiracy theory.

00:14:24.000 And they also went all in on the racial reckoning attack.

00:14:29.000 And what they did by doing those both at the same time in such a massively dramatic and traumatic way is they staked a ton of their credibility on something that very quickly and obviously turned out to be wrong and bad.

00:14:43.000 And that, when they followed it up right after 2020 in January 6th with, oh, and also this is a domestic insurrection and we need more sweeping powers to do all of these things.

00:14:57.000 They had just staked so much of the reputation on something, and it blew up.

00:15:02.000 And also, thanks to COVID, that's really what created the impetus for building so many more alternative institutions for communicating with people.

00:15:12.000 That's what helped Rumble get off the ground, for example.

00:15:15.000 And within a few years, Rumble was a thriving ecosystem.

00:15:19.000 And it also, I think, the...

00:15:23.000 Excesses of 2020, I think, are what also prompted Elon Musk to say, I'm going to buy Twitter.

00:15:28.000 And obviously, him liberating Twitter in 2022, as he did, paved the way for so much of what we've been able to accomplish over the past two years.

00:15:35.000 So I think it's really, throughout, it was the hubris and the excess of those in power that drove a lot of what happened.

00:15:44.000 It's kind of like I was saying, I don't think...

00:15:47.000 He still probably would have pulled it off, but I sometimes wonder, would Donald Trump have faded away if they had just let it alone?

00:15:54.000 If they'd said, we're going to stop talking about him, he's banned from everything, and just never report on him.

00:15:59.000 CNN doesn't cover him.

00:16:00.000 New York Times doesn't talk about him.

00:16:02.000 We don't charge him.

00:16:03.000 Just let him go away.

00:16:03.000 And instead, they said, no, we have to throw Donald Trump in prison.

00:16:07.000 We have to charge him.

00:16:08.000 We have to raid Mar-a-Lago.

00:16:10.000 And it was when they did that.

00:16:11.000 It was when they did that.

00:16:11.000 It was when they raided Mar-a-Lago and dropped those charges that it made the Republican primary a total formality and it was over.

00:16:18.000 And they did that to themselves.

00:16:20.000 We could not make them do that.

00:16:22.000 They had to do it themselves.

00:16:24.000 And they did, and that really got everyone bonded together, and it laid out clearly what the stakes were, and I think it played a central role in us getting where we are today.

00:16:38.000 And that was August, so Charlie's testimony was before...

00:16:44.000 I guess at the beginning of the summer of 22 and then this was towards the end of the summer of 22. So yeah, Charlie, your testimony was even before the Mar-a-Lago raid, which was, again, I mean, this was just a time where a lot of people were saying, hey, let's get on the DeSantis train and let's forget about Trump and Trumpism without Trump.

00:17:03.000 That was a whole big thing.

00:17:05.000 And, you know, Charlie easily could have walked in there and, you know, maybe life would have been a lot easier to simply go in there and say, well, you know, I mean, you know, Don Jr. said to do this and I was on the phone with the president and I said that and whatever, whatever, you know, but he didn't take the easy road.

00:17:22.000 I don't think any of us took the easy road.

00:17:24.000 And, you know, it was at a time where it was seemingly wide open, but you know what they say about the wide gate and the narrow path.

00:17:33.000 I think we all remember that.

00:17:34.000 Well, I mean, I want the audience to appreciate just the stakes that not only the country was up against, but from a personal level, I mean, this is no joke, and Charlie, you know, feel free to chime in here as much as you want.

00:17:49.000 We were actively discussing what happens if we lose and how to protect ourselves, because we were just assuming that, you know, the suits were going to come in and...

00:18:00.000 Raid us.

00:18:01.000 They were going to get us.

00:18:04.000 And to live in that kind of reality, with that actually being a plausible reality, knowing that you didn't...

00:18:13.000 You're exercising your free speech and activating people on the ground.

00:18:18.000 You're trying to do everything by the stinking book, as close as you possibly can, double, triple, quadruple checking, everything, even holding yourself to a standard that's above what the law even states because you know that if you trip up, even a little bit of paperwork error could land you in the gulag.

00:18:34.000 I mean, this is how much scrutiny everything that we touched, everything that we put out, everything that we were doing behind the scenes had to go through.

00:18:44.000 And it was simply because of what happened after J6 and what they did to squash political dissent.

00:18:51.000 And, I mean, there was a few names, I'm sure, on that list that they had.

00:18:54.000 I know there was a file that was huge on Charlie inside the committee.

00:18:59.000 We heard about it from friends.

00:19:01.000 But, I mean, there was very few names that were higher on that list.

00:19:05.000 And so to have to live with that as a reality, and I think back, Charlie, to election night.

00:19:11.000 You know, we're all stunned after Pennsylvania gets called.

00:19:14.000 And this just well of emotion, I think the wave just swept over all of us, you included.

00:19:21.000 And that's why that video went so viral.

00:19:23.000 I think we were all just so grateful that this country had been saved from these people that would do that to their fellow citizens.

00:19:31.000 That's right.

00:19:32.000 And look, I mean, I just I'd lived a little bit of it compared to the January 6th or I mean, not even close.

00:19:37.000 I mean, these guys went through absolute hell and people that literally were, you know, is the government going to come after me?

00:19:43.000 Is the government going to raid my house?

00:19:45.000 And I mean, the only comforting thing is that as soon as Congress was reaching out to us, that there was a pretty good understanding once we started.

00:19:54.000 You know, setting up the discussion that the FBI probably was not going to come sweeping.

00:19:59.000 But they could have, right?

00:20:00.000 I mean, any time.

00:20:01.000 But it was kind of a different track.

00:20:05.000 But, you know, there was this concern that first month, those first couple of months after January 6th, it was like open season where we were worried that they were just going to go after anybody that had any sort of remote connection.

00:20:22.000 And not that there was anything that would be found, but just the public embarrassment and they coming through your office and grabbing your devices and just would have been even more trying.

00:20:38.000 So praise God, we are through that.

00:20:40.000 And it's really just remarkable.

00:20:44.000 We look at the certification vote here on January 6th.

00:20:47.000 Yeah, go ahead, Jack.

00:20:48.000 Before we move on to other topics, we know that there was that reporting over the weekend regarding pardons for the J6ers, looking at somewhere around 1,000. 0.92

00:20:59.000 I think that came out in Bloomberg.

00:21:01.000 We know, I think there's 1,000-plus defendants or convicted J6ers as it sits. 1.00

00:21:08.000 Do we think that that makes sense?

00:21:11.000 Do we think that it makes sense to do all that day one?

00:21:13.000 Of course, that's what he campaigned on.

00:21:14.000 on.

00:21:14.000 He really made this central to the campaign in general.

00:21:18.000 But when it comes down to it, do you think it's going to be more of this blanket idea or is it going to be more of like, you know, sort of a pick and choose kind of thing?

00:21:28.000 Not pick and choose, go through, you know, excuse me, categorize, I said that wrong, you know, kind of put them into different buckets and say, OK, these will be day one.

00:21:37.000 These will go to a review process.

00:21:39.000 These will go, you know, in one section here and there.

00:21:42.000 So I'm not exactly sure how to answer that.

00:21:45.000 Andrew, what do you think?

00:21:47.000 Yeah, I think there is going to be, the ones that are clear-cut cases, I think are going to be day one.

00:21:53.000 I think there's going to be some that received really, really harsh sentences for the trespass, meaning that they might have been guilty of something all of us on this show right now would say.

00:22:06.000 You know, hey, that was a crime.

00:22:08.000 You shouldn't have vandalized that equipment.

00:22:11.000 You shouldn't have punched that police out.

00:22:12.000 Whatever it is, I don't know.

00:22:14.000 I'm not even, you know, suggesting certain people did certain things and didn't, okay?

00:22:18.000 But if you did something where you hit a cop or if you vandalized something, and I'm not just talking about walking through the Capitol rotunda.

00:22:26.000 I'm saying if you did something we would all agree of common sense, maybe you get that sentence commuted if you've already served your time.

00:22:33.000 That might be a different review process.

00:22:35.000 I would think there would be very, very few instances where the sentencing would be upheld.

00:22:43.000 And I'm not speaking on behalf of the administration here, but I'm even talking about the Proud Boys and things like that, where they got...

00:22:50.000 Jack, you probably know the sentencing more specifically, but it was like 20-something years for a seditious conspiracy for the Proud Boys.

00:22:55.000 20 years, yeah.

00:23:06.000 All I know is that even those cases, I would say even the cases where criminality was found, and maybe some of it could be proven, the hammer came down on these people in such a...

00:23:23.000 I think it was one of the first times this had been used since the Civil War against somebody.

00:23:32.000 And really we have to come back to the fact that these were patriots.

00:23:36.000 Most of the vast, vast, vast, vast majority were patriots that were coming to the Capitol.

00:23:41.000 Begging the country to look at what people thought were fraudulent votes or that were fraudulent practices, whatever, in the 2020 election.

00:23:51.000 That's why people were there.

00:23:52.000 They were not there to overthrow the democracy.

00:23:54.000 They were not there for any of that stuff that the left likes to say.

00:23:57.000 It was not a day that will live in infamy like Pearl Harbor or World War II. This was, I think, a real opportunity to say, hey, we want the states to look at these votes again.

00:24:11.000 Because there's shenanigans going on.

00:24:13.000 And I still feel that way.

00:24:15.000 And I still feel that way, honestly, about some of the voting that happened in 2024. We need to get our elections in line.

00:24:21.000 We need to get election integrity in alignment.

00:24:25.000 And we need to keep addressing it.

00:24:26.000 So to call these patriots seditious conspiracists or whatever, I think is completely out of line.

00:24:33.000 So that's my theory on it.

00:24:35.000 But the vast majority, day one.

00:24:37.000 And then, yeah, there's going to be some review processes on the other ones.

00:24:40.000 Yeah, and look, by the way, to your point, you know, it's been four years.

00:24:44.000 Sorry, did not mean to interrupt.

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00:25:35.000 So, I think we should talk about this thing Blake has been talking about.

00:25:39.000 You know, we used to have this...

00:25:41.000 We used to have this thing that we did on the show We called it Deep Web Reveals, and some of them included explaining things to Charlie Kirk.

00:25:52.000 Folks don't know this, that Charlie really does not use the internet.

00:25:55.000 He kind of goes around, pokes around here and there, but it's just not something that he's ever done, really, in his life.

00:26:02.000 Like the Jonathan Haidt book that came out, The Anxious Mind and the Childhood.

00:26:07.000 It's like, Charlie's not on social media ever.

00:26:09.000 So, Blake, there was something that came up on the Internet on Reddit that was going pretty viral that I thought would be interesting for us to explain here on ThoughtCrime.

00:26:20.000 It's sort of getting back to our old roots on ThoughtCrime here.

00:26:23.000 Exactly.

00:26:24.000 It's Project 2025.

00:26:25.000 We can talk about whatever we want.

00:26:27.000 And what we want to talk about is deranged content discovered on the greatest source of soy on the Internet, which is Reddit.com.

00:26:36.000 So, this was posted.

00:26:39.000 Again, I should clarify, this is not me.

00:26:42.000 This is a post somebody made and compiled on a Reddit page.

00:26:47.000 Are you sure it's not you, Blake?

00:26:48.000 Are you sure?

00:26:49.000 Yes, Charlie.

00:26:49.000 You had to do this preemptive denial.

00:26:51.000 It's kind of weird.

00:26:52.000 Some people are going to be confused and they're going to send me emails and they're going to be like, why did you let Blake say that? 0.70

00:26:58.000 That's disgusting.

00:26:59.000 Anyway, so this went viral a few weeks ago, but it was sent to me the other day by a friend.

00:27:05.000 And this was posted originally as a seeking advice thread on their relationships forum on Reddit.

00:27:13.000 This is a 42-year-old woman with a 42-year-old husband.

00:27:16.000 My husband has informed me he intends to go on a, quote, gaycation with his brother-in-law in Ibiza.

00:27:26.000 That's a fancy island getaway place.

00:27:29.000 How do I handle this?

00:27:31.000 And it's very long.

00:27:32.000 I cannot read the whole thing.

00:27:34.000 But the context is this is a woman in Britain, and her husband approaches her out of nowhere, and he says that...

00:27:42.000 He pulled out a printed poster and started explaining to me, this is the woman saying, the concept of a gaycation.

00:27:49.000 It's where straight men go somewhere with, quote, sun, sand, and booze and become gay for the duration of the trip. 0.95

00:27:57.000 But that's fine because it doesn't actually count because, quote, what happens on the gaycation stays on the gaycation. 0.94

00:28:07.000 And the wife rather reasonably asks, Okay, are you gay? 0.57

00:28:12.000 Because if you are, we need to talk about what that means. 0.63

00:28:15.000 And he says, no.

00:28:16.000 No, he's not.

00:28:17.000 Quote, that's the beauty of the gaycation. 0.98

00:28:20.000 It's temporary.

00:28:21.000 It means nothing.

00:28:22.000 He's actually 100% attracted to women, he says. 0.92

00:28:25.000 But he needs to experience gayness. 1.00

00:28:29.000 And the comparison he makes is, it's like going to an aquarium. 0.88

00:28:35.000 And she says...

00:28:36.000 I would rather you not do this.

00:28:38.000 That sounds disgusting and would ruin our relationship.

00:28:41.000 And why do you need to ever do this?

00:28:43.000 Wait, wait, Blake.

00:28:44.000 Blake, Blake, can we pause?

00:28:45.000 Charlie, can I just get a check-in with you right now?

00:28:48.000 We need a temperature check.

00:28:50.000 We need a temperature check with you, Charlie, as we're like halfway through the explanation of the gaycation. 1.00

00:28:55.000 I think it's a Reddit troll.

00:28:56.000 I don't think this is real.

00:28:59.000 By the way, I'm kind of with you.

00:29:01.000 I think a lot of these are Reddit trolls.

00:29:03.000 And yet, if you look this up...

00:29:05.000 I think it's just like an erotica, weird fantasy writer.

00:29:08.000 I don't think it's real.

00:29:09.000 There's a whole TV series called Gaycation that you can look up.

00:29:13.000 And it is a documentary series hosted by...

00:29:17.000 Wait, Charlie.

00:29:18.000 Charlie, listen to this.

00:29:19.000 No, guess who hosts it?

00:29:20.000 It's on Vice.

00:29:21.000 Wow, Jack, you know a lot about this.

00:29:23.000 I used a magical power called Brave Browser to learn about it.

00:29:28.000 And it's hosted by Elliot Page.

00:29:34.000 Obviously we know that's Ellen Page. 0.98

00:29:37.000 And it's talking about Ellen Page was the actress who went full on. 0.61

00:29:46.000 So does Ellen Page host Gaycations because of the conceit that He is gay now because...

00:29:54.000 Is he still attracted? 0.80

00:29:56.000 So he's just inheriting or just experiencing the gaycation. 1.00

00:30:00.000 No, this is good. 0.88

00:30:01.000 I don't know, man.

00:30:01.000 It's a valid question.

00:30:02.000 Even if this specific post is a troll, I'm telling you that there is...

00:30:07.000 Apparently, this is like a thing.

00:30:08.000 It's a total...

00:30:09.000 They go in Japan.

00:30:10.000 A couple things.

00:30:11.000 A couple things.

00:30:12.000 Blake, I told...

00:30:13.000 Just like bent my...

00:30:14.000 Okay, say Ellen Page...

00:30:17.000 Was a lesbian before becoming... 1.00

00:30:19.000 Is this right, Jack?

00:30:22.000 So, would Ellen Pate... 1.00

00:30:24.000 I don't know.

00:30:26.000 Would going on a gaycation mean that she was then on an island with other lesbians? 0.98

00:30:33.000 Or... 0.71

00:30:34.000 I don't know.

00:30:35.000 It's very spine-bending. 0.90

00:30:36.000 Her spouse was a partner, so she was gay. 0.89

00:30:40.000 But now she's ex-gay? 1.00

00:30:40.000 Ellen was gay before. 1.00

00:30:42.000 Okay.

00:30:42.000 I don't really know what she would do with that.

00:30:45.000 But here's what I will tell you.

00:30:46.000 I read this thing from top to bottom and there's multiple posts and then she waits a couple days and then she comes back and you can tell that her thinking has changed.

00:30:55.000 It is the best troll job I've ever seen if it's a troll because it actually feels very authentic the way that her thinking develops over time and you can tell that she's then made up her mind about certain things and then...

00:31:10.000 She's actually reacting to some of the comments saying that they've shaped her thinking.

00:31:13.000 I mean, it's a very well-done troll if it's a troll.

00:31:17.000 The other thing is, I actually have lived in the UK for some time.

00:31:21.000 I was there for almost a year.

00:31:23.000 This feels very British.

00:31:24.000 It feels very uniquely something that would actually happen in the UK. And it's hard to explain why, but I feel that way.

00:31:34.000 I want to read this line just because it is...

00:31:37.000 Okay, go ahead.

00:31:38.000 I want to read this line just because it is the best line from it and it is what caused me to send it to everyone, which is, so this is the woman saying, I ignored him for the rest of the day, but we spoke at tea and I asked him, why does he want to do this so bad if he's not gay?

00:31:55.000 He said he's interested in how gay men's lives differ from straight men's and that, unfortunately, Once the gaycation begins, it is simply impossible for a man to resist, and he must, quote, surrender himself, mind, body, and soul to the gaycation, or be destroyed. 0.95

00:32:18.000 That is so funny to me. 0.93

00:32:20.000 Or be destroyed.

00:32:22.000 It seems like a troll, but if you read it, it does read like a woman wrote it. 0.91

00:32:32.000 You know, so...

00:32:34.000 I go back and forth on it.

00:32:36.000 But either way, it is very funny.

00:32:38.000 It's really sad, if true.

00:32:41.000 Genuinely.

00:32:41.000 Because, like, this story...

00:32:42.000 Apparently this guy involves the woman's brother-in-law, and it, like, destroys two families.

00:32:47.000 It totally destroys two families.

00:32:49.000 There's kids involved.

00:32:50.000 The parents are distraught.

00:32:52.000 I mean, if this is, like, a thing that's spreading on the...

00:32:55.000 If this is, like, a contagion that's spreading on the underwebs, like, this is...

00:33:01.000 Bodes very, very badly for the UK, and I hope probably is here already.

00:33:07.000 It's really terrifying.

00:33:09.000 So help me understand, the wife is approving of this?

00:33:13.000 No, does not approve.

00:33:15.000 Although the post does come with trigger warnings for internalized homophobia and accusations of homophobia.

00:33:23.000 But people assure her, the commenters assure her that it is not homophobic to be upset that your husband wants to ditch you to go on a gaycation with his brother-in-law.

00:33:34.000 That's all I got.

00:33:35.000 She also also at one point, one of the commenters suggests that she could take a straightcation and go up to I think she says Manchester and say whatever happens in Manchester stays in Manchester.

00:33:54.000 And at which point he gets very upset and accuses her of abusing the gaycation.

00:34:00.000 And not giving the gaycation the proper respect it deserves. 1.00

00:34:04.000 She was abusing the gaycation. 1.00

00:34:05.000 The sacred trust implied by the gaycation. 0.99

00:34:08.000 The concept of the gaycation. 0.99

00:34:10.000 It's like an aquarium.

00:34:12.000 But an aquarium is not interactive.

00:34:14.000 So it's not like an aquarium.

00:34:17.000 I should also add this.

00:34:18.000 This is another thing that the man claims in the story.

00:34:21.000 He claims that a gaycation is something that all straight men go on.

00:34:27.000 And that, in fact, he's like 40 in the story.

00:34:30.000 He's actually going on it rather late compared to other people.

00:34:33.000 So that's part of the claim.

00:34:35.000 The claim is that dudes are just doing this all of the time.

00:34:38.000 And, in fact, she's just out of the loop.

00:34:40.000 Now, I am not a hippest person, so perhaps I am also out of the loop.

00:34:44.000 I have never heard of anyone doing this that I know of, but Jack apparently does disagree.

00:34:50.000 Well, I was in the Navy, so...

00:34:54.000 But when you're underway, you know what they say.

00:34:56.000 In the Navy.

00:34:58.000 We need Donald Trump to popularize that one next.

00:35:02.000 As we close, let's do New Year's resolutions.

00:35:05.000 We're running out of time.

00:35:06.000 Okay.

00:35:08.000 I was just going to say that he threw out that maybe it's literally not a gaycation.

00:35:13.000 He just wants an excuse to go cheat.

00:35:16.000 A very elaborate excuse.

00:35:18.000 Very elaborate.

00:35:19.000 He wants to keep his family intact and still cheat.

00:35:22.000 I mean, I guess one of the best ways to make it so they don't suspect you of cheating with women is to just very loudly say that you're cheating with men.

00:35:32.000 That would be a weird way to go about it.

00:35:33.000 Anyway, New Year's resolutions.

00:35:35.000 First of all, we had a disagreement.

00:35:37.000 Charlie is pro-New Year's.

00:35:38.000 Jack is anti-New Year's.

00:35:39.000 So I think you guys should hash that one out first.

00:35:42.000 I'm very pro-New Year's.

00:35:43.000 Very.

00:35:44.000 I think it's really...

00:35:46.000 I've always been...

00:35:48.000 I totally disagree.

00:35:50.000 I think it's incredibly powerful.

00:35:52.000 And I think, first of all, just the idea of you wanting to be better at something, I think is a phenomenal thing.

00:35:59.000 Acknowledging that you're not who you yet want to be and that you want to aim at a higher point and that you want to be a better version of yourself.

00:36:10.000 I look back at my life, some of the greatest accomplishments I have have been thanks to New Year's resolutions.

00:36:15.000 When I listened to...

00:36:18.000 Dennis Prager, teach the entire Torah.

00:36:20.000 That was a 2023 New Year's resolution.

00:36:23.000 My New Year's resolution last year was to work as hard as a human being possibly can to get Donald Trump elected president.

00:36:30.000 I have New Year's resolutions for this year, but who could be against that?

00:36:33.000 Who could be against the idea of self-examination and wanting to be better?

00:36:40.000 And who cares if you don't keep the New Year's resolution?

00:36:42.000 That's not the point.

00:36:43.000 The point is that...

00:36:44.000 Not even that you try, but you acknowledge that you are not all that you yet want to be.

00:36:49.000 What am I missing, Jack?

00:36:51.000 Well, so, I mean, it's also, I mean, I'm speaking from a personal perspective.

00:36:55.000 I like the idea of resolutions, but I would argue that...

00:36:59.000 Something that could be more powerful than a New Year's resolution or perhaps more effective could be a daily resolution.

00:37:05.000 Because if you want to talk resolutions, sure, I'm for resolutions.

00:37:09.000 I just don't think that the New Year's one is particularly effective.

00:37:13.000 What I was saying before personally is that I've just...

00:37:16.000 I don't know.

00:37:17.000 Like, to me, it's like an arbitrary, you know, the calendar is kind of arbitrary to begin with, in the sense that we know that it's a couple of years off from the birth of JC himself.

00:37:28.000 So the numbers are like, well, we just sort of started the numbers at one point, and there they are.

00:37:35.000 I'm not saying it's arbitrary in the sense of theologically, but that's a different conversation.

00:37:40.000 It's like, I don't know.

00:37:42.000 It's another day of the week to me.

00:37:44.000 But that being said, a resolution is important, but I would reframe it as a daily resolution.

00:37:49.000 Say, this is what I'm going to do today.

00:37:52.000 This is what I'm going to do this month.

00:37:54.000 This is what I'm going to do in this progression.

00:37:58.000 In the military, we had different ranks.

00:37:59.000 So this is what I'm going to do while I'm at this rank to get to the next rank.

00:38:02.000 This is what I'm going to do in my personal life, etc.

00:38:05.000 But just, I don't know, like the idea of like, oh, it's New Year's Eve and now it's 2024 and now it's 2025. It just, to me personally, it never really had much resonance at all.

00:38:13.000 And it's kind of like, you know, the cliche, you go to the gym on January 1st, which, you know, actually we did do, by the way.

00:38:21.000 So we were in the gym January 1st, January 2nd.

00:38:23.000 We did a couple of days at the gym.

00:38:25.000 And then, you know, it's packed.

00:38:28.000 But then go there a week later.

00:38:30.000 Go there a month later.

00:38:31.000 And guess what?

00:38:31.000 All those people are gone.

00:38:33.000 Why?

00:38:33.000 Because they made New Year's resolutions and not daily resolutions.

00:38:37.000 So I have a sort of funny story about that, which is I kind of agree with Jack.

00:38:43.000 Like, it's a little arbitrary.

00:38:44.000 And what I worry is I think we have created such a culture of New Year's resolutions and people know they, like, don't work.

00:38:51.000 It's almost...

00:38:52.000 It's like an anti-promise.

00:38:54.000 It's the promise you make that you almost have social approval to break because everyone expects it to fail.

00:39:00.000 And what I will say is funny is the one time I, not the one time, but the most memorable time I made a very big shift in my life where I really changed a lot of my behavior all at once.

00:39:10.000 I'm not sure why, but it didn't happen at New Year's.

00:39:13.000 It happened, I remember it very well, it happened on April Fool's Day.

00:39:17.000 So I used to be quite a bit fatter.

00:39:22.000 And don't look at photos of it.

00:39:24.000 It's bad, but I think most of them have vanished off the internet.

00:39:26.000 And the time that I fixed it was on April Fool's Day, 2018. No, it was 2017. 2017. And I'm not even entirely sure what happened, but I remember the details of the day very well.

00:39:38.000 I went with my roommate, his girlfriend, and a friend of mine, and we went to King's Dominion, an amusement park in central Virginia.

00:39:47.000 And while we were driving down there, I thought, You know, it's gross.

00:39:51.000 I'm fat. 0.61

00:39:52.000 That's bad.

00:39:53.000 I should not be fat. 0.95

00:39:54.000 That's so gross.

00:39:55.000 I'm going to not eat anything today.

00:39:58.000 And I didn't eat anything that day.

00:40:00.000 And I didn't eat anything the following day either.

00:40:03.000 Or the day after that.

00:40:04.000 And that actually turned into this gigantic thing where I lost 70 pounds in one year.

00:40:11.000 And I also read 101 books that year.

00:40:13.000 It turned into this giant self-improvement frenzy that lasted...

00:40:18.000 About a year and a half, I would say.

00:40:20.000 And it was very funny because at the time I remember thinking, I don't think I can maintain this level of intensity for the rest of my life, but I can maintain it as long as I can.

00:40:28.000 And it was a big part of my life.

00:40:30.000 And I sometimes wonder if it mattered a lot that it didn't happen on New Year's.

00:40:34.000 So it made the momentum feel more durable to me.

00:40:38.000 Just a thought I've had.

00:40:39.000 Yeah, that's a resolution.

00:40:41.000 It doesn't matter if it's on New Year's or not.

00:40:42.000 Just New Year's is a good way to try to wipe away the old year.

00:40:46.000 And go into the new year.

00:40:47.000 I also just love New Year's Day.

00:40:48.000 This New Year's Day was awful.

00:40:49.000 Well, it was great until it wasn't because Oregon lost in a humiliating fashion.

00:40:54.000 That's okay.

00:40:54.000 Humiliating.

00:40:55.000 Besides that, it was great news. 0.62

00:40:56.000 It was humiliating.

00:40:57.000 It was awful.

00:40:59.000 Wow.

00:41:00.000 Such a surprise.

00:41:02.000 Yes, I do know that it was a surprise.

00:41:04.000 It was not good.

00:41:05.000 So, but I did go through my entire phone.

00:41:08.000 I do this every year.

00:41:09.000 I just kind of go through like, oh, who are people I haven't contacted before and people I haven't reached out to and just spend a lot of time doing that and trying to just send a bunch of messages.

00:41:17.000 I love doing that on New Year's.

00:41:19.000 And so what are your, anyone have a New Year's resolution to share?

00:41:23.000 I, you know, I do.

00:41:25.000 So I said I read all those books in 2018 and then this is, you know.

00:41:30.000 TMI, but after I had my thing in 2020, Google it if you care, I didn't read a book for six months, and I read a lot more than I did after that happened.

00:41:43.000 But I do want to, I want to try to read 50 this year.

00:41:45.000 101 will be hard.

00:41:46.000 I'm busier than I was in 2017. But I want to read 50 books, one every single week, roughly.

00:41:52.000 Yeah.

00:41:53.000 My resolution is I've got to finish my Sabbath book.

00:41:56.000 Go ahead.

00:41:57.000 No, you go for it, Charlie.

00:41:58.000 No, I just said I want to finish the Sabbath book.

00:42:01.000 I wanted to read a hundred books, but we'll see if I get there.

00:42:07.000 Audiobooks count.

00:42:08.000 And yeah, I have some other resolutions too.

00:42:12.000 Just health stuff that I want to hit.

00:42:15.000 Go ahead, Andrew.

00:42:15.000 Yeah, I was reflecting on what Jack said.

00:42:19.000 And what Blake said, that there's this built-in social acceptance to just fail at your resolutions.

00:42:26.000 I would say...

00:42:28.000 I'll answer both questions.

00:42:29.000 What is my resolution?

00:42:30.000 I feel like I'm still living up to a resolution that I am bound and determined to keep.

00:42:35.000 Maybe this is too much behind the scenes, but Charlie and I and a few others were in a small room probably about four years ago, Charlie, I want to say.

00:42:45.000 Maybe it was five years ago where we mapped out how we wanted to see the Charlie Kirk show grow.

00:42:51.000 I remember that.

00:42:53.000 And we put it all on a whiteboard and we mapped it out and I took pictures of it.

00:42:57.000 And I still look back at that picture, I would say probably once a month, once every two months.

00:43:03.000 And I check how we're going.

00:43:05.000 And we're not all the way there yet, but I would say that we're closer to being there than we've ever been.

00:43:11.000 And that makes me really excited.

00:43:13.000 The other thing I would say, so I would say that resolutions...

00:43:19.000 It's a built-in psychology.

00:43:21.000 If you know that you're not going to keep a resolution, then they're useless.

00:43:25.000 But the second you honor a promise that you make to yourself, that your yes be yes and your no be no, the more that you believe in yourself internally and you do build this momentum, kind of like what Blake was talking about.

00:43:37.000 As soon as he took one step in the right direction and he didn't eat food the next day, he ended up...

00:43:44.000 Gaining momentum.

00:43:45.000 And I think that's the psychology of resolutions, is that once you actually honor something that's hard internally and mentally for you, the next day is easier, and you keep going, and all of a sudden you build this momentum, and the psychology shifts to becoming, I'm not going to do this, why am I even trying to do this, to, wow, I can't believe I made it this far, I really want to keep going.

00:44:06.000 And once you turn that corner...

00:44:10.000 Something really profound and powerful happens, and you become a much more powerful person when you start honoring your own resolutions to yourself.

00:44:18.000 So I would say, wherever you're at, I love resolutions, they don't have to come at New Year's, but do something really hard and make yourself keep doing it, and you will become a more powerful person as a result of that.

00:44:30.000 You can actually trust yourself when you commit to doing something that you're going to follow through, and that's a really powerful way to live your life.

00:44:39.000 Well said.

00:44:40.000 Andrew, thank you guys.

00:44:42.000 Jack, Blake, everyone, email us your New Year's resolutions, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:44:46.000 We'll be back with another show on Thursday.

00:44:48.000 Thanks so much.

00:44:49.000 Talk to you soon.

00:44:50.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:44:51.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - January 07, 2025

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 68 — J6 Retrospective? New Year Resolutions? "Gaycations?"

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