The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 73 — Does Flying Stink Now? MAHA Day 1? LOTR = Gay?

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00:01:26.000 Okay, everybody.

00:01:27.000 It is Thought Crime Thursday, and we are here live with Blake, Andrew, and Jack.

00:01:32.000 Did I get that right?

00:01:33.000 I always say that before I can see.

00:01:34.000 Oh, no, Tyler.

00:01:35.000 There's no Jack.

00:01:36.000 Jack is in Ukraine.

00:01:38.000 Is that right?

00:01:38.000 Jack has enlisted to be a fighting force soldier of Zelensky.

00:01:42.000 Is that correct?

00:01:43.000 He's front lines.

00:01:44.000 Yeah.

00:01:45.000 Front lines?

00:01:47.000 They get drafted, man.

00:01:48.000 Yeah, he got drafted.

00:01:49.000 He was the first drafted.

00:01:50.000 Yeah.

00:01:50.000 Mitch McConnell.

00:01:51.000 They got a letter where they said anyone who has a Polish last name in the United States has to go fight in Ukraine for their old...

00:01:59.000 Poland used to own that whole area.

00:02:01.000 Mitch McConnell letterhead and everything.

00:02:03.000 It's crazy.

00:02:03.000 I wouldn't have answered that.

00:02:05.000 It's really crazy.

00:02:06.000 It's one of those things Doge found.

00:02:07.000 It's actually a law that they have to do this if we fight in Eastern Europe.

00:02:12.000 You get drafted if you're Polish. 1.00

00:02:14.000 It's crazy.

00:02:16.000 So we have a series of topics today.

00:02:20.000 That are unusual.

00:02:22.000 One of them is about someone I don't really know.

00:02:24.000 I think he dated Kim Kardashian.

00:02:26.000 Blake!

00:02:27.000 Introduced us to our first topic.

00:02:29.000 That's part of the joy.

00:02:29.000 That's why I thought it'd be fun to drop this on you.

00:02:31.000 So there is this person named Pete Davidson.

00:02:34.000 He is famous for...

00:02:37.000 He must be famous for some kind of reason.

00:02:40.000 I've never quite understood what it was.

00:02:42.000 I think he's allegedly a comedian, but I don't know any jokes he's told or anything.

00:02:46.000 But just trust us.

00:02:48.000 Just trust me, Charlie.

00:02:50.000 He is famous for some reason.

00:02:51.000 Anyway, he's also very ghastly looking because he famously would be covered in a million gazillion tattoos.

00:02:59.000 He was basically the prototypical modern millennial by being tatted up from neck to ankle.

00:03:06.000 And a kind of strange story to have happen in the first three weeks of the Trump administration is he went and he got all or almost all of his tattoos removed.

00:03:18.000 Which, I don't know if you guys are aware, because I don't think any of us here have tattoos, but it's actually a pretty involved process to do this.

00:03:25.000 He apparently had to spend about $250,000, and they basically have to burn it off.

00:03:32.000 Like, they systematically burn your skin, and then it has to grow back.

00:03:36.000 So, this is a pretty intense thing for him to do, but he actually did burn it off and, you know, did a kind of gay-looking photo shoot there.

00:03:46.000 But we won't dwell upon that.

00:03:48.000 What we're dwelling upon is, this is happening in the first month of the Trump administration, and it's also happening while we're having all of the DEI rollbacks.

00:04:01.000 We've moved on from just Walmart and Target to Disney is canceling DEI. Goldman Sachs, a major investment bank, they're canceling their DEI. Is there a vibe shift, and can we detect it from such things?

00:04:16.000 And also, is it good?

00:04:17.000 I feel like MAGA was becoming, if anything, there was a lot of tattoos in MAGA, so maybe we're just doing a switcheroo on that one.

00:04:25.000 Anyway, I think it's an interesting topic.

00:04:27.000 Charlie, do you want to chime in?

00:04:31.000 How about I start with this?

00:04:33.000 I'm trying to learn.

00:04:35.000 How about I start with this?

00:04:36.000 Pete Davidson, his dad famously died in 9-11.

00:04:40.000 He was like a New York kid, Staten Island.

00:04:44.000 His dad died.

00:04:45.000 So that's kind of his origin story.

00:04:48.000 I think he's quintessential daddy issues kind of millennial guy.

00:04:56.000 So then he becomes a comedian.

00:04:57.000 He was on SNL. Dated Kim Kardashian.

00:05:01.000 Apparently the deal with Pete Davidson, and I don't understand the fame thing either, but he's dated a lot of really attractive women. 0.96

00:05:09.000 So apparently he's got some game.

00:05:11.000 I don't understand what the game is.

00:05:14.000 There's rumors about that.

00:05:16.000 But then he is, to Blake's point, he's probably the most surprising person that you would see reform his life in such a way.

00:05:25.000 So I don't know if he had some really good alpha dad and he's kind of reconnecting with that energy that he, you know, obviously with his dad's tragic death in 9-11 kind of fell away from it and he just had a really long rebellious period.

00:05:39.000 But he is...

00:05:40.000 He's got something.

00:05:42.000 He's got something because he's able to have the success that he had.

00:05:46.000 He's produced and directed movies and I think co-wrote them.

00:05:50.000 So it is a very telling cultural marker.

00:05:53.000 I don't know if you can extrapolate too much from it, but good for him.

00:05:57.000 I tend to think tattoos like the ones he had were pretty heinous and ugly and tacky.

00:06:03.000 I would love to know what the people in the chat think.

00:06:06.000 What do you guys think about...

00:06:07.000 Tattoos in general, we do, to Blake's point, a lot of people in the MAGA world and conservative movement have a lot of tattoos.

00:06:15.000 It's a military thing.

00:06:16.000 But Pete Davidson was definitely next level.

00:06:21.000 Next level tattoos.

00:06:23.000 Tyler, Mormons aren't allowed to get tattoos.

00:06:25.000 And the Bible does prohibit tattoos, just saying.

00:06:28.000 Yeah, I mean, I think every Bible does prohibit it.

00:06:30.000 Yeah, every, I think most, like, orthodoxy is against.

00:06:34.000 Yeah.

00:06:36.000 Although then we did go through the phase where we were celebrating Hegseth for having his deus volt tattoo and all of that.

00:06:43.000 I feel like people are less schizo on the tattoo topic, depending on whether they think it feels cool and rebellious or just trashy. 0.98

00:06:51.000 I feel like if you're in the military, you get away with it, first of all.

00:06:55.000 I mean, yeah, Leviticus 1928. You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves.

00:07:04.000 But isn't that saying for the dead?

00:07:06.000 No.

00:07:07.000 Or tattoo yourself.

00:07:09.000 Or tattoo yourself.

00:07:09.000 Yeah.

00:07:10.000 But again, there's a lot of things in the Old Testament that we don't necessarily bring forward to the New Testament, like women's head coverings.

00:07:19.000 I don't know.

00:07:20.000 There's a bunch of stuff.

00:07:21.000 What?

00:07:22.000 You want to read those comments, Blake?

00:07:24.000 I was going to say while we read those.

00:07:26.000 Some do.

00:07:27.000 Some do.

00:07:29.000 I think it's a maturity thing, too.

00:07:32.000 I could be wrong about this.

00:07:33.000 I don't know if Pete Davidson...

00:07:34.000 Pete Davidson, his whole brand is known as being immature.

00:07:38.000 And I think that maybe...

00:07:41.000 You talk about vibe shift with all this stuff.

00:07:43.000 I think that there are a lot of people...

00:07:46.000 And I've known a lot of people who've had tattoos removed.

00:07:48.000 I have a lot of friends.

00:07:50.000 It's a very millennial-centric thing.

00:07:52.000 I actually think this is part of the swing back with Gen Z.

00:07:55.000 Gen Z is a lot less edgy about this stuff.

00:07:58.000 I kind of, I've always equated to people.

00:08:01.000 The millennial thing is kind of like hippie. 0.53

00:08:03.000 Is Gen Z less edgy or, If someone told me Gen Z can't get tattoos because they're so scared of needles because they're scared of everything so they can't handle the tattoo process I would probably believe them because it seems like Gen Z is scared of its own shadow. 0.87

00:08:21.000 Like those phone apps, you know, that can track people?

00:08:24.000 Yep.

00:08:24.000 I think you can agree, like an older millennial kid would be angry if their parent was, you know, putting a tracker on their phone to know exactly where they were at all times.

00:08:33.000 Apparently it's the opposite now, where Zoomers are uncomfortable, Gen Zers are uncomfortable, if they can't have the app on their phone so their parents know where they are at all times. 0.99

00:08:44.000 Yeah.

00:08:44.000 They need that comfort.

00:08:46.000 It's like swap.

00:08:46.000 And so maybe they're also just scared of needle pricks.

00:08:49.000 They're scared of...

00:08:50.000 They're scared of driving.

00:08:51.000 They're scared of...

00:08:52.000 I just think it's been like a swing back, and Gen Z is just a lot more almost traditional in a lot of different ways.

00:09:02.000 He's young millennial, though, to be fair.

00:09:05.000 To be fair.

00:09:05.000 He's young millennial.

00:09:06.000 He's the exact same age as Charlie Kirk, basically.

00:09:09.000 He's like a month younger than you, Charlie.

00:09:12.000 I'm a month older, yeah.

00:09:13.000 That's right.

00:09:14.000 That's crazy.

00:09:15.000 Can we put the picture up for anyone who's gay or a woman?

00:09:19.000 Is this considered a good-looking man?

00:09:20.000 I would like someone to instruct me.

00:09:26.000 I'm so fascinated.

00:09:27.000 What does the chat think?

00:09:29.000 Fisherman85 says he got a tattoo when he was 23. He was drunk and he had $50 burning a hole in his pocket.

00:09:36.000 LOL. I think that does accurately represent the thought process that goes into permanently marking your body.

00:09:43.000 Much of the time, like, yeah, I'm definitely going to want this, like, the name of this girl I've been dating for two weeks on my skin forever.

00:09:52.000 That will not be something I regret.

00:09:54.000 I actually have a good story about this.

00:09:55.000 We had staff leading into 2020. They all went out one night, and they got inside their lip tattoos that said MAGA. And then, obviously, we know what happened in 2020, so we had no choice but to spend four years of fighting back because their tattoos...

00:10:13.000 And they were told that those tattoos would fade on their inside of their lip.

00:10:17.000 It did not fade.

00:10:18.000 It did not fade.

00:10:20.000 So they've got permanent magas.

00:10:23.000 Were they just sitting there like, ooh, for like an hour while they did this?

00:10:28.000 They must have had a really great night.

00:10:29.000 I don't know.

00:10:29.000 I wasn't there.

00:10:30.000 So they must have had a really great night, but there was like four or five of them.

00:10:33.000 And then...

00:10:35.000 Okay, the real Arthur Blake, who is not me, he says the photo is gay.

00:10:41.000 So, I trust him.

00:10:43.000 I think he's probably got a good evaluation of that.

00:10:45.000 He looks like he's strung out, Oklahoma stoner chick.

00:10:50.000 I probably would trust her, too.

00:10:52.000 Too skinny, because what are you looking at?

00:10:55.000 Because the sun doesn't hit it.

00:10:56.000 I think the comments are not feeling very positive about Mr. Pete Davidson.

00:11:03.000 Pete Davidson?

00:11:05.000 Yeah.

00:11:06.000 Can we take the picture down?

00:11:09.000 You asked for them to put it back up.

00:11:11.000 I want to note that.

00:11:13.000 You asked for them to put it back up.

00:11:15.000 I did not.

00:11:15.000 Charlie asked for it.

00:11:17.000 Oh, whatever.

00:11:18.000 Someone did.

00:11:18.000 The point is, it wasn't me who asked it to go back up.

00:11:21.000 Alright.

00:11:22.000 That's fine.

00:11:22.000 You asked the question, though, Andrew, about what's the allure of him to, like, he gets, like, really attractive.

00:11:28.000 I think he's, like...

00:11:29.000 Yeah, he's dated, like, a bunch of models, right?

00:11:31.000 I could be wrong about this, but wasn't he branded the rebound guy?

00:11:35.000 He was always the guy that was picking up girls.

00:11:38.000 I just kind of semi-remember this.

00:11:41.000 He was always picking up famous girls right after they break up.

00:11:45.000 Am I wrong about that?

00:11:47.000 I don't know if anyone else heard that.

00:11:49.000 I think a lot of women that are famous, they like to date people who are funny.

00:11:56.000 I think he's on the...

00:11:59.000 On the funny, attractive scale, obviously less attractive probably to most people.

00:12:03.000 But he's funny.

00:12:05.000 So he's dated Madeline Klein, who's apparently somebody.

00:12:11.000 Some Chase Sue wonders.

00:12:13.000 I don't know any of these people.

00:12:15.000 This is hilarious.

00:12:16.000 He dated Ariana Grande.

00:12:18.000 He dated Emily Ratajkowski, whatever her name is.

00:12:22.000 She's kind of famous for being famous. 0.98

00:12:24.000 Kim Kardashian.

00:12:26.000 Phoebe Denever.

00:12:27.000 Don't know who that is.

00:12:28.000 Oh, I recognize her face, though.

00:12:30.000 She's some actress. 1.00

00:12:31.000 Kaya Gerber.

00:12:33.000 I don't know.

00:12:34.000 It's like a lot of famous...

00:12:35.000 Kate Beckinsale?

00:12:37.000 He dated Kate Beckinsale?

00:12:38.000 Yeah, who's like super old.

00:12:40.000 Yeah, Cassie David.

00:12:42.000 I don't know who that is.

00:12:43.000 Anyways, they're all like obviously noteworthy people to some extent.

00:12:49.000 So he's got some game.

00:12:51.000 But he's like, the celebs like to date effeminate men, says Crimson Blackard.

00:12:56.000 I kind of think that's right.

00:12:57.000 You know, this does circle back, though, to our most important topic, which is whether Lord of the Rings is gay or not.

00:13:03.000 Because did you know that the cast of the Fellowship, the nine members of the Fellowship of the Ring, to commemorate being...

00:13:13.000 In the movie, they all got some shared tattoo that's something from Tolkien.

00:13:19.000 And they all got the tattoo.

00:13:21.000 I watched Lord of the Rings this weekend, and Tyler ruined it for me.

00:13:25.000 I have to just be honest.

00:13:26.000 You agree with him now?

00:13:27.000 You gave into this?

00:13:29.000 No, I don't.

00:13:29.000 You see it now.

00:13:31.000 I don't agree.

00:13:32.000 I'm saying that he ruined it.

00:13:35.000 I always used to look at it as brotherly love.

00:13:39.000 Frodo and Sam, there's some very long gazes.

00:13:42.000 It's so brotherly love.

00:13:44.000 You guys are giving in to the propaganda.

00:13:48.000 No, no, no.

00:13:49.000 The propaganda wants you to think every time.

00:13:51.000 Tyler gets in your head about this, and then all of a sudden you can't unsee it.

00:13:55.000 I'm not even saying it's right.

00:13:57.000 I'm saying you kind of infer it.

00:13:59.000 And, geez, Frodo doesn't look at women that way.

00:14:03.000 This is Peter Jackson's fault.

00:14:04.000 Doesn't look at the woman in the woods that way.

00:14:06.000 Doesn't look at Liv Tyler that way.

00:14:09.000 That's right.

00:14:10.000 I think you can infer that Frodo knew his place.

00:14:13.000 And then you really start wondering, like, Mary, Pippen, Sam, and Frodo are all sharing a room.

00:14:18.000 You really start thinking about things you shouldn't be thinking about.

00:14:22.000 This is like a three-week vlog, like, what conversation we've had.

00:14:25.000 And it's going to keep going until I win this conversation.

00:14:28.000 And you've got to wonder, like, what are they actually doing in Rivendell?

00:14:31.000 What are they really doing in Rivendell?

00:14:33.000 Because you look at it through kind of the modern woke lens.

00:14:35.000 Yeah.

00:14:36.000 And I'm not saying Tyler's right, but it half ruined the movie for me.

00:14:41.000 What are they really doing in Rivendell?

00:14:43.000 Why is Gandalf going down there like a weirdo?

00:14:47.000 They're playing music and they're singing their elfish songs in their elfish language and there's nothing gay about it.

00:14:52.000 No, what's Gandalf really going down there for?

00:14:55.000 It's like his little Thailand.

00:14:56.000 This is like creepy stuff.

00:14:58.000 Is Gandalf the Epstein wizard of Middle Earth?

00:15:01.000 Yes, he is!

00:15:03.000 That's his Thailand. 0.96

00:15:05.000 Ryan wants us to throw this up.

00:15:10.000 Let's throw it up.

00:15:11.000 There it is.

00:15:13.000 I'm telling you...

00:15:15.000 Once you see it through the Tyler lens, it's not that he's right.

00:15:18.000 It's just you can't unsee it and it kind of ruins the film.

00:15:21.000 I want to make this point that we didn't make a few weeks ago.

00:15:25.000 It's not just that.

00:15:26.000 I think Peter Jackson had this weird homoerotic approach to this because the elves are all super gay. 1.00

00:15:34.000 They're all super gay. 1.00

00:15:36.000 Orlando Bloom looks like Pete Davidson.

00:15:39.000 He's got Pete Davidson vibes to him, which is like...

00:15:44.000 Yes, yes.

00:15:45.000 And we talked about all the orcs.

00:15:47.000 There's no women orcs. 1.00

00:15:49.000 There's no female. 0.92

00:15:50.000 There's a lot of gay. 0.89

00:15:52.000 What do they do that's gay? 1.00

00:15:54.000 What do the orcs do that's gay? 1.00

00:15:56.000 There's no girls. 0.87

00:15:58.000 There's no women. 1.00

00:15:59.000 Is the military gay? 0.84

00:16:02.000 Is Pete Hegseth's goal to make combat really gay?

00:16:06.000 Is that the goal, Tyler?

00:16:08.000 The story itself...

00:16:10.000 The story itself is not necessarily homoerotic, but there's, like, gazes that are, like, half a second, two seconds too long, and then, like, the whole, like, Sam, I'm so glad I have you with me.

00:16:23.000 It's, like, completely unnecessary extra lines of dialogue.

00:16:26.000 I'm sorry, I, like, I rewatched it, and it's such a good movie, and it's so amazing, but if you kind of go back to watch a movie 20 years ago through modern, ultra, like, let's just say, Gay lens of film.

00:16:41.000 You see some things there.

00:16:43.000 Boy, if that was made in 2025, it would be Brokeback Mountain.

00:16:48.000 It would be awful.

00:16:49.000 This reminds me of what happened with Abraham Lincoln, right?

00:16:54.000 So he had this really close friendship with a guy named Joshua Fry Speed.

00:16:58.000 And this is before he was president, like well before.

00:17:01.000 I sent the old-timey image of Joshua Fryspeed.

00:17:05.000 But there was, in 1926, a biography of Lincoln by Carl Sandburg alluded to the early relationship Lincoln and his friend Joshua Fryspeed as having a streak of lavender and spots soft as May violets.

00:17:20.000 And that kind of reminds me of a really good description of Frodo and Stanwise.

00:17:27.000 That's Ian McClellan.

00:17:28.000 That's Gandalf.

00:17:29.000 Yeah, Gandalf is gay.

00:17:30.000 I forgot Ian McClellan is gay.

00:17:32.000 That's Ian McClellan.

00:17:32.000 Yeah.

00:17:33.000 See?

00:17:33.000 Yeah, but, like, I also call it, like, this is, you know, we're changing history here.

00:17:38.000 I mean, I can guarantee you that maybe the movie's a little bit, like, homoerotic, but, like, the books and the original intent. 0.85

00:17:46.000 It says Grand Marshal.

00:17:47.000 He's the Grand Marshal of the gay parade. 0.91

00:17:49.000 Yeah, but that's modern, you know, that's not the way the books were written.

00:17:55.000 That's not the original intent.

00:17:57.000 Oh, jeez.

00:17:58.000 I know.

00:18:00.000 When you accept this framing, you are giving in to the gay industrial complex. 0.99

00:18:07.000 I will say, I never thought it at all my entire life.

00:18:09.000 And then Tyler mentions it and it half ruins it.

00:18:13.000 If you let them do it, if you let them get away with it, they're going to make George Washington gay. 0.89

00:18:17.000 They're going to make Jesus gay. 0.99

00:18:19.000 To Blake's point, that's why I brought up Lincoln.

00:18:22.000 So he had a...

00:18:24.000 Like, he has four kids.

00:18:25.000 He was in a long relationship with his wife.

00:18:28.000 What was her name?

00:18:29.000 Mary Todd or whatever.

00:18:30.000 And he had a history of having romantic relationships with other women before that.

00:18:35.000 I'm not sure they were physical.

00:18:37.000 But the point is, everybody thought he was heterosexual his whole life.

00:18:40.000 And then we get to, like, 2020, and all of a sudden he's gay. 0.99

00:18:44.000 So I do want to, like, make space for the fact that men can have...

00:18:49.000 Intimate, non-sexual, very heterosexual relationships.

00:18:53.000 And I think before the gay agenda took over modern pop culture, nobody would have thought differently about it. 1.00

00:18:59.000 Stop it, Ryan.

00:19:01.000 One of our producers keeps putting in very inappropriate pictures.

00:19:06.000 Anyways, what it's worth.

00:19:07.000 We have to make space for the fact that...

00:19:09.000 Well, I mean, this is a real conversation, though, and this does tie back to Pete Davidson, because...

00:19:15.000 You know, his like this, you know, growing up fatherless thing, obviously no fault of his own.

00:19:20.000 His dad died in 9-11, whatever.

00:19:22.000 But like this entire feminization of males, I think the feminization of males in general has made it impossible for guys to have like those old school, you know, guy best friends because people look at you and question if you're gay.

00:19:38.000 So when you create a world in which that's so prevalent, I think it's harder to be.

00:19:44.000 It's hard to have a best buddy.

00:19:46.000 Actually, I've talked about this recently with friends.

00:19:49.000 It's actually hard in general for men to get together and do anything.

00:19:52.000 Kind of the old school days, it was like men used to get together and do bowling leagues and poker nights and da-da-da-da.

00:19:57.000 Those things happen, but I don't think they're nearly as prevalent as they were many years ago.

00:20:05.000 And I think this is all part and parcel to, again, Hollywood, everything, just pushing the gay agenda, which may or may not have started with Lord of the Rings. 0.95

00:20:15.000 I totally agree.

00:20:18.000 I don't know if this is going to help my case or hurt it, depending on, but I'll never forget when I went to Italy.

00:20:25.000 And, okay, so it's apparently going to hurt it based on Blake's reaction to Italy.

00:20:30.000 But I remember going in Italy and there would be men holding hands, walking down the street, just holding hands.

00:20:36.000 And they were, I asked, I was like, are they gay? 0.95

00:20:38.000 And they're like, no, no, no, they're straight as an arrow.

00:20:40.000 Like, that's just men in Italy.

00:20:42.000 They'll just hold, like, if they feel close to another man, they'll just hold each other's hands.

00:20:47.000 I'm just saying what I saw.

00:20:49.000 Yeah, that's what I think.

00:20:51.000 That's what I think when I think of Italy.

00:20:52.000 All I'm saying is through a 2025 lens, you watch the movie 20 years later, and it's just you can't help but think because we look at all of that stuff as homoerotic and gay.

00:21:08.000 Thanks for ruining a childhood favorite, Tyler.

00:21:11.000 Really appreciate it.

00:21:12.000 Oh, no, no.

00:21:13.000 He completely wrecked it.

00:21:14.000 Well, I mean, it was...

00:21:16.000 Somebody had planted that in my mind, but this is how it happened for me.

00:21:21.000 I watched during COVID, I downloaded all the trilogies that existed because there was like...

00:21:27.000 So every night, I would just start watching one of the trilogies.

00:21:31.000 I watched literally every movie that had a trilogy.

00:21:34.000 And I downloaded Lord of the Rings.

00:21:35.000 I started watching.

00:21:36.000 I was like, man, this is really gay. 0.57

00:21:38.000 I can't watch this.

00:21:39.000 And I, like, shut up.

00:21:40.000 I downloaded all three.

00:21:41.000 I paid for all three movies.

00:21:42.000 And I only watched, like, the first half of the first one.

00:21:46.000 Now, thanks to Andrew's, like, Italy is super straight thing, I'm looking up Liberace to make sure he was, in fact, Italian.

00:21:53.000 And yes, he was Italian.

00:21:56.000 And he put a big candelabra on his piano.

00:21:58.000 And he insisted he was straight his whole life.

00:22:00.000 And then he, well...

00:22:02.000 He died of a condition not associated with that.

00:22:06.000 Well, I'm just telling you what I saw.

00:22:08.000 And men in Italy walked down the street together holding each other's hand.

00:22:11.000 And if you watch the movie closely, near the beginning at Bilbo Baggins' 110th or 111th birthday, Sam was really nervous to go up and talk to the ladies or the woman, so he needed like an extra thing of beer and had to be thrown into it.

00:22:26.000 That's really straight.

00:22:27.000 That's straight.

00:22:29.000 Gays are great at talking to women.

00:22:31.000 Because they have, like, women brain. 1.00

00:22:32.000 Wait, hold on.

00:22:33.000 Not always.

00:22:34.000 A lot of...

00:22:35.000 What?

00:22:36.000 Why would a gay dude be nervous about talking to women?

00:22:39.000 What's he worried is going to happen?

00:22:40.000 A lot of dudes are...

00:22:41.000 That's so cliche, it's a shtick they use in the movie, that men are nervous of talking to women.

00:22:46.000 Only a certain subset of men are nervous talking to women.

00:22:50.000 Not nervous to talk to Marion Pippen.

00:22:53.000 Hey, I will tell you that if you go watch Top Gun, the original...

00:22:57.000 Like, go watch that for homoerotic. 0.96

00:22:59.000 You're gonna make Top Gun gay for Charlie now, too? 0.56

00:23:02.000 You're gonna ruin Top Gun for all of us?

00:23:06.000 I mean, Top Gun is objectively homoerotic.

00:23:09.000 Andrew, you are putting this conversation in the danger zone.

00:23:14.000 You are on a highway to the danger zone right now.

00:23:17.000 This is not good.

00:23:18.000 I'm telling you.

00:23:19.000 There is a reason why there's a lot of rumors flowing around about the lead in that film, Tom Cruise.

00:23:25.000 I'm just saying that...

00:23:26.000 What else are you going to ruin for me?

00:23:29.000 Top Gun, the original 1980s Top Gun is the most homoerotic movie ever created. 0.90

00:23:35.000 It's a fact.

00:23:36.000 You're just going to come in every week.

00:23:38.000 It's going to be one of you guys is going to assert another movie is gay.

00:23:42.000 You're going to be like...

00:23:44.000 I mean, Star Wars is gay. 1.00

00:23:46.000 The Godfather, it was really kind of like, it wasn't really the five families, it was kind of like a gay conclave that was running inner Italian mafia. 0.99

00:23:55.000 You're gonna be like, the good, the bad, and the ugly, gay. 1.00

00:23:57.000 You're gonna...

00:23:58.000 No, no, no.

00:24:00.000 Citizen Kane.

00:24:01.000 It's not under every rock.

00:24:04.000 No, it's not under every rock.

00:24:06.000 Rosebud was not actually his sled growing up.

00:24:09.000 Rosebud was a secret lover that he had during college.

00:24:12.000 Charlie, don't look up the slang term.

00:24:14.000 Don't look up slang terms for that word.

00:24:17.000 Just that's all I'm going to say.

00:24:18.000 Clarence.

00:24:19.000 Ah, man.

00:24:20.000 You can't touch.

00:24:22.000 You cannot touch.

00:24:24.000 It's a wonderful life, okay?

00:24:25.000 You cannot touch.

00:24:26.000 Okay, hold on.

00:24:28.000 I mean, Top Gun is like, this is not me breaking news.

00:24:30.000 Everybody knows Top Gun's homo rock. 1.00

00:24:32.000 No, I just Googled it.

00:24:33.000 I've never thought of it that way.

00:24:34.000 He's right.

00:24:35.000 He's right.

00:24:35.000 It's gay.

00:24:36.000 You're going to say that Red Dawn is gay because...

00:24:40.000 Look at this.

00:24:41.000 Look at this.

00:24:42.000 Charlie Sheen and what's-his-name, they, like, are holding each other on that bench after, like, getting shot at the end.

00:24:48.000 Look at this.

00:24:49.000 Esquire magazine.

00:24:50.000 The Top Gun volleyball scene is not homoerotic.

00:24:53.000 That's the new one.

00:24:54.000 It is homosexual. 1.00

00:24:56.000 That's the new one.

00:24:57.000 No, that's the original one.

00:24:58.000 That's the new one.

00:24:59.000 Both of them have volleyball scenes.

00:25:01.000 Oh.

00:25:03.000 Yeah.

00:25:03.000 I forgot there was an original volleyball one.

00:25:05.000 I thought there was only the new one.

00:25:06.000 Yeah.

00:25:07.000 No, they brought it back because it was so popular in the first one.

00:25:10.000 Yeah, well.

00:25:12.000 I googled the gayest movies that aren't explicitly gay and also on there is Wizard of Oz.

00:25:19.000 That's a different one where whether that movie is gay or not, gay people are obsessed with Wizard of Oz because gay men love Judy Garland, I guess.

00:25:29.000 The more you know.

00:25:32.000 I also think that there's that connection, the same connection with Lord of the Rings as you have the small people.

00:25:39.000 If you look up gay icons, I think Judy Garland is literally the first result.

00:25:44.000 It's kind of strange.

00:25:46.000 Oh man, this is getting way too deep into the lore.

00:25:49.000 We should probably hit the evac button to the next topic.

00:25:52.000 It'll turn out everything is gay. 1.00

00:25:55.000 This is why people pay the big bucks.

00:25:56.000 Hold on.

00:25:58.000 This is top...

00:25:59.000 Number 10, Macho Blockbusters with Hidden Homoeroticism.

00:26:03.000 Number 10 is Ravenous from 1999. I've never heard of that.

00:26:07.000 300 is number 9. Number 8, Top Gun, 1986. No!

00:26:12.000 What are you talking about?

00:26:14.000 300?

00:26:15.000 Come on.

00:26:16.000 Yeah, well, because it's all these dudes running around. 1.00

00:26:19.000 Yeah, it's called, like, dudes who are, like, murdering other dudes.

00:26:22.000 Yeah.

00:26:24.000 Alright, A Nightmare on Elm Street, Freddy's Revenge from 1985. Tango and Cash, 1989. X-Men First Class, 2011. Yeah, X-Men's kind of gay. 1.00

00:26:34.000 We're corrupting the audience.

00:26:36.000 Yoma 63. I feel like I'm being corrupted.

00:26:39.000 I never saw gayness in Top Gun.

00:26:41.000 You guys are destroying our audience.

00:26:44.000 Ben Hur, 1959. I can see that.

00:26:47.000 Fight Club, 1999. What do you think about Fight Club?

00:26:51.000 Fight Club's kind of gay, yeah.

00:26:53.000 Yeah, Fight Club.

00:26:54.000 I have not actually seen the Fight Club movie.

00:26:56.000 I think I'm the only person born in my year to have not seen it.

00:26:59.000 That's a perfect example of a movie that was directed at men, that men, like, boys were supposed to like, that had severe gay undertones, for sure.

00:27:10.000 Yeah, I read the book.

00:27:11.000 Where is a gay undertone? 1.00

00:27:14.000 Because they need, like...

00:27:16.000 That's just like what a gang is.

00:27:19.000 I don't know if I agree with this at all.

00:27:22.000 No, there's a...

00:27:23.000 I actually...

00:27:24.000 Because I got into that after I was reading...

00:27:25.000 Because we were talking about gay movies because this is how this came up.

00:27:28.000 And I got to Lord of the Rings.

00:27:30.000 This was one of the ones...

00:27:32.000 The Reddit threads I read was all about how Fight Club has all these...

00:27:36.000 It's tons of undertones throughout.

00:27:39.000 And it was like planting in boys' minds all in the 2000s or 90s or whenever it came out.

00:27:45.000 Ah, man.

00:27:48.000 We've probably ruined everybody's night here.

00:27:50.000 DJT2020 suggests that just all acting in fiction is gay, which was kind of what the... 0.89

00:27:57.000 That is like the true classical take on it.

00:27:59.000 The ancient Romans considered actors the equivalent of prostitutes, basically.

00:28:05.000 Maybe we need to bring that back.

00:28:07.000 Well, I mean, if we go far enough back to the Greeks, it was only male actors, right?

00:28:12.000 So...

00:28:15.000 That would probably attract a certain type of male even back then.

00:28:20.000 Oh dear.

00:28:21.000 Alright.

00:28:22.000 Alright, yeah.

00:28:23.000 We need to hit the eject button.

00:28:24.000 Alright, do you guys want to...

00:28:25.000 First we'll do an ad, but do you guys want to talk about banning things on the subway?

00:28:30.000 That'll be fun.

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00:29:20.000 Okay, Blake, take us further.

00:29:22.000 All right, so on the right, we're all used to making fun of France because it's France.

00:29:28.000 But, base alert is coming in.

00:29:31.000 France, the French Assembly, has just passed a bill.

00:29:35.000 And it is going to ban repeat incivilities on public transport.

00:29:41.000 And so they're cracking down on uncivil behavior on the nation's buses and trains, which include, as possible examples, listening to music without using headphones, carrying on a phone conversation on speakerphone rather than sticking it up to your ear so people can't hear the other end of it.

00:30:03.000 In fact, they might even...

00:30:05.000 I've seen different interpretations.

00:30:06.000 I think in one version they're even suggesting it could just ban having a phone conversation if you're on the train rather than on a platform or something.

00:30:16.000 Also, they're going to ban putting your feet onto the seat opposite you when you have a four-pack like that.

00:30:23.000 And they're also going to ban handing out tracks to people on the subway platform, like the Jehovah's Witnesses manuals and stuff.

00:30:31.000 And so France is cracking down on annoying behavior on the train. 0.74

00:30:38.000 So, do we have strong thoughts about this, everybody?

00:30:41.000 Does America need the authoritarian crackdown on people listening to music without headphones?

00:30:47.000 And why is the answer yes?

00:30:50.000 I have thoughts.

00:30:52.000 Charlie, you have thoughts.

00:30:53.000 Yeah, Andrew, you go first.

00:30:54.000 No, I want to hear the argument as to why the government should be involved in this.

00:30:59.000 Okay, so...

00:31:00.000 I'm not saying that the government should be involved in it, which public transport makes it a bigger issue, right?

00:31:07.000 But I will tell you that I am very in favor of getting rid of, like, people listening to speakers or, you know, movies without headphones on planes, which is a private company.

00:31:18.000 So I have run into this a lot, where people just start talking on phones and they start playing clips from social media and I'll be sitting right next to them and I'm just like, what's happening?

00:31:29.000 Were you raised in a barn?

00:31:30.000 I find this completely rude.

00:31:32.000 I don't know why this is something that needs to be even discussed.

00:31:35.000 You should know better.

00:31:36.000 You're, you know, a grown adult that is apparently capable enough to buy a plane ticket.

00:31:42.000 Please turn that off.

00:31:43.000 Put some headphones in.

00:31:44.000 Whatever you gotta do.

00:31:45.000 So I'm pro-direction.

00:31:48.000 And by the way...

00:31:49.000 As modern conservatives, we are in favor of using government power when it suits the common good.

00:31:56.000 I think sometimes we can get ourselves caught in an ideological trap about freedom.

00:32:01.000 It's just like all freedom is good.

00:32:02.000 Well, I don't want to put poison in my hamburgers at McDonald's.

00:32:06.000 So I don't know.

00:32:07.000 There is a role for this.

00:32:09.000 I don't know that I have an answer as far as public transport, but I will say at the very minimum...

00:32:15.000 It is extraordinarily rude, and these people deserve to be mocked, scorned, and heaped abuse on publicly.

00:32:22.000 So I go for a lot of walks, and I take my kids for walks, especially the more newborn ones, and I never use headphones.

00:32:29.000 I just listen to my audiobooks just straight out of the phone.

00:32:32.000 So should that be regulated if I'm going for a walk on a sidewalk or I'm walking around?

00:32:37.000 First of all, I don't like the headphones.

00:32:38.000 Number two, I think ear pods are actually really dangerous and bad for you.

00:32:42.000 That's a whole separate topic and different issue.

00:32:44.000 But I guess on an airplane, I suppose.

00:32:47.000 But hold on.

00:32:49.000 If you also have headphones in, then how does it affect you if somebody else doesn't have headphones in?

00:32:54.000 So, Blake, what is your argument here?

00:32:57.000 So, I don't know if any of you guys have been regular bus riders.

00:33:02.000 But when I was in...

00:33:03.000 I was in D.C. I would actually take the public bus up to Union Station.

00:33:09.000 I would take it to the Pentagon and then get on the train.

00:33:13.000 And the answer for why it would affect you even if you have headphones is, Charlie, you would be amazed at how loud some people play music or carry on their phone conversations on their phone.

00:33:23.000 So if you really want to be honest, I think this is a real thing.

00:33:28.000 The reason it might be a good idea to actually have a government...

00:33:32.000 To be allowed to crack down on something like that is someone who listens very loudly to music on their phone or on some other device on a bus on a train is actually a probably big red flashing warning sign that they have some antisocial tendency that's going to explode.

00:33:54.000 They're going to stab you.

00:33:56.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:33:58.000 It's sort of...

00:33:59.000 It's like broken windows theory applied to the guy who's going to shove someone in front of a subway train.

00:34:04.000 There are people who will play loud music on a subway, basically, so it's like they're waiting for someone to ask them to turn it down so they can snap at them.

00:34:15.000 Or it's a way of asserting dominance over other people by making things unpleasant for them.

00:34:23.000 For Charlie's case, I think if you're outdoors, if you're walking on the sidewalk...

00:34:27.000 I don't think that matters as much because, I mean, you can have a literal outdoor concert in the park.

00:34:32.000 You can put on a play in the park.

00:34:33.000 And so you listening to an audiobook is hardly as bad as any of those things.

00:34:39.000 So if you're just out on the sidewalk, I think it's fine.

00:34:41.000 But we definitely have a pattern of people being extremely loud in the enclosed space of public transport.

00:34:49.000 And yes, we have video of it.

00:34:50.000 How about...

00:34:51.000 It looks like we have a couple...

00:34:53.000 Watching a movie at full volume on a plane.

00:34:55.000 Let's play 195. Okay, that's outrageous.

00:35:07.000 Alright, you won me over.

00:35:11.000 Yeah, but you know what this is?

00:35:14.000 I think we can pull it down.

00:35:17.000 So loud.

00:35:20.000 So loud.

00:35:23.000 He's just staring back at him.

00:35:25.000 No, it's fine.

00:35:26.000 It's just hilarious.

00:35:29.000 No, it's not fine.

00:35:30.000 Don't wuss out.

00:35:31.000 So here's what this is.

00:35:33.000 And actually, Apple has fixed this.

00:35:34.000 So if you're a couple on a plane, because I've run into this with my wife, where one of us has to put one headphone in, and the other puts the other headphone in, so you can both watch the same thing as you're sitting next to each other on a flight.

00:35:45.000 Now Apple lets you connect two different Bluetooth...

00:35:48.000 Bluetooth headphone devices.

00:35:50.000 It's an innovation that I appreciate.

00:35:54.000 So that I kind of understand, but there's no excuse.

00:35:59.000 But here's what I think.

00:36:00.000 If you've got a 90-10 issue, that 90% of normal Americans would agree that it's extraordinarily rude to watch a phone on full volume in the plane while people are trying to sleep or have conversations or whatever, you should be able to regulate that.

00:36:14.000 I have no problem with that.

00:36:16.000 And here's the thing.

00:36:17.000 If you're not going to do that, if they're free to do that and we don't pass the law, then we should be free to approach that person and if it gets violent, to have no liability on us.

00:36:28.000 No.

00:36:29.000 I think as long as you can walk...

00:36:32.000 In public spaces, then I'm good.

00:36:34.000 I like LucasMP47 who says, Riding the bus, I loved it when people had private phone conversations on speakerphone.

00:36:41.000 I would chime in and make them very uncomfortable.

00:36:45.000 I'm going to tell you, listen, I get so annoyed because when I get on a plane, I like to sleep the entire time.

00:36:53.000 I try to go to sleep before it takes off and wake up when literally the plane's landing.

00:36:58.000 That's the best way to fly because I hate just sitting there amongst myself because I'm a pacer and I need to walk around and talk and do all that stuff.

00:37:07.000 It is so annoying when people are loud in any kind of way.

00:37:11.000 But what about people that smell?

00:37:14.000 I'm telling you, the smell issue...

00:37:18.000 That's worse.

00:37:19.000 It's worse to me.

00:37:20.000 I've been in this situation one time where literally this woman who probably hadn't bathed in it seemed like weeks sat down next to me with a cat that was in a bag that was right next to me. 0.96

00:37:35.000 They literally sat her right next to me and I thought I was going to die.

00:37:40.000 It was like a four hour flight.

00:37:42.000 It was the worst smell I've ever smelled in my entire life.

00:37:45.000 You're stuck.

00:37:47.000 It's like terrorism.

00:37:48.000 It's civic terrorism, not unlike what we've seen here in Maricopa County.

00:37:53.000 So would you say the cat was out of the bag?

00:37:56.000 It was.

00:37:57.000 I couldn't tell if it was the cat or the woman or a combination of both, but I'm telling you, it was like pig pen, like you could almost see it in the air. 0.86

00:38:05.000 And to me, that's just like, and that's the same conversation that they were talking about.

00:38:09.000 People are overweight, they're splitting over, spilling over.

00:38:11.000 We had the other ones with feet, people like putting their bare feet out. 0.61

00:38:15.000 I discovered today.

00:38:17.000 Play the ball.

00:38:18.000 Can we do that as B-roll?

00:38:19.000 The person shaving their feet calluses?

00:38:22.000 Oh, I saw one of those pictures.

00:38:24.000 Oh my...

00:38:25.000 I'm sorry, but you're off the plane and you get handcuffed when we get to the next destination if we're over halfway.

00:38:34.000 Gitmo.

00:38:35.000 That's beyond the pale.

00:38:37.000 That is...

00:38:37.000 You have no common courtesy.

00:38:41.000 That person should be put on a no-fly list.

00:38:43.000 Well, I found out today that there are airlines that if you pull out your bear dogs, they will kick you off.

00:38:51.000 They'll permanently ban you from the airline.

00:38:53.000 I support this.

00:38:54.000 Delta and Spirit.

00:38:56.000 And I actually hate Delta.

00:38:57.000 Spirit will ban you for that?

00:38:58.000 I can't believe it.

00:39:00.000 I can't believe it.

00:39:01.000 Spirit will ban you for anything?

00:39:04.000 Spirit encourages you to fight with people.

00:39:06.000 I'm surprised that they ban you for having to feed out.

00:39:10.000 Charlie, Charlie, I want to check my thought process here with, you know, back with your libertarian-leaning early days.

00:39:19.000 I think that this is completely, this makes complete sense.

00:39:22.000 Like, we are, we do not need to be afraid to use power when we have an overwhelmingly, like, positive 90-10 issue.

00:39:32.000 Yeah, maybe there's some, like, doctrinaire conservative ideas that we're maybe crossing the line here, but, like...

00:39:37.000 This is just common courtesy.

00:39:39.000 We talk about this, like, you know, with bullying, how, like, you know, we argued back and forth whether or not bullying had some upsides because it's become such a feminized, like, weak culture. 0.75

00:39:49.000 Like, I feel like this person needs to be bullied.

00:39:52.000 This person, like, with the shaving their foot on the plane obviously has had a lack of bullying in their life.

00:40:00.000 Got it.

00:40:00.000 Point received.

00:40:01.000 Internalized.

00:40:02.000 Thank you.

00:40:02.000 Got it.

00:40:04.000 The thing about bullying is...

00:40:06.000 If you, when you can bully someone doing something, you're able to do through sheer social sanction.

00:40:13.000 You're able to do something through sheer social sanction instead of needing a law to do it.

00:40:16.000 So it's less punitive than when you need the state to come in.

00:40:20.000 Wait, you were just arguing with me, Blake.

00:40:23.000 I put in the chat like a few weeks ago, I said that part of the reason why society's so screwed up is because we've targeted bullying.

00:40:30.000 No, but people have like a bad warped idea of what a bully is because they watch too many movies.

00:40:34.000 And so they just watch things where they think a bully is like a guy who would just stuff someone in a locker and then they decided that's based and we need more of it.

00:40:43.000 No, no.

00:40:43.000 We need social...

00:40:46.000 Punishment of genuinely bad behavior instead of what we have now, which is social punishment of actually pro-social behavior.

00:40:52.000 Nowadays, you mainly get bullied if you call the cops on someone who...

00:40:56.000 You would get bullied and lose your job if you tried to argue against someone doing that, at least if they fell into one of 18 discrete protected categories on the lib hierarchy.

00:41:07.000 By the way, while we're doing thought crimes related to airports, you know what we really need a jihad against?

00:41:14.000 What's that?

00:41:15.000 People abusing the wheelchairs.

00:41:17.000 Do you guys know about this?

00:41:19.000 So a ton of airports will basically, if you're not mobile or not, you know, limited mobility, they'll basically, they'll provide you a wheelchair and they'll wheel you priority through security and you can get on your own plane early as like a priority access.

00:41:37.000 Okay, hold on.

00:41:38.000 And people abuse the crap out of this and I've seen it.

00:41:41.000 They totally do.

00:41:41.000 Once you start looking for it.

00:41:43.000 You see it everywhere.

00:41:44.000 You will see people wheeled up to the security line.

00:41:47.000 They'll pop up, limber as ever, scamper through, and you'll see a family.

00:41:51.000 You'll see three or four people.

00:41:53.000 You'll see two generations of a family all in the freaking wheelchairs. 1.00

00:41:58.000 No, and every dog you see on the airplane, too, is not like a service dog.

00:42:02.000 It's just somebody who's like, I'm going to call it a service dog, and I got my service license or whatever you have to do, certification.

00:42:10.000 I can't stand that because I... It's all a con because everybody's too...

00:42:15.000 This is why I think we need to bring back bullying and social policing and all the things because there was a time and place where some a-hole tried to bring their dog on a plane that like...

00:42:27.000 The guy would have looked over to the dog and been like, sorry, I'm not going to put up with that.

00:42:33.000 Now, listen, I like dogs as much as the next guy, but it's just gotten out of hand.

00:42:36.000 It's gotten out of hand.

00:42:37.000 Put the dog down in the...

00:42:39.000 Can't they do that?

00:42:40.000 They do that with horses.

00:42:41.000 I know they ship horses overseas, and they have a cargo bin for the horse.

00:42:46.000 You can literally put a horse on a 747. They have a place to put it if you're trying to ship your horse overseas.

00:42:52.000 I think that's what we need to do with dogs most of the time.

00:42:55.000 This whole thing where your dog gets like...

00:42:57.000 Beware, you know, underneath the seat in front of you.

00:43:00.000 It's crazy.

00:43:01.000 Because some of these people bring in, like, Labradors.

00:43:03.000 And I was on one plane where there was a Rottweiler.

00:43:07.000 Luckily, it was not in my three-seat row.

00:43:10.000 It was, like, across the aisle.

00:43:11.000 But there was a Rottweiler down on the bottom of the seat.

00:43:15.000 So, that's my rant.

00:43:17.000 Yeah, no, they have cracked down on that, though.

00:43:19.000 They've really limited, because it got so crazy out of control with so many dogs.

00:43:25.000 Now you can only have certain ones in a certain way, and they have to have way more justification.

00:43:30.000 They can't just have whatever it was.

00:43:31.000 What about on the subway?

00:43:33.000 What about public transit?

00:43:34.000 Do you know this?

00:43:35.000 I haven't taken a subway in long enough that I don't even know.

00:43:39.000 I think it's like a free-for-all on a lot of these.

00:43:42.000 Wait, so hold on.

00:43:43.000 I was distracted.

00:43:45.000 The subways and the trains.

00:43:46.000 The big issue isn't...

00:43:48.000 The subways, I think, are more packed, and I think they have more rules in the big cities.

00:43:54.000 The real issue that most of our listeners probably have to encounter are the useless light rail that they've been putting in all these cities.

00:44:02.000 They have trolleys and light rails that nobody uses except for homeless people.

00:44:05.000 It was really great.

00:44:06.000 They had one in Norfolk, Virginia, where it was only two stops.

00:44:11.000 And it was originally free.

00:44:13.000 And then they had...

00:44:14.000 Some of the campaigners were like, you guys, please add a fee to ride this.

00:44:18.000 Because otherwise, it was just 100%.

00:44:21.000 It was just a roving homeless shelter.

00:44:24.000 No, they just sit on the train.

00:44:27.000 It just goes around the city all day long in most of the cities.

00:44:30.000 And they're just doing drugs, peeing in the corner of the...

00:44:35.000 Like, legit.

00:44:37.000 Like, defecating and peeing on the trains.

00:44:40.000 And, of course, like, they have dogs and animals and, you know, there's all sorts of craziness happening.

00:44:47.000 Fights, people stealing stuff from people.

00:44:49.000 So nobody wants to ride it.

00:44:51.000 So they spend literally, like, tens of millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars installing these things on all the cities.

00:44:58.000 It's such a farce.

00:45:00.000 And nobody actually manages it.

00:45:02.000 It's not managed because nobody rides it and nobody cares.

00:45:05.000 It's terrible.

00:45:07.000 Eric1986 says, we used to have dogs and baggage under the plane.

00:45:11.000 Thank you, Eric1986.

00:45:13.000 That's what I thought.

00:45:14.000 I remember that from movies and stuff.

00:45:17.000 Before we forget it, we have a special question for Charlie if he has any inside information.

00:45:22.000 Ruron donated $10 and asked, when do you think Brent Bozell will be confirmed by the Senate so Carrie Lake can finally be confirmed as director of Voice of America?

00:45:31.000 I don't know if we have any inside lore on that.

00:45:35.000 I definitely know Democrats have decided...

00:45:37.000 Two months?

00:45:38.000 Two months.

00:45:39.000 All right.

00:45:39.000 That's not so bad, but Democrats are definitely going maximal clogging of everything.

00:45:48.000 What do you think the passage rate's going to be now after cash, Charlie?

00:45:57.000 Do you think most are going to fly through?

00:46:00.000 Who do you think is the next big battle?

00:46:01.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:46:03.000 I think there will be a fight for some of these undersecretaries in the Department of Defense.

00:46:08.000 I don't think it'll be a big fight, but...

00:46:10.000 I think that even though they got Hegseth in, there are some people that are against the neoconservative dogma that might be a fight.

00:46:18.000 There's been some rumbling about people like Bridge Colby, who's amazing, by the way, and some of those other ones.

00:46:24.000 So keep an eye on that.

00:46:25.000 They have very important jobs in the Department of Defense.

00:46:28.000 And then Cash should be the really big one, the last big one.

00:46:30.000 And I think he's going to sail through.

00:46:32.000 But Tulsi and Bobby were the big, big, big ones.

00:46:35.000 Tulsi, Bobby, Hegseth were the true changemakers.

00:46:39.000 It's incredible.

00:46:40.000 Charlie, hold on.

00:46:41.000 What do you think the proper solution is for public transit?

00:46:45.000 So I think you agree on the plane, but what do you think about public transit and headphone listening, dogs, all the different ways people can game it?

00:46:56.000 I'm with the French on this.

00:46:58.000 I think they're right.

00:47:00.000 Wow.

00:47:02.000 So if anybody has...

00:47:04.000 Any doubts that Charlie is no longer libertarian-leaning from, like, 2018?

00:47:09.000 Yeah, but it's not a libertarian.

00:47:10.000 Also, it affects other people.

00:47:13.000 Yeah, it's the non-aggression principle, which is you can do whatever you want to do as long as it doesn't harm somebody else.

00:47:19.000 So, definitionally, if you're listening to a movie on a plane, you're harming somebody else.

00:47:23.000 No one's saying you can't listen to the movie.

00:47:24.000 You just have to do it in a way that doesn't impact the livelihood or...

00:47:29.000 The journey, in that case, of the people around you.

00:47:34.000 The true libertarian viewpoint here is, again, create institutions where you don't have to be crammed on top of each other.

00:47:44.000 This is also a reminder with airports and airplanes.

00:47:49.000 Airplanes used to be a lot more spacious.

00:47:51.000 The advent of the consolidation of all the airlines, I believe, has led to more cramped, less luxurious travel.

00:48:04.000 I wish I would have lived in a time period when travel was luxurious.

00:48:08.000 When it was like, you dressed up.

00:48:09.000 I think travel is still luxurious if you are a rich person who pays a lot of money to do it.

00:48:14.000 No, you cannot look at an airline today, like a plane, and see it.

00:48:18.000 There's no one that dresses up intentionally for the flight.

00:48:22.000 And this is the other thing.

00:48:23.000 Well, this goes back to the tattoo thing.

00:48:24.000 People just don't dress up in general.

00:48:26.000 You used to dress up to go outside a lot of the time.

00:48:28.000 You look at a clip of men out in the street in 1925, and they will be much better.

00:48:33.000 Much better dressed than today.

00:48:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:48:35.000 But people like you.

00:48:37.000 It was like a thing to be seen.

00:48:38.000 It was like such a place.

00:48:42.000 And then the airlines treated you so much better, too.

00:48:44.000 I mean, think about all of the stewardesses. 0.98

00:48:47.000 It was like an entire cultural revolution that happened in America.

00:48:52.000 And they've gone so far away from that that I think just the lower quality of our airlines and the consolidation and making money.

00:49:00.000 You know what's an interesting thing?

00:49:02.000 I can't remember if we did a thought crime on this or not, but typically and traditionally, the dogma is that mass deregulation raises the quality.

00:49:12.000 Airlines is the opposite, actually.

00:49:15.000 Ted Kennedy led a mass deregulation crusade of the airlines in the 1980s, and it resulted in worse air travel, more delays, a worse experience.

00:49:29.000 And not even better prices.

00:49:31.000 That's the thing, is that there was kind of an advent of cheaper airfare, and now that window has closed through mass consolidation and mass regulation.

00:49:39.000 And look, that's probably Pan Am, which my grandfather actually helped run Pan Am way back in the day.

00:49:44.000 And look, I mean, that was before Teddy Kennedy decided to just wreck it all.

00:49:51.000 And if you ask anybody over the age of 60, do they look fondly back on how airfare used to be?

00:49:58.000 I mean, just airlines used to be.

00:50:00.000 I mean, it's like they're talking about Narnia.

00:50:04.000 Sorry, Charlie.

00:50:05.000 I'm going to call you on this one.

00:50:07.000 They actually did get cheaper.

00:50:09.000 No, but what Charlie's saying is the prices have come back up because of consolidation.

00:50:13.000 Well, prices, I mean, they go up and down.

00:50:16.000 And also, like, gas has gotten more expensive, of course.

00:50:18.000 So, no, this is a good point, Blake.

00:50:20.000 So, let me ask somebody a question here.

00:50:22.000 So, would you rather pay, let's just say, $700 for a ticket for that experience?

00:50:28.000 Or $300 for the current experience?

00:50:30.000 That's a legitimate question.

00:50:32.000 From LA to New York.

00:50:34.000 I would pay $1,000 to not have some cat on me.

00:50:38.000 How much do you make in a year, Charlie?

00:50:40.000 Foot scrapings.

00:50:42.000 Of course I have the money.

00:50:46.000 I don't spend money on stupid stuff.

00:50:49.000 I'm just saying, even in early days of the career, I would put money towards...

00:50:58.000 Look at this.

00:51:00.000 That's Blake Airlines out there.

00:51:01.000 He's very supportive of this.

00:51:02.000 That's out of control.

00:51:04.000 That is Blake.

00:51:05.000 That's actually a live...

00:51:06.000 That was a video of Blake on his way back from the inauguration.

00:51:11.000 The great achievement of America is that we provided prosperity to all, not to an ennobled few, not to an elite few.

00:51:17.000 We are the country of the Model T. We are the country of the washing machine.

00:51:22.000 Blake, time out.

00:51:24.000 Blake is paid by Spirit Airlines.

00:51:26.000 Confirmed.

00:51:27.000 No, but Charlie's point is really good because the consolidation, the monopolization that came through deregulation, and this is the same with the big banks, has created an inferior product.

00:51:38.000 When you have more airlines, you can have Blake's option.

00:51:42.000 Like, a lot more spirits.

00:51:44.000 And you can have a lot more, you know, Pan Ams.

00:51:47.000 I think the truth is...

00:51:48.000 And we don't have...

00:51:49.000 Now we have all the same airline music.

00:51:51.000 We're going to show up for this because we're going to make it happen.

00:51:53.000 The number one thing that's made air travel worse is not airline deregulation.

00:51:56.000 It's the TSA. That is by far the worst part of flying, is you have to get in your cattle car line to go through security.

00:52:03.000 I disagree.

00:52:03.000 I mean, it's not the worst part.

00:52:05.000 That sucks.

00:52:06.000 I think I'm being targeted.

00:52:08.000 I think I'm being targeted by the government.

00:52:10.000 Every time I go through, the body scanner says I have something.

00:52:14.000 I'm carrying something in my croft region.

00:52:17.000 Stop doing that.

00:52:17.000 I'm not.

00:52:18.000 I'm never doing it.

00:52:19.000 And they have to pat me down literally with the back of their hand on my croft.

00:52:22.000 Are you trying to humble brag?

00:52:22.000 The metal detectors say there's a huge mass around that region.

00:52:25.000 Charlie's laughing, but he knows.

00:52:27.000 I'm being picked out and bullied by the government.

00:52:31.000 I'm not telling you.

00:52:32.000 Every time I go through.

00:52:33.000 He's been on the Tulsi Gabbard list for a while.

00:52:35.000 So, hold on.

00:52:38.000 The safe skies list.

00:52:40.000 Hey, put up B-roll 211. Okay?

00:52:44.000 Like, this...

00:52:44.000 I think that...

00:52:45.000 This is not what we're talking about.

00:52:46.000 No, but Blake, you're wrong.

00:52:48.000 It is not that TSA has made it less luxurious or worse.

00:52:54.000 We've done this to ourselves.

00:52:56.000 And this is a little...

00:52:58.000 Fashion evolution, I think, is key.

00:53:00.000 Like, we used to have some standards.

00:53:02.000 People used to, and now you go on airlines, and it's like you're sitting next to somebody in their frickin' PJs, watching a phone with the speaker on, no headphones, and they smell, and they got wheeled in on a wheelchair that they didn't need.

00:53:14.000 I mean, the whole thing is ridiculous.

00:53:16.000 Like, the whole experience is ridiculous.

00:53:19.000 And so, like, you know, food sucks, and you had an expired Diet Coke.

00:53:25.000 And you get coffee that is indistinguishable from jet fuel, and you might get peanuts.

00:53:31.000 And, like, my favorite, I mean, again, I have millions of miles of flying, right?

00:53:35.000 Million mile club in America, two million miles in America, a million with United, a million with Delta.

00:53:39.000 And I always loved when I was flying American where they would act as if, Mr. Kirk, thank you so much for being concierge key and for being a two million mile flyer.

00:53:47.000 Would you like a cheese tray?

00:53:48.000 Yeah.

00:53:49.000 Yes, thank you.

00:53:50.000 Very much appreciated.

00:53:51.000 I actually would cherish the cheese tray.

00:53:54.000 Yes.

00:53:55.000 Because in this sea of scum, I would have a slice of cheddar cheese.

00:54:01.000 Do you have the tray in your home?

00:54:03.000 Savor.

00:54:05.000 Savor, not save.

00:54:06.000 Savor.

00:54:08.000 And then I would get my Jet Fuel coffee.

00:54:11.000 My Jet Fuel coffee.

00:54:12.000 And I thought that was the greatest thing ever.

00:54:15.000 And then I look at this Pan Am experience.

00:54:19.000 Grow back up.

00:54:20.000 We've been propagandized to believe.

00:54:22.000 I mean, look at this.

00:54:24.000 It's like prison food.

00:54:25.000 Blake thought that this was a bad part of America.

00:54:27.000 No, Charlie's right.

00:54:28.000 It's like prison food.

00:54:29.000 You're like a prisoner on a plane.

00:54:31.000 The crazier part that we haven't even touched on, they can keep you trapped in that plane for like seven hours or something.

00:54:37.000 Like if I've been one time, it was like one time.

00:54:41.000 Some light goes on in the bathroom and you can't get off the...

00:54:44.000 I was on one flight one time.

00:54:47.000 It's only happened to me one time where they had no food on the plane.

00:54:51.000 And something happened.

00:54:52.000 We got stuck on the tarmac for, like, legit seven hours.

00:54:55.000 Like, it was like a seven-hour situation.

00:54:58.000 Trump's got to change that regulation.

00:54:59.000 It's not an act of Congress.

00:55:00.000 They should do maximum three-hour waits.

00:55:03.000 Then you've got to go back to the gate.

00:55:04.000 But to your point, Charlie, like, real food.

00:55:06.000 It's like a prison.

00:55:08.000 Like, if you're stuck on a plane even for four or five hours and they're serving you, like, that dog food that they serve you now, it is terrible.

00:55:14.000 It is terrible.

00:55:15.000 And the other thing is, this is a real thought-crimey thing that we really haven't gotten to.

00:55:19.000 If you travel in foreign countries, they still take pride in the people that they hire.

00:55:26.000 You're just saying that in other countries, they hire hot chicks. 1.00

00:55:28.000 They do.

00:55:29.000 All the flight attendants.

00:55:30.000 That was the old Pan Am way.

00:55:34.000 That was the old way.

00:55:35.000 No, I like that.

00:55:36.000 I'm okay with that.

00:55:37.000 We can use DEI to re-engine...

00:55:38.000 Getting rid of DEI to re-engineer that.

00:55:40.000 By the way, the average flight attendant could be in Lord of the Rings.

00:55:44.000 Yes, the average flight attendant is definitely...

00:55:49.000 On that Peter Jackson looks Gandalf-y.

00:55:55.000 Some of them are Gandalf-y.

00:55:56.000 Some of them are very Gandalf-y.

00:55:57.000 Long beards and they're women. 1.00

00:56:00.000 Some of these hobbits are still fixing their feet in the aisle. 0.73

00:56:07.000 Here's my advice on how we fix air travel.

00:56:11.000 It's very simple and everyone loves it.

00:56:13.000 You charge 25% more and you get rid of middle seats.

00:56:17.000 And you make the whole cabin first class.

00:56:19.000 Yes.

00:56:20.000 A whole first class airline.

00:56:22.000 Yes.

00:56:23.000 But that's JSX. And it works really well.

00:56:26.000 And JSX is very profitable.

00:56:28.000 And they sell out.

00:56:29.000 And it's all regional out here west.

00:56:31.000 If you'll know JSX, it's amazing.

00:56:32.000 You can fly from Scottsdale to Vegas or Scottsdale to LA. And yeah, you'd have to charge like 33% more.

00:56:39.000 I think there's a huge market for that.

00:56:40.000 And then by the way, if you want to go be treated like a piece of cattle to go fly from Phoenix to Tampa.

00:56:46.000 Vaya con Dios.

00:56:47.000 Fine.

00:56:48.000 Great.

00:56:48.000 You can take the bus.

00:56:50.000 That's what it's become.

00:56:51.000 It's a bus.

00:56:52.000 And it's an insult.

00:56:52.000 Because you fly on these other European airlines or, you know, fly LL and all of a sudden they have, like, pride and they love their airline.

00:57:01.000 It's like a representation.

00:57:02.000 Just think about it.

00:57:03.000 Think about if you're from Europe.

00:57:06.000 Or the Middle East.

00:57:06.000 And you're flying something called American Airlines.

00:57:09.000 American Airlines.

00:57:11.000 So it has the name of our country.

00:57:12.000 By the way, you fly the Emirates.

00:57:14.000 You fly Turkish Airlines.

00:57:17.000 You fly, you know, Qatar Airways.

00:57:19.000 They have, like, pride in their nation.

00:57:21.000 And they're all thin.

00:57:23.000 And they're cut.

00:57:24.000 And they know what's going on.

00:57:25.000 And they love their country.

00:57:26.000 And they're a representation.

00:57:28.000 And you fly American Airlines.

00:57:30.000 And it is the sloppiest, slovenly, nobody cares.

00:57:35.000 The flight attendants won't even look you in the eye.

00:57:37.000 It's like they're annoyed that you're there.

00:57:39.000 I think it's a bad representation of the country.

00:57:41.000 It totally is.

00:57:43.000 And if you've been to the airport in Qatar or Dubai, in Doha...

00:57:51.000 Doha?

00:57:52.000 Yeah, Doha.

00:57:53.000 I'm wondering about Charlie's math here because he was saying you can get JSX for 30% more.

00:57:58.000 I'm looking it up right now.

00:58:00.000 Scottsdale to Dallas, JSX, $360.

00:58:04.000 I can get a flight.

00:58:05.000 I could go up to Phoenix Sky Harbor and I could fly.

00:58:08.000 Round trip to Dallas and back, $55.

00:58:15.000 $55?

00:58:16.000 $55.

00:58:16.000 I'm sorry.

00:58:17.000 I don't care if the experience sucks.

00:58:19.000 Frontier and Spirit.

00:58:20.000 What airline?

00:58:21.000 Frontier and Spirit.

00:58:22.000 Oh, hold on.

00:58:23.000 That's not an airline.

00:58:24.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:58:25.000 That's Amtrak in the air.

00:58:27.000 Charlie, if you don't think it's amazing...

00:58:31.000 If you're flying Spirit, you might leave that week.

00:58:34.000 Charlie, if you don't think it's amazing that I can get into an aluminum tube, accelerate it to 700 miles an hour, or whatever they go, 500 miles an hour, and go to Dallas and do it all again to come back...

00:58:47.000 For $55?

00:58:50.000 You're dodging Charlie's argument.

00:58:51.000 You are anti-American.

00:58:52.000 No, Charlie's argument.

00:58:53.000 This is what the Wright brothers died for. 0.99

00:58:54.000 He's about American Airlines.

00:58:56.000 Blake doesn't understand.

00:58:57.000 Spirit Airlines charges you for more than one bag.

00:59:01.000 So you only get one carry-on.

00:59:02.000 The second one is another $50.

00:59:04.000 If you have a carry-on bag, it's $100.

00:59:07.000 They charge you for water.

00:59:09.000 How many carry-ons do you need?

00:59:11.000 They charge you for water.

00:59:13.000 Don't get water! 0.64

00:59:15.000 I think they charge you for a backpack.

00:59:17.000 You can't even bring in like...

00:59:18.000 How many plies of toilet paper?

00:59:21.000 You can't spare a square.

00:59:23.000 No, they charge you for everything.

00:59:25.000 You can't spare a square.

00:59:26.000 And by the way, the clientele of Spirit Airlines...

00:59:29.000 Is middle class?

00:59:30.000 I was straight up molested on Spirit Airlines.

00:59:34.000 No.

00:59:35.000 I'm telling you, this is back in the early days of Turning Point.

00:59:42.000 Charlie remembers this.

00:59:43.000 We would book everybody on Spirit.

00:59:45.000 We were cost-saving all the time until we realized how unsafe it was probably on that flight.

00:59:50.000 I got on this flight.

00:59:51.000 It was like a midnight flight to Chicago.

00:59:55.000 I got on this flight.

00:59:57.000 I'm in middle seat.

00:59:58.000 This woman sits down next to me who's drunker than any drunk person I've ever seen on an airline. 1.00

01:00:04.000 She should not have been flying.

01:00:05.000 They should not have let her on the plane.

01:00:07.000 Somehow gets on the plane.

01:00:09.000 I'm in a jacket because you can't check anything, right?

01:00:12.000 Because it's spirit.

01:00:13.000 So I'm literally wearing like a winter coat to Chicago.

01:00:16.000 I wake up and this woman has her arms wrapped around me. 0.85

01:00:21.000 And like cuddling me the entire place.

01:00:23.000 And now you're married?

01:00:24.000 I was married at the time.

01:00:26.000 I woke up and I had to push her off me. 0.97

01:00:28.000 This was like Spirit.

01:00:29.000 She's like, ah.

01:00:31.000 This is the type of ride that you have to selectively choose on Spirit.

01:00:36.000 Charlie's point about American Airlines is that there's a representation issue that we have here.

01:00:40.000 And it's not just American.

01:00:41.000 It's all the big airlines.

01:00:43.000 And we have no standards whatsoever.

01:00:45.000 and you go from riding you know the beautiful airport in qatar in doha that's literally like backlit marble counters when they check your passport to america and it's like literally they like give you the bird when you walk on and like put out a cigarette that is Why are you here?

01:01:07.000 First class, like, they're still pretty ground.

01:01:09.000 Yeah, but you're not stuck in one place seated the whole time.

01:01:13.000 Listen, I have not heard an idea like this much in a long time.

01:01:17.000 We need to make American air travel great again.

01:01:20.000 All right?

01:01:21.000 None of it, like, there's got to be some, we've got to brain this whole industry in.

01:01:25.000 And by the way...

01:01:26.000 The amount of flights that I've flown in the last year that have been delayed because of mechanical failure or because of some light went on and they've got to process the paperwork and they've got to bring so-and-so in from this other outside hangar, and then it's like two and a half hours later, you're sitting there waiting for the flight to take off, and you don't even know if it's going to take off, and you're like wrestling with do I try and book on another airline?

01:01:51.000 I'm sick of this.

01:01:53.000 We've got to have some standards here, and Charlie's absolutely right.

01:01:56.000 This needs to be remedied.

01:02:00.000 I think Trump would get behind this, Charlie.

01:02:02.000 I think Trump would totally agree with all of these.

01:02:06.000 I hope so, too, because I think he gets it.

01:02:08.000 He's the guy who's saying our airports need to be a better representation.

01:02:12.000 He owned an airline.

01:02:13.000 He had Trump air for a while.

01:02:16.000 He literally had Trump air.

01:02:18.000 But to your point...

01:02:19.000 I mean, the most recent foreign flight I think I took was on Korean Air.

01:02:24.000 And these women were, like, on top of it. 1.00

01:02:26.000 They were making sure you had everything you needed, when you needed it.

01:02:29.000 I mean, it was a little bit robotic, but it was impressive.

01:02:32.000 And American Airlines or Delta or whatever's flying abroad, we need to be better representations of the American culture.

01:02:39.000 Well, that's the problem, too, is everyone internationally already thinks we're slobs and disgusting, and then they fly on United or American, and then they're like, oh yeah, this is exactly what I expect.

01:02:53.000 And I always feel that way, too.

01:02:54.000 I'm always kind of embarrassed when I get to an American airport after international travel, because I'm like, if I showed up here, if I spent all that money to come to California in my head...

01:03:06.000 And I show up to LAX, which is literally a third world country. 0.93

01:03:10.000 It's basically like going to...

01:03:12.000 It's a disgusting thing.

01:03:14.000 Oh, yeah.

01:03:15.000 I'll never forget one of the funniest moments of my life was Charlie Kirk at...

01:03:21.000 LAX. We had a crazy Uber situation, and we got hijacked at an Uber.

01:03:28.000 It was crazy.

01:03:29.000 But it's like a third-world country.

01:03:31.000 I'm embarrassed that we have these awful airlines.

01:03:35.000 We show up.

01:03:36.000 The airports are awful.

01:03:37.000 It's horribly run.

01:03:39.000 And then you step outside, like in California, for example, and that's their first impression of America is the ghetto of California, which is disgusting. 0.82

01:03:48.000 We have to fix all of it.

01:03:50.000 And a lot of countries work really hard where it's like your first impression is at the airport.

01:03:55.000 It's on the plane.

01:03:56.000 It's stepping outside of the airport.

01:03:59.000 And if we don't fix that, I mean, it's not going to help.

01:04:03.000 So why not now?

01:04:04.000 You know, this whole renaissance on architecture, why not also focus on air travel?

01:04:08.000 Well, we have to demand change when we have power.

01:04:13.000 And I'm just saying, vibe shift starts with us.

01:04:16.000 I'll never forget, Charlie, you remember when Tucker did this, when he went to Hungary?

01:04:20.000 And he was like, the architecture was so beautiful.

01:04:23.000 And that started this, I would say, kind of renaissance within conservative intellectual circles saying, yeah, you know what, you're right.

01:04:30.000 We need to get our architecture game back on.

01:04:32.000 And I think this is going to filter through where we demand excellence out of our own countrymen and our own industries again.

01:04:39.000 I think it's a good thing.

01:04:40.000 It's a positive conversation.

01:04:41.000 I endorse.

01:04:42.000 Alright, we've got about ten minutes here.

01:04:44.000 Do you want to, Blake, tell us why America's super healthy?

01:04:47.000 What we're going to do is, I think our fun conversation could be, so RFK Jr. got through today.

01:04:54.000 He's now HHS Secretary, so I thought we could discuss what should our actual top priorities be?

01:05:01.000 For making America healthy again, because I thought that could spark a good debate, because I'm always in disagreement with everyone about what our health issues are.

01:05:08.000 And to commemorate RFK getting confirmed, maybe you've seen me waving this Hiroshima carp mug around, I brought in, over the holidays... 1.00

01:05:18.000 The 7-Up Company, whoever makes them.

01:05:20.000 I think they're made by Dr. Pepper.

01:05:21.000 Anyway, they made a Shirley Temple-flavored 7-Up variety.

01:05:27.000 And there is no way that this soda is going to be legal under RFK's regime because I think the second most common ingredient in it is Red 40. So I'm going to crack this one open to celebrate it.

01:05:39.000 It stains everything I put it in.

01:05:41.000 Wait, Red 40's in that?

01:05:42.000 Red something.

01:05:43.000 Let me see.

01:05:44.000 I just bought that.

01:05:46.000 This last week for the Super Bowl for my kids.

01:05:48.000 Red 40 is all over this.

01:05:50.000 It's going to stain the crap out of this mug.

01:05:52.000 It's great.

01:05:53.000 Strong recommend.

01:05:56.000 How is this different than you being a crackhead?

01:06:00.000 You're putting poison into your body.

01:06:04.000 I guess you're for legalizing all drugs for kids.

01:06:10.000 It's great stuff.

01:06:11.000 It's very delicious.

01:06:12.000 I recommend it.

01:06:13.000 I was pulling up all the Red 40. And this is the thing.

01:06:17.000 So, RFK has to...

01:06:19.000 This is the scalp that RFK has to get in the first month in order to be successful is Red 40. I really believe that.

01:06:29.000 If he knocks out Red 40... 0.59

01:06:31.000 Didn't we already do that?

01:06:32.000 What?

01:06:33.000 Hold on.

01:06:34.000 Didn't we already do something with Red 40?

01:06:36.000 I don't think it's...

01:06:36.000 No, I think we just talked about it.

01:06:38.000 Biden did something.

01:06:39.000 Yeah, at the end of Biden's term, he tried to, like, take it.

01:06:43.000 So, wait.

01:06:44.000 Now we have to protect?

01:06:45.000 Red 40. He's drinking it right now.

01:06:48.000 Literally, he went and just got that 7-Up, and he's literally drinking it.

01:06:51.000 Red 40 is still around.

01:06:52.000 Red 40 is all over this one.

01:06:54.000 Red 40, asthma, allergies, cancer, brain damage, attention deficit, hyperactivity, it's all been linked.

01:07:03.000 Red 40 is probably the base.

01:07:05.000 But if RFK actually gets this thing done...

01:07:09.000 No, I agree, Tyler.

01:07:10.000 So, Blake, why don't you uninterruptedly tell us why America is so sick, so lethargic, so suicidal, so overweight, so anxious, so depressed?

01:07:19.000 You don't think it's any of the Maha stuff.

01:07:21.000 So the burden is on you because the data is objective.

01:07:23.000 All those things are happening.

01:07:25.000 Why?

01:07:26.000 Honestly, if I had to guess, if you were to say, pick one big thing that's like driving huge across-the-board declines in health outcomes.

01:07:36.000 If I had to guess, I think it would turn out to be plastics.

01:07:40.000 I think...

01:07:42.000 That's super Maha! 0.98

01:07:45.000 But it's not nearly as trendy to worry about plastics as it is to worry about...

01:07:49.000 No, that's insanely Maha!

01:07:50.000 No, but the thing about it is Maha is way more obsessed with the vaccines, with the secret cheat codes in the food and all of that.

01:07:59.000 And I actually think the boring answer is the fact that plastic is totally omnipresent in everything.

01:08:05.000 Way more...

01:08:06.000 It's almost despair-inducing, because what are you going to do?

01:08:09.000 Are we going to get rid of plastic?

01:08:10.000 Probably not.

01:08:11.000 We use it for everything.

01:08:13.000 And when you look at plastics, plastics leach into everything.

01:08:18.000 Microplastics get into your bloodstream.

01:08:20.000 And we don't know exactly what it does, but we do know that there is some impact of plastics in your blood on certain hormonal processes.

01:08:30.000 So over time, it's screwing up some of our hormones.

01:08:33.000 And the effects of...

01:08:35.000 Plastic stuff are epigenetic.

01:08:36.000 They actually basically alter your gene expression in your body.

01:08:40.000 And that can stack one generation after another.

01:08:44.000 So you get 10% messed up by the plastics.

01:08:47.000 That 10% is inherited by your kids.

01:08:49.000 You get another 10%.

01:08:50.000 And that could easily explain why so many things we see are accelerating.

01:08:57.000 They're continuing over time.

01:08:59.000 The reason I would always criticize people who say...

01:09:01.000 I totally agree with that.

01:09:04.000 A lot of the stuff that people blame on causing autism, for example, it doesn't necessarily make sense because it should be like a light switch where we did this and then it doubled overnight.

01:09:13.000 Whereas stuff like allergies, stuff like autism, it's that it's just going up every single year on a pretty linear basis.

01:09:20.000 And for something like that to be happening, I think you need some sort of constant environmental factor that's shoving itself in.

01:09:28.000 And so it's probably not like seed oils where it's just...

01:09:32.000 Or, you know, this or that shot that people have decided is to blame.

01:09:36.000 So, I think it's pretty interesting.

01:09:39.000 I think the best use of RFK is if we were to just go all out on let's fund as much study of this as we possibly can.

01:09:48.000 Let's produce as much science as we possibly can.

01:09:51.000 As opposed to what I think a lot of people are tempted to do where they basically want to impulsively ban certain things or People want money for this or that thing.

01:10:03.000 There are people who are going to want to use Maha to just mean you can use Medicare or Medicaid to pay for homeopathic medicine.

01:10:10.000 I think that would be a mistake.

01:10:12.000 I don't think we should use taxpayer dollars to buy flavored water for people, but it could happen.

01:10:18.000 I am a big homeopathy, but I think you should pay for it yourself.

01:10:21.000 I'm a believer that there's a lot more in the natural world that could help you than drugs.

01:10:25.000 But Blake, one of the...

01:10:27.000 The guiding principles of Maha is that there is an invisible environmental toxin that is doing something we don't quite know what.

01:10:36.000 So you're kind of in the thesis then with the plastic thing.

01:10:38.000 I'm surprised.

01:10:39.000 You're kind of within the genre that there is an invisible force that is doing something to us.

01:10:48.000 We don't quite know what, but we have to figure out what that is.

01:10:51.000 That is kind of the core premise of Maha.

01:10:54.000 Yeah, I'm not 100% alien to it.

01:10:57.000 There's kind of...

01:10:58.000 What I always worry about is there's a line that is attributed to G.K. Chesterton.

01:11:04.000 He didn't literally say it, but we'll get behind it.

01:11:06.000 Where it's like, an atheist isn't someone who believes in nothing.

01:11:10.000 It's a person who believes in anything.

01:11:12.000 Once you become an atheist, you'll just believe in anything. 0.99

01:11:14.000 And I worry that that is something that can happen with the health stuff in general.

01:11:20.000 It's like...

01:11:21.000 COVID happened.

01:11:22.000 It was really disgraceful.

01:11:23.000 All the health experts acquitted themselves very badly for the most part.

01:11:28.000 And some people have reacted to that by going, they lied to us about that, so they're lying about everything, and I don't trust the doctors.

01:11:36.000 The only person I can trust is, you know, this weird guy I found on the internet, and all of that.

01:11:44.000 I would encourage people to be more skeptical of that than they often are because I think it can lead to unfortunate outcomes.

01:11:52.000 But I do think it's very real.

01:11:53.000 People are right to look at the way things are and say, this isn't normal.

01:11:59.000 Like, kids...

01:12:00.000 They actually are not way less active today than they were 20 years ago, yet they are fatter than they were 20 years ago.

01:12:07.000 They are more depressed than they were 20 years ago.

01:12:09.000 They are exhibiting weird medical problems.

01:12:13.000 We were looking at that article just today that the rate of kind of precocious cancers, people getting cancer under 50 years old, went way, way up between 1990 and 2019. And if you're looking, what's the obvious change that happens between 1990 and 2019?

01:12:30.000 I'm not sure there is one, and people are just freaking out about it, and I think they're right to do that, but I think the correct focus should be increase our level of knowledge as much as possible, as opposed to playing whack-a-mole where we decide, oh, actually, Red 40 is the thing that's going to kill all of us, so ban it immediately.

01:12:49.000 I mean, if they want to, I'm sure they will, but I don't think it's going to be the kill shot that makes us all healthy.

01:12:55.000 I got a dash.

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01:12:58.000 Thank you guys.

01:12:58.000 Wonderful episode.

01:12:59.000 One of the best ones we've had in recent memory.

01:13:01.000 Till next week, keep on committing thought crimes.

01:13:04.000 Talk to you soon.

01:13:04.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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01:13:08.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - February 15, 2025

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 73 — Does Flying Stink Now? MAHA Day 1? LOTR = Gay?

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